From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 5 10:36:15 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Announcing FUDCon Brussels2007 Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702050236ia67f372oa988309cf1426cbf@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, As many of you, have heard about Fedora's presence in FOSDEM2007. We are now annoncing another FUDCon in 2007 which will be held there at FOSDEM, Brussels Belgium. Location and Date * Brussels, Belgium * Feb 24-25, 2007 Attendance is free. * room H2214 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM2007 (list of Fedora FOSDEM team) - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrussels2007 I've the pleasure to invite you and join forces to talk about your beloved OS and how to work and improve it. MaxSpevack and TomTromey are travelling from US to be among us as well. ThomasCanniot will sing to us the great work achieved by the French Community and what they are planning to do in the near future. He will also talk about the infrastructure given to local teams and how they made use of it. We have many colleagues from the Fedora Engineering Team to show you what they are doing and planning to do. The complete Fedora Schedule can be found here: - http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/centosfedora We will also be at the Fedora booth and invite you to come and share your ideas and experience to us. Look forward to seeing you & the other speakers later in the month! ChitleshGoorah and the Fedora FOSDEM team -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 6 00:06:19 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:06:19 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - Give the Gift of Fedora Message-ID: <369bce3b0702051606s4fd6c108hd61a9bbafeafbfec@mail.gmail.com> All, This is a reminder that we still have about 40 un-fulfilled requests waiting for Fedora Free Media for the month January 2007[1]. Please accept at least one or two requests even if they are not from your country. You can always *Give the Gift of Fedora*[2] via our Fedora Sponsored Media Program[3] when you donate to participating vendors to send media to someone who can't afford to get it for themselves especially those in developing countries. Best Regards, [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/January [2] http://www.redhat.com/fedora/ [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nihedmm at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 05:34:18 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - Give the Gift of Fedora In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0702051606s4fd6c108hd61a9bbafeafbfec@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0702051606s4fd6c108hd61a9bbafeafbfec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0702052134w5bb479edye2342061bc4d5a42@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I want to inform that Tunisian people can demand Fedora DVD or CD in : Club info plus facult? des sciences de Tunis manar 1002 tunisie for this, the person interest can pay the price of dvd vierge or come with her support to obtain it. The club also install fedora in personal computer of person who want view or pass to fedora. Thank You 2007/2/6, Thomas Chung : > > All, > > This is a reminder that we still have about 40 un-fulfilled requests > waiting for Fedora Free Media for the month January 2007[1]. Please > accept at least one or two requests even if they are not from your > country. > > You can always *Give the Gift of Fedora*[2] via our Fedora Sponsored > Media Program[3] when you donate to participating vendors to send > media to someone who can't afford to get it for themselves especially > those in developing countries. > > Best Regards, > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/January > [2] http://www.redhat.com/fedora/ > [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 6 21:44:49 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:44:49 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Looking for Booth Volunteer for SCALE5X Message-ID: <369bce3b0702061344l65ad7d6fo6d10fd4798af54b6@mail.gmail.com> As many of you know, SCALE5X will be held this weekend. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SCALE5X If anyone living near Los Angeles would like to volunteer in Fedora Booth with me, please contact me as soon as possible. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gerold at lugd.org Wed Feb 7 09:42:28 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:42:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] [Fwd: [LT06-Pro-Announce] Infomail #1, Februar 7, 2007] Message-ID: <1170841348.3477.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> FYI personally I think we have to decide what to do latest on FOSDEM in Br?ssel ... Regards Gerold PS.: Is Red Hat this year part of Linuxtag???? -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- > Von: Marko Jung|LinuxTag > Antwort an: projects-announce at linuxtag.org, Marko Jung|LinuxTag > > An: projects-announce at linuxtag.org > Betreff: [LT06-Pro-Announce] Infomail #1, Februar 7, 2007 > Datum: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:35:44 +0100 > > Dear Project, > > with this mailing we would like to inform you about: > o Call for Projects > o Project Workshops > > > 1. Call for Projects > > Today we start the official 'Call for Projects' to exhibit at the > 13th LinuxTag, May 30 - June 3, 2007 at Messegel?nde unter dem Funkturm, > Berlin, Germany. Detailed information can be found at LinuxTag's website > [1]. Please take a look at our terms and read the FAQ. (An English > translation of the FAQ will be provided soon.) > > The project committee has a very hard job to decide for some projects > whether they will get a booth (sponsored by LinuxTag) or we have to > charge them for it because of its strong commercial background. This > decision is not easy to make and differs in each case, but we try to > make it fair for everybody. Therefore we have updated the Virtual > Conference Center [2] with some new questions concerning your projects > contributors and community. By providing us as much information as > possible, you can help us to ensure that only non-commercial projects > can benefit from the sponsored booths. > > You should submit your application as soon as possible, because first > application round ends February 23, 2007. > > > 2. Project Workshops > > We would like to remember you not to forget to register for project > workshops. Similar to the years before we will offer you so called > "Workshop Rooms". Our plan is to jointly organise a "projects to > projects program" or "developer to developer program". As last year the > schedule will be published on LinuxTag's website, so the schedule will > be announced more widely. > > The main purpose for these rooms is to provide attending projects an > opportunity to talk to other developers (not necessarily from the same > project) and to go into detail for a larger group than what would be > possible at the booth. Please note: all workshops will be open to the > public and will be announced so. In special cases we can make an > exception, but we would like to discuss this in detail with you, if you > think a session should be non-public. LinuxTag provides presentation > equipment and probably Internet connectivity for all five rooms. You can > register for a workshop using your VCC-account and submit it like a > paper using category "Project Workshop". Normally a slot is 60 Minutes, > if your workshop takes longer leave us a note within your abstract. Also > do so, if you have a preference for the day. > > You can neglect the licence because it is not planned to distribute your > submission (like a paper for the conference program). But please do not > forget to choose the language for your workshop submission. English may > be your language of choice, but it is a valuable information for an > interested visitor. > > Please register as soon as possible. > > > > If you have any questions feel free to contact us. > > Regards, > > Susanne Pfeifer, Wolfgang Drotschmann, Marko Jung & Martin Schulte > Project Committee LinuxTag 2007 > > > [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/community/projects/cfpro.html > [2] http://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/ > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. 