From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 05:27:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:57:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors Message-ID: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> Hi This thread (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=562114#post562114) brings in the point that we dont have a list of contributors easily accessible. Any ideas on how to tackle this? Rahul From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 06:06:51 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:36:51 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1151820411.5634.2.camel@dragon.gja.in> On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 10:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > This thread > (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=562114#post562114) > brings in the point that we dont have a list of contributors easily > accessible. Any ideas on how to tackle this? A list shouldn't be too hard. It should just be a subset of the Edit Group, and The group that signed the CLA. Gja From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 08:22:02 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:22:02 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> On 7/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > This thread > (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=562114#post562114) > brings in the point that we dont have a list of contributors easily > accessible. Any ideas on how to tackle this? > > Rahul In the thread, he's referring to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-core.html We have our own members of The Board listed at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From splinux at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 11:18:08 2006 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:18:08 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think of making a similar thing, I'll create the wiki pages about this. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contributors 2006/7/2, Thomas Chung : > > On 7/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > This thread > > (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=562114#post562114) > > brings in the point that we dont have a list of contributors easily > > accessible. Any ideas on how to tackle this? > > > > Rahul > > In the thread, he's referring to > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-core.html > > We have our own members of The Board listed at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 11:24:40 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:54:40 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A7ACF8.7020400@fedoraproject.org> Damien Durand wrote: > I think of making a similar thing, I'll create the wiki pages about this. > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contributors I think we should derive this list automatically from the account system rather than try and maintain it manually in the wiki. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 17:53:30 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:53:30 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0606220135i4e829349v99a0c39b0645a48@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0606220135i4e829349v99a0c39b0645a48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0607021053q238c8agb7985de6b6ca5545@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I have been asked by the Mauritian LUG members whether they can redistribute Fedora DVDs (unmodified) but with a sticker "This disc being brought to you by the Linux User Group of Mauritius http://www.linux.mu". http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/MLUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=sticker.png Can we accept this ? My opinion: This is a direct publicity of the LUG from the Fedora DVDs and should be asked to at least contribute for some time to the Fedora Project. They have a Library of several distros which they distribute copies to everyone. Maybe they can join FedoraLibraries to push things forward since that FedoraLibraries is not so active. What do you think and propose ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 17:56:59 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <44A7ACF8.7020400@fedoraproject.org> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> <44A7ACF8.7020400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0607021056p3ac424f3pf97d2088e80801ad@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I think we should derive this list automatically from the account system > rather than try and maintain it manually in the wiki. > > Rahul Yes, we should use Fedora Account System. I'm already in the process of doing so for Fedora Ambassadors. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From splinux at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 18:11:45 2006 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:11:45 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0607021056p3ac424f3pf97d2088e80801ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> <44A7ACF8.7020400@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607021056p3ac424f3pf97d2088e80801ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thomas, if you have the time, could explain to me the process for generate a list with the fedora account system? I would like apply this for all Fedora Project, without ambassador. 2006/7/2, Thomas Chung : > > On 7/2/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I think we should derive this list automatically from the account system > > rather than try and maintain it manually in the wiki. > > > > Rahul > > Yes, we should use Fedora Account System. > I'm already in the process of doing so for Fedora Ambassadors. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 2 18:15:18 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:15:18 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607020122t7f00c7ebn9c2ff669ef66a4c6@mail.gmail.com> <44A7ACF8.7020400@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607021056p3ac424f3pf97d2088e80801ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0607021115l7db8a141n8b1e1ad7347d162b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/06, Damien Durand wrote: > Thomas, if you have the time, could explain to me the process for generate a > list with the fedora account system? I would like apply this for all Fedora > Project, without ambassador. Personally, I feel the list should be maintained by each project Administrators not by one single person. Anyway, contact me by a private email to discuss in detail. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 3 00:47:24 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0607021053q238c8agb7985de6b6ca5545@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0606220135i4e829349v99a0c39b0645a48@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0607021053q238c8agb7985de6b6ca5545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0607021747j79b46c37jb1e49866bade23d3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > I have been asked by the Mauritian LUG members whether they can > redistribute Fedora DVDs (unmodified) but with a sticker "This disc > being brought to you by the Linux User Group of Mauritius > http://www.linux.mu". > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/MLUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=sticker.png > > Can we accept this ? As a Distribution and Vendors Program Lead in Distribution Project[1], I would says this is acceptable. You should also consider using existing art work.[2] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Project [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jul 3 02:52:35 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0607021053q238c8agb7985de6b6ca5545@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0606220135i4e829349v99a0c39b0645a48@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0607021053q238c8agb7985de6b6ca5545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > I have been asked by the Mauritian LUG members whether they can > redistribute Fedora DVDs (unmodified) but with a sticker "This disc > being brought to you by the Linux User Group of Mauritius > http://www.linux.mu". > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/MLUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=sticker.png > > Can we accept this ? They have every right to do this, since they are providing Fedora unmodified. We can certainly ask them to contribute in whatever way we see fit, but regardless -- they don't need our permission in this case. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Jul 3 04:02:03 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] List of Fedora contributors In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0607021115l7db8a141n8b1e1ad7347d162b@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A7594E.7080309@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0607021115l7db8a141n8b1e1ad7347d162b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607022302.08881.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 02 July 2006 13:15, "Thomas Chung" wrote: > On 7/2/06, Damien Durand wrote: > > Thomas, if you have the time, could explain to me the process for > > generate a list with the fedora account system? I would like apply this > > for all Fedora Project, without ambassador. > > Personally, I feel the list should be maintained by each project > Administrators not by one single person. Anyway, contact me by a > private email to discuss in detail. The ideal approach would be to exclude the wiki completely. The Account System is already able to generate lists of contributors in a particular group, but those lists currently yield too much information to publish openly and are rendered without any style. We're making progress towards an Account System rewrite, and this is certainly a feature we can look at providing. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the info, Ive even provided them with some links for technical support since its a small lug. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 4 10:50:16 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:20:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6, Test 1 Review Message-ID: <44AA47E8.5050306@fedoraproject.org> Hi More of a short look rather than a comprehensive review. I am inclined to believe than Fedora Core 6 is bound to be a release that is less focused on feature changes. More on that later. http://www.manix-place.co.uk/article-fc6review.html Rahul From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 06:05:20 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:35:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers Message-ID: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> Hey, I was reading dfong's blog, and I found she has made a huge collection of brilliant Fedora Wallpapers, that are liscenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License Pics Here: http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=19 http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=24 http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=25 etc, etc... till http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=34 and at http://www.isity.net/blog/ in general. My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff like this? Perhaps keep a thumbnail and link back to dfong's blog on the Fedora wiki. Gja From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Jul 9 07:16:47 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> Message-ID: <200607090216.50703.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 09 July 2006 01:05, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > Perhaps keep a thumbnail and link back to dfong's blog on the Fedora > wiki. > At present, there are some limited pages under the Artwork section, but the wiki isn't particularly suited for this sort of thing. There has been talk about, and even a little work on, a gallery solution that would hold all sorts of artwork for Fedora. If you're really curious, you can talk on the fedora-art-list or fedora-websites-list mailing lists. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 9 08:10:33 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:10:33 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> Message-ID: <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > Hey, I was reading dfong's blog, and I found she has made a huge > collection of brilliant Fedora Wallpapers, that are liscenced under the > Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License ... > My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff > like this? 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I do think that they should be put into extras, I find the wallpapers are lacking (especially for multi-monitor), and what she has done is simply beautiful. Hopefully we can get a nice collection put up somewhere (even someones homepage for now, I'm willing to host them in the interim). As a side note, I just want to apologize for not being around much the past few weeks, the work leading up to, and after CarolinaCon have been quite hectic for me, and I've been plagued with family issues. I will be around a lot more now, doing as much as I can. -- Surreptitiously Yours, CyberSpy www.cyberspy.ws -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Jul 9 11:24:29 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44B0E76D.1090405@glezos.com> O/H Nicolas Mailhot ??????: > Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : >> Hey, I was reading dfong's blog, and I found she has made a huge >> collection of brilliant Fedora Wallpapers, that are liscenced under the >> Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License > > ... > >> My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff >> like this? > > IMHO as long as the licensing is compatible, it should all end in a > fedora-extras package I believe that the CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License of Diana's work is not compatible because of the Non commercial and No derivatives clauses. We could ask her to consider dual-licencing the wallpapers under the FDL or something compatible. -Dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 9 11:20:59 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:20:59 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <44B0E76D.1090405@glezos.com> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B0E76D.1090405@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1152444061.8685.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 12:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos a ?crit : > O/H Nicolas Mailhot ??????: > > Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > >> Hey, I was reading dfong's blog, and I found she has made a huge > >> collection of brilliant Fedora Wallpapers, that are liscenced under the > >> Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License > > > > ... > > > >> My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff > >> like this? > > > > IMHO as long as the licensing is compatible, it should all end in a > > fedora-extras package > > I believe that the CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License of > Diana's work is not compatible because of the Non commercial and No > derivatives clauses. > > We could ask her to consider dual-licencing the wallpapers under the FDL > or something compatible. +1 better to concentrate on getting such stuff in extras than on wikis few people will read -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Heh. Licensing, content, and RPMs. A fascinating topic. :) We don't yet have a clear policy for licensing of artwork. The Fedora logo, for instance, *cannot* itself be licensed because it's a trademark that we want to protect. But what does that mean for projects that seek to reuse that artwork? Makes it very difficult. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 18:02:36 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:02:36 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column Message-ID: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> NOTE: Followup set to fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Fedora Weekly News, in association with the Fedora Documentation Project, is soon to start a new regular column devoted to giving answers to common user problems. The result would be similar to "Ask Shadowman" in Red Hat Magazine -- somewhat like a weekly FAQ, with the significant difference being that it's completely Fedora-centric, and we have the ability to be a bit more current through dipping into the input stream in real time. What do I mean by that last bit? Well, the questions are to be provided by the community, and answers provided by knowledgeable experts in the subject matter of each question. Questions could be submitted by users directly. That's not very different at all -- but here's the twist: Thomas Chung and I are hoping Ambassadors and other Marketing folks will cull them from topics coming up currently in the Fedora Forum and on IRC #fedora. You can then post new questions on the wiki in a queue page to be addressed in the next week's column: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WeeklyQuestions Answers would give step-by-step solutions when possible, with short explanations for new users. We will probably handle somewhere between three and five questions per issue, but if we find the queue is stacking or lacking, we will change those numbers as necessary. Why do this? Primarily to cut down on user frustration and FUD caused by wrong answers. When inexperienced users help other inexperienced users, they sometimes proffer solutions which are less than optimal. (The most common example that comes to mind is "disable SELinux," but there are many others.) While we all appreciate the helpful spirit of our community members, we also want to help everyone Do The Right Thing when possible, especially if it means better education and security. Many of the folks with the most knowledge don't spend a lot of time on IRC #fedora or the Fedora Forums, so this is a way the community can benefit from their expertise while requiring very little of their time. This initiative also gives the FDP a way of judging where more documentation is needed. We have few hands and many goals, but by leveraging the popularity of FWN we may get some clues where best to allocate those resources. We've got several Fedora luminaries lined up to contribute answers to the column, so we expect this will be a great new way to provide some community outreach. Thomas and I will be keeping a close eye on the questions and answers and using them to steer this initiative. If you are an experienced Fedoran with good communication skills who would like to participate, please put your name on the list of answer providers: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WeeklyQuestions/SolversList More to come... -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The result would be similar to "Ask Shadowman" > in Red Hat Magazine -- somewhat like a weekly FAQ, with the significant > difference being that it's completely Fedora-centric, and we have the > ability to be a bit more current through dipping into the input stream > in real time. Sorry I couldnt respond to this while the earlier discussion came up but if we are starting a column, we should be expanding the scope of it a bit more. "Ask Shadowman" is useful because it doesnt limit the column to merely tech support questions. We can ask things like say " Why should I switch from Slackware to one of the Red Hat products" and still get an answer. http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/departments/ask_shadowman/ So in my opinion we are better off renaming the column as "Ask Fedora" or something like that and let the community ask whatever they want to. I was about to start my own blog series (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that now for the greater cause. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 9 22:44:25 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:44:25 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le lundi 10 juillet 2006 ? 04:00 +0530, Rahul a ?crit : > I was about to start my own blog series > (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 > community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that > now for the greater cause. Ask Rahul has a nice personal touch. Much better than Ask Fedora! The sacrifice is not the way you write it Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 23:58:49 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:58:49 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1152489529.1484.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 04:00 +0530, Rahul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > NOTE: Followup set to fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > Fedora Weekly News, in association with the Fedora Documentation > > Project, is soon to start a new regular column devoted to giving answers > > to common user problems. The result would be similar to "Ask Shadowman" > > in Red Hat Magazine -- somewhat like a weekly FAQ, with the significant > > difference being that it's completely Fedora-centric, and we have the > > ability to be a bit more current through dipping into the input stream > > in real time. > > Sorry I couldnt respond to this while the earlier discussion came up but > if we are starting a column, we should be expanding the scope of it a > bit more. "Ask Shadowman" is useful because it doesnt limit the column > to merely tech support questions. We can ask things like say " Why > should I switch from Slackware to one of the Red Hat products" and still > get an answer. > > http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/departments/ask_shadowman/ Agreed -- this wasn't apparent from my post, but that's what I intended. In fact, I was going to add some similar questions to the queue when I get a chance. Any you'd like to contribute are welcome of course! > So in my opinion we are better off renaming the column as "Ask Fedora" > or something like that and let the community ask whatever they want to. > I was about to start my own blog series > (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 > community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that > now for the greater cause. Whatever money we recoup, I'll give you half. :-D -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 23:59:59 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 00:44 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le lundi 10 juillet 2006 ? 04:00 +0530, Rahul a ?crit : > > > I was about to start my own blog series > > (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 > > community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that > > now for the greater cause. > > Ask Rahul has a nice personal touch. Much better than Ask Fedora! The > sacrifice is not the way you write it I don't know, I kind of like "Ask Fedora," especially since I have some of the recent T-shirts that read, "I am Fedora." If Fedora is the community, and the community members answer, that's pretty fitting to me. (Better fitting than the T-shirt, even.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 10 00:10:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:40:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 00:44 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le lundi 10 juillet 2006 ? 04:00 +0530, Rahul a ?crit : >> >>> I was about to start my own blog series >>> (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 >>> community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that >>> now for the greater cause. >> Ask Rahul has a nice personal touch. Much better than Ask Fedora! The >> sacrifice is not the way you write it > > I don't know, I kind of like "Ask Fedora," especially since I have some > of the recent T-shirts that read, "I am Fedora." If Fedora is the > community, and the community members answer, that's pretty fitting to > me. (Better fitting than the T-shirt, even.) Ok. I added myself to the solvers list. Note that the Red Hat magazine column says Ask Shadowman instead of Ask Red Hat. If we call it "Ask Fedora", we are assuming that much more responsibility. I think thats a good thing. Another way to go about doing this, is to give a name for the Fedora logo and name the column after that. How are we going to be receiving answers? I would prefer that the questions be send to a list. Would this list suffice or do we a fedora-news-group list where we can have the editorial group, solvers group and whoever working with fedora news site to be subscribed to it. That has the effect of endorsing fedoranews.org better too Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 10 07:16:09 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:16:09 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > >> My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff >> like this? > > IMHO as long as the licensing is compatible, it should all end in a > fedora-extras package Disagree. What if I also want *my* wallpapers as a package in Extras? What if a ton of other people want the same? Where it stops? I think a package in Extras should include a limited number of *selected* wallpapers with the rest hosted in an online gallery, which gallery should be part of Fedora Art, with a very low barrier to entry for new contributors. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Jul 10 08:01:27 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <38362.192.54.193.51.1152518487.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 10 juillet 2006 09:16, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : >> >>> My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff >>> like this? >> >> IMHO as long as the licensing is compatible, it should all end in a >> fedora-extras package > > Disagree. What if I also want *my* wallpapers as a package in Extras? > What if a ton of other people want the same? Where it stops? Well, any wallpaper package will be filtered the same way as other Fedora Extras packages (that is not at all, as long as the spec is sane) If you want this kind of filtering in extras, take it with FESCO -- Nicolas Mailhot From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Jul 10 08:45:25 2006 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:45:25 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1152521125.4341.4.camel@fcserver.mwiriadi.id.local> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:16 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le dimanche 09 juillet 2006 ? 11:35 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > > > >> My question is, should/do we have a page on the wiki dedicated to stuff > >> like this? > > > > IMHO as long as the licensing is compatible, it should all end in a > > fedora-extras package > > Disagree. What if I also want *my* wallpapers as a package in Extras? > What if a ton of other people want the same? Where it stops? > > I think a package in Extras should include a limited number of > *selected* wallpapers with the rest hosted in an online gallery, which > gallery should be part of Fedora Art, with a very low barrier to entry > for new contributors. > What makes the cut? I'm not trying to be stupid here but having someone dictate what kind of wallpaper is allowed or not provided, it meets the extras requirement, should be allowed. I agree with you that somebodies wallpapers are not my taste. However, it might be someone else's taste. I personally don't like censorship in some cases. Obviously pornography and the like if thats allowed in warnings should be displayed but if not I understand completely. Barring extreme cases I would welcome more wallpapers in some way. Naming conventions will be a bit wierd but diversity is what we are after I would have thought. 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What if I also want *my* wallpapers as a package in Extras? You merely have to provide a package for review according to the packaging guidelines, respond to comments and fix up issues and continue maintaining them. >> What if a ton of other people want the same? Where it stops? It stops when people lose interest or when the images are questionable. I can't see why anyone would package tons of images in Fedora Extras. We will get to solve it when we reach that point. >> >> I think a package in Extras should include a limited number of >> *selected* wallpapers with the rest hosted in an online gallery, which >> gallery should be part of Fedora Art, with a very low barrier to entry >> for new contributors. >> > > What makes the cut? I'm not trying to be stupid here but having someone > dictate what kind of wallpaper is allowed or not provided, it meets the > extras requirement, should be allowed. We already specify a limitation of not allowing content in the packaging guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7b9a49b5edb36e3bda3aac This specifically says that wallpapers are allowed. If someone packages up a lot of wallpapers, thats their choice. If there are problems with that, we will discuss it when it happens. Arguing about these kind of stuff therotically is useless. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 10 10:06:50 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:06:50 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <1152521125.4341.4.camel@fcserver.mwiriadi.id.local> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> <1152521125.4341.4.camel@fcserver.mwiriadi.id.local> Message-ID: <44B226BA.7000700@nicubunu.ro> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > What makes the cut? I'm not trying to be stupid here but having someone > dictate what kind of wallpaper is allowed or not provided, it meets the > extras requirement, should be allowed. > > I agree with you that somebodies wallpapers are not my taste. However, > it might be someone else's taste. I personally don't like censorship in > some cases. Obviously pornography and the like if thats allowed in > warnings should be displayed but if not I understand completely. I was not trying to argue for censorship, I am very vocal about it (you can find online references of me arguing *for* legit uses of the nazi flag or nudity), I was arguing for quality and diversity over quantity. Have a look at http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=2 Would you want a package with all those images? How about instead a collection with 100 or 50 of the images with the largest user ratings? > Barring extreme cases I would welcome more wallpapers in some way. > Naming conventions will be a bit wierd but diversity is what we are > after I would have thought. For me the ideal scenario would be the old idea of Background Channels http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/background_channels with some channels provided by a hypotetic art.fedoraproject.org website -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 10 10:09:34 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:09:34 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <44B226BA.7000700@nicubunu.ro> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B1FEB9.80306@nicubunu.ro> <1152521125.4341.4.camel@fcserver.mwiriadi.id.local> <44B226BA.7000700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <44B2275E.3080203@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > I was not trying to argue for censorship, I am very vocal about it (you Uh, I am definitely stupid, replace "about" with "against" :D -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Jul 10 11:06:06 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:06:06 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44B2349E.8060903@glezos.com> O/H Rahul ??????: > Note that the Red Hat magazine column says Ask Shadowman instead of Ask > Red Hat. If we call it "Ask Fedora", we are assuming that much more > responsibility. I think thats a good thing. Another way to go about > doing this, is to give a name for the Fedora logo and name the column > after that. +1. Probably this is more important than it looks originally. There is a huge difference between 'Fedora' signing the answers and the 'Fedora experts' doing so. -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Jul 10 11:46:35 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <44B2349E.8060903@glezos.com> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> <44B2349E.8060903@glezos.com> Message-ID: <60181.192.54.193.51.1152531995.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 10 juillet 2006 13:06, Dimitris Glezos a ?crit : > O/H Rahul ??????: >> Note that the Red Hat magazine column says Ask Shadowman instead of Ask >> Red Hat. If we call it "Ask Fedora", we are assuming that much more >> responsibility. I think thats a good thing. Another way to go about >> doing this, is to give a name for the Fedora logo and name the column >> after that. > > +1. Probably this is more important than it looks originally. There is a > huge difference between 'Fedora' signing the answers and the 'Fedora > experts' doing so. Oh, well, this just shows the project needs a mascott, if Rahul does not volunteer ;) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From paulds at bu.edu Mon Jul 10 15:33:23 2006 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:33:23 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <60181.192.54.193.51.1152531995.