From dimitris at michelinakis.gr Wed Jan 3 14:29:33 2007 From: dimitris at michelinakis.gr (Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:29:33 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers Message-ID: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> I'd like to create some laptop stickers. Is there an already made package which contains such stickers in vector (or high quality bitmap) format that i can just give to a printing service and get them done right away? If not, is there a place where i can get the Fedora logo so i can create my own? Thank you. -- Dimitrios Michelinakis Fedora Ambassador, Greece From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 3 14:25:05 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:55:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers In-Reply-To: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> References: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> Message-ID: <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > I'd like to create some laptop stickers. > > Is there an already made package which contains such stickers in vector (or high quality bitmap) format that i can just give to a printing service and get them done right away? > > If not, is there a place where i can get the Fedora logo so i can create my own? > > Thank you. > We don't have stock laptop stickers currently. If you are interested in coordinating efforts on that, do join the Fedora Artwork team at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork. The logo details are referenced from this page. Let me know if you require more help. Thanks. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 3 14:28:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:58:39 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers In-Reply-To: <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> References: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <459BBD97.1070900@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >> I'd like to create some laptop stickers. >> >> Is there an already made package which contains such stickers in >> vector (or high quality bitmap) format that i can just give to a >> printing service and get them done right away? >> >> If not, is there a place where i can get the Fedora logo so i can >> create my own? >> >> Thank you. >> > > We don't have stock laptop stickers currently. Quick update. We did have some laptop stickers done before by Diana Fong. I will poke and see if I can get them out in the wiki page. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jan 3 14:55:42 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:55:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers In-Reply-To: <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> References: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <53337.192.54.193.51.1167836142.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 3 janvier 2007 15:25, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >> I'd like to create some laptop stickers. >> >> Is there an already made package which contains such stickers in vector >> (or high quality bitmap) format that i can just give to a printing >> service and get them done right away? >> >> If not, is there a place where i can get the Fedora logo so i can create >> my own? >> >> Thank you. >> > > We don't have stock laptop stickers currently. If you are interested in > coordinating efforts on that, do join the Fedora Artwork team at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork. The logo details are referenced > from this page. Let me know if you require more help. Thanks. The french marketing list had some concepts designs of new fedora stickers, but IIRC they were not perfectly guidelines compliant and the effort died. -- Nicolas Mailhot From maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 3 14:57:29 2007 From: maxime.carron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:57:29 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers In-Reply-To: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> References: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> Message-ID: <1167836250.2977.4.camel@max.falloy.be> We had the same project, in the french team. Some picture have been created. You should contact http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/XavierLamien to get its. We are really interested in finding a good manufacturer, so if you have a good address... Maxime. Le mercredi 03 janvier 2007 ? 16:29 +0200, Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis a ?crit : > I'd like to create some laptop stickers. > > Is there an already made package which contains such stickers in vector (or high quality bitmap) format that i can just give to a printing service and get them done right away? > > If not, is there a place where i can get the Fedora logo so i can create my own? > > Thank you. > > > -- > Dimitrios Michelinakis > Fedora Ambassador, Greece > -- Maxime Carron Fedora Ambassador Fedora-fr Community Manager - http://www.fedora-fr.org From dimitris at michelinakis.gr Wed Jan 3 19:02:11 2007 From: dimitris at michelinakis.gr (Dimitrios 'sehh' Michelinakis) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:02:11 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] laptop stickers In-Reply-To: <459BBD97.1070900@fedoraproject.org> References: <20070103162933.0b350a53@ekolaptis.> <459BBCC1.7030804@fedoraproject.org> <459BBD97.1070900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070103210211.154fa3b6@ekolaptis.> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:58:39 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Quick update. We did have some laptop stickers done before by Diana > Fong. I will poke and see if I can get them out in the wiki page. Thank you, much appriciated! -- Dimitrios Michelinakis From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 4 06:42:19 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:42:19 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 Message-ID: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to fulfill 78 requests from December list[2]. Please accept one or two requests even if they are not from your countries. Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora Sponsored Media Program[3]. For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from On-Disk.com[4] and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from Fedora Free Media Program. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia [4] http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 Thank you and Happy New Year! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 09:30:50 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:30:50 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> I read that Fedora products are not supposed to be shipped to "Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria". However, I don't live in the US, so I guess this nonsense does not apply to me? I suppose I can simply send CDs to those countries? There are two equests from Iran. Happy new year to you to. herman Op wo, 03-01-2007 te 22:42 -0800, schreef Thomas Chung: > Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to fulfill 78 > requests from December list[2]. > Please accept one or two requests even if they are not from your countries. > > Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora Sponsored Media Program[3]. > For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from On-Disk.com[4] > and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from Fedora Free > Media Program. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December > [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > [4] http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 > > Thank you and Happy New Year! > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jan 4 15:24:13 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:24:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: As a US citizen myself, I will certainly obey my local laws. I encourage you to obey your local laws as well. --g On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, hymno3 wrote: > I read that Fedora products are not supposed to be shipped to "Cuba, > Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria". However, I don't live in the > US, so I guess this nonsense does not apply to me? I suppose I can > simply send CDs to those countries? There are two equests from Iran. > > Happy new year to you to. > > herman > > Op wo, 03-01-2007 te 22:42 -0800, schreef Thomas Chung: >> Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to fulfill 78 >> requests from December list[2]. >> Please accept one or two requests even if they are not from your countries. >> >> Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora Sponsored Media Program[3]. >> For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from On-Disk.com[4] >> and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from Fedora Free >> Media Program. >> >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia >> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December >> [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia >> [4] http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 >> >> Thank you and Happy New Year! >> -- >> Thomas Chung >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 15:48:13 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:48:13 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Well, naturally a US embargo of these countries is not something I have to worry about. I don't think a couple Fedora CDs will be turnedinto weaponsof mass destruction. :lol: But is it also illegal for *non*-Americans to take a free, officially American, Linux distribution off the internet, burn it to CDs, and send it to someone in a US embargoed country? I just wonder, and I'm not a lawyer. :) herman Op do, 04-01-2007 te 10:24 -0500, schreef Greg Dekoenigsberg: > As a US citizen myself, I will certainly obey my local laws. I encourage > you to obey your local laws as well. > > --g > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, hymno3 wrote: > > > I read that Fedora products are not supposed to be shipped to "Cuba, > > Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria". However, I don't live in the > > US, so I guess this nonsense does not apply to me? I suppose I can > > simply send CDs to those countries? There are two equests from Iran. > > > > Happy new year to you to. > > > > herman > > > > Op wo, 03-01-2007 te 22:42 -0800, schreef Thomas Chung: > >> Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to fulfill 78 > >> requests from December list[2]. > >> Please accept one or two requests even if they are not from your countries. > >> > >> Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora Sponsored Media Program[3]. > >> For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from On-Disk.com[4] > >> and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from Fedora Free > >> Media Program. > >> > >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > >> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December > >> [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > >> [4] http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 > >> > >> Thank you and Happy New Year! > >> -- > >> Thomas Chung > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > >> > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > From sgk284 at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 17:05:22 2007 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:05:22 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> I'm not a lawyer either, but last I checked... American laws apply only to Americans :) Unless your country has some kind of agreement with the United States to respect our embargoes, then I can't imagine a scenario where you would need to worry about it. Regards, Steve On 1/4/07, hymno3 wrote: > > Well, naturally a US embargo of these countries is not something I have > to worry about. I don't think a couple Fedora CDs will be turnedinto > weaponsof mass destruction. :lol: But is it also illegal for > *non*-Americans to take a free, officially American, Linux distribution > off the internet, burn it to CDs, and send it to someone in a US > embargoed country? I just wonder, and I'm not a lawyer. :) > > herman > > > > Op do, 04-01-2007 te 10:24 -0500, schreef Greg Dekoenigsberg: > > As a US citizen myself, I will certainly obey my local laws. I > encourage > > you to obey your local laws as well. > > > > --g > > > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, hymno3 wrote: > > > > > I read that Fedora products are not supposed to be shipped to "Cuba, > > > Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria". However, I don't live in the > > > US, so I guess this nonsense does not apply to me? I suppose I can > > > simply send CDs to those countries? There are two equests from Iran. > > > > > > Happy new year to you to. > > > > > > herman > > > > > > Op wo, 03-01-2007 te 22:42 -0800, schreef Thomas Chung: > > >> Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to fulfill 78 > > >> requests from December list[2]. > > >> Please accept one or two requests even if they are not from your > countries. > > >> > > >> Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora Sponsored Media > Program[3]. > > >> For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from On-Disk.com > [4] > > >> and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from Fedora Free > > >> Media