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In the next few days I come back with a alot of questions regarding the Linuxtag because I need your help, also your knowledge and manpower there ... Regards Gerold > -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- > > Von: Marko Jung|LinuxTag > > Antwort an: projects-announce at linuxtag.org, Marko Jung|LinuxTag > > > > An: projects-announce at linuxtag.org > > Betreff: [LT06-Pro-Announce] Infomail #1, Februar 7, 2007 > > Datum: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:35:44 +0100 > > > > Dear Project, > > > > with this mailing we would like to inform you about: > > o Call for Projects > > o Project Workshops > > > > > > 1. Call for Projects > > > > Today we start the official 'Call for Projects' to exhibit at the > > 13th LinuxTag, May 30 - June 3, 2007 at Messegel?nde unter dem Funkturm, > > Berlin, Germany. Detailed information can be found at LinuxTag's website > > [1]. Please take a look at our terms and read the FAQ. (An English > > translation of the FAQ will be provided soon.) > > > > The project committee has a very hard job to decide for some projects > > whether they will get a booth (sponsored by LinuxTag) or we have to > > charge them for it because of its strong commercial background. This > > decision is not easy to make and differs in each case, but we try to > > make it fair for everybody. Therefore we have updated the Virtual > > Conference Center [2] with some new questions concerning your projects > > contributors and community. By providing us as much information as > > possible, you can help us to ensure that only non-commercial projects > > can benefit from the sponsored booths. > > > > You should submit your application as soon as possible, because first > > application round ends February 23, 2007. > > > > > > 2. Project Workshops > > > > We would like to remember you not to forget to register for project > > workshops. Similar to the years before we will offer you so called > > "Workshop Rooms". Our plan is to jointly organise a "projects to > > projects program" or "developer to developer program". As last year the > > schedule will be published on LinuxTag's website, so the schedule will > > be announced more widely. > > > > The main purpose for these rooms is to provide attending projects an > > opportunity to talk to other developers (not necessarily from the same > > project) and to go into detail for a larger group than what would be > > possible at the booth. Please note: all workshops will be open to the > > public and will be announced so. In special cases we can make an > > exception, but we would like to discuss this in detail with you, if you > > think a session should be non-public. LinuxTag provides presentation > > equipment and probably Internet connectivity for all five rooms. You can > > register for a workshop using your VCC-account and submit it like a > > paper using category "Project Workshop". Normally a slot is 60 Minutes, > > if your workshop takes longer leave us a note within your abstract. Also > > do so, if you have a preference for the day. > > > > You can neglect the licence because it is not planned to distribute your > > submission (like a paper for the conference program). But please do not > > forget to choose the language for your workshop submission. English may > > be your language of choice, but it is a valuable information for an > > interested visitor. > > > > Please register as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > If you have any questions feel free to contact us. > > > > Regards, > > > > Susanne Pfeifer, Wolfgang Drotschmann, Marko Jung & Martin Schulte > > Project Committee LinuxTag 2007 > > > > > > [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/community/projects/cfpro.html > > [2] http://www.linuxtag.org/vcc/ > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I read on the jeuvinux french website (http://www.jeuvinux.net/article.php3?id_article=100) a very interesting benchmark between Vista, Fedora and Ubuntu under 3 differents games : * Quake 4 * Enemy Territory * Unreal Tournament 2004 The hardware conf is very good : Cpu : Intel Core2Duo 6400 @ 2,13Ghz Mobo : Asus P5B M?mory : 2 x 1Go Graphical Card : ATI Radeon X850XT en PCI-e 16x Hard Drive : Samsung SATA 80Go ? Cache 8Mo The result is very poor for Vista under Quake 4 and Enemy Territory. Just look at the benchmark graph. Best regards Armel From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Feb 8 17:30:36 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:30:36 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Benchmark Vista / Fedora /Unbutu In-Reply-To: <56085.81.48.202.86.1170950367.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> References: <1170841348.3477.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <56085.81.48.202.86.1170950367.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45CB5E3C.8000502@prodigy.net.mx> Armelk escribi?: > Good Afternoon Fedora Team, > > This is the first benchmark under Vista, Fedora and Unbutu. > I read on the jeuvinux french website > (http://www.jeuvinux.net/article.php3?id_article=100) a very interesting > benchmark between Vista, Fedora and Ubuntu under 3 differents games : > * Quake 4 > * Enemy Territory > * Unreal Tournament 2004 > > The hardware conf is very good : > Cpu : Intel Core2Duo 6400 @ 2,13Ghz > Mobo : Asus P5B > M?mory : 2 x 1Go > Graphical Card : ATI Radeon X850XT en PCI-e 16x > Hard Drive : Samsung SATA 80Go ? Cache 8Mo > > The result is very poor for Vista under Quake 4 and Enemy Territory. > > Just look at the benchmark graph. > > Best regards > > Armel > > Interesting results, albeit, the UT2004 wasn't an Apples-to-Apples (pun intended) comparison, as the Windows version was ran with the DirectX renderer instead of the OpenGL one (as evidenced by the huge leap in performance), which is the one used on Linux, it would be much more acurate to see one with OpenGL on the Windows version. However the ATi driver isn't what you'd call a speeder either, and it apparently isn't so too in Windows, at least for OpenGL, nevertheless, these are interesting results... Also was Aero enabled for the tests? Aero has a DirectX context opened at all times, so DirectX apps will obviously run faster than OpenGL (a secondary API running at the same time as Aero, which might explain the poor OpenGL performance) From mackay3 at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 18:34:28 2007 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:34:28 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Benchmark Vista / Fedora /Unbutu In-Reply-To: <45CB5E3C.8000502@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1170841348.3477.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <56085.81.48.202.86.1170950367.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <45CB5E3C.8000502@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00702081034g7c136ba7o1146aebcf982968@mail.gmail.com> I also read here http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/17/gameplay-only-gets-worse-with-vista/about Vista driver?s problems that arent yet ready. Anyways, I also think the aero interface would supose negative performance, so turning it off before playing would be ideal. On 2/8/07, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Armelk escribi?: > > Good Afternoon Fedora Team, > > > > This is the first benchmark under Vista, Fedora and Unbutu. > > I read on the jeuvinux french website > > (http://www.jeuvinux.net/article.php3?id_article=100) a very interesting > > benchmark between Vista, Fedora and Ubuntu under 3 differents games : > > * Quake 4 > > * Enemy Territory > > * Unreal Tournament 2004 > > > > The hardware conf is very good : > > Cpu : Intel Core2Duo 6400 @ 2,13Ghz > > Mobo : Asus P5B > > M?mory : 2 x 1Go > > Graphical Card : ATI Radeon X850XT en PCI-e 16x > > Hard Drive : Samsung SATA 80Go ? Cache 8Mo > > > > The result is very poor for Vista under Quake 4 and Enemy Territory. > > > > Just look at the benchmark graph. > > > > Best regards > > > > Armel > > > > > > Interesting results, albeit, the UT2004 wasn't an Apples-to-Apples (pun > intended) comparison, as the Windows version was ran with the DirectX > renderer instead of the OpenGL one (as evidenced by the huge leap in > performance), which is the one used on Linux, it would be much more > acurate to see one with OpenGL on the Windows version. However the ATi > driver isn't what you'd call a speeder either, and it apparently isn't > so too in Windows, at least for OpenGL, nevertheless, these are > interesting results... Also was Aero enabled for the tests? Aero has a > DirectX context opened at all times, so DirectX apps will obviously run > faster than OpenGL (a secondary API running at the same time as Aero, > which might explain the poor OpenGL performance) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihedmm at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 18:40:16 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:40:16 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Benchmark Vista / Fedora /Unbutu In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00702081034g7c136ba7o1146aebcf982968@mail.gmail.com> References: <1170841348.3477.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <56085.81.48.202.86.1170950367.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <45CB5E3C.8000502@prodigy.net.mx> <5d88dfb00702081034g7c136ba7o1146aebcf982968@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0702081040x277efb32u452ec590d6efd7d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, for the fun the ati driver version in fedora install is upper then the other. and this show the work of developer to give for fedora user the best product. thank you 2007/2/8, John Mackay : > > I also read here > http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/17/gameplay-only-gets-worse-with-vista/about Vista driver?s problems that arent yet ready. > Anyways, I also think the aero interface would supose negative > performance, so turning it off before playing would be ideal. > > On 2/8/07, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > > > Armelk escribi?: > > > Good Afternoon Fedora Team, > > > > > > This is the first benchmark under Vista, Fedora and Unbutu. > > > I read on the jeuvinux french website > > > ( http://www.jeuvinux.net/article.php3?id_article=100) a very > > interesting > > > benchmark between Vista, Fedora and Ubuntu under 3 differents games : > > > * Quake 4 > > > * Enemy Territory > > > * Unreal Tournament 2004 > > > > > > The hardware conf is very good : > > > Cpu : Intel Core2Duo 6400 @ 2,13Ghz > > > Mobo : Asus P5B > > > M?mory : 2 x 1Go > > > Graphical Card : ATI Radeon X850XT en PCI-e 16x > > > Hard Drive : Samsung SATA 80Go ? Cache 8Mo > > > > > > The result is very poor for Vista under Quake 4 and Enemy Territory. > > > > > > Just look at the benchmark graph. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Armel > > > > > > > > > > Interesting results, albeit, the UT2004 wasn't an Apples-to-Apples (pun > > intended) comparison, as the Windows version was ran with the DirectX > > renderer instead of the OpenGL one (as evidenced by the huge leap in > > performance), which is the one used on Linux, it would be much more > > acurate to see one with OpenGL on the Windows version. However the ATi > > driver isn't what you'd call a speeder either, and it apparently isn't > > so too in Windows, at least for OpenGL, nevertheless, these are > > interesting results... Also was Aero enabled for the tests? Aero has a > > DirectX context opened at all times, so DirectX apps will obviously run > > faster than OpenGL (a secondary API running at the same time as Aero, > > which might explain the poor OpenGL performance) > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Feb 8 18:50:58 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:50:58 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Benchmark Vista / Fedora /Unbutu In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0702081040x277efb32u452ec590d6efd7d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1170841348.3477.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <56085.81.48.202.86.1170950367.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> <"5d88dfb00702081034g7c136ba7o11 46aebcf982968"@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CB7112.6090205@prodigy.net.mx> nihed mbarek escribi?: > Hi, > for the fun the ati driver version in fedora install is upper then the > other. and this show the work of developer to give for fedora user the > best product. > thank you Interesting... I did not notice it... In any case, kudos should go to the livna packagers of the ATi drivers! KUDOS! From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 9 21:49:06 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:49:06 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List Message-ID: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> There have been several discussions on merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List. Since there are two groups with two different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list should be survived, I would like to propose a new Fedora Mailing List with a new name which everyone can agree. Based on comparing other distros mailing lists and ours and some comments made in the past, I would like to propose "Fedora-Advocates-List" * http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html * https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ * http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Mailing_Lists * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate * http://www.redhat.com/magazine/018apr06/departments/red_hat_speaks/ * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2005-October/msg00069.html Please tell us your feedback and opinion and FAMSco will put this on a vote two weeks from today. Regards. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 10 01:59:48 2007 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:59:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171072788.5011.6.camel@redhat> On 09-02-2007, fri at 13:49 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > There have been several discussions on merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List > and Fedora-Marketing-List. Since there are two groups with two > different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list > should be survived, I would like to propose a new Fedora Mailing List > with a new name which everyone can agree. > > Based on comparing other distros mailing lists and ours and some > comments made in the past, I would like to propose > "Fedora-Advocates-List" > > * http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html > * https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ > * http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Mailing_Lists > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate > * http://www.redhat.com/magazine/018apr06/departments/red_hat_speaks/ > * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2005-October/msg00069.html > > Please tell us your feedback and opinion and FAMSco will put this on a > vote two weeks from today. Hi, Hmm, I'm not sure whether we should absolutely eliminate the lists and create new with a new name. My opinion is that if the Ambassadors Project is a part of Marketing Project, maybe it would be good to retain the fedora-marketing-list and discuss all of the matters connected with marketing there. This is only my opinion and if a new list will be created I will be also satisfied :) Regards, Pawel From dimitris at glezos.com Sat Feb 10 04:34:58 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:34:58 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List In-Reply-To: <1171072788.5011.6.camel@redhat> References: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> <1171072788.5011.6.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <45CD4B72.8040804@glezos.com> O/H Pawel Sadowski ??????: > On 09-02-2007, fri at 13:49 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: >> There have been several discussions on merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List >> and Fedora-Marketing-List. Since there are two groups with two >> different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list >> should be survived, I would like to propose a new Fedora Mailing List >> with a new name which everyone can agree. >> >> Based on comparing other distros mailing lists and ours and some >> comments made in the past, I would like to propose >> "Fedora-Advocates-List" >> > Hmm, I'm not sure whether we should absolutely eliminate the lists and > create new with a new name. My opinion is that if the Ambassadors > Project is a part of Marketing Project, maybe it would be good to retain > the fedora-marketing-list and discuss all of the matters connected with > marketing there. This is only my opinion and if a new list will be > created I will be also satisfied :) +1 -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 10 10:41:36 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:41:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List and Fedora-Marketing-List In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0702091349u714cd570g86f7005434e4217c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702100241x526fe38ev79b74d7780c96645@mail.gmail.com> On 2/9/07, Thomas Chung wrote: Hello Thomas and everyone, > There have been several discussions on merging Fedora-Ambassadors-List > and Fedora-Marketing-List. Since there are two groups with two > different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list > should be survived, I would like to propose a new Fedora Mailing List > with a new name which everyone can agree. > > Based on comparing other distros mailing lists and ours and some > comments made in the past, I would like to propose > "Fedora-Advocates-List" Well, I guess you already know my opinion about it. Perhaps I should be directly in communicating my opinion about this. And yes, we have already talked several times about it, but in the end we have come up with a "NO" for the merge. I don't see why we should keep on discussing this over again and again. If core and extras are merging, this doesn't mean that we should be doing this here in the marketing world of fedora. Core and Extras are merging because they are strong teams. In fact that merge will only be a success, because their contributors have signed CLA and understand that they have responsibilities towards the fedora project. Now in the marketing world of fedora, we have ambassadors and people from the outside. Both aren't strong teams at all. To me fedora ambassadors project sounds like dying. Why ? Lack of commitment! I'm not saying lack of commitment of only FAMSCo, but also fedora ambassadors. We have now (today) from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification 161 CLA signed ambassadors. This 161 tells us that we have some ambassadors : - who are committed to the project and participate - who are new and are quite lost due to lack of orientation - who participates actively in other fedora projects but can't afford to spend time to fedora ambassadors project - who are "fedora name takers" people who wants to get the fedora status only. - [...] And yes, you can also see some ambassadors on that list who haven't yet signed CLA. Lack of communication ??? And among this 161, I know about 50 of them. I just want to tell you here that we should rather stick in building a strong fedora ambassador team. - Helping new ambassadors by a mentoring project - Helping other ambassadors who are preparing a particular event/legal local fedora association - Preparing for the F7 release. - [...] Example: Recently we have seen, some fedora ambassadors having difficulties with their particular events. What the fedora ambassador project has promised them during the preparation, they didn't receive it in time! And this, we have already talked about it before the previous FAMSCo election and we all agreed to some point. But have things changed since we last talked about it ? No. Then, we must solve internal problems/work first. Example2: If ThomasChung doesn't chair the weekly meeting, there is no meeting. Last thursday some of us on IRC didn't know when was the meeting, even me. Well is he the only one who is a Fedora Ambassadors ??? If we are definitely going to merge these 2 lists, it will only - make the above statements harder to realise - bring chaos with the booth/event organisation with respect to trust. - [...