From romttrom at ybb.ne.jp Sat Oct 1 15:08:13 2005 From: romttrom at ybb.ne.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:08:13 +0900 Subject: Fedora based distributions: An overview In-Reply-To: <433D4C15.9060109@redhat.com> References: <433D4C15.9060109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <433EA65D.4070506@ybb.ne.jp> Hi, Not really a distribution, but below are commercial products using or utilizing Fedora. ============================================================== Company Name Orion Multisystems, Inc. http://www.orionmulti.com/ Product Name DS-96 http://www.orionmulti.com/products/specs_ds96 Major differences from Fedora This is personal super computer which use customized Fedora core 2 for its software Contact page http://www.orionmulti.com/company/contact Classify them into groups based on functionality Personal Super computer ================================================================ ================================================================ Company Name NTT DATA Corporation Product Name cell computing Gene (No English page yet) http://www.cellcomputing.jp/products/product_gene.htm Major differences from Fedora It adds packages developed by NTT Data and other open source softwares, so Fedora Core 3 can work as a personal grid computing server. Add-on packages included BOINC version 4.26 Apache?version 2.0.50 PHP version 4.3.10 MySQL version 4.0.22 cell computing Gene managing console Contact page https://www.cellcomputing.net/products/inquiry/ Classify them into groups based on functionality Fedora Core 3 Commercial add-on ================================================================ Regards, Yoshihiro Totaka Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > There is a recent effort being made as part of the Fedora marketing team > to create a list of Fedora based distributions which includes the > project links, package listing, contact details etc classified into > several groups based on their functionality. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions > > I had committed to sending a mail with my ideas on this a few meeting > back and you got it now. I would like to invite more volunteers to > participate on this effort and send in your feedback.f > > The numbers game > > The number of Linux distributions continue to explode in a phenomenal > rate. There are 345 active distributions at present not counting 64 > discontinued efforts. A large number of them are however derivatives > based on other distributions, in particular Red Hat Linux/Fedora and > Debian. The ones that are build from scratch are much lower at 28. > Factoring in distributions that were originally based on some > distributions but have evolved into independent ones we can put the > numbers at approximately 35. > > > Fedora Derivatives > > Fedora is the second highest base for a large number of distributions > right after Debian. There is a impressive 63 distributions based on > Fedora and 13 others based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux which itself is > based on Fedora. I havent counted Mandriva and others which are now far > apart from their lineage. > > That puts the final count as 76. > > Source: http://distrowatch.com > > Classification of Derivatives > > There are a fair number of reasons to create new distributions and > derivatives help you reach there better if you choose a appropriate base > depending on the requirements. Some major categories include the following: > > * Live CD's: These is potentially the biggest group and they provide > value as rescue cds, demonstrations and technology showcases etc > > * Regional: These include GUI and docs in their native language, locale > information with potentially more utilities for input methods and > changes to accommodate hardware in that particular region > > * Niche groups: New technology, product demonstrations etc that appeal > to a limit audience like terminal servers and low end hardware. These > might eventually evolve into a mainstream technology or product > > * Package mix: Changes in default set of packages, branding and other > specific targets like games or edutainment software. > > * Commercial offshoots: Productizing a distribution appeals to many > groups and for several different uncategorized reasons > > > Collaboration > > Fedora as a project provides ample opportunity for such derivatives to > collaborate with each other and with Fedora itself. As an example, the > Live CD distributions can base themselves off Kadischi, Fedora's Live CD > generation tool and contribute towards improving it helping themselves > in the process. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD > > Agenda items could include the following > > * Contact and discuss areas and projects where we can have a win-win > arrangement > * Provide templates for new project proposals and sub groups within > Fedora. Provide webspace, cvs access, mailing lists, bandwidth and > publicity for such projects wherever appropriate > * Make it easier to create derivatives and branding. Fedora potentially > benefits from being a base for different people to explore different areas > > Let me know your thoughts > > regards > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From caillon at redhat.com Sun Oct 2 21:41:05 2005 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:41:05 -0400 Subject: Fedora based distributions: An overview In-Reply-To: <433D4C15.9060109@redhat.com> References: <433D4C15.9060109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <434053F1.3080008@redhat.com> On 09/30/2005 10:30 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Fedora is the second highest base for a large number of distributions > right after Debian. There is a impressive 63 distributions based on > Fedora and 13 others based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux which itself is > based on Fedora. I havent counted Mandriva and others which are now > far apart from their lineage. > > That puts the final count as 76. 63 + 13 + 1 = 77 :-) From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Sun Oct 2 23:33:33 2005 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora based distributions: An overview In-Reply-To: <434053F1.3080008@redhat.com> References: <433D4C15.9060109@redhat.com> <434053F1.3080008@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 09/30/2005 10:30 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Fedora is the second highest base for a large number of distributions > > right after Debian. There is a impressive 63 distributions based on > > Fedora and 13 others based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux which itself is > > based on Fedora. I havent counted Mandriva and others which are now > > far apart from their lineage. > > > > That puts the final count as 76. > 63 + 13 + 1 = 77 > > :-) And there are a lot you will never know about! Roozbeh wrote in his blog [1]: FarsiWeb Linux: Today, we delivered the first version of our home-made Fedora-baesd distribution to the Shell office in Tehran. The good news is that they are also looking forward to use that in some of their offices in other countries, starting from the Syrian ones. [1] http://www.advogato.org/person/roozbeh/diary.html?start=45 --behdad http://behdad.org/ From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Oct 5 05:22:39 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:22:39 +1000 Subject: fp.o translation volunteer In-Reply-To: <1128011504.31300.37.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1127782544.4672.2.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <43389C7A.60204@n-man.com> <1128011504.31300.37.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1128489759.4438.29.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi All, On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 09:31 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 20:12 -0500, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > > Do you mean 'fp.o/wiki/pt_BR/Extras'? Shorthanding that kind of thing > > is risky. ;-) > > Whilst looking around, I recommend staying away from wiki/Docs/Drafts > and Docs/Beats/, content is too raw. > > When there is something in wiki/Docs that is not a draft or shifting > beat content, feel free to translate. Great! Do we have translation procedures in place? How is this working out? From barzilay at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 02:09:32 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:09:32 +1000 Subject: fedora live cd Message-ID: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> hi all, do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios (http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? thx in advance! best, -- David Barzilay From barzilay at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 02:13:05 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:13:05 +1000 Subject: fedora live cd In-Reply-To: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> sorry. i meant fedora core 4 live cd... On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > hi all, > > do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios > (http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? > > thx in advance! > > best, > -- > David Barzilay > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From jwulf at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 02:48:22 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:48:22 +1000 Subject: fedora live cd In-Reply-To: <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43449076.3020108@redhat.com> David Barzilay wrote: >sorry. > >i meant fedora core 4 live cd... > >On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > > >>hi all, >> >>do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios >>(http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? >> >>thx in advance! >> >>best, >>-- >>David Barzilay >> >>-- >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> Dave, you might want to ask on fedora-livecd list: Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 6 03:00:33 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:00:33 +1000 Subject: fudcon today! Message-ID: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> So, its FUDCon time Will we have quorum for a meeting? Usual time, at #fedora-mktg Respond please. -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From barzilay at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 03:19:54 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:19:54 +1000 Subject: fudcon today! In-Reply-To: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1128568795.13582.11.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> /me wishes this meeting time was more australian-friendly... (GMT+10) On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 13:00 +1000, Colin Charles wrote: > So, its FUDCon time > > Will we have quorum for a meeting? > > Usual time, at #fedora-mktg > > Respond please. -- -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From marc.w at smlintl.com.au Thu Oct 6 03:33:03 2005 From: marc.w at smlintl.com.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:33:03 +0800 Subject: fudcon today! In-Reply-To: <1128568795.13582.11.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <1128568795.13582.11.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1128569583.6113.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> GMT + 8 for me :) I will be around depends on how I'm feeling. Regards, Marc On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 13:19 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > /me wishes this meeting time was more australian-friendly... (GMT+10) > > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 13:00 +1000, Colin Charles wrote: > > So, its FUDCon time > > > > Will we have quorum for a meeting? > > > > Usual time, at #fedora-mktg > > > > Respond please. From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Oct 6 04:28:27 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:28:27 -0500 Subject: fedora live cd In-Reply-To: <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4344A7EB.70308@n-man.com> David Barzilay wrote: >sorry. > >i meant fedora core 4 live cd... > >On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > > >>hi all, >> >>do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios >>(http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? >> >>thx in advance! >> >>best, >>-- >>David Barzilay >> >>-- >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> You might also want to see the Derived Distributions wiki page (WIP) at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions It is just a work-in-progress, but the eventual goal is for it to be a central tracking location for the many distributions based upon Fedora. Tejas and Rahul have been working on this, and have started with the CD distros. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Oct 6 04:32:07 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:32:07 -0500 Subject: fudcon today! In-Reply-To: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <4344A8C7.8020201@n-man.com> Colin Charles wrote: >So, its FUDCon time > >Will we have quorum for a meeting? > >Usual time, at #fedora-mktg > >Respond please. > > I am going to try to be around, but I might be late. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From barzilay at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 04:34:28 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:34:28 +1000 Subject: fedora live cd In-Reply-To: <4344A7EB.70308@n-man.com> References: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <4344A7EB.70308@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1128573268.13582.30.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> thanks, patrick! but wd be gr8 to know about a fc4 live cd. there's a member of the Brazilian translation community willing to use this sort of material to promote fc in local universities... On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 23:28 -0500, Patrick Barnes wrote: > David Barzilay wrote: > > >sorry. > > > >i meant fedora core 4 live cd... > > > >On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > > > > > >>hi all, > >> > >>do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios > >>(http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? > >> > >>thx in advance! > >> > >>best, > >>-- > >>David Barzilay > >> > >>-- > >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > >> > >> > You might also want to see the Derived Distributions wiki page (WIP) at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions > > It is just a work-in-progress, but the eventual goal is for it to be a > central tracking location for the many distributions based upon Fedora. > Tejas and Rahul have been working on this, and have started with the CD > distros. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > www.n-man.com > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From romttrom at ybb.ne.jp Thu Oct 6 10:22:43 2005 From: romttrom at ybb.ne.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:22:43 +0900 Subject: fedora live cd In-Reply-To: <1128573268.13582.30.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128564572.13582.3.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1128564785.13582.5.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <4344A7EB.70308@n-man.com> <1128573268.13582.30.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4344FAF3.8060900@ybb.ne.jp> Hi, Berry Linux is based on Fedora Core 4. However it's only available with English and Japanese. http://yui.mine.nu/linux/eberry.html Regards, Yoshihiro David Barzilay wrote: > thanks, patrick! > > but wd be gr8 to know about a fc4 live cd. > > there's a member of the Brazilian translation community willing to use > this sort of material to promote fc in local universities... > > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 23:28 -0500, Patrick Barnes wrote: > >>David Barzilay wrote: >> >> >>>sorry. >>> >>>i meant fedora core 4 live cd... >>> >>>On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi all, >>>> >>>>do u guys know of any fedora live cd project, besides adios >>>>(http://dc.qut.edu.au/adios/adios-project.html ) ? >>>> >>>>thx in advance! >>>> >>>>best, >>>>-- >>>>David Barzilay >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>>> >> >>You might also want to see the Derived Distributions wiki page (WIP) at: >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions >> >>It is just a work-in-progress, but the eventual goal is for it to be a >>central tracking location for the many distributions based upon Fedora. >>Tejas and Rahul have been working on this, and have started with the CD >>distros. >> >>-- >>Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes >>nman64 at n-man.com >> >>www.n-man.com >>-- >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 6 14:18:18 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:18:18 +1000 Subject: fudcon today! In-Reply-To: <1128568795.13582.11.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1128567633.3092.290.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <1128568795.13582.11.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1128608298.3092.334.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 13:19 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > /me wishes this meeting time was more australian-friendly... (GMT+10) In hindsight, so do I. I was in San Francisco when the first meeting happened, and the time there was 8am. I dunno if folk like Karsten are willing to wake up any earlier Its 1am for me as well... -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Oct 6 15:53:58 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:53:58 -0500 Subject: Meeting Time Message-ID: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> I wanted to start a discussion regarding the regular meeting time. It seems hard for a lot of people to make the current meeting time. For several people, it is late at night. For others, it is early in the morning. For me, it conflicts with my morning commute. Perhaps we can come up with a time that is a little easier for the majority of our participants. In the few samples I've outlined below, I'm mostly focusing on keeping the time acceptable to people in Australia and the United States, as it seems that most of our participants are in one of those two nations. So, here's what we have (daylight savings accounted for): 18:00 UTC 01:00 Eastern Australia 11:00 Eastern U.S. 10:00 Central U.S. 8:00 Western U.S. 16:00 London Some other options: This one is my personal favorite. It keeps the time from being too late or too early for most of our participants. This might have some conflicts, though. 01:00 UTC 08:00 Eastern Australia - A little early 18:00 Eastern U.S. - Everyone at home? 17:00 Central U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day 15:00 Western U.S. - Middle of the afternoon, any conflicts? 23:00 London - A bit late, but not unbearable This one creates a conflict for me, but I might be able to fix that. Otherwise, it is a lot like to first one. 03:00 UTC 10:00 Eastern Australia - Good time of the morning, conflicting for anyone? 20:00 Eastern U.S. - In the evening, shouldn't be any sever conflicts, right? 19:00 Central U.S. - Conflicts with my evening commute, but I might be able to shuffle. Everyone else at home? 17:00 Western U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day 01:00 London - Feeling what Australia knows so well This one is a bit mean to London, but might work well for most of everyone else. No matter what, there will be people who can't make the meetings because it is in the middle of the night, but do we want the E.U. to be those people? 06:00 UTC 13:00 Eastern Australia - Everyone back from lunch? 23:00 Eastern U.S. - Are the folks at RH HQ up this late? I suspect they are. ;-) 22:00 Central U.S. - Not a problem for me. Anyone else going to complain? 20:00 Western U.S. - Is the evening okay for California? 04:00 London - Okay, this I can see being a problem for a few folks. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jwulf at redhat.com Thu Oct 6 22:31:20 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:31:20 +1000 Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> Message-ID: <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> Patrick Barnes wrote: >I wanted to start a discussion regarding the regular meeting time. It >seems hard for a lot of people to make the current meeting time. For >several people, it is late at night. For others, it is early in the >morning. For me, it conflicts with my morning commute. Perhaps we can >come up with a time that is a little easier for the majority of our >participants. In the few samples I've outlined below, I'm mostly >focusing on keeping the time acceptable to people in Australia and the >United States, as it seems that most of our participants are in one of >those two nations. > >So, here's what we have (daylight savings accounted for): >18:00 UTC >01:00 Eastern Australia >11:00 Eastern U.S. >10:00 Central U.S. >8:00 Western U.S. >16:00 London > >Some other options: >This one is my personal favorite. It keeps the time from being too late >or too early for most of our participants. This might have some >conflicts, though. >01:00 UTC >08:00 Eastern Australia - A little early >18:00 Eastern U.S. - Everyone at home? >17:00 Central U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day >15:00 Western U.S. - Middle of the afternoon, any conflicts? >23:00 London - A bit late, but not unbearable > >This one creates a conflict for me, but I might be able to fix that. >Otherwise, it is a lot like to first one. >03:00 UTC >10:00 Eastern Australia - Good time of the morning, conflicting for anyone? >20:00 Eastern U.S. - In the evening, shouldn't be any sever conflicts, >right? >19:00 Central U.S. - Conflicts with my evening commute, but I might be >able to shuffle. Everyone else at home? >17:00 Western U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day >01:00 London - Feeling what Australia knows so well > >This one is a bit mean to London, but might work well for most of >everyone else. No matter what, there will be people who can't make the >meetings because it is in the middle of the night, but do we want the >E.U. to be those people? >06:00 UTC >13:00 Eastern Australia - Everyone back from lunch? >23:00 Eastern U.S. - Are the folks at RH HQ up this late? I suspect >they are. ;-) >22:00 Central U.S. - Not a problem for me. Anyone else going to complain? >20:00 Western U.S. - Is the evening okay for California? >04:00 London - Okay, this I can see being a problem for a few folks. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- >Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I'm good with any of those. The meetings I have made it to I haven't said anything - partially because I'm still lurking, partly because at that unholy hour of the night (1 am) my brain is barely functioning... --josh From barzilay at redhat.com Fri Oct 7 01:32:25 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:32:25 +1000 Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> My vote goes for: >03:00 UTC >10:00 Eastern Australia - Good time of the morning, conflicting for anyone? >20:00 Eastern U.S. - In the evening, shouldn't be any sever conflicts, >right? >19:00 Central U.S. - Conflicts with my evening commute, but I might be >able to shuffle. Everyone else at home? >17:00 Western U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day >01:00 London - Feeling what Australia knows so well option 2 wd be: >01:00 UTC >08:00 Eastern Australia - A little early >18:00 Eastern U.S. - Everyone at home? >17:00 Central U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day >15:00 Western U.S. - Middle of the afternoon, any conflicts? >23:00 London - A bit late, but not unbearable cheers, dave From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:47:06 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:47:06 +0200 Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510070947j3b52b184wa06f8d4ec668af5e@mail.gmail.com> My 2c: London time is one hour behind Central European time, which makes it one hour later for all the folks on the continent, like yours truly. So my vote goes for: 18:00 UTC 01:00 Eastern Australia 11:00 Eastern U.S. 10:00 Central U.S. 8:00 Western U.S. 16:00 London a On 10/7/05, David Barzilay wrote: > My vote goes for: > > >03:00 UTC > >10:00 Eastern Australia - Good time of the morning, conflicting for > anyone? > >20:00 Eastern U.S. - In the evening, shouldn't be any sever conflicts, > >right? > >19:00 Central U.S. - Conflicts with my evening commute, but I might be > >able to shuffle. Everyone else at home? > >17:00 Western U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day > >01:00 London - Feeling what Australia knows so well > > option 2 wd be: > > >01:00 UTC > >08:00 Eastern Australia - A little early > >18:00 Eastern U.S. - Everyone at home? > >17:00 Central U.S. - Nearing the end of the work day > >15:00 Western U.S. - Middle of the afternoon, any conflicts? > >23:00 London - A bit late, but not unbearable > > cheers, > dave > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Visit FUDCon London 2005 http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Oct 10 23:59:25 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:29:25 +0530 Subject: Fedora CD Labels Message-ID: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> Hi Looks several people in the Fedora community have been creating CD Labels everywhere http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1880&page=1&pp=15&highlight=logos Just some of the links below http://www.dalive.com/dalug/fedora/cdart.php http://www.logicalnetworking.net/other/FedoraCore_CDLabels.jpg http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1871/newfedoracdcopy2lt.jpg http://midearth.wva.net/ I am contacting everyone together and copying the list regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 00:02:41 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:32:41 +0530 Subject: Community Fedora CD Labels Message-ID: <434B0121.7090603@redhat.com> Hi I came across your effort in creating CD/DVD Labels for Fedora in a posting on the Fedora Forum. http://midearth.wva.net/ Fedora Marketing project works on evangelising the Fedora Project and it would be nice if you can coordinate your efforts with the group. In particular we are working on creating a new Fedora Logo (current one is what you see on the splash screens) and also a media kit for distributions amoung various other sub projects. You can look at our current efforts here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas Consider it as a invitation on the behalf of the project and feel free to participate in it regards Rahul From barzilay at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 01:04:24 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:04:24 +1000 Subject: Fedora CD Labels In-Reply-To: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> References: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1128992665.4114.4.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> this is wicked http://www.dalive.com/dalug/fedora/cdart.php congrats to the dalug guys! On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 05:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Looks several people in the Fedora community have been creating CD > Labels everywhere > > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1880&page=1&pp=15&highlight=logos > > Just some of the links below > > http://www.dalive.com/dalug/fedora/cdart.php > http://www.logicalnetworking.net/other/FedoraCore_CDLabels.jpg > http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1871/newfedoracdcopy2lt.jpg > http://midearth.wva.net/ > > I am contacting everyone together and copying the list > > regards > Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 01:09:26 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:39:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora CD Labels In-Reply-To: <1128992665.4114.4.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> <1128992665.4114.4.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <434B10C6.8080101@redhat.com> David Barzilay wrote: >this is wicked http://www.dalive.com/dalug/fedora/cdart.php > >congrats to the dalug guys! > > If anyone is associated with these people or the rest of the community producing such artwork, do invite them to join the marketing team here. regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 01:33:08 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:03:08 +0530 Subject: Linux (Fedora) stars in MS movie. Fedora deployments page? Message-ID: <434B1654.1030802@redhat.com> Hi http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3437625a28,00.html "Weta Digital uses more than 1000 dual-processor IBM blade servers running the Fedora version of the Red Hat distribution of the Linux to produce special effects for movies that have so far included Lord of the Rings and King Kong." Anyone interested in collecting information on several such places where Fedora is being used or deployed in our wiki? regards Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 01:42:28 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:42:28 -0400 Subject: Linux (Fedora) stars in MS movie. Fedora deployments page? In-Reply-To: <434B1654.1030802@redhat.com> References: <434B1654.1030802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910510101842x22f8b200r77d549246d1a0fe8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/10/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3437625a28,00.html > > "Weta Digital uses more than 1000 dual-processor IBM blade servers > running the Fedora version of the Red Hat distribution of the Linux to > produce special effects for movies that have so far included Lord of the > Rings and King Kong." Now that is the sort of thing I love seeing. Think there is anyway we could get Weta to talk about what they like about Fedora? Now if we could only get Wil Wheaton to use fedora as a desktop -jef From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 01:45:39 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:15:39 +0530 Subject: Linux (Fedora) stars in MS movie. Fedora deployments page? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910510101842x22f8b200r77d549246d1a0fe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <434B1654.1030802@redhat.com> <604aa7910510101842x22f8b200r77d549246d1a0fe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434B1943.9090600@redhat.com> Hi >Now that is the sort of thing I love seeing. Think there is anyway we >could get Weta to talk about what they like about Fedora? Now if we >could only get Wil Wheaton to use fedora as a desktop > > Lets discuss this in our next meet. It would useful to do such interviews for Red Hat Magazine too regards Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 11 05:56:13 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:56:13 +0300 Subject: Fedora CD Labels In-Reply-To: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> References: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <434B53FD.9000008@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Looks several people in the Fedora community have been creating CD > Labels everywhere What is the status of the logo and wordmark? Those are absolute requirements before someone can even think about creating a label. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 14:07:59 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux (Fedora) stars in MS movie. Fedora deployments page? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910510101842x22f8b200r77d549246d1a0fe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <434B1654.1030802@redhat.com> <604aa7910510101842x22f8b200r77d549246d1a0fe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 10/10/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3437625a28,00.html > > > > "Weta Digital uses more than 1000 dual-processor IBM blade servers > > running the Fedora version of the Red Hat distribution of the Linux to > > produce special effects for movies that have so far included Lord of the > > Rings and King Kong." > > Now that is the sort of thing I love seeing. Also an opportunity for Red Hat to upsell these folks, heh. > Think there is anyway we could get Weta to talk about what they like > about Fedora? Now if we could only get Wil Wheaton to use fedora as a > desktop He owes us one for coming down with mono when he should have been keynoting at the Red Hat Summit. Thoughtless bastard. ;-) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 11 14:09:42 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora CD Labels In-Reply-To: <434B53FD.9000008@nicubunu.ro> References: <434B005D.5000000@redhat.com> <434B53FD.9000008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Pending. There's some good stuff going on. In particular, we've taken the notion of using a free font to heart, and we're working hard on some stuff in that regard -- no promises, but I'm hopeful. I'll give details as I get them. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Looks several people in the Fedora community have been creating CD > > Labels everywhere > > What is the status of the logo and wordmark? Those are absolute > requirements before someone can even think about creating a label. > > -- > nicu > my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From rlg at wva.net Wed Oct 12 19:24:27 2005 From: rlg at wva.net (Ray Gwinn) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:27 -0400 Subject: CD Labeld Message-ID: <434D2AAB.21183.1B425A@localhost> Rahul, per your invitation, I have joined the mailing list. Ray > Hi > > I came across your effort in creating CD/DVD Labels for Fedora in a > posting on the Fedora Forum. > > http://midearth.wva.net/ > > Fedora Marketing project works on evangelising the Fedora Project and it would > be nice if you can coordinate your efforts with the group. In particular we > are working on creating a new Fedora Logo (current one is what you see on the > splash screens) and also a media kit for distributions amoung various other > sub projects. You can look at our current efforts here. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas > > Consider it as a invitation on the behalf of the project and feel free > to participate in it > > regards > Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Oct 12 19:27:37 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:57:37 +0530 Subject: CD Labeld In-Reply-To: <434D2AAB.21183.1B425A@localhost> References: <434D2AAB.21183.1B425A@localhost> Message-ID: <434D63A9.7060201@redhat.com> Ray Gwinn wrote: >Rahul, per your invitation, I have joined the mailing list. > >Ray > > Welcome. Do let us know your ideas on the labels and any other contributions or oppurtunities to expand the current efforts regards Rahul From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 13 08:59:16 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:59:16 +1000 Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510070947j3b52b184wa06f8d4ec668af5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <7f617d270510070947j3b52b184wa06f8d4ec668af5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129193956.32174.237.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 18:47 +0200, Alex Maier wrote: > 18:00 UTC So do we want to try 18:00UTC this week? Thats 04:00 Friday, in Melbourne (UTC+10) fwiw. Joshua will still have to be up at an unholy hour (I should already have been up for an hour :P) -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From rlg at wva.net Thu Oct 13 14:04:15 2005 From: rlg at wva.net (Ray Gwinn) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:15 -0400 Subject: CD Labels In-Reply-To: <434D63A9.7060201@redhat.com> References: <434D2AAB.21183.1B425A@localhost> Message-ID: <434E311F.1212.D7F79@localhost> Rahul, I corrected the typo in the subject, which will probably start a different thread. My ideas for CD/DVD labels are posted at http://midearth.wva.net. I am open to suggested changes from anyone. The labels I created are a collage of images and text, so it is relatively easy to make changes. Ray > > > Welcome. Do let us know your ideas on the labels and any other > contributions or oppurtunities to expand the current efforts > > regards > Rahul From marc.w at smlintl.com.au Thu Oct 13 14:59:37 2005 From: marc.w at smlintl.com.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:59:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <1129193956.32174.237.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <7f617d270510070947j3b52b184wa06f8d4ec668af5e@mail.gmail.com> <1129193956.32174.237.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <37622.203.59.15.65.1129215577.squirrel@www.smlintl.com.au> > On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 18:47 +0200, Alex Maier wrote: >> 18:00 UTC > > So do we want to try 18:00UTC this week? > > Thats 04:00 Friday, in Melbourne (UTC+10) fwiw. Your saying 2am my time? omg pass unfortunately theres no way I can get up that early. I'm don't function as it is :) Regards, Marc > > Joshua will still have to be up at an unholy hour (I should already have > been up for an hour :P) > -- > Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From rlg at wva.net Thu Oct 13 15:29:22 2005 From: rlg at wva.net (Ray Gwinn) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:29:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Box art Message-ID: <434E4512.12793.1C7597@localhost> Has anyone else noticed the Fedora box art design at http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/10943151/ Ray From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 13 15:50:15 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:50:15 +1000 Subject: Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <37622.203.59.15.65.1129215577.squirrel@www.smlintl.com.au> References: <43454896.2040001@n-man.com> <4345A5B8.1090904@redhat.com> <1128648745.4609.13.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <7f617d270510070947j3b52b184wa06f8d4ec668af5e@mail.gmail.com> <1129193956.32174.237.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <37622.203.59.15.65.1129215577.squirrel@www.smlintl.com.au> Message-ID: <1129218615.32174.285.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 22:59 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > >> 18:00 UTC > > > > So do we want to try 18:00UTC this week? > > > > Thats 04:00 Friday, in Melbourne (UTC+10) fwiw. > > Your saying 2am my time? omg pass unfortunately theres no way I can > get > up that early. I'm don't function as it is :) I'm not, that was alex's suggestion :) I for some reason seem to wanna function at weird hours -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From marc.w at smlintl.com.au Fri Oct 14 01:05:22 2005 From: marc.w at smlintl.com.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:05:22 +0800 Subject: Fedora Box art In-Reply-To: <434E4512.12793.1C7597@localhost> References: <434E4512.12793.1C7597@localhost> Message-ID: <1129251923.25797.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> That looks really nice actually. I'm surprised that there isn't one of this on the Fedora website anywhere. Marc On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 11:29 -0400, Ray Gwinn wrote: > Has anyone else noticed the Fedora box art design at > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/10943151/ > > Ray > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From romttrom at ybb.ne.jp Sat Oct 15 12:39:40 2005 From: romttrom at ybb.ne.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:39:40 +0900 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser Message-ID: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> Hi, This mail is just to inform you that fedora project wiki has a problem showing front page of the wiki with Japanese localised browsers. Localized browser shows the below page, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/%e3%83%95%e3%83%ad%e3%83%b3%e3%83%88%e3%83%9a%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8 instead of correct http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrontPage I submitted on bugzilla. (This is the first time I am submitting a bug, so please forgive me of awful title...) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=170892 If possible, could you please fix this bug before abolishing fedora.redhat.com, otherwise many Japanese will think Fedora web page is hacked or dead. Localized browsers are in IE in Windows and Firefox in Fedora with Japanese language as a default. Thank you in advance! Regards, Yoshihiro Totaka From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Oct 15 18:34:06 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:34:06 -0500 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> Message-ID: <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> Yoshihiro Totaka wrote: > Hi, > > This mail is just to inform you that fedora project wiki has a problem > showing front page of the wiki with Japanese localised browsers. > > Localized browser shows the below page, > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/%e3%83%95%e3%83%ad%e3%83%b3%e3%83%88%e3%83%9a%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8 > > instead of correct > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrontPage > > I submitted on bugzilla. (This is the first time I am submitting a > bug, so please forgive me of awful title...) > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=170892 > > If possible, could you please fix this bug before abolishing > fedora.redhat.com, otherwise many Japanese will think Fedora web page > is hacked or dead. Localized browsers are in IE in Windows and Firefox > in Fedora with Japanese language as a default. > > Thank you in advance! > > Regards, > Yoshihiro Totaka This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is already underway to remedy this. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 18:52:16 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:52:16 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910510151152y6bfc8a5fi8feab7a075e791d9@mail.gmail.com> On 10/15/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, > the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to > translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. > It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is > already underway to remedy this. Deeper question... Problems with the wiki, both in terms of content and how it operates... should be reported where? -jef From romttrom at ybb.ne.jp Sat Oct 15 21:45:20 2005 From: romttrom at ybb.ne.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:45:20 +0900 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> Message-ID: <43517870.7060909@ybb.ne.jp> Dear Patrick, Thanks for working on this issue. It would be great if this problem is fixed before shutting down of fedora.redhat.com. Thank you and Best Regard, Yoshihiro Totaka Patrick Barnes wrote: > Yoshihiro Totaka wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This mail is just to inform you that fedora project wiki has a problem >> showing front page of the wiki with Japanese localised browsers. >> >> Localized browser shows the below page, >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/%e3%83%95%e3%83%ad%e3%83%b3%e3%83%88%e3%83%9a%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b8 >> >> instead of correct >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrontPage >> >> I submitted on bugzilla. (This is the first time I am submitting a >> bug, so please forgive me of awful title...) >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=170892 >> >> If possible, could you please fix this bug before abolishing >> fedora.redhat.com, otherwise many Japanese will think Fedora web page >> is hacked or dead. Localized browsers are in IE in Windows and Firefox >> in Fedora with Japanese language as a default. >> >> Thank you in advance! >> >> Regards, >> Yoshihiro Totaka > > This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, > the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to > translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. > It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is > already underway to remedy this. > From jwulf at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 01:29:32 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:29:32 +1000 Subject: Presentation Card Deck Message-ID: <4352FE7C.1080502@redhat.com> The other day I got a couple of packs of cards - the red deck and the black deck - from sales and marketing at Red Hat. They have frequently asked questions and responses on them for making sales pitches for RHEL. They pretty much r0ck, and are a useful resource. I think it could be quite useful for the cmc program if we had something like that. It's a small deck of cards with the frequently asked questions and important differentiating points for making presentations with clarity and focus. It empowers cmc's to answer inquiries with succinct and correct answers. Especially in a situation where you are being interviewed for web, radio, or television, or even print, the soundbite is king. A pithy, prepared response is essential. --josh From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 06:47:04 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Presentation Card Deck In-Reply-To: <4352FE7C.1080502@redhat.com> References: <4352FE7C.1080502@redhat.com> Message-ID: This is a fantastic idea. And since I work in the next cubicle over from the person responsible for these, I think this might be very doable. Colin, can you add this idea to the schedule for discussion at the next meeting? (Which is when, again, exactly? I think we need an announcement of the next meeting time.) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > The other day I got a couple of packs of cards - the red deck and the > black deck - from sales and marketing at Red Hat. They have frequently > asked questions and responses on them for making sales pitches for RHEL. > They pretty much r0ck, and are a useful resource. > > I think it could be quite useful for the cmc program if we had something > like that. It's a small deck of cards with the frequently asked > questions and important differentiating points for making presentations > with clarity and focus. > > It empowers cmc's to answer inquiries with succinct and correct answers. > Especially in a situation where you are being interviewed for web, > radio, or television, or even print, the soundbite is king. A pithy, > prepared response is essential. > > --josh > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Mon Oct 17 11:07:35 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051017110735.32046.qmail@web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux technologies and Distros but today we never found something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are planning to create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group or something. I'm searching for ideas to use in this conference, as a group, what can we do to publish the OS? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 19:30:01 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon London 2005: Analysis Message-ID: Nice FUDCon. Well prepared and well executed. Decent walk up traffic. Good names and good presentations. And yet... not really that remarkable. So after it was all done, and I was stuck in London for a couple of days, feeling a nasty cold coming on, I sat at the hotel bar drinking gin and tonics (healthful, don't you know). I sat and thought about why the first two FUDCons had an energy that this FUDCon seemed to lack. After writing some notes and chatting with some other folks, I boiled my discomfort down to five points that, imho, should guide our policy for holding events in the future. I'm anxious to hear your feedback. Hit me with both barrels. --- 1. PAY FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR PLACES. We need to get good community contributors to FUDCons, by hook or by crook. We spent a pretty sizable chunk of change to buy space at LWCE London. It was the majority of our budget, and left very little for travel stipends. At FUDCons 1 and 2, we had community representatives present, with Red Hat paying the tab. At FUDCon London, we did not. The difference was very clear. Therefore, paying for space should be something we do as a last resort, and we should pay as little as possible. If we hold the event under tents in a parking lot, and have the right people there, it'll be a success. 