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> <44B2349E.8060903@glezos.com> <60181.192.54.193.51.1152531995.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060710153323.GB20250@prozac.horde.com> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 01:46:35PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Oh, well, this just shows the project needs a mascott, if Rahul does not > volunteer ;) [sniff, sniff] smells like... the Return Of Scapegoat! -paul"I only wish I were as clever as Jef"stauffer -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 01:48:06 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:48:06 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] FWN Column In-Reply-To: <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> References: <1152468156.1484.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B18368.6030700@fedoraproject.org> <1152485065.8685.84.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1152489599.1484.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44B19B09.7070900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1152582486.1484.174.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 05:40 +0530, Rahul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 00:44 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> Le lundi 10 juillet 2006 ? 04:00 +0530, Rahul a ?crit : > >> > >>> I was about to start my own blog series > >>> (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/008505.html) or 108 > >>> community "Ask Rahul" and get all the glory but I will sacrifice that > >>> now for the greater cause. > >> Ask Rahul has a nice personal touch. Much better than Ask Fedora! The > >> sacrifice is not the way you write it > > > > I don't know, I kind of like "Ask Fedora," especially since I have some > > of the recent T-shirts that read, "I am Fedora." If Fedora is the > > community, and the community members answer, that's pretty fitting to > > me. (Better fitting than the T-shirt, even.) > > Ok. I added myself to the solvers list. > > Note that the Red Hat magazine column says Ask Shadowman instead of Ask > Red Hat. If we call it "Ask Fedora", we are assuming that much more > responsibility. I think thats a good thing. Another way to go about > doing this, is to give a name for the Fedora logo and name the column > after that. > > How are we going to be receiving answers? I would prefer that the > questions be send to a list. Would this list suffice or do we a > fedora-news-group list where we can have the editorial group, solvers > group and whoever working with fedora news site to be subscribed to it. > That has the effect of endorsing fedoranews.org better too I don't think a list is necessary. Solvers should put a watch on the WeeklyQuestions page, and can add their answers there. The results can be collected, checked, and added to FWN. Some people might say that ruins the surprise, but the point's not to surprise anyone, it's to educate. Who knows, we ourselves might learn something from one another! (I know I do, and regularly at that.) This will make a great function for the official fp.o Plone, since it will be able to automatically group these entries into a dynamic FAQ. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Jul 11 06:27:49 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <44B226BA.7000700@nicubunu.ro> References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152521125.4341.4.camel@fcserver.mwiriadi.id.local> <44B226BA.7000700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200607110127.52954.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 10 July 2006 05:06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > For me the ideal scenario would be the old idea of Background Channels > http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/background_channels with some > channels provided by a hypotetic art.fedoraproject.org website This is actually already planned. Originally, we were going to tackle developing a gallery solution loosely based upon GNOME's gallery, but that seems to have fizzled out in favor of finding an existing solution. Right now, we're basically waiting on some of the other Plone-related issues to be solved, after which we'll look at using Plone, possibly with extensions, to provide the gallery solution. Failing that, we'll be looking at all available options, with preference on galleries coded in Python and that could integrate with some of the other technologies used by the Fedora Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Schedule -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jul 11 15:19:59 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:19:59 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Wallpapers In-Reply-To: References: <1152425120.13590.5.camel@dragon.gja.in> <1152432633.8685.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <44B0E76D.1090405@glezos.com> Message-ID: <44B3C19F.2060306@redhat.com> Warning - IANAL, and can't offer legal advice, etc. etc., these are just my thoughts: > On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Dimitris Glezos wrote: >> I believe that the CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License of >> Diana's work is not compatible because of the Non commercial and No >> derivatives clauses. Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Heh. Licensing, content, and RPMs. A fascinating topic. :) > > We don't yet have a clear policy for licensing of artwork. The Fedora > logo, for instance, *cannot* itself be licensed because it's a trademark > that we want to protect. > > But what does that mean for projects that seek to reuse that artwork? > Makes it very difficult. FWIW I really think Creative Commons' Attribution ShareAlike license [1] is the most compatible artwork license for the ideals of Fedora. I really don't like the idea of having NoDerivs applied to Fedora artwork as that seems to render it 'closed source' in a way. If other artists would like to take NoDeriv-licensed wallpapers, 'remix' them, and make them available, they cannot under the provisions of that license. The rationale for the NoDerivs clause on any artwork that uses the Fedora logo makes no sense to me. We're not licensing our code 'NoDerivs,' why would we want to license our artwork NoDerivs? It doesn't protect the logo - it protects everything in the image but the Fedora logo, case in point: (1) If I wanted to take a nice wallpaper but modify it so it was say a Debian wallpaper rather than a Fedora one, it seems I could not because of the NoDerivs clause. If I took the wallpaper with the Fedora logo on a golf ball, for example, gimped out the Fedora logo and put in a Debian logo, that would be creating a derivative of that wallpaper thus violating the license. (2) If I wanted to make a new wallpaper with the Fedora logo, I most certainly could and people have - Diana has a whole website full of them. So the NoDerivs clause does not seem to protect the logo at least in practice. AFAIK, we are also looking to use Attribution ShareAlike for the new icons the Fedora Art team is working on [2] (please correct me if I'm wrong, Diana) The advantage of the CC licenses over the GPL (the GPL was used for the Bluecurve icon artwork) is that the CC licenses are written specifically to address media content, and the Attribution ShareAlike license is really the closest of the CC licenses in spirit to the GPL. I understand that the logo licensing issue is complicated and hairy, but I think having artwork with a NoDerivs license just makes the situation worse. It seems to me that the presence of the logo in a piece of artwork suggests a more open license; otherwise the artist in question is taking the logo as it was their own IP and their right to license its usage which it is not. Wouldn't allowing people to do such jeopardize the trademark? This all seems to be a sore topic though. How do we discuss this and move forward with a solid policy? I think this is a very important step for the Fedora Art team to grow. ~m [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveAndBeyond From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 11 17:16:57 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:46:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] [Fwd: CNET article on DejaVu] Message-ID: <44B3DD09.3060404@fedoraproject.org> Hi A few quotes from me and Max Spevack and some from Nicolas Mailhot who maintains the Dejavu font page in Fedora Extras. A well rounded article IMO. Rahul -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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And we learn officially Vera is dead (as in pay us and we may update it dixit Bitstream). So much for waiting for a Bitsream-lead effort. I share Rahul's opinion - the article turned way better than I expected (and that's not because of the "Mailhot said" bits in it - in fact I quite hate them) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If other > artists would like to take NoDeriv-licensed wallpapers, 'remix' them, > and make them available, they cannot under the provisions of that > license. The rationale for the NoDerivs clause on any artwork that uses > the Fedora logo makes no sense to me. We're not licensing our code > 'NoDerivs,' why would we want to license our artwork NoDerivs? It > doesn't protect the logo - it protects everything in the image but the > Fedora logo, case in point: [...] > > This all seems to be a sore topic though. How do we discuss this and > move forward with a solid policy? I think this is a very important step > for the Fedora Art team to grow. I couldn't agree more. If I am forced to publish my artwork as NoDerivs, then I prefer to put it on my own website, with whatever license I want and let the Google search decide what users get for 'fedora wallpapers' (for the time being, my page is the first, 'I feel lucky', result). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 16 09:06:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:36:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL Message-ID: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> Hi "The article revealed that many distributions' maintainers were erroneously assuming that they did not need to provide source repositories for packages they did not modify, so long as the original upstream distribution did provide the source code. This responsibility is by no means new, but seems to have been widely overlooked. David Turner, GPL compliance officer at the Free Software Foundation, suggested that these distros might come into compliance by making some arrangement with the upstream supplier. Turner's suggestion was rejected by Max Spevack, Fedora Board chair, partly because of the possible expense, but chiefly because it might encourage forking and leave the upstream distribution open to legal liability for the downstream one." http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/2044245&from=rss Not sure how a agreement with upstream would encourage forking. Max, can you expand on that? Needless to say, a better working arrangement with derivative distributions is pretty important for Fedora. We have a number of Fedora derivatives out there that could be doing interesting modifications that we need to look at. Rahul From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Jul 16 10:03:26 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200607160503.28914.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 16 July 2006 04:06, Rahul wrote: > > "The article revealed that many distributions' maintainers were > erroneously assuming that they did not need to provide source > repositories for packages they did not modify, so long as the original > upstream distribution did provide the source code. This responsibility > is by no means new, but seems to have been widely overlooked. David > Turner, GPL compliance officer at the Free Software Foundation, > suggested that these distros might come into compliance by making some > arrangement with the upstream supplier. > > Turner's suggestion was rejected by Max Spevack, Fedora Board chair, > partly because of the possible expense, but chiefly because it might > encourage forking and leave the upstream distribution open to legal > liability for the downstream one." > > http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/2044245&from=rss > > Not sure how a agreement with upstream would encourage forking. Max, can > you expand on that? > > Needless to say, a better working arrangement with derivative > distributions is pretty important for Fedora. We have a number of Fedora > derivatives out there that could be doing interesting modifications that > we need to look at. > There's a significant difference between derivative distributions and third-party repositories. Most of the projects that use Fedora Core as a base are third-party repositories. The derivatives are true forks, and are not something we want to get tied to supporting, even though we certainly don't mind enabling them. The Fedora Project's code will remain freely available for the foreseeable future, but there's no reason for us to take responsibility for providing that source to keep a downstream distribution GPL compliant. If we enter into an agreement with downstream distributions, we could end up being responsible if changes in our code provisions result in those downstream distributions being in violation of the GPL. If we do make an open agreement to provide the code for downstream distributions, it becomes almost as easy to handle a downstream distribution as to host a third-party repository. Since a third-party repository would be more restricted than another distribution, lazy packagers that want to casually modify Fedora Core could end up forking it. Forcing them to maintain their own code repositories raises the bar to a point where those packagers would have to make a real commitment before forking. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 16 10:14:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:44:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <200607160503.28914.nman64@n-man.com> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> <200607160503.28914.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44BA117D.5080506@fedoraproject.org> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Sunday 16 July 2006 04:06, Rahul wrote: >> "The article revealed that many distributions' maintainers were >> erroneously assuming that they did not need to provide source >> repositories for packages they did not modify, so long as the original >> upstream distribution did provide the source code. This responsibility >> is by no means new, but seems to have been widely overlooked. David >> Turner, GPL compliance officer at the Free Software Foundation, >> suggested that these distros might come into compliance by making some >> arrangement with the upstream supplier. >> >> Turner's suggestion was rejected by Max Spevack, Fedora Board chair, >> partly because of the possible expense, but chiefly because it might >> encourage forking and leave the upstream distribution open to legal >> liability for the downstream one." >> >> http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/2044245&from=rss >> >> Not sure how a agreement with upstream would encourage forking. Max, can >> you expand on that? >> >> Needless to say, a better working arrangement with derivative >> distributions is pretty important for Fedora. We have a number of Fedora >> derivatives out there that could be doing interesting modifications that >> we need to look at. >> > > There's a significant difference between derivative distributions and > third-party repositories. Most of the projects that use Fedora Core as a > base are third-party repositories. Not really. There are significant number of derivative distribution. In fact, its the second largest base according to distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence#fedora The derivatives are true forks, and are > not something we want to get tied to supporting, even though we certainly > don't mind enabling them. This is also incorrect. There a number of distributions which basically treat Fedora as upstream and then make modifications on the packages, configuration or updates and do it continuously based on newer releases of Fedora. Examples here include RHEL and blag > > The Fedora Project's code will remain freely available for the foreseeable > future, but there's no reason for us to take responsibility for providing > that source to keep a downstream distribution GPL compliant. If we enter > into an agreement with downstream distributions, we could end up being > responsible if changes in our code provisions result in those downstream > distributions being in violation of the GPL. > > If we do make an open agreement to provide the code for downstream > distributions, it becomes almost as easy to handle a downstream distribution > as to host a third-party repository. Since a third-party repository would be > more restricted than another distribution, lazy packagers that want to > casually modify Fedora Core could end up forking it. Forcing them to > maintain their own code repositories raises the bar to a point where those > packagers would have to make a real commitment before forking. > I think we should make it trivially easy to rebrand Fedora and look at colloborating with derivative distributions. The form of colloboration is not necessarily any sort of legal or business agreements but merely working arrangements that help us understand what the derivatives or doing and see if we can help out in mutually beneficial ways. This is more and more important as there is a means to start treating Fedora as a big base of packages which people do interesting things from rather than just a consumer package. Rahul From mattdm at mattdm.org Sun Jul 16 12:29:33 2006 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:29:33 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060716122933.GA26393@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 02:36:28PM +0530, Rahul wrote: > "The article revealed that many distributions' maintainers were > erroneously assuming that they did not need to provide source > repositories for packages they did not modify, so long as the original > upstream distribution did provide the source code. This responsibility > is by no means new, but seems to have been widely overlooked. David I'm kind of shocked that anyone with the skills to maintain a derivative distribution wasn't aware of the basics of the GPL. > Needless to say, a better working arrangement with derivative > distributions is pretty important for Fedora. We have a number of Fedora > derivatives out there that could be doing interesting modifications that > we need to look at. And we need to do a better job feeding back to Fedora. There's just so little time! -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 16 12:39:45 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:09:45 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <20060716122933.GA26393@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> <20060716122933.GA26393@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <44BA3391.9090509@fedoraproject.org> Matthew Miller wrote: > >> Needless to say, a better working arrangement with derivative >> distributions is pretty important for Fedora. We have a number of Fedora >> derivatives out there that could be doing interesting modifications that >> we need to look at. > > And we need to do a better job feeding back to Fedora. There's just so > little time! > I would be interested to know the kind of changes you are making to Fedora and things that would make the process easier. Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Jul 16 17:55:00 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:55:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <44BA117D.5080506@fedoraproject.org> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> <200607160503.28914.nman64@n-man.com> <44BA117D.5080506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44BA7D74.9040506@glezos.com> O/H Rahul ??????: > I think we should make it trivially easy to rebrand Fedora and look at > colloborating with derivative distributions.The form of colloboration > is not necessarily any sort of legal or business agreements but merely > working arrangements that help us understand what the derivatives or > doing and see if we can help out in mutually beneficial ways. > > This is more and more important as there is a means to start treating > Fedora as a big base of packages which people do interesting things from > rather than just a consumer package. +1. Many distributions (derivatives or not) produce useful tools and ideas which could be used in Fedora, without re-inventing the wheel (this is, besides, the whole idea of FOSS). Also, Fedora could provide them with arrangements that could be useful for them. We should strive to see developers of derivative distributions as collaborators and lower the barrier of collaboration as much as possible. -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Jul 16 18:19:26 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <44BA7D74.9040506@glezos.com> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> <44BA117D.5080506@fedoraproject.org> <44BA7D74.9040506@glezos.com> Message-ID: <200607161319.31642.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:55, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Rahul ??????: > > I think we should make it trivially easy to rebrand Fedora and look at > > colloborating with derivative distributions.The form of colloboration > > is not necessarily any sort of legal or business agreements but merely > > working arrangements that help us understand what the derivatives or > > doing and see if we can help out in mutually beneficial ways. > > > > This is more and more important as there is a means to start treating > > Fedora as a big base of packages which people do interesting things from > > rather than just a consumer package. > > +1. Many distributions (derivatives or not) produce useful tools and > ideas which could be used in Fedora, without re-inventing the wheel > (this is, besides, the whole idea of FOSS). Also, Fedora could provide > them with arrangements that could be useful for them. > > We should strive to see developers of derivative distributions as > collaborators and lower the barrier of collaboration as much as possible. > To a degree, we already do a lot to enable derivatives. Our licensing, trademark guidelines, and packaging processes are all friendly to derivatives. The issue at hand is whether or not we would be willing to accept responsibility for providing the source code as required by the GPL for a downstream distribution. I really don't think we should. I'm happy to enable derivatives, but I don't think we should take any responsibility for them. We also need to be very careful in establishing any sort of relationship with specific derivatives. There are plenty of political and liability concerns behind doing so. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at projetofedora.org Mon Jul 17 13:10:32 2006 From: david at projetofedora.org (David Barzilay) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:10:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL Message-ID: Hi! > And we need to do a better job feeding back to Fedora. There's just so > little time! Could we offer the needed infra-structure to facilitate this? > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> Best, -- David Barzilay Embaixador Global do Fedora Embaixador Brasileiro From sankar at redhat.com Mon Jul 17 14:08:08 2006 From: sankar at redhat.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:38:08 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <200607161319.31642.nman64@n-man.com> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> <44BA117D.5080506@fedoraproject.org> <44BA7D74.9040506@glezos.com> <200607161319.31642.