(things I can't recall for now).....] Well for the """Since there are two groups with two different opinions on which list should be eliminated and which list should be survived,""": the 2 groups don't have different opinions, afterall we all converge to marketing fedora and spread the fedora word. Where the two groups differ is in the organisation of the ambassador project in REAL WORLD. If we merge the 2 mailing lists: ambassador ML + marketing ML = ONE ML then ambassador project + marketing project = marketing project since ambassador project is a subset of the marketing project. Ok, now let's ask do we need fedora ambassador project after all ? Fedora Ambassadors will lose their fedora ambassador status. This implies we(the fedora project) are losing something which is unique to fedora. This uniqueness has unknowingly solved many local fedora problems. Since, Fedora Ambassador Project what else it does, it: 1- makes every local marketing agent of fedora to meet other local marketing agents of that particular country. 2- makes all local marketing agents of a particular country talk/discuss with other local marketing agents of different countries. (IRC meetings at #fedora-mktg and fedora ambassador mailing list, Fedora Ambassadors Day) 3- makes all these local marketing agents solve problem together FOR the SOLE fedora interest.(Fedora Ambassadors Day, FUDCons) You see now that local marketing agents are what we call Fedora Ambassadors. With this Fedora Ambassador Infrastructure, we are NOT creating internal fights between Fedora Ambassadors of a particular country for an event for example. Example: Those fedora ambassadors who prepared some events before, may have noticed that in the Ubuntu Community (the what so called largest linux community), 2 or more local Ubuntu teams apply for that particular event. You can even see something during the early stages of the event preparation, the organizers send those local Ubuntu teams emails that to tell them that there is in fact more than one Ubuntu booth registered. And very often those local teams doesn't like each other. I have see some :) and I'm happy it isn't the case till now in the Fedora World. What can we concluded?: - lack of organization - contributors don't converge to the same objectives - [...] While in the Fedora World, we inform the fedora ambassador list for the event preparation. And generally work on that ML rather than local MLs. I hope you see the "Upstream benefit" that Fedora keeps on saying. We had great local fedora communities popping up from that _Fedora Ambassador Infrastructure_: French, German, Indian, Brazillian. We are seeing right now brilliant Belgium Fedora Ambassadors in action. Ok, enough blabla, if not you won't read all of them. :) All these should now be telling you that we shouldn't destroy the wheel when we are the first to create one. But rather put on our effort to ENHANCE the wheel. Fedora Ambassador Project brings QUALITY to the Fedora Marketing. Fedora Marketing Project brings new Fedora Ambassadors in. And yes, -1 for the merge. regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 10 11:50:28 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:50:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Announcing FUDCon Brussels2007 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0702050236ia67f372oa988309cf1426cbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0702050236ia67f372oa988309cf1426cbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702100350u1d8be9e9tdc7e4d3c16b6509c@mail.gmail.com> Hello Thanks to FredericHornain we have now: http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/centosfedora Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Sat Feb 10 18:56:18 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:56:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Short info about Linux Solutions Event (France) Message-ID: <53052.192.168.0.123.1171133778.squirrel@akserver.dyndns.org> Good afternoon Fedora Community, the last week we have in France the major event about the Open Source and Linux (10 000 Visitors). In this event the major companies are present (RedHat, Novell, Mandriva, IBM Open Source, Alcove, Bull,...) and in parallel a lot of free associations or development are present to (Fedora, Debian, Unbutu, KDE,...) During this event a lot of French Fedora Ambassadors are present and the Fedora Users are present to. We have a lot of very interesting discussions about the future of Fedora, issues, requests, .... It's very interesting time for the Fedora French community to share the same knowledge and the same passion. In the Linux community, we have a very good image and Fedora is a serious distribution. But the French Ambassador Team doesn't play in the same division of Unbutu, Debian,... WHY ? No real support from the Fedora US, we waiting the Fedora DVD and Fedora T-Shirt. Special thank to RedHat EMA, Frantz Meyer, William Hoffman, for 100 Fedora Core 6 DVD. This is the second time we have the same issue with the Famsco, lot of promise but nothing in the acts. The French ambassadors are really despites. I cross the fingers for the next event WE have a VERY STRONG SUPPORT from the Famsco side, for your info, in France during the spring we have a lot of local events (Install Party, Linux Day,...) and the next major event for you is the Fosdem/Fudcon and I 'sorry I don't participate at this event. Have a nice day. ArmelKermorvant French Ambassador & Vice-President Fedora-FR From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 19:08:53 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:38:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digital freedom structured: From "The statesman" Slightly off the topic. Message-ID: Not directly related to Fedora..and not that this article provides you something new.. But worth taking a look. It's good to see that people are discussing and advocating FLOSS. 'Here are two links 1. http://www.anandabazar.com/11bus2.htm This is from a Bangla newspaper (A Indian regional language And Official language of Bangladesh). I am not translating the whole article.. It says that IT minister of West Bengal advocated for FLOSS and encourges using Linux in schools,colleges.He hopes that this reduction in cost will produce more manpower and increase the reach of technology and will take technology to a wider audience. 2. The second one is from The statesman.Titled: Digital freedom structured. "Sometime ago, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation was quoted in the Associated Press as saying, "Proprietary software companies hand out free copies for the same reason that cigarette companies give sample packs to college kids ~ to encourage addiction." http://www.thestatesman.net/page.arcview.php?clid=4&id=173454&usrsess=1 -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 11 19:15:19 2007 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:15:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digital freedom structured: From "The statesman" Slightly off the topic. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1171221319.8146.2.camel@redhat> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 00:38 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Not directly related to Fedora..and not that this article provides you > something new.. > But worth taking a look. It's good to see that people are discussing > and advocating FLOSS. > > 'Here are two links > > 1. http://www.anandabazar.com/11bus2.htm > This is from a Bangla newspaper (A Indian regional language And > Official language of Bangladesh). > I am not translating the whole article.. > > It says that IT minister of West Bengal advocated for FLOSS and > encourges using Linux > in schools,colleges.He hopes that this reduction in cost will produce > more manpower and increase the reach of technology and will take > technology to a wider audience. > > > 2. The second one is from The statesman.Titled: Digital freedom structured. > > "Sometime ago, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation was > quoted in the Associated Press as saying, "Proprietary software > companies hand out free copies for the same reason that cigarette > companies give sample packs to college kids ~ to encourage addiction." > > http://www.thestatesman.net/page.arcview.php?clid=4&id=173454&usrsess=1 > > -- > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi That's great! I'm happy to see that some countries are starting to see the advantages of using FLOSS. It's a pity that some of our politicians are saying "cheap country" and are still using expenxive proprietary software, which is also much worser than FLOSS... Regards, Pawel From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 15 15:21:15 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? Message-ID: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1 = no and 0 = prefer not to say). The questions to vote are: 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors List? 