From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 1 00:06:51 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Here's what the next FUDCon should look like: Message-ID: http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/an_open_source_conference_barcamp Thoughts? --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From cra at WPI.EDU Thu Jun 1 02:00:53 2006 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:00:53 -0400 Subject: Here's what the next FUDCon should look like: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060601020053.GB25003@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:06:51PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/an_open_source_conference_barcamp > Thoughts? Excellent. What a great idea which embraces the idea of open source and brings it all the way to the conference floor. From splinux at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 4 23:04:17 2006 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:04:17 +0200 Subject: Fedora Interviw was born Message-ID: Hello, Fedora Interviw was born, Fedora Interview program has for goal to present quickly the contributors behind Fedora Project. These contributors that you come across on the mailing lists, on irc channels or even on http://www.fedoraproject.org/people explain to you in few words what their role are inside the Fedora Project. You find the program at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Interview. I thank Chitles for his help and participation ;-) Best regards Damien Durand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for your excellent work! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From splinux at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 5 07:16:17 2006 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:16:17 +0200 Subject: Fedora Interviw was born In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0606041644tc2af7dp1de49ac468f0cff7@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0606041644tc2af7dp1de49ac468f0cff7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your answer Thomas ;-) The next interview will be devoted to Bob Jensen. I hope with this program provide more informations about people behind the Fedora Project. Fedora Interview program is now official? I will begin the translation in french soon :) 2006/6/5, Thomas Chung : > > On 6/4/06, Damien Durand wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Fedora Interviw was born, Fedora Interview program has for goal to > present > > quickly the contributors behind Fedora Project. These contributors that > you > > come across on the mailing lists, on irc channels or even on > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/people explain to you in few > > words what their role are inside the Fedora Project. > > > > You find the program at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Interview. > > > > I thank Chitles for his help and participation ;-) > > > > Best regards > > > > Damien Durand > > > Great Initiative! > Thank you for your excellent work! > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Jun 5 21:20:17 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:20:17 +0100 Subject: Self-introduction: Dimitris Glezos Message-ID: <4484A011.5070009@glezos.com> Hi all. Posting a self-introduction message for anyone who would like to reference or read it. 1. Full name - Dimitris G. Glezos (aka Jim) 2. City, Country - Patras/Athens (Greece), Limassol (Cyprus) 3. Student status - PhD student * Research interests: Semantic web, Interoperability, Information integration & accessibility, Knowledge representation. 4. School - University of Manchester, UK (previously Comp Eng/ing @ CEID, Patras, Greece) 5. Your goals in the Fedora Project * What do you want to write about? - First of all, make Fedora have 100% greek support (that includes fonts that work, translations and docs). - Contribute to the docs project and marketing. - Goal: Increase the Fedora usage percentage in Greece and Cyprus. * What other documentation do you want to see published? - More user-friendly tutorials. - More complete and detailed roadmap, ideas etc, to enhance the community spirit. 6. Historical qualifications * What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? Projects: - Software patents: Worked for two years as greek coordinator for the anti-software patents fight. Wrote a dozen press releases, lobbyied several times in the EU parliament and worked a lot with politicians & the media; contacted and referenced me many times. - Initiated & maintained the greek PHP manual translation for 2 years (Docbook). - LUGs: Coordinator of Cyprus LUG for some years. Writing: - I write a lot in my weblog, which could be characterized as "popular" in the greek tech world. - Got referenced by some greek computer magazines for "Aloha 2.6" article about 2.6 kernel arrival. * What level and type of computer skills do you have? - Much experience with portal development, PHP/XML/XSLT, database designing, scripting, Latex. - Portal/website usability & accessibility consultant. * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? - Good intuition/knowledge for usable UI design. - Lots, LOTS of ideas coming and going for almost everything around me (warning: this sometimes gets people frustrated...) - Amateur photographer and designer (websites, logos etc). * Why should we trust you? - Long-time FOSS and SwPat activist in Cyprus and Greece. - Coordinator and participant in many greek FOSS projects. - Always used real name for all e-life activities. 7. GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/A5A04C3B 2002-09-23 Key fingerprint = ED86 AFE1 512D C8A6 241D 0975 8080 8A81 A5A0 4C3B uid Dimitris Glezos sub 3072g/B0CF5ACE 2002-09-23 -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From chasd at silveroaks.com Tue Jun 6 22:47:37 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:47:37 -0500 Subject: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted In-Reply-To: <20060530160011.3CDB773048@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060530160011.3CDB773048@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >> You keep saying that it's possible for sub-orgs to identify with the >> Fedora >> project in their logos without changing the established usage >> guidelines, but >> you don't explain how that is possible. I'd love to hear your >> thoughts. > > I am working under a deadline right now, I will try to see if I can > set aside some time to come up with a few ideas. I am still looking for time to do this, I have not fallen off the edge of the earth I will post URLs when I have something to show. Charles Dostale From naoki at valuecommerce.com Wed Jun 7 10:17:23 2006 From: naoki at valuecommerce.com (Naoki) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:17:23 +0900 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. Message-ID: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and we all know about those ). I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and this is what I felt about the results.. "mandriva" - Looks clean, but driven by a marketing team. "centos" - Perfectly functional to me. "ubuntu" - Neat, clean, works. "suse" - Pretty good, typical corporate site. "xandros" - Much the same comment I have for Suse. "yellow dog" - And again, but more slick. "knoppix" - Lots of penguins, not pretty, but info and download links are easy to find. "slackware" - Very basic, which suits what slackware is actually. "turbolinux" - Easy enough to find what I need, not the nicest looking by far though. "red flag linux" - Works for me. "redhat" - Nice, good layout of information, get quickly into the area I want. "debian" - Not pretty at all, but works. "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting result of the bunch. Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so I can't tell. I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but it would be nice if Fedora was better represented. Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be deemed low priority / unimportant ? Cheers. From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Jun 7 13:42:16 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:42:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> Message-ID: <200606070842.20181.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 07 June 2006 05:17, Naoki wrote: > Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and > we all know about those ). > > I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and > this is what I felt about the results.. > ... > "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting > result of the bunch. > > Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the > nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so > I can't tell. > > I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but it > would be nice if Fedora was better represented. > > Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be > deemed low priority / unimportant ? > There's not too terribly much more we can do about this. Google's results are largely determined by their PageRank formulas a few other automated factors, and the standing of results can change at any time. fedora.redhat.com was long the official Fedora website, and the migration to fedoraproject.org has been slow in many regards. As more people and websites begin pointing to fedoraproject.org instead, that domain will rise in the results. Having the external references split between the two domains has a negative impact on the standings of each. If you want to help, the best thing you can do is tell people to direct their links to the fedoraproject.org domain. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Having the > external references split between the two domains has a negative impact on > the standings of each. If you want to help, the best thing you can do is > tell people to direct their links to the fedoraproject.org domain. > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes Right on brother, definitely need to promote the site as much as possible. I was wondering if perhaps some meta-tag tweaks or something might help, or links off fedora.redhat.com? From irving at alairelibre.net Wed Jun 7 13:57:15 2006 From: irving at alairelibre.net (Irving Bennett) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:57:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <200606070842.20181.nman64@n-man.com> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <200606070842.20181.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 05:17, Naoki wrote: >> Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and >> we all know about those ). >> >> I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and >> this is what I felt about the results.. >> > ... >> "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting >> result of the bunch. >> >> Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the >> nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so >> I can't tell. >> >> I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but it >> would be nice if Fedora was better represented. >> >> Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be >> deemed low priority / unimportant ? >> > > There's not too terribly much more we can do about this. Google's results > are > largely determined by their PageRank formulas a few other automated > factors, > and the standing of results can change at any time. fedora.redhat.com was > long the official Fedora website, and the migration to fedoraproject.org > has > been slow in many regards. As more people and websites begin pointing to > fedoraproject.org instead, that domain will rise in the results. Having > the > external references split between the two domains has a negative impact on > the standings of each. If you want to help, the best thing you can do is > tell people to direct their links to the fedoraproject.org domain. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > LinkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list I believe Naoki was referring to the quality of the Fedora sites. The Fedora sites do not have nearly as much information and documentation as the other sites. We know that much of the excellent Redhat documentation applies to Fedora as well, but within the Fedora sites there is almost no documentation. For example, there is no "Fedora User Guide" in the Fedora sites. Also, if you take a look at Recent Changes in the Fedora Project site, most of the activity has to do with this group. There is very little activity in the "real information" area. As a long time Fedora user, I have often turned to other places to find information on how to run my Fedora Linux systems. Most often I turn to Redhat, or tldp.org. Very seldom do I find answers in fedora.redhat.com, or fedoraproject.com... The answer, of course, is that some of us have to pick up that ball, and run with it! Saludos, Irving Bennett Panama From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jun 7 15:12:58 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <200606070842.20181.nman64@n-man.com> <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Irving Bennett wrote: > I believe Naoki was referring to the quality of the Fedora sites. The > Fedora sites do not have nearly as much information and documentation as > the other sites. We know that much of the excellent Redhat documentation > applies to Fedora as well, but within the Fedora sites there is almost no > documentation. For example, there is no "Fedora User Guide" in the Fedora > sites. Also, if you take a look at Recent Changes in the Fedora Project > site, most of the activity has to do with this group. There is very little > activity in the "real information" area. > > As a long time Fedora user, I have often turned to other places to find > information on how to run my Fedora Linux systems. Most often I turn to > Redhat, or tldp.org. Very seldom do I find answers in fedora.redhat.com, > or fedoraproject.com... The answer, of course, is that some of us have to > pick up that ball, and run with it! My $0.02: People go to Google first, in just about every case. RHEL developers, when they're trying to figure out something weird, put their error messages straight into Google. Newbies, when they're trying to figure out how to get MP3s to work on Fedora, Google "Fedora MP3". If we put the best information on fedoraproject.org, over time fedoraproject.org will become the authoritative site. That's just how it will work. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 15:20:39 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:20:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <200606070842.20181.nman64@n-man.com> <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> Message-ID: <556f970a0606070820g7fbb95edl3094c6fba61a2aaa@mail.gmail.com> Not to mix quality of th esite with Google results, but you can improve the "I'm feeling lucky" results by improving your Google page rank. That goes up the more people click your site when they type in keywords that match your meta or site contents mixed in with the number of folks that link to you. Plus a dash of pepper, and what I think is nutmeg. For what it's worth, "fedora", "fedora core" and "fedora linux" take me to fedora.redhat.com (fedora.info is second to fedora.redhat.com in pagerank) "fedora extras" takes me to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras. --jeremy On 6/7/06, Irving Bennett wrote: > > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 05:17, Naoki wrote: > >> Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and > >> we all know about those ). > >> > >> I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and > >> this is what I felt about the results.. > >> > > ... > >> "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting > >> result of the bunch. > >> > >> Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the > >> nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so > >> I can't tell. > >> > >> I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but > it > >> would be nice if Fedora was better represented. > >> > >> Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be > >> deemed low priority / unimportant ? > >> > > > > There's not too terribly much more we can do about this. Google's > results > > are > > largely determined by their PageRank formulas a few other automated > > factors, > > and the standing of results can change at any time. fedora.redhat.comwas > > long the official Fedora website, and the migration to fedoraproject.org > > has > > been slow in many regards. As more people and websites begin pointing > to > > fedoraproject.org instead, that domain will rise in the results. Having > > the > > external references split between the two domains has a negative impact > on > > the standings of each. If you want to help, the best thing you can do > is > > tell people to direct their links to the fedoraproject.org domain. > > > > -- > > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > > nman64 at n-man.com > > > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > > > LinkedIn: > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 > > > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > > -- > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > I believe Naoki was referring to the quality of the Fedora sites. The > Fedora sites do not have nearly as much information and documentation as > the other sites. We know that much of the excellent Redhat documentation > applies to Fedora as well, but within the Fedora sites there is almost no > documentation. For example, there is no "Fedora User Guide" in the Fedora > sites. Also, if you take a look at Recent Changes in the Fedora Project > site, most of the activity has to do with this group. There is very little > activity in the "real information" area. > > As a long time Fedora user, I have often turned to other places to find > information on how to run my Fedora Linux systems. Most often I turn to > Redhat, or tldp.org. Very seldom do I find answers in fedora.redhat.com, > or fedoraproject.com... The answer, of course, is that some of us have to > pick up that ball, and run with it! > > Saludos, > > Irving Bennett > Panama > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jun 7 17:53:59 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:53:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <53653.172.17.1.1.1149688635.squirrel@alairelibre.net> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <"20060607 0 842.20181.nman64"@n-man.com> Message-ID: <448712B7.5060503@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Irving Bennett escribi?: >> On Wednesday 07 June 2006 05:17, Naoki wrote: >>> Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and >>> we all know about those ). >>> >>> I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and >>> this is what I felt about the results.. >>> >> ... >>> "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting >>> result of the bunch. >>> >>> Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the >>> nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so >>> I can't tell. >>> >>> I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but it >>> would be nice if Fedora was better represented. >>> >>> Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be >>> deemed low priority / unimportant ? >>> >> There's not too terribly much more we can do about this. Google's results >> are >> largely determined by their PageRank formulas a few other automated >> factors, >> and the standing of results can change at any time. fedora.redhat.com was >> long the official Fedora website, and the migration to fedoraproject.org >> has >> been slow in many regards. As more people and websites begin pointing to >> fedoraproject.org instead, that domain will rise in the results. Having >> the >> external references split between the two domains has a negative impact on >> the standings of each. If you want to help, the best thing you can do is >> tell people to direct their links to the fedoraproject.org domain. >> >> -- >> Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes >> nman64 at n-man.com >> >> http://www.n-man.com/ >> >> LinkedIn: >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 >> >> Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! >> http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ >> -- >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > I believe Naoki was referring to the quality of the Fedora sites. The > Fedora sites do not have nearly as much information and documentation as > the other sites. We know that much of the excellent Redhat documentation > applies to Fedora as well, but within the Fedora sites there is almost no > documentation. For example, there is no "Fedora User Guide" in the Fedora > sites. Also, if you take a look at Recent Changes in the Fedora Project > site, most of the activity has to do with this group. There is very little > activity in the "real information" area. > > As a long time Fedora user, I have often turned to other places to find > information on how to run my Fedora Linux systems. Most often I turn to > Redhat, or tldp.org. Very seldom do I find answers in fedora.redhat.com, > or fedoraproject.com... The answer, of course, is that some of us have to > pick up that ball, and run with it! > > Saludos, > > Irving Bennett > Panama I was thinking about this the other day, and I think that fedraproject.org should also host the "international" sites of Fedora, in other words a single place for all things Fedora. For me searching on Google's "I feel lucky" for Fedora took me to fedora-es.com, so not that deviated (as I'm a natural Spanish speaker and my Fedora is in Spanish), but still having all fall under the fedoraproject.org/[lang] umbrella would be better, IMO. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEhxK2XM+XOp70dwoRAruYAJ92M/M4r/v3RVgTrP0tXiU1FCMIzQCfdGlk nrG1ASAh37zYG9LVhcq5nRs= =QhQa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Jun 7 19:05:54 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:05:54 +0100 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <448712B7.5060503@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <"20060607 0 842.20181.nman64"@n-man.com> <448712B7.5060503@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <44872392.9090305@glezos.com> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I was thinking about this the other day, and I think that > fedraproject.org should also host the "international" sites of Fedora, > in other words a single place for all things Fedora. That wouldn't be a bad idea at all. The french team is doing something like that: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/fr_FR and he greek team is thinking about doing it as well. Furthermore, I'd agree with Naoki about the quality. I believe it's important to give more weight on marketing and what the user needs. The first impression is important, and also important is finding (as a user) what you need, quickly. An idea is to separate a bit the development part from the user part on the website. The first pages should be carefully designed and organized. And this can be done from inside the wiki as well (we don't have to do it outside /wiki/ I mean). An example of good/simple design for a frontpage is the mozilla.org