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44BB99C8.6060200@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > To a degree, we already do a lot to enable derivatives. Our licensing, > trademark guidelines, and packaging processes are all friendly to > derivatives. The issue at hand is whether or not we would be willing to > accept responsibility for providing the source code as required by the GPL > for a downstream distribution. I really don't think we should. I'm happy to > enable derivatives, but I don't think we should take any responsibility for > them. We also need to be very careful in establishing any sort of > relationship with specific derivatives. There are plenty of political and > liability concerns behind doing so. The moot issue might just be whether upstream Fedora has the means/methods/tools to validate that the binaries that are going into the derivative are in-toto from the upstream repos. The derivative distribution has the liability to produce sources for the binaries on demand - if they can substantially establish that the so-claimed upstream binaries packaged are no different from the ones obtained through Fedora repos they might just be able to deliver a derivative distribution. I am not suggesting that upstream take on the onus for providing the source, rather what I would like to know whether there can be a means for the derivative distributions to point to upstream sources as pristine and hence be able to (re)distribute them towards compliance. :Sankarshan ps; I am still looking into the earlier posts on this (MUA freakishness) so pardon me if I post to a closed issue -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEu5nI+g4kmZ76nyERAtRWAJ9VtBDDTOKDb8LLWAIzRdvtZJje7QCffzzF BH8/lsqgWCKVtMiMqIBn5Eg= =2wWl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jul 18 19:08:49 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Derivate distributions and GPL In-Reply-To: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> References: <44BA0194.1020500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Rahul wrote: > Not sure how a agreement with upstream would encourage forking. Max, can > you expand on that? Here's the full text of the email that I sent to Bruce Byfield, the newsforge reporter, from which he quoted briefly: ============== There are several reasons why the Fedora Project would be hesitant to officially sanction downstream distributions to point to upstream code repositiories, rather than those downstream distributions directly redistributing the code. The first has to do with the issue of forking. If the downstream developer has improvements, those improvements should be fed into the upstream code whenever possible. If downstream doesn't want to push those changes upstream, then it makes sense that the downstream distribution should bear the burden of redistributing the source for the forked code. Secondly, there is an issue of legal liability. In the case of an upstream distribution allowing a downstream re-distribution to point at the upstream repositories, the upstream party would be assuming legal liability for the downstream modifier, and that is not something that the Fedora Project is interested in doing. The third issue is that of cost -- which while a valid concern, in my opinion is a lesser issue than the other two. ============== -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 20 20:42:52 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:12:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] New Fedora test lead begins work Message-ID: <44BFEACC.3000809@fedoraproject.org> Hi Interesting how many of those commenting on this talk about Fedora Core 5 being a distinct improvement. Having the needle move from changing perceptions to managing expectations is a nice challenge. Article ------- http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/06/07/11/1431207.shtml?tid=138&tid=2 Reflections ----------- http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/07/20/1231217.shtml http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15242 http://lwn.net/Articles/191919/ Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 22:39:15 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] they use the word Fedora in this K12LTSP article, so i guess it counts as a Fedora press clipping. Message-ID: <604aa7910607201539h4f84769ck72a5992711ca5ebe@mail.gmail.com> http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml -jef"explain to me how 2 of my cpu fan blades shear off during my cross country move, without all the rest of the computer internals being pounded into dust"spaleta From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 26 14:21:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:51:17 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Use Fedora Directory Server For Manageable LDAP Message-ID: <44C77A5D.8020209@fedoraproject.org> Hi First part of a series looking at FDS http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3622486 Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 27 13:41:49 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:41:49 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Preparation of Fedora T-shirts Message-ID: <1154007709.6389.20.camel@redhat> Hi, I have a question in connection with production of Fedora T-shirts. Due to many incoming Linux events in autumn, I will need a large amount of the T-shirts. Because it is much cheaper to produce it locally, I have decided to cooperate with a Polish shop which sells stuff connected with Linux and Open Source (www.linuxstuff.pl). I am thinking of something about 200 T-shirts. It will cost a significiant amount of money, so it will be difficult to cover it by my own prior to get reimbursement. Would it be possible to e.g. get half of the needed amount and pay to the shop and later, after the stuff is received, pay them the second half, or something like that? Or maybe have you other ideas how to proceed that? Regards, Pawel Sadowski From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 27 15:02:49 2006 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:02:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Preparation of Fedora T-shirts In-Reply-To: <1154007709.6389.20.camel@redhat> References: <1154007709.6389.20.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <44C8D599.70709@fedoraproject.org> Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question in connection with production of Fedora T-shirts. Due > to many incoming Linux events in autumn, I will need a large amount of > the T-shirts. Because it is much cheaper to produce it locally, I have > decided to cooperate with a Polish shop which sells stuff connected with > Linux and Open Source (www.linuxstuff.pl). I am thinking of something > about 200 T-shirts. It will cost a significiant amount of money, so it > will be difficult to cover it by my own prior to get reimbursement. > Would it be possible to e.g. get half of the needed amount and pay to > the shop and later, after the stuff is received, pay them the second > half, or something like that? Or maybe have you other ideas how to > proceed that? > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski Have you talked with the vendor about Sponsoring the shirts? As in you would they be willing to cover part of the costs of the shirts for your Fedora events if their logo was included on the shirt? You want to give away 200 shirts, that's 200 people walking around with an advert for the vendor - there is value there. From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 27 16:39:15 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:39:15 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Preparation of Fedora T-shirts Message-ID: <1154018355.6389.26.camel@redhat> On 27/07/2006 Karlie Robinson wrote: > Have you talked with the vendor about Sponsoring the shirts? As in > you > would they be willing to cover part of the costs of the shirts for > your > Fedora events if their logo was included on the shirt? > > You want to give away 200 shirts, that's 200 people walking around > with > an advert for the vendor - there is value there. Hmm, it can be a good idea. I will try to find some local vendor willing to cover part of the costs. Regards, Pawel Sadowski From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 31 18:58:41 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Preparation of Fedora T-shirts In-Reply-To: <1154018355.6389.26.camel@redhat> References: <1154018355.6389.26.camel@redhat> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > On 27/07/2006 Karlie Robinson wrote: > >> Have you talked with the vendor about Sponsoring the shirts? As in >> you >> would they be willing to cover part of the costs of the shirts for >> your >> Fedora events if their logo was included on the shirt? >> >> You want to give away 200 shirts, that's 200 people walking around >> with >> an advert for the vendor - there is value there. > > Hmm, it can be a good idea. I will try to find some local vendor willing > to cover part of the costs. In addition, please keep me in the loop, and I can work with FAMSCO and discuss helping with the costs. If you want to get tshirts made locally, that's a fantastic idea, and I am supportive of that. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21