From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 6 11:24:29 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:54:29 +0530 Subject: Slowing down Fedora Core:LWN Message-ID: <43E731ED.70801@fedoraproject.org> Hi The effect of a huge discussion after the transfer of Fedora Core 3 to Fedora Legacy in fedora-list and fedora-devel-list http://lwn.net/Articles/168907/ -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 6 15:21:54 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:21:54 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: press release format, for translation too] Message-ID: <1139239315.27661.312.camel@erato.phig.org> Greg at al: Please take a look at the press release format that Tommy put together. Working in XML allows us to plug into translation easily. If you want the full thread, I explain some of the other ideas we have thought about: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2006-February/msg00028.html Tommy's solution is nice because it's easy to edit, IMO. Hopefully it's easy enough even for Marketing types. /me runs -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Tommy Reynolds Reply-To: For participants of the Documentation Project To: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: press release format, for translation too Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:04:50 -0600 Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > > Got an example of a pretty press release you like? > IMO, it should be like what are delivered to Business Wire. Plain text, > written to follow a non-bylined journalistic style: > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060131/20060131005159.html?.v=1 I've put together a 0.0.0.0test1 version of a Press Release technology, based on a tiny DTD and an XSL stylesheet. It's not DocBook, but still tiny enough to be understood or copied at a glance. Find a copy at: http://www.megacoder.com/pub/press/ ftp://ftp.megacoder.com/pub/press/ I've also included a dummy release in both PDF and TXT formats, made using the latest FOP from CVS and my hacked xmlto that uses it. Lacking that, you should be able to run xsltproc manually. I didn't quite know what to do about identifying the source of the press release, or a byline, or the like, so I just left it out. They could be added if you have an example; I'm flying blind here. Cheers -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 6 16:12:17 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:12:17 +0100 Subject: Distributing Kadischi FC5 Test 2 Live cds Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602060812hc210e36sd6ab6468ebf05da3@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Finally, we (Kadischi Contributors) came out with a ""working"" Kadischi for Fedora Core 5 Test 2. Some of you have read about our progress on fp.org/people or on my blog. Ive shown to some of my friends my live cd today based on Fedora Core 5 Test 2. Most of them have seen Fedora Core 4 and Fedora Core 5 Test 2 has shown them how much progress we've made. The comments were fairly outstanding especially for our new Logo and artwork. 2 FC4 users are planning to shift to FC5 once it's out. Ive seen ThomasChung has launched a FreeMedia project. Personally this is a great idea. But now soon Fedora Core 5 will be out with THE NEW LOGO. We need to start something exceptional for this upcoming release. Im burning some copies of my Fedora Live CD for tomorrow's lug meeting. Im thinking about sets of: -(only) Gnome based cds -(only) KDE based cds (some guys are pro-kde) :) - a complete dvd Sure there will be based only on the Fedora Policies :) So maybe this might be another aspect of FreeMedia Project. If you are testing Kadischi to build FC5T2 live cds, Ill remind you that - kadischi is still in its early development stages - testers are welcomed - anaconda does not need patches - building FC5T2 live cds is DIFFERENT from building FC4 live cds Well, Ill be updating http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development wiki page tonight, I call for patience :) I remind to newcomers(ambassadors) that Kadischi is a Fedora Live CD Creator Tool :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:21:33 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:21:33 -0500 Subject: Distributing Kadischi FC5 Test 2 Live cds In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602060812hc210e36sd6ab6468ebf05da3@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602060812hc210e36sd6ab6468ebf05da3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270602061121s3ba8ef5byf19f898b17549c44@mail.gmail.com> Wow, you totally rock Chitlesh! Kudos! a On 2/6/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Finally, we (Kadischi Contributors) came out with a ""working"" > Kadischi for Fedora Core 5 Test 2. Some of you have read about our > progress on fp.org/people or on my blog. Ive shown to some of my > friends my live cd today based on Fedora Core 5 Test 2. Most of them > have seen Fedora Core 4 and Fedora Core 5 Test 2 has shown them how > much progress we've made. The comments were fairly outstanding > especially for our new Logo and artwork. 2 FC4 users are planning to > shift to FC5 once it's out. > > Ive seen ThomasChung has launched a FreeMedia project. Personally this > is a great idea. But now soon Fedora Core 5 will be out with THE NEW > LOGO. We need to start something exceptional for this upcoming > release. > > Im burning some copies of my Fedora Live CD for tomorrow's lug meeting. > Im thinking about sets of: > -(only) Gnome based cds > -(only) KDE based cds (some guys are pro-kde) :) > - a complete dvd > > Sure there will be based only on the Fedora Policies :) > > So maybe this might be another aspect of FreeMedia Project. > > If you are testing Kadischi to build FC5T2 live cds, Ill remind you that > - kadischi is still in its early development stages > - testers are welcomed > - anaconda does not need patches > - building FC5T2 live cds is DIFFERENT from building FC4 live cds > > Well, Ill be updating > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development wiki page tonight, > I call for patience :) > > I remind to newcomers(ambassadors) that Kadischi is a Fedora Live CD > Creator Tool :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From pablo at inflexia.com.ar Tue Feb 7 12:50:30 2006 From: pablo at inflexia.com.ar (Pablo Barrera Franco [Fedora Ambassador]) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:50:30 -0300 Subject: Fedora Ambassador Walker Book Project In-Reply-To: <200602070426.k174QpCh002711@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200602070426.k174QpCh002711@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43E89796.3030501@inflexia.com.ar> Thinking about our needs to promote Fedora, Free and Open Source Software, I think that could be an interesting idea develope a "Walker Book" to spread Fedora Potential and FOSS ideas. Contents, slides, tech and non-tech content that could help us to "unify the speech"around the world. If the Counsil is agree I would Like to start this project in the Main Wiki. *Another Tips* Next week will be on line www.fedoracore.com.ar. The objetive for this website is bring Spanish guide to Fedora and Open Source contents. This will be developed with Joomla Technolgy and Wiki, Chat rooms, etc. Red Hat for South Cone will bring me some help to start Fedora Community in Argentina for a start. I will recieve help from another local community members.We will start with a Fedora Core Conference in Buenos Aires probably before FISL7. Waiting for feedback Ill recieve your advices with pleasure. Best