Program. > > >> > > >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > > >> [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December > > >> [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > > >> [4] > http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 > > >> > > >> Thank you and Happy New Year! > > >> -- > > >> Thomas Chung > > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 02:13:36 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:13:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> I had the same feeling, so in that case I suggest that in the following page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December the phrase "(Embargoed Destination)" be "(Embargoed Destination if sent from US)" or something. After all, fedoraproject.org is on the *World* Wide Web. :) The following page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export reads clearly: "Fedora's software and/or technical data may NOT be exported/reexported, either directly or indirectly, to the following U.S. embargoed or restricted destinations: (...)" I think this must be specified to "from the US" I guess. I do wonder what "exported, either directly or indirectly" means; It's FLOSS, and anyone connected to the internet even on Fiji can just download it legally, but if it's on a disk, suddenly it's a matter of US National Security? regards, herman Op do, 04-01-2007 te 12:05 -0500, schreef Stephen Krenzel: > I'm not a lawyer either, but last I checked... American laws apply > only to Americans :) Unless your country has some kind of agreement > with the United States to respect our embargoes, then I can't imagine > a scenario where you would need to worry about it. > > Regards, > Steve > > On 1/4/07, hymno3 wrote: > Well, naturally a US embargo of these countries is not > something I have > to worry about. I don't think a couple Fedora CDs will be > turnedinto > weaponsof mass destruction. :lol: But is it also illegal for > *non*-Americans to take a free, officially American, Linux > distribution > off the internet, burn it to CDs, and send it to someone in a > US > embargoed country? I just wonder, and I'm not a lawyer. :) > > herman > > > > Op do, 04-01-2007 te 10:24 -0500, schreef Greg Dekoenigsberg: > > As a US citizen myself, I will certainly obey my local > laws. I encourage > > you to obey your local laws as well. > > > > --g > > > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, hymno3 wrote: > > > > > I read that Fedora products are not supposed to be shipped > to "Cuba, > > > Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria". However, I don't > live in the > > > US, so I guess this nonsense does not apply to me? I > suppose I can > > > simply send CDs to those countries? There are two equests > from Iran. > > > > > > Happy new year to you to. > > > > > > herman > > > > > > Op wo, 03-01-2007 te 22:42 -0800, schreef Thomas Chung: > > >> Fedora Free Media Program[1] still need your help to > fulfill 78 > > >> requests from December list[2]. > > >> Please accept one or two requests even if they are not > from your countries. > > >> > > >> Alternatively, you can *sponsor* media via Fedora > Sponsored Media Program[3]. > > >> For example, you can order one or two Fedora media from > On-Disk.com[4] > > >> and ask to send all of the discs to fulfill requests from > Fedora Free > > >> Media Program. > > >> > > >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > > >> [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December > > >> [3] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia > > >> [4] > http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/36/products_id/180 > > >> > > >> Thank you and Happy New Year! > > >> -- > > >> Thomas Chung > > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > > Be an Ambassador || > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Jan 5 02:57:09 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:57:09 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <1167965829.17485.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 03:13 +0100, hymno3 wrote: > I had the same feeling, so in that case I suggest that in the following > page > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December > the phrase "(Embargoed Destination)" be "(Embargoed Destination if sent > from US)" or something. > After all, fedoraproject.org is on the *World* Wide Web. :) > > The following page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export > reads clearly: > "Fedora's software and/or technical data may NOT be exported/reexported, > either directly or indirectly, to the following U.S. embargoed or > restricted destinations: (...)" > > I think this must be specified to "from the US" I guess. > I do wonder what "exported, either directly or indirectly" means; It's > FLOSS, and anyone connected to the internet even on Fiji can just > download it legally, but if it's on a disk, suddenly it's a matter of US > National Security? > > regards, > herman Its actually related to goods. For example you export something to China who then re-exports it to Iran. If the original person is American they can get in trouble. The laws are/were originally directed towards hard physical goods. HTH Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 5 16:51:05 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:21:05 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <459E81F9.9050709@fedoraproject.org> hymno3 wrote: > I do wonder what "exported, either directly or indirectly" means; It's > FLOSS, and anyone connected to the internet even on Fiji can just > download it legally, but if it's on a disk, suddenly it's a matter of US > National Security? Whether it or not is not our question. We just need to follow the local laws where applicable even if they are totally dumb. The laws were written mostly before the world of Internet and the ease of world wide distribution and many of them are obsolete. We still need to follow them to prevent liability issues. Rahul From besfahbo at redhat.com Sat Jan 6 00:05:58 2007 From: besfahbo at redhat.com (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:05:58 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <1168041958.28021.18.camel@home> On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 03:13 +0100, hymno3 wrote: > > I think this must be specified to "from the US" I guess. > I do wonder what "exported, either directly or indirectly" means; It's > FLOSS, and anyone connected to the internet even on Fiji can just > download it legally, but if it's on a disk, suddenly it's a matter of > US > National Security? That's the point. Everyone not in the US is free to ship to those destinations. But advertising it on a US-based server is considered indirect exporting. Laws are silly, yes. So, in short, just ship and tell the list that you shipped. As for everyone can download them, well, many companies ban IP addresses that belong to Iran. Sun, Paypal, etc, for example. > regards, > herman -- behdad http://behdad.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, in short, just ship and > tell the list that you shipped. Or, since Fedora is supposed to be a community effort having in high consideration the Freedom let's MOVE the fedoraproject wiki on an server outside USA and away from the direct control of Red Hat Inc USA. ..... a Nicola shocked about the latest news on privacy infringments _legally_ perpetrated to EVERY non USA citizen willing to go to USA -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 6 08:43:12 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:13:12 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <123EAE95-AD03-4B58-82CF-9F5B37CF64A7@yahoo.it> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1168041958.28021.18.camel@home> <123EAE95-AD03-4B58-82CF-9F5B37CF64A7@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <459F6120.60401@fedoraproject.org> Nicola Losito wrote: > Il giorno 06/gen/07, alle ore 01:05, Behdad Esfahbod ha scritto: > >> Everyone not in the US is free to ship to those >> destinations. But advertising it on a US-based server is considered >> indirect exporting. Laws are silly, yes. So, in short, just ship and >> tell the list that you shipped. > > > Or, since Fedora is supposed to be a community effort having in high > consideration the Freedom let's MOVE the fedoraproject wiki on an server > outside USA and away from the direct control of Red Hat Inc USA. How will that help? Red Hat is still the legal entity behind Fedora and while it has world wide presence is still headquartered in the US. When you realize that other countries are being strong armed to support things like software patents and pretty much every region has its own set of silly laws (I think there was a even regular TV Show about it), running away from the problem is not going to help. Rahul From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 09:09:54 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:09:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <459F6120.60401@fedoraproject.org> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1168041958.28021.18.camel@home> <123EAE95-AD03-4B58-82CF-9F5B37CF64A7@yahoo.it> <459F6120.60401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168074594.2739.12.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Op za, 06-01-2007 te 14:13 +0530, schreef Rahul Sundaram: > Nicola Losito wrote: > > Il giorno 06/gen/07, alle ore 01:05, Behdad Esfahbod ha scritto: > > > >> Everyone not in the US is free to ship to those > >> destinations. But advertising it on a US-based server is considered > >> indirect exporting. Laws are silly, yes. So, in short, just ship and > >> tell the list that you shipped. > > > > > > Or, since Fedora is supposed to be a community effort having in high > > consideration the Freedom let's MOVE the fedoraproject wiki on an server > > outside USA and away from the direct control of Red Hat Inc USA. > How will that help? Red Hat is still the legal entity behind Fedora and > while it has world wide presence is still headquartered in the US. When > you realize that other countries are being strong armed to support > things like software patents and pretty much every region has its own > set of silly laws (I think there was a even regular TV Show about it), > running away from the problem is not going to help. > > Rahul I wouldn't care where the servers are. Furthermore, I don't think we can equate the present US regime with the very decent American software firm RHAT. So, the only question I now have is, where in Iran do I send these CDs? ;) (I'm new on this list) I think it's 'dangerous' for this mailing list to get into too much of a political discussion, but I think America is definitely on a sliding slope of anti-constitutional laws. The US is (on the brink of being) a police state. The Patriot Act is a horror novel. Read it! Americans on this list, defend your civil liberties, your human rights and privacy ~ and then I'm only even mentioning domestic policies. Remember the English lady that said after the 7/7 attacks in London, "I think we should give up liberty for freedom". [sic] regards, Herman, nl, eu From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 6 09:25:49 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:55:49 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 In-Reply-To: <1168074594.2739.12.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> References: <369bce3b0701032242o49699fbfv48a3c5e5756cd907@mail.gmail.com> <1167903050.2868.4.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1167925694.2868.14.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1fa01fe80701040905if33691dh7c650f970987bef7@mail.gmail.com> <1167963216.10225.10.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> <1168041958.28021.18.camel@home> <123EAE95-AD03-4B58-82CF-9F5B37CF64A7@yahoo.it> <459F6120.60401@fedoraproject.org> <1168074594.2739.12.