From samfw at redhat.com Mon Oct 2 16:41:16 2006 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question Message-ID: <1159807276.24595.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where it is explained in further detail? I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 2 16:49:55 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:19:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question In-Reply-To: <1159807276.24595.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1159807276.24595.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45214333.6080409@fedoraproject.org> Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > Hi, > > I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many > questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. > > A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when > it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, > negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. > > I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing > happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed > seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that > explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where > it is explained in further detail? We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red Hat Linux releases. That didnt have much of a benefit though for whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different players and the user experience on some was worse than the others. > I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the > confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the "distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this. Rahul From siddharth1105 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 17:15:29 2006 From: siddharth1105 at yahoo.com (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question In-Reply-To: <1159807276.24595.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061002171529.88014.qmail@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Idea... What the Developers and marketing people think about it? SiddharthUpmanyu ----- Original Message ---- From: Sam Folk-Williams To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question Hi, I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where it is explained in further detail? I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 2 14:52:49 2006 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:52:49 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question In-Reply-To: <20061002171529.88014.qmail@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061002171529.88014.qmail@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452127C1.5070007@fedoraproject.org> I think it's a step in the right direction. One thing Linux in General needs to stay away from is feeling unfriendly and that someone should just know what's going on. It wouldn't have to be more than a quick simple statement about Why MP3 support isn't native as long as the link you're sending people to gives enough information on the ways they could still use their MP3 collection. After all, we don't want to loose someone just because they didn't know they could convert their MP3s to OGG. Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > Good Idea... > What the Developers and marketing people think about it? > > SiddharthUpmanyu > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sam Folk-Williams > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM > Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question > > Why not have a pop up that > explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where > it is explained in further detail? From kwade at redhat.com Mon Oct 2 22:10:00 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:10:00 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1159827000.19689.278.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:12 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Max, > > Max Spevack wrote: > > So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > > the wiki. > > > > But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good. > > So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past, > and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from > it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations? Two things here: i. We need to update our Moin Moin instance; we'll get some new layout features (and problems) when that happens. Fedora Infrastructure is accountable here, and they are working on it (big up to mmcgrath). ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more control over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get it done sooner: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo So, where Max pointed out two target points (by-next-weekend, 2 months), there are really three points (by-next-weekend, 2 weeks, 2 months). And, IMHO, 2 months should really be 1 month. Or even sooner. But I don't have volunteers to loan or purse strings to untie. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5 to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our existing process. Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production stuff running on the server. I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not sure how to get it moving. Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Oct 2 23:24:16 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:24:16 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> <1159827000.19689.278.camel@erato.phig.org> <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1159831456.4397.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> (CCing fedora-infrastructure-list) Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > > ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more > > control > > over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is > > resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get > > it > > done sooner: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo > > This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5 > to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of > Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our > existing process. > > Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production > stuff running on the server. Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) > I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not > sure how to get it moving. I'm offering to volunteer to the infrastructure project too (plone, foo) and participate in IRC meetings & discussions. -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From linux at elfshadow.net Tue Oct 3 02:55:54 2006 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:55:54 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary Message-ID: <4521D13A.9030202@elfshadow.net> The Ohio Linux Fest held this past Saturday, September 30th was a great success! The booth came together very nicely - we had Fedora T-Shirts, Stickers, Core 5 DVDs and informational handouts available at the booth. There were three of us primarily working the booth - Joe Connelly and Brian Pepple. Tom "Spot" Callaway was also there, originally to hang out with us at the Fedora booth, but ended up working the Red Hat booth right next to us - though he was still a great help to us. The announced crowd was just over 1200 people, between presentations the aisles were quite packed. Our booth saw lots of foot traffic with people ranging from new to Linux to having used it since Red Hat 6.x or earlier and wondering what Fedora was up to. Nearly all comments were favorable to Fedora, many people were running Fedora in some fashion - either on their own PCs or on servers for businesses they worked for. There were a few recurring questions through the day, some of which where: * Yum is slow was one of the complaints we kept hearing. It was a pleasure to let people know that there was an updated yum in Core 6 that was aimed at taking on any speed issues. * I had several questions regarding the Fedora Directory Server - mainly in regards to features it offered. There certainly seems to be interest in this. * We heard what I thought to be a number of comments alluding to an animosity between the Fedora Project and Red Hat. I am not quite sure why that thought is out there. * There were several questions about who we worked for, etc. It was nice to reply with we were just members of the Fedora Project community helping out. I think it really helped reinforce that there is a lot of room for community involvement in the project. * And of course there were lots of when is Core 6 coming out and what new features will be in it. Later in the afternoon we also had a "Birds of a Feather" session. Tom Callaway was there and was an excellent and knowledgeable speaker and it was great to have him there. Some of the items brought up were Fedora and multimedia (mp3's, DVD playback, etc), Xen and virtualization and new features and improvements in Core 6. All in all it was a great show. Lots of fun for everyone involved I think. I was very happy with how the booth turned out and I think Fedora was very well represented there. I want to thank all the people that helped get me the materials and information I needed for this event - including Max and David Barzilay. And last but not least, here are some of the pictures from the show (I may be adding more as I receive them from the others): http://www.elfshadow.net/ohiolinuxfest2006/ --Jeffrey From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 3 06:32:44 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:32:44 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question In-Reply-To: <45214333.6080409@fedoraproject.org> References: <1159807276.24595.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45214333.6080409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4522040C.7070508@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red > Hat Linux releases. That didnt have much of a benefit though for > whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different > players and the user experience on some was worse than the others. > >> I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the >> confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? > > Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and > Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop > environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the > "distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we > implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should > probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or > things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this. I proposed the same thing back in March but the idea was shot down for both technical and political reasons, even if the landscape was the same: gstreamer, rhythmbox, totem and fluendo plugin. Nice to see it raised again. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From samfw at redhat.com Tue Oct 3 11:48:43 2006 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:48:43 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159831456.4397.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> <1159827000.19689.278.camel@erato.phig.org> <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1159831456.4397.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1159876123.10029.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an easy task in terms of $$, etc. Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services From rahul.raheja at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 12:23:52 2006 From: rahul.raheja at gmail.com (Rahul Raheja) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:53:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159876123.10029.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> <1159827000.19689.278.camel@erato.phig.org> <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1159831456.4397.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1159876123.10029.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: hi.. I agree with SAM .. is it feasible in terms of investment .. ?? On 10/3/06, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) > > Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an > easy task in terms of $$, etc. > > Sam > -- > Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE > Global Support Services > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 3 18:14:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> <1159827000.19689.278.camel@erato.phig.org> <1159829670.10029.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4522A892.4060901@fedoraproject.org> Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: >> ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more >> control >> over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is >> resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get >> it >> done sooner: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo > > This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5 > to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of > Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our > existing process. > > Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production > stuff running on the server. > > I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not > sure how to get it moving. You wouldnt have to update the server installation of Python. Python.org used to offer newer versions of Python RPM's that parallel install with the system version into something like /usr/bin/python24. If a new server is what is required to get this moving, let us know and we will deal with that. Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 3 22:40:46 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] OO.org template and clipart contest Message-ID: <1159915246.4193.127.camel@erato.phig.org> FYI for those inclined: http://documentation.openoffice.org/ -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at projetofedora.org Wed Oct 4 00:15:18 2006 From: david at projetofedora.org (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:15:18 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Huge kudos to you, Joe Connelly and Brian Pepple!!! Awesome pics, BTW ;)) Great work, -- db > The Ohio Linux Fest held this past Saturday, September 30th was a great > success! The booth came together very nicely - we had Fedora T-Shirts, > Stickers, Core 5 DVDs and informational handouts available at the booth. > There were three of us primarily working the booth - Joe Connelly and > Brian Pepple. Tom "Spot" Callaway was also there, originally to hang > out with us at the Fedora booth, but ended up working the Red Hat booth > right next to us - though he was still a great help to us. > > The announced crowd was just over 1200 people, between presentations the > aisles were quite packed. Our booth saw lots of foot traffic with > people ranging from new to Linux to having used it since Red Hat 6.x or > earlier and wondering what Fedora was up to. > > Nearly all comments were favorable to Fedora, many people were running > Fedora in some fashion - either on their own PCs or on servers for > businesses they worked for. There were a few recurring questions > through the day, some of which where: > > * Yum is slow was one of the complaints we kept hearing. It was a > pleasure to let people know that there was an updated yum in Core 6 that > was aimed at taking on any speed issues. > > * I had several questions regarding the Fedora Directory Server - mainly > in regards to features it offered. There certainly seems to be interest > in this. > > * We heard what I thought to be a number of comments alluding to an > animosity between the Fedora Project and Red Hat. I am not quite sure > why that thought is out there. > > * There were several questions about who we worked for, etc. It was > nice to reply with we were just members of the Fedora Project community > helping out. I think it really helped reinforce that there is a lot of > room for community involvement in the project. > > * And of course there were lots of when is Core 6 coming out and what > new features will be in it. > > Later in the afternoon we also had a "Birds of a Feather" session. Tom > Callaway was there and was an excellent and knowledgeable speaker and it > was great to have him there. Some of the items brought up were Fedora > and multimedia (mp3's, DVD playback, etc), Xen and virtualization and > new features and improvements in Core 6. > > All in all it was a great show. Lots of fun for everyone involved I > think. I was very happy with how the booth turned out and I think > Fedora was very well represented there. I want to thank all the people > that helped get me the materials and information I needed for this event > - including Max and David Barzilay. > > And last but not least, here are some of the pictures from the show (I > may be adding more as I receive them from the others): > > http://www.elfshadow.net/ohiolinuxfest2006/ > > --Jeffrey > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- David Barzilay Embaixador Global do Fedora Embaixador Remoto para o Brasil From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Oct 5 05:27:59 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:27:59 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Brazilian Fedora Project - Numbers!!! Message-ID: <452497DF.70904@projetofedora.org> More numbers about Brazilian Fedora Project!! === Brazilian Ambassadors in Activity === === Founders === *Brazil - DF - DavidBarzilay *Brazil - RJ - RodrigoPadula *Brazil - PR - RodrigoMenezes === Ambassadors === Brazil - BA - CristianoFurtado Brazil - BA - OthonBatista Brazil - MG - IgorSoares Brazil - PB - GutembergMedeiros Brazil - RS - RogerioPereira Brazil - SC - DiegoZacarao Brazil - SP - HugoCisneiros === Produced materials === 10.000 Flyers 600 DVDs - Fedora Core 4 - i386 1.250 DVDs - Fedora Core 5 - i386, PPC and 64Bits 1.250 DVD's Envelopes 60 T-shirts - Fedora Project (BLack and White) 2 Banners (90 cm X 120 cm) === Big Events in Brazil === - FISL 2006 > Porto Alegre - Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil Lectures, User Group, Free Meidia - ENSOL 2006 > Jo?o Pessoa - Para?ba - Brazil Lectures, User Group, Free Meidia, Install Fest - III Festival de Software Livre da Bahia 2006 > Salvador - Bahia -Brazil Lectures, User Group, Free Meidia - FLISOL 2006 > Brasilia - DF - Brazil Lectures, Free Meidia Total(4) === Brazilian Universities === UNIFACS, AREA1, JORGE AMADO, FIB, UNIME, FTC, UNEB, UFBA, UFRJ, UFJF, GRANBERY, UERJ, UFF, UNIRIO, USP, UFRGS , PUC-RIO, PUC-RS, UNIPAC, CES Total(20) === Brazilian Free Media Project === 1250 Distributed Dvds - All Brazilian States ( 26 + DC) i386, PPC and 64Bits Acre (AC) Alagoas (AL) Amap? (AP) Amazonas (AM) Bahia (BA) Bras?lia (DF) Cear? (CE) Esp?rito Santo (ES) Goi?s (GO) Mato Grosso (MT) Mato Grosso do Sul (MS) Maranh?o (MA) Minas Gerais (MG) Par? (PA) Paran? (PR) Para?ba (PB) Pernambuco (PE) Piau? (PI) Rio de Janeiro (RJ) Rio Grande do Norte (RN) Rio Grande do Sul (RS) Rond?nia (RO) Roraima (RR) Santa Catarina (SC) S?o Paulo (SP) Sergipe (SE) Tocantins (TO) === Brazilian Fedora Project - Sites == www.projetofedora.org (Docs,Projects)= 600 users www.fedora.org.br (Fedora Forum) = 4150 users === Discussion Lists === #fedora-users-br = 270 Users === Orkut Community === Fedora Core Brasil :: 2100 users Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://www.projetofedora.org From hugo at devin.com.br Thu Oct 5 11:16:34 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:16:34 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Brazilian Fedora Project - Numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <452497DF.70904@projetofedora.org> References: <452497DF.70904@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <200610050816.34963.hugo@devin.com.br> Massa! Gostei dessas estatisticas, aproveito pra tentar corrigir uns erros: On Thursday 05 October 2006 02:27, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > More numbers about Brazilian Fedora Project!! > > > === Brazilian Ambassadors in Activity === > > === Founders === > > *Brazil - DF - DavidBarzilay O David n?o ? SP? :) > === Big Events in Brazil === > > - FISL 2006 > Porto Alegre - Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil > Lectures, User Group, Free Meidia Meidia? N? Media? :P Nos outros eventos tamb?m > === Discussion Lists === fedora-users-br mailing list fedora-trans-pt_BR mailing list #fedora-br on freenode (irc) -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From hugo at devin.com.br Thu Oct 5 11:56:14 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:56:14 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Brazilian Fedora Project - Numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <200610050816.34963.hugo@devin.com.br> References: <452497DF.70904@projetofedora.org> <200610050816.34963.hugo@devin.com.br> Message-ID: <200610050856.14290.hugo@devin.com.br> Ok guys, sorry for the misurestanding, I sent this portuguese message by mistake, it should be directed to the fedora-mktg-brazil. Apologies. -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 6 15:13:20 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:43:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> Hi A comparative review on Fedora Core 6. http://djst.org/blog/2006/10/03/fedora-core-6-vs-ubuntu-610/ I have added detailed responses as comments on this and a previous blog item on Fedora since I couldnt find a email address to drop in a mail to the author. Rahul From dimitris at michelinakis.gr Fri Oct 6 16:07:13 2006 From: dimitris at michelinakis.gr (Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:07:13 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review In-Reply-To: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> References: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20061006190713.1a098c1b@ekolaptis.> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:43:20 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > A comparative review on Fedora Core 6. He is right indeed. - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons - firefox 2.0 beta is great and stable to use for most things, definetly an advantage to include in Fedora than the old version - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. - yum had problems on my system as well, weird messages about cache not beign writable when it updated fontconfig and other stuff like that. Its also dead slow... - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). - my media keys on my IBM ThinkPad wouldn't work either. I had to set them up manualy. - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. ... too late for FC6... lets hope things improve in FC7... -- Dimitrios Michelinakis From riel at redhat.com Fri Oct 6 18:03:39 2006 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:03:39 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45269A7B.3040403@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about >> getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from >> the appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our >> current system? > > So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and > that's a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but > that's a different conversation. The navigation bar is only about 30 minutes of work, too :) -- All Rights Reversed From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Oct 7 00:13:33 2006 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:13:33 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review In-Reply-To: <20061006190713.1a098c1b@ekolaptis.> References: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> <20061006190713.1a098c1b@ekolaptis.> Message-ID: <1160180013.14809.18.camel@StrikeForce> On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 19:07 +0300, Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:43:20 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > A comparative review on Fedora Core 6. > > He is right indeed. > > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons Possibly although thats a conceptual thing. I actually like fedora's icons and layout. > > - firefox 2.0 beta is great and stable to use for most things, definetly an advantage to include in Fedora than the old version Firefox 2 is still in beta there is a significant issue with FF at the moment. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/30/173234&from=rss Firefox by the sounds of it will get renamed. For a 'full' transcript have a read of the debian bugzilla I think it is. The page is huge and basically states what FF's standpoint is on using firefox. > > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Use bootchart to measure it if you can then you can see whats getting booted up on both. Also Ubuntu is trying http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271532&highlight=upstart Upstart instead of init now they seem to be heading to the direction of running it fully. It will be interesting to see how it performs hopefully it improves the boot process even more. Other factors I'm not sure why but fedora seems less responsive compared to ubuntu. I'm not sure where to lay the blame. My comparative figures come from playing games using cedega. Thats not to say fedora is bad I had worse results with vanilla debian. Yet on boot up and responsiveness on the desktop it was great. Could it be kernel? I know ubuntu separates there server kernel's and the desktop kernels? Is this an option? > > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. Not sure which part you mean tbh > > - yum had problems on my system as well, weird messages about cache not beign writable when it updated fontconfig and other stuff like that. Its also dead slow... No issues for me on this the only problem I've had with yum is generally I find 6-10 mirrors that have incorrect signatures. > > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). Is this in fedora core 5? or core 6? core 5 I got to work. I couldn't get novel's to work :( However, there is no support for either just yet I don't think or if there is its package level since it is alpha/beta software at the moment. > > - my media keys on my IBM ThinkPad wouldn't work either. I had to set them up manualy. I remember there is a package that gets all the media keys working straight away. The package name escapes me. It is in fedora core 5 cause I use them :) > > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. > Unfortunately I have to agree with you on this one. It seems to have been forgotten. When you log in there is nice music or at least there is on mine. Seeing the new upcomming ubuntu I would say thats snazzy. > ... > > too late for FC6... lets hope things improve in FC7... > I hope its not to late :( > 'He said that fedora feels like a corporate desktop' I actually agree with him it feels to me that its sturdy, strong, stable but not sexy. Not in the looks of it because I actually prefer fc's look :) Just home user use. I suppose as a shocking analogy Windows XP Home and Corporate comparison or XP and 2003 (I think thats the version) I don't know much on windows :) My 0.02 Marc Wiriadisastra From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 7 01:41:47 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:11:47 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review In-Reply-To: <20061006190713.1a098c1b@ekolaptis.> References: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> <20061006190713.1a098c1b@ekolaptis.> Message-ID: <452705DB.4050101@fedoraproject.org> Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:43:20 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> A comparative review on Fedora Core 6. > > He is right indeed. I answered several of these as comments in the review but here we go again. > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The icon theme set is one of most complete cross desktop sets that you can ever find. We do indeed plan to replace it however and work has already started a while back. It wasnt complete enough to be a default icon set for FC6 but the next release should have this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment If you are interested, feel free to package this for Fedora Extras now. > > - firefox 2.0 beta is great and stable to use for most things, definetly an advantage to include in Fedora than the old version Firefox 2.0 beta has serious regressions in it and is not very well tested within Fedora since the beta release came out late in the development process of FC6 - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! The development release has many debugging options and services enabled as compared to the general releases. If you arent using the development release then you wouldnt able to judge the performance of FC6. > > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. The quiet option is intentionally ignored during development and test releases to enable easier debugging. The other bootsplash methods would require kernel patches which we avoid in Fedora. > - yum had problems on my system as well, weird messages about cache not beign writable when it updated fontconfig and other stuff like that. Its also dead slow... We had some issues with the new mirror management systems which is not a flaw in Yum. Those issues are fairly sorted out now. Recent development in Yum has results in significant increase in performance. Refer to http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/7734.html for more information. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). Compiz on AIGLX is capable of having the exact same effects as on XGL. Some of the Compiz extensions are not in Fedora Core but could be easily packaged in Fedora Extras. If you find bugs in the test releases, kindly report them http://bugzilla.redhat.com > > - my media keys on my IBM ThinkPad wouldn't work either. I had to set them up manualy. Bugzilla again. > > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. There is no Fedora sound theme. We provide the upstream GNOME ones disabled by default. GDM beeps seem to be bugs. Report them. Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Oct 7 03:59:43 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:59:43 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The new replacement is incomplete. Bluecurve has a tremendous amount of icons to be replaced. We (Artwork team) intended to work on as the new FC6 theme is complete. If you are an artist, you are welcome to contribute. We would like to further improve the whole look in future releases. > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Windows XP design is tightly integrated with the kernel giving the performance boost. However, the services are intentionaly disabled on boot and will started after login as user. I personaly don't care about booting performance. > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. I (as Finalzone on that blog) pointed out these text are used for debugging. As Rahul stated, quiet mode is intentionaly disabled for that purpose. The mistake the author did is to compare the performance of a test release with a final version. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). The author didn't specify what driver he used to do the effect. His laptop uses Nvidia videocard which means the effect won't work with open source driver version because of its lack of 3D hardware acceleration. He has corrected since then. > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. We need audio effect artist which were not available since the existance of Fedora Project. Feel free to make sound theme for Fedora Core so you will be more musicians for the project in a long term. Contributing is better than whining. .. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Oct 7 03:59:55 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:59:55 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The new replacement is incomplete. Bluecurve has a tremendous amount of icons to be replaced. We (Artwork team) intended to work on as the new FC6 theme is complete. If you are an artist, you are welcome to contribute. We would like to further improve the whole look in future releases. > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Windows XP design is tightly integrated with the kernel giving the performance boost. However, the services are intentionaly disabled on boot and will started after login as user. I personaly don't care about booting performance. > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. I (as Finalzone on that blog) pointed out these text are used for debugging. As Rahul stated, quiet mode is intentionaly disabled for that purpose. The mistake the author did is to compare the performance of a test release with a final version. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). The author didn't specify what driver he used to do the effect. His laptop uses Nvidia videocard which means the effect won't work with open source driver version because of its lack of 3D hardware acceleration. He has corrected since then. > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. We need audio effect artist which were not available since the existance of Fedora Project. Feel free to make sound theme for Fedora Core so you will be more musicians for the project in a long term. Contributing is better than whining. .. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Oct 7 04:00:19 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:00:19 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The new replacement is incomplete. Bluecurve has a tremendous amount of icons to be replaced. We (Artwork team) intended to work on as the new FC6 theme is complete. If you are an artist, you are welcome to contribute. We would like to further improve the whole look in future releases. > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Windows XP design is tightly integrated with the kernel giving the performance boost. However, the services are intentionaly disabled on boot and will started after login as user. I personaly don't care about booting performance. > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. I (as Finalzone on that blog) pointed out these text are used for debugging. As Rahul stated, quiet mode is intentionaly disabled for that purpose. The mistake the author did is to compare the performance of a test release with a final version. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). The author didn't specify what driver he used to do the effect. His laptop uses Nvidia videocard which means the effect won't work with open source driver version because of its lack of 3D hardware acceleration. He has corrected since then. > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. We need audio effect artist which were not available since the existance of Fedora Project. Feel free to make sound theme for Fedora Core so you will be more musicians for the project in a long term. Contributing is better than whining. .. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Oct 7 04:01:17 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:01:17 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The new replacement is incomplete. Bluecurve has a tremendous amount of icons to be replaced. We (Artwork team) intended to work on as the new FC6 theme is complete. If you are an artist, you are welcome to contribute. We would like to further improve the whole look in future releases. > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Windows XP design is tightly integrated with the kernel giving the performance boost. However, the services are intentionaly disabled on boot and will started after login as user. I personaly don't care about booting performance. > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. I (as Finalzone on that blog) pointed out these text are used for debugging. As Rahul stated, quiet mode is intentionaly disabled for that purpose. The mistake the author did is to compare the performance of a test release with a final version. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). The author didn't specify what driver he used to do the effect. His laptop uses Nvidia videocard which means the effect won't work with open source driver version because of its lack of 3D hardware acceleration. He has corrected since then. > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. We need audio effect artist which were not available since the existance of Fedora Project. Feel free to make sound theme for Fedora Core so you will be more musicians for the project in a long term. Contributing is better than whining. .. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Oct 7 04:01:36 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:01:36 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review Message-ID: > - the icon theme is indeed outdated, VERY outdated and missing many icons The new replacement is incomplete. Bluecurve has a tremendous amount of icons to be replaced. We (Artwork team) intended to work on as the new FC6 theme is complete. If you are an artist, you are welcome to contribute. We would like to further improve the whole look in future releases. > - fedora is the slowest Linux distro i've ever used! He is right to bash on fedora like that, my Intel P4 1Ghz machine with Windoze XP Pro boots in 7 seconds flat! while my Athon64 X2 3800 Dual Core boots Fedora Core 5 in a few minutes!!! jesus! Windows XP design is tightly integrated with the kernel giving the performance boost. However, the services are intentionaly disabled on boot and will started after login as user. I personaly don't care about booting performance. > - the initial boot text is indeed ugly and geeky. We either have a full graphical boot, from start to end or we don't have one. Right now we are half and half, which looks very unfinished and ugly. I (as Finalzone on that blog) pointed out these text are used for debugging. As Rahul stated, quiet mode is intentionaly disabled for that purpose. The mistake the author did is to compare the performance of a test release with a final version. > - Compiz was a fiasco as well. We've seen the videos from the Novel presentation and what we have in fedora is just two effects (out of 20?). Ofcourse it didn't work at first (like it happened with the author of the review) and even after i got it working i found too many bugs to actualy keep it running (ctrl-fX keys wouldn't work, couldn't change virtual desktops with ctrl-left arrow, etc). The author didn't specify what driver he used to do the effect. His laptop uses Nvidia videocard which means the effect won't work with open source driver version because of its lack of 3D hardware acceleration. He has corrected since then. > - The fedora sound theme is indeed a joke... thank god its disabled by default. The GDM beep is... well lets just say its better to be deaf than hearing the PC speaker beep every time GDM loads. We need audio effect artist which were not available since the existance of Fedora Project. Feel free to make sound theme for Fedora Core so you will be more musicians for the project in a long term. Contributing is better than whining. .. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 8 00:02:07 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 05:32:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] [Fwd: Positive Fedora Vibes] Message-ID: <45283FFF.1090608@fedoraproject.org> Hi A user note Rahul -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Andy Green Subject: Positive Fedora Vibes Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:26:19 +0100 Size: 5438 URL: From heiko.adams at gmx.de Sun Oct 8 10:50:04 2006 From: heiko.adams at gmx.de (Heiko Adams) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:50:04 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] XFCE as third official desktop? Message-ID: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, some of my friends and colleges are currently using xubuntu but they want to move to fedora and so they asked me why Fedora only provides GNOME and KDE but not XFCE as desktops during the installation. I told them that XFCE can be installed from fedora-extras repository after installation. So now they've moved to Fedora but they are a little bit unhappy because they had to install GNOME/KDE -> install XFCE from fedora-extras -> remove GNOME/KDE to get a XFCE Fedora and in their eyes that's circuitous. So they asked for asking if there would be a chance to move XFCE to Fedora Core in Fedora Core 7 or later. Regards, Heiko -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFKNffFs/JPNR65YARAqTmAJ928VebqtyBQnxI6CvkVxEotlyGYQCg5+13 5tu8sXpO4XYpHVj3c9lHwEc= =xBE/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedoradesktop at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 12:06:09 2006 From: fedoradesktop at gmail.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOE05YksnOS0bKEI=?=) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:06:09 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] XFCE as third official desktop? In-Reply-To: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9b6d8af40610080506h6b740dd7i5a126e42caaed543@mail.gmail.com> FC6 supports downloading package from Extras, so I think from FC6, they can directly install XFCE in FC6. I haven't tested download support yet, but you can test it yourself using rescue disk from development tree. 2006/10/8, Heiko Adams : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > some of my friends and colleges are currently using xubuntu but they > want to move to fedora and so they asked me why Fedora only > provides GNOME and KDE but not XFCE as desktops during the installation. > I told them that XFCE can be installed from fedora-extras repository > after installation. > So now they've moved to Fedora but they are a little bit unhappy > because they had to install GNOME/KDE -> install XFCE from > fedora-extras -> remove GNOME/KDE to get a XFCE Fedora and in their > eyes that's circuitous. > So they asked for asking if there would be a chance to move XFCE to > Fedora Core in Fedora Core 7 or later. > > Regards, > > Heiko > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFKNffFs/JPNR65YARAqTmAJ928VebqtyBQnxI6CvkVxEotlyGYQCg5+13 > 5tu8sXpO4XYpHVj3c9lHwEc= > =xBE/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 8 14:34:33 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:04:33 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] XFCE as third official desktop? In-Reply-To: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45290C79.9050700@fedoraproject.org> Heiko Adams wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > some of my friends and colleges are currently using xubuntu but they > want to move to fedora and so they asked me why Fedora only > provides GNOME and KDE but not XFCE as desktops during the installation. > I told them that XFCE can be installed from fedora-extras repository > after installation. > So now they've moved to Fedora but they are a little bit unhappy > because they had to install GNOME/KDE -> install XFCE from > fedora-extras -> remove GNOME/KDE to get a XFCE Fedora and in their > eyes that's circuitous. > So they asked for asking if there would be a chance to move XFCE to > Fedora Core in Fedora Core 7 or later. GNOME and KDE are not anymore official in Fedora than XFCE is. Fedora Core 6 installer includes the ability to install applications from Fedora Extras repository. So the end users would be able to do a network based installation and select XFCE as default. This has been made relatively easy. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore6/005_Install_Add_Repository We are also discussing some changes in the release strategy including availability of extras packages in media. So essentially eliminating any practical differences between these repositories at the end user level potentially as close as the next release. I guess that should satisfy your friends and fans of other alternative window managers included in Fedora Extras. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 8 14:41:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:11:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] XFCE as third official desktop? In-Reply-To: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45290E01.3020000@fedoraproject.org> Heiko Adams wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > some of my friends and colleges are currently using xubuntu but they > want to move to fedora and so they asked me why Fedora only > provides GNOME and KDE but not XFCE as desktops during the installation. > I told them that XFCE can be installed from fedora-extras repository > after installation. > So now they've moved to Fedora but they are a little bit unhappy > because they had to install GNOME/KDE -> install XFCE from > fedora-extras -> remove GNOME/KDE to get a XFCE Fedora and in their > eyes that's circuitous. > So they asked for asking if there would be a chance to move XFCE to > Fedora Core in Fedora Core 7 or later. GNOME and KDE are not anymore official in Fedora than XFCE is. Fedora Core 6 installer includes the ability to install applications from Fedora Extras repository. So the end users would be able to do a network based installation and select XFCE as default. This has been made relatively easy. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore6/005_Install_Add_Repository We are also discussing some changes in the release strategy including availability of extras packages in media. So essentially eliminating any practical differences between these repositories at the end user level potentially as close as the next release. I guess that should satisfy your friends and fans of other alternative window managers included in Fedora Extras. Rahul From heiko.adams at gmx.de Sun Oct 8 15:24:33 2006 From: heiko.adams at gmx.de (Heiko Adams) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:24:33 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] XFCE as third official desktop? In-Reply-To: <45290E01.3020000@fedoraproject.org> References: <20061008125004.20524ff9@localhost.localdomain> <45290E01.3020000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20061008172433.60ae60b5@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:11:05 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram : > GNOME and KDE are not anymore official in Fedora than XFCE is. Fedora > Core 6 installer includes the ability to install applications from > Fedora Extras repository. So the end users would be able to do a > network based installation and select XFCE as default. This has been > made relatively easy. > Okay, but "normal" users could get the impress that GNOME and KDE are more "official" than XFCE. But anyway thanks for the correction. So as I wrote before my friends have already moved to fedora but they were a little bit surprised that XFCE wasn't available at Fedora Core 5 installer. So at the moment they've got a fedora core 5 system with XFCE and (a never used) GNOME. They selected GNOME because it's more like XFCE then KDE and it's never wrong to have a fallback option ;-) > We are also discussing some changes in the release strategy including > availability of extras packages in media. So essentially eliminating > any practical differences between these repositories at the end user > level potentially as close as the next release. I guess that should > satisfy your friends and fans of other alternative window managers > included in Fedora Extras. > I think that many people would be happy about that. Regards Heiko -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFKRg3Fs/JPNR65YARAqT8AJ9XxDE259ginERNLHz9gVe4evzQHACfR//S r/kNOfqFfdi2gIIStKSBlXI= =cUwz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Sun Oct 8 19:33:23 2006 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armel Kermorvant) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:33:23 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] T-Shirt and Ambassadors Logo Message-ID: <1160336003.10180.12.camel@shuttle.akserver.dyndns.org> Good morning, actualy the French Fedora Team prepare an Install Party in 2 cities (Paris and Lille - October 28th) and we like all Ambassadors have a nice T-Shirt with a Ambassador logo and Fedora logo. Do you have a graphical charter, a picture with the booth logo or do you have the same request by another Ambassador group in the world ? Thanks for your help. Armelk From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Oct 9 01:16:06 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review In-Reply-To: <1160180013.14809.18.camel@StrikeForce> References: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4529A2D6.2020806@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marc Wiriadisastra escribi?: > Also Ubuntu is trying > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271532&highlight=upstart > Upstart instead of init now they seem to be heading to the direction of > running it fully. It will be interesting to see how it performs > hopefully it improves the boot process even more. I thought there was work in progress for a new init system, called initng if I recall correctly, which supposedly would load and process start up scripts in tandem rather than sequentially. Stuff which can be loaded all at once will be loaded at once, and that which require prior stuff is loaded when the reqs are met. I thought Fedora was going to use this type of init system instead of upstart (or upstart could be a new name for initng from what I can make out of that post). This with login-early would greatly improve boot up times. I thought some of these stuff is what makes XP boot so fast (at least concurrent loading of services and an early login, while the system finishes booting when the users start their sessions). > > Other factors I'm not sure why but fedora seems less responsive compared > to ubuntu. I'm not sure where to lay the blame. My comparative figures > come from playing games using cedega. > > Thats not to say fedora is bad I had worse results with vanilla debian. > Yet on boot up and responsiveness on the desktop it was great. > > Could it be kernel? I know ubuntu separates there server kernel's and > the desktop kernels? Is this an option? > Most certainly this is a kernel issue. I'm betting this has to do with the internal Hz value used in the kernel. This determines the tick frequency. By default the vanilla value is of 100Hz, and I believe the Fedora kernel also has this value. Increasing this value to 1000Hz improves a great deal the desktop "perceived performance", not actual desktop speed, but much greater interactivity. There are other values, but I believe (from reading some "performance patches" documentation and mailing lists, like that for Con Kolivas' patch) that the safe value for server machines is 100-200 Hz, while for desktop interactivity the recommended is 1000Hz. There was a time when the actual CPU speed would have a great impact on this (make Hz value half of that of CPU... If you had a 2 GHz CPU use a 1000Hz value, if you had a 1 GHz CPU use a 500 Hz tick value, and the like), I think this no longer applies. Plus there are lots of patches the Fedora kernel incorporates over a vanilla kernel which may induce a performance hit, most of them deal with security issues (security > speed). That's one of the reasons why I usually run custom built kernels (trying to keep most of Fedora's patches) with some other performance enhancement patches (beyond sources for instance). Wine and Cedega really benefit from a higher Hz tick rate and other enhancements found on CK-based and Andrew Morton's patches (though Andrew's patches are considered to be much more experimental stuff, while CK is considered to be stable stuff). The impact a kernel can have on a system's performance is quite big, however for the last couple kernel updates, I have not been able to tell any really significant difference (except for a few) between custom built kernels with additional patches and Fedora's stock kernel. Not even when patching without Fedora's patches and only applying performance enhancers to a vanilla kernel. One particular area that could be much better, though is the use of more current libata on fedora kernels, as S-ATA performance with stock kernels is not as high, another reason why I use custom kernels. Another reason why some times performance feels quite lower is due to the way many programs are built. In terms of linking. The more dynamically linked libraries a program requires, the more time it takes to load (see firefox's start up times!), however this should be addressed on FC6, which incorporates ways to boost load times of dynamically linked code, thanks to improvements on GlibC's routines. Some time it is strange that a GTK application in GNOME takes almost the same amount of time to load as Qt application (which has to load the KDE stuff if it requires it, like K3B). Loading up K3B and firefox usually take the same time (and lots of disk activity). The situation is only worse if you have a multilib system (like an x86_64 or PPC64 machine with 32-bit libraries and programs). In my case, 64-bit firefox loads many times faster than 32-bit firefox (because 32-bit firefox has to load up a bunch of other 32-bit libs too). I guess some programs may really benefit from statically linking, at least in terms of start up times. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKaLWXM+XOp70dwoRApZsAJ93hy38smvBVtYCZLuumJdYU/xUxACghaTZ eN8/oCmsddEH4C2ghF+3d30= =YqBi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 9 10:34:51 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:34:51 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] OOo Impress Template for FC6 Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610090334h4848f565v26a2fdfe2157bafa@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I created a new template when I was updating my massive FC impress presentation. Here it is , hope it might be useful to someone: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=chit-template.odp Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 9 16:06:34 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:36:34 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Pre release review In-Reply-To: <4529A2D6.2020806@prodigy.net.mx> References: <45267290.6000209@fedoraproject.org> <4529A2D6.2020806@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <452A738A.70902@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I thought there was work in progress for a new init system, called > initng if I recall correctly, which supposedly would load and process > start up scripts in tandem rather than sequentially. Stuff which can > be loaded all at once will be loaded at once, and that which require > prior stuff is loaded when the reqs are met. Initng is already in Fedora Extras after a long review process. I thought Fedora was > going to use this type of init system instead of upstart (or upstart > could be a new name for initng from what I can make out of that post). No. Its a new init system written after the review process of initng started and we havent decided which init system to adopt or whether to write a new one. Speed is not the factor that would lead Fedora to get a new init system. There are a number of other advantages that are more important. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 9 20:54:44 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:24:44 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Call for screenshots - Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <452AB714.1030006@fedoraproject.org> Hi guys, Fedora Core 6 will be out shortly and I need to do some release writeups and I would love to show off the cool new features from your Fedora Core 6 desktops. I would like to get screenshots and screencasts of the following features offlist preferably as web links instead of attachments. If you use the default desktop setup before doing the snaps, that would be more formal. * Compiz/AIGLX related bling - cubes, rotates etc * DNA theme effects * Puplet notifications * virt-manager Xen management interface in action. * SELinux graphical trouble shooting tool. * Dogtail in action * Fedora Core 6 on Intel based Macs. * Screencasts showing off smart card integration. Anything else I missed out. Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Oct 9 23:45:23 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:45:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Call for screenshots - Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <452AB714.1030006@fedoraproject.org> References: <452AB714.1030006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <452ADF13.2020307@glezos.com> O/H Rahul Sundaram ??????: > Hi guys, > > Fedora Core 6 will be out shortly and I need to do some release writeups > and I would love to show off the cool new features from your Fedora > Core 6 desktops. I would like to get screenshots and screencasts of the > following features offlist preferably as web links instead of > attachments. If you use the default desktop setup before doing the > snaps, that would be more formal. > > * Compiz/AIGLX related bling - cubes, rotates etc > * DNA theme effects > * Puplet notifications > * virt-manager Xen management interface in action. > * SELinux graphical trouble shooting tool. > * Dogtail in action > * Fedora Core 6 on Intel based Macs. > * Screencasts showing off smart card integration. > > Anything else I missed out. Probably some shots of localized desktops with the new DejaVu font too? =) -d > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 9 23:50:03 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:20:03 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Call for screenshots - Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <452ADF13.2020307@glezos.com> References: <452AB714.1030006@fedoraproject.org> <452ADF13.2020307@glezos.com> Message-ID: <452AE02B.30604@fedoraproject.org> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > O/H Rahul Sundaram ??????: >> Hi guys, >> >> Fedora Core 6 will be out shortly and I need to do some release writeups >> and I would love to show off the cool new features from your Fedora >> Core 6 desktops. I would like to get screenshots and screencasts of the >> following features offlist preferably as web links instead of >> attachments. If you use the default desktop setup before doing the >> snaps, that would be more formal. >> >> * Compiz/AIGLX related bling - cubes, rotates etc >> * DNA theme effects >> * Puplet notifications >> * virt-manager Xen management interface in action. >> * SELinux graphical trouble shooting tool. >> * Dogtail in action >> * Fedora Core 6 on Intel based Macs. >> * Screencasts showing off smart card integration. >> >> Anything else I missed out. > > Probably some shots of localized desktops with the new DejaVu font too? =) > Yep and I want a screenshot of that new default home page too. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 13 16:37:47 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:07:47 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Inside Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <452FC0DB.2020807@fedoraproject.org> Hi The first part of my overview on Fedora Core 6. Feedback and questions are welcome. http://www.redhat.com/magazine/024oct06/features/fc6/?sc_cid=bcm_edmsept_007 Rahul From bollbudb at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 14:25:10 2006 From: bollbudb at yahoo.com (wayne bollman) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] lan setup for fedora core 5 Message-ID: <20061005142510.84351.qmail@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I NEED ASSISTANCE OR INSTRUCTION ON SETTING UP A LOCAL AREA NETWORK CONNECTION WHERE MY INTERNET ACCESS IS A BROADBAND CABLE CONNECTION WHICH IS ALWAYS ON, AND I HAVE 2 OTHER SYSTEMS CONNECTED ON WHICH WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL ARE INSTALLED. I USE AN ETHERNET ROUTER AND I HAVE THE SYSTEM WITH FEDORA CORE 5 ALL CONNECTED UP, AND ALL LIGHTS ARE GREEN ON MY CABLE MODEM AND THE ETHERNET ROUTER. ANY ADVICE OR ASSISTANCE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, SINCE I NEED THIS SETUP FOR A COURSE ON UNIX/LINUX IN WHICH I AM ENROLLED AT RICH MOUNTAIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN MENA, ARKANSAS. THANK YOU, WAYNE E. 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Best regards, Ana From jcasad at linux-magazine.com Fri Oct 13 03:23:02 2006 From: jcasad at linux-magazine.com (Joe Casad) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Urgent: Request for Fedora Core 6 information Message-ID: <16259c05db17090cc39c767fe1ccb90f@linux-magazine.com> Hello, Fedora Marketing Manager-- Linux Magazine International (which is called Linux Pro Magazine in the US) is planning on including Fedora Core 6 with an upcoming issue. We have a very international audience, and I think we'll be able to provide some great coverage of Fedora for readers around the world. We're in the process of lining up some information on Fedora for promotional materials that will accompany the issue Would it be possible for someone at Fedora to supply us with the following? 1. A brief statement of what your goals were for the latest release. 2. A list of any new features in this release that were not included in previous versions. 3. 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Is it possible to offer to convert from MP3 format to ogg by using some available tools when the user tries to play mp3? I am not knowledgeble about if there are patent issues involved in using MP3 to ogg format conversion. Regards, Sreenivas. ----- Original Message ---- From: "fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com" To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, 3 October, 2006 9:30:07 PM Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 2 Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. idea on explaining the mp3 question (Sam Folk-Williams) 2. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Rahul Sundaram) 3. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Siddharth Upmanyu) 4. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Karlie Robinson) 5. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Karsten Wade) 6. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Sam Folk-Williams) 7. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Dimitris Glezos) 8. Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary (Jeffrey Tadlock) 9. Re: idea on explaining the mp3 question (Nicu Buculei) 10. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Sam Folk-Williams) 11. Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? (Rahul Raheja) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:41:16 -0400 From: Sam Folk-Williams Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <1159807276.24595.57.camel at localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where it is explained in further detail? I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:19:55 +0530 From: Rahul Sundaram Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <45214333.6080409 at fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > Hi, > > I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many > questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. > > A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when > it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, > negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. > > I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing > happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed > seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that > explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where > it is explained in further detail? We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red Hat Linux releases. That didnt have much of a benefit though for whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different players and the user experience on some was worse than the others. > I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the > confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the "distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this. Rahul ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Siddharth Upmanyu Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <20061002171529.88014.qmail at web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good Idea... What the Developers and marketing people think about it? SiddharthUpmanyu ----- Original Message ---- From: Sam Folk-Williams To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question Hi, I know this is an overly-discussed issue, but since I get so many questions on it I wanted to run this idea past everyone. A common complaint I hear is that people think Fedora is "broken" when it doesn't play MP3s. This leads to mailing list and forum traffic, negative word-of-mouth exposure, and needless confusion. I think the problem is that when you try to play an MP3 file... nothing happens at all or you get an ugly codec message -- both of these indeed seem to indicate something is broken. Why not have a pop up that explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where it is explained in further detail? I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:52:49 +0000 From: Karlie Robinson Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question To: Siddharth Upmanyu , Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <452127C1.5070007 at fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I think it's a step in the right direction. One thing Linux in General needs to stay away from is feeling unfriendly and that someone should just know what's going on. It wouldn't have to be more than a quick simple statement about Why MP3 support isn't native as long as the link you're sending people to gives enough information on the ways they could still use their MP3 collection. After all, we don't want to loose someone just because they didn't know they could convert their MP3s to OGG. Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > Good Idea... > What the Developers and marketing people think about it? > > SiddharthUpmanyu > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sam Folk-Williams > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > Sent: Monday, October 2, 2006 10:11:16 PM > Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question > > Why not have a pop up that > explains why Fedora doesn't play MP3s and give a link to the wiki where > it is explained in further detail? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:10:00 -0700 From: Karsten Wade Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <1159827000.19689.278.camel at erato.phig.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:12 -0400, M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hi Max, > > Max Spevack wrote: > > So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > > the wiki. > > > > But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good. > > So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past, > and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from > it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations? Two things here: i. We need to update our Moin Moin instance; we'll get some new layout features (and problems) when that happens. Fedora Infrastructure is accountable here, and they are working on it (big up to mmcgrath). ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more control over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get it done sooner: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo So, where Max pointed out two target points (by-next-weekend, 2 months), there are really three points (by-next-weekend, 2 weeks, 2 months). And, IMHO, 2 months should really be 1 month. Or even sooner. But I don't have volunteers to loan or purse strings to untie. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5 to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our existing process. Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production stuff running on the server. I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not sure how to get it moving. Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:24:16 +0100 From: Dimitris Glezos Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base , fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <1159831456.4397.7.camel at localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain (CCing fedora-infrastructure-list) Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > > ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more > > control > > over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is > > resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get > > it > > done sooner: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo > > This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5 > to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of > Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our > existing process. > > Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production > stuff running on the server. Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) > I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not > sure how to get it moving. I'm offering to volunteer to the infrastructure project too (plone, foo) and participate in IRC meetings & discussions. -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:55:54 -0400 From: Jeffrey Tadlock Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Ohio Linux Fest 2006 Summary To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <4521D13A.9030202 at elfshadow.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The Ohio Linux Fest held this past Saturday, September 30th was a great success! The booth came together very nicely - we had Fedora T-Shirts, Stickers, Core 5 DVDs and informational handouts available at the booth. There were three of us primarily working the booth - Joe Connelly and Brian Pepple. Tom "Spot" Callaway was also there, originally to hang out with us at the Fedora booth, but ended up working the Red Hat booth right next to us - though he was still a great help to us. The announced crowd was just over 1200 people, between presentations the aisles were quite packed. Our booth saw lots of foot traffic with people ranging from new to Linux to having used it since Red Hat 6.x or earlier and wondering what Fedora was up to. Nearly all comments were favorable to Fedora, many people were running Fedora in some fashion - either on their own PCs or on servers for businesses they worked for. There were a few recurring questions through the day, some of which where: * Yum is slow was one of the complaints we kept hearing. It was a pleasure to let people know that there was an updated yum in Core 6 that was aimed at taking on any speed issues. * I had several questions regarding the Fedora Directory Server - mainly in regards to features it offered. There certainly seems to be interest in this. * We heard what I thought to be a number of comments alluding to an animosity between the Fedora Project and Red Hat. I am not quite sure why that thought is out there. * There were several questions about who we worked for, etc. It was nice to reply with we were just members of the Fedora Project community helping out. I think it really helped reinforce that there is a lot of room for community involvement in the project. * And of course there were lots of when is Core 6 coming out and what new features will be in it. Later in the afternoon we also had a "Birds of a Feather" session. Tom Callaway was there and was an excellent and knowledgeable speaker and it was great to have him there. Some of the items brought up were Fedora and multimedia (mp3's, DVD playback, etc), Xen and virtualization and new features and improvements in Core 6. All in all it was a great show. Lots of fun for everyone involved I think. I was very happy with how the booth turned out and I think Fedora was very well represented there. I want to thank all the people that helped get me the materials and information I needed for this event - including Max and David Barzilay. And last but not least, here are some of the pictures from the show (I may be adding more as I receive them from the others): http://www.elfshadow.net/ohiolinuxfest2006/ --Jeffrey ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:32:44 +0300 From: Nicu Buculei Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] idea on explaining the mp3 question To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <4522040C.7070508 at nicubunu.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > We had a dialog box popup when trying to play MP3 in XMMS in earlier Red > Hat Linux releases. That didnt have much of a benefit though for > whatever reasons. The problem was that we had a number of different > players and the user experience on some was worse than the others. > >> I could file an RFE on this.... I think it would cut down on the >> confusion. Has this been previously discussed? Thoughts? > > Now that we have mostly settled down on Rhythmbox by default and > Gstreamer as the multimedia framework that can be shared across desktop > environments etc, its easier to do this. You can file a RFE against the > "distribution" component instead of specific players so we that if we > implement anything, we do it across the players we provide. Should > probably look at installing the fluendo plugin after a agreement or > things like that depending on how far we need to extend support to this. I proposed the same thing back in March but the idea was shot down for both technical and political reasons, even if the landscape was the same: gstreamer, rhythmbox, totem and fluendo plugin. Nice to see it raised again. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:48:43 -0400 From: Sam Folk-Williams Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base Cc: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <1159876123.10029.12.camel at localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an easy task in terms of $$, etc. Sam -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:53:52 +0530 From: "Rahul Raheja" Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? To: "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi.. I agree with SAM .. is it feasible in terms of investment .. ?? On 10/3/06, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :) > > Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an > easy task in terms of $$, etc. > > Sam > -- > Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE > Global Support Services > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20061003/1d7178d0/attachment.html ------------------------------ -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 2 **************************************************** __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am enquiring about my computer and its compatibility. 1) I have a "ralink turbo wireless LAN card" is this compatible, as I do not have an Ethernet port so it is my only access to the Internet? 2) I am using a Laptop for the installation and due to this i have a set screen size. (1280 x 800) is this compatible with fedora? Thanks for your help in advance Matt Bacon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 08:51:15 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:21:15 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20061003190954.82978.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061003190954.82978.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45334803.3090107@fedoraproject.org> Sreenivas S. wrote: > Hi every one, > > Before I put forward my opinion I have to introduce my self. My name is > Sreenivas. I live in Hyderabad, India. I signed up in Ambassador list > hoping I'd start my contributions with shipping Fedora core media. > > My two cents about MP3, as Sam suggested it seems to be a good idea to > pop-up a window and tell the user why MP3 is not supported. It will be > useful to point to help on how MP3 files can be converted to other > supported formats in Fedora and any advantages, etc.. > > Is it possible to offer to convert from MP3 format to ogg by using some > available tools when the user tries to play mp3? I am not knowledgeble > about if there are patent issues involved in using MP3 to ogg format > conversion. Yes. We would need to include a decoder to do that which isnt kosher. Moreover converting from one lossy format to another such as MP3 to OGG conversions usually results in low quality audio. Rahul From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Oct 16 08:58:54 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Wave of end-user questions Message-ID: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> Just preceding this message is the latest wave of end-user messages delivered to info at fedoraproject.org. These are usually simple end-user questions that need simple answers. RTFM-type messages are unacceptable, but if you feel that you can answer some of these questions, please feel free to give it a try. When you answer one of these messages, trim the [fedora-marketing-list] part of the subject and CC this list. Make sure the To field is set to the user and not this list. Right now, the Reply-To header on incoming messages is set to the list. I'm going to change that as soon as I finish this message. The info@ alias used to be pointed to the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee, but that group decided that it could not handle these queries. I know that readers of this list may not like this solution, and I'm open to other suggestions. Here are some thoughts I've had for alternatives: 1. New mailing list We could create a new mailing list specifically to handle this task. This would have the advantage of being dedicated and not polluting a list that already has another directive. The problem would be getting enough people subscribed to handle the incoming questions and finding one or more people to filter out the spam. 2. Ticketing system We could point the alias at the Ticket System with its own queue. This solution is similar to a new mailing list, and it would suffer the same problems. 3. Replace info@ listing with an HTML form Instead of listing a contact address, we could build an online help and feedback system that would allow users to punch their questions in online. This would eliminate most spam. The messages would still need to be fed to a mailing list or to the Ticket System. If anyone wants to tackle this, let me know and I'll point you in the right direction. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Oct 16 09:10:30 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Kernel Question In-Reply-To: <20061001180632.22334.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061001180632.22334.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200610160410.33149.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 01 October 2006 13:06, Stephen Buccola wrote: > > I'm fairly new to Linux and chose to download Fedora Core 5. I'm currently > installing a program, PCMIA, and it asks me to locate my kernel source > directory. I was under the impression that it could be found under > "/usr/src/linux", however, there is no such directory. > > I was wondering if there was a generic location for the kernel directory > that I just haven't found or if it can be put anywhere depending on the > box. Is there a way in the terminal to locate the directory? > You actually need to install a separate package that contains the basic files you'll need to build a new module against the running kernel. From a console with root privileges: yum install kernel-devel Once installation is complete, the files you need will be installed under /usr/src/kernels/. Symbolic links that can be found under /lib/modules/ are used by most build scripts to locate the appropriate files. 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Thank you for your interest. > > We're in the process of lining up some information on Fedora for > promotional materials that will accompany the issue Would it be possible > for someone at Fedora to supply us with the following? > > 1. A brief statement of what your goals were for the latest > release. Desktop effects, improved performance and better integrated virtualization were some of the major goals. > 2. A list of any new features in this release that were not > included in previous versions. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary > 3. Press releases and other descriptive documents. Red Hat would have a press release out when the release is made. > 4. A summary of Help sources (both official and independent). We have a wiki version of the release notes currently at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats. The release would have a html copy. > > 5. Other useful links with relevant information. The first part of my overview is available at http://www.redhat.com/magazine/024oct06/features/fc6/?sc_cid=bcm_edmsept_007 Phoronix did a review of FC6 Test 1 at http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=499&num=1 > 6. System requirements. Same as the previous release. Part of the release notes. Here is the development copy. http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html > 7. 4-6 interesting and representative screenshots (normal > height/width ratio, _not_ wide-screen, .png files). My review has a couple of them. There is more at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore6 > 8. A complete package list. The published release notes would have this. The current development version is representative. http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ > Note that we are on a short cycle with this, since we are printing next > week. If possible, we would like to receive any or all information by > next Monday 10/16. If you don't have all the answers by next Monday, > please just send along the information you do have. The screenshots and > the package list are particularly important. > > Feel free to call me if you have any questions: (USA) 785-832-8615 Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 13:14:49 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Modifying distro In-Reply-To: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> References: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270610160614gdc94e74p38849ef52ba790a8@mail.gmail.com> If I knew enough to answer this question, I would, but since I can't... Any volunteers? Thanks, Alex On 10/10/06, Service wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested in learning your dir layout and how you generate your iso with > the purpose of making my own. I've googled around but not really found > anything. I sort of managed to reverse engineer how it was done, but forgot > and it was still not working quite right. > > Can you please direct me to instructions on how to recreate the distro in > detail? > > -- > > Steve > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 13:19:09 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:49:09 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Modifying distro In-Reply-To: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> References: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> Message-ID: <453386CD.1090803@fedoraproject.org> Service wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested in learning your dir layout and how you generate your iso with > the purpose of making my own. I've googled around but not really found > anything. I sort of managed to reverse engineer how it was done, but forgot > and it was still not working quite right. > > Can you please direct me to instructions on how to recreate the distro in > detail? Refer to the document for distribution builders in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda. You can find more information in the Anaconda-devel list archives. If you have further questions, feel free to subscribe and ask questions in that list. Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 13:18:51 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:18:51 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora compatability In-Reply-To: <000601c6ee18$13f7f1c0$0202a8c0@BaconLaptop2> References: <000601c6ee18$13f7f1c0$0202a8c0@BaconLaptop2> Message-ID: <7f617d270610160618x5ea60362j3d8936bfcb380f13@mail.gmail.com> Dear Matt, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL is the closest to a full hardware compatibility list we've got. If you cannot find answers to your questions there, you can also ask your question on fedora-list at redhat.com or refer to http://fedoraforum.org . Thank you for using Fedora! Alex On 10/12/06, Matt Bacon wrote: > > > > > Hi I am considering going over to fedora as a secondary operating system due > to the Linux appeal. I am enquiring about my computer and its compatibility. > > > > 1) I have a "ralink turbo wireless LAN card" is this compatible, as I do not > have an Ethernet port so it is my only access to the Internet? > > > > 2) I am using a Laptop for the installation and due to this i have a set > screen size. (1280 x 800) is this compatible with fedora? > > > > Thanks for your help in advance > > > > Matt Bacon > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From rino.mardo at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 13:28:01 2006 From: rino.mardo at fedoraproject.org (Rino Mardo) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:28:01 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora compatability In-Reply-To: <000601c6ee18$13f7f1c0$0202a8c0@BaconLaptop2> References: <000601c6ee18$13f7f1c0$0202a8c0@BaconLaptop2> Message-ID: <453388E1.6070802@fedoraproject.org> Matt Bacon wrote: > Hi I am considering going over to fedora as a secondary operating system > due to the Linux appeal. I am enquiring about my computer and its > compatibility. > > > > 1) I have a "ralink turbo wireless LAN card" is this compatible, as I do > not have an Ethernet port so it is my only access to the Internet? > > > > 2) I am using a Laptop for the installation and due to this i have a set > screen size. (1280 x 800) is this compatible with fedora? > > > > Thanks for your help in advance > > > > Matt Bacon > 1. it seems supported. i googled for "ralink turbo wireless LAN card" and they all point to it being realtek card. so i would presume using a realtek driver would help. 2. screen size or resolution is not an issue. since you didn't mention your laptop try going to linux-laptop.net and maybe you could find your laptop brand there. i would also suggest checking our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL hope this helps. don't be afraid to ask again. cheers From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Oct 16 14:34:59 2006 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Wave of end-user questions In-Reply-To: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <45339893.5030004@elfshadow.net> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > Just preceding this message is the latest wave of end-user messages delivered > to info at fedoraproject.org. These are usually simple end-user questions that > need simple answers. RTFM-type messages are unacceptable, but if you feel > that you can answer some of these questions, please feel free to give it a > try. Most of those were queued in the moderation queue? It looks like several of those were several days old. > The info@ alias used to be pointed to the Fedora Ambassadors Steering > Committee, but that group decided that it could not handle these queries. I > know that readers of this list may not like this solution, and I'm open to > other suggestions. Here are some thoughts I've had for alternatives: I would try to not make info@ handling too complicated. To me the info@ alias would be more similar to an Information Desk. It's not so important the Information Desk know the exact answer your actual question, but that they know where to redirect your question with a reasonable degree of promptness where you can get an answer to your question. There are several places to get help with Fedora technical issues already - IRC, Fedora mailing list and http://fedoraforum.org/. I would lean towards responses like Alex made to the Fedora Compatibility question. She directed the person to a resource to help fill the immediate need and then offered better forums for technical questions. In the end the Fedora Users end up with better support in the long run and most likely quicker response to questions if they post their questions to the appropriate places. Info@ can very politely thank them for their interest in Fedora, answer the question if they can and help direct them to the resources available to them. If the question cannot be answered, then I think an appropriate response is to ask them to submit their question to one of the technical lists or forums promptly where they can most likely receive help on their question. Those are my thoughts.... --Jeffrey From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 14:47:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:17:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora and counting users Message-ID: <45339B69.5080903@fedoraproject.org> Hi Ladislav, We have decided to not implement the hit counter mechanism use a image in the browser homepage and instead use the data from the central mirror updates since it is less intrusive [1]. It would be nice if you could update the news to include this information. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061016#news [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-October/msg00037.html Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 14:48:03 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:48:03 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=B4?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161010083.7459.2.camel@redhat> On 10-10-2006, tue at 11:47 +0100, Ana Loureiro wrote: > Dear Sirs/Madms > > I've installed in my PC (Toshiba Sattelite M30-X) the Fedora Core 5 > version and, unfortunetly I've lost my Root Password. What shall I do? > Hope to earing from you. > Best regards, > Ana Hi, You can boot your system into a single-user mode and then change the root password with the "passwd" command. You can perform it by adding "1" on the end of the kernel's parameters line during booting your system. Regards, -- Pawel Sadowski Fedora Ambassador in Poland From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 14:58:36 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:28:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=B4?= In-Reply-To: <1161010083.7459.2.camel@redhat> References: <1161010083.7459.2.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <45339E1C.6030301@fedoraproject.org> Pawel Sadowski wrote: > On 10-10-2006, tue at 11:47 +0100, Ana Loureiro wrote: >> Dear Sirs/Madms >> >> I've installed in my PC (Toshiba Sattelite M30-X) the Fedora Core 5 >> version and, unfortunetly I've lost my Root Password. What shall I do? >> Hope to earing from you. >> Best regards, >> Ana > > Hi, > > You can boot your system into a single-user mode and then change the > root password with the "passwd" command. You can perform it by adding > "1" on the end of the kernel's parameters line during booting your > system. > > Regards, You forgot to CC the person asking the question. Done. Rahul From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Oct 16 15:09:34 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Wave of end-user questions In-Reply-To: <45339893.5030004@elfshadow.net> References: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> <45339893.5030004@elfshadow.net> Message-ID: <200610161009.37885.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 16 October 2006 09:34, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > Just preceding this message is the latest wave of end-user messages > > delivered to info at fedoraproject.org. These are usually simple end-user > > questions that need simple answers. RTFM-type messages are unacceptable, > > but if you feel that you can answer some of these questions, please feel > > free to give it a try. > > Most of those were queued in the moderation queue? It looks like > several of those were several days old. > Yes, these messages are all held for moderation until one of the (busy) list admins has a chance to go through the queue and pick out the real messages from among all the spam. > > The info@ alias used to be pointed to the Fedora Ambassadors Steering > > Committee, but that group decided that it could not handle these queries. > > I know that readers of this list may not like this solution, and I'm > > open to other suggestions. Here are some thoughts I've had for > > alternatives: > > I would try to not make info@ handling too complicated. To me the info@ > alias would be more similar to an Information Desk. It's not so > important the Information Desk know the exact answer your actual > question, but that they know where to redirect your question with a > reasonable degree of promptness where you can get an answer to your > question. > > There are several places to get help with Fedora technical issues > already - IRC, Fedora mailing list and http://fedoraforum.org/. I would > lean towards responses like Alex made to the Fedora Compatibility > question. She directed the person to a resource to help fill the > immediate need and then offered better forums for technical questions. > > In the end the Fedora Users end up with better support in the long run > and most likely quicker response to questions if they post their > questions to the appropriate places. > > Info@ can very politely thank them for their interest in Fedora, answer > the question if they can and help direct them to the resources available > to them. If the question cannot be answered, then I think an > appropriate response is to ask them to submit their question to one of > the technical lists or forums promptly where they can most likely > receive help on their question. > > Those are my thoughts.... > I agree that it should be simple for the end-user, and none of my ideas would complicate it at that end. At our end, it is important to make sure that the messages are reaching people who can take care of them in a timely manner. Waiting in a mailing list queue for some unknown period of days is definitely not good, and this list already has a directive that doesn't include answering these kinds of questions. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://fedora-club.de Regards Heiko -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFM9FcFs/JPNR65YARAs78AJ4hnw8ViHaNX0Q8VrhNoZN+iixBVwCeKva3 C1MpuRzx/78HXU8PKo+c+M0= =NB1o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rgarth at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 22:44:23 2006 From: rgarth at gmail.com (Rob Garth) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:44:23 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Modifying distro In-Reply-To: <7f617d270610160614gdc94e74p38849ef52ba790a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> <7f617d270610160614gdc94e74p38849ef52ba790a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <183d138b0610161544q2729ff4dr27b30ad4a6784578@mail.gmail.com> I have some info compiled: http://www.users.on.net/~rgarth/weblog Hope it helps. On 10/16/06, Alex Maier wrote: > If I knew enough to answer this question, I would, but since I > can't... Any volunteers? > > Thanks, > Alex > > On 10/10/06, Service wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm interested in learning your dir layout and how you generate your iso with > > the purpose of making my own. I've googled around but not really found > > anything. I sort of managed to reverse engineer how it was done, but forgot > > and it was still not working quite right. > > > > Can you please direct me to instructions on how to recreate the distro in > > detail? > > > > -- > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Alex Maier > http://amaier.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From stickster at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 02:56:48 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] lan setup for fedora core 5 In-Reply-To: <20061005142510.84351.qmail@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061005142510.84351.qmail@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1161053808.3736.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 07:25 -0700, wayne bollman wrote: > I NEED ASSISTANCE OR INSTRUCTION ON SETTING UP A LOCAL AREA NETWORK > CONNECTION WHERE MY INTERNET ACCESS IS A BROADBAND CABLE CONNECTION > WHICH IS ALWAYS ON, AND I HAVE 2 OTHER SYSTEMS CONNECTED ON WHICH > WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL ARE INSTALLED. I USE AN ETHERNET ROUTER AND I > HAVE THE SYSTEM WITH FEDORA CORE 5 ALL CONNECTED UP, AND ALL LIGHTS > ARE GREEN ON MY CABLE MODEM AND THE ETHERNET ROUTER. > ANY ADVICE OR ASSISTANCE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, SINCE I NEED > THIS SETUP FOR A COURSE ON UNIX/LINUX IN WHICH I AM ENROLLED AT RICH > MOUNTAIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN MENA, ARKANSAS. > > THANK YOU, > > WAYNE E. BOLLMAN Hi Wayne, Thanks for your question. When people ask them it's usually considered polite to type in lower case letters so it doesn't look like you're "shouting." Just a tip for your future use -- now on to your question. If your Ethernet router offers DHCP services, configuration is just a few steps. (If you were able to install Windows XP without providing any extra information, that is probably the case.) Select "System -> Administration -> Network" from the Fedora Core 5 system's main menu, and provide the root password at the prompt. Then: 1. Select your Ethernet card in the dialog box. 2. Select "Edit." 3. Select "Activate device when computer starts." 4. Select "Automatically obtain IP address settings with:" and "dhcp." 5. Select "Automatically obatin DNS information from provider." 6. Select "OK." 7. Hit Ctrl+S to save, and then Ctrl+Q to quit. Save the settings if prompted. Now the interface will simply work. If you had to provide configuration information for your Windows XP boxes, like an IP address, network mask, and gateway address, you can do that through the same dialog in the indicated boxes. However, most routers include a built-in DHCP server so that may not be required. Good luck, best wishes, and please feel free to visit http://fedoraforum.org with additional questions. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 03:22:50 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:22:50 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Test 3 Screenshots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270610162022k66b41af5oa05f2207054336f3@mail.gmail.com> Chris, Thank you for your message. However, for us to answer, it would be helpful if you could clarify your request. Thank you, Alex On 9/28/06, Chris Haney wrote: > http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Fedora%20Core%206%20Test%203 > > -- > Chris Haney > > The Coding Studio > http://www.TheCodingStudio.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Oct 17 07:13:25 2006 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Wave of end-user questions In-Reply-To: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> References: <200610160358.58474.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <20061017071325.GK12992@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 03:58:54AM -0500, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > 1. New mailing list > 2. Ticketing system > 3. Replace info@ listing with an HTML form Any of these three ideas are better than dumping the messages onto this list. From prarit at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 13:26:21 2006 From: prarit at redhat.com (Prarit Bhargava) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:26:21 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Modifying distro In-Reply-To: <183d138b0610161544q2729ff4dr27b30ad4a6784578@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610102103.44979.service@szmidt.org> <7f617d270610160614gdc94e74p38849ef52ba790a8@mail.gmail.com> <183d138b0610161544q2729ff4dr27b30ad4a6784578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4534D9FD.9090701@redhat.com> >> >> >> On 10/10/06, Service wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm interested in learning your dir layout and how you generate >> your iso with >> > the purpose of making my own. I've googled around but not really found >> > anything. I sort of managed to reverse engineer how it was done, >> but forgot >> > and it was still not working quite right. >> > >> > Can you please direct me to instructions on how to recreate the >> distro in >> > detail? This is not detailed instructions but does give you a script you can use to build a distro: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205620 P. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alex Maier >> http://amaier.net >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 17:47:19 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:47:19 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> This group has not requested permission to use the logo and other graphics, and have they asked permission to change the logo, they wouldn't have got it. The logo is protected in the form as seen on fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo and shall not be changed from it. Max -- who should get in touch with them regarding this? Thanks, a On 10/16/06, Heiko Adams wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi folks, > I hope this isn't the wrong list. > Today I found this german fedora community site[1] which seems to use > parts of the Fedora Core 6 default background image in his welcome > message. Maybe this is a violation of someones copyrights and so I would > like to know if the webmaster has asked for permission or not. > > [1] http://fedora-club.de > > Regards > > Heiko > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFM9FcFs/JPNR65YARAs78AJ4hnw8ViHaNX0Q8VrhNoZN+iixBVwCeKva3 > C1MpuRzx/78HXU8PKo+c+M0= > =NB1o > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 17:49:02 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maureen Duffy is now running this show -- logo maintenance is a subproject of Fedora Art. cc:ing her. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Alex Maier wrote: > This group has not requested permission to use the logo and other > graphics, and have they asked permission to change the logo, they > wouldn't have got it. The logo is protected in the form as seen on > fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo and shall not be changed from it. > > Max -- who should get in touch with them regarding this? > > Thanks, > a > > > On 10/16/06, Heiko Adams wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi folks, > > I hope this isn't the wrong list. > > Today I found this german fedora community site[1] which seems to use > > parts of the Fedora Core 6 default background image in his welcome > > message. Maybe this is a violation of someones copyrights and so I would > > like to know if the webmaster has asked for permission or not. > > > > [1] http://fedora-club.de > > > > Regards > > > > Heiko > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFFM9FcFs/JPNR65YARAs78AJ4hnw8ViHaNX0Q8VrhNoZN+iixBVwCeKva3 > > C1MpuRzx/78HXU8PKo+c+M0= > > =NB1o > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Alex Maier > http://amaier.