2. READ-WRITE, NOT READ-ONLY. This relates to 1. One of the reasons it wasn't more read-write was because we didn't have enough community contributors present. It was great to see Stuart Ellis of the docs project, but aside from him and some Redhatters, the pickings were pretty slim -- and not only that, but there were no chances for attendees to *participate* in any real way. I believe that we need to have a hackfest of some kind at the next FUDCon; I think it's imperative. We're ready to go to the next level. 3. ONE FUDCON PER YEAR PER GEO. I think that having two FUDCons so close to one another -- Germany in June, England in October -- sapped the energy of the London show. I think that a lot of people probably opted out because they'd already been to the show at LinuxTag, and saw no need to go again. One show in North America, one in Europe, one in Asia/Australia. I think that's a good plan. 4. GEEKS, NOT SUITS. FUDCon 1 was held *near* LWCE Boston in February, but the real show happened at BU, and got a lot of geeks. FUDCon 2 at Karlsuhe was in the middle of LinuxTag, which is very much a geek show. FUDCon London 2005 happened in the middle of a show for suits. The difference in the vibe was tangible. 5. ONE PERSON AT EVERY SHOW. If there's one real goal that we should set for the CMC program, it would be to have a Fedora CMC at every important Linux show in the world. If we can manage that, we will be able to claim success. What do we need to do to accomplish that goal? We need: + A schedule of all important events with .org pavilions. + A way for volunteers to sign up. + Funds to help pay people's way, if necessary. + Materials in the hands of every volunteer, well in advance: DVDs, marketing materials, etc., etc. We should probably be using the weekly marketing meeting (and when is that, again?) to be getting an update on the status of this effort. It may be the most important thing we can be doing as a group right now. --- So that's my take. I'd love to hear your thoughts. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From shiser at cloud9.net Mon Oct 17 19:44:17 2005 From: shiser at cloud9.net (Sam Hiser) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:44:17 -0400 Subject: FUDCon London 2005: Analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1129578257.15324.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greg- I would suggest that alongside micro issues internal to any single FUDCon you consider the macro environment for Open Source & Free Software communities and products. While cons of all sorts were of a type during the early-to-mid growth, they would be of a different type to succeed as the word gets out to the general populations on FLOSS. Very different types of people and very different types of information. My own problem with committing time and resources to even LinuxWorld these days is that we are still within a little black box all talking to eachother when the necessary communication needs to go outward to the folks outside the black box. Now that they have pricked their ears (Massachusetts, Australian Nat'l Archive, Munich et al) what do we have for them? Just some thoughts... -Sam Hiser On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 15:30 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Nice FUDCon. Well prepared and well executed. Decent walk up traffic. > Good names and good presentations. And yet... not really that remarkable. > > So after it was all done, and I was stuck in London for a couple of days, > feeling a nasty cold coming on, I sat at the hotel bar drinking gin and > tonics (healthful, don't you know). I sat and thought about why the first > two FUDCons had an energy that this FUDCon seemed to lack. > > After writing some notes and chatting with some other folks, I boiled my > discomfort down to five points that, imho, should guide our policy for > holding events in the future. > > I'm anxious to hear your feedback. Hit me with both barrels. > > --- > > 1. PAY FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR PLACES. We need to get good community > contributors to FUDCons, by hook or by crook. We spent a pretty sizable > chunk of change to buy space at LWCE London. It was the majority of our > budget, and left very little for travel stipends. At FUDCons 1 and 2, we > had community representatives present, with Red Hat paying the tab. At > FUDCon London, we did not. The difference was very clear. Therefore, > paying for space should be something we do as a last resort, and we should > pay as little as possible. If we hold the event under tents in a parking > lot, and have the right people there, it'll be a success. > > 2. READ-WRITE, NOT READ-ONLY. This relates to 1. One of the reasons it > wasn't more read-write was because we didn't have enough community > contributors present. It was great to see Stuart Ellis of the docs > project, but aside from him and some Redhatters, the pickings were pretty > slim -- and not only that, but there were no chances for attendees to > *participate* in any real way. I believe that we need to have a hackfest > of some kind at the next FUDCon; I think it's imperative. We're ready to > go to the next level. > > 3. ONE FUDCON PER YEAR PER GEO. I think that having two FUDCons so close > to one another -- Germany in June, England in October -- sapped the energy > of the London show. I think that a lot of people probably opted out > because they'd already been to the show at LinuxTag, and saw no need to go > again. One show in North America, one in Europe, one in Asia/Australia. > I think that's a good plan. > > 4. GEEKS, NOT SUITS. FUDCon 1 was held *near* LWCE Boston in February, > but the real show happened at BU, and got a lot of geeks. FUDCon 2 at > Karlsuhe was in the middle of LinuxTag, which is very much a geek show. > FUDCon London 2005 happened in the middle of a show for suits. The > difference in the vibe was tangible. > > 5. ONE PERSON AT EVERY SHOW. If there's one real goal that we should set > for the CMC program, it would be to have a Fedora CMC at every important > Linux show in the world. If we can manage that, we will be able to claim > success. What do we need to do to accomplish that goal? We need: > > + A schedule of all important events with .org pavilions. > + A way for volunteers to sign up. > + Funds to help pay people's way, if necessary. > + Materials in the hands of every volunteer, well in advance: DVDs, > marketing materials, etc., etc. > > We should probably be using the weekly marketing meeting (and when is > that, again?) to be getting an update on the status of this effort. It > may be the most important thing we can be doing as a group right now. > > --- > > So that's my take. I'd love to hear your thoughts. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 19:47:18 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FUDCon London 2005: Analysis In-Reply-To: <1129578257.15324.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129578257.15324.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: > My own problem with committing time and resources to even LinuxWorld > these days is that we are still within a little black box all talking to > eachother when the necessary communication needs to go outward to the > folks outside the black box. Now that they have pricked their ears > (Massachusetts, Australian Nat'l Archive, Munich et al) what do we have > for them? Excellent point. We've got to go where there are people, and there are people at shows. Big bang for the buck. Now, maybe it's a mistake to assume that the right shows are "Linux shows". We should probably be looking to put well-informed individuals in all kinds of shows -- about security, government, music, voting, healthcare, poverty. Anyplace where the open source message could resonate and have an effect. Of course, without the proper materials and messaging, there's not a lot of point in sending people. We don't want to say, "Fedora is cool." We want to be able to say, "Fedora is a great way for you to experience the power of open source. Open source is important to what *you* do because of x, y and z." Figuring out x, y and z is, of course, the hard part. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > Just some thoughts... > -Sam Hiser > > On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 15:30 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Nice FUDCon. Well prepared and well executed. Decent walk up traffic. > > Good names and good presentations. And yet... not really that remarkable. > > > > So after it was all done, and I was stuck in London for a couple of days, > > feeling a nasty cold coming on, I sat at the hotel bar drinking gin and > > tonics (healthful, don't you know). I sat and thought about why the first > > two FUDCons had an energy that this FUDCon seemed to lack. > > > > After writing some notes and chatting with some other folks, I boiled my > > discomfort down to five points that, imho, should guide our policy for > > holding events in the future. > > > > I'm anxious to hear your feedback. Hit me with both barrels. > > > > --- > > > > 1. PAY FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR PLACES. We need to get good community > > contributors to FUDCons, by hook or by crook. We spent a pretty sizable > > chunk of change to buy space at LWCE London. It was the majority of our > > budget, and left very little for travel stipends. At FUDCons 1 and 2, we > > had community representatives present, with Red Hat paying the tab. At > > FUDCon London, we did not. The difference was very clear. Therefore, > > paying for space should be something we do as a last resort, and we should > > pay as little as possible. If we hold the event under tents in a parking > > lot, and have the right people there, it'll be a success. > > > > 2. READ-WRITE, NOT READ-ONLY. This relates to 1. One of the reasons it > > wasn't more read-write was because we didn't have enough community > > contributors present. It was great to see Stuart Ellis of the docs > > project, but aside from him and some Redhatters, the pickings were pretty > > slim -- and not only that, but there were no chances for attendees to > > *participate* in any real way. I believe that we need to have a hackfest > > of some kind at the next FUDCon; I think it's imperative. We're ready to > > go to the next level. > > > > 3. ONE FUDCON PER YEAR PER GEO. I think that having two FUDCons so close > > to one another -- Germany in June, England in October -- sapped the energy > > of the London show. I think that a lot of people probably opted out > > because they'd already been to the show at LinuxTag, and saw no need to go > > again. One show in North America, one in Europe, one in Asia/Australia. > > I think that's a good plan. > > > > 4. GEEKS, NOT SUITS. FUDCon 1 was held *near* LWCE Boston in February, > > but the real show happened at BU, and got a lot of geeks. FUDCon 2 at > > Karlsuhe was in the middle of LinuxTag, which is very much a geek show. > > FUDCon London 2005 happened in the middle of a show for suits. The > > difference in the vibe was tangible. > > > > 5. ONE PERSON AT EVERY SHOW. If there's one real goal that we should set > > for the CMC program, it would be to have a Fedora CMC at every important > > Linux show in the world. If we can manage that, we will be able to claim > > success. What do we need to do to accomplish that goal? We need: > > > > + A schedule of all important events with .org pavilions. > > + A way for volunteers to sign up. > > + Funds to help pay people's way, if necessary. > > + Materials in the hands of every volunteer, well in advance: DVDs, > > marketing materials, etc., etc. > > > > We should probably be using the weekly marketing meeting (and when is > > that, again?) to be getting an update on the status of this effort. It > > may be the most important thing we can be doing as a group right now. > > > > --- > > > > So that's my take. I'd love to hear your thoughts. > > > > --g > > > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 20:17:53 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:17:53 +0200 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051017110735.32046.qmail@web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051017110735.32046.qmail@web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510171317u54921bcbiff10516a7a065bf1@mail.gmail.com> When is the show exactly and where? Do you have a link to their page? Do you have information about the visitor demographics? Who will the attendees mostly be? And most important -- What help would you need to represent Fedora at this show? Alex On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Guys, > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > technologies and Distros but today we never found > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are planning to > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group or > something. > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this conference, as > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Oct 17 20:35:13 2005 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:35:13 -0700 Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? Message-ID: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> Looking and thinking to the future, do we want to do another Boston based FUDCon to coincide with LWCE: Boston 2006? -- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 20:41:50 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? In-Reply-To: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> References: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> Message-ID: Yes, I believe we do. In question at this point: will the next FUDCon be in Boston, or is there potential to have one in India before then? My guess: we may up participating in an event in India, though it may not bear the FUDCon label. Yet. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Jesse Keating wrote: > Looking and thinking to the future, do we want to do another Boston > based FUDCon to coincide with LWCE: Boston 2006? > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedoralegacy.org) > GPG Public Key > (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From paulds at bu.edu Mon Oct 17 21:26:34 2005 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:26:34 -0400 Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? In-Reply-To: References: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> Message-ID: <20051017212634.GA1617@prozac.horde.com> > > Looking and thinking to the future, do we want to do another Boston > > based FUDCon to coincide with LWCE: Boston 2006? > Yes, I believe we do. FWIW, the consensus here at BU was that the first one was a big success, and I anticipate that we would be interested in hosting the event again next year if people want to come. -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 21:30:21 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? In-Reply-To: <20051017212634.GA1617@prozac.horde.com> References: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> <20051017212634.GA1617@prozac.horde.com> Message-ID: Paul, If we're going to do Boston, I can't imagine having it anywhere else. With several months of *actual* notice, who knows how good it could be? :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > > Looking and thinking to the future, do we want to do another Boston > > > based FUDCon to coincide with LWCE: Boston 2006? > > Yes, I believe we do. > > FWIW, the consensus here at BU was that the first one was a big success, and > I anticipate that we would be interested in hosting the event again next > year if people want to come. > > -- > Paul Stauffer > Manager of Research Computing > Computer Science Department > Boston University > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From shiser at cloud9.net Mon Oct 17 21:43:53 2005 From: shiser at cloud9.net (Sam Hiser) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:43:53 -0400 Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? In-Reply-To: References: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> <20051017212634.GA1617@prozac.horde.com> Message-ID: <1129585433.16505.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Relative to the earlier thread about Conf's, a BU type thing has lots of synergies and would cost less -- then emphasis can be on the people as Greg was saying. -Sam On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 17:30 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Paul, > > If we're going to do Boston, I can't imagine having it anywhere else. > With several months of *actual* notice, who knows how good it could be? > :) > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > > > > Looking and thinking to the future, do we want to do another Boston > > > > based FUDCon to coincide with LWCE: Boston 2006? > > > Yes, I believe we do. > > > > FWIW, the consensus here at BU was that the first one was a big success, and > > I anticipate that we would be interested in hosting the event again next > > year if people want to come. > > > > -- > > Paul Stauffer > > Manager of Research Computing > > Computer Science Department > > Boston University > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From gdk at redhat.com Mon Oct 17 21:43:20 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking forward: FUDCon Boston 2006? In-Reply-To: <1129585433.16505.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129581313.19279.14.camel@prometheus.gamehouse.com> <20051017212634.GA1617@prozac.horde.com> <1129585433.16505.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: > Relative to the earlier thread about Conf's, a BU type thing has lots of > synergies and would cost less -- then emphasis can be on the people as > Greg was saying. > > -Sam Yep. In fact, it was the model for our initial success. Just going back to what works the best. :) Makes me wonder if we should be having smaller university-based events on a more-or-less continual basis. Although it's pretty tricky to make that work. Requires a lot of hands. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From barzilay at redhat.com Tue Oct 18 01:49:16 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:49:16 +1000 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide Message-ID: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi Folks, There are a lot of well-intended people here, so allow me to suggest a more organized approach towards the subject matter, then we can optimize our resources. Let start from the beginning! We gotta be able to respond some basic questions: 1) APPEALS: what are FC's appeals? reduced IT costs (software, hardware), collaborative work philosophy, reliability, bleeding-edge technology...., reducing digital divide.... Who can benefit from these? 2) TARGET: who should we promote FC to? There might be two or more different audiences here, interested in different sort of benefits i.e. developing countries decision makers, the computer-savvy masses, secondary school, lobbyists, IT students.... What do we know about them? If we have more than one defined audience, we might consider splitting the next questions, and having different strategies for each. 3) OPPORTUNITIES to meet with target(s) in appealing occasions: local user groups meetings, events, partnerships with universities, seminars, open source projects, govmt events, etc Questions: What are the commonalities between "the opportunity" and FC? How do we relate FC with "the opportunity" goals? Leverage from there, focusing on the answers for the questions above, and elaborating "tailor-made" material for event. 4) FEDORA-MKTG ORG: a bit of a brainstorming here... Obviously, we cannot centralize everything to cover the globe, so maybe CMCs can create their little organizations, specially dedicated to their markets. Local CMCs can organize an effective FC presence in local events in advance, so we make sure they get enough material (as mentioned in an earlier email); can also talk to universities, distribute FC LiveCDs, invite more people to take part on open source projects, talk to teachers......organize LUGs.... Responsibilities can be shared among local organizations i.e. one looks after events, another looks after local universities, a third might lobby with govmt, a fourth might look after the Fedora users website in his language... Let's take the collaborative work spirit to the Marketing field! Thoughts? -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From rlg at wva.net Tue Oct 18 03:29:50 2005 From: rlg at wva.net (Ray Gwinn) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:29:50 -0400 Subject: SIO author? In-Reply-To: <4353E4C6.7020404@os-tools.com> Message-ID: <435433EE.27560.489AB@localhost> Yes! Ray On 17 Oct 2005 at 10:52, Emmett Culley wrote: > Ray, > > Are you the author of SIO for OS/2? > > Emmett From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 18 07:56:03 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:56:03 -0700 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <604aa7910510151152y6bfc8a5fi8feab7a075e791d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> <604aa7910510151152y6bfc8a5fi8feab7a075e791d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129622163.18168.161.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 14:52 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 10/15/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, > > the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to > > translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. > > It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is > > already underway to remedy this. > > Deeper question... > Problems with the wiki, both in terms of content and how it > operates... should be reported where? There is now[1] a component in bugzilla: Fedora Documentation > fedora-websites All bugs for all formal Fedora websites should use this component. For now, I volunteered Patrick as the initial assigned person ;-D, and put myself in as QA. Does this make sense? Patrick, objections? Does anyone want to be on the initial Cc: list for this component? Or is there a mailing list or another mechanism that should receive this bug stream? - Karsten [1] (or will be when some cron script runs?) -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 18 08:11:04 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:11:04 -0700 Subject: FUDCon London 2005: Analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1129623064.18168.165.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 15:30 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 1. PAY FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR PLACES. > > 3. ONE FUDCON PER YEAR PER GEO. > > 4. GEEKS, NOT SUITS. It is for these reasons that I would humbly submit the stillborn 'FUDCon San Francisco' to the axe. It seems to me that the energy and best-bang-for-buck are in the East, when it comes to Fedora. Hopefully all of my West Coast homies will jeer up at this point and let me know I'm wrong ... but I think they all moved back East. > 5. ONE PERSON AT EVERY SHOW. Sure. And we can try extra hard to have a booth at the shows such as LWCE-SF, SCALE, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sankar at redhat.com Tue Oct 18 09:20:54 2005 From: sankar at redhat.