From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Thu Dec 1 03:27:10 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:27:10 -0200 Subject: Fedora Message-ID: <438E6D8E.5070306@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am pledging myself to promote the Fedora in Brazil. I made a proposal of participation of the fedora project in FISL 7 (http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/). I considered a lecture, a meeting of users and one stand for distribution of cds, dvds, folders and etc. - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDjm2O8arYxsJpZ0URAk17AJ9MGw8oglAoEYsPGT5aRdo470LCAQCfSbU8 NJcpBhZOag7OOdNlAHvvYXM= =TcIM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Dec 1 15:48:38 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:48:38 -0500 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <20051127201636.GA31168@jadzia.bu.edu> <438A1B1B.4040002@prodigy.net.mx> <438A9575.4070004@redhat.com> <438AA8C4.3060308@prodigy.net.mx> <1133193962.2833.29.camel@yoda.loki.me> <438BA17C.90800@prodigy.net.mx> <438BA504.3030806@prodigy.net.mx> <20051129015926.GA11209@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <438F1B56.9010802@prodigy.net.mx> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >Yeah. Clarifying the position of Fedora Extras is a clear goal. > >I'd like to be able to say: > >Any distribution of FC + any strict subset of Extras == official Fedora > >Any distribution of FC + other stuff (maybe + signed agreement, depending) >== based on Fedora > >--g > >_____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > >On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:47:00PM -0500, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> >> >>>Yes, this kinda brakes the "keep it simple" objective... In any case, >>>from what I gather even delivering Fedora Extras packages can be >>>considered non standard. >>> >>> >>If that's the case now, that *must* be changed in the clarified/additional >>rules being worked on. >> >>-- >>Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org >>Boston University Linux ------> >> >>-- >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> That is what I've been trying to figure out... 'cause, from both the guidelines and the discussion here, it would seem that FE packages delivered *pre-installed* is a violation to the default Fedora installation, as these packages are not part of Core and, as such, not entirely delivered with the CD/DVD media the customer might receive... However, the repository configured inside the default install, could that be considered as equal as to receiving the installation media, as the install media for such packages *is* yum? From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Dec 1 17:03:23 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:03:23 -0800 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <438F1B56.9010802@prodigy.net.mx> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <20051127201636.GA31168@jadzia.bu.edu> <438A1B1B.4040002@prodigy.net.mx> <438A9575.4070004@redhat.com> <438AA8C4.3060308@prodigy.net.mx> <1133193962.2833.29.camel@yoda.loki.me> <438BA17C.90800@prodigy.net.mx> <438BA504.3030806@prodigy.net.mx> <20051129015926.GA11209@jadzia.bu.edu> <438F1B56.9010802@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1133456603.22074.51.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 10:48 -0500, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > That is what I've been trying to figure out... 'cause, from both the > guidelines and the discussion here, it would seem that FE packages > delivered *pre-installed* is a violation to the default Fedora > installation, as these packages are not part of Core and, as such, not > entirely delivered with the CD/DVD media the customer might receive... > However, the repository configured inside the default install, could > that be considered as equal as to receiving the installation media, as > the install media for such packages *is* yum? This is one of the things I'll be considering when we draft the usage guideline. Until such time, there aren't any answers ): -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From gdk at redhat.com Fri Dec 2 18:40:46 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mailing lists, redux Message-ID: OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to start them up. We've got the following options to consider: 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them created relatively quickly. 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing lists @redhat.com waiting on the burner. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From tchung at fedoranews.org Fri Dec 2 18:57:09 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:57:09 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. > > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > created relatively quickly. > > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. > > Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing lists > @redhat.com waiting on the burner. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan I vote for #2. :) -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 19:05:49 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:05:49 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910512021105w504769d4kb89feb7efab66976@mail.gmail.com> I don't care as long as "authoritative" lists are archived in a centralized place. Can I troll web-archives on multiple servers..yes I can. Do I want to do that? Not if I can avoid it. While I might not be particularly good at it, I do attempt to search relevant list discussions before I jump into a new round of discussion on that issue. I'd hate to see lists go up on unreliable servers without some sort of centralized archiving... so in a year, even if that subproject group imploded I can still troll the archives for discussion references of merit. -jef From paulds at bu.edu Fri Dec 2 19:06:06 2005 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:06:06 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051202190606.GA11544@prozac.horde.com> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:40:46PM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. Just to clarify, do you see an actual problem (current or impending) with the way things are currently done? Or you're just asking if anyone has an opinion on the matter? > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. I don't have strong feelings between options 1 and 2, aside from not making changes without a compelling reason... but I think option 3 is undesirable. If it's an "official" Fedora project mailing list, that should be immediately obvious by the fact of where it's hosted. - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From sgk284 at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 19:07:20 2005 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80512021107x2d757120k3eb2330057a6cfca@mail.gmail.com> I vote for #1. The infatructure is already in place, the overhead is taken care of. I'm a fan of keeping it simple, and not fixing things that aren't broken :) Changing the mailing list infastructure just for nominal reasons seems pointless and will only serve to create more work for others :) Regards, Steve On 12/2/05, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will > work > > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > > start them up. > > > > We've got the following options to consider: > > > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > > created relatively quickly. > > > > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence > from > > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > > > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and > note > > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. > > > > Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing > lists > > @redhat.com waiting on the burner. > > > > --g > > > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > I vote for #2. :) > > -- > Thomas Chung > FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) > "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Dec 2 19:09:05 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:09:05 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133550545.4054.60.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:40 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > created relatively quickly. This seems like the best to me. As you say there is lots of infrastructure, and past has proved that RH can allow non at redhat people administrate the lists. It also ensures the same sort of look/feel of all the lists involved. > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? Seems this would just be a perception thing. There may be cases where software upgrades might happen quicker, but I don't really know if that is a real issue or not. Also it puts a lot of expectation on Seth. I'd want to wait until there is more resources surrounding fedoraproject.org before wholesale cutover. But thats just my opinion. > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. I don't like this idea at all. Decentralized, difficult to aggregate, user non-intuitive, etc... -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Dec 2 19:31:36 2005 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:31:36 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133550545.4054.60.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <1133550545.4054.60.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <1133551896.22112.3.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 11:09 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:40 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > > created relatively quickly. > > This seems like the best to me. As you say there is lots of > infrastructure, and past has proved that RH can allow non at redhat people > administrate the lists. It also ensures the same sort of look/feel of > all the lists involved. I agree. Also, Red Hat Linux spinoffs that are now Fedora spinoffs like K12ltsp have lists hosted at Red Hat. It's quite convenient to have account administration and mailing list archives in the same place for these derivatives. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Dec 3 02:57:30 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:57:30 -0600 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4391099A.9070506@n-man.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. > > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > created relatively quickly. > > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. > > Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing lists > @redhat.com waiting on the burner. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > My first instinct is to vote for #2. I like the long-term goal of the Fedora Project becoming more autonomous and independent -- or at least giving that appearance. I know it would take a great deal of effort to move everything over, and I'm not sure we have the resources to do it at this time. Perhaps when there is more muscle behind fedoraproject.org, we can pull this off. I'm willing to go with #1 in the meantime. Something else that we might hear is that a difficult move is best to do now and get it over with, and I would normally agree, but I'm not convinced that we are really in the best position to pull it off right now. How about we go with #1 right now and, if the demand is present, we review this in 6 months? -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We've got a good infrastructure for getting them >>created relatively quickly. >> >>2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from >>redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from >>redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? >> >>3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a >>mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note >>them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. >> >>Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing lists >>@redhat.com waiting on the burner. i vote for 2. - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDkSAt8arYxsJpZ0URAhENAJ9M225WlEDrewVy/Unt8S4Q+UIzjwCgvdSx TXjJmWNC+IbIrq5Ne1DRpuM= =tJ4d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerold at lugd.org Sat Dec 3 07:07:15 2005 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:07:15 +0100 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> Message-ID: <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > > > >>OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > >>as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > >>start them up. > >> > >>We've got the following options to consider: > >> > >>1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > >>option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > >>big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > >>created relatively quickly. > >> > >>2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > >>redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > >>redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > >> > >>3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > >>mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > >>them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. > >> > >>Let's get some answers, and quick. I've got 3 requests for mailing lists > >>@redhat.com waiting on the burner. also my vote for 2 -- Gerold Kassube _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than independence from > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? I'd continue using @redhat.com, and slowly change to "official" local domains as the needs arise. Eg.: We already have fedora-users-br at redhat.com list for Brazilian users. Hopefully, we'll soon have a registered Fedora NGO to facilitate local operations. When this is done, we could possibly migrate lists to a @projetofedora.org.br (Fedora Project in Brazilian Portuguese) domain. Acting locally under internationally agreed guidelines... Opinions? Best, -- David Barzilay From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 3 08:53:30 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:23:30 +0530 Subject: foss.in - Open Source Conference, Banglore - India In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0511280517y63d8470fk91cf9bd283ee8a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <438A9BC7.70406@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0511280517y63d8470fk91cf9bd283ee8a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43915D0A.70206@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>We will giving out handouts based on >>the talking points. >> >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints >> >> >> > >do you have these handouts on pdf ? >if yes, where can i download it? > Just a copy of the above wiki page with formatting changes. No PDF available. regards Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Dec 3 09:06:16 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:06:16 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 08:07 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > also my vote for 2 Ok guys, this isn't a vote. This is a probe as to why you would want to use one option over another. A blank vote doesn't help. A well thought out reason would help a lot. Why would you want 2, what makes it the better choice over 1 or 3? -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Dec 3 09:08:08 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:08:08 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <4391099A.9070506@n-man.com> References: <4391099A.9070506@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1133600888.25573.59.