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 18:22:52 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > This group has not requested permission to use the logo and other > graphics, and have they asked permission to change the logo, they > wouldn't have got it. The logo is protected in the form as seen on > fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo and shall not be changed from it. > > Max -- who should get in touch with them regarding this? Their site appears to be having problems now (and they appear to be running Debian hehe. I looked through the logo usage request emails I've received as well as those in the ticketing system and since I've been doing the logo requests they haven't requested and thus not been approved. From here though I don't know how to proceed? ~m From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 18:24:22 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, [ISO-8859-1] M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > This group has not requested permission to use the logo and other > > graphics, and have they asked permission to change the logo, they > > wouldn't have got it. The logo is protected in the form as seen on > > fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo and shall not be changed from it. > > > > Max -- who should get in touch with them regarding this? > > Their site appears to be having problems now (and they appear to be > running Debian hehe. I looked through the logo usage request emails I've > received as well as those in the ticketing system and since I've been > doing the logo requests they haven't requested and thus not been approved. > > From here though I don't know how to proceed? > > ~m Get in touch with them and point out politely to them that they need our permission to use our mark, especially if they've modified it. And then get their request for permission -- or get a refusal. If you get a refusal, forward to me and I'll handle it from there. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 19:33:17 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45352FFD.3080800@redhat.com> I've gotten in touch with him (he also owns fedora-club.com and fedora-club.net btw) and hopefully will be able to resolve this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :) ~m Alex Maier wrote: > They seem to be having server problems intermittently. I had the page > loaded before, and here is a screenshot. Besides violating most web > design best-practice rules, they have modified Fedora logo in all > sorts of ways we expressly do not permit. >> Get in touch with them and point out politely to them that they need our >> permission to use our mark, especially if they've modified it. And then >> get their request for permission -- or get a refusal. >> >> If you get a refusal, forward to me and I'll handle it from there. From david at projetofedora.org Tue Oct 17 20:17:35 2006 From: david at projetofedora.org (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat Argentina is hiring Message-ID: Dear All, Red Hat Argentina is hiring an instructor Selection criteria: * Resident in Argentina * Mature * Spanish speaker (Brazilian Portuguese desireable) * Linux experienced (Java experience desireable) * Teaching skills * No specific certifications required Candidates should send their resumes to Sandra Iannone siannone at redhat.com (5411) 5235 8600 Best of luck, -- David Barzilay Marketing and Community Relations Manager Red Hat Brasil From david at projetofedora.org Wed Oct 18 20:02:34 2006 From: david at projetofedora.org (David Barzilay) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat Brasil is hiring Message-ID: Dear All, Red Hat Brasil is hiring an Instructor Selection criteria: * Senior Linux Systems Administrator * Experience giving Linux courses * Resident in S?o Paulo city / Brazil * Available for work travel * Good Technical English knowledge * Linux Certifications desireable Candidates should send their complete CVs to Ms. Gracineide Cipriano, gciprian at redhat.com. Best of luck! -- David Barzilay Marketing and Community Relations Manager Red Hat Brasil From duffy at redhat.com Wed Oct 18 20:39:38 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:39:38 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4536910A.4050801@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > They seem to be having server problems intermittently. I had the page > loaded before, and here is a screenshot. Besides violating most web > design best-practice rules, they have modified Fedora logo in all > sorts of ways we expressly do not permit. So I worked with Jovan on it - he was very cooperative - and here is the result: http://fedora-club.de/ If there are any other issues with this site let me know. ~m From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 23:20:35 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <4536910A.4050801@redhat.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> <4536910A.4050801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270610181620o50750888t4a47f9bb5356b3e7@mail.gmail.com> Hey, this is quite an improvement! I am glad Jovan was so forthcomming. Thanks to M?ir?n and to Jovan for the great work! a On 10/18/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > They seem to be having server problems intermittently. I had the page > > loaded before, and here is a screenshot. Besides violating most web > > design best-practice rules, they have modified Fedora logo in all > > sorts of ways we expressly do not permit. > > So I worked with Jovan on it - he was very cooperative - and here is the > result: > > http://fedora-club.de/ > > If there are any other issues with this site let me know. > > ~m > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography http://lulu.com/amaier From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 18 23:34:15 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:34:15 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Question about usage of parts of the background image of FC6 In-Reply-To: <4536910A.4050801@redhat.com> References: <20061016203711.516277a8@localhost.localdomain> <7f617d270610171047q74aae712j8f2eb5c7492845ef@mail.gmail.com> <45351F7C.90404@redhat.com> <7f617d270610171205wb3b5802i81a6d5f8063de972@mail.gmail.com> <4536910A.4050801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610181634s27424581leb60f9791a1f75cd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > So I worked with Jovan on it - he was very cooperative Is it possible to invite him to join the ambassador's team ? Perhaps he can build a good german fedora community like {ThomasCanniot, DamienDurand, and Co} did for the french fedora community. example: www.fedora-france.org chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From masterjediyoda at gmail.com Sun Oct 22 01:17:13 2006 From: masterjediyoda at gmail.com (John Teddy) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] free/libre software + entertainment technology computer festival on Long Island, NY(Nov 17th) Message-ID: <6dcad260610211817g2cc54a28yf8d6a2a111a4dfba@mail.gmail.com> Hey Fedora Marketing, There is a free/libre software + entertainment technology computer festival that will take place on November 17th(friday) from late afternoon into the night. Our website is located here: http://wiki.factfest.org ; I was hoping someone from Fedora could come to the festival and do a demo of Fedora, possibly a talk. Kind Regards, John Teddy From support at fedora-club.de Sun Oct 22 14:31:42 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:31:42 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Artwork question on fedora-club.de Message-ID: <1161527502.6910.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, have anybody ideas for fedora-club.de to integrate more artworks if possible on the page to present a more look and feel to fedora? jovan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe if there was a concrete project for them, like spiffing up the look and feel of fedora-club.de , the artists would be inspired to create some awesome work? Cheers, a On 10/22/06, Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > Hi, > > have anybody ideas for fedora-club.de to integrate more artworks if > possible on the page to present a more look and feel to fedora? > > > jovan > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography http://lulu.com/amaier From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 24 01:52:39 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:39 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Zod Review Message-ID: <453D71E7.7090804@fedoraproject.org> Hi "We have already used Fedora Core 6 Zod for several days now and have been extremely pleased by this release. The changes are extensive from default AIGLX + Compiz support to a great deal of performance improvements. Another nice feature is the immediate availability of Extras packages built for Fedora Core 6 (ATRPMS, Livna, and FreshRPMs also have third-party FC6 repositories established). After more than a dozen installations, we have not yet run into any show-stopping problems. " http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=573&num=1 Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 19:49:17 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:49:17 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Another Fedora Core 6 Review Message-ID: "I had pretty high expectations for Fedora Core 6 and in some ways they were met. FC 6 certainly is one of the best looking distro?s I have seen, especially for a default installation. but several smaller issue bugs that crept into FC 6 made me wonder how organized they really are. The problems I encountered with Fedora Core 6 were not huge issues, but there were enough smaller bugs that made me wonder if this release was rushed." http://lunapark6.com/?p=2454 -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 25 19:53:43 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:23:43 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Another Fedora Core 6 Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453FC0C7.7040303@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > "I had pretty high expectations for Fedora Core 6 and in some ways > they were met. FC 6 certainly is one of the best looking distro?s I > have seen, especially for a default installation. but several smaller > issue bugs that crept into FC 6 made me wonder how organized they > really are. The problems I encountered with Fedora Core 6 were not > huge issues, but there were enough smaller bugs that made me wonder if > this release was rushed." > > http://lunapark6.com/?p=2454 The "bug" cited is a explicit packaging conflict from totem-xine which is not even provided within Fedora Core 6. Sure, there are real bugs in the release but the review doesnt cover them. Rahul From harrington at ejkevents.com Tue Oct 24 15:35:11 2006 From: harrington at ejkevents.com (Beth Harrington) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] LinuxWorld Mexico 2007 Message-ID: <07D60A185A3F608230B2F@merlin.boomerang.com> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo M?xico February 27 to March 2, 2007 Mexico City, Mexico LinuxWorld Mexico 2006 was a success... 2007 will exceed your expectations! Take advantage of the growing business prominence of Linux and Open Source software by exhibiting at the most important international event in the industry! If your company offers products and/or services related to Open Source software, be sure to participate in the LinuxWorld Conference & Expo M?xico 2007, the event that will provide opportunities to: * Interact with more than 3,000 professional buyers of information technology * Establish new alliances * Position yourself as an industry leader in the conference program * Generate clients * Close business deals * And much more These are some of the results of the previous event: *Profile of attendees* More than 60% of LinuxWorld Mexico attendees belong to a high executive level. *Purchasing Role* 87% of attendees have an important role in making decisions about the purchase of equipment and services in the area of communications and information technology. * Final decision 44% * Approval 22% * Makes Recommendations 21% * Other 13% Budget intended for technology in their organizations: More than 36% of attendees have more than 100,000 dollars designated for the acquisition of open source solutions for their companies. * $1Million + 11% * $500,001 - $1,000,000 10% * $100,001 - $500,000 15% * $25,001 - $100,000 24% * $0 - $25,000 24% Reserve your exhibit space for LinuxWorld Mexico 2007 today. We have an option that is right for your company! Contact us at our US office now: Beth Harrington 301-493-5500 *3312 harrington at ejkevents.com Charlotte Hughes 301-493-5500 *3330 hughes at ejkevents.com Matthew Cunningham 301-493-5500 *3387 cunningham at ejkevents.com Copyright ? 2006 E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc. This announcement was sent to you as a previous customer or interested party regarding our technology-related exhibitions and conferences. >From time to time, we will provide you with valuable information on these events. Thank you, E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc. 6550 Rock Spring Drive, Suite 500 Bethesda, MD 20817 We respect your online privacy. If you would like to be taken off this list, please click here: http://www.responsetrack.net/takenoff1/?12U2L001SDL From lxmaier at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 14:48:45 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] LinuxWorld Mexico 2007 In-Reply-To: <07D60A185A3F608230B2F@merlin.boomerang.com> References: <07D60A185A3F608230B2F@merlin.boomerang.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270610260748k11a9536er11944c87f59fba04@mail.gmail.com> Beth, Does this event have a .ORG pavillion where free projects can exhibit for little or no cost? Fedora is a project, not a company, and so our budgets are rather in a different order of magnitude :) Cheers, Alex On 10/24/06, Beth Harrington wrote: > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo M?xico > February 27 to March 2, 2007 > Mexico City, Mexico > > LinuxWorld Mexico 2006 was a success... > 2007 will exceed your expectations! > > Take advantage of the growing business prominence of Linux and Open > Source software by exhibiting at the most important international event > in the industry! > > If your company offers products and/or services related to Open Source > software, be sure to participate in the LinuxWorld Conference & > Expo M?xico 2007, the event that will provide opportunities to: > > * Interact with more than 3,000 professional buyers of information > technology > > * Establish new alliances > > * Position yourself as an industry leader in the conference program > > * Generate clients > > * Close business deals > > * And much more? > > These are some of the results of the previous event: > > *Profile of attendees* > > More than 60% of LinuxWorld Mexico attendees belong to a high > executive level. > > *Purchasing Role* > > 87% of attendees have an important role in making decisions about the > purchase of equipment and services in the area of communications > and information technology. > > * Final decision 44% > * Approval 22% > * Makes Recommendations 21% > * Other 13% > > Budget intended for technology in their organizations: > > More than 36% of attendees have more than 100,000 dollars designated > for the acquisition of open source solutions for their companies. > > * $1Million + 11% > * $500,001 - $1,000,000 10% > * $100,001 - $500,000 15% > * $25,001 - $100,000 24% > * $0 - $25,000 24% > > Reserve your exhibit space for LinuxWorld Mexico 2007 today. We have an > option that is right for your company! > > Contact us at our US office now: > > Beth Harrington > 301-493-5500 *3312 > harrington at ejkevents.com > > Charlotte Hughes > 301-493-5500 *3330 > hughes at ejkevents.com > > Matthew Cunningham > 301-493-5500 *3387 > cunningham at ejkevents.com > > > Copyright (c) 2006 E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc. > > This announcement was sent to you as a previous customer or interested > party regarding our technology-related exhibitions and conferences. > >From time to time, we will provide you with valuable information on > these events. > > Thank you, > > E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc. > 6550 Rock Spring Drive, Suite 500 > Bethesda, MD 20817 > > > > We respect your online privacy. If you would like to be taken off this list, please click here: http://www.responsetrack.net/takenoff1/?12U2L001SDL > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography [homepage] http://amaier.net [photos and art books] http://lulu.com/amaier [posters] http://www.art.com/memberartist/amaier From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 27 20:56:02 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:26:02 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Review Message-ID: <45427262.4000304@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Fedora Core 6 was released on the 24th, not the 24th of December, but the 24th of October. I can't remember who said that on the Fedora IRC channel, but for him a new Fedora release was a bit like Christmas." http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_6_review.html Reviewer didnt have a positive impression of Pirut. Rahul From christoph.strobel at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 21:16:16 2006 From: christoph.strobel at gmail.com (Christoph Strobel) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:16:16 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Newbie Message-ID: <606ff3780610271416ib7d00d5i730fbec7b1ae9dc7@mail.gmail.com> Hello! My name is Christoph (usually called Chris) Strobel, I'm 25 and live in Mayen, RLP, Germany. I study maths and I run a small business for webdesign and development to feed my girlfriend (and our son she's "carrying" at the moment) and our daughter Celina. I joined the Ambassadors Group today and I'm looking forward to spread the word about Fedora and to convince many people that Fedora is the best choice for their computers too. I'm quite new to such kind of activity, so I would be thankful for every hint of how to be most helpful for the Fedora project. If some help is needed anywhere, let me know; I'm quite experienced in creating posters, fliers etc., also in creating web-pages. greetings, Chris Strobel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 22:57:54 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:57:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? Message-ID: On the second of Nov. 2006, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth will be in Beijing to attend the Ubuntu Edgy EFT release Party. He will give a talk to encourage more Chinese to use Ubuntu. If I remember right, RHAT has an office in Beijing. Are those guys doing anything? Regards, -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 28 12:49:48 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:19:48 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) Message-ID: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> Hi "All in all, I?m very pleased with Fedora Core 6. It seems like a very solid distribution, it?s easy and fun to use, and I?m damn pleased it automatically recognised my graphics card" http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/10/26/fedora-core-6-a-cursory-glance/ Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 16:38:14 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:38:14 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 28/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "All in all, I?m very pleased with Fedora Core 6. It seems like a very > solid distribution, it?s easy and fun to use, and I?m damn pleased it > automatically recognised my graphics card" > > http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/10/26/fedora-core-6-a-cursory-glance/ > > Rahul It seems fc6 is using 4:3 wallpaper for widescreen. Is this a bug? I have seen it in almost every reviews so far. -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 28 16:42:11 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:12:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) In-Reply-To: References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On Sat, 28/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi >> >> "All in all, I?m very pleased with Fedora Core 6. It seems like a very >> solid distribution, it?s easy and fun to use, and I?m damn pleased it >> automatically recognised my graphics card" >> >> http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/10/26/fedora-core-6-a-cursory-glance/ >> >> Rahul > > It seems fc6 is using 4:3 wallpaper for widescreen. Is this a bug? I > have seen it in almost every reviews so far. There are several different variations of the wallpapers for different resolutions and screen ratios. Not a bug. Rahul From gerold at lugd.org Sat Oct 28 17:37:58 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:37:58 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) In-Reply-To: <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1162057078.3204.