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:50:54 +0530 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4354BE76.6030504@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Barzilay wrote: > There are a lot of well-intended people here, so allow me to suggest a > more organized approach towards the subject matter, then we can optimize > our resources. > Let's take the collaborative work spirit to the Marketing field! http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam - some ideas can be adopted :) Rgds Sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVL52+g4kmZ76nyERAkJmAJ9ZtKkjAyYnkVbWxGX9Zp1hb18ntACfdsgu ILEhgrPWxPEXLGUDN2IDfDU= =iDp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hballal at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 11:49:43 2005 From: hballal at gmail.com (Hrishikesh Ballal) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:49:43 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <20051018084112.05F9972F36@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051018084112.05F9972F36@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1129636184.2636.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Karsten, I helped with the moinmoin implementation of Diana's design and the redesign of the fedoraproject.org webstie. I can help out with some of the problems with the wiki. I have a bugzilla account. Hrishi > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:56:03 -0700 > From: Karsten Wade > Subject: Re: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <1129622163.18168.161.camel at erato.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 14:52 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On 10/15/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > > This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, > > > the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to > > > translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. > > > It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is > > > already underway to remedy this. > > > > Deeper question... > > Problems with the wiki, both in terms of content and how it > > operates... should be reported where? > > There is now[1] a component in bugzilla: > > Fedora Documentation > fedora-websites > > All bugs for all formal Fedora websites should use this component. > > For now, I volunteered Patrick as the initial assigned person ;-D, and > put myself in as QA. Does this make sense? Patrick, objections? > > Does anyone want to be on the initial Cc: list for this component? Or > is there a mailing list or another mechanism that should receive this > bug stream? > > - Karsten > > [1] (or will be when some cron script runs?) > > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > Red Hat SELinux Guide > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20051018/c7c9da3c/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 13:18:27 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:18:27 -0400 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <1129622163.18168.161.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> <604aa7910510151152y6bfc8a5fi8feab7a075e791d9@mail.gmail.com> <1129622163.18168.161.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910510180618q3172b180nee6b6f5cd6fe45dd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/05, Karsten Wade wrote: > Fedora Documentation > fedora-websites > > All bugs for all formal Fedora websites should use this component. Can there be a clear... enumerated listing...as to what counts as a "formal" site in the definition of that bugzilla component? I guess the fedoraproject.org mainpage and wiki header/footer should have a link back to this "formalized" bugzilla component. -jef"if only we had a servicable trademark that could be used exclusively on formal sites to help distinguish which sites are tracked in the central bugzilla...."spaleta -jef From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 18 14:35:31 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: Ah, I love talking about ideas. :) Comments inline. On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, David Barzilay wrote: > Hi Folks, > > There are a lot of well-intended people here, so allow me to suggest a > more organized approach towards the subject matter, then we can optimize > our resources. > > Let start from the beginning! We gotta be able to respond some basic > questions: > > 1) APPEALS: what are FC's appeals? > reduced IT costs (software, hardware), collaborative work philosophy, > reliability, bleeding-edge technology...., reducing digital divide.... > > Who can benefit from these? > > 2) TARGET: who should we promote FC to? > There might be two or more different audiences here, interested in > different sort of benefits i.e. developing countries decision makers, > the computer-savvy masses, secondary school, lobbyists, IT students.... > > What do we know about them? > > If we have more than one defined audience, we might consider splitting > the next questions, and having different strategies for each. > > 3) OPPORTUNITIES to meet with target(s) in appealing occasions: local > user groups meetings, events, partnerships with universities, seminars, > open source projects, govmt events, etc > > Questions: What are the commonalities between "the opportunity" and FC? > How do we relate FC with "the opportunity" goals? > Leverage from there, focusing on the answers for the questions above, > and elaborating "tailor-made" material for event. I believe in this, but I think we're putting the cart before the horse when we talk about tailor-made collateral. We need a good set of multi-purpose collateral. And we need to get started on this yesterday. :) /me puts his collateral-writing-hat on... > 4) FEDORA-MKTG ORG: a bit of a brainstorming here... > Obviously, we cannot centralize everything to cover the globe, so maybe > CMCs can create their little organizations, specially dedicated to their > markets. > > Local CMCs can organize an effective FC presence in local events in > advance, so we make sure they get enough material (as mentioned in an > earlier email); can also talk to universities, distribute FC LiveCDs, > invite more people to take part on open source projects, talk to > teachers......organize LUGs.... > > Responsibilities can be shared among local organizations i.e. one looks > after events, another looks after local universities, a third might > lobby with govmt, a fourth might look after the Fedora users website in > his language... Yeah. My concern is that we're putting a lot of weight on the shoulders of the CMCs without giving them much direction. So we need to discuss what we expect out of CMCs, and give them the tools that they'll need to fulfill these expectations. At a very basic level, this is: * Go to LUGs + And say what when they get there? * Go to tradeshows + Running a booth is hard work! * Pass out Fedora DVDs, and maybe collateral; + And where do they get that stuff? * Recruit; + For what projects? * Represent. + Represent what message? > Let's take the collaborative work spirit to the Marketing field! > > Thoughts? > > -- > David Barzilay > Brazilian Portuguese > Technical Translator > Red Hat Asia-Pacific > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Oct 18 16:59:12 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:59:12 -0500 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <1129622163.18168.161.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4350F88C.4050202@ybb.ne.jp> <43514B9E.20002@n-man.com> <604aa7910510151152y6bfc8a5fi8feab7a075e791d9@mail.gmail.com> <1129622163.18168.161.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <435529E0.4020206@n-man.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 14:52 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On 10/15/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: >> >>> This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, >>> the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to >>> translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. >>> It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is >>> already underway to remedy this. >>> >> Deeper question... >> Problems with the wiki, both in terms of content and how it >> operates... should be reported where? >> > > There is now[1] a component in bugzilla: > > Fedora Documentation > fedora-websites > > All bugs for all formal Fedora websites should use this component. > > For now, I volunteered Patrick as the initial assigned person ;-D, and > put myself in as QA. Does this make sense? Patrick, objections? > No objections. > Does anyone want to be on the initial Cc: list for this component? Or > is there a mailing list or another mechanism that should receive this > bug stream? > No mechanisms that I can think of. Do we need one? > - Karsten > > [1] (or will be when some cron script runs?) > -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 19:36:06 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:36:06 +0200 Subject: Promoting Fedora events Message-ID: <7f617d270510181236x327f1683l72e5999a250190c7@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, I am expanding the CMC section and filling it with resources that CMCs can use with minimal effort -- such as boilerplate text for LUG or FUDCon promotion, or a standard note to the mailing list about a LUG meeting. The idea behind this prefab text repository is to help the folks who might want to help, but have trouble or are hesitating to articulate themselves in writing, by providing them with templates they can edit to fit their purpose. If you have written something like this in the past, please do one of the two: 1. forward your message to me 2. edit the message to be generic and forward it to me then, saving me hours of work :) Please respond off-list to alex at fedoraproject.org Thanks, a -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 18 23:47:59 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:47:59 +1000 Subject: Meetings Message-ID: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Ok, here's a proposal since last week's attendance while low (we got far) Do we rotate between 15:00 and 18:00 UTC on a weekly basis? As the project grows, this will enable *more* people from around the world to attend. I don't expect everyone to attend every meeting, but with a varying timescale, it can be better Thoughts? And to not confuse folk, we could publish a calendar (webcal), and you can import it into your favourite webcal application (Evolution has good support for this; there are a few webcalendar things, kiko?, and i think iCal defintely supports it if you use OS X, and if you're using Windows, I'm sure there are solutions, like Sunbird (cross-platform) :P) -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From jwulf at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 01:41:43 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:41:43 +1000 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro Message-ID: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We could do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for them both. I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB single CD. R0ck! --josh From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 01:54:53 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> References: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> Message-ID: That's exactly what I'd like to do. However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD. I'm happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora -- but the Single Install CD is another matter. The more I investigate, the more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We could > do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for > them both. > > I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB > single CD. R0ck! > > --josh > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 03:10:50 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:10:50 +1000 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> A few comments of mine below... On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 10:35 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Ah, I love talking about ideas. :) Comments inline. > > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, David Barzilay wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > There are a lot of well-intended people here, so allow me to suggest a > > more organized approach towards the subject matter, then we can optimize > > our resources. > > > > Let start from the beginning! We gotta be able to respond some basic > > questions: > > > > 1) APPEALS: what are FC's appeals? > > reduced IT costs (software, hardware), collaborative work philosophy, > > reliability, bleeding-edge technology...., reducing digital divide.... > > > > Who can benefit from these? > > > > 2) TARGET: who should we promote FC to? > > There might be two or more different audiences here, interested in > > different sort of benefits i.e. developing countries decision makers, > > the computer-savvy masses, secondary school, lobbyists, IT students.... > > > > What do we know about them? > > > > If we have more than one defined audience, we might consider splitting > > the next questions, and having different strategies for each. > > > > 3) OPPORTUNITIES to meet with target(s) in appealing occasions: local > > user groups meetings, events, partnerships with universities, seminars, > > open source projects, govmt events, etc > > > > Questions: What are the commonalities between "the opportunity" and FC? > > How do we relate FC with "the opportunity" goals? > > Leverage from there, focusing on the answers for the questions above, > > and elaborating "tailor-made" material for event. > > I believe in this, but I think we're putting the cart before the horse > when we talk about tailor-made collateral. Of course this would be a step further. That's exactly why I numbered some previous actions above. > We need a good set of > multi-purpose collateral. And we need to get started on this yesterday. > :) Hang on.... where's the horse? Sorry, but I think we need to discuss the strategy that will nurture and empower all communication and marketing actions before, then decide on best media to accomplish it... So why don't we start discussing marketing strategy before media production (i.e. FC LiveCD, mktg material...) Can you help me with these: . What are the goals of fedora-marketing? . Who are we approaching? . How are we approaching the different audiences? . Then: what are the best marketing and communication actions to approach these? > /me puts his collateral-writing-hat on... > > > 4) FEDORA-MKTG ORG: a bit of a brainstorming here... > > Obviously, we cannot centralize everything to cover the globe, so maybe > > CMCs can create their little organizations, specially dedicated to their > > markets. > > > > Local CMCs can organize an effective FC presence in local events in > > advance, so we make sure they get enough material (as mentioned in an > > earlier email); can also talk to universities, distribute FC LiveCDs, > > invite more people to take part on open source projects, talk to > > teachers......organize LUGs.... > > > > Responsibilities can be shared among local organizations i.e. one looks > > after events, another looks after local universities, a third might > > lobby with govmt, a fourth might look after the Fedora users website in > > his language... > > Yeah. My concern is that we're putting a lot of weight on the shoulders > of the CMCs without giving them much direction. So we need to discuss > what we expect out of CMCs, and give them the tools that they'll need to > fulfill these expectations. Agreed! CMCs can also "recruit" other Fedora enthusiasts in their market to share the weight... > At a very basic level, this is: > * Go to LUGs > + And say what when they get there? > * Go to tradeshows > + Running a booth is hard work! > * Pass out Fedora DVDs, and maybe collateral; > + And where do they get that stuff? > * Recruit; > + For what projects? > * Represent. > + Represent what message? As stated before, I do believe that's the time for a proper and professional marketing approach. We got a bunch of community folks eager to make it happen, but our response cannot be that slow anymore! Otherwise, Ubuntu (which has been doing some very smart marketing actions) will beat FC... > > Let's take the collaborative work spirit to the Marketing field! From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 03:35:37 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, David Barzilay wrote: > Can you help me with these: > . What are the goals of fedora-marketing? To come up with ways of encouraging use of, and *participation in*, Fedora projects. Dead simple. > . Who are we approaching? Anyone who's standing in a crowd of three or more people, and doesn't break eye contact with us when we approach them. Like bums, or Amway salesmen. > . How are we approaching the different audiences? > . Then: what are the best marketing and communication actions to > approach these? I don't even think we're at the market segmentation phase. I think we're still at the *basic* messaging phase. See, here's the problem: we're immersed in Fedora, so we make basic assumptions about other people's knowledge that is just wrong. We assume everyone knows that Fedora has this great technical backing and lineage, and they don't. We assume everyone knows that Fedora is libre now and forever, and they don't. We assume everyone knows that Fedora comes out every six months or so, and they don't. We assume everyone knows that Fedora is the most "secure and yet usable" operating system ever invented by man, and they don't. They really don't. What they *think* they know, when they know anything, is that Fedora is what Red Hat shat out when they turned into the debbil. Anyway, we need a better FAQ that is well-positioned and well-advertised. I'm working on it late nights these days, because it's pretty much the most important thing we can get done to start with. CMCs, trade shows, carpet-bombing the planet with FC4 DVDs... none of it matters if Joe Blow asks "why doesn't it play mp3s?" and we don't have a kick-ass answer at the ready. > Agreed! CMCs can also "recruit" other Fedora enthusiasts in their market > to share the weight... I'm starting to thing that the term "CMC" is just not sexy enough. Not at all. Not even close. I'm thinking "Fedora Enthusiasts" or "Fedora Evangelists" or "Fedora Heralds" or "Fedora Messengers" or "Fedora Advocates" or "Fedora Champions". Anything but "Fedora CMCs." The name flat out sucks rocks. We hates it, precious. It burns us. --g--> _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Oct 19 06:12:40 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:12:40 -0500 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> Colin Charles wrote: > Ok, here's a proposal since last week's attendance while low (we got > far) > > Do we rotate between 15:00 and 18:00 UTC on a weekly basis? As the > project grows, this will enable *more* people from around the world to > attend. I don't expect everyone to attend every meeting, but with a > varying timescale, it can be better > > Thoughts? > > And to not confuse folk, we could publish a calendar (webcal), and you > can import it into your favourite webcal application (Evolution has good > support for this; there are a few webcalendar things, kiko?, and i think > iCal defintely supports it if you use OS X, and if you're using Windows, > I'm sure there are solutions, like Sunbird (cross-platform) :P) > Having a rotating schedule like that might create a little confusion, but the best way to find out would be to try it for a while. If it works, we keep it, if it fails, we find an alternative. I'm sure it won't do any harm to give it a shot. Either way, creating a calendar doesn't seem like a bad idea. There is already a calendar at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/fedora-project.ics. Can we append to that? The FESCO and FDSCO meetings are already on it. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 10:43:41 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote: > Either way, creating a calendar doesn't seem like a bad idea. There is > already a calendar at > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/fedora-project.ics. Can > we append to that? The FESCO and FDSCO meetings are already on it. Heh. Since I can never figure out where that is... You should be able to add to that by checking out the web module in CVS. I think. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From mattfrye at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 11:42:28 2005 From: mattfrye at gmail.com (Matt Frye) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:42:28 -0400 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> Message-ID: <7f1eacdd0510190442k21748ecdmf827109f604f87b9@mail.gmail.com> Good idea: calendar Bad idea: thursdays (prob the worst day for me) From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 19 13:17:30 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:17:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510171317u54921bcbiff10516a7a065bf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051019131730.32154.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, Paran? State, Brazil. This conference is made for IT Infrastructure and Developers. We will have a lot of developers communities in this meetings and some lectures. The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people in 2 days, I think this can be that big too. The most importante help that we need is flyers, banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. We are working with Translations and in one local forum to publish the Fedora community. With marketing material we can make a better campaign. What do you think? Rodrigo Menezes --- Alex Maier escreveu: > When is the show exactly and where? Do you have a > link to their page? > > Do you have information about the visitor > demographics? Who will the > attendees mostly be? > > And most important -- What help would you need to > represent Fedora at this show? > > Alex > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > wrote: > > Guys, > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > > technologies and Distros but today we never found > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are planning > to > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group or > > something. > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this conference, > as > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de > 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > New content on FUDCon page! > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > FUDCon: > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 13:21:32 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051019131730.32154.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051019131730.32154.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rodrigo, Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? We don't burn CDs anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for us. Is DVD usage in Brazil widespread enough to make DVDs useful? --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Alex, > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, Paran? > State, Brazil. > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure and > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > communities in this meetings and some lectures. > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people in 2 > days, I think this can be that big too. > > The most importante help that we need is flyers, > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. We are > working with Translations and in one local forum to > publish the Fedora community. With marketing material > we can make a better campaign. > > What do you think? > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you have a > > link to their page? > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > demographics? Who will the > > attendees mostly be? > > > > And most important -- What help would you need to > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > Alex > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > > > technologies and Distros but today we never found > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are planning > > to > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group or > > > something. > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this conference, > > as > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > New content on FUDCon page! > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > FUDCon: > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 19 14:26:57 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:26:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051019142657.77897.