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 20:57 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > My first instinct is to vote for #2. I like the long-term goal of the > Fedora Project becoming more autonomous and independent -- or at least > giving that appearance. I know it would take a great deal of effort to > move everything over, and I'm not sure we have the resources to do it at > this time. Perhaps when there is more muscle behind fedoraproject.org, > we can pull this off. I'm willing to go with #1 in the meantime. > Something else that we might hear is that a difficult move is best to do > now and get it over with, and I would normally agree, but I'm not > convinced that we are really in the best position to pull it off right > now. How about we go with #1 right now and, if the demand is present, > we review this in 6 months? My question on this is why wouldn't RH be allowed to donate this service? Why is it viewed to be 'closed' or at least not 'open' if RH helps out? RH is some how excluded from contributing because it is a commercial corporation? Just curious. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 3 09:09:13 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:39:13 +0530 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <439160B9.10004@redhat.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 08:07 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > >>also my vote for 2 >> >> > >Ok guys, this isn't a vote. This is a probe as to why you would want to >use one option over another. A blank vote doesn't help. A well thought >out reason would help a lot. > >Why would you want 2, what makes it the better choice over 1 or 3? > > > Perception is a huge factor in favor of it. Even when we let non @redhat.com community people to administrate mailing lists, this is not very visible. Adequate infrastructure and people behind fedoraproject.org is important to ensure it. The cons are changing what already works for no "real" advantage. regards Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Dec 3 09:16:25 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:16:25 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <439160B9.10004@redhat.com> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439160B9.10004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1133601385.25573.61.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 14:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Perception is a huge factor in favor of it. Even when we let non > @redhat.com community people to administrate mailing lists, this is not > very visible. Adequate infrastructure and people behind > fedoraproject.org is important to ensure it. The cons are changing what > already works for no "real" advantage. Is the perception that it ends in a redhat.com address? What if it were lists.fedoraproject.org or something similar, but still ran on RH's hardware? Just playing Devil's Advocate (: -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Dec 3 09:37:37 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:37:37 -0600 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133601385.25573.61.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439160B9.10004@redhat.com> <1133601385.25573.61.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <43916761.5070406@n-man.com> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 14:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Perception is a huge factor in favor of it. Even when we let non >> @redhat.com community people to administrate mailing lists, this is not >> very visible. Adequate infrastructure and people behind >> fedoraproject.org is important to ensure it. The cons are changing what >> already works for no "real" advantage. >> > > Is the perception that it ends in a redhat.com address? What if it were > lists.fedoraproject.org or something similar, but still ran on RH's > hardware? Just playing Devil's Advocate (: > > In my eyes, it doesn't matter if it is running on Duke, Red Hat, or even Microsoft hardware, as long as it remains operational. We should be able to make it work on Red Hat hardware without needing to use a sub-domain. My concern isn't with who's maintaining it, but having the @fedoraproject.org name improves perception quite a bit. I also wouldn't complain if we did use a sub-domain, if that would help. Having the distinguishing name has advantages that span from helping dissolve the image of Fedora as a patsy for Red Hat to just providing a little extra pride for the community. If we do #2 on #1 hardware, I think that would be a great solution. :-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 3 09:42:12 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:12:12 +0530 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133601385.25573.61.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <20051202185624.M56383@fedoranews.org> <4391202D.2030103@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1133593635.2862.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133600776.25573.56.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439160B9.10004@redhat.com> <1133601385.25573.61.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <43916874.7070906@redhat.com> Hi >Is the perception that it ends in a redhat.com address? What if it were >lists.fedoraproject.org or something similar, but still ran on RH's >hardware? Just playing Devil's Advocate (: > > > Red Hat HW or bandwidth is just fine because it has low visibility compared to a domain name unless it highly advertised. How many know the GNOME infrastructure that is provided by Red Hat for example? . In other words Red Hat can continue to donate whatever resources it wants to while changing the perception drastically by moving the lists to fedoraproject.org. Community members external to Red Hat already administrate several fedora lists and creating new lists is a quick process so it doesnt really change anything but perception and is a probably a lot of work involved in moving lists around while also having to avoid the potential pitfall of not having enough administrators behind it. So what is the actual work involved if we decide to move the lists? Who are the people with administrator access in fedoraproject.org? Also who is going to own it in the future? The foundation would the logical choice. regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 12:16:01 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:16:01 +0000 Subject: foss.in - Open Source Conference, Banglore - India In-Reply-To: <43915D0A.70206@redhat.com> References: <438A9BC7.70406@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0511280517y63d8470fk91cf9bd283ee8a34@mail.gmail.com> <43915D0A.70206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512030416nd0b7e2ew654f881f6053341@mail.gmail.com> on OOo presentations? if not, i will try to make a pdf and a OOo presentation for it. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 3 12:24:41 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:54:41 +0530 Subject: foss.in - Open Source Conference, Banglore - India In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0512030416nd0b7e2ew654f881f6053341@mail.gmail.com> References: <438A9BC7.70406@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0511280517y63d8470fk91cf9bd283ee8a34@mail.gmail.com> <43915D0A.70206@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0512030416nd0b7e2ew654f881f6053341@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43918E89.4030401@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >on OOo presentations? >if not, i will try to make a pdf and a OOo presentation for it. > > Tejas posted the foss.in slides to the list before. Check the archives. If you want to create more go ahead. We need a standard set of presentations on Fedora anyway. Look at the existing ones created by other ambassadors to not duplicate the work. regards Rahul From fedora at leemhuis.info Sat Dec 3 12:44:40 2005 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:44:40 +0100 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133613880.4211.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 02.12.2005, 13:40 -0500 schrieb Greg DeKoenigsberg: > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > created relatively quickly. > > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > 3. Have mailing lists anywhere and everywhere; whoever wants to set up a > mailing list can set up a mailing list, and we can link them all and note > them as "authoritative project list" or not as we see fit. I'd vote for proposal 1 but can also live with solution 2 -- the fedoraproject.org domain name in the list name is nice, but not worth moving everything (I'm probably not the only one that has to adjust a lot of procmails rules after such a move -- yes, thats easy, but still annoying). I don't like 3. But while we are talking about maillinglists I'd like two propose two other things: - Remove the stupid "Repy-To" munging that currently happens on a lot of lists. It seems to confuse a lot of people. See also: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html - I think we should add "devel" to the name of these lists: fedora-desktop-list fedora-tools-list fedora-config-list No, this is not important, but it avoids confusion for the users. With "devel" in the name it's obvious that this is for devel discussions. Yes, there will still be people that don't get it, but that will always happen. These lists are quite in any case -- do we still need them? Just my 2 cent. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 3 12:51:00 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:21:00 +0530 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133613880.4211.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133613880.4211.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <439194B4.2040000@redhat.com> Hi >- I think we should add "devel" to the name of these lists: >fedora-desktop-list >fedora-tools-list >fedora-config-list > >No, this is not important, but it avoids confusion for the users. With >"devel" in the name it's obvious that this is for devel discussions. >Yes, there will still be people that don't get it, but that will always >happen. > >These lists are quite in any case -- do we still need them? > > We definitely need to the desktop list. We should be increasing the visibility with many of the desktop related changes that goes into every release. What could be possibly done with it is the following * Community contests and perhaps bounties on desktop themes and wallpapers with the desktop team * Bring more visibility with theming, menus and other changes related to the desktop that happens in every release. * Usability - How about inviting users to post screencasts recording from experiences from non technical users? . See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting Other ideas? regards Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Mon Dec 5 08:15:56 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:15:56 -0800 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133600888.25573.59.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <4391099A.9070506@n-man.com> <1133600888.25573.59.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <1133770556.14239.104.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:08 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 20:57 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > My first instinct is to vote for #2. I like the long-term goal of the > > Fedora Project becoming more autonomous and independent -- or at least > > giving that appearance. I know it would take a great deal of effort to > > move everything over, and I'm not sure we have the resources to do it at > > this time. Perhaps when there is more muscle behind fedoraproject.org, > > we can pull this off. I'm willing to go with #1 in the meantime. > > Something else that we might hear is that a difficult move is best to do > > now and get it over with, and I would normally agree, but I'm not > > convinced that we are really in the best position to pull it off right > > now. How about we go with #1 right now and, if the demand is present, > > we review this in 6 months? > > My question on this is why wouldn't RH be allowed to donate this > service? Why is it viewed to be 'closed' or at least not 'open' if RH > helps out? RH is some how excluded from contributing because it is a > commercial corporation? I don't think it matters who is providing the back-end services. Actually, I appreciate the quality of the Red Hat service in this area. Remaining @ redhat.com for formal Fedora Web services is like having a Geocities website. OK, that's a little harsh. It just makes it appear that Fedora is forever a stepchild of Red Hat; has to live in the same house, but different last name. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mattfrye at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 13:29:05 2005 From: mattfrye at gmail.com (Matt Frye) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:29:05 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133550545.4054.60.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <1133550545.4054.60.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <7f1eacdd0512050529g4949f200we0a0db766ff800fe@mail.gmail.com> > > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > Seems this would just be a perception thing. I agree with this statement. Provided that we aren't saddling fp.o with a burden it can't handle, and provided the resources are available to move and maintain this lists, I would vote for option 2. What is independence from RH worth? From the point of view of trying to "sell" Fedora to the F/OSS community, millions. As a writer of Linux news, I would label this a "significant event" in the development of the Fedora community. Matt Frye From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Dec 5 20:13:13 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:13:13 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists, redux In-Reply-To: <1133770556.14239.104.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4391099A.9070506@n-man.com> <1133600888.25573.59.camel@yoda.loki.me> <1133770556.14239.104.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1133813593.2746.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:15 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > Remaining @ redhat.com for formal Fedora Web services is like having a > Geocities website. OK, that's a little harsh. It just makes it appear > that Fedora is forever a stepchild of Red Hat; has to live in the same > house, but different last name. > hah, I can appreciate that. So Greg, can we amend the options to have one more? RH infrastructure using a fedoraproject.org domain or subdomain? -- jes From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Mon Dec 5 21:47:33 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:47:33 -0200 Subject: FEDORA DVDs Message-ID: <4394B575.8090005@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I received 400 DVDs sent by Alex. I initiated the distribution in the Granbery Methodist College where I studied, distributing 100 dvds for students of the computer science. - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDlLV18arYxsJpZ0URAjrAAJ9JjbWqH8Zd6A2skBPULN8yb/+kqQCaAhz+ TsjEI4llWK0hlXSWOLsG9iE= =a8BU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:31:10 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:31:10 +0100 Subject: Meeting Between European Ambassadors (MBEA) Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512051431t24286e55pbba2ddd2f8538c1e@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, Im launching the first Meeting Between European Ambassadors (MBEA) next tuesday. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/MBEA It is NOT intended to replace the global meeting on each thursday. But only to give the opportunity to European Ambassadors know each other and be aware of the upcoming events. Just like a team. It would be also an opportunity for some EU ambassadors (or any other amba) to catch up missed meetings on thursday. I personnally would suggest that the MBEA be held once a month or twice a month. Any EU ambassador can take the respondibility hold a meeting at any time. By default, ive chosen next tuesday http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=13&year=2005&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 If any EU amba is not free or can't be present on the MBEAs, they can request changes. These changes will also depend on the availibility of other EU ambas. This first meeting would be like a small introduction and could last for one hour. Ive create a wiki page to get things moving in an orderly manner. Your participation (Especially EU ambas) can really launch this EU meeting successfully. Do modify the wiki to share maximum revelant information. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/MBEA regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Tue Dec 6 03:53:17 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:53:17 +0100 Subject: Slides Presentations Message-ID: Dear *, dear Chitlesh, dear Rahul, Well, I have created a wiki page in order to regroup all presentations. This is the URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Slides Ok, for the moment it is under construction. Nonetheless, it will be easier for Ambassadors to add, share and retreive them. BR Fred Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:16 PM To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: foss.in - Open Source Conference, Banglore - India on OOo presentations? if not, i will try to make a pdf and a OOo presentation for it. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 08:53:57 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:53:57 +0100 Subject: Slides Presentations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512060053idbfb2ecsaeb86ba0c828315e@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/05, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear *, dear Chitlesh, dear Rahul, > > Well, I have created a wiki page in order to regroup all presentations. > This is the URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Slides > > Ok, for the moment it is under construction. Nonetheless, it will be easier for Ambassadors to add, share and retreive them. great. maybe we can ask for translations :) you can add it among the open issues for the MBEA :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 6 18:49:21 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:19:21 +0530 Subject: Foss.in - Fedora report Message-ID: <4395DD31.6030504@redhat.com> Hi Foss.in was a rather unique combination of world wide speakers on various topics. Alan Cox was a pretty big celebrity and gave a speech on participation and kernel device drivers (quite a crowd puller) . James Morris who gave a couple of speeches on SELinux has blogged about this experiences. http://fedoraproject.org/people/ There are various other interesting aspects on the conference but I will keep this short. From the Fedora perspective, Tejas talk went pretty well and he had his share of fun in the QA session ;-). The following things could be improved * More variety of talks and BOFs on Fedora in different themes * Get a better conference kit including banners, live cds, handouts and other goodies Note to Ambassadors and myself: Speakers need to be acquainted with the driving principles behind Fedora, governance models, various technologies being included in Fedora like SELinux or GFS, whats included in Fedora Core and Extras along with upcoming plans for Fedora and projects like Fedora Directory Server, Xen, System Tap and Frysk. If you are an ambassadors keep a lot of references handy to throw out for inquisitive people in the audience and be prepared to answer various tricky questions. Make sure you mention all the different ways to get involved or contribute. Keep a list of stats like download, number of packages, contributors etc. If you are going to organize a stall or give a speech make sure you prepare a list of all kind of crazy questions and shoot them out to the ambassadors list and get yourself acquainted before get on stage. regards Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Dec 6 18:59:22 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:59:22 -0600 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Didn't know whether to ask this in another thread or not, but here goes all the same. Is there any updates to the guidelines for use by system builders to be able to ship Fedora systems with some Fedora Extras packages from the get go? Also related, and I don't want to be a PITA here, what would be the guidelines to have systems be labled as "based on Fedora"? Especially what's the scope of logos and stuff like that when dealing with the "based on" part. I'm especially interested, so we could ship our systems with pre-loaded drivers for nVidia hardware[1]. The driver license allows redistribution, granted the end user agrees to the license. So I've thought a handful of solutions for that[2], but I wonder if the introduction of such slight modifications (or post-install modifications) would render us unable to use the Fedora logo in the menu (for instance) or the GDM greeter screen, as well as other concerns. If what we want to do is plain impossible to do with Fedora, what would you recommend? [1] Despite the fact I don't like nVidia as a company, I'll have to grant them that they're the only [High-End] graphics solutions that work 100% and at full speed in Linux, which cannot be said for ATi and their major speed problems, or about FOSS drivers which lack some functionality due to patent encumberment. [2] I would still have to weight in options here, but one is to have a CD with all the custom, non Extras packages to do some sort of post-installation configuration during first boot. I'll have to gather more information for this, but one option would be to actually have a program similar to system-config-packages with all the optional software to be instlled during post-install configuration. Should a package need a special license agreement (like media players or drivers in this case), at confirmation the license(s) in question would be displayed. If the user does not agree to these, these packages won't be installed, but whatever other packages which fall under the scope of the GPL as Free software will. Problem: How to make a CD that Install Extra CDs during first boot will recognize and launch the [add-on] packages installation program. As part of these a slightly modified version of system-config-display would be included to use the "nvidia" and "fglrx" drivers rather than the "nv" or "radeon" drivers on supported nVidia/ATi graphics hardware. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDld+KXM+XOp70dwoRAjFiAJ0QIDHsyOsXGjTiIP7gE4Bb9FXcfwCeJszs B8c5IsRX2EZJ1YKyOyiLY0I= =jdtp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Dec 6 19:02:16 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:02:16 -0500 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 12:59 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Didn't know whether to ask this in another thread or not, but here > goes all the same. > > Is there any updates to the guidelines for use by system builders to > be able to ship Fedora systems with some Fedora Extras packages from > the get go? I am meeting with Greg tonight to go over this. Hopefully we can come up with a guideline that is reasonable for all parties involved and present to Legal. From that point we can discuss alterations and changes to future revisions of the guideline if necessary. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 6 19:07:00 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:37:00 +0530 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4395E154.80904@redhat.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 12:59 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > >>Didn't know whether to ask this in another thread or not, but here >>goes all the same. >> >>Is there any updates to the guidelines for use by system builders to >>be able to ship Fedora systems with some Fedora Extras packages from >>the get go? >> >> > >I am meeting with Greg tonight to go over this. Hopefully we can come >up with a guideline that is reasonable for all parties involved and >present to Legal. > Can we have the guidelines presented and hashed out here before pushing it to Legal? . Getting revisions in place after getting the original approval is a pain. regards Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 6 19:11:09 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:11:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Logo approval Message-ID: Logo has been approved for use. Further updates soon. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From mattdm at mattdm.org Tue Dec 6 19:21:10 2005 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:21:10 -0500 Subject: Logo approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051206192110.GA14249@jadzia.bu.edu> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 02:11:09PM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Logo has been approved for use. Further updates soon. Cool! -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Dec 6 19:26:32 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:26:32 -0500 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <4395E154.80904@redhat.com> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4395E154.80904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1133897192.4302.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 00:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Can we have the guidelines presented and hashed out here before pushing > it to Legal? . Getting revisions in place after getting the original > approval is a pain. I hope to be able to post something tonight, however I'm only in town until Thursday morning. We need to get in front of Legal some time tomorrow. We'll check for feedback before we go in. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Dec 6 19:28:19 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:28:19 -0600 Subject: Logo approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4395E653.9000708@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Logo has been approved for use. Further updates soon. > > --g Excellent news! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDleZSXM+XOp70dwoRArJRAJ9ZY9Lb+/eLGJSD4gFSOGC04uUdbACbBQkn KVG0/hzwrLE1e5mXaPbVX+w= =hm9w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 6 19:49:57 2005 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:49:57 +0100 Subject: Logo approval In-Reply-To: <4395E653.9000708@prodigy.net.mx> References: <4395E653.9000708@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1133898597.2955.4.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> +1 no more to say at this time :-) Greetz Gerold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Dec 6 19:09:38 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:09:38 -0600 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <4395E1F2.6010203@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 12:59 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> Didn't know whether to ask this in another thread or not, but >> here goes all the same. >> >> Is there any updates to the guidelines for use by system builders >> to be able to ship Fedora systems with some Fedora Extras >> packages from the get go? > > > I am meeting with Greg tonight to go over this. Hopefully we can > come up with a guideline that is reasonable for all parties > involved and present to Legal. From that point we can discuss > alterations and changes to future revisions of the guideline if > necessary. > Thank you very much, I eagerly wait for any results... We've been working like crazy to bring this project into realization from the documentation to schematics for hardware layout and stuff, to these legal aspects. We want to get this right from the start rather than make adjustments later on (which will be pretty much inevitable), but we'd like to be in full compliance from the very start. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDleHyXM+XOp70dwoRAv+AAJ90Lyi5B1QaQluMffDkThmHBTSqeACZAcC2 RlBex5uvyC+k2U+1U7dkpZE= =ypyP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Dec 7 01:44:10 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:44:10 -0500 Subject: Selling systems with Fedora preloaded. In-Reply-To: <1133897192.4302.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <438A12EB.5030501@prodigy.net.mx> <4395DF8A.9040508@prodigy.net.mx> <1133895736.4302.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4395E154.80904@redhat.com> <1133897192.4302.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133919850.2861.1.camel@ender> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:26 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 00:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > Can we have the guidelines presented and hashed out here before pushing > > it to Legal? . Getting revisions in place after getting the original > > approval is a pain. > > I hope to be able to post something tonight, however I'm only in town > until Thursday morning. We need to get in front of Legal some time > tomorrow. We'll check for feedback before we go in. > So I made a mistake. I don't have to be in front of Legal, Greg can take care of that. Greg and I just met face to face as it was quicker to spitball that way. We made a lot of good progress, and he is preparing something for the list. I do believe he'll be posting something tomorrow for discussion before making any proposals. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From luya at jpopmail.com Wed Dec 7 04:24:18 2005 From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:24:18 -0800 Subject: Logo approval Message-ID: <20051207042418.18D1B7B280@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> Excellent. Now where are the svg and the fonts so we can start to create theme around the logo? > Logo has been approved for use. Further updates soon. > >--g -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Wed Dec 7 05:11:26 2005 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:11:26 -0800 Subject: Logo approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133932286.3302.0.camel@tuxhugger> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:11 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Logo has been approved for use. Further updates soon. > > --g Yay! :-D -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gripes are mostly from the effort of an ongoing development process and known issues mentioned in the announcement http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5Test1CommonProblems Some focus on "polish" like themes, mouse cursors and desktop wallpaper will ensure that we get good scores from similar reviews. regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 7 11:09:21 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:39:21 +0530 Subject: Netcraft stats for web servers Message-ID: <4396C2E1.3060207@redhat.com> Hi http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html Red Hat and Fedora are among the top three along with Debian. Interesting stats for everyone. Comments? regards Rahul From gerold at lugd.org Wed Dec 7 17:46:47 2005 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:47 +0100 Subject: Netcraft stats for web servers In-Reply-To: <4396C2E1.3060207@redhat.com> References: <4396C2E1.3060207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1133977607.2880.