Regards PabloBarrera From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 9 20:10:16 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:10:16 +0100 Subject: Draft: Marketing Wiki Page Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602091210y3441fa31xe524e8788bd6da9c@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Since Ive redesigned the Layout of Kadischi's wiki page (though not completed yet) previously, some examples: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/FAQ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development I got some suggestions to design a template. Following an IRC discussion with Rahul, last month, we came up with the idea of designing a template before the Fedora Core 5 Release. I did it now, at least a draft . Here it is : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/Marketing compare it with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing do pop up you suggestions or comments, whatever. I've read before somewhere I guess Barz wrote that the SC will be working out a template. I dont recall whether its a wiki template or not. Maybe this might become one of your drafts. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 9 20:22:08 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:22:08 -0800 Subject: Draft: Marketing Wiki Page In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602091210y3441fa31xe524e8788bd6da9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602091210y3441fa31xe524e8788bd6da9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060209201946.M42096@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:10:16 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > Here it is : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/Marketing > > compare it with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > > do pop up you suggestions or comments, whatever. I've read before > somewhere I guess Barz wrote that the SC will be working out a > template. I dont recall whether its a wiki template or not. Maybe this > might become one of your drafts. Hi Chitlesh, I'll forward your message to Fedora WebGroup[1] for more feedbacks. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/WebGroup -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 10 02:46:01 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:46:01 -0800 Subject: Warren Togami Talks at the SCALE Message-ID: <20060210023715.M89330@fedoraproject.org> Hi All, I'm happy to report Warren Togami was accepted as a speaker at SCALE (Southern California Linux Expo). He'll be giving a talk "Why Fedora?" on February 11th between 3:00pm-4:00pm in Room C. * list of speakers - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/speakers.php * his intro page - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/speakers/speakers_togami.php * full schedule - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/hours.php For more information, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SCALE Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Feb 10 16:49:59 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draft: Marketing Wiki Page In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602091210y3441fa31xe524e8788bd6da9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060210164959.47317.qmail@web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey man, I think this is very good: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/Marketing Good job, Rodrigo Menezes Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: Hello Everyone, Since Ive redesigned the Layout of Kadischi's wiki page (though not completed yet) previously, some examples: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/FAQ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Development I got some suggestions to design a template. Following an IRC discussion with Rahul, last month, we came up with the idea of designing a template before the Fedora Core 5 Release. I did it now, at least a draft . Here it is : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/Marketing compare it with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing do pop up you suggestions or comments, whatever. I've read before somewhere I guess Barz wrote that the SC will be working out a template. I dont recall whether its a wiki template or not. Maybe this might become one of your drafts. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The decision is ultimately up to the Fedora Foundation board and a few key personnel. The idea already has the backing of the Fedora Documentation Project, myself, and our top wiki editors. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiLicenseTalk -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ -- Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do it -jef From gerold at lugd.org Wed Feb 15 08:09:15 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:15 +0100 Subject: Wiki Licensing In-Reply-To: <200602142052.21336.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200602142052.21336.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1139990955.3028.2.camel@NB-Fedora.homenet.local> > If the decision is made to go through with this plan (and, no, it isn't a > vote), changes would happen quickly. ^^ So there's no more question; go on realizing! Gerold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The OPL is a policy we need to set for all content that is copyright of the Foundation. The same content can be dual-licensed (or triple- licensed), it's just that the Foundation wants to use the OPL. This matters because of how we interact with other knowledge repositories. This weekend the Fedora Unity project is voting on using the OPL for their websites, and I'm going to be at that meeting to encourage that they do for interoperability. We have to consider this when approving additional Fedora websites as formal. The owners of that content are welcome to whatever license they prefer, but if they don't also put it under the OPL, we cannot intermingle with it. Shame for modularity and reduction of efforts. > This will require some dramatic actions and changes, > and will have a huge impact on contributions to the wiki. The single biggest > change would be the requirement of the CLA for EditGroup privileges. While I'm in favor [below for reason], I note that this is a sea change. Adding someone to the Wiki has gone from: 1. Add them to EditGroup 2. ??? 3. Profit to: 1. Get them started on admin.fedora. 2. Teach them about GPG. 3. Wait and watch 50% of them disappear. 4. ... We have benefited from very low barriers when it comes to the Wiki. The question is, is the barrier too low? Greg had suggested that we just put out on the sign-up page, this is OPL, like this has: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/ContentLicense AIUI, that page is lawyer-dude approved. Without the CLA, the Foundation doesn't have any copyright on the materials, but if we create a mechanism that is a click-through agreement to use the OPL, aren't we covered for the future of that content? If they put it on the Wiki, it is OPL, so we can use it, and who cares about the copyright? Well, only if we want to relicense *again* someday, and, Lords and Ladies, I hope I am not around if that happens. [reason] Why am I in favor of the CLA for all contributors (code and content)? Because then we _never_have_to_do_this_again_. We are looking at having to pull out content from the Wiki from anyone who doesn't agree to the OPL. Just think about that. For the XML in CVS, which you have to have a CLA to get into, if someone doesn't agree, that's OK, Fedora can fork and relicense as a copyright holder. Right? Our job is to convince every single content contributor that this license changes is a Good Thing. And it really is. But you know how people are ... So: * We risk losing active contributors who don't like our tactics, no matter what they are. * We risk future contributors who don't want to get over the barrier. A question is: * What is fedoraproject.org? 1. End-user created documentation? 