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For IT Conferences: Yes For General Public: No So we can use DVDs in this meeting. Rodrigo Menezes --- Greg DeKoenigsberg escreveu: > > Rodrigo, > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? We don't > burn CDs > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for us. Is > DVD usage in Brazil > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > --g > > _____________________ > ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of > technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and > intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the > grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > Alex, > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, > Paran? > > State, Brazil. > > > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure and > > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > > communities in this meetings and some lectures. > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people in 2 > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > The most importante help that we need is flyers, > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. We > are > > working with Translations and in one local forum > to > > publish the Fedora community. With marketing > material > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you have > a > > > link to their page? > > > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > > demographics? Who will the > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > And most important -- What help would you need > to > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > > > > technologies and Distros but today we never > found > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are > planning > > > to > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group > or > > > > something. > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > conference, > > > as > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais > de > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > New content on FUDCon page! > > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > > > FUDCon: > > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de > 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 14:39:20 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:39:20 -0400 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051019142657.77897.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051019142657.77897.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510190739u3f1e2ceclde7ab54b7cbc9fa2@mail.gmail.com> Rodrigo, this is great! BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora in South America? We have nobody covering this area as of yet... For info: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts Cheers, a On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > For IT Conferences: Yes > For General Public: No > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg escreveu: > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? We don't > > burn CDs > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for us. Is > > DVD usage in Brazil > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > --g > > > > _____________________ > > ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of > > technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and > > intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the > > grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, > > Paran? > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure and > > > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > > > communities in this meetings and some lectures. > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people in 2 > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is flyers, > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. We > > are > > > working with Translations and in one local forum > > to > > > publish the Fedora community. With marketing > > material > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you have > > a > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would you need > > to > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we never > > found > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are > > planning > > > > to > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group > > or > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > conference, > > > > as > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais > > de > > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > New content on FUDCon page! > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > > > > > FUDCon: > > > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 19 15:51:32 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510190739u3f1e2ceclde7ab54b7cbc9fa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051019155132.38545.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was looking at the site and I think this amazing. What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? Rodrigo Menezes --- Alex Maier escreveu: > Rodrigo, > > this is great! > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora in > South America? We > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > For info: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > Cheers, > a > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > wrote: > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > For General Public: No > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg escreveu: > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? We > don't > > > burn CDs > > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for us. > Is > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > --g > > > > > > _____________________ > > > ____________________________________________ > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of > > > technology will have > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and > > > intelligent. the > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters > the > > > grim and the > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, > > > Paran? > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure > and > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > > > > communities in this meetings and some > lectures. > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people > in 2 > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > flyers, > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. > We > > > are > > > > working with Translations and in one local > forum > > > to > > > > publish the Fedora community. With marketing > > > material > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you > have > > > a > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would you > need > > > to > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > Linux > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > never > > > found > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are > > > planning > > > > > to > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora > group > > > or > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > conference, > > > > > as > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a > mais > > > de > > > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > > > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > New content on FUDCon page! > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > > > > > > > FUDCon: > > > > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais > de > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > === message truncated === _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 16:21:40 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:21:40 -0400 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051019155132.38545.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7f617d270510190739u3f1e2ceclde7ab54b7cbc9fa2@mail.gmail.com> <20051019155132.38545.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510190921g6c1a2a6yfc35e3780555349f@mail.gmail.com> For starters, your function would be to respond to requests about Fedora from the broader community--actually, you are probably doing this already anyway. Then keep your eyes open for events like the one we are talking about in this thread. Try to get Fedora into as many events as possible for a cos as close to zero as possible. When Fedora does exciting things like FUDCons or new releases, you can help by sending the information about this exciting stuff to your local news groups, press, etc. I am in the process of reworking the whole CMC page anyway, so put a watch on it and see how it evolves in the next few days. Cheers, a On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I was looking at the site and I think this amazing. > > What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > Rodrigo, > > > > this is great! > > > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora in > > South America? We > > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > > > For info: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > > For General Public: No > > > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? We > > don't > > > > burn CDs > > > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for us. > > Is > > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of > > > > technology will have > > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and > > > > intelligent. the > > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters > > the > > > > grim and the > > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, > > > > Paran? > > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure > > and > > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > > > > > communities in this meetings and some > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people > > in 2 > > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > > flyers, > > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. > > We > > > > are > > > > > working with Translations and in one local > > forum > > > > to > > > > > publish the Fedora community. With marketing > > > > material > > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you > > have > > > > a > > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would you > > need > > > > to > > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > > Linux > > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > > never > > > > found > > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are > > > > planning > > > > > > to > > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora > > group > > > > or > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > > conference, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a > > mais > > > > de > > > > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > > > > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > New content on FUDCon page! > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > > > > > > > > > FUDCon: > > > > > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais > > de > > > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! > > http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From caillon at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 17:39:06 2005 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Box art In-Reply-To: <1129251923.25797.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <434E4512.12793.1C7597@localhost> <1129251923.25797.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <435684BA.2080000@redhat.com> On 10/13/2005 09:05 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > That looks really nice actually. I'm surprised that there isn't one of > this on the Fedora website anywhere. > It might make sense to get the logo stuff sorted out first. From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 19 23:42:45 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Box art In-Reply-To: <435684BA.2080000@redhat.com> References: <434E4512.12793.1C7597@localhost> <1129251923.25797.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <435684BA.2080000@redhat.com> Message-ID: Within the next week. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 10/13/2005 09:05 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > That looks really nice actually. I'm surprised that there isn't one of > > this on the Fedora website anywhere. > > > It might make sense to get the logo stuff sorted out first. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 20 03:39:25 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:39:25 +1000 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <7f1eacdd0510190442k21748ecdmf827109f604f87b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> <7f1eacdd0510190442k21748ecdmf827109f604f87b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129779565.2217.799.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 07:42 -0400, Matt Frye wrote: > Bad idea: thursdays (prob the worst day for me) Suggestions? -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 20 03:41:15 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:41:15 +1000 Subject: REMINDER: Marketing Meeting Message-ID: <1129779675.2217.802.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> THURSDAY OCTOBER 20, 18:00 UTC FRIDAY OCTOBER 21, 04:00 Melbourne (UTC+10) At #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net We have a long agenda (look at the beautiful schedule - visit the wiki) and also there's the importance for the possible LCA MiniConf (and the various FUDCons) Be there, or be [] -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From marc.w at smlintl.com.au Thu Oct 20 04:08:53 2005 From: marc.w at smlintl.com.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:08:53 +0800 Subject: REMINDER: Marketing Meeting In-Reply-To: <1129779675.2217.802.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1129779675.2217.802.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1129781333.28170.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Its 2am my time so I'll miss this one. Regards Marc On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 13:41 +1000, Colin Charles wrote: > THURSDAY OCTOBER 20, 18:00 UTC > FRIDAY OCTOBER 21, 04:00 Melbourne (UTC+10) > > At #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net > > We have a long agenda (look at the beautiful schedule - visit the wiki) > and also there's the importance for the possible LCA MiniConf (and the > various FUDCons) > > Be there, or be [] From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Thu Oct 20 04:51:13 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:51:13 -0200 Subject: CMC - SOUTH AMERICA - BRAZIL In-Reply-To: <1129781333.28170.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129779675.2217.802.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <1129781333.28170.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43572241.9090308@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi!!! I am a member of PT-BR translation project. I have diverse ideas for the spreading of the Fedora Project in the South America, particularly in Brazil. I am creating some documents for beginning users and divulging the Fedora through the user group GUNIX(http://www.gunix.com.br). I am organizing and congregating people interested in the Fedora Project to create a meeting of Fedora Users and Developers Fedora in FISL 7,0 (http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en) I would like to contribute with the Fedora Project as CMC. - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Linux +================================================+ Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVyJB8arYxsJpZ0URAqTzAKCgv0tN+GVGEBgn7oCytjmIBpWu7gCg0bDC KfxdEgSJLXj+jQasRHH+LEQ= =ohBt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jwulf at redhat.com Thu Oct 20 05:21:26 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:21:26 +1000 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: References: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > That's exactly what I'd like to do. > > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD. I'm > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora -- > but the Single Install CD is another matter. The more I investigate, the > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily > from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is. > > --g > > I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install CD must be attained.... I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD status, but would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a significant launching pad to a live CD? > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > > >> Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We could >> do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for >> them both. >> >> I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB >> single CD. R0ck! >> >> --josh >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From luya at jpopmail.com Thu Oct 20 09:04:56 2005 From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:04:56 -0800 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro Message-ID: <20051020090456.1F16ACA0A3@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> > I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB single CD. R0ck! The downside with Ubuntu is the lack of customization for the installer i.e there is no way to select package you want to install. I agrre about shrinking the size of MBs for Fedora and reconfigure the way to organize the packages in iso format. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Oct 20 10:22:25 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:22:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051020102225.59657.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Where can I find a oficial Live FC4 CD? I'm using this one: http://www.serpro.gov.br/arquivosdownload/Fedora4-LiveCD.iso This site is a Brazil Goverment IT Company but this is not official. Where can I get one? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes --- Joshua Wulf escreveu: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > That's exactly what I'd like to do. > > > > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and > Single Install CD. I'm > > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome > Live CDs for Fedora -- > > but the Single Install CD is another matter. The > more I investigate, the > > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves > into a corner with > > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* > (allegedly) to install happily > > from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good > answer as to why this is. > > > > --g > > > > > I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for > a single install CD, > then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of > the single install > CD must be attained.... > > I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the > live CD status, but > would a single install disk, while worthy in it's > own right, be a > significant launching pad to a live CD? > > > _____________________ > ____________________________________________ > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of > technology will have > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and > intelligent. the > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters > the grim and the > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > > > > > >> Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and > a gnome one? We could > >> do first one, then the other, rather than waiting > a million years for > >> them both. > >> > >> I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it > was a 600-odd MB > >> single CD. R0ck! > >> > >> --josh > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From romttrom at ybb.ne.jp Thu Oct 20 10:23:23 2005 From: romttrom at ybb.ne.jp (Yoshihiro Totaka) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:23:23 +0900 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> References: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4357701B.7040907@ybb.ne.jp> Joshua Wulf wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > >> That's exactly what I'd like to do. >> >> However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD. I'm >> happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora -- >> but the Single Install CD is another matter. The more I investigate, the >> more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with >> firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install >> happily from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why >> this is. >> >> --g >> >> > > I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, > then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install > CD must be attained.... > > I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD status, but > would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a > significant launching pad to a live CD? > Hi, I don't have anything against single install CD, but please keep bloated version of fedora alive. Ubuntu is great distribution, but their install CD is size-constrained rather than current Fedora's functionality-dupilication-constrained, so anything developer thinks doesn't feel worthy is not included in install CD. This unfortunately result in lack of internationalization and lack of Japanese language input. Group of Japanese is creating unofficial version of ubuntu to serve the needs. However as a result of this, developers are now fragmented and there seems to be no improvement in Japanese support in ubuntu in foreseeable future. If fedora is anything but platform for developers and participation, please take functionality-oriented install CD way. It really doesn't make sense for me, if some functionality is removed from install CD, just because it exceeds 640MB. If fedora is ever going to create single install CD, please take Konppix way, (i.e., 1CD install disk for English speaking audience only and 1DVD or 4CDs for standard version) not ubuntu way. In the end, I feel like I have something against single install CD. haha. Regards, Yoshihiro Totaka From gdk at redhat.com Thu Oct 20 14:52:12 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> References: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > That's exactly what I'd like to do. > > > > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD. I'm > > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora -- > > but the Single Install CD is another matter. The more I investigate, the > > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with > > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily > > from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is. > > > > --g > > > > > I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, > then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install > CD must be attained.... Well, there are a bunch of issues. Mainly: 1. The *right* approach is to alter Anaconda so that the first CD has a good basic install, and that you can just download CD 1 of 4/5/20/a zillion and pick the basic 1-CD install from Anaconda. This work is ongoing as we speak, and apparently has an even money shot of making it into FC5. 2. Language support is the bear, and if you end up building 1-CDs, you need to be sure that you have all the appropriate language/ font/input mechanism code on that 1 CD. And that 1 CD might very well be different for Indic languages, for instance. So. If someone -- anyone -- has the time to build out a 1-CD community version of FC4 with Indic language support, that would be great. If we want a 1-CD Indic language CD, we need someone in India to step up and help us. Will it be "official"? Dunno. There may be some politics about mirrors -- but if we can manage to get it on the torrent with a tracker in India, maybe that's a possibility. > I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD status, but > would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a > significant launching pad to a live CD? Actually, it's kinda the other way around. Live CD is an ideal way to play with a good package set that fits in about 700k, and knowing which packages are the right ones is a large part of the battle. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Oct 20 15:54:11 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:54:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510190921g6c1a2a6yfc35e3780555349f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051020155411.68610.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, no problem. What I need to know is if you guys can provide flyers, banners and DVDs to be distributed to the audience? Do I'll have my own space in CMC page? We will have a big Conference in April 2006, I'm working right now with a local community to create our space in this Conference ASAP. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes --- Alex Maier escreveu: > For starters, your function would be to respond to > requests about > Fedora from the broader community--actually, you are > probably doing > this already anyway. > > Then keep your eyes open for events like the one we > are talking about > in this thread. Try to get Fedora into as many > events as possible for > a cos as close to zero as possible. > > When Fedora does exciting things like FUDCons or new > releases, you can > help by sending the information about this exciting > stuff to your > local news groups, press, etc. > > I am in the process of reworking the whole CMC page > anyway, so put a > watch on it and see how it evolves in the next few > days. > > Cheers, > a > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > wrote: > > I was looking at the site and I think this > amazing. > > > > What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > this is great! > > > > > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora > in > > > South America? We > > > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > > > > > For info: > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > > > > > Cheers, > > > a > > > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > wrote: > > > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > > > For General Public: No > > > > > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? > We > > > don't > > > > > burn CDs > > > > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for > us. > > > Is > > > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters > of > > > > > technology will have > > > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted > and > > > > > intelligent. the > > > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily > masters > > > the > > > > > grim and the > > > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in > Curitiba, > > > > > Paran? > > > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT > Infrastructure > > > and > > > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of > developers > > > > > > communities in this meetings and some > > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 > people > > > in 2 > > > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > > > flyers, > > > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of > stuff. > > > We > > > > > are > > > > > > working with Translations and in one local > > > forum > > > > > to > > > > > > publish the Fedora community. With > marketing > > > > > material > > > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do > you > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the > visitor > > > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would > you > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > > > Linux > > > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > > > never > > > > > found > > > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We > are > > > > > planning > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a > Fedora > > > group > > > > > or > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > > > conference, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the > OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > === message truncated === _______________________________________________________ Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:45:13 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:13 -0400 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051020155411.68610.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7f617d270510190921g6c1a2a6yfc35e3780555349f@mail.gmail.com> <20051020155411.68610.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510201045r6535d4bamc161f359ffc3016c@mail.gmail.com> Rodrigo, if you do not yet have a wiki account, it is about time you have registered :) then you can add your name to the CMC page (simply add South America as a region and agg your name to the list). And yes, we can provide you with the DVDs and --whenever in the future they are produced -- printed flyers etc. how many DVDs would you need for the conference? a On 10/20/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > OK, no problem. > > What I need to know is if you guys can provide flyers, > banners and DVDs to be distributed to the audience? > > Do I'll have my own space in CMC page? > > We will have a big Conference in April 2006, I'm > working right now with a local community to create our > space in this Conference ASAP. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > For starters, your function would be to respond to > > requests about > > Fedora from the broader community--actually, you are > > probably doing > > this already anyway. > > > > Then keep your eyes open for events like the one we > > are talking about > > in this thread. Try to get Fedora into as many > > events as possible for > > a cos as close to zero as possible. > > > > When Fedora does exciting things like FUDCons or new > > releases, you can > > help by sending the information about this exciting > > stuff to your > > local news groups, press, etc. > > > > I am in the process of reworking the whole CMC page > > anyway, so put a > > watch on it and see how it evolves in the next few > > days. > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > I was looking at the site and I think this > > amazing. > > > > > > What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > this is great! > > > > > > > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora > > in > > > > South America? We > > > > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > > > > > > > For info: > > > > > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > a > > > > > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > wrote: > > > > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > > > > For General Public: No > > > > > > > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? > > We > > > > don't > > > > > > burn CDs > > > > > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for > > us. > > > > Is > > > > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters > > of > > > > > > technology will have > > > > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted > > and > > > > > > intelligent. the > > > > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily > > masters > > > > the > > > > > > grim and the > > > > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in > > Curitiba, > > > > > > Paran? > > > > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT > > Infrastructure > > > > and > > > > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of > > developers > > > > > > > communities in this meetings and some > > > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 > > people > > > > in 2 > > > > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > > > > flyers, > > > > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of > > stuff. > > > > We > > > > > > are > > > > > > > working with Translations and in one local > > > > forum > > > > > > to > > > > > > > publish the Fedora community. With > > marketing > > > > > > material > > > > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do > > you > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the > > visitor > > > > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would > > you > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > > > > Linux > > > > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > > > > never > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We > > are > > > > > > planning > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a > > Fedora > > > > group > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > > > > conference, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the > > OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:59:10 2005 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:59:10 -0400 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro In-Reply-To: References: <4355A457.9080109@redhat.com> <43572956.4060209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0510201059j65580ba5h1556dc5aafae6db8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/20/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Actually, it's kinda the other way around. Live CD is an ideal way to > play with a good package set that fits in about 700k, and knowing which > packages are the right ones is a large part of the battle. That was going to be my suggestion. The LiveCD will have to have made a number of these choices, and ideally you could install from it (and add on packegs post-install). Making it both a LiveCD and single CD install. Sort of. We'll never pick the right longer term sets of packages for everyone (or else we'd never have gotten to 4 discs in the first place), so they can YUM in whatever they need post install. --jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Oct 20 17:14:11 2005 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:14:11 -0500 Subject: Meeting Subject, f.r.c and fp.o Message-ID: <1129828451.16142.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Hello Marketing Team, I am sorry to report that I have yet to make any progress on the cleanup of fedora.redhat.com. Family Life, in this case deaths, have taken a large amount of time from my days, we had three deaths in my family last month so I have been trying to catch up on my normal work as of late. I hope by next week I will have some real progress to report. Robert 'Bob' Jensen From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 20 18:56:55 2005 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora web team In-Reply-To: <1126361756.3139.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1123782360.8431.15.camel@cutter> <42FC0385.2080807@gmail.com> <1123810968.12234.2.camel@cutter> <1124967312.2558.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1125281847.4613.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1125367535.3327.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126361756.3139.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey all, It seems like there are at least a few people who are interested in reworking the Fedora web site. I think it would be good to have more coordination on our efforts. So, please visit: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora/Web and let's all get together and figure things out. This may just be my way of catching up with everyone else who is already working nicely together - please bring me up to speed. :) Best, -- Elliot From kwade at redhat.com Thu Oct 20 19:54:35 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:54:35 -0700 Subject: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser In-Reply-To: <1129636184.2636.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051018084112.05F9972F36@hormel.redhat.com> <1129636184.2636.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129838075.18168.499.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 07:49 -0400, Hrishikesh Ballal wrote: > Hello Karsten, > I helped with the moinmoin implementation of Diana's design and the > redesign of the fedoraproject.org webstie. I can help out with some of > the problems with the wiki. I have a bugzilla account. I can add you to be automatically Cc:'d on website bugs, if you wish? It would increase our coverage. If you and others want to work out a system of ownership, QA, and peer review, that would be great. Should I use hballal at gmail.com? - Karsten > Hrishi > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:56:03 -0700 > > From: Karsten Wade > > Subject: Re: fedoraproject wiki has problem with Japanese browser > > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > > > > Message-ID: <1129622163.18168.161.camel at erato.phig.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 14:52 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On 10/15/05, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > > > This is a known problem for browsers set to many languages. MoinMoin, > > > > the wiki software that powers fedoraproject.org's wiki, attempts to > > > > translate 'FrontPage' for browsers set to languages other than English. > > > > It isn't a bug, just part of the configuration of MoinMoin. Work is > > > > already underway to remedy this. > > > > > > Deeper question... > > > Problems with the wiki, both in terms of content and how it > > > operates... should be reported where? > > > > There is now[1] a component in bugzilla: > > > > Fedora Documentation > fedora-websites > > > > All bugs for all formal Fedora websites should use this component. > > > > For now, I volunteered Patrick as the initial assigned person ;-D, and > > put myself in as QA. Does this make sense? Patrick, objections? > > > > Does anyone want to be on the initial Cc: list for this component? Or > > is there a mailing list or another mechanism that should receive this > > bug stream? > > > > - Karsten > > > > [1] (or will be when some cron script runs?) > > > > -- > > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > > Red Hat SELinux Guide > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: not available > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 189 bytes > > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > > Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20051018/c7c9da3c/attachment.bin > > > > ------------------------------ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Argh! You caught me ... curses! Foiled again. I was trying to avoid the loaded term "official", so I have started calling things "formal". Consensus decisions that become "the-way-it's-done" == "formal". For us, it really can only mean sites we control the domain, hosting, etc. of. I'll see if there is a way to get that into the bugzilla description, but I The bugzilla description now[1] reads: "Problems and requests for all formal Fedora Project websites. This list is currently: fedoraproject.org and fedora.redhat.com." [1] Now is relative to when some magic-fu happens. > I guess the fedoraproject.org mainpage and wiki header/footer should > have a link back to this "formalized" bugzilla component. Yeah, that would be cool. > -jef"if only we had a servicable trademark that could be used > exclusively on formal sites to help distinguish which sites are > tracked in the central bugzilla...."spaleta Yeah, and a link to a pre-filled bugzilla request. - Karsten > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It really doesn't > make sense for me, if some functionality is removed from install CD, > just because it exceeds 640MB. +1 That said, we should make it possible for interested parties to roll their own single install CDs with whatever they think is worthy. /me envisions a Web tool with package selection and automatic ISO creation, and the ability to take all data for the above in the form of a delimited text file. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm +1 on keeping this timing if it fits enough people. --josh From jwulf at redhat.com Thu Oct 20 22:55:28 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:55:28 +1000 Subject: "CMC" moniker Message-ID: <43582060.4000507@redhat.com> As discussed in today's meeting we're continuing the discussion of what the Fedora "Community Marketing Contacts" should be called here on the mailing list. Here are my thoughts on the matter: I believe... that "CMC" must go (bad marketingspeak bad!). As mentioned by gdk in an earlier post, Fedora is many things. It's a distro, and it's a project. We're all about community - distro and project - not simply a finished "product". We're not marketing a product, which implies a monologue - we're building a community: we need a conversation. I see the role of a "CMC" as three fold: 1. Inquire (hear first, if you wish to be heard - conduit of information from the peeps to the project - "We hear ya!") 2. Inform (conduit of information from inside the project to the outside: community and wider public) 3. Invite (It's all about participation - Our Motto: "We Make it Easy!") I liked Colin's way of testing potential titles: "yada yada yada..." says , of the Fedora Project. ...says XYZ, spokesperson for the Fedora Project ...says XYZ, ambassador of the Fedora Project / Fedora Foundation (i like that one, it's like something from Trek) Suggestions so far (from today's meeting): Ambassador Spokesperson Advocate Evangelist Local Fedora Contact Community Representative /me +1 Ambassador --josh From barzilay at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 01:52:56 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:52:56 +1000 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1129859577.5298.42.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> A few more comments... On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:35 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, David Barzilay wrote: > > > Can you help me with these: > > . What are the goals of fedora-marketing? > > To come up with ways of encouraging use of, and *participation in*, Fedora > projects. Dead simple. I don't think is that simple. To encourage use, we might need to approach a different set of people than the potential contributors group. I hate labeling people, but at this stage I see users (or potential users) as niches of the general public, and contributors as enthusiasts and geeks. Unless I got the whole marketing thing wrong, and we intend to continue approaching only the latter... > > . Who are we approaching? > > Anyone who's standing in a crowd of three or more people, and doesn't > break eye contact with us when we approach them. Like bums, or Amway > salesmen. Approaching "Anyone who's standing in a crowd of three or more people, and doesn't break eye contact with us" might be quite broad... How can you guide this sort of efforts on a worldwide basis? I don't intend to discuss network marketing here, but if I follow your vision, am I supposed to preach Fedora to all my acquaintances? "Hey Grandma! Come to my place, bring all your friends coz I got something reaaaaaly special to show you..." or "Sorry I crashed your car. Here's my business card. Gimme a call coz I want to show you something that works for me..." In other words, we need to narrow down the people we are approaching, and better target our different audiences. BTW, how does the eye contact work in an online environment? > > . How are we approaching the different audiences? > > . Then: what are the best marketing and communication actions to > > approach these? > > I don't even think we're at the market segmentation phase. I think we're > still at the *basic* messaging phase. > > See, here's the problem: we're immersed in Fedora, so we make basic > assumptions about other people's knowledge that is just wrong. You got it! Why don't we stop making assumptions and take an inquisitive approach? From luya at jpopmail.com Fri Oct 21 07:23:32 2005 From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:23:32 -0800 Subject: Single CD Fedora distro Message-ID: <20051021072332.93E0A7B49D@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> You hit the nail about functionality. One of major problem with many current Live CDs is the lack of other language versions other than English. Pratically, Kadischi project is the way to go because anyone can customize their live CD depending the area users live. I too think it is better to keep 4 CDs/1DVD for Fedora (progressively removing some duplicated packages) and adding the ability for user to create their own live-cd. > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:23:23 +0900 > From: Yoshihiro Totaka > Subject: Re: Single CD Fedora distro > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <4357701B.7040907 at ybb.ne.jp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Joshua Wulf wrote: > > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > >> That's exactly what I'd like to do. > >> > >> However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD. I'm > >> happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora -- > >> but the Single Install CD is another matter. The more I investigate, the > >> more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner > >> with firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to > >> install happily from one CD. I'm still trying to get a good > >> answer as to why this is. > >> > >> --g > >> > >> > > > > I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single > > install CD, then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of > > the single install CD must be attained.... > > > > I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD > > status, but would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own > > right, be a significant launching pad to a live CD? > > > > Hi, I don't have anything against single install CD, but please keep > bloated version of fedora alive. Ubuntu is great distribution, but their > install CD is size-constrained rather than current Fedora's > functionality-dupilication-constrained, so anything developer thinks > doesn't feel worthy is not included in install CD. This unfortunately > result in lack of internationalization and lack of Japanese language > input. Group of Japanese is creating unofficial version of ubuntu to > serve the needs. However as a result of this, developers are now > fragmented and there seems to be no improvement in Japanese support in > ubuntu in foreseeable future. > > If fedora is anything but platform for developers and participation, > please take functionality-oriented install CD way. It really doesn't > make sense for me, if some functionality is removed from install CD, > just because it exceeds 640MB. > > If fedora is ever going to create single install CD, please take Konppix > way, (i.e., 1CD install disk for English speaking audience only and 1DVD > or 4CDs for standard version) not ubuntu way. > > In the end, I feel like I have something against single install CD. haha. > > Regards, > Yoshihiro Totaka -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org From kwade at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 12:17:02 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:17:02 -0700 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:35 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > What they *think* they know, > when they know anything, is that Fedora is what Red Hat shat out when they > turned into the debbil. Where's my shirt that says, "I Am Debbil Scat"? I think I see an extremely unofficial Cafepress site coming up, featuring that shirt and one with a scapegoat: "Don't blame me, I'm just a scapegoat." "Scapegoats get all the best jobs." "It's not just for goatse anymore." "The best part is, I'm the one who doesn't get sacrificed." "Scapegoat -- tastes like chicken." etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hrishi From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Fri Oct 21 14:03:01 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:03:01 -0200 Subject: CMC Message-ID: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! How I make to add my contacts in the Wiki in CommunityMarketingContacts ? My wiki username is RodrigoPadula, i'm from Brazil! - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Linux +================================================+ Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWPUV8arYxsJpZ0URAnKuAJ4kUbQlXPCoVi5jhauWFPfgBvznRgCcD6w4 6jwcNm10h89PJipP9cdVBmY= =2ndu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 14:16:11 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:16:11 -0700 Subject: CMC In-Reply-To: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> References: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> Message-ID: <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 12:03 -0200, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi! > > How I make to add my contacts in the Wiki in CommunityMarketingContacts ? > > My wiki username is RodrigoPadula, i'm from Brazil! Hello Rodrigo, I added your name to the EditGroup page. Adding names to this page gives the user the basic rights to edit the Wiki. If you were thinking of a name for the role of the CMC, what name would you give in Brazilian? Don't worry about what the English translation is yet. :) Cheers - Karsten > - -- > +================================================+ > RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA > (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O > //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG > V_/_ > PostgreSQL - PHP - Linux > +================================================+ > > Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux > http://www.gunix.com.br > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDWPUV8arYxsJpZ0URAnKuAJ4kUbQlXPCoVi5jhauWFPfgBvznRgCcD6w4 > 6jwcNm10h89PJipP9cdVBmY= > =2ndu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Oct 21 14:26:11 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:26:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510201045r6535d4bamc161f359ffc3016c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051021142611.42344.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, For this Conference next month I think 100 DVD's are ok, in april 2006 we will have a big Conference, at that time I wanna have flyers, banners and other stuff. I'm working with some designers here in Brazil to have materials to distribute. Fot that Conference I think 500 DVD's at least. I'll let you now about what we have and how we are going with this event. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes now CMC Fedora :) Alex Maier escreveu: Rodrigo, if you do not yet have a wiki account, it is about time you have registered :) then you can add your name to the CMC page (simply add South America as a region and agg your name to the list). And yes, we can provide you with the DVDs and --whenever in the future they are produced -- printed flyers etc. how many DVDs would you need for the conference? a On 10/20/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > OK, no problem. > > What I need to know is if you guys can provide flyers, > banners and DVDs to be distributed to the audience? > > Do I'll have my own space in CMC page? > > We will have a big Conference in April 2006, I'm > working right now with a local community to create our > space in this Conference ASAP. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > For starters, your function would be to respond to > > requests about > > Fedora from the broader community--actually, you are > > probably doing > > this already anyway. > > > > Then keep your eyes open for events like the one we > > are talking about > > in this thread. Try to get Fedora into as many > > events as possible for > > a cos as close to zero as possible. > > > > When Fedora does exciting things like FUDCons or new > > releases, you can > > help by sending the information about this exciting > > stuff to your > > local news groups, press, etc. > > > > I am in the process of reworking the whole CMC page > > anyway, so put a > > watch on it and see how it evolves in the next few > > days. > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > I was looking at the site and I think this > > amazing. > > > > > > What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > this is great! > > > > > > > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora > > in > > > > South America? We > > > > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > > > > > > > For info: > > > > > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > a > > > > > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > wrote: > > > > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > > > > For General Public: No > > > > > > > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? > > We > > > > don't > > > > > > burn CDs > > > > > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for > > us. > > > > Is > > > > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters > > of > > > > > > technology will have > > > > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted > > and > > > > > > intelligent. the > > > > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily > > masters > > > > the > > > > > > grim and the > > > > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in > > Curitiba, > > > > > > Paran? > > > > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT > > Infrastructure > > > > and > > > > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of > > developers > > > > > > > communities in this meetings and some > > > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 > > people > > > > in 2 > > > > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > > > > flyers, > > > > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of > > stuff. > > > > We > > > > > > are > > > > > > > working with Translations and in one local > > > > forum > > > > > > to > > > > > > > publish the Fedora community. With > > marketing > > > > > > material > > > > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do > > you > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the > > visitor > > > > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would > > you > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > > > > Linux > > > > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > > > > never > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We > > are > > > > > > planning > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a > > Fedora > > > > group > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > > > > conference, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the > > OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! 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URL: From jfautley at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 15:12:24 2005 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:12:24 +0100 Subject: CMC In-Reply-To: <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <43590558.60802@redhat.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 12:03 -0200, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Hi! >> >>How I make to add my contacts in the Wiki in CommunityMarketingContacts ? >> >>My wiki username is RodrigoPadula, i'm from Brazil! > > > Hello Rodrigo, > > I added your name to the EditGroup page. Adding names to this page > gives the user the basic rights to edit the Wiki. Hi Karsten, Any chance you could add me to the EditGroup as well please? I did ask when I became UK CMC, but it doesn't seem to have happened :( Thanks! Jon -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Presales Technical Consultant office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Oct 21 15:07:42 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: "CMC" moniker In-Reply-To: <43582060.4000507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051021150742.62378.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I agree with Community Representative. Joshua Wulf escreveu: As discussed in today's meeting we're continuing the discussion of what the Fedora "Community Marketing Contacts" should be called here on the mailing list. Here are my thoughts on the matter: I believe... that "CMC" must go (bad marketingspeak bad!). As mentioned by gdk in an earlier post, Fedora is many things. It's a distro, and it's a project. We're all about community - distro and project - not simply a finished "product". We're not marketing a product, which implies a monologue - we're building a community: we need a conversation. I see the role of a "CMC" as three fold: 1. Inquire (hear first, if you wish to be heard - conduit of information from the peeps to the project - "We hear ya!") 2. Inform (conduit of information from inside the project to the outside: community and wider public) 3. Invite (It's all about participation - Our Motto: "We Make it Easy!") I liked Colin's way of testing potential titles: "yada yada yada..." says , of the Fedora Project. ...says XYZ, spokesperson for the Fedora Project ...says XYZ, ambassador of the Fedora Project / Fedora Foundation (i like that one, it's like something from Trek) Suggestions so far (from today's meeting): Ambassador Spokesperson Advocate Evangelist Local Fedora Contact Community Representative /me +1 Ambassador --josh -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --------------------------------- Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Fri Oct 21 15:16:46 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:16:46 -0200 Subject: CMC In-Reply-To: <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4359065E.20009@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> Hello Rodrigo, > >> I added your name to the EditGroup page. Adding names to this page >> gives the user the basic rights to edit the Wiki. > >> If you were thinking of a name for the role of the CMC, what name would >> you give in Brazilian? Don't worry about what the English translation >> is yet. :) > >> Cheers - Karsten I suggest to change the name of CMC to GMC - Global Marketing Contacts in Brazilian Contatos Globais de Marketing or GMG - Global Marketing Group in Brazilian Grupo Global de Marketing. I did not to edit wiki page, appear IMMUTABLE PAGE here. My username is RodrigoPadula - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Linux +================================================+ Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWQZe8arYxsJpZ0URAqZmAJ9LGVUpG/L75YHT7TkjCOgfeWShkgCfdRJq UdPWwQBD7U2SLzygisZ/hmw= =SOef -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Oct 21 15:28:18 2005 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:28:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051021142611.42344.qmail@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051021152818.66223.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, I created a user rmenezes, Can you create these lines in main CMC Page? South America Brazil - RodrigoMenezes Rodrigo Menezes escreveu: Alex, For this Conference next month I think 100 DVD's are ok, in april 2006 we will have a big Conference, at that time I wanna have flyers, banners and other stuff. I'm working with some designers here in Brazil to have materials to distribute. Fot that Conference I think 500 DVD's at least. I'll let you now about what we have and how we are going with this event. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes now CMC Fedora :) Alex Maier escreveu: Rodrigo, if you do not yet have a wiki account, it is about time you have registered :) then you can add your name to the CMC page (simply add South America as a region and agg your name to the list). And yes, we can provide you with the DVDs and --whenever in the future they are produced -- printed flyers etc. how many DVDs would you need for the conference? a On 10/20/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > OK, no problem. > > What I need to know is if you guys can provide flyers, > banners and DVDs to be distributed to the audience? > > Do I'll have my own space in CMC page? > > We will have a big Conference in April 2006, I'm > working right now with a local community to create our > space in this Conference ASAP. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > For starters, your function would be to respond to > > requests about > > Fedora from the broader community--actually, you are > > probably doing > > this already anyway. > > > > Then keep your eyes open for events like the one we > > are talking about > > in this thread. Try to get Fedora into as many > > events as possible for > > a cos as close to zero as possible. > > > > When Fedora does exciting things like FUDCons or new > > releases, you can > > help by sending the information about this exciting > > stuff to your > > local news groups, press, etc. > > > > I am in the process of reworking the whole CMC page > > anyway, so put a > > watch on it and see how it evolves in ! the next few > > days. > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > I was looking at the site and I think this > > amazing. > > > > > > What do I need to do to become a CMC for Fedora? > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > this is great! > > > > > > > > BTW, did you consider becoming a CMC for Fedora > > in > > > > South America? We > > > > have nobody covering this area as of yet... > > > > > > > > For info: > > > > > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > a > > > > > > > > On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > > > wrote: > > > > > For IT Conferences: Yes > > > > > For General Public: No > > > > > > > > > > So we can use DVDs in this meeting. > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg DeKoenigsberg > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you this: are DVDs acceptable? > > We > > > > don't > > > > > > burn CDs > > > >! > > anymore because it's cost-prohibitive for > > us. > > > > Is > > > > > > DVD usage in Brazil > > > > > > widespread enough to make DVDs useful? > > > > > > > > > > > > --g > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > > > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters > > of > > > > > > technology will have > > > > > > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted > > and > > > > > > intelligent. the > > > > > > Red Hat ] [ machine easily > > masters > > > > the > > > > > > grim and the > > > > > > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > > > > > > &! gt; > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in > > Curitiba, > > > > > > Paran? > > > > > > > State, Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This conference is made for IT > > Infrastructure > > > > and > > > > > > > Developers. We will have a lot of > > developers > > > > > > > communities in this meetings and some > > > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 > > people > > > > in 2 > > > > > > > days, I think this can be that big too. > > >! ; > > > > > > > > > > > The most importante help that we need is > > > > flyers, > > > > > > > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of > > stuff. > > > > We > > > > > > are > > > > > > > working with Translations and in one local > > > > forum > > > > > > to > > > > > > > publish the Fedora community. With > > marketing > > > > > > material > > > > > > > we can make a better campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Maier > > escreveu: > > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do > > you > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > link to their page? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have information about the > > visitor > > > > > > > > demographics? Who will the > > > > > > > > attendees mostly be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important -- What help would > > you > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Meneze! s > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing > > > > Linux > > > > > > > > > technologies and Distros but today we > > > > never > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We > > are > > > > > > planning > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > create a group to show Fedora, a > > Fedora > > > > group > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this > > > > > > conference, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a group, what can we do to publish the > > OS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --------------------------------- Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe!-- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --------------------------------- Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:29:38 2005 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:29:38 -0400 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <556f970a0510210829i74eb03j4fb32ed95d26068@mail.gmail.com> As GDK pointed out, we aren't a liberty to make a number of assumptions about the "market". We don't have market analysts, we don't have commercial drivers, we don't have shareholders, we don't have the budget to engage in any such speculation. The good news is, we aren't bound to a revenue target, so a whole lot of work doesn't need to happen around that sort of thinking. We also aren't at full liberty to establish markets where they commercially compete with Red Hat, though we won't stop someone from commercializing it in some fashion. Since our hands are mildly bound, and since we only know *our* version of the Fedora story, all we can do is start there. And it can be a simple message (and thusly portable and translatable), so long as being simple is a goal. I don't want to start another brand rant, but we can only lay out the "promise" (what is it? what does it do? who cares?) of Fedora, the "experience" (how it's used, and by whom) is semantic, and evolutionary from this starting point. We can shape and/or react to the promise, but we'll never be able to magically anticipate it, and surely won't be able to control it. We can't tell Fedora what to be for everyone, we can't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do with. We can, however, decide to never tell it what not to be--while deciding as a group the core purpose or *intended* use by *intended* audience. Just as we make package choices, without inhibiting third parties from adding/subtracting their own. We've answered these core questions about what Fedora is, and for whom a great number of times already on this list. Someone needs to digest it, and make a cut we can all vote on. And somone needs to call final cut at some point. Then, similar to the development of the logo, we can get a head of steam going and the folks at Red Hat--who know a thing or two about marketing Linux--can polish it up. As for the purpose of Fedora marketing, it's to make more people use/hack Fedora more often, so we make it better more often than it gets worse. Just the same as that marketing in a commercial environment is to "get more people, to buy more stuff, more often, so you make more money". That's it. There's nothing more to it than technique. Our metrics are the number of contributors (code, bugs, feedback, list posts), and number of users (hackers, enthusiasts, early adopters, those wanting insight into what RHEL might be)--which together make the target install base--and the number of articles, reviews and how-tos written about Fedora. That's not all the use cases and measures for Fedora, because we don't and never should know all the use cases, anymore than Apache foundation knows exactly what's going on on every web site running Apache. For example, sometimes, we'll see that we are getting significant uptake in verticals like desktop productivity, or multimedia, or LiveCD variants. Or someone will write an article explaining how to shove Fedora onto a Mac mini, or XBox, or pen drive. Or some teacher in Portland will start a program targeting K12, based on Fedora. Or some VAR or IT support org will charge folks for support, customizations or maintenance. Etc. User driven innovation, and an eco-sysem. In other words, a lot of what made Red Hat what it was before the RHEL/Fedora debbil scat. Once we establish ourselves in the known universe, we have a baseline of metrics. And we can draw up a set of benchmarks and be more inquisitive and measure against those metrics, as well as reacting emerging segments. --jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:30:25 2005 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:30:25 -0400 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910510210830w356f354fhcc5095bf20d0ac6b@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, Karsten Wade wrote: > I think I see an extremely unofficial Cafepress site coming up, > featuring that shirt and one with a scapegoat: > > "Don't blame me, I'm just a scapegoat." > "Scapegoats get all the best jobs." > "It's not just for goatse anymore." > "The best part is, I'm the one who doesn't get sacrificed." > "Scapegoat -- tastes like chicken." you want my updated svg file for my scapegoat cartoon? -jef From gdk at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 15:50:46 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: <556f970a0510210829i74eb03j4fb32ed95d26068@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> <556f970a0510210829i74eb03j4fb32ed95d26068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > We've answered these core questions about what Fedora is, and for whom a > great number of times already on this list. Someone needs to digest it, and > make a cut we can all vote on. This is on my plate. I hope to have something by next week's marketing meeting. > As for the purpose of Fedora marketing, it's to make more people use/hack > Fedora more often, so we make it better more often than it gets worse. Just > the same as that marketing in a commercial environment is to "get more > people, to buy more stuff, more often, so you make more money". That's it. > There's nothing more to it than technique. > > Our metrics are the number of contributors (code, bugs, feedback, list > posts), and number of users (hackers, enthusiasts, early adopters, those > wanting insight into what RHEL might be)--which together make the target > install base--and the number of articles, reviews and how-tos written about > Fedora. That's not all the use cases and measures for Fedora, because we > don't and never should know all the use cases, anymore than Apache > foundation knows exactly what's going on on every web site running Apache. It's probably a good idea to work on some metrics that we think are useful. Its status on distrowatch, for instance. Pure Googlebuzz -- how many hits on "Fedora Linux"? "Ubuntu Linux"? > User driven innovation, and an eco-sysem. In other words, a lot of what made > Red Hat what it was before the RHEL/Fedora debbil scat. Exactly. Hey, Jeremy, has anyone ever told you that you could do this job? ;-) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 21 16:03:08 2005 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> <556f970a0510210829i74eb03j4fb32ed95d26068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Our metrics are the number of contributors (code, bugs, feedback, list > > posts), and number of users (hackers, enthusiasts, early adopters, those > > wanting insight into what RHEL might be)--which together make the target > > install base--and the number of articles, reviews and how-tos written about > > Fedora. Any ideas on how to actually implement measurements of the number of users and the number of articles/reviews/etc.? Best, -- Elliot From rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br Fri Oct 21 22:16:50 2005 From: rodrigopadula at sagraluzzatto.com.br (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:16:50 -0200 Subject: Marketing Fedora Worldwide In-Reply-To: References: <1129600156.5117.41.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129691450.14285.24.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1129897022.18168.574.camel@erato.phig.org> <556f970a0510210829i74eb03j4fb32ed95d26068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435968D2.10303@sagraluzzatto.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! I believe that we will need a bigger organization so that the Marketing Fedora Worldwide has success, we will need to create a hierarchy. Sample: FEDORA PROJECT Leader and Co-leader ----------------------------------------------- | | | SOUTH AMERICA NORTH AMERIA ASIA Leader and Co-leader Leader and Co-leader Leader and Co-leader | | | -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- | | | BRAZIL COMBIA CHILE L and C L and C L and C or: FEDORA PROJECT Leader and Co-leader ----------------------------------------------- | | | BRAZIL EUA FRANCE Leader and Co-leader Leader and Co-leader Leader and Co-leader - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Linux +================================================+ Membro Fundador do Gunix Linux http://www.gunix.com.br -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWWjS8arYxsJpZ0URAllmAKCy4Bgxg3TWcmFBKLhalC6pCvHftgCfRrQg S7VUg9Nb/zoRAov4iZoPaTk= =6Dd4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mattfrye at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 23:41:44 2005 From: mattfrye at gmail.com (Matt Frye) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:41:44 -0400 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <1129779565.2217.799.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> <7f1eacdd0510190442k21748ecdmf827109f604f87b9@mail.gmail.com> <1129779565.2217.799.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <7f1eacdd0510211641s74fddd1bo953f5022d88acb9d@mail.gmail.com> > Suggestions? Mid afternoons, say 3pm (Eastern US). Any day but Thursday. From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Oct 22 00:26:18 2005 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:26:18 -0500 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <7f1eacdd0510211641s74fddd1bo953f5022d88acb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129679279.2217.610.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <4355E3D8.1040508@n-man.com> <7f1eacdd0510190442k21748ecdmf827109f604f87b9@mail.gmail.com> <1129779565.2217.799.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> <7f1eacdd0510211641s74fddd1bo953f5022d88acb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4359872A.60606@n-man.com> Matt Frye wrote: >> Suggestions? >> > > Mid afternoons, say 3pm (Eastern US). Any day but Thursday. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > I agree with the idea of rotating times, or at least trying it. Perhaps we could also rotate days? Perhaps we could have one meeting time be held on Thursdays, as it is now, and the other on, say, Mondays? This would create an uneven amount of time between meetings, but I don't see that as being a big problem. With the split in times, we could almost classify the two meeting times differently, thereby making it more like we have two marketing meetings, each held once every other week. Just a thought. Any other opinions or ideas? -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com www.n-man.com -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This > would create an uneven amount of time between meetings, but I don't see > that as being a big problem. agreed. i like that idea From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 22:52:31 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:52:31 -0400 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051019131730.32154.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7f617d270510171317u54921bcbiff10516a7a065bf1@mail.gmail.com> <20051019131730.32154.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510221552m17fd7d9bt2b55bcb8a106d9cb@mail.gmail.com> I have added the conference to the Events List at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Rodrigo, Please feel free to edit my entry All, Please add other events to the list if you are going there, and do not forget to include information on what exactly your participation looks like. Cheers, a On 10/19/05, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Alex, > > We will have LatinoWare Mercosul in Curitiba, Paran? > State, Brazil. > > This conference is made for IT Infrastructure and > Developers. We will have a lot of developers > communities in this meetings and some lectures. > > The last conference in Brazil had 1000 people in 2 > days, I think this can be that big too. > > The most importante help that we need is flyers, > banners, CDs (Fedora CDs), that kind of stuff. We are > working with Translations and in one local forum to > publish the Fedora community. With marketing material > we can make a better campaign. > > What do you think? > > Rodrigo Menezes > > --- Alex Maier escreveu: > > > When is the show exactly and where? Do you have a > > link to their page? > > > > Do you have information about the visitor > > demographics? Who will the > > attendees mostly be? > > > > And most important -- What help would you need to > > represent Fedora at this show? > > > > Alex > > > > On 10/17/05, Rodrigo Menezes > > wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > > > We have conferences in Brazil showing Linux > > > technologies and Distros but today we never found > > > something about Red Hat or Fedora. We are planning > > to > > > create a group to show Fedora, a Fedora group or > > > something. > > > > > > I'm searching for ideas to use in this conference, > > as > > > a group, what can we do to publish the OS? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora > > navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de > > 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > New content on FUDCon page! > > http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon > > > > FUDCon: > > Fedora Users and Developers Conference > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Promo??o Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis: a cada hora navegada voc? acumula cupons e concorre a mais de 500 pr?mios! Participe! http://yahoo.fbiz.com.br/ > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 23:16:46 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:16:46 -0400 Subject: CMC Program Relaunch: Fedora Ambassadors Message-ID: <7f617d270510221616x587a1818qdb68820a7973843a@mail.gmail.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Ambassadors Please click through and amend where necessary. I have removed the content from the old page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/CommunityMarketingContacts There is a link to the new page on the old CMC page. If you know of any links pointing to the old CMC page, please change them to point to the new Ambassadors page. Thanks, a -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From kwade at redhat.com Sun Oct 23 09:32:10 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:32:10 -0700 Subject: CMC In-Reply-To: <43590558.60802@redhat.com> References: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> <43590558.60802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1130059931.5528.20.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 16:12 +0100, Jon Fautley wrote: > Any chance you could add me to the EditGroup as well please? I did ask > when I became UK CMC, but it doesn't seem to have happened :( Done. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Oct 23 09:33:11 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:33:11 -0700 Subject: CMC In-Reply-To: <4359065E.20009@sagraluzzatto.com.br> References: <4358F515.7080901@sagraluzzatto.com.br> <1129904171.18168.663.camel@erato.phig.org> <4359065E.20009@sagraluzzatto.com.br> Message-ID: <1130059991.5528.23.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 13:16 -0200, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > I did not to edit wiki page, appear IMMUTABLE PAGE here. My username is > RodrigoPadula Sorry, copy-and-paste error, when I highlighted your username I also got a stray comma "," and that was put in as part of the username on the EditGroup page. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Oct 23 09:36:04 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:36:04 -0700 Subject: Conferences in Brazil In-Reply-To: <20051021152818.66223.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051021152818.66223.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1130060164.5528.26.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 15:28 +0000, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Alex, > > I created a user rmenezes, > > South America > * Brazil - RodrigoMenezes The second username, RodrigoMenezes, is the correct form for a Wiki username. I have added that username to the EditGroup. > Can you create these lines in main CMC Page? Now that you are in the EditGroup, you can edit the page yourself and add your information. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather than having most of the group always be one week out of the loop, we could divide the group by timezones, and group task assignments by those individuals. The floaters, who go to both meetings, can carry useful threads across the two meetings. I've no idea if this is a good idea, I'm just putting it out there as it occurred to me. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jpmahowald at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 03:02:57 2005 From: jpmahowald at gmail.com (John Mahowald) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora user testimonials Message-ID: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> I propose collecting user testimonials as a way to promote Fedora. Actual people commenting on their experience can be a powerful persuader. Of course these would have to be anonymous unless otherwise specified. Ways of collecting them could include an email address, web forum/comment form, etc. From jwulf at redhat.com Tue Oct 25 03:20:39 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:20:39 +1000 Subject: Fedora Community Building Message-ID: <435DA487.4050806@redhat.com> Over the last few days I've been thinking that perhaps another way of thinking of things is to think of "Fedora Community Building" rather than simply "Fedora Marketing". Marketing is a monologue. Community Building is a conversation. Just a thought. --josh From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 25 13:10:03 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Community Building In-Reply-To: <435DA487.4050806@redhat.com> References: <435DA487.4050806@redhat.com> Message-ID: Josh, You're exactly right. Maybe I'll mass-resubscribe everyone to a mailing list with a better name at some point. ;-) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > Over the last few days I've been thinking that perhaps another way of > thinking of things is to think of "Fedora Community Building" rather > than simply "Fedora Marketing". Marketing is a monologue. Community > Building is a conversation. > > Just a thought. > > --josh > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jwulf at redhat.com Tue Oct 25 13:51:02 2005 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:51:02 +1000 Subject: Guerilla Marketing Message-ID: <435E3846.9010808@redhat.com> Hot on the heels of the "Community Building not Marketing" post.... a guerilla marketing idea. Colin and I were brainstorming the other day about things you can do when you have no money and no official support (LCA2006 here we come), and we came up with "M*A*S*H Bug Triage". You get a wireless router, an extension cord, a set of army surplus fatigues, a stethoscope and a surgical mask, then you set up wherever you can - a room, an open space, whatever, and people can come along and bring their laptops to do bug triaging. The lack of facilities is all part of the ambience - I mean, "C'mon, this is M*A*S*H Bug Triage! Where's the room??? Where's your camo?" --josh (i hope it doesn't come to that, but we're ready for it) From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 25 15:06:41 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Guerilla Marketing In-Reply-To: <435E3846.9010808@redhat.com> References: <435E3846.9010808@redhat.com> Message-ID: Dude! That is a freaking awesome idea. Alex! Can we make cheap surgical attire part of the CMC kit? :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote: > Hot on the heels of the "Community Building not Marketing" post.... a > guerilla marketing idea. Colin and I were brainstorming the other day > about things you can do when you have no money and no official support > (LCA2006 here we come), and we came up with "M*A*S*H Bug Triage". > > You get a wireless router, an extension cord, a set of army surplus > fatigues, a stethoscope and a surgical mask, then you set up wherever > you can - a room, an open space, whatever, and people can come along and > bring their laptops to do bug triaging. > > The lack of facilities is all part of the ambience - I mean, "C'mon, > this is M*A*S*H Bug Triage! Where's the room??? Where's your camo?" > > --josh (i hope it doesn't come to that, but we're ready for it) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Oct 27 12:47:50 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:47:50 +1000 Subject: Missing meeting today Message-ID: <1130417270.8239.529.camel@potter.soho.bytebot.net> In all likelihood, I'll be missing the meeting today. Someone, please take minutes, thanks -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/ From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 23:42:08 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:42:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora user testimonials In-Reply-To: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> I think it is a good idea. We could have a page on fedoraproject.org dedicated to user testimonials, and have people post stuff there. For starters however, it always helps to populate the page with an entry or two. Do you guys know anyone who would volunteer to tell their story in 100-300 words so we have something to post? Cheers, a On 10/24/05, John Mahowald wrote: > I propose collecting user testimonials as a way to promote Fedora. > Actual people commenting on their experience can be a powerful > persuader. > > Of course these would have to be anonymous unless otherwise specified. > > Ways of collecting them could include an email address, web > forum/comment form, etc. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From jpmahowald at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 02:57:24 2005 From: jpmahowald at gmail.com (John Mahowald) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:57:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora user testimonials In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ea997540510271957xc04e05fw3e3a9dd660033045@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/05, Alex Maier wrote: > > For starters however, it always helps to populate the page with an entry or two. > > Do you guys know anyone who would volunteer to tell their story in > 100-300 words so we have something to post? > One place where people leave feedback is on the fedoraforum.org Fedora Focus forum. Overall reviews are generally positive. Some of them may be willing to leave their testimonial. From barzilay at redhat.com Fri Oct 28 03:03:14 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:14 +1000 Subject: Fedora user testimonials In-Reply-To: <3ea997540510271957xc04e05fw3e3a9dd660033045@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <3ea997540510271957xc04e05fw3e3a9dd660033045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130468594.3461.7.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> I suggest having some sort of agreement before posting testimonials ;) On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:57 -0500, John Mahowald wrote: > On 10/27/05, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > For starters however, it always helps to populate the page with an entry or two. > > > > Do you guys know anyone who would volunteer to tell their story in > > 100-300 words so we have something to post? > > > > One place where people leave feedback is on the fedoraforum.org Fedora > Focus forum. Overall reviews are generally positive. Some of them may > be willing to leave their testimonial. From barzilay at redhat.com Fri Oct 28 03:05:31 2005 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:05:31 +1000 Subject: Fedora user testimonials In-Reply-To: <1130468594.3461.7.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <3ea997540510271957xc04e05fw3e3a9dd660033045@mail.gmail.com> <1130468594.3461.7.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1130468731.3461.9.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> I meant before publishing... On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 13:03 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > I suggest having some sort of agreement before posting testimonials ;) > > On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:57 -0500, John Mahowald wrote: > > On 10/27/05, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > > > For starters however, it always helps to populate the page with an entry or two. > > > > > > Do you guys know anyone who would volunteer to tell their story in > > > 100-300 words so we have something to post? > > > > > > > One place where people leave feedback is on the fedoraforum.org Fedora > > Focus forum. Overall reviews are generally positive. Some of them may > > be willing to leave their testimonial. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific From kwade at redhat.com Fri Oct 28 15:43:52 2005 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:43:52 -0700 Subject: Fedora user testimonials In-Reply-To: <1130468731.3461.9.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <3ea997540510242002v4d574e90q7314b0c220c3d371@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270510271642g5d7122b1h4d83c1ecc533b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <3ea997540510271957xc04e05fw3e3a9dd660033045@mail.gmail.com> <1130468594.3461.7.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> <1130468731.3461.9.camel@maxwell.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1130514233.12794.529.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 13:05 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > I meant before publishing... > On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 13:03 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > > I suggest having some sort of agreement before posting testimonials ;) I almost wrote a post yesterday suggesting that we have a process to approve testimonials before publishing them. Then I realized ... why bother? That kind of control is typical of a closed marketing organization. I don't want to get into the game of suggesting alternate wording for people's testimonials, as I'm sure happens in closed marketing. I don't even want to correct misspellings, grammatical errors, branding mistakes, or anything. Here is my idea: 1. Let people post their testimonials. 2. We have a few people who watch that Wiki page, and pull down any inappropriate or intelligible posts. Otherwise, we let people use their own words. If they publish their words to the Wiki, they are under the agreement/license that the Wiki has. > > On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:57 -0500, John Mahowald wrote: > > > > > > One place where people leave feedback is on the fedoraforum.org Fedora > > > Focus forum. Overall reviews are generally positive. Some of them may > > > be willing to leave their testimonial. We can just link from wiki/Testimonials to the direct feedback in fedoraforum.org, right? Yes, it will also let people read the associated forum discussion, which is a fine thing. Then we don't have to ask for permission, as we are linking to something they have already published. If there are any really good ones, we can ask for permission to republish on the Wiki. Then we might need some sort of a minimal agreement, or to specify a different license for the material. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 16:12:13 2005 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:42:13 +0530 Subject: Fedora at FOSS.in/2005 Message-ID: <43639F5D.3030006@gmail.com> Hey all, I have registered to give a talk on the Fedora Project at foss.in/2005 (http://foss.in/2005). If I can get the slides of previous talks on Fedora from somewhere that would be really useful. Also, if people would tell me what people usually talk about as the positive parts of fedora, that would be REALLY helpful. Hell, I may need a mentor on this. (to at least torture in #fedora-mktg and check rough drafts of my slides). As this is an indian event, the audience will be more pro debian than usual. I have ot get a draft of the slides in by wednesday night Thanks for any help Tejas Dinkar From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 16:54:45 2005 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:54:45 -0400 Subject: Fedora at FOSS.in/2005 In-Reply-To: <43639F5D.3030006@gmail.com> References: <43639F5D.3030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270510290954r317eaeabt5d70a971b78145d9@mail.gmail.com> Great job Tejas! If you are looking for ready-made presentations and ideas for talks, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon will help you. Please follow the links to the individual FUDCons to download slides, wherever availabe. I will gladly go over your slides when you have a draft ready. Simply contact me off-list. Cheers, a On 10/29/05, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Hey all, > > I have registered to give a talk on the Fedora Project at foss.in/2005 > (http://foss.in/2005). > > If I can get the slides of previous talks on Fedora from somewhere that > would be really useful. > > Also, if people would tell me what people usually talk about as the > positive parts of fedora, that would be REALLY helpful. > > Hell, I may need a mentor on this. (to at least torture in #fedora-mktg > and check rough drafts of my slides). > > As this is an indian event, the audience will be more pro debian than > usual. I have ot get a draft of the slides in by wednesday night > > Thanks for any help > Tejas Dinkar > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- New content on FUDCon page! http://fedoraproject.org/fudcon FUDCon: Fedora Users and Developers Conference From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 17:45:08 2005 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:15:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora at FOSS.in/2005 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270510290954r317eaeabt5d70a971b78145d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <43639F5D.3030006@gmail.com> <7f617d270510290954r317eaeabt5d70a971b78145d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4363B524.50300@gmail.com> Alex Maier wrote: >Great job Tejas! > > Thanks Alex >If you are looking for ready-made presentations and ideas for talks, >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon >will help you. > >Please follow the links to the individual FUDCons to download slides, >wherever availabe. > >I will gladly go over your slides when you have a draft ready. Simply >contact me off-list. > >Cheers, >a > Unfortunately, all of the links on this page: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon2 return a 404 Is there anyway I can borrow Mr Warren Togami's Slides (fedora overview) so that I can base my own on them? Thanks Again Tejas Dinkar Perhaps just mail it to this email, if slides are under 10Mb, else put it up online