From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 1 00:57:54 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:57:54 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177981074.4134.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 07:49 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Looking at Ubuntu 7.04 tour I'd say these look like the major > additions to Ubuntu: > > *Windows migration tool I don't think it will be long before you see this in Fedora; the fuse-libs, ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs are present on the Live CD I tried, and I'd bet they're on the general-purpose DVD spin as well. This is a pet issue I briefly stumped for -- it would be great to be able to include modules in firstboot to offer users the ability to migrate content (email, bookmarks, etc.) from an existing Windows partition into appropriate Fedora apps. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 1 01:03:30 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 06:33:30 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <1177981074.4134.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> <1177981074.4134.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <463691E2.5060301@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 07:49 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Looking at Ubuntu 7.04 tour I'd say these look like the major >> additions to Ubuntu: >> >> *Windows migration tool > > I don't think it will be long before you see this in Fedora; the > fuse-libs, ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs are present on the Live CD I tried, and > I'd bet they're on the general-purpose DVD spin as well. This is a pet > issue I briefly stumped for -- it would be great to be able to include > modules in firstboot to offer users the ability to migrate content > (email, bookmarks, etc.) from an existing Windows partition into > appropriate Fedora apps. I did look at this btw. The tool in Ubuntu is based on the debian packaging system and cannot be easily ported to Fedora. We probably need to write something from scratch which is a pity. Rahul From wilmer at fedoraproject.org Tue May 1 01:26:29 2007 From: wilmer at fedoraproject.org (Wilmer Jaramillo M.) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:26:29 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Has fedora lost its charm ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <463691E2.5060301@fedoraproject.org> References: <5bddd8fd0704290107n782e027bn6a6b32d5d57481d7@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0704291243h70624c7dx1ef01d809bbbb6b3@mail.gmail.com> <46358D51.7050600@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0704292349j166b6c12o566b93ccf3c5ae16@mail.gmail.com> <1177981074.4134.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <463691E2.5060301@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2b26c4260704301826y3e456695g90e5c945057b510e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/30/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 07:49 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Looking at Ubuntu 7.04 tour I'd say these look like the major > >> additions to Ubuntu: > >> > >> *Windows migration tool > > > > I don't think it will be long before you see this in Fedora; the > > fuse-libs, ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs are present on the Live CD I tried, and > > I'd bet they're on the general-purpose DVD spin as well. This is a pet > > issue I briefly stumped for -- it would be great to be able to include > > modules in firstboot to offer users the ability to migrate content > > (email, bookmarks, etc.) from an existing Windows partition into > > appropriate Fedora apps. > > I did look at this btw. The tool in Ubuntu is based on the debian > packaging system and cannot be easily ported to Fedora. We probably need > to write something from scratch which is a pity. > I just used Debian, i don't know migration tool of Ubuntu, but there is tools as OpenMoveOver[1] that to should are not free, should somebody to consider/check out it? [1] http://openmoveover.sourceforge.net/ -- Wilmer Jaramillo M. GPG Key Fingerprint = 0666 D0D3 24CE 8935 9C24 BBF1 87DD BEA2 A4B2 1E8A From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 2 14:45:43 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:15:43 +0530 Subject: Fedora: champions of community! Message-ID: <4638A417.4070704@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Fedora 7 Test 4 was launched last week and I?m excited! Right now I?m downloading the ISO to try it out and, although I?m aware that there are plenty of new features for me to explore in the distribution itself, many of the elements that have me most excited are changes relating to their infrastructure: they are setting out to empower the community more than any other distribution has." http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/fedora_champions_of_community Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed May 2 15:30:35 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:30:35 +0100 Subject: Fedora: champions of community! In-Reply-To: <4638A417.4070704@fedoraproject.org> References: <4638A417.4070704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0705020830q2be7149dr553031ba4626398d@mail.gmail.com> Lol, that was me :p I don't write about everything Fedora does despite being a fan of it but I felt that the new features in F7 were really worth the time to write about! A big congratulations to everyone involved in getting this put together :D Jon On 02/05/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > "Fedora 7 Test 4 was launched last week and I'm excited! Right now I'm > downloading the ISO to try it out and, although I'm aware that there are > plenty of new features for me to explore in the distribution itself, > many of the elements that have me most excited are changes relating to > their infrastructure: they are setting out to empower the community more > than any other distribution has." > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/fedora_champions_of_community > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 3 20:07:23 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 01:37:23 +0530 Subject: Fedora merges Core and Extra repositories Message-ID: <463A40FB.7040701@fedoraproject.org> Hi "At noon EDT today Red Hat