From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 06:13:37 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:43:37 +0530 Subject: 2006 Operating System Vulnerability Summary Message-ID: <46109F11.5050008@fedoraproject.org> Hi Fedora does very well compared to other systems in this. http://www.omninerd.com/2007/03/26/articles/74 "After the first reboot, the network card came on-line for a final stage of installation configurations. Fedora's installer prompted for security configurations on the firewall whereupon ports were opened for FTP, Mail, NFS, SSH, Samba, HTTPS, telnet and HTTP. No changes were made to the default SELinux policies.72 Nmap could not identify the operating system, guessing incorrectly Sun Solaris 10. Unlike other Nmap scans which took only seconds, this scan lasted for 26 minutes and resulted in numerous filtered ports which is behavior indicative of a default firewall. A Nessus scan against Fedora 6 during the configuration process revealed no direct vulnerabilities to the host itself.73" Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:45:13 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:45:13 -0400 Subject: Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs... Message-ID: Dear * , Here is a great news.. The news reads.. "Dell received more than 100,000 responses in its recent survey, and more than 70 percent of the respondents said they would want a Dell PC with Linux for both home and office use. The Dell announcement of plans to preinstall and support Linux could encourage more widespread use of Linux PCs by small businesses as well as consumers." Read on http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Dell-Promises-Linux-on-PCs-Coming-Soon/story.xhtml?story_id=131007PF7Y0O -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Mon Apr 2 15:00:09 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:00:09 -0300 Subject: Fedora Marketing Problem with LiveCD Message-ID: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guys!! Last weekend i tested the Fedora LiveCD (Gnome and KDE). I have noted a BIG problem. This cds doesn't has OpenOffice. I believe that the OpenOffice Presenter is a VERY IMPORTANT SOFTWARE in the LiveCD. LiveCd is used to make presentations and demonstrations about Fedora and how can I do this without a OpenOffice Presenter. Koffice and others dont have the same OpenOffice quality and compatibility. I have many others sugestions based in the profile of the LiveCd users. For who can i send changes and package suggestions? Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira. projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGERp5Pg3HAC1vlg4RAgDAAJ9GsorWwvwCZmtliMKgOinBEsVlKQCfZT8B Hqmi0oAR5zDNWUO7QyNTQY4= =DHp5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 2 15:04:09 2007 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:04:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing Problem with LiveCD In-Reply-To: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> References: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <200704021104.09211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 02 April 2007 11:00:09 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > I believe that the OpenOffice Presenter is a VERY IMPORTANT SOFTWARE in > the LiveCD. ?LiveCd is used to make presentations and demonstrations > about Fedora and how can I do this without a OpenOffice Presenter. > > Koffice and others dont have the same OpenOffice quality and compatibility. > > I have many others sugestions based in the profile of the LiveCd users. > > For who can i send changes and ?package suggestions? OpenOffice.org is far far too big to put on a LiveCD image, especially if we want our Live image to support other languages than just English. oo.org + translations is roughly 1.5 CDs in size, just itself. A larger image (would require DVD media) could be created with more packages on it, but it wouldn't fit on a CD. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 15:06:42 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:36:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora Marketing Problem with LiveCD In-Reply-To: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> References: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <46111C02.3010804@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi Guys!! > > Last weekend i tested the Fedora LiveCD (Gnome and KDE). > > I have noted a BIG problem. This cds doesn't has OpenOffice. > > I believe that the OpenOffice Presenter is a VERY IMPORTANT SOFTWARE in > the LiveCD. LiveCd is used to make presentations and demonstrations > about Fedora and how can I do this without a OpenOffice Presenter. > > Koffice and others dont have the same OpenOffice quality and compatibility. > > I have many others sugestions based in the profile of the LiveCd users. > > For who can i send changes and package suggestions? fedora-livecd-list. This was however a very conscious decision. Openoffice.org+ L10N fonts leaves little room for any other software. The decision was made to make the live cd accommodate all languages that we have in Fedora and skip openoffice.org. There has been some talks about having different variants that cover some regional groups like say U.S, Europe, Asia etc however that is unlikely to be done for Fedora 7. The best solution for you is to yum install livecd-tools and create your own Live cd based on one of the kickstart files that live cd currently uses. It is really easy to do that if you have the bandwidth to download the required RPMS. Btw, I am playing with the tool currently to see if we can create a really minimal live cd with fluxbox. It is been pretty interesting. Rahul From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Mon Apr 2 15:11:00 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing Problem with LiveCD In-Reply-To: <200704021104.09211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <46111A79.9010800@projetofedora.org> <200704021104.09211.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1175526660.2816.0.camel@trauco> El lun, 02-04-2007 a las 11:04 -0400, Jesse Keating escribi?: > On Monday 02 April 2007 11:00:09 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > I believe that the OpenOffice Presenter is a VERY IMPORTANT SOFTWARE in > > the LiveCD. LiveCd is used to make presentations and demonstrations > > about Fedora and how can I do this without a OpenOffice Presenter. > > > > Koffice and others dont have the same OpenOffice quality and compatibility. > > > > I have many others sugestions based in the profile of the LiveCd users. > > > > For who can i send changes and package suggestions? > > OpenOffice.org is far far too big to put on a LiveCD image, especially if we > want our Live image to support other languages than just English. oo.org + > translations is roughly 1.5 CDs in size, just itself. Yes, other LiveCD have Openoffice, but only one language. > > A larger image (would require DVD media) could be created with more packages > on it, but it wouldn't fit on a CD. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] Embajador Fedora - Chile sip:gotencool at ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:17:34 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:17:34 +0200 Subject: Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> Good, thank you Susmit to submit this news. Do you know how many people chose fedora as favorite distribution to be bundled with new dell products? Regards Francesco Ugolini susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: > Dear * , > Here is a great news.. > > The news reads.. > > "Dell received more than 100,000 responses in its recent survey, and > more than 70 percent of the respondents said they would want a Dell PC > with Linux for both home and office use. The Dell announcement of > plans to preinstall and support Linux could encourage more widespread > use of Linux PCs by small businesses as well as consumers." > > Read on > http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Dell-Promises-Linux-on-PCs-Coming-Soon/story.xhtml?story_id=131007PF7Y0O > > -- > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:11:46 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:11:46 -0400 Subject: Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs... In-Reply-To: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> References: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Nope..No indication on that anywhere..not even at dell's site. However comments and blogs are here http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx But personnaly I expect that will be good in number.. And they are *to* offer it..We may soon know the approximate number when they start shipping. But what I feel so happy about is people are being interested in using Linux. : ) -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 17:14:09 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:14:09 +0200 Subject: Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs... In-Reply-To: References: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461139E1.5050505@fedoraproject.org> Yeah, it's a great day for open source :) Francesco Ugolini susmit shannigrahi ha scritto: > Nope..No indication on that anywhere..not even at dell's site. > > However comments and blogs are here > http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx > > But personnaly I expect that will be good in number.. > And they are *to* offer it..We may soon know the approximate number > when they start shipping. > But what I feel so happy about is people are being interested in using > Linux. : ) > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 3 12:37:32 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:37:32 +0200 Subject: Dell Promises Linux on Desktop and Laptop PCs... In-Reply-To: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> References: <46112C9E.4010609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46124A8C.2060900@kanarip.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Good, thank you Susmit to submit this news. Do you know how many people > chose fedora as favorite distribution to be bundled with new dell products? > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > I remember an article on Dell's choice to also distribute Linux, which basically said the following: Although the largest amount of people vote for some Linux distribution because they actually want that Linux distribution, there's also a rather large amount that chooses any free operating system just to prevent them from paying fees. In Dell's "ideas corner" (i don't remember what this was called exactly), people could also vote for 'no operating system installed'. I guess this vote was added later, because it was like on page 20. My point being, any number from Dell's inquiry may be indicative, but just that. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Apr 5 20:25:56 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:25:56 -0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara Message-ID: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NEW VERSION Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot By Ronaldo Padula Colours by Jayme Ayres Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGFVtTPg3HAC1vlg4RApbPAKCrx/liVVM86Na/PzxNh1O+dKTvbQCgoDPX w7btAOpFORp4S5aHrOaG+Cg= =7KP9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Apr 5 22:36:19 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:36:19 +0100 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> O/H Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira ??????: > Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot I think the parrot is the best mascot so far proposed. It is slim, kind yet could look serious, can be made not look childish, could be stuffed, could be drawn with only a few lines/outline yet look professional. Looks great! :) In my opinion we could try and make it look more friendly and a bit less like he is "teaching". He looks a bit like a know-it-all. :) Here is a very nice take of a parrot IMO: http://www.parrotsinternational.org/Images/Parrots-International-Logo-_trans_giff.gif -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Apr 6 00:33:54 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:33:54 +0800 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 23:36 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira ??????: > > Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot > > I think the parrot is the best mascot so far proposed. It is slim, kind yet > could look serious, can be made not look childish, could be stuffed, could be > drawn with only a few lines/outline yet look professional. Looks great! :) > > In my opinion we could try and make it look more friendly and a bit less like he > is "teaching". He looks a bit like a know-it-all. :) Here is a very nice take of > a parrot IMO: > > http://www.parrotsinternational.org/Images/Parrots-International-Logo-_trans_giff.gif > I like try 5 personally although I think that looks like the bundy bear http://www.bundabergrum.com.au. Or the parrot I think thats try 6? Regards, Marc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the current designs. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 06:30:40 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:30:40 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4615E910.7040807@nicubunu.ro> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > NEW VERSION > > Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot It is nice indeed. I intended myself to try a modified (more simplified) version but didn't found yet the right time to work on it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 06:43:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:13:24 +0530 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> >> I like try 5 personally although I think that looks like the bundy bear >> http://www.bundabergrum.com.au. Or the parrot I think thats try 6? > > We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the > current designs. While Fedora 7 is a reasonable deadline, if you want more time to experiment and try out more ideas that's ok. A mascot is going to be there for many releases. We don't want to pick a less "ideal" one just because we had to meet a release deadline we set for ourselves. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri Apr 6 06:43:40 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Ven 6 avril 2007 08:28, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> >> I like try 5 personally although I think that looks like the bundy bear >> http://www.bundabergrum.com.au. Or the parrot I think thats try 6? > > We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the > current designs. Some more thoughts: - birds are associated with "brainless" in some cultures. Parrots are worse as they add "ornemental" (and mean) to the mix - most of the proposals are overly complex or reliant on colours. The mascot must scale gracefully to low-resolution media or those where each used colour costs (CDs, T-shirts). That's why successful mascots like Tux or the Java guy are designed to degrade gracefully in monochrome low-res outline mode Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 06:56:30 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:56:30 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4615EF1E.4020609@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the >> current designs. > > While Fedora 7 is a reasonable deadline, if you want more time to > experiment and try out more ideas that's ok. A mascot is going to be > there for many releases. We don't want to pick a less "ideal" one just > because we had to meet a release deadline we set for ourselves. True, we may even end with no mascot if we don't get something without enough support from the community (and so far my feeling is the community is not very enthusiastic about this). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 07:03:24 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:03:24 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Some more thoughts: > - birds are associated with "brainless" in some cultures. Parrots are > worse as they add "ornemental" (and mean) to the mix Around here is an insult to call someone "parrot". But in my understanding, *any* symbol you use, in some part of the world it will have a negative connotation. > - most of the proposals are overly complex or reliant on colours. The > mascot must scale gracefully to low-resolution media or those where each > used colour costs (CDs, T-shirts). That's why successful mascots like Tux > or the Java guy are designed to degrade gracefully in monochrome low-res > outline mode I kinda disagree, the proposals we got so far are mostly black and white sketches, without having yet colors added, so we may evolve them in such a direction. One thing I like about Rodrigo's Arrara: for small size display (like a favicon or web button) we can use only the head, without the rest of the body. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 09:20:22 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:20:22 +0200 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <461610D6.4070404@fedoraproject.org> The animal work is seen by the people like a "stupid word", but at the same time, each animal as something special, we have to focus this last thing. Parrot is more fedorian than you can think, in fact he adapt himself in every situation, like Fedora who can give people the possibility to create a personal distribution, not only, he is a beautiful animal, like Fedora desktop, icon etc... I'm a little bit minimalist, so as many said an easier version of the parrot would be more cool. For me +1 for Parrot. Francesco Ugolini Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Some more thoughts: >> - birds are associated with "brainless" in some cultures. Parrots are >> worse as they add "ornemental" (and mean) to the mix > > Around here is an insult to call someone "parrot". But in my > understanding, *any* symbol you use, in some part of the world it will > have a negative connotation. > >> - most of the proposals are overly complex or reliant on colours. The >> mascot must scale gracefully to low-resolution media or those where each >> used colour costs (CDs, T-shirts). That's why successful mascots like Tux >> or the Java guy are designed to degrade gracefully in monochrome low-res >> outline mode > > I kinda disagree, the proposals we got so far are mostly black and white > sketches, without having yet colors added, so we may evolve them in such > a direction. > > One thing I like about Rodrigo's Arrara: for small size display (like a > favicon or web button) we can use only the head, without the rest of the > body. > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 10:28:10 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:28:10 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615E910.7040807@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <4615E910.7040807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <461620BA.3040208@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > It is nice indeed. I intended myself to try a modified (more simplified) > version but didn't found yet the right time to work on it. Sorry for the spam, I had not paid attention at the mail headers and spammed the list believing I am on the *Art* list, where those messages wold be on-topic. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 10:36:22 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:06:22 +0530 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615EF1E.4020609@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> <4615EF1E.4020609@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <461622A6.7000701@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>> We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the >>> current designs. >> >> While Fedora 7 is a reasonable deadline, if you want more time to >> experiment and try out more ideas that's ok. A mascot is going to be >> there for many releases. We don't want to pick a less "ideal" one just >> because we had to meet a release deadline we set for ourselves. > > True, we may even end with no mascot if we don't get something without > enough support from the community (and so far my feeling is the > community is not very enthusiastic about this). How are you determining enthusiasm from the community? This effort is not well advertised and probably only a very small group of people are even aware that there is some proposals for a mascot. If you want to invite more people to contribute, a broader announcement should be put out. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 10:20:13 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:20:13 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615E910.7040807@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <4615E910.7040807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46161EDD.8010602@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >> >> NEW VERSION >> >> Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot > > It is nice indeed. I intended myself to try a modified (more simplified) > version but didn't found yet the right time to work on it. I played around a little with a slightly simplified shape (probably not simplified enough) and some bling (abusing the blur filter). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 10:45:31 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:45:31 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461622A6.7000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> <4615EF1E.4020609@nicubunu.ro> <461622A6.7000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461624CB.5030805@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> True, we may even end with no mascot if we don't get something without >> enough support from the community (and so far my feeling is the >> community is not very enthusiastic about this). > > How are you determining enthusiasm from the community? This effort is > not well advertised and probably only a very small group of people are > even aware that there is some proposals for a mascot. If you want to > invite more people to contribute, a broader announcement should be put out. I apologized in another mail, I was not paying attention and believed I am on the "Art" list and that was an attempt to tease the team members on being more active on the task. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Apr 6 10:45:43 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:45:43 +0800 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461622A6.7000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <4615EC0C.9060909@fedoraproject.org> <4615EF1E.4020609@nicubunu.ro> <461622A6.7000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1175856345.13518.