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? To vote, write: 1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) 2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC From simon at simline.de Thu Feb 15 15:44:41 2007 From: simon at simline.de (simon) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:44:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200702151644.46088.simon@simline.de> Am Donnerstag, 15. Februar 2007 16:21 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors > List? > > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? > > To vote, write: > > 1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) -1 > > 2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS > ONLY > -1 -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45D4831B.9080106@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1 > = no and 0 = prefer not to say). > > The questions to vote are: > > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors > List? > > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? > > To vote, write: > > 1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) > > 2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS > ONLY > > > The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC +1 on both counts. Rahul From fhornain at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 15:56:58 2007 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <200702151644.46088.simon@simline.de> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> <200702151644.46088.simon@simline.de> Message-ID: <3161376e0702150756u20f7f00bl22a88877ccc9d859@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 1) +1 2) 0 BR Fred On 2/15/07, simon wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 15. 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In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702150908x815b778hf1a457cef0c8fcb2@mail.gmail.com> On 2/15/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1 > = no and 0 = prefer not to say). > > The questions to vote are: > > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors > List? > > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? > 1) -1 2) -1 Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxtnow at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 17:17:21 2007 From: lxtnow at gmail.com (SmootherFrOgZ) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:17:21 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0702150908x815b778hf1a457cef0c8fcb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0702150908x815b778hf1a457cef0c8fcb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62bc09df0702150917pc11d06bi501ca0f99c82b72c@mail.gmail.com> > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors > > List? > > > > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors > > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? -1 -1 -- Xavier.t Lamien -- French Fedora Ambassador GPG-Key ID: F3903DEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Feb 15 17:39:13 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:39:13 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45D49AC1.3040100@elfshadow.net> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors > List? > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 1) +1 2) +1 From gpex at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 15 17:41:09 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:41:09 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] R: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List withAmbassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200702151741.l1FHf4fF001617@m-02.th.seeweb.it> -----Messaggio originale----- Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Francesco Ugolini Inviato: gioved? 15 febbraio 2007 16.21 A: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com; fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Oggetto: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List withAmbassador List ? This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1 = no and 0 = prefer not to say). The questions to vote are: 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors List? 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? To vote, write: 1) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0) 2) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From gerold at lugd.org Thu Feb 15 21:56:06 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:56:06 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? 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(Anonymous) -- From splinux at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 16 17:34:21 2007 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:34:21 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D5F6BF.1050800@glezos.com> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> <45D5F6BF.1050800@glezos.com> Message-ID: 1) +1 2) +1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihed at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 16 18:02:58 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:02:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> <45D5F6BF.1050800@glezos.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0702161002r143ba842n77c4e4920d58d1e7@mail.gmail.com> 1) +1 2) +1 2007/2/16, Damien Durand : > > 1) +1 > 2) +1 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 16 18:44:42 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:14:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Vibrancy of Fedora Message-ID: <45D5FB9A.6030409@fedoraproject.org> Hi "We look at the vibrancy of the Fedora Project, our open source community. Fedora is Red Hat's vehicle for bringing advanced technology really quickly to end-users. The last release of Fedora has been out for about four months and we are averaging more than 100,000 downloads a week and 1.5 million downloads total. Compare that 100,000 a week to Oracle with their release of Oracle Linux. We reach in seven hours what they reached in their very first month of releasing that source code." http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=18&articleId=9011404&intsrc=hm_topic http://www.infoworld.com/video/archives/2007/02/red_hat.html Since we are actually track IP connections on updates instead of downloads, I suspect our actual download numbers are way higher. It appears we are going to hit 2 millions Fedora Core 6 users in a few weeks too. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 17 04:35:21 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:35:21 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1171686921.3265.433.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 16:21 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1 > = no and 0 = prefer not to say). I'm not sure I have the 'right' to vote in this poll, since I've effectively ignored both lists in question for a while. What is interesting are the reasons why I abandoned the lists are directly related to this discussion. And then I want to give you all a warning, because you are suddenly in dangerous territory, and I wonder if you know it. Fedora *must* have a list where pure, strategic marketing discussions can occur. This is a place where people who are otherwise very busy making other parts of Fedora succeed, can come to discuss some important ideas related to growing Fedora. Where people who are marketing professionals and who want to work with open marketing can come to be involved. This should be fedora-marketing-list. OTOH, there *must* be a list where tactical, day-to-day activities that enhance and grow Fedora can be discussed. This is where the various people who are active in promoting Fedora discuss specifics of events, activities, and other marketing programs. This should be fedora-ambassadors-list. The reasons I am mostly absent from these lists are: 1. The discussions on the strategic marketing list were being taken over with tactical discussions that belonged elsewhere. My desire as a Fedora leader who is busy elsewhere is to contribute to the strategic marketing of Fedora, and occasionally be involved in an event. Having to sort through the tactical ambassadors discussions on the strategic marketing list is a pain. 2. Because I had to sort content visually all the time, the [Fedora-subject-line-noise] made it impossible to see the actual Subject of the threads. I couldn't visually sort by Subject because it wouldn't fit on my standard screen. This meant having to check at least the first message in every thread, and hope someone didn't switch topics in the middle. 3. So, I'm sorting visually and have to crack each message to check if it is on topic for me, and then in f-ambassadors-l, only a portion of the messages are of interest to me. Because of the [Subject-line-noise], I cannot sort my interest from the others without reading nearly every post. Not able to get the [Subject-line-noise] removed, I abandoned reading these lists regularly. So, because of this history, I vote -1 against the merger of the lists. I don't think the solution is to merge them, but to *enforce the topics on these lists*. Then invite more the strategic thinkers and tactical doers to the lists, making it clear which discussions belong where. Now, what is my dire warning? It is this: Look at the poll results so far. The vote is nearly split evenly. Worse than that, *you are having to take a vote*. It is a tenant of our Fedora meritocracy that if you have to take a vote, you are in serious trouble already. Now that you see that the community is split 50/50, that is a bigger warning sign. Proceeding with a decision when you have such a split in the community is dangerous. It is likely to only drive the wedge even further. When you find yourself in this situation, the best things to do are: 1. Stop, take a step back, reassess. 