2. Project-member created documentation? If it is 2, then it has to have the same protections and guarantees as the rest of the code. Without the CLA in place, we cannot guarantee that the content we are providing is going to remain forever free/libre. > Rather > than make a closed and unilateral decision, this is now briefly open for > discussion. The currently-proposed plan is now on the wiki[2], and this wiki > page is the place to add your comments. You may subscribe to the page if you > wish to keep track of things. > > If the decision is made to go through with this plan (and, no, it isn't a > vote), To be clear, the OPL change to the Wiki is not what is up to vote. How we implement that change is up to discussion. Please help us make the right decision. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Wed Feb 15 16:13:23 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:13:23 -0800 Subject: Wiki Licensing In-Reply-To: <1140015449.18050.79.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200602142052.21336.nman64@n-man.com> <1140015449.18050.79.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1140020003.3798.14.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 06:57 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 20:52 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > The Fedora Documentation Project has agreed to the OPL[1] for all formal > > documentation. We now wish to apply this same license to the > > fedoraproject.org wiki. > > To be clear, and I'll wait for response before changing WikiLicenseTalk, > the FDP is accountable for all Fedora content. Does this not cover the > Wiki content already? > > Why the differentiation? > > 1. Work on the Wiki tools is obviously under a different license, so we > need to be clear we mean Wiki content. > > 2. The OPL is a policy we need to set for all content that is copyright > of the Foundation. The same content can be dual-licensed (or triple- > licensed), it's just that the Foundation wants to use the OPL. > > This matters because of how we interact with other knowledge > repositories. This weekend the Fedora Unity project is voting on using > the OPL for their websites, and I'm going to be at that meeting to > encourage that they do for interoperability. > > We have to consider this when approving additional Fedora websites as > formal. The owners of that content are welcome to whatever license they > prefer, but if they don't also put it under the OPL, we cannot > intermingle with it. Shame for modularity and reduction of efforts. > > > This will require some dramatic actions and changes, > > and will have a huge impact on contributions to the wiki. The single biggest > > change would be the requirement of the CLA for EditGroup privileges. > > While I'm in favor [below for reason], I note that this is a sea change. > > Adding someone to the Wiki has gone from: > > 1. Add them to EditGroup > 2. ??? > 3. Profit > > to: > > 1. Get them started on admin.fedora. > 2. Teach them about GPG. > 3. Wait and watch 50% of them disappear. > 4. ... > > We have benefited from very low barriers when it comes to the Wiki. The > question is, is the barrier too low? > > Greg had suggested that we just put out on the sign-up page, this is > OPL, like this has: > > http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/ContentLicense > > AIUI, that page is lawyer-dude approved. > > Without the CLA, the Foundation doesn't have any copyright on the > materials, but if we create a mechanism that is a click-through > agreement to use the OPL, aren't we covered for the future of that > content? If they put it on the Wiki, it is OPL, so we can use it, and > who cares about the copyright? Well, only if we want to relicense > *again* someday, and, Lords and Ladies, I hope I am not around if that > happens. > From the OPL's Requirements on Modified Works: * The person making the modifications must be identified and the modifications dated. * Acknowledgement of the original author and publisher if applicable must be retained according to normal academic citation practices. * The location of the original unmodified document must be identified. Won't these requirements cause problems if the copyright isn't assigned to one entity? (The Fedora Foundation? The Fedora Docs Project?) Either different sections/pages of the wiki have different original authors/copyright holders and thus the attributions to the original will be convoluted or the various contributors who modify a section of the wiki will need to be noted (equally convoluted). I don't see this as a problem within the wiki (I think the wiki's internal tracking may be sufficient in this regard) but what happens when a page from the wiki is reprinted in "Fedora Linux in a Nutshell" or similar. Doesn't this lead to tracking of multiple people's claims on the content and printing all of their names in the book? If copyright is assigned, then the attribution is simple: This section is reprinted from www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ (C) The Fedora Project. -Toshio > [reason] > Why am I in favor of the CLA for all contributors (code and content)? > Because then we _never_have_to_do_this_again_. > > We are looking at having to pull out content from the Wiki from anyone > who doesn't agree to the OPL. Just think about that. > > For the XML in CVS, which you have to have a CLA to get into, if someone > doesn't agree, that's OK, Fedora can fork and relicense as a copyright > holder. Right? > > Our job is to convince every single content contributor that this > license changes is a Good Thing. And it really is. But you know how > people are ... > > So: > > * We risk losing active contributors who don't like our tactics, no > matter what they are. > * We risk future contributors who don't want to get over the barrier. > > A question is: > > * What is fedoraproject.org? > 1. End-user created documentation? > 2. Project-member created documentation? > > If it is 2, then it has to have the same protections and guarantees as > the rest of the code. Without the CLA in place, we cannot guarantee > that the content we are providing is going to remain forever > free/libre. > > > Rather > > than make a closed and unilateral decision, this is now briefly open for > > discussion. The currently-proposed plan is now on the wiki[2], and this wiki > > page is the place to add your comments. You may subscribe to the page if you > > wish to keep track of things. > > > > If the decision is made to go through with this plan (and, no, it isn't a > > vote), > > To be clear, the OPL change to the Wiki is not what is up to vote. > > How we implement that change is up to discussion. Please help us make > the right decision. > > - Karsten > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 15 21:17:57 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:17:57 -0800 Subject: Wiki Licensing In-Reply-To: <1140020003.3798.14.camel@localhost> References: <200602142052.21336.nman64@n-man.com> <1140015449.18050.79.camel@erato.phig.org> <1140020003.3798.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1140038277.18050.175.