From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 00:16:02 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:16:02 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Istanbul is now once again available in the Extras development tree. Message-ID: <604aa7910608311716t43feb439ib71223515d104321@mail.gmail.com> Just an FYI for all you crazy kids who want to use istanbul for screencasting into theora videos. Istanbul 0.2.1 just got through the buildsystem for fe-devel. This is not your grand-daddy's istanbul. Unlike the version in fe5, this one uses gst-0.10 and claims to record audio and wonders of wonders the mouse cursor too! Beat the crap out of it, and just remember to drive all those juicy ui and functionality bugs into the loving hands of the upstream developers. Don't shoot the messenger..err packager. And please if someone is able to use this to make what they consider reasonable quality videos, please update the screencasting wiki page with the system settings you used. Higher resolution displays will take more cpu and memory power, so we need to find a nice usable display resolution that screencast creators can agree to standardize on. Previously the gst08 based istanbul would drop frames like mad if the encoding wasn't fast enough to handle the display resolution so you had to be careful when choosing frame-rate based on your screen resolution and your cpu/memory resources. I doubt that has been completely addressed... but we will see. -jef"does this need to be re-broadcasted to the -docs list or are screencasts too fancy for those bookwormy docs people?"spaleta From fhornain at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 09:15:19 2006 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:15:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <556f970a0608311652y1a1b9598s9591fae305e9787c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0608311652y1a1b9598s9591fae305e9787c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0609010215q679ad1dtb6276bd514bee497@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Well, I agree that the word alpha used by Red Hat CTO Brian Stevens was not the best choice to describe Fedora. However, the fact is for non Open-Source user - that is to say Ms Windows users - it is quite difficult to understand the mechanism used by Red Hat or other open source organization to deliver their Operating system or softwares without using theirs vocabulary. I mean it is like using the word daemons instead of services or modules instead of drivers during a conversation with a Ms Windows user. I am pretty sure after few minutes he will believe you come from another planet. :) You see the problem ? So I could understand the utilization of this term. Nonetheless I admit the Red Hat CTO should have to refuse to use the word of Alpha for Fedora in explaining how works Open source and in that case the Alpha word could not apply. For my part, this is what I tell to people who ask me the difference between Red Hat and Fedora. The fact is that Fedora Linux distribution is working very very well and I can prove it. In addition a lot of peoples, organization, governments, companies, are interested to use it. However in order to be in accordance with the business world Fedora have to offer a strong support. Thing that Fedora can not. And that is reason why Red Hat is there. To conclude, I think that we should not hesitate to add explaination, examples when we are using technical words in order to avoid misunderstanding. Best Regards Fred On 9/1/06, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > > > > On 8/31/06, Rahul wrote: > > > I would read encourage everyone to read the full interview instead of > > choice quotes. > > > Super. All we have to do is make sure the 100M people on the Internet do > likewise. It's probably easier to make sure this mindset changes. Then when > you're put on the spot in a live interview, you know what terminology to > use. > > --jeremy > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 1 17:37:53 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:07:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Taking Fedora Core 6 Test 2 for a Live-Spin Message-ID: <44F86FF1.2010301@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/9309 Minor quibbles which are normal for a development snapshot. Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 2 09:10:39 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:10:39 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Gathering people for Fedora Free Media Message-ID: <1157188239.16511.10.camel@redhat> Hi, I would like to inform I have announced at www.fedora.pl (Polish Site and Support Forum) about the Fedora Free Media Project. I have explained how it works and informed how to contact me for people who would be interested in helping, as the help would be very valuable for the Fedora Project. I hope there will be at least few people willing. If so, I would create Free Media Program Poland, similarly to Free Media Program Brazil and India. There are many requests from Poland, so it would be very helpful if there were more contributors involved. In this way we could fulfill more requests, who knows - maybe all of them :) I hope I will gather some peope and we will together help in spreading Fedora :) Regards, Pawel Sadowski From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 2 12:24:46 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:54:46 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] Taking Fedora Core 6 Test 2 for a Live-Spin In-Reply-To: <44F91CEC.90706@redhat.com> References: <44F86FF1.2010301@fedoraproject.org> <44F91CEC.90706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44F9780E.2010305@fedoraproject.org> David Ash wrote: > Rahul wrote: >> Hi >> >> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/9309 >> >> Minor quibbles which are normal for a development snapshot. > > Are these live dvd's installation media aswell? > Regards > Dash > No. Rahul From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 18:05:57 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:35:57 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <1157060281.18320.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1fa01fe80608311521o48d78496r51b825cc35c836ac@mail.gmail.com> <44F763CC.7010304@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910608311618l3e203186m4662d56368b5b353@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 19:50 -0400, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > I just don't se why they can't acknowledge that Fedora is great, which > makes RHEL even greater. They way I see it, RHEL is just a way for Red Hat to get some money, so they can invest it into improving Fedora. In any case, I object to the quoted statement. What's so great about RHEL anyway, that it is greater than fedora? --T From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 2 19:06:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:36:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <1157060281.18320.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1fa01fe80608311521o48d78496r51b825cc35c836ac@mail.gmail.com> <44F763CC.7010304@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910608311618l3e203186m4662d56368b5b353@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> Message-ID: <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 19:50 -0400, Jeremy Hogan wrote: >> I just don't se why they can't acknowledge that Fedora is great, which >> makes RHEL even greater. > > They way I see it, > > RHEL is just a way for Red Hat to get some money, so they can invest it > into improving Fedora. > > In any case, I object to the quoted statement. > > What's so great about RHEL anyway, that it is greater than fedora? > > --T > What's so great about an apple that makes it greater than a orange sort of question. I dont think thats the argument presented anywhere. RHEL is better suited for a certain class of people and industries who want a longer lifecycle, support agreements among other benefits. Obviously if Red Hat thought that RHEL is always greater than Fedora, it wouldnt be investing anything in Fedora at all. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sat Sep 2 19:14:35 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:14:35 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <1157060281.18320.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1fa01fe80608311521o48d78496r51b825cc35c836ac@mail.gmail.com> <44F763CC.7010304@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910608311618l3e203186m4662d56368b5b353@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1157224476.29839.0.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 03 septembre 2006 ? 00:36 +0530, Rahul a ?crit : > What's so great about an apple that makes it greater than a orange sort > of question. Well an orange is a gold(en) apple so obviously it's greater -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a grand occasion for the upcoming fedora core 6. -- Leon From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 20:05:43 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leon) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote: > Hi > > > http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html > > Rahul > What a poor review this is! I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core. But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you can find what's new in FC6. -- Leon From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 20:10:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leon) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:10:22 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Gathering people for Fedora Free Media References: <1157188239.16511.10.camel@redhat> Message-ID: On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:10:39 +0200, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to inform I have announced at www.fedora.pl (Polish Site > and Support Forum) about the Fedora Free Media Project. I have explained > how it works and informed how to contact me for people who would be > interested in helping, as the help would be very valuable for the Fedora > Project. I hope there will be at least few people willing. If so, I > would create Free Media Program Poland, similarly to Free Media Program > Brazil and India. There are many requests from Poland, so it would be > very helpful if there were more contributors involved. In this way we > could fulfill more requests, who knows - maybe all of them :) I hope I > will gather some peope and we will together help in spreading Fedora :) > > Regards, > Pawel Sadowski > This is a wonderful thing for fedora project! Could you say more on how people can get involved? thanks, -- Leon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 2 21:19:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:49:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review In-Reply-To: References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> Leon wrote: > On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote: > >> Hi >> >> >> http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html >> >> Rahul >> > > What a poor review this is! > > I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core. > > But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you > can find what's new in FC6. > Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in progress development version? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 2 21:20:50 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:50:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Gathering people for Fedora Free Media In-Reply-To: References: <1157188239.16511.10.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <44F9F5B2.7020700@fedoraproject.org> Leon wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:10:39 +0200, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would like to inform I have announced at www.fedora.pl (Polish Site >> and Support Forum) about the Fedora Free Media Project. I have explained >> how it works and informed how to contact me for people who would be >> interested in helping, as the help would be very valuable for the Fedora >> Project. I hope there will be at least few people willing. If so, I >> would create Free Media Program Poland, similarly to Free Media Program >> Brazil and India. There are many requests from Poland, so it would be >> very helpful if there were more contributors involved. In this way we >> could fulfill more requests, who knows - maybe all of them :) I hope I >> will gather some peope and we will together help in spreading Fedora :) >> >> Regards, >> Pawel Sadowski >> > > This is a wonderful thing for fedora project! > > Could you say more on how people can get involved? > > thanks, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Contributors Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 02:55:13 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:55:13 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <1157060281.18320.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1fa01fe80608311521o48d78496r51b825cc35c836ac@mail.gmail.com> <44F763CC.7010304@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910608311618l3e203186m4662d56368b5b353@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910609021955r9b4304w6ef05dc3328893b6@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/06, Rahul wrote: > What's so great about an apple that makes it greater than a orange sort > of question. I hate apple and oranges analogies... too over-used. In the case of Fedora and RHEL, I would suggest there is a stronger rhetorical question to pose to people so they can gain a deeper, zen-like (of is it xen-like) understanding of the relationship between the project and the product. That question is 'which is better, green or black tea?' Both green and black tea come from the leaves of the same plant, the same sources if you will, but are proceessed in a different manner and cultivate a different taste. -jef"me sits backs to watch the fireworks as the tea snobs p\ck over his analog and come to blows over the question of which type of tea is morally superior"spaleta From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Sep 3 03:18:36 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910609021955r9b4304w6ef05dc3328893b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <44F74D7D.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <1157060281.18320.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1fa01fe80608311521o48d78496r51b825cc35c836ac@mail.gmail.com> <44F763CC.7010304@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910608311618l3e203186m4662d56368b5b353@mail.gmail.com> <556f970a0608311650i2653927cj6f7294521d01ab26@mail.gmail.com> <1157220357.2181.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> <44F9D61E.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910609021955r9b4304w6ef05dc3328893b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157253516.19036.0.camel@ender> On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 18:55 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > In the case of Fedora and RHEL, I would suggest there is a stronger > rhetorical question to pose to people so they can gain a deeper, > zen-like (of is it xen-like) understanding of the relationship > between the project and the product. That question is 'which is > better, green or black tea?' Both green and black tea come from the > leaves of the same plant, the same sources if you will, but are > proceessed in a different manner and cultivate a different taste. > Wouldn't that be white or black tea? White tea is picked while still young, black tea, much later.... (: -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 06:42:13 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] As seen on slashdot and linunxdevices.... linux home entertainment computer which claims to run fc5. Message-ID: <604aa7910609022342j28f12b8fxc0d3ab8730f21eac@mail.gmail.com> Is it appropriate for this company to be advertising this as a fedora core 5 install.. when what they are offering is a mondo based recovery image of a customized install which inccorporates software from outside of the fedora project, including proprietary drivers? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6365551074.html http://www.lixsystems.net/lix/product_files/LX8100-939BB-A8NVN/installCD/Lx8100-939BB-A8NVN_InstallCD.htm -jef From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 07:08:22 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:38:22 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] As seen on slashdot and linunxdevices.... linux home entertainment computer which claims to run fc5. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910609022342j28f12b8fxc0d3ab8730f21eac@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910609022342j28f12b8fxc0d3ab8730f21eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157267302.11034.3.camel@dragon.gja.in> On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 22:42 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6365551074.html This one's ok, they clearly say fedora-5 BASED install > http://www.lixsystems.net/lix/product_files/LX8100-939BB-A8NVN/installCD/Lx8100-939BB-A8NVN_InstallCD.htm This one's got more shady wordings... probably legally bad... for them :p > -jef isn't something missing here? :p -t From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 3 11:02:01 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:02:01 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-freemedia-list] Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Gathering people for Fedora Free Media In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0609021157s3ff6e53bp51fe53ab50d33f42@mail.gmail.com> References: <1157188239.16511.10.camel@redhat> <369bce3b0609021157s3ff6e53bp51fe53ab50d33f42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157281321.3397.25.camel@redhat> On 02-09-2006, sun at 11:57 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 9/2/06, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to inform I have announced at www.fedora.pl (Polish Site > > and Support Forum) about the Fedora Free Media Project. I have explained > > how it works and informed how to contact me for people who would be > > interested in helping, as the help would be very valuable for the Fedora > > Project. I hope there will be at least few people willing. If so, I > > would create Free Media Program Poland, similarly to Free Media Program > > Brazil and India. There are many requests from Poland, so it would be > > very helpful if there were more contributors involved. In this way we > > could fulfill more requests, who knows - maybe all of them :) I hope I > > will gather some peope and we will together help in spreading Fedora :) > > > > Regards, > > Pawel Sadowski > > Pawel, > You're now officially the coordinator for FreeMedia Program Poland. > Please maintain following wiki site: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Poland Ok, thanks ;) Regards, Pawel From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 12:13:42 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leon) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:13:42 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 02/09/06 22:19 +0100, Rahul wrote: > Leon wrote: >> On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote: >> >>> Hi > >>> >>> >>> http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html >>> >>> Rahul >>> >> >> What a poor review this is! >> >> I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core. >> >> But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you >> can find what's new in FC6. >> > > Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in > progress development version? > > Rahul > No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search or whatever) future release info. In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in Fedora core 6" extracted from this page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary and form the latest news without preview text it might be better. When I first started using GNU/Linux in 2002, people around me wound recommend redhat. Nowadays, it's completely different. -- Leon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 3 16:00:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:30:58 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review In-Reply-To: References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> Leon wrote: >>> >> Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in >> progress development version? >> >> Rahul >> > > No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search > or whatever) future release info. > What would you suggest the page be named as? > In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in Fedora > core 6" extracted from this page > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary > > and form the latest news without preview text it might be better. Do you mean fedora weekly news here? Rahul From poligraph at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 14:53:47 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:53:47 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. Message-ID: <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, according this link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#head-41079f9fc02577ae19f7a5ac4943067b91222298 i should introduce myself. " # Join the mailing list and introduce yourself. * This helps us to know who wants to contribute, and gives us the opportunity to know each person's strengths and learn how we can coordinate with you. " My name is Konstantin Burtsev. I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, HP-UX and AIX). My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. -- Best regards, Konstantin From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 6 15:00:55 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:00:55 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609060800s4b4ecc2et99e31c24f899114f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > My name is Konstantin Burtsev. > I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. > I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. > The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our > country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). > I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. > I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, > HP-UX and AIX). > My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. Hello Konstantin, Nice to see movement in Belarus. you can actually become a Fedora Ambassador with such a profile :) see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Cheers, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 6 15:05:04 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:35:04 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FEE3A0.803@fedoraproject.org> Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > My name is Konstantin Burtsev. > I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. > I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. > The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our > country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). > I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. > I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, > HP-UX and AIX). > My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. > Hi, Welcome to the team. Russia seems to be underrepresented in our translation and ambassador projects currently. I guess you could help in translation of user interface, documentation etc to Russian if you arent involved in that already and join our ambassadors project to help promote and get more contributors involved in Fedora. Thanks. Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 19:45:59 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leon) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:45:59 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 09/03/2006 17:00 +0100, Rahul wrote: > Leon wrote: > >>>> >>> Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in >>> progress development version? >>> >>> Rahul >>> >> >> No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search >> or whatever) future release info. >> > > What would you suggest the page be named as? I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to find information about the next release and I don't think the front page address this enough. > > >> In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in Fedora >> core 6" extracted from this page >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary >> >> and form the latest news without preview text it might be better. > > > Do you mean fedora weekly news here? I mean the latest News in the front page. Weekly news is hosted in another site, isn't it? Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly. -- Leon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 6 19:54:08 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:24:08 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review In-Reply-To: References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44FF2760.1050400@fedoraproject.org> Leon wrote: >>> >> What would you suggest the page be named as? > > I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this > question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to > find information about the next release and I don't think the front > page address this enough. I already wrote a release summary but it is not complete. Many things are still being updated in the development tree. So we cant list the complete set of features. We might disable features if they dont work properly or get additional ones before the general release based on developer time, feedback etc. You want me to put the release summary in the news section even thought its incomplete? If you want to write something new, feel free to. > > Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly. Can you help? Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Sep 6 20:12:51 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:12:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage (was: Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review) In-Reply-To: <44FF2760.1050400@fedoraproject.org> References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> <44FF2760.1050400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <44FF2BC3.2080301@glezos.com> O/H Rahul ??????: > Leon wrote: > >>>> >>> What would you suggest the page be named as? >> >> I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this >> question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to >> find information about the next release and I don't think the front >> page address this enough. > > I already wrote a release summary but it is not complete. Many things > are still being updated in the development tree. So we cant list the > complete set of features. We might disable features if they dont work > properly or get additional ones before the general release based on > developer time, feedback etc. You want me to put the release summary > in the news section even thought its incomplete? If you want to write > something new, feel free to. We could consider though including something "lighter" than the actual release summary, right? It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently cooking". GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's release notes: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might get even burnt. =) I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users to expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could start with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are released become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty solid. -dim > >> >> Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly. > > Can you help? > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Sep 6 20:54:06 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] RH making fun of us ? In-Reply-To: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> References: <1157056368.31667.24.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Did I miss something, or RH CTO has problem with Fedora first Myth ? > > http://ipcommunications.tmcnet.com/news/2006/08/25/195490.htm?p=ica > > "We're convinced that there is a better way to develop software, so what > we did is we blew up the notion of an Alpha and we use Fedora as an > alpha." > > What about Spevack 8th question in his interview on /.? I was out of town all weekend, and I've just gotten to this email list. Everyone up-thread has responded adequately. I just wanted you all to know that I read everything, and that as Rahul and Paul and Rex said, I made a lot of people within Red Hat know that I was unhappy with the choice of wording. We just need to keep doing what we do. People will always say incorrect things, and when they do, we'll correct them. It's good to be frustrated, because that shows that we care, but all we can do is deal with it and hope that it doesn't happen again from the same people. :-) --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 6 21:32:10 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:02:10 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage In-Reply-To: <44FF2BC3.2080301@glezos.com> References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> <44FF2760.1050400@fedoraproject.org> <44FF2BC3.2080301@glezos.com> Message-ID: <44FF3E5A.9070204@fedoraproject.org> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > We could consider though including something "lighter" than the actual release > summary, right? In the front page before the release is made? I have planned it long back but I havent had much help from anyone here before when I asked. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6LaunchMediaPlan. > > It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently cooking". > GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's release notes: > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html > > Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might get > even burnt. =) We frequently dont have much information about the next release but I dont mind listing a few things that we things we are about to do. For FC7, Reducing the size of Fedora Core. KDE in Extra among other things. Network Manager by default Unifying Core and Extras repository {insert other plans here} > > I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users to > expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could start > with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are released > become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty solid. > > -dim After test3 release yes but Leon's complaint as I understand it was that we dont have any information about FC6 *right now* in the frontpage which is think might be a bit premature. Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Sep 7 00:54:12 2006 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:54:12 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage References: <44F9DE31.2050404@fedoraproject.org> <44F9F549.6030402@fedoraproject.org> <44FAFC3A.7000906@fedoraproject.org> <44FF2760.1050400@fedoraproject.org><44FF2BC3.2080301@glezos.com> <44FF3E5A.9070204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <004401c6d218$22f816d0$0201a8c0@strikeforce> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul" To: ; "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base" Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage > Dimitris Glezos wrote: > >> We could consider though including something "lighter" than the actual >> release >> summary, right? > > In the front page before the release is made? I have planned it long back > but I havent had much help from anyone here before when I asked. See > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6LaunchMediaPlan. > >> >> It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently >> cooking". >> GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's >> release notes: >> >> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html >> >> Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might >> get >> even burnt. =) > > We frequently dont have much information about the next release but I dont > mind listing a few things that we things we are about to do. For FC7, > > Reducing the size of Fedora Core. KDE in Extra among other things. > Network Manager by default > Unifying Core and Extras repository > {insert other plans here} > >> >> I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users >> to >> expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could >> start >> with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are >> released >> become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty >> solid. >> >> -dim > > After test3 release yes but Leon's complaint as I understand it was that > we dont have any information about FC6 *right now* in the frontpage which > is think might be a bit premature. > > Rahul > I actually agree with the whats cooking concept. It would be good to get feedback from the devs and or ask them or someone from them to post up what they expect to be in say the next release then a future future release. Something that is getting worked on for FC6 and something thats hopefully going to make it to FC7. At the top of the page we should put in big bold letters THIS IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE IN. As was said. I still think we will get people saying why wasn't this or that in there. I think in creating a page and linking it to the front we can get people to see where fedora is going. The complaints about Fedora are being heard and are being addressed. These aren't specific package bugs but conceptual bugs. E.g. Fedora is to big and bulky. Well in the future we are planning on reducing the size of it. Things like that show that the devs are hearing the voices. I remember Rahul getting berated on the fedora_users list because someone kept saying why does RH not listen to us and obviously they wanted changes in Fedora which had not happened. I'm not to sure what it was regarding cause soon after I left cause it deteriorated into an underlying issue which had nothing to do with Fedora, one of the answers that was said was well you can get involved. Which I agree with. However the point of that is people don't know whether the devs know what the complaints are. Not bug specific but feature specific. I feel that a lot of the time the devs do hear what people say however they can't or choose not to communicate that back to the users and this page I feel would aide in that. However some of the complaints that I had without posting or saying anything are getting dealt with and while it was a pleasant surprise I would have liked to know what potentially is going to happen in the future. This also helps people with changes that are going to cause potential issues. SELinux, Hal originally I had huge number of issues with it. Mainly due to me stuffing things up and manually adding mounts in fstab the usual. While I have no doubt SELinux was a significant step forward there seemed to have very little info about it at the time. Since then its improved immensely which is great however it would have been nice to see it ahead of time again. I'm sorry if this seems way to long I just wanted to put some suggestions forward unfortunately I personally don't have the time to help specifically with it due to University contributing a significant work load to me. Regards, Marc From poligraph at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 10:10:46 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:10:46 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Thanks you all. Message-ID: <71d21e830609070310n1a11c2ecg81f6081eb6ea8b5a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks you. Today I started joining "Ambassadors Project" Rahul, I think I can help in translation. On 9/6/06, fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. (Konstantin Burtsev) > 2. Re: I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. (Chitlesh GOORAH) > 3. Re: I want to contribute Fedora Core on Belarus. (Rahul) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:53:47 +0300 > From: "Konstantin Burtsev" > Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core on > Belarus. > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <71d21e830609060753n5859a3e2j85f679fba9a21128 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, according this link > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#head-41079f9fc02577ae19f7a5ac4943067b91222298 > i should introduce myself. > > " > # > > Join the mailing list and introduce yourself. > > * > > This helps us to know who wants to contribute, and gives us the > opportunity to know each person's strengths and learn how we can > coordinate with you. > > > " > > My name is Konstantin Burtsev. > I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. > I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. > The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our > country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). > I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. > I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, > HP-UX and AIX). > My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. > > -- > Best regards, > Konstantin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:00:55 +0200 > From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" > Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core > on Belarus. > To: "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base" > > Message-ID: > <13dbfe4f0609060800s4b4ecc2et99e31c24f899114f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/6/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > My name is Konstantin Burtsev. > > I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. > > I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. > > The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our > > country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). > > I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. > > I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, > > HP-UX and AIX). > > My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. > > > Hello Konstantin, > > Nice to see movement in Belarus. > > you can actually become a Fedora Ambassador with such a profile :) > see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > > Cheers, > Chitlesh > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:35:04 +0530 > From: Rahul > Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] I want to contribute Fedora Core > on Belarus. > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <44FEE3A0.803 at fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > My name is Konstantin Burtsev. > > I am 21 years old and work with linux from Red Hat Linux 7.3. > > I started record Fedora Core from version 2 for my friends. > > The latest release of Fedora was shipped to many people accross our > > country(approx 15 i386 DVDs and 10 x86_64 DVDs). > > I am use Fedora Core 5 x86_64 on my laptop. > > I am work with many distribution of Unix system (Solaris, Linux86, > > HP-UX and AIX). > > My timezone is GMT +2 and native language russian and belarussian. > > > > Hi, > > Welcome to the team. Russia seems to be underrepresented in our > translation and ambassador projects currently. I guess you could help > in translation of user interface, documentation etc to Russian if you > arent involved in that already and join our ambassadors project to help > promote and get more contributors involved in Fedora. Thanks. > > > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 > **************************************************** > -- ? ?????????, ??????????. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 8 11:06:08 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:36:08 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core section on PolishLinux.org - help needed Message-ID: <45014EA0.1040108@fedoraproject.org> Hi Maybe one of the people here can help out. http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=123645 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 12 16:49:14 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:19:14 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 Message-ID: <4506E50A.8030008@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2163965/fedora-strengthens Roger Klorese, product director at XenSource, the company behind the open-source Xen software project, told IT Week, ?We decided to synchronise the release of 3.0.3 with the Fedora Core 6 schedule and hence push it back... It now has several of the features that were originally slated for 3.0.4.? Rahul From chasd at silveroaks.com Wed Sep 13 17:08:02 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <20060913160009.3D1347308E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060913160009.3D1347308E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> > From: Rahul > http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2163965/fedora-strengthens Quote from article: " Red Hat is preparing to release version 6 of its free Fedora Core Linux operating system next month. " Does Red Hat release Fedora, or the Fedora Project ? Or some other "Fedora-foo" entity ? If the entity releasing Fedora is not Red Hat, is it a distinction worth reminding individuals in the media about ? Also, the link provided for "Fedora Core Linux operating system" is to instead of the preferred . ( I know the URL issue is a prolonged pain, to be fixed RSN ) Charles Dostale From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Sep 13 17:24:11 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:24:11 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> References: <20060913160009.3D1347308E@hormel.redhat.com> <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <45083EBB.2060003@glezos.com> O/H chasd at silveroaks.com ??????: > Also, the link provided for "Fedora Core Linux operating system" is to > instead of the preferred > . > ( I know the URL issue is a prolonged pain, to be fixed RSN ) Shouldn't we avoid including "wiki" in the preferred Fedora Project URL? For now, the preferred CMS is the wiki, but at some point we could use something else. As for the issue, I agree we should keep reminding the media that Fedora Project is releasing Fedora Core. -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Sep 13 17:32:44 2006 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 References: <20060913160009.3D1347308E@hormel.redhat.com> <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: >> From: Rahul >> http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2163965/fedora-strengthens > Quote from article: > " Red Hat is preparing to release version 6 of its free Fedora Core > Linux operating system next month. " > Does Red Hat release Fedora, or the Fedora Project ? (imnsho) Fedora Project. > Also, the link provided for "Fedora Core Linux operating system" is to > instead of the preferred > . The latter should have been used. The former *really* needs to go away, the sooner the better. -- Rex From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 13 19:40:09 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:10:09 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> References: <20060913160009.3D1347308E@hormel.redhat.com> <87e1f719db69dd39494fa318d3768ab5@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <45085E99.6000702@fedoraproject.org> chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: >> From: Rahul > >> http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2163965/fedora-strengthens > > Quote from article: > > " Red Hat is preparing to release version 6 of its free Fedora Core > Linux operating system next month. " > > Does Red Hat release Fedora, or the Fedora Project ? > Or some other "Fedora-foo" entity ? > If the entity releasing Fedora is not Red Hat, is it a distinction worth > reminding individuals in the media about ? Fedora Project but currently the "release" is just Fedora Core and doesnt include Fedora Extras. So realistically that's just Red Hat doing all the release management work. > > Also, the link provided for "Fedora Core Linux operating system" is to > instead of the preferred > . > ( I know the URL issue is a prolonged pain, to be fixed RSN ) > Yep. That can only be solved by redirecting f.r.c when we get the remaining issues resolved. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 13 23:05:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:35:58 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] PowerPC Cell Chip Gets Fedora Linux Support Message-ID: <45088ED6.8050503@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb091206-story07.html http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20060912232519.html "IBM BladeCenter QS20 is based on two 3.20GHz Cell processors with 512KB cache per Cell BE chip and 256KB cache for every core of the Cell BE central processing unit. The default configuration of the system includes 1GB of memory (512MB per chip), 40GB hard disk drive, dual Gigabit Ethernet as well as 1 or 2 PCI Express Infiniband adapters. IBM recommends using Fedora core 5-based operating systems with the BladeCenter QS20." Rahul From chasd at silveroaks.com Thu Sep 14 16:49:54 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <20060914160008.C878E732EC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060914160008.C878E732EC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >> chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: >> Does Red Hat release Fedora, or the Fedora Project ? >> Or some other "Fedora-foo" entity ? >> If the entity releasing Fedora is not Red Hat, is it a distinction >> worth >> reminding individuals in the media about ? > Rahul wrote: > Fedora Project but currently the "release" is just Fedora Core and > doesnt include Fedora Extras. My bad, in a message speaking to the accuracy of terminology, I incorrectly referred to "Fedora Core" as "Fedora" - confusing the issue. Sorry. Not to belabor the point, but would the Fedora Community "release" Fedora Extras, or would that effort be better considered under the Fedora Project umbrella ? > So realistically that's just Red Hat doing > all the release management work. So the article was correct stating Red Hat releases Fedora Core ? To me, it is more correct to say Red Hat engineers as part of the Fedora Community play a staggeringly large role in the release of Fedora Core. I suppose for simplicity's sake, just saying Red Hat isn't far off. However I think that simple statement re-enforces a general perception that the Fedora Project seems to keep fighting. I think that outside of the Fedora Community, the following statements might be viewed as true: Red Hat = Fedora Core Red Hat = Fedora Project The first is false in my mind ( and comparing different types ) while the second would be more accurate with a tilde above the equal sign; it is not _completely_ true. Or maybe my glasses need cleaning, and I'm not seeing things straight ;) Using consistent terms when discussing the distribution and the entities involved is important to outside perception. Getting reviewers and other individuals in the media to use the consistent terms is part of guiding that perception in the desired direction. Getting random posters on Slashdot to use the consistent terms is a pipe dream ;) Charles Dostale From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 14 17:19:10 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:49:10 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20060914160008.C878E732EC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45098F0E.1040603@fedoraproject.org> chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: > > My bad, in a message speaking to the accuracy of terminology, I > incorrectly referred to "Fedora Core" as "Fedora" - confusing the issue. > Sorry. > > Not to belabor the point, but would the Fedora Community "release" > Fedora Extras, or would that effort be better considered under the > Fedora Project umbrella ? The latter. The community consists of both users and contributors. Only the contributors are involved in the release. Hence a release is from the "Fedora Project". > >> So realistically that's just Red Hat doing >> all the release management work. > > So the article was correct stating Red Hat releases Fedora Core ? It's not grossly inaccurate at this point. We would prefer that they say that Fedora Project did the release however. > To me, it is more correct to say Red Hat engineers as part of the Fedora > Community play a staggeringly large role in the release of Fedora Core. > I suppose for simplicity's sake, just saying Red Hat isn't far off. > However I think that simple statement re-enforces a general perception > that the Fedora Project seems to keep fighting. We have to point out that there is a difference. Our official announcements and press releases always use and emphasize consistent terms for this reason. > > I think that outside of the Fedora Community, the following statements > might be viewed as true: > > Red Hat = Fedora Core > Red Hat = Fedora Project > > The first is false in my mind ( and comparing different types ) while > the second would be more accurate with a tilde above the equal sign; it > is not _completely_ true. > Or maybe my glasses need cleaning, and I'm not seeing things straight ;) It goes both ways. There are also people surprised at the news that Red Hat is involved in the project at all. See ambassadors list for some event reports which match my own experiences speaking at events or discussing with people there. I still remember the big ruffle when Alan Cox wearing a big Red Fedora booted up Fedora Core to do a keynote presentation about contributing to Free software in the foss.in event last year with everyone around me wondering loudly what has Red Hat doing with Fedora. It kind of swings from one end to another time to time depending on what people want. Some end users worry that without the commercial backing Fedora wouldnt be moving ahead as fast or feature rich as it does while others worry that it isnt a community project when one organization is involved to this extend. > > Using consistent terms when discussing the distribution and the entities > involved is important to outside perception. > Getting reviewers and other individuals in the media to use the > consistent terms is part of guiding that perception in the desired > direction. > > Getting random posters on Slashdot to use the consistent terms is a pipe > dream ;) > Sure. Feel free to send a note to reporters when they use incorrect terminology. Rahul From poligraph at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 13:55:21 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:55:21 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership Message-ID: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> Hi, All. I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done group first." But I have next box Existing memberships Show all Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? -- Best regards, Konstantin Burtsev _______________________ Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 Mail: poligraph at gmail.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 14:01:50 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:01:50 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) Cheers, a On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > Hi, All. > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > group first." > > But I have next box > Existing memberships > Show all > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > -- > Best regards, > Konstantin Burtsev > _______________________ > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From poligraph at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 14:25:30 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:25:30 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> Alex, I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > Cheers, > a > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > Hi, All. > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > group first." > > > > But I have next box > > Existing memberships > > Show all > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Konstantin Burtsev > > _______________________ > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Alex Maier > http://amaier.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Best regards, Konstantin Burtsev _______________________ Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 Mail: poligraph at gmail.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 14:49:45 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> Everybody who wants to be a member of the Fedora Accounts System needs to sign a CLA -- and everyone who has done so, gets a cla-done status. Please get in touch with ThomasChung for help. Cheers, a On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > Alex, > I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > Hi, All. > > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > > group first." > > > > > > But I have next box > > > Existing memberships > > > Show all > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > _______________________ > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alex Maier > > http://amaier.net > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Konstantin Burtsev > _______________________ > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From poligraph at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 15:00:25 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:00:25 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> Does next string Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded mean that cla applyed in Fedora Account System? What is the " In progress" field ? On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Everybody who wants to be a member of the Fedora Accounts System needs > to sign a CLA -- and everyone who has done so, gets a cla-done status. > > Please get in touch with ThomasChung for help. > > Cheers, > a > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > Alex, > > I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > > > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > a > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > Hi, All. > > > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > > > group first." > > > > > > > > But I have next box > > > > Existing memberships > > > > Show all > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > _______________________ > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alex Maier > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Konstantin Burtsev > > _______________________ > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Alex Maier > http://amaier.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Best regards, Konstantin Burtsev _______________________ Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 Mail: poligraph at gmail.com From chasd at silveroaks.com Fri Sep 15 17:06:30 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:30 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora 6 to strengthen virtualisation features with Xen 3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <20060915160009.71C2973531@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060915160009.71C2973531@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <14d470813e9d35b25c41654f52149bf4@silveroaks.com> Thanks Rahul for the clarifications and the perspective that some people are unaware that Red Hat is involved in Fedora Core. Charles Dostale From rino.mardo at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 10:33:00 2006 From: rino.mardo at gmail.com (Rino Mardo) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:33:00 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'm in the same situation as you are and according to Thomas there's a problem with the mailer. I supposed you didn't received any replies once you have signed and submitted the CLA? On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > Does next string > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role > Status Sponsor > cla_done kburtsev None user > In progress Unneeded > > mean that cla applyed in Fedora Account System? > What is the " In progress" field ? > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Everybody who wants to be a member of the Fedora Accounts System needs > > to sign a CLA -- and everyone who has done so, gets a cla-done status. > > > > Please get in touch with ThomasChung for help. > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > Alex, > > > I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > > > > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > a > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > > Hi, All. > > > > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > > > > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > > > > group first." > > > > > > > > > > But I have next box > > > > > Existing memberships > > > > > Show all > > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > > > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > > > > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > > _______________________ > > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Alex Maier > > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > _______________________ > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alex Maier > > http://amaier.net > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Konstantin Burtsev > _______________________ > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFAEAmpbTFgaOypuIRAoGQAJ46z+/3TbGICertstfPqLq5I4EosgCfdfbT IOrODfT4Fd/dC2tQi681A74= =Y4x1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Registered Debian Linux user #93359 From lxmaier at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 11:42:50 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:42:50 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270609160442i5c89cb29ne2f2f537fc70681c@mail.gmail.com> If any of the members of this list have problems with their Fedora Account, please make sure you have followed all of the following steps correctly: Have you followed CLA Howto[1]? If you followed all the steps properly and you still can't complete the CLA, please contact Patrick Barnes[2] with Fedora Infrastructure. Once CLA issue is resolved, Thomas Chung can help you to complete Ambassadors membership[3] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PatrickBarnes [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService Cheers, a On 9/16/06, Rino Mardo wrote: > Hello, I'm in the same situation as you are and according to Thomas > there's a problem with the mailer. I supposed you didn't received any > replies once you have signed and submitted the CLA? > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > Does next string > > > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role > > Status Sponsor > > cla_done kburtsev None user > > In progress Unneeded > > > > mean that cla applyed in Fedora Account System? > > What is the " In progress" field ? > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > Everybody who wants to be a member of the Fedora Accounts System needs > > > to sign a CLA -- and everyone who has done so, gets a cla-done status. > > > > > > Please get in touch with ThomasChung for help. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > a > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > Alex, > > > > I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > > > > > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > > > Hi, All. > > > > > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > > > > > > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > > > > > group first." > > > > > > > > > > > > But I have next box > > > > > > Existing memberships > > > > > > Show all > > > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > > > > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > > > > > > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > > > _______________________ > > > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Alex Maier > > > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > _______________________ > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alex Maier > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Konstantin Burtsev > > _______________________ > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBFAEAmpbTFgaOypuIRAoGQAJ46z+/3TbGICertstfPqLq5I4EosgCfdfbT > IOrODfT4Fd/dC2tQi681A74= > =Y4x1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Registered Debian Linux user #93359 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From gerold at lugd.org Sun Sep 17 08:39:07 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:39:07 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Raleigh, we have a problem ... Message-ID: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> Hi all, as you all can see and read in http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5816278551.html we are ranged behind all other ... What should / can / must we do, to get more acceptance on the user-side? Do we need a strengh marketing concept? -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From sgk284 at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 17:12:10 2006 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:12:10 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Raleigh, we have a problem ... In-Reply-To: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> References: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80609171012h16f46727o91d6386ff25968f8@mail.gmail.com> While it'd be nice if we had more user awareness about such polls, I wouldn't read too much into the results. It is based on 14,500 votes, which while being a large number, isn't necessarily representative of the whole linux community. It'd make good publicity for Fedora to be ranked higher, but I don't think this is a user-side issue. It is probably either a "Fedora users don't read desktoplinux" problem (I know I don't, and I'm a huge geek), or a "Fedora users weren't made aware of the poll" issue. Sometimes other distributions put links into their forums and stuff to polls like this. So I guess it comes down to, should we be more vocal about announcing polls that Fedora is in, i.e. putting a link on the front page of FedoraProject.org and Fedora forums, or should we just let nature take its course and let Fedora users stumble onto the polls themselves. The only thing I see wrong with the first option is that I can already see a headline on Digg with something like "Fedora skews poll results by pushing users to vote for them", which could backfire on us. 