2. Seek outside assistance, more than one set of eyes that can offer a fresh perspective 3. Look back at _what_ each group needs accomplished, without focusing on _how_ to accomplish it. - Keep the focus on what you want accomplished - Do not drift into how to accomplish it, which can be very hard for technical people to avoid Usually these steps are enough to offer a fresh direction that (nearly) everyone can agree upon. Now I've provided some of step 2., the outside perspective. What do you think about the rest? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Feb 17 19:29:49 2007 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:29:49 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <1171686921.3265.433.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> <1171686921.3265.433.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200702171329.53097.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 16 February 2007, Karsten Wade wrote: > Now I've provided some of step 2., the outside perspective. What do you > think about the rest? > I have already posted against the idea of merging the two lists before, expressing some of the same concerns. Inspired by Karsten's message, I have adjusted a few settings on this list. I have removed the subject prefix, which I think does more harm than good. Any of you who have filters focused on the subject should change those filters to use the 'X-BeenThere' header. I have also adjusted the descriptive text on the listinfo page. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list I'll accept the consequences of making these changes without taking a vote. I feel that it was the right thing to do, and so didn't need a vote. I feel that we should enforce more specific purposes for each list, and that we should keep two separate lists. My vote: -1 -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 17 22:12:20 2007 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:12:20 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ? In-Reply-To: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D47A6B.3010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1171750340.4659.1.camel@redhat> 1) -1 2) +1 From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Feb 20 04:19:14 2007 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:19:14 -0600 Subject: Ambassadors and Marketing list merger Message-ID: <200702192219.17612.nman64@n-man.com> Following the meeting of the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee, the decision has been made to keep the Ambassadors and Marketing lists separate. We will be working to make the objectives of each program and mailing list more clear to reduce confusion and make the lists as efficient as possible. Please work with us as we guide the discussions on these lists to get topics to the appropriate lists. Thanks, everyone, for your input. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? 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Thanks very much Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Feb 21 15:02:31 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:31 -0500 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070221150231.GA19910@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:54:46PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Read this article: > http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&tid=12 > . > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him, > directly or indirectly. I think Alan Cox's short answer was the best. Beyond that, there's not much to say. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From gmaxwell at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 15:05:11 2007 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:05:11 -0500 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Read this article: > http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&tid=12 > . > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him, > directly or indirectly. > > I hope that some developers can help us understand deeper the objections > and work together to change the situation. Before I loaded the URL I knew he would be complaining because we have not accepted proprietary and patent encumbered formats. I think the fact that he still harps on that point diminishes the credibility of the rest of his arguments. I am personally quite glad that Fedora has a long term vision of a world of truly free software, one which can't exist if in order to get useful things done we must load up on non-free formats. Non-free formats carry a high price even if they cost no money directly. It is unfortunate that a more long term perspective seems irreconcilable with ESR's short term wishes for desktop domination. From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 07:55:59 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:55:59 +0100 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1172044560.2850.9.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Op wo, 21-02-2007 te 15:54 +0100, schreef Francesco Ugolini: > Read this article: > http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&tid=12 > . > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him, > directly or indirectly. > > I hope that some developers can help us understand deeper the objections > and work together to change the situation. > > Thanks very much > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > OMG! Weep and cry, o beloved brethren, His ?berhackerness Eric S. Raymond had a dependency problem! Yikes! And what happened? ESR has just left the building... ... well, nothing lost there. His ?berhackerness is so happy with Click 'n' Run, let him play with that. And, to my great surprise, he closes the deal with a little praise of Ubuntu! Where have I seen th?t before? Not without having pissed a little on "free software", which is the well he bloody well knows he drinks from. Well Eric, you just have to wait for two more releases and Ubuntu will load your favourite blob by default! Congratulations, dude! regards, Herman From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 21 15:59:06 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:59:06 +0100 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him, > directly or indirectly. Hello there, Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally wanted to make mass publicity of his actions. See the CC: of his mail. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.html Don't feed the troll. See Christian Iseli made us a wonderful picture with some flowers. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01009.html Some users leave fedora, other new users download and install fedora. Our statistics show us the progress the overall fedora project has made. ESR is just a normal user, just like millions of linux users. Chitlesh. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 19:05:07 2007 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:05:07 -0800 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070221190507.GA26337@gja.in> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say: > Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i do not think the above comment is appropriate. Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant. -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in From prarit at redhat.com Wed Feb 21 19:18:42 2007 From: prarit at redhat.com (Prarit Bhargava) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:18:42 -0500 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DC9B12.8090102@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him, >> directly or indirectly. > > Hello there, > Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. Calling him a loser is out of line. IMO. P. From fusion94 at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 19:28:51 2007 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:28:51 -0800 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20070221190507.GA26337@gja.in> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> <20070221190507.GA26337@gja.in> Message-ID: <83D4020B-B324-446A-9012-1C97EAD47B0C@gmail.com> I myself do not agree with ESR's methodology. That said having known ESR for 9 years or so it doesn't surprise me either. ESR is pretty egomaniacal and likes to cause waves. This is just another one of his waves. Regardless of his credentials lot's of people have pushed open source since it's infancy without causing as much as a stir or without having to take issues public. -t -- Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net fusion94 at gmail.com On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say: >> Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally > > Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i > do not > think the above comment is appropriate. > > Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former > president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant. > -- > Tejas Dinkar > http://gja.in > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 21 20:02:44 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:02:44 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: [Devrooms-stands-news] [FOSDEM] We're almost there] Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702211202y48f6fdc7jc751d958f09b50aa@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, some updates to consider :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pascal Bleser Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:46:37 +0100 Subject: [Devrooms-stands-news] [FOSDEM] We're almost there Hi to everyone Only a few days left and we'll finally have FOSDEM 2007 \o/ A last batch of information regarding the Developer Rooms and stands. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY -- thanks ;) 1) Developer Rooms ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DevRooms only open at 14:00 on Saturday, not a second before. The point is, we only rent those rooms from 14:00 on and until then, they will all be filled with students taking courses and possibly even exams. This means that under no circumstances you should try to get into your devroom before 14:00. I will go around all the devrooms to check whether the students have effectively left the room at 14:00, but that might take a few minutes so you might want to get into your room and politely tell the prof that we are actually paying for those from 14:00 on ;) If they're still there when I pass by or after a few minutes, I'll tell them somewhat less politely to leave. But again: please do _not_ go into the rooms before 14:00 Thanks for your understanding. (obviously, if the prof and the students are leaving the room at 13:30 or 13:45, you may enter and take possession ;)) Because we were only able to get the rooms from 14:00 on this year, we've extended the devroom availability to 19:00 on Saturday. Please make sure that everyone has left your room at 19:00, as we (=staff) won't have a lot of time to close down everything. I'll go around all rooms at 19:00 to confirm closing the doors (they're remotely managed by the ULB security staff). On Sunday, we have the rooms all day so it won't be such a hassle. Availability is from 09:00 until 18:00 (here, also, please make sure you leave the room at 18:00). We provide a video projector and wireless network in every DevRoom. Most rooms actually have a built-in video projector -- for the few that don't, we will come to install it at 14:00 (or rather, let's say between 14:00 and 14:15). Each room will get a wireless access point that supports A and B (no G). Our network staff will do its best to deploy those APs as quickly as possible in all rooms, but as we have 16 developer rooms to manage, the wireless Internet connection might only be available at 15:00 in your room (because we can't enter the rooms before 14:00 either). If there are any issues, or questions, or whatever, go to the InfoDesk and let us know about it. They'll most probably ping me as I'll be busy running around everywhere all day ;) Note that this year we will have an InfoDesk in both buildings (H and AW), the main InfoDesk still being in H (for donations, ...) but there will be staff presence in the AW building as well. 2) Stands ~~~~~~~~~ All stands are in the H building. We will have built up the tables already, with A4 paper sheets sticked on them to let you know which ones are yours. You can just get into the building, look for your stand and start building up. Again, if you need information, poke us at the InfoDesk. I would recommend not coming too early in the morning to build up your stand, as there are still lectures being taken in the rooms in the H building until 14:00, which means it will be quite crowded (but then again, it's even more crowded when the DevRooms kick off ;)). If possible, come after 10:00 to build up your stand, that'll give us somewhat more time to prepare the network etc... We will provide both wired and wireless Internet access to the stands, down the H hall. The access points are quite powerful, so we hope that this time it will work smoothly ;) If you prefer wired/RJ-45 network connectivity, make sure to bring along a switch/hub as well as RJ-45 cables yourself: our network team will pull several cables to the stands, but not the endpoint connectivity (= you'll get RJ-45 plugs but no switches). Also, may I remind you again to also bring along power plugs and chords as we won't be able to provide you with those. Valuable material and devices can be stored into the room "Ferrer" (the one near the InfoDesk in the H building) on Saturday evening. That room will be locked up during the night, and if you sent me the relevant information about the devices, they will also be covered against theft by our insurance. Note that the security staff of the ULB is present on the campus 24/24. Let's please start closing the stands at 18:00 on Saturday, that'll make it easier for everyone. 3) How to get there ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://fosdem.org/2007/practical/transportation If you get there by car, a navigation system is recommended (signalization in Brussels is a nightmare) ;). If you get there by taxi, make sure to mention the "ULB" university and not just "university" -- point is, there are two universities in Brussels, the french-speaking one (ULB) and the dutch-speaking one (VUB). Also mention the "Solbosh campus" or, even better, the street ("Avenue Franklin Roosevelt"), as the ULB has several locations all over Brussels. Best practice is to print out the address mentioned on our website (see URL above) and hand it over to the cab driver. 4) Contact ~~~~~~~~~~ I'm available my email (loki at fosdem.org) until tomorrow (Thursday) (included) but will be almost impossible to reach by electronic means on Friday. If there are urgent issues, feel free to contact - me: +32 486 071035 or - the InfoDesk: +32 2 788 74 74 (but only for urgent issues ;)) If you still have questions, please let me know. Wishing all of you a nice trip to Brussels as well as a great time at FOSDEM 2007 (and hopefully we'll have a beer at http://fosdem.org/2007/beerevent ;)) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://www.fosdem.org /\\ FOSDEM 2007 :: 24+25 February 2007 in Brussels _\_v Free and Opensource Software Developers European Meeting -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From gpex at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 21 20:15:45 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:15:45 +0100 Subject: R: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200702212016.l1LKFrGG018941@m-02.th.seeweb.it> -----Messaggio originale----- Da: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Chitlesh GOORAH Inviato: mercoled? 21 febbraio 2007 16.59 A: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Cc: famsco-list at redhat.com Oggetto: Re: ESR gives up on Fedora On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer > him, directly or indirectly. Hello there, Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally wanted to make mass publicity of his actions. See the CC: of his mail. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.htm l Don't feed the troll. See Christian Iseli made us a wonderful picture with some flowers. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01009.htm l Some users leave fedora, other new users download and install fedora. Our statistics show us the progress the overall fedora project has made. ESR is just a normal user, just like millions of linux users. Chitlesh. +1 -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 21:45:21 2007 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:45:21 -0500 Subject: ESR gives up on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20070221190507.GA26337@gja.in> References: <45DC5D36.1050900@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0702210759h4e3a656awdb7f17d0f5c1a358@mail.gmail.com> <20070221190507.GA26337@gja.in> Message-ID: <556f970a0702211345j5718067dw89ea4cde65c778f7@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I wouldn't call him a loser. He's just fresh outta relevance. --jeremy On 2/21/07, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say: > > Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally > > Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i do not > think the above comment is appropriate. > > Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former > president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant. > -- > Tejas Dinkar > http://gja.in > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Feb 22 04:08:24 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:08:24 +0000 Subject: Statistics poster Message-ID: <45DD1738.1050606@glezos.com> Hi all. Just wanting to let you folks know that we managed to create and print for FOSDEM the poster with the Statistics [1]. [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/StatisticsPoster There are links at the page for the SVG in case someone wants to use it. Many thanks to M?ir?n Duffy for the help in the design, Joerg Simon and Olli for printing it and Rahul Sundaram for the constructive comments. Off to FOSDEM now. :-) -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 22 22:47:03 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:47:03 +0100 Subject: pre-Fosdem: final schedule Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0702221447p7c1e796fydcb5bac4194f0fdf@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I