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> If we would like to watch statistics, we may not forget the statistics at distrowatch (http://www.distrowatch.com) which has a lot of settings which you can set ... The question in that case is: Should we have a look for such statistics? One of my professor at the university told us ever: Never trust a statistic which is not faked by yourself :-) Gerold wrote Rahul Sundaram: > Hi > > http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In other words, people care about and watch such numbers. We need to know what they are and have an interpretation for those numbers, at minimum to stand testament to someone else's story about those numbers. For example, Fedora was not broken out from Red Hat for a long time. Now I wonder, how much of Debian is Ubuntu? I know it's a popular desktop OS, but when it is used as a Web server, does it present itself as straight Debian, in terms of how Netcraft tracks? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 8 06:36:15 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:06:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora Lending libraries Message-ID: <4397D45F.7030505@redhat.com> Hi http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/11838/Open%20Source%20CD%20in%20libraries%20Howto.pdf This could possibly a good model to emulate for Fedora regards Rahul From fedoradesktop at yahoo.co.jp Thu Dec 8 13:38:43 2005 From: fedoradesktop at yahoo.co.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:38:43 +0900 Subject: Netcraft stats for web servers In-Reply-To: <1133985007.8794.111.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4396C2E1.3060207@redhat.com> <1133977607.2880.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133985007.8794.111.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <43983763.8020708@yahoo.co.jp> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 18:46 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > >>If we would like to watch statistics, we may not forget the statistics >>at distrowatch (http://www.distrowatch.com) which has a lot of settings >>which you can set ... >> >>The question in that case is: Should we have a look for such >>statistics? >>One of my professor at the university told us ever: Never trust a >>statistic which is not faked by yourself :-) > > > The reason to watch such statistics might be made as a corollary to your > professor's rule: "Never trust an interpretation of widely available > statistics that is not faked by yourself." > > In other words, people care about and watch such numbers. We need to > know what they are and have an interpretation for those numbers, at > minimum to stand testament to someone else's story about those numbers. > > For example, Fedora was not broken out from Red Hat for a long time. > Now I wonder, how much of Debian is Ubuntu? I know it's a popular > desktop OS, but when it is used as a Web server, does it present itself > as straight Debian, in terms of how Netcraft tracks? I now use ubuntu-server for personal web server and it represent itself as ubuntu and netcraft also recognise it as ubuntu too. I guess not many people use ubuntu for a web server yet. IMO ubuntu-server is pretty good though. > > - Karsten > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Dec 12 17:25:05 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:55:05 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour Message-ID: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> Hi It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? regards Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Mon Dec 12 17:24:47 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: As it happens, I'm already doing some of the voice work for the RHEL versions. I know that Karsten is also keen on this idea. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the > unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core > 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking > for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations > or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? > > regards > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 18:04:20 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:04:20 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910512121004m7f1116d1x59b2392e7563490a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the > unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core > 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking > for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations > or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? Is there a requirement that the tour videos must be produced using tools inside Fedora and will there be a requirement that the tour videos work out of the box on a default Fedora Core install? Assuming the answers to both questions are yes. Is the ximagesrc gstreamer element that allows for display captures that istanbul uses good enough to produce videos worth distributing? There are some performance problems last time a played with it. I wrote the recommended settings section on that page to avoid some of those issues, but the settings are quite limited, you can't encode what I would call a normalish desktop size without running into frame drops. gst-0.8.11 has landed in rawhide recently so I'd have to see if there has been any performance improvements with the ximagesrc element. And what exactly do you plan to do to encode the audio track? The contributed instructions on the wiki for voice encoding rely on applications from outside the Fedora tree. From my understanding this is pretty tricky to do well. -jef From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Dec 12 18:10:04 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:40:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512121004m7f1116d1x59b2392e7563490a@mail.gmail.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <604aa7910512121004m7f1116d1x59b2392e7563490a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439DBCFC.2070508@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On 12/12/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the >>unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core >>5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking >>for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations >>or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? >> >> > >Is there a requirement that the tour videos must be produced using >tools inside Fedora and will there be a requirement that the tour >videos work out of the box on a default Fedora Core install? > > > Yes. We want to use free formats and formats supported by a stock installation of Fedora would be useful but if you are doing say a cast on migration for Windows users then a proprietary format might be acceptable. I would like to hear more opinions on that. >And what exactly do you plan to do to encode the audio track? The >contributed instructions on the wiki for voice encoding rely on >applications from outside the Fedora tree. From my understanding this >is pretty tricky to do well. > > I dont particularly care about the tools being used to produce the screencasts as long as the result is viewable on Fedora. Of course if it can be done using software provided within Fedora itself thats a advantage. The audience is as wide as users not used to computers or people involved with other platforms or a different distribution of Linux. Its not a comparison. Merely a show of what would be interesting in particular but not limited to client users regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 22:53:07 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:53:07 +0100 Subject: Netcraft stats for web servers In-Reply-To: <43983763.8020708@yahoo.co.jp> References: <4396C2E1.3060207@redhat.com> <1133977607.2880.3.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> <1133985007.8794.111.camel@erato.phig.org> <43983763.8020708@yahoo.co.jp> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512121453ma3baad5o626d84b04779ff18@mail.gmail.com> A webhosting company describes why it has chosen Fedora Core. see http://www.hostway.co.uk/virtual/vps_operating_systems.asp -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From barzilay at redhat.com Tue Dec 13 01:24:23 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:24:23 +1000 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1134437063.4315.20.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi All, I loved this idea and, although I am not able to help you on the tech side, I'd like to suggest we think on ways to "localize" this video. Would be great having the capability to create "market-adaptable" videos. Screenshots can be easily customized and voice.... well, why not? It would have an enormous value as a marketing tool for different markets and events. Thanks for listening! Cheers, -- David Barzilay (will soon introduce myself @ the wikisphere) On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 12:24 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > As it happens, I'm already doing some of the voice work for the RHEL > versions. I know that Karsten is also keen on this idea. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi > > > > It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the > > unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core > > 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking > > for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations > > or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? > > > > regards > > Rahul > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From tchung at fedoranews.org Tue Dec 13 01:46:30 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:46:30 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:55:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > Hi > > It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the > unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core > 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking > for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations > or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? > > regards > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list I remember Seth Nickell post some cool videos in Theora format while back. http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots Perhaps, we could ask his assistance. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 13 01:48:47 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:18:47 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> Message-ID: <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> HI >I remember Seth Nickell post some cool videos in Theora format while back. > >http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots > >Perhaps, we could ask his assistance. > > > The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies is already possible through Istanbul. What we really need is for someone or a set of people to coordinate and produce some that demonstrate Fedora to end users. regards Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Dec 13 01:59:46 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:59:46 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies > is already possible through Istanbul. What we really need is for someone > or a set of people to coordinate and produce some that demonstrate > Fedora to end users. Idea here. What if we extend this into a tips/tricks kind of thing as well? Here is my thought, at LWCE and at FUDCons we can have a terminal setup to record these things. We allow users to come up and talk about their favorite tip/trick/feature of Fedora, and allow them to walk through it while we record the actions. Totally user driven demonstrations. We could also use this sort of terminal for users to demonstrate features they are irritated with for much higher quality bug/feature reports. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 13 16:39:36 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:09:36 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies >>is already possible through Istanbul. What we really need is for someone >>or a set of people to coordinate and produce some that demonstrate >>Fedora to end users. >> >> > >Idea here. > >What if we extend this into a tips/tricks kind of thing as well? > >Here is my thought, at LWCE and at FUDCons we can have a terminal setup >to record these things. We allow users to come up and talk about their >favorite tip/trick/feature of Fedora, and allow them to walk through it >while we record the actions. Totally user driven demonstrations. We >could also use this sort of terminal for users to demonstrate features >they are irritated with for much higher quality bug/feature reports. > > > This is a good idea. If we get more of such content we can mix and match to provide the best value. regards Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 13 16:43:10 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:43:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> Message-ID: Fab idea. The questions: 1. How easy will it be to make the initial recording? Can every ambassador be taught a dead-simple process? 2. How do we add voice-overs? Do we keep a separate video and add audio tracks? 3. Where do we coordinate this work -- what infrastructure do we need? Do we upload files to the wiki? Do we put them in CVS? 4. Who does the voice-overs in different languages? 5. What's the final format? 