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> it?s not a bug ... ....... it?s a feature .... (but not the same as in other OS?s) smiling Regards GeroldKa Am Samstag, den 28.10.2006, 22:12 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Leo wrote: > > On Sat, 28/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> "All in all, I?m very pleased with Fedora Core 6. It seems like a very > >> solid distribution, it?s easy and fun to use, and I?m damn pleased it > >> automatically recognised my graphics card" > >> > >> http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/10/26/fedora-core-6-a-cursory-glance/ > >> > >> Rahul > > > > It seems fc6 is using 4:3 wallpaper for widescreen. Is this a bug? I > > have seen it in almost every reviews so far. > > There are several different variations of the wallpapers for different > resolutions and screen ratios. Not a bug. > > Rahul > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >> have seen it in almost every reviews so far. > > There are several different variations of the wallpapers for different > resolutions and screen ratios. Not a bug. > > Rahul Why didn't fedora pick up the right one automatically? -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 29 15:05:26 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:35:26 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) In-Reply-To: References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4544C336.1030706@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: >>> It seems fc6 is using 4:3 wallpaper for widescreen. Is this a bug? I >>> have seen it in almost every reviews so far. >> There are several different variations of the wallpapers for different >> resolutions and screen ratios. Not a bug. >> >> Rahul > > Why didn't fedora pick up the right one automatically? That would be nice but I am not sure much additional code that would take. File a enhancement request at http://bugzilla.redhat.com Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 15:20:12 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <4544C336.1030706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 29/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Why didn't fedora pick up the right one automatically? > > That would be nice but I am not sure much additional code that would > take. File a enhancement request at http://bugzilla.redhat.com > > Rahul I don't think it takes much code. Just make default.png a link to the correct image based on the detected resolution. A lot of distributions can do this. Should I file the bug under FC6 or development? Thanks, -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 29 15:23:14 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:53:14 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) In-Reply-To: References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <4544C336.1030706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4544C762.6050506@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > > I don't think it takes much code. Just make default.png a link to the > correct image based on the detected resolution. A lot of distributions > can do this. > > > Should I file the bug under FC6 or development? > Development. We dont push Anaconda updates after release though it would be useful for respins. Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 15:29:04 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27/10/06, Leo wrote: > On the second of Nov. 2006, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth will be > in Beijing to attend the Ubuntu Edgy EFT release Party. He will give a > talk to encourage more Chinese to use Ubuntu. > > If I remember right, RHAT has an office in Beijing. Are those guys > doing anything? > Since no reply in tree days, I guess people are content with current situation. I have to say I admire Mark for his effort to promote Ubuntu, make it approachable to everybody. I hope the following still holds: Technology-wise Fedora is still in the lead. -- Leo From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 15:38:34 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 - A Cursory Glance (At What Looks Like A Great Distro) References: <454351EC.40607@fedoraproject.org> <45438863.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <4544C336.1030706@fedoraproject.org> <4544C762.6050506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 29/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Leo wrote: > >> >> I don't think it takes much code. Just make default.png a link to the >> correct image based on the detected resolution. A lot of distributions >> can do this. >> >> >> Should I file the bug under FC6 or development? >> > > Development. We dont push Anaconda updates after release though it > would be useful for respins. > > > Rahul For the record, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212838 -- Leo From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 29 18:33:43 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> Leo ha scritto: > On Fri, 27/10/06, Leo wrote: > > >> On the second of Nov. 2006, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth will be >> in Beijing to attend the Ubuntu Edgy EFT release Party. He will give a >> talk to encourage more Chinese to use Ubuntu. >> >> If I remember right, RHAT has an office in Beijing. Are those guys >> doing anything? >> >> > > Since no reply in tree days, I guess people are content with current > situation. > > I have to say I admire Mark for his effort to promote Ubuntu, make it > approachable to everybody. > > I hope the following still holds: > > Technology-wise Fedora is still in the lead. > > Hellp Leo, I want to underline two things: first Fedora is a community based project and it only sponsored by Red Hat and, second, in many cities and countries ambassadors organize event such as installation day etc... If you want to organize an event you can do it and you can request materials such as t-shirt and dvd (you have to be a marketing or ambassador member for this) compiling the form. Ubuntu is different from Fedora and, i think, this would mean that we have different goals (and similiar ones): this is our, and their, strenght. We organize, during the year, houndred and houndred of event everywhere, most of all are local event (e.g. suniversity event) and _all_ are organized by people that spend their free time talking with other about Fedora and Open Source. Thanks for your opinion Francesco Ugolini From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sun Oct 29 19:05:50 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:05:50 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 29 octobre 2006 ? 19:33 +0100, Francesco Ugolini a ?crit : > Leo ha scritto: > > On Fri, 27/10/06, Leo wrote: > > > > > >> On the second of Nov. 2006, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth will be > >> in Beijing to attend the Ubuntu Edgy EFT release Party. He will give a > >> talk to encourage more Chinese to use Ubuntu. > >> > >> If I remember right, RHAT has an office in Beijing. Are those guys > >> doing anything? > >> > >> > > > > Since no reply in tree days, I guess people are content with current > > situation. > > > > I have to say I admire Mark for his effort to promote Ubuntu, make it > > approachable to everybody. > > > > I hope the following still holds: > > > > Technology-wise Fedora is still in the lead. > > > > > Hellp Leo, > > I want to underline two things: first Fedora is a community based > project and it only sponsored by Red Hat and, second, in many cities and > countries ambassadors organize event such as installation day etc... If > you want to organize an event you can do it and you can request > materials such as t-shirt and dvd (you have to be a marketing or > ambassador member for this) compiling the form. > Don't dream that much about having things from the project as easily as it seems to be told here. We made an install party yesterday, in Paris, and requested schwags for it a month or two before, and received nothing, not even any answer telling us "sorry, we can't". Mandriva, a company which has GREATER financial difficulties that RH in france, is making much more buzz and that less difficulties to give things to people. I say "things" and not "goodies" as they gave us (for free!) a router for an install party in Lille. About DVDs, when I asked for them, I was asked to make them on my own so as to be reimbursed. I send everything to famsco again and had NO answer AGAIN. What's next ? And we have, now, to rely on William Hoffman inside RH France to push everything forward. That is not acceptable, at all. I really hope and really count on Thomas Tchung to change things inside famsco. Just my 2 cents .... From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 29 19:26:13 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:26:13 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] POLL: Fedora KDE Users Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610291126m2c80868dnd85f6ce50439303e@mail.gmail.com> Hello I'm just doing a survey on 1. what window decorator Fedora KDE users like 2. why they choose KDE in hope that possibly these datas might be useful for FC7 :) http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/poll-fedora-kde-users.html#links Again, this is not intended to flame wars, but to better know where to go with UnleashKDE http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 29 21:31:03 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:31:03 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0610291331t55d9834ch6ae346ea191437fe@mail.gmail.com> On 10/29/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Don't dream that much about having things from the project as easily as > it seems to be told here. > We made an install party yesterday, in Paris, and requested schwags for > it a month or two before, and received nothing, not even any answer > telling us "sorry, we can't". Mandriva, a company which has GREATER > financial difficulties that RH in france, is making much more buzz and > that less difficulties to give things to people. I say "things" and not > "goodies" as they gave us (for free!) a router for an install party in > Lille. > About DVDs, when I asked for them, I was asked to make them on my own so > as to be reimbursed. I send everything to famsco again and had NO answer > AGAIN. > > What's next ? And we have, now, to rely on William Hoffman inside RH > France to push everything forward. That is not acceptable, at all. I > really hope and really count on Thomas Tchung to change things inside > famsco. > > Just my 2 cents .... Trust me. Things will change for better! Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Sun Oct 29 22:12:46 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:12:46 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] POLL: Fedora KDE Users In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0610291126m2c80868dnd85f6ce50439303e@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0610291126m2c80868dnd85f6ce50439303e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4545275E.60000@projetofedora.org> Hi Chitlesh. I think another interesting pool is about icons. Add : what icons Fedora KDE users like ? 1 - Nuvola 2 - Bluecurve 3 - Crystal 4 - KDE 5 - GNOME 6 - Slick 7 - Neblina 8 - Others Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project FAMSCO Member Chitlesh GOORAH escreveu: > Hello > > I'm just doing a survey on > 1. what window decorator Fedora KDE users like > 2. why they choose KDE > > in hope that possibly these datas might be useful for FC7 :) > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/poll-fedora-kde-users.html#links > > Again, this is not intended to flame wars, but to better know where to > go with UnleashKDE > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE > > > chitlesh From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 23:22:21 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 29/10/06, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >> Since no reply in tree days, I guess people are content with current >> situation. >> >> I have to say I admire Mark for his effort to promote Ubuntu, make it >> approachable to everybody. >> >> I hope the following still holds: >> >> Technology-wise Fedora is still in the lead. >> >> > Hellp Leo, > > I want to underline two things: first Fedora is a community based > project and it only sponsored by Red Hat and, second, in many cities > and countries ambassadors organize event such as installation day > etc... If you want to organize an event you can do it and you can > request materials such as t-shirt and dvd (you have to be a marketing > or ambassador member for this) compiling the form. > >From the Ubuntu website: ,---- | Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available | with both community and professional support. It is developed by a | large *community* and we invite you to participate too! `---- So far almost every freely available GNU/Linux is a community based project. > Ubuntu is different from Fedora and, i think, this would mean that we > have different goals (and similiar ones): this is our, and their, > strenght. We organize, during the year, houndred and houndred of event > everywhere, most of all are local event (e.g. suniversity event) and > _all_ are organized by people that spend their free time talking with > other about Fedora and Open Source. So does Ubuntu. Why Mark pick Beijing to go is something we can think about. > > Thanks for your opinion > > Francesco Ugolini -- Leo From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 00:51:44 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:51:44 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 29/10/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: >> Hellp Leo, >> >> I want to underline two things: first Fedora is a community based >> project and it only sponsored by Red Hat and, second, in many cities and >> countries ambassadors organize event such as installation day etc... If >> you want to organize an event you can do it and you can request >> materials such as t-shirt and dvd (you have to be a marketing or >> ambassador member for this) compiling the form. >> > Don't dream that much about having things from the project as easily as > it seems to be told here. > We made an install party yesterday, in Paris, and requested schwags for > it a month or two before, and received nothing, not even any answer > telling us "sorry, we can't". Mandriva, a company which has GREATER > financial difficulties that RH in france, is making much more buzz and > that less difficulties to give things to people. I say "things" and not > "goodies" as they gave us (for free!) a router for an install party in > Lille. > About DVDs, when I asked for them, I was asked to make them on my own so > as to be reimbursed. I send everything to famsco again and had NO answer > AGAIN. > Feel sorry to hear this kind of stories. There are other frustrations. Speaking of installation, if I want to help someone install GNU/Linux, I have much more confidence to go with Ubuntu than Fedora. For one thing with Fedora I need 5 CDs (dont tell me about DVD it is not available on some areas), the chance of getting a corrupted CD is much much bigger. Secondly the installation has not been tested thoroughly i.e. it failed in a lot of machines. For my own desktop, I actually have to do a minimal FC5 install and then upgrade to FC6. It is very dangerous to frustrate newcomers in their first try. They will never come back to Fedora and try their every effort to persuade others to go away. I feel very sorry for a friend in Philippines, I recommend him to try FC. He managed to download the 5CDs with 60k/s to find out it didn't install for him. > What's next ? And we have, now, to rely on William Hoffman inside RH > France to push everything forward. That is not acceptable, at all. I > really hope and really count on Thomas Tchung to change things inside > famsco. > > Just my 2 cents .... -- Leo From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 01:54:04 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:54:04 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0610291754y45fe9208se5a8ed0e52a8689c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/29/06, Leo wrote: > Speaking of installation, if I want to help someone install GNU/Linux, > I have much more confidence to go with Ubuntu than Fedora. For one > thing with Fedora I need 5 CDs (dont tell me about DVD it is not > available on some areas), the chance of getting a corrupted CD is much > much bigger. Secondly the installation has not been tested thoroughly > i.e. it failed in a lot of machines. For my own desktop, I actually > have to do a minimal FC5 install and then upgrade to FC6. It is very > dangerous to frustrate newcomers in their first try. They will never > come back to Fedora and try their every effort to persuade others to > go away. I feel very sorry for a friend in Philippines, I recommend > him to try FC. He managed to download the 5CDs with 60k/s to find out > it didn't install for him. Leo, Please have him to contact me direct if he can't afford to buy from local or online vendors. We'll accommodate him from Fedora Free Media Program[1]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 02:22:22 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:22:22 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Help Needed from Fedora Free Media Program Message-ID: <369bce3b0610291822o58a4151fm37248678dd9f3527@mail.gmail.com> RE: Help Needed from Fedora Free Media Program All, Fedora Free Media Program needs your help. We still have over 70 requests needs to be fulfilled for the month of October. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/October If you can burn DVD and ship it on behalf of Fedora Project, please contact me. Best Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rino.mardo at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 06:07:52 2006 From: rino.mardo at gmail.com (Rino Mardo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:07:52 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> > Speaking of installation, if I want to help someone install > GNU/Linux, I have much more confidence to go with Ubuntu than > Fedora. For one thing with Fedora I need 5 CDs (dont tell me > about DVD it is not available on some areas), the chance of > getting a corrupted CD is much much bigger. Secondly the > installation has not been tested thoroughly i.e. it failed in > a lot of machines. For my own desktop, I actually have to do > a minimal FC5 install and then upgrade to FC6. It is very > dangerous to frustrate newcomers in their first try. They > will never come back to Fedora and try their every effort to > persuade others to go away. I feel very sorry for a friend in > Philippines, I recommend him to try FC. He managed to > download the 5CDs with 60k/s to find out it didn't install for him. > Leo, there's a reason why FC comes in all 5 CDs and one of them is to help users avoid downloading, let's say, developer tools should they need it. Ubuntu, if you will check, mostly you will have to do more downloads if you want something more (like developer tools) and it's not really advisable for a country like the Philippines where connection speed is terrible to keep on downloading in order to get your install complete. Should your friend require FC6 CDs or DVDs we can provide him a copy professional-made by the FedoraProject and already checked for errors (if any). Please goto http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia to request for it. I can also personally hand-over the CDs to your friend if he lives near Manila (and if he can wait) as I will be having my yearly vacation May 2007. By the way, I'm the Fedora Ambassador for the Philippines (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RinoMardo) ;-) From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 08:10:58 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:10:58 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: <4544F407.9050206@fedoraproject.org> <1162148750.3380.