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 16:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Nicu Buculei wrote: > >>> > >>> We still have a few weeks to try additional designs/variation of the > >>> current designs. > >> > >> While Fedora 7 is a reasonable deadline, if you want more time to > >> experiment and try out more ideas that's ok. A mascot is going to be > >> there for many releases. We don't want to pick a less "ideal" one just > >> because we had to meet a release deadline we set for ourselves. > > > > True, we may even end with no mascot if we don't get something without > > enough support from the community (and so far my feeling is the > > community is not very enthusiastic about this). > > How are you determining enthusiasm from the community? This effort is > not well advertised and probably only a very small group of people are > even aware that there is some proposals for a mascot. If you want to > invite more people to contribute, a broader announcement should be put out. Maybe make an announcement on fedoraforum although there may be to much noise in doing that. Regards, Marc Wiriadisastra -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Apr 6 12:58:49 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:58:49 +0100 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> O/H Nicu Buculei ??????: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Some more thoughts: >> - birds are associated with "brainless" in some cultures. Parrots are >> worse as they add "ornemental" (and mean) to the mix > > Around here is an insult to call someone "parrot". But in my > understanding, *any* symbol you use, in some part of the world it will > have a negative connotation. +1. In greek calling one a parrot means he repeats things he hears without knowing what they mean (like students copying book paragraphs in exams). I'm afraid we'll probably have to make a compromise at some point. :) >> - most of the proposals are overly complex or reliant on colours. The >> mascot must scale gracefully to low-resolution media or those where each >> used colour costs (CDs, T-shirts). That's why successful mascots like Tux >> or the Java guy are designed to degrade gracefully in monochrome low-res >> outline mode > > I kinda disagree, the proposals we got so far are mostly black and white > sketches, without having yet colors added, so we may evolve them in such > a direction. > > One thing I like about Rodrigo's Arrara: for small size display (like a > favicon or web button) we can use only the head, without the rest of the > body. I agree with this as well. -d PS: What's "arrara"? I tried finding it in wikipedia with no luck. "Ararauna" is the closest thing I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-and-yellow_Macaw -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 13:26:20 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:26:20 +0300 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> Message-ID: <46164A7C.9010006@nicubunu.ro> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > In greek calling one a parrot means he repeats things he hears without > knowing what they mean (like students copying book paragraphs in exams). I'm > afraid we'll probably have to make a compromise at some point. :) On top of that, even the gesture shown by the mascot (the palm, fist, a finger, two fingers, a circle, anything) will be considered offensive in some part of the world, so I learned a few years ago when OpenOffice.org selected a mascot [1]. So my personal policy is to ignore this, I am going to put the mascot in some indecent positions for my own use anyway. > PS: What's "arrara"? I tried finding it in wikipedia with no luck. "Ararauna" is > the closest thing I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-and-yellow_Macaw Yeah, that should be. Parrot, macaw, ara - looking from the orbit all are the same :p [1] - http://marketing.openoffice.org/graphics/logos/oooedu-mascot-small.jpg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri Apr 6 17:27:03 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:27:03 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> Message-ID: <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Nicu Buculei ??????: >> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> Some more thoughts: >>> - birds are associated with "brainless" in some cultures. Parrots are >>> worse as they add "ornemental" (and mean) to the mix >> Around here is an insult to call someone "parrot". But in my >> understanding, *any* symbol you use, in some part of the world it will >> have a negative connotation. > > +1. In greek calling one a parrot means he repeats things he hears without > knowing what they mean (like students copying book paragraphs in exams). I'm > afraid we'll probably have to make a compromise at some point. :) Hehe, this is part of the reason why I started drawing aliens. Of course now that I think about it, aliens can have some pretty bad connotations too (abducting people, wreaking havoc for farmers with crop circles, etc.) ;) FWIW I am very impressed with the progress on the mascots, it looks like we have some very nice options. ~m From cnegus at rucls.net Fri Apr 6 20:09:58 2007 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:09:58 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 13:27 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hehe, this is part of the reason why I started drawing aliens. Of course > now that I think about it, aliens can have some pretty bad connotations > too (abducting people, wreaking havoc for farmers with crop circles, > etc.) ;) I like the alien idea, taking into account that the "wreaking havoc"-type issues need to be handled carefully. The idea of an alien mascot made me think of a chat I was having with Seth Vidal the Sunday morning of FUDCON Boston (while waiting for late-night revelers to straggle in). He was talking about how science fiction often foreshadows later technical innovations (such as modern cell phones being modeled after Star Trek communicators). If you do it right, an alien mascot could represent the Fedora aspirations of always bringing the latest technical innovations. I have an image of a cool, brilliant, slightly-shy alien gently offering secrets of the universe to interested earthlings. Making him humble can help overcome the fear-of-abduction imagery. Myths could arise about how certain new technology breakthroughs came after developers consulted with this alien. Good stories can help spark imagination and prompt people to remember the pursuits of a project, even more than a logo or a single word that is not a hat. -- Chris Negus From nushio at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 6 22:08:20 2007 From: nushio at fedoraproject.org (Juan Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:08:20 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> Message-ID: +1 to the parrot. It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used than a Polar Bear or a Dolphin. On 4/6/07, Chris Negus wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 13:27 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Hehe, this is part of the reason why I started drawing aliens. Of course > > now that I think about it, aliens can have some pretty bad connotations > > too (abducting people, wreaking havoc for farmers with crop circles, > > etc.) ;) > > I like the alien idea, taking into account that the "wreaking > havoc"-type issues need to be handled carefully. > > The idea of an alien mascot made me think of a chat I was having with > Seth Vidal the Sunday morning of FUDCON Boston (while waiting for > late-night revelers to straggle in). He was talking about how science > fiction often foreshadows later technical innovations (such as modern > cell phones being modeled after Star Trek communicators). > > If you do it right, an alien mascot could represent the Fedora > aspirations of always bringing the latest technical innovations. 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URL: From nayyares at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 15:51:45 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:51:45 +0200 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <461579E3.2070304@glezos.com> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> +1 for parrot. Great work On 4/7/07, Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > +1 to the parrot. > It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used than a > Polar Bear or a Dolphin. > > On 4/6/07, Chris Negus < cnegus at rucls.net> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 13:27 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > > Hehe, this is part of the reason why I started drawing aliens. Of > > course > > > now that I think about it, aliens can have some pretty bad > > connotations > > > too (abducting people, wreaking havoc for farmers with crop circles, > > > etc.) ;) > > > > I like the alien idea, taking into account that the "wreaking > > havoc"-type issues need to be handled carefully. > > > > The idea of an alien mascot made me think of a chat I was having with > > Seth Vidal the Sunday morning of FUDCON Boston (while waiting for > > late-night revelers to straggle in). He was talking about how science > > fiction often foreshadows later technical innovations (such as modern > > cell phones being modeled after Star Trek communicators). > > > > If you do it right, an alien mascot could represent the Fedora > > aspirations of always bringing the latest technical innovations. I have > > an image of a cool, brilliant, slightly-shy alien gently offering > > secrets of the universe to interested earthlings. Making him humble can > > help overcome the fear-of-abduction imagery. > > > > Myths could arise about how certain new technology breakthroughs came > > after developers consulted with this alien. Good stories can help spark > > imagination and prompt people to remember the pursuits of a project, > > even more than a logo or a single word that is not a hat. > > > > -- Chris Negus > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno > Freelance Software Developer & Designer > Fedora Ambassador > Key fingerprint = 6201 742D 1092 92BF FB1E 3310 4731 5C14 520E 0258 > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihedmm at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 19:37:47 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:37:47 +0200 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> yes, like my friends i think that is a good job +1 for parrot 2007/4/7, Nayyar Ahmad : > > +1 for parrot. Great work > > On 4/7/07, Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > > > +1 to the parrot. > > It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used than a > > Polar Bear or a Dolphin. > > > > On 4/6/07, Chris Negus < cnegus at rucls.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 13:27 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > > > Hehe, this is part of the reason why I started drawing aliens. Of > > > course > > > > now that I think about it, aliens can have some pretty bad > > > connotations > > > > too (abducting people, wreaking havoc for farmers with crop circles, > > > > > > > etc.) ;) > > > > > > I like the alien idea, taking into account that the "wreaking > > > havoc"-type issues need to be handled carefully. > > > > > > The idea of an alien mascot made me think of a chat I was having with > > > Seth Vidal the Sunday morning of FUDCON Boston (while waiting for > > > late-night revelers to straggle in). He was talking about how science > > > fiction often foreshadows later technical innovations (such as modern > > > cell phones being modeled after Star Trek communicators). > > > > > > If you do it right, an alien mascot could represent the Fedora > > > aspirations of always bringing the latest technical innovations. I > > > have > > > an image of a cool, brilliant, slightly-shy alien gently offering > > > secrets of the universe to interested earthlings. Making him humble > > > can > > > help overcome the fear-of-abduction imagery. > > > > > > Myths could arise about how certain new technology breakthroughs came > > > after developers consulted with this alien. Good stories can help > > > spark > > > imagination and prompt people to remember the pursuits of a project, > > > even more than a logo or a single word that is not a hat. > > > > > > -- Chris Negus > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno > > Freelance Software Developer & Designer > > Fedora Ambassador > > Key fingerprint = 6201 742D 1092 92BF FB1E 3310 4731 5C14 520E 0258 > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 9 07:32:15 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:32:15 +0200 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> Le Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:37:47 +0200, "nihed mbarek" a ?crit : > yes, like my friends i think that is a good job > +1 for parrot > > 2007/4/7, Nayyar Ahmad : > > > > +1 for parrot. Great work > > > > On 4/7/07, Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > > > > > +1 to the parrot. > > > It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used > > > than a Polar Bear or a Dolphin. > > > Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning it conveys ? >From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. Thomas From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Apr 9 11:52:38 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:52:38 +0100 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> References: <46155B54.4090306@projetofedora.org> <1175819634.4427.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <461A2906.4040208@glezos.com> O/H Thomas Canniot ??????: > Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as > got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning > it conveys ? > >>From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. If lots of people, once they looked at the logo, *have* thought "ha, we repeat what other people say", then we should reconsider it. To be honest, I haven't thought about it until it was mentioned on the mailing list. Probably because not all parrots talk and even then they only repeat words but don't mimic (eg. actions). I'm sure all of us are open to any other ideas of animals with well-balanced images (the penguin is one such example, which obviously, can't be used). -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From mattdm at mattdm.org Mon Apr 9 13:10:44 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:10:44 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:32:15AM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. Yeah, that's sure my first thought too. Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot? What are we, a breakfast cereal? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 14:51:28 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:51:28 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <50966.192.54.193.51.1175841820.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4615F0BC.2000809@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> Matthew Miller wrote: > Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot? > What are we, a breakfast cereal? It can't hurt to see what folks who think its a good idea come up with. ~m From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 14:58:05 2007 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? A stray thought here: why not spend some time brainstorming some cool goodies to produce, instead of the old tired t-shirts and caps? From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 15:01:33 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:01:33 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <46164409.6070603@glezos.com> <461682E7.3040102@redhat.com> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? Linux has tux the penguin BSD has chuck the demon guy Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners? Has Tux not been successful? ~m From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 15:05:25 2007 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:05:25 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Alex Maier wrote: > > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? > > Linux has tux the penguin > BSD has chuck the demon guy Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in form of a cuddly stuffed doll. > Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners? I am simply saying that I do not see any reason to add a cuddly mascot to our existing brand palette. > Has Tux not been successful? Very, and this discussion is proof. From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 15:14:00 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: > On 4/9/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Alex Maier wrote: >> > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to >> > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who >> > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? >> >> Linux has tux the penguin >> BSD has chuck the demon guy > > Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in > form of a cuddly stuffed doll. And herein lies the problem. The licensing/etc issues around the logo have made it such that it can be difficult for community members to actually use it (eg Fedora art team) or even interpretations of it. For the community to create something that they made and own would be nice, I think. And it's nice to have something cuddly to give out at conference booths. Maybe I'm silly tho. ~m From caseyjones at runbox.com Mon Apr 9 16:42:24 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20070409160008.1F0F773118@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070409160008.1F0F773118@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: A big +1 for the parrot! Great work! Casey ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 6 > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to match the original message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Thomas Canniot) > 2. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Dimitris Glezos) > 3. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Matthew Miller) > 4. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy) > 5. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Alex Maier) > 6. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy) > 7. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Alex Maier) > 8. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:32:15 +0200 > From: Thomas Canniot > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20070409093215.330a9983 at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Le Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:37:47 +0200, > "nihed mbarek" a ??crit : > > > yes, like my friends i think that is a good job > > +1 for parrot > > > > 2007/4/7, Nayyar Ahmad : > > > > > > +1 for parrot. Great work > > > > > > On 4/7/07, Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 to the parrot. > > > > It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used > > > > than a Polar Bear or a Dolphin. > > > > > > > Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as > got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning > it conveys ? > > >From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. > > Thomas > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:52:38 +0100 > From: Dimitris Glezos > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <461A2906.4040208 at glezos.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > O/H Thomas Canniot ??????????: > > Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as > > got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning > > it conveys ? > > > >>From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the > > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears > > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. > > If lots of people, once they looked at the logo, *have* thought "ha, we repeat > what other people say", then we should reconsider it. To be honest, I haven't > thought about it until it was mentioned on the mailing list. Probably because > not all parrots talk and even then they only repeat words but don't mimic (eg. > actions). > > I'm sure all of us are open to any other ideas of animals with well-balanced > images (the penguin is one such example, which obviously, can't be used). > > -d > > > -- > Dimitris Glezos > Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B > http://dimitris.glezos.com/ > > "He who gives up functionality for ease of use > loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:10:44 -0400 > From: Matthew Miller > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <20070409131044.GA7885 at jadzia.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:32:15AM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the > > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears > > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful. > > Yeah, that's sure my first thought too. > > Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot? > What are we, a breakfast cereal? > > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:51:28 -0400 > From: M?ir?n Duffy > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <461A52F0.30808 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot? > > What are we, a breakfast cereal? > > It can't hurt to see what folks who think its a good idea come up with. > > ~m > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:58:05 -0400 > From: "Alex Maier" > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? > > A stray thought here: why not spend some time brainstorming some cool > goodies to produce, instead of the old tired t-shirts and caps? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:01:33 -0400 > From: M?ir?n Duffy > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <461A554D.6070509 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Alex Maier wrote: > > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? > > Linux has tux the penguin > BSD has chuck the demon guy > > Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners? > > Has Tux not been successful? > > ~m > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:05:25 -0400 > From: "Alex Maier" > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 4/9/07, M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > > > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > > > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? > > > > Linux has tux the penguin > > BSD has chuck the demon guy > > Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in > form of a cuddly stuffed doll. > > > Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners? > > I am simply saying that I do not see any reason to add a cuddly mascot > to our existing brand palette. > > > Has Tux not been successful? > > Very, and this discussion is proof. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:14:00 -0400 > From: M?ir?n Duffy > Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <461A5838.6050702 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Alex Maier wrote: > > On 4/9/07, M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> Alex Maier wrote: > >> > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to > >> > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who > >> > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote? > >> > >> Linux has tux the penguin > >> BSD has chuck the demon guy > > > > Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in > > form of a cuddly stuffed doll. > > And herein lies the problem. The licensing/etc issues around the logo > have made it such that it can be difficult for community members to > actually use it (eg Fedora art team) or even interpretations of it. > > For the community to create something that they made and own would be > nice, I think. And it's nice to have something cuddly to give out at > conference booths. Maybe I'm silly tho. > > ~m > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 6 > **************************************************** > ----- End Original Message ----- From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Apr 9 18:02:58 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:02:58 +0100 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> O/H M?ir?n Duffy ??????: > Alex Maier wrote: >> On 4/9/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Linux has tux the penguin >>> BSD has chuck the demon guy >> >> Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in >> form of a cuddly stuffed doll. Actually, both these are mascots, not logos. Linux doesn't even have a logo and FreeBSD just 2 years ago created a logo that resembles the daemon's head [1]. Linus himself describes the need for a mascot better in [2]. [1]:http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9605/1203.html [2]: http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ > And herein lies the problem. The licensing/etc issues around the logo > have made it such that it can be difficult for community members to > actually use it (eg Fedora art team) or even interpretations of it. > > For the community to create something that they made and own would be > nice, I think. And it's nice to have something cuddly to give out at > conference booths. Maybe I'm silly tho. Judging from how successful these mascots have been and how often they've been used in so many events and places, I'd say that our community (too) would get benefited from a mascot. If we do decide to go on with the mascot idea, the next logical step would be to announce a contest for mascot ideas in public (something like the OpenVideo contest [3]). I guess FAB should be notified before that. [3]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 18:37:39 2007 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:37:39 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270704091137t283cbf06p49712f84bd8687e2@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Linus himself describes the need for a mascot better in [2]. Linus knows his way around programming, but I have not known he had a Marketing or Design degree... > Judging from how successful these mascots have been and > how often they've been used in so many events and places, > I'd say that our community (too) would get benefited from a mascot. Just because others have them, doesn't mean we *need* one. What we need, is--as M?ir?n correctly noted--a community version of our logo, something anyone in the community can use and modify, for creation of wallpapers or promotional web pages, for example. A parrot does not get us any closer to a sane logo licensing situation. > If we do decide to go on with the mascot idea, the next logical step would be to > announce a contest for mascot ideas in public (something like the OpenVideo > contest [3]). I guess FAB should be notified before that. > > [3]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo I ran this contest together with Max and Mike and a few others, and the intention never was to create something reusable for generations to come. The idea was to engage the creative community and to promote open licenses and open media encoding formats. Design by committee is an oxymoron. Good taste has nothing to do with majority vote. Majority vote will reflect majority taste, but again, that's just me thinking out loud. /me goes to ponder why there is even a profession called "Designer" if we can vote. From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 9 18:51:08 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:51:08 -0400 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <7f617d270704091137t283cbf06p49712f84bd8687e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <7f617d270704091137t283cbf06p49712f84bd8687e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: >> Judging from how successful these mascots have been and >> how often they've been used in so many events and places, >> I'd say that our community (too) would get benefited from a mascot. > > Just because others have them, doesn't mean we *need* one. What we > need, is--as M?ir?n correctly noted--a community version of our logo, > something anyone in the community can use and modify, for creation of > wallpapers or promotional web pages, for example. > > A parrot does not get us any closer to a sane logo licensing situation. I think it would, if the parrot was recognized as a symbol of Fedora and community members could use it freely. You can't really trademark or copyright an animal or creature anyway. Logos are commonly trademarked and use particular fonts and have to look a particular way to be recognizable, but there are many many variations of Tux that are all recognizable and easily associated with Linux: - http://streetpc.free.fr/img/Tux.png - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Baby.tux-800x800.png/600px-Baby.tux-800x800.png - http://www.arabx.com.au/tux/ Obviously it would be nice if the Fedora logo could safely be released under a more open license but I certainly would *not* hold my breath waiting on copyright/trademark laws to be improved to a point where this is possible anytime soon. I know a number of very smart people are working on this but changes in this kind of policy take a long time. >> If we do decide to go on with the mascot idea, the next logical step >> would be to >> announce a contest for mascot ideas in public (something like the >> OpenVideo >> contest [3]). I guess FAB should be notified before that. >> >> [3]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo > > I ran this contest together with Max and Mike and a few others, and > the intention never was to create something reusable for generations > to come. The idea was to engage the creative community and to promote > open licenses and open media encoding formats. > > Design by committee is an oxymoron. Good taste has nothing to do with > majority vote. Majority vote will reflect majority taste, but again, > that's just me thinking out loud. How exactly is this design by committee? It's several folksworking together as a team; folks proposing ideas if they are not designers, and designers coming up with artwork based on the proposals they liked. I don't think there is anything inherently bad about designers working in a team (quite the contrary.) > /me goes to ponder why there is even a profession called "Designer" if > we can vote. I just don't understand this statement. I'm sorry. I don't see any esoteric 'voodoo' about design that makes it inherently a non-community activity (but I am truly sick of people saying it's so.) I agree that design by committee is bad but I also do not think this is design by committee. This is a bunch of folks working together and experimenting. ~m From fhornain at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 12:12:33 2007 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:33 +0200 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <7f617d270704091137t283cbf06p49712f84bd8687e2@mail.gmail.