developers began merging the Fedora Core and Extras repositories. The new merged Fedora repository is one of the major changes for the upcoming Fedora 7 release, and marks the first time a major distribution supported by a company has allowed members of the community to modify packages inside a distribution." http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/07/05/03/1711201.shtml?tid=111 Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu May 3 20:28:38 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:28:38 +0100 Subject: Fedora merges Core and Extra repositories In-Reply-To: <463A40FB.7040701@fedoraproject.org> References: <463A40FB.7040701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0705031328i60251037u1e58be794c6ff313@mail.gmail.com> Awesome :D On 03/05/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "At noon EDT today Red Hat developers began merging the Fedora Core and > Extras repositories. The new merged Fedora repository is one of the > major changes for the upcoming Fedora 7 release, and marks the first > time a major distribution supported by a company has allowed members of > the community to modify packages inside a distribution." > > http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/07/05/03/1711201.shtml?tid=111 > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu May 3 20:44:52 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:44:52 +0300 Subject: Fedora merges Core and Extra repositories In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0705031328i60251037u1e58be794c6ff313@mail.gmail.com> References: <463A40FB.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0705031328i60251037u1e58be794c6ff313@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0705031344y7c314660n308e28e8c236b54b@mail.gmail.com> Great news John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Fri May 4 23:35:46 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 01:35:46 +0200 Subject: Presentation Message-ID: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, My name is Pierre-Yves CHIBON. I have just applied to the ambassadors groups so I write this mail to introduce me a bit further. I am actually student making a master in bioinformatics in Wageningen in Netherlands, but I am French and I leaved in Paris. I start with Fedora one year ago but since I am in Netherlands I have more free time so I am being more involved in the Fedora community. I help to write the French documentation on the fedora-fr.org website. I have also made some rpm that I will submit to extras. Some of you might have seen me at the Fosdem, with Thomas Caniot and Johan Cwiklinski. You can easily contact me on the IRC channel #fedora-fr #fedora-devel-fr #fedora and #fedora-mktg. I hope that I will be able to help the community to grow and this project to go on. Sincerely your, Pierre-Yves CHIBON -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Remi - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGO8NSMywLXnSiMyoRAveFAJ9CJJe4fP1DFVc89+qQPVlolBc8TwCeLeNS t/fcUa5VkMQ3UBuDTYZ1zIg= =MewK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat May 5 06:31:13 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:31:13 +0300 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> References: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0705042331y4e239b85we609a5b060ff9c63@mail.gmail.com> Bienventure, Pierre-Yves! John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project Caution: My knowledge of French is artificially enhanced by Google Translate From nayyares at gmail.com Sat May 5 08:09:38 2007 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:09:38 +0200 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> References: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30705050109j59280292m70e9a2ccc36b1ee8@mail.gmail.com> Welcome ! On 5/5/07, pingou wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > My name is Pierre-Yves CHIBON. > I have just applied to the ambassadors groups so I write this mail to > introduce me a bit further. > > I am actually student making a master in bioinformatics in Wageningen in > Netherlands, but I am French and I leaved in Paris. > I start with Fedora one year ago but since I am in Netherlands I have > more free time so I am being more involved in the Fedora community. > I help to write the French documentation on the fedora-fr.org website. > I have also made some rpm that I will submit to extras. > > Some of you might have seen me at the Fosdem, with Thomas Caniot and > Johan Cwiklinski. > > You can easily contact me on the IRC channel #fedora-fr #fedora-devel-fr > #fedora and #fedora-mktg. > > I hope that I will be able to help the community to grow and this > project to go on. > > Sincerely your, > Pierre-Yves CHIBON > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Remi - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGO8NSMywLXnSiMyoRAveFAJ9CJJe4fP1DFVc89+qQPVlolBc8TwCeLeNS > t/fcUa5VkMQ3UBuDTYZ1zIg= > =MewK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son > interface r?volutionnaire. > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Sat May 5 19:21:03 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 16:21:03 -0300 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30705050109j59280292m70e9a2ccc36b1ee8@mail.gmail.com> References: <463BC352.7030403@yahoo.fr> <8e1ee2a30705050109j59280292m70e9a2ccc36b1ee8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463CD91F.9070504@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Pierre!! Welcome to Fedora Ambassadors Project!! Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Ambassador FAMSCO Nayyar Ahmad escreveu: > Welcome ! > > On 5/5/07, *pingou* > wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Pierre-Yves CHIBON. > I have just applied to the ambassadors groups so I write this mail to > introduce me a bit further. > > I am actually student making a master in bioinformatics in > Wageningen in > Netherlands, but I am French and I leaved in Paris. > I start with Fedora one year ago but since I am in Netherlands I have > more free time so I am being more involved in the Fedora community. > I help to write the French documentation on the fedora-fr.org > website. > I have also made some rpm that I will submit to extras. > > Some of you might have seen me at the Fosdem, with Thomas Caniot and > Johan Cwiklinski. > > You can easily contact me on the IRC channel #fedora-fr #fedora-devel-fr > #fedora and #fedora-mktg. > > I hope that I will be able to help the community to grow and this > project to go on. > > Sincerely your, > Pierre-Yves CHIBON ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com - -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGPNkfPg3HAC1vlg4RAnWfAJwIP93Ly1sJKIfDXHDY96D8wDWTzQCfcQXn Jn1rRKZzwTooYSR56NenQEo= =UIrg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From webpath at fedoraproject.org Mon May 7 11:55:11 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:55:11 +0000 Subject: Follow Up: Re: Thank you for the free media Message-ID: <463F139F.1010400@fedoraproject.org> I Heard Back from Hashim and he's given permission to use his earlier email on the Fedora Project website. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Reply to questions Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 17:04:30 +0200 From: shan han To: karlie_robinson at webpath.net Hello again, Karlie. thank you for your email, hope you are well, I haven't checked my email for a week but i will write all the answer below after your question in capital letters. Karlie Robinson wrote: > Hello, Hashim. > > Thank you for your email. I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded it to the Fedora Marketing email list and as I had hoped, it made a lot of people really happy. YES IT DID. > > In fact, Greg Dekoenigsberg, the Fedora Community Development Manager replied to say "Awesome, Karlie. This note gave a lot of folks inside of Red Hat a boost today." > > You see, we send a lot of discs through Free Media and very few people take the time to send a thank you note - let alone a note as nice as yours. > > Some of the Fedora Ambassadors were wondering if we could print your letter on the Fedora Website? YES YOU CAN PRINT IT IN THERE. {SNIP} This is where Hashim and I talk about getting more FOSS from On-Disk since I was truly inspired by the number of people who go use from that single FC6 Sponsored Media disc we sent. ~Karlie From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 7 21:39:03 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 03:09:03 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch on Fedora repo merge and digg article Message-ID: <463F9C77.7050909@fedoraproject.org> Hi The long-promised merge of Fedora's core and extras repositories is finally under way: "Merge is going well now. A bunch of hiccups early on as we moved our test scripts into acting with real bits and databases and such, but now that that's over..." As for the hiccups, Jesse Keating explains: "We're scrambling to create ppc64 builds of all the extras packages, as those didn't exist before, but now they will be built for ppc64. Also we need to hook up some software to make rawhide appear. It may just be in package repo form (not installable) to begin with, we'll see. I wouldn't expect anything this weekend." For more information about the merge and other Fedora topics, please check out the latest issue of Fedora Weekly News. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070507#news Digg this up folks http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_merging_Core_and_Extras_repositories_today Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon May 7 22:07:07 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:07:07 -0800 Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910705071507k5dacb95cxbfe998ab841ccc72@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > If the community comes up with a mark that *they* own, and that mark is a > good mark that a lot of people like, then I'm 100% for it. I'm sooooo very tempted to dig up my old scapegoat svg and re-submit for mascot consideration. -jef"if i paint myself in shades of the standard fedora colors, and take a picture of myself... can I be the mascot?"spaleta From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue May 8 10:33:26 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:33:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: Distrowatch on Fedora repo merge and digg article In-Reply-To: <463F9C77.7050909@fedoraproject.org> References: <463F9C77.7050909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10215.139.230.245.20.1178620406.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > Hi > > > The long-promised merge of Fedora's core and extras repositories is > finally under way: "Merge is going well now. A bunch of hiccups early on > as we moved our test scripts into acting with real bits and databases > and such, but now that that's over..." As for the hiccups, Jesse Keating > explains: "We're scrambling to create ppc64 builds of all the extras > packages, as those didn't exist before, but now they will be built for > ppc64. Also we need to hook up some software to make rawhide appear. It > may just be in package repo form (not installable) to begin with, we'll > see. I wouldn't expect anything this weekend." For more information > about the merge and other Fedora topics, please check out the latest > issue of Fedora Weekly News. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070507#news > > Digg this up folks > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_merging_Core_and_Extras_repositories_today > Interesting that according to Distrowatch Dell is going to use Ubuntu as their base linux install...... Regards, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue May 8 10:34:21 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:34:21 +0800 (WST) Subject: Mascot - Blue Arrara In-Reply-To: <604aa7910705071507k5dacb95cxbfe998ab841ccc72@mail.gmail.com> References: <4615E899.5080307@nicubunu.ro> <5bddd8fd0704071237m597b14bdrab3e79e996455ac7@mail.gmail.com> <20070409093215.330a9983@localhost.localdomain> <20070409131044.GA7885@jadzia.bu.edu> <461A52F0.30808@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090758w2b329986o80cab74480fa5362@mail.gmail.com> <461A554D.6070509@redhat.com> <7f617d270704090805w5eafc84enb07b6de5914839ad@mail.gmail.com> <461A5838.6050702@redhat.com> <604aa7910705071507k5dacb95cxbfe998ab841ccc72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11023.139.230.245.20.1178620461.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > On 4/12/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> If the community comes up with a mark that *they* own, and that mark is >> a >> good mark that a lot of people like, then I'm 100% for it. > > > I'm sooooo very tempted to dig up my old scapegoat svg and re-submit > for mascot consideration. > > -jef"if i paint myself in shades of the standard fedora colors, and > take a picture of myself... can I be the mascot?"spaleta > Submit the picture of yourself Jef you might get some support. Regards, Marc From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Wed May 9 14:11:45 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:11:45 +0200 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" Message-ID: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> Hi everyone, I translated the recently refreshed section of "Major distributions" on distrowatch.com into Dutch. That text is in fact the opinion of the site's owner, Ladislav Bodnar. It's not "the gospel", but I do suspect many people new to Linux will check that page out and take its content for relatively authoritative. There was one remark on Fedora that I couldn't agree with. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major&language=EN "Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions; its priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop usability" I don't really agree with the 2nd line either, which is not really important to argue about (leads to a lot of nonsense on non-free stuff anyway), but especially since Fedora 7's merger of Core and Extras, the live spin thing, etc., I think that the first line, "Less community-oriented than other major distributions" is simply no longer true - if it ever was. Could "y'all" or some of you come up with good arguments to present to Mr. Bodnar (on this list, I mean), so I can object to this in a convincing manner? Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? thanks, Herman From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed May 9 14:21:58 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:21:58 +0100 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> Message-ID: <3263b11b0705090721h3bef42f2r9f3b13b46a2ce1fe@mail.gmail.com> Hey, saw this in my feed reader this morning, post from Max Spevack about F7 and community is integral to it I think: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-May/msg00002.html Cheers, Jon On 09/05/07, Herman Meester wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I translated the recently refreshed section of "Major distributions" on > distrowatch.com into Dutch. > That text is in fact the opinion of the site's owner, Ladislav Bodnar. > It's not "the gospel", but I do suspect many people new to Linux will > check that page out and take its content for relatively authoritative. > > There was one remark on Fedora that I couldn't agree with. > > http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major&language=EN > > > "Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions; its > priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop > usability" > > I don't really agree with the 2nd line either, which is not really > important to argue about (leads to a lot of nonsense on non-free stuff > anyway), but especially since Fedora 7's merger of Core and Extras, the > live spin thing, etc., I think that the first line, "Less > community-oriented than other major distributions" is simply no longer > true - if it ever was. > > Could "y'all" or some of you come up with good arguments to present to > Mr. Bodnar (on this list, I mean), so I can object to this in a > convincing manner? Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? > > thanks, > > Herman > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed May 9 15:49:08 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:49:08 -0400 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> Message-ID: <1178725748.3790.16.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:11 +0200, Herman Meester wrote: > Hi everyone, > I translated the recently refreshed section of "Major distributions" on > distrowatch.com into Dutch. > That text is in fact the opinion of the site's owner, Ladislav Bodnar. > It's not "the gospel", but I do suspect many people new to Linux will > check that page out and take its content for relatively authoritative. > There was one remark on Fedora that I couldn't agree with. > http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major&language=EN > "Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions; its > priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop > usability" > I don't really agree with the 2nd line either, which is not really > important to argue about (leads to a lot of nonsense on non-free stuff > anyway), but especially since Fedora 7's merger of Core and Extras, the > live spin thing, etc., I think that the first line, "Less > community-oriented than other major distributions" is simply no longer > true - if it ever was. > Could "y'all" or some of you come up with good arguments to present to > Mr. Bodnar (on this list, I mean), so I can object to this in a > convincing manner? Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? Well, the "less community oriented" is just argumentative, so you're probably not going to get them to budge there. I don't like the negative use of the word "desktop" which could be interpreted to mean "corporate desktop" as well, even though they use the sole use of the word "enterprise" in a contrasting note at the end. I would have them rephrase it ... "As Red Hat's leading edge technology community for new enterprise server and workstation features, Fedora developments and releases may have a discord with more consumer and home desktop features versus other distributions." Or something like that. I can't seem to peg the wording. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 9 22:34:35 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 04:04:35 +0530 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat Message-ID: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ Red Hat has released Liberation fonts under the GPL+ fonts exception license. Liberation fonts are metric equivalent to key Microsoft fonts. This is a major milestone and significantly enhances the interoperability of documents and content under these Microsoft fonts in Linux. Red Hat has included third party licensed fonts in the extras/supplementary channel for this purpose to Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers before. Some end users have been building packages with the restricted Microsoft core fonts but these have only been only short term solutions. What has been provided now closes one of the significant usabilit gaps for the Free software world and Fedora out of the box. The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters and lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and support for other locales. They are available now in the Fedora 7 Preview Live DVD specially created for the Red Hat summit. I believe the plan it to make these available in the Fedora repository via the regular review process. Enjoy! Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu May 10 01:26:38 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:26:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <40260.192.168.1.1.1178760398.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > Hi > > http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ > > Red Hat has released Liberation fonts under the GPL+ fonts exception > license. Liberation fonts are metric equivalent to key Microsoft fonts. > This is a major milestone and significantly enhances the > interoperability of documents and content under these Microsoft fonts in > Linux. > > Red Hat has included third party licensed fonts in the > extras/supplementary channel for this purpose to Red Hat Enterprise > Linux customers before. Some end users have been building packages with > the restricted Microsoft core fonts but these have only been only short > term solutions. What has been provided now closes one of the significant > usabilit gaps for the Free software world and Fedora out of the box. > > The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters and > lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and support > for other locales. > > They are available now in the Fedora 7 Preview Live DVD specially > created for the Red Hat summit. I believe the plan it to make these > available in the Fedora repository via the regular review process. Enjoy! > > Rahul > Credit to Red Hat as always for helping out the community. Regards, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 03:05:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:35:28 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> Message-ID: <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> Herman Meester wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I translated the recently refreshed section of "Major distributions" on > distrowatch.com into Dutch. > That text is in fact the opinion of the site's owner, Ladislav Bodnar. > It's not "the gospel", but I do suspect many people new to Linux will > check that page out and take its content for relatively authoritative. > > There was one remark on Fedora that I couldn't agree with. > > http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major&language=EN > > > "Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions; its > priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop > usability" > > I don't really agree with the 2nd line either, which is not really > important to argue about (leads to a lot of nonsense on non-free stuff > anyway), but especially since Fedora 7's merger of Core and Extras, the > live spin thing, etc., I think that the first line, "Less > community-oriented than other major distributions" is simply no longer > true - if it ever was. > > Could "y'all" or some of you come up with good arguments to present to > Mr. Bodnar (on this list, I mean), so I can object to this in a > convincing manner? Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? I think this deserves a detailed response. (CC'ing Ladislav Bodnar) With the understanding that any attempts to summarize the nature of a distribution is bound to be subjective I would like to comment on the two items you have suggested as cons Community Orientation ---------------------- There are a number of things show how much oriented we are towards the community. * Licenses - Our credentials here is well established. We have a strong focus on Free and open source software. * Platform - We provide the usual list of suspects for everyone to contribute to - Open mailing lists, forums, irc channels, bug tracking systems etc. * Governance - All the important bodies in governing Fedora has volunteers playing a major role or leading efforts. Fedora Project board, Fedora Engineering Steering committee, Release Engineering and so on. One of the important things to understand is that it makes obvious sense for Red Hat to hire the active contributors who are part of Fedora and the community and it has increasingly done so. Mike McGrath and Toshio Kuratomi for Fedora Infrastructure, Chuck Ebbert as kernel co-maintainer. Seth Vidal as yum developer and atleast one another person who has shall go unnamed till he becomes less shy letting the world know ;-). Moving ahead is more important for us than the politically correct balance. We need to break down the artificial barriers and segmentation anyway. Though democracy isn't a model I would promote on every place (nor does the Debian founder for that matter) it should be of interest that engineering, documentation, ambassadors committees are elected bodies and Fedora Board is atleast partially becoming so post Fedora 7 release. * Contributors - We are fond of saying that everyone who works on Fedora (or even just uses it) is part of the community regardless of whether we work for Red Hat or not. If you count the participation of non Red Hat volunteers as a measure of strength you need to look at our current statistics[1] We have participation from not only volunteers but many vendors like Dell and IBM. Today I think we are doing it better than any community distribution with a vendor backing the efforts and we are only getting better. I would encourage you to compare this with other vendor backed efforts like OpenSUSE or Ubuntu and look at how many volunteers are part of their governing bodies and see whether you can still consider us as less community oriented. I bet you are in for a surprise if you do that. Starting out with the formation and success of Fedora Extras and culminating with the Fedora 7 release we have steadily grown better at delivering what we originally promised. We have had our share of missteps, scrambled to do better and we still have lots left to do but I am not feeling this as a weakness anymore. It took us a longer time than we had hoped but what we set out to do when we launched Fedora as a Red Hat sponsored partnership between community and a commercial vendor was breaking new grounds. The success of that methodology is undeniable. One just needs to look at OpenSUSE, Freespire, OpenSolaris, MySQL community edition or even what Red Hat again is doing currently with JBoss to understand the impact of the model that Fedora Project pioneered. Max Spevack described what we are doing with our next release[2] and you would notice that there is hardly any mention of our feature list[3]. This is not because we don't have new features worth mentioning. We certainly do but the primary target of the Fedora 7 release is laying out the groundwork for the volunteer community to drive more of what we are doing now and in the future. It is as Christopher Blizzard described [4] all about the community. Desktop Focus ------------- I am part of the OLPC team which is based on a derivative of Fedora. I have just convinced a couple of days back a roommate of mine who knows nothing about Linux that we need to install Fedora 7 on a new Sony Playstation 3 he is about to buy. Did I mention that Sony official supports Yellow Dog which is again a derivative of Fedora and Fedora 7 will support it out of the box too? I think of these as the new desktop platforms that we play a pivotal role. I think you would agree that Freedesktop.org, HAL, Dbus, Cairo, Network Manager or AIGLX are important pieces of any modern desktop environment. Red Hat folks[5] have started these efforts and continue to play a important role in these and many of these efforts showed up in a big way in Fedora. With the introduction of GNOME and KDE based installable live images in Fedora we have reached another major milestone. . You might want to play with Big board[6] or mugshot[7] a bit like I did to get a look at some of the interesting things we are working on. We are already planning to innovate in new ways for the next release[8]. Some closing thoughts[9] for you to think about. We do have a strong desktop focus and clear desktop strategy but it might not be in the way your expect. Thanks for any constructive criticism and feedback. Keep them coming. [1] http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/11669.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-May/msg00002.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/FeatureList [4] http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=284 [5]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions [6]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2007-May/msg00002.html [7]http://mugshot.org/applications [8]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2007-May/msg00005.html [9]http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/05/09/ask-shadowman-ye-olde-linux-desktop/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 04:06:36 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:36:36 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > I wish you guys complained earlier, when we were having a discussion > about each distro's description. I did ask for input, but as far as I > can remember, there were no complaints about that particular point. > Now the article has been translated to 7 languages so changing any > text is no longer as simple as editing one line. Also, I'd prefer if > any particular complaint/suggestion came directly from the user > community, not from people who have a redhat.com or fedoraproject.org > in their email addresses, since you are likely to be biased. > > Anyway, I am now going to switch my main system to Fedora (I rotate > distributions every 6 months in order to be more objective about > covering them) so hopefully I'll get a bit more involved with the > Fedora community soon. Alternatively, you can try to rally your users > - if I receive 100 emails saying that Fedora is every bit as > community-oriented as Ubuntu or Debian or openSUSE, I will concede > that I was wrong. > > Cheers :-) > > Ladislav If translation is the issue, I am sure we can ask our translators to help out in that. Everybody is biased Ladislav. I just make mine more explicit in my email address. If mass spam is what will convince you that can surely be arranged too ;-). Welcome to Fedora again. Let us know what your impressions are when you get sometime with Fedora 7. I look forward to any reviews. Rahul From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu May 10 07:22:01 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:22:01 +0200 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1178781721.3068.22.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > > I wish you guys complained earlier, when we were having a discussion > > about each distro's description. I did ask for input, but as far as I > > can remember, there were no complaints about that particular point. > > Now the article has been translated to 7 languages so changing any > > text is no longer as simple as editing one line. Also, I'd prefer if > > any particular complaint/suggestion came directly from the user > > community, not from people who have a redhat.com or fedoraproject.org > > in their email addresses, since you are likely to be biased. > > > > Anyway, I am now going to switch my main system to Fedora (I rotate > > distributions every 6 months in order to be more objective about > > covering them) so hopefully I'll get a bit more involved with the > > Fedora community soon. Alternatively, you can try to rally your users > > - if I receive 100 emails saying that Fedora is every bit as > > community-oriented as Ubuntu or Debian or openSUSE, I will concede > > that I was wrong. > > > > Cheers :-) > > > > Ladislav We have to agree with Ladislav on the fact that "we" did not complain when he posted the drafts of the new texts in the DW Weekly section. Maybe his request to give such feedback got unnoticed. This means we should either have read DWW better or not complain now, perhaps. ;) I would be to blame for that too, since I do remember (vaguely) having read this request for feedback. My initial objective to ask people here on the list instead of Ladislav straight was merely to ask for feedback on the question if there were arguments against the Fedora "Cons" lines. I would then approach Ladislav, but it got CC'ed right away; well, I guess out it the open is even better. I'd just say that if Ladislav would eventually be willing to change something and be able to have all (voluntary) translators change the line too (if things are to be changed and not just deleted, they would have to tell him what actually to remove), that would be nice. But we can hardly *demand* that to happen. I'm sure some Suse, Debian, Gentoo or Mandriva folks would have a thing or two to say. :) > If translation is the issue, I am sure we can ask our translators to > help out in that. Everybody is biased Ladislav. I just make mine more > explicit in my email address. I agree. There are loads of fanboys out there without "Ubuntu" or "PCLOS" in their e-mail addresses. ;) I for one am not paid and never have (probably never will) by any "North American Software Vendor." :) > If mass spam is what will convince you that can surely be arranged too > ;-). I'm not sure if that is where we want to go. (?) It is true this mailing list has a 'biased' objective, but let's do the convincing thing by means of quality, not quantity. > Welcome to Fedora again. Let us know what your impressions are when > you get sometime with Fedora 7. I look forward to any reviews. > > Rahul > From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu May 10 08:23:35 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:23:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 10 mai 2007 00:34, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi Hi Rahul, > The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters and > lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and support > for other locales. This calls for many questions: 1. Is this a long-term Red Hat project or will it go stagnant after initial funding dries out ? (Luxi and Vera-like) 2. Does Red Hat intend to morph it in a community project (with the usual wiki+bugzilla+open SCM infrastructure) or will contributions be restricted to the contracted foundry (ie will it need a fork like Vera before joining community space ?) 3. what is the reasonning between the licensing choice? Most recent FLOSS font projects seem to be gravitation towards OFL, and licensing differences make cross-pollination difficult 4. will unicode coverage ever extend past Latin, Greek and Cyrillic ? Is Latin, Greek and Cyrillic support limited to most common glyphs or does it also includes regional variants (welsh, catalan, coptic, etc) 5. is it intended to be the new RHEL or Fedora default font set or just a windows compatibility pack ? 6. why did Red Hat choose to launch a new font project instead of improving one of the existing FLOSS fonts? Was metric compatibility the main reason? If so is it not dangerous to target the windows 2000/XP font set when vista just introduced a new default font set ? 7. why is this discussed on the marketing list first ? [feel free to redirect answers to whatever forum you feel is most appropriate] -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 10 08:42:11 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:42:11 +0300 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4642DAE3.4000307@nicubunu.ro> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > This calls for many questions: > > 2. Does Red Hat intend to morph it in a community project (with the > usual wiki+bugzilla+open SCM infrastructure) or will contributions be > restricted to the contracted foundry (ie will it need a fork like Vera > before joining community space ?) One possibility I see is to work with the Open Font Library (unfortunately the website http://openfontlibrary.org/ is down for the moment because of some troubles with freedesktop.org) > 5. is it intended to be the new RHEL or Fedora default font set or > just a windows compatibility pack ? The linked article seems to suggest it as a future default font. > 7. why is this discussed on the marketing list first ? I guess it was an invitation for people to spread the word about it (blogs, digg, news sites). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 08:47:01 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:17:01 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <1178781721.3068.22.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> <1178781721.3068.22.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> Message-ID: <4642DC05.5090201@fedoraproject.org> Herman Meester wrote: > >> If mass spam is what will convince you that can surely be arranged too >> ;-). > > I'm not sure if that is where we want to go. (?) > It is true this mailing list has a 'biased' objective, but let's do the > convincing thing by means of quality, not quantity. Oh come on. Don't play spoil sport. That was a joke. Rahul From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Thu May 10 09:09:29 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:09:29 +0200 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <4642DC05.5090201@fedoraproject.org> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> <1178781721.3068.22.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <4642DC05.5090201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1178788171.3068.26.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 14:17 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Herman Meester wrote: > > > > >> If mass spam is what will convince you that can surely be arranged too > >> ;-). > > > > I'm not sure if that is where we want to go. (?) > > It is true this mailing list has a 'biased' objective, but let's do the > > convincing thing by means of quality, not quantity. > > Oh come on. Don't play spoil sport. That was a joke. > > Rahul > Sorry, my bad. :oops: Mood was too serious this morning, I guess. HM From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 09:13:49 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:43:49 +0530 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4642E24D.4000208@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Jeu 10 mai 2007 00:34, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Hi > > Hi Rahul, > >> The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters and >> lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and support >> for other locales. > > This calls for many questions: [I am not involved with this effort in any intimate level nor am I anyway an expert in font technology. The contact point for more details