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 08:13 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Without the CLA, the Foundation doesn't have any copyright on the > > materials, but if we create a mechanism that is a click-through > > agreement to use the OPL, aren't we covered for the future of that > > content? If they put it on the Wiki, it is OPL, so we can use it, and > > who cares about the copyright? Well, only if we want to relicense > > *again* someday, and, Lords and Ladies, I hope I am not around if that > > happens. Here is a link to the CLA, for discussion: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA?highlight=%28copyright%29 > From the OPL's Requirements on Modified Works: > * The person making the modifications must be identified and the > modifications dated. Wiki and CVS can provide this. Maybe we can make up a customizable query? > * Acknowledgement of the original author and publisher if applicable > must be retained according to normal academic citation practices. > > * The location of the original unmodified document must be > identified. Another CVS pointer? However, let's continue ... > Won't these requirements cause problems if the copyright isn't assigned > to one entity? (The Fedora Foundation? The Fedora Docs Project?) > Either different sections/pages of the wiki have different original > authors/copyright holders and thus the attributions to the original will > be convoluted or the various contributors who modify a section of the > wiki will need to be noted (equally convoluted). The question therefore is: Does the CLA assign copyright to the Fedora Project? I think that's the purpose, to provide a dual-copyright so that the Project doesn't have to chase down N contributors should a licensing issue arise. Or other proceeding that required representation from a copyright holder, who may no longer be working with the project, etc. Let's see if we can get this affirmed from the Board and their legal counsel, as that informs our decision to require the CLA Or, Greg, _is_ the CLA required and I'm playing Devil's advocate to a mirror? > I don't see this as a problem within the wiki (I think the wiki's > internal tracking may be sufficient in this regard) but what happens > when a page from the wiki is reprinted in "Fedora Linux in a Nutshell" > or similar. Doesn't this lead to tracking of multiple people's claims > on the content and printing all of their names in the book? > > If copyright is assigned, then the attribution is simple: This section > is reprinted from www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ (C) The Fedora Project. Good point. If this is the case, that the Project gains copyright, thereby allowing it to use a copyleft license, with the signing of the CLA, than I think we _have_ to accept the downsides. Mainly, that Wiki contribution is based on the difficulty to gain edit rights. Maybe that's OK, the CLA is a very short barrier, IMNSHO. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Jack Aboutboul Subject: FUDCon Boston 2006 Call for Papers Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:28:26 -0500 Size: 2231 URL: From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Thu Feb 16 19:39:38 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:39:38 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative Message-ID: Dear Friends, I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? Thanks for you reply. Best Regards Fred From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 16 19:41:23 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602161141y655ff87au3565aad4878edad0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. > > However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? > Thanks for you reply. > > Best Regards > Fred > Fedora :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 16 19:41:23 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602161141y655ff87au3565aad4878edad0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. > > However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? > Thanks for you reply. > > Best Regards > Fred > Fedora :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Thu Feb 16 19:43:54 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:43:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative Message-ID: Chitlesh, I would like it but are you sure of that ? BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:41 PM To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Cc: Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. > > However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? > Thanks for you reply. > > Best Regards > Fred > Fedora :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 16 19:49:43 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:49:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602161149g7e315787w37c5ca60866c90f4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Chitlesh, > > I would like it but are you sure of that ? > > BR > Fred dated 02/02/2006 http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,39020463,39250162,00.htm QUOTING: Red Hat is now working to develop an OS ? probably a version of Fedora ? to work with the stripped-down laptop that is charged up by way of a wind-up handle. Could you tell us more about the operating system you are developing for this project? Our software team is driving the operating system efforts but other open source educational applications are also being developed to ship with the laptop. We are still determining what systems to use, but the Fedora technologies will play a big part of it. So it will be a scaled down version of Fedora or something akin to that? Possibly. We are still working that out. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 19:56:59 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:56:59 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270602161156s588c3c02l768ad9678a86a2f2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,108217,00.html On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Chitlesh, > > I would like it but are you sure of that ? > > BR > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh > GOORAH > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:41 PM > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > Cc: Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) > initiative > > > On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. > > > > However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? > > Thanks for you reply. > > > > Best Regards > > Fred > > > > Fedora :) > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Thu Feb 16 20:12:33 2006 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:12:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Hornain Frederic wrote: > Chitlesh, > > I would like it but are you sure of that ? Also check this: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/?p=176 Chris Blizzard writes: "It?s been well known that Red Hat has been involved in the One Laptop Per Child project. I?ve recently been asked to head up a bunch of the integration and community work for Red Hat for the OLPC project. It?s a great opportunity and I?m looking forward to it." behdad > BR > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh > GOORAH > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:41 PM > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > Cc: Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) > initiative > > > On 2/16/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > I have red on the Red Hat site that the company will be a part of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative project. Thats is