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In-Reply-To: <50732.203.173.154.142.1158484926.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> References: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> <50732.203.173.154.142.1158484926.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <450E3583.1050202@fedoraproject.org> Michael J. Knox wrote: > IMHO Fedora shouldn't go out of its way to make adding perfectly legal > packages, to its distribution, a black-art, undocumented nightmare for a > new user... Advising users on how to get MP3 support should not be > considered a cardinal sin. Heck, Fedora pushing xorg 7.1 was halted as to > not break Nvida and Ati driver users! Talk about mixed messages. The Xorg update was not halted for this reason. Just ask the Xorg maintainer if you are not sure. We dont go out of our way to make anything a black art either. Lets stop the silly conspiracy theories and unfounded claims. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 18 07:10:07 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:40:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Raleigh, we have a problem ... In-Reply-To: <450E4051.6060400@knox.net.nz> References: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> <50732.203.173.154.142.1158484926.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <450E3583.1050202@fedoraproject.org> <450E4051.6060400@knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <450E464F.30409@fedoraproject.org> Michael J. Knox wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > Not a conspiracy theory at all, I was in IRC chatting with Mike Harris > chatting about this subject, I was there reading the fedora-devel@ > mailing lists. I am nor blind nor stupid. To state that I am spreading a > "conspiracy theory" is crap. Thanks Rahul. The conspiracy theory is that we are making things deliberately a black art which is not true at all. > > Basically "The conclusion was that the interests of Fedora users using > proprietary NVidia modules outweigh the interests of other users who > would benefit from this update."[1] Amazingly bad conclusion. So much for a detailed explanation of the process. We might as well as have not discussed this issue and conveyed the ideas better. What instead happened was that at the time we were discussing this issue, the Xorg maintainer happened to Ajax and he had no intention on his own to provide a update and we decided that we need to have a general update policy and until then the updates would be a maintainer's decision. > > I was also there when everyone was berating Eric S. Raymond for the mere > suggestion of RedHat making it easier for end users to add MP3 and DVD > support. The sheer notation of doing so, left the fedora-devel mailing > looking like a kindergarden play yard (not too mention IRC).Fedora's > attitude towards those that do need 3rd party, non-distributable or > non-free, is doing it damage. I am just telling you how it is out there, > out side your little RedHat office.... First, lets stop with belittling other people. My Fedora work has nothing to do with Red Hat. I have been involved with Fedora much before I joined Red Hat so what office I am in is completely irrelevant to the current discussion. I have spend enough time "out there" too to understand the issues that pop up quite often. ESR didnt merely come up with a polite request to add MP3 support. He claimed incorrect things about the patents not covering decoders. The mail was full of inflammatory leads. > Its not a conspiracy when I front up to a LUG and have to answer the > whys? of users not interested in using Fedora and then relay that to the > ambassador list!! If some users wont be interested until we include proprietary software by default in Fedora, then we are already aware of that. As a ambassadors, it would be your job to point out the project's objectives politely. > > Instead of telling me I am spreading "unfounded claims" and "conspiracy > theories" on what I have just relied to you, based on first hand end > user experiences, why don't you make a founded effort to help set the > story straight? Yep. I have already set the stories straight many times and I will continue to do so. Why don't you, as a member of the Fedora Project Board > and a member of the Fedora Ambassador Steering commitee, do something to > help the Fedora advocates actually advocate for their platform of > choice, instead of telling to "stop the silly conspiracy theories" ? > > Or is that too much to expect? You assume this is not already been done. Suffice to say, this is not true. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 18 07:34:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:04:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Massive desktop Linux migration kept quiet Message-ID: <450E4C08.1030008@fedoraproject.org> Hi This was discussed in this list a while back but this blog offers another interesting perspective. http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/disasterrecovery/soa/Massive_desktop_Linux_migration_kept_quiet/0,139033346,339271031,00.htm Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 18 08:16:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:46:25 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Raleigh, we have a problem ... In-Reply-To: <450E5089.3040109@knox.net.nz> References: <1158482347.3694.7.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> <50732.203.173.154.142.1158484926.squirrel@www.knox.net.nz> <450E3583.1050202@fedoraproject.org> <450E4051.6060400@knox.net.nz> <450E464F.30409@fedoraproject.org> <450E5089.3040109@knox.net.nz> Message-ID: <450E55D9.6000508@fedoraproject.org> Michael J. Knox wrote: > Rahul wrote: >>> >>> Basically "The conclusion was that the interests of Fedora users >>> using proprietary NVidia modules outweigh the interests of other >>> users who would benefit from this update."[1] >> >> Amazingly bad conclusion. So much for a detailed explanation of the >> process. We might as well as have not discussed this issue and >> conveyed the ideas better. What instead happened was that at the time >> we were discussing this issue, the Xorg maintainer happened to Ajax >> and he had no intention on his own to provide a update and we decided >> that we need to have a general update policy and until then the >> updates would be a maintainer's decision. > > It might be a bad conclusion in the eyes of a RedHat employee and > someone high in the "ranks" of the Fedora community... but read the > writing on the wall! > > If everyone is calling it a cow, it moos like a cow.. its a good chance > it is a cow, even if you call it a dog. As a Fedora user and (still) a > Fedora contributor, it is the same conclusion I drew from the issue. Just pointing out its a incorrect conclusion. Your perception doesnt change that. If you want to continue spreading a wrong idea regardless of the facts, that's your choice but it is not in the best interests of the project. > >>> I was also there when everyone was berating Eric S. Raymond for the >>> mere suggestion of RedHat making it easier for end users to add MP3 >>> and DVD support. The sheer notation of doing so, left the >>> fedora-devel mailing looking like a kindergarden play yard (not too >>> mention IRC).Fedora's attitude towards those that do need 3rd party, >>> non-distributable or non-free, is doing it damage. I am just telling >>> you how it is out there, out side your little RedHat office.... >> >> First, lets stop with belittling other people. My Fedora work has >> nothing to do with Red Hat. I have been involved with Fedora much >> before I joined Red Hat so what office I am in is completely >> irrelevant to the current discussion. I have spend enough time "out >> there" too to understand the issues that pop up quite often. > > Clearly you don't understand, either that, or you are covering your ears > and going "la la la la la everything is fine la la la la la" because the > landscape is not peachy for Fedora in my country. Good attitude there. You assumed that I am sitting in a office and not speaking to other people or events. That assumption is just not true. > >> ESR didnt merely come up with a polite request to add MP3 support. He >> claimed incorrect things about the patents not covering decoders. The >> mail was full of inflammatory leads. > Right or wrong approach to a subject does not make the subject its self > wrong. Stating completely incorrect facts in a inflammatory mail does mean that your valid points if any has very good chances of getting lost. In my opinion, ESR has some very valid points, one that didn't > seem to be heard. Please specify exactly what changes you wanted to be done. As I understand it, his changes were clearly heard and rejected as being contradictory to the Fedora objectives. > That is NOT what is being asked for or even suggested!! Ubuntu, for > example, does not redistribute non-free in its distribution, however, it > (non-free) is made easily accessable (legally) through hosted > repositories. My initial comment was that is should not be a "cardinal > sin" to advising users on how to install perfectly legal 3rd party > packages. I didnt see anybody claim it was a cardinal sin. Ubuntu by the way does distribute non-free software. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-April/msg00170.html http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing Look up kernel-restricted package for example. Different distributions have different objectives. Let's just accept that and not try to be mimic what others do. >> >> Yep. I have already set the stories straight many times and I will >> continue to do so. > Seems to be working well, since Fedora's popularity appears to be > falling..... Those two are not connected. > > I see nothing from Fedora that indicates that its addressing valid and > real issues that hamper the ability for users to switch or even in some > cases, recommend, Fedora. The fact that Fedora seems to be loosing > favor, only proves to me, that what ever is being do, is not working. > > Maybe I am wrong.. maybe everyone in the LUGs around have it right... I > don't know. It would nice to have a list of those real world issues and what changes is expected. Other than the suggestion that we include proprietary software either in the distribution or as a repository, do you have any other ideas? Rahul From n.losito at yahoo.it Mon Sep 18 09:57:02 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:57:02 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Italian Linux Day Message-ID: <0BF81325-B4BC-4C5A-9EF6-5EA178F9E95C@yahoo.it> Hi people, the 28th of October in Italy we will have the sixth edition of the Linux Day. The LinuxDay is a national wide event that "calls to arm" every single LUG and free software group in the territory to talk about and spread the GNU/Linux verb (sorry, no BSD and such). Unfortunately the main site is only in italian, but i'll give you a link to it: http://www.linux.it/LinuxDay/main.shtml Now, each LUG has to follow some "national" directives for the event, but after that it's leaved on his own to fullfill the objective at it's best possibility. I am personally involved in two LUGs, one from my college years [1] and one near the city i live in [2]. Since they know i am "in touch" with the Fedora world they've asked me if the Project has a schwag / swag to give at them. So, is this possible ? Thanks in advance, Nicola [1] - http://sprite.csr.unibo.it/blog/progetti/linux-day/linux-day-2006/ [2] - http://www.lugbari.org/bin/view/Main/LinuxDay2006 -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. 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Losito > http://koolinus.wordpress.com > > ITA => http://www.koolinus.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list You can find an usefull guide at: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff/ . The problem is that you need to be an ambassador, if you want i can make the request for you (naturally if you want). Thanks Francesco Ugolini From n.losito at yahoo.it Mon Sep 18 13:47:35 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:47:35 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Italian Linux Day In-Reply-To: <450E9CF8.7000608@fedoraproject.org> References: <0BF81325-B4BC-4C5A-9EF6-5EA178F9E95C@yahoo.it> <450E9CF8.7000608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <0C6F114A-AB5A-4073-9538-C2769651B256@yahoo.it> Il giorno 18/set/06, alle ore 15:19, Francesco Ugolini ha scritto: > Nicola Losito ha scritto: >> Hi people, >> the 28th of October in Italy we will have the sixth edition of the >> Linux Day. >> >> The LinuxDay is a national wide event that "calls to arm" every >> single LUG and free software group in the territory to talk about >> and spread the GNU/Linux verb (sorry, no BSD and such). [CUT] >> Since they know i am "in touch" with the Fedora world they've >> asked me if the Project has a schwag / swag to give at them. >> So, is this possible ? > You can find an usefull guide at: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ > Ambassadors/GetStuff/ . > The problem is that you need to be an ambassador, if you want i can > make the request for you (naturally if you want). Hi Francesco, i've made here the request because i wanted to know if such availability exists. If quantities are "enough" i could get in contact with people @Linux.it so that fedora ships to them and then they ship to LUGs. But since i believe quantities are limited i've made the "request" only for my two Linux Users Groups. Now I'll wait and see what others suggest, and then in a couple of days I'll use your kindness to foward a formal request. is that right ? Ciao ! -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. 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Thanks, Alex On 9/18/06, Rahul wrote: > Hi > > > This was discussed in this list a while back but this blog offers > another interesting perspective. > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/disasterrecovery/soa/Massive_desktop_Linux_migration_kept_quiet/0,139033346,339271031,00.htm > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 18 14:18:51 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:18:51 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Italian Linux Day In-Reply-To: <0C6F114A-AB5A-4073-9538-C2769651B256@yahoo.it> References: <0BF81325-B4BC-4C5A-9EF6-5EA178F9E95C@yahoo.it> <450E9CF8.7000608@fedoraproject.org> <0C6F114A-AB5A-4073-9538-C2769651B256@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <450EAACB.20006@fedoraproject.org> Nicola Losito ha scritto: > > Il giorno 18/set/06, alle ore 15:19, Francesco Ugolini ha scritto: > >> Nicola Losito ha scritto: >>> Hi people, >>> the 28th of October in Italy we will have the sixth edition of the >>> Linux Day. >>> >>> The LinuxDay is a national wide event that "calls to arm" every >>> single LUG and free software group in the territory to talk about >>> and spread the GNU/Linux verb (sorry, no BSD and such). > [CUT] >>> Since they know i am "in touch" with the Fedora world they've asked >>> me if the Project has a schwag / swag to give at them. >>> So, is this possible ? >> You can find an usefull guide at: >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff/ . >> The problem is that you need to be an ambassador, if you want i can >> make the request for you (naturally if you want). > > > Hi Francesco, > i've made here the request because i wanted to know if such > availability exists. > If quantities are "enough" i could get in contact with people > @Linux.it so that fedora ships to them and then they ship to LUGs. > > But since i believe quantities are limited i've made the "request" > only for my two Linux Users Groups. Now I'll wait and see what others > suggest, and then in a couple of days I'll use your kindness to foward > a formal request. is that right ? > > Ciao ! > > -- > Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito > http://koolinus.wordpress.com > > ITA => http://www.koolinus.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list No problem. From poligraph at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 14:16:28 2006 From: poligraph at gmail.com (Konstantin Burtsev) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:16:28 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609160442i5c89cb29ne2f2f537fc70681c@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609160442i5c89cb29ne2f2f537fc70681c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71d21e830609180716t31f28b53qfd8e6a2939b45ac@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all. Today I finished with CLA and request ambassadors membership. On 9/16/06, Alex Maier wrote: > If any of the members of this list have problems with their Fedora > Account, please make sure you have followed all of the following steps > correctly: > > Have you followed CLA Howto[1]? > If you followed all the steps properly and you still can't complete > the CLA, please contact Patrick Barnes[2] with Fedora Infrastructure. > Once CLA issue is resolved, Thomas Chung can help you to complete > Ambassadors membership[3] > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PatrickBarnes > [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService > > Cheers, > a > > On 9/16/06, Rino Mardo wrote: > > Hello, I'm in the same situation as you are and according to Thomas > > there's a problem with the mailer. I supposed you didn't received any > > replies once you have signed and submitted the CLA? > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > Does next string > > > > > > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role > > > Status Sponsor > > > cla_done kburtsev None user > > > In progress Unneeded > > > > > > mean that cla applyed in Fedora Account System? > > > What is the " In progress" field ? > > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > Everybody who wants to be a member of the Fedora Accounts System needs > > > > to sign a CLA -- and everyone who has done so, gets a cla-done status. > > > > > > > > Please get in touch with ThomasChung for help. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > a > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > > Alex, > > > > > I did it week ago. And what with "cla_done " membership ? > > > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > > > > > Your addition to the Ambassadors group will have to be approved by the > > > > > > Account System admins. It may take a day or two :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/15/06, Konstantin Burtsev wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, All. > > > > > > > I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done > > > > > > > group first." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I have next box > > > > > > > Existing memberships > > > > > > > Show all > > > > > > > Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor > > > > > > > cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > > > > _______________________ > > > > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Alex Maier > > > > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > > > _______________________ > > > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Alex Maier > > > > http://amaier.net > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Konstantin Burtsev > > > _______________________ > > > Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 > > > Mail: poligraph at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQBFAEAmpbTFgaOypuIRAoGQAJ46z+/3TbGICertstfPqLq5I4EosgCfdfbT > > IOrODfT4Fd/dC2tQi681A74= > > =Y4x1 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > Registered Debian Linux user #93359 > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Alex Maier > http://amaier.