have already proposed this schedule (for friday) on the ML and during the meeting. No one contested it. So here you go: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM2007#social I've added some pictures to make it easy for anyone to find the meeting places. The germans and I will try to make our best to be there on time, but it all depends on the traffic. I think you can manage to find us a nice place meanwhile. (it's the item2 15h00 - 17h30 -Look for a nice place to chat (alias FAD )- still looking for one) Max and others have my phone number and contact me if ever you guys have figured out a nice place. :) Cheers, looking forward to see you tomorrow, Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 11:47:04 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:17:04 +0530 Subject: Annual tech meet- Daskhh 2007.. India Message-ID: Hi *, Dakshh is the annual technological event of Heritage Institute Technology, Kolkata,India. This year it will be on the 22nd and 23 rd March, 2007. Me and my friends are working to ake it a success. We are arranging a fedora event to induct people into GNU/Linux community, along with several other events. Our main focus is how and why people should get into Linux community what are the scopes of work here and how *they* may be benefited from this community. We hope that this event will be able to create some Linux awareness, which is surprisingly low here. Now, as a organiser of it, 'am cordially inviting you here. Would anybody be in Kolkata at that time? Here are the links www.dakshh.org http://dakshh.org/html/index.php/page/9.html Thanks, -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 23 20:21:44 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:51:44 +0530 Subject: Next Fedora release delayed, new design theme selected Message-ID: <45DF4CD8.6020202@fedoraproject.org> Hi Although there delays, changes, and challenges, Spevack says it will all come together to produce a great release. "Fedora 7 is ultimately about two things," he says. "The ability for users to make a custom spin of Fedora [and] the core/extras merge, which facilitates the above, and also allows greater community contributions." Spevack says the path to creating customs spins is on target and the important process of the full merge is underway so, soon, Red Hat and the Fedora community will "all be pointing in the same direction on a lot of engineering stuff like packaging, build system, and source control, etc. As long as we're making good progress, I'm happy." http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/22/1631225 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 24 16:12:37 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:42:37 +0530 Subject: ESR and Fedora Message-ID: <45E063F5.6040904@fedoraproject.org> Hi This is a superficial, factually incorrect and misleading article http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39286050,00.htm A couple of articles that does a much better editorial job. LXer Original Editorial: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/81919/index.html Followup: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/81995/index.html Linux Today Editorial: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007022302826OPCY Rahul From siddharth at techbugs.org Mon Feb 26 15:09:51 2007 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:39:51 +0530 Subject: Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki Message-ID: Hi folks.. I would like to suggest to change the Header and Footer images on the wiki to match the latest release of Fedora... i think a DNA blend in the graphic will give it a more vibrant look and with even better graphics coming every new release the Fedora website will look refreshing and new in just one change... comments/? Regards Siddharth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 09:42:37PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > This is a superficial, factually incorrect and misleading article > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39286050,00.htm > > A couple of articles that does a much better editorial job. > > LXer Original Editorial: > > http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/81919/index.html > > Followup: > > http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/81995/index.html > > Linux Today Editorial: > > http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007022302826OPCY > > Rahul From rdieter at math.unl.edu Mon Feb 26 17:53:03 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:53:03 -0600 Subject: Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki References: Message-ID: Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > I would like to suggest to change the Header and Footer images on the wiki > to match the latest release of Fedora... fedora-artwork has that as one of their tasks, to theme the wiki. -- Rex From duffy at redhat.com Mon Feb 26 18:04:34 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:04:34 -0500 Subject: Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E32132.6090205@redhat.com> Rex Dieter wrote: > Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > >> I would like to suggest to change the Header and Footer images on the wiki >> to match the latest release of Fedora... > > fedora-artwork has that as one of their tasks, to theme the wiki. This does not, and *should not* (IMHO) involve keeping up with the release 'themes' however. ~m From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Mon Feb 26 19:11:58 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Armelk (AKServer)) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:11:58 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki References: Message-ID: <00cb01c759da$2c3a7680$9000a8c0@W2000ARMEL> Hi Siddharth I agree with you, but I like we implement the new graphical charter (Fedora 7) on Fedora Projet Web site when we release and launch the new version. It's better in term of Fedora image and it's a major modification for the community. Do you agree this idea ? Best Regards ArmelKermorvant ----- Original Message ----- From: Siddharth Upmanyu To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com ; fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com ; fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [Ambassadors] Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki Hi folks.. I would like to suggest to change the Header and Footer images on the wiki to match the latest release of Fedora... i think a DNA blend in the graphic will give it a more vibrant look and with even better graphics coming every new release the Fedora website will look refreshing and new in just one change... comments/? Regards Siddharth -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 28 18:45:53 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:45:53 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Suggestion @ Fedoraproject / Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1172688353.4651.317.camel@erato.phig.org> (cross-posting to clear up where this discussion should land) On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 20:39 +0530, Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > > Hi folks.. > I would like to suggest to change the Header and Footer images on the > wiki to match the latest release of Fedora... i think a DNA blend in > the graphic will give it a more vibrant look and with even better > graphics coming every new release the Fedora website will look > refreshing and new in just one change... This is an interesting idea. It is a different practice than the past. To be clear, you are suggesting that starting now, we re-fresh the look of the Website to match the graphical look of the current release of Fedora. The best (and only) place to discuss this is on fedora-websites-list (Reply-to set), or by filing a bug report with examples/graphics/patches attached. f-ambassadors-l is for Ambassador business and event discussion, while f-marketing-l is a strategic marketing list. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The first reason is that in this way we can counter the user that use Fedora The second reason,this is a marketing reason, this is a good way which a Fedora user can distinguished about another GNU/Linux user.I want that people can undestand the "Fedora way".I want that Fedora User can say: "I'm a Fedora user, I'm a special person because I use this distro, because this distro are the best distro and i have have some that distinguish me from another generic user.I'm Fedora" I want that people can consider Fedora (the distro,the community and all around the project) as a way of life. 2)The second idea is this: I want to create something like a dating site but for Fedora user. Ok, I explain the idea about the dating site. I want to create a site where the user can meet other user in real time. The site can give at all the Fedora user around the world to know other Fedora user.Can give the possibility to resolv the problem that the newbie can have and in this way is possible to see that bihind the Fedora Project there are real people,and not only a mail address. Ok,can you say me wath do you think about this 2 idea? Best Regards, Giuseppe Pignataro Giuseppe Pignataro http://www.giuseppepignataro.net Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy A KDE italian translator Socio TAU Visual Member of ILS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: