From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 18:44:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:14:28 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour Message-ID: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Hi What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview in the release notes (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. Anyone wants to take a grab at this? -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:56:43 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:56:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to support Flash out of the box, isn't it? a On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview > in the release notes > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp > the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core > 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic > finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so > for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. > > Anyone wants to take a grab at this? > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:59:43 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:59:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141239583.20897.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview > in the release notes > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp > the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core > 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic > finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so > for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. > > Anyone wants to take a grab at this? Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:14:02 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:44:02 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141239583.20897.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141239583.20897.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4405F27A.70700@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview >>in the release notes >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp >>the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core >>5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic >>finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so >>for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. >> >>Anyone wants to take a grab at this? >> >> > >Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10? > Byzanz which is also part of Fedora Extras is available and it can be used instead to produce a animated GIF file instead of a OGG theora movie. Check the reference in the screencasting document above. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:16:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:46:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> Alex Maier wrote: >Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to >support Flash out of the box, isn't it? >a > > No it doesnt and it cant. The screencasting document explains why. -- Rahul From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 19:26:27 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora. Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir. --jeremy On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > > >Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to > >support Flash out of the box, isn't it? > >a > > > > > No it doesnt and it cant. The screencasting document explains why. > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:30:19 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:00:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405F64B.4060208@fedoraproject.org> Jeremy Hogan wrote: >We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora >users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a >lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing >something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora. > >Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir. > >--jeremy > Use byzanz and produce a animated GIF. That should be viewable in any operating system out of the box. Ogg codecs play well in WinAmp 5+ in Windows and Direct codecs for Windows Media player and others are available at http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:31:23 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:01:23 +0530 Subject: FUDCon Delhi 2006 Message-ID: <4405F68B.1070309@fedoraproject.org> Hi Here is all you ever wanted. Presentations, reports, pictures. You name it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006 -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 19:32:30 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora > users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a > lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing > something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora. > > Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir. +1 my reasoning exactly Why animated GIF is less preferable: quality loss in images will be huge, and no sound can be integrated. And yes, did I mention that this animation will not be in any way interactive? a From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 19:33:15 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:33:15 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Delhi 2006 In-Reply-To: <4405F68B.1070309@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405F68B.1070309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603011133p675532b2lb605d04deb00ee1f@mail.gmail.com> You Freakin' Rock Rahul! Thanks to everyone who helped make this happen! a On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Here is all you ever wanted. Presentations, reports, pictures. You name it. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006 > > > -- > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:34:18 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:04:18 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> Alex Maier wrote: >On 3/1/06, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > > >>We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora >>users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a >>lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing >>something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora. >> >>Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir. >> >> > >+1 > >my reasoning exactly > >Why animated GIF is less preferable: quality loss in images will be >huge, and no sound can be integrated. And yes, did I mention that this >animation will not be in any way interactive? >a > > Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? -- Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 20:01:19 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:01:19 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603011201s26631729h78a4755254b99eaa@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or > GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? I think we are in process of looking for a volunteer... Anyone? If /me were technical enough and had the right tools, I'd take a crack at it, but sorry I can't oblige here. a From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 20:04:43 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:04:43 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <556f970a0603011204j1b804eerd6958c56ae3e5ac@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or > GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? I'm happy to convert the Oggs as they are completed. That way it's consistent and there's always an Ogg before or even if there's a Flash. It's much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway. --jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 20:07:19 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:37:19 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <556f970a0603011204j1b804eerd6958c56ae3e5ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011204j1b804eerd6958c56ae3e5ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405FEF7.1080307@fedoraproject.org> Jeremy Hogan wrote: >On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or >>GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? >> >> > > >I'm happy to convert the Oggs as they are completed. That way it's >consistent and there's always an Ogg before or even if there's a Flash. It's >much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway. > >--jeremy > > What is the procedure to do such conversions? Can you document these steps or refer to links so that more than one person can work on these as a team? -- Rahul From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Wed Mar 1 19:41:59 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:41:59 -0600 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141242119.3166.29.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview > in the release notes > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp > the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core > 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic > finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so > for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. > > Anyone wants to take a grab at this? > Remember that when creating such items we should be following the documentation guidelines for things like screen shots and captures. I heard on the Wiki Tour there were some screen shots that had items on the desktop that did not follow these, something about a gdesklets weather applet I have not checked it out yet. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's >> much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway. >> >> --jeremy >> >> > What is the procedure to do such conversions? Can you document these > steps or refer to links so that more than one person can work on these > as a team? > and there are several Ogg theora movies which can act as guinea pigs and might benefit from a Flash alternative. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 20:19:50 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:50 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) We got this bug filed against the Tour: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a loss of credibility in our tour. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 20:22:36 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:52:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4406028C.4000406@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >> >> > >We got this bug filed against the Tour: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 > >The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. >Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing >an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a >loss of credibility in our tour. > > If we have guidelines on this written down already, then link to it from the tours page for reference. I only used a default desktop for the screenshots I uploaded but others might not have followed the same rules. -- Rahul From notting at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 22:14:01 2006 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:14:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Karsten Wade (kwade at redhat.com) said: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) > > We got this bug filed against the Tour: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour', and include other Fedora software that way. Bill From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 22:17:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:47:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44061D97.1080700@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Karsten Wade (kwade at redhat.com) said: > > >>On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> >>>Hi >>> >>>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >>> >>> >>We got this bug filed against the Tour: >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 >> >> > >Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour', >and include other Fedora software that way. > >Bill > Ya but we want two different things. A general Fedora tour for everyone and a release specific tour for users who want to know what has changed. The latter can be thought of a more non technical version of the release notes. -- Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 23:08:19 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:08:19 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060301225812.M97366@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:04:18 0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or > GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? This bring me another point. Since we're *primary* targeting Windows users, is it acceptable to produce video format for windows users? For example, I've been using VMWare workstation to capture videos in AVI format. I have no problem converting to OGG format for Linux users but it would be also beneficial if we upload AVI format for Windows users as well. The only problem I noticed with this video format (VMware video aka VMnc codec), you might need to install "VMware Movie Decoder Utility" for windows from: http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/ Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 23:13:11 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:43:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <20060301225812.M97366@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> <20060301225812.M97366@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44062A87.3090506@fedoraproject.org> Thomas Chung wrote: >On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:04:18 0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > > >>Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or >>GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it? >> >> > >This bring me another point. > >Since we're *primary* targeting Windows users, is it acceptable to produce video format >for windows users? > > It would be nice to have formats or containers such as flash or AVI targeting Windows users as long as there are alternative media which plays out of the box in Fedora and is producible using a Fedora toolchain. -- Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 23:40:59 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:40:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141239583.20897.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141239583.20897.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910603011540u6e9be507x2b6988640255c60f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10? the important functionality which istanbul accomplishes can be done via the cmdline with gstreamer cmdline tools if there is a need as long as you have the gst 0.8.12 on your system. gst 0.8.12 is finally available in fc4 updates-testing so don't even technically need anything from core-development or extras to get-er-done on fc4. You can use gst-launch and build a shell scriptable command to do the screen capture to a raw file.. then another gst-launch command to re-encode it to ogg... mimicing what istanbul wraps into UI gloss. For development/FC5, the gst08 cmdline tools will most likely be back into Extras in time for fc5 release, even if istanbul doesn't get rebuilt in time. Oh and if you are really really clever.. you can do a gst-launch command that records audio at the same time as its capturing the screen.. something istanbul doesn't do yet. -jef From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 23:52:28 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:52:28 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <44062A87.3090506@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0603011126t5aa6fef6s2e19026c9331c534@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603011132l1838b1e1x2c2629db3dab73b2@mail.gmail.com> <4405F73A.5000209@fedoraproject.org> <20060301225812.M97366@fedoraproject.org> <44062A87.3090506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060301235134.M99692@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:43:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote > It would be nice to have formats or containers such as flash or AVI > targeting Windows users as long as there are alternative media which > plays out of the box in Fedora and is producible using a Fedora toolchain. Excellet, I'll upload the original AVI format as well. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 09:45:24 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:15:24 +0530 Subject: LWN: Creating a Live CD with Kadischi Message-ID: <4406BEB4.10307@fedoraproject.org> Hi Looks like we still need to polish some rough edges. Lets tackle this and produce some good live CD's for Fedora Core 5 and followup with fixes in the tool so that everybody can produce their own custom Fedora Live CD's/DVD's too. http://lwn.net/Articles/172840/ -- Rahul From luya at jpopmail.com Thu Mar 2 19:17:19 2006 From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:17:19 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour Message-ID: <20060302191719.A9735CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> I am working on images and setting them to 800x600 instead of 1024x768. I will add description for each presentation. They shoud be ready before March 15. Any one can correct mistake inside presentation. Luya Tshimbalanga > Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> Hi >> >> What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) > > We got this bug filed against the Tour: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 > > The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. > Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing > an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a > loss of credibility in our tour. > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from [protocol]://mail.jp.popstarmail.org From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Mar 9 06:07:38 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:07:38 -0300 Subject: Translation Project In-Reply-To: <20060302191719.A9735CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060302191719.A9735CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <440FC62A.9070808@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Fedora Translation Project was not cited in: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFED8YqPg3HAC1vlg4RAmBuAKCYe+vORNxSOYC1VokbY4ig6OFmmQCguBOT t3AUv4Z7llwQbB/0KOGuHPA= =seNr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 06:28:02 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:28:02 -0800 Subject: Translation Project In-Reply-To: <440FC62A.9070808@projetofedora.org> References: <20060302191719.A9735CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> <440FC62A.9070808@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1141885682.3391.91.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 03:07 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The Fedora Translation Project was not cited in: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain Where would you link to? I'm guessing you are talking about the list of Projects at the end of that page. What is the active Fedora Translation Project page? http://fedora.redhat.com/About/Projects/translations/ ? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Em Qua, 2006-03-08 ?s 22:28 -0800, Karsten Wade escreveu: > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 03:07 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > The Fedora Translation Project was not cited in: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain > > Where would you link to? > > I'm guessing you are talking about the list of Projects at the end of > that page. > > What is the active Fedora Translation Project page? > > http://fedora.redhat.com/About/Projects/translations/ ? > > - Karsten > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 07:13:55 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:43:55 +0530 Subject: Translation Project In-Reply-To: <440FC62A.9070808@projetofedora.org> References: <20060302191719.A9735CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> <440FC62A.9070808@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <440FD5B3.3050800@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >The Fedora Translation Project was not cited in: > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain > We are in the process of moving into a CMS system soon (http://fpserv.fedoraproject.org/) after which the web interface needs to be redesigned. You can track the changes and contribute through the fedora-websites list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -- Rahul From pjones at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 19:34:48 2006 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:34:48 -0500 Subject: informal relationships map In-Reply-To: <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141932889.29005.14.camel@vroomfondel.internal.datastacks.com> On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:20 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Actually, if we define Fedora as a true meritocracy, we will be able > to establish the leaders of the project this way. That's all well and good, except it's clearly not a "true meritocracy". At best the structure is defined by reputation based on historical merit, although that's still not a very realistic assessment. There are a lot of facets to the project, and who its leaders are depend on which facet you're looking at. For instance, gdk is clearly one of our leaders in many senses, and for good reasons, but he doesn't contribute a wealth of code. At the same time, there are quite a few people who contribute significant amounts of code but have relatively low visibility. These people are also our leaders. Defining Fedora as a meritocracy really only allows for one of those classes to be leaders, unless you take the most vague sense of "merit" possible, which seriously undermines the point of trying to categorize what sort of organization we are. The term is basically a convenient fiction to gloss over real introspection. Also, top posting is one of the many roots of much human suffering. Just a thought. -- Peter From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 08:44:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:14:59 +0530 Subject: informal relationships map In-Reply-To: <1141932889.29005.14.camel@vroomfondel.internal.datastacks.com> References: <1141158590.26154.40.camel@erato.phig.org> <7f617d270602281320w788c476exe0c7296b088ec9b4@mail.gmail.com> <1141932889.29005.14.camel@vroomfondel.internal.datastacks.com> Message-ID: <44113C8B.6030209@fedoraproject.org> Peter Jones wrote: >On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:20 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > >>Actually, if we define Fedora as a true meritocracy, we will be able >>to establish the leaders of the project this way. >> >> > >That's all well and good, except it's clearly not a "true meritocracy". >At best the structure is defined by reputation based on historical >merit, although that's still not a very realistic assessment. > >There are a lot of facets to the project, and who its leaders are depend >on which facet you're looking at. For instance, gdk is clearly one of >our leaders in many senses, and for good reasons, but he doesn't >contribute a wealth of code. At the same time, there are quite a few >people who contribute significant amounts of code but have relatively >low visibility. These people are also our leaders. > >Defining Fedora as a meritocracy really only allows for one of those >classes to be leaders, unless you take the most vague sense of "merit" >possible, which seriously undermines the point of trying to categorize >what sort of organization we are. The term is basically a convenient >fiction to gloss over real introspection. > >Also, top posting is one of the many roots of much human suffering. >Just a thought. > > I am not sure if everyone here read Elliot Lee's take on the subject. http://www.redhat.com/magazine/016feb06/features/meritocracy/. Obviously there are multiple facets to the project which provides enough scope for some interesting water cooler chat. Anyone who contributes to the project regardless of the nature of it (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted) gets merit but letting everyone set the direction would only result in anarchy and we might not be able to sustain the project without a rigorous sense of direction. -- Rahul From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 10 22:15:19 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:15:19 -0600 Subject: Marketing call to action. Message-ID: <1142028919.2682.88.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Hi All, Sorry I am cross posting this between the marketing list and ambassadors list. Please reply on the marketing list if you would. I am of the opinion that the marketing project has been allowed to die and be carelessly replaced by the Ambassadors project that was born from the marketing project. I see that we can do things several ways. We can continue on ignoring the Fedora community posting requests for input to the private ambassadors list that a small number will ever see or we can be sure to become active in the marketing list involving the community as a whole in how Fedora is marketed. Why have the private list? The privacy of the Ambassadors list has a purpose and should be maintained in my opinion. One of the things it was designed to do is help protect the limited advertising resources of the Foundation by preventing the pilfering of media and other goodies like t-shirts. However much of the "noise" on this list in the past could have been better with community input from the marketing list. What can the marketing list bring that the ambassadors can not? The marketing list can bring greater visibility from the community by being a public sounding board for ideas. Many of these ideas can be hashed out in public, refined in private and still have the "splash" that may be desired. I would urge all ambassadors to be part of the greater marketing list and also to avoid cross posting of information between the lists unless it is absolutely needed. Fedora is a community driven project, in fact community may very well be the most important part of Fedora. If the Ambassadors are to take over all the marketing in private we are in my opinion destined for failure. We will have removed the community from the drivers seat and made it a second class passenger. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:26:37 -0500 Subject: Fedora in Numbers In-Reply-To: <441300CD.4020705@projetofedora.org> References: <441300CD.4020705@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1142177197.2697.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 13:54 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have some questions.... > > - - How many packages? > - --> > - - How many using? > - --> > - - How many desenvolvedores? > - --> > - - How many translating? > - --> > - - Other collaborators? > - --> > - - How many packages we have in the Fedora Core? > - --> > - - How many packages in the Extras ? > - --> > - - Which countries use the Fedora ? > - --> > - - Great companies who use the Fedora ? > - --> > - - How many ambassadors in the world ? > - --> Rodrigo, as for the package numbers, the "repoquery" command will give you answers for repositories in which you're interested. Don't forget that FC4 numbers will be different from FC5/Rawhide. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Mar 12 18:04:56 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:56 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <441462C8.7090906@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Low on details with the ever lasting MP3 gripe. > > http://linuxcult.com/story/03052006/fedora_core_5_test_3_review > When will people understand that as long as mp3 is encumbered with patents and licensing issues, it will never be supported as adefault format (ever again)? I have been looking at ways to promote other formats like theora/ogg, but it is rather difficult due in part to ubiquity of mp3 capable devices and appliances out there in the market that people expect to work flawlessly and out-of-the-box with Linux. I don't know many devices that will work with flac or ogg files out-of-the-box, only a handful support such formats (for the time being) and with the ever increasing issue of DRM, we can only expect an intensification of the "media wars". -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEFGLIXM+XOp70dwoRApQ9AJ94H48SjjoRCMnQG/+rEmldJcsRIwCfZo9U hyeb+TvodG1f8JyB1CwqUuw= =APZr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sun Mar 12 18:17:25 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:17:25 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <441462C8.7090906@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <441462C8.7090906@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060312121725.e5377306.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Gain Paolo Mureddu , spake thus: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Low on details with the ever lasting MP3 gripe. > When will people understand that as long as mp3 is encumbered with > patents and licensing issues, it will never be supported as adefault > format (ever again)? Exactly what MP3 education are we *actively* conducting? Install a multimedia player, point it to an .mp3 file and get a simple razz-berry that "we don't support mp3; you're screwed" message? If the licensing hassle is Fedora distributing the decoder, say so and then point folks where to get the stuff directly. When RH 8 dropped the support, at least there was an education page: http://www.redhat.com/advice/speaks_80mm.html to help out. Simply telling newbies who want to try Fedora that their 500 GB of mp3 songs can't be played loses their attention rather quickly. It's all very well to not ship mp3 decoders, but since other distro's do, we can't just take the high road and babble on about OGG, et. al. without explaining the migration path. *Is* there a migration path from MP3 to OGG? 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When RH 8 > dropped the support, at least there was an education page: > > http://www.redhat.com/advice/speaks_80mm.html > > to help out. Simply telling newbies who want to try Fedora that > their 500 GB of mp3 songs can't be played loses their attention > rather quickly. It's all very well to not ship mp3 decoders, but > since other distro's do, we can't just take the high road and > babble on about OGG, et. al. without explaining the migration path. > > > *Is* there a migration path from MP3 to OGG? > > End users want to use Fedora to solve their problems: let's help > them scratch their itch, not wave poison ivy about. To me the most "satisfactory" answer would be to redirect them to a media player that will get them what they want and which is available for Linux: RealPlayer. Granted we've got HelixPlayer (the core of Real), but (again) with mp3 support disabled. That would be about the *most* legitimate way to paliate the issue, IMO. It would be even better if when trying to open an .mp3 in Helix a dialog pop up and asks to "update" Helix to Real, so that users could "effortlessly" enjoy their mp3s with a (small) download handled automagically and only asking their root's password for the final installation (or whatever). However this solution heavily depends on Real.com allowing doing that from within Helix on voiced non-mp3 supporters like Fedora (or Debian, for that matter). This would actually benefit Real, as their player would be more and more used by Linux new commers, however last I saw their license it was rather restricive on the re-distribution, and an accord must be in place with the Fedora Project or Foundation prior for the project to be able to include such a feature, and even that may not be high on the priority list of many Fedora developers, so it would be pushed back or rejected altogether, even when such a feature would result in broader adoption of Fedora (for example) since it nicely interoperates with Real. If the users don't like RealPlayer, there's always the more underground solutions (like adding gstreamer plugins and the like), but that would then be responsiblity of the user, not the distribution. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEFIYtXM+XOp70dwoRAs3uAJ9yhARnR+5B/K3LkgQUZE2pO/7QagCaAvDY PmexuXrDILnnvHuvRv9r9+g= =kv7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Mar 12 21:31:39 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:31:39 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <4414862E.5090805@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <"20060312121725.e5377306.Tom my.Reynolds"@MegaCoder.com> <4414862E.5090805@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> I think the appropriate way to allow migration is simple: Instead of the generic "No MP3 here" message, point to a URL on the wiki. This URL can detail why we don't have MP3, what the alternatives are, and where they can look for more information about MP3 on Fedora. We are very limited in the wording we can use, and we can't provide direct information to give people MP3 support, but we can point them to third-part sites that have that information. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Mar 12 21:39:10 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:39:10 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <"20060312121725.e5377306.To m my.Reynolds"@MegaCoder.com> <4414862E.5090805@prodigy.net.mx> <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <441494FE.2010305@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Barnes wrote: > I think the appropriate way to allow migration is simple: > > Instead of the generic "No MP3 here" message, point to a URL on the > wiki. This URL can detail why we don't have MP3, what the > alternatives are, and where they can look for more information > about MP3 on Fedora. We are very limited in the wording we can > use, and we can't provide direct information to give people MP3 > support, but we can point them to third-part sites that have that > information. I'm confused... Why can't we provide direct information, even when it involves using a third party tool? I mean is not like Fedora is endosing any illegal activities or anything of the sort by pointing to a legi source like Real Player... I don't understand why can't that be said straight. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEFJT+XM+XOp70dwoRAnsxAJ9nQsWPULYEAdHrNXtdXKYy2x3OsgCfQgFO pPwhe7ceWmgNknkeZkUq1qw= =KXrp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 21:45:59 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:45:59 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner Message-ID: Hi all. My names, as many of us know, is Francesco Ugolini, i'm a Fedora ambassador. I think that Fedora is a great system and many people have to know this. It's a mission, i know but we have to broke all prejudice that many people (bad people) have said of this system. I've done some banner ( http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ Banners ) that everybody can put in their site or blog to make fedora more visible to all. Those are a beginning. Thanks Francesco Ugolini From Michael at phoronix.com Sun Mar 12 21:57:30 2006 From: Michael at phoronix.com (Michael Larabel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:57:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4414994A.9050502@phoronix.com> Francesco, Are there any intentions of creating 125 x 125 or 468 x 60 px (which are pretty much standard sizes when it comes to advertising) Fedora banners? Thanks. Michael Larabel Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Hi all. My names, as many of us know, is Francesco Ugolini, i'm a > Fedora ambassador. > I think that Fedora is a great system and many people have to know > this. It's a mission, i know but we have to broke all prejudice that > many people (bad people) have said of this system. > > I've done some banner ( http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ > Banners ) that everybody can put in their site or blog to make fedora > more visible to all. Those are a beginning. > > Thanks > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 12 21:56:43 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:56:43 +0000 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603122156.43278.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >i know but we have to broke all prejudice that > many people (bad people) have said of this system. That's a fine way of getting them on our side! :) Clair From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 21:58:40 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:58:40 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <200603122156.43278.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603122156.43278.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <084DAA10-7520-4B3F-977A-24C180069413@fedora.redhat.com> Yes ;) Il giorno 12/mar/06, alle ore 22:56, Clair ha scritto: > On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> i know but we have to broke all prejudice that >> many people (bad people) have said of this system. > > That's a fine way of getting them on our side! :) > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 21:58:13 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:58:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <4414994A.9050502@phoronix.com> References: <4414994A.9050502@phoronix.com> Message-ID: Yes, the current banner are to big and aggressive to be placed in every site or blog, i will make them in a few days (before thursday). Best regards Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 12/mar/06, alle ore 22:57, Michael Larabel ha scritto: > Francesco, > > Are there any intentions of creating 125 x 125 or 468 x 60 px > (which are pretty much standard sizes when it comes to advertising) > Fedora banners? > > Thanks. > > Michael Larabel > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> Hi all. My names, as many of us know, is Francesco Ugolini, i'm a >> Fedora ambassador. >> I think that Fedora is a great system and many people have to know >> this. It's a mission, i know but we have to broke all prejudice >> that many people (bad people) have said of this system. >> >> I've done some banner ( http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ >> Marketing/ Banners ) that everybody can put in their site or blog >> to make fedora more visible to all. Those are a beginning. >> >> Thanks >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 12 23:00:21 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Once again, can we please take this to marketing? On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in > italian i resume the content here: > > A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, > it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is > avaiable in this moment. > > Tha feautures are: > > Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. This doesn't make sense. > A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup > updater. This isn't true > Better start and close speed Is this true? Has it been tested? > More cripted filesystem. I don't think this is true. > After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to > commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and > OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such > as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer > that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. You can't say "Fedora is better than Windows" in a press release. Clair From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 23:03:19 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:03:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <102B5540-EE09-42A8-8C47-FE1E6A38C14D@fedora.redhat.com> I've translate this link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5Future i dont' know if i have translate correctly italian to english in my mail, but i've put what i've find there. Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 00:00, Clair ha scritto: > Once again, can we please take this to marketing? > > On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in >> italian i resume the content here: >> >> A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, >> it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is >> avaiable in this moment. >> >> Tha feautures are: >> >> Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. > > This doesn't make sense. > >> A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup >> updater. > > This isn't true > >> Better start and close speed > > Is this true? Has it been tested? > >> More cripted filesystem. > > I don't think this is true. > >> After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to >> commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and >> OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such >> as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer >> that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. > > You can't say "Fedora is better than Windows" in a press release. > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 12 23:06:37 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:06:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> Going http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease i've read that: Anaconda, the Fedora Core installer, has been completely rewritten to present a more streamlined interface that matches the new look and feel of Fedora Core 5. Fedora Core 5 also brings major advancements in software management with the introduction of Pirut, a graphical interface to replace system-config-packages. Pirut helps manage the large number of software packages available in Fedora Core and Extras repositories. The software package updater, Pup, helps users keep pace with Fedora's rapid improvements. For the first time, all of Fedora Core's tools for software installation and management share the same strong foundation: the package management utility Yum. This tight integration will lead to dramatic improvements in software management in future Fedora releases. Linux Unified Key Support (LUKS) provides hard disk encryption support in Fedora Core 5; David Zeuthen of Red Hat, the HAL developer and maintainer, worked on the LUKS integration with HAL and GNOME, finishing just in time for the new Fedora Core release. Hard disk encryption provides one of the best physical security solutions -- protection of your data if your hard disk falls into the wrong hands. Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 00:00, Clair ha scritto: > Once again, can we please take this to marketing? > > On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:45, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've made a press release to send to press at Wednesday 15, it is in >> italian i resume the content here: >> >> A new, and more advance, distribution of Fedora is released today, >> it's based on Linux and it's the most advance distribution that is >> avaiable in this moment. >> >> Tha feautures are: >> >> Packet with same functionality are inserted in the Extras. > > This doesn't make sense. > >> A new packet manager with a better integration with Anaconda and Pup >> updater. > > This isn't true > >> Better start and close speed > > Is this true? Has it been tested? > >> More cripted filesystem. > > I don't think this is true. > >> After three years of works Fedora is became a sure alternative to >> commercial OS, that are full of viruses. Fedora is free and >> OpenSource and it has alternative software to commercial ones, such >> as OpenOffice, Firefox, Gimp etc .... it is developed by volounteer >> that everyday work to improove the system and make it up to date. > > You can't say "Fedora is better than Windows" in a press release. > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sun Mar 12 23:26:22 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:26:22 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603122326.22585.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Sunday 12 March 2006 23:06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Fedora Core 5 also brings major advancements in software management > with the introduction of Pirut, a graphical interface to replace > system-config-packages. Pirut helps manage the large number of > software packages available in Fedora Core and Extras repositories. > The software package updater, Pup, helps users keep pace with > Fedora's rapid improvements. It uses the yum package manager. Yum is still the same. It has nothing to do with anaconda. As it says below: > For the first time, all of Fedora Core's tools for software > installation and management share the same strong foundation: the > package management utility Yum. This tight integration will lead to > dramatic improvements in software management in future Fedora releases. > > Linux Unified Key Support (LUKS) provides hard disk encryption > support in Fedora Core 5; David Zeuthen of Red Hat, the HAL developer > and maintainer, worked on the LUKS integration with HAL and GNOME, > finishing just in time for the new Fedora Core release. Hard disk > encryption provides one of the best physical security solutions -- > protection of your data if your hard disk falls into the wrong hands. This isn't a new file system. Clair From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Mar 12 23:47:54 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:47:54 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <200603122326.22585.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> <200603122326.22585.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1142207274.14782.9.camel@ender> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:26 +0000, Clair wrote: > > It uses the yum package manager. Yum is still the same. It has nothing to do > with anaconda. As it says below: Anaconda uses yum, which is new for FC5, that is noteworthy. It is our first step toward being able to install packages from other repos (like Extras) while inside anaconda. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, -- db > I would like you to experiment with blue background and off-white > text. Moreover we should as well give place to other web elements on > the page, as the flash animation alone won't do much. > > Let me wait for your new tweaked designs. > > Regards > Abhishek Singh > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 00:51:26 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:21:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <441494FE.2010305@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <"20060312121725.e5377306.To m my.Reynolds"@MegaCoder.com> <4414862E.5090805@prodigy.net.mx> <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> <441494FE.2010305@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1142211087.2890.12.camel@linuxbox> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 15:39 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I'm confused... Why can't we provide direct information, even when it > involves using a third party tool? I mean is not like Fedora is > endosing any illegal activities or anything of the sort by pointing to > a legi source like Real Player... I don't understand why can't that be > said straight. It isn't illegal. However, Fedora only promote software which is Free in ALL RESPECTS. RP has a condition or two that makes it not free. Hense, Fedora will not promote it Gja From sgk284 at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 01:08:31 2006 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <1142207274.14782.9.camel@ender> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> <200603122326.22585.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142207274.14782.9.camel@ender> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> This is in reference to the press release that Clair was quoting in her first email of this thread. While the points followed up with regard to yum are right, the press release as a whole feels a little unprofessional. It should be cleaned up a bit. Also, we shouldn't need to compare ourselves with other alternative operating systems "full of viruses". Just announce what's new, what the release brings to the field and how end users can benefit and enjoy it. The product, I feel, is strong enough to speak for itself, no need to deride alternatives. I think Fedora is above that and doesn't need the senseless hand waving, regardless of what the alternatives themselves may be doing. It appears the site: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease is fine , so I'm not sure where the press release Clair was quoting originated from, but I figured I'd respond with my thoughts to avoid situations like that in the future. If I've misinterpreted what was said, just let me know, same thing if you disagree with me. Regards, Steve On 3/12/06, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:26 +0000, Clair wrote: > > > > It uses the yum package manager. Yum is still the same. It has nothing > to do > > with anaconda. As it says below: > > Anaconda uses yum, which is new for FC5, that is noteworthy. It is our > first step toward being able to install packages from other repos (like > Extras) while inside anaconda. > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team ( www.fedoralegacy.org) > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEFLMq4v2HLvE71NURApExAJ9xhustC5FECjrufQJmQ3GLjL6zZwCfTPJb > 7bIlbIe7wgmui9+K8tgvBU4= > =oi3k > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Mon Mar 13 01:20:15 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142207274.14782.9.camel@ender> <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603130120.15696.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Monday 13 March 2006 01:08, Stephen Krenzel wrote: >I'm not sure > where the press release Clair was quoting originated from, but I figured > I'd respond with my thoughts to avoid situations like that in the future. > If I've misinterpreted what was said, just let me know, same thing if you > disagree with me. Ah, sorry, the fun of cross-posting :) It was in reply to a post made to the ambassador's list. I'm not sure if the original poster is in fact subscribed to this list (but he should be) Clair From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Mar 13 01:45:12 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:45:12 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <200603130120.15696.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> <200603130120.15696.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603121945.15372.nman64@n-man.com> These are all moot points, and this thread is virtually pointless. An official press release is already in the works. It will be the only official press release. It can be translated and will be available for redistribution. Any other production under the Fedora name is unauthorized. If you wish to work on the official press release, please get in touch with the Documentation Project, as it has already passed out of Marketing and is in their hands. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are very > limited in the wording we can use, and we can't provide direct information to > give people MP3 support, but we can point them to third-part sites that have > that information. I think i have a better proposal: install a stub plugin for GStreamer (just like the stub used in XMMS back then mp3 support was removed in the first time). This stub would show a window with a short message stating mp3 support is not available, recommending ogg and having two links: one to the ForbiddenItems page in the wiki and another to Fluendo, which offer a free and legal plugin for playing mp3 files (that plugin is not free enough to be included in the distro but free enough to be recommended). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 07:56:05 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:56:05 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Press release for new Fedora 5 In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603122300.22012.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <62819C70-9864-4C8E-9196-C7AB9D2EC4BE@fedora.redhat.com> <200603122326.22585.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142207274.14782.9.camel@ender> <1fa01fe80603121708l179e2579sda78c7a49bb5a98d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, thanks very much i follow what you and clair told me. Best regards Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 02:08, Stephen Krenzel ha scritto: > This is in reference to the press release that Clair was quoting > in her first email of this thread. While the points followed up > with regard to yum are right, the press release as a whole feels a > little unprofessional. It should be cleaned up a bit. Also, we > shouldn't need to compare ourselves with other alternative > operating systems "full of viruses". Just announce what's new, what > the release brings to the field and how end users can benefit and > enjoy it. The product, I feel, is strong enough to speak for > itself, no need to deride alternatives. I think Fedora is above > that and doesn't need the senseless hand waving, regardless of what > the alternatives themselves may be doing. It appears the site: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease is fine , so I'm not > sure where the press release Clair was quoting originated from, but > I figured I'd respond with my thoughts to avoid situations like > that in the future. If I've misinterpreted what was said, just let > me know, same thing if you disagree with me. > Regards, > Steve > > On 3/12/06, Jesse Keating < jkeating at j2solutions.net> wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:26 +0000, Clair wrote: > > > > It uses the yum package manager. Yum is still the same. It has > nothing to do > > with anaconda. As it says below: > > Anaconda uses yum, which is new for FC5, that is noteworthy. It is > our > first step toward being able to install packages from other repos > (like > Extras) while inside anaconda. > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE ( geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team ( www.fedoralegacy.org) > GPG Public Key ( geek.j2solutions.net/ > jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEFLMq4v2HLvE71NURApExAJ9xhustC5FECjrufQJmQ3GLjL6zZwCfTPJb > 7bIlbIe7wgmui9+K8tgvBU4= > =oi3k > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GStreamer, as a backend, does not interact directly with a GUI. We will not be making such significant alterations as would be necessary to allow this, as we cannot justify it with the problems it would create. We will have to provide dialogs on a per-application basis. We are not going to point directly to anything that can't be included in the distribution. Even in cases where it is legal, that is contrary to our stated goals, and creates complications we don't need. This is why all of our resources only point vaguely to third-party sites that provide such information. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So here is an animated one: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.gif note: I did not put it on the Wiki because the procedure with certificates and stuff look to complicated for such a small thing. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 11:14:49 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:44:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1142248489.2890.15.camel@linuxbox> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 10:55 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I know animations in web pages are evil, but for some obscure reasons, > some people seems to prefer them. So here is an animated one: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.gif This is my favorite one so far!!! unfortunately, this is a bit grainy (the word 'voice' is), so can you please make a bigger one, and we'll put it on the fp.o wiki. Hell, I vote for it to come on the first page!!! GJa From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 11:22:26 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:52:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <1142248489.2890.15.camel@linuxbox> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> <1142248489.2890.15.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <441555F2.3040705@fedoraproject.org> Tejas Dinkar wrote: >On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 10:55 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > >>I know animations in web pages are evil, but for some obscure reasons, >>some people seems to prefer them. So here is an animated one: >>http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.gif >> >> > >This is my favorite one so far!!! > >unfortunately, this is a bit grainy (the word 'voice' is), so can you >please make a bigger one, and we'll put it on the fp.o wiki. > >Hell, I vote for it to come on the first page!!! > >GJa > Its pretty good but I wouldnt want to put it in the front page without atleast slowing down the animation speed. Can you help document the procedure of doing it? -- Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 13 12:40:13 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:40:13 +0200 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <441555F2.3040705@fedoraproject.org> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> <1142248489.2890.15.camel@linuxbox> <441555F2.3040705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4415682D.9020001@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Tejas Dinkar wrote: >> >> This is my favorite one so far!!! >> >> unfortunately, this is a bit grainy (the word 'voice' is), so can you The grainy part was my mistake in converting from true color to indexed, I corrected this along with another visual bug so the image is updated now: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.gif The animation is also twice as slow (see below for more details). >> please make a bigger one, and we'll put it on the fp.o wiki. I have to wave my hand in a Jedi gesture and say: you do not want a bigger one :p This banner is in a standard size, 468x60, we do not want to have banners in unusual sizes, that would be evil - for example people who do not want to be annoyed by banners can block those standard sizes either with some browser extensions (AdBlocker for Firefox) or with a proxy. The next standard size is 600x120, which is in my opinion somewhat too big and not so much used. Doing the banner at a bigger and non-proportional size would involve re-creating it from scratch. I will do it only if absolutely needed. >> Hell, I vote for it to come on the first page!!! >> >> GJa >> > Its pretty good but I wouldnt want to put it in the front page without > atleast slowing down the animation speed. Can you help document the > procedure of doing it? Unfortunately, the Gimp does not have (AFAIK) a one click solution, but there are at least two ways: 1. open the GIF in Gimp. see the delay in milliseconds in the name of each layer. adjust as needed - this is no good in an animation like this with a lot of frames. 2. use the XCF source: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.xcf open it with Gimp and save as GIF. select to save layers as animation and specify the delay you want. the resulting GIF is very big, so open it again in Gimp and use Filters->Animation->Optimize and save the result again as GIF. The second method is a little awkward: normally you would first optimize and then save as GIF, but this will impose a delay of 100 ms, so you have to save as GIF to set the desired delay first (probably I should complain to Gimp developers about this). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Mon Mar 13 12:45:06 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:45:06 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <200603130231.11825.nman64@n-man.com> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> <44151A9C.7090501@nicubunu.ro> <200603130231.11825.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <20060313064506.21253a24.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Patrick Barnes , spake thus: > We are not going to point directly to anything that can't be included in the > distribution. Even in cases where it is legal, that is contrary to our > stated goals, and creates complications we don't need. This is why all of > our resources only point vaguely to third-party sites that provide such > information. Do you have a URL for the dreaded mp3 license that is the root of all this evil? -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 13:06:30 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Review In-Reply-To: <20060313064506.21253a24.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <44143E43.9090302@fedoraproject.org> <200603121531.41598.nman64@n-man.com> <44151A9C.7090501@nicubunu.ro> <200603130231.11825.nman64@n-man.com> <20060313064506.21253a24.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1142255190.21517.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 06:45 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Patrick Barnes , spake thus: > > > We are not going to point directly to anything that can't be included in the > > distribution. Even in cases where it is legal, that is contrary to our > > stated goals, and creates complications we don't need. This is why all of > > our resources only point vaguely to third-party sites that provide such > > information. > > Do you have a URL for the dreaded mp3 license that is the root of all > this evil? http://www.mp3licensing.com/ - Thomson/Fraunhofer site with the details. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is why all of >>our resources only point vaguely to third-party sites that provide such >>information. > > > Do you have a URL for the dreaded mp3 license that is the root of all > this evil? Here: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html (Thomson/Fraunhofer is the patent holder). Note: Fluendo people have payed for the license and they freely distribute a decoder: https://shop.fluendo.com/. The Fluendo plugin can't be included in the distro, but you as an end user can legally download and install it, no matter in which part of the word you live (as opposed to the well known Lame, which may be not legal everywhere). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 13:22:26 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:22:26 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <0C669A51-4A33-4494-888E-ED0A57653BE4@fedora.redhat.com> Ok, i post your great proposal (very beautifull)in the wiki page. Best regards Francesco Ugolini Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 09:55, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > te: I did not put it on the Wiki because the procedure with > certificates and stuff look to complicated for such a small thing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 13:33:22 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:33:22 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <176F8709-069F-4F59-9CA1-2B8F0BE633CA@fedora.redhat.com> If iyou would can you write a short description of your work, so i can put that in the wiki above your banner. Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 09:55, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I've done some banner ( http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ >> Marketing/ Banners ) that everybody can put in their site or blog >> to make fedora more visible to all. Those are a beginning. > > I know animations in web pages are evil, but for some obscure > reasons, some people seems to prefer them. So here is an animated one: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora_banner_composite.gif > > note: I did not put it on the Wiki because the procedure with > certificates and stuff look to complicated for such a small thing. > > -- > nicu > my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 13 14:18:44 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:18:44 +0200 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <176F8709-069F-4F59-9CA1-2B8F0BE633CA@fedora.redhat.com> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> <176F8709-069F-4F59-9CA1-2B8F0BE633CA@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44157F44.7060206@nicubunu.ro> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > If iyou would can you write a short description of your work, so i can > put that in the wiki above your banner. I see you already put it on the wiki, but please, attach the file to the wiki page, do not hotlink it from my poor and unreliable server, it may become too popular (the wiki software has the ability to upload files). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Mon Mar 13 14:39:15 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:39:15 +0100 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: <44157F44.7060206@nicubunu.ro> References: <44153396.4090703@nicubunu.ro> <176F8709-069F-4F59-9CA1-2B8F0BE633CA@fedora.redhat.com> <44157F44.7060206@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <536CE25A-F323-497C-82B9-1D94D0EAEE78@fedora.redhat.com> Ok Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 15:18, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > ady put it on the wiki, but please, attach the file to the wiki > page, do not hotlink it from my poor and unreliable server, it may > become too popular (the wiki software has the ability to upload > files). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Il giorno 13/mar/06, alle ore 15:18, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> If iyou would can you write a short description of your work, so >> i can put that in the wiki above your banner. > > I see you already put it on the wiki, but please, attach the file > to the wiki page, do not hotlink it from my poor and unreliable > server, it may become too popular (the wiki software has the > ability to upload files). > > -- > nicu > my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 20:56:42 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:56:42 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <1141955866.2999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> <1141955866.2999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603131256u7e23840dmb1ed843644eda8e2@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, Ive built a livecd, a second one. Its been more that 8 hours Im sending it via yousendit.com I think I should find another way to upload :( There are 2 users, root and fedora. But in the root's desktop there is a folder named "fedora". I was thinking about adding promotional materials in that folder so that Ambassadors might be using during their Fedora promotion activities. Do tell me what is your favourite promotional materials. Of course NOT everything could be added but at least the prime/standard one. For now, Ive included a presentation made by gregdek, 2 videos of DavidNelly, 2 flyers(english and french) made by ThomasCanniot and I. Evince gave me a black background for the english version, but Ill send the corrected one to ThomasCanniot to upload it. Have a look at : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/UserContribution?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Fedora.tar.bz2 the index.html is based upon Abhishek's work. I haven't yet looked at the banners and videos which are being discussed on the list. But if you feel there is something lacking about my contents, feel free to propose your version :) Remember these contents might be useful to you as Fedora Ambassador, don't be shy, I don't read minds :) more info http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/UserContribution Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 21:11:13 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:13 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603131256u7e23840dmb1ed843644eda8e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> <1141955866.2999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0603131256u7e23840dmb1ed843644eda8e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603131311q7bc61396yd576bc9aed4d16f4@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Have a look at : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/UserContribution?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Fedora.tar.bz2 > Hi Chitlesh, I just checked it out locally and it seems all three pdfs are missing. Did you mean to ponit to URL instead? Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 13 21:21:06 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:21:06 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Live : promotional material In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603131311q7bc61396yd576bc9aed4d16f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603061559h7e60a585mdbedb2b18e04e024@mail.gmail.com> <1141947992.2682.7.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <13dbfe4f0603091701x390030d6n3aa21c5ea8f62c26@mail.gmail.com> <1141955866.2999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0603131256u7e23840dmb1ed843644eda8e2@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603131311q7bc61396yd576bc9aed4d16f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603131321yd399800if2e81693a612f92f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 3/13/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Have a look at : > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/UserContribution?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Fedora.tar.bz2 > > > > Hi Chitlesh, > > I just checked it out locally and it seems all three pdfs are missing. > Did you mean to ponit to URL instead? > I ve mentioned below : ---- Remember these contents might be useful to you as Fedora Ambassador, don't be shy, I don't read minds :) more info http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/UserContribution --- I didn't want to upload again those pdfs which are already in Marketing/Slides (which I didn' modify) :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Tue Mar 14 00:00:41 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:00:41 +0000 Subject: Fedora's Banner In-Reply-To: References: <44157F44.7060206@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200603140000.41439.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Monday 13 March 2006 15:11, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've done this. To help my poor inbox, can we please not send emails like "OK","Will do","I've done it","Ok, wiki updated" to the mailing list? It's not really useful, two emails saying "I'll do it" and seconds later "Done" is pointless (people don't check their mail constantly) :) Ta, Clair. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 14 11:50:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:20:25 +0530 Subject: Special report: Linux in education Message-ID: <4416AE01.3060708@fedoraproject.org> Hi Elementary school kids working on Fedora Core 3. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060313#2 -- Rahul From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Tue Mar 14 12:00:05 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:00:05 -0600 Subject: Special report: Linux in education In-Reply-To: <4416AE01.3060708@fedoraproject.org> References: <4416AE01.3060708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1142337605.2470.9.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 17:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Elementary school kids working on Fedora Core 3. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060313#2 > Now this is very cool, talk about grass roots... -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack From gdk at redhat.com Tue Mar 14 16:42:45 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:42:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC5 press release Message-ID: We're less than a week from the release of Fedora Core 5. We've been working on a general press release, and we're pretty close to done with it; it's seen a number of edits from various people over the last week. It's not perfect, of course, but it's close enough. So, take ONE FINAL LOOK at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5PressRelease If you see any GLARING errors or omissions, please reply within the next 24 hours. Tomorrow, we'll freeze this version as the content master. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 17:09:45 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:09:45 -0500 Subject: FC5 press release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910603140909g55ddd934m2b3ba203bad3fc06@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > If you see any GLARING errors or omissions, please reply within the next > 24 hours. Tomorrow, we'll freeze this version as the content master. Nothing in there about the inclusion of gnome-mount? I think the change from using fstab-sync to re-write the fstab to using gnome-mount to interact with hal directly to control user mountable volumes is a significant change in behavior for people in the userbase who use the cmdline. A large enough change to highlight in every feature summary, everywhere.. to give as much heads up to the userbase as possible. The only mention of the extention of HAL functionality is the mention of LUKS, and while thats note-worthy addition from a desktop perspective. I am concerned that the change in hal behavior from fstab-sync calls to gnome-mount interact will prove to be one of the technology shifts which the established fedora userbase will have the most problems with after the fc5 release...especially if we don't make a concerned effort to give cmdline users a heads up. I fully expect the communications to be flooded with "where did my fstab entries go" and for people to be confused by the new mounting mechanism. -jef From gdk at redhat.com Tue Mar 14 17:17:27 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:17:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC5 press release In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603140909g55ddd934m2b3ba203bad3fc06@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910603140909g55ddd934m2b3ba203bad3fc06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Jef. I'll look at how to change that. Perhaps I should also have a link directly to the release notes. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 3/14/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > If you see any GLARING errors or omissions, please reply within the next > > 24 hours. Tomorrow, we'll freeze this version as the content master. > > Nothing in there about the inclusion of gnome-mount? I think the > change from using fstab-sync to re-write the fstab to using > gnome-mount to interact with hal directly to control user mountable > volumes is a significant change in behavior for people in the userbase > who use the cmdline. A large enough change to highlight in every > feature summary, everywhere.. to give as much heads up to the userbase > as possible. > > The only mention of the extention of HAL functionality is the mention > of LUKS, and while thats note-worthy addition from a desktop > perspective. I am concerned that the change in hal behavior from > fstab-sync calls to gnome-mount interact will prove to be one of the > technology shifts which the established fedora userbase will have the > most problems with after the fc5 release...especially if we don't make > a concerned effort to give cmdline users a heads up. I fully expect > the communications to be flooded with "where did my fstab entries go" > and for people to be confused by the new mounting mechanism. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 14 17:19:18 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:49:18 +0530 Subject: FC5 press release In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910603140909g55ddd934m2b3ba203bad3fc06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4416FB16.8070908@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >Thanks, Jef. I'll look at how to change that. > >Perhaps I should also have a link directly to the release notes. > >--g > > Thats the best resolution to this issue. Otherwise we have to point out pretty much everything in the overview. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView -- Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 18:10:47 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:10:47 -0500 Subject: FC5 press release In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910603140909g55ddd934m2b3ba203bad3fc06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910603141010s571ecdb8o1e2495176e01870c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Thanks, Jef. I'll look at how to change that. > > Perhaps I should also have a link directly to the release notes. Referencing the release notes would be fine, I just think its worth mentioning since I'm pretty confident people are going to stub a toe on it if they aren't looking for it. And we all know how irrational and angry you can get when you stub your toe on something you didn't know was there. -jef"hulk angry, hulk smash"spaleta From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 14 20:30:17 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:30:17 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Press release translation] Message-ID: <1142368217.3270.66.camel@erato.phig.org> If we can finalize the FC 5 press release today, we can convert it to the XML and make it available for translations. The folks who worked on the release-notes might be available. Otherwise, someone can manually load it into i18n.redhat.com. - Karsten -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Karsten Wade Reply-To: For participants of the Documentation Project To: For participants of the Documentation Project Subject: Re: Press release translation Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:15:21 -0800 On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 14:12 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I've pause the translation of FC4 Installation Guide and i've started > to traduce the Press release for fedora core 5, when is avaiable i > post is in the m-list. I don't think the content is final. Are there any plans for others to translate? To translate, we are converting to XML in CVS. We have a simple press- release module we are using. I'm sorry there isn't better coordination around translation. I thought we were going to use the Fedora Translation Project and the tools for locking/unlocking files from CVS. But I have not heard back from any of the Translation leaders/members about that. We will try to finalize the press release and get it into a (new) CVS module, then announce it ready for translation. I'll see about this today. - Karsten -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 14 20:35:22 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:35:22 -0800 Subject: non-technical press release In-Reply-To: <1142349396.26710.27.camel@deepfort> References: <1142338353.2470.13.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <1142349396.26710.27.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <1142368522.3270.71.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 10:16 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 06:12 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > I am wondering if there will be an official non-technical press release > > that I could send to my local paper. If not would anyone be interested > > in helping write one that we could get a blessing for? > > > > I am assuming you mean for FC5? There should be the general press > release which shouldn't be too technical, but if you want to get one > done otherwise, email me off list and we should be able to cobble one > together. The one we are doing for FC 5 is not a generic-like press release. It directly appeals to the Linux user and would make little sense those without some technical clue. If you can throw together five or seven paragraphs that cover: * What (FC 5 release) * What Fedora Project is * Blurb about how cool FLOSS is and why * What killer features are here that would attract the general desktop user * One or two links (v. the 10,000 in the technical PR) That would be great. I want to see this available, as well. We have a press-release module that has a template, DTD, and Makefile for doing press releases. We need a new module to contain the actual content, I'll get that set up. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Tue Mar 14 20:43:11 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:43:11 -0600 Subject: non-technical press release In-Reply-To: <1142349396.26710.27.camel@deepfort> References: <1142338353.2470.13.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <1142349396.26710.27.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <1142368992.2470.26.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 10:16 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 06:12 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > I am wondering if there will be an official non-technical press release > > that I could send to my local paper. If not would anyone be interested > > in helping write one that we could get a blessing for? > > > > I am assuming you mean for FC5? There should be the general press > release which shouldn't be too technical, but if you want to get one > done otherwise, email me off list and we should be able to cobble one > together. > > Jack Jack, I would love to hammer something out. Let me know on list what we can do if we go on list we can get feedback from others. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Each PR has it's own directory because each has it's own Makefile. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Mar 14 21:11:37 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:11:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fwd: Re: Press release translation] In-Reply-To: <1142369303.3270.74.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20060314211137.18906.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > The new module is at: > cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs/marketing-content > With the content in the FC-5-press-release/ sub-directory. Each PR > has it's own directory because each has it's own Makefile. :) Is there read-only access to the CVS repository? For those of us not so entrusted? -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Mar 15 00:26:50 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:26:50 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Press release translation] In-Reply-To: <20060314211137.18906.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060314211137.18906.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603141826.54671.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 15:11, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > The new module is at: > > cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs/marketing-content > > With the content in the FC-5-press-release/ sub-directory. Each PR > > has it's own directory because each has it's own Makefile. :) > > Is there read-only access to the CVS repository? > For those of us not so entrusted? cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs co marketing-content -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? 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Is there anyway the ambassadors can start downloading FC5 now, so that they can start distributing on the release date? i gave this idea once before, but nothing happend of it gja From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 01:04:42 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:04:42 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Press release translation] In-Reply-To: <200603141826.54671.nman64@n-man.com> References: <20060314211137.18906.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200603141826.54671.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1142384682.26415.31.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 18:26 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 15:11, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > The new module is at: > > > cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs/marketing-content > > > With the content in the FC-5-press-release/ sub-directory. Each PR > > > has it's own directory because each has it's own Makefile. :) > > > > Is there read-only access to the CVS repository? > > For those of us not so entrusted? > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs co marketing-content You'll notice a lack of actual content. Once the Wiki page[1] freezes, I'll convert it to XML. The goal is to get .po files for translation ASAP. Tommy is working on the Makefile; it works a-dandy with FOP, but we want to get it working on stock FC4+. IOW, don't be surprised if the output isn't what you expect quite yet. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pre-releasing it is a bad idea, incease we find something critical and tell the mirrors to don't release it. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 01:09:01 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:01 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay Message-ID: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> New versions of Ubuntu Linux have been released at a steady six-month cadence, but project founder Mark Shuttleworth is considering a six-week delay to improve the reliability of an important new version. The next version, called Dapper Drake, is due in April. It's the first version that will have longer-term support commitments--three years for the desktop computer version and five years for servers, compared to 18 months for the current 5.10 "Breezy Badger" version. Getting those features right is important, Shuttleworth said in an e- mail on Friday. "We will live with Dapper for five years--so let's give it a few extra weeks now so that it can be a real asset to the Ubuntu project for the full duration of its lifespan," Shuttleworth said. |more at: http://tinyurl.com/qvzmn| Yes!!! Is FC5 still planned for March 15? Best, -- David Barzilay From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Wed Mar 15 01:11:12 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:11:12 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay In-Reply-To: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142385072.2470.36.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:09 +1000, David Barzilay wrote: > New versions of Ubuntu Linux have been released at a steady six-month > cadence, but project founder Mark Shuttleworth is considering a six-week > delay to improve the reliability of an important new version. > > The next version, called Dapper Drake, is due in April. It's the first > version that will have longer-term support commitments--three years for > the desktop computer version and five years for servers, compared to 18 > months for the current 5.10 "Breezy Badger" version. > > Getting those features right is important, Shuttleworth said in an e- > mail on Friday. "We will live with Dapper for five years--so let's give > it a few extra weeks now so that it can be a real asset to the Ubuntu > project for the full duration of its lifespan," Shuttleworth said. > > |more at: http://tinyurl.com/qvzmn| > > Yes!!! > > Is FC5 still planned for March 15? > > Best, > -- > David Barzilay The current date is March 20th, 2006. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nope. :) http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/398 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 01:32:34 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:32:34 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603141711s640111bbi43967c79bbcbcf9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <369bce3b0603141711s640111bbi43967c79bbcbcf9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142386355.4171.28.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Thomas, I actually knew it was March 20, but mistyped the day. Just wanted to point out FC5 Launch can make a big splash with all our Marketing contributors worldwide and get in front of Ubuntu... ;) Best, -- db Em Ter, 2006-03-14 ?s 17:11 -0800, Thomas Chung escreveu: > On 3/14/06, David Barzilay wrote: > > Is FC5 still planned for March 15? > > Nope. :) > http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/398 > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From pb at fedoracore.com.ar Wed Mar 15 02:15:40 2006 From: pb at fedoracore.com.ar (pb at fedoracore.com.ar) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:15:40 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay References: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com><369bce3b0603141711s640111bbi43967c79bbcbcf9a@mail.gmail.com> <1142386355.4171.28.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <003c01c647d6$5c8129e0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Just like said Smith in Matrix to Morpheus... IT?s OUR moment... IT?s OUR time! Combining Fedora in the Streets and a marketing aproach could be interesting. PabloBarrera Fedora Ambassador Argentina ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barzilay" To: "Thomas Chung" Cc: "Fedora-MKT" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay Thomas, I actually knew it was March 20, but mistyped the day. Just wanted to point out FC5 Launch can make a big splash with all our Marketing contributors worldwide and get in front of Ubuntu... ;) Best, -- db Em Ter, 2006-03-14 ?s 17:11 -0800, Thomas Chung escreveu: > On 3/14/06, David Barzilay wrote: > > Is FC5 still planned for March 15? > > Nope. :) > http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/398 > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 09/03/2006 From barzilay at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 02:19:58 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:19:58 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay In-Reply-To: <003c01c647d6$5c8129e0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> References: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <369bce3b0603141711s640111bbi43967c79bbcbcf9a@mail.gmail.com> <1142386355.4171.28.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> <003c01c647d6$5c8129e0$0201a8c0@pabloiocjt93wd> Message-ID: <1142389198.4171.32.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi Pablo, Can please you tell us some more details about your experience similar to Fedora in the Streets. Maybe put it on your wiki page on fedoraproject.org? Or relate it to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia ... Best, -- db Em Ter, 2006-03-14 ?s 23:15 -0300, pb at fedoracore.com.ar escreveu: > Just like said Smith in Matrix to Morpheus... > IT?s OUR moment... > IT?s OUR time! > > Combining Fedora in the Streets and a marketing aproach > could be interesting. > > PabloBarrera > Fedora Ambassador Argentina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Barzilay" > To: "Thomas Chung" > Cc: "Fedora-MKT" > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay > > > Thomas, > > I actually knew it was March 20, but mistyped the day. > > Just wanted to point out FC5 Launch can make a big splash with all our > Marketing contributors worldwide and get in front of Ubuntu... ;) > > Best, > -- > db > > Em Ter, 2006-03-14 ?s 17:11 -0800, Thomas Chung escreveu: > > On 3/14/06, David Barzilay wrote: > > > Is FC5 still planned for March 15? > > > > Nope. :) > > http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/398 > > -- > > Thomas Chung > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 15 09:36:19 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:06:19 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay In-Reply-To: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1142384941.4171.5.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4417E013.6010802@fedoraproject.org> David Barzilay wrote: >New versions of Ubuntu Linux have been released at a steady six-month >cadence, but project founder Mark Shuttleworth is considering a six-week >delay to improve the reliability of an important new version. > >The next version, called Dapper Drake, is due in April. It's the first >version that will have longer-term support commitments--three years for >the desktop computer version and five years for servers, compared to 18 >months for the current 5.10 "Breezy Badger" version. > >Getting those features right is important, Shuttleworth said in an e- >mail on Friday. "We will live with Dapper for five years--so let's give >it a few extra weeks now so that it can be a real asset to the Ubuntu >project for the full duration of its lifespan," Shuttleworth said. > >|more at: http://tinyurl.com/qvzmn| > >Yes!!! > >Is FC5 still planned for March 15? > > March 20th. http://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/ -- Rahul From colin at mysql.com Wed Mar 15 12:11:26 2006 From: colin at mysql.com (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:11:26 +1100 Subject: Being at the MySQL User Conference DotOrg Pavilion Message-ID: <4418046E.4050407@mysql.com> Hi all, Especially those based in San Francisco... The MySQL Users Conference 2006 (http://mysqluc.com/) is on from the 24th-27th April 2006. There's going to be a DotOrg Pavilion, just like there is at the LinuxWorld's we've been to before. The exhibition area is open on the 25th and 26th of April. Keep in mind that *one* full conference pass will be issued to the Fedora booth, so anyone wanting to attend a talk can go ahead and do so Is there interest from the SF-based Fedora folk? Its a great place to push Fedora, as a bunch of other distributions are going to be there, as well as apps that run on top of Fedora (that use MySQL) If there's interest, do drop me a line. We need: * 1 organizer * at least 2-3 booth babes to be with the organizer Thanks! -- Colin Charles, Community Engineer MySQL AB, Melbourne, Australia, www.mysql.com Office: 4528 at sip.mysql.com / +46 18 174 400 ext. 4528 Mobile: +614 12 593 292 / Skype: colincharles Using MySQL for a FLOSS application? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-floss-license-exception.html From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 14:44:00 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:44:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Awesome. Message-ID: As some of you may know, Shadowman from Red Hat Magazine is a very good friend of mine. He passed this along to me to share with the Fedora community. :) --g ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:37:50 -0500 Subject: Ask Shadowman Dear Shadowman, I've got a wallpaper that started as a face drawn with ballpoint pen by my 2-1/2 year old daughter, Mia. I continued where she left off, adding a fedora, shadows, veins (in the eyeballs), a cigarette, a tie and a jacket. Then I scanned it with xsane and used the gimp to add a nice background. Finally, I ripped a Fedora logo from a Fedora Core 5 Test 3 virtual machine (I used gftp to 'send' it to the PC running the virtual machine and added it to the wallpaper with the gimp). Anyway, I have a feeling you'd like it. Where can I send it, so that it can be included with the next release of Fedora Core? The wallpaper is located at http://www.miabrown.com/images/fedora01a.jpg Steve Brown ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 15 14:57:54 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:57:54 +0000 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> "Access Denied." And, um, you do realise that Fedoras, and ripping the logo isn't allowed, yes? Clair On Wednesday 15 March 2006 14:44, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > As some of you may know, Shadowman from Red Hat Magazine is a very good > friend of mine. He passed this along to me to share with the Fedora > community. :) > > --g > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:37:50 -0500 > Subject: Ask Shadowman > > Dear Shadowman, > > I've got a wallpaper that started as a face drawn with ballpoint pen by my > 2-1/2 year old daughter, Mia. I continued where she left off, adding a > fedora, shadows, veins (in the eyeballs), a cigarette, a tie and a jacket. > Then I scanned it with xsane and used the gimp to add a nice background. > Finally, I ripped a Fedora logo from a Fedora Core 5 Test 3 virtual > machine (I used gftp to 'send' it to the PC running the virtual machine > and added it to the wallpaper with the gimp). Anyway, I have a feeling > you'd like it. Where can I send it, so that it can be included with the > next release of Fedora Core? > > The wallpaper is located at http://www.miabrown.com/images/fedora01a.jpg > > Steve Brown > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 15:10:48 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:40:48 +0530 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1142435448.7604.1.camel@linuxbox> On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 09:44 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > As some of you may know, Shadowman from Red Hat Magazine is a very good > friend of mine. He passed this along to me to share with the Fedora > community. :) Passing along self portraits, are we? :D Gja From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 15 15:14:20 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:44:20 +0530 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <44182F4C.8060508@fedoraproject.org> Clair wrote: >"Access Denied." > > works for me. >And, um, you do realise that Fedoras, and ripping the logo isn't allowed, yes? > > > Careful there. We havent established a written set of guidelines yet for using the logo though we have a temporary system in place for now (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo) and we should be doing so as soon as possible and this usage isnt any sort of ripping. Its good that people are passionate about Fedora to play with it and produce these sort of things. We are discussing setting up a gallery to encourage more creative fan artwork and let them share the results with the rest of us in an easy way. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-January/msg00047.html Rahul >On Wednesday 15 March 2006 14:44, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > >>As some of you may know, Shadowman from Red Hat Magazine is a very good >>friend of mine. He passed this along to me to share with the Fedora >>community. :) >> >>--g >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:37:50 -0500 >>Subject: Ask Shadowman >> >>Dear Shadowman, >> >>I've got a wallpaper that started as a face drawn with ballpoint pen by my >>2-1/2 year old daughter, Mia. I continued where she left off, adding a >>fedora, shadows, veins (in the eyeballs), a cigarette, a tie and a jacket. >>Then I scanned it with xsane and used the gimp to add a nice background. >>Finally, I ripped a Fedora logo from a Fedora Core 5 Test 3 virtual >>machine (I used gftp to 'send' it to the PC running the virtual machine >>and added it to the wallpaper with the gimp). Anyway, I have a feeling >>you'd like it. Where can I send it, so that it can be included with the >>next release of Fedora Core? >> >>The wallpaper is located at http://www.miabrown.com/images/fedora01a.jpg >> >>Steve Brown >> >>------------------------------------------------------------- >>Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org >>Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors >>------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>-- >>Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> > >-- >Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- Rahul From filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com Wed Mar 15 15:27:30 2006 From: filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com (Filip Tsachev) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:27:30 +0200 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: On 15/03/06, Clair wrote: > "Access Denied." Works here also > And, um, you do realise that Fedoras, and ripping the logo isn't allowed, yes? What do you mean by ripping the logo? Cheers, Filip From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 15 15:29:47 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:29:47 +0000 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603151529.47490.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:27, Filip Tsachev wrote: > > And, um, you do realise that Fedoras, and ripping the logo isn't allowed, > > yes? > > What do you mean by ripping the logo? The same thing the original poster meant. Clair From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 15:46:51 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:46:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Clair wrote: > And, um, you do realise that Fedoras, and ripping the logo isn't > allowed, yes? Considering I'm the guy who spends more time with the Red Hat lawyers than anyone else in the Fedora community combined, yes -- I'm pretty sure I know what the dos and dont's are. And when a lawyer comes to me and says "this silly mockup on a website is an improper use of our logo," I'm going to point them to this little law called "fair use". Specifically, to the "parody" clause. Protected speech under the US constitution, dontchaknow. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 16:05:53 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:05:53 -0500 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <604aa7910603150805u135879ffve7303fc9e3d7be34@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > And when a lawyer comes to me and says "this silly mockup on a website is > an improper use of our logo," I'm going to point them to this little law > called "fair use". Specifically, to the "parody" clause. Protected > speech under the US constitution, dontchaknow. what is being parodied here? I look at that and I see a parody of shadowman... not a parody of "fedora." I mention it, because there are established limits on how protected mark A can be used in a composition parodying protect mark B. If he had made a parody of the fedora mark in the same style as his free-handed shadowman i think your lawyers wouldn't even have batted an eye. As it stands, they might rapidly blink for a few seconds like they are staring into the sun when they see that image. A not completely unrelated situation occured between penny-arcade, a site that does nothing but parody as a genre, and american greetings the owner of the strawberry shortcake marks. A non-lawyer's thoughts on the matter can be found at http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/002368.html -jef"Does the argument I made about the limitation on parody hold up? Who cares.. I got to make a contextual link to the censored penny-arcade comic... which is the real goal of every conversation I get into"spaleta From luya at jpopmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:44:49 2006 From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:44:49 -0800 Subject: Linux.com - First look: Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060315194449.927CA7B53F@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/06/03/08/2321254.shtml?tid=107 This "review" is a questionnable because the author did not mention what test version of Fedora Core 5 is used and there are blabant mistakes such as: "For those who prefer, FC5 also offers the KDE 3.5 and XFce 4 window managers. Both are branded and tweaked to resemble GNOME as much as possible." He failed to mention that KDE 3.5 is available on Core and XFCE4 on Extras. "FC5 includes recent versions of standard software, including Firefox 1.5 and the GIMP 2.2.10. Instead of Sun Java, it installs the GCC 4.1 and tools built with it, such as Eclipse. This decision allows FC5 to use only free software, but often at the cost of slower performance. In OpenOffice.org, for instance, Java-based features such as the basic document wizards open so slowly that you may conclude that the program has frozen before anything happens." Fedora Core never includes proprietairy applications. "FC5 is selective about the GNOME applications it includes. Although the usual panel applications and utilities are installed by default, along with accessibility programs such as Gnopernicus, many standard GNOME applications are not, including the AbiWord word processor and Gnumeric spreadsheet. Even some programs new to GNOME 2.14 are excluded, such as Pessulus, Sabayon, and the AlaCarte Menu Editor. In fact, Pessulus, for one, is not even in the package repositories." Abiword duplicated OO.o functionally which is why it is available on Extras repository. Sabayon was already available on FC4 before Gnome 2.13. AlaCarte Menu Editor was formely known as SMEG. Pessulus duplicated functionnality from GConf (correct me on that one) and it is a matter for someone to bring it on Extras. There are more but comments already addressed them. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from [protocol]://mail.jp.popstarmail.org From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:48:39 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:48:39 -0500 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603150805u135879ffve7303fc9e3d7be34@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603150805u135879ffve7303fc9e3d7be34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0603151148o5f3f92cet35d129c6e9e0dbdc@mail.gmail.com> I have to doubt that even a lawyer cares what a 2 1/2 year old girl does with a logo. Well Disney lawyers would have her killed, but they're evil. IANAL but... It's fair use because: -it does not commercially impact the original product -it is not passed off as one's own creation (or has been heavily recontextualized and comprises an original work) -intent But parody and fair use don't apply necessarily, since this is a corporate mark. So... Trademark law: -it only superficially resembles the original mark -it does not cause confusion in the mind of the consumer -it is not used to represent a competing company/product in the same industry -intent A (ahem) "good" lawyer would send a cease and desist, just in case, and likely never even follow up, b/c that's what they do. "Good" trademark and copyright lawyers like a good old fashioned chilling effect more than they like litigation. Where they might--*gasp*--lose. In other words, even if a lawyer says it's wrong, it doesn't mean it is anymore than it's right becasue they don't say anything about it. BTW, Penny Arcade could have won. They needed Shortcake's image of innocence and manufactured air of wholesomeness in order to juxtapose it and deliver "the shock of the unexpected" (from defense arguments in Disney v. the crators of Mickey v. The Air Pirates.) They backed down on the grounds of not caring enough of a shit to deal with it. American Greetings was just about ot re-launch the brand, and would have fought to the quick, and maybe even won, and set yet another horrible precedent for frivolous suits. --jeremy On 3/15/06, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On 3/15/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > And when a lawyer comes to me and says "this silly mockup on a website > is > > an improper use of our logo," I'm going to point them to this little law > > called "fair use". Specifically, to the "parody" clause. Protected > > speech under the US constitution, dontchaknow. > > what is being parodied here? I look at that and I see a parody of > shadowman... not a parody of "fedora." I mention it, because there > are established limits on how protected mark A can be used in a > composition parodying protect mark B. If he had made a parody of the > fedora mark in the same style as his free-handed shadowman i think > your lawyers wouldn't even have batted an eye. As it stands, they > might rapidly blink for a few seconds like they are staring into the > sun when they see that image. > > A not completely unrelated situation occured between penny-arcade, a > site that does nothing but parody as a genre, and american greetings > the owner of the strawberry shortcake marks. A non-lawyer's thoughts > on the matter can be found > at http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/002368.html > > -jef"Does the argument I made about the limitation on parody hold up? > Who cares.. I got to make a contextual link to the censored > penny-arcade comic... which is the real goal of every conversation I > get into"spaleta > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 15 19:51:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:21:21 +0530 Subject: First look: Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <44187039.8050402@fedoraproject.org> Hello Bruce Byfield, http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/08/2321254 Thank you for taking the time to review Fedora Core 5 (test 2) and I would like to offer my feedback and comments on the review . My first reaction to seeing this title is confusion over a review about a release that hasnt been made yet. It would been much better to clarify upfront that you are reviewing the second test release. Anaconda not listing reisferfs or other filesystems besides Ext3/ext2 by default is by design since these are not supported by the Fedora project and the provision to install Fedora on other filesystems are only provided for facilitating easy migration. The review says that Anaconda has a long standing problem that crashes if the CD requires cleaning. However I havent run into problem myself. It would be good if you can file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com regarding this to verify and fix this issue. Desktop and software selection The review notes that SELinux slows down GNOME by 60% and this claim is unsubstantiated in the absence of any benchmarks. The second test release had various debugging options which helped find and fix various bugs during the development cycle. An example of such a analysis from Dave Jones, Fedora Kernel maintainer at Red Hat can be found at http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/35270.html. It is very likely that you have seen a slowdown trigged by such debugging patches. Various SELinux performance improvements have also been merged during the comparatively long development cycle of Fedora Core 5. Fedora Core 5 does not have XFCE which is only provided in the Fedora Extras repository. KDE and XFCE are not branded to look like GNOME in Fedora. XFCE and KDE uses BlueCurve while GNOME uses the new Cairo based Clearlooks theme as an example of the differences between them. We do not have detailed performance comparisons between GCJ and Sun Java yet since the current development is focused on completeness and coverage over the standard API in preference to tweaking the performance but if there are significant differences, do let the Fedora Java development team (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-java-list) know about it. Sabayon and Alacarte is offered in Fedora Extras repository though Alacarte is not part of GNOME 2.14 as claimed in the review. Festival, drivers for wacom project and ruby are not new to Fedora Core 5 and have been part of every Fedora release. Ruby does not replace GCJ based applications either. Yum does not replace RPM as claimed in the review and only complements it by adding a automatic dependency resolving tool which uses RPM internally. Pirut only provides a timer with a ability to confirm immediately when there is a additional dependency that is required to update or install a package and does not hide dependencies. Security and Administration system-config-kickstart is not a new tool and again has been in every release of Fedora and Pirut does list dependencies when required which you have even noted earlier as a annoyance. Recommendations The system specifications indicated in the release notes are targeted towards the default package profile and any distribution providing the latest versions of GNOME and KDE would require a very similar configuration to perform well and this does not differ very from from the latest version of Debian or Ubuntu. Fedora Core along with extras offers a choice of several thousand packages and can be tailored to fit the beginner or the super geek. It would help avoid several of these factual mistakes and provide more details if you can contact me during your review period on future occasions. Thank you for your interest in Fedora. -- Rahul From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:52:53 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:52:53 -0500 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <556f970a0603151152u29a33796i4a9d74e31ae07503@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > As some of you may know, Shadowman from Red Hat Magazine is a very good > friend of mine. He confided in me over a beer recently that he hates your guts. Sorry you had to hear it from me. He said--and I quote--"Maybe if he got a hair cut... nah, then he'd just be another jerk with short hair." In your defense, he later sucker punched me after too many Bourbons, and said something about my mother as he left with a waitress under each arm. 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In fact I think the 2 1/2 year old should get a lawyer and sue her dad for duplicating, modifying and re-distributing her orignal work. She could very well grow up to be a very famous artist and her early artwork could endup being valued in the millions. She's easily got her dad over a barrel in terms of lost income based on his misappropriation of her property. Child services might get involved as well because her dad is clearly not acting in the child's best interest. -jef"Does the fedora project want to be associated with smoking? There's another misrepresentation claim right there...."spaleta From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 15 20:11:04 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:11:04 -0800 Subject: First look: Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <44187039.8050402@fedoraproject.org> References: <44187039.8050402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603151211pb92d438va08f3383420711d4@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hello Bruce Byfield, > > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/08/2321254 > > Thank you for taking the time to review Fedora Core 5 (test 2) and I > would like to offer my feedback and comments on the review . Excellent Feedback! Job well done, Rahul, Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Thu Mar 16 00:53:43 2006 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:53:43 -0500 Subject: First look: Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <44187039.8050402@fedoraproject.org> References: <44187039.8050402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1142470423.26710.48.camel@deepfort> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 01:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hello Bruce Byfield, > > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/08/2321254 His review is pure crap, IMHO. Yet another example of journalism lacking decent research and failure to check with the sources. Jack From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 16 01:14:53 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:14:53 -0800 Subject: press release in CVS Message-ID: <1142471694.26415.147.camel@erato.phig.org> cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/marketing-content/FC5-press-release/ make all produces a PDF and POT file. 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 12:38:42 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:38:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora LiveCD build#002 Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, Thanks to FilipTsachev, there WILL BE (in the next few hours) another beta Fedora Core 5 Test 3 based LiveCD available for download. JonFautley said the (previous) ISO downloads had totaled over 90GB in about 5 days. :) Isn't it GREAT ?? :) Thanks again Jon. This is the (long awaited) english version :) About the Live CD The liveCD is gnome-based only. ISO size: 671.4 MB License: same as Fedora Core 5 Test 3 Some New Features: * Choice of keyboard layout, netconfig and timezone * some new Boot Parameters (As RahulSundaram suggested before, "test" is renamed to "debug"). * boot param to boot from harddisk * 2 Users : root and fedora both having "livecd" as password * For user "root", marketing materials on the desktop which might be helpful for Fedora Ambassadors.: (handouts (en,fr),a presentation of gregdek, 2 videos of DavidNalley) * use of splash.lss of the FC5T3 DVD *using F{1,4,5} keys to describe Fedora Project, the License and Optional commands * specify that this is a Fedora Core Live CD during the booting process * Among the default FC5T3 packages, the following packages have been updated : firefox (1.5.5.0.1-7), fedora-logos (1.1.4.2-1), redhat-artwork (0.241-1) and redhat-menus (6.7.5-1) Once again, Im pointing out that not all packages could be included in this Livecd :( Ill update the builds wiki later on, once I get myself some sleep :) Filip will give the link later on. Ambassadors should not forget this ============================= For user "root", marketing materials on the desktop which might be helpful for Fedora Ambassadors.: (handouts (en,fr),a presentation of gregdek, 2 videos of DavidNalley) ============================= Visit my blog http://clunixchit.blogspot.com and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/builds Cheers, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 12:51:34 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:51:34 +0100 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> Hai there Ill talk about a Mandriva Install Party in Strasbourg later on which Im planning to attend. Why? of course not to install Mandriva, but rather know how they are doing :) Ive made a draft Impress presentation for FC5 with the beats and PressRelease materials, if ever I found time to give a preview of FC5 over there :) I have not yet completed it. ( http://beta.glwb.info/FC5LIVEFedora.odp ) Anything I missed ? Im thinking too to add it in the livecd :) give your comments & suggestions. Bob, you told me on irc that you are working on a draft. Maybe this might help you :) or Maybe you have something more complete than mine. ps: I won't be able to attend the Meeting today. Cheers, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 13:06:25 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:06:25 +0100 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160506u59373461q79004534534050ae@mail.gmail.com> Mandriva INSTALL Party Programme, that Im going to attend this sunday 19 March Location : rue des Magasins, Strasbourg, France Organizer: Supinfo (www.labo-linux.org) and Mandriva * 09h00 : Introduction * 10h00 : Presentation of Mandriva and SUPINFO * 10h30 : Pr?sentation : Linux and multim?dia - Videolan - Jinzora (http://www.jinzora.org) - Geexbox (http://www.geexbox.org) * 11h15 : Pause * 11h30 : Presentation : Linux and Internet - OpenXchange - Mozilla : Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird... - OpenOffice * 12h00 : XGL * 12h30 : Questions and Answers * 13h00 : Lunch * 14h30 : install Party Mandriva (installation of Xgl included) What's funny is that for that particulier day "Mandriva offers 20% reduction on their products to users". my contact: Sylvain BLOT Member of labo-linux.org -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Mar 16 13:08:12 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: First look: Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <1142512697.2617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060316130812.19167.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > The word "journalism" is often generously bestowed on what I think > is better called "blogging." At least blogging has a peer-review element to it. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 13:11:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:41:32 +0530 Subject: First look: Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <20060316130812.19167.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060316130812.19167.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44196404.8010100@fedoraproject.org> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >"Paul W. Frields" wrote: > > >>The word "journalism" is often generously bestowed on what I think >>is better called "blogging." >> >> > >At least blogging has a peer-review element to it. ;-> > > > > We shouldnt be spending time dissing the media. If there is anything useful that needs to be done, lets do that instead. -- Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 13:17:20 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:17:20 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > Fedora Core 5 final is going to be released on the targeted March 20th date. > Why not try to build a FC5 ISO, rather than a FC5 test 3 ISO with buggy > packages that have updates? I don't have FC5 iso yet. This iso I have built on sunday. but due to certain difficulties encountered with the upload , Filip managed to make it possible for me to upload the iso last night. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 12:37:09 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:37:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora LiveCD build#002 Message-ID: <44195BF5.1000706@adelphia.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > > >> Fedora Core 5 final is going to be released on the targeted March >> 20th date. >> Why not try to build a FC5 ISO, rather than a FC5 test 3 ISO with buggy >> packages that have updates? >> > > > I don't have FC5 iso yet. > This iso I have built on sunday. > but due to certain difficulties encountered with the upload , Filip > managed to make it possible for me to upload the iso last night. > > Well, not many people would have the FC5 final yet. That is besides the point of the question. The point of the question is why are you building and trying to distribute "90GB" of buggy software packages that have updates from a development tree, rather than build something that is deemed stable/fixed. Do you know how many of those packages have had high priority security updates? Fedora Core 5 is right around the corner. J. Hartline From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 12:47:02 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:47:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <44195E46.6000107@adelphia.net> Filip Tsachev wrote: >On 16/03/06, J. Hartline wrote: > > >>The point of the question is why are you building and trying to >>distribute "90GB" >>of buggy software packages that have updates from a development tree, >>rather than build something that is >>deemed stable/fixed. Do you know how many of those packages have had >>high priority security updates? >>Fedora Core 5 is right around the corner. >> >> >I think it's clear that it's a test release, I also think we all use >this test release for ourselves? 20th or March will not be the end of >updates...to the distibution, I see it as pretty much the same if >you're distributing Fedora 5test3 installation/live media, no? > > No. Test releases are for testers, hence "test 1,2,3". You can't update LiveCD media. Plus, test 3 was released a looooong time ago. Fedora Core 5 should be here in about 4 days, give or take a day depending on your timezone. J. Hartline From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Mar 16 13:47:51 2006 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:47:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060316134751.77445.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, This is very good, can I translate and use this for a presentation next month? Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Menezes Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: Hai there Ill talk about a Mandriva Install Party in Strasbourg later on which Im planning to attend. Why? of course not to install Mandriva, but rather know how they are doing :) Ive made a draft Impress presentation for FC5 with the beats and PressRelease materials, if ever I found time to give a preview of FC5 over there :) I have not yet completed it. ( http://beta.glwb.info/FC5LIVEFedora.odp ) Anything I missed ? Im thinking too to add it in the livecd :) give your comments & suggestions. Bob, you told me on irc that you are working on a draft. Maybe this might help you :) or Maybe you have something more complete than mine. ps: I won't be able to attend the Meeting today. Cheers, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador agora! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 13:52:32 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:52:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > Well, not many people would have the FC5 final yet. > That is besides the point of the question. > > The point of the question is why are you building and trying to > distribute "90GB" > of buggy software packages that have updates from a development tree, > rather than build something that is > deemed stable/fixed. Do you know how many of those packages have had > high priority security updates? > Fedora Core 5 is right around the corner. Well I start over again the discussion we had before: Whether its FC5 or FC5T3, it doesn't matter that much, since FC5 is not yet released. 1. it is a beta LiveCD release in English that many ambassadors requested to me 2. to know what features are lacking in our livecds: e.g. eject upon reboot/halt , autologin ..... 3. WE CANT MAKE A FEDORA OFFICIAL LIVECD ALL A SUDDEN we have to know what is the FEDORA COMMUNITY demanding ? 4. prepare SUITABLE materials for Fedora Ambassadors and add THEIR favorite packages (we have to know all these) ..................... Mether, did explain last time on Livecd list i think Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 13:00:54 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:00:54 -0500 Subject: Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44196186.9070404@adelphia.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Well I start over again the discussion we had before: >Whether its FC5 or FC5T3, it doesn't matter that much, since FC5 is >not yet released. > >1. it is a beta LiveCD release in English that many ambassadors requested to me > > Right. Which would mean only Fedora Ambassadors should be able to access it. Not for millions of people worldwide to download "90 GB" of it. >2. to know what features are lacking in our livecds: > e.g. eject upon reboot/halt , autologin ..... > > I understand the concept of usage by application. e.g. putting it to actual use and evaluating things from that perspective. I don't think this requires test release packages though. >3. WE CANT MAKE A FEDORA OFFICIAL LIVECD ALL A SUDDEN >we have to know what is the FEDORA COMMUNITY demanding ? >4. prepare SUITABLE materials for Fedora Ambassadors and add THEIR >favorite packages (we have to know all these) >..................... >Mether, did explain last time on Livecd list i think > >Chitlesh > > I haven't yet to this day seen a package list submitted, and I can explicitly post the mails to fedora-livecd-list where I requested this numerous times, if there was one someone had in mind. Do you have a package list of the "Fedora Core 5 Test 3 LiveCD"? J. Hartline From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 14:04:38 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160604j464a3e23v816cea64180bf975@mail.gmail.com> If anyone has any suggestions he/ she is welcome. Ive created a table "proposals" in this wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/builds Please add issues you think that it would be good to have in the livecd. Seriously we have to move forward. Jasper can you add a notice on that table concerning my packages? Ill work on them later on. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 13:16:40 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:16:40 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160604j464a3e23v816cea64180bf975@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603160604j464a3e23v816cea64180bf975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44196538.9010102@adelphia.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Jasper can you add a notice on that table concerning my packages? >Ill work on them later on. > > No. 1) There was a package list already added within the last hour, so I don't know why you are asking. 2) It is unethical to edit another user's wiki page HomePage. 3) User's do not have permission within the wiki to edit another user's wiki HomePage. I don't know why you think it would be this way. I certainly wouldn't want anyone modifying mine. That could lead to serious responsibilty problems, such as forbidden content posted on a user's homepage. Like claiming Fedora Core belongs to them here "Fedora Live CD is MY product. Yes, MINE because it is NOT yet OFFICIAL." on your homepage. That could be considered violation of IP rights, or anything else. Just as an example. J. Hartline From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 14:11:22 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:11:22 +0100 Subject: Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <44196186.9070404@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <44195AFC.50405@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160552r4e8ea519x3be147e183ba8a9f@mail.gmail.com> <44196186.9070404@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603160611j245cdf5ave4a654449f29d34c@mail.gmail.com> > Do you have a package list of the "Fedora Core 5 Test 3 LiveCD"? > > J. Hartline > Just added it here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/builds Nevertheless Ive mentioned: >> Ill update the builds wiki later on, once I get myself some sleep :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 16 14:23:40 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:23:40 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > >>Fedora Core 5 final is going to be released on the targeted March 20th date. >>Why not try to build a FC5 ISO, rather than a FC5 test 3 ISO with buggy >>packages that have updates? > > > I don't have FC5 iso yet. > This iso I have built on sunday. > but due to certain difficulties encountered with the upload , Filip > managed to make it possible for me to upload the iso last night. I do not want do dismiss by any means your great work in producing this so much needed LiveCD, but leave me outline what will happen in practice and why I think releasing now a LiveCD of Test3 is unfortunate: - the release of FC5 is due in 4 days from now, this mean it will start to propagate to mirrors a few days in advance; - it *will* hit torrent sites immediately after the propagation start, which effectively will be at the same time with the availability of the LiveCD; - a large people will confuse the two, considering the LiveCD to represent the final FC5, due to the apparent simultaneous release. You can't limit the spread of the LiveCD and a tag on it stating "Test3" will not be enough. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 15:16:18 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:16:18 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > You can't limit the spread of the LiveCD and a tag on it stating "Test3" > will not be enough. I absolutely agree that labeling a release of anything a test release will never be enough to prevent a segment of the userbase from downloading it mistakenly. But i very strongly disagree that this is a problem worth worrying about. I think its more important to move forward with livecd development as quickly as possible then to protect those users who are so stupid they miss the fact that its a test release. Document its test status, make it visually obvious at install time that its a test release... use a different mechanism for releasing than the official releases (ie not on the offcial fedora torrent server)....and let the buyer beware. This isn't a particularly dissimilar situation have happened in the past when the 64bit and ppc versions of fedora was in "beta." when core cut an official release. You have to remember that the 64bit and ppc trees started as unofficial release trees which had their own development timeline before finally becoming an official tree with a synced release. -jef"I'm the pope of the fedora religion, and I like wearing funny hats"spaleta From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 14:52:13 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >I absolutely agree that labeling a release of anything a test release >will never be enough to prevent a segment of the userbase from >downloading it mistakenly. But i very strongly disagree that this is a >problem worth worrying about. > Well, that isn't the only thing that sticks out as a problem. I'm fairly sure many would agree that a Live media of a test release that was issued many many days ago, the packages are now obsolete. I'm not sure if you know, but you can't just "yum update" LiveCDs. J. Hartline. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 15:57:23 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:27:23 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <44198AE3.6060509@fedoraproject.org> J. Hartline wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> I absolutely agree that labeling a release of anything a test release >> will never be enough to prevent a segment of the userbase from >> downloading it mistakenly. But i very strongly disagree that this is a >> problem worth worrying about. >> > Well, that isn't the only thing that sticks out as a problem. > I'm fairly sure many would agree that a Live media of a test release > that was > issued many many days ago, the packages are now obsolete. Then we will have a new version later. Fedora gets updated pretty frequently and this is always going to be an issue. > > I'm not sure if you know, but you can't just "yum update" LiveCDs. > > J. Hartline. > Everybody knows about live CD's and updates. -- Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 16:17:54 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > Well, that isn't the only thing that sticks out as a problem. > I'm fairly sure many would agree that a Live media of a test release > that was issued many many days ago, the packages are now obsolete. what the specific package payload looks like in a TEST of the livecd is a function of the engineering goals which the TEST release of the livecd needs to achieve. If the developer pushing the developerment forward needs to spin a test release to test factors that need to be worked out which do not require the final package payload...then it makes absolutely perfect sense. > I'm not sure if you know, but you can't just "yum update" LiveCDs. Who gives a crap, its a test release. If there are technical issues with livecds which have absolute nothing to do with which versions of which applications are available that need testing, the developer pushing things forward should spin a test release and provide those of us who are willing to help test the specific guidance to focus our efforts. Noone forces anyone to be involved in every round of testing. If you don't want to participate in this round of testing.. then don't.. get the hell out of the way and wait till the next test release. I'm personally in favor of as many incremental test release isos as possible to work out bugs in as much livecd specific behavior as possible for the very reason that you CANT yum update later on to solve problems in the final release. The more incremental livecd betas I can eat now, with specific guidance as to what features need testing between releases, the more likely a bug won't slip through to screw up the final release. If you don't have the bandwidth or the time to be a part of every release in the test process, then skip some. Hell, in my ideal world Chitlesh would be able to automate nightly timestamped livecd iso which incorporated daily changes, so I could track specific issues on a daily basis. More testable releases not fewer.... release early release often. -jef From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 15:35:11 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >Hell, in my ideal world Chitlesh would be able to automate nightly >timestamped livecd iso which incorporated daily changes, so I could >track specific issues on a daily basis. More testable releases not >fewer.... release early release often. > >-jef > > > My primary argument wasn't about how many, it was about age. Test 3 packages from the 4.92 tree are already: 16-Feb-2006 14:55 exactly 1 month old. I am positive this is unclear in my messages. I think what is ideal is not using month old release packages from a test release when Fedora Core 5 final targeted release date is in 4 days. Did anyone consider building these daily CDs yet? Has anyone actually considered people filing bugs that are already fixed? I wouldn't imagine so, not that I have heard of. Why not do as you are suggesting and build? (From todays packages, not yesterdays, yesterday being a month.) J. Hartline From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 17:00:08 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:00:08 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910603160900l68f183eci546c6df82002b1@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, J. Hartline wrote: > I wouldn't imagine so, not that I have heard of. > Why not do as you are suggesting and build? > (From todays packages, not yesterdays, yesterday being a month.) If there infrastructure is not in place to spin up nightly builds it still makes perfect sense to keep a defined... old...package payload.. if you are working on livecd specific features which have very little to do with specific application versions. The underlying concept is which I seem to be unable to communicate to you is.. testing incremental changes. If you do not have the infrastructure to roll nightly builds, which incorporate incremental changes made every day, then you can force portions of the system to be static and make incremental changes based on segregated functionality. You update a portion of the system with specific functionality testing in mind... and then move on to another portion of the system in a later build. Jumping in and making a new build now which incorporates all package payload changes as well as livecd customization features is NOT incremental. All you end up doing is building a livecd that is completely different from the last build making it difficult to compare behavior across builds and narrow down problems. If too many things change between one build and the next it becomes much more difficult to effectively track what causes regressions or new problems. Pooping out a build that incorporates a significantly different payload AND more livecd specific customizations compared to the last build makes it that much harder to track the cause of new regressions or new bugs. For test builds to be worthwhile for the actual process of testing, the changes between builds can't be "too big". My desire to see nightly builds has absolutely nothing to do with a desire to see latest packages.. my desire is to see as small a set of incremental changes between livecd builds as possible. I frankly do not care if the nightly builds track rawhide or track week old rawhide.. or month old rawhide. I care about managable incremental changes between the livecd builds to make it easier to troubleshoot problems in the livecd itself. -jef In the case of this build, there are a number of LiveCD specific customization which are not dependant on specific application payload which need to be tested. Changing the package payload only complicates the process of testing that functionality. If you make too many changes, it because harder to do any targeted testing for any functionality. From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Mar 16 18:01:14 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:01:14 -0600 Subject: Introducing Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <1142532074.504.17.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Hi Marketing Project and Ambassadors, I have finished the base of my Slide Show for my "Introducing Fedora Core 5" presentation to my LUG. Much of it was based on the FC5 Release notes. The target audience is mostly Administrators with some Red Hat Linux or Fedora Core experience, be it good or bad. The slide show has been uploaded to the Wiki, you can find a link on my Wiki Page or the Presentations page. Please download it and give me feedback. This is my first slide show so I hope I have done a good job, if not do tell me. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please download it and give me feedback. This is my > first slide show so I hope I have done a good job, if not do tell me. > > -- > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Marketing Projects > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen Hi Bob, Excellent job on your slides! Regarding the codename, I don't want to be the guy spoils the surprise but there is a *credible* piece of information found at http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/406 Sorry I can't reveal his identity. :) Cheers! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Mar 16 18:34:41 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:34:41 -0600 Subject: Introducing Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603161015i432ba1c7lcae0a41fd1951c7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142532074.504.17.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <369bce3b0603161015i432ba1c7lcae0a41fd1951c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142534081.504.25.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 10:15 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Excellent job on your slides! > > Regarding the codename, I don't want to be the guy spoils the surprise > but there is a *credible* piece of information found at > http://URLREMOVED/ > > Sorry I can't reveal his identity. :) > > Cheers! > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung Thomas, Thanks for the Feedback. I left the Codename out for a reason. I was told it in confidence, my understanding was that I would only use it in my work related with the release notes. I am aware of the "leak" but it is not my place to "gain fame" from announcing it prematurely. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Thu Mar 16 17:36:52 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603160900l68f183eci546c6df82002b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160900l68f183eci546c6df82002b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419A234.3030903@adelphia.net> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >The underlying concept is which I seem to be unable to communicate to >you is.. testing incremental changes. If you do not have the >infrastructure to roll nightly builds, which incorporate incremental >changes made every day, then you can force portions of the system to >be static and make incremental changes based on segregated >functionality. You update a portion of the system with specific >functionality testing in mind... and then move on to another portion >of the system in a later build. > > > Ok. Let's make sure users getting these Live discs know the Fedora Core LiveCD is a component in bugzilla at the least, it can be found under "Fedora Core" as component "LiveCD". >In the case of this build, there are a number of LiveCD specific >customization which are not dependant on specific application payload >which need to be tested. Changing the package payload only complicates >the process of testing that functionality. If you make too many >changes, it because harder to do any targeted testing for any >functionality. > > I'll admit, I have been grossly uninformed about the Fedora LiveCD for some time. It wasn't until just a few days ago that it was brought to my attention all of this discussion was happenning on the fedora-marketing-list rather than fedora-livecd-list. I'm subscribed now, so.. hello! Thanks. J. Hartline From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 18:38:24 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:38:24 -0500 Subject: Introducing Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <1142534081.504.25.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1142532074.504.17.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <369bce3b0603161015i432ba1c7lcae0a41fd1951c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1142534081.504.25.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910603161038m7c46fbcaode53140cf1ded587@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > I left the Codename out for a reason. I was told it in confidence, my > understanding was that I would only use it in my work related with the > release notes. I am aware of the "leak" but it is not my place to "gain > fame" from announcing it prematurely. Why shoot for fame.. when you can have infamy by leaking the wrong name just to confuse everyone. -jef"Ah, Dusty! Infamous is when you're more than famous! This guy El Guapo is not just famous, he's IN-famous! - Three Amigos"spaleta From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 18:56:59 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:56:59 -0800 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hai there > Ill talk about a Mandriva Install Party in Strasbourg later on which > Im planning to attend. > > Why? of course not to install Mandriva, but rather know how they are doing :) Hi Chitlesh, I would like to ask you take every caution in Mandriva Install Party since you're a Fedora Ambassador and represent Fedora Project. Sorry, if sounded more like *concerned* mom. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 19:32:06 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:32:06 +0100 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> > Hi Chitlesh, > > I would like to ask you take every caution in Mandriva Install Party > since you're a Fedora Ambassador and represent Fedora Project. > > Sorry, if sounded more like *concerned* mom. :) Don't worry the objective of going there, is mostly to * learn new things and * see how they organise the install party. * meet other people in the linux world. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 16 19:37:56 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:37:56 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <4419A234.3030903@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <4419563F.5010305@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160900l68f183eci546c6df82002b1@mail.gmail.com> <4419A234.3030903@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603161137k6de0a6cfg905179a9279b0889@mail.gmail.com> I appreciate that you are sharing some ideas. Nevertheless I don't have a server to upload my builds. Filip offered me the chance to upload, so from here you can download it http://alphonsebrown.no-ip.org/free/fedora-livecd/ -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 16 20:59:32 2006 From: filip.tsachev at fedora.redhat.com (Filip Tsachev) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:59:32 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora LiveCD build#002 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603161137k6de0a6cfg905179a9279b0889@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160438j416d94f5k8a1cfd0c8ff3503@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603160517g2a8c8824s7a82432113d2b43d@mail.gmail.com> <441974EC.4040606@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910603160716x4b8ebc97k76bad13006e47153@mail.gmail.com> <44197B9D.9020906@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160817l5051d56by189aa1fe09a2a716@mail.gmail.com> <441985AF.7070700@adelphia.net> <604aa7910603160900l68f183eci546c6df82002b1@mail.gmail.com> <4419A234.3030903@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0603161137k6de0a6cfg905179a9279b0889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 16/03/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > I appreciate that you are sharing some ideas. > Nevertheless I don't have a server to upload my builds. > Filip offered me the chance to upload, so from here you can download it > http://alphonsebrown.no-ip.org/free/fedora-livecd/ I'm currently including a DO_README stating this is a test build which is old, and that I'll be releasing an "PreFC5_test3_20060317" version (let some time to finish updating repo & createrepo) Cheers, Filip From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 02:54:52 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:54:52 -0500 Subject: Awesome. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603151206s64dc6ceft12a10dcc77ab2f50@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603151457.54967.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603150805u135879ffve7303fc9e3d7be34@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0603151148o5f3f92cet35d129c6e9e0dbdc@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910603151206s64dc6ceft12a10dcc77ab2f50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0603161854k7a130915g64c567dec693fba6@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/06, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > She's easily got her dad over a barrel in terms of lost > income based on his misappropriation of her property. > She can later pen a tell-all, and star as herself in the made-for-tv movie, deftly going from scandal to pop-kitsch icon a la Patt Hearst. It's in her best interest that we sue one or both of them now, and get this train wreck rolling. --jeremy "hooked on hyphens" hogan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Se quiser enviar info do Projeto Fedora Brasil como > complementar a este email, fique ? vontade. > > Novamente, n?o vamos comprar briga. Simplesmente porque n?o vale a pena > gastar tempo e energia com isso ;)) > > Abs, > - > db > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > RE: [Fedora-trans-pt_br] Novato > From: > "cristiano furtado" > Date: > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:02:27 +0000 > To: > fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > > To: > fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from pobox.brisbane.redhat.com ([unix socket]) by > pobox.brisbane.redhat.com (Cyrus v2.1.12) with LMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 > 11:02:58 +1000 > X-Sieve: > CMU Sieve 2.2 > Received: > from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) > by pobox.brisbane.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id > k2G12uaY004732 for ; Thu, 16 Mar > 2006 11:02:57 +1000 > Received: > from mx1.util.phx.redhat.com (mx1.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.92]) by > int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k2G12t111290 for > ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:55 -0500 > Received: > from hormel.redhat.com (hormel.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.111]) by > mx1.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2G12ouD002863 for > ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:50 -0500 > Received: > from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com > [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F4B73007; > Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:50 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) > by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id > k2G12lJr012264 for ; > Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:48 -0500 > Received: > from mx3.redhat.com (mx3.redhat.com [172.16.48.32]) by > int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k2G12l111261 for > ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:47 -0500 > Received: > from hotmail.com (bay105-f9.bay105.hotmail.com [65.54.224.19]) by > mx3.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2G12Ygd004479 for > ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:02:40 -0500 > Received: > from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 > Mar 2006 17:02:29 -0800 > Message-ID: > > Received: > from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 > Mar 2006 01:02:27 GMT > X-Originating-IP: > [201.50.230.122] > X-Originating-Email: > [shsjasonn at hotmail.com] > X-Sender: > shsjasonn at hotmail.com > In-Reply-To: > <1142469553.3475.13.camel at axp2600> > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > X-OriginalArrivalTime: > 16 Mar 2006 01:02:29.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C270370:01C64895] > X-RedHat-Spam-Score: > 0 > X-loop: > fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > X-BeenThere: > fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > X-Mailman-Version: > 2.1.5 > Precedence: > junk > Reply-To: > fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > List-Id: > fedora-trans-pt_br.redhat.com > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > List-Archive: > > List-Post: > > List-Help: > > List-Subscribe: > , > > Sender: > fedora-trans-pt_br-bounces at redhat.com > Errors-To: > fedora-trans-pt_br-bounces at redhat.com > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > quoted-printable > > > Hoje trabalhamos da seguinte forma, passamos sites com howto para fedora > para a equipe que nos ajuda em tradu??es e eles nos mandam a tradu??o. > Logo, postamos o tutorial ou algo relacionado ao fedora com os cr?ditos > da pessoa. Fico feliz em vc se dispor a ajudar, pois temos dado sorte > para pessoas para tradu??o. Hoje ja temos 6 pessoas para tradu??o de > ingl?s, espanhol, e at? alem?o :). > Bom caso esteja com interesse mesmo fa?a o seguinte, mande um email para > fedora at fedora.org.br para que todos os administradores possam ver ok? > n?s somos l? uma equipe e todos passamos os assuntos a frente ok? > Bem vindo. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Cristiano Furtado dos Santos > Administrador de Sistemas Linux > Salvador - Bahia > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> From: Igor Pires Soares >> Reply-To: fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com >> To: fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com >> Subject: [Fedora-trans-pt_br] Novato >> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:39:13 -0300 >> >> Ol??, Pessoal >> Estou entrando para o projeto agora e gostaria de ajudar no que >> for poss??vel para que o processo de tradu????o seja cada vez mais >> amplo e que ajude a ado????o do Fedora no Brasil. Para que isso seja >> poss??vel, gostaria de obter informa????es acerca dos projetos atuais >> e futuros e como posso contribuir para eles. Tenho um bom conhecimento >> em Ingl??s e mais recentemente tenho aprendido um pouco de >> espanhol tamb??m. Tenho uma d??vida a respeito de qual idioma usar para >> escrever e como deve ser o formato das mensagens. Espero >> que seja o in??cio de um grande trabalho, s??rio e de longo prazo. >> >> >> Grato, >> Igor P. Soares > > > >> -- >> Fedora-trans-pt_br mailing list >> Fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-pt_br > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br > > -- > Fedora-trans-pt_br mailing list > Fedora-trans-pt_br at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-pt_br > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEGjthPg3HAC1vlg4RApvsAJ9Tbxs859OfXtT7lQuXT6oButCXDACgoPhz iklxlGjvsjjVZtpupmpCc5c= =8pTn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 19:10:23 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:10:23 +0000 Subject: An idea re ambassadors Message-ID: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school about fedora. So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and telling people on the street won't be neglected. I'd be willing to run the project. What does everyone think? From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 19:19:31 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:19:31 -0500 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and > telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > I'd be willing to run the project. > > > What does everyone think? I personally avoid random people who attempt to talk to me about things that I have not already expressed an interest in as I'm walking down the street or in an public space. I personally despise aggressive one-on-one sales tactics for any service, product or religion and I would be unhappy if these tactics became the prefered mechanisms by which to inform the average person as to what Fedora is. -jef"don't take it personally.. i just hate people"spaleta From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 19:21:16 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:21:16 +0000 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 17 March 2006 19:19, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: > > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, > > and telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > > > I'd be willing to run the project. > > > > > > What does everyone think? > > I personally avoid random people who attempt to talk to me about > things that I have not already expressed an interest in as I'm walking > down the street or in an public space. I personally despise aggressive > one-on-one sales tactics for any service, product or religion and I > would be unhappy if these tactics became the prefered mechanisms by > which to inform the average person as to what Fedora is. The idea is not not go to people "on the street" - it's to chat to people, like schools, friends, coworkers, people who ask your advice, etc. Clair From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Fri Mar 17 19:32:35 2006 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:32:35 -0600 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142623956.504.40.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 14:19 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: > > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and > > telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > > > I'd be willing to run the project. > > > > > > What does everyone think? > > I personally avoid random people who attempt to talk to me about > things that I have not already expressed an interest in as I'm walking > down the street or in an public space. I personally despise aggressive > one-on-one sales tactics for any service, product or religion and I > would be unhappy if these tactics became the prefered mechanisms by > which to inform the average person as to what Fedora is. > > -jef"don't take it personally.. i just hate people"spaleta Hey Jef, I think what Clair is suggesting is to have a more "personal" feel to some of our works. Perhaps an option with a little less formality in how we can present Fedora to people that are interested. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Marketing Projects http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hugo at devin.com.br Fri Mar 17 19:36:41 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:36:41 -0300 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> Clair wrote: > On Friday 17 March 2006 19:19, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >>On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: >> >>>This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, >>>and telling people on the street won't be neglected. >>> >>>I'd be willing to run the project. >>> >>> >>>What does everyone think? >> >>I personally avoid random people who attempt to talk to me about >>things that I have not already expressed an interest in as I'm walking >>down the street or in an public space. I personally despise aggressive >>one-on-one sales tactics for any service, product or religion and I >>would be unhappy if these tactics became the prefered mechanisms by >>which to inform the average person as to what Fedora is. > > The idea is not not go to people "on the street" - it's to chat to people, > like schools, friends, coworkers, people who ask your advice, etc. Provide pamphlets and papers to put on Universities and Schools. And give informative texts to those that are interested. This gives the idea, and don't bother anyone :) -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 17 19:33:26 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603171133n2ae24bc0v26f8519d700e3e16@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Clair wrote: > Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with > ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather > than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school > about fedora. +1 I think this should be about 70% of any ambassadors contribution listen to Fedora Reloaded 4 Podcast as from 16:00 minutes > So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go > around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's > questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be > about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. Honesty I don't want to break the ambassador project into two parts but instead let's include it within the ambassador project. > This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and > telling people on the street won't be neglected. > > I'd be willing to run the project. > > > What does everyone think? you will have my support too. :) remember, this should be well documented, at least with q&a :) Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 19:45:16 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:45:16 -0500 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> Message-ID: <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Hugo Cisneiros wrote: > Provide pamphlets and papers to put on Universities and Schools. You mean like the handouts i get for adult entertainment when I'm in NYC? -jef"how about we skip the tree-killing and just send out bulk email spam to everyone in every fedora user's addressbook. No no its not a worm.. its a feature of the Fedora project"spaleta From Michael at phoronix.com Fri Mar 17 20:04:26 2006 From: Michael at phoronix.com (Michael Larabel) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:04:26 -0500 Subject: Phoronix.com - Interview: Greg DeKoenigsberg Message-ID: <441B164A.5010309@phoronix.com> Good Day, An interview of Fedora/Red Hat's Greg DeKoenigsberg has been posted. This interview relates largely to the new implementations found in Fedora Core 5 as well as some general information pertaining to the Fedora Project. http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=6081 Regards, Michael Larabel From hugo at devin.com.br Fri Mar 17 20:08:56 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:08:56 -0300 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441B1758.3050000@devin.com.br> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 3/17/06, Hugo Cisneiros wrote: > >>Provide pamphlets and papers to put on Universities and Schools. > > You mean like the handouts i get for adult entertainment when I'm in NYC? Good trolling! :P It's to put on universities "notes" in the wall (i don't know how to say this in english), for anyone interested. And provide ways to students and people to know more about Fedora that maybe they don't know that exists ;) > -jef"how about we skip the tree-killing and just send out bulk email > spam to everyone in every fedora user's addressbook. No no its not a > worm.. its a feature of the Fedora project"spaleta I like your signatures -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 20:47:25 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:47:25 -0500 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <441B1758.3050000@devin.com.br> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> <441B1758.3050000@devin.com.br> Message-ID: <604aa7910603171247t6703deddk1484e6de1249c2b5@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Hugo Cisneiros wrote: > It's to put on universities "notes" in the wall (i don't know how to say > this in english), for anyone interested. And provide ways to students > and people to know more about Fedora that maybe they don't know that > exists ;) If the goal is to construct..passive.. advertisement campaigns... i think you should think about working backwards from comprehensive reference material... towards centralized streamlined informational material... to interactive evaluation material..and then finally worry about the paper flyers last. Flyers aren't particularly useful by themselves. Flyers are a "hook" which create brand identity and instruct people how to retrieve more information. Unless you have the more informative information ready to roll, the man-on-the-street pamplets aren't worth the paper they are printed on. This makes much much more sense to worry about once there is a livecd/virtual image people can consume and play with. I caution you to making a scattered large group of individuals the focal point for information retrieval. I believe it would be best to work towards making sure local lugs are up to speed on fedora and let lugs build larger bridges to the non-linux users regardless of distribution as a central repository of linux knowledge in the area. -jef" Interested in learning about Fedora Linux? Are you a HOT chick? Then contact campus_geek at yourcampus.edu for personal lessons on using Fedora "spaleta From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 17 22:03:12 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:03:12 -0800 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603171247t6703deddk1484e6de1249c2b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> <441B1758.3050000@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171247t6703deddk1484e6de1249c2b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603171403x6851a922g16374abbbd94c7dc@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >... I believe it would be best to > work towards making sure local lugs are up to speed on fedora and let > lugs build larger bridges to the non-linux users regardless of > distribution as a central repository of linux knowledge in the area. +1 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 18 02:05:39 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:35:39 +0530 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <1142647539.8755.3.camel@linuxbox> On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 19:10 +0000, Clair wrote: > So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go > around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's > questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be > about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. Stupid Idea to start a new project for this... This is exactly the Ambassador's purpose We should be doing this along with the events From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Sat Mar 18 02:52:07 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:52:07 -0000 (GMT) Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <1142647539.8755.3.camel@linuxbox> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142647539.8755.3.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <51836.192.168.0.4.1142650327.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 19:10 +0000, Clair wrote: >> So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to >> go >> around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's >> questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will >> be >> about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. > > Stupid Idea to start a new project for this... Thanks! :) > This is exactly the Ambassador's purpose > > We should be doing this along with the events Yeah, but it isn't happening.. :) Clair From aks.abhishek at gmail.com Sat Mar 18 06:24:11 2006 From: aks.abhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Singh) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:09:11 +0545 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <51836.192.168.0.4.1142650327.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142647539.8755.3.camel@linuxbox> <51836.192.168.0.4.1142650327.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <73396bd30603172224x32598f86v69614c960e5eb126@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, I also think that spreading words about Fedora via Libraries, Universities, local LUGs would be better (moreover in the context of a developing countries like Nepal). Here, in Nepal, we don't have any FUDCON or such big events, what we do is to to communicate through LUGs, organise seminars. One of the way is to install Fedora in local Cyber Internet Cafe as well where different people come to surf Interent. The Cafe owner would become free from the hassles of Worms, Viruses and keyloggers (obviusly made for MS Windows) and could provide hassle free service to its customers. As well this will let the customers feel safe to browse internet from there. Moreover, we're observing CAN InfoTech (a mid-sized event organised by Computer Association of Nepal) on 23rd March, 2006. So If I could get some promotional materials regarding FC5, it would be nice for me to demonstrate and distribute FC5 at the event. Regards Abhishek Singh On 3/18/06, Clair wrote: > > Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 19:10 +0000, Clair wrote: > >> So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to > >> go > >> around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's > >> questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will > >> be > >> about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. > > > > Stupid Idea to start a new project for this... > > Thanks! :) > > > This is exactly the Ambassador's purpose > > > > We should be doing this along with the events > > Yeah, but it isn't happening.. :) > > > Clair > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 18 13:11:04 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:11:04 +0100 Subject: LWN: Creating a Live CD with Kadischi In-Reply-To: <4406BEB4.10307@fedoraproject.org> References: <4406BEB4.10307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603180511n38b5115ay4592aa691fd802af@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Looks like we still need to polish some rough edges. Lets tackle this > and produce some good live CD's for Fedora Core 5 and followup with > fixes in the tool so that everybody can produce their own custom Fedora > Live CD's/DVD's too. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/172840/ Ive replied to that article :) ==================================================== Creating a Live CD with Kadischi (Posted Mar 18, 2006 13:10 UTC (Sat) by guest Clunixchit) (Post reply) Concerning the filed bug: Status: closed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=169812 It has been fixed and cvs version updated: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2006-March/msg00066.html ==================================================== Bugzilla List of Kadischi https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?component=kadischi&product=Fedora%20Extras Cheers, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 19 11:49:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:19:35 +0530 Subject: Why i use Fedora Core (A previous Windows user's diary) Message-ID: <441D454F.8000302@fedoraproject.org> Hi One of those stories that is good to hear. Not a glorious PR. Just another user with enthusiasm that thrives on change and a few hurdles to jump through. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=98907 -- Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 17 19:10:23 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:10:23 +0000 Subject: [SPAM] [Fedora-ambassadors-list] An idea re ambassadors Message-ID: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Those paying attention would've noticed that one problem I am having with ambassadors is that there is too much focus on events (big or small), rather than just telling people on the street, in your workplace, at your school about fedora. So, I propose another project is started... a project who's focus is to go around and educate, and tell, people about fedora. To answer people's questions. It won't be about going around to groups of people, it will be about telling people about fedora on a one-to-one basis. This way, the Ambassadors project will be able to support events better, and telling people on the street won't be neglected. I'd be willing to run the project. What does everyone think? -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Sun Mar 19 18:45:35 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:45:35 +0100 Subject: Update from "my mind" Message-ID: <2A373FED-8BA7-447E-B164-B614CF9C9A89@fedora.redhat.com> I'm working on new banner (different from the last that i've create) with a new concept and layout. From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 20 09:32:32 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:32:32 +0100 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> > Don't worry the objective of going there, is mostly to > * learn new things and > * see how they organise the install party. > * meet other people in the linux world. Ok, I was at that Mandriva Day as they call it. in brief: I went with my girlfriend and we were late :) we came just in time for the multimedia conference and the audience consisted of 11 persons. Most of them are newbies to linux. (75%) The conferences were for beginner level. The guys responsible for the event are no more than 23 years old. They were lecturers of a Computer Science Institute which is affiliated to Mandriva. see http://www.supinfo.com/en/Default.aspx Ive chatted with them about Fedora and Kadischi (of course) during the break. One of the lecturers was mostly interested with Kadischi since he is actually giving practical classes on how to build Mandriva Live cds. He explained me about the scripts they were working on and I showed him Kadischi's code. But when I asked him whether I can have a look at THEIR code, he bubbled "No No nooo" and ran away. I told myself "What a lamer"! The install party: 6 guys (Im not among) were ready to get the machines experience their first ever linux distro The install party was really a disaster. Mandriva 2006 was not stable at all. - 5/6 machines had xorg issues - urpmi is not installed on a fresh install, hence a complete newbie can't update - no assistance by the 'lecturers' for drivers installation and questions It was really a big disaster and shame for Mandriva when one of the lecturers answered the question " In windows we have openoffice 2.*, can I have it in Linux? " Answer: For the moment there is only openoffice 2.* for Windows platform, but Mandriva will be the first to have it. Can you imagine this ?!! ( I was shocked by this reply ) For this, my girlfriend has intervened and showed that in openoffice.org it is possible to download OOo 2.* I spent most of my time troubleshooting those machines, and installing cool applications (yakuake, ksmoothdock, katapult, 3ddesktop,....) just to promote linux's image. Cheers, (waiting for FC5) Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Mar 20 11:34:54 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:34:54 -0500 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>Don't worry the objective of going there, is mostly to >> * learn new things and >> * see how they organise the install party. >> * meet other people in the linux world. >> >> > > >Ok, I was at that Mandriva Day as they call it. > >in brief: >I went with my girlfriend and we were late :) >we came just in time for the multimedia conference and the audience >consisted of 11 persons. Most of them are newbies to linux. (75%) > >The conferences were for beginner level. > >The guys responsible for the event are no more than 23 years old. >They were lecturers of a Computer Science Institute which is >affiliated to Mandriva. >see http://www.supinfo.com/en/Default.aspx > >Ive chatted with them about Fedora and Kadischi (of course) during the break. >One of the lecturers was mostly interested with Kadischi since he is >actually giving practical classes on how to build Mandriva Live cds. >He explained me about the scripts they were working on and I showed >him Kadischi's code. >But when I asked him whether I can have a look at THEIR code, he >bubbled "No No nooo" and ran away. > >I told myself "What a lamer"! > >The install party: > >6 guys (Im not among) were ready to get the machines experience their >first ever linux distro > >The install party was really a disaster. Mandriva 2006 was not stable at all. > - 5/6 machines had xorg issues > - urpmi is not installed on a fresh install, hence a complete newbie >can't update > - no assistance by the 'lecturers' for drivers installation and questions > >It was really a big disaster and shame for Mandriva when one of the >lecturers answered the question " In windows we have openoffice 2.*, >can I have it in Linux? " > >Answer: For the moment there is only openoffice 2.* for Windows >platform, but Mandriva will be the first to have it. > >Can you imagine this ?!! >( I was shocked by this reply ) >For this, my girlfriend has intervened and showed that in >openoffice.org it is possible to download OOo 2.* > >I spent most of my time troubleshooting those machines, and installing >cool applications (yakuake, ksmoothdock, katapult, 3ddesktop,....) >just to promote linux's image. > >Cheers, (waiting for FC5) >Chitlesh Goorah >-- >http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > >-- >Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > How does this pertain to the Fedora Project? How does this pertain to Fedora Project Marketing? J. Hartline From sgk284 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 13:21:54 2006 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:54 -0500 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> It helps us better understand how other distributions are going about promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. By learning from other's mistakes, our own successes should become more frequent. Regards, Steve On 3/20/06, J. Hartline wrote: > > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > >>Don't worry the objective of going there, is mostly to > >> * learn new things and > >> * see how they organise the install party. > >> * meet other people in the linux world. > >> > >> > > > > > >Ok, I was at that Mandriva Day as they call it. > > > >in brief: > >I went with my girlfriend and we were late :) > >we came just in time for the multimedia conference and the audience > >consisted of 11 persons. Most of them are newbies to linux. (75%) > > > >The conferences were for beginner level. > > > >The guys responsible for the event are no more than 23 years old. > >They were lecturers of a Computer Science Institute which is > >affiliated to Mandriva. > >see http://www.supinfo.com/en/Default.aspx > > > >Ive chatted with them about Fedora and Kadischi (of course) during the > break. > >One of the lecturers was mostly interested with Kadischi since he is > >actually giving practical classes on how to build Mandriva Live cds. > >He explained me about the scripts they were working on and I showed > >him Kadischi's code. > >But when I asked him whether I can have a look at THEIR code, he > >bubbled "No No nooo" and ran away. > > > >I told myself "What a lamer"! > > > >The install party: > > > >6 guys (Im not among) were ready to get the machines experience their > >first ever linux distro > > > >The install party was really a disaster. Mandriva 2006 was not stable at > all. > > - 5/6 machines had xorg issues > > - urpmi is not installed on a fresh install, hence a complete newbie > >can't update > > - no assistance by the 'lecturers' for drivers installation and > questions > > > >It was really a big disaster and shame for Mandriva when one of the > >lecturers answered the question " In windows we have openoffice 2.*, > >can I have it in Linux? " > > > >Answer: For the moment there is only openoffice 2.* for Windows > >platform, but Mandriva will be the first to have it. > > > >Can you imagine this ?!! > >( I was shocked by this reply ) > >For this, my girlfriend has intervened and showed that in > >openoffice.org it is possible to download OOo 2.* > > > >I spent most of my time troubleshooting those machines, and installing > >cool applications (yakuake, ksmoothdock, katapult, 3ddesktop,....) > >just to promote linux's image. > > > >Cheers, (waiting for FC5) > >Chitlesh Goorah > >-- > >http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > > >-- > >Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > How does this pertain to the Fedora Project? > How does this pertain to Fedora Project Marketing? > > J. Hartline > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Mar 20 14:35:00 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060320143501.11029.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stephen Krenzel wrote: > It helps us better understand how other distributions are going > about promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. > By learning from other's mistakes, our own successes should > become more frequent. I have to agree. We don't live in a vacuum, and I regularly run into over-marketing of other distros and, often in tandem, mis-understandings of what Fedora is. So many people who have _never_ used Fedora Core call it "unstable." It is based on 100% assumptions of what Fedora Core is, and 0% actual usage. Or in the best case, they had an issue with the installer and left it at that. In fact, if I were going to build a marketing campaign for Fedora Core, I'd do the following: Newbie focus like ... "These system builders pre-install Fedora Core:" "For maximum compatibility and ease-of-administration, you want Fedora Core on your new PC out-of-the-box." Seasoned focus like ... "This isn't your dad's Linux" "More than just an installer" "Dependency hell? Fedora users have never heard of it!" And maybe even more direct ... "You say you haven't used Red Hat since Red Hat Linux 9, but you say Fedora Core is unstable? Have you actually tried it? Have you tried more than just its installer?" "Fedora Core 5, all the new features of Fedora Core 4, improved." -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Mar 20 16:48:08 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:48:08 -0500 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <20060320143501.11029.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060320143501.11029.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441EDCC8.5060302@adelphia.net> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >Stephen Krenzel wrote: > > >>It helps us better understand how other distributions are going >>about promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. >>By learning from other's mistakes, our own successes should >>become more frequent. >> >> > >I have to agree. We don't live in a vacuum, and I regularly run into >over-marketing of other distros and, often in tandem, >mis-understandings of what Fedora is. > >So many people who have _never_ used Fedora Core call it "unstable." >It is based on 100% assumptions of what Fedora Core is, and 0% actual >usage. Or in the best case, they had an issue with the installer and >left it at that. > > Yes, but as a an ambassador marketing Fedora Core isn't about coaxing one to believe something other than what they already do, but to prove what they believe whether it be unstability or what-not to not actually be _fact_. Anyhow. I just got back from a doctors office and he has never heard of Fedora Core or Redhat, but I briefly explained it to him and he seemed to acknowledge the _facts_. Bye now, have a great day! J. Hartline From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Mar 20 16:50:20 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (J. Hartline) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:50:20 -0500 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441EDD4C.8080508@adelphia.net> Stephen Krenzel wrote: > It helps us better understand how other distributions are going about > promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. By learning > from other's mistakes, our own successes should become more frequent. > Regards, > Steve I agree, but only in the theoretical point of view. You aren't promoting other distributions, therefore thier failures shouldn't apply. Thust my words of opinion, carry on. 8-) J. Hartline From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 20 18:22:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:52:13 +0530 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <441EDD4C.8080508@adelphia.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> <441EDD4C.8080508@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <441EF2D5.2050506@fedoraproject.org> J. Hartline wrote: > Stephen Krenzel wrote: > >> It helps us better understand how other distributions are going about >> promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. By learning >> from other's mistakes, our own successes should become more frequent. >> Regards, >> Steve > > > I agree, but only in the theoretical point of view. > You aren't promoting other distributions, therefore thier failures > shouldn't apply. If we learn from the failures, then yes it does apply. In general, as long as we don't turn this into a pissing contest and indulge is unproductive distro wars, we are all good. -- Rahul From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Mar 20 18:26:44 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <441EF2D5.2050506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060320182644.27601.qmail@web34106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If we learn from the failures, then yes it does apply. In general, > as long as we don't turn this into a pissing contest and indulge is > unproductive distro wars, we are all good. Agreed. That's what a lot of other people do. Everytime all I do is focus on what Fedora Core does and does not do. I do _not_ try to contrast and compare to other distributions. I let the distribution stand for itself. That's the only way to deal with the nay-sayers. Especially the ones that have never touched Fedora Core themselves, or haven't gotten past the installer before saying, "ewww, too Red Hat-like." Ironic because some of the worst nay-sayers are former Red Hat users and knew nothing else. Most of them are sour because when the freely redistributable version of Linux with the "Red Hat(R)" was gone, they couldn't justify it with their boss anymore. The key is to showing how much Fedora Core has improved since the end of the Red Hat Linux line. And that's actually pretty easy to do. And for those that don't want to listen, they just get enfuriated, and you ignore them. You just stick to focusing on Fedora Core. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 21 07:56:36 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:56:36 -0600 Subject: The Morning After Message-ID: <200603210156.40386.nman64@n-man.com> To start off, congratulations are in order for everyone who was involved in bringing Fedora Core 5 to fruition. Fedora Core 5 is the most outstanding Fedora Core release to date, and we've seen a lot of progress since Fedora Core 4. Thank you and congratulations to everyone! Overall, I think the Fedora Core 5 release was a great success. We had a few minor glitches, as will always happen on release day, but things really came together to deliver this awesome release in an awesome way. While the excitement is still strong, let's look back over the events leading up to and immediately following the release, and see what we can do to make things better both for the lifetime of this release and for future releases. Over the weekend, we saw quite a few leaked ISOs flying around. This is to be expected, but we need to try to minimize this to avoid potential problems. We also saw a large number of users take advantage of BitTorrent, which greatly reduced demand on the main servers, but, as always, people are always looking for more bandwidth. We've got plans in the works that will help, but there's always room for more improvement. It is great that there is so much interest, so how can we best support that interest without failing our release goals? A lot of switches and buttons had to be operated manually for this release. We could almost certainly add automation and scheduling, and we could streamline processes to make life easier on ourselves. We had to update a lot of information on both fedora.redhat.com and fedoraproject.org. We have some unnecessary duplication, and there are places where we can get things working a little more smoothly. Jesse, and anyone else working on these things, what did you notice? How can we improve the process? It took a fair chunk of the day to get the latest release notes up on the website and working properly. Surely, we can automate some of this. I know a lot of work is going into getting the build tools working better, but what else can we do to simplify this for a prompt release reaction? There were a few other technical errors or delays, such as those that prompted symlinking torrent URLs and the update to the release announcement, the lack of the planned instructions for CD-burning in the distribution directories, and a few known flaws in the final release. These kinds of things are bound to happen, especially when internal issues arise just before the release, but that's no reason to ignore them. What did we miss, and how can we make sure we get it right next time? Finally, there has been a lot of buzz leading up to and following the release. We saw a refreshing surge even before the release hit. That's great, but the buzz could still be bigger. We saw a few reviews of the test releases, and many sites have published new information in the last 24 hours, but how can we generate more of this? Did anybody notice particular areas that were undersold? Now is the time for radical thoughts and ideas that can shape what we do to support Fedora Core 5 and prepare for Fedora Core 6. Let's hear them! -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Seriously Jef, start publishing those "signatures" -- Cheers, Filip http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FilipTsachev From che666 at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 11:51:28 2006 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:51:28 +0100 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <1142647539.8755.3.camel@linuxbox> <51836.192.168.0.4.1142650327.squirrel@freehold.no-ip.info> <73396bd30603172224x32598f86v69614c960e5eb126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2006/3/21, Filip Tsachev : > -jef" > > Interested in learning about Fedora Linux? > Are you a HOT chick? > Then contact campus_geek at yourcampus.edu for personal lessons on using Fedora > > "spaleta > > That almost killed me :D. Seriously Jef, start publishing those "signatures" > > -- > Cheers, > Filip > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FilipTsachev > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > wheres fortune-jef ? ;) From prarit at sgi.com Tue Mar 21 13:55:46 2006 From: prarit at sgi.com (Prarit Bhargava) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:55:46 -0500 Subject: An idea re ambassadors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603171247t6703deddk1484e6de1249c2b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603171910.23536.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <604aa7910603171119i3a48e887i30ab68d2930d24f8@mail.gmail.com> <200603171921.16407.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <441B0FC9.4050702@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171145t2f71f0c8if004251cb873fd7a@mail.gmail.com> <441B1758.3050000@devin.com.br> <604aa7910603171247t6703deddk1484e6de1249c2b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442005E2.6030108@sgi.com> > > -jef" > > Interested in learning about Fedora Linux? > Are you a HOT chick? > Then contact campus_geek at yourcampus.edu for personal lessons on using Fedora > > "spaleta That's it. Jeff wins. :) P. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Mar 21 17:02:20 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:02:20 -0800 Subject: The Morning After In-Reply-To: <200603210156.40386.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200603210156.40386.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <200603210902.23570.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 20 March 2006 23:56, Patrick Barnes wrote: > We had to update a lot of information on both fedora.redhat.com and > fedoraproject.org. ?We have some unnecessary duplication, and there are > places where we can get things working a little more smoothly. ?Jesse, and > anyone else working on these things, what did you notice? ?How can we > improve the process? The download instructions are nearly identical on the wiki and the static site. I had to update these twice and since they aren't in the same markup it was a lengthy by hand process. Selecting and pasting sha1sums all over the place. Why couldn't we have just included or referenced the gpg signed SHA1SUM files for each iso dir in the wiki? Website changes should have been made the week before the release and then just tagged live the morning of. I completely forgot about doing the website changes until the night before and morning of. Keeping a running list of what pages need touching for a release would be a HUGE help. This way we can divide and conquer. Making updates to the wiki during the release is HARD. Bandwidth was at a premium and it made waiting for changes to process very very long. Is there a way to do changes but not make it live until the release day? Or should these changes just be made the night before the release? Maintaining the mirror list was painful as well. We weren't able to release to mirrors until Friday morning, which meant that through the weekend I got reports of mirrors that were ready and I had to keep updating the mirror list files that yum (and now our redirector on download.fedoraproject.org) used. I've got a couple volunteers from the community to take this over, but it is still a painful operation mostly done by hand. I would really like some cool community person to think of a better way to manage these files. Perhaps feed a base URL into the script and it will add the appropriate content to various files? We also need to vette the current mirror list(s?) found on fedora.redhat.com and/or the wiki. Not all mirror admins reported that they are ready, so we should check w/ the ones we have currently listed and make sure that we're listing mirrors that are keeping up to date. And just in general, coming up with a checklist of things that need to be done prior to a release. I have my list from an internal prospective, lock the tree, spin a test, fix bugs, spin, fix bugs, spin, get an RC, test like hell, get export approval, release to mirrors. But externally there is a lot of documentation and such that needs to be done and I'd like to see a running checklist. That's about all I got. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you remember the old page that used to be there, you will remember that it was fairly devoid of information, and it did not make it particularly easy for the user to make it over to either fedora.redhat.com or to fedoraproject.org That has all changed -- we have a bunch of direct links into fedoraproject.org that make it very clear (I hope) what the current version of Fedora is, how to download it, and other useful information, while playing well with the look and feel of Red Hat's other "top level" pages. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and reactions. Let me know what you think, and whether or not you thing the new www.redhat.com/fedora does a good job of providing a window into the heart of the Fedora Project. -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 21 20:47:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:17:21 +0530 Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all, > > I wanted to take a second to point out some of the recent changes that > have been made to the Fedora pages that are a part of www.redhat.com, > coinciding with the release of fc5. > > If you take a look, you'll see that we are running a promo on the > www.redhat.com homepage that announces the release of fc5, and that > clicking through it will drive you to www.redhat.com/fedora which has > also taken on a new look. The fc5 release is a big deal around here, > and we're treating it as such. > > If you remember the old page that used to be there, you will remember > that it was fairly devoid of information, and it did not make it > particularly easy for the user to make it over to either > fedora.redhat.com or to fedoraproject.org > > That has all changed -- we have a bunch of direct links into > fedoraproject.org that make it very clear (I hope) what the current > version of Fedora is, how to download it, and other useful > information, while playing well with the look and feel of Red Hat's > other "top level" pages. > > I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and reactions. Let me know > what you think, and whether or not you thing the new > www.redhat.com/fedora does a good job of providing a window into the > heart of the Fedora Project. > I love the new page much better than the earlier version but a link to http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ is missing. We really should get spend some good amount of effort in revamping fedoraproject.org content with the new cms system in place (http://fpserv.fedoraproject.org/) and dismantle fedora.redhat.com after setting up appropriate redirects. I think we need help with the content and organization for fedoraproject.org from within Red Hat for the initial design. Shouldnt be too much work but is extremely critical that we dont retain a annoyingly sparse fedora.redhat.com for too long. -- Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Mar 21 20:55:07 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:55:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> References: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I love the new page much better than the earlier version but a link to > http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ is missing. I'd like to clean that table up a bit, and then find a place to stick that link back on www.redhat.com/fedora -- thank you for reminding me of it. > We really should get spend some good amount of effort in revamping > fedoraproject.org content with the new cms system in place > (http://fpserv.fedoraproject.org/) and dismantle fedora.redhat.com after > setting up appropriate redirects. Yep, deprecating f.r.c is in our future -- that is why all of the links on www.redhat.com/fedora are pointing directly to fp.o instead of to f.r.c --Max -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Mar 21 20:57:44 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:57:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Morning After In-Reply-To: <200603210902.23570.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200603210156.40386.nman64@n-man.com> <200603210902.23570.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Jesse Keating wrote: > And just in general, coming up with a checklist of things that need to be done > prior to a release. I have my list from an internal prospective, lock the > tree, spin a test, fix bugs, spin, fix bugs, spin, get an RC, test like hell, > get export approval, release to mirrors. But externally there is a lot of > documentation and such that needs to be done and I'd like to see a running > checklist. That's about all I got. Working on making our entire release process more streamlined and clear is high up on my todo list once we all have a chance to catch our breath and look at fc6. So yeah, it's gonna happen, and it's not going to only happen inside of the Red Hat fenceline. I want to involve the community in helping to craft a master "this is how you release Fedora Core" document. --Max -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Mar 21 21:34:28 2006 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> References: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I love the new page much better than the earlier version but a link to > http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ is missing. We really > should get spend some good amount of effort in revamping > fedoraproject.org content with the new cms system in place > (http://fpserv.fedoraproject.org/) and dismantle fedora.redhat.com after > setting up appropriate redirects. I think we need help with the content > and organization for fedoraproject.org from within Red Hat for the > initial design. Shouldnt be too much work but is extremely critical that > we dont retain a annoyingly sparse fedora.redhat.com for too long. Speaking of new web sites, I have the .PSD files of a new look for the web site that the design firm used by RH came up with. Really need to turn those into actual CSS + images at some point... It all meshes nicely with the stuff that has already been going on here and on fedora-websites-list. Best, -- Elliot From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 22:11:50 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:11:50 -0500 Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: References: <44206659.5020406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270603211411v167b6697gf2a4112944849d1d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/06, Elliot Lee wrote: > Speaking of new web sites, I have the .PSD files of a new look for the web > site that the design firm used by RH came up with. Really need to turn > those into actual CSS + images at some point... It all meshes nicely with > the stuff that has already been going on here and on > fedora-websites-list. Yes please, Elliot, if you could speed things up a bit, it would be wonderful--while we have all the buzz going from the new release :) Cheers, Alex From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Mar 22 04:28:33 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:28:33 -0600 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] Fedora 5 Impressions Message-ID: <200603212228.35988.nman64@n-man.com> This was the first review to pass through the San Antonio LUG. I figured I'd share. :-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Sean Carolan" Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 5 Impressions Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:22:50 -0600 Size: 6126 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Jon P.S I know Fedora and Red Hat are different, but this isn't how it looks to an 'external' person (I'm writing this email because I've just had an IM from a friend reading "So are Red Hat taking back Fedora then?") -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 12:04:26 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:34:26 +0530 Subject: FC5: beats& Press Release (draft impress doc) In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603160451h2461051dk76a86970b1fa51d7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0603161056x6d67759dye5e3c597bb2de370@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603161132l698cad6bi1ca76f8d037616df@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603200132j19f46072me416965e941fdd8a@mail.gmail.com> <441E935E.2020506@adelphia.net> <1fa01fe80603200521t37ae20bdo4f5e6d58fec0b7f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143029066.4121.11.camel@linuxbox> On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 08:21 -0500, Stephen Krenzel wrote: > It helps us better understand how other distributions are going about > promoting themselves and how effective it is for them. By learning > from other's mistakes, our own successes should become more frequent. > Regards, > Steve > I've recieved this mail 12 times, Is anyone else facing this problem? From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 13:03:43 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:03:43 -0500 Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: <44211E49.8000609@redhat.com> References: <44211E49.8000609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143032624.32460.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 09:52 +0000, Jon Fautley wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > > I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and reactions. Let me know what > > you think, and whether or not you thing the new www.redhat.com/fedora > > does a good job of providing a window into the heart of the Fedora Project. > > One question - wasn't one of the main goals of the Fedora Foundation to > differentiate between "Red Hat" and "Fedora" as two seperate entities? > > "redhat.com/fedora" - this is even more 'Red Hat' than > 'fedora.redhat.com'. Is Fedora a part of Red Hat now? I don't agree; this is no more "claiming" Fedora than any "example.com/fedora" link. Keep in mind this page has always been there, and it's a way to drive people looking for Fedora support at Red Hat to head for the community sites instead. There is no escaping that people *associate* Fedora with Red Hat, nor is that particularly a bad thing. > P.S I know Fedora and Red Hat are different, but this isn't how it looks > to an 'external' person (I'm writing this email because I've just had an > IM from a friend reading "So are Red Hat taking back Fedora then?") 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Thanks for passing on the link. -- Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 22 20:28:46 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:28:46 -0800 Subject: Phoronix.com - Interview: Greg DeKoenigsberg In-Reply-To: <4421AB46.3020607@fedoraproject.org> References: <441B164A.5010309@phoronix.com> <4421AB46.3020607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603221228h46de7f4cg7c4a27bfc56fde65@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Michael Larabel wrote: > > > Good Day, > > > > An interview of Fedora/Red Hat's Greg DeKoenigsberg has been posted. > > This interview relates largely to the new implementations found in > > Fedora Core 5 as well as some general information pertaining to the > > Fedora Project. > > > > http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=6081 > > Pretty informative. Thanks for passing on the link. Agree. Specially I like this part: Greg DeKoenigsberg: I think FUDCons have been absolutely essential to our success. As Chris Blizzard and I rode around Delhi during our visit to FUDCon India, Chris said to me, "what if open source is just a side effect of people wanting to work together?" I think that this was a profound observation. To me, it's one of the most important reasons for having FUDCons. IRC is great, but having a beer with somebody -- or even having somebody tell you off to your face -- is an irreplaceable personal experience, and one that's central to building lasting communities. So come to FUDCon Boston 2006 on April 7th. Go to fedoraproject.org/FUDCon for more details. 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URL: From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Mar 23 10:31:05 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:31:05 -0000 (GMT) Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF Message-ID: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Dear Lists, I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: Latest Speakers * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu * Gervase Markham - TBC * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark * Alex Hudson - Hula * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank * Ewan Spence - TBC * Christian Schaller - GStreamer Latest Exhibitors * CentOS * Joomla! * UKLinux * MythTV * Bytemark Hosting * OpenDocument Fellowship * KDE/Kubuntu * O'Reilly So quite high-profile! Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? Anyone other ideas? Can we get any goodies to give away? Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main LugRadio Site? Thoughts most welcome! Thanks, Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Mar 23 12:37:45 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:37:45 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Resend] LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF Message-ID: <58611.195.38.86.72.1143117465.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> ---------------------------- Sorry, thought it bounced. ---------------------------- Dear Lists, I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: Latest Speakers * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu * Gervase Markham - TBC * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark * Alex Hudson - Hula * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank * Ewan Spence - TBC * Christian Schaller - GStreamer Latest Exhibitors * CentOS * Joomla! * UKLinux * MythTV * Bytemark Hosting * OpenDocument Fellowship * KDE/Kubuntu * O'Reilly So quite high-profile! Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? Anyone other ideas? Can we get any goodies to give away? Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main LugRadio Site? Thoughts most welcome! Thanks, Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Mar 23 13:03:13 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:03:13 -0500 Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: <1143032624.32460.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44211E49.8000609@redhat.com> <1143032624.32460.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143118993.4724.38.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 08:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I don't agree; this is no more "claiming" Fedora than any > "example.com/fedora" link. Keep in mind this page has always been > there, and it's a way to drive people looking for Fedora support at Red > Hat to head for the community sites instead. There is no escaping that > people *associate* Fedora with Red Hat, nor is that particularly a bad > thing. Fedora is a project sponsored, in part, by Red Hat. Heck, some people draw whatever conclusions they want _regardless_ of what the Fedora Project, Red Hat, etc... has on their site. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 23 14:55:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:25:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 5 Review (linuxforums) Message-ID: <1143125742.3802.77.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hello Clement Lefebvre, While on the lookout for good reviews on the latest release of Fedora Core, I came across your excellent one (http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_5_review.html) and I would like to add some comments. I like the way the review starts out with a look at the buzz around the release and the community rather than just the software bits. Its quite surprising that many reviews completely drop off that aspect of a open source project. While Anaconda has gone through a major revamp in Fedora Core 5, we have been receiving feedback on going the extra mile by improving the level of polish and tackling better some of the minor issues. The ability to test a keyboard layout seems to be one of them that you have highlighed in the review. It doesnt seem to be a requested feature so far, so I went ahead and filed a RFE (Request for Enhancement) against Anaconda. Refer to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186408 for more details. I would appreciate if you can add more details to it. We have this feedback procedure on both the release notes and the release itself documented in our release notes that you seem to be fond of reading at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#sn- Feedback. You have remarked that you didnt like that the Firstboot program asked a few questions on well... the first boot instead of Anaconda asking everything upfront. There is a reason behind that which might not be immediately obvious. All the options asked in Anaconda are required steps to complete the installation while the rest of the Firstboot ones are optional (though highly recommended). This two step process helps streamline the interface better while letting the user skip the optional steps easily. While IRC is indeed a useful application combined with the Freenode Fedora IRC channels such as #fedora, it is not in general a popular means of communication for a typical desktop user. We probably need to set aside our Linux-y view of things a bit on that. What you consider a inconsistency on the menu is something that has been decided after careful thought and the menus have even more streamlined specifically in Fedora Core 5 by the Red Hat desktop team. In general applications are named after the task they perform rather than the application name itself with the exception of a few well known brands like Firefox. This has been found to be beneficial in actual usability tests where many of the candidates who found out the application quickly cited Firefox as a familiar name associated with a Internet browser that aided them in performing the task or browsing the web quickly. The conclusion that ... "I never paid too much attention to what was going on in Fedora. In fact, the last release I tried was Fedora Core 1. So I didn't have much expectations about "Bordeaux", even though I got more and more excited over the release after I had talked to some people from the Fedora community. I have to say though: this distribution impressed me in a way that no other distribution did before. Some things should of course be improved, such as the automatic hardware detection or, as mentioned above, the menus. But apart from these little details I can confidently say that Fedora Core 5 is the best desktop GNU/Linux distribution available at the moment. Suse and Ubuntu are working on their next release, for sure this Fedora release placed the bar higher than it has ever been before. A giant step was made in making Linux ready for the desktop and ?Bordeaux? is proof of this." is indeed great to hear but I would appreciate if you can let us know which hardware you found was not detected or auto configured by default on the system to see whether we can improve on that in our subsequents releases of Fedora. Thank you for evaluating and providing detailed feedback in the form of a seemingly popular review on Fedora Core 5. Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Thu Mar 23 16:45:20 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair Shaw) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:45:20 +0000 Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <200603231645.20674.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Thursday 23 March 2006 10:31, Gavin Henry wrote: > Dear Lists, > > I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: > > http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page You may want to talk to Jon. Clair From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 23 17:11:15 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:11:15 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0603230911q2d26e99bpe4b51c02b4c82005@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > Dear all, > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > the following URL : > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > Best Regards > Fred Hi Fred, Would you mind an English translation for those can't read French? :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:42:12 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:42:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora Slogan Idea In-Reply-To: <4422eb87.45222a28.2331.fffff766@mx.gmail.com> References: <4422eb87.45222a28.2331.fffff766@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231142n47f06da2ue2f3cb6730eee856@mail.gmail.com> I like your thinking Brandon! I too think that we should use the logo tagline in more slogans. Thank you for raising this question on the list, Alex On 3/23/06, Brandon Gauthier wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I'm not total sure who to send this too but on the FedoraProject.org Wiki I > found a Slogan page. After reading the different ideas I noticed that not > one refers to the fedora logo's design principles (I found them here: > http://www.capstrat.com/development/fedora/). I like the > new fedora logo and it's clear a lot of thinking went into make it. Why not > use part of the logo design principles as the slogan? > > > > "Infinite innovation. Infinite openness. Infinite freedom." > > > > In could be shorted to just "Infinite freedom." But I really think that the > full line expresses more. It gets the fedora message across in a > professional, concise way that works with the logo. > > > > Just something for you guys to think about, > > Brandon > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:44:48 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:44:48 -0500 Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> This is great news Gavin! Please let the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (Famsco) know if you need any support for this. Thank you, Alex On 3/23/06, Gavin Henry wrote: > Dear Lists, > > I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: > > http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page > > It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: > > Latest Speakers > > * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu > * Gervase Markham - TBC > * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora > * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun > * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source > * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace > * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap > * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source > * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi > * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu > * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl > * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist > * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 > * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing > * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper > * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark > * Alex Hudson - Hula > * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network > * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument > * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu > * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org > * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops > * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond > * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails > * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage > * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank > * Ewan Spence - TBC > * Christian Schaller - GStreamer > > Latest Exhibitors > > * CentOS > * Joomla! > * UKLinux > * MythTV > * Bytemark Hosting > * OpenDocument Fellowship > * KDE/Kubuntu > * O'Reilly > > So quite high-profile! > > Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. > > I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? > > Anyone other ideas? > > Can we get any goodies to give away? > > Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main > LugRadio Site? > > Thoughts most welcome! > > Thanks, > > Gavin. > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 279484 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:50:39 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270603231150g6350e650se3de3d7c4fb76181@mail.gmail.com> Fred, thanks for posting this. mind adding it to the press archive on the wiki? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Thanks, a On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > Dear all, > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > the following URL : > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > Best Regards > Fred > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:51:46 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:51:46 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Inquiry - General marketing questions from a student of international business In-Reply-To: <26c71ad70603192321s3670cdecrcee9b36d8284d757@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c71ad70603180237g1cf49cddt98d569c3d29004b2@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603192121n2ae29831x8395ba04c1f214db@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603192321s3670cdecrcee9b36d8284d757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231151o3be12075u600d6e0bd681393a@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks, I have received this inquiry and tried to respond to it as good as I could--mind helping me out a bit? Thanks, a ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Patrick Windt Date: Mar 20, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: Re: Inquiry - General marketing questions from a student of international business To: Alex Maier Dear mrs. Maier, So if I get this right, seeing that you are indeed head of marketing, the fedora marketing team focusses their attention on promotion. Is Fedora Core not adapted to fit the needs of it's members, by lets say a broad survey, or is it estimated what the target audience wants? Does the fedora marketing team have any firm strategic or operational targets to obtain? I'm mostly interested in fedora's marketing strategy since it is very much different from a regular company. It is indeed non profitable and you do not have a tangible item. Friendly greetings, Patrick On 3/20/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Dear Patrick, > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. I lead the Ambassadors project, > and this is what I can speak for :) > > The Ambassadors project is a grass-roots initiative mostly centered > around "getting the word out" to the people outside the Fedora project > and also helping Fedora Project communicate with Fedora and Linux > community. > > If you have any more questions, please feel free to get in touch with > me or the entire Steering Committee (Famsco) for more help. > > Thank you very much for your interest in Fedora, > Alex > > On 3/18/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > As an international marketing student, I was wondering in what aspects the > > marketing department of "fedora" is integrated in the final product release. > > Or is the marketing of fedora solely based on "getting the word out" ? > > > > I would love to get some insight in the marketing plan of Fedora... > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > > > Patrick Windt > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > -- Kind regards, Patrick Windt paddy.windt at gmail.com -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 20:16:05 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:16:05 -0500 Subject: Note for a Fedora Project marketing person In-Reply-To: <015e01c64eb5$437b9ee0$6401a8c0@rollwaves> References: <015e01c64eb5$437b9ee0$6401a8c0@rollwaves> Message-ID: <7f617d270603231216of26222eo8da72a9ff8fe9ebb@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chris, I am copying Fedora Marketing and Fedora Ambassadors on my response, so they can all chime in. Fedora is not a company, and not a commercial distribution. We are a community project, in part sponsored by Red Hat. We are not affiliated with Novell. I do not think we will have the money to pay for the participation in the event your friend is organizing, but we certainly will be glad to help out with content anyway. If you can think of any form of cooperation that will benefit both parties, please get in touch with me again. Thank you, Alex Maier On 3/23/06, Chris Preimesberger wrote: > > I am a reporter at eWEEK.com, but I am using a personal affiliation with a > friend on the following project. > > A colleague of mine, Tom Donoghue, runs a couple of decent sites, > DevTownStation.com and OpenEnterpriseTrends.com. He is starting to get into > online "events" to help his business grow. He did his first interactive > online event recently > > Tom asked me to help him with a new online event, to be called "Open > Enterprise Trends Desktop Demo Summit" or something more sexy than that-- we > don't know yet. This would give companies a chance to showcase their desktop > software (Fedora 5?) in a coordinated, organized event (perhaps 4 to 5 hours > in length) in which users log in for free and hear a panel discussion, > company pitches, and see actual demos of the products online. Uses also can > ask questions at appointed times to the companies. > > Naturally, the companies showcasing their work would be sponsoring the > event, and therein lies where the costs would be for Novell, for example. > I'm not sure what the participation fee would be; Tom could tell you that. > But to be involved in a neutral-host, highly publicized (we hope!) event > like that -- might Novell be interested? > > Let me know. If so, I can have Tom call you and give more info. > > /cp > > Chris J. Preimesberger > IT Editor/Writer > Redwood City, Calif. > (650) 780-9200 office -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Mar 23 20:58:24 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:58:24 -0000 (GMT) Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <200603231645.20674.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <200603231645.20674.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <47438.192.168.100.90.1143147504.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > On Thursday 23 March 2006 10:31, Gavin Henry wrote: >> Dear Lists, >> >> I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: >> >> http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page > > You may want to talk to Jon. Just e-mailed him, thanks. > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 00:05:59 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:05:59 -0500 Subject: a new look to Red Hat's Fedora pages In-Reply-To: <1143118993.4724.38.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <44211E49.8000609@redhat.com> <1143032624.32460.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143118993.4724.38.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0603231605q5b7d1a85g230fb7314d5336c2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 08:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I don't agree; this is no more "claiming" Fedora than any > > "example.com/fedora" link. Keep in mind this page has always been > > there, and it's a way to drive people looking for Fedora support at Red > > Hat to head for the community sites instead. There is no escaping that > > people *associate* Fedora with Red Hat, nor is that particularly a bad > > thing. > > Fedora is a project sponsored, in part, by Red Hat. > > Heck, some people draw whatever conclusions they want _regardless_ of > what the Fedora Project, Red Hat, etc... has on their site. Right, Red Hat needs to have something about Fedora, fairly prominently placed on their on their site. The traffic redhat.com gets is RHEL related, and thusly the page should look like redhat.com, and lead folks gently to the different URL and very different look/feel/voice/content of the real Fedora home. Likewise, a fedoraproject page that mentioned Red Hat would look like a Fedora page. Neither creates or even exaserbates the branding confusion. Remember when folks used to think Mandrake was further along than RHAT b/c they were on version 7 when Red Hat was only on version 6 of "Linux", or how SuSE would use it to their advantage and slap in a test kernel and rev their release days "don;t settle for Red Hat 9 when you can have SuSE 10! Now with unstable kernel!" ? It took some education that began where folks were (completely ignorant of Linux v. a distribution), to get them where they are now (only mostly ignorant of Linux v. a distribuion) . Red Hat invests more into and draws more from Fedora than any entity on the planet and so they are linked. The name is derived from Red Hat's brand, both sites mention each other and position the relationship, and a simple "this one is blue, that one is red" isn't going to instantly create a distinction when the subtext is obvious. IMHO if Red Hat and Fedora ignored each other and pretended not to know each other it would seem confused, fractured, or even sleazy... sort of exactly how it was seen at launch when RH had marginalized it to "hobbyists" and declared it "unstable for production", and alluded to the possibility of monthly releases in order to ensure enough of the deeper pocketed folks bought into the new horse pill and didn't stay in community land. I shit you not, I was once told to take Fedora off my laptop for a demo by a Red Hatter who himself didn't seem to know what it was. There are also cross-over users to consider (ie anyone running RHEL, or certifying their apps or hardware on it, had better be running Fedora in a lab somewhere, and RH better tell me to do so in their site.) At least Fedora is on their site, right out there in front of God and everybody, and positioned as what it is. And right where RH should let Fedora talk, well there's the handy link. If it's done right, folks can quickly opt-in to the right place, rather than feeling like they are optingout of one at the expense of the other. IMNSHO, it's the job of this group to tell folks what Fedora is, and who it's for when they get to the project pages. --jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This doesn't just mean that you can take our product and run away with it. It also means you can modify our product, redistribute it, for free, or even for a fee. Consider this example: Chef Super-Gja has generated a recipe for Vegetable Stew that is AWESOME!!!! Chef Super-Gja decided he wants to help as many people as he can with his amazing Vegetable Stew. so he starts producing 1000 Litres of Stew every day, and giving it away for no cost. He feels that his Stew is Free. However, one day, his friend tells him that he is allergic to the carrots in the stew, and that many people have requested for Stew without carrots in it. Now, Chef Super-Gja gets a great idea. Rather than giving away just the Stew, what he does is give away some stew, as well as the RECIPE for the stew. This way, if everyone has the recipe, then they are allowed to modify the soup, improve it, and customize it to their needs. Pretty soon, his friend comes back. His friend has modified the recipe, and the following side note: by adding a spoon of butter to the soup, it will make the stew a lot thicker. The Chef decides that this suggestion is so good, that he includes it in the original recipe for the soup. Chef Super-Gja realizes that by giving out the recipe of the soup, and not just the soup itself, he has ensured that everyone has access to his soup, and that everyone can easily make it and improve it. By doing this, he has made an entire community of stew cookers, who are all eager to help improve the original recipe. Also, Chef Super-Gja also has ensured that people will be drinking his soup, long after he has retired. This is the way open source works. Here, software is the soup, and the source code (a text document from which software is made) is compared to the RECIPE of the soup. Some companies, like Red Hat, do make money out of open source. They give out the `recipe` for their product. In doing so, they will have a large community behind them. This community will continuously be sending back improvements to Red Hat's soup, and will be in close contact with Red Hat. Not just the Marketing or Support teams, as happens with most companies. But the end user is in contact with the developers. In fact THE END USERS ARE THE DEVELOPERS. Some products, like fedora are not commercial. They are maintained entirely by volunteers, so that it can benefit their neighbor. Now as far as marketing goes. Except for (perhaps) 5 of the ambassadors, none of us are Paid to Promote Fedora. The rest of us, simply use Fedora. We love Fedora, and we want to tell people about it. We want to help spread the message that Fedora symbolizes. That message is the Following: `Fedora Is Free! We want to use Free Software. Not free as in Zero Cost. Free as in Freedom.` We are volunteers who help to promote an idea we believe in, during our Free time. We do not really expect to be rewarded in any way. We are doing it because we know it is the right thing to do. For Further Reading on this Topic, I suggest you read this essay: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ Gja On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:51 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Dear mrs. Maier, > > So if I get this right, seeing that you are indeed head of marketing, > the fedora marketing team focusses their attention on promotion. Is > Fedora Core not adapted to fit the needs of it's members, by lets say > a broad survey, or is it estimated what the target audience wants? > > Does the fedora marketing team have any firm strategic or operational > targets to obtain? > > I'm mostly interested in fedora's marketing strategy since it is very > much different from a regular company. It is indeed non profitable and > you do not have a tangible item. > > Friendly greetings, > > Patrick > > > On 3/20/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Dear Patrick, > > > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. I lead the Ambassadors project, > > and this is what I can speak for :) > > > > The Ambassadors project is a grass-roots initiative mostly centered > > around "getting the word out" to the people outside the Fedora project > > and also helping Fedora Project communicate with Fedora and Linux > > community. > > > > If you have any more questions, please feel free to get in touch with > > me or the entire Steering Committee (Famsco) for more help. > > > > Thank you very much for your interest in Fedora, > > Alex > > > > On 3/18/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > As an international marketing student, I was wondering in what aspects the > > > marketing department of "fedora" is integrated in the final product release. > > > Or is the marketing of fedora solely based on "getting the word out" ? > > > > > > I would love to get some insight in the marketing plan of Fedora... > > > > > > -- > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Patrick Windt > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Fri Mar 24 10:42:01 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:42:01 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I will do that. ;) BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Thomas Chung Sent: Thu 23/03/2006 18:11 To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > Dear all, > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > the following URL : > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > Best Regards > Fred Hi Fred, Would you mind an English translation for those can't read French? :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Alex Maier Sent: Thu 23/03/2006 20:50 To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 Fred, thanks for posting this. mind adding it to the press archive on the wiki? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Thanks, a On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > Dear all, > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > the following URL : > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > Best Regards > Fred > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've spoken to the honourable people of FAMSCO, and you've already approved this event :) Gavin has emailed me directly, and I've responded :) Cheers! /j -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Fri Mar 24 11:23:12 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:23:12 -0000 (GMT) Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37424.195.38.86.72.1143199392.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > This is great news Gavin! > > Please let the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (Famsco) know if > you need any support for this. No problem. I joined the UK section last night and got approved by Thomas yesterday. Thanks. > > Thank you, > Alex > > On 3/23/06, Gavin Henry wrote: >> Dear Lists, >> >> I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: >> >> http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page >> >> It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: >> >> Latest Speakers >> >> * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu >> * Gervase Markham - TBC >> * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora >> * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun >> * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source >> * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace >> * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap >> * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source >> * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi >> * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu >> * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl >> * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a >> twist >> * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 >> * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing >> * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper >> * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark >> * Alex Hudson - Hula >> * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network >> * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument >> * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu >> * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org >> * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops >> * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond >> * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails >> * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage >> * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank >> * Ewan Spence - TBC >> * Christian Schaller - GStreamer >> >> Latest Exhibitors >> >> * CentOS >> * Joomla! >> * UKLinux >> * MythTV >> * Bytemark Hosting >> * OpenDocument Fellowship >> * KDE/Kubuntu >> * O'Reilly >> >> So quite high-profile! >> >> Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel >> Team. >> >> I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? >> >> Anyone other ideas? >> >> Can we get any goodies to give away? >> >> Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main >> LugRadio Site? >> >> Thoughts most welcome! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gavin. >> >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> >> Gavin Henry. >> Managing Director. >> >> T +44 (0) 1224 279484 >> M +44 (0) 7930 323266 >> F +44 (0) 1224 742001 >> E ghenry at suretecsystems.com >> >> Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). >> >> http://www.suretecsystems.com/ >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Mar 24 14:52:29 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603231150g6350e650se3de3d7c4fb76181@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270603231150g6350e650se3de3d7c4fb76181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143211950.2495.10.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Hi Fred, don't mind adding your link to the wiki, i did it :) I also added other websites, all talking about the availability of FC5, in French. All these websties are computer-sciencing related ones. http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27445-Fedora-Core-5-est-enfin-disponible.htm http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/Fedora-Core-5-15689/ http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/des_details_sur_fedora_core_5_ar7441.html http://www.generation-nt.com/actualites/13262/fedora-core-5 http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/fedora_core_5_disponible_ar7430.html http://www.fedora-france.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=179 http://linuxfr.org/2006/03/20/20538.html The last one is very interesting, because linuxfr.org is the most visited linux french websites, and many people there are very very caustic in their coments about everything, but this time they were not! it's good for us :p Regards, Thomas Canniot Le jeudi 23 mars 2006 ? 14:50 -0500, Alex Maier a ?crit : > Fred, > > thanks for posting this. mind adding it to the press archive on the wiki? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > Thanks, > a > > On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > > the following URL : > > > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > > > Best Regards > > Fred > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 24 18:15:06 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:15:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rethinking the Freemedia problem Message-ID: Just free thinking here. Stop me if I'm an idiot. :) We've clearly got LOTS of demand. What we need is more participants. BUT... we don't want to burden participants like we've burdened poor Thomas. :) Maybe we need more structure and tools to scale participation -- and a way to "guarantee" response times. So let me bounce this structure off you: 1. THE RECRUITER PAGE. Maybe we make a real easy webpage that says something like this: Join Up! Lots of messaging here about how you're sharing the fun! Tell us: * Name and email; * Where you live; * Whether you prefer to send CDs, DVDs, or both; * Where you're willing to send CDs/DVDs; * How many per week you're willing to send. 2. THE INPUT QUEUE. Same as what we have now, except the request goes into a simple database that tracks address, date of request, and who's handling it, if anyone. 3. THE REQUEST ENGINE. Basically, it goes through and matches volunteers to requests -- at a rate that precisely matches the volunteer's desire to help. If someone can send one DVD / set of CDs a week, that's exactly what we ask them to send. 4. THE BACKLOG. We show the backlog on a webpage, and given the number of requests we have, we estimate a delivery time for every single CD/DVD request we have in the queue. 5. THE RATING. :) Once someone promises to send CDs/DVDs to someone, we need a way to find out if it happened. Actually, what we *really* need is a way to find out if it *didn't* happen. Maybe an "Oops!" counter. If someone accumulates a few Oopses, they'll get a gentle reminder that they made a promise. If they accumulate a bunch of Oopses, they're dropped from the rotation. ===== So. Thoughts? There's some work here, but for a reasonably competent web programmer... it's really not tough. Just requires someone with hands and time. :) Might also be nice to donate such an application to the community at large... --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 18:29:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:59:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core 5 announcements in the wild Message-ID: <1143224957.3802.149.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi Just a collection of Fedora Core 5 announcements. If there are any other announcements in popular news sites that I missed out, let me know. In particular all the reviews that I haven't responded to yet. These are all in English. If you have reviews or announcements in other languages, feel free to forward them to the list with preferably a brief translation in English. http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=3260&scatid=4&contid=3 http://www.marketflash.in/post/view_article.php?id=1003 http://news.com.com/Red+Hats+Fedora+5+boosts+desktop +features/2100-7344_3-6052400.html http://lwn.net/Articles/176235/ http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6155291164.html http://www.cio.in/news/viewArticle/ARTICLEID=1070# http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/20/163216.shtml http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14024 http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,109805,00.html http://weblog.infoworld.com/daily/archives/2006/03/red_hat_issues.html http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3592731 Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 19:09:58 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:09:58 -0500 Subject: Inquiry - General marketing questions from a student of international business In-Reply-To: <26c71ad70603231221t535a271arc2b788e52b615af3@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c71ad70603180237g1cf49cddt98d569c3d29004b2@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603192121n2ae29831x8395ba04c1f214db@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603192321s3670cdecrcee9b36d8284d757@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270603231155k7ea81a91s362344ac62446376@mail.gmail.com> <26c71ad70603231221t535a271arc2b788e52b615af3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603241109w2145bb5ah9192c0d3324dbbb@mail.gmail.com> I will respond to some questions, as most of them were answered by the great post by Tejas. and BTW, no offense taken--direct questions are the best! On 3/23/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > I just feel fascinated by the task of marketeers in the Fedora community. > Although you are not a commercial distribution, I should believe that even > the marketing department has some goals to obtain? For example; get review > in 5 magazines a month, or get so many registered fedora users, or so many > downloads.... Nope, we do not have any set goals, and we do not have a structure to enforce them. Whatever the community does, is great, and a good thing is that there are thousands of people out there who each contribute whatever little resources they can spare, and together we achieve the impact you see. > Finally, is the marketing "department" of the fedora community in contact > with the creators/developers? Yes, by all means. As we are not a commercial organization, but a group of volunteers, many of us "moonlight" as developers or vice versa. We have email lists to which anyone can subscribe, such as fedora-marketing list, and on these lists everyone can submit their input. We also have a wiki, on which our projects and sub-projects keep their information for the whole world to review and comment on. This is how we ensure that information flows freely between the projects within Fedora, as well as between the project itself and the rest of the world :) Now if I may ask you a question--in what project are you going to use the information about Fedora? Is there any way you might be interested in contributing? Thank you, Alex > On 3/23/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Partick, > > > > Please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ for > some > > background information. > > > > Fedora is not a commercial distribution, so we do not really have a > > corporate strategy behind all our actions. Rather, we try to draw > > attention to our projects and recruit more contributors. > > > > I have forwarded your request to fedora-marketing-list, and the folks > > there shall be in touch with you shortly with all sorts of in-depth > > comments. > > > > I really do not feel like I am the only person who konws all the truth > > about Fedora Marketin, and this is why I asked them to help me out :) > > > > If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch > > with me again--I will try to help as much as I can. > > > > Thank you, > > Alex > > > > On 3/20/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > So if I get this right, seeing that you are indeed head of marketing, > the > > > fedora marketing team focusses their attention on promotion. Is Fedora > Core > > > not adapted to fit the needs of it's members, by lets say a broad > survey, or > > > is it estimated what the target audience wants? > > > > > > Does the fedora marketing team have any firm strategic or operational > > > targets to obtain? > > > > > > I'm mostly interested in fedora's marketing strategy since it is very > much > > > different from a regular company. It is indeed non profitable and you do > not > > > have a tangible item. > > > > > > Friendly greetings, > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > On 3/20/06, Alex Maier < lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Patrick, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. I lead the Ambassadors project, > > > > and this is what I can speak for :) > > > > > > > > The Ambassadors project is a grass-roots initiative mostly centered > > > > around "getting the word out" to the people outside the Fedora project > > > > and also helping Fedora Project communicate with Fedora and Linux > > > > community. > > > > > > > > If you have any more questions, please feel free to get in touch with > > > > me or the entire Steering Committee (Famsco) for more help. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your interest in Fedora, > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > On 3/18/06, Patrick Windt wrote: > > > > > Dear mrs. Maier, > > > > > > > > > > As an international marketing student, I was wondering in what > aspects > > > the > > > > > marketing department of "fedora" is integrated in the final product > > > release. > > > > > Or is the marketing of fedora solely based on "getting the word out" > ? > > > > > > > > > > I would love to get some insight in the marketing plan of Fedora... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Patrick Windt > > > paddy.windt at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Patrick Windt > paddy.windt at gmail.com -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 20:46:25 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:46:25 -0500 Subject: LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF In-Reply-To: <4423D642.2070006@redhat.com> References: <57004.195.38.86.72.1143109865.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <7f617d270603231144o6e4add21icc5e7d2b337c6f90@mail.gmail.com> <4423D642.2070006@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270603241246o65e3fd0epd62fb48fee570014@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I did not realise it was the SAME event. Jon, Gavin, please coordinate with each other so we can support you most effectively! Thanks, a On 3/24/06, Jon Fautley wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > This is great news Gavin! > > > > Please let the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (Famsco) know if > > you need any support for this. > > There seems to be some mis-communication on this. I've spoken to the > honourable people of FAMSCO, and you've already approved this event :) > > Gavin has emailed me directly, and I've responded :) > > Cheers! > > /j > -- > Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 > Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 > Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 > 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Mar 24 22:44:41 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:44:41 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 5 announcements in the wild In-Reply-To: <1143224957.3802.149.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143224957.3802.149.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143240282.2424.5.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 ? 23:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > Just a collection of Fedora Core 5 announcements. If there are any other > announcements in popular news sites that I missed out, let me know. In > particular all the reviews that I haven't responded to yet. These are > all in English. If you have reviews or announcements in other languages, > feel free to forward them to the list with preferably a brief > translation in English. > > > > http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=3260&scatid=4&contid=3 > http://www.marketflash.in/post/view_article.php?id=1003 > http://news.com.com/Red+Hats+Fedora+5+boosts+desktop > +features/2100-7344_3-6052400.html > http://lwn.net/Articles/176235/ > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6155291164.html > http://www.cio.in/news/viewArticle/ARTICLEID=1070# > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/20/163216.shtml > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14024 > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,109805,00.html > http://weblog.infoworld.com/daily/archives/2006/03/red_hat_issues.html > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3592731 > > Rahul > > Here they are in French! http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27445-Fedora-Core-5-est-enfin-disponible.htm http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/Fedora-Core-5-15689/ http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/des_details_sur_fedora_core_5_ar7441.html http://www.generation-nt.com/actualites/13262/fedora-core-5 http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/fedora_core_5_disponible_ar7430.html http://www.fedora-france.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=179 http://linuxfr.org/2006/03/20/20538.html It will be lots of work to translate them, but be sure no mistake has been made by them :) Thomas From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Mar 24 22:52:59 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:52:59 +0100 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video Message-ID: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Hello everybody ! When i last saw Puneet's work in flash it gave me some ideas... first that i really think we need a advertisement video to play on loop on booth for example! People really like videos. I'm introducing here what i've done tonight, the beginning of a video introducing Fedora Core. It is still in development, i have many ideas about a lot of things. Here it is : http://www.mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.avi (2Mo) To play it, even if it no kind of divx video, i was not able to play it with totem, but xine, without any properietary codec read it very well. I would like to have feedbacks, as many as possible, about speed, visual effects and the more important, content. For the moment i am adding the headlines the the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview page, i don't think i will include them all. The file format has not been decided yet, i don't think i will keep this raw avi file format. Well, tell me what you think! Thanks, Thomas canniot From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Mar 24 23:01:04 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rethinking the Freemedia problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg, I think this a great idea, and a perfect project for some folks who are interested in contributing engineering talent to Fedora in an area that it's sorely needed. > 3. THE REQUEST ENGINE. > > Basically, it goes through and matches volunteers to requests -- at a rate > that precisely matches the volunteer's desire to help. If someone can > send one DVD / set of CDs a week, that's exactly what we ask them to send. > > 4. THE BACKLOG. > > We show the backlog on a webpage, and given the number of requests we > have, we estimate a delivery time for every single CD/DVD request we have > in the queue. The selection algorithm actually allows us to make some very interesting choices. You want to optimize the throughput based on the number of people available to burn media, but we could also choose whose requests are processed not only based on order in which they were requested, but based on minimizing geographical distance between the requestor and the providor, or frequency of request, etc. Should someone who's requesting media all of the time should be thottled compared to someone who's never requested anything and is now making an initial request? I think so. There's tons of room in this design space for clever thinking. > Might also be nice to donate such an application to the community at > large... For sure. -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 23:01:04 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:01:04 -0800 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> On 3/24/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > When i last saw Puneet's work in flash it gave me some ideas... first > that i really think we need a advertisement video to play on loop on > booth for example! People really like videos. > > I'm introducing here what i've done tonight, the beginning of a video > introducing Fedora Core. It is still in development, i have many ideas > about a lot of things. > > Here it is : http://www.mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.avi (2Mo) > > To play it, even if it no kind of divx video, i was not able to play it > with totem, but xine, without any properietary codec read it very well. > > I would like to have feedbacks, as many as possible, about speed, visual > effects and the more important, content. For the moment i am adding the > headlines the the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview page, i don't > think i will include them all. > > The file format has not been decided yet, i don't think i will keep this > raw avi file format. > > Well, tell me what you think! > > Thanks, > > Thomas canniot Exellent Job, I've converted it into Ogg Theora Video and posted at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Fri Mar 24 23:07:50 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:07:50 +0100 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 ? 15:01 -0800, Thomas Chung a ?crit : > On 3/24/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Hello everybody ! > > > > When i last saw Puneet's work in flash it gave me some ideas... first > > that i really think we need a advertisement video to play on loop on > > booth for example! People really like videos. > > > > I'm introducing here what i've done tonight, the beginning of a video > > introducing Fedora Core. It is still in development, i have many ideas > > about a lot of things. > > > > Here it is : http://www.mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.avi (2Mo) > > > > To play it, even if it no kind of divx video, i was not able to play it > > with totem, but xine, without any properietary codec read it very well. > > > > I would like to have feedbacks, as many as possible, about speed, visual > > effects and the more important, content. For the moment i am adding the > > headlines the the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview page, i don't > > think i will include them all. > > > > The file format has not been decided yet, i don't think i will keep this > > raw avi file format. > > > > Well, tell me what you think! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Thomas canniot > > Exellent Job, Thanks! > I've converted it into Ogg Theora Video and posted at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 > Regards, How do you convert into ogg? Already on the wiki? It's not finished yet :p Thomas > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 23:11:24 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:11:24 -0800 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/24/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > How do you convert into ogg? > Already on the wiki? It's not finished yet :p http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/VideoContest/OggHowto Well, let me know if you have new one ready. I'll convert it for you. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 01:00:52 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:00:52 -0500 Subject: Rethinking the Freemedia problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910603241700t5d6d6843xf93eec40c0fb1c44@mail.gmail.com> On 3/24/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Just free thinking here. Stop me if I'm an idiot. :) Any solution for media distribution should also address the issue of distributing updates equitably on media as well as the release isos. Take a real hard look at how large the update churn is for a fedora release per month of the fedora core 4 release cycle. Take a real hard look at how large the sum total of the size of cummulative updates are right now for a fresh install of fc4 (default and everything). Take a real good look at the number of security updates that have accumulated over the lifetime of the fc4 release. Now tell me.. with a straight face... thats its a good idea to be distributing install media without also taking the responsibility to provide "reasonable" acess to update media to people who don't have the bandwidth to pull it down for themselves and aren't going to be able to reasonable apply all the updates due to bandwidth shortage. Is this an appropriate course of action without also providing a freemedia mechanisms for updates? Now that I've gotten your attention. I'm now going to blow your mind. Now consider...freemedia for Extras... which doesn't have established release points. I also think its a bit unequitable to be talking about a freemedia model built on community manpower which doesn't include the community contributed segment of the packages. -jef"can you tell that my impending move to the wilderness has impacted my thinking as to the importance of update media"spaleta From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 09:38:57 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:08:57 +0530 Subject: Rethinking the Freemedia problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143279537.3975.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 13:15 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Might also be nice to donate such an application to the community at > large... Hmmmm, This app would best be written in python (obviously). I'd love to help write it, as I'm sure many of the python enthusiasts of #fedora-python would. I think you should have a CVS server up somewhere so that we could all work on it. Tejas From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 12:29:48 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:29:48 -0500 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:11 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 3/24/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > How do you convert into ogg? > > Already on the wiki? It's not finished yet :p > > Well, let me know if you have new one ready. I'll convert it for you. > Regards, Thomas, although the ffmpeg2theora software you talk about on the Wiki page is open source, it is not "free," because it depends on the legally encumbered ffmpeg software to function. I am not clear on whether this is appropriate to be on the wiki. I think it would be a much better idea to work with Thomas Canniot on a way of creating videos on his favored platform which are not encumbered with the ffmpeg requirement. Although your work is definitely appreciated, this how-to is useless for people who are keeping their Fedora systems clear of non-free software. I would appreciate others' opinions, though, on how we could solve the problem with truly free software. Thomas Canniot is giving generously of his free time to create these videos, so we need to be sure to help him do it as efficiently as possible. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > Thomas, although the ffmpeg2theora software you talk about on the Wiki > page is open source, it is not "free," because it depends on the legally > encumbered ffmpeg software to function. ffmpeg2theora *binary* is free and its source is licensed under GPL v.2 To use ffmpeg2theora *binary* alone to convert videos, it does not require ffmpeg nor any proprietary codecs. I've already sent you a private email to explain how I can prove my *innocence* :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 23:03:48 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:03:48 -0500 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 13:42 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: >On 3/25/06, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> Thomas, although the ffmpeg2theora software you talk about on the >> Wiki page is open source, it is not "free," because it depends on the >> legally encumbered ffmpeg software to function. > > ffmpeg2theora *binary* is free and its source is licensed under GPL > v.2 > To use ffmpeg2theora *binary* alone to convert videos, it does not > require ffmpeg nor any proprietary codecs. > > I've already sent you a private email to explain how I can prove my > *innocence* :) I sent a reply back, with what I hope is a polite and reasonable explanation as to why this reasoning is unsound. Just so no one on the list gets the wrong idea, I think your heart's in the right place but you simply misunderstand the way the software works. Whether a binary requires external libraries is not, in itself, proof that it is not patent-encumbered. The ffmpeg2theora binary is unacceptable because it has the ffmpeg functions statically compiled in. You can verify this through looking at the source code -- which includes a script to pull down the ffmpeg source code from CVS -- or you can rely on the fact that, in order to decode ffmpeg data, a program *MUST* have access to patent-encumbered functions. There's just no other way to do it; it's not magic, it's just a fact of life. I'm pretty sure there are formats out there that are not similarly encumbered, and which we could probably get Thomas Canniot to put his "raw" video into, and then we could convert it to Ogg Theora. We just need to (a) find someone who knows media files well enough to figure out the correct legally unencumbered format, and (b) convert it to Theora. That's assuming that we can't figure out how Thomas can produce Ogg Theora himself, which may also be possible. Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group can figure out the right answer shortly. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 03:14:27 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:44:27 +0530 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > can figure out the right answer shortly. In short, paul++ I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. Gja From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Mar 26 08:27:22 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:27:22 +0200 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 08:44 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > > can figure out the right answer shortly. > > In short, paul++ > > I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. > > Gja > OK :) Here is the video in ogg theora. The avi file doesn't exist anymore! http://mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.ogg The video has been updated a bit, i found it too fast however. I have to fix that. Thanks! Thomas Canniot From stickster at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 14:34:14 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:34:14 -0500 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <1143383654.2484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:27 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 08:44 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > > > can figure out the right answer shortly. > > > > In short, paul++ > > > > I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. > > > OK :) > > Here is the video in ogg theora. The avi file doesn't exist anymore! > > http://mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.ogg > > The video has been updated a bit, i found it too fast however. I have to > fix that. Thomas (Canniot), can you get in touch with Thomas (Chung) and put up a new wiki page describing to people how you can create these movies in a non-proprietary format, and convert to Ogg? I don't know much about video formats, so I'm hoping you two could report on the tools available on, or for, Fedora to do some of this stuff. That would be really helpful for people who want to get into the creative aspects. The point is not necessarily that we have to do all of this ON Fedora, because the products available on our platform right now are not as efficient as some of the proprietary solutions. But maybe we can help figure out, at the same time as we're creating materials, where the gaps are in the toolchain, so they can be addressed. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields a ?crit : > On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:27 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 08:44 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > > > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > > > > can figure out the right answer shortly. > > > > > > In short, paul++ > > > > > > I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. > > > > > OK :) > > > > Here is the video in ogg theora. The avi file doesn't exist anymore! > > > > http://mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.ogg > > > > The video has been updated a bit, i found it too fast however. I have to > > fix that. > > Thomas (Canniot), can you get in touch with Thomas (Chung) and put up a > new wiki page describing to people how you can create these movies in a > non-proprietary format, and convert to Ogg? I don't know much about > video formats, so I'm hoping you two could report on the tools available > on, or for, Fedora to do some of this stuff. That would be really > helpful for people who want to get into the creative aspects. > > The point is not necessarily that we have to do all of this ON Fedora, > because the products available on our platform right now are not as > efficient as some of the proprietary solutions. But maybe we can help > figure out, at the same time as we're creating materials, where the gaps > are in the toolchain, so they can be addressed. > Well, i searched a bit about converting avi videos files into ogg theora, and the only viable thing i found was ffmpeg2theora, which is also the only converter available from theora.org. Their link to http://www.dogphilosophy.net/SECTION-Technical_Stuff/ogg-theora-microhowto.html is broken, too bad really. Thomas Canniot > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 26 15:48:04 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:18:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143388084.3802.321.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 08:44 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > > can figure out the right answer shortly. > > In short, paul++ > > I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. It's a bit more worse than that. Proprietary Java can be solved technically. We already do that by shipping an environment that runs a large many Java programs out of the box in Fedora. Patents cannot be solved by hacking on it. It is a ugly political issue. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 26 17:21:29 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:21:29 +0200 Subject: FedoraLibraries: ISSN Registration Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603260921q4e3e2dd1la1bd09b2e76dc72f@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, I've started again to push forward this FedoraLibraries http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraLibraries Below is the ISSN APPLICATION FORM, I call for assistance and review : I personally don't have the answer for the following items: -- LANGUAGE(S) OF TEXT : -- PUBLISHER (Name and mail address of the Publishing Company): -- Please do not forget to send it together with a sample issue of the serial: what serial ? ===================================================== ISSN APPLICATION FORM TITLE : Fedora Core 5 'bordeaux' URL (Electronic location for online serials only) VARIANT FORMS OF THE TITLE (Parallel, cover title...): Fedora Core 5 'bordeaux' The Fedora Project FIRST DATE OF PUBLICATION (Year) : 2006 LANGUAGE(S) OF TEXT : US English FREQUENCY: 6 Months SUBJECT: The Fedora Project PHYSICAL MEDIUM OF THE SERIAL (eg., Print, Online, CD-ROM...) : DVD-ROM TITLES OF OTHER LANGUAGE EDITIONS AND/OR ISSN : Fedora Core 5 'bordeaux' TITLES OF OTHER PHYSICAL MEDIUM EDITIONS AND/OR ISSN : DVD-ROM RELATED TITLES (Supplements, insets, series) AND/OR ISSN: Fedora Core FORMER TITLE(S) WHICH THIS SERIAL CONTINUES AND/OR ISSN: Fedora Core PUBLISHER (Name and mail address of the Publishing Company): NAME OF ISSUING BODY (Association, Society, ...) : The Fedora Foundation N.B: The ISSN assignment will be done as soon as we receive this document. Please do not forget to send it together with a sample issue of the serial. The ISSN assignment is free of charge. Thank you for your cooperation. ================================================================= Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From paulds at bu.edu Sun Mar 26 18:00:46 2006 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:00:46 -0500 Subject: FedoraLibraries: ISSN Registration In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603260921q4e3e2dd1la1bd09b2e76dc72f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603260921q4e3e2dd1la1bd09b2e76dc72f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060326180046.GE20041@prozac.horde.com> On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 07:21:29PM +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > -- Please do not forget to send it together with a sample issue of > the serial: what serial ? serial = periodical = a thing published on a regular schedule Sounds like they want a copy of the FC5 DVD sent along with the application. - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 21:55:28 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:28 -0500 Subject: FedoraLibraries: ISSN Registration In-Reply-To: <20060326180046.GE20041@prozac.horde.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603260921q4e3e2dd1la1bd09b2e76dc72f@mail.gmail.com> <20060326180046.GE20041@prozac.horde.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0603261355u4e770417nf425699dc0fc5404@mail.gmail.com> The ISSN sounds like you'd want to use it, but it is generally applied to items where the title is the same, but the contents are completely different each month, like Red Hat Magazine for example. It's common practice for software to use an ISBN for software, even when it revises rapidly, since the versions are considered revisions against the initial core. You can use them in combination, of course. There is a cost for ISBNs, though, and you have to pay when you revise, and send a copy of the newly revised product. You can get it available for library order either way, the ISBN is closer to a standard practice. --jeremy On 3/26/06, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 07:21:29PM +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > -- Please do not forget to send it together with a sample issue of > > the serial: what serial ? > > serial = periodical = a thing published on a regular schedule > > Sounds like they want a copy of the FC5 DVD sent along with the > application. > > - Paul > > -- > Paul Stauffer > Manager of Research Computing > Computer Science Department > Boston University > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Mon Mar 27 23:03:43 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:03:43 +0200 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143384883.2417.21.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241501o533a9a62oc95144a154ba4bee@mail.gmail.com> <1143241670.4069.0.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143383654.2484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143384883.2417.21.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <1143500624.2535.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 16:54 +0200, Thomas Canniot a ?crit : > Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 09:34 -0500, Paul W. Frields a ?crit : > > On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:27 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 08:44 +0530, Tejas Dinkar a ?crit : > > > > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 18:03 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > Thanks again for your enthusiasm and contribution. I'm sure the group > > > > > can figure out the right answer shortly. > > > > > > > > In short, paul++ > > > > > > > > I compare this to an open source program written in proprietary Java. > > > > > > > OK :) > > > > > > Here is the video in ogg theora. The avi file doesn't exist anymore! > > > > > > http://mrtomlinux.org/fedora-movie.ogg > > > > > > The video has been updated a bit, i found it too fast however. I have to > > > fix that. > > > > Thomas (Canniot), can you get in touch with Thomas (Chung) and put up a > > new wiki page describing to people how you can create these movies in a > > non-proprietary format, and convert to Ogg? I don't know much about > > video formats, so I'm hoping you two could report on the tools available > > on, or for, Fedora to do some of this stuff. That would be really > > helpful for people who want to get into the creative aspects. > > > > The point is not necessarily that we have to do all of this ON Fedora, > > because the products available on our platform right now are not as > > efficient as some of the proprietary solutions. But maybe we can help > > figure out, at the same time as we're creating materials, where the gaps > > are in the toolchain, so they can be addressed. > > > Well, i searched a bit about converting avi videos files into ogg > theora, and the only viable thing i found was ffmpeg2theora, which is > also the only converter available from theora.org. > > Their link to > http://www.dogphilosophy.net/SECTION-Technical_Stuff/ogg-theora-microhowto.html is broken, too bad really. > > > Thomas Canniot > Here it is! I think it is the last version, please tell me what you think about it, if something is missing or not, if there is any problem, tell me! It is available from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 The file is fedora-movie.ogg. Thanks! Thomas Canniot From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 00:08:25 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:08:25 -0800 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143500624.2535.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143383654.2484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143384883.2417.21.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143500624.2535.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603261608g7fdcc80blf036ef3a4a077476@mail.gmail.com> On 3/27/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Here it is! > > I think it is the last version, please tell me what you think about it, > if something is missing or not, if there is any problem, tell me! > > It is available from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 > > The file is fedora-movie.ogg. > > Thanks! > > Thomas Canniot Excellent! Thank you for great work! Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 02:21:33 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:51:33 +0530 Subject: French reviews of Fedora Core 5 and the language issue Message-ID: <1143426094.3802.361.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi I have come across the following reviews of Fedora Core 5. I have managed to get the overall impressions of the reviewer through machine translations but I am not sure the reviewers would understand if I respond in English. Either I can respond here in English and someone can translate and send in a response in French or someone who speaks French can respond in it and send in a translation in English to this list too. This applies for all the other languages too. How do we proceed with this http://www.frlinux.net/?section=distributions&article=169 http://www.quebecos.com/modules/sections/index.php? op=viewarticle&artid=43 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 02:30:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:00:58 +0530 Subject: What made you chose Fedora? Message-ID: <1143426658.3802.367.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi There are some common themes that we could understand better. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50884 Rahul From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Mon Mar 27 02:46:41 2006 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:46:41 -0500 Subject: New Member introduction Message-ID: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> Good evening, all. Greg DeKoenigsberg suggested I join this list and introduce myself. First off, I'm Karlie Robinson. I am the Owner of Webpath Technologies in Rochester, NY, USA. Our current focus is On-Disk.com and the Developers Portal at http://portal.on-disk.com What makes On-Disk.com different from the countless other FOSS-on-a-disc vendors, is that we want to be a vehicle for independent software and digital media developers. Allowing them to fund their projects when a user orders a CD/DVD with their release. I won't trouble the list with all the details since most of them can be found on our websites. But, please feel free to email me with any questions you may have. I'm happy to answer them. Now to the reason Greg asked me to write... Background - On-Disk.com will do custom downloads to disc and we get requests for Fedora. So I asked Greg about listing with us via the portal. Due to the vow never to monetize Fedora, listing with us doesn't really work. Since C5 was released, the requests for custom burns warrants adding Fedora to our catalog (which isn't done yet). Today while I was digging in the wiki for fodder for the listing, I came across the FreeMedia project and had an idea. Below is the email I sent to Greg for you to comment upon. (FYI, Todd is my husband/business partner/*nix monkey) I look forward to talking with you, Karlie Robinson On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Karlie Robinson wrote: > I'm finally beginning to write the Fedora listing for On-disk.com. > > While I was digging around in your wiki for the listing, I came across > more on the FreeMedia project. > > What about using On-Disk.com as a Fedorian Embassy? (yes, I know. > Todd's sense of humor sneaking in) > > You've got people who want to donate money to Fedora, but you're also > saying that you don't have the capacity to keep up with the FreeMedia > requests. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia > > Now on to the raw idea... And keep in mind there is probably more than > one way to go about this. > > The price of the DVD at On-Disk will be at the minimum of $4.99 plus > $1.76 Domestic shipping. > > We can add an option to the disc listings so that people ordering Fedora > C5 could add to the price they pay. Say they add $5.75... They would > get the disc they paid for, plus now, they've paid for someone else to > get a disc via the FreeMedia Project. > > Another Option would be someone not wanting a disc from us... they could > pay for a disc and change the ship-to address to trigger it as an > ambassador disc (Fedorian Embassy c/o Fedora Foundation...) > > What we would need to figure out is the reporting system so that > everyone can be on the same page and that we can get discs out in a > timely manner. > > Will it fit within the guise of a contributor willing to burn the DVD's > at their own expense? Just that we'll have a way to get users with > money hooked up with the Ambassadors and more discs out via the > FreeMedia project. > > Your thoughts? > > -- > Karlie Robinson > Owner, Webpath Technologies > On the Web at: > http://webpath.net > http://on-disk.com > http://portal.on-disk.com > From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 03:08:13 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:08:13 -0500 Subject: New Member introduction In-Reply-To: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910603261908n56346dc5h9fbcb2dc05e3a07a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/26/06, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Background - On-Disk.com will do custom downloads to disc and we get > requests for Fedora. So I asked Greg about listing with us via the > portal. Due to the vow never to monetize Fedora, listing with us > doesn't really work. > > Since C5 was released, the requests for custom burns warrants adding > Fedora to our catalog (which isn't done yet). Do you have the ability and are willing to ship CDs which incorporate subsets of Fedora Extras snapshotted at specific points in time? Do you have the ability and are willing to ship CDs which contain the software consisting of snapshots of the fcX update trees at specific points in time? > > The price of the DVD at On-Disk will be at the minimum of $4.99 plus > > $1.76 Domestic shipping. Any chance to trigger the bulk ordering discount of 15% via prepaying for media which will be distributed in the Freemedia or Ambassadors? As in can you engineer it so that you collect prepayment orders from a number of people and lump to prepayments into a bulk order of 15 disks so those 15 disks get the bulk discount? Since the prepayment is going to be happening some unspecified time before the disks actually get printed, would n't it be possible to roll seperate prepayments into a single 'bulk' set? -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 03:41:55 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:11:55 +0530 Subject: A Quick Look at Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <1143430915.3802.418.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi Eugenia, http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14111 Thanks for the review of Fedora Core 5. You have remarked about the performance improvements that we have had in Fedora Core 5p and wondered whether the system monitor application's algorithm has changed or whether GNOME and Fedora actually has optimized to this extend. It turn's out that we did make some big jumps over the development process. Many of these improvements are what we inherited from the upstream development (including some of these made by Red Hat developers) rather than Fedora specific improvements but we still share the benefits as always. While you have been positive about the general package management improvements through Pirut and Pup, you have mentioned that Pirut is still buggy. Can you report these bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com and list them? On the review, you have mentioned that sound mixing works by default without manual configuration through .asoundrc files. This is a feature that works starting from Fedora Core 4 and not a new one to this release. I would appreciate if you can file bug reports on the suspend feature not working on your laptop as well as issue with the touchpad configuration. I was unable to reproduce the GNOME 2.14 issue about preferences that you have mentioned in the review. I didn't see it get discussed anywhere in our lists or forums which I keep a close eye on. So i truly seems weird to me. A menu editor is part of Fedora Core 5 (GNOME 2.12 wasnt included in any Fedora release). You just have to right click the menu bar in the panel and click on edit menus to access this feature. Also FUSA is disabled in the menus due to some thorny issues with device ownership on consoles. Both of these are highlighted in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/FC5Common listed in our frontpage. You have mentioned that FC6 will rock even better with AIGLX. While that's of course true, you can try this out even with FC5, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/AiglxOnFedora Let me tackle the cons part one by one * Suspend-to-RAM didn't work as advertised - As mentioned earlier I would like to see a bug report on this. This is highly hardware specific and while it works on many hardware that we explicitly tested on (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL/Machines/Laptops), we aren't perfect yet. * No phone tools (PDA support hit and miss) - True. Has been a major pain point for quite sometime in Fedora. I am hoping that we see some traction and maturity with a common framework like opensync. * A pain to install non-free stuff manually - While not in match with the ideals of the Fedora Project, as a general issue about adding repositories, many of them now usually have a repository-release.rpm or similar package which drops in a repository in /etc/yum.repos.d which is better than manually tweaking configuration files. Fedora Extras and custom repositories during installation time might even happen as soon as Fedora Core 6. Work has already been done in FC5 time frame to get Anaconda to support yum as its dependency resolver. * No iMovie/iDVD-style applications - Not sure which one matches this requirement now to be included in Fedora Core. Maybe Diva, Kino or Pitvi would be good enough at some point in the future. * No UI for most Bluetooth profiles - Haven't use bluetooth enabled devices. KDE has a application. GNOME support could be improved better. * No Gnome menu editor included - It is. As already indicated just right click on the menu bar. * No Fast User Switch applet - True. We still have to hash out some issues in this implementation. Thanks again for the review. Looking forward to a release of Fedora Core 6 and your review of it. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 04:09:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:39:32 +0530 Subject: A Quick Look at Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <3d08524f0603262002l64fa23e3i52fca019a7afd07c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143430915.3802.418.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <3d08524f0603262002l64fa23e3i52fca019a7afd07c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143432573.3802.426.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 20:02 -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: > Hi, > thanks for the email. > > > While you have been positive about the general package management > > improvements through Pirut and Pup, you have mentioned that Pirut is > > still buggy. Can you report these bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com and > > list them? > > I stopped filing bug reports for most projects a long time ago, about > the time I got 20 accounts on different projects that became too many. > These days, I only file bugs directly to Gnome and mostly to my main > distribution, Arch Linux. I am just a reviewer, not a user that will > use FC all the time, so I don't feel the need to take the time and > file bugs. Sort of reasonable but short of what I would expect from a technical user and one who was taken enough time to actually review the release. Anyway would you atleast list them, so I can see if I can reproduce and then file bug reports on it myself? > > > On the review, you have mentioned that sound mixing works by default > > without manual configuration through .asoundrc files. This is a feature > > that works starting from Fedora Core 4 and not a new one to this > > release. > > It didn't work for me on FC4. Ok. > > > I would appreciate if you can file bug reports on the suspend feature > > not working on your laptop as well as issue with the touchpad > > configuration. > > I might actually just file this one, because if Red Hat fixes it, it > is a good chance that then my main distro will get a fix too, as my > distro's maintainers are not kernel guys. > > > I was unable to reproduce the GNOME 2.14 issue about preferences that > > you have mentioned in the review. I didn't see it get discussed anywhere > > in our lists or forums which I keep a close eye on. So i truly seems > > weird to me. > > It is a small warning window exactly when opening some gnome prefs. > That window stays open for less than half a second. Then, it closes > all by itself. It's a bit unprofessional imho. > > > A menu editor is part of Fedora Core 5 (GNOME 2.12 wasnt included in any > > Fedora release). You just have to right click the menu bar in the panel > > and click on edit menus to access this feature. > > Except the fact that there is a huge disoverabilty issue about this > (two FC5 reviews so far, two reviewers didn't find it), I find this > menu editor very bare bones. For example, what I wanted to do was to > make Ekiga's name smaller in the menus, because it was too long. The > current menu editor doesn't let me do that. Yeah.Atleast you can use that GNOME bugzilla account of yours now ;-) > > > Also FUSA is disabled in > > the menus due to some thorny issues with device ownership on consoles. > > Both of these are highlighted in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/FC5Common listed in our frontpage. > > I see. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. There has been various discussions about it. Might be a tricky issue. > > > * No iMovie/iDVD-style applications - Not sure which one matches this > > requirement now to be included in Fedora Core. Maybe Diva, Kino or Pitvi > > would be good enough at some point in the future. > > Yes, in the very futuristic future. I am waiting for a good Linux > *home* video editor since 2002. ;) Of course. If you find anything mature enough to be included in the distributions, let us know and we will take a good look at it. Rahul From michael at knox.net.nz Mon Mar 27 04:13:32 2006 From: michael at knox.net.nz (Michael J Knox) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:13:32 +1200 Subject: A Quick Look at Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: <1143432573.3802.426.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143430915.3802.418.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <3d08524f0603262002l64fa23e3i52fca019a7afd07c@mail.gmail.com> <1143432573.3802.426.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4427666C.2050403@knox.net.nz> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> I was unable to reproduce the GNOME 2.14 issue about preferences that >>> you have mentioned in the review. I didn't see it get discussed anywhere >>> in our lists or forums which I keep a close eye on. So i truly seems >>> weird to me. >> It is a small warning window exactly when opening some gnome prefs. >> That window stays open for less than half a second. Then, it closes >> all by itself. It's a bit unprofessional imho. I have this one. I have not yet filed a bug, but I have this happening too me. When I have some decent repo steps, a bug will be filed. Michael From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Tue Mar 28 06:37:23 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:37:23 +0200 Subject: French reviews of Fedora Core 5 and the language issue In-Reply-To: <1143426094.3802.361.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143426094.3802.361.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143527843.2463.2.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le lundi 27 mars 2006 ? 07:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > I have come across the following reviews of Fedora Core 5. I have > managed to get the overall impressions of the reviewer through machine > translations but I am not sure the reviewers would understand if I > respond in English. Either I can respond here in English and someone can > translate and send in a response in French or someone who speaks French > can respond in it and send in a translation in English to this list too. > This applies for all the other languages too. How do we proceed with > this > > > http://www.frlinux.net/?section=distributions&article=169 > http://www.quebecos.com/modules/sections/index.php? > op=viewarticle&artid=43 > > Rahul Do it, i'll translate your response into French Regards Thomas Canniot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 27 07:19:08 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:49:08 +0530 Subject: Rethinking the Freemedia problem In-Reply-To: <1143279537.3975.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143279537.3975.2.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143443948.3802.444.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 15:08 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 13:15 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Might also be nice to donate such an application to the community at > > large... > > Hmmmm, This app would best be written in python (obviously). > > I'd love to help write it, as I'm sure many of the python enthusiasts of > #fedora-python would. > > I think you should have a CVS server up somewhere so that we could all > work on it. Fedora Extras cvs is open to all. If you need to host code, use sf.net or something like that Rahul From jfautley at redhat.com Mon Mar 27 08:27:53 2006 From: jfautley at redhat.com (Jon Fautley) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:27:53 +0100 Subject: Novell funding a tour of all UK LUGs Message-ID: <4427A209.9010008@redhat.com> Hi all, It seems that Novell have got some money to burn before the end of the financial year, and are funding a tour of all UK Linux User Groups. They're flying one of their guys over from the US, and he's teaming up with a fairly well known and respected author/journalist/podcaster/writer called Jono Bacon and they're being funded to visit as many LUGs as they can and promote Novell's products. There's more information at http://www.jonobacon.org/uklugtour/ Thoughts/comments/flames/discussions? :) /j -- Jon Fautley direct: +44 1483 739615 Technical Account Manager office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat UK mobile: +44 7841 558683 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Mon Mar 27 12:46:15 2006 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:46:15 -0500 Subject: New Member introduction In-Reply-To: <604aa7910603261908n56346dc5h9fbcb2dc05e3a07a@mail.gmail.com> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <604aa7910603261908n56346dc5h9fbcb2dc05e3a07a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4427DE97.4070108@webpath.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 13:25:38 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:55:38 +0530 Subject: FC5 Review Message-ID: <1143465938.2048.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_5_review.html Nice Review Gja From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Mon Mar 27 13:59:01 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:59:01 +0200 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0603261608g7fdcc80blf036ef3a4a077476@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143383654.2484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143384883.2417.21.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143500624.2535.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603261608g7fdcc80blf036ef3a4a077476@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143467941.9314.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le dimanche 26 mars 2006 ? 16:08 -0800, Thomas Chung a ?crit : > On 3/27/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Here it is! > > > > I think it is the last version, please tell me what you think about it, > > if something is missing or not, if there is any problem, tell me! > > > > It is available from > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 > > > > The file is fedora-movie.ogg. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Thomas Canniot > > Excellent! Thank you for great work! > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > What about uploading the video on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations ? Regards, Thomas Canniot From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Mar 27 14:33:49 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:33:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC5 Review In-Reply-To: <1143465938.2048.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <20060327143350.30381.qmail@web34103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_5_review.html Finally, someone who actually wrote an article on _using_ it! -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE Mon Mar 27 14:34:27 2006 From: Frederic.Hornain at GB.BE (Hornain Frederic) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:34:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 Message-ID: Hi MrTom, Thanks a lot cause I haven't got a lot of time for the moment. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Thomas Canniot Sent: Fri 24/03/2006 15:52 To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] French press article on FC5 Hi Fred, don't mind adding your link to the wiki, i did it :) I also added other websites, all talking about the availability of FC5, in French. All these websties are computer-sciencing related ones. http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/27445-Fedora-Core-5-est-enfin-disponible.htm http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/Fedora-Core-5-15689/ http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/des_details_sur_fedora_core_5_ar7441.html http://www.generation-nt.com/actualites/13262/fedora-core-5 http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/fedora_core_5_disponible_ar7430.html http://www.fedora-france.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=179 http://linuxfr.org/2006/03/20/20538.html The last one is very interesting, because linuxfr.org is the most visited linux french websites, and many people there are very very caustic in their coments about everything, but this time they were not! it's good for us :p Regards, Thomas Canniot Le jeudi 23 mars 2006 ? 