website. And of course, the clean design of fedora.redhat.com is nice. D. -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From bryan at zoinkz.com Thu Jun 8 01:06:48 2006 From: bryan at zoinkz.com (Bryan Elliott) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:06:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> Message-ID: <44877828.9030705@zoinkz.com> Naoki wrote: > Don't flame me, just making an observation and voicing an opinion ( and > we all know about those ). > > I typed the following terms into google and hit "I'm feeling Lucky" and > this is what I felt about the results.. > > "mandriva" - Looks clean, but driven by a marketing team. > "centos" - Perfectly functional to me. > "ubuntu" - Neat, clean, works. > "suse" - Pretty good, typical corporate site. > "xandros" - Much the same comment I have for Suse. > "yellow dog" - And again, but more slick. > "knoppix" - Lots of penguins, not pretty, but info and download links > are easy to find. > "slackware" - Very basic, which suits what slackware is actually. > "turbolinux" - Easy enough to find what I need, not the nicest looking > by far though. > "red flag linux" - Works for me. > "redhat" - Nice, good layout of information, get quickly into the area I > want. > "debian" - Not pretty at all, but works. > "fedora" - Without doubt the most disappointing, and least exciting > result of the bunch. > > Of the fedora sites I tend to lean towards fedoraproject.org being the > nicest, fedora.info coming in second, while fedora.us is down for me so > I can't tell. > > I tend to think the same as Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing but it > would be nice if Fedora was better represented. > > Is anybody working on perhaps improving the situation or would this be > deemed low priority / unimportant ? > > Cheers. > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > I personally think that the only way you are going to drive up stats the fedoraproject.org site and get better rankings is if the fedora.redhat.com goes away. Right now having two sites is splitting the traffic that would otherwise go to the one single site. Would it be possible to get the fedora.redhat.com site redirected to fedoraproject.org? and over time phase the redhat sub-domain out? That being said I believe that to a new user the fedora.redhat.com site is a lot less intimidating that the fedoraproject.org site. Again these are just my ideals for what they are worth. Bryan Elliott From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 8 14:46:37 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <44877828.9030705@zoinkz.com> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <44877828.9030705@zoinkz.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Bryan Elliott wrote: > I personally think that the only way you are going to drive up stats the > fedoraproject.org site and get better rankings is if the > fedora.redhat.com goes away. Right now having two sites is splitting the > traffic that would otherwise go to the one single site. Would it be > possible to get the fedora.redhat.com site redirected to > fedoraproject.org? and over time phase the redhat sub-domain out? It's in the plan -- but since we're not getting much traction on the plan here at RH, the plan is likely to, very soon, become: "We're turning f.r.c off on this date. If you have a problem with this, well... you've been warned." > That being said I believe that to a new user the fedora.redhat.com site > is a lot less intimidating that the fedoraproject.org site. Again these > are just my ideals for what they are worth. Yeah, I agree, and it's part of the difference between small informative sites and wikis. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jun 8 22:09:58 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <44877828.9030705@zoinkz.com> Message-ID: >> That being said I believe that to a new user the fedora.redhat.com site >> is a lot less intimidating that the fedoraproject.org site. Again these >> are just my ideals for what they are worth. > > Yeah, I agree, and it's part of the difference between small informative > sites and wikis. I think what we need to do is clean up the front page of the wiki a little bit, and then we can more easily serve both crowds. First impression is one of organization and a "professional" face, but when you start to dig in, you see all the wiki goodness. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/mspevack.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jun 8 22:14:02 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fedora mentioned in Information Week Message-ID: http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=187202790 or http://tinyurl.com/zdlrf Rex Dieter and I both have a one sentence quote. I love the fact that an hour long interview yielded one sentence. :-P -- Max Spevack + http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/mspevack.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 22:38:19 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:38:19 -0400 Subject: fedora mentioned in Information Week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270606081538l13401210k556fc35d55bcf236@mail.gmail.com> Max, Mind posting link to this article on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive ? Thanks, a On 6/8/06, Max Spevack wrote: > http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=187202790 > or > http://tinyurl.com/zdlrf > > Rex Dieter and I both have a one sentence quote. I love the fact that an > hour long interview yielded one sentence. :-P > > -- > Max Spevack > + http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ > + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/mspevack.asc > + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From bryan at zoinkz.com Fri Jun 9 01:33:01 2006 From: bryan at zoinkz.com (Bryan Elliott) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:33:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> <44877828.9030705@zoinkz.com> Message-ID: <4488CFCD.2070304@zoinkz.com> Max Spevack wrote: >>> That being said I believe that to a new user the fedora.redhat.com site >>> is a lot less intimidating that the fedoraproject.org site. Again these >>> are just my ideals for what they are worth. >> >> Yeah, I agree, and it's part of the difference between small informative >> sites and wikis. > > I think what we need to do is clean up the front page of the wiki a > little bit, and then we can more easily serve both crowds. First > impression is one of organization and a "professional" face, but when > you start to dig in, you see all the wiki goodness. > > --Max > I would agree with that. You have to have a good first impression or you intended audience is never going to dig in to the site to see what you have to offer. It don't matter what you're doing it is very hard to make up for a bad first impression. In a lot of cases you will not have the opportunity to. Bryan Elliott From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Jun 9 16:04:54 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:04:54 -0700 Subject: FudCon SF and code sprints? Message-ID: <1149869094.3214.10.camel@localhost> Hi guys, Just read Max's blog post saying code sprints might be in the future for FUDCon. I haven't seen any discussion about FUDCon here even though marketing-list is the contact listed on the wiki page[1]_ so just wanted to checkin. Is FUDCon SF on the roadmap? Will we be trying to hold sprints there? Is finding a venue holding up the whole process? I've blocked out August 18th on my calendar already. I don't have anything interesting to talk about but I would definitely participate in sprints, help out with "Packaging and Reviewing for the New Extras Developer Workshop", or anything similar. -Toshio _[1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConSanFrancsico2006 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have > anything interesting to talk about but I would definitely participate in > sprints, help out with "Packaging and Reviewing for the New Extras > Developer Workshop", or anything similar. > > -Toshio > > _[1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConSanFrancsico2006 Hi Toshio, We've already begun discussing the event in the Fedora Ambassadors Meetings and hopefully we'll be hearing some news in the next few days. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Jun 9 23:23:04 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:23:04 -0700 Subject: FudCon SF and code sprints? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0606091059o6a9b862ha0d3ff528e798a0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1149869094.3214.10.camel@localhost> <369bce3b0606091059o6a9b862ha0d3ff528e798a0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149895385.3214.17.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 10:59 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hi Toshio, > We've already begun discussing the event in the Fedora Ambassadors > Meetings and hopefully we'll be hearing some news in the next few > days. Thanks Thomas, I'll stay tuned and look for ways to help. -Toshio From suser.koolinus at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 13:04:51 2006 From: suser.koolinus at gmail.com (nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:04:51 +0200 Subject: Fedora web site. The "I'm feeling lucky" test. In-Reply-To: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> References: <1149675443.12950.35.camel@dragon.valuecommerce.ne.jp> Message-ID: <1149944691.6520.23.camel@localhost> Hi list, on the wiki aspect of the Official Fedora site has to be given a serious thinking. I am coming from 6 months experience with openSUSE site, which is a wiki driven one, and it's been difficoult to introduce and "keep up" running many aspects of it. Still i don't have understood completely the relations (legal and commercial ones, at least) that we have between www.redhat.com -> http://fedora.redhat.com -> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ When the roles are clearly defined we can successfully manage the last 2, and decide on localization in a way to gather local teams effectively. I find the Ubuntulinux.org site as an illuminating example to look at. To me they've started from the beginning as a wiki but with a core team being in control of the overall design, the core info, the official announcements and the "official doc". Then there was a part given to choosen people which coordinates reasonable portion of it and the contribution that began to come in. For the local sites i can take here the italian example, some started a local wiki, with our own logo and color palette. Then two or three prominent contributors became "the" local Lo-Co team reference for italy to deal with the core group. It has been stated that the local site had to look more and more similar to the Official one, and there is going some (controlled) interaction on what happens to Ubuntu-Forum and the wiki. This way of proceeding has revealed to be successfull (look at the number of arguments in both ubuntu forums/wiki). The openSUSE experience was, for me - obviously, a bit frustrating since there was and already strong but crystalized community around SUSE and the openSUSE site has lacked to gather enough momentum around himself (again too many times I've read "we're waiting for a Novell answer / solution / whatever). That will be also the answer for Fedora ? I hope not, since i've joined you again on the core 5 release (and the discovery of the fedoraproject wiki). To summon up. Maybe now with fedoraproject.org growing we should think about the roles of "the wiki" and of "the site". The latter of which, for me, is at the moment fedora.redhat.com. Hope not being dull or boring. If so, excuse me, please. Ciao -- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com http://www.koolinus.net "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." Linux Registered User #293182 From suser.koolinus at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 13:15:53 2006 From: suser.koolinus at gmail.com (nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:15:53 +0200 Subject: Providing patched DVDs to potential users In-Reply-To: <183d138b0605301739y23e904f6uc55bff5d3f350c73@mail.gmail.com> References: <183d138b0605301739y23e904f6uc55bff5d3f350c73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149945353.6520.33.camel@localhost> Il giorno mer, 31/05/2006 alle 10.39 +1000, Rob Garth ha scritto: > A generic install of FC5 requires hundreds of megs of patches once > installed, a particular frustration of mine, and I am sure it doesn't > leave a good taste in the mouth of people trying out Fedora for the > first time. Just last week i had the occasion to try out the Fedora Unity Re-Spin of FC5 for the i386 architecture [1]. {yes, i am a curious chimp}. It was downloaded fast, nearly as a regular FC torrent. The ISO was build on 23rd of May and announced around the 31st of the same month. But still, after a clean install, workstation + software develpment profile kind of installation, i had to install 227MB of updates. So for a home 56k user it still is useless, while for an *DSL one between 227 or 400 there's no big difference, just a bunch of minutes. Also, the 6 months release cicle is quite fast, so I don't feel this urge of re-mastered ISO. Maybe we should look (instead) to something near "patch.rpm" ... like the old SUSE way of distribution of core and security updates, to decrease the amount of bandwidht needed to run a (up 2 date) Linux box. Ciao, -nicola [1] http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/unity-respin5-20060523 -- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com http://www.koolinus.net "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." Linux Registered User #293182 From rgarth at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 13:42:34 2006 From: rgarth at gmail.com (Rob Garth) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:42:34 +1000 Subject: Providing patched DVDs to potential users In-Reply-To: <1149945353.6520.33.camel@localhost> References: <183d138b0605301739y23e904f6uc55bff5d3f350c73@mail.gmail.com> <1149945353.6520.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <183d138b0606100642m7493541q9e720162bdd095fd@mail.gmail.com> For the bandwidth concious, a network install will always be the better option, unless someone is willing to send/give them a respin, or they can purchase one, and it will never eliminate the need for patches. I would like to see a subscription system where users are sent a monthly dvd of patches, and a 'yum localupdate' would update them. It could be charged simply to cover costs, or profits could be fed back into the project. However, as Fedora Unity is not an official part of the Fedora Project I cannot imagine Fedora ever doing anything like this. Though of course under the GPL there is nothing stopping anyone else doing this. On 6/10/06, nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito wrote: > Il giorno mer, 31/05/2006 alle 10.39 +1000, Rob Garth ha scritto: > > A generic install of FC5 requires hundreds of megs of patches once > > installed, a particular frustration of mine, and I am sure it doesn't > > leave a good taste in the mouth of people trying out Fedora for the > > first time. > > Just last week i had the occasion to try out the Fedora Unity Re-Spin of > FC5 for the i386 architecture [1]. {yes, i am a curious chimp}. > > It was downloaded fast, nearly as a regular FC torrent. > > The ISO was build on 23rd of May and announced around