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Message-ID: <459F6B1D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> hymno3 wrote: > I wouldn't care where the servers are. > Furthermore, I don't think we can equate the present US regime with the > very decent American software firm RHAT. I know as I having been working for the firm even ;-) > > So, the only question I now have is, where in Iran do I send these > CDs? ;) (I'm new on this list) Take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/. Join as a contributor and subscribe to the fedora-freemedia-list. You have a number of people requesting media on a regular basis. If you require more help, let me know or you can mail Thomas Chung offlist. Rahul. From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 19:23:54 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:23:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal Message-ID: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've a modest proposal that consist in the merge of Fedora Ambassador and Fedora Marketing mailing lists. The reson of this is that i've see that many time the discussions are the same and it's seems to me as a redundant thing. I think that if we want to work better we have to work togheter, put our power into something and be sure that is no lost time. Yes, if we consider it we have to consider to open ambassadors list to non ambassador people (as marketing is). I think it will be a new step to improve the project giving all interested people to join the project and simplify the infrastructure. Thanks Francesco Ugolini - -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoppKg22WPmV194kRAsiUAJ93KiIAV8FKxD2NNB5d7TCwY+68/gCeLj2q 5sh8+BBTSDYKint7dWEahbI= =+ysQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 19:37:30 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:07:30 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've a modest proposal that consist in the merge of Fedora Ambassador > and Fedora Marketing mailing lists. The reson of this is that i've see > that many time the discussions are the same and it's seems to me as a > redundant thing. > > I think that if we want to work better we have to work togheter, put our > power into something and be sure that is no lost time. > > Yes, if we consider it we have to consider to open ambassadors list to > non ambassador people (as marketing is). I think it will be a new step > to improve the project giving all interested people to join the project > and simplify the infrastructure. With the large number of infrastructure changes associated with Fedora 7, we have recently started discussing the idea of reorganizing the mailing lists. See https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-January/msg00104.html. So instead of opening up ambassadors list, I think it might be better to just merge ambassadors list with marketing list here and just discuss everything in this list instead. The original idea of ambassadors were contact points around events all over the world but that has substantially changed and increased the scope for the better over time. We opened up archives for ambassadors list a while back after my prodding. I think we are ready for a merge back now. Folks who want to be recognised as ambassadors can just follow the usual process. The rest of them marketing folks can continue discussing things here as usual. The advantage of this is that it gives us broader participation and visibility. Let me know what you guys think. Rahul From francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 19:42:54 2007 From: francesco.ugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram ha scritto: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I've a modest proposal that consist in the merge of Fedora Ambassador >> and Fedora Marketing mailing lists. The reson of this is that i've see >> that many time the discussions are the same and it's seems to me as a >> redundant thing. >> >> I think that if we want to work better we have to work togheter, put our >> power into something and be sure that is no lost time. >> >> Yes, if we consider it we have to consider to open ambassadors list to >> non ambassador people (as marketing is). I think it will be a new step >> to improve the project giving all interested people to join the project >> and simplify the infrastructure. > > With the large number of infrastructure changes associated with Fedora > 7, we have recently started discussing the idea of reorganizing the > mailing lists. See > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-January/msg00104.html. > So instead of opening up ambassadors list, I think it might be better > to just merge ambassadors list with marketing list here and just discuss > everything in this list instead. > > The original idea of ambassadors were contact points around events all > over the world but that has substantially changed and increased the > scope for the better over time. We opened up archives for ambassadors > list a while back after my prodding. I think we are ready for a merge > back now. Folks who want to be recognised as ambassadors can just > follow the usual process. The rest of them marketing folks can continue > discussing things here as usual. The advantage of this is that it gives > us broader participation and visibility. Let me know what you guys think. > > Rahul > +1 - -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFop6+g22WPmV194kRApsdAJ4niDWA9rtQDqPM8tNpG/7Dn8UJVwCgl+XT zpOULVbdwpGZe0jqKYQxAq4= =9m50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 20:42:36 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:12:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 reaches the 1 million mark in just 74 days Message-ID: <45A2ACBC.20706@fedoraproject.org> Hi The leading paragraph in this news item is misleading as the statistics are not about downloads but IP addresses that hit our update system. Our download rates are much higher but we dont have a central way to track them. Exciting times though. I am curious to see what the stats would look like for Fedora 7 with its multiple releases in place. http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/08/1937206&tid=107 Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 20:46:46 2007 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> +1 On 1/8/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul Sundaram ha scritto: > > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I've a modest proposal that consist in the merge of Fedora Ambassador > >> and Fedora Marketing mailing lists. The reson of this is that i've see > >> that many time the discussions are the same and it's seems to me as a > >> redundant thing. > >> > >> I think that if we want to work better we have to work togheter, put our > >> power into something and be sure that is no lost time. > >> > >> Yes, if we consider it we have to consider to open ambassadors list to > >> non ambassador people (as marketing is). I think it will be a new step > >> to improve the project giving all interested people to join the project > >> and simplify the infrastructure. > > > > With the large number of infrastructure changes associated with Fedora > > 7, we have recently started discussing the idea of reorganizing the > > mailing lists. See > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-January/msg00104.html. > > So instead of opening up ambassadors list, I think it might be better > > to just merge ambassadors list with marketing list here and just discuss > > everything in this list instead. > > > > The original idea of ambassadors were contact points around events all > > over the world but that has substantially changed and increased the > > scope for the better over time. We opened up archives for ambassadors > > list a while back after my prodding. I think we are ready for a merge > > back now. Folks who want to be recognised as ambassadors can just > > follow the usual process. The rest of them marketing folks can continue > > discussing things here as usual. The advantage of this is that it gives > > us broader participation and visibility. Let me know what you guys think. > > > > Rahul > > > > +1 > > - -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFop6+g22WPmV194kRApsdAJ4niDWA9rtQDqPM8tNpG/7Dn8UJVwCgl+XT > zpOULVbdwpGZe0jqKYQxAq4= > =9m50 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography http://amaier.net From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 21:05:43 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> On 1/8/07, Alex Maier wrote: > +1 I think It's a very bad idea to merge contributors and users. The other mailing lists are being merged for a specific reason, core and extras are being merged. Here, there is a different use of these 2 mailing lists(ambassadors,marketing). The ambassadors list is a mailing list intended for committed fedora contributors willing to help in marketing fedora and its projects. Whereas marketing list is the playground where we should encourage fedora users to propose/publish their comments. Having a separate mailing list for ambassadors makes it a special project. People want to join that special group and in the end this creates man power for various linux events. Ambassadors list is where serious discussions (concerning events) are taken place. If anyone pokes in, it will be a real chaos. Greg's dream of having Ambassadors spreading the fedora word might lose its quality. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Jan 8 21:16:07 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168290967.3142.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> If lists are reorganised please make sure they all use the same mailman header patters I have this on my procmailrc :0 * ^Return-Path: * ^List-Id:.* * ^X-loop: fedora(-|-(ambassadors|art|desktop|devel|extras|fr|marketing|trans|test|selinux)-)list at redhat.com * ^X-BeenThere: fedora(-|-(ambassadors|art|desktop|devel|extras|fr|marketing|trans|test|selinux)-)list at redhat.com $FEDORA Which unfortunately does not work for all Fedora lists. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A bit of history here for all who's got a second to read this. The Marketing list was created originally with the same idea in mind--to promote (market) Fedora. As the list was just a list, and did not have a governing body or a mission statement, it eventually became what it is now--a discussion forum, not a group that was able to accomplish goals. And that is what it still is. When the time came, and deeds were asked, the Marketing list was not able to deliver, and the Ambassadors group was created. Since then, the Ambassadors went on to accomplish a lot of stuff, and the Marketing list is still a list. The question arises, what exactly is the point of the list, if most Ambassadors are its members and the only people who are empowered to take any action on whatever is discussed on the Marketing list? > The ambassadors list is a mailing list intended for committed fedora > contributors willing to help in marketing fedora and its projects. > Whereas marketing list is the playground where we should encourage > fedora users to propose/publish their comments. Please note that it is almost exactly the same group of people discussing on both lists. The Ambassadors group is a very open one, and hurdles to joining are extremely low--I think all interested parties (those who wish to contribute to Fedora by brainstorming "marketing" ideas) could be quite easily integrated into the Ambassadors group. > Having a separate mailing list for ambassadors makes it a special > project. People want to join that special group and in the end this > creates man power for various linux events. Ambassadors list is where > serious discussions (concerning events) are taken place. If anyone > pokes in, it will be a real chaos. No users beyond this point please? I strongly believe in openness and meritocracy. So far, we have 193 members in the Ambassadors group--pretty much enough people to create all the chaos you can take. And yet, we're pretty good at organizing ourselves and policing the few rules we have. Inviting an additional hundred or two into the group will not make the project weaker. The Ambassadors are not a "special" force who preach onto the footfolk. We ARE the footfolk, we ARE the users, and if we are not ready to talk with the users and on their level, we have no reason and right to talk to them at all. > Greg's dream of having Ambassadors spreading the fedora word might > lose its quality. Greg had a dream... Oh well, let Greg correct me if I am wrong. /me bows before Greg From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 21:50:19 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:50:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <7f617d270701081340h44488e26yfc17632633b09b65@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270701081340h44488e26yfc17632633b09b65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0701081350w29686125o8d96910b823799d6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/8/07, Alex Maier wrote: > Inviting an additional hundred or two into the group will not make the > project weaker. The Ambassadors are not a "special" force who preach > onto the footfolk. We ARE the footfolk, we ARE the users, and if we > are not ready to talk with the users and on their level, we have no > reason and right to talk to them at all. Not weaker, but it might affect quality. Many other projects envy us for that quality. Personally, I think Fedora Marketing hasn't got the love it should have got. The topic of "How Fedora 7 will be called" should happen in the Fedora Marketing List, for example. > Greg had a dream... Oh well, let Greg correct me if I am wrong. > > /me bows before Greg HAD a dream ? He has no longer that dream? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 8 21:51:36 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:51:36 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <7f617d270701081340h44488e26yfc17632633b09b65@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270701081340h44488e26yfc17632633b09b65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0701081351v10fc537dkeed0e22536612207@mail.gmail.com> On 1/8/07, Alex Maier wrote: >... > I strongly believe in openness and meritocracy. So far, we have 193 > members in the Ambassadors group--pretty much enough people to create > all the chaos you can take. And yet, we're pretty good at organizing > ourselves and policing the few rules we have. A minor correction. We have 155 *verified* Fedora Ambassadors. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Jan 8 21:58:04 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:58:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0701081350w29686125o8d96910b823799d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> <45A29EBE.4060204@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270701081340h44488e26yfc17632633b09b65@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081350w29686125o8d96910b823799d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168293484.3142.5.