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Best regards, Konstantin Burtsev _______________________ Mobile: +375-29-342-42-01 Mail: poligraph at gmail.com From gerold at lugd.org Mon Sep 18 14:43:19 2006 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:43:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership In-Reply-To: <71d21e830609180716t31f28b53qfd8e6a2939b45ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <71d21e830609150655r21d29d17ma5633f17d142e423@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150701u71195b7ay9236217f1dd3cbc8@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150725q1934fdacsfec0809a04853161@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609150749g7a5f96a2ve30827ae96bd2a8b@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609150800g31260245tee499400b9c44845@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609160442i5c89cb29ne2f2f537fc70681c@mail.gmail.com> <71d21e830609180716t31f28b53qfd8e6a2939b45ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158590599.3001.15.camel@AMILO-GK.homenet.local> Am Montag, den 18.09.2006, 17:16 +0300 schrieb Konstantin Burtsev: > Thanks to all. > Today I finished with CLA and request ambassadors membership. > ^^ so WELCOME to the Team of Fedora Ambassadors :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Sep 18 17:43:15 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] info@fp.org redirect Message-ID: Hi all, the info at fedoraproject.org alias has long been one of the entry points into the Fedora community for various users, prospective Fedora folks, people with random problems who don't know where else to turn, etc. For the past months, that alias has redirected to the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee list. It's worked moderately well, but the number of people on that list who have sufficient time to devote to the answers is not enough to do it justice. So we're going to try an experiment. Instead of directing those inquiries to FAMSCO, we're going to direct them here, to fedora-marketing-list. I'm hoping that the wider readership of this list will lead to a faster turnaround time for the questions, higher quality responses, etc. Even better would be if there are a few members of this list who are particularly interested in helping with this project and are able to help update our FAQ, or create answers that are consistent in their messaging, etc. For example, this page has been created in response to one of the most frequent emails that we get: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage I'm hopeful that this list will be able to do a better job of handling the various emails that come into info at fedoraproject.org. Thanks for your attention, Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 18 17:57:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:27:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] info@fp.org redirect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450EDE01.3000907@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all, > > the info at fedoraproject.org alias has long been one of the entry points > into the Fedora community for various users, prospective Fedora folks, > people with random problems who don't know where else to turn, etc. > > For the past months, that alias has redirected to the Fedora Ambassadors > Steering Committee list. It's worked moderately well, but the number of > people on that list who have sufficient time to devote to the answers is > not enough to do it justice. > > So we're going to try an experiment. Instead of directing those > inquiries to FAMSCO, we're going to direct them here, to > fedora-marketing-list. I'm hoping that the wider readership of this > list will lead to a faster turnaround time for the questions, higher > quality responses, etc. How about press at fedoraproject.org. Is there any reason it cant be redirected to this list too? We should add a note to the contact page that these addresses would reach public mailing lists I believe. > Even better would be if there are a few members of this list who are > particularly interested in helping with this project and are able to > help update our FAQ, or create answers that are consistent in their > messaging, etc. > > For example, this page has been created in response to one of the most > frequent emails that we get: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage > > I'm hopeful that this list will be able to do a better job of handling > the various emails that come into info at fedoraproject.org. > > Thanks for your attention, I think David Wood house's idea that we should just change the default page to clarify the above information was sound. So here is a RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205880 Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 18:08:11 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:08:11 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] info@fp.org redirect In-Reply-To: <450EDE01.3000907@fedoraproject.org> References: <450EDE01.3000907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270609181108s334b06a7yc640b6878e699f69@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/06, Rahul wrote: > How about press at fedoraproject.org. Is there any reason it cant be > redirected to this list too? We should add a note to the contact page > that these addresses would reach public mailing lists I believe. Yes Rahul, and we have discussed this in at least two Famsco meetings. The press prefer to work with few "official" spokespeople, who will all be on-message. Famsco discusses each of these responses before sending them out to press representatives. A diverse and large group such as this list cannot always guarantee this, while it sure can deal with user and new contributor requests. > I think David Wood house's idea that we should just change the default > page to clarify the above information was sound. So here is a RFE > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205880 +1 From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 02:17:53 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:17:53 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> Message-ID: <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> Folks, This is one of the last requests that came in through the redirect to Famsco. Anyone wants to try their hand in responding? Thanks, Alex ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tully Morrison Date: Sep 16, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: [Famsco-list] video driver To: info at fedoraproject.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Tully Morrison To: info at fedoraprojext.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: video driver Hi Fedora Core 4 is what I am using. I just bought a viewsonic optiquest q9 19" lcd monitor. The driver for it is not listed in the driver database and its not on the viewsonic site for linux. Will you please send me a driver for this monitor or tell me which of the listed drivers i have to choose from will work best? Thanks Tully Morrison 3856 Mars Hill Road Carthage, MS 39051 601.267.6823 -- Famsco-list mailing list Famsco-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/famsco-list -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 02:35:11 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:35:11 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug In-Reply-To: <64b14b300609170623w5fb13edld62bb020949cf04@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300609170623w5fb13edld62bb020949cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270609181935r34bf4892p36f7957e5f73c5ae@mail.gmail.com> Here is one more info at fp.o request that went to Famsco--it should be the last one. Thanks for helping us pick up the slack guys! a ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Valent Turkovic Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: [Famsco-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug To: gdk at fedoraproject.org, info at fedoraproject.org, brads at redhat.com I know that Fedora officially doesn't support anything but ext3 but you still put xfsprogs package with fedora and there is a really big problem with it. xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug which leads to xfs partition errors and xfs_repair can't repair the errorous partition. xfs partition crashes, gives read and write errors and running xfs_repair doesn't repair it. The bug is described in here: http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631 You need to put an updated xfsprogs 2.8.10 or newer package for fedora core 5, and all other. Can you please tell me where to get an updated xfsprogs package for fedora core 5? Thank you. Additional info: http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631 http://tinyurl.com/h4o9h http://tinyurl.com/fhs29 -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. -- Famsco-list mailing list Famsco-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/famsco-list -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 19 02:44:23 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0609181944r1c48e31an5eedf4a7c13b316f@mail.gmail.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tully Morrison > To: info at fedoraprojext.org > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:33 AM > Subject: video driver > > > Hi > Fedora Core 4 is what I am using. > I just bought a viewsonic optiquest q9 19" lcd monitor. The driver > for it is not listed in the driver database and its not on the > viewsonic site for linux. > > Will you please send me a driver for this monitor or tell me which of > the listed drivers i have to choose from will work best? > > Thanks > Tully Morrison > 3856 Mars Hill Road > Carthage, MS 39051 > 601.267.6823 Base on spec available online: http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/optiquest/q9b/#specs You could: 1) Select Generic LCD Panel > LCD Panel 1280x1024 2) Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0 VertRefresh 55.0 - 75.0 Then restart X or just reboot. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 11:55:48 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:25:48 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158666949.10341.13.camel@dragon.gja.in> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:17 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > Folks, > > This is one of the last requests that came in through the redirect to Famsco. > > Anyone wants to try their hand in responding? Don't encourage people to send mails like that to FAMSCo/Ambassadors. Point them to fedoraforum.org Gja From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 12:17:01 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:17:01 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <1158666949.10341.13.camel@dragon.gja.in> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1158666949.10341.13.camel@dragon.gja.in> Message-ID: <7f617d270609190517j2fbc0c7cydd59913a37727603@mail.gmail.com> Tejas, We need to make sure to be friendly and open towards other people's requests, even if their questions are addressed somewhere else, like in a forum or in an FAQ. Knowing where to find information in all the numerous Fedora wikis and lists requires some serious study, and people who first encounter all this might not have the knowledge and patience to look for the answers they need. This is why it is our job to reply to their request as good as we can, and to point them to a page where they can find more information. The info at fp.o requests usually come from first-time users and people interested in trying Fedora -- and it is very important we treat them with respect and try to help, so they stick with Fedora :) Cheers, a On 9/19/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:17 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > > Folks, > > > > This is one of the last requests that came in through the redirect to Famsco. > > > > Anyone wants to try their hand in responding? > > Don't encourage people to send mails like that to FAMSCo/Ambassadors. > > Point them to fedoraforum.org > > Gja > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 19 08:29:25 2006 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450FAA65.8060901@fedoraproject.org> Is it wise to have these come to this open list? I would wager that this user has no idea his email has been forwarded to an open list that's archived on multiple sites. Think about it... his full address and phone number are now blasted all over the net with a simple question about drivers This could be bad. ~Karlie Alex Maier wrote: > Folks, > > This is one of the last requests that came in through the redirect to > Famsco. > > Anyone wants to try their hand in responding? > > Thanks, > Alex From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Sep 19 20:26:04 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <450FAA65.8060901@fedoraproject.org> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> <450FAA65.8060901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Is it wise to have these come to this open list? I would wager that > this user has no idea his email has been forwarded to an open list > that's archived on multiple sites. > > Think about it... his full address and phone number are now blasted all > over the net with a simple question about drivers A reasonable point, but if someone's putting the address/phone number in their signature file, I'm guessing it's already sprayed all over the internet. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From n.losito at yahoo.it Wed Sep 20 07:04:34 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:04:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609190517j2fbc0c7cydd59913a37727603@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1158666949.10341.13.camel@dragon.gja.in> <7f617d270609190517j2fbc0c7cydd59913a37727603@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Il giorno 19/set/06, alle ore 14:17, Alex Maier ha scritto: > Tejas, > > We need to make sure to be friendly and open towards other people's > requests, even if their questions are addressed somewhere else, like > in a forum or in an FAQ. [CUT] > The info at fp.o requests usually come from first-time users and people > interested in trying Fedora -- and it is very important we treat them > with respect and try to help, so they stick with Fedora :) But this IMHO doesn't conflict with Tejas idea: > On 9/19/06, Tejas Dinkar wrote: >> Don't encourage people to send mails like that to FAMSCo/Ambassadors. >> >> Point them to fedoraforum.org But maybe if we want to have such a "quick help" task force it will be better to create an appropriate list, with the reply-to setted to the mail author's and not back into the list. Also we could collaborate more on the FedoraFAQ or with this project: http:// ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Fedora_fc5 ciao ! -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://www.koolinus.net http://koolinus.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 14:01:02 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Release Notes freeze for FC6 Message-ID: <1158760862.10989.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Release notes will be frozen on the wiki for translation this Saturday, 23 September 2006. Any content not updated there will not be translated, and will not be in the FC6 final ISO spin. Please make your updates by Friday 22 September 2006 at 2359 UTC to ensure they are available to FC6 users. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule Content will be unfrozen following the XML conversion and release to the Translation Project. At that time, you may again make changes to the wiki, but these changes will *NOT* be in the ISO or FC6 final release. They will be published on the Web as an errata release. This Web page is linked prominently from the top of the Release Notes included in the FC6 ISO spin. -- Paul W. 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Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609181935r34bf4892p36f7957e5f73c5ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300609170623w5fb13edld62bb020949cf04@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270609181935r34bf4892p36f7957e5f73c5ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158800725.15768.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:35 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > Here is one more info at fp.o request that went to Famsco--it should be > the last one. > > Thanks for helping us pick up the slack guys! > a > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Valent Turkovic > Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:23 AM > Subject: [Famsco-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug > To: gdk at fedoraproject.org, info at fedoraproject.org, brads at redhat.com > > > I know that Fedora officially doesn't support anything but ext3 but > you still put xfsprogs package with fedora and there is a really big > problem with it. > > xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug which leads to xfs > partition errors and xfs_repair can't repair the errorous partition. > > xfs partition crashes, gives read and write errors and running > xfs_repair doesn't repair it. > > The bug is described in here: > http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631 > > You need to put an updated xfsprogs 2.8.10 or newer package for fedora > core 5, and all other. > > Can you please tell me where to get an updated xfsprogs package for > fedora core 5? > > Thank you. > > Additional info: > http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631 > http://tinyurl.com/h4o9h > http://tinyurl.com/fhs29 This is BZ #205020. I'm cc'ing Jeff Garzik (the maintainer) and Jeremy in the hopes that one of them (in his copious spare time) :-) can answer whether if and when this will get a fix. I'm guessing it won't in FC6 until post-release, given that it's not a release blocker and the freeze is on. Maybe an FC5 bugfix to tide the reporter(s) over until a post-final FC6 update? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 01:07:33 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:07:33 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: <7f617d270609190517j2fbc0c7cydd59913a37727603@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1158666949.10341.13.camel@dragon.gja.in> <7f617d270609190517j2fbc0c7cydd59913a37727603@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158800853.15768.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 08:17 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > Tejas, > > We need to make sure to be friendly and open towards other people's > requests, even if their questions are addressed somewhere else, like > in a forum or in an FAQ. > > Knowing where to find information in all the numerous Fedora wikis and > lists requires some serious study, and people who first encounter all > this might not have the knowledge and patience to look for the answers > they need. > > This is why it is our job to reply to their request as good as we can, > and to point them to a page where they can find more information. > > The info at fp.o requests usually come from first-time users and people > interested in trying Fedora -- and it is very important we treat them > with respect and try to help, so they stick with Fedora :) +10. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 01:09:25 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver In-Reply-To: References: <001401c6d9ca$b9b66f40$4ad394d0@MELLINNIA> <7f617d270609181917t393d7554h4a8d8689667f7fbf@mail.gmail.com> <450FAA65.8060901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1158800965.15768.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 16:26 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Karlie Robinson wrote: > > > Is it wise to have these come to this open list? I would wager that > > this user has no idea his email has been forwarded to an open list > > that's archived on multiple sites. > > > > Think about it... his full address and phone number are now blasted all > > over the net with a simple question about drivers > > A reasonable point, but if someone's putting the address/phone number in > their signature file, I'm guessing it's already sprayed all over the > internet. Yup, see Google for confirmation. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 21 17:58:03 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? Message-ID: So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of the wiki. But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good. Compare: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ http://www.mozilla.com/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org Here's my vision for the front page of our wiki. But I don't have time to do it myself. So I want to give it to you, and help make it *our* vision. Expand on it, critisize it, etc. I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge* difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our wiki. This is only going to look right in plain text email readers: ------------------------------------------------------------ Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki ------------------------------------------------------------ Two column layout FC6 screenshot Fedora logo Download FC6 torrents, x86, etc. Download FC% torrents, x86, etc. basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it apart from the rest of the FedoraMain ------------------------------------------------------------ Two column layout Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg Fedora Projects General Information now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate, Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly reports, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------- Legal/Trademark Powered by Dell From duffy at redhat.com Thu Sep 21 18:12:33 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:12:33 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> Hi Max, Max Spevack wrote: > So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > the wiki. > > But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good. So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past, and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations? One idea I remember in particular was to have little banner ads on the right nav bar thing to point absolute beginners to things, for example - Want to contribute Fedora and don't know how? Find a mentor! or maybe quick links to downloads, etc. Also we don't actually have a persistent navbar, although this is possible with moinmoin (see http://linux-mm.org/ which Rik van Riel runs). If we had a persistent navbar that was designed well it would be a great benefit as well. Anyway, I can offer my services as far as graphics, mocking things up, and html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current system? ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 21 18:22:36 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about > getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the > appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current > system? So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a different conversation. But what I'm trying to get at here is that I honestly believe that one person who's decent with moinmoin and html could do a pretty good stopgap measure in like 2 hours time, and then at least the wiki's front page will be a bit more useful *until* a more complete job can be done. We're gonna get a ton of traffic when FC6 comes out. I just want to put the *most important stuff* on the front page of the wiki, and clear off all the cruft. That's the "could be done by the weekend if someone really cares" goal. The 2 month goal is more along the lines of what you're talking about. Both are good goals! --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 22 15:28:30 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:58:30 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core section on PolishLinux.org - help needed In-Reply-To: <45014EA0.1040108@fedoraproject.org> References: <45014EA0.1040108@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4514011E.80608@fedoraproject.org> Rahul wrote: > Hi > > Maybe one of the people here can help out. > > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=123645 > > Rahul > We had a offlist discussion and I got some information updated on this site. http://polishlinux.org/linux/fedora/fedora-core-description-updated/ If you would like to be a editor on this site, do contact the people above. Otherwise I would send in more information post FC6 release. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 22 16:03:03 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:03:03 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core section on PolishLinux.org - help needed In-Reply-To: <4514011E.80608@fedoraproject.org> References: <45014EA0.1040108@fedoraproject.org> <4514011E.80608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609220903u1af10cd7kd6271fee0e1753ca@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Rahul wrote: > If you would like to be a editor on this site, do contact the people > above. Otherwise I would send in more information post FC6 release. By the way, there are lots of typos in the Fedora sections That's weird, I've been contacted by another polish magazine to write in english, but I'm not sure whether it's a spam or not. I really don't have time for the moment to check it, tonight i'll give a closer look at it. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chasd at silveroaks.com Fri Sep 22 17:34:38 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> > So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > the wiki. I think that is an improvement, however I think the FC6 links should be below the FC5 links. IMHO, stable releases should be encouraged over test releases. At least there are test release links on the main page now, I like that. > I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge* > difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our > wiki. I think before the layout is determined, you need to decide what is the order of importance. Obviously "How do I get it" is very important, but what are the next three or four most needed pieces of info ? My top five would be Download Help News Participate Goals ( not sure about the order ) > This is only going to look right in plain text email readers: > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Two column layout > > FC6 screenshot Fedora logo I personally don't like having two logos close to each other. I would remove one. The space the log takes here could be better used with some descriptive copy, or a review quote. > > Download FC6 > torrents, x86, etc. A link to new features here might be a good idea. You offer links to FC5 and to FC6, some copy or a link to help the viewer decide which to choose might be a good idea. > > Download FC% > torrents, x86, etc. > > basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it > apart from the rest of the FedoraMain Why set it apart ? > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Two column layout > > Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg > Fedora Projects General Information > now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate, > Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two > words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly > reports, etc. Not sure why two different colored backgrounds would be required here. I think the organization into two columns is enough of a separation. Maybe one column is wider than the other to indicate emphasis rather than a different background color. One more comment about color, one of the reasons I think FedoraMain is, um, not as inviting as the other links Mr. Spevack provided is the colors are either all the same or neutral. Everything is either blue, white, or black/grey. Blue is a rather passive color. I think one or maybe two brighter colors in small doses to add interest might help. Also there is almost no imagery or graphics on FedoraMain ( besides the screen shot ) compared to icons or even images at the other links. The Fedora style ( and Ubuntu ) uses very flat color. Adding something with dimension provides contrast to the flat color. Note how if you remove the icons from the openSUSE page the design becomes much more plain. If the Mozilla icons were flat that page would start to be a yawner. I agree with another post that the use of badges or "banners" to attract the eye to highly requested areas might be a good idea, particularly if there are highlights and shadows to provide dimension. I have zero experience with Wikis, MoinMoin in particular. Charles Dostale From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Sep 22 20:25:43 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> References: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: Those are great comments, thanks for them. Come on folks, doesn't anyone feel like playing around with this a little bit? Try something out -- take a copy of the "raw text" of FedoraMain and start playing with it somewhere else in the wiki. Use it as an excuse to learn moinmoin. Make your vision happen! Hoping someone feels inspired, Max On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: >> So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of >> the wiki. > > I think that is an improvement, however I think the FC6 links should be below > the FC5 links. > IMHO, stable releases should be encouraged over test releases. > At least there are test release links on the main page now, I like that. > >> I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge* >> difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our >> wiki. > > I think before the layout is determined, you need to decide what is the order > of importance. > Obviously "How do I get it" is very important, but what are the next three or > four most needed pieces of info ? > > My top five would be > Download > Help > News > Participate > Goals > ( not sure about the order ) > >> This is only going to look right in plain text email readers: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Two column layout >> >> FC6 screenshot Fedora logo > > I personally don't like having two logos close to each other. > I would remove one. The space the log takes here could be better used with > some descriptive copy, or a review quote. > >> >> Download FC6 >> torrents, x86, etc. > > A link to new features here might be a good idea. > You offer links to FC5 and to FC6, some copy or a link to help the viewer > decide which to choose might be a good idea. > >> >> Download FC% >> torrents, x86, etc. >> >> basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it >> apart from the rest of the FedoraMain > > Why set it apart ? > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Two column layout >> >> Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg >> Fedora Projects General Information >> now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate, >> Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two >> words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly >> reports, etc. > > Not sure why two different colored backgrounds would be required here. > I think the organization into two columns is enough of a separation. > Maybe one column is wider than the other to indicate emphasis rather than a > different background color. > > One more comment about color, one of the reasons I think FedoraMain is, um, > not as inviting as the other links Mr. Spevack provided is the colors are > either all the same or neutral. Everything is either blue, white, or > black/grey. Blue is a rather passive color. I think one or maybe two brighter > colors in small doses to add interest might help. Also there is almost no > imagery or graphics on FedoraMain ( besides the screen shot ) compared to > icons or even images at the other links. The Fedora style ( and Ubuntu ) uses > very flat color. Adding something with dimension provides contrast to the > flat color. Note how if you remove the icons from the openSUSE page the > design becomes much more plain. If the Mozilla icons were flat that page > would start to be a yawner. > > I agree with another post that the use of badges or "banners" to attract the > eye to highly requested areas might be a good idea, particularly if there are > highlights and shadows to provide dimension. > > I have zero experience with Wikis, MoinMoin in particular. > > > Charles Dostale > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 02:57:20 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:57:20 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1158980240.5418.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:22 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about > > getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the > > appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current > > system? > > So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's > a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a > different conversation. I used the "random quote" moin feature to make a "tip-a-day" feature quite some time ago, and sent to it a couple folks on the Websites team for review. My CSS was not up to snuff but no one ever put an improvement on it. If such an expert steps up, please feel free to include this; it would be a great way to show off new *and* existing features of the OS. The Docs team already agreed to help provide content. If you want to see a *WORKING* mockup of the feature, go to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/TipTest Refresh the page a couple times to see it at work. The layout is the old one, and it's obviously subpar; too crowded and confusing. But I really believe this simple feature is a neat, super-low-drag way to help make the front page a little bit dynamic. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 23 11:34:06 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:34:06 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1158980240.5418.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4512D611.1050200@redhat.com> <1158980240.5418.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Is a great idea. +1 2006/9/23, Paul W. Frields : > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:22 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > > html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about > > > getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the > > > appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current > > > system? > > > > So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's > > a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a > > different conversation. > > I used the "random quote" moin feature to make a "tip-a-day" feature > quite some time ago, and sent to it a couple folks on the Websites team > for review. My CSS was not up to snuff but no one ever put an > improvement on it. If such an expert steps up, please feel free to > include this; it would be a great way to show off new *and* existing > features of the OS. The Docs team already agreed to help provide > content. > > If you want to see a *WORKING* mockup of the feature, go to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/TipTest > > Refresh the page a couple times to see it at work. The layout is the > old one, and it's obviously subpar; too crowded and confusing. But I > really believe this simple feature is a neat, super-low-drag way to help > make the front page a little bit dynamic. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board > Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 23 20:00:53 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:30:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Guided Tour Message-ID: <45159275.9010208@fedoraproject.org> Hi Recent artwork modifications in Fedora development tree requires screenshots to be updated again. Help out if you can. The perils of ongoing development... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207777 Rahul From samfw at redhat.com Sun Sep 24 01:08:43 2006 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: References: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <1159060124.31391.2.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 16:25 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > Those are great comments, thanks for them. > > Come on folks, doesn't anyone feel like playing around with this a little > bit? Try something out -- take a copy of the "raw text" of FedoraMain and > start playing with it somewhere else in the wiki. Use it as an excuse to > learn moinmoin. Make your vision happen! > I'm playing around: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SamFolkWilliams/draftMainSandbox I think instead of just having the download links front and center, it's nice to have the three major sections "info and downloads" "community" and "help/support". I put Paul's tip of the day thing in and took out a bunch of the stuff that makes the page long. Probably there is a better way to have the news feeds, maybe make the picture more exciting, etc. This is just a first go at it, but I agree strongly with Max -- we should do something.... We might also want to think about Dimitri's new fedora local homepage, which will be the starter page firefox displays in FC 6: Sam > Hoping someone feels inspired, > Max > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: > > >> So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > >> the wiki. > > > > I think that is an improvement, however I think the FC6 links should be below > > the FC5 links. > > IMHO, stable releases should be encouraged over test releases. > > At least there are test release links on the main page now, I like that. > > > >> I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge* > >> difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our > >> wiki. > > > > I think before the layout is determined, you need to decide what is the order > > of importance. > > Obviously "How do I get it" is very important, but what are the next three or > > four most needed pieces of info ? > > > > My top five would be > > Download > > Help > > News > > Participate > > Goals > > ( not sure about the order ) > > > >> This is only going to look right in plain text email readers: > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Two column layout > >> > >> FC6 screenshot Fedora logo > > > > I personally don't like having two logos close to each other. > > I would remove one. The space the log takes here could be better used with > > some descriptive copy, or a review quote. > > > >> > >> Download FC6 > >> torrents, x86, etc. > > > > A link to new features here might be a good idea. > > You offer links to FC5 and to FC6, some copy or a link to help the viewer > > decide which to choose might be a good idea. > > > >> > >> Download FC% > >> torrents, x86, etc. > >> > >> basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it > >> apart from the rest of the FedoraMain > > > > Why set it apart ? > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Two column layout > >> > >> Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg > >> Fedora Projects General Information > >> now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate, > >> Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two > >> words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly > >> reports, etc. > > > > Not sure why two different colored backgrounds would be required here. > > I think the organization into two columns is enough of a separation. > > Maybe one column is wider than the other to indicate emphasis rather than a > > different background color. > > > > One more comment about color, one of the reasons I think FedoraMain is, um, > > not as inviting as the other links Mr. Spevack provided is the colors are > > either all the same or neutral. Everything is either blue, white, or > > black/grey. Blue is a rather passive color. I think one or maybe two brighter > > colors in small doses to add interest might help. Also there is almost no > > imagery or graphics on FedoraMain ( besides the screen shot ) compared to > > icons or even images at the other links. The Fedora style ( and Ubuntu ) uses > > very flat color. Adding something with dimension provides contrast to the > > flat color. Note how if you remove the icons from the openSUSE page the > > design becomes much more plain. If the Mozilla icons were flat that page > > would start to be a yawner. > > > > I agree with another post that the use of badges or "banners" to attract the > > eye to highly requested areas might be a good idea, particularly if there are > > highlights and shadows to provide dimension. > > > > I have zero experience with Wikis, MoinMoin in particular. > > > > > > Charles Dostale > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Max Spevack > + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack > + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc > + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From samfw at redhat.com Sun Sep 24 01:10:04 2006 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159060124.31391.2.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> References: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> <1159060124.31391.2.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1159060204.31391.4.