14:50 -0500, Alex Maier a ?crit : > Fred, > > thanks for posting this. mind adding it to the press archive on the wiki? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > Thanks, > a > > On 3/23/06, Hornain Frederic wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > FYI, you could read an french overview about the new release of Fedora at > > the following URL : > > > > http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-linux-fedora-core-5-est-disponible-18958.html > > > > Best Regards > > Fred > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:16:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora Presentation Video In-Reply-To: <1143467941.9314.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1143240779.2424.14.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603241511q54901029oe444fc909b88cf8d@mail.gmail.com> <1143289789.2505.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0603251342j6f6e3843re879003037478b28@mail.gmail.com> <1143327828.14000.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143342867.1991.1.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <1143361642.2386.6.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143383654.2484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143384883.2417.21.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143500624.2535.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <369bce3b0603261608g7fdcc80blf036ef3a4a077476@mail.gmail.com> <1143467941.9314.1.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: <1143472601.2725.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 15:59 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > What about uploading the video on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations ? 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Jeremy From mattdm at mattdm.org Tue Mar 28 12:23:03 2006 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:23:03 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Release Notes Errata - Wiki Freeze In-Reply-To: <1143516515.3140.1.camel@aglarond.local> References: <1143503822.13193.18.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <1143516515.3140.1.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <20060328122303.GA19783@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 10:28:35PM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > One question I have for Development is can we then roll these new > > updated release notes and translations in to a package update for our > > users? > Traditionally, we haven't done updates to the fedora-release package to > avoid some potential confusion/snafus. It's something we could consider > doing I guess. Maybe a good idea to break the release notes out of the fedora-release package? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 28 13:43:24 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:13:24 +0530 Subject: FC5 Review In-Reply-To: <1143465938.2048.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <1143465938.2048.6.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143553404.3802.495.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:55 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_5_review.html > > Nice Review ehmm. I already responded to this one. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2006- March/msg00200.html I got some off list followups even. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 01:28:10 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:58:10 +0530 Subject: Yet another review of FC5 Message-ID: <1143595690.3802.585.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi More of a installation than a review but take a look anyway. For once, I dont feel compelled to write a response. http://www.partha.com/ Rahul From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 29 20:01:20 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:01:20 +0100 Subject: New Member introduction In-Reply-To: <4427DE97.4070108@webpath.net> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <604aa7910603261908n56346dc5h9fbcb2dc05e3a07a@mail.gmail.com> <4427DE97.4070108@webpath.net> Message-ID: <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> After talking about this on irc, the following concerns were brought up: * If we give one vendor special treatment by mentioning them on the FM page, they'll all want it. * The idea, as good as it is, is still primarily as a 'vendor'. * It isn't quite FreeMedia, but it is closely related. So, after this solution was proposed on IRC, I bring you.. Sponsored Media. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia So, everyone take a look, see what you think, what you like, what you hate, etc. flames > /dev/null please. Clair From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Mar 29 20:30:47 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:30:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <604aa7910603261908n56346dc5h9fbcb2dc05e3a07a@mail.gmail.com> <4427DE97.4070108@webpath.net> <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Clair wrote: > * If we give one vendor special treatment by mentioning them on the FM > page, they'll all want it. Is it really special treatment? Special treatment, in my mind, would be putting a vendor to the top of the list because they offered us a kickback. Special treatment implies "shady dealings". I don't see this proposal as being special treatment at all. Karlie is voluteering to offer a service that *none* of the other vendors are offering, and we are acknowledging that. It's not like she is the *only* vendor who can do this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of our vendors believed so strongly in Fedora that they wanted to do the same thing? > * The idea, as good as it is, is still primarily as a 'vendor'. * It > isn't quite FreeMedia, but it is closely related. FreeMedia: some entity says "i'll create and ship, at cost to myself, X number of Fedora discs to people in the queue. I decide what X is, and that's fine with you guys, because you'll take *anything*". All Karlie is doing is stating *her* manner for determining X. X == the number of orders that she gets for Fedora. She is acting as a vendor and as a FreeMedia participant. The fact is, she can fulfill a *much* larger number of FreeMedia requests than random people who are burning DVDs at home, because *this is what she does*. What it looks like here is that we've reached the point where Fedora Marketing has incubated an idea to the point where it needs to have its own project. It's time for Fedora to have a Media Project, that can look at the issues here, and figure out the best way to work with Karlie. This should encompass the FreeMedia efforts that are already going on, formalize it, figure out the issues, and make things happen. You have my support, and Greg's as well I'm sure. Tejas Dinkar has offered to work on the code of a request tracking queue. We need a couple of people step up and handle the logistics. Thomas Chung seems a likely candidate, since he's heavily involved in FreeMedia as well. Who else wants to be involved? Thomas has his hands in lots of pieces of Fedora, and this is a good opportunity for someone to step up and be a leader. -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 29 20:35:34 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:35:34 +0100 Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603292135.34441.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:30, Max Spevack wrote: > Is it really special treatment? Special treatment, in my mind, would be > putting a vendor to the top of the list because they offered us a > kickback. Special treatment implies "shady dealings". I don't see this > proposal as being special treatment at all. Karlie is voluteering to > offer a service that *none* of the other vendors are offering, and we are > acknowledging that. It's not like she is the *only* vendor who can do > this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of our vendors believed so strongly > in Fedora that they wanted to do the same thing? Ah, but until recently one of the vendors was also giving away free media. Clair From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Mar 29 20:49:10 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:49:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: <200603292135.34441.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <200603292135.34441.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Clair wrote: > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:30, Max Spevack wrote: >> Is it really special treatment? Special treatment, in my mind, would be >> putting a vendor to the top of the list because they offered us a >> kickback. Special treatment implies "shady dealings". I don't see this >> proposal as being special treatment at all. Karlie is voluteering to >> offer a service that *none* of the other vendors are offering, and we are >> acknowledging that. It's not like she is the *only* vendor who can do >> this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of our vendors believed so strongly >> in Fedora that they wanted to do the same thing? > > Ah, but until recently one of the vendors was also giving away free media. I did not know that. In what way did we differentiate them from the other vendors who were not? --Max -- Max Spevack gpg key: mspevack.asc http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ fingerprint: 5A17 CF21 From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 29 20:55:13 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:55:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603292135.34441.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603292155.13185.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:49, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Clair wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:30, Max Spevack wrote: > >> Is it really special treatment? Special treatment, in my mind, would be > >> putting a vendor to the top of the list because they offered us a > >> kickback. Special treatment implies "shady dealings". I don't see this > >> proposal as being special treatment at all. Karlie is voluteering to > >> offer a service that *none* of the other vendors are offering, and we > >> are acknowledging that. It's not like she is the *only* vendor who can > >> do this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of our vendors believed so > >> strongly in Fedora that they wanted to do the same thing? > > > > Ah, but until recently one of the vendors was also giving away free > > media. > > I did not know that. In what way did we differentiate them from the other > vendors who were not? I put 'free' under "price". Clair From nman64 at n-man.com Wed Mar 29 21:39:14 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:39:14 -0600 Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603292101.20714.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <200603291539.17087.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 14:30, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Clair wrote: > > * If we give one vendor special treatment by mentioning them on the FM > > page, they'll all want it. > > Is it really special treatment? Special treatment, in my mind, would be > putting a vendor to the top of the list because they offered us a > kickback. Special treatment implies "shady dealings". I don't see this > proposal as being special treatment at all. Karlie is voluteering to > offer a service that *none* of the other vendors are offering, and we are > acknowledging that. It's not like she is the *only* vendor who can do > this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of our vendors believed so strongly > in Fedora that they wanted to do the same thing? > > > * The idea, as good as it is, is still primarily as a 'vendor'. * It > > isn't quite FreeMedia, but it is closely related. > > FreeMedia: some entity says "i'll create and ship, at cost to myself, X > number of Fedora discs to people in the queue. I decide what X is, and > that's fine with you guys, because you'll take *anything*". > > All Karlie is doing is stating *her* manner for determining X. X == the > number of orders that she gets for Fedora. > > She is acting as a vendor and as a FreeMedia participant. > > The fact is, she can fulfill a *much* larger number of FreeMedia requests > than random people who are burning DVDs at home, because *this is what she > does*. As we agreed upon in IRC, this program doesn't quite fit Free Media and is something more than our current vendor list offers. I love the overall idea, and dealing with new circumstances is an important part of managing a project like Fedora. I feel like the new page already created is the best way to handle this new way of distributing media. We can tie the assorted media and vendor pages together, so it isn't a problem to create unique pages for each unique distribution technique. I'd love to see others step up and try this approach. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > > What it looks like here is that we've reached the point where Fedora > Marketing has incubated an idea to the point where it needs to have its > own project. It's time for Fedora to have a Media Project, that can look > at the issues here, and figure out the best way to work with Karlie. > This should encompass the FreeMedia efforts that are already going on, > formalize it, figure out the issues, and make things happen. You have my > support, and Greg's as well I'm sure. I'll pledge my support to such a project, too. I can't lead such a project, as I've already got my hands full. If someone would like to step up to lead the effort, I'd be happy to help them get started and to answer any questions. If someone feels like they have the time and motivation, I hope they'll step up. This project would be able to encompass the Free Media program and the management of the vendor lists, as well as overall maintenance of our Distribution materials. Thomas and Clair have already invested time in these endeavors, so I hope we can count on them to continue with this new project. > > Tejas Dinkar has offered to work on the code of a request tracking queue. > We need a couple of people step up and handle the logistics. Thomas Chung > seems a likely candidate, since he's heavily involved in FreeMedia as > well. Who else wants to be involved? Thomas has his hands in lots of > pieces of Fedora, and this is a good opportunity for someone to step up > and be a leader. A project-wide request tracker is a standing goal for the Fedora Infrastructure team. We can use it for tracking media requests when it is ready. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be happy to manage such a project (alongside Thomas, who can take care of the distribution of materials: the FreeMedia project, and any other distribution-related ideas that may appear). Clair From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 22:43:44 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:43:44 +0200 Subject: 30 minutes presentation Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603291443t51a40dcdxa23dce1fae4cb89@mail.gmail.com> Hai there, These days, Im kinda busy, It might happen I wont be present for tomorrow's meeting. Tomorrow, I have a 30 minutes presentation to first year undergraduate kids at my university. Just to let you know :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/LicenseESA My impress presentation is uploaded there :) The theme (For me) will be LIVE CDs, the overall topic is "opensource and you" I built a livecd, added gcc and man pages as my lecturer wished. There will be 12 copies of this livecd available which will be launched on our lab's computers. Eventually if someone wants to have a copy, will have one too. The presentations will be held in a computer lab which can accommodate about 25-30 humans. Afterwards, there might be a chance the afterwards my uni will give my access to host my livecds :) but that's only words for the moment, we'll see afterwards. for the package list, the wiki doesn't seem to like the list b'coz it threw python exception over me. Ill see afterwards to add it again. tchung you may move the wiki page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/LicenseESA to the Marketing/** to a proper place but do leave a forward at ChitleshGoorah/LicenseESA please. thanks Ive added it this little event to FedoraEvents; Cheers, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 29 23:01:38 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:01:38 +0200 Subject: LAN Welche Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> Hai there :) Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 http://www.teamfr.com/lanwelche/ Of course, a village nearby Strasbourg, France Place: Salle des loisirs de Lapoutroie (next to the church) This event is about video games on lan, CounterStrike 1.6 (5 vs 5) and Warcraft 3 (1 vs 1) Each participant needs to subscribe for a 7 ? ticket which includes. - a sandwich, a drink for one euro - unlimited coffee, just to keep the rhythme - Free Parking - and much more. This event is organised by my friends, who happen to be those to whom I've introduced Fedora :) This explains my invitation :) So about my speech :) My speech will be mostly on opensource software equivalent to propriety softs. Sure, of course more than once the word "fedora" will come out of my mouth. Afterwards those little geeks will eventually have time to ask me questions or share their doubts. Cheers, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Wed Mar 29 23:25:00 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:25:00 +0100 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603300025.00789.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Nice that you're doing this, but wouldn't this message be more suited no the ambassador's list? Clair On Thursday 30 March 2006 00:01, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hai there :) > > Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about > 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 > > http://www.teamfr.com/lanwelche/ > > Of course, a village nearby Strasbourg, France > Place: Salle des loisirs de Lapoutroie (next to the church) > > This event is about video games on lan, CounterStrike 1.6 (5 vs 5) and > Warcraft 3 (1 vs 1) > > Each participant needs to subscribe for a 7 ? ticket which includes. > - a sandwich, a drink for one euro > - unlimited coffee, just to keep the rhythme > - Free Parking > - and much more. > > This event is organised by my friends, who happen to be those to whom > I've introduced Fedora :) > This explains my invitation :) > > So about my speech :) > My speech will be mostly on opensource software equivalent to > propriety softs. Sure, of course more than once the word "fedora" will > come out of my mouth. > > Afterwards those little geeks will eventually have time to ask me > questions or share their doubts. > > Cheers, > Chitlesh GOORAH > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 00:14:00 2006 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:14:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: <200603292258.41182.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603291539.17087.nman64@n-man.com> <200603292258.41182.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <556f970a0603291614w1be985eav3285ac36c1a8f5d5@mail.gmail.com> I think it's a neat idea. Along the lines of what Magnatune does in allowing you to pay back whatever you want the artist to have over the price. At the very least, you could have the media listed here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors and explain that you were distributing some of what you could be charging in mark-up back to the community that created it. Perhaps you could just statically set the price such that for every purchased copy, another one was available to Free Media or under the SponsoredMedia project, and make a pretty simple and powerful move. You'd be able to fulfill the on demand orders as an OnlineMedia provider, and spool up the donation fund to be able to queue up, etc. I forget the pricing in your example, but IIRC you could just set that as the price, and a $12 DVD would fetch a copy for the buyer and another for free. Word would travel pretty fast in a one for one deal like that, and any other vendor is still free to pony up support the way you have, and no one is given special treatment. --jeremy On 3/29/06, Clair wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 22:39, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > This project would be able to encompass the Free Media program and the > > management of the vendor lists, as well as overall maintenance of our > > Distribution materials. Thomas and Clair have already invested time in > > these endeavors, so I hope we can count on them to continue with this > new > > project. > > I'm always happy to improve what we have at the moment, in respect to the > vendors/the vendors lists. I think a project to do this would be great. > > I'll be happy to manage such a project (alongside Thomas, who can take > care of > the distribution of materials: the FreeMedia project, and any other > distribution-related ideas that may appear). > > > Clair > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 30 00:31:28 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:31:28 -0800 Subject: Fedora Media Project (was: Re: New Member introduction) In-Reply-To: <556f970a0603291614w1be985eav3285ac36c1a8f5d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <44275211.8070305@webpath.net> <200603291539.17087.nman64@n-man.com> <200603292258.41182.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> <556f970a0603291614w1be985eav3285ac36c1a8f5d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0603291631u1743d9b1jdc163af5acda465e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/06, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > I think it's a neat idea. Along the lines of what Magnatune does in allowing > you to pay back whatever you want the artist to have over the price. > > At the very least, you could have the media listed here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors > and explain that you were distributing some of what you could be charging > in mark-up back to the community that created it. Perhaps you could just > statically set the price such that for every purchased copy, another one was > available to Free Media or under the SponsoredMedia project, and make a > pretty simple and powerful move. You'd be able to fulfill the on demand > orders as an OnlineMedia provider, and spool up the donation fund to be able > to queue up, etc. I forget the pricing in your example, but IIRC you could > just set that as the price, and a $12 DVD would fetch a copy for the buyer > and another for free. > > Word would travel pretty fast in a one for one deal like that, and any other > vendor is still free to pony up support the way you have, and no one is > given special treatment. > > --jeremy This is getting *very* interesting. :) Question. Has anyone seen a video by Prof. Nicholas P. Negroponte who is leading a OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) Project? If you haven't, here is your chance: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/313/ In the video, he explains how this program works to bring down the initial cost of $100 to $90, $80, $50, $25 and eventually $0. Do you see my point? Do you see how this new project might be end up? :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 03:17:51 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:47:51 +0530 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 01:01 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about > 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 18 yr old *students*... how does the age matter anyway? gja From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 12:54:54 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:24:54 +0530 Subject: I'm on Holiday!!! Message-ID: <1143723294.2054.4.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Hey all, I'm going to be unavailable until the 10th, as I'm going on holiday. I WILL have limited access to gmail, so if you have the sudden urge to flame me, or to generally get my attention, please send a mail to tejasdinkar AT gmail DOT com, or CC me if you are sending to the list. Thanks a Load Gja From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 11:23:45 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:23:45 +0200 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <200603300025.00789.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <200603300025.00789.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603310323p7edb7222l5de806630a1ce166@mail.gmail.com> On 3/30/06, Clair wrote: > Nice that you're doing this, but wouldn't this message be more suited no the > ambassador's list? Sometimes, i don't know what to choose and when. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 11:25:14 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:25:14 +0200 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/30/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 01:01 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about > > 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 > > 18 yr old *students*... > > how does the age matter anyway? > > gja I guess, it matters on the information being conveyed :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 12:06:10 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:06:10 +0200 Subject: 30 minutes presentation In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603291443t51a40dcdxa23dce1fae4cb89@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291443t51a40dcdxa23dce1fae4cb89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603310406w3ab121a2web3bdafb6b464458@mail.gmail.com> REPORT: My presentation was due to start at 0930 yesterday, but it happened that the last conference ended at 0950. but it also happened that one of my friend couldn't make it. His conference was on "C Language and text editors". Ive volunteered to replace him, and Ive merged his conference into mine. The overall duration was 1h45min I did my Kadischi/LiveCD presentation as expected. Some knew what a livecd is and other didn't which brought in a variety of questions. But most of the questions was related to The Fedora Project itself, might be because i used the Bob's impress template. :) Ive ended my Kadischi/Livecd presentation with giving links about different Fedora Projects with respect to the questions asked. I've allowed 5-10 minutes pause Afterwards, Ive started with the theme "C language and Text editors", it was fair easy to explain different text editor and IDEs available in Fedora Core and Fedora Extras, as least those Ive installed. Luckily I found nedit in Extras before that presentation. Being myself a fan of KDevelop, I've "nudified" KDevelop and Kwrite as far as I can, anjuta in FC5 Extras was broken, its installation went fine but It doesn't allow the creation of any blank page at all. Ill file this afterwards to bugzilla. kate, kedit , vi , gedit , emacs and nedit were also among the actors. Nervertheless, this presentation ended with fews questions but I felt many will go home to install KDevelop. :) In the end, I was requested to organise an install party this saturday, 01, April 2006. Up to now, those who are subscribed for tomorrow's install party are: 8 for Fedora Core 5 1 for Debian - Sarge 3 need assistance for Mandriva 2006 So about this install party: - will be held at my place, at 1600 to midnight - will have assistance of one of my friend (fedora user), Michael - Ill provide free FC5 DVD to each one who wants to install FC5 Since a while Im giving off free dvds to my surroundings ( hand to hand ), should I add my name to FreeMedia though I can't afford to post DVDs across neighbouring towns/cities? Cheers, Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 12:54:18 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:24:18 +0530 Subject: 30 minutes presentation In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603310406w3ab121a2web3bdafb6b464458@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291443t51a40dcdxa23dce1fae4cb89@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603310406w3ab121a2web3bdafb6b464458@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143809658.3802.774.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 14:06 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Since a while Im giving off free dvds to my surroundings ( hand to > hand ), should I add my name to FreeMedia though I can't afford to > post DVDs across neighbouring towns/cities? Thanks for the report. yes as long as you can even a single set of CD's/DVD you can sign up for the freemedia project and list. It is a volunteer program. Nothing is *required* of you. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 13:00:16 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:00:16 +0200 Subject: 30 minutes presentation In-Reply-To: <1143809658.3802.774.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291443t51a40dcdxa23dce1fae4cb89@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603310406w3ab121a2web3bdafb6b464458@mail.gmail.com> <1143809658.3802.774.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603310500n4dc00858w41a66f2902a3796f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 14:06 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > Since a while Im giving off free dvds to my surroundings ( hand to > > hand ), should I add my name to FreeMedia though I can't afford to > > post DVDs across neighbouring towns/cities? > > Thanks for the report. yes as long as you can even a single set of > CD's/DVD you can sign up for the freemedia project and list. It is a > volunteer program. Nothing is *required* of you. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > added myself :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Mar 31 13:08:56 2006 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:08:56 -0500 Subject: SharedMedia Up and running Message-ID: <442D29E8.6080305@webpath.net> Yesterday, I was able to bang out the last few details for our Fedora listing with the options of allowing someone to checkout with a disc for someone on the FreeMedia list. The listing is here http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/97 Please note the start of a FAQ at http://on-disk.com/content.php?citem=on-disk/2006/Fedora-FreeMedia.php As we go along and learn about this new program and get feedback from users, we'll be able to tweak the process. We'll also be adding CD sets with the Media Project Options so we can ship CD sets as well. -- Karlie Robinson Owner, Webpath Technologies On the Web at: http://webpath.net http://on-disk.com http://portal.on-disk.com From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 13:12:03 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:42:03 +0530 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 13:25 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 3/30/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 01:01 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about > > > 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 > > how does the age matter anyway? > I guess, it matters on the information being conveyed :) Run me a small diff -u... How would you speak differently to a group of 18 yr old (errrr) kids, then you would to older people? And now that we ARE getting into it... What do you (any ambassador that has spoken), concentrate on, when speaking about fedora? 1 Is it contributing to FOSS? 2 Why Fedora over another OS? 3 Is it how FOSS has changed the world? 4 The general Free as in Freedom speech? 5 Is it the usual ${If you code FOSS, you will get better jobs} 6 Use fedora and you can be cool, and grow your hair like Gregdek What is the underlying message of your talk? My talks are usually a mixture of 2 and 4 (And 6, of course ;) Gja From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 13:28:55 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:28:55 +0200 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 13:25 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > On 3/30/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 01:01 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > > Well, Im invited to give a speech on free software/opensource to about > > > > 60 18-years old kids on 22-23 april 2006 > > > how does the age matter anyway? > > I guess, it matters on the information being conveyed :) > > Run me a small diff -u... > > How would you speak differently to a group of 18 yr old (errrr) kids, > then you would to older people? > > And now that we ARE getting into it... What do you (any ambassador that > has spoken), concentrate on, when speaking about fedora? > > 1 Is it contributing to FOSS? > 2 Why Fedora over another OS? > 3 Is it how FOSS has changed the world? > 4 The general Free as in Freedom speech? > 5 Is it the usual ${If you code FOSS, you will get better jobs} > 6 Use fedora and you can be cool, and grow your hair like Gregdek > > What is the underlying message of your talk? > > My talks are usually a mixture of 2 and 4 (And 6, of course ;) > > Gja > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > This event is to play games on lan and on windows !! I was invited to introduced them opensource softwares Going there, to talk about their favorite games are not compatible with linux, will eventually make them lose interest in my presentation. Or even can't play mp3, avi, ... My public will be 18 years guys/gals. Surely, they will have a 'don't touch' image in their heads about open source softwares. Ill stress mostly on things that will catch their attention such : - Xgl , aiglx doesn't work on my nvidia based laptop till now - its transparency capabilities - 3ddesktop - amarok - lots of kde-apps eye candies as well, ( i havent yet chosen what to present) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Mar 31 14:07:08 2006 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:07:08 -0500 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442D378C.3010007@webpath.net> If your starting goal is to introduce them to OpenSource, you may have to break the sales process up into baby steps. Find someplace between where they are now and where you'd like them to be (Fedora). Think about getting a foot in the door and then being invited back. Every successive visit brings you closer to the desired outcome. I'd disagree when you say that they may have a 'don't touch' attitude about FOSS. After all, they're interested enough to bring you out - Yes? Your audience in this case is ripe for things that are free. Not only are they more open to the ideals of FOSS, but more importantly 18 year olds aren't known for their financial stability. My best advice for the group would be to get them with what they're looking for - GAMES. Live discs are also good - PCLinuxOS has a new DVD SuperGamer out. Wolvix has Games Edition (CD). There's also Knoppix Games (DVD). Get them hooked on FOSS and Linux... then talk with them about Fedora. It's perfectly acceptable to say you don't use those distros and answer their questions with Fedora. Is that helpful, or should I prepare for a stoning? ~Karlie Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >This event is to play games on lan and on windows !! >I was invited to introduced them opensource softwares > >Going there, to talk about their favorite games are not compatible >with linux, will eventually make them lose interest in my >presentation. >Or even can't play mp3, avi, ... > >My public will be 18 years guys/gals. >Surely, they will have a 'don't touch' image in their heads about open >source softwares. > >Ill stress mostly on things that will catch their attention such : >- Xgl , aiglx doesn't work on my nvidia based laptop till now >- its transparency capabilities >- 3ddesktop >- amarok >- lots of kde-apps eye candies as well, >( i havent yet chosen what to present) > >-- >http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > >-- >Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- Karlie Robinson Owner, Webpath Technologies On the Web at: http://webpath.net http://on-disk.com http://portal.on-disk.com From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 14:17:28 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:47:28 +0530 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143814648.2074.3.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 15:28 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > This event is to play games on lan and on windows !! > I was invited to introduced them opensource softwares > > Going there, to talk about their favorite games are not compatible > with linux, will eventually make them lose interest in my > presentation. Actually, I believe both Doom (III) and Quake 3 are open source, but their maps are closed source. So, if you have the CD, with the maps on it, you can legally play it on linux... UT had a port on linux. Gja From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 14:17:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:47:49 +0530 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <1143814648.2074.3.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> <1143814648.2074.3.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <1143814669.3802.777.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 19:47 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 15:28 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > This event is to play games on lan and on windows !! > > I was invited to introduced them opensource softwares > > > > Going there, to talk about their favorite games are not compatible > > with linux, will eventually make them lose interest in my > > presentation. > > Actually, I believe both Doom (III) and Quake 3 are open source, but > their maps are closed source. > > So, if you have the CD, with the maps on it, you can legally play it on > linux... Might want to take a closer look at Fedora Extras. The doom engine as well as a package of Free GPL'ed maps are included in it. http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/ Legal is not the only criteria for inclusion in Fedora though. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines Rahul From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Mar 31 14:18:20 2006 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:18:20 -0500 Subject: LAN Welche - After Thought In-Reply-To: <442D378C.3010007@webpath.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <1143688671.2060.0.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310325q2ceb6a43offc3ed381abddd1c@mail.gmail.com> <1143810723.2134.7.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> <442D378C.3010007@webpath.net> Message-ID: <442D3A2C.8030705@webpath.net> One other baby step from Win to FOSS is TheOpenCD. It has a lot of useful applications like OOo, and a few games. It gets people use to the applications before they take the plunge with their OS. A word of caution if you use TheOpenCD... There is a live Ubuntu on the disc. I wonder how many freak outs that's caused? Can you imagine forgetting to remove the disc and seeing the Live Disc booting up? Especially if you don't know it's live. ~K From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Mar 31 14:35:44 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:35:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <1143814648.2074.3.camel@linuxtop.gja.in> Message-ID: <20060331143544.52926.qmail@web34103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Actually, I believe both Doom (III) and Quake 3 are open source, > but their maps are closed source. I am running both (32-bit versions) on Fedora Core 3 x86-64. > So, if you have the CD, with the maps on it, you can legally play > it on linux... UT had a port on linux. I am running the full x86-64 version of UT2K4 on Fedora Core 3 x86-64. It kicks Windows' ass in performance on nVidia cards. The x86-64 version of UT2K4 for Windows XP x64 is actually _slower_ than the 32-bit version, because of how WoW works in XP x64 (i.e., nearly all of XP x64 is still Win32). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- I'm a Democrat. No wait, I'm a Republican. Hmm, it seems I'm just whatever someone disagrees with. From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 31 15:57:56 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:57:56 +0200 Subject: My introduction Message-ID: <1143820677.2853.5.camel@fedora> Hi, I am Pawel Sadowski and I am from Poland. Actually I am 18. I am Fedora Ambassador in Poland, I just love this operating system ;) I want to promote Fedora and try to convince everybody to use Open Source Software. That's my main goal :) Regards, Pawel Sadowski From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 31 18:02:56 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:02:56 +0100 Subject: SharedMedia Up and running In-Reply-To: <442D29E8.6080305@webpath.net> References: <442D29E8.6080305@webpath.net> Message-ID: <200603311902.56601.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 31 March 2006 14:08, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Yesterday, I was able to bang out the last few details for our Fedora > listing with the options of allowing someone to checkout with a disc for > someone on the FreeMedia list. > > The listing is here http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/97 > Please note the start of a FAQ at > http://on-disk.com/content.php?citem=on-disk/2006/Fedora-FreeMedia.php > > As we go along and learn about this new program and get feedback from > users, we'll be able to tweak the process. > > We'll also be adding CD sets with the Media Project Options so we can > ship CD sets as well. I really like this - good job, Karlie! Clair From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info Fri Mar 31 18:05:07 2006 From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:05:07 +0100 Subject: LAN Welche In-Reply-To: <442D378C.3010007@webpath.net> References: <13dbfe4f0603291501p298dca99nc259585e8bcdc9a5@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0603310528v4747ccbapc9d733dd49fb5a36@mail.gmail.com> <442D378C.3010007@webpath.net> Message-ID: <200603311905.07114.fedora@freehold.no-ip.info> On Friday 31 March 2006 15:07, Karlie Robinson wrote: > If your starting goal is to introduce them to OpenSource, you may have > to break the sales process up into baby steps. Find someplace between > where they are now and where you'd like them to be (Fedora). > > Get them hooked on FOSS and Linux... then talk with them about Fedora. > It's perfectly acceptable to say you don't use those distros and answer > their questions with Fedora. Well, our goal might be to "Get people using Fedora", but getting people to use any Linux distro is still just as good, so I agree somewhat here. Clair