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Closed + Open dual list on the same topics is a very bad idea. People on the open list always end up suspecting dark designs are discussed on the closed list (see also: xfree86 debacle) -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 9 01:38:11 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:38:11 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <45A29D7A.6000003@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168306691.5393.0.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 01:07 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I've a modest proposal that consist in the merge of Fedora Ambassador > > and Fedora Marketing mailing lists. The reson of this is that i've see > > that many time the discussions are the same and it's seems to me as a > > redundant thing. > > > > I think that if we want to work better we have to work togheter, put our > > power into something and be sure that is no lost time. > > > > Yes, if we consider it we have to consider to open ambassadors list to > > non ambassador people (as marketing is). I think it will be a new step > > to improve the project giving all interested people to join the project > > and simplify the infrastructure. > > With the large number of infrastructure changes associated with Fedora > 7, we have recently started discussing the idea of reorganizing the > mailing lists. See > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-January/msg00104.html. > So instead of opening up ambassadors list, I think it might be better > to just merge ambassadors list with marketing list here and just discuss > everything in this list instead. > > The original idea of ambassadors were contact points around events all > over the world but that has substantially changed and increased the > scope for the better over time. We opened up archives for ambassadors > list a while back after my prodding. I think we are ready for a merge > back now. Folks who want to be recognised as ambassadors can just > follow the usual process. The rest of them marketing folks can continue > discussing things here as usual. The advantage of this is that it gives > us broader participation and visibility. Let me know what you guys think. > > Rahul > +1 From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 9 01:38:59 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:38:59 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 reaches the 1 million mark in just 74 days In-Reply-To: <45A2ACBC.20706@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A2ACBC.20706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168306739.5393.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 02:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > The leading paragraph in this news item is misleading as the statistics > are not about downloads but IP addresses that hit our update system. Our > download rates are much higher but we dont have a central way to track > them. Exciting times though. I am curious to see what the stats would > look like for Fedora 7 with its multiple releases in place. > > http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/08/1937206&tid=107 > > Rahul > Question what happens when you use a local mirror? It doesn't go to the central repository since I set up my own yum mirror list? Regards, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 9 07:44:21 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:14:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 reaches the 1 million mark in just 74 days In-Reply-To: <1168306739.5393.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <45A2ACBC.20706@fedoraproject.org> <1168306739.5393.2.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <45A347D5.7080603@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 02:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> The leading paragraph in this news item is misleading as the statistics >> are not about downloads but IP addresses that hit our update system. Our >> download rates are much higher but we dont have a central way to track >> them. Exciting times though. I am curious to see what the stats would >> look like for Fedora 7 with its multiple releases in place. >> >> http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/08/1937206&tid=107 >> >> Rahul >> > > Question what happens when you use a local mirror? It doesn't go to the > central repository since I set up my own yum mirror list? It doesnt. It is all explained in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics. Rahul From simon at simline.de Tue Jan 9 08:07:45 2007 From: simon at simline.de (simon) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] M-L proposal In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A29A4A.2030000@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270701081246i2cd983dx8b1555cf4c84adcc@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0701081305j2230c92bu1d75dabb90492bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701090907.50358.simon@simline.de> Am Montag, 8. Januar 2007 22:05 schrieb Chitlesh GOORAH: > I think It's a very bad idea to merge contributors and users. > The other mailing lists are being merged for a specific reason, core > and extras are being merged. > . > . > Greg's dream of having Ambassadors spreading the fedora word might > lose its quality. I Couldn't better say that. -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[cut] > The ambassadors list is a mailing list intended for committed fedora > contributors willing to help in marketing fedora and its projects. > Whereas marketing list is the playground where we should encourage > fedora users to propose/publish their comments. I'm with Chitlesh on this topic, all the way. +1 for _not_ merging (and keep mails in the list in topic) -- Nicola Losito kOoLiNuS blog: http://koolinus.wordpress.com messaging AIM/G-Talk/Yahoo: koolinus From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 9 17:47:37 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:17:37 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] More on the millions Message-ID: <45A3D539.5020307@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Red Hat's Fedora Core 6.0 Linux distribution has crossed the million user milestone. Is it enough for the community-driven Linux distribution to claim it's the most popular Linux version? Let's go to the stats. According to Fedora Project statistics, Fedora Core 6.0 has averaged 9.4 new installations every minute since the release of Red Hat's community driven distribution in late October" http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3652771 "On average, Red Hat is seeing over 95,000 Fedora Core 6 installs per week, which is a very high rate for an operating system, Linux or not. And the numbers are growing as time progresses, with recent weeks above 100,000 new installs and the Christmas and Hanukkah holiday week accounting for 130,000 downloads. Those numbers do not count installations from mirror sites on the Internet that distribute Fedora Core, by the way. (You can see the stats for Fedora Core 6 downloads on this page.)" http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb010907-story07.html Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 9 22:41:44 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:41:44 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] More on the millions In-Reply-To: <45A3D539.5020307@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A3D539.5020307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168382504.6216.1.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> I would say whats helped this a lot is the free media project. I'm not saying its the only thing but I think that has been one of the most successful projects launched to help non users to experience Linux and Fedora. On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 23:17 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > "Red Hat's Fedora Core 6.0 Linux distribution has crossed the million > user milestone. Is it enough for the community-driven Linux distribution > to claim it's the most popular Linux version? > > Let's go to the stats. According to Fedora Project statistics, Fedora > Core 6.0 has averaged 9.4 new installations every minute since the > release of Red Hat's community driven distribution in late October" > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3652771 > > "On average, Red Hat is seeing over 95,000 Fedora Core 6 installs per > week, which is a very high rate for an operating system, Linux or not. > And the numbers are growing as time progresses, with recent weeks above > 100,000 new installs and the Christmas and Hanukkah holiday week > accounting for 130,000 downloads. Those numbers do not count > installations from mirror sites on the Internet that distribute Fedora > Core, by the way. (You can see the stats for Fedora Core 6 downloads on > this page.)" > > http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb010907-story07.html > > Rahul > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 10 14:50:44 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:20:44 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support Message-ID: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> Hi Red Hat's next release of its community Linux distribution will sport a slightly modified name, more packages and a longer supported life.Since its inception in November 2003, Red Hat's community Linux project has been called Fedora Core; starting with version 7, it will be known simply as Fedora. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3653036 Rahul From cnegus at rucls.net Wed Jan 10 18:43:05 2007 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:43:05 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 20:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Since > its inception in November 2003, Red Hat's community Linux project has > been called Fedora Core; starting with version 7, it will be known > simply as Fedora. Sorry if I missed the final decision, but what was the reason for not calling the project Fedora Linux? It seems that Fedora Linux would google better for those who don't already know what Fedora is. -- Chris Negus From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Jan 10 18:49:42 2007 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:49:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <200701101349.43024.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:43, Chris Negus wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 20:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Since > > its inception in November 2003, Red Hat's community Linux project has > > been called Fedora Core; starting with version 7, it will be known > > simply as Fedora.????? > > Sorry if I missed the final decision, but what was the reason for not > calling the project Fedora Linux? It seems that Fedora Linux would > google better for those who don't already know what Fedora is. I don't think there ever was a final decision made by the Fedora Board. Once again, the media is just getting ahead of itself. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 19:33:24 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:33:24 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> Message-ID: * Chris Negus (2007-01-10 12:43 -0600) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Fedora Linux I'd prefer Fedora GNU/Linux or just Fedora. It's good to show the community our stance on free software. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From cnegus at rucls.net Wed Jan 10 20:45:55 2007 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:45:55 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: <200701101349.43024.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <200701101349.43024.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1168461956.13754.62.camel@einstein> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:49 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:43, Chris Negus wrote: > > Sorry if I missed the final decision, but what was the reason for not > > calling the project Fedora Linux? It seems that Fedora Linux would > > google better for those who don't already know what Fedora is. > > I don't think there ever was a final decision made by the Fedora Board. Once > again, the media is just getting ahead of itself. Well, it's nice to have the media care enough about Fedora to be spreading rumors about it. -- Chris Negus From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 01:27:03 2007 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/07, Leo wrote: > > * Chris Negus (2007-01-10 12:43 -0600) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Fedora Linux > > I'd prefer Fedora GNU/Linux or just Fedora. GNU/Linux isn't as Googlicious as Fedora Linux would be. Plus given the number of non-gpl and non-gnu components it doesn't really make sense, as much as it would make rms happy. 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I > like plain Fedora myself, since it's an os, and not the kernel, but > given things like Fedora Directory Service, Fedora Linux would be a > consistent naming convention. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 07:11:50 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:41:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Does not "Fedora Linux" sound a bit odd? No offence please :) But I think "Fedora" is a better choice than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From sgk284 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 07:54:28 2007 From: sgk284 at gmail.com (Stephen Krenzel) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:54:28 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fa01fe80701102354k6d7a288cv19c92f00aefb7257@mail.gmail.com> I have to agree with Susmit. "Fedora" is clean and appealing. "Fedora Linux" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, and I personally feel that there is no need at all to have GNU anywhere in the name. A lot of people deserve credit for what makes Fedora run, no need to single out any one entity. "Linux" has taken on an entirely different meaning than just "the kernel" these days. Used in different contexts, people think of linux as either just the kernel or as all of the components that generally run on top of it as well to make the operating system "complete". Regardless, my recommendation would be to just make the name "Fedora". Regards, Steve On 1/11/07, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > Does not "Fedora Linux" sound a bit odd? > No offence please :) > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". > > -- > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 09:37:49 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:37:49 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168508269.5531.37.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> Fedora! /me agrees too, Fedora Linux doesn't sound good. "Fedora" is just fine, as a *name*. Apart from using that name, marketing bla can add all kinds of subtitles. ;) Such as "Fedora: a (GNU/)Linux operating system", "Fedora, your open source computing environment", whatever. Some arguments: a) The "linux" in Fedora is not that different from the "Linux" in other distros; the difference Fedora makes is in other things. b) People using Fedora will "see" Fedora: its logos, its choice of software, its installer, its package manager, its artwork. They will not see Linux. c) Other successful Linux OSes are often used, and their official names are, without the word "Linux" attached to it, although people know it's "Linux inside". Take Ubuntu, Slackware, Gentoo. Except for "Suse Linux" which is more often used together (but Opensuse is not "Opensuse Linux" either). d) By avoiding either "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux", quasi-religious Stallman vs. Torvalds type wars will be avoided, which is a good thing. Waste of time. e) "Fedora Linux" would imply that in Fedora it is not possible to permit the theoretical use of another type of kernel. Solaris, BSD, it's all free software. Who knows what the future will bring? Linux will be around for a long time, but it's a strange world. f) "Fedora" already *is* the name most people give to Fedora. Language works like that, you can't superimpose names on names that are already used widely. Three syllables is a perfect amount of syllables. :) g) "Linux" is a trademark that is not owned by Fedora. This will not create a problem likely, since Linus Torvalds doesn't put much energy in protecting his trademark, but you never can tell. It's better to just be completely *independent*. h) Especially in Japan and Korea, "Fedora Linux" is a bit nasty to pronounce (Pedorarinuksu - two r's, unpoetic ;) ). And that's a huge market for computers and sotware. For what it's worth. regards, Herman Op do, 11-01-2007 te 12:41 +0530, schreef susmit shannigrahi: > Does not "Fedora Linux" sound a bit odd? > No offence please :) > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". > > -- > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 09:44:20 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <1fa01fe80701102354k6d7a288cv19c92f00aefb7257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: * Stephen Krenzel (2007-01-11 02:54 -0500) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I have to agree with Susmit. "Fedora" is clean and appealing. "Fedora > Linux" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, I am saying if we were to name it Fedora Linux, we should use GNU/Linux as GNU is actually the core of the system. > and I personally feel that there is no need at all to have GNU > anywhere in the name. A lot of people deserve credit for what makes > Fedora run, no need to single out any one entity. It's not about credit anyone. It is about protecting our freedom of using software. > "Linux" has taken on an entirely different meaning than just "the > kernel" these days. But it is just the kernel. How people understand it is another matter. > Used in different contexts, people think of linux as either just the > kernel or as all of the components that generally run on top of it > as well to make the operating system "complete". Regardless, my > recommendation would be to just make the name "Fedora". Regards, > Steve -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From igorm5 at vip.hr Thu Jan 11 09:41:32 2007 From: igorm5 at vip.hr (Igor Jagec) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A6064C.7090803@vip.hr> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". I can totally agree to that. Make it simple, make it just Fedora. That's the best way of avoiding the holy war between Linux and GNU/Linux. We all know that Linux kernel is just a part of a Linux distribution, and we also know that a Linux distribution has lots of non GNU components. -- Igor Jagec From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 16:23:40 2007 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:23:40 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Leo sent out 0.7K bytes to say: > * Jeremy Hogan (2007-01-10 20:27 -0500) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > GNU/Linux isn't as Googlicious as Fedora Linux would be. Plus given > > the number of non-gpl and non-gnu components > > I'd say that's a small number that is not compliant with GPL. > > That's exactly why we should name the system GNU. I hate this damn debate. In any case, naming a thing GNU/* is not because of GPL packages. It is because of GNU programs. Linux is GPL, linux is NOT GNU. Some GNU apps include gnu make gcc gnu bin utils GNU Network Object Model Environment (GNOME for the rest of us) etc, etc. KDE is GPL, but not GNU software. Most of fedora is not GNU software. Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/Python/Php A popular linux set up. Not one of LAMP is GNU software. I once attended a talk by someone on this. He pointed out, why stop at just GNU? WE use Apache Software. Fedora GNU/Apache/Linux not to mention Qt software Fedora GNU/Apache/Trolltech/Linux and stuff we borrowed from BSD Fedora GNU/Apache./Trolltech/BSD/Linux etc... etc... etc.. -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 16:43:45 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> Message-ID: * Tejas Dinkar (2007-01-11 08:23 -0800) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > etc... etc... etc.. Are those apps you mentioned in "Debian GNU/Linux"? I believe they apply a much stricter license policy than Fedora. The success of Kernel Linux owes to its GPL license. So do a bunch of other free software. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From gpex at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 11 16:44:05 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe pignataro) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:44:05 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Sup port Message-ID: Giuseppe Pignataro http://www.giuseppepignataro.net Fedora Core Ambassador for Italy A KDE italian translator Socio TAU Visual Member of ILS ________________ Messaggio originale ________________ Oggetto: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support Autore: Igor Jagec Data: 11 gennaio 2007 10:41:32 susmit shannigrahi wrote: > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". I can totally agree to that. Make it simple, make it just Fedora. That's the best way of avoiding the holy war between Linux and GNU/Linux. We all know that Linux kernel is just a part of a Linux distribution, and we also know that a Linux distribution has lots of non GNU components. -- Igor Jagec -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list +1 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 11 16:43:33 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:13:33 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> Message-ID: <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > * Tejas Dinkar (2007-01-11 08:23 -0800) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> etc... etc... etc.. > > Are those apps you mentioned in "Debian GNU/Linux"? I believe they > apply a much stricter license policy than Fedora. > What's the basis of that belief? Fedora does not have a non-free repository even. Rahul From siddharth at techbugs.org Thu Jan 11 16:55:39 2007 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:55:39 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: +1 to just 'Fedora' as far as googlish or newbie understandable naming stands, i dont think we need to look into it to that extent that we decide what the name of Fedora to be changed to... Fedora is the most popular distro these days and people will get educated about it GNU and Linux is hot these days... we must make a mark on the road too but not being in boundries of the big but by creating a brand itself. Siddharth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:03:34 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:03:34 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: * Rahul Sundaram (2007-01-11 22:13 +0530) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Leo wrote: >> * Tejas Dinkar (2007-01-11 08:23 -0800) said: >>> etc... etc... etc.. >> >> Are those apps you mentioned in "Debian GNU/Linux"? I believe they >> apply a much stricter license policy than Fedora. >> > > What's the basis of that belief? Fedora does not have a non-free > repository even. > > Rahul AFAIK, they enforce GNU Free Documentation License. Some applications' manual were taken out and put in its non-free tree. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 11 17:04:59 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:34:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45A66E3B.7050701@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > > AFAIK, they enforce GNU Free Documentation License. Some applications' > manual were taken out and put in its non-free tree. You are probably talking about GNU FDL documents with invariant sections. They do have various other documents licensed differently in their package archive. The presence of non-free repository makes Fedora's position much more on stronger on Free software licenses IMO. I consider the licenses of functional software more important that documentation, artwork and content. There are different rules that apply. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis/FSF Rahul From wy_2_k at yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 16:49:53 2007 From: wy_2_k at yahoo.com (Ama M) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:49:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support Message-ID: <20070111164953.41556.qmail@web60021.mail.yahoo.com> Questions: - Who takes the final decision on the name and When?? - Are there going to be voting? or put in another way, how will our input on this list influence the decision?? - Have the NAMES for the been narrowed down to "Fedora" and "Fedora Linux" ?? i dont have any problem with either Fedora or Fedora Linux Have nu year to all Regards Amaechi Mgbeoji Fedora Ambassador, Nigeria ----- Original Message ---- From: Leo To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:44:20 AM Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support * Stephen Krenzel (2007-01-11 02:54 -0500) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I have to agree with Susmit. "Fedora" is clean and appealing. "Fedora > Linux" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, I am saying if we were to name it Fedora Linux, we should use GNU/Linux as GNU is actually the core of the system. > and I personally feel that there is no need at all to have GNU > anywhere in the name. A lot of people deserve credit for what makes > Fedora run, no need to single out any one entity. It's not about credit anyone. It is about protecting our freedom of using software. > "Linux" has taken on an entirely different meaning than just "the > kernel" these days. But it is just the kernel. How people understand it is another matter. > Used in different contexts, people think of linux as either just the > kernel or as all of the components that generally run on top of it > as well to make the operating system "complete". Regardless, my > recommendation would be to just make the name "Fedora". 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See > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis/FSF I am very glad to hear this. I think I got the wrong impression. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From paulds at bu.edu Thu Jan 11 18:10:07 2007 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:10:07 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: <20070111164953.41556.qmail@web60021.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20070111164953.41556.qmail@web60021.