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0610291754y45fe9208se5a8ed0e52a8689c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30/10/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > Leo, > Please have him to contact me direct if he can't afford to buy from > local or online vendors. > We'll accommodate him from Fedora Free Media Program[1]. > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung That will be very nice. His computer is completely unusable at the moment. He was installing Fedora and formatted all the partitions since he really want to get rid of M$. I have sent his address to you in another email. -- Leo From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 08:34:07 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:34:07 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> Message-ID: On Mon, 30/10/06, Rino Mardo wrote: > Leo, there's a reason why FC comes in all 5 CDs and one of them is to help > users avoid downloading, let's say, developer tools should they need it. > Ubuntu, if you will check, mostly you will have to do more downloads if you > want something more (like developer tools) and it's not really advisable for > a country like the Philippines where connection speed is terrible to keep on > downloading in order to get your install complete. Should your friend > require FC6 CDs or DVDs we can provide him a copy professional-made by the > FedoraProject and already checked for errors (if any). Please goto > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia to request for it. > If we assume Fedora is for Desktop users, I think reducing the number of CDs is a must. Make it within 2 CDs would be nice. At least there should be an install option that does not require all 5 CDs. > I can also personally hand-over the CDs to your friend if he lives near > Manila (and if he can wait) as I will be having my yearly vacation May 2007. > By the way, I'm the Fedora Ambassador for the Philippines > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RinoMardo) ;-) Thanks for your offer. I'm thinking of bring his computer back in a month as he chose to format all partitions and didn't complete the install due to some file errors. -- Leo From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 09:08:56 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Become an Ambassador Message-ID: Hi there, As I am the one started the topic of release party in Beijing and it seems there is no ambassador in mainland China, I'd thus stand up to be one and help promoting Fedora in China. I studied in Beijing for 5 years, my friends and classmates are currently working in all kinds of big companies across the country. Worth mentioning, current Chinese president and a bunch of other high officials also graduated from there. I'm now completing my degree in Cambridge, UK. Regards, -- Leo From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Oct 30 09:13:55 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> Message-ID: <4545C253.8070200@adelphia.net> Leo wrote: > If we assume Fedora is for Desktop users, I think reducing the number > of CDs is a must. Make it within 2 CDs would be nice. At least there > should be an install option that does not require all 5 CDs. > Not all installation types require 5 CDs. 5 CDs comprises the whole of the Fedora Core distribution. Sounds plenty conservative to me, compared to Mandriva's 10 CD set or something. What you're wanting is similar to a barebones Windows XP install that fits in 550MB on once CD. Why don't you just move on and forget about Linux rather than spread misinformation that installihng Fedora Core requires 5 CDs? From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 10:48:49 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:48:49 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? References: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> <4545C253.8070200@adelphia.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30/10/06, Jasper Hartline wrote: > Leo wrote: >> If we assume Fedora is for Desktop users, I think reducing the number >> of CDs is a must. Make it within 2 CDs would be nice. At least there >> should be an install option that does not require all 5 CDs. >> > Not all installation types require 5 CDs. > 5 CDs comprises the whole of the Fedora Core distribution. > Sounds plenty conservative to me, compared to Mandriva's 10 CD set or > something. Mandriva is 4CD set. You might mean Debian, well they include >1,6000 packages. > > What you're wanting is similar to a barebones Windows XP install that > fits in 550MB on once CD. You think 2CDs installation is barebone ... > Why don't you just move on and forget about Linux rather than spread > misinformation that installihng Fedora Core > requires 5 CDs? who is actually spreading misinformation. Even with a minimal selection of packages, Anaconda will warn users to have 5CD at hand. If we indicate in the release notes that the default package selection only requires the first two CDs. I think that will save the majority of the users a lot of trouble. -- Leo From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Oct 30 10:49:16 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:49:16 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Ubuntu Release Party in Beijing, what about Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> <4545C253.8070200@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4545D8AC.2070806@adelphia.net> Leo wrote: > who is actually spreading misinformation. Even with a minimal > selection of packages, Anaconda will warn users to have 5CD at hand. > > Dependant upon the package selection you choose Anaconda will state which CDs you need. With a minimal selection of packages, Fedora Core requires CDs 1 and 2, yes you are spreading misinformation. > If we indicate in the release notes that the default package selection > only requires the first two CDs. I think that will save the majority > of the users a lot of trouble. > To be able to download and install for free, an open source operating system that provides some of the most up to date sofware available for Linux coming from a company who contributes to the OSS community a great deal, I don't neccessarily see installing Fedora Core as any bit of "trouble". If users are needing to save grief in installing software that causes "trouble" they need to stop using that software. There are just too many people who think this way as you describe and personally, it's sickening to me. J. Hartline From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 08:25:40 2006 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Which Distro? Was - Ubuntu Release Party In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c6fbe9$c5c9db50$240110ac@ALJOMAIHBEV.COM> <4545C253.8070200@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4545B704.5060700@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > You think 2CDs installation is barebone ... Ok, so this isn't quite a Fedora Friendly but here goes... As most of you know, I work with a lot of GNU/Linux developers and their communities. As such, I'm always getting asked what distro would be the best for someone. There are so many flavors, it's silly to think that one distro would fit every situation. And you may have to get use to the fact that Fedora may not be the right fit every time. As complete as Fedora is, it can't be everything for everyone. As a Fedora Ambassador, it's expected that you'll find a fedora solution. But if it is going to come down to giving someone a Fedora Solution that doesn't quite work or giving them a first time that has them singing in the GNU/Linux Choior, I would choose another distro. It's like my 3 year old son. Sometimes he just needs a nap. There are times when he asks to go to his room to lay down. Other days he is so tired and cranky, the last resort is tossing a pillow on the floor and turning on a DVD for him to watch. Once he is sleeping I can move him to his bed. Just as once someone is using linux it won't be as hard to move them over to Fedora. You just need to let things work at their own pace. I'm a broken record when I say that paying forward has it's rewards. The number one goal is to give someone a positive feeling about Fedora and Linux. If someone is getting hooked on GNU/Linux from a Fedora Ambassador, that's going to come back to us. (Stuff like that gets around) My most often advised distros based on their core strength... One disc install for a new user, *PCLinuxOS* For a one-disc install for someone who only uses a computer for a few things like email, the web (and can barely do that) *SymphonyOS* For Games, *Wolvix Games Edition* or the *SuperGamer* For Education, *Freeduc*, or *Edubuntu* For a server on Live CD - *SLAMPP* (think a full interactive web presentation on a live CD you could send to business clients, bandwidth not being an issue so you can really knock their socks off with graphics and sound) For Live Media applications - *Dyne:Bolic* (hascii cam is way cool) for Forensic exam of a computer system - *Helix* Heck, there's even Beer-nix and a distro out there made just for finding porn online. (It's probably ok that Fedora isn't known for that - lol) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 14:53:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:23:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Distrowatch on Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <454611EF.9070308@fedoraproject.org> Hi " Fedora Core 6 was finally released last week. Based on a few early reviews and first impressions on mailing lists, the Fedora development team has once again done a fantastic job. Many users have been impressed by the graphical configuration tool for Xen virtualisation, as well as the ability to add third-party repositories during installation. Most RPM repositories were especially quick to update their packages for Fedora Core 6 and provide instructions for configuring the yum package manager" http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061030#news Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 16:05:27 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:35:27 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Rant of the Week : Dusting Off the Hat =?windows-1252?q?=96_Revis?= =?windows-1252?q?iting_Fedora_?= Message-ID: <454622C7.1080203@fedoraproject.org> Hi "To conclude, previously I would not have recommended Fedora to anyone outside of the RedHat centric. This time around, I could honestly say Fedora would be a consideration for any experienced Linux user. I'm still not about to suggest someone cut their teeth with it, but if Fedora keeps up in its current direction, that might not be far behind. Great job to everyone on the Fedora Core team! I'm impressed. " http://en.theweeklyrant.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=19&page=0 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 16:28:27 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:58:27 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 (Zod) in Parallels Message-ID: <4546282B.90407@fedoraproject.org> Hi "So to conclude, I won't bore you with a deeper usability and performance review of this proud and shiny new piece of OSS engineering, since you can find much more elaborate ones all over the Net (1, 2) but I'll soon post about my further toying with Fedora through a native FC5 to FC6 upgrade on x86 architecture with my home file/media/LAMP server." http://tekartist.blogspot.com/2006/10/fedora-core-6-in-virtualized.html Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 16:30:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:00:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] First impressions of Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <454628C3.7080406@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Fedora is much closer to a power user's desktop: they've got AIGLX nicely honed, the virtualisation system blows the competition out of the water, and there is - ahem - little chance of you seeing undressed people in one of the wallpaper packages." http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=430 Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 18:20:07 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Become an Ambassador In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0610301020q5ed5c552q28cb9f4072d2ea5a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/30/06, Leo wrote: > Hi there, > > As I am the one started the topic of release party in Beijing and it > seems there is no ambassador in mainland China, I'd thus stand up to > be one and help promoting Fedora in China. I studied in Beijing for 5 > years, my friends and classmates are currently working in all kinds of > big companies across the country. Worth mentioning, current Chinese > president and a bunch of other high officials also graduated from > there. > > I'm now completing my degree in Cambridge, UK. > > Regards, > -- > Leo Hi Leo, Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo Contact me off-list if you have any question. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 19:32:10 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: First impressions of Fedora Core 6 References: <454628C3.7080406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "Fedora is much closer to a power user's desktop: they've got AIGLX > nicely honed, the virtualisation system blows the competition out of > the water, and there is - ahem - little chance of you seeing undressed > people in one of the wallpaper packages." > > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=430 > > Rahul Quote from the article: "Does it still lack many configuration tools (Yes)" What is lacking? I don't get it. -- Leo From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Oct 30 21:55:46 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:55:46 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: First impressions of Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: References: <454628C3.7080406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <454674E2.8050209@prodigy.net.mx> Leo escribi?: > On Mon, 30/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> Hi >> >> "Fedora is much closer to a power user's desktop: they've got AIGLX >> nicely honed, the virtualisation system blows the competition out of >> the water, and there is - ahem - little chance of you seeing undressed >> people in one of the wallpaper packages." >> >> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=430 >> >> Rahul >> > > Quote from the article: > > "Does it still lack many configuration tools (Yes)" > > What is lacking? I don't get it. > > Me neither... Actually I find Ubuntu lacking more... If he's comparing with YaST, that's a whole other story, as more often than not, the tools will not work. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 21:59:20 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:29:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: First impressions of Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: References: <454628C3.7080406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <454675B8.8060604@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On Mon, 30/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi >> >> "Fedora is much closer to a power user's desktop: they've got AIGLX >> nicely honed, the virtualisation system blows the competition out of >> the water, and there is - ahem - little chance of you seeing undressed >> people in one of the wallpaper packages." >> >> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=430 >> >> Rahul > > Quote from the article: > > "Does it still lack many configuration tools (Yes)" > > What is lacking? I don't get it. It appears that this review was written as a diff from an review of an earlier published one but I am not quite sure what the reviewer is referring to so prominently. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 22:13:19 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?Report=3A_Rentr=E9e_du_li?= =?iso-8859-1?q?bre?= Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> Here is my report on Rentr?e du Libre: http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/lug-strasbourg-la-rentre-du-libre.html I was happy that no distro bashing was done in between booth :) French: Our LUG's designer's post in french:(photos,audio) http://www.gribouillage-libre.com/Pos-3Section-blogCategorie-2006SousCategorie-102006#29-01 chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 22:19:38 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:19:38 -0800 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Fedora-marketing-list]_Report:_Rentr=E9e_du_libre?= In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> On 10/30/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Here is my report on Rentr?e du Libre: > > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/lug-strasbourg-la-rentre-du-libre.html > > I was happy that no distro bashing was done in between booth :) > > French: > Our LUG's designer's post in french:(photos,audio) > http://www.gribouillage-libre.com/Pos-3Section-blogCategorie-2006SousCategorie-102006#29-01 > > > chitlesh Nice report. Thank you Chitlesh! Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 22:29:45 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:59:45 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Report: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rentr=E9e_d?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?u_libre?= In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> Thomas Chung wrote: > On 10/30/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> Here is my report on Rentr?e du Libre: >> >> http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/lug-strasbourg-la-rentre-du-libre.html >> >> >> I was happy that no distro bashing was done in between booth :) >> >> French: >> Our LUG's designer's post in french:(photos,audio) >> http://www.gribouillage-libre.com/Pos-3Section-blogCategorie-2006SousCategorie-102006#29-01 >> > > Nice report. Thank you Chitlesh! There is also a pretty comprehensive report of a Fedora Core 6 release party http://mrtomlinux.org/index.php?2006/10/29/179-install-party-fedora-sur-paris. Running it through machine translation produces a reasonably good translation or someone can write up a English version. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 22:33:26 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:33:26 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Fedora-marketing-list]_Report:_Rentr=E9e_du_libre?= In-Reply-To: <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610301433pe8365d1kbedd1c9900aa8619@mail.gmail.com> On 10/30/06, Rahul Sundaram < hidden > wrote: > There is also a pretty comprehensive report of a Fedora Core 6 release > party > http://mrtomlinux.org/index.php?2006/10/29/179-install-party-fedora-sur-paris. > Running it through machine translation produces a reasonably good > translation or someone can write up a English version. These are 2 separate events :) - in Strasbourg - in Paris -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 30 22:57:02 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:27:02 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Report: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rentr=E9e_d?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?u_libre?= In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0610301433pe8365d1kbedd1c9900aa8619@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0610301433pe8365d1kbedd1c9900aa8619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4546833E.7050900@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 10/30/06, Rahul Sundaram < hidden > wrote: >> There is also a pretty comprehensive report of a Fedora Core 6 release >> party >> http://mrtomlinux.org/index.php?2006/10/29/179-install-party-fedora-sur-paris. >> >> Running it through machine translation produces a reasonably good >> translation or someone can write up a English version. > > These are 2 separate events :) > - in Strasbourg > - in Paris Yes I understand that. One event report just reminded me of another. Rahul From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Mon Oct 30 23:01:00 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Report: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rentr=E9e?= du libre In-Reply-To: <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0610301413ma637c18if6fdaef560c0632a@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0610301419j5ce7d322l95646f8d42da8a23@mail.gmail.com> <45467CD9.7020303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1162249260.6203.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 31 octobre 2006 ? 03:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 10/30/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > >> Here is my report on Rentr?e du Libre: > >> > >> http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/10/lug-strasbourg-la-rentre-du-libre.html > >> > >> > >> I was happy that no distro bashing was done in between booth :) > >> > >> French: > >> Our LUG's designer's post in french:(photos,audio) > >> http://www.gribouillage-libre.com/Pos-3Section-blogCategorie-2006SousCategorie-102006#29-01 > >> > > > > Nice report. Thank you Chitlesh! > > There is also a pretty comprehensive report of a Fedora Core 6 release > party > http://mrtomlinux.org/index.php?2006/10/29/179-install-party-fedora-sur-paris. > Running it through machine translation produces a reasonably good > translation or someone can write up a English version. > > Rahul Our report for lille and paris install parties is being reviewed by french ambassadors. We'll send it on the list during the week. :) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 31 21:27:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:57:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Innovates Unabated Message-ID: <4547BFC4.6030909@fedoraproject.org> Hi " The fast-moving Red Hat distribution polishes SELinux, adds new tools and improves performance. " http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2c1895%2c2048117%2c00.asp Rahul