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 21:08 -0400, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > We might also want to think about Dimitri's new fedora local homepage, > which will be the starter page firefox displays in FC 6: > http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fc6-browser-splash/ Heh... accidentally hit ctrl-enter there mid sentence...^^^ > Sam > > Hoping someone feels inspired, > > Max > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: > > > > >> So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of > > >> the wiki. > > > > > > I think that is an improvement, however I think the FC6 links should be below > > > the FC5 links. > > > IMHO, stable releases should be encouraged over test releases. > > > At least there are test release links on the main page now, I like that. > > > > > >> I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge* > > >> difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our > > >> wiki. > > > > > > I think before the layout is determined, you need to decide what is the order > > > of importance. > > > Obviously "How do I get it" is very important, but what are the next three or > > > four most needed pieces of info ? > > > > > > My top five would be > > > Download > > > Help > > > News > > > Participate > > > Goals > > > ( not sure about the order ) > > > > > >> This is only going to look right in plain text email readers: > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Two column layout > > >> > > >> FC6 screenshot Fedora logo > > > > > > I personally don't like having two logos close to each other. > > > I would remove one. The space the log takes here could be better used with > > > some descriptive copy, or a review quote. > > > > > >> > > >> Download FC6 > > >> torrents, x86, etc. > > > > > > A link to new features here might be a good idea. > > > You offer links to FC5 and to FC6, some copy or a link to help the viewer > > > decide which to choose might be a good idea. > > > > > >> > > >> Download FC% > > >> torrents, x86, etc. > > >> > > >> basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it > > >> apart from the rest of the FedoraMain > > > > > > Why set it apart ? > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Two column layout > > >> > > >> Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg > > >> Fedora Projects General Information > > >> now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate, > > >> Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two > > >> words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly > > >> reports, etc. > > > > > > Not sure why two different colored backgrounds would be required here. > > > I think the organization into two columns is enough of a separation. > > > Maybe one column is wider than the other to indicate emphasis rather than a > > > different background color. > > > > > > One more comment about color, one of the reasons I think FedoraMain is, um, > > > not as inviting as the other links Mr. Spevack provided is the colors are > > > either all the same or neutral. Everything is either blue, white, or > > > black/grey. Blue is a rather passive color. I think one or maybe two brighter > > > colors in small doses to add interest might help. Also there is almost no > > > imagery or graphics on FedoraMain ( besides the screen shot ) compared to > > > icons or even images at the other links. The Fedora style ( and Ubuntu ) uses > > > very flat color. Adding something with dimension provides contrast to the > > > flat color. Note how if you remove the icons from the openSUSE page the > > > design becomes much more plain. If the Mozilla icons were flat that page > > > would start to be a yawner. > > > > > > I agree with another post that the use of badges or "banners" to attract the > > > eye to highly requested areas might be a good idea, particularly if there are > > > highlights and shadows to provide dimension. > > > > > > I have zero experience with Wikis, MoinMoin in particular. > > > > > > > > > Charles Dostale > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > > Max Spevack > > + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack > > + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc > > + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 18:26:44 2006 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Help PERU Message-ID: Estimados amigos. Recientemente, me he adicionado al grupo de embajadores de "Fedora Project", como embajador de PERU. El 21 de Octubre se realizar? en Lima.-Per? , un evento[1] muy grande en el cu?l muchas distribuciones de Linux estar?n presentes, demostrando su operatividad en vivo. Entre las distribuciones que se encuentran en la lista se encuentran: - OpenSUSE - Debian - Mandrake - Ubuntu. Cada una de las cuales mostrar?n al p?blico que asista al evento las bondades de cada distribuci?n ademas de obsequiar Polos, Dvds, llaveros entre otros materiales de merchandesing. Es por ello que recurro a la lista, para solicitar ayuda en cuanto a los materiales de merchandesing que pueda ofrecer para el evento. Cuanto con un equipo que puede encargarse de esta loable labor. Esperamos que puedan ayudarnos. Muchas gracias por la ayuda que puedan brindarnos. Saludos, ---Hernan Embajador Peru [1] - Peru Open Source Day - http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/linux/?page_id=31 English Version Dear friends. Recently, I have added the group of ambassadors of "Fedora Project", like ambassador of PERU. The 21 of October will be made in Lima. - Peru, a very great event in which many distributions of Linux will be present, demonstrating its operativity live. Between the distributions that are in the list they find: - OpenSUSE - Peru - Debian - Peru - Mandrake - Peru - Ubuntu - Peru Each one of which they will show the public who attends the event kindness of each distribution besides to flatter t-shirt, Dvds, key rings among other materials of merchandesing. It is for that reason that I resort to the list, to ask for aid as far as the materials of merchandesing that can offer for the event. Whatever with an equipment that can be in charge of this praiseworthy work. We hoped that they can help us. Thank you very much by the aid that can offer us. 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I had to download the cd isos this week so I went to look for some italian mirrors and I found that the one of ngi is RESTRICTED!... http://fedora.ngi.it/ redirects to http://gaming.ngi.it/mirror_maintenance/ where you find this notice: "Dear user, our mirrors are currently available only for users connecting from NGI's IP addresses." Currently? To me it's an excuse: it's been at least months of this situation lasting... I took a look and discovered the same page just some months ago, but I didn't write to you to report this. I'm doing it now to ask you to think about and maybe reconsider their presence in Fedora mirrirs page because actually theirs is NOT a mirror. It's not public as you can see! I personally dislike when one tries to publicize itsself offering a service that actually isn't there. What's more, using free software communities... Thanks for the attention, anyway... Greetings -- Fabrizio Felici Registered Linux User #398394 Registered Linux Machines #300244 #300245 GROlug - http://www.grolug.org/ Di' di NO al TC-Palladium!! http://www.no1984.org/ From stickster at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 21:28:15 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <1159060124.31391.2.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> References: <20060922160006.74B257333B@hormel.redhat.com> <568c942e1bda51fd06a322df3643e6a3@silveroaks.com> <1159060124.31391.2.camel@samfw.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1159133295.5817.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 21:08 -0400, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 16:25 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > Those are great comments, thanks for them. > > > > Come on folks, doesn't anyone feel like playing around with this a little > > bit? Try something out -- take a copy of the "raw text" of FedoraMain and > > start playing with it somewhere else in the wiki. Use it as an excuse to > > learn moinmoin. Make your vision happen! > > > I'm playing around: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SamFolkWilliams/draftMainSandbox The current front page and your draft both have a significant problem with layout when the browser width is changed. If I shrink my width down to a more comfortable reading level, the logo flies down under the screenshot and everything looks goofy. In the old system, the logo was a background so this would not happen. See for comparison: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain/GetFedora Although you don't want to make the default page require really wide browser widths to see everything, you also don't want it so dynamic that it gets uglified easily. In this way, the previous page was better. I like the idea of reorganizing our content, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water! :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 21:30:22 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Guided Tour In-Reply-To: <45159275.9010208@fedoraproject.org> References: <45159275.9010208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1159133422.5817.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 01:30 +0530, Rahul wrote: > Hi > > Recent artwork modifications in Fedora development tree requires > screenshots to be updated again. Help out if you can. The perils of > ongoing development... > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207777 I need to make screenshots (or get them) for the Installation Guide as well, but Rawhide has been uninstallable of late. Since many of us volunteers do a lot of work on the weekends, it would be nice if there were some extra care being paid to make sure that Friday night/Saturday morning's Rawhide actually worked, and any critical problems with the compose were attended to. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do note that unlike what's being reported at http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060925#news, the wiki page discussing this feature is nearly a year old now. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit?action=info Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 25 12:59:56 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:29:56 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Init system discussions In-Reply-To: <4517BF4C.9090008@fedoraproject.org> References: <4517BF4C.9090008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4517D2CC.3090808@fedoraproject.org> Rahul wrote: > Hi Ladislav, > > Thanks for reporting on the init system discussions in Fedora. Do note > that unlike what's being reported at > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060925#news, the wiki page > discussing this feature is nearly a year old now. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit?action=info > ... and thanks for rewording it. Rahul From guillermo.gomez at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 13:29:40 2006 From: guillermo.gomez at gmail.com (Gomix.homelinux.net) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:29:40 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Help PERU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63a901070609250629v60fa647dqf2f7cdde96edeee0@mail.gmail.com> Hernan, fedora-ve te puede ayudar tambi?n, recien estamos armando nuestro primer evento en Venezuela. http://www.fedora-ve.org o encuentranos en #fedora-ve en freenode para ayudarte. saludos Guillermo On 9/24/06, Hernan Pachas wrote: > > Estimados amigos. > > Recientemente, me he adicionado al grupo de embajadores de "Fedora > Project", como embajador de PERU. > > El 21 de Octubre se realizar? en Lima.-Per? , un evento[1] muy grande en > el cu?l muchas distribuciones de Linux estar?n presentes, demostrando su > operatividad en vivo. Entre las distribuciones que se encuentran en la lista > se encuentran: > - OpenSUSE > - Debian > - Mandrake > - Ubuntu. > > Cada una de las cuales mostrar?n al p?blico que asista al evento las > bondades de cada distribuci?n ademas de obsequiar Polos, Dvds, llaveros > entre otros materiales de merchandesing. > > Es por ello que recurro a la lista, para solicitar ayuda en cuanto a los > materiales de merchandesing que pueda ofrecer para el evento. > > Cuanto con un equipo que puede encargarse de esta loable labor. > > Esperamos que puedan ayudarnos. > > Muchas gracias por la ayuda que puedan brindarnos. > > Saludos, > > ---Hernan > Embajador Peru > > [1] - Peru Open Source Day - http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/linux/?page_id=31 > > English Version > > Dear friends. > > Recently, I have added the group of ambassadors of "Fedora Project", like > ambassador of PERU. > > The 21 of October will be made in Lima. - Peru, a very great event in > which many distributions of Linux will be present, demonstrating its > operativity live. Between the distributions that are in the list they find: > > - OpenSUSE - Peru > - Debian - Peru > - Mandrake - Peru > - Ubuntu - Peru > > Each one of which they will show the public who attends the event kindness > of each distribution besides to flatter t-shirt, Dvds, key rings among other > materials of merchandesing. > > It is for that reason that I resort to the list, to ask for aid as far as > the materials of merchandesing that can offer for the event. > > Whatever with an equipment that can be in charge of this praiseworthy > work. > > We hoped that they can help us. > > Thank you very much by the aid that can offer us. > > Greetings, > ---Hernan > > Peru ambassador > [1] - Peru Open Source Day - http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/linux/?page_id=31 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Ing.Guillermo Gomez S. http://blog.gomix.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasd at silveroaks.com Mon Sep 25 18:03:49 2006 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd at silveroaks.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:03:49 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo? In-Reply-To: <20060923160006.BA5B37357A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060923160006.BA5B37357A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <687d0dda08fa6d81e5f5bce8f0f788cc@silveroaks.com> > From: Max Spevack > Come on folks, doesn't anyone feel like playing around with this a > little > bit? Try something out -- take a copy of the "raw text" of FedoraMain > and > start playing with it somewhere else in the wiki. Use it as an excuse > to > learn moinmoin. Make your vision happen! Yes, I did do some work, but nothing I feel is share-able at this point. Charles Dostale From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Sep 26 02:13:58 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:13:58 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Help PERU In-Reply-To: <63a901070609250629v60fa647dqf2f7cdde96edeee0@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a901070609250629v60fa647dqf2f7cdde96edeee0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45188CE6.2020301@projetofedora.org> Pode contar com os "hermanos" Brasileiros :-) Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira - Brazil www.projetofedora.org Gomix.homelinux.net escreveu: > Hernan, fedora-ve te puede ayudar tambi?n, recien estamos armando > nuestro primer evento en Venezuela. > > http://www.fedora-ve.org o encuentranos en #fedora-ve en freenode para > ayudarte. > > saludos > > Guillermo > > On 9/24/06, *Hernan Pachas* > wrote: > > Estimados amigos. > > Recientemente, me he adicionado al grupo de embajadores de "Fedora > Project", como embajador de PERU. > > El 21 de Octubre se realizar? en Lima.-Per? , un evento[1] muy > grande en el cu?l muchas distribuciones de Linux estar?n presentes, > demostrando su operatividad en vivo. Entre las distribuciones que se > encuentran en la lista se encuentran: > - OpenSUSE > - Debian > - Mandrake > - Ubuntu. > > Cada una de las cuales mostrar?n al p?blico que asista al evento las > bondades de cada distribuci?n ademas de obsequiar Polos, Dvds, > llaveros entre otros materiales de merchandesing. > > Es por ello que recurro a la lista, para solicitar ayuda en cuanto a > los materiales de merchandesing que pueda ofrecer para el evento. > > Cuanto con un equipo que puede encargarse de esta loable labor. > > Esperamos que puedan ayudarnos. > > Muchas gracias por la ayuda que puedan brindarnos. > > Saludos, > > ---Hernan > Embajador Peru > > [1] - Peru Open Source Day - > http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/linux/?page_id=31 > > English Version > > Dear friends. > > Recently, I have added the group of ambassadors of "Fedora Project", > like ambassador of PERU. > > The 21 of October will be made in Lima. - Peru, a very great event > in which many distributions of Linux will be present, demonstrating > its operativity live. Between the distributions that are in the list > they find: > - OpenSUSE - Peru > - Debian - Peru > - Mandrake - Peru > - Ubuntu - Peru > > Each one of which they will show the public who attends the event > kindness of each distribution besides to flatter t-shirt, Dvds, key > rings among other materials of merchandesing. > > It is for that reason that I resort to the list, to ask for aid as > far as the materials of merchandesing that can offer for the event. > > Whatever with an equipment that can be in charge of this > praiseworthy work. > > We hoped that they can help us. > > Thank you very much by the aid that can offer us. > > Greetings, > ---Hernan > > Peru ambassador > [1] - Peru Open Source Day - > http://usmp-lug.usmp.edu.pe/linux/?page_id=31 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Ing.Guillermo Gomez S. > http://blog.gomix.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 12:22:34 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] false fedora mirror... In-Reply-To: <6c6b5daf0609230927t46cc94adx859ba23b0250fdb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c6b5daf0609230927t46cc94adx859ba23b0250fdb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270609260522g4d6f3765g46f65a93e15f7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Dear Max, Thank you for letting us know. I am copying ftp+fedora at redhat.com so they can deal with this situation. You can find more information about mirrors here: http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/mirrors.html Cheers, Alex On 9/23/06, Max Murdock wrote: > Hello... > I'm an Italian Linux usera and "Fedora lover", I follow and appreciate > very much the work you guys are doing to keep the distro at top > level... > > I'd like to make you notice a thing, maybe you can't see it because > you're not Italian... > I had to download the cd isos this week so I went to look for some > italian mirrors and I found that the one of ngi is RESTRICTED!... > http://fedora.ngi.it/ redirects to > http://gaming.ngi.it/mirror_maintenance/ > where you find this notice: > "Dear user, > our mirrors are currently available only for users connecting from > NGI's IP addresses." > > Currently? To me it's an excuse: it's been at least months of this > situation lasting... > I took a look and discovered the same page just some months ago, but I > didn't write to you to report this. I'm doing it now to ask you to > think about and maybe reconsider their presence in Fedora mirrirs page > because actually theirs is NOT a mirror. It's not public as you can > see! > > I personally dislike when one tries to publicize itsself offering a > service that actually isn't there. What's more, using free software > communities... > Thanks for the attention, anyway... > > Greetings > -- > Fabrizio Felici > Registered Linux User #398394 > Registered Linux Machines #300244 #300245 > > GROlug - http://www.grolug.org/ > Di' di NO al TC-Palladium!! http://www.no1984.org/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier http://amaier.net From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Sep 26 22:27:02 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:02 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora in numbers!!! Message-ID: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> Brazilian surveys about: Desktops and Fedora Core 5. By http://www.projetofedora.org and http://www.fedora.org.br What's your favorite Desktop ? (1100 Fedora Users) Answers | Results () KDE = 46% () GNOME = 49% () OTHERS = 5% What do you think about Fedora Core 5? (400 Fedora Users) Answers | Results () Very Good = 47% () Good = 41% () Regular = 9% () Bad = 1% () Very Bad = 2% Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro Brazilian Fedora Ambassador www.projetofedora.