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070111181006.GJ9813@prozac.horde.com> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 08:49:53AM -0800, Ama M wrote: > - Who takes the final decision on the name and When?? The Fedora Board will need to make the decision eventually. > - Are there going to be voting? or put in another way, how will our input on this list influence the decision?? Opening issues like this up for a public vote is a Bad Idea for numerous reasons, most of which should be obvious. I am sure the board members will consider all the ideas, suggestions, and arguments made on this list when coming to a consensus on this matter. > - Have the NAMES for the been narrowed down to "Fedora" and "Fedora Linux" ?? i dont have any problem with either Fedora or Fedora Linux I don't think any formal progress on this issue has been made at this point. - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Jan 11 18:13:21 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:13:21 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> Message-ID: <20070111181321.GA18189@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 04:43:45PM +0000, Leo wrote: > * Tejas Dinkar (2007-01-11 08:23 -0800) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > etc... etc... etc.. > Are those apps you mentioned in "Debian GNU/Linux"? I believe they > apply a much stricter license policy than Fedora. Are you seriously asking if Debian includes the Linux kernel, the Apache web server, MySQL, or any of Perl, PHP, or Python? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From jeremy.hogan at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:45:58 2007 From: jeremy.hogan at gmail.com (Jeremy Hogan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556f970a0701111045r7a4e03a7o714ab3cc6a15b9c4@mail.gmail.com> On 1/11/07, Leo wrote: > > * Jeremy Hogan (2007-01-10 20:27 -0500) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > GNU/Linux isn't as Googlicious as Fedora Linux would be. Plus given > > the number of non-gpl and non-gnu components > > I'd say that's a small number that is not compliant with GPL. > > That's exactly why we should name the system GNU. "Compliant with" is not the same as "exclusively licensed as". GNU/Linux pays homage to egos, but does nothing to foster adoption of Fedora. There are some very important apps that have nothing to do with the GPL, other than being compliant. We wouldn't call it GNU/MPL/Apache/Linux, so we shouldn't call it GNU/Linux just to pacify a group of people that are smart enough to know that it's a license. I do understand that the FSF doesn't think it's fair to name the whole OS after the kernel, but dropping "Linux" from the title makes as much sense as adding GNU if you're going to head down that road. The problem we have to live with, is that the majority of the world calls the entire OS "Linux", for better or worse. It's probably fair to call the kernel GNU/Linux, but calling the whole OS GNU/Linux makes even less sense than naming the whole thing after the kernel. Fedora is what it is because of the package of decisions that go into what is part of the OS makes it so, not just b/c it's GNU/GPL compliant. One might further argue that Linux has "paid" GNU back with exposure and adoption it may well have never gotten. We also have to face facts that the GNU/Linux v. Linux debate is rhetoric to most people. And the reputation of those who most publicly back it is that of being zealots. The debate and associated zealotry is a turn off. Just like "free software" v. "open source". Do we want to pacify existing geeks? Who are no more or less likely to use Fedora GNU/Linux b/c of a name change (that does nothing to add to the core philosphy, which is what matters). Or attract users? 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Apart from using that name, > marketing bla can add all kinds of subtitles. ;) Such as "Fedora: a > (GNU/)Linux operating system", "Fedora, your open source computing > environment", whatever. > > Some arguments: > > a) The "linux" in Fedora is not that different from the "Linux" in other > distros; the difference Fedora makes is in other things. > > b) People using Fedora will "see" Fedora: its logos, its choice of > software, its installer, its package manager, its artwork. They will not > see Linux. > > c) Other successful Linux OSes are often used, and their official names > are, without the word "Linux" attached to it, although people know it's > "Linux inside". Take Ubuntu, Slackware, Gentoo. Except for "Suse Linux" > which is more often used together (but Opensuse is not "Opensuse Linux" > either). > > d) By avoiding either "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux", > quasi-religious Stallman vs. Torvalds type wars will be avoided, which > is a good thing. Waste of time. > > e) "Fedora Linux" would imply that in Fedora it is not possible to > permit the theoretical use of another type of kernel. Solaris, BSD, it's > all free software. Who knows what the future will bring? Linux will be > around for a long time, but it's a strange world. > > f) "Fedora" already *is* the name most people give to Fedora. Language > works like that, you can't superimpose names on names that are already > used widely. Three syllables is a perfect amount of syllables. :) > > g) "Linux" is a trademark that is not owned by Fedora. This will not > create a problem likely, since Linus Torvalds doesn't put much energy in > protecting his trademark, but you never can tell. It's better to just be > completely *independent*. > > h) Especially in Japan and Korea, "Fedora Linux" is a bit nasty to > pronounce (Pedorarinuksu - two r's, unpoetic ;) ). And that's a huge > market for computers and sotware. > > For what it's worth. > > regards, > Herman > > > Op do, 11-01-2007 te 12:41 +0530, schreef susmit shannigrahi: > > Does not "Fedora Linux" sound a bit odd? > > No offence please :) > > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". > > > > -- > > ssh > > 0x86DD170A > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apart from using that name, > > marketing bla can add all kinds of subtitles. ;) Such as "Fedora: a > > (GNU/)Linux operating system", "Fedora, your open source computing > > environment", whatever. > > > > Some arguments: > > > > a) The "linux" in Fedora is not that different from the "Linux" in other > > distros; the difference Fedora makes is in other things. > > > > b) People using Fedora will "see" Fedora: its logos, its choice of > > software, its installer, its package manager, its artwork. They will not > > see Linux. > > > > c) Other successful Linux OSes are often used, and their official names > > are, without the word "Linux" attached to it, although people know it's > > "Linux inside". Take Ubuntu, Slackware, Gentoo. Except for "Suse Linux" > > which is more often used together (but Opensuse is not "Opensuse Linux" > > either). > > > > d) By avoiding either "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux", > > quasi-religious Stallman vs. Torvalds type wars will be avoided, which > > is a good thing. Waste of time. > > > > e) "Fedora Linux" would imply that in Fedora it is not possible to > > permit the theoretical use of another type of kernel. Solaris, BSD, it's > > all free software. Who knows what the future will bring? Linux will be > > around for a long time, but it's a strange world. > > > > f) "Fedora" already *is* the name most people give to Fedora. Language > > works like that, you can't superimpose names on names that are already > > used widely. Three syllables is a perfect amount of syllables. :) > > > > g) "Linux" is a trademark that is not owned by Fedora. This will not > > create a problem likely, since Linus Torvalds doesn't put much energy in > > protecting his trademark, but you never can tell. It's better to just be > > completely *independent*. > > > > h) Especially in Japan and Korea, "Fedora Linux" is a bit nasty to > > pronounce (Pedorarinuksu - two r's, unpoetic ;) ). And that's a huge > > market for computers and sotware. > > > > For what it's worth. > > > > regards, > > Herman > > > > > > Op do, 11-01-2007 te 12:41 +0530, schreef susmit shannigrahi: > > > Does not "Fedora Linux" sound a bit odd? > > > No offence please :) > > > But I think "Fedora" is a better choice > > > than "Fedora Linux" or "Fedora GNU/Linux". > > > > > > -- > > > ssh > > > 0x86DD170A > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Jan 11 20:05:02 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support References: <20070111164953.41556.qmail@web60021.mail.yahoo.com> <20070111181006.GJ9813@prozac.horde.com> Message-ID: Paul Stauffer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 08:49:53AM -0800, Ama M wrote: >> - Who takes the final decision on the name and When?? > The Fedora Board will need to make the decision eventually. afaic, the decision to use "Fedora" has pretty much been settled, though it's not yet been etched in stone. -- Rex From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 11:33:58 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:33:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Red Hat's Fedora to Get Longer Support In-Reply-To: References: <45A4FD44.6010907@fedoraproject.org> <1168454585.13754.44.camel@einstein> <556f970a0701101727m76849c9fi8285afab181a1ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20070111162340.GB14401@gja.in> <45A66935.2020704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168601639.4057.65.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> You hit it right there. (Few points though, I wouldn't dare say that Fedora is the most popular distribution; it could be but there's no way of telling. And whereas "Linux" is hot, "GNU" (as such) is not. I figure there are only few people that wouldn't greatly respect RMS, but His GNUness would be given special credits anyway, with or without "Fedora GNU Slash Linux" (yeah, don't forget the "slash" :) ). In compensation, we should not mention Linus/x either - the guy even admits to hating GN...ome. ;) ) Naming is a very messy business. Attempts to name something with the idea in mind to express its "core identity", its background, or its essence, are bound to fail. Say I want to name our child "Becky" (fictitious as all of my examples), but my wife hates this girl she was once bullied by (fiction again), named also Becky. Is that a good choice then? I might have thousands of great arguments why "Becky" has a wonderful meaning, background, etc. But no, it's a bad choice because it will have the very wrong references. I don't really *associate* the word Linux with "Fedora" immediately, or the other way around. I associate it with Yum, SELinux, the Fedora logo, Gnome, Red Hat, the user forums, even the Sony PlayStation 3, the fact that it was the first distro that works just how I want it to; all sorts of things - and of course, with "Linux" too - one of the many references. A name "Fedora Linux", however, would narrow down possible associations people could have with such a name. For a lot of people, "Linux" is still something that *refers* to the technical, geeky, anti-Windows trolls, something just for servers, for businesses, you know the drill ~ unfair of course. So the question is, what do we want the Fedora name to refer to, to be associated with? Perhaps with "a great, no-stress, no hassle open source software experience", with "programs that invite you to join, share, adapt, learn, and use, in stead of try to make you hate them"? Just "Fedora" would give people using or hearing it *much more freedom in associating* that name with whatever they feel about it ~ exactly because it doesn't really mean anything, when it comes to computing. "Linux" refers to too many specific things and that's why it's not an ideal (part of a) name for a distribution. Then again, you might know these lines, "That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet." ;) I see I spent a lot of words on this issue. Well, that would be enough, after all, who am I. best of regards, herman Op vr, 12-01-2007 te 00:55 +0800, schreef Siddharth Upmanyu: > > +1 to just 'Fedora' > as far as googlish or newbie understandable naming stands, i dont > think we need to look into it to that extent that we decide what the > name of Fedora to be changed to... > Fedora is the most popular distro these days and people will get > educated about it > > GNU and Linux is hot these days... we must make a mark on the road too > but not being in boundries of the big but by creating a brand itself. > > Siddharth > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 12 17:16:54 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:46:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora releases a live CD Message-ID: <45A7C286.90009@fedoraproject.org> Hi .. And surprisingly, the live CD tools will also help package maintainers. As per the live CD roadmap, there are plans to pump out daily live CD builds of the Fedora development tree, called rawhide. If there are dependency problems with packages in rawhide, the live CD won't get built, making the problem immediately obvious. Zeuthen thinks that this will encourage maintainers of broken packages to fix problems quickly. http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/11/1841241 A informative article. Rahul From karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 14 13:20:32 2007 From: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Hello from Mark McLaughlin In-Reply-To: <38C2E72D-6F5F-4FD3-8C72-6AE5E254A074@verizon.net> References: <38C2E72D-6F5F-4FD3-8C72-6AE5E254A074@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Markus McLaughlin To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:17:25 -0500 Subject: Hello from Mark McLaughlin > Hi Karlie, > > We spoke before a few months ago, I am an aspiring Screenwriter and > a Fedora User. I would like to help with a PDF Manual for Fedora 7, > introducing Fedora, putting in "dummies" like examples, and > concluding it. I want Fedora 7 to have it's own manual and a WIKI > version that is instantly updated when features get updated. It is > important for both inexperienced and experienced users to have a > starting point and learn how the linux OS works, how it is similar > to Windows and MAC but not too similar. Let me know if I can help > with the Fedora Project in any creative manner... :) > > Sincerely, > Mark McLaughlin > marknetproductionsentrance.blogspot.com ------- End of Original Message ------- Hello, Mark. That sounds like a great Idea. I'm going to forward your email to the Fedora Marketing list and would encourage you to join it if you haven't already. Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list The reason... I'm mostly a Fedora-on-disk kind of gal and by getting you hooked up with the marketing list and the other Fedora Ambassadors we'll be sure to get you in touch with the people who can help you with your project the most. But Please feel free to email me directly if you have questions. If I can't answer them myself, I'll help you find someone who can. ~Karlie Robinson -- Ask for Linux (http://sweetcomputing.com/index.php?wiki=AskForLinux) From aks.abhishek at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 02:29:07 2007 From: aks.abhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Singh) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:14:07 +0545 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Hello from Mark McLaughlin In-Reply-To: <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> References: <38C2E72D-6F5F-4FD3-8C72-6AE5E254A074@verizon.net> <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <73396bd30701141829w1cabfaa9od3d14787133ac28f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mr. Mark, Yeah that seems to be a nice idea to have a well updated wiki manual. Regarding the format(s) to release the manual, we still need to decide because of the licensing issued related with the file formats. Moreover, I'd like to thank you for your keen interest in documenting the next release of Fedora Core. Let's see what the other ambassador think and resond. On 1/14/07, Karlie Robinson wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Markus McLaughlin > To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org > Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:17:25 -0500 > Subject: Hello from Mark McLaughlin > > > Hi Karlie, > > > > We spoke before a few months ago, I am an aspiring Screenwriter and > > a Fedora User. I would like to help with a PDF Manual for Fedora 7, > > introducing Fedora, putting in "dummies" like examples, and > > concluding it. I want Fedora 7 to have it's own manual and a WIKI > > version that is instantly updated when features get updated. It is > > important for both inexperienced and experienced users to have a > > starting point and learn how the linux OS works, how it is similar > > to Windows and MAC but not too similar. Let me know if I can help > > with the Fedora Project in any creative manner... :) > > > > Sincerely, > > Mark McLaughlin > > marknetproductionsentrance.blogspot.com > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > Hello, Mark. > > That sounds like a great Idea. > > I'm going to forward your email to the Fedora Marketing list and would > encourage you to join it if you haven't already. > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > The reason... > > I'm mostly a Fedora-on-disk kind of gal and by getting you hooked up with > the > marketing list and the other Fedora Ambassadors we'll be sure to get you > in > touch with the people who can help you with your project the most. > > But Please feel free to email me directly if you have questions. If I > can't > answer them myself, I'll help you find someone who can. > > ~Karlie Robinson > -- > Ask for Linux (http://sweetcomputing.com/index.php?wiki=AskForLinux) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- _______________________________________ Abhishek Singh Fedora Core 6 has released!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 15 15:47:03 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:17:03 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Editor's Note: Linux Bling With 100% Free Software Message-ID: <45ABA1F7.3050402@fedoraproject.org> Hi Not sure much about Fedora but Free software in general and good to see more of these articles recognize the nature of Fedora. It is likely to be more of a differentiation point over time. http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2007011201935OPSW "Both Fedora and Debian have always had a policy of including only Free/Open source software. Users who want non-FOSS packages can easily get them from alternative repositories; they're just a click away. This permits users to easily control what goes on their systems. Rahul From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 16:00:24 2007 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:00:24 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Hello from Mark McLaughlin In-Reply-To: <73396bd30701141829w1cabfaa9od3d14787133ac28f@mail.gmail.com> References: <38C2E72D-6F5F-4FD3-8C72-6AE5E254A074@verizon.net> <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> <73396bd30701141829w1cabfaa9od3d14787133ac28f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270701150800y70367d2ak83566edf3770921f@mail.gmail.com> Abishek, Since Mark is not subscribed to the list, responding on the list only does not really help much in reaching him :) Cheers, a On 1/14/07, Abhishek Singh wrote: > Dear Mr. Mark, > Yeah that seems to be a nice idea to have a well updated wiki manual. > Regarding the format(s) to release the manual, we still need to decide > because of the licensing issued related with the file formats. > Moreover, I'd like to thank you for your keen interest in > documenting the next release of Fedora Core. Let's see what the other > ambassador think and resond. > > > > On 1/14/07, Karlie Robinson > wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: Markus McLaughlin > > To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org > > Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:17:25 -0500 > > Subject: Hello from Mark McLaughlin > > > > > Hi Karlie, > > > > > > We spoke before a few months ago, I am an aspiring Screenwriter and > > > a Fedora User. I would like to help with a PDF Manual for Fedora 7, > > > introducing Fedora, putting in "dummies" like examples, and > > > concluding it. I want Fedora 7 to have it's own manual and a WIKI > > > version that is instantly updated when features get updated. It is > > > important for both inexperienced and experienced users to have a > > > starting point and learn how the linux OS works, how it is similar > > > to Windows and MAC but not too similar. Let me know if I can help > > > with the Fedora Project in any creative manner... :) > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Mark McLaughlin > > > marknetproductionsentrance.blogspot.com > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > Hello, Mark. > > > > That sounds like a great Idea. > > > > I'm going to forward your email to the Fedora Marketing list and would > > encourage you to join it if you haven't already. > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > The reason... > > > > I'm mostly a Fedora-on-disk kind of gal and by getting you hooked up with > the > > marketing list and the other Fedora Ambassadors we'll be sure to get you > in > > touch with the people who can help you with your project the most. > > > > But Please feel free to email me directly if you have questions. If I > can't > > answer them myself, I'll help you find someone who can. > > > > ~Karlie Robinson > > -- > > Ask for Linux ( > http://sweetcomputing.com/index.php?wiki=AskForLinux) > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > > Abhishek Singh > > Fedora Core 6 has released!! > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography http://amaier.net From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 01:53:40 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Hello from Mark McLaughlin In-Reply-To: <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> References: <38C2E72D-6F5F-4FD3-8C72-6AE5E254A074@verizon.net> <20070114131446.M76777@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1168912420.2181.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 08:20 -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Markus McLaughlin > To: karlie.robinson at fedoraproject.org > Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:17:25 -0500 > Subject: Hello from Mark McLaughlin > > > Hi Karlie, > > > > We spoke before a few months ago, I am an aspiring Screenwriter and > > a Fedora User. I would like to help with a PDF Manual for Fedora 7, > > introducing Fedora, putting in "dummies" like examples, and > > concluding it. I want Fedora 7 to have it's own manual and a WIKI > > version that is instantly updated when features get updated. It is > > important for both inexperienced and experienced users to have a > > starting point and learn how the linux OS works, how it is similar > > to Windows and MAC but not too similar. Let me know if I can help > > with the Fedora Project in any creative manner... :) > > > > Sincerely, > > Mark McLaughlin > > marknetproductionsentrance.blogspot.com > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > Hello, Mark. > > That sounds like a great Idea. > > I'm going to forward your email to the Fedora Marketing list and would > encourage you to join it if you haven't already. > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > The reason... > > I'm mostly a Fedora-on-disk kind of gal and by getting you hooked up with the > marketing list and the other Fedora Ambassadors we'll be sure to get you in > touch with the people who can help you with your project the most. > > But Please feel free to email me directly if you have questions. If I can't > answer them myself, I'll help you find someone who can. This is exactly the kind of work that we handle in the Fedora Documentation Project. Markus, please feel free to join us there: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, unlike Yarrow, Tettnang, Heidelberg, Stentz, Bordeaux, and Zod, Fedora 7 is shaping up to be the most ambitious release yet. With all the work and reform going into Fedora 7 it poses the question, will Fedora 7 be Linux's knight in shining armor http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=627&num=1 Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 03:59:16 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:29:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Disk encryption in Fedora: Past, present and future Message-ID: Here goes an useful article..from REDHAT magazine. "Disk encryption in Fedora: Past, present and future" http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/01/18/disk-encryption-in-fedora-past-present-and-future/ -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 23 15:35:39 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:35:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digg and Fedora marketing Message-ID: I've always struggled a bit with the question, "how can Fedora marketing list be effective? What can we do to amplify the Fedora messages of freedom and innovation?" It's a tough thing sometimes, even figuring out what the precise Fedora message is. We've got some talking points, and they're valid enough, but amplifying that message can be tough as well. So I've been thinking about really organizing to support the stories that *we* think are important -- specifically, getting organized on Digg. I'd like to hear your thoughts. * * * The proposal: Use Fedora-marketing-list to communicate about Digg-able stories. How? * f-m-l members could create Digg accounts, if they don't have them already. * f-m-l members could look for breaking stories already on Digg (http://digg.com/linux_unix/upcoming) or, if they find a good story, they could submit it themselves (http://digg.com/submit). * f-m-l members could then post the URL of the story to f-m-l. Something in the title, maybe, like "DIGG: Fedora 7 Test 1 Released." (Making sure not to dupe stories and split our efforts.) * When a Digg hits f-m-l, members should go check the story out. If it seems like a good Fedora story, digg it. * Be ready to join the discussions around these Dugg stories. * * * Pretty simple, really, and shouldn't take much of people's time. If we get enough people regularly Digging the best stories about Fedora, I think we'll do a lot to improve our visibility. Anxious to hear what folks think. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From david at gnsa.us Tue Jan 23 16:02:14 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:02:14 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digg and Fedora marketing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B63186.1050103@gnsa.