6. Can it all be driven by volunteers? :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: > > >On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > > >>The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies > >>is already possible through Istanbul. What we really need is for someone > >>or a set of people to coordinate and produce some that demonstrate > >>Fedora to end users. > >> > >> > > > >Idea here. > > > >What if we extend this into a tips/tricks kind of thing as well? > > > >Here is my thought, at LWCE and at FUDCons we can have a terminal setup > >to record these things. We allow users to come up and talk about their > >favorite tip/trick/feature of Fedora, and allow them to walk through it > >while we record the actions. Totally user driven demonstrations. We > >could also use this sort of terminal for users to demonstrate features > >they are irritated with for much higher quality bug/feature reports. > > > > > > > This is a good idea. If we get more of such content we can mix and match > to provide the best value. > > regards > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 18:05:36 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:05:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910512131005j303adb35k621be64dcd63ee14@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 1. How easy will it be to make the initial recording? Can every > ambassador be taught a dead-simple process? Its very easy to use istanbul to create a video, the hard question to answer is are the videos going to be high enough quality. I've documented what I think are reasonable settings to use to create consistent videos on the wikipage. > > 2. How do we add voice-overs? Do we keep a separate video and add audio > tracks? rjune documented his best efforts at adding audio tracks on the wikipage. I'll see if I can get him to chime in as to what he things are best practises. My estimation is that the audio is going to be the hard part. The other problem is you really need things to do the audio that aren't available in Fedora Core+Extras to get this done. A policy decision will have to be made to either pull in adio applications which support ogg into Extras or external applications will be required. I don't think its in the best long term interests of the project to require external applications, so we might need to consider pulling in a variant of mplayer which is legal to house in Extras to get this job done. > 3. Where do we coordinate this work -- what infrastructure do we need? Do > we upload files to the wiki? Do we put them in CVS? I don't think there is much in the way of needed infrastructure needed beyond the wiki and applications in Core and Extras. I think we need to agree on system configuration to use as a baseline for videos so videos will be "similar" enough to make a consistent picture. You'd like to avoid things like different menu items across videos for the collection of videos that are meant to be a Core tour. For non-tour one-off topics the desktop state can be allowed to vary a bit. I think though for a "tour" you want it to be somewhat seamless as a single video even if there are individual chapters. > 4. Who does the voice-overs in different languages? shrug.. hopefully native speakers for each language. > 5. What's the final format? theora, is there another reasonable choice that works out of the box? > 6. Can it all be driven by volunteers? :) I don't see why not. Here's how I think it should work initially. Choose a particular "scene" from the tour that you want recorded. Write up english instructions, a script, that can be followed by video creators to "shoot" the scene. Let a couple of people shoot the scene and designate someone, (Rahul!!!!!!) to pick the best video from the contributed ones or edit the script and let people re-shoot. Once a reasonable video is in hand, move on to voice-overs, where people speak a version of the script as an audio track. If this works with one scene Proposal for a test scene: "Updating your system with pup" Scene begins just after gnome login is completed, last user action was interacting with the gdm login screen. Scene ends with the desktop in a state as close to the starting state as possible. -jef From rjune at bravegnuworld.com Tue Dec 13 18:59:36 2005 From: rjune at bravegnuworld.com (Richard June) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:59:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour Message-ID: <439F1A18.3080205@bravegnuworld.com> As Jef said, I've documented adding a voiceover, the hard part about it is getting the audio to sync with the video. Istanbul only records about every third frame or something, so you can't really get great and smooth video. What I did was sit down and write a script for the tutorial, then I recorded the video while speaking the audio to myself. This let me practice the audio, *and* gave me some idea of where I needed to pause, to wait, etc. This usually took two or three tries to get something I was happy with. Once I had a video, I started Audacity(any recorder should work). I recorded the audio track while watching the video, thus I knew the cues for waiting, etc. Again I recorded the track two or three times. then I cut and spliced the three of them together so that audio was smooth and matched video. My results aren't perfect by any stretch, and it took a bit of time to do it, but I was using a 1400Mhz Athlon with 256M ram at the time, and it was a learning experience. Anyway, here's the video, note the artifacts in the video. I think that has to do with the encoding properties and possibly the codec, using a 640x480 screen should result in better quality at the same size or so. here's a link to the video if you're interested. https://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/sudo.ogg From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 14 06:55:20 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:55:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <439FC1D8.50503@nicubunu.ro> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > 3. Where do we coordinate this work -- what infrastructure do we need? Do > we upload files to the wiki? Do we put them in CVS? I would suggest a software developed by CreativeCommons, namely ccHost, but it is made with php and i know php is forbidden for Fedora infrastructure http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CcHost -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Dec 14 17:54:48 2005 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:54:48 -0200 Subject: Brazilian Government adopted Fedora in Desktops Message-ID: <43A05C68.8070201@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Brazilian Government adopted the Fedora Core as standard for Desktops in the Education Ministry. http://www.softwarelivre.gov.br/documentos/palestramec/view - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDoFxoPg3HAC1vlg4RAl7HAJ9fPjX/sdYWv8TVnU8RwPU741XYBwCdGldn U2yHS7UnHGmpE7xBFRHHAtc= =34fp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoranews.org Wed Dec 14 18:08:22 2005 From: tchung at fedoranews.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:08:22 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Brazilian Government adopted Fedora in Desktops In-Reply-To: <43A05C68.8070201@projetofedora.org> References: <43A05C68.8070201@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <20051214180654.M35377@fedoranews.org> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:54:48 -0200, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The Brazilian Government adopted the Fedora Core as standard for > Desktops in the Education Ministry. > > http://www.softwarelivre.gov.br/documentos/palestramec/view > > - -- This is a great news. Any chance to make it available in English. I'd like to include the news in the next issue of FWN. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Wed Dec 14 18:47:11 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:47:11 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512121004m7f1116d1x59b2392e7563490a@mail.gmail.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <604aa7910512121004m7f1116d1x59b2392e7563490a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134586031.17984.95.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 13:04 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 12/12/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > It would be good to have a tour on Fedora in general highlighting the > > unique features as well as a more targeted version of it for Fedora Core > > 5 before its released to get more users interested?. What am I looking > > for is a series of screenshots or screencasts ( > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting ) with simple explanations > > or voice overs. Anyone want to get involved on that? > > Is there a requirement that the tour videos must be produced using > tools inside Fedora and will there be a requirement that the tour > videos work out of the box on a default Fedora Core install? Yes. IMO. This is more than the marketing value of having "Made on stock Fedora Core, 100% FLOSS." It is more than just a statement. It is simply the right way to do it. To accomplish this, we need to marshal resources. Us all need to lobby our colleagues and fellow free softies. Appoint a team that i) figures out what needs to be accomplished, and ii) is empowered to find the key players and get stuff done. We give the project more than good will to trade. Some in kind development that they need done now or in the future. Other focused time from the team *and everybody the team speaks for*. To start, I'll throw in ten units of FDP time. Back to Jef's question, the production tools can be in Extras, but, yes, the player must be in stock FC. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is the work to make such an mplayer package and get it accepted upstream something we can handle ourselves? What can we offer the Mplayer developers to get them to do or accept any necessary changes? These sort of FLOSS economics are interesting to me. How do we get disparate islands working together? Our combined skills and agendas are more powerful than just cash ... right? > > 3. Where do we coordinate this work -- what infrastructure do we need? Do > > we upload files to the wiki? Do we put them in CVS? > I don't think there is much in the way of needed infrastructure needed > beyond the wiki and applications in Core and Extras. > > I think we need to agree on system configuration to use as a baseline > for videos so videos will be "similar" enough to make a consistent > picture. You'd like to avoid things like different menu items across > videos for the collection of videos that are meant to be a Core tour. > For non-tour one-off topics the desktop state can be allowed to vary a > bit. I think though for a "tour" you want it to be somewhat seamless > as a single video even if there are individual chapters. This is one reason FDP is involved. We see this as content and under our purview, at least to defining standards, support infrastructure, providing editorial and publishing services, and coordinating with translation. We need to define the standards in quick iterations. As we test iterations of a working toolset, we'll pass the output through to f-docs-l for peer review. From that come updates to the Fedora Documentation Guide. If package maintainers are in short supply, we may have interested people who want to expand into that roll. > > 4. Who does the voice-overs in different languages? > shrug.. hopefully native speakers for each language. Yes, we should have a timed script with precise timing and rhythm that a native speaker can launch from. They go through the video a few times and work up a synchronization. Would that work? > > 5. What's the final format? > theora, is there another reasonable choice that works out of the box? +1 > > 6. Can it all be driven by volunteers? :) > I don't see why not. +1 > > Here's how I think it should work initially. +1, good iterative formula. We can peer review to f-docs-l instead of burdening Rahul. He'll speak up anyway. ;-) > Choose a particular > "scene" from the tour that you want recorded. Can we prioritize these scenes in terms of importance for production? I think that using pup is an obvious first, updating systems is key. For the rest of this, let's move the script generation discussion to f- docs-l. There's writers there who may be interested in developing the script and running the project. - Karsten > Write up english > instructions, a script, that can be followed by video creators to > "shoot" the scene. Let a couple of people shoot the scene and > designate someone, (Rahul!!!!!!) to pick the best video from the > contributed ones or edit the script and let people re-shoot. Once a > reasonable video is in hand, move on to voice-overs, where people > speak a version of the script as an audio track. > > If this works with one scene > Proposal for a test scene: "Updating your system with pup" > Scene begins just after gnome login is completed, last user action was > interacting with the > gdm login screen. > Scene ends with the desktop in a state as close to the starting state > as possible. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Dec 14 19:08:24 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:08:24 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1134587304.17984.115.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies > is already possible through Istanbul. We now agree that the toolchain is _not_ mature, right? > What we really need is for someone > or a set of people to coordinate and produce some that demonstrate > Fedora to end users. I think we can move to f-docs-l to look for scriptwriters and directors. Got to be some out there. "Attention scriptwriters and directors, screencasting audition" Or something. I can't start the discussion there today. If no one has by Thursday, anyone feel free to remind me to spark it. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 14 19:10:32 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:40:32 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> <604aa7910512131005j303adb35k621be64dcd63ee14@mail.gmail.com> <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <43A06E28.5040700@redhat.com> Hi >+1, good iterative formula. We can peer review to f-docs-l instead of >burdening Rahul. He'll speak up anyway. ;-) > > If you say so. I am a big proponent of working as a team within the purview of the community which I why I posted here rather than do it myself. Thats a good excuse for being lazy too :-) regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 14 19:13:55 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:43:55 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1134587304.17984.115.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134587304.17984.115.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <43A06EF3.4020708@redhat.com> Karsten Wade wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>The information on creating screencasts and producing ogg theora movies >>is already possible through Istanbul. >> >> > >We now agree that the toolchain is _not_ mature, right? > > It produces decent enough videos. Loses frames and sucks up resources at times but its a good enough for a start neverthless. What we need to think about is how to do voice overs in sync with the videos. Do you guys have the recording equipment?. If tools are a issue that cannot be dealt with within the FC5 time frame we can settle in with simple screenshots and text for now. Just looking to add more visibility to the different features in Fedora. Anyone could do that. regards Rahu From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Dec 14 19:20:38 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:20:38 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <43A06EF3.4020708@redhat.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134587304.17984.115.camel@erato.phig.org> <43A06EF3.4020708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1134588038.3005.43.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 00:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > It produces decent enough videos. Loses frames and sucks up resources at > times but its a good enough for a start neverthless. What we need to > think about is how to do voice overs in sync with the videos. Do you > guys have the recording equipment?. If tools are a issue that cannot be > dealt with within the FC5 time frame we can settle in with simple > screenshots and text for now. Just looking to add more visibility to > the different features in Fedora. Anyone could do that. If we can't do voiceovers, can we to textovers ? This would allow us to translate AND service the hearing impaired. I'd really like to see a station setup and maybe trial ran at LWCE Boston (april). I do believe Pogo would be agreeable to lend a system again, they usually lend us something with a crapton of computing power. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 20:18:02 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:18:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> <604aa7910512131005j303adb35k621be64dcd63ee14@mail.gmail.com> <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910512141218w57ed8374te576d2d9ff3199f7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/05, Karsten Wade wrote: > Is the work to make such an mplayer package and get it accepted upstream > something we can handle ourselves? What can we offer the Mplayer > developers to get them to do or accept any necessary changes? Oh, I very much doubt that mplayer upstream is interested in helping us functionally cripple an mplayer package to the extent necessary to get distributed as part of Extras. This page doesn't give me warm fuzzies http://rpm.greysector.net/yum.html But I'm reading over the wikipage again and I'm not sure exactly why richard requires the use of mplayer. To use theora_encode at the moment you need a wav input for audio and a yuv for video. I'm not an expert in using gst-launch, but can gst as shipped in fedora produce yuv format instead of having to go through mplayer? And can we just use a gst pipeline construction to mix in the wav file audio with the original theora video without having to decode to yuv video first and avoid using theora_encode all together? I know exactly why Richard wrote the instructions has he did, he's following the example instructions that come with the libtheora package documentation.. but there has to be a way to do all this inside the existing gstreamer framework. For example the theoradec element in gstreamer should be able to take the place of the mplayer step. I just don't know how to use gstreamer pipelines well enough to write up sample instructions. -jef From rjune at bravegnuworld.com Wed Dec 14 20:33:59 2005 From: rjune at bravegnuworld.com (Richard June) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:33:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512141218w57ed8374te576d2d9ff3199f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> <604aa7910512131005j303adb35k621be64dcd63ee14@mail.gmail.com> <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> <604aa7910512141218w57ed8374te576d2d9ff3199f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A081B7.6080606@bravegnuworld.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On 12/14/05, Karsten Wade wrote: > > >>Is the work to make such an mplayer package and get it accepted upstream >>something we can handle ourselves? What can we offer the Mplayer >>developers to get them to do or accept any necessary changes? >> >> [snip] >I know exactly why Richard wrote the instructions has he did, he's >following the example instructions that come with the libtheora >package documentation.. but there has to be a way to do all this >inside the existing gstreamer framework. > >For example the theoradec element in gstreamer should be able to take >the place of the mplayer step. I just don't know how to use gstreamer >pipelines well enough to write up sample instructions. > > To be honest, I have no idea if mplayer is really required, I found instructions using mplayer, and they worked. so I stopped worrying about it. If you know of a program to mux vorbis and theora, then by all means, that's the better thing to use. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 03:51:01 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:51:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512141218w57ed8374te576d2d9ff3199f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <439DB271.8010101@redhat.com> <20051213014415.M48535@fedoranews.org> <439E287F.9080601@redhat.com> <1134439186.3010.324.camel@yoda.loki.me> <439EF948.3080801@redhat.com> <604aa7910512131005j303adb35k621be64dcd63ee14@mail.gmail.com> <1134587148.17984.110.camel@erato.phig.org> <604aa7910512141218w57ed8374te576d2d9ff3199f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910512141951o4f862649md2c930ef4b4b9116@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/05, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > but there has to be a way to do all this > inside the existing gstreamer framework. I think I have found a gst pipeline that works which can take an audio.wav file and apply it to a desktop-recording.ogg theora video and end up with a result.ogg theora video with audio. I'm pretty sure something similar will work with a vorbis audio track as well instead of a wav. I'm going to update the screencast wiki page with a simple bash script for now which uses gst-launch. I'll probably replace it with a slightly better python script as soon as I get the chance. Nothing fancy mind you, but something which can be used to batch localized audio for the same video. Consequences: *Everything necessary to encode video and audio seperately exist in Core/Extras development as provided by gstreamer-* and audacity *Istanbul makes encoding videos point and click easy, and it should work from kde and gnome desktops *Audacity should provide reasonable interface for create an audio track of the corresponding length to the video. We might require some sort of visual ques in the video to help with audio sync if audio is going to be made after the video. *gst pipeline to batch to splice the audio and video into a final video, which I can turn into a simple cmdline tool to be used as needed. *Should be able to to construct some other post-processing gst pipelines to add title sequence or text overlays, but I haven't looked deep into that yet. Here's the pipeline to mix in the wav audio and the istanbul video: { oggmux name=mux ! filesink location=result.ogg } { filesrc location=desktop-recording.ogg ! decodebin name=v } { filesrc location=audio.wav ! decodebin name=a } { v. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! theoraenc ! queue name=theora-q ! mux. } { a. ! queue ! audioconvert ! rawvorbisenc ! queue name=vorbis-q ! mux. } -jef From chitlesh at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 20:20:58 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:20:58 +0100 Subject: Conference on Fedora Now in 40 mins Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512151220q5f124b16u2a313fefb6f9a284@mail.gmail.com> There will be an online conference about "About Fedora" at 2100 GMT today. Greg DeKoenigsberg, Rik van Riel and Warren Togami from Red Hat Inc will present "About Fedora" in English. More information can be found http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/prog.html Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 15 23:23:21 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:53:21 +0530 Subject: Uninet Fedora Conference Message-ID: <43A1FAE9.1080700@redhat.com> Hi IRC meet logs- http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora Questions (answers given above) - http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=qc&s=fedora Enjoy! regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:35:01 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:35:01 +0100 Subject: @f.p.org wiki page Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, due to the talks following the last meeting, (Barz will send the meeting minutes), I have created a wiki page in order to help gregdek to process the aliases in an orderly manner. Fedora Ambassadors and Contributors are requested to add their related information. wiki page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Emails Barz. please do add this in your meeting minutes Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Dec 16 03:29:19 2005 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:29:19 -0200 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When the new FEDORA LOGO will be used in the WIKI? - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDojSPPg3HAC1vlg4RAuFxAKCETAV8dHFVLrmL4yG3UOMsLoZW8QCeK8lr Qa0H5AHTHhcrqO+3TKILxNI= =CgaH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at redhat.com Fri Dec 16 03:32:37 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:02:37 +0530 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <43A23555.9080504@redhat.com> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >When the new FEDORA LOGO will be used in the WIKI? > > Not sure what you mean there. Its already being used in the wiki. If you are looking for Fedora usage guidelines kindly be patient. Its still waiting on the counsel. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas regards Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Dec 16 03:35:47 2005 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:35:47 -0200 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A23555.9080504@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> <43A23555.9080504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43A23613.9000808@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I need new fedora logo in high resolution (in great size) Somebody can send me it? - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDojYTPg3HAC1vlg4RAlb6AJ9qVh6wfvVV/sfhAR5+X3YM8nmyKwCfSIv5 uFRcUlHJp3HT3Xgzt7XNR/w= =nO07 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at redhat.com Fri Dec 16 03:44:08 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:14:08 +0530 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A23613.9000808@projetofedora.org> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> <43A23555.9080504@redhat.com> <43A23613.9000808@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <43A23808.8070603@redhat.com> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I need new fedora logo in high resolution (in great size) > >Somebody can send me it? > > Again if you are using it anywhere you need the guidelines to be published prior hand. As soon as this is established you should be able to get the logo in all different formats and sizes. regards Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Dec 16 05:28:45 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:28:45 -0600 Subject: Uninet Fedora Conference In-Reply-To: <43A1FAE9.1080700@redhat.com> References: <43A1FAE9.1080700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43A2508D.1040206@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > IRC meet logs- > http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=fedora Questions > (answers given above) - > http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=qc&s=fedora > > Enjoy! > > regards Rahul > > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > It was great! Sadly I had troubles with my backspace key and firefox... Until I used X-Chat to log in. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDolCNXM+XOp70dwoRAuIyAJ43wc0zXLnxDE+ezqufleD9kDKiPACdH/2F SHrdvT1OS0xS6OjmFMcF/ec= =+sx8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at redhat.com Sun Dec 18 02:40:07 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:10:07 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <439F1A18.3080205@bravegnuworld.com> References: <439F1A18.3080205@bravegnuworld.com> Message-ID: <43A4CC07.9090509@redhat.com> Richard June wrote: > As Jef said, I've documented adding a voiceover, the hard part about > it is getting the audio to sync with the video. Istanbul only records > about every third frame or something, so you can't really get great > and smooth video. What I did was sit down and write a script for the > tutorial, then I recorded the video while speaking the audio to > myself. This let me practice the audio, *and* gave me some idea of > where I needed to pause, to wait, etc. This usually took two or three > tries to get something I was happy with. > Once I had a video, I started Audacity(any recorder should work). I > recorded the audio track while watching the video, thus I knew the > cues for waiting, etc. Again I recorded the track two or three times. > then I cut and spliced the three of them together so that audio was > smooth and matched video. My results aren't perfect by any stretch, > and it took a bit of time to do it, but I was using a 1400Mhz Athlon > with 256M ram at the time, and it was a learning experience. Anyway, > here's the video, note the artifacts in the video. I think that has to > do with the encoding properties and possibly the codec, using a > 640x480 screen should result in better quality at the same size or so. > > here's a link to the video if you're interested. > https://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/sudo.ogg Pretty good video.Maybe a RFE to system-config-users to support enabling sudo without dropping down to using vi + text configuration files would be useful, while we are at it. More of these would be nice targets. What I think is worth covering initially is the Anaconda and other graphical system configuration tools ( System-config-*, pup etc). regards Rahul From rjune at bravegnuworld.com Sun Dec 18 23:17:19 2005 From: rjune at bravegnuworld.com (Richard June) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:17:19 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <43A4CC07.9090509@redhat.com> References: <439F1A18.3080205@bravegnuworld.com> <43A4CC07.9090509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43A5EDFF.7080600@bravegnuworld.com> [snip] > Pretty good video.Maybe a RFE to system-config-users to support > enabling sudo without dropping down to using vi + text configuration > files would be useful, while we are at it. More of these would be nice > targets. What I think is worth covering initially is the Anaconda and > other graphical system configuration tools ( System-config-*, pup etc). the answer I've always gotten about changing the default sudo config has always been something like "consolehelper is better" From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Dec 19 12:16:30 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:46:30 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <43A5EDFF.7080600@bravegnuworld.com> References: <439F1A18.3080205@bravegnuworld.com> <43A4CC07.9090509@redhat.com> <43A5EDFF.7080600@bravegnuworld.com> Message-ID: <43A6A49E.5060106@redhat.com> Richard June wrote: > [snip] > >> Pretty good video.Maybe a RFE to system-config-users to support >> enabling sudo without dropping down to using vi + text configuration >> files would be useful, while we are at it. More of these would be >> nice targets. What I think is worth covering initially is the >> Anaconda and other graphical system configuration tools ( >> System-config-*, pup etc). > > > the answer I've always gotten about changing the default sudo config > has always been something like "consolehelper is better" Sure is but not all programs are consolehelper enabled. Meanwhile providing a option to enable sudo cant hurt. regards Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 17:27:52 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:27:52 +0100 Subject: Event: Strasbourg (date partly finalised) Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512190927v5be0b19bg4524c80372c26cf0@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, I have good news and maybe bad news. Its Still fresh. First as long awaited here in Strasbourg, France there will be an "open source" day http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl4/index on the 23-25 June 2006. This event will be intended as I mentioned in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents to promote open source softwares and linux. If somebody is motivated to make a conference about fedora, do inform me. Hence you will become the guest of our lug. We ( the lug members ) are looking forward to invite lecturers and to pay their journey and hotel too. This needs to be confirmed. The money required to host the lecturers will be from either paid entrance or companies paying for the booth. to rent a booth for fedora, we have to pay. Price will be communicated later. There are also talks about free booth for associations. But nothing yet confirmed. Its possible to sell Fedora t-shirts or other goodies for fund raising. But in this case, we must rent a booth for Fedora. Now comes the "maybe" bad news: this scheduled date for the event interfere badly with two of MY private life things: 1. I have already booked two tickets (my gf and I) to Mauritius. 