From cnegus at rucls.net Fri Dec 1 00:19:22 2006 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:19:22 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 17:37 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > Personally I'd like to name the distribution releases with "Linux", so you get > Fedora Desktop Linux 7 (Naugahyde), Fedora Server Linux 7 (Naugahyde), etc... > > A book that covers all of the Fedora Linux releases could use the > generic "Fedora Linux" term. > > We still have to name the pile of packages collection. Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name. Separate distribution releases is good too. -- Chris Negus From stb52988 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 00:52:53 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <1164892211.3443.4.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0611301652q3b50cbdfv3787bec8e92a978@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 14:43 -0500, Steve Barnhart wrote: > >> I agree, How about just keeping it Fedora and/or Fedora Linux, > >> everyone knows that and no point in confusing people again. No one > >> really cared about the Core part anyway, IMO it was a stupid name. > > > > I agree with Fedora Linux. Someone looking for a Linux system that isn't > > already in the choir will find it more easily in searches. Those of us > > who were writing about Red Hat Linux were thrown into naming hell when > > Red Hat Linux shifted to Fedora Core. Fedora Linux would have softened > > the blow. > > But, see, that's not even what we're talking about. > > > So following Chris's logic, maybe we'd fill in values as such: > X = Fedora 7 Linux > Y = Fedora 7 Linux Server > Z = Fedora 7 Linux Desktop > > And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. Because people will > say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not going to be a sufficient answer, > because "Fedora Linux" will just be too damned big. Every other distribution does this so I really don't see the problem. Keep the regular name Fedora or Fedora Linux for the entire distribution and the regular variant will be predefined packages from the Fedora repository and a special server edition if warranted. I don't see how Fedora is so different from Debian (which does it this way I believe), Opensuse, and Ubuntu, all community distributions. > Anyway. Those are the issues as I see them. Discuss. :) -- Steve From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 03:41:05 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:41:05 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <20061201034105.GA28077@gja.in> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus sent out 0.6K bytes to say: > Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name. Separate > distribution releases is good too. Having `Linux` in the Name is a baaaaaaaaaad idea. It gets the GNU guys on our *** to name it GNU/Linux Just not happening guys :p From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 03:45:51 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:45:51 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164891913.5387.0.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <1164892211.3443.4.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Greg Dekoenigsberg sent out 2.3K bytes to say: > And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. Because people will > say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not going to be a sufficient answer, > because "Fedora Linux" will just be too damned big. Why don't we drop the numbers all together? We could name them: Fedora Heibelberg Fedora Champagne Fedora Tettnang Fedora Zod Individual releases could be Fedora Zod-Server Fedora gnome-Zod Fedora KZod Fedora XFZod Fedora eZod etc, etc... From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Dec 1 03:55:36 2006 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:55:36 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedoradistribition? References: <1164891913.5387.0.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux><1164892211.3443.4.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local><1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux><456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com><456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org><7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com><15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com><1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> Message-ID: <005801c714fc$8f4ada30$0201a8c0@strikeforce> Thats not a bad idea Tejas :) Regards, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tejas Dinkar" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedoradistribition? > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Greg Dekoenigsberg sent out 2.3K bytes to say: >> And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. Because people will >> say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not going to be a sufficient >> answer, >> because "Fedora Linux" will just be too damned big. > > Why don't we drop the numbers all together? > > We could name them: > > Fedora Heibelberg > Fedora Champagne > Fedora Tettnang > Fedora Zod > > Individual releases could be > Fedora Zod-Server > Fedora gnome-Zod > Fedora KZod > Fedora XFZod > Fedora eZod > > etc, etc... > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 08:02:44 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:02:44 -0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910611301511h610049fw18bc268bd449d127@mail.gmail.com> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <604aa7910611301511h610049fw18bc268bd449d127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910612010002r76c503c0r48399e0d62ea69c9@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Fedora Promise And of course... if Fedora Promise is used as a name, we can have loads of fun complaining about when package maintainers make a mistake and push a package build which..breaks the Promise. Aren't names with 3 or 4 contextual meanings fun. -jef"F.U.B.A.R. - Fedora Users Bettering Accessibility Research"spaleta From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri Dec 1 10:30:27 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:30:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <8544.192.54.193.51.1164969027.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Ven 1 d?cembre 2006 01:19, Chris Negus a ?crit : > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 17:37 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: >> Personally I'd like to name the distribution releases with "Linux", so >> you get >> Fedora Desktop Linux 7 (Naugahyde), Fedora Server Linux 7 (Naugahyde), >> etc... >> >> A book that covers all of the Fedora Linux releases could use the >> generic "Fedora Linux" term. >> >> We still have to name the pile of packages collection. > > Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name. Separate > distribution releases is good too. Fedora GNOME collection, summer 2006 Fedora Multimedia collection, winter 2007 etc -- Nicolas Mailhot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 1 10:50:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:20:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> References: <1164891913.5387.0.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <1164892211.3443.4.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> Message-ID: <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Greg Dekoenigsberg sent out 2.3K bytes to say: >> And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. Because people will >> say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not going to be a sufficient answer, >> because "Fedora Linux" will just be too damned big. > > Why don't we drop the numbers all together? > > We could name them: > > Fedora Heibelberg > Fedora Champagne > Fedora Tettnang > Fedora Zod > > Individual releases could be > Fedora Zod-Server > Fedora gnome-Zod > Fedora KZod > Fedora XFZod > Fedora eZod > > etc, etc... We can't realistically do this. After a few releases, it would be very difficult to remember the order of releases. Rahul From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:51:36 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 03:51:36 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006, Rahul Sundaram sent out 0.8K bytes to say: > We can't realistically do this. After a few releases, it would be very > difficult to remember the order of releases. How does debian/ubuntu name stuff? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 1 12:53:37 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:23:37 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFBC3.10503@glezos.com> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> Message-ID: <457025D1.1020607@fedoraproject.org> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 01 Dec 2006, Rahul Sundaram sent out 0.8K bytes to say: >> We can't realistically do this. After a few releases, it would be very >> difficult to remember the order of releases. > > How does debian/ubuntu name stuff? Ubuntu has release versions based on schedules and codenames. Debian release timings are very long compared to Fedora's and they have version numbers too. Rahul From diegobz at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 13:22:25 2006 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:22:25 -0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> Message-ID: <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> I'm disagreement to names [debian/ubuntu]-likes. :P I think that we must have our own way to nominate the Fedora Releases. Something different... ;) Maybe: * Fedora Sever Linux 7 * Fedora GDesktop Linux 7 * Fedora KDesktop Linux 7 * Fedora XFDesktop Linux 7 or something like that... but not the same way to the Debian/Ubuntu. A number for a Release I think better to identify it. ;) Regards On 12/1/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Fri, 01 Dec 2006, Rahul Sundaram sent out 0.8K bytes to say: > > We can't realistically do this. After a few releases, it would be very > > difficult to remember the order of releases. > > How does debian/ubuntu name stuff? > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stb52988 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 19:36:22 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o wrote: > I'm disagreement to names [debian/ubuntu]-likes. :P > I think that we must have our own way to nominate the Fedora Releases. > Something different... ;) > > Maybe: > * Fedora Sever Linux 7 > * Fedora GDesktop Linux 7 > * Fedora KDesktop Linux 7 > * Fedora XFDesktop Linux 7 Unfortunately, I am in disagreement to your choice of names. Not only is that confusing to many users, but how exact would you pronounce that? If its actually pronouncing the letter and then desktop that sounds dumb. There's no need to complicate things. Keep the entire distribution Fedora and perhaps just keep counting up like we've been doing or maybe what Gentoo does with the years, that's a good idea imo also. So we could have either Fedora 7, Fedora Linux 7, or something like Fedora 2007 and then .1 .2 etc. Please don't complicate things or make even more stupid names that sometimes parts of the OSS community are known for. KISS (keep it simple stupid), and professional please. > > or something like that... but not the same way to the Debian/Ubuntu. > A number for a Release I think better to identify it. > ;) > > Regards > > > > On 12/1/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Fri, 01 Dec 2006, Rahul Sundaram sent out 0.8K bytes to say: > > > We can't realistically do this. After a few releases, it would be very > > > difficult to remember the order of releases. > > > > How does debian/ubuntu name stuff? > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Linux User #402589 > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Steve From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Dec 1 20:52:42 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:52:42 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <4570961A.5060006@prodigy.net.mx> I still think that "just Fedora" works great, or maybe Fedora GNU/Linux (yeah, I know, the GNU part... And sounds so much like Debian). At any rate, why would the distribution have to change? Yes, Extras and Core merged, but that does not mean that all packages will be available in the distributed media or images. I think that maybe keeping the same selection of packages for the typical media images would be best and have as an option install any of the additional packages at install time from Anaconda with Yum, so at installation they would still be available, and maybe have a separate set of media images which would include all the packages and span many, many more packages. It could even be done so, that it would be possible to have different "installation images" in regards of a "standard installation" (meaning the same way it has been done, five CD images, one DVD image), a small "Internet installation" image, which will feature a base system and most basic components (not to say core :D) and from which it would be possible to fetch any thing extra off the internet, very convenient for a lot of users, especially those with broad band access with the convenience of a single CD image to download, (and it could even be a small image), the caveat is the users REQUIRE Internet access. I don't think a major change in the name or anything would be strictly necessary. For the next release I'd be happy with just "fedora 7" From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 22:35:33 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> <20061201034105.GA28077@gja.in> Message-ID: On Friday, 1 Dec 2006, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus sent out 0.6K bytes to say: >> Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name. Separate >> distribution releases is good too. > > Having `Linux` in the Name is a baaaaaaaaaad idea. > > It gets the GNU guys on our *** to name it GNU/Linux > > Just not happening guys :p Not just that. If we are legitimate to use GNU/Linux we should use it to distinguish from some distributions such as Ubuntu, SuSE etc. that can't even have GNU in their names. -- Leo From stb52988 at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:05:49 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <200611301737.42964.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1164932363.26465.65.camel@einstein> <20061201034105.GA28077@gja.in> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0612011505u68478fd6u36a9235b09d1901d@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Leo wrote: > On Friday, 1 Dec 2006, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus sent out 0.6K bytes to say: > >> Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name. Separate > >> distribution releases is good too. > > > > Having `Linux` in the Name is a baaaaaaaaaad idea. > > > > It gets the GNU guys on our *** to name it GNU/Linux > > > > Just not happening guys :p > > Not just that. If we are legitimate to use GNU/Linux we should use > it to distinguish from some distributions such as Ubuntu, SuSE > etc. that can't even have GNU in their names. Umm thats ok. GNU/Linux is a horrible combination, longer to say, and half the word doesn't call it that. > -- > Leo > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Steve From pandey.pandey at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 07:33:43 2006 From: pandey.pandey at gmail.com (Rajesh Pandey) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:18:43 +0545 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <4570961A.5060006@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1164872241.456e8a31123fd@ssl.mecca.ca> <4570961A.5060006@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On 12/2/06, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > I still think that "just Fedora" works great, or maybe Fedora GNU/Linux > (yeah, I know, the GNU part... And sounds so much like Debian). At any > rate, why would the distribution have to change? Yes, Extras and Core > merged, but that does not mean that all packages will be available in > the distributed media or images. I think that maybe keeping the same > selection of packages for the typical media images would be best and > have as an option install any of the additional packages at install time > from Anaconda with Yum, so at installation they would still be > available, and maybe have a separate set of media images which would > include all the packages and span many, many more packages. Fedora : its been like a brand name and most people trust it. Adding something makes confused. Yeah we should respect the GNU part. But can't it be Fedora again as it was before? If we had Fedora before why now again.. Putting a trailing portions like Fedora 1, ... Fedora 7, Fedora $version seems reasonable for new distribution. KISS it . :P Even if we keep longer names the community will always call it just fedora .. Keeping the names always linux have made many people confused. We have Linus Torvalds inside credits, GNU inside credits. What about encaptulation.. Hiding some unwanted stuffs without breaking the rules of GNU or freedom. Everyone can look at the credits for the contributors. Its not about forcing names in their mouth every time they use linux. Every time I open a windows box or talk about windows and I have to pronounce Bill Gates once. :( not interesting.. I think We should have been liberal.. It could even be done so, that it would be possible to have different > "installation images" in regards of a "standard installation" (meaning > the same way it has been done, five CD images, one DVD image), a small > "Internet installation" image, which will feature a base system and most > basic components (not to say core :D) and from which it would be > possible to fetch any thing extra off the internet, very convenient for > a lot of users, especially those with broad band access with the > convenience of a single CD image to download, (and it could even be a > small image), the caveat is the users REQUIRE Internet access. > > I don't think a major change in the name or anything would be strictly > necessary. For the next release I'd be happy with just "fedora 7" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 3 05:31:16 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:01:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Using Linux at Work Message-ID: <45726124.8010406@fedoraproject.org> Hi "However, around 18 months ago, I built a file server for my LAN, using a VIA Epia 800MHz motherboard and a couple of 200GB hard drives. With Windows installed, it was so slow that I had 10 or 20 second delays when trying to access the share across the network. The overhead of Windows was just too great for it to work effectively ? odd for such a minor task. Finally I had the necessity and I decided to give Fedora Core 4 a go. Fedora is the free version of Red Hat, and is actually used on many web servers (including this one). It's use on web servers was a key reason to choosing this, as I wanted an environment that was similar to the Red Hat box I was used to, while also learning skills that could be transposed directly over to web server administration. Interestingly, a Fedora is the type of hat shown in the Red Hat logo (something a girlfriend of mine had to point out to me), so it is in fact a little play on words. Installing Core 4 was painless and before I knew it, I had set up a fully secure file server that was almost instant to access. It was amazing how much difference in performance there was. When mapped as a network drive, it felt like it was a drive in my computer." http://www.trustedreviews.com/editorial/2006/11/11/Using-Linux-at-Work/p1 Rahul From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Dec 3 14:00:24 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:00:24 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <456EFE85.4060401@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270611300800m1b261c9fm94b01e481fbf791c@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0611301143q6471b8e2haf4cff9990f2f059@mail.gmail.com> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165154425.5209.11.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Le vendredi 01 d?cembre 2006 ? 14:36 -0500, Steve Barnhart a ?crit : > On 12/1/06, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o wrote: > > I'm disagreement to names [debian/ubuntu]-likes. :P > > I think that we must have our own way to nominate the Fedora Releases. > > Something different... ;) > > > > Maybe: > > * Fedora Sever Linux 7 > > * Fedora GDesktop Linux 7 > > * Fedora KDesktop Linux 7 > > * Fedora XFDesktop Linux 7 > > Unfortunately, I am in disagreement to your choice of names. Not only > is that confusing to many users, but how exact would you pronounce > that? If its actually pronouncing the letter and then desktop that > sounds dumb. There's no need to complicate things. Keep the entire > distribution Fedora and perhaps just keep counting up like we've been > doing or maybe what Gentoo does with the years, that's a good idea imo > also. So we could have either Fedora 7, Fedora Linux 7, or something > like Fedora 2007 and then .1 .2 etc. We have a chance here : Fedora Core 7 will be out in 2007. What about sticking to years now ? Fedora 8 will come out in 2008 ? And name the releases according to it : Fedora Linux 7.1 for the spring release and Fedora 7.2 for the autumn release. What we can see in the fedora development is that it seems to have a major release every year or so, followed by a more polished one. FC2 was a polish release of FC1 FC4 ... FC3 FC6 ... FC5 Then we can expect FC7.1 being a major release, and FC7.2 being a polish release. -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From charles.vinchon at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 3 15:46:24 2006 From: charles.vinchon at fedoraproject.org (Charles VINCHON) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:46:24 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> <1165154425.5209.11.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: I don't like the FC X.Y format but i think that releasing one version by year instead of two is a good idea. I ask people who don't use linux what was the brand they would choose and they all have chosen "Fedora" due to its simplicity. 2006/12/3, Thomas Canniot : > We have a chance here : Fedora Core 7 will be out in 2007. What about > sticking to years now ? Fedora 8 will come out in 2008 ? > And name the releases according to it : Fedora Linux 7.1 for the spring > release and Fedora 7.2 for the autumn release. > > What we can see in the fedora development is that it seems to have a > major release every year or so, followed by a more polished one. > > FC2 was a polish release of FC1 > FC4 ... FC3 > FC6 ... FC5 > > Then we can expect FC7.1 being a major release, and FC7.2 being a polish > release. From pandey.pandey at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 15:55:55 2006 From: pandey.pandey at gmail.com (Rajesh Pandey) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:40:55 +0545 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> <1165154425.5209.11.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: +1 On 12/3/06, Charles VINCHON wrote: > > I don't like the FC X.Y format but i think that releasing one version > by year instead of two is a good idea. > > I ask people who don't use linux what was the brand they would choose > and they all have chosen "Fedora" due to its simplicity. > > 2006/12/3, Thomas Canniot : > > We have a chance here : Fedora Core 7 will be out in 2007. What about > > sticking to years now ? Fedora 8 will come out in 2008 ? > > And name the releases according to it : Fedora Linux 7.1 for the spring > > release and Fedora 7.2 for the autumn release. > > > > What we can see in the fedora development is that it seems to have a > > major release every year or so, followed by a more polished one. > > > > FC2 was a polish release of FC1 > > FC4 ... FC3 > > FC6 ... FC5 > > > > Then we can expect FC7.1 being a major release, and FC7.2 being a polish > > release. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Dec 3 16:11:23 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:11:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> <1165154425.5209.11.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: <1165162283.3301.0.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Le dimanche 03 d?cembre 2006 ? 16:46 +0100, Charles VINCHON a ?crit : > I don't like the FC X.Y format but i think that releasing one version > by year instead of two is a good idea. I don't think it is at all. The purpose of the Fedora Project is to go forward. Everybody should agree about this. > > I ask people who don't use linux what was the brand they would choose > and they all have chosen "Fedora" due to its simplicity. > > 2006/12/3, Thomas Canniot : > > We have a chance here : Fedora Core 7 will be out in 2007. What about > > sticking to years now ? Fedora 8 will come out in 2008 ? > > And name the releases according to it : Fedora Linux 7.1 for the spring > > release and Fedora 7.2 for the autumn release. > > > > What we can see in the fedora development is that it seems to have a > > major release every year or so, followed by a more polished one. > > > > FC2 was a polish release of FC1 > > FC4 ... FC3 > > FC6 ... FC5 > > > > Then we can expect FC7.1 being a major release, and FC7.2 being a polish > > release. > -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From n.losito at yahoo.it Mon Dec 4 09:54:28 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Name for future Fedora distribition? In-Reply-To: References: <1164892568.5387.2.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> <1164925980.26465.57.camel@einstein> <20061201034551.GA28182@gja.in> <457008FB.6050404@fedoraproject.org> <20061201115136.GA4544@gja.in> <6600c1b10612010522y7c9e5790o96cc16a1422ae242@mail.gmail.com> <15ce3ec0612011136i54e85dc0yeb433e732b1e9bbb@mail.gmail.com> <1165154425.5209.11.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: <24BBBD6E-5F21-4577-89EA-6B44A07C85D1@yahoo.it> Il giorno 03/dic/06, alle ore 16:46, Charles VINCHON ha scritto: > I don't like the FC X.Y format but i think that releasing one version > by year instead of two is a good idea. a longer life cycle would be welcomed by me but only if we can provide a "current" tree with latest kde or gnome or whatever to be available at people wanting to try this stuff. Also i see no point in 7.1 or 7.2 ... maybe it would be more applealing Fedora 8 and later Fedora 8.1 8 rev.A ciao -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michel.salim at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 06:50:29 2006 From: michel.salim at gmail.com (Michel Salim) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Proposal: Link to low-cost CD presses Message-ID: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I notice that quite a few of the requests made to the Free Media program came from USA, Canada, UK etc. It seems to me that at least some of the request originators would be happy to use low-cost presses like Cheapbytes instead but did not know that they exist. Could we perhaps put up a page on the Wiki with links to such sites? I've used Cheapbytes, Linux Emporium (United Kingdom) and a similar service in Indonesia in the past, and have generally been very satisfied. The Indonesian operation (I can't recall the name at the moment) even delivers by courier to your house if you live in the capital. This would probably allow us to reach more people who *really* cannot get access to the DVDs otherwise (or have reasons not to trust online vendors) Regards, -- Michel Salim http://hircus.wordpress.com/ My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed. -- Christopher Morley From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 5 06:57:17 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:57:17 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Proposal: Link to low-cost CD presses In-Reply-To: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> On 12/4/06, Michel Salim wrote: > Hello, > > I notice that quite a few of the requests made to the Free Media > program came from USA, Canada, UK etc. It seems to me that at least > some of the request originators would be happy to use low-cost presses > like Cheapbytes instead but did not know that they exist. > > Could we perhaps put up a page on the Wiki with links to such sites? > I've used Cheapbytes, Linux Emporium (United Kingdom) and a similar > service in Indonesia in the past, and have generally been very > satisfied. The Indonesian operation (I can't recall the name at the > moment) even delivers by courier to your house if you live in the > capital. > > This would probably allow us to reach more people who *really* cannot > get access to the > DVDs otherwise (or have reasons not to trust online vendors) > > Regards, > > -- > Michel Salim We've been maintaining a list of OnlineVendors for quite some times. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors I'm sure they know this page since it's been linked from the Main page. FedoraMain => GetFedora => Online Vendors Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From michel.salim at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 14:27:28 2006 From: michel.salim at gmail.com (Michel Salim) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:27:28 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Proposal: Link to low-cost CD presses In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <883cfe6d0612050627wda60fc9p9ff9441b8a0d1398@mail.gmail.com> 2006/12/5, Thomas Chung : > We've been maintaining a list of OnlineVendors for quite some times. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors > I'm sure they know this page since it's been linked from the Main page. > FedoraMain => GetFedora => Online Vendors Ah, quite right. Would it be useful to link to that page from the FreeMedia page as well? Regards, -- Michel Salim http://hircus.wordpress.com/ My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed. -- Christopher Morley From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 5 14:33:54 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:03:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Proposal: Link to low-cost CD presses In-Reply-To: <883cfe6d0612050627wda60fc9p9ff9441b8a0d1398@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> <883cfe6d0612050627wda60fc9p9ff9441b8a0d1398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45758352.3000006@fedoraproject.org> Michel Salim wrote: > 2006/12/5, Thomas Chung : > >> We've been maintaining a list of OnlineVendors for quite some times. >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors >> I'm sure they know this page since it's been linked from the Main page. >> FedoraMain => GetFedora => Online Vendors > > Ah, quite right. Would it be useful to link to that page from the > FreeMedia page as well? Done. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 5 19:53:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:23:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Child's play: Sneaking a peek at the OLPC OS Message-ID: <4575CE22.2020502@fedoraproject.org> Hi Describes the Sugar user interface more than the operating system but folks here might find this interesting http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/30/206212 Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Dec 6 16:12:49 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:12:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Proposal: Link to low-cost CD presses In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d0612042250v27f9bc21g5e00bbb013ac923c@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0612042257u7a8cc987ub6362a453947d2d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Thomas Chung wrote: > We've been maintaining a list of OnlineVendors for quite some times. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors > I'm sure they know this page since it's been linked from the Main page. > FedoraMain => GetFedora => Online Vendors Heh. I wouldn't be so sure that the casual user: a. Knows that "fedoraproject.org" is the first place to look; b. Doesn't get distracted by other links all over every page; c. Knows how to read. :) I think the vendor list is reasonably well-placed, and has decent visibility -- but I wouldn't be so sure that it's where everybody ends up when they need to get a DVD. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From gerold at lugd.org Wed Dec 6 20:54:31 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:54:31 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Meeting minutes of the FAD Message-ID: <1165438471.19905.22.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Hello Ambassadors, ML's and friends! the last weekend, we had our first FAD (== Fedora Ambassador Meeting) in EMEA. 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Comments welcome. http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/pdfs/LXF87.review.pdf http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/katz.html Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 7 01:26:26 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:56:26 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Oreilly blogs, Opinion: Why Fedora Matters Message-ID: <45776DC2.7040106@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/11/why_fedora_matters.html Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 16:41:45 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:41:45 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Linux format: Fedora Core 6 vs Ubuntu 6.10 References: <45775D1B.7050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Thanks to Andy Hudson for providing me with the link. Linux format (UK > magazine) has more articles covering the governance model, growth of > the community, interview with Jack Aboutboul, Karsten Wade and more > but they are not publicly available. Comments welcome. > > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/pdfs/LXF87.review.pdf > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/katz.html > > Rahul Again, the slowness of yum and its derivatives are an eyesore for ages. Should we do something to change that? -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 7 16:42:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:12:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Linux format: Fedora Core 6 vs Ubuntu 6.10 In-Reply-To: References: <45775D1B.7050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4578445D.7060203@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Thanks to Andy Hudson for providing me with the link. Linux format (UK >> magazine) has more articles covering the governance model, growth of >> the community, interview with Jack Aboutboul, Karsten Wade and more >> but they are not publicly available. Comments welcome. >> >> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/pdfs/LXF87.review.pdf >> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/katz.html >> >> Rahul > > Again, the slowness of yum and its derivatives are an eyesore for > ages. Should we do something to change that? We already are. Its a continuous process. https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum-devel/2006-November/002839.html https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum-devel/2006-December/002915.html Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 16:45:59 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:45:59 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On MON, 20 NOV 2006, Michel Salim wrote: > Best bet seems to be to contact Chinese universities and ISPs and ask > if they could donate the bandwith and disk space for such a mirror. > > Cheers, > > -- > Michel Salim > > Don't worry about avoiding temptation -- as you grow older, it starts > avoiding you. > -- The Old Farmer's Almanac It turns out there are one or two universities provide such mirror service. But they are not public to the world. So I won't post them. As far as I know, there are far more mirrors for Debian and Ubuntu and I have no idea why. -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 7 16:49:27 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:19:27 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China In-Reply-To: References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45784617.3040104@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On MON, 20 NOV 2006, Michel Salim wrote: > >> Best bet seems to be to contact Chinese universities and ISPs and ask >> if they could donate the bandwith and disk space for such a mirror. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> Michel Salim >> >> Don't worry about avoiding temptation -- as you grow older, it starts >> avoiding you. >> -- The Old Farmer's Almanac > > It turns out there are one or two universities provide such mirror > service. But they are not public to the world. So I won't post > them. As far as I know, there are far more mirrors for Debian and > Ubuntu and I have no idea why. Are you guessing or do you have numbers? Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 18:32:42 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:32:42 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> <45784617.3040104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: [...] >> It turns out there are one or two universities provide such mirror >> service. But they are not public to the world. So I won't post >> them. As far as I know, there are far more mirrors for Debian and >> Ubuntu and I have no idea why. > > Are you guessing or do you have numbers? > Numbers. I follow closely in some Chinese communities. -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 7 18:38:31 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:08:31 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China In-Reply-To: References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> <45784617.3040104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45785FA7.9030802@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > [...] > >>> It turns out there are one or two universities provide such mirror >>> service. But they are not public to the world. So I won't post >>> them. As far as I know, there are far more mirrors for Debian and >>> Ubuntu and I have no idea why. >> Are you guessing or do you have numbers? >> > > Numbers. I follow closely in some Chinese communities. Would you list the mirrors (vs other distributions) and contact points offlist if needed? We can followup and see if we can get more mirrors in those regions. Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 19:02:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:02:22 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> <45784617.3040104@fedoraproject.org> <45785FA7.9030802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Would you list the mirrors (vs other distributions) and contact points > offlist if needed? We can followup and see if we can get more mirrors > in those regions. I am trying to collect some information and I'll write back asap. -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 8 01:14:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:44:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Linux for you articles Message-ID: <4578BC82.4060802@fedoraproject.org> Hi Article covering the history of Fedora and interview with Max Spevack. Posted to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 00:00:24 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:00:24 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Mirror in Main China References: <883cfe6d0611191903q7e4e2e9ek8c4bd0af65c260a3@mail.gmail.com> <45784617.3040104@fedoraproject.org> <45785FA7.9030802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: * [2006.12.8 00:08 +0530] Rahul Sundaram wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Leo wrote: >> On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> [...] > >> >>>> It turns out there are one or two universities provide such mirror >>>> service. But they are not public to the world. So I won't post >>>> them. As far as I know, there are far more mirrors for Debian and >>>> Ubuntu and I have no idea why. >>> Are you guessing or do you have numbers? >>> >> >> Numbers. I follow closely in some Chinese communities. > > Would you list the mirrors (vs other distributions) and contact points > offlist if needed? We can followup and see if we can get more mirrors > in those regions. > > Rahul I have sent an mail to you with all the mirrors I found. -- Leo From gerold at lugd.org Mon Dec 11 09:53:12 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] [Fwd: Re: Meeting minutes of the FAD] Message-ID: <1165830792.9335.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> it seems that Thorsten cann't send directly :-( -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- > Von: Thorsten Leemhuis > An: Gerold Kassube > Kopie: Fedora-Ambassadors , > Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > > Betreff: Re: Meeting minutes of the FAD > Datum: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:39:27 +0100 > > Hi All! > > Gerold Kassube schrieb: > > the last weekend, we had our first FAD (== Fedora Ambassador Meeting) in > > EMEA. > > We had nice and productive days for the Fedora Ambassador Project and we > > proudly present to you what we have done and dicussed. > > > > All information which we like to announce can be found at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/PassedFADs > > I was invited hearty to the FAD, but I could not visit it due to private > matters. But Gerold asked me to look trough the posted docs and give a > short feedback to the list, so here I am: > > "Ambassadors from Red Hat should show more commitment to the Fedora > ambassadors project" -> I agree mostly -- especially in the beginning > and in countries/areas where a local group of Ambassadors is not yet > working properly that's needed until the baby steps are done and a group > has grown up. Yeah, I know, that's often quite some work. BTW, the > german ambassadors seems to be a good example where a bit of Red Hat > involvement helped a lot. > > "dying Fedora Weekly Reports" -- that would be sad, I liked the idea, > the format and the content a lot, but I have no time to help there :-/ . > Why can't we merge fedoranews.org and the weekly reports? That would be > a step in the right direction. Sure, the stuff from fedoranews.org can > write about nvidia, ati or 3rd party add-on repos. But most of the stuff > that written there currently isn't like that and would be fine for > fedoraproject.org afaics. fedoranews.org could continue with reporting > the stuff that is forbidden for fedoraproject.org (as a add-on or > something like that). And ahte weekly reports need to be annouced > properly... > > "Gerold: There should be better communication with leading departments > of different projects to other ambassadors" -- Agreed, we all (Core, > Extras, marketing, ambassadors, ...) don't talk enough with each other. > I think we need a fedora-project mailinglist (or something like that) > where we can discuss such stuff more together. Stuff like > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2006-November/msg00039.html > could be discussed there, too. At the same time need to get rid of some > other lists and put some serious thoughts info a > mailinglist-cleanup/reordering. Or morph fedora-maintainers into > fedora-contributors and open it for all fedora-contributors. > > "there should be no global vote for FAMSCo, but vote per region." -> > related, not that important and just FYI: there was the plan in > fedora-extras to get contributors more involved by letting them vote on > important stuff and not only on a committee. But that's just a rough > idea for the long term. http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/ could > be a help there if we don't want to maintain the voting mechanism ourselfs. > > "Ambassadors Mailing List closed to non-ambassadors but archives opened" > -- why not a readonly variant just like FAB uses -- reading the archives > trough the mailman web-interface or by downloading mboxes sucks. > > "Joerg: There was recently press contact demands and german ambassadors > helped." -- we really should have local contacts for the press > documented properly in the wiki as that quite important IMHO. > > CU > thl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now Fedora Directory Server (FDS), Red Hat's open source LDAP server, makes setting up an enterprise directory server on Linux simple." http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/11/28/2019258.shtml?tid=129&tid=100 Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Dec 12 18:27:13 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:27:13 -0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Linux+ Magazine - Special Edition - Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <457EF481.8020001@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Special Edition - Fedora Core 6 Know-How http://www.lpmagazine.org/en/linuxplus/issues/1_2007.html ASS: Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFfvSBPg3HAC1vlg4RAtg/AJ4nIjvIk8P0lnt1w3N2g1wZ862D1QCfS+3q hT7O+Ad7AkkNGRH2SH1qCKk= =if1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 13 10:49:37 2006 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:49:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora LiveCD versus LiveSpin Message-ID: <1166006977.2854.20.camel@fc6.falloy.be> Hi, To spread Fedora and all its stuffs, I'm curently writind a few lines about liveCD, for french community documentation. I was only writing about the FedoraUnity project which is LiveSpin. But the FWN 70 presents an "official LiveCD" with lots of new fun features. Before updating my note, I would like to know if this new LiveCD is still in development or fully usable? What will happend to LiveSpin? Do I still promote it? Thanks for your advices, Maxime -- Maxime Carron Fedora Ambassador Fedora-fr Community Manager From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 13 11:19:24 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:49:24 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora LiveCD versus LiveSpin In-Reply-To: <1166006977.2854.20.camel@fc6.falloy.be> References: <1166006977.2854.20.camel@fc6.falloy.be> Message-ID: <457FE1BC.5030203@fedoraproject.org> Maxime Carron wrote: > Hi, > > To spread Fedora and all its stuffs, I'm curently writind a few lines > about liveCD, for french community documentation. > > I was only writing about the FedoraUnity project which is LiveSpin. But > the FWN 70 presents an "official LiveCD" with lots of new fun features. > > Before updating my note, I would like to know if this new LiveCD is > still in development or fully usable? Still in development. What was released is a beta live CD and more working is going on to improve the tools and process of creating other variants that end users might want. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD > What will happend to LiveSpin? Do I still promote it? Sure. Alteast till we have a official non-beta release of the Live CD, the Live spins serve a good purpose. Feedback on the current beta would be useful too from interested testers. Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 13 17:04:40 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:04:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Linux+ Magazine - Special Edition - Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <457EF481.8020001@projetofedora.org> References: <457EF481.8020001@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4e08525d0612130904s4e2c5b12q41cdc41fd814d00e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Hmm, it's nice to see my own name there as one of the authors :) It's a big honor for me I could write an article about Fedora. I'll also write news from the Fedora world in every month's issue :) Regards, Pawel On 12/12/06, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Special Edition - Fedora Core 6 Know-How > > http://www.lpmagazine.org/en/linuxplus/issues/1_2007.html > > > ASS: Rodrigo Padula > Brazilian Fedora Project > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFfvSBPg3HAC1vlg4RAtg/AJ4nIjvIk8P0lnt1w3N2g1wZ862D1QCfS+3q > hT7O+Ad7AkkNGRH2SH1qCKk= > =if1M > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 13 19:25:43 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:25:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Linux+ Magazine - Special Edition - Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <45803A2E.70204@fedoraproject.org> References: <457EF481.8020001@projetofedora.org> <4e08525d0612130904s4e2c5b12q41cdc41fd814d00e@mail.gmail.com> <45803A2E.70204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4e08525d0612131125w5228979bpd53bd3f9c9f9c64e@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, in the agreement there's written I give them the copyrights. I base my news mainly on FedoraNEWS, so we don't loss much :) It's rather the form of presenting news from the Fedora world to the readers. I also put there another information, such as the news from Fedora.pl (Polish site and support forum), and generally what important happens in the Fedora community. Of course I would with pleasure also write for FedoraNEWS, but when I will have a bit more time - now I'm really swamped. 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Interestingly, they didn't take Ubuntu although it is all the hype now, at least in Europe Ubuntu is more widely used than FC. I haven't bought it yet for temporary lack of cash but if anybody here wants me to buy it so I can tell you of its contents, please tell me. regards, Herman From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Dec 13 19:47:13 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:47:13 -0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core - Brazilian PC MASTER Magazine Message-ID: <458058C1.40401@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brazilian magazine - PC MASTER Special edition with Fedora Core 6 DVD http://www.europanet.com.br/euro2003/index.php?cat_id=522 ASS: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFgFjBPg3HAC1vlg4RAmpGAJ9CJKhmra9/Ga5wetfGj7VD/Gjn8ACdEXRd YvDPLEiK2wj5jv+gWLLUC98= =Dkwq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 18 19:40:58 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:40:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] sun java and forbidden items ? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Isn't time to change the paragraph for Sun Java in wiki page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Sun_Java ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 18 19:46:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:16:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] sun java and forbidden items ? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4586EFFE.9050803@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Isn't time to change the paragraph for Sun Java in wiki page : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Sun_Java ? > Yes. Dropped it. Parts of the JDK is still encumbered by third party licensed code and the expectation is we would be able to include within a release or two once it is entirely under a Free software license. Good work Sun. Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Dec 18 20:17:20 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] sun java and forbidden items ? In-Reply-To: <4586EFFE.9050803@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> <4586EFFE.9050803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200612181517.20541.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 18 December 2006 14:46, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Isn't time to change the paragraph for Sun Java in wiki page : > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Sun_Java ? > > Yes. Dropped it. Parts of the JDK is still encumbered by third party > licensed code and the expectation is we would be able to include within > a release or two once it is entirely under a Free software license. Good > work Sun. Er, until such time as that happens, these things remain forbidden items. Lets not jump the gun here. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 18 20:19:18 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:19:18 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] sun java and forbidden items ? In-Reply-To: <200612181517.20541.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> <4586EFFE.9050803@fedoraproject.org> <200612181517.20541.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612181219i3b562154qab286beeba7542d4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > Er, until such time as that happens, these things remain forbidden items. > Lets not jump the gun here. Can you update the wiki page, stating Fedora's position about this ? It might be useful to give ambassadors the exactly information to spread :) Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From overholt at redhat.com Tue Dec 19 13:47:14 2006 From: overholt at redhat.com (Andrew Overholt) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:47:14 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] sun java and forbidden items ? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0612181219i3b562154qab286beeba7542d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0612181140t4bb3337fh76e88832e11758b3@mail.gmail.com> <4586EFFE.9050803@fedoraproject.org> <200612181517.20541.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <13dbfe4f0612181219i3b562154qab286beeba7542d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1166536034.3839.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-18-12 at 21:19 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 12/18/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > > Er, until such time as that happens, these things remain forbidden items. > > Lets not jump the gun here. > > Can you update the wiki page, stating Fedora's position about this ? > It might be useful to give ambassadors the exactly information to spread :) Is what's there now good? It seems fine to me. Andrew -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit/ReleaseProcess for the proposal to extend the lifecycle. Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 19 16:24:49 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:24:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Nicola Losito wrote: > How comes that in these last days I've never heard a word about Fedora > Legacy slow dying ? > > I think it's a great loss, that it will affect a not so little portion of > audience and that will need some changing in the release cycle of ours future > releases of Fedora. > > Am i the only one seeing this ? The decision to terminate the official Fedora Legacy project was based on: 1. The decision to extend the lifespan of Fedora updates from 11 months to 13 months starting with FC6, thus allowing people to upgrade every two releases instead of every single release; 2. The unfortunate fact that Fedora Legacy didn't have many volunteers, and wasn't keeping up; 3. The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need a longer update cycle than 13 months. Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they so choose. Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own version of the Legacy project. Realistically, though: without a substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not viable. Especially when compared to CentOS. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 19 18:44:49 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:44:49 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > 3. The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need > a longer update cycle than 13 months. > > Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they > so choose. Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own > version of the Legacy project. Realistically, though: without a > substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not > viable. Especially when compared to CentOS. If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work with centos repositories ? Afterall Centos is also of fedora family. And that will benefit both communities as well. cheers, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 19 18:48:16 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:18:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458833F0.2010308@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> 3. The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who >> need >> a longer update cycle than 13 months. >> >> Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they >> so choose. Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own >> version of the Legacy project. Realistically, though: without a >> substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not >> viable. Especially when compared to CentOS. > > If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a > chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were > supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work > with centos repositories ? It wont work that way. CentOS repositories since they are rebuilds of RHEL will likely carry older versions of software with backported fixes. Pointing Fedora to CentOS repositories doesnt make any sense at all. They are two different variants. Rahul From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 19 18:59:33 2006 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:59:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1166554773.2827.8.camel@fc6.falloy.be> I don't agree. Closing Legacy is like choosing CentOS as the community version of RH instead of FC, and reducing FC to the testing one. Moreover CentOS is just one of the many RH Clones! I think this is a very bad news. Le mardi 19 d?cembre 2006 ? 19:44 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH a ?crit : > On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > 3. The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need > > a longer update cycle than 13 months. > > > > Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they > > so choose. Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own > > version of the Legacy project. Realistically, though: without a > > substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not > > viable. Especially when compared to CentOS. > > If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a > chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were > supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work > with centos repositories ? > > Afterall Centos is also of fedora family. And that will benefit both > communities as well. > > cheers, > Chitlesh > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > -- Maxime Carron Fedora Ambassador Fedora-fr Community Manager From gdk at redhat.com Tue Dec 19 19:01:54 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:01:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: <1166554773.2827.8.camel@fc6.falloy.be> References: <13dbfe4f0612191044y1d126f99g62af6f66ba995c21@mail.gmail.com> <1166554773.2827.8.camel@fc6.falloy.be> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Maxime Carron wrote: > I don't agree. > Closing Legacy is like choosing CentOS as the community version of RH > instead of FC, and reducing FC to the testing one. > Moreover CentOS is just one of the many RH Clones! > > I think this is a very bad news. I'm sure there are many people who will feel that way. So here's the question: will you, Maxime, step up to the challenge and volunteer to maintain patches in Fedora Legacy? Because that, friends, is the key question. It's not as though the SRPMS will disappear from the face of the earth when Fedora versions are retired. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From mattdm at mattdm.org Tue Dec 19 19:18:18 2006 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061219191818.GA26757@jadzia.bu.edu> On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:24:49AM -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > 2. The unfortunate fact that Fedora Legacy didn't have many volunteers, > and wasn't keeping up; It's not fair to blame the volunteers. There wasn't the right infrastructure for volunteers, either. Chicken and egg. Possibly someone awesome and energetic could have seized the project and ran with it (as Jesse did to start it), but that's a lot to hope for and too much to count on. > Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they > so choose. Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own > version of the Legacy project. Realistically, though: without a > substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not > viable. Especially when compared to CentOS. So, maybe some stronger bridges to (and, most to the point, back *from*) CentOS are in order.... -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Dec 19 19:30:25 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:30:25 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy In-Reply-To: <20061219191818.GA26757@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20061219191818.GA26757@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <200612191430.25767.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:18, Matthew Miller wrote: > It's not fair to blame the volunteers. There wasn't the right > infrastructure for volunteers, either. Chicken and egg. Possibly someone > awesome and energetic could have seized the project and ran with it (as > Jesse did to start it), but that's a lot to hope for and too much to count > on. I don't believe the infrastructure was all that much of a problem. People who came to me with interest in helping out got access to the tools to help out. Some learning curve, but not much. Other people helped with filing bug reports, or testing packages. Even those dropped off, which is a telling sign. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to a conference call established to accommodate team members unable to make the trip to Massachusetts, the meeting was also transcribed live in an IRC channel that drew more than 100 members of the Fedora community." Also some draft plans for F7 at http://lwn.net/Articles/214925/rss Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 13:24:03 2006 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (Susmit Shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:54:03 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] About changing the PressArchive page. Message-ID: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, This is about the PressArchieve page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Today I was adding some articles to it and suddenly i found that it was not attracting me at all, the main reason being it too long and filled with so many links. I think this would be better if we >> keep only a main table consisting of a primary indexes here. (Say FC6,FC7,General,Indexes and so on.) >>Link those indexes to seperate pages, >> We can create a page for each elements, That is one page for FC6 ,another for FC7 , another for interviews etc etc. This will have two advantages. >> This page will be more neat. >> Findind out links on a particular topic will be easy. What do you think about it? If you agree, I can do that myself. Oh, Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you all. Regards, Susmit, Fedora Ambassador,India -- ssh *0x86DD170A* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 22 18:32:47 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:02:47 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] About changing the PressArchive page. In-Reply-To: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458C24CF.6070805@fedoraproject.org> Susmit Shannigrahi wrote: > I think this would be better if we > >> keep only a main table consisting of a primary indexes here. (Say > FC6,FC7,General,Indexes and so on.) > >>Link those indexes to seperate pages, > >> We can create a page for each elements, That is one page for FC6 > ,another for FC7 , another for interviews etc etc. > > > This will have two advantages. > >> This page will be more neat. > >> Findind out links on a particular topic will be easy. > > What do you think about it? > If you agree, I can do that myself. Yep. That page needs some love. Can you redesign the page under your homepage and show us how it looks? That would help make a quick decision. > > > Oh, Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you all. Same here. Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 18:55:52 2006 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:25:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] About changing the PressArchive page. In-Reply-To: <458C24CF.6070805@fedoraproject.org> References: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> <458C24CF.6070805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > > Yep. That page needs some love. Can you redesign the page under your > homepage and show us how it looks? That would help make a quick decision. Sure I would do that...and letting you know as soon possible. -- ssh 0x86DD170A From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 02:46:00 2006 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (Susmit Shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:16:00 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] About changing the PressArchive page. In-Reply-To: References: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> <458C24CF.6070805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64edf44d0612231846w3babd8des83feaaa22d2fcf6c@mail.gmail.com> Here is a draft page for the PressArchieve.Check it and comment. Also you can change it, if you wish so. fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi/pressarchievetest1 This is for testing only..These are not officially accepted pages. -- ssh 0x86DD170A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 24 03:32:51 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:02:51 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] About changing the PressArchive page. In-Reply-To: <64edf44d0612231846w3babd8des83feaaa22d2fcf6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <64edf44d0612220524s667dba96sc98dfbc258be538a@mail.gmail.com> <458C24CF.6070805@fedoraproject.org> <64edf44d0612231846w3babd8des83feaaa22d2fcf6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458DF4E3.1000208@fedoraproject.org> Susmit Shannigrahi wrote: > Here is a draft page for the PressArchieve.Check it and comment. > Also you can change it, if you wish so. > > fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi/pressarchievetest1 > > > This is for testing only..These are not officially accepted pages. Got the idea. Please go ahead. I got some minor changes to make that I will do later on. Thank you. Rahul