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I've always struggled a bit with the question, "how can Fedora marketing > list be effective? What can we do to amplify the Fedora messages of > freedom and innovation?" > > It's a tough thing sometimes, even figuring out what the precise Fedora > message is. We've got some talking points, and they're valid enough, > but amplifying that message can be tough as well. > > So I've been thinking about really organizing to support the stories > that *we* think are important -- specifically, getting organized on > Digg. I'd like to hear your thoughts. > > * * * > > The proposal: Use Fedora-marketing-list to communicate about Digg-able > stories. How? > > * f-m-l members could create Digg accounts, if they don't have them > already. > > * f-m-l members could look for breaking stories already on Digg > (http://digg.com/linux_unix/upcoming) or, if they find a good story, > they could submit it themselves (http://digg.com/submit). > > * f-m-l members could then post the URL of the story to f-m-l. > Something in the title, maybe, like "DIGG: Fedora 7 Test 1 Released." > (Making sure not to dupe stories and split our efforts.) > > * When a Digg hits f-m-l, members should go check the story out. If it > seems like a good Fedora story, digg it. > > * Be ready to join the discussions around these Dugg stories. > > * * * > > Pretty simple, really, and shouldn't take much of people's time. If we > get enough people regularly Digging the best stories about Fedora, I > think we'll do a lot to improve our visibility. > > Anxious to hear what folks think. > > --g > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > I think that is a fabulous idea. Now mind you, we'd only be able to 'seed' Digg, as I doubt that there are enough of us to propel an article to the front page, but getting enough 'diggs' to seed interest, and making sure the articles are high enough quality to appeal should certainly increase it. As much as I hate to admit it, we don't do a good job of showing how many exciting things are being done in and with Fedora. Other distributions, whether intentionally or not, seem to get more 'press' on sites like Digg, and it at least lends the impression of greater activity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFtjGGkZOYj+cNI1cRAg0HAKCNwCM+xWa7L67yi8E8lQqnfmlNRACfVS3U y3SfG85G5b6uaDZFKhpDv/Y= =+W2A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicola.losito at ba.itb.cnr.it Tue Jan 23 16:09:28 2007 From: nicola.losito at ba.itb.cnr.it (Losito Nicola) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:09:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Digg and Fedora marketing In-Reply-To: <45B63186.1050103@gnsa.us> References: <45B63186.1050103@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <1169568568.22189.8.camel@koko.ba.itb.cnr.it> Il giorno mar, 23/01/2007 alle 11.02 -0500, David Nalley ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > > > I've always struggled a bit with the question, "how can Fedora marketing > > list be effective? What can we do to amplify the Fedora messages of > > freedom and innovation?" Please consider also the use of Stumble Upon [1], wise use of del.icio.us tagging [2], and also shameless "promotion" of any community initiative in a spirit like this: http://koolinus.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/do-you-blog-about-your-distro/ ciao ! [1] - http://www.stumbleupon.com/ [2] - http://del.icio.us/tag/fedora -- Nicola Losito kOoLiNuS blog: http://koolinus.wordpress.com messaging AIM/G-Talk/Yahoo: koolinus From prarit at redhat.com Tue Jan 23 16:14:56 2007 From: prarit at redhat.com (Prarit Bhargava) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digg and Fedora marketing In-Reply-To: <45B63186.1050103@gnsa.us> References: <45B63186.1050103@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <45B63480.20308@redhat.com> David Nalley wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > >> I've always struggled a bit with the question, "how can Fedora marketing >> list be effective? What can we do to amplify the Fedora messages of >> freedom and innovation?" >> >> It's a tough thing sometimes, even figuring out what the precise Fedora >> message is. We've got some talking points, and they're valid enough, >> but amplifying that message can be tough as well. >> >> So I've been thinking about really organizing to support the stories >> that *we* think are important -- specifically, getting organized on >> Digg. I'd like to hear your thoughts. >> >> * * * >> >> The proposal: Use Fedora-marketing-list to communicate about Digg-able >> stories. How? >> >> * f-m-l members could create Digg accounts, if they don't have them >> already. >> >> * f-m-l members could look for breaking stories already on Digg >> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/upcoming) or, if they find a good story, >> they could submit it themselves (http://digg.com/submit). >> >> * f-m-l members could then post the URL of the story to f-m-l. >> Something in the title, maybe, like "DIGG: Fedora 7 Test 1 Released." >> (Making sure not to dupe stories and split our efforts.) >> >> * When a Digg hits f-m-l, members should go check the story out. If it >> seems like a good Fedora story, digg it. >> >> * Be ready to join the discussions around these Dugg stories. >> >> I like the idea but we should be careful about doing this. I've been a lurker on digg for quite a while, and the one thing that diggers hate (maybe even more than spam!) is when there is a concerted effort to digg stories up by a group of people who are "promoting" something. This could turn into a very bad idea... Just a warning, P. From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 16:38:52 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (hymno3) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:38:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Digg and Fedora marketing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1169570333.2638.18.camel@dhcppc1.lokaal> It reminds me a little of astroturfing. You'd have to be very careful with things like that. herman Op di, 23-01-2007 te 10:35 -0500, schreef Greg Dekoenigsberg: > I've always struggled a bit with the question, "how can Fedora marketing > list be effective? What can we do to amplify the Fedora messages of > freedom and innovation?" (...) > The proposal: Use Fedora-marketing-list to communicate about Digg-able > stories. How? (...) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 24 15:13:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:43:38 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Top 10 Girl Geeks Message-ID: <45B777A2.7020102@fedoraproject.org> Hi M?ir?n Duffy from Fedora Artwork team is on this list! http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/top-10-girl-geeks-13100 Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Jan 25 00:46:13 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:46:13 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Top 10 Girl Geeks References: <45B777A2.7020102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <002d01c7401a$372a12a0$0201a8c0@strikeforce> Congrats To Mairin Regards, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Sundaram" To: "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:13 AM Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Top 10 Girl Geeks > Hi > > > M?ir?n Duffy from Fedora Artwork team is on this list! > > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/top-10-girl-geeks-13100 > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From armelk at akserver.dyndns.org Sun Jan 28 16:16:21 2007 From: armelk at akserver.dyndns.org (Kermorvant Armel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:16:21 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] New GDM Theme for FC6 Message-ID: Good Afternoon, I'm very happy to propose two new GDM themes. The booth themes are available on gnome-look.org, please find below the links : http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52313 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52312 I'm waiting your feedback and if you need some info about it, do not hesitate, please contact me. Have a nice day Armel French Ambassador http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArmelKermorvant Email : armel.kermorvant at fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 29 04:51:48 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:21:48 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] New GDM Theme for FC6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BD7D64.9030401@fedoraproject.org> Kermorvant Armel wrote: > Good Afternoon, > > I'm very happy to propose two new GDM themes. > > The booth themes are available on gnome-look.org, > please find below the links : > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52313 > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52312 > > I'm waiting your feedback and if you need some > info about it, do not hesitate, please contact me. > > Have a nice day > If you are proposing this for Fedora 7, do note that the theme is refreshed every release based on new concepts. You can find the discussions in fedora-art list. Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 30 04:45:58 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:45:58 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Free Media Program - December 2006 Message-ID: <369bce3b0701292045o70a4f746u8c15c1cdcdabd667@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Karlie Robinson and other contributors, we have successfully fulfilled 100% of free media requests for the month of December 2006. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/December As a reminder, we still have many un-fulfilled requests in month of January 2007. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC6DVD/January Please accept at least one or more requests to accomplish another successful month. If you have any question or would like to join Fedora Free Media Program, feel free to contact me or your local Ambassadors for a coordination. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 18:22:18 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:52:18 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] "Fedora's metrics have ripple effect"...Linux.com Message-ID: ""Fedora announced this month that by using a tracking tool to monitor unique IP addresses, it was able to determine that Fedora Core 6 now has more than one million users. What does all this metric gathering mean for future Fedora releases? Moreover, what does it mean for the Linux community at large? The answer on both counts: plenty."" Have a look... -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 30 18:44:10 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:44:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] "Fedora's metrics have ripple effect"...Linux.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you like it, digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_s_metrics_have_ripple_effect On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > ""Fedora announced this month that by using a tracking tool to monitor > unique IP addresses, it was able to determine that Fedora Core 6 now > has more than one million users. What does all this metric gathering > mean for future Fedora releases? Moreover, what does it mean for the > Linux community at large? The answer on both counts: plenty."" > > > Have a look... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From romal at gmx.de Tue Jan 30 23:49:26 2007 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:49:26 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] "Fedora's metrics have ripple effect"...Linux.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BFD986.9090605@gmx.de> Hi, just q quick idea to get more accurate numbers and perhaps an idea of which people use it. Some kind of voting-system: - user-counter - user-skill (newbie, power-user, admin) - some important applications or usage-scenarios (desktop, mobile desktop, app-server, ...) - personal or business - how many installations - single OS or dual-boot with another operating system - linux-upgrade or switcher from another os - hardware-profile from hal or something like that perhaps even integrated into anaconda (Would you like to help the fedora-project and answer five questions / supply your hw-profile ?) or a link in the first page of the release-notes ? cu romal Greg Dekoenigsberg schrieb: > > If you like it, digg it: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_s_metrics_have_ripple_effect > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > >> ""Fedora announced this month that by using a tracking tool to monitor >> unique IP addresses, it was able to determine that Fedora Core 6 now >> has more than one million users. What does all this metric gathering >> mean for future Fedora releases? Moreover, what does it mean for the >> Linux community at large? The answer on both counts: plenty."" >> >> >> Have a look... >> >> > From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 04:41:53 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:11:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] "Fedora's metrics have ripple effect"...Linux.com In-Reply-To: <45BFD986.9090605@gmx.de> References: <45BFD986.9090605@gmx.de> Message-ID: Oops..forgot to provide the link..here it is... http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/15/2137215&tid=107&tid=12 -- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 31 20:38:07 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:38:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-marketing-list] olpc on Swiss TV Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0701311238r7b93f57dwf25ce5b03a937e8e@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Here is a small part of a Swiss TV News, in which olpc was among the headlines :) http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/olpc.avi It's in german/swiss german I'm sorry :) and It's a pity that they didn't mentioned the word "linux" ! and oh yes, it was passed on TV last saturday. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com