2. my contract with the hostel ends in the beginning of June and somebody will be occupying my actual room. so meanwhile send your comments, queries or any other proposals :) regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Dec 19 18:40:03 2005 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:40:03 +0100 Subject: School, LUG, Non-profit Program- Marketing Mentor Call - Message-ID: Dear all, I will be short. Last friday I went to the french engineer computers school for my second interview with the principal of this one. FYI, the first one was just to establish the contact. We have talked during few hours about Linux, Fedora and other Open source applications. Then we have planned to make an event in january as soon as I will received Fedora cd's from Alex. Brief, this is what we have agreed upond the following action: - Make a Fedora Project overview for students and teachers. - Use Fedora at school - it is already the case - - Try to create a Fedora Linux group associated to school or LUG like which can be help the Fedora project as far as they can obviously. - Have a partnership with Fedora - That is for marketing - (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ#head-d2fe35efbc7611aa461c563cc68bbd64ae9122d8 ) - Use "Fedora Project" logo and other Fedora marks as far as they respect the terms of the Trademark Guidelines ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ#head-ed90660c6f5522ec7c71f820221f87b80d770556 & http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines ) Obviously, before to go futher I would like an approuvment from a Marketing Mentor for that. In addition, if everybody agree I will create a wiki page for school/LUG/Non-profit partnership program and all could be related to it. BTW, I will appreciate if someone from marketing could tell me what can be done or not. If you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. BR Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Mon Dec 19 18:50:09 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: Good question. We're cleared to use it now... ...so let's use it now. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > When the new FEDORA LOGO will be used in the WIKI? > > - -- > +================================================+ > RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA > (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O > //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG > V_/_ > PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora > +================================================+ > Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil > http://www.projetofedora.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDojSPPg3HAC1vlg4RAuFxAKCETAV8dHFVLrmL4yG3UOMsLoZW8QCeK8lr > Qa0H5AHTHhcrqO+3TKILxNI= > =CgaH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gdk at redhat.com Mon Dec 19 20:51:29 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:51:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Event: Strasbourg (date partly finalised) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0512190927v5be0b19bg4524c80372c26cf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512190927v5be0b19bg4524c80372c26cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the update, Chitlesh. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hai there, > I have good news and maybe bad news. > Its Still fresh. > > First as long awaited here in Strasbourg, France there will be an > "open source" day http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl4/index on the 23-25 > June 2006. This event will be intended as I mentioned in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents to promote open source > softwares and linux. > > If somebody is motivated to make a conference about fedora, do inform > me. Hence you will become the guest of our lug. We ( the lug members ) > are looking forward to invite lecturers and to pay their journey and > hotel too. This needs to be confirmed. The money required to host the > lecturers will be from either paid entrance or companies paying for > the booth. > > to rent a booth for fedora, we have to pay. Price will be communicated > later. There are also talks about free booth for associations. But > nothing yet confirmed. > > Its possible to sell Fedora t-shirts or other goodies for fund > raising. But in this case, we must rent a booth for Fedora. > > Now comes the "maybe" bad news: > this scheduled date for the event interfere badly with two of MY > private life things: > 1. I have already booked two tickets (my gf and I) to Mauritius. > 2. my contract with the hostel ends in the beginning of June and > somebody will be occupying my actual room. > > so meanwhile send your comments, queries or any other proposals :) > > regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 03:20:32 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:50:32 +0530 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >Good question. We're cleared to use it now... > >...so let's use it now. :) > >--g > Two things need to happen for that. 1) Usage guidelines 2) Source formats For the word mark we need to answer the question of the font license regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 03:42:28 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:12:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] School, LUG, Non-profit Program- Marketing Mentor Call - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A77DA4.5020408@redhat.com> Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear all, > > I will be short. > Last friday I went to the french engineer computers school for my > second interview with the principal of this one. FYI, the first one > was just to establish the contact. > > We have talked during few hours about Linux, Fedora and other Open > source applications. Then we have planned to make an event in january > as soon as I will received Fedora cd's from Alex. > > Brief, this is what we have agreed upond the following action: > > - Make a Fedora Project overview for students and teachers. > > - Use Fedora at school - it is already the case - > > - Try to create a Fedora Linux group associated to school or LUG > like which can be help the Fedora project as far as they can > obviously. > > - Have a partnership with Fedora - That is for marketing - (see > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ#head-d2fe35efbc7611aa461c563cc68bbd64ae9122d8 > ) > > - Use "Fedora Project" logo and other Fedora marks as far as > they respect the terms of the Trademark Guidelines ( > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ#head-ed90660c6f5522ec7c71f820221f87b80d770556 > & http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines ) > > Obviously, before to go futher I would like an approuvment from a > Marketing Mentor for that. > I have no precise idea on whats expected from such a mentor but I can help you with this effort or atleast providing pointers. While we are on this topic, I think the following would help promoting Fedora for schools and colleges. 1) Build a Live CD based on Fedora repository packages (Core+Extras) targeted at schools. Get whatever packages into the repositories to make this happen 2) Build a installalable version of the same 3) Continue working on modifying the trademark guidelines to enable such things to happen under a Fedora banner. regards Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Dec 20 05:50:56 2005 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:50:56 -0600 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <"4 3 A2348F.8020909"@projetofedora.org> <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43A79BC0.4080305@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > 1) Usage guidelines 2) Source formats > > For the word mark we need to answer the question of the font > license > > regards Rahul Maybe the situation of the font thing would have been avoided should a condition for the new logo was to use free fonts only instead? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDp5vAXM+XOp70dwoRAsxrAJ4/OtzQqtwxV3uLl2ZAjBGElMhqiwCeJVNi ziVx9O62rNU3xeozoRccmPg= =kWT1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 05:53:05 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:23:05 +0530 Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A79BC0.4080305@prodigy.net.mx> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <"4 3 A2348F.8020909"@projetofedora.org> <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> <43A79BC0.4080305@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43A79C41.600@redhat.com> Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>1) Usage guidelines 2) Source formats >> >>For the word mark we need to answer the question of the font >>license >> >>regards Rahul >> >> > >Maybe the situation of the font thing would have been avoided should a >condition for the new logo was to use free fonts only instead? > > > or buy the existing font and give it away under appropriate terms that is consistent with the guidelines to be established. More than a few thousand $$$ on that one if its deemed necessary. regards Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 15:29:53 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:29:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: LOGO IN WIKI In-Reply-To: <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512151535t2834422cqa64d3f3dcac2264b@mail.gmail.com> <43A2348F.8020909@projetofedora.org> <43A77880.5090105@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Two things need to happen for that. > > 1) Usage guidelines I'm still waiting for lawyer time, and it'll be the new year before that happens, realistically -- so here's the usage guidelines: please send usage requests to "logo at fedoraproject.org". Seth, could you set that alias up and point it to me? Thanks. Once you've done that, I'll update the wiki appropriately. > 2) Source formats I'll update the wiki with these as well. > For the word mark we need to answer the question of the font license No. For the word mark, we're going with a proprietary font. However, we're working with a gentleman in Austalia, who has worked on some of the Ubuntu stuff, to create a free font for Fedora. I'll keep folks updated. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Dec 20 16:08:29 2005 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:08:29 -0200 Subject: LOGO Message-ID: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Which font is used in text FEDOA of logo ?? - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDqCx9Pg3HAC1vlg4RAvSbAJ45p/SkbeLmFtzfT56NFwrn2iCFhQCgmRtW KaJD0O7xv3S66TsAkfXMC4I= =IF/U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 18:00:04 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:00:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: LOGO In-Reply-To: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> References: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: It is a proprietary typeface. We've got a project in the works to create a free font that is complementary. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Which font is used in text FEDOA of logo ?? > > - -- > +================================================+ > RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA > (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O > //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG > V_/_ > PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora > +================================================+ > Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil > http://www.projetofedora.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDqCx9Pg3HAC1vlg4RAvSbAJ45p/SkbeLmFtzfT56NFwrn2iCFhQCgmRtW > KaJD0O7xv3S66TsAkfXMC4I= > =IF/U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Dec 20 18:33:13 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:33:13 -0600 Subject: LOGO In-Reply-To: References: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <43A84E69.4050008@n-man.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > It is a proprietary typeface. We've got a project in the works to create > a free font that is complementary. > > --g > > Despite it being proprietary, some of us would still like to know what the font is and where it is from. :-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ -- Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 20 18:36:15 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:36:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: LOGO In-Reply-To: <43A84E69.4050008@n-man.com> References: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> <43A84E69.4050008@n-man.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > It is a proprietary typeface. We've got a project in the works to create > > a free font that is complementary. > > > > --g > > > > > Despite it being proprietary, some of us would still like to know what > the font is and where it is from. :-) I don't know. :) Mr. Munoz? Call for Mr. Munoz? --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From mmunoz at capstrat.com Tue Dec 20 19:01:43 2005 From: mmunoz at capstrat.com (Matt Munoz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:43 -0500 Subject: LOGO In-Reply-To: References: <43A82C7D.6090607@projetofedora.org> <43A84E69.4050008@n-man.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > >> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> >>> It is a proprietary typeface. We've got a project in the works >>> to create >>> a free font that is complementary. >>> >>> --g >>> >>> >>> >> Despite it being proprietary, some of us would still like to know >> what >> the font is and where it is from. :-) >> > > I don't know. :) > > Mr. Munoz? Call for Mr. Munoz? > > --g ??? typeface name is Bryant. available from Process Type Foundry. http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html happy typesetting... matt ??? > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get those requests in now, now, NOW! --g (Disclaimer: I may not be approving requests until the new year, but at least we've got a process.) _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Dec 21 00:42:07 2005 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:42:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open source in Africa Message-ID: While looking for random vidcasts, I stumbled upon go-opensource.org, which seems to be in touch with a lot of the open source stuff going on in Africa. All sorts of interesting projects and links underneath it. It's always neat to stumble upon a corner of the open source community you never knew existed. :) Don't know how pro-ubuntu they are, but it might be a good way to track down Fedora Ambassadors in Africa. Best, -- Elliot Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006) http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 01:34:59 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:34:59 +0100 Subject: Open source in Africa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512201734p43c9adb9p44451f2c50e5167b@mail.gmail.com> > Don't know how pro-ubuntu they are, but it might be a good way to track > down Fedora Ambassadors in Africa. Well Im a Fedora Ambassador too for Mauritius. There, people are not well informed about linux. Im doing my best to spread the news and recuit testers for FC5test1 (see http://www.linux.mu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197 ) But lately when Ive burned FC dvds and gave them in the hands (yes spoon feeding) mauritians started to make a move in return. The biggest problem encountered is that people really needs physical presence to set up their sagem 800 adsl modems. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From gajownik at fedora.pl Wed Dec 21 02:02:06 2005 From: gajownik at fedora.pl (Dawid Gajownik) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:02:06 +0100 Subject: Open source in Africa In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0512201734p43c9adb9p44451f2c50e5167b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0512201734p43c9adb9p44451f2c50e5167b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A8B79E.7000100@fedora.pl> Dnia 12/21/2005 02:35 AM, U?ytkownik Chitlesh GOORAH napisa?: > The biggest problem encountered is that people really needs physical > presence to set up their sagem 800 adsl modems. It's also a really common problem on http://forum.fedora.pl :( Maybe this page will make installation of drivers more friendly ? http://remi.collet.free.fr/index.php?2005/08/10/3-installation-du-pilote-eagle-usb -- ^_* From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 02:01:31 2005 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:01:31 +0100 Subject: Open source in Africa In-Reply-To: <43A8B79E.7000100@fedora.pl> References: <13dbfe4f0512201734p43c9adb9p44451f2c50e5167b@mail.gmail.com> <43A8B79E.7000100@fedora.pl> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0512201801m409037fdmf93198ec5ecc7046@mail.gmail.com> > It's also a really common problem on http://forum.fedora.pl :( > Maybe this page will make installation of drivers more friendly ? > http://remi.collet.free.fr/index.php?2005/08/10/3-installation-du-pilote-eagle-usb > Thanks Dawid , Im forwarding this link each time Ive to deal with this sagem 800 modem -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 15:56:39 2005 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:56:39 -0500 Subject: FEDORA LOGO USAGE GUIDELINES. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <556f970a0512210756j54b04db1pc854f17ce571b5b6@mail.gmail.com> Hey, we ought to get the logo at the top of this logo page, oughtn't we? On 12/20/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > Sorry for the all-caps -- wanted to make sure people don't miss it. :) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Logo > > Open for business. Get those requests in now, now, NOW! > > --g > > (Disclaimer: I may not be approving requests until the new year, but at > least we've got a process.) > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 21 16:02:31 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:32:31 +0530 Subject: FEDORA LOGO USAGE GUIDELINES. In-Reply-To: <556f970a0512210756j54b04db1pc854f17ce571b5b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <556f970a0512210756j54b04db1pc854f17ce571b5b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A97C97.5090809@redhat.com> Jeremy Hogan wrote: > Hey, we ought to get the logo at the top of this logo page, oughtn't we? > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Logo > > I have added pointers to the logo page now. Feel free to do such changes yourself. I have added "JeremyHogan" to the the edit group. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 16:50:33 2005 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:50:33 -0500 Subject: FEDORA LOGO USAGE GUIDELINES. In-Reply-To: <43A97C97.5090809@redhat.com> References: <556f970a0512210756j54b04db1pc854f17ce571b5b6@mail.gmail.com> <43A97C97.5090809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0512210850k4ba80425v720ef3c41dbc3712@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Rahul, I was meaning the logo in the header, which I didn't think I could edit, and should be site wide. --jeremy On 12/21/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Jeremy Hogan wrote: > > > Hey, we ought to get the logo at the top of this logo page, oughtn't we? > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Logo > > > > > I have added pointers to the logo page now. Feel free to do such changes > yourself. I have added "JeremyHogan" to the the edit group. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing > > -- > Rahul > > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Dec 21 23:39:51 2005 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:39:51 -0200 Subject: Fedora Translation Message-ID: <43A9E7C7.6020200@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We finished the translation job of Fedora Core for PT_BR. Now we will start the revisions. - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDqefHPg3HAC1vlg4RAs4AAKCvx/+SGffzWmIfywbFDXPyoOnhzgCgsGvr ovvSqHhmr7KzNewugXgFGSY= =qZCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stickster at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 00:52:02 2005 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:52:02 -0500 Subject: Audio for Fedora videos Message-ID: <1135212723.17599.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have equipment available to do high-quality audio for Fedora screencasts and would be happy to work with community members on scripting and recording. I have professional quality condenser microphones, mixer, tube preamp, compressor, and digital audio interface. Interested parties can contact me at the email address above or using my wiki page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 28 22:45:20 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:15:20 +0530 Subject: Audio for Fedora videos In-Reply-To: <1135212723.17599.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1135212723.17599.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43B31580.7080503@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: >I have equipment available to do high-quality audio for Fedora >screencasts and would be happy to work with community members on >scripting and recording. I have professional quality condenser >microphones, mixer, tube preamp, compressor, and digital audio >interface. Interested parties can contact me at the email address above >or using my wiki page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > > > Great. So we now have videos being added to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/. If we can add in more videos for the common tasks and get subtitles and voice overs, we can add more visibility and make things easier for the non technical users. Features that are not specific to FC5 can still be added to present a bigger overview if you are interested in that. -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 23:17:49 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:17:49 -0500 Subject: Audio for Fedora videos In-Reply-To: <43B31580.7080503@redhat.com> References: <1135212723.17599.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43B31580.7080503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910512281517o51da0592uc333152ee065625f@mail.gmail.com> On 12/28/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Great. So we now have videos being added to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/. If we can add in more videos for > the common tasks and get subtitles and voice overs, we can add more > visibility and make things easier for the non technical users. Features > that are not specific to FC5 can still be added to present a bigger > overview if you are interested in that. instead of subtitles... perhaps the annodex technology could be used http://www.annodex.net/ libannodex is already in Extras and provides the basic tools for creating the annodexed media. -jef From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 28 23:21:41 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:51:41 +0530 Subject: Audio for Fedora videos In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512281517o51da0592uc333152ee065625f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1135212723.17599.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43B31580.7080503@redhat.com> <604aa7910512281517o51da0592uc333152ee065625f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43B31E05.2040909@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On 12/28/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Great. So we now have videos being added to >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/. If we can add in more videos for >>the common tasks and get subtitles and voice overs, we can add more >>visibility and make things easier for the non technical users. Features >>that are not specific to FC5 can still be added to present a bigger >>overview if you are interested in that. >> >> > >instead of subtitles... perhaps the annodex technology could be used >http://www.annodex.net/ > >libannodex is already in Extras and provides the basic tools for >creating the annodexed media. > >-jef > Can you show a demo with the video at the bottom of this page?. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 29 01:03:08 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:33:08 +0530 Subject: Colors and Slogan Message-ID: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> Hi We need to determine colors for various projects that havent decided on one yet Core - Blue Legacy - Green Extras - ? Documentation - ? Ambassadors -? Foundation/Project -? What about a slogan? - "Do the Right Thing" is good for me from the earlier suggestions. Discuss, decide and go for one now. -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 01:04:56 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:04:56 -0500 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? a On 12/28/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > We need to determine colors for various projects that havent decided on > one yet > > Core - Blue > Legacy - Green > Extras - ? > Documentation - ? > Ambassadors -? > Foundation/Project -? > > What about a slogan? - "Do the Right Thing" is good for me from the > earlier suggestions. Discuss, decide and go for one now. > > -- > Rahul > > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 29 01:09:40 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:39:40 +0530 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? >a > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. 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Email: nayyar at ossp.com.pk Cell: +92 333 9139461 Office: +92 91 5846548 Web: www.ossp.com.pk www.etech.com.pk www.lampsols.com Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From stickster at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 15:39:25 2005 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:39:25 -0500 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 06:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. I remember a discussion about this long ago, but no ultimate decision. In any case, here's my vote for no color extensions. At one time I dug this idea, but after more careful consideration, I think they're distracting and interfere with the unity of the project. The blue color is a distinctive thematic element, and I think swapping it for every subproject is a mistake. Simply changing a name that appears under the word "fedora" would be a better idea. I think trying to incorporate some additional graphic element referencing the subproject name is probably also a bad move, because it would make the resulting amalgam too busy. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Dec 29 15:57:56 2005 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:57:56 -0600 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 10:39 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 06:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > > > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. > > I remember a discussion about this long ago, but no ultimate decision. > In any case, here's my vote for no color extensions. At one time I dug > this idea, but after more careful consideration, I think they're > distracting and interfere with the unity of the project. The blue color > is a distinctive thematic element, and I think swapping it for every > subproject is a mistake. > > Simply changing a name that appears under the word "fedora" would be a > better idea. I think trying to incorporate some additional graphic > element referencing the subproject name is probably also a bad move, > because it would make the resulting amalgam too busy. > I have to agree with Paul on this, also finding enough colors that are complementary to the blue theme will get difficult and confusing as projects are added. Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen http://scalug.us/ http://fedoraunity.org/ http://fedoralinks.org/ http://fedorasolved.org/ http://fedoramobile.org/ http://fedora64.org/ From jallits at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 06:12:33 2005 From: jallits at gmail.com (Dan Jallits) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:12:33 -0600 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: agreed On 12/29/05, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 10:39 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 06:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > > > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > > > > > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. > > > > I remember a discussion about this long ago, but no ultimate decision. > > In any case, here's my vote for no color extensions. At one time I dug > > this idea, but after more careful consideration, I think they're > > distracting and interfere with the unity of the project. The blue color > > is a distinctive thematic element, and I think swapping it for every > > subproject is a mistake. > > > > Simply changing a name that appears under the word "fedora" would be a > > better idea. I think trying to incorporate some additional graphic > > element referencing the subproject name is probably also a bad move, > > because it would make the resulting amalgam too busy. > > > > I have to agree with Paul on this, also finding enough colors that are > complementary to the blue theme will get difficult and confusing as > projects are added. > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen > http://scalug.us/ > http://fedoraunity.org/ > http://fedoralinks.org/ > http://fedorasolved.org/ > http://fedoramobile.org/ > http://fedora64.org/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Best regards, Daniel C. Jallits 100 E. Oneida Avenue Elmhurst, Illinois 60126-4465 United States of America T: 630.279.2798 | M: 630.670.3775 Email - jallits at gmail.com Weblog - http://jallits.wordpress.com Del.icio.us - http://del.icio.us/rss/jallits Technorati - http://www.technorati.com/profile/jallits From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:00:30 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:00:30 -0500 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910512300600i3b06e7ccsdc5672e58ac3cf6d@mail.gmail.com> On 12/28/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > >a > > > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. Greg commented on the secondary color palette being dropped in the thread "Fedora Logo: Modifications to the "f" and color" on Nov 9th You were even active in the thread. -jef From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Dec 31 00:53:29 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:23:29 +0530 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512300600i3b06e7ccsdc5672e58ac3cf6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <604aa7910512300600i3b06e7ccsdc5672e58ac3cf6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43B5D689.1060205@redhat.com> Hi >>I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. >> >> > >Greg commented on the secondary color palette being dropped in the thread >"Fedora Logo: Modifications to the "f" and color" on Nov 9th > >You were even active in the thread. > >-jef > Are you talking about https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2005-November/msg00091.html. If so Greg also said there is plenty of debate to be had long term. -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/