clever. > > > > However, I wondering if this 100$ PC will run RH or Fedora ? > > Thanks for you reply. > > > > Best Regards > > Fred > > > > Fedora :) > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 16 22:47:04 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:47:04 -0800 Subject: CLA for Wiki contributions Message-ID: <1140130024.18050.350.camel@erato.phig.org> Further research and discussion with the Foundation counsel brings a simple resolution to this. We need a single CLA signed for code, documentation, Wiki pages, etc. Let's do it. Of the 345 folks in EditGroup, a subset have not signed the CLA, and of that, a subset have actually contributed to the Wiki. Those people we need to identify and explain the situation. AP Websites team -- we need: * A one-stop page for the CLA-to-be to work from - can someone with a few minute throw up a straw man plan? * If feasible, divide the group of CLA-needy amongst Docs and Websites volunteers to provide personal assistance, explanations, hand-holding, etc. * ??? AP Patrick -- let's pull the ripcord on this. How should we announce? We need to hit fedora-devel-list, since I reckon a small group is there. What else? Just create a mass Bcc: list from the account records? Should filter out the have-CLA-already first. Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Feb 17 00:00:40 2006 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:00:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: CLA for Wiki contributions In-Reply-To: <1140130024.18050.350.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1140130024.18050.350.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: If there's a way to do some hacking around in the wiki, we may be able to make it so that the 'EditGroup' page is automatically generated from the Fedora Account System. I think the main missing piece is a way to translate between usernames/e-mails and WikiNames. Any ideas on that? Best, -- Elliot On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Karsten Wade wrote: > Of the 345 folks in EditGroup, a subset have not signed the CLA, and of > that, a subset have actually contributed to the Wiki. Those people we > need to identify and explain the situation. From nman64 at n-man.com Fri Feb 17 00:57:23 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:57:23 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] One Laptop per Child (OLPC) initiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200602161857.28910.nman64@n-man.com> As most of you know, RHEL is based upon Fedora. In much the same way, Red Hat's OLPC production will be based upon Fedora. It will be heavily stripped down and modified, so in reality the final result won't have much more in common with Fedora Core than it will with RHEL. It will truly be unique from either. 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[1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AccountSystemHowTo Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 19 12:05:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:35:06 +0530 Subject: My introduction & request for approval as an ambassador In-Reply-To: <200602190425.51540.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200602190425.51540.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F85EF2.3080709@fedoraproject.org> Kushal Das wrote: >Hi, >I am Kushal Das, from Bangalore, India. >I am the chief coordinator of Linux User Group of Durgapur (http://dgplug.org) >and also member of Ankur Bangla team(http://bengalinux.org). > > Welcome to the Fedora Ambassadors project. >I want to become an ambassador. >Please approve me. > You just have to follow the guidelines at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors. It looks like you are already approved in the Fedora Accounts system. Once you are in the ambassadors list introduce yourself there and we will take it up further. --- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 20 19:27:31 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:27:31 +0100 Subject: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602201127u5dc8e425l8d43eae0c7dca1e6@mail.gmail.com> Ok, here I am again with FedoraLibraries http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraLibraries I have updated it some days ago. Following a discussion on #fedora-mktg, mether, cds, puneet_batura and I, Im starting the discussion again. Product: Fedora Core 5 Target: Libraires My wish, for the moment, is that we need to establish a procedure to state what needs to be done by any ambassador to be able to launch this project in his/her local librairies. Ex: contact the director of the library schedule a meeting give the ambassador appropriate tools for the meeting (what to say) Get an ISSN number. have a generic DVD case template build/apprend a wiki page to list the name of the libraries which supporting our project etc. do add more If we have this done, any ambassador or newcomer will have this material at his disposal for marketing. FedoraLibrairies is also another way to support Thomas Chung's project "Free Media" since anyone will have the ability to copy the dvd. At my university, I myself am providing LiveCD for my mates. I just started a wikipage about his in French to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/FedoraLiveCDs. (Most of the French dont like to read any article if its not in French) ThomasCarnnot, you are welcome to improve it :) If we got enought material, Ill write something in FedoraNews (which Im saying to ThomasChung since 2 weeks) to get it more support, even from Fedora Users. pop your suggestions :) Chitlesh GOORAH On 1/13/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello everyone, > I think im going to write a lot lol. > Ok an Ubuntu marketing agent told me about their idea of having Ubuntu > in Libraries. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInLibraries > No, its not about installing Ubuntu in the computers but to lend Open > source cds to their subscribed users. Actually they copied it from > Openoffice. > http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/11838/Open%20Source%20CD%20in%20libraries%20Howto.pdf > > Personally its a wonderful idea because having CDS in libraries will > affect the complete newbies mind set of fear towards linux. > Considering the fact that librairies is a body of trust. > > This is mostly an activity done by the lug. Of course if we > ambassadors provide enough materials/translation to. > > Im eager to do it right away in Strasbourg. But comparing to another > distros like ubuntu,suse,etc they already have enough materials in > their pocket. Example, live cds. I prefer to wait for Fedora to catch > up with materials. > > Let's take for example, Fedora. If a lug happens to realise this > project. Among other distros we will only have handouts and Fedora > DVDs. Meanwhile students or anyone will prefer to give a try to live > cds, leaving Fedora behind. Saying that this particular live distro is > based on Fedora isn't enough for the complete newbies. It would rather > be useless. If someone tried the "official" fedora LIVE cd if he/she > likes it he/she can easily get the install DVD for free for their > local lug or lug ambassador or from the library directly. > > Some testimonials: > http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/04/16/1923248.shtml?tid=137&tid=185&tid=215 > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/15/193231.shtml?tid=146&tid=149&tid=99 > > Since in the last 3 meetings (see > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule ) we didn't really > progress in Emails, funds, Schwag because we are waiting for > additional info. I suggest we talk and plan about this idea. I know > ambassadors from India or Brazil will have alot to say :)) > > I know we (majority)ambassadors we only popped in during meetings > hours, talk and talk. This sounds like acting. Its time to move A55 :) > for REAL action. > > Chitlesh GOORAH > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From barzilay at redhat.com Tue Feb 21 01:01:25 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:01:25 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602201127u5dc8e425l8d43eae0c7dca1e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0602201127u5dc8e425l8d43eae0c7dca1e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140483685.4147.18.