the 31st of the > same month. But still, after a clean install, workstation + software > develpment profile kind of installation, i had to install 227MB of > updates. > > So for a home 56k user it still is useless, while for an *DSL one > between 227 or 400 there's no big difference, just a bunch of minutes. > > Also, the 6 months release cicle is quite fast, so I don't feel this > urge of re-mastered ISO. Maybe we should look (instead) to something > near "patch.rpm" ... like the old SUSE way of distribution of core and > security updates, to decrease the amount of bandwidht needed to run a > (up 2 date) Linux box. > > Ciao, > -nicola > > [1] http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/unity-respin5-20060523 > -- > nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito > http://koolinus.wordpress.com http://www.koolinus.net > > "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." > Linux Registered User #293182 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From suser.koolinus at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 13:52:01 2006 From: suser.koolinus at gmail.com (nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:52:01 +0200 Subject: Providing patched DVDs to potential users In-Reply-To: <183d138b0606100642m7493541q9e720162bdd095fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <183d138b0605301739y23e904f6uc55bff5d3f350c73@mail.gmail.com> <1149945353.6520.33.camel@localhost> <183d138b0606100642m7493541q9e720162bdd095fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149947521.6520.39.camel@localhost> Il giorno sab, 10/06/2006 alle 23.42 +1000, Rob Garth ha scritto: > However, as Fedora Unity is not an official part of the Fedora Project > I cannot imagine Fedora ever doing anything like this. Though of > course under the GPL there is nothing stopping anyone else doing this. Before someone gets me wrong I am not against their project, I questions it's effective utility to what i think is a large part of our operating system distribution. On the "subscription system" ... i can "smell" the M$ memories i have. But having some periodical "patches" dvd released could be a nice idea. An "ambassador" with a fast line can download it and spread it via snail-mail, LUG encounters, conferences around and so on. Also Linux magazines could distribute them. I like this idea Rob. Ciao, -nicola -- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com http://www.koolinus.net "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." Linux Registered User #293182 From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 16 21:16:56 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: pictures of folks using fedora, gnome Message-ID: So jdub on #fedora-extras pointed me to his blog, where he's looking to collect pictures of people using Gnome. Seeing as gnome is the default in Fedora, it's likely that there's a bunch of people out there who have some nice photos. If you have any that you can link to, surf on over to his blog and help him out. http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/06/16/gnome-lovers-loving-gnome/ --Max -- Max Spevack + http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/mspevack.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From n.losito at yahoo.it Fri Jun 16 23:10:03 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (nicola -kOoLiNuS- losito) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:10:03 +0200 Subject: pictures of folks using fedora, gnome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150499403.2421.4.camel@ierofante> Il giorno ven, 16/06/2006 alle 17.16 -0400, Max Spevack ha scritto: > So jdub on #fedora-extras pointed me to his blog, where he's looking to > collect pictures of people using Gnome. Seeing as gnome is the default in > Fedora, it's likely that there's a bunch of people out there who have some > nice photos. I would like to remember the exitence of Fedora Linux group on Flickr: - http://koolinus.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/fedora-at-flickr/ - http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora/ i have read somewhere yesterday that there will be a "new" policy on screenshots by Flickr, so when i'll get info on this i'll keep you updated. -- nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 17 07:08:11 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:08:11 +0200 Subject: pictures of folks using fedora, gnome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0606170008n147c3ee8k9c9a0f8ef3bbaace@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/06, Max Spevack wrote: > Seeing as gnome is the default in > Fedora, it's likely that there's a bunch of people out there who have some > nice photos. On 6/17/06, nicola -kOoLiNuS- losito wrote: > I would like to remember the exitence of Fedora Linux group on Flickr: > - http://koolinus.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/fedora-at-flickr/ > - http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora/ I would like to remind those who are using KDE, you can dropped your screenshots are "Fedora Linux" Group at Flickr. Some of us have already started using the Fedora Group at Flickr which was created by Nicolas Losito alias Koolinus. > i have read somewhere yesterday that there will be a "new" policy on > screenshots by Flickr, so when i'll get info on this i'll keep you > updated. We have to take this seriously ! -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Jun 17 08:52:48 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:52:48 -0500 Subject: pictures of folks using fedora, gnome In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0606170008n147c3ee8k9c9a0f8ef3bbaace@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606170008n147c3ee8k9c9a0f8ef3bbaace@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606170352.55560.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 17 June 2006 02:08, "Chitlesh GOORAH" wrote: > > I would like to remember the exitence of Fedora Linux group on Flickr: > > - http://koolinus.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/fedora-at-flickr/ > > - http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora/ > > I would like to remind those who are using KDE, you can dropped your > screenshots are "Fedora Linux" Group at Flickr. > > Some of us have already started using the Fedora Group at Flickr which > was created by Nicolas Losito alias Koolinus. > > > i have read somewhere yesterday that there will be a "new" policy on > > screenshots by Flickr, so when i'll get info on this i'll keep you > > updated. > > We have to take this seriously ! It's not a new policy. Flickr already prohibits accounts that are oriented around screenshots. They want the site focused on photographic artwork. They have been actively terminating accounts that are primarily screenshots, so you might want to start looking for another place to hosts Fedora screenshots. There are plenty of sites out there that could do the job. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are a few of us posting images to deviantArt, but I guess nobody with enough time to maintain a community. See for example: http://search.deviantart.com/searchcraft/?cmd=1&offset=0&search=fedora+linux From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 23:26:46 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:26:46 -0400 Subject: Open Video Contest: please distribute! Message-ID: <7f617d270606191626t13f4a6c3k491a9c69ee36eff@mail.gmail.com> Folks, This just went on the wire. Please distribute as you see fit. A PDF version attached. Cheers, a CREATIVE COMMONS ANNOUNCES OPEN VIDEO CONTEST WITH THE FEDORA PROJECT San Francisco, USA - June 20, 2006 Creative Commons and the Fedora Project are pleased to announce the Open Video Contest taking place now. The contest promotes flexible copyright, open media formats and the Fedora Project. Entries must be 30 seconds or less, in OGG Theora format, promote freedom and openness, and be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license. Visit http://creativecommons.org/video/openvideocontest/ before July 20, 2006 to enter. The contest will be judged by representatives of the Fedora Project and Red Hat, Creative Commons jurisdiction leads from Brazil, Nigeria, and Poland, and a representative of the Wikimedia Foundation Special Projects Committee. "This contest spreads the message that a combination of open licensing, open formats and open source software gives creators, consumers, and developers infinite freedom" says Alex Maier, Chair of Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee. About OGG Theora Theora is an open, royalty-free video codec developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of the Ogg multimedia framework. Theora is released to the public under a BSD-style open source software license, completely free for commercial or noncommercial use. For more information about Theora visit http://theora.org. About the Fedora Project The Fedora Project is a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project. The goal? Work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software. Public forum. Rapid progress. Open process. A proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products. Fedora Core is an operating system and platform, based on Linux, that is always free for anyone to use, modify and distribute, now and forever. It is developed by a large community of people who strive to provide and maintain the very best in free, open source software and standards. About Creative Commons Creative Commons is a nonprofit organization that promotes the creative re-use of intellectual and artistic works ? whether owned or in the public domain. 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Name: CC_Fedora_PR062006.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 121416 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 20 19:01:28 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:01:28 +0200 Subject: MLUG Event Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Since Frederik posts, before, Ill take this example. First I congratulate Thomas Chung, he deserved to be vice president. At the same time, I would like to cancel my 80 DVDs for MLUG which I ordered , since I already have some left. The Event is a mere simple LUG meeting in Mauritius, but It will be my first meeting as a Fedora Ambassador. So both my girlfriend and I seized the opportunity to talk about the OpenSource projects: she: Kubuntu since she is in the German Kubuntu team and I about the Fedora Project. However, Ill be flying to Mauritius with the DVDs. I dont want to get into problems with the customs, is there something similar to this http://www.ubuntu.com/include/docs/ShipItGenericCustomsLetter.pdf ? If I can have a Fedora sample of it before 9 of July it will be cool :) Concerning my presentation, Ill rather stress on * How and why people contribute to Fedora Project * Fedora Projects * Kadischi Sorry for not being able to report this before during ambassadors meetings. Reason: Exams. Yet I think Its time to strike Kadischi off from the Ambassador/Schedule. Its not part of marketing :) About Kadischi, things start to shake up in its Mailing List :) Cheers, Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 20 20:33:34 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0606201333k50aa0823i3b4d6bd82071c9d7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Since Frederik posts, before, Ill take this example. > > First I congratulate Thomas Chung, he deserved to be vice president. > At the same time, I would like to cancel my 80 DVDs for MLUG which I > ordered , since I already have some left. It's vice chair for fasmco. :) Ok. thank you for letting us know about the DVD request. > The Event is a mere simple LUG meeting in Mauritius, but It will be my > first meeting as a Fedora Ambassador. good luck to you. > However, Ill be flying to Mauritius with the DVDs. I dont want to get > into problems with the customs, is there something similar to this > http://www.ubuntu.com/include/docs/ShipItGenericCustomsLetter.pdf ? sorry, we don't have one on our site but I'm sure you can get a custom form your postal service. make sure to declare it as "Gift" :) > Sorry for not being able to report this before during ambassadors meetings. > Reason: Exams. I understand. ThomasCanniot told us about your exam in the last meeting. > Yet I think Its time to strike Kadischi off from the > Ambassador/Schedule. Its not part of marketing :) Ok. it's been removed. > About Kadischi, things start to shake up in its Mailing List :) I hear good thing about it. Keep up the good work! Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 20:37:23 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:37:23 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> We do not have such a letter, but I guess I could produce one for you--since I'm here at the "source" of it all :) Give me a few and I'll be back to you. a On 6/20/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Since Frederik posts, before, Ill take this example. > > First I congratulate Thomas Chung, he deserved to be vice president. > At the same time, I would like to cancel my 80 DVDs for MLUG which I > ordered , since I already have some left. > > The Event is a mere simple LUG meeting in Mauritius, but It will be my > first meeting as a Fedora Ambassador. > > So both my girlfriend and I seized the opportunity to talk about the > OpenSource projects: > she: Kubuntu since she is in the German Kubuntu team > and I about the Fedora Project. > > However, Ill be flying to Mauritius with the DVDs. I dont want to get > into problems with the customs, is there something similar to this > http://www.ubuntu.com/include/docs/ShipItGenericCustomsLetter.pdf ? > > If I can have a Fedora sample of it before 9 of July it will be cool :) > > Concerning my presentation, Ill rather stress on > * How and why people contribute to Fedora Project > * Fedora Projects > * Kadischi > > Sorry for not being able to report this before during ambassadors meetings. > Reason: Exams. > > Yet I think Its time to strike Kadischi off from the > Ambassador/Schedule. Its not part of marketing :) > > About Kadischi, things start to shake up in its Mailing List :) > > Cheers, > Chitlesh Goorah > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 20 20:58:57 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:28:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 16:37 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > We do not have such a letter, but I guess I could produce one for > you--since I'm here at the "source" of it all :) > > Give me a few and I'll be back to you. > a Would be good to standardise a format and have a editable format and a PDF file or so in the wiki. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 20 21:06:28 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:06:28 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0606201406v46e8b4f2k6355b25f94e51f63@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Would be good to standardise a format and have a editable format and a > PDF file or so in the wiki. > +1 It would be much better. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 21:30:23 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:30:23 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270606201430nb678fbbx63667c1a7cdbcef0@mail.gmail.com> I don't know about the editable format--the whole "beauty" and strength of this letter is that it will have a live Red Hatter behind it, and that the customs folks will be able to get in touch with this person if they have questions. If we would have this letter editable, we could not guarantee that it would always be edited and used properly. Even though I have no doubt about the good intentions of the people on this list, I would not trust that much to the rest of the world, who all could easily download the letter off of our wiki. Cheers, a On 6/20/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 16:37 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > > We do not have such a letter, but I guess I could produce one for > > you--since I'm here at the "source" of it all :) > > > > Give me a few and I'll be back to you. > > a > > Would be good to standardise a format and have a editable format and a > PDF file or so in the wiki. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 20 21:35:27 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:35:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <7f617d270606201430nb678fbbx63667c1a7cdbcef0@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606201337l22123220wb7061fa1f406d04@mail.gmail.com> <1150837137.20056.61.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <7f617d270606201430nb678fbbx63667c1a7cdbcef0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0606201435l5341a439if7404cf4bc5d9b81@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Alex Maier wrote: > I don't know about the editable format--the whole "beauty" and > strength of this letter is that it will have a live Red Hatter behind > it, and that the customs folks will be able to get in touch with this > person if they have questions. > > If we would have this letter editable, we could not guarantee that it > would always be edited and used properly. Even though I have no doubt > about the good intentions of the people on this list, I would not > trust that much to the rest of the world, who all could easily > download the letter off of our wiki. What would be nice is that on the FAMSCo member possesses the editable format and when someone requests for that letter, he/she enters the quantity and post it to list so that it remains transparent to everyone. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 19:47:04 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> Here is a standard letter you can use ONLY to import original Fedora DVDs. DO NOT modify it in any way, or use with anything else than Fedora DVDs which are intended for free distribution. Each time you intend to use the letter, alert me, as I am the contact on the letter and will not help if I do not know you are using it. Things I will need to know so I can confirm with the customs that all is legal: - Your name and email address (full legal name) - Country of export (where you are sending/transporting the media from) - Country of import (where the media is going) - Purpose of import (what do you need the DVDs/CDs for) You MUST give the DVDs away for free. If you intend to collect money for them, you CANNOT use this letter! Thanks, a On 6/20/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Since Frederik posts, before, Ill take this example. > > First I congratulate Thomas Chung, he deserved to be vice president. > At the same time, I would like to cancel my 80 DVDs for MLUG which I > ordered , since I already have some left. > > The Event is a mere simple LUG meeting in Mauritius, but It will be my > first meeting as a Fedora Ambassador. > > So both my girlfriend and I seized the opportunity to talk about the > OpenSource projects: > she: Kubuntu since she is in the German Kubuntu team > and I about the Fedora Project. > > However, Ill be flying to Mauritius with the DVDs. I dont want to get > into problems with the customs, is there something similar to this > http://www.ubuntu.com/include/docs/ShipItGenericCustomsLetter.pdf ? > > If I can have a Fedora sample of it before 9 of July it will be cool :) > > Concerning my presentation, Ill rather stress on > * How and why people contribute to Fedora Project > * Fedora Projects > * Kadischi > > Sorry for not being able to report this before during ambassadors meetings. > Reason: Exams. > > Yet I think Its time to strike Kadischi off from the > Ambassador/Schedule. Its not part of marketing :) > > About Kadischi, things start to shake up in its Mailing List :) > > Cheers, > Chitlesh Goorah > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you intend to collect money > for them, you CANNOT use this letter! > > Thanks, > a The custom letter usage and PDF document has been posted at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CustomLetter Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 22 08:35:39 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:35:39 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: MLUG Event In-Reply-To: <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0606201201j66023090wd7bac01b2b8db62c@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270606211247p3a6abff9m1d1efb8cd643422c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0606220135i4e829349v99a0c39b0645a48@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Here is a standard letter you can use ONLY to import original Fedora DVDs. Ok, Let's be transparent. > DO NOT modify it in any way, or use with anything else than Fedora > DVDs which are intended for free distribution. I accept. > Each time you intend to use the letter, alert me, as I am the contact > on the letter and will not help if I do not know you are using it. Ok. > Things I will need to know so I can confirm with the customs that all is legal: > - Your name and email address (full legal name) Chitlesh GOORAH chitlesh at fedoraproject dot org > - Country of export (where you are sending/transporting the media from) Frankfurt, Germany > - Country of import (where the media is going) Plaisance, Mauritius > - Purpose of import (what do you need the DVDs/CDs for) I'm using it for the event MLUG. > You MUST give the DVDs away for free. If you intend to collect money > for them, you CANNOT use this letter! Ok, I accept. IT MAY happen that Ill be returning to Frankfurt with the rest of the Fedora DVDs. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 23 19:02:31 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] first fc6-test1 article Message-ID: Wanted to point you folks at this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=499 I've already added it to our Marketing/PressArchive page. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jun 23 20:17:56 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] first fc6-test1 article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449C4C74.6090603@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Max Spevack escribi?: > Wanted to point you folks at this: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=499 > > I've already added it to our Marketing/PressArchive page. > > --Max > Interesting... I'm playing with Core 6T1 ATM and it certainly is shaping up nicely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnEx0XM+XOp70dwoRAgkYAKCRX130rRBBnBsoWD5vBzYFRQOXuQCgmAPw Q83vLsD/znLgpz2hg2qrzD0= =EDPY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 24 13:59:34 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:59:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora T-shirts Message-ID: <1151157574.4133.4.camel@redhat> Hi, I have some "strange" question to you. I am planning to book a large amount of Fedora T-shirts for future events at a local vendor but I am not sure in what way is the design on made on it. If anybody has the T- shirt, could you please tell me whether the Fedora logo is embedded or just printed? I would like it to be as beautiful as in Red Hat store, bud I have to know the design making technology ;) Regards, Pawel Sadowski