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 26 22:32:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:02:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4519AA91.3010705@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > Brazilian surveys about: Desktops and Fedora Core 5. > By http://www.projetofedora.org and http://www.fedora.org.br > > What's your favorite Desktop ? (1100 Fedora Users) > Answers | Results > () KDE = 46% > () GNOME = 49% > () OTHERS = 5% > > What do you think about Fedora Core 5? (400 Fedora Users) > Answers | Results > () Very Good = 47% > () Good = 41% > () Regular = 9% > () Bad = 1% > () Very Bad = 2% > Interesting numbers. A more broader sample would be useful. Why is there two different Brazil sites on Fedora? Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 26 22:32:51 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:32:51 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/06, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > Brazilian surveys about: Desktops and Fedora Core 5. > By http://www.projetofedora.org and http://www.fedora.org.br > > What's your favorite Desktop ? (1100 Fedora Users) > Answers | Results > () KDE = 46% > () GNOME = 49% KDE isn't far behind. We have to consider changing the default theme distributed by Fedora. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 26 22:35:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:05:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/27/06, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > wrote: >> Brazilian surveys about: Desktops and Fedora Core 5. >> By http://www.projetofedora.org and http://www.fedora.org.br >> >> What's your favorite Desktop ? (1100 Fedora Users) >> Answers | Results >> () KDE = 46% >> () GNOME = 49% > > KDE isn't far behind. We have to consider changing the default theme > distributed by Fedora. Theme for KDE? GNOME? both? Icons or Window manager? What are the other alternatives recommended? Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 26 22:56:00 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:56:00 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/06, Rahul wrote: > Theme for KDE? GNOME? both? Icons or Window manager? What are the other > alternatives recommended? I mean KDE. I've noticed no change of kde theme or icon sets since FC3, but gnome did have clearlooks and so on. Well, I think for alternatives we can have alook at what we have in FE already: tango-icon-theme kdeartwork-icons crystal I've asked a RFE for konqueror but sounds like the feature freeze had already started https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207770 -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 26 23:03:00 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:33:00 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/27/06, Rahul wrote: >> Theme for KDE? GNOME? both? Icons or Window manager? What are the other >> alternatives recommended? > > > I mean KDE. I've noticed no change of kde theme or icon sets since > FC3, but gnome did have clearlooks and so on. > > Well, I think for alternatives we can have alook at what we have in FE > already: > tango-icon-theme > kdeartwork-icons > crystal > Suggest this as a RFE early soon after FC6 is released. I believe there is a extras hand-off planned too. So there would be developer momentum to do things that improve the KDE experience in Fedora. Jump on that bandwagon and you should be able to get more things done. Rahul From n.losito at yahoo.it Wed Sep 27 07:09:22 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:22 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: false fedora mirror... In-Reply-To: <6c6b5daf0609230927t46cc94adx859ba23b0250fdb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c6b5daf0609230927t46cc94adx859ba23b0250fdb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A9CAC76-2C2D-4D94-96C7-BCE391F226FB@yahoo.it> Il giorno 23/set/06, alle ore 18:27, Max Murdock ha scritto: > I'd like to make you notice a thing, maybe you can't see it because > you're not Italian... > I had to download the cd isos this week so I went to look for some > italian mirrors and I found that the one of ngi is RESTRICTED!... > http://fedora.ngi.it/ redirects to > http://gaming.ngi.it/mirror_maintenance/ > where you find this notice: > "Dear user, > our mirrors are currently available only for users connecting from > NGI's IP addresses." > > Currently? To me it's an excuse: it's been at least months of this > situation lasting... > I took a look and discovered the same page just some months ago, but I > didn't write to you to report this. I'm doing it now to ask you to > think about and maybe reconsider their presence in Fedora mirrirs page > because actually theirs is NOT a mirror. It's not public as you can > see! Hi, i'm italian too, i'm not an NGI customer but i don't see the point in taking any action against them, because i don't think that excluding them from the mirrors list would make any difference for the better. Maybe we could "advice" them to declare clearly that their mirror is only for they customers, as it is probably a plus to their customer and in this way thay are able to give them a better download experience ... Just my 0,02? -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 27 12:09:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:39:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: false fedora mirror... In-Reply-To: <8A9CAC76-2C2D-4D94-96C7-BCE391F226FB@yahoo.it> References: <6c6b5daf0609230927t46cc94adx859ba23b0250fdb2@mail.gmail.com> <8A9CAC76-2C2D-4D94-96C7-BCE391F226FB@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <451A69FF.1010307@fedoraproject.org> Nicola Losito wrote: > > Hi, > i'm italian too, i'm not an NGI customer but i don't see the point in > taking any action against them, because i don't think that excluding > them from the mirrors list would make any difference for the better. It would be more efficient if yum didnt check for non accessible mirrors. So it indeed makes it better for end users. > > Maybe we could "advice" them to declare clearly that their mirror is > only for they customers, as it is probably a plus to their customer and > in this way thay are able to give them a better download experience ... > We dont include mirrors in the mirror list unless they are publicly accessible and meet the bandwidth requirements. Rahul From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Sep 27 12:11:07 2006 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:11:07 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Rahul wrote: > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> On 9/27/06, Rahul wrote: >>> Theme for KDE? GNOME? both? Icons or Window manager? What are the other >>> alternatives recommended? >> >> >> I mean KDE. I've noticed no change of kde theme or icon sets since >> FC3, but gnome did have clearlooks and so on. >> >> Well, I think for alternatives we can have alook at what we have in FE >> already: >> tango-icon-theme >> kdeartwork-icons >> crystal > Suggest this as a RFE early soon after FC6 is released. I believe there > is a extras hand-off planned too. So there would be developer momentum > to do things that improve the KDE experience in Fedora. Jump on that > bandwagon and you should be able to get more things done. You betcha! (: Personally, I'm of the mind to go KISS (keep it simple, stupid) and recommend going with kde default crystal(icon)/plastik(widgets). -- Rex From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 27 14:39:19 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:39:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora in numbers!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/06, Rex Dieter wrote: > You betcha! (: > > Personally, I'm of the mind to go KISS (keep it simple, stupid) and > recommend going with kde default crystal(icon)/plastik(widgets). It depends simple for whom ? I don't think our KDE is "Simple" with : - long Kmenu (2 menus which basically say the same thing, (e.g Administration and Settings) - software confusion, 2 or more software which do the same thing (e.g kwrite, kate, kedit) Definitely, a newbie who wants to use KDE with fedora will have to spend more time to understand what is what in fedora's KDE. As an ambassador in Strasbourg, I've seen many former Mandriva users (kde), migrating to KUbuntu. If you say KUbuntu(with the default theme) is simple, I might agree. It's hard, as an ambassador to convince people that you might use KDE with fedora. A screenshot of fedora's Kmenu is enough to frighten any newbie. The question which must be taken into consideration is: Vista is coming out soon, Ubuntu(and KUbuntu) is making thing more simple with XGL. Fedora with KDE, how will it look like with aiglx ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Sep 27 15:03:06 2006 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:06 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in numbers, kde defaults in future Fedora releases References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/27/06, Rex Dieter wrote: >> You betcha! (: >> >> Personally, I'm of the mind to go KISS (keep it simple, stupid) and >> recommend going with kde default crystal(icon)/plastik(widgets). > > It depends simple for whom ? I'm speaking in the context of look-n-feel, icons/widgets. > I don't think our KDE is "Simple" with : > - long Kmenu (2 menus which basically say the same thing, (e.g > Administration and Settings) Administration -> system administration. Settings -> User-specific preferences Not really the same thing, imo. Besides, placement of apps in the menus is not a "KDE" thing, it's controlled by the apps themselves via what Categories=... are listed in their .desktop files. > - software confusion, 2 or more software which do the same thing (e.g > kwrite, kate, kedit) Not *exactly* the same thing. Each has different target audiences with different feature-sets. > It's hard, as an ambassador to convince people that you might use KDE > with fedora. > A screenshot of fedora's Kmenu is enough to frighten any newbie. Regardless, imo, this discussion is quickly moving off-topic for fedora-marketing. Followup on fedora-list. -- Rex From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 27 18:00:46 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:00:46 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in numbers, kde defaults in future Fedora releases In-Reply-To: References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've started my linux experience using kde but after few months i realize that gnome is the best window manager becuase it is faster than kde and more acessibile and less *dos like. 2006/9/27, Rex Dieter : > > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > On 9/27/06, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> You betcha! (: > >> > >> Personally, I'm of the mind to go KISS (keep it simple, stupid) and > >> recommend going with kde default crystal(icon)/plastik(widgets). > > > > It depends simple for whom ? > > I'm speaking in the context of look-n-feel, icons/widgets. > > > I don't think our KDE is "Simple" with : > > - long Kmenu (2 menus which basically say the same thing, (e.g > > Administration and Settings) > > Administration -> system administration. > Settings -> User-specific preferences > > Not really the same thing, imo. > > Besides, placement of apps in the menus is not a "KDE" thing, it's > controlled by the apps themselves via what > Categories=... > are listed in their .desktop files. > > > - software confusion, 2 or more software which do the same thing (e.g > > kwrite, kate, kedit) > > Not *exactly* the same thing. Each has different target audiences with > different feature-sets. > > > It's hard, as an ambassador to convince people that you might use KDE > > with fedora. > > A screenshot of fedora's Kmenu is enough to frighten any newbie. > > Regardless, imo, this discussion is quickly moving off-topic for > fedora-marketing. Followup on fedora-list. > > -- Rex > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heiko.adams at gmx.de Wed Sep 27 20:24:20 2006 From: heiko.adams at gmx.de (Heiko Adams) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:24:20 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in numbers, kde defaults in future Fedora releases In-Reply-To: References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060927222420.3bedcdbd@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For me it's nearly the same way. I've started with kde but realized shortly the gnome is the better one. for me kde is for the "kids" Am Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:00:46 +0200 schrieb "Francesco Ugolini" : > I've started my linux experience using kde but after few months i > realize that gnome is the best window manager becuase it is faster > than kde and more acessibile and less *dos like. > > 2006/9/27, Rex Dieter : > > > > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > > > > On 9/27/06, Rex Dieter wrote: > > >> You betcha! (: > > >> > > >> Personally, I'm of the mind to go KISS (keep it simple, stupid) > > >> and recommend going with kde default > > >> crystal(icon)/plastik(widgets). > > > > > > It depends simple for whom ? > > > > I'm speaking in the context of look-n-feel, icons/widgets. > > > > > I don't think our KDE is "Simple" with : > > > - long Kmenu (2 menus which basically say the same thing, (e.g > > > Administration and Settings) > > > > Administration -> system administration. > > Settings -> User-specific preferences > > > > Not really the same thing, imo. > > > > Besides, placement of apps in the menus is not a "KDE" thing, it's > > controlled by the apps themselves via what > > Categories=... > > are listed in their .desktop files. > > > > > - software confusion, 2 or more software which do the same thing > > > (e.g kwrite, kate, kedit) > > > > Not *exactly* the same thing. Each has different target audiences > > with different feature-sets. > > > > > It's hard, as an ambassador to convince people that you might use > > > KDE with fedora. > > > A screenshot of fedora's Kmenu is enough to frighten any newbie. > > > > Regardless, imo, this discussion is quickly moving off-topic for > > fedora-marketing. Followup on fedora-list. > > > > -- Rex > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFGt35Fs/JPNR65YARAgWWAKClXz0F0OKLiXFKT7CqvlK2fp85ZQCgrOOF ONFPoJIFrX2aUYUzfyvOd+s= =b7Nn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Sep 28 01:26:14 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:26:14 -0300 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in Numbers! In-Reply-To: <45188CE6.2020301@projetofedora.org> References: <63a901070609250629v60fa647dqf2f7cdde96edeee0@mail.gmail.com> <45188CE6.2020301@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <451B24B6.7030607@projetofedora.org> Hi Chitlesh!! In Brazil(Fedora Users) the most used confgurations are: Window decoration: Plastik Style: Plastik Icons: Crystal Colors: KDE Defatult This is the best configuration!!! The Fedora KDE defaults are very bad. ASS: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 28 19:34:25 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:34:25 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in numbers, kde defaults in future Fedora releases In-Reply-To: References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609281234uaabfadah10de2af1ea0a40b5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/06, Rex Dieter wrote: > > It depends simple for whom ? > > I'm speaking in the context of look-n-feel, icons/widgets. I guess crystal icons and plastic theme are simple in the context of look-n-feel, icons/widgets, I think they both comes from Core packages . > Administration -> system administration. > Settings -> User-specific preferences > > Not really the same thing, imo. True, there are not the same thing, but we are having "Settings" as a duplicate for modules found in kcontrol. > Besides, placement of apps in the menus is not a "KDE" thing, it's > controlled by the apps themselves via what > Categories=... > are listed in their .desktop files. Perhaps, we can work more on the simplicity of KDE .desktop which comes from Core. My girlfriend has followed the discussions and agreed to say something about it: --------------------------------------------------------- I'd say it's a question of which people you target: If you want to be a distribution for more sophisticated and exeperienced users - let me call them geeks ;) - then you're fine with putting every possible kde-app into the core to satisfy everybody's needs. If your aim is that people using windows switch to fedora (also known as "newbies" ;) ) who first have to learn what kate (kwrite / kedit) is, how you use it, when and where... then you'll better try to simplify the distro. My _personal_ aim is that people like my parents use linux, that's why I'm very happy with the (k)ubuntu-ish way of doing it: ONE application for ONE task. If later they get so experienced that they need kwrite, too - well: sudo apt-get install kwrite Most people nowadays have fast internet connection. System Administration / Settings: I don't remeber exactly how those are in fedora, but I know that with kcontrol I can control virtually everything I need to. Even the reduced version in Kubuntu (kcontrol is still there by the way, it's just not in the menu) will make an average user very, very happy. So it's all a question of what you want with fedora and of which your target audience is. ___________ You can quote me if you want to :-D (...and if you do, mention that my mom recently switched to kubuntu ;) ) -------------------------------- Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 28 19:37:17 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:37:17 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora in numbers, kde defaults in future Fedora releases In-Reply-To: <20060927222420.3bedcdbd@localhost.localdomain> References: <4519A936.8070701@projetofedora.org> <13dbfe4f0609261532x16466b67u836af59d0cf61af2@mail.gmail.com> <4519AB1A.6020507@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609261556o2d1a8d4bg2dde92cf791b763d@mail.gmail.com> <4519B1A4.2050700@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609270739k76f40cd9k4a13230f9d56dba1@mail.gmail.com> <20060927222420.3bedcdbd@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0609281237j18675d02t7e48c25cb43da3cb@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/06, Heiko Adams wrote: > > For me it's nearly the same way. I've started with kde but realized > shortly the gnome is the better one. for me kde is for the "kids" > > schrieb "Francesco Ugolini" : > > I've started my linux experience using kde but after few months i > realize that gnome is the best window manager becuase it is faster > than kde and more acessibile and less *dos like. > Well, the discussion is NOT about whether KDE and gnome is better, but rather how we can enhance the look and feel of KDE from fedora as simple as possible. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 30 21:54:54 2006 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:54:54 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core section on PolishLinux.org - help needed In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0609220903u1af10cd7kd6271fee0e1753ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <45014EA0.1040108@fedoraproject.org> <4514011E.80608@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0609220903u1af10cd7kd6271fee0e1753ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1159653294.5004.6.camel@redhat> On 22-09-2006, fri at 18:03 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/22/06, Rahul wrote: > > If you would like to be a editor on this site, do contact the people > > above. Otherwise I would send in more information post FC6 release. > > By the way, there are lots of typos in the Fedora sections > > That's weird, I've been contacted by another polish magazine to write > in english, but I'm not sure whether it's a spam or not. > > I really don't have time for the moment to check it, tonight i'll give > a closer look at it. Hi, Hmm... which magazine? If you do not have time to do it, I can do it for you :) By the way, I am planning to write an article about Fedora Core 6 to Linux Magazine :) Regards, Pawel From chris at thecodingstudio.com Thu Sep 28 21:16:53 2006 From: chris at thecodingstudio.com (Chris Haney) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:16:53 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Test 3 Screenshots Message-ID: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Fedora%20Core%206%20Test%203 -- Chris Haney The Coding Studio http://www.TheCodingStudio.com