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi Chitlesh, Interesting approach and great initiative! That's exactly what we gotta do: offer the appropriate materials and infrastructure for Ambassadors perform their "spread-the-word" activities worldwide. A couple of comments inline... Em Seg, 2006-02-20 ?s 20:27 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: > Ok, here I am again with FedoraLibraries > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraLibraries I have updated > it some days ago. > > Following a discussion on #fedora-mktg, mether, cds, puneet_batura and > I, Im starting the discussion again. > > Product: Fedora Core 5 > Target: Libraires > > My wish, for the moment, is that we need to establish a procedure to > state what needs to be done by any ambassador to be able to launch > this project in his/her local librairies. more than a procedure, i'd call it a project... > Ex: > contact the director of the library i'd include preparing a proposal here - outlining the scope, goals, operation, resources, benefits and maybe a rough timeline of the project pls contact me offline if you need a hand to create some sort of template > schedule a meeting > give the ambassador appropriate tools for the meeting (what to say) > Get an ISSN number. > have a generic DVD case template > build/apprend a wiki page to list the name of the libraries which > supporting our project > etc. > do add more > > If we have this done, any ambassador or newcomer will have this > material at his disposal for marketing. true! the referred template can be "localized" into different markets > FedoraLibrairies is also another way to support Thomas Chung's project > "Free Media" since anyone will have the ability to copy the dvd. > > At my university, I myself am providing LiveCD for my mates. I just > started a wikipage about his in French to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/FedoraLiveCDs. (Most of > the French dont like to read any article if its not in French) > ThomasCarnnot, you are welcome to improve it :) > > If we got enought material, Ill write something in FedoraNews (which > Im saying to ThomasChung since 2 weeks) to get it more support, even > from Fedora Users. > > pop your suggestions :) > > Chitlesh GOORAH > > On 1/13/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I think im going to write a lot lol. > > Ok an Ubuntu marketing agent told me about their idea of having Ubuntu > > in Libraries. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInLibraries > > No, its not about installing Ubuntu in the computers but to lend Open > > source cds to their subscribed users. Actually they copied it from > > Openoffice. > > http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/11838/Open%20Source%20CD%20in%20libraries%20Howto.pdf > > > > Personally its a wonderful idea because having CDS in libraries will > > affect the complete newbies mind set of fear towards linux. > > Considering the fact that librairies is a body of trust. > > > > This is mostly an activity done by the lug. Of course if we > > ambassadors provide enough materials/translation to. > > > > Im eager to do it right away in Strasbourg. But comparing to another > > distros like ubuntu,suse,etc they already have enough materials in > > their pocket. Example, live cds. I prefer to wait for Fedora to catch > > up with materials. > > > > Let's take for example, Fedora. If a lug happens to realise this > > project. Among other distros we will only have handouts and Fedora > > DVDs. Meanwhile students or anyone will prefer to give a try to live > > cds, leaving Fedora behind. Saying that this particular live distro is > > based on Fedora isn't enough for the complete newbies. It would rather > > be useless. If someone tried the "official" fedora LIVE cd if he/she > > likes it he/she can easily get the install DVD for free for their > > local lug or lug ambassador or from the library directly. > > > > Some testimonials: > > http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/04/16/1923248.shtml?tid=137&tid=185&tid=215 > > http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/15/193231.shtml?tid=146&tid=149&tid=99 > > > > Since in the last 3 meetings (see > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule ) we didn't really > > progress in Emails, funds, Schwag because we are waiting for > > additional info. I suggest we talk and plan about this idea. I know > > ambassadors from India or Brazil will have alot to say :)) > > > > I know we (majority)ambassadors we only popped in during meetings > > hours, talk and talk. This sounds like acting. Its time to move A55 :) > > for REAL action. > > > > Chitlesh GOORAH > > > > > > -- > > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 21 11:29:56 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:29:56 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <1140483685.4147.18.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0602201127u5dc8e425l8d43eae0c7dca1e6@mail.gmail.com> <1140483685.4147.18.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602210329q63abd954o8c50e995e24e5b1b@mail.gmail.com> > pls contact me offline if you need a hand to create some sort of > template I prefer that every discussion should be centralized to the list and to the related wiki page. :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Feb 22 07:13:22 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:13:22 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602210329q63abd954o8c50e995e24e5b1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0602201127u5dc8e425l8d43eae0c7dca1e6@mail.gmail.com> <1140483685.4147.18.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0602210329q63abd954o8c50e995e24e5b1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140592402.5923.50.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Em Ter, 2006-02-21 ?s 12:29 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: > > pls contact me offline if you need a hand to create some sort of > > template > > I prefer that every discussion should be centralized to the list and > to the related wiki page. :) No probs. My input is already in the list archives. Feel free to flame it... > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 22 23:09:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:39:05 +0530 Subject: Fedora's OpenGL Composite Desktop Message-ID: <43FCEF11.3050307@fedoraproject.org> Hi Fedora Rendering Project (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject) hit slashdot today and osnews before that. http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/02/22/1638228.shtml http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13734 -- Rahul From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Feb 23 00:04:54 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:04:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fedora's OpenGL Composite Desktop -- nVidia's whitepaper is enlightening In-Reply-To: <43FCEF11.3050307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060223000454.47062.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > Fedora Rendering Project > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject) hit slashdot today > and osnews before that. > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/02/22/1638228.shtml > http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13734 nVidia's Whitepaper arguing for Render/Composite atop of DDX instead of the Xgl server was enlightening. I always (and incorrectly) assumed nVidia would be for the latter. But then I quickly realized why that while they did give kudos to Xgl, they clearly prefer the former -- for a variety of reasons, and not just selfish ones either. Some are very sound, technically. First there is the difficulty of Xgl not address hardware-specific details like multi-card/multi-display with the same driver/buffer. An entire new set of APIs would need to address that, which have not, and sometimes that's just not feasible with various hardware out there. Especially when new support is needed that was not previously thought of. In other words, the Xgl is "too generic" of a server between the hardware and the end-user, where the end-user knows what monitors and (possibly) cards are in use, but Xgl doesn't (at least not directly). I never, ever thought of that before, but now I totally understand why it's a major issue. It makes far more sense for X and server driver to be integrated whereas Xgl makes too much far too arbitrary. Secondly, it does force OpenGL on everyone. Not only does not everyone have a capable accelerated OpenGL driver for X, but not all OpenGL is created equal (especially chipset-integrated) for that matter. I personally like their comment -- Xgl essentially makes the desktop the "lowest common denominator," and that's pretty low in the case of many vendors who are well behind even OpenGL 1.3 (let alone 2.0). Lastly, and most interestingly coming from nVidia, sometimes you just don't want to use OpenGL at all. Most people forget that nVidia does provide a good amount of work into the MIT licensed 2D drivers that come with XF86/Xorg, and the new Xorg X11R7+ model will make updates much easier. nVidia is _not_ just thinking about their proprietary drivers here. They are considering that Render/Composite doesn't have to be OpenGL, and there might be many cases when you don't want it. Given what was said in the whitepaper, I'm looking forward to both MIT licensed "nv" driver developments in Xorg X11R7+ was well as nVidia "nvidia" driver developments in ForceWare 85. The cool thing is that in _any_case_, nVidia is supporting _all_ developments -- AIGLX, Xgl, Looking Glass, etc... But it's clear that not only their preference is on the Render/Composite approach and working with AIGLX from their perspective, but that its more beneficial for even other drivers, including 2D-only hardware support. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------- *** Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does *** From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Sat Feb 25 03:33:09 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:33:09 -0800 Subject: Red Hat offers Linux eye candy alternative In-Reply-To: <1140794099.3518.2.camel@Khufu.local> References: <1140794099.3518.2.camel@Khufu.local> Message-ID: <1140838390.3308.12.camel@tuxhugger> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 10:14 -0500, taharka wrote: > Red Hat offers Linux eye candy alternative > February 23, 2006 1:32 PM PST > > The next version of Red Hat's Fedora Linux will include software to give > the operating system some of the eye candy of a rival Novell > project--but it will use a less intrusive mechanism, advocates say > > Full story at; http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-6042651.html > > taharka > > Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. That's awesome. :D CC-ing to the Marketing List... -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xDA3634D7 Fingerprint: 0629 F604 3C14 937E F088 E5E9 B3CB 48EC DA36 34D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 14:50:55 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:50:55 -0500 Subject: Red Hat offers Linux eye candy alternative In-Reply-To: <1140838390.3308.12.camel@tuxhugger> References: <1140794099.3518.2.camel@Khufu.local> <1140838390.3308.12.camel@tuxhugger> Message-ID: <7f617d270602250650m17f56465k37440091fbe3941a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for cross-posting guys :) Thank you for forwarding the article Peter. However, the author got at least the names of the project and the distro all wrong--which indicates that he has no clear picture of the relationship between Fedora and Red Hat. Will someone from the Ambassadors maybe contact the author and correct him? a On 2/24/06, Peter Gordon wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 10:14 -0500, taharka wrote: > > Red Hat offers Linux eye candy alternative > > February 23, 2006 1:32 PM PST > > > > The next version of Red Hat's Fedora Linux will include software to give > > the operating system some of the eye candy of a rival Novell > > project--but it will use a less intrusive mechanism, advocates say > > > > Full story at; http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-6042651.html > > > > taharka > > > > Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. > > That's awesome. :D > > CC-ing to the Marketing List... > -- > Peter Gordon (codergeek42) > GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xDA3634D7 > Fingerprint: 0629 F604 3C14 937E F088 E5E9 B3CB 48EC DA36 34D7 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBD/8/1s8tI7No2NNcRApdHAJ0fRCebl8EtsEzIe4IdjCEFXetCXQCgkk2c > lrXe77D/s+YypTwT88fmSj0= > =NLEo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 27 12:18:18 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:18:18 +0100 Subject: yet another way to market linux Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, Ive just come across: http://www.manucornet.net/pcjacking/index.php sounds another idea to market linux :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 27 17:56:26 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:56:26 -0800 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:18:18 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > Hai there, > Ive just come across: > http://www.manucornet.net/pcjacking/index.php > > sounds another idea to market linux :) > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Sorry Chitlesh but it could bring a legal trouble by the Department Store or Local Law Enforcement. Please bear in mind we should promote Fedora Project while we complying local law and anything else could backfire to our image for the project. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 27 18:05:35 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:05:35 +0100 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> > Sorry Chitlesh but it could bring a legal trouble by the Department Store or Local Law > Enforcement. > > Please bear in mind we should promote Fedora Project while we complying local law and > anything else could backfire to our image for the project. > > Regards, I was just sharing this little joke :) smile :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 27 18:10:10 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:10:10 -0800 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060227180937.M1644@fedoraproject.org> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:05:35 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > > Sorry Chitlesh but it could bring a legal trouble by the Department Store or Local Law > > Enforcement. > > > > Please bear in mind we should promote Fedora Project while we complying local law and > > anything else could backfire to our image for the project. > > > > Regards, > > I was just sharing this little joke :) > smile :) > Nice try though. :) Cheers! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 18:14:51 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:14:51 -0500 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270602271014p2c2f476j487213df8230d995@mail.gmail.com> However, if the Ambassadors feel so inclined, I guess they could talk to local stores about demoing Fedora--or maybe even distributing it. I do not think large department stores would be interested, but no harm can come from supplying local PC-refurbishers with enough Fedora installation media AND some live CDs. Especially in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Brazil, India, and other countries in which the majority of the population cannot afford a legal Windows license... Think about it! a On 2/27/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Sorry Chitlesh but it could bring a legal trouble by the Department Store or Local Law > > Enforcement. > > > > Please bear in mind we should promote Fedora Project while we complying local law and > > anything else could backfire to our image for the project. > > > > Regards, > > I was just sharing this little joke :) > smile :) > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 27 19:08:06 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:08:06 +0100 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <7f617d270602271014p2c2f476j487213df8230d995@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270602271014p2c2f476j487213df8230d995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0602271108g72802496l49508adaf158dbe9@mail.gmail.com> > installation media AND some live CDs. Live CDs? is there an official LiveCD at work that I don't know of? by the way, as gregdek advised me, Ive requested (to Sopwith) for a ftp server where I could upload a test version of a livecd. Still no answer or relevent information. Im waiting for a reply from dfong whether she/her artwork department can create a Fedora splash.lss for me, so that It would sound official enough. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 19:42:58 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:42:58 -0500 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602271108g72802496l49508adaf158dbe9@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270602271014p2c2f476j487213df8230d995@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0602271108g72802496l49508adaf158dbe9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270602271142y72dbe1e7w39b131c3d045e5c8@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > installation media AND some live CDs. > > Live CDs? is there an official LiveCD at work that I don't know of? I meant self-made with help of Kadischi. From jfautley at redhat.com Tue Feb 28 09:24:17 2006 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:24:17 +0000 Subject: yet another way to market linux In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0602271108g72802496l49508adaf158dbe9@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0602270418n192a6cb7n6e0434cff137fb4c@mail.gmail.com> <20060227175137.M64466@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0602271005t74476bdbv489512f9a56c8f84@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270602271014p2c2f476j487213df8230d995@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0602271108g72802496l49508adaf158dbe9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440416C1.6060805@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>installation media AND some live CDs. > > > Live CDs? is there an official LiveCD at work that I don't know of? > > by the way, as gregdek advised me, Ive requested (to Sopwith) for a > ftp server where I could upload a test version of a livecd. Still no > answer or relevent information. If it's for *testing* only (i.e. not a permanant distribution site) ping me offlist and I can give you access to one. Cheers, Jon -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 28 20:29:49 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:29:49 -0800 Subject: informal relationships map Message-ID: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> Article about mapping informal relationships in an organization: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_09/b3973083.htm I think it would help us _a_lot_ if we had some mapping of how stuff gets done in Fedora. This is from a survey, where you ask people who they go to for information, who comes to them, and what kind of information they share. Some social risks are involved, but it's worth a look. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 21:20:35 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:20:35 -0500 Subject: informal relationships map In-Reply-To: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> Actually, if we define Fedora as a true meritocracy, we will be able to establish the leaders of the project this way. a On 2/28/06, Karsten Wade wrote: > Article about mapping informal relationships in an organization: > > http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_09/b3973083.htm > > I think it would help us _a_lot_ if we had some mapping of how stuff > gets done in Fedora. This is from a survey, where you ask people who > they go to for information, who comes to them, and what kind of > information they share. > > Some social risks are involved, but it's worth a look. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > Content Services Fedora Documentation Project > http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEBLK92ZIOBq0ODEERAudnAKCXwFQqI7abLW4ooKMr3YD4hFlcYgCfc3fX > 2KN4WKpGYI24mHFL9uWg5Ig= > =8uVP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From gdk at redhat.com Tue Feb 28 21:27:49 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:27:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: informal relationships map In-Reply-To: <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Alex Maier wrote: > Actually, if we define Fedora as a true meritocracy, we will be able > to establish the leaders of the project this way. > a Brilliant. A big, sparkling +1. > On 2/28/06, Karsten Wade wrote: > > Article about mapping informal relationships in an organization: > > > > http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_09/b3973083.htm > > > > I think it would help us _a_lot_ if we had some mapping of how stuff > > gets done in Fedora. This is from a survey, where you ask people who > > they go to for information, who comes to them, and what kind of > > information they share. > > > > Some social risks are involved, but it's worth a look. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 28 21:35:03 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:35:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: informal relationships map In-Reply-To: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Karsten Wade wrote: > Article about mapping informal relationships in an organization: > > http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_09/b3973083.htm > > I think it would help us _a_lot_ if we had some mapping of how stuff > gets done in Fedora. One of the many things I'm working on right now. :-) --Max -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21