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0704100512p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Well, I know that I am not often on the mailing list but can I permit to give you my point of view ? In addition, I have red this post quite quickly so excuse me in advance if I missed some points. So, at first sight I would be more in accordance with what Alex said. I do not see any reason why we would need a mascot even if there is a lot of good reasons to create one and that the community want to create one - I respect that -. Ok, Linux has TUX and BSD has Chuck but have they others kind of logo ??? I have already difficulties to explain to people what Fedora is since the split with Red Hat Enterprise Distribution. How many time did I hear people asking what is the difference between Red Hat and Fedora or again Fedo.. what? So if in addition I have to explain that Fedora has one logo and one mascot.... Well, I do not believe that my next event will be easy. You see what I mean. :) You know what ? Keep it simple as much as possible. That is my advice. Nonetheless I have to admit a nice mascot could be useful for children but at the opposite it would have - I think - a not so good effect on companies and professional world. How many times in the past do you hear that Linux was a toy for students ??? OK, it is not the case anymore now. Fortunately ! Probably due to its logo representation and obviously a lack of knowledge from professionals about what this OS could do. Even if I have others argument I have to conclude - sorry for that but I do not have lot of time -. So for me, I think Fedora should keep its logo and should not have another logo or mascot. However it could be interesting to give one mascot to the Children designed Fedora distribution. I mean Sugar the OLPC OS. Let's hope that you understand me, I was not so direct and I did not hurt someone cause I respect what have been done here. Thanks for your comprehension. BR Fred On 4/9/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > >> Judging from how successful these mascots have been and > >> how often they've been used in so many events and places, > >> I'd say that our community (too) would get benefited from a mascot. > > > > Just because others have them, doesn't mean we *need* one. What we > > need, is--as M?ir?n correctly noted--a community version of our logo, > > something anyone in the community can use and modify, for creation of > > wallpapers or promotional web pages, for example. > > > > A parrot does not get us any closer to a sane logo licensing situation. > > I think it would, if the parrot was recognized as a symbol of Fedora and > community members could use it freely. You can't really trademark or > copyright an animal or creature anyway. Logos are commonly trademarked > and use particular fonts and have to look a particular way to be > recognizable, but there are many many variations of Tux that are all > recognizable and easily associated with Linux: > > - http://streetpc.free.fr/img/Tux.png > - > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Baby.tux-800x800.png/600px-Baby.tux-800x800.png > - http://www.arabx.com.au/tux/ > > Obviously it would be nice if the Fedora logo could safely be released > under a more open license but I certainly would *not* hold my breath > waiting on copyright/trademark laws to be improved to a point where this > is possible anytime soon. I know a number of very smart people are > working on this but changes in this kind of policy take a long time. > > >> If we do decide to go on with the mascot idea, the next logical step > >> would be to > >> announce a contest for mascot ideas in public (something like the > >> OpenVideo > >> contest [3]). I guess FAB should be notified before that. > >> > >> [3]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo > > > > I ran this contest together with Max and Mike and a few others, and > > the intention never was to create something reusable for generations > > to come. The idea was to engage the creative community and to promote > > open licenses and open media encoding formats. > > > > Design by committee is an oxymoron. Good taste has nothing to do with > > majority vote. Majority vote will reflect majority taste, but again, > > that's just me thinking out loud. > > How exactly is this design by committee? It's several folksworking > together as a team; folks proposing ideas if they are not designers, and > designers coming up with artwork based on the proposals they liked. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 16:34:59 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:34:59 +0200 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> Thank you. I would to see this. Francesco Ugolini Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=673&num=1 > > A few screenshots for the people that haven't seen it. > > I'm still trying to get it to work using vmware on fedora core 6. > Hopefully by tommorow morning I'll get it sorted. > > Enjoy the shots. > > > Marc > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Apr 10 18:02:31 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:02:31 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <3161376e0704100512p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e0704100512 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> Frederic Hornain escribi?: > > Dear *, > > > > Well, I know that I am not often on the mailing list but can I permit > to give you my point of view ? > > In addition, I have red this post quite quickly so excuse me in > advance if I missed some points. > > > > So, at first sight I would be more in accordance with what Alex said. > > I do not see any reason why we would need a mascot even if there is a > lot of good reasons to create one and that the community want to > create one - I respect that -. > > Ok, Linux has TUX and BSD has Chuck but have they others kind of logo ??? > > > > I have already difficulties to explain to people what Fedora is since > the split with Red Hat Enterprise Distribution. > > How many time did I hear people asking what is the difference between > Red Hat and Fedora or again Fedo.. what? > > So if in addition I have to explain that Fedora has one logo and one > mascot.... > > Well, I do not believe that my next event will be easy. You see what I > mean. :) > > You know what ? Keep it simple as much as possible. That is my advice. > > > > Nonetheless I have to admit a nice mascot could be useful for children > but at the opposite it would have - I think - a not so good effect on > companies and professional world. > > > > How many times in the past do you hear that Linux was a toy for > students ??? > > OK, it is not the case anymore now. Fortunately ! > > Probably due to its logo representation and obviously a lack of > knowledge from professionals about what this OS could do. > > > > Even if I have others argument I have to conclude - sorry for that but > I do not have lot of time -. > > So for me, I think Fedora should keep its logo and should not > have another logo or mascot. > > However it could be interesting to give one mascot to the > Children designed Fedora distribution. > > I mean Sugar the OLPC OS. > > Let's hope that you understand me, I was not so direct and I did not > hurt someone cause I respect what have been done here. > > Thanks for your comprehension. > > > > BR > > Fred > > > I really do understand many of the detractors of the mascot idea. however there's one little tiny bit that I believe is missing: Fedora being the community project it is, and due to the issue with "parent company" Red Hat which has for all purposes depleted of meaning the word "Fedora" (which originally meant a kind of hat, specifically the "Red Hat" hat, had to find a "new meaning", hence the quest for the Logo. However the Logo is so heavily protected that it is pretty much useless for any "fan art"... and last I heard Fedora wasn't meant for corporations to adopt, nor is it intended for production machines (desktops or servers) despite of its capabilities. Is Fedora capable of being a good corporate desktop machine? Is Fedora capable of being an excellent workstation (for media content creation, development, etc)? Is Fedora capable of being a good and stable server? To all the previous questions the answer is "YES", but "Was it intended to be used as such in a production environment?" To that question, and take however you like, the answer is "NO". So, Fedora is still a community project, but the community is limited on what we can do with the Logo and there's only so much you can do with it, anyway... Hence the "need" for a mascot. Just like the Logo is a graphic representation of the *Fedora* "Concept" (remember the word has been depleted of its original meaning), which is rigid in nature and is jealously protected (as it means brand and product association), a "mascot" is a "friendlier" and if you will "freer" (now that would be a pun for the "meaning" of the Logo) graphic representation of the "values", "characteristics", "features", etc of a product/brand, in this case, Fedora. And since we'll never be able to use the real meaning of the word ever again (i.e. a hat) for "official" project's graphics, and the current use guidelines of the Logo are so restrictive, and because people *do* want to be able to manipulate and pour some of each artist' personality into it, a mascot is indeed "needed". Fedora is not a corporate OS, it may be the foundation of one (like RHEL), but it is *not* intended to be one by itself. It can morph into great many things, but its main purpose remains to be a cutting edge community project. So when people asks "What is Fedora [Linux]?" despite of the mascot or the Logo or the lack thereof of any of those... You can only say "It is a community cutting edge GNU/Linux project"... I don't think that's too hard to grasp, unless you need to go explaining "What a community GNU/Linux project" is. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 10 22:45:45 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:15:45 +0530 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e0704100512 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > I really do understand many of the detractors of the mascot idea. > however there's one little tiny bit that I believe is missing: Fedora > being the community project it is, and due to the issue with "parent > company" Red Hat which has for all purposes depleted of meaning the word > "Fedora" (which originally meant a kind of hat, specifically the "Red > Hat" hat, had to find a "new meaning", hence the quest for the Logo. > However the Logo is so heavily protected that it is pretty much useless > for any "fan art"... and last I heard Fedora wasn't meant for > corporations to adopt, nor is it intended for production machines > (desktops or servers) despite of its capabilities. Is Fedora capable of > being a good corporate desktop machine? Is Fedora capable of being an > excellent workstation (for media content creation, development, etc)? Is > Fedora capable of being a good and stable server? To all the previous > questions the answer is "YES", but "Was it intended to be used as such > in a production environment?" To that question, and take however you > like, the answer is "NO". Why? http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/177220 I don't think we need to be judgmental about the role Fedora plays in any end user system. Rahul From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 23:07:29 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:07:29 +0200 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I am running F7 test 3 at the moment. I can recommend anybody to do that and help filing bug reports. There is an installable live-cd image available (around 700MB) so it'll cost you only a cd and a limited download. This is a bit of a new thing for Fedora so it's good to pay some attention to it. It's only test 3, but it looks good already. And I don't mean "looks" looks. Some near-freezes, some glitches, but nothing unusable so far. Compiz and SCIM work out of the box, firewall and SELinux are extremely easily configurable, the fresh Gnome 2.18 menu is logical and easy to use, and there are loads of updates, that are now reporting themselves automatically to the desktop user on the menu bar. Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a bit nicer default fonts. This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great again. herman 2007/4/10, Francesco Ugolini : > > Thank you. I would to see this. > > Francesco Ugolini > > Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=673&num=1 > > > > A few screenshots for the people that haven't seen it. > > > > I'm still trying to get it to work using vmware on fedora core 6. > > Hopefully by tommorow morning I'll get it sorted. > > > > Enjoy the shots. > > > > > > Marc > > > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some near-freezes, some glitches, but nothing unusable so far. > > Compiz and SCIM work out of the box, firewall and SELinux are extremely > easily configurable, the fresh Gnome 2.18 menu is logical and easy to > use, and there are loads of updates, that are now reporting themselves > automatically to the desktop user on the menu bar. > > Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a > bit nicer default fonts. > This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great again. Fedora and Ubuntu pretty much use the same fonts. What's there to steal? Rahul Ps: Avoid top posting. From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 23:53:38 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:53:38 +0200 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <461C1F59.4060208@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <461C1F59.4060208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2007/4/11, Rahul Sundaram : > > Herman Meester wrote: > > I am running F7 test 3 at the moment. > > I can recommend anybody to do that and help filing bug reports. > > > > There is an installable live-cd image available (around 700MB) so it'll > > cost you only a cd and a limited download. > > This is a bit of a new thing for Fedora so it's good to pay some > > attention to it. > > It's only test 3, but it looks good already. And I don't mean "looks" > > looks. Some near-freezes, some glitches, but nothing unusable so far. > > > > Compiz and SCIM work out of the box, firewall and SELinux are extremely > > easily configurable, the fresh Gnome 2.18 menu is logical and easy to > > use, and there are loads of updates, that are now reporting themselves > > automatically to the desktop user on the menu bar. > > > > Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a > > bit nicer default fonts. > > This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great > again. > > Fedora and Ubuntu pretty much use the same fonts. What's there to steal? In FF, I forgot to add that. But it's nothing really, just forget I said that. So let's all run that Test 3 now shall we? ;) Rahul > > Ps: Avoid top posting. Excuse me, that wasn't on purpose. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Apr 11 03:44:52 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:44:52 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e070410051 2 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Why? That has been the attitude from quite a bit of people, starting by the devs, Red Hat and others. I don't mean that Fedora is a bad system (by any means!! totally opposite!) it is an excellent home OS and home server where tasks are less critical, and due to the amount of updates released for it, it is a great Desktop system, but a lousy server for mission critical and key components on production servers (due to downtimes related to the amount of updates). I fought the idea of Fedora being relegated at first, but I've grown to understand why that is so... Maybe, and just maybe, we should market Fedora as an excellent home OS alternative (much more reliable than many others, and gives a LOT of home users a truly FREE [as in "gratis" and "liberty"] alternative platform). I'm sure Fedora would make also a GREAT corporate Workstation and Desktop OS, but due to its short life-cycle, it is kind of difficult keeping up, plus the overhead on IT staff for massive upgrades to the next version. Even with the extended life-expectancy of a Fedora system (IIRC it is now 13 months from release) it is still too short for a company with more than 50 desktops to maintain and migrate every 13 months, it'd add too much of an overhead for the IT staff. Also there's the whole "community project" side of things, and how Fedora is slowly evolving into being "parent" to RHEL (more than a crash test dummy), this positions Fedora (and I really hate to say this, but I certainly don't know how else to word it) much like Debian (please don't hate me for this), in that of the role it is taking as a community project, philosophy, guidelines, etc. They're too much alike in this regard (the /implementation/ is different, yes, but the two projects share a lot of common grounds). However there are some key differences (as well) as there are different "branches" in Debian, to which Fedora resembles "sid" the most, i.e. an "unstable" tree (though Fedora is considered to be "stable", the unstable tree is "Rawhide") I don't want to take much deeper this comparison between the two, because as similar as they may be they're also fundamentally different, and it wouldn't be fair for either project to maintain the comparison. The point was in regards to the community and the branches, and how "stable" Debian remains, compared to Fedora (i.e. longer release cycle for the "stable" tree, which is why [amongst other things] it is so widely deployed in servers), which is the main argument for a lot of "production environments" to reject Fedora in favor for RHEL or CentOS or another more "stable" distro, in the understanding here that by "stable" I mean a slower paced evolution and longer product life. Fedora typically is supported for the lifespan of the "current" release (which ever it is) for the first ~6 months of its life, and as the immediately prior release, during the lifespan of the next release, before the cycle repeats itself, which gives roughly ~12 months of support for each individual release (rounded at |3, IIRC). Fedora Legacy (which if I'm mistaken is going to be withdrawn) was supposed to give further support for previous releases, but for a number of factors this apparently is not going to happen. > > http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/177220 > > I don't think we need to be judgmental about the role Fedora plays in > any end user system. > > Rahul Thanks for the link, much appreciated. I remember reading this interview back in the day, and I know that Max is working hard in trying to erase the "stigmas" of Fedora, and believe me, I *do* share his points... Until the real world steps in... But as he himself says, nothing is set in stone in Fedora, and it will evolve, maybe it will do so that it may even be embraced in production environments (and I do believe it has what it takes to do so)... the question is "Do the people responsible of decision making for such environments agree?" I hope that in time, they will... maybe deploying Fedora boxes for non-mission critical tasks, etc. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 03:58:42 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:28:42 +0530 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e070410051 2 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <461C5CF2.2030000@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Rahul Sundaram escribi?: >> Why? > > That has been the attitude from quite a bit of people, starting by the > devs, Red Hat and others. I don't mean that Fedora is a bad system (by > any means!! totally opposite!) it is an excellent home OS and home > server where tasks are less critical, and due to the amount of updates > released for it, it is a great Desktop system, but a lousy server for > mission critical and key components on production servers (due to > downtimes related to the amount of updates). I fought the idea of Fedora > being relegated at first, but I've grown to understand why that is so... > Maybe, and just maybe, we should market Fedora as an excellent home OS > alternative (much more reliable than many others, and gives a LOT of > home users a truly FREE [as in "gratis" and "liberty"] alternative > platform). I'm sure Fedora would make also a GREAT corporate Workstation > and Desktop OS, but due to its short life-cycle, it is kind of difficult > keeping up, plus the overhead on IT staff for massive upgrades to the > next version. Even with the extended life-expectancy of a Fedora system > (IIRC it is now 13 months from release) it is still too short for a > company with more than 50 desktops to maintain and migrate every 13 > months, it'd add too much of an overhead for the IT staff. I had deployed over 100 desktops in Fedora working for my previous company and they are happy using it. Me and many other colleagues and various organizations and individuals are relying on Fedora for their day to day needs which by my definition are production boxes. You are just jumping to conclusions. . The point was in > regards to the community and the branches, and how "stable" Debian > remains, compared to Fedora (i.e. longer release cycle for the "stable" > tree, which is why [amongst other things] it is so widely deployed in > servers), which is the main argument for a lot of "production > environments" to reject Fedora in favor for RHEL or CentOS or another > more "stable" distro, in the understanding here that by "stable" I mean > a slower paced evolution and longer product life. You mean robust here. However people do install and prefer a Linux box with faster updates for certain types of servers and systems. In FUDCon Boston a end user was arguing passionately that Fedora is what he preferred to install in his server boxes due to his unique needs in HPC (High Performance Clustering) environment. > Thanks for the link, much appreciated. I remember reading this interview > back in the day, and I know that Max is working hard in trying to erase > the "stigmas" of Fedora, and believe me, I *do* share his points... > Until the real world steps in... But as he himself says, nothing is set > in stone in Fedora, and it will evolve, maybe it will do so that it may > even be embraced in production environments (and I do believe it has > what it takes to do so)... the question is "Do the people responsible of > decision making for such environments agree?" It is not our decision and unless we really know all the various factors, we would not able to make any guesses on whether it is a responsible decision or not. Your generalized claim is just not true in many cases. Our job is to produce the best possible system within the constraints of our time and resources to meet our objectives. Not to be judgmental about how it is being used or deployed. Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Apr 11 04:27:06 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:27:06 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461C5CF2.2030000@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e070410051 2 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> <461C5CF2.2030000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461C639A.3080004@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: >>> Why? >> >> That has been the attitude from quite a bit of people, starting by >> the devs, Red Hat and others. I don't mean that Fedora is a bad >> system (by any means!! totally opposite!) it is an excellent home OS >> and home server where tasks are less critical, and due to the amount >> of updates released for it, it is a great Desktop system, but a lousy >> server for mission critical and key components on production servers >> (due to downtimes related to the amount of updates). I fought the >> idea of Fedora being relegated at first, but I've grown to understand >> why that is so... Maybe, and just maybe, we should market Fedora as >> an excellent home OS alternative (much more reliable than many >> others, and gives a LOT of home users a truly FREE [as in "gratis" >> and "liberty"] alternative platform). I'm sure Fedora would make also >> a GREAT corporate Workstation and Desktop OS, but due to its short >> life-cycle, it is kind of difficult keeping up, plus the overhead on >> IT staff for massive upgrades to the next version. Even with the >> extended life-expectancy of a Fedora system (IIRC it is now 13 months >> from release) it is still too short for a company with more than 50 >> desktops to maintain and migrate every 13 months, it'd add too much >> of an overhead for the IT staff. > > I had deployed over 100 desktops in Fedora working for my previous > company and they are happy using it. Me and many other colleagues and > various organizations and individuals are relying on Fedora for their > day to day needs which by my definition are production boxes. You are > just jumping to conclusions. Sadly, no... That's the reality I've faced. I'm glad some companies are willing to embrace Fedora for their desktops and server, I sure am, maybe I've just not had the luck to see/work with them. What I've seen is companies willing to try Linux and so in much the same way they use Windows (i.e. with the assurance of service and support, which RHEL offers), a lot turn their backs on Fedora (or simply overlook). Surprisingly enough, I've seen quite a bit of Deiban deployments with the argument of it having a longer lifespan than Fedora (go figure... but who am I to argue with a decision maker who's already made his mind? Especially when I have nothing to do in the process) > > . The point was in >> regards to the community and the branches, and how "stable" Debian >> remains, compared to Fedora (i.e. longer release cycle for the >> "stable" tree, which is why [amongst other things] it is so widely >> deployed in servers), which is the main argument for a lot of >> "production environments" to reject Fedora in favor for RHEL or >> CentOS or another more "stable" distro, in the understanding here >> that by "stable" I mean a slower paced evolution and longer product >> life. > > You mean robust here. However people do install and prefer a Linux box > with faster updates for certain types of servers and systems. In > FUDCon Boston a end user was arguing passionately that Fedora is what > he preferred to install in his server boxes due to his unique needs in > HPC (High Performance Clustering) environment. Yes, maybe that's the word I was looking for. Thanks for the clarification. > >> Thanks for the link, much appreciated. I remember reading this >> interview back in the day, and I know that Max is working hard in >> trying to erase the "stigmas" of Fedora, and believe me, I *do* share >> his points... Until the real world steps in... But as he himself >> says, nothing is set in stone in Fedora, and it will evolve, maybe it >> will do so that it may even be embraced in production environments >> (and I do believe it has what it takes to do so)... the question is >> "Do the people responsible of decision making for such environments >> agree?" > > It is not our decision and unless we really know all the various > factors, we would not able to make any guesses on whether it is a > responsible decision or not. Your generalized claim is just not true > in many cases. I do realize that my claim isn't general (and I'm glad it is not) I was only talking about personal experience, nothing more. I don't mean to be judgmental, rather pass on what arguments have been given to me. If anything the consequence here is that there has not been enough Linux penetration in the corporate arena, and that more information about Linux is needed. Which means also a marketing opportunity for Fedora. > > Our job is to produce the best possible system within the constraints > of our time and resources to meet our objectives. Not to be judgmental > about how it is being used or deployed. > > Rahul > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 04:30:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:00:10 +0530 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461C639A.3080004@prodigy.net.mx> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e070410051 2 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> <461C5CF2.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <461C639A.3080004@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <461C6452.50403@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I do realize that my claim isn't general (and I'm glad it is not) I was > only talking about personal experience, nothing more. I don't mean to be > judgmental, rather pass on what arguments have been given to me. My point is that you are extrapolating your experiences into a statement that Fedora cannot be used in production environments. Production environment does not necessarily equate to a longer life cycle. If folks want a longer lifecycle in Fedora, our answer should be sign up and contribute. It is a matter of resources and not design. A mascot should be based on design specified in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives and not on the current implementation. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 05:20:14 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:50:14 +0530 Subject: The Visual History of Fedora Message-ID: <461C700E.5090503@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Fedora began as Fedora Core, which was sponsored by Red Hat and was (and still is) developed largely by the community. Unlike Ubuntu that is including a variety of binary blobs, Fedora contains only free and open-source software. Due to the integration of Fedora Core and Fedora Extras with version 7, the Linux distribution will be properly known as Fedora." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=678&num=1 Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Apr 11 08:01:25 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <24333.192.54.193.51.1176278485.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 11 avril 2007 01:07, Herman Meester a ?crit : > Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a bit > nicer default fonts. > This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great again. Do you mind the font chosen or the way it's rendered? F7T3 has a semi-broken freetype version. As far as I know we're using DejaVu (LGC variant) as default, and Ubuntu is making the same choice. -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Apr 11 08:02:48 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <461C1F59.4060208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <30086.192.54.193.51.1176278568.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 11 avril 2007 01:53, Herman Meester a ?crit : > In FF, I forgot to add that. > But it's nothing really, just forget I said that. Please open a FF bug for caillon :) -- Nicolas Mailhot From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:28:23 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:28:23 +0200 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> Hi Herman On 4/11/07, Herman Meester wrote: > > I am running F7 test 3 at the moment. > I can recommend anybody to do that and help filing bug reports. please give me the F7T3 download link, thanks There is an installable live-cd image available (around 700MB) so it'll cost > you only a cd and a limited download. > This is a bit of a new thing for Fedora so it's good to pay some attention > to it. > It's only test 3, but it looks good already. And I don't mean "looks" > looks. Some near-freezes, some glitches, but nothing unusable so far. > > Compiz and SCIM work out of the box, firewall and SELinux are extremely > easily configurable, the fresh Gnome 2.18 menu is logical and easy to use, > and there are loads of updates, that are now reporting themselves > automatically to the desktop user on the menu bar. > > Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a bit > nicer default fonts. > This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great again. > > herman > > 2007/4/10, Francesco Ugolini : > > > > Thank you. I would to see this. > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=673&num=1 > > > > > > A few screenshots for the people that haven't seen it. > > > > > > I'm still trying to get it to work using vmware on fedora core 6. > > > Hopefully by tommorow morning I'll get it sorted. > > > > > > Enjoy the shots. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > -- > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bogo at spisanie.com Wed Apr 11 08:31:13 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:31:13 +0300 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461C9CD1.8070707@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi Herman > > On 4/11/07, Herman Meester wrote: >> >> I am running F7 test 3 at the moment. >> I can recommend anybody to do that and help filing bug reports. > > > please give me the F7T3 download link, thanks http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ > > There is an installable live-cd image available (around 700MB) so it'll > cost >> you only a cd and a limited download. >> This is a bit of a new thing for Fedora so it's good to pay some >> attention >> to it. >> It's only test 3, but it looks good already. And I don't mean "looks" >> looks. Some near-freezes, some glitches, but nothing unusable so far. >> >> Compiz and SCIM work out of the box, firewall and SELinux are extremely >> easily configurable, the fresh Gnome 2.18 menu is logical and easy to >> use, >> and there are loads of updates, that are now reporting themselves >> automatically to the desktop user on the menu bar. >> >> Only thing that I still wish Fedora could steal from, say, Ubuntu is a >> bit >> nicer default fonts. >> This is still test 3, so let's help turn F7 RC into something great >> again. >> >> herman >> >> 2007/4/10, Francesco Ugolini : >> > >> > Thank you. I would to see this. >> > >> > Francesco Ugolini >> > >> > Marc Wiriadisastra ha scritto: >> > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=673&num=1 >> > > >> > > A few screenshots for the people that haven't seen it. >> > > >> > > I'm still trying to get it to work using vmware on fedora core 6. >> > > Hopefully by tommorow morning I'll get it sorted. >> > > >> > > Enjoy the shots. >> > > >> > > >> > > Marc >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHJzRvnZHkQPM91ARAq+zAJ0XUaClAWOickBKrtIXJjnMDzXgnQCfZbzH S5ir3tCX8aWmnWoMPbEU4Dg= =WaO8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:57:42 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:57:42 +0200 Subject: Phoronix - FC 7 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176222760.3408.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <461BBCB3.70206@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704110128mf5be2c3ka3222c2758a60e94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2007/4/11, Nayyar Ahmad : > > Hi Herman > > On 4/11/07, Herman Meester wrote: > > > > I am running F7 test 3 at the moment. > > I can recommend anybody to do that and help filing bug reports. > > > please give me the F7T3 download link, thanks > http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/f7-test3-live-i386.torrent Have fun testing! There are, of course, bugs, so do run all the updates after installing. Then there will still be bugs. :) But no major crashes yet. With me, BTW, Linux 2.6.20-1.3054.fc7 experienced a kernel panic at booting. Use the ~.3023 version instead, so far. regards, herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bogo at spisanie.com Wed Apr 11 09:04:41 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:04:41 +0300 Subject: print materials Message-ID: <461CA4A9.5060504@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Is there any designs for print materials about Fedora? Regards - -- Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Sofia, Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.com bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHKSpvnZHkQPM91ARAiC0AJ9qqUYuPqNWTpM90E3WnTGTqO1dDwCfX8G+ //nRC49avjxHbptCcmXYTyM= =RLZf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Apr 11 15:54:57 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:54:57 -0500 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461C6452.50403@fedoraproject.org> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <"7f617d27070409080 5w5eafc84enb07b 6de5914839ad"@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <461A7FD2.30405@glezos.com> <461A8B1C.9070408@redhat.com> <"3161376e070410051 2 p7370d5f9i8317713a9fc0e5e"@mail.gmail.com> <461BD137.4070800@prodigy.net.mx> <461C1399.1030205@fedoraproject.org> <461C59B4.40303@prodigy.net.mx> <461C5CF2.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <461C639A.3080004@prodigy.net.mx> <461C6452.50403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461D04D1.9050200@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> I do realize that my claim isn't general (and I'm glad it is not) I >> was only talking about personal experience, nothing more. I don't >> mean to be judgmental, rather pass on what arguments have been given >> to me. > > My point is that you are extrapolating your experiences into a > statement that Fedora cannot be used in production environments. > Production environment does not necessarily equate to a longer life > cycle. > > If folks want a longer lifecycle in Fedora, our answer should be sign > up and contribute. It is a matter of resources and not design. A > mascot should be based on design specified in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives and not on the current > implementation. > > Rahul > Anything that might make Fedora even greater. I'd love to see it everywhere. Thanks for your input, it served quite a bit for me to realize Fedora is actually being used by others in production environments, that in itself is very handy to know. From nushio at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 19:06:23 2007 From: nushio at fedoraproject.org (Juan Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: print materials In-Reply-To: <461CA4A9.5060504@spisanie.com> References: <461CA4A9.5060504@spisanie.com> Message-ID: On 4/11/07, Bogomil Bogo Shopov wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > Is there any designs for print materials about Fedora? > > Regards > > - -- > Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov > Fedora Ambassador > Sofia, Bulgaria > > +359 897 61 51 28 > bogomil at fedoraproject.com > bogo at spisanie.com > > jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org > profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov > > - --- > Knowledge belongs to all > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGHKSpvnZHkQPM91ARAiC0AJ9qqUYuPqNWTpM90E3WnTGTqO1dDwCfX8G+ > //nRC49avjxHbptCcmXYTyM= > =RLZf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Sure! The Fedora Project website has a list of Banners and printeable documents available at this location. Posters and Banners are available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners While CD Art is available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt -- Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Freelance Software Developer & Designer Fedora Ambassador Key fingerprint = 6201 742D 1092 92BF FB1E 3310 4731 5C14 520E 0258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Apr 12 02:23:03 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:23:03 -0700 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] Message-ID: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> In the article referenced below there is an (implied) call to action for Fedora: "One might well wonder why certain Fedora users feel the need to repeat these complaints so often. Perhaps the project is not doing an adequate job of communicating what it is trying to do. One assumes that, if people understood what Fedora is, they would not complain about it not being something it can never be." Is this true? What are we doing to get this message out? What can we do better? Etc. I can blog all I want, but if it's only the choir who is reading, then what? -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Matt Domsch Check out LWN.net for today's weekly edition. Subscribers (and I do encourage folks to subscribe) will find it interesting. Non-subscribers should look at this: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/230042/5181766fe793aa6b/ -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One assumes that, if > people understood what Fedora is, they would not complain about it not > being something it can never be." > > Is this true? > > What are we doing to get this message out? > > What can we do better? > > Etc. > > I can blog all I want, but if it's only the choir who is reading, then > what? > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Matt Domsch > > Check out LWN.net for today's weekly edition. Subscribers (and I do > encourage folks to subscribe) will find it interesting. Non-subscribers > should look at this: > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/230042/5181766fe793aa6b/ > > > - I think we spread the word enough its just people choose not to listen. Without actually placing it on their desktop and making a user click 'I understand this contains no propietary software' I don't know what else needs to be done. Is there enough information relating to fedora as to how to bypass the propietary codecs etc.. and use open source alternatives? 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Can we also make them click "I wouldn't be installing this distribution if I didn't want to upgrade it at least every other release, now would I?" -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 04:13:32 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:43:32 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karsten Wade wrote: > In the article referenced below there is an (implied) call to action for > Fedora: > > "One might well wonder why certain Fedora users feel the need to repeat > these complaints so often. Perhaps the project is not doing an adequate > job of communicating what it is trying to do. One assumes that, if > people understood what Fedora is, they would not complain about it not > being something it can never be." I would tend to believe that is more the result of a tradeoff between convenience and sticking to a distribution's moral and/or ethical standpoint. For example, till the time Intel Graphics cards became the flavor of the month the company was clubbed in the same evil circle as NVidia or even ATI. But with time and sufficient effort invested by Intel and the distributions, things have changed. This means that an average home user can be asked to get a system that provides reasonable bling and yet not have to install binary bl0bs to get them. A tendency to howl in pain saying "Fedora sucks" had been around since the time the mp3 support was withdrawn. The "blame Fedora" is more to do with "it works in F00 Distribution so why can't you". The only way to counter this is perhaps keep on spreading the message through as many means we can - blogs, Ambassadors being among the well trod ones. :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHbHsXQZpNTcrCzMRAkinAKCUFFH/51693gsGORIWTvcgq8STpgCfX3lt 0MKia613huTeGT4MEngkj1I= =53KX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Thu Apr 12 07:05:59 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:05:59 -0700 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 10:44 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I think we spread the word enough its just people choose not to listen. > Without actually placing it on their desktop and making a user click 'I > understand this contains no propietary software' I don't know what else > needs to be done. Codec Buddy is a great step/improvement here. I like the idea of confronting the situation head-on, proactively. Pages on the Wiki and pointing at them after someone complains is reactive. Now I want a t-shirt that says: "Fedora - protect yourself from mental slavery" > Is there enough information relating to fedora as to how to bypass the > propietary codecs etc.. and use open source alternatives? Nope. What can we do for people? What can we offer them that is useful? * Hosted app that converts FOO format into Ogg * More original content in Ogg format * Cross-platform Ogg playing from Firefox * Approach recording artists who might be sympathetic (sort of like Cory Doctorow is for writing) * Others? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Magnatune, Jamendo etc...I thought the new default home page in FC6 was a great step in the right direction and it could possibly be extended to include this sort of information. > * Cross-platform Ogg playing from Firefox That would be awesome :D > * Approach recording artists who might be sympathetic (sort of like Cory > Doctorow is for writing) People like Barenaked Ladies you'd think would be interested, who even released their latest album on Amie Street. Like you were all saying though, I'm not sure what more Fedora can do to make it's objectives clear, will keep thinking... Jon From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 13:13:16 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:13:16 +0200 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2007/4/12, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > In the article referenced below there is an (implied) call to action for > > Fedora: > > > > "One might well wonder why certain Fedora users feel the need to repeat > > these complaints so often. Perhaps the project is not doing an adequate > > job of communicating what it is trying to do. One assumes that, if > > people understood what Fedora is, they would not complain about it not > > being something it can never be." > > I would tend to believe that is more the result of a tradeoff between > convenience and sticking to a distribution's moral and/or ethical > standpoint. For example, till the time Intel Graphics cards became the > flavor of the month the company was clubbed in the same evil circle as > NVidia or even ATI. But with time and sufficient effort invested by > Intel and the distributions, things have changed. This means that an > average home user can be asked to get a system that provides reasonable > bling and yet not have to install binary bl0bs to get them. > > A tendency to howl in pain saying "Fedora sucks" had been around since > the time the mp3 support was withdrawn. The "blame Fedora" is more to do > with "it works in F00 Distribution so why can't you". The only way to > counter this is perhaps keep on spreading the message through as many > means we can - blogs, Ambassadors being among the well trod ones. > > :Sankarshan Some people are ready for Fedora/Linux, others just want an alternative for Windows. I can't understand why people keep *demanding* things like binary blobs to work out of the box. Let's tell these people, this is free software. Are you ready for it? If not, what are you complaining about? Codec Buddy is more than enough. Or is Fedora as desperate as Ubuntu to get as many users it can possibly have? I don't think/hope so. And I don't think Fedora will benefit from that. Yes, I admit, I did install Flash 9 on my F7 test 3 machine. Suprisingly, Firefox 2 now installs, even on Linux, Flash 9 when you click on the "missing plugin - download plugin" button. I tried that just to check, and it even worked. No way to escape the proprietary anyway. ;) So let the users install whatever they want on their systems, as long as Fedora can be 'shipped' as 100% free (as in speech) software. rgrdz, Herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rerushg at homexpressway.net Thu Apr 12 13:42:45 2007 From: rerushg at homexpressway.net (rerushg at homexpressway.net) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: expanding Fedora user base Message-ID: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> I've followed these marketing discussions for a couple of months now. I've been into Linux for about 4 months now. I'm older, single parent, got two teenagers, a business and a total of 4 machines to think about. I love Fedora; after looking at a number of distributions I consider it to be the premier distribution. And it appeals to the "geeky" side of my nature. Unfortunately, I just don't know that I have time for it. The reasons are the ones that you've heard a million times before: "lab rat", "crash test dummy", too many kernal changes. Now to turn to my marketing and sales experience: I've got a pretty good idea of what Fedora is. Question is: Where's it going? Here are some observations from listening here and hanging around the forums. 1. Fedora will remain developmental. Seems to be fundamental to management's mission. 2. Fedora is not "warm and fuzzy" to newbies. I really love the parrot but efforts toward a masot may lead to a sense of "misrepresentation" by newcomers. Not a good long-term strategy. Further, I think the marketing team has done a great job of differentiating Fedora from the rest of the distros. You don't want to give that away. 3. What's happening in Linux is fantastic and important. I know of no other international, cross-cultural effort that's produced such positive results. All involved should be proud and work to preserve it. 4. It's probably going to explode across the world. You've been "under the radar" so far. As you get larger you'll likely attract a lot of intention from big business that tries to own everything. Staying legally "clean" is imperative. 5. With expansion things will change. The newer folks on the team want to run with that. Maybe some of the older guys are not so sure; maybe they're content that it stay in their private world. Of course I don't know all your issues. I'm an outsider looking in but here's a loose suggestion. With expansion (if that's what you want) will come an expanded workload for everyone. Go ahead and organize that into defined entities. Perhaps you could split off FC6 (or FC7) as a separate entity. It's clearly powerful enough as it stands. Freeze the kernal. Give it its own site, documentation, and forum. Make it simple. Make it clean. Make it work all the time. Find community members who are willing and able to support the concept. Turn them loose on the "warm and fuzzy" stuff and the tools that newer users want and need. Make it sort of an "entry level Fedora" (bad choice of words but you get the idea). Now that's not a misrepresentation. It imparts new users with the idea: "Whoa! This is the most powerful distro out there and they've got even hotter stuff coming." Enough said. Good luck. Rick Rushing President Liberty Rubber Co., Inc. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 13:46:14 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:16:14 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704120021u3ed51331l7eb7740abe2f8e09@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <3263b11b0704120021u3ed51331l7eb7740abe2f8e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461E3826.2080707@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Nope. What can we do for people? What can we offer them that is >> useful? >> >> * More original content in Ogg format > > There's already *loads* of original content in Ogg, maybe Fedora could > point them in the direction of some of it? Magnatune, Jamendo etc...I > thought the new default home page in FC6 was a great step in the right > direction and it could possibly be extended to include this sort of > information. We already are planning to. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Bookmarks Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Thu Apr 12 13:48:33 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <1175890198.2529.285.camel@einstein> <8e1ee2a30704070851p442f3f61j949734df0065a2da@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > And herein lies the problem. The licensing/etc issues around the logo have > made it such that it can be difficult for community members to actually > use it (eg Fedora art team) or even interpretations of it. > > For the community to create something that they made and own would be > nice, I think. And it's nice to have something cuddly to give out at > conference booths. Maybe I'm silly tho. I have worked with lawyers for a very long time to help secure broader usage terms for the Fedora logo. For various reasons, I haven't been successful. If the community comes up with a mark that *they* own, and that mark is a good mark that a lot of people like, then I'm 100% for it. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Apr 12 16:29:47 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:29:47 +0100 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <461E3826.2080707@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <3263b11b0704120021u3ed51331l7eb7740abe2f8e09@mail.gmail.com> <461E3826.2080707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704120929p56f913a3yd3ed509540e3e068@mail.gmail.com> On 12/04/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Nope. What can we do for people? What can we offer them that is > >> useful? > >> > >> * More original content in Ogg format > > > > There's already *loads* of original content in Ogg, maybe Fedora could > > point them in the direction of some of it? Magnatune, Jamendo etc...I > > thought the new default home page in FC6 was a great step in the right > > direction and it could possibly be extended to include this sort of > > information. > > We already are planning to. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Bookmarks > Looks cool :D I was wondering about putting a link directly on the home page perhaps?! Or is that outside of the plans for the homepage? Just thought it would give them the greatest possible encouragement to discover all the free content that is out there and can be enjoyed in ogg etc... Jon > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 17:23:07 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:53:07 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704120929p56f913a3yd3ed509540e3e068@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <3263b11b0704120021u3ed51331l7eb7740abe2f8e09@mail.gmail.com> <461E3826.2080707@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0704120929p56f913a3yd3ed509540e3e068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461E6AFB.7000405@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Looks cool :D I was wondering about putting a link directly on the > home page perhaps?! Or is that outside of the plans for the homepage? I think so. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 18:58:06 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:28:06 +0530 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> Message-ID: <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> rerushg at homexpressway.net wrote: > > Now to turn to my marketing and sales experience: > I've got a pretty good idea of what Fedora is. Question is: Where's it > going? Here are some observations from listening here and hanging around > the forums. > > 1. Fedora will remain developmental. Seems to be fundamental to > management's mission. What do you mean by "developmental"? > 2. Fedora is not "warm and fuzzy" to newbies. I really love the parrot but > efforts toward a masot may lead to a sense of "misrepresentation" by > newcomers. Not a good long-term strategy. A parrot has not been decided as a mascot nor have we even decided that e need a mascot at all. Your comment on it seems premature. > Further, I think the marketing team has done a great job of > differentiating Fedora from the rest of the distros. You don't want to > give that away. We don't really have much of a marketing team so I don't think we done the differentiation. It happened elsewhere. > 3. What's happening in Linux is fantastic and important. I know of no > other international, cross-cultural effort that's produced such positive > results. All involved should be proud and work to preserve it. There are certainly other efforts but I think ours is a good example too. So thanks. > 4. It's probably going to explode across the world. You've been "under the > radar" so far. As you get larger you'll likely attract a lot of intention > from big business that tries to own everything. Staying legally "clean" is > imperative. That isn't optional. Red Hat is the legal entity behind Fedora and it always makes the conservative choices which we do get flamed every now and then. > 5. With expansion things will change. The newer folks on the team want to > run with that. Maybe some of the older guys are not so sure; maybe they're > content that it stay in their private world. As long as we understand the objectives and retain the same culture we can continue growing and accommodating newer contributors. > Perhaps you could split off FC6 (or FC7) as a separate entity. It's > clearly powerful enough as it stands. Freeze the kernal. Give it its own > site, documentation, and forum. Make it simple. Make it clean. Make it > work all the time. I don't we have enough contributors to split off versions into its own entity and maintain it for long period of times at this point. > Find community members who are willing and able to support the concept. > Turn them loose on the "warm and fuzzy" stuff and the tools that newer > users want and need. Make it sort of an "entry level Fedora" (bad choice > of words but you get the idea). I don't know what "warm and fuzzy" means her. If we are making any changes to increase usability it should be part of the main codebase instead of a sub branch or derivative. Usability enhancements is not a category like server/desktop or gnome/kde to be created as derivatives. Rahul From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Apr 12 19:11:59 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 12:28:06AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >2. Fedora is not "warm and fuzzy" to newbies. I really love the parrot but > >efforts toward a masot may lead to a sense of "misrepresentation" by > >newcomers. Not a good long-term strategy. > A parrot has not been decided as a mascot nor have we even decided that > e need a mascot at all. Your comment on it seems premature. Although this brings up an important point -- parrots have a lifespan of decades.... -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 19:36:57 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:06:57 +0530 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 12:28:06AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> 2. Fedora is not "warm and fuzzy" to newbies. I really love the parrot but >>> efforts toward a masot may lead to a sense of "misrepresentation" by >>> newcomers. Not a good long-term strategy. >> A parrot has not been decided as a mascot nor have we even decided that >> e need a mascot at all. Your comment on it seems premature. > > Although this brings up an important point -- parrots have a lifespan of > decades.... ... and penguins are fat and clumsy, Devil and daemons are evil, chameleons cannot be trusted since they change colors so often. Mascots are supposed to be fun. Don't read too much into them. Rahul From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 21:04:22 2007 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:04:22 -0400 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> Parrots to 95% of the world are just pretty birds that are smart enough to learn to speak. Unless you've owned one, or spent more than a visit with someone who has one, you don't know how cranky and high maintenance they are. On that note, cranky and high maintenance aren't that far off the Fedora brand, are they? ;-) /me ducks. Seriously though, if we wanted to be exact with our mascot, it'd be a pimply, pasty fat kid who laughs at you when you can't configure X on your widescreen laptop. After all, the American Bald Eagle is a glorified buzzard, but it looks noble and majestic and fits on coins and has grown to embody the meanings US propagandists have made it mean. The mascot, if we choose to have one, just needs to be recognizable as being ours. Unless we have an animal commonly found wearing a felt brimmed hat, parrots are fine. So are dolphins, monkeys, and Kodiak Marmosets if we choose to create an identity around them. --jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a nice way of getting legal support for these things should the user opt for them, while still keeping the Fedora as-is Free. > * More original content in Ogg format This part is simple enough, as recent Rhythmbox releases now feature built-in support for the Magnatune music store and Jamendo CC-licensed music library. AmaroK has a similar Magnatune plugin, as I recall. -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) This message was sent through a webmail interface, and thus not signed. From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 09:34:26 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:34:26 +0800 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/13/07, Jeremy Hogan wrote: > Parrots to 95% of the world are just pretty birds that are smart enough to > learn to speak. Unless you've owned one, or spent more than a visit with > someone who has one, you don't know how cranky and high maintenance they > are. On that note, cranky and high maintenance aren't that far off the > Fedora brand, are they? ;-) > > /me ducks. > > Seriously though, if we wanted to be exact with our mascot, it'd be a > pimply, pasty fat kid who laughs at you when you can't configure X on your > widescreen laptop. After all, the American Bald Eagle is a glorified > buzzard, but it looks noble and majestic and fits on coins and has grown to > embody the meanings US propagandists have made it mean. The mascot, if we > choose to have one, just needs to be recognizable as being ours. Unless we > have an animal commonly found wearing a felt brimmed hat, parrots are fine. > So are dolphins, monkeys, and Kodiak Marmosets if we choose to create an > identity around them. > > --jeremy > ei?? .. suddenly this thread become another mascot discussion thread :P .. perhaps we really do need a mascot coz since that topic came up everyone looks so happy & excited with it + I want more fedora-related artworks @ gnome-look .. its a pity that almost all wallpapers in gnome-look are ubuntu stuff I do agree Rick that we need more marketing efforts .. or at least some good impression to first timers .. Information for fedora are scattered all over the internet and the wiki is scary to those who doesnt know how to use it .. that alone already put potential new users away .. what I see so far Fedora seems to attract tinkerers and serious people (business, tech experts, etc) rather common people .. I believe thats what Rick meant by "warm and fuzzy" .. we need to have more marketing resources (presentations, videos, , handouts , etc) targeted to this type of people who are dont really mind about the technical details behind fedora -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 09:37:20 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:20 +0530 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461F4F50.2010500@fedoraproject.org> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > > > I do agree Rick that we need more marketing efforts .. or at least > some good impression to first timers .. Information for fedora are > scattered all over the internet and the wiki is scary to those who > doesnt know how to use it .. that alone already put potential new > users away .. > > what I see so far Fedora seems to attract tinkerers and serious > people (business, tech experts, etc) rather common people .. I > believe thats what Rick meant by "warm and fuzzy" .. we need to have > more marketing resources (presentations, videos, , handouts , etc) > targeted to this type of people who are dont really mind about the > technical details behind fedora Are you willing to help and do any of the above? Rahul From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 09:48:50 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:48:50 +0800 Subject: Fwd: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> <461F4F50.2010500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 4/13/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > > I do agree Rick that we need more marketing efforts .. or at least > > some good impression to first timers .. Information for fedora are > > scattered all over the internet and the wiki is scary to those who > > doesnt know how to use it .. that alone already put potential new > > users away .. > > > > what I see so far Fedora seems to attract tinkerers and serious > > people (business, tech experts, etc) rather common people .. I > > believe thats what Rick meant by "warm and fuzzy" .. we need to have > > more marketing resources (presentations, videos, , handouts , etc) > > targeted to this type of people who are dont really mind about the > > technical details behind fedora > > Are you willing to help and do any of the above? > > Rahul > I am willing to help and do some of it provided that theres someone to lead the way .. I'm very bad in leadership and planning , but I dont mind being a labour ... furthermore I'm still a student and I dont know much of the "real" world .. On 4/12/07, rerushg at homexpressway.net wrote: > Now to turn to my marketing and sales experience: Rick, can you lead the way ?? -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 13 10:37:44 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:37:44 +0300 Subject: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461F5D78.2020904@nicubunu.ro> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > > > ei?? .. suddenly this thread become another mascot discussion thread > :P .. perhaps we really do need a mascot coz since that topic came up > everyone looks so happy & excited with it + I want more fedora-related > artworks @ gnome-look .. its a pity that almost all wallpapers in > gnome-look are ubuntu stuff > We hope to have our own place to host and share artwork (and why not multimedia content): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication > what I see so far Fedora seems to attract tinkerers and serious > people (business, tech experts, etc) rather common people .. I > believe thats what Rick meant by "warm and fuzzy" .. we need to have > more marketing resources (presentations, videos, , handouts , etc) > targeted to this type of people who are dont really mind about the > technical details behind fedora Some of the solutions proposed for hosting an Art community would suit other formats beside graphics (ccHost), so maybe having such an infrastructure would stimulate people to provide content. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 10:58:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:28:39 +0530 Subject: Fwd: expanding Fedora user base In-Reply-To: References: <14214.165.166.0.80.1176385365.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> <461E813E.4040204@fedoraproject.org> <20070412191159.GA23152@jadzia.bu.edu> <461E8A59.3080006@fedoraproject.org> <556f970a0704121404q7d0b2f7bte9fe60732a062a59@mail.gmail.com> <461F4F50.2010500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <461F625F.6090305@fedoraproject.org> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > > I am willing to help and do some of it provided that theres someone to > lead the way .. I'm very bad in leadership and planning , but I dont > mind being a labour ... furthermore I'm still a student and I dont > know much of the "real" world .. Well then, let me go back to what you suggested * Improve the wiki - Be specific about your suggestions and let us know which pages you find confusing and how to improve them. Better yet sign up for edit access (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing) and create drafts for any possible improvements. * Create presentations, videos, handouts etc - Look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations and do more on anything you would like to. Rahul From romal at gmx.de Sun Apr 15 20:30:03 2007 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:30:03 +0200 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> Message-ID: <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> Hi, > Agreed. It's a nice way of getting legal support for these things should the > user opt for them, while still keeping the Fedora as-is Free. Perhaps this could be expanded in some way. If Fedora finds any unsupported hardware it could display a dialog informing the user: - device class and vendor - link to vendors homepage - vendors contact to click (thus launching the email client) and ask for linux-support (pre-filled email-text ?) - link to fedoras wiki for explaning a) why this happened (binary only firmware, ...) b) instructions to get it running cu romal From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Apr 15 22:59:06 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:59:06 -0400 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1176677946.3433.7.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 10:44 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I think we spread the word enough its just people choose not to listen. > Without actually placing it on their desktop and making a user click 'I > understand this contains no propietary software' I don't know what else > needs to be done. > Is there enough information relating to fedora as to how to bypass the > propietary codecs etc.. and use open source alternatives? I've been a very long-time Linux integrator, over 12 years -- the last 5 as a traveling consultant at major Fortune 100 companies -- and not just merely for "web services" (which I avoid like the black plague because so many people are doing it). I've been deploying Linux workstations (as much as backend/data center servers) since the mid-'90s. So, first off, I'd _avoid_ even using the word "proprietary." There is both support for "proprietary" formats and even various, other "proprietary" aspects to things included with Fedora too. Also remember that "proprietary" is not always a "bad word" to many people. I've even argued that Microsoft solutions aren't "proprietary standards," because that would require them to be maintained, which Microsoft does not. Secondly, focus on the _real_aspects_ of Fedora, 100% redistribution with 0% indemnification issues. That's the _real_value_ of Fedora. I've had to _confiscate_ various distros -- from select Knoppix Live CD to many other Debian variants (although not _true_ Debian itself). I drive the point home -- these employees of my client are opening their employer/my client to issues -- especially when it is redistributed by the company. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Apr 15 23:14:20 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:14:20 -0400 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1176678860.3433.24.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 09:43 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > I would tend to believe that is more the result of a tradeoff between > convenience and sticking to a distribution's moral and/or ethical > standpoint. For example, till the time Intel Graphics cards became the > flavor of the month the company was clubbed in the same evil circle as > NVidia or even ATI. But with time and sufficient effort invested by > Intel and the distributions, things have changed. This means that an > average home user can be asked to get a system that provides reasonable > bling and yet not have to install binary bl0bs to get them. I've been the first person to _defend_ Red Hat's stance on Fedora, including Red Hat's _right_ to _refuse_ to support closed source drivers. It's not an option, as I've explained to many people. I've been long-labeled a "Red Hat apologist," all the way back to the GLibC 2 change in Red Hat Linux 5, but even more so on the Red Hat(R) trademark, creation of Fedora(TM), the reason for RHEL and its SLA focus, etc... The context of "evil" is part of the problem. There is "being active" -- that's good -- and then there's "being an activst" -- that's bad. The latter often causes unnecessary labeling, sometimes quite inaccurately too. So Fedora advocates should _not_ throw around the "evil" word. It not only sells Fedora wrong, but it shows _ignorance_ in some cases. Especially for those of us who were involved with the "great Linux migration" in the EDA/CAM (among other) software industries circa 1997-1999 (long story). I myself am an engineer who has worked with many engineers from ATI, Real3D (now Intel), nVidia and many others, and it's quite frustrating when Fedora advocates don't state factual information, and look utterly _ignorant_. Understand, Intel _still_ keeps much of its IP closed, and not available in their Linux support. This includes some key, kernel-memory aspects for their GPUs. What they've finally done is found a way to provide elementary OpenGL support without touching that IP. Unfortunately, some of those missing components prevent many titles from running. And no, I'm not talking about games, but some serious, critical Linux applications. Furthermore, as I've regularly had to point out, ATI and nVidia can't release some of their source code because the IP is held by a 3rd party -- including IP of Intel itself (which it doesn't include in its drivers). nVidia tried several things in the late '90s, including release of the _full_source_code_ of both their kernel-memory driver and GLX user-space. And nVidia was summarily sent "cease'n desist" letters from several companies, Microsoft, SGI and, yes, even Intel. What nVidia has decided to do since has been so mis-represented and mis-contrude, I just ignore many people nowdays. This includes the fact that many people say nVidia produces proprietary chipsets, when their chipset peripheral support has been one of the best in Linux, period. Heck, even their 2D feature support is probably the best in XFree/Xorg too, including how many engineers they put on it. On 3D, they finally got sick of the "IP minefield," especially since trying to produce open source drivers (which Intel has finally) would result in many titles _not_working_. Even Intel is violating many aspects of IP, because OpenGL is a major issue. And despite popular belief, ATI _never_ released 3D drivers, that was Precision Insight who developed GLX drivers for the ATI R100 (Radeon 7500-8000 series) under contract with the National Weather Service. And they were (and still are) quite lacking. Fedora advocates don't have to "bark back" to make a point. They just need to repeat, even like a broken record, "we product a 100% redistributable distribution with 0% indemnification issues." Leave it at that, don't stoop to the "evil" moniker, especially when the understanding is often from a standpoint of ignorance of real IP issues. Just my $0.02 from a long-time Linux architect and consultant. ;) -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Apr 15 23:49:51 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:49:51 -0400 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1176680991.3433.30.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 22:30 +0200, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Perhaps this could be expanded in some way. > If Fedora finds any unsupported hardware it could display a dialog > informing the user: > - device class and vendor > - link to vendors homepage > - vendors contact to click (thus launching the email client) and ask for > linux-support (pre-filled email-text ?) > - link to fedoras wiki for explaning > a) why this happened (binary only firmware, ...) > b) instructions to get it running Considering the PCI (among other) Vendor IDs are fixed and known, this is feasible. I have to give a third "thumbs up" on this approach. Empower the user. Don't lecture the user, empower the user. Excellent idea all around. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 02:25:10 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:55:10 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <1176678860.3433.24.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <461DB1EC.8040800@gmail.com> <1176678860.3433.24.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4622DE86.3010006@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bryan J. Smith wrote: [snipping a very large and very well written bit] > Fedora advocates don't have to "bark back" to make a point. They just > need to repeat, even like a broken record, "we product a 100% > redistributable distribution with 0% indemnification issues." Could not agree more - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGIt6GXQZpNTcrCzMRAoKUAKC9vHaV3yuRexFoJbBqncBvRjUjxgCeNoFf CZVsUTgAuBGDK9Fbd93rIpw= =nZFP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 16 18:05:31 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:05:31 -0700 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <461E6AFB.7000405@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <3263b11b0704120021u3ed51331l7eb7740abe2f8e09@mail.gmail.com> <461E3826.2080707@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0704120929p56f913a3yd3ed509540e3e068@mail.gmail.com> <461E6AFB.7000405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176746731.3286.80.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 22:53 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > > Looks cool :D I was wondering about putting a link directly on the > > home page perhaps?! Or is that outside of the plans for the homepage? > > I think so. I can see pros and cons. If you want to pursue this, propose some ideas on fedora-docs-list and we'll discuss. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is followed by all the torrent info, etc. Engage! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Ambassador FAMSCO Member -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGI8N3Pg3HAC1vlg4RAn6fAKCzPP0wWA4fZMwt7piWwyk/mtiCFACgiNGk 8QS0pnHHwGfs87VLStoNQI8= =qlT9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 16 19:27:29 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:27:29 +0200 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil - Pool Results - Test releases In-Reply-To: <4623C377.6010000@projetofedora.org> References: <4623C377.6010000@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4623CE21.30604@fedoraproject.org> It respects the FP members' composition, many of us (like me) are normal Linux Enthusiast (less professionists ones) that use Linux for others job different from software/database/etc... development. For the rest, i think we have i big testers base, and if we consider that Test 4 can be considered ad the last Release Candidate, we could imagine more people trying this. Regards Francesco Ugolini Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira ha scritto: > Pool results at http://projetofedora.org/node/151 > > > Do you use Fedora Test Releases ? > > - Sometimes = 39% (320 votes) > - Frequently = 35% (290 votes) > - No, never = 27% (220 votes) > Votes TOTAL = 100% (830 votes) > > So, 73% of 830 projetofedora.org users use fedora test releases. > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > Brazilian Fedora Ambassador > FAMSCO Member -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 21:35:36 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:35:36 +0200 Subject: multi-lingual release announcement In-Reply-To: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: 2007/4/16, Karsten Wade : > > The time has come to produce the final list of talking points we want > covered in the F7 release: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > By producing this list, we are enabling writers to write a > native-language, region-specific version of the Fedora 7 release > announcement. > > What do you want to see covered in all release announcements? Many people may have heard about the Core-Extras merger. Mentioning "Core and Extras no longer exist; there is now only: Fedora" is essential. However, a lot of less technical people may wonder, "what does this mean? Throw two repositories into one and you have one repository. What's the big deal about that?" So it might be a good idea to explain a little how much work work such a thing is and what it entails, sort of. Another thing that I'd really like to see mentioned is that: -Fedora 7 now comes with the excellent SCIM input methods working straight out of the box. No need to edit any more configuration files manually. "Use Ctrl Space (or your mouse) to call the input path or change it to your liking; install your favorite methods in the package manager (search for SCIM and/or M17N). Just about any "exotic" alphabet/set of characters (from the point of view of English/latin script) can be handled by SCIM these days." Other good things to mention: -The graphical update notifier: no more need to start Pup yourself; -An easier (and graphical) SELinux troubleshooting tool that tells the user what's going on if there are issues. -And of course the (rather fresh) Gnome 2.18; not a revolution but a very nice update with many improvements, a menu that's more intuitive than ever, and the 'Bug Buddy', making it easier to report bugs and contribute to making your favorite distribution/desktop environment even better. -Maybe mentioning Compiz/AIGLX bling, if necessary, can be linked to mentioning the optional use nice gconf-editor tool to make it work just how you like it. (I would like to also hear about some more under the hood issues but my knowledge is limited.) It is important that the announcement is enthusiastic. :-) regards, herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think this is a good example of something we want to see covered in the general announcement. > Another thing that I'd really like to see mentioned is that: [snip details] Details like you suggested can go into the ReleaseSummary page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F7ReleaseSummary ... which draws from: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView I added the ones into the OverView page that weren't there already. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 17 15:21:37 2007 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:21:37 +0200 Subject: multi-lingual release announcement In-Reply-To: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4624E601.9090104@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade a ?crit : > What do you want to see covered in all release announcements? > We should also promote the live-cd. Lots of great features are included (installation of softwares is possible, installation to HD too) The codecs buddy features are nice too. Maxime From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 17 15:24:42 2007 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:24:42 +0200 Subject: multi-lingual release announcement In-Reply-To: References: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176769897.3286.127.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4624E6BA.1000201@fedoraproject.org> Herman Meester a ?crit : > > > 2007/4/17, Karsten Wade >: > > (...) > > Details like you suggested can go into the ReleaseSummary page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F7ReleaseSummary > > ... which draws from: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView > > I added the ones into the OverView page that weren't there already. > > - Karsten > > > Thanks! > herman > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/FeatureList could be helful. Maxime From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 05:20:30 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:20:30 -0400 Subject: multi-lingual release announcement In-Reply-To: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176746991.3286.87.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704172220ydc8a9a0td080a50474368de7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > The time has come to produce the final list of talking points we want > covered in the F7 release: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > By producing this list, we are enabling writers to write a > native-language, region-specific version of the Fedora 7 release > announcement. I just does with 'FC7 Test3 announcements' the translate to Spanish little hours before: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/FC7Test3ReleaseSummary http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Noticias i'm arranged for the FC7 Release. -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 18 18:54:37 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:54:37 -0700 Subject: Join page (new) Message-ID: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> We are ready to make this page the new standard: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted page[1], in a better and more useful format. Anything missing? Anything to add? The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of us to use Join instead. - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 19:02:57 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:02:57 -0700 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704181202x4fbf9e85qefc912b3285c18ff@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > ++1 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From diegobz at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 19:17:24 2007 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:17:24 -0300 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <6600c1b10704181217n47670db2u281f15ea4ba962ff@mail.gmail.com> Looks great...+1 2007/4/18, Karsten Wade : > > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anything to add? > > > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > > us to use Join instead. > > > > - Karsten > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > > > -- > > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Linux User #402589 > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jan at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 19:25:53 2007 From: jan at fedoraproject.org (jan birsa) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:25:53 +0200 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704181220j71dd1250vf2c833e0b3fb791c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <6600c1b10704181217n47670db2u281f15ea4ba962ff@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704181220j71dd1250vf2c833e0b3fb791c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1833f76a0704181225u5bcccaacgdbb71031d864dd05@mail.gmail.com> sweeeet...perhaps I will join OS Development group this summer...(being ambassador doesnt make me busy enaught...lol) On 4/18/07, nihed mbarek wrote: > > ++++++1 > it's a good job > > 2007/4/18, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o : > > > > Looks great...+1 > > > > 2007/4/18, Karsten Wade : > > > > > > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > > > > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > > > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > > > > > > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > > > > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > > > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > > > > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > > > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all > > > of > > > us to use Join instead. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > > > > > -- > > > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > > > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > > > ////////////////////////////////// > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > > Linux User #402589 > > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- jan at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 18 20:13:32 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:43:32 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> Message-ID: <46267BEC.1060809@fedoraproject.org> Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > >> Agreed. It's a nice way of getting legal support for these things should the >> user opt for them, while still keeping the Fedora as-is Free. > > Perhaps this could be expanded in some way. > > If Fedora finds any unsupported hardware it could display a dialog > informing the user: > > - device class and vendor > - link to vendors homepage > - vendors contact to click (thus launching the email client) and ask for > linux-support (pre-filled email-text ?) > - link to fedoras wiki for explaning > a) why this happened (binary only firmware, ...) > b) instructions to get it running I did suggest something very similar at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-March/msg00139.html Apparently there isn't much traction to this idea. Rahul From caseyjones at runbox.com Thu Apr 19 01:45:58 2007 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1833f76a0704181225u5bcccaacgdbb71031d864dd05@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <6600c1b10704181217n47670db2u281f15ea4ba962ff@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704181220j71dd1250vf2c833e0b3fb791c@mail.gmail.com> <1833f76a0704181225u5bcccaacgdbb71031d864dd05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: YES! A huge +1! Looks great! ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:25:53 +0200 From: "jan birsa" To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Subject: Re: Join page (new) > > sweeeet...perhaps I will join OS Development group this summer...(being ambassador doesnt make me busy enaught...lol) On 4/18/07, nihed mbarek < nihedmm at gmail.com> wrote: ++++++1 it's a good job 2007/4/18, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o : Looks great...+1 2007/4/18, Karsten Wade : We are ready to make this page the new standard: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted page[1], in a better and more useful format. Anything missing? Anything to add? The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of us to use Join instead. - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- jan at fedoraproject.org > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ----- End Original Message ----- From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Apr 19 02:04:27 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:04:27 -0400 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <46267BEC.1060809@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> <46267BEC.1060809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176948267.4492.4.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I did suggest something very similar at > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-March/msg00139.html > Apparently there isn't much traction to this idea. I read through the thread and I didn't get that idea at all. In fact, the idea I got was more confusion than anything. I.e., people are reading the problem in different ways. What I advocate, and I believe several others here are advocating, is that we offer a _minimal_ amount of information. E.g., 1) You cross-reference the PCI/USB/etc... Vendor ID to a name, possibly also spit out the product name. That informs the user. 2) If the Device ID is a known, binary-only issue that Fedora cannot redistribute, inform the user that these drivers do not come with Fedora, and a Bugzilla entry should _not_ be filed for support. In fact, #2 would _also_ have the added bonus of addressing the endless number of bug reports being filed -- something one person explicitly complained about in that thread. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 02:05:59 2007 From: anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com (Anand Capur) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:05:59 -0400 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <6600c1b10704181217n47670db2u281f15ea4ba962ff@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704181220j71dd1250vf2c833e0b3fb791c@mail.gmail.com> <1833f76a0704181225u5bcccaacgdbb71031d864dd05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Zing! Only 1 problem when you click on the Web Developer or Administrator it doesn't work. I fixed it for you though! You had webdeveloperadmin as the link, but webdeveloperadministrator was the real anchor. Thanks, Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll talk with other members of French team to make a nice french translation . -- Xavier.t Lamien -- French Fedora Ambassador Fedora Extras Contributor GPG-Key ID: F3903DEB Fingerprint: 0F2A 7A17 0F1B 82EE FCBF 1F51 76B7 A28D F390 3DEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 02:30:44 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:44 +0530 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <1176948267.4492.4.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> <46267BEC.1060809@fedoraproject.org> <1176948267.4492.4.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4626D454.4070808@fedoraproject.org> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I did suggest something very similar at >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-March/msg00139.html >> Apparently there isn't much traction to this idea. > > I read through the thread and I didn't get that idea at all. > In fact, the idea I got was more confusion than anything. > I.e., people are reading the problem in different ways. At any rate, we need people to implement it. > 1) You cross-reference the PCI/USB/etc... Vendor ID to a name, possibly > also spit out the product name. That informs the user. > > 2) If the Device ID is a known, binary-only issue that Fedora cannot > redistribute, inform the user that these drivers do not come with > Fedora, and a Bugzilla entry should _not_ be filed for support. > > In fact, #2 would _also_ have the added bonus of addressing the endless > number of bug reports being filed -- something one person explicitly > complained about in that thread. Then there are two other related projects which might interest you. https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP/ https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/wiki Rahul From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Thu Apr 19 03:14:50 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:14:50 -0400 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1176952491.2735.0.camel@trauco> El mi?, 18-04-2007 a las 11:54 -0700, Karsten Wade escribi?: > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > +1 > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales [linuxuser:#384391] Embajador Fedora - Chile sip:gotencool at ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the _good_ part of a Wiki, eh? ;-) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You had > > webdeveloperadmin as the link, but webdeveloperadministrator was the > > real anchor. > > Thank you! This is the _good_ part of a Wiki, eh? ;-) > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Apr 19 08:29:18 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:18 +0200 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4627285E.1030702@kanarip.com> nice, +1 Karsten Wade wrote: > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > From mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 08:57:45 2007 From: mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com (Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:57:45 +0800 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: while True: ++1 its great!! On 4/19/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------- From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 07:00:09 2007 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] Message-ID: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> Good morning! I'm about to send my reply, but I thought everyone would like to read about the impact Free Media has. ~Karlie Robinson -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Thank you for the free media Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:54:36 +0200 From: shan han To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org CC: torvalds@ Hi Karlie, My name is Hashim Neves and this email is to thank you very much for the FC5 DVD you made possible for me to have. My number on your list http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September is 171, date 2006-09-6. Just for you to know what was done with it I shared It and made copies ofit to all my 37 linux friends/funs and my father, and the beuty of it is that we sayed bye bye spams, spywares, virus, bugs and many more things that damage our OS. Thank and Thank you. I live in maputo Mozambique and I need to tell you and the fedora developer and Linus Torvalds ? trademark owner and creator of Linux, thank for making my life simpler and easier. One more thing please try to focus on Opensource for africa not only Summit in europe and usa, find a spot in africa or south africa or mozambique to help my people develop skills easier and do more with less. By the way if you can please send me FC7 DVD. Thank you again and again. best regards and keep well, god bless u for this. Hashim Neves shineves.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Apr 19 12:24:00 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:24:00 +0800 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176985440.14993.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 07:00 +0000, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Good morning! > > I'm about to send my reply, but I thought everyone would like to read > about the impact Free Media has. > > ~Karlie Robinson > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Thank you for the free media > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:54:36 +0200 > From: shan han > To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org > CC: torvalds@ > > Hi Karlie, > > My name is Hashim Neves and this email is to thank you very much for the > FC5 > DVD you made possible for me to have. My number on your list > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September is > 171, date 2006-09-6. > > Just for you to know what was done with it I shared It and made copies ofit > to all my 37 linux friends/funs and my father, and the beuty of it is that > we sayed bye bye spams, spywares, virus, bugs and many more things that > damage our OS. Thank and Thank you. I live in maputo Mozambique and I need > to tell you and the fedora developer and Linus Torvalds ? trademark owner > and creator of Linux, thank for making my life simpler and easier. > > One more thing please try to focus on Opensource for africa not only Summit > in europe and usa, find a spot in africa or south africa or mozambique to > help my people develop skills easier and do more with less. By the way if > you can please send me FC7 DVD. > > Thank you again and again. > > best regards and keep well, god bless u for this. > > Hashim Neves > shineves.tripod.com > > ___ Those are the emails that make it all worthwhile. Congrats Karlie :) Regards, Marc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 08:42:27 2007 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:27 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704190525w378d00ebj7eec73b8997d52ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> <1176985440.14993.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <3263b11b0704190525w378d00ebj7eec73b8997d52ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46272B73.2010502@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Good work all :D > > Might be cool to have a web page where this sort of thing can be > shared...or is that not such a good idea?! > > Jon > I'm going to email Mr. Neves to let him know I sent his thank you to this list and ask permission to formally put it online (beyond the archives and archive mirrors) Personally, I feel it may be worth-while for me to keep in contact with him and see if I can send him other discs like OpenOffice.org and maybe lighter versions of Linux for older hardware that's still in use. ~Karlie PS, not a unique idea for me but a chance for FOSS - see http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=computers%20in%20africa and the side bar about halfway down with the "RECYCLED COMPUTERS IN AFRICA" Video From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 13:06:34 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:06:34 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> Btw, credit goes to me :-D i am Fedora Ambassador for Mazomabique , heheh On 4/19/07, Karlie Robinson wrote: > > Good morning! > > I'm about to send my reply, but I thought everyone would like to read > about the impact Free Media has. > > ~Karlie Robinson > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Thank you for the free media > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:54:36 +0200 > From: shan han > To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org > CC: torvalds@ > > Hi Karlie, > > My name is Hashim Neves and this email is to thank you very much for the > FC5 > DVD you made possible for me to have. My number on your list > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September is > 171, date 2006-09-6. > > Just for you to know what was done with it I shared It and made copies > ofit > to all my 37 linux friends/funs and my father, and the beuty of it is > that > we sayed bye bye spams, spywares, virus, bugs and many more things that > damage our OS. Thank and Thank you. I live in maputo Mozambique and I need > to tell you and the fedora developer and Linus Torvalds ? trademark owner > and creator of Linux, thank for making my life simpler and easier. > > One more thing please try to focus on Opensource for africa not only > Summit > in europe and usa, find a spot in africa or south africa or mozambique to > help my people develop skills easier and do more with less. By the way if > you can please send me FC7 DVD. > > Thank you again and again. > > best regards and keep well, god bless u for this. > > Hashim Neves > shineves.tripod.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.com/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at linuxwiz.net Thu Apr 19 16:32:13 2007 From: jeremy at linuxwiz.net (Gaddis, Jeremy L.) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tux 500: A Community Powered Linux Marketing Program Message-ID: My apologies if this has already been posted. http://tux500.com/ Sounds like an interesting marketing opportunity for Fedora. Unless something major happens, I'll be at the race again this year and will be happy to take some pictures. =) -j -- Jeremy L. Gaddis, MCP, GCWN jeremy at linuxwiz.net LinuxWiz Consulting http://linuxwiz.net From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 17:01:08 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:01:08 +0200 Subject: Tux 500: A Community Powered Linux Marketing Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4627A054.1030900@fedoraproject.org> http://tux500.com/stats.php Fedora is in 4th position, we can fight for the first one, we have the ability to do this :) Regards Francesco Ugolini Gaddis, Jeremy L. ha scritto: > My apologies if this has already been posted. > > http://tux500.com/ > > Sounds like an interesting marketing opportunity for Fedora. Unless > something major happens, I'll be at the race again this year and will be > happy to take some pictures. =) > > -j > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 17:20:17 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:20:17 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704191020r77904a9auc5d7938c8c1dcba9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Btw, credit goes to me :-D i am Fedora Ambassador for Mazomabique , heheh Sorry Nayyar, The credit goes to Ms Karlie Robinson. Please refer to September 2005 Queue[1] 2006-09-6 : MOZAMBIQUE - HASHIM NEVES {*} KarlieRobinson Once again, Thank you Karlie! Regards, [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 17:42:40 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:42:40 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704191020r77904a9auc5d7938c8c1dcba9@mail.gmail.com> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704191020r77904a9auc5d7938c8c1dcba9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704191042k5edfd9b9p819064b7e4f64b71@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 4/19/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Btw, credit goes to me :-D i am Fedora Ambassador for Mazomabique , > heheh > > Sorry Nayyar, > The credit goes to Ms Karlie Robinson. Yeah I know, i was just kidding ! Please refer to September 2005 Queue[1] > 2006-09-6 : MOZAMBIQUE - HASHIM NEVES {*} KarlieRobinson > > Once again, Thank you Karlie! > Regards, > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September > > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Apr 20 01:22:33 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:22:33 -0300 Subject: FISL 8.0 - OFFICIAL PHOTOS Message-ID: <462815D9.4020308@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guys!!! Brazilian Fedora Project - Official photos at FISL 8.0 Porto Alegre - BR http://projetofedora.org/album/13/ Fisl was a great success. Ours booth was the most visited of the event. A great line was created for distribution of dvds during every day. http://projetofedora.org/node/222 http://projetofedora.org/node/226 All the brazilian active ambassadors were in the event! Brazilian Ambassadors: http://www.projetofedora.org/node/215 In order:IgorSoares, CristianoFurtado, Xico, DiegoZacarao, GutembergMedeiros, DavidBarzilay, RodrigoPadula http://projetofedora.org/node/188 In Order: RudimarGrass(Ambassador), Jayme Ayres(Brazilian Designer) We are preparing a complete report!! Best regards! Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Ambassador FAMSCO Member www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGKBXZPg3HAC1vlg4RAskIAJ9iZgwfRsgkbHE2gm58EQ7iVPYovwCfQoKc tCnNG14WnH8UJtI1Hiqzptg= =nIuD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 20 03:44:38 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:44:38 -0700 Subject: F7 tour Message-ID: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> Is anyone planning on working-up up the F7 tour? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora7 Not sure which project should manage/steward the tours, but they are definitely valuable. Is this the purview of art/design? Marketing? Who "owns" this or is it a cross-project collaboration? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Apr 20 04:01:03 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:01:03 -0400 Subject: a call to action [Fwd: LWN headline: Blame Fedora = High Praise] In-Reply-To: <4626D454.4070808@fedoraproject.org> References: <1176344583.5208.160.camel@erato.phig.org> <1176345853.16242.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <1176361559.5208.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <62584.65.223.36.19.1176416871.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46228B4B.20109@gmx.de> <46267BEC.1060809@fedoraproject.org> <1176948267.4492.4.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> <4626D454.4070808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1177041663.5355.7.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 08:00 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > At any rate, we need people to implement it. Understand exactly where you are coming from. ;) > Then there are two other related projects which might interest you. > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP/ > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/wiki I was aware of the LHCP, although I just now am putting 2 and 2 together. Probably a great avenue for it. I didn't know anything about Smolt. Thanx for the link. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 20 06:19:26 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:19:26 -0700 Subject: F7 tour In-Reply-To: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704192319o795721f7l19c66babf564b70b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > Is anyone planning on working-up up the F7 tour? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora7 > > Not sure which project should manage/steward the tours, but they are > definitely valuable. Is this the purview of art/design? Marketing? > Who "owns" this or is it a cross-project collaboration? I did the most of screenshots and videos for last release[1] and I'll be glad to volunteer to do F7 Tour as soon as I get hold of F7T4. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore6 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 06:25:43 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:55:43 +0530 Subject: F7 tour In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704192319o795721f7l19c66babf564b70b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> <369bce3b0704192319o795721f7l19c66babf564b70b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can help too. But I need a bit guidence about the contents. -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 07:20:29 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:20:29 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30704191042k5edfd9b9p819064b7e4f64b71@mail.gmail.com> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704191020r77904a9auc5d7938c8c1dcba9@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30704191042k5edfd9b9p819064b7e4f64b71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704200020v51ddbb5cj474a0b8d386bc991@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > > On 4/19/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > > > On 4/19/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > Btw, credit goes to me :-D i am Fedora Ambassador for Mazomabique , > > heheh > > > > Sorry Nayyar, > > The credit goes to Ms Karlie Robinson. > > > Yeah I know, i was just kidding ! > > Please refer to September 2005 Queue[1] > > 2006-09-6 : MOZAMBIQUE - HASHIM NEVES {*} KarlieRobinson > > > > Once again, Thank you Karlie! > > If any one of you now gets request for Fedora cd/dvds from Mozambique, please refer to me, Thanks Regards, > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/September > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Chung > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From holger-doerner at gmx.de Fri Apr 20 12:29:10 2007 From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:29:10 +0200 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1177072150.2843.4.camel@workstation-01.homenet> > On 4/19/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > We are ready to make this page the new standard: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > It should now contain all of the useful content from the > HelpWanted > page[1], in a better and more useful format. > > Anything missing? Anything to add? > > The goal is to have a master Join page, then each project has > a > ProjectName/Join page that corresponds. > > We can make the HelpWanted page redirect to the Join page, > then start > changing links across the Wiki to point there, as well as > getting all of > us to use Join instead. > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted > > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation > Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. > | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > \\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list +1 Very, very nice work! Question: What about localization of the new Join page? 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D?rner wrote: > Question: What about localization of the new Join page? You mean this page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join It's already linked from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N BTW, we need volunteers who can do for Join page for Internationalization Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join If you'd like to volunteer, please join Fedora Websites. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 18:35:20 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:35:20 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Thank you for the free media] In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704201039ifa26584xddfc950d609ebe21@mail.gmail.com> References: <46271379.1070809@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30704190606j4622fdc4j991d29a711e9448b@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704191020r77904a9auc5d7938c8c1dcba9@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30704191042k5edfd9b9p819064b7e4f64b71@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30704200020v51ddbb5cj474a0b8d386bc991@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704201039ifa26584xddfc950d609ebe21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30704201135y515fdad6m87531c2d9ec8633@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 4/20/07, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > If any one of you now gets request for Fedora cd/dvds from Mozambique, > > please refer to me, > > Hi Nayyar, > Join the program. :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Contributors Done !, let me know the code of conduct for Contributors. Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you. Please don't forget to subscribe to fedora-freemedia-list. To learn "How the Program Works", please refer to Information page[2] [1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-freemedia-list [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Information Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From holger-doerner at gmx.de Fri Apr 20 19:47:19 2007 From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:47:19 +0200 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704201044t2208098cu83935d61a5133501@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <1177072150.2843.4.camel@workstation-01.homenet> <369bce3b0704201044t2208098cu83935d61a5133501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177098439.2843.14.camel@workstation-01.homenet> Am Freitag, den 20.04.2007, 10:44 -0700 schrieb Thomas Chung: > On 4/20/07, Holger W. D?rner wrote: > > Question: What about localization of the new Join page? > > You mean this page? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join > It's already linked from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N > > BTW, we need volunteers who can do for Join page for > Internationalization Project > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join > > If you'd like to volunteer, please join Fedora Websites. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung Not exactly what I mean. But Your last point is a very good idea :) I mean http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join translated into other languages like german, french etc. If I have enough time these days I think I will translate the page into german by myself. Regards, -- Holger D?rner German Fedora Ambassador ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner ) GPG Key: D735214E Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 20 19:50:25 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:50:25 -0700 Subject: Join page (new) In-Reply-To: <1177098439.2843.14.camel@workstation-01.homenet> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <1177072150.2843.4.camel@workstation-01.homenet> <369bce3b0704201044t2208098cu83935d61a5133501@mail.gmail.com> <1177098439.2843.14.camel@workstation-01.homenet> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704201250t4905e420m5b205552e423d679@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/07, Holger W. D?rner wrote: > I mean http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join translated into other > languages like german, french etc. > If I have enough time these days I think I will translate the page into > german by myself. Ah, I get it now. :) Yes, please do so as part of i18n project. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From aks at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 21 10:39:56 2007 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:24:56 +0545 Subject: F7 tour In-Reply-To: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1177040678.3286.338.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4629E9FC.9050401@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karsten Wade wrote: > Is anyone planning on working-up up the F7 tour? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora7 > > Not sure which project should manage/steward the tours, but they are > definitely valuable. Is this the purview of art/design? Marketing? > Who "owns" this or is it a cross-project collaboration? > > - Karsten I can help too in developing the tour for F7 as soon as the final release is available. I would be glad to volunteer. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGKen7F1RrmU5GquYRAuRCAKDyzqLzG1Zn5n20PTEQDHej1Gmt7QCgrv/B VlkpJzsMKiKAV9d7LJ2Ua3U= =1P7w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aks at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 21 11:59:56 2007 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:44:56 +0545 Subject: Regarding Linux Talks and Fedora Education Message-ID: <4629FCBC.1030104@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear All, I would like to inform you all that I'm coordinating a programme called "Linux Talks" at our university. The programme is organized by Kathmandu University Open Source Community (KUOSC, see http://www.ku.edu.np/~kuosc) in joint collaboration with Kathmandu University Alumni Asscoiation (KUAA, see http://www.ku.edu.np/kuaa). The programme will cover the basics of Linux to some of the advanced level topics like server configuration, localisation and others. Although the programme is neutral to the distribution of Linux (as we'll be using two or three distros), we are focussing heavily upon the Fedora Core 6. The brief programme details are as below: Title of the Programme : Linux Talks Mission Statement: Choice for All Duration: 3 Months Total number of Sessions : 8-10 (at least one session per week) Total number of participants : 40-50 Topics to be covered: * An overview of FOSS and GNU/Linux * Open Office.Org : Use and Automation * Localisation and Nepali Applications * LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) Framework * Configuring Secure Servers in Linux (DHCP, DNS, BIND, SAMBA, NIS, NFS etc) * Security Concerns in Linux (Firewall Configuration) * Linux Desktop for productivity * Media Authoring using FOSS Tools * Content Management System (using Drupal) * OSI Approved Software Licenses This is just a rough sketch of the contents to be covered, and has not yet been finalised. I expect your help in restructuring and finalising the contents. Moreover, (as the programme moves heavily around FC6), I would like to request for your support and help regarding the presentations, documentations and other training materials. Meanwhile I wonder if I can continue this programme in conjugation with the Fedora Education. Could Fedora Community send us some promotional materials like banners, flyers etc.? Thank you. Sincerely, Abhishek Singh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AbhishekSingh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGKfy7F1RrmU5GquYRAuSSAKCr1jU2Sm6hUbfOp+lmxHJbivUoNQCfffwp EPVREbkt50Zuog1Oi8btTsE= =rWyb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From holger-doerner at gmx.de Sat Apr 21 18:54:21 2007 From: holger-doerner at gmx.de (Holger W. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:54:21 +0200 Subject: Localization of the new Join page in german In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704201044t2208098cu83935d61a5133501@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176922477.3286.205.camel@erato.phig.org> <1177072150.2843.4.camel@workstation-01.homenet> <369bce3b0704201044t2208098cu83935d61a5133501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177181661.2874.5.camel@workstation-01.homenet> Hallo at all! I just want to give a short notice that I have translated our new Join page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join) into german language, available under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/de_DE/Beitreten If anyone has suggestions or finds a mistake let me know. Regards, -- Holger D?rner German Fedora Ambassador ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner ) GPG Key: D735214E Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 01:40:33 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish Message-ID: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> hi, I have translated the new Join page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join into Spanish language available under: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa Greetings. -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 01:50:53 2007 From: anandcomputerphreak at gmail.com (Anand Capur) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:50:53 -0400 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good Job! The Artista picture doesn't seem to load though :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 02:09:21 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:09:21 -0400 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704221909g2f75939bu6c531e8ff60dd4d0@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/07, Anand Capur wrote: > Good Job! The Artista picture doesn't seem to load though :( Thanks, refresh again the web? i can see all images, i check out one-to-one, but if somebody has the same problem please report. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 02:09:40 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:39:40 +0530 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704221909g2f75939bu6c531e8ff60dd4d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <2b26c4260704221909g2f75939bu6c531e8ff60dd4d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462C1564.7080405@fedoraproject.org> Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote: > On 4/22/07, Anand Capur wrote: >> Good Job! The Artista picture doesn't seem to load though :( > > Thanks, refresh again the web? i can see all images, i check out > one-to-one, but if somebody has the same problem please report. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa Works for me. Rahul From wcervini at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 02:50:01 2007 From: wcervini at gmail.com (Walter Cervini) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:50:01 -0400 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C1564.7080405@fedoraproject.org> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <2b26c4260704221909g2f75939bu6c531e8ff60dd4d0@mail.gmail.com> <462C1564.7080405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1177296601.5617.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Me too. El lun, 23-04-2007 a las 07:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Wilmer Jaramillo M. wrote: > > On 4/22/07, Anand Capur wrote: > >> Good Job! The Artista picture doesn't seem to load though :( > > > > Thanks, refresh again the web? i can see all images, i check out > > one-to-one, but if somebody has the same problem please report. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa > > Works for me. > > Rahul > -- Walter Cervini wcervini at gmail.com Linux User Since 1990 Linux Counter 353289 Fedora Ambassador Venezuela Fedora-ve.org Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 23 04:16:57 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:16:57 -0500 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462C3339.5040306@prodigy.net.mx> Wilmer Jaramillo M. escribi?: > hi, I have translated the new Join page > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join into Spanish language available > under: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/es_ES/Participa > > Greetings. Some observations about the text. First paragraph: "S? deseas formar parte activa en el Proyecto Fedora, eres bienvenido, hay muchas formas de participar, si no sabes como, aqui te lo diremos, encuentra t? perfil:" Should be: "Si deseas formar parte activa en el Proyecto Fedora, eres bienvenido, hay muchas formas ("maneras" might be more adquate given context?) de participar, si no sabes c?mo (here it is accentuated given the implied interrogation), aqu? te lo diremos, encuentra tu (here is about ownership, not personal reference, hence no accent, just like in English "your" and "you're") perfil:" Here: "Escribiendo, editando, gram?tica, explicar complejas ideas muy bien, ense?ar, Documentar libros, XML, Marcas para Wiki, conocimientos t?cnicos (espec?ficos y generales)" Should be: "Escribiendo, editando, gram?tica, explicando ideas complejas (was this a literal translation?), ense?ando, documentando libros, XML, marcas para Wiki, conocimientos t?cnicos (espec?ficos y generales)" Typo: **"Equipos/Projectos (should be Proyectos) asociados con este perfil (Ingl?s)*:*" Typo: "Comunicar mediante Imagenes." (should be im?genes) In the section "Desarrollador de Software", maybe it would be convenient to only state in one manner the idea of "hole patching/fixing" by using in both instances something like "reparando agujeros" and then "Reparaci?n de agujeros" or something along those lines? Translation missing: Comunicar mediante cont?cto directo (person-to-person) (should be persona-a-persona) Typo: "P?ginas webs, administraci?n del Wiki, aplicaciones, hojas de estilo..." (should be P?ginas web) Nice work... I never managed to get editing rights to the Wiki (for some reason or another I never got a reply on my applications), otherwise I'd be more than happy to assist with the translation... From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 04:21:59 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:51:59 +0530 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3339.5040306@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <462C3339.5040306@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Nice work... I never managed to get editing rights to the Wiki (for some > reason or another I never got a reply on my applications), otherwise I'd > be more than happy to assist with the translation... Where did you apply? If you have signed the CLA add your user name to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 23 04:33:21 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:33:21 -0500 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> Nice work... I never managed to get editing rights to the Wiki (for >> some reason or another I never got a reply on my applications), >> otherwise I'd be more than happy to assist with the translation... > > Where did you apply? If you have signed the CLA add your user name to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue > > Rahul > That is part of the problem, never got a reply that the signature of the CLA was alright. Even though I sent it twice. Now since the purge of the wiki, I have to re-create an account, and do all the process again... By the way, it seems a bit daunting the whole lot of loops through which I've had to jump to even get to the point to sign the CLA... I don't mind the reading, but the recursive referencing in the wiki is a bit excessive (IMO) feels like there's no "to the point" link, and right now I've got like 5 or 6 tabs in Firefox pointing to different documents referenced as steps to become a contributor from the main directions page to gain Edit privileges to the wiki... looks like a lot (again, I don't mind the reading, is just that seems much more complicated than it actually is, especially for new users [both to Fedora and Wiki systems]), just a thought for devising simpler ways (though, now that I think of it, it may as well remain that way to discourage those who wouldn't compromise). From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 04:38:19 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:08:19 +0530 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > That is part of the problem, never got a reply that the signature of the > CLA was alright. Even though I sent it twice. Now since the purge of the > wiki, I have to re-create an account, and do all the process again... By > the way, it seems a bit daunting the whole lot of loops through which > I've had to jump to even get to the point to sign the CLA... I don't > mind the reading, but the recursive referencing in the wiki is a bit > excessive (IMO) feels like there's no "to the point" link, and right now > I've got like 5 or 6 tabs in Firefox pointing to different documents > referenced as steps to become a contributor from the main directions > page to gain Edit privileges to the wiki... looks like a lot (again, I > don't mind the reading, is just that seems much more complicated than it > actually is, especially for new users [both to Fedora and Wiki > systems]), just a thought for devising simpler ways (though, now that I > think of it, it may as well remain that way to discourage those who > wouldn't compromise). I don't think that keeping it deliberating confusing is a good thing. If we have usability issues with the wiki we need to fix that. The problem of ensuring that the system is not compromised should be satisifed by other means. The longer term goal is to make the CLA a click through process. Re-apply and follow the instructions at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo which is supposed to be the "to the point" link. After you get edit access post to fedora-websites list and we can work out where we need to simplify it. Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 23 04:43:28 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:43:28 -0500 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462C3970.3010307@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> That is part of the problem, never got a reply that the signature of >> the CLA was alright. Even though I sent it twice. Now since the purge >> of the wiki, I have to re-create an account, and do all the process >> again... By the way, it seems a bit daunting the whole lot of loops >> through which I've had to jump to even get to the point to sign the >> CLA... I don't mind the reading, but the recursive referencing in the >> wiki is a bit excessive (IMO) feels like there's no "to the point" >> link, and right now I've got like 5 or 6 tabs in Firefox pointing to >> different documents referenced as steps to become a contributor from >> the main directions page to gain Edit privileges to the wiki... looks >> like a lot (again, I don't mind the reading, is just that seems much >> more complicated than it actually is, especially for new users [both >> to Fedora and Wiki systems]), just a thought for devising simpler >> ways (though, now that I think of it, it may as well remain that way >> to discourage those who wouldn't compromise). > > I don't think that keeping it deliberating confusing is a good thing. > If we have usability issues with the wiki we need to fix that. The > problem of ensuring that the system is not compromised should be > satisifed by other means. The longer term goal is to make the CLA a > click through process. > > Re-apply and follow the instructions at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo > which is supposed to be the "to the point" link. After you get edit > access post to fedora-websites list and we can work out where we need > to simplify it. > > Rahul > I'm currently in the process of doing so... I take it that (according to the instructions) the Wiki account and the Fedora Accounts account are different from one another? 'Cause I feel kind of lost at this point in the instructions where I should apply for a Fedora account and then sign the the CLA (got there *after* I created a wiki account, so I take it they're different) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 04:45:41 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:15:41 +0530 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3970.3010307@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> <462C3970.3010307@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <462C39F5.90609@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> > I'm currently in the process of doing so... I take it that (according to > the instructions) the Wiki account and the Fedora Accounts account are > different from one another? 'Cause I feel kind of lost at this point in > the instructions where I should apply for a Fedora account and then sign > the the CLA (got there *after* I created a wiki account, so I take it > they're different) Yes. They are different which is the fundamental reason why the current process is not as easy as click through. Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 23 04:48:56 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:48:56 -0500 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <462C3AB8.7070408@prodigy.net.mx> I may have hit another brickwall... At the Fedora Accounts system, where it asks for my full name, I typed "Gian Paolo Mureddu San Vicente" which is my *full* name, my account name is GianMureddu, as second (or middle) names don't seem to be supported by the system, does this mean I have to type Gian Mureddu as my "full" name? I got a Programming error error message after submitting the page, and in a text field was my name, hence I assumed this was the problem? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 04:51:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:21:50 +0530 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3AB8.7070408@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"46 2 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> <462C3467.30708@fedoraproject.org> <462C3711.6060006@prodigy.net.mx> <462C383B.9060100@fedoraproject.org> <462C3AB8.7070408@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <462C3B66.2030405@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I may have hit another brickwall... At the Fedora Accounts system, where > it asks for my full name, I typed "Gian Paolo Mureddu San Vicente" which > is my *full* name, my account name is GianMureddu, as second (or middle) > names don't seem to be supported by the system, does this mean I have to > type Gian Mureddu as my "full" name? I got a Programming error error > message after submitting the page, and in a text field was my name, > hence I assumed this was the problem? Drop in a mail offlist to tchung AT fedoraproject.org. Marketing list wouldnt be concerned with this. Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 23 06:14:36 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:14:36 -0500 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C3339.5040306@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <"462 C3339.5040306"@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <462C4ECC.2060703@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just to inform that I was able to successfully edit the page, please review, and I have revised the orthography, grammar and syntax as thoroughly as I could. The words that I'm sure are OK were added to the local dictionary so that they won't be erroneously marked as misspelled. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLE7MXM+XOp70dwoRArzMAJ9aLkrST6hQRzdrECCv6VWDHkufyACfZufK rRz+/OEUamvRxMaIdmvtWgo= =JOnS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 10:38:30 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:08:30 +0530 Subject: Translation of the Join page in Bengali (India) Message-ID: <200704231608.30097.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, I made a initial translation of the join page here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/bn_IN/Join Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 17:53:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:23:04 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's JBoss to Adopt Fedora Model Message-ID: <462CF280.7000303@fedoraproject.org> Hi "The move would mean that JBoss would deliver a Fedora-like community edition of its core software that only looks forward. As with the Fedora Linux project, no backward compatibility is guaranteed?Fedora is focused on the future and new features." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2c1895%2c2119683%2c00.asp "I think this is a highly positive move for Red Hat - it brings all of its products under the same release and business model, lowering costs and providing for a cleaner story to the market." http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/04/jboss_gets_a_re.html Rahul From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 24 07:03:33 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:03:33 -0400 Subject: Translate of the New Join page in Spanish In-Reply-To: <462C4ECC.2060703@prodigy.net.mx> References: <2b26c4260704221840nf0da30ckbe993cb4286d6ded@mail.gmail.com> <462C3339.5040306@prodigy.net.mx> <462C4ECC.2060703@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704240003j707d8849wf4a2fc4640a57e43@mail.gmail.com> Good Work. On 4/23/07, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Just to inform that I was able to successfully edit the page, please > review, and I have revised the orthography, grammar and syntax as > thoroughly as I could. The words that I'm sure are OK were added to > the local dictionary so that they won't be erroneously marked as > misspelled. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGLE7MXM+XOp70dwoRArzMAJ9aLkrST6hQRzdrECCv6VWDHkufyACfZufK > rRz+/OEUamvRxMaIdmvtWgo= > =JOnS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From bogo at spisanie.com Tue Apr 24 08:26:19 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:26:19 +0300 Subject: A very strange request (please read) Message-ID: <462DBF2B.3070205@spisanie.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, My name is Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov. I am fedora ambassador in Bulgaria and I am also open source guy from many years. I am writing you on behalf a problem and an international humanitarian campaign. I know fedora supports FREEDOM. I would like all of you to read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya and to join the camapign here: http://nestesami.bg/main/mission.php If you are agree to put a small ribbon to main page of fedora project and in other fedora sites to show support from a free community to this problem. You can see postions of USA and EU and more countries here too: http://nestesami.bg/main/publications.php I am bogomil in freenode if you need more details. Regards Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov Fedora Ambassador Bulgaria +359 897 61 51 28 bogomil at fedoraproject.org bogo at spisanie.com jabber:bogo at jabber.minus273.org profile: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BogomilShopov - --- Knowledge belongs to all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGLb8rvnZHkQPM91ARAveqAJ0eVdHd2DKddBMcbAbbBcU0X86k6wCYldAq AXdRD3RDgseuZyVu2pBc4w== =qSD0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Fri Apr 27 02:25:29 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Radio DAY :D!!!! In-Reply-To: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> References: <463131CA.7000703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Wow. Good luck -- very exciting! --g On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Nicolas Antonio Corrarello wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear All: > Tomorrow, we will be on Air on a known radio in Buenos Aires making a > live installation of fedora in a Laptop (owned by the anker of the > show). Also we will talk about the install fest FLISOL (on saturday in > all Latin America), OLPC (I'll take one to the show so the anker can > test it with the latest release), Free Software, and more! We will be > giving away on the radio a Fedora Install Manual made by Pablo Barrera > (Fedora Ambassador also from Argentina). > > So wish us luck!!!! If i'm able I'll upload it (sorry, spanish only) > > > Y.S. > - -- > - - -- > Nicolas A. Corrarello, RHCE p: +54 (11) 4903-4112 > Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 5182-2245 > GPG Key: DFC893EE e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org > GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE > Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit San Diego | May 9-11, 2007 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2007 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD4DBQFGMTHK4UWy+d/Ik+4RAkULAKCnw1KkBmPL4I7kysSspK2xzGwgcQCTBqwV > j6ot060siTR1TdyUEwROag== > =QeKI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 02:43:14 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:43:14 -0500 Subject: Regarding Linux Talks and Fedora Education In-Reply-To: <4629FCBC.1030104@fedoraproject.org> References: <4629FCBC.1030104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: +1 On 4/21/07, Abhishek Singh wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear All, > I would like to inform you all that I'm coordinating > a programme called "Linux Talks" at our university. The programme is > organized by Kathmandu University Open Source Community (KUOSC, see > http://www.ku.edu.np/~kuosc) in joint collaboration with Kathmandu > University Alumni Asscoiation (KUAA, see http://www.ku.edu.np/kuaa). > The programme will cover the basics of Linux to some of the advanced > level topics like server configuration, localisation and others. > Although the programme is neutral to the distribution of Linux (as > we'll be using two or three distros), we are focussing heavily upon > the Fedora Core 6. The brief programme details are as below: > Title of the Programme : Linux Talks > Mission Statement: Choice for All > Duration: 3 Months > Total number of Sessions : 8-10 (at least one session per week) > Total number of participants : 40-50 > Topics to be covered: > > * An overview of FOSS and GNU/Linux > * Open Office.Org : Use and Automation > * Localisation and Nepali Applications > * LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) Framework > * Configuring Secure Servers in Linux (DHCP, DNS, BIND, SAMBA, > NIS, NFS etc) > * Security Concerns in Linux (Firewall Configuration) > * Linux Desktop for productivity > * Media Authoring using FOSS Tools > * Content Management System (using Drupal) > * OSI Approved Software Licenses > > > This is just a rough sketch of the contents to be covered, and has not > yet been finalised. I expect your help in restructuring and finalising > the contents. Moreover, (as the programme moves heavily around FC6), I > would like to request for your support and help regarding the > presentations, documentations and other training materials. Meanwhile > I wonder if I can continue this programme in conjugation with the > Fedora Education. Could Fedora Community send us some promotional > materials like banners, flyers etc.? > > Thank you. > > > Sincerely, > Abhishek Singh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AbhishekSingh > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGKfy7F1RrmU5GquYRAuSSAKCr1jU2Sm6hUbfOp+lmxHJbivUoNQCfffwp > EPVREbkt50Zuog1Oi8btTsE= > =rWyb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Hi friends, Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 i want to see your opinion personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad connexion. http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 19:56:35 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:56:35 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- nihed mbarek (2007-04-29) wrote:----- > Hi friends, > > Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 i want to > see your opinion personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 > because i have a bad connexion. > http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 Have to agree with the author. Ubuntu has entered a benign cycle. Fedora still has a long way. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Apr 29 20:01:20 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:01:20 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177876880.3836.7.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 20:56 +0100, Leo wrote: > Have to agree with the author. Ubuntu has entered a benign cycle. Fedora > still has a long way. Ubuntu also doesn't have some of the foci of the Fedora Project. I agree that Ubuntu is a better home consumer desktop in most aspects, but I find Fedora is a much better corporate desktop. I recently had to deal with the frustration of Ubuntu on a corporate network of UNIX/Linux desktops/workstations/servers (and not merely just a few Windows servers). Not fun, and missing a lot of capability and compatibility I'm used to with Linux in a production UNIX network. ;) Fedora drops in just like RHEL, with all the features I expect. While it's great to try to cater to home consumers as much as we can, I like the fact that Fedora has some additional focus -- especially one that keeps it going strong by both the community as well as Red Hat itself. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 30 06:31:45 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:31:45 +0300 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> nihed mbarek wrote: > > Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 > i want to see your opinion > personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad > connexion. > http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 "Fedora 7 does bring a number of changes, but it doesn't seem to be progressing at the rate of Ubuntu or some of the other up and coming distributions for that matter" and then he goes and list some of the new features added in F7. Completely honest, I don't follow the development of Ubuntu, not even tried one for a long time, so I would like to understand this comparison by seeing what are the new additions in Ubuntu. My limited experience is like this: just after the release of Test4 I did a short test run of the liveCD and my quick conclusion was that F7 seems to be *the best* Fedora so far for *desktop* use and this was for me the first Fedora liveCD I could use. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Apr 30 06:49:40 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:49:40 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> > "Fedora 7 does bring a number of changes, but it doesn't seem to be > progressing at the rate of Ubuntu or some of the other up and coming > distributions for that matter" and then he goes and list some of the new > features added in F7. > Completely honest, I don't follow the development of Ubuntu, not even > tried one for a long time, so I would like to understand this comparison > by seeing what are the new additions in Ubuntu. Looking at Ubuntu 7.04 tour I'd say these look like the major additions to Ubuntu: *Windows migration tool *Easy media installation (similar to codecbuddy except they point to gstreamer-ffmpeg etc rather than fluendo) *Desktop effects (using the same dialouge introduced in Fedora 6) *Network manager (which is in F7) + zeroconf support (don't know about this in F7) *A tool to install proprietary drivers simply That about sums it up. A few other software updates which are to be expected such as Gnome 2.18 and the extra games. So looking at that the only things lacking from Fedora are the Windows migration tool and the prop drivers bit: compare that to the merger of Core and Extras, the creation of an official livecd for the first time, the ability for anybody to make their own spins simply, KVM + virt-manager integration and the list goes on! Not sure what he was talking about. Jon From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 07:50:03 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:20:03 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46359FAB.6040405@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > *Easy media installation (similar to codecbuddy except they point to > gstreamer-ffmpeg etc rather than fluendo) Doesn't the above require an additional repo to be configured/uncommented ? Or, does it do the pointing by default ? The Fiesty Installation I have at hand has the universe repo bits enabled and thus using Totem to view .wmv pops up a dialog about gstreamer-ffmpeg :SM - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGNZ+rXQZpNTcrCzMRAv45AKCjfsrGQe6pOQ/VE5OOJsOIIF2RrgCgoR1H JmoPka9a+Xv/5SGz/3NHo7Q= =pKwA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 08:13:47 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:13:47 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704300113s17b6fddco4bcb60f3150cc6f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > .. > *Network manager (which is in F7) + zeroconf support (don't know about > this in F7) I believe ZeroConf is already supported with FC6. $ rpm -qi avahi "Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network" ... " This kind of technology is already found in MacOS X (branded 'Rendezvous', 'Bonjour' and sometimes 'ZeroConf') and is very convenient." Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 09:13:57 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:57 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <46359FAB.6040405@gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> <46359FAB.6040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4635B355.8050205@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> *Easy media installation (similar to codecbuddy except they point to >> gstreamer-ffmpeg etc rather than fluendo) > > Doesn't the above require an additional repo to be > configured/uncommented ? Or, does it do the pointing by default ? The > Fiesty Installation I have at hand has the universe repo bits enabled > and thus using Totem to view .wmv pops up a dialog about gstreamer-ffmpeg Pointing by default afaik which isn't a legal solution in any region where software patents are enforced. Rahul From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 21:10:36 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:10:36 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177967437.3075.54.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 21:43 +0200, nihed mbarek wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: nihed mbarek > Date: 29 avr. 2007 10:07 > Subject: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Hi friends, > > Michael Larabel has writing an article about Fedora 7 test 4 > i want to see your opinion > personnely Im waiting for the download of F7T4 because i have a bad > connexion. > http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Some people seem to think that the popular Linux distributions are in some kind of struggle for the domination of the Linux desktop. In this light it is good to realise that Canonical and Red Hat have different business models. Canonical tries to have everybody use Ubuntu (which is why they even pay for shipping cds to you), so that the distro becomes some kind of default, and eventually people will choose to pay Canonical to provide them Linux support on their Ubuntu corporate servers and desktops. Red Hat, on the other hand, uses Fedora as the basis for their enterprise Linux product, which you can't even run unless you pay for it. Red Hat's business model is about technologically advanced and innovative software, well implemented security features and rock solid systems. They sell that at good prices with the support they are able to give for it. Canonical doesn't want to sell subscriptions to their software, but support to anyone that happened to decide to run Ubuntu, since that is for free anyway. Companies that sell support by incident are less likely to want to deliver the best possible software. They are likely to support a product that is *good enough* and easy for users to set up, but they won't do their utmost to perfect consistency, kill bugs, harden security. I'm not saying that one of these models is superior (I have my own thoughts, though ;) ), it's just that I wonder why the business model is mentioned only very occasionally when it comes to, for example, Ubuntu, and talking about Linux distributions in general. It's not as if all distributions have the same objectives, reason to exist, or business plan, if any. Ubuntu have done such a great job at marketing and creating a feel-good mood about their distro that people forget there is some real business going on in the Linux world. If Shuttleworth was *just* a philanthropist, and not an entrepreneur at all, he might have just left Debian alone and do something against AIDS, leprosy and/or poverty. After all, you can't go on shipping free cds for the next decades without making some money. Nothing wrong with trying to make a viable business out of a Debian spin-off. Maybe Ubu/Canonical is right about at least one thing: conquer the server (where much of the money is) by means of the desktop. Even Microsoft did that. Red Hat/Fedora can't go there just yet, if at all. Red Hat is not willing to support proprietary wireless/graphics drivers, Flash and other stuff, and patented media codecs. Plus, RH would have to change their business model while their present one is working out very well for them. Franky, I ended up being a very happy Fedora/CentOS user after trying Ubuntu and wanting to just run that. I thought that after Suse I needed something with more of a K.I.S.S. (tm) attitude and I thought Ubuntu offered that. However, there was a bug or two that prevented me from using my printer, SCIM. and something else I forgot. Why do I say all this? I stuck with Fedora/CentOS because I love the system, its quality and consistency, the fact that it comes with real stuff 'under the hood' in stead of just new wallpapers and icons. Yet I never really planned to ever use Fedora because I thought the Ubu/Deb family was good enough for me. I'm not really a 'serious' geek but around me I see that RHEL/CentOS (and, although since CentOS' success to a lesser extent, Fedora) are still very much appreciated for innovation and quality among technically advanced *n*x users. Those users wonder when stuff like SELinux arrives at Ubuntu. And they couldn't care less that Fedora doesn't allow them to click only one button to install gstreamer-plugin-ugly, w32codecs or libdvdcss. Unpack, configure, make, make install is not that complex after all. ;) So I think it is pointless for Fedora to imitate Ubuntu and try to be as 'cool' as that. There's no such way to handle the hype (don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is a good system overall, so the hype is not entirely undeserved). The only way is to be so good on a technological level that a bit more advanced users of, say, Ubuntu would some day check it out and start to like it. Maybe it sounds a bit elitish which is not really what I mean, but to have the users that know what *n*x is about is more beneficial to Fedora than to have all the Windows gamers and script kiddies that want to be cool too and run install Linux to show off Beryl. Where does the marketing list fit in? Simply keep communicating that Fedora is about free (as in..) software. Maybe pointing out that yum/rpm really *does* work just as well as apt-get/dpkg would help too. ;) You see, I'm a bit tired of those claiming that .deb-systems are so superior because they don't have yum/rpm 'which sucks'. I hope enough people will disagree with me completely so that I may hear what 'y'all' think about all this. I mean, maybe many folks believe that to just Ubuntify Fedora is the way to go? regards, herman