is Red Hat counsel, Mark Webbink who has been driving this effort. He is pretty busy so getting official answers is going to take sometime. I will answer these to my best of my knowledge. If you want further clarifications I would have to get back to him] > 1. Is this a long-term Red Hat project or will it go stagnant after > initial funding dries out ? (Luxi and Vera-like) There is alteast a second update planned as the link says. > 2. Does Red Hat intend to morph it in a community project (with the > usual wiki+bugzilla+open SCM infrastructure) or will contributions be > restricted to the contracted foundry (ie will it need a fork like Vera > before joining community space ?) Whether we can get community contributors depending on the contractual obligations between Red Hat and the font vendor doing the work. If a fork is necessary we can setup a community space in Fedora at hosted.fedoraproject.org and drive that. > 3. what is the reasonning between the licensing choice? Most recent > FLOSS font projects seem to be gravitation towards OFL, and licensing > differences make cross-pollination difficult GPL+ Fonts exception might be compatible with other font licenses. I haven't looked yet. Not sure why this license was chosen. > 4. will unicode coverage ever extend past Latin, Greek and Cyrillic ? > Is Latin, Greek and Cyrillic support limited to most common glyphs or > does it also includes regional variants (welsh, catalan, coptic, etc) I heard there is going to more locale support again based on regions Red Hat has customers asking for this. > 5. is it intended to be the new RHEL or Fedora default font set or > just a windows compatibility pack ? Compatibility atleast for RHEL. Language coverage is not enough for it be the default set. We can make our own decisions in Fedora. > 6. why did Red Hat choose to launch a new font project instead of > improving one of the existing FLOSS fonts? Was metric compatibility > the main reason? If so is it not dangerous to target the windows > 2000/XP font set when vista just introduced a new default font set ? Metric compatibility is the main requirement here. There are a inanely large of documents that are using these fonts and without metric compatibility these documents lose formating. A number of customers can't afford that disruption and that is driving the choices here. Hopefully we can them off this practice before the new vista default set in Windows gets popular. > 7. why is this discussed on the marketing list first ? I thought it was pretty important change and Fedora folks should be aware of it. I think this is more or less suitable for this list. That's all. Not doing it representing the project or in any official capacity. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu May 10 09:42:10 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <4642E24D.4000208@fedoraproject.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4642E24D.4000208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6449.192.54.193.51.1178790130.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 10 mai 2007 11:13, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Jeu 10 mai 2007 00:34, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>> Hi >> >> Hi Rahul, >> >>> The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters >>> and >>> lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and >>> support >>> for other locales. >> >> This calls for many questions: > > [I am not involved with this effort in any intimate level nor am I > anyway an expert in font technology. The contact point for more > details > is Red Hat counsel, Mark Webbink who has been driving this effort. He > is > pretty busy so getting official answers is going to take sometime. I > will answer these to my best of my knowledge. If you want further > clarifications I would have to get back to him] I think core fonts are a highly user-visible part of the distribution, and it would be better if the people @rh behind this project presented it on fedora-devel before people learn of it through a press release. This development is probably positive but the communication choices so far are not too community-oriented (which is a pity since the licensing choices imply a community orientation) I doubt I've exhausted the questions people will want answers to. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 09:47:44 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:17:44 +0530 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <6449.192.54.193.51.1178790130.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46424C7B.5000200@fedoraproject.org> <25571.192.54.193.51.1178785415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4642E24D.4000208@fedoraproject.org> <6449.192.54.193.51.1178790130.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4642EA40.3000902@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I think core fonts are a highly user-visible part of the distribution, > and it would be better if the people @rh behind this project presented > it on fedora-devel before people learn of it through a press release. > > This development is probably positive but the communication choices so > far are not too community-oriented (which is a pity since the > licensing choices imply a community orientation) > > I doubt I've exhausted the questions people will want answers to. This is not a Fedora specific development. When it is introduced in Fedora you can ask the development questions to the people involved. Rahul From rerushg at homexpressway.net Thu May 10 11:35:58 2007 From: rerushg at homexpressway.net (rerushg at homexpressway.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" Message-ID: <6391.165.166.0.80.1178796958.squirrel@webmail2.homexpressway.net> >Herman writes... >Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? Yes, there is truth in it, still. I wrote about this to this group a month or so ago. I won't regurgitate all that here. >"Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions....." That's what Distrowatch said. I'd be curious to hear what others think this statement actually means. What do you think "less community-oriented" means? And Rahul has written a wonderfully constructed reply. Don't get me wrong. I like Fedora. But I'm not an "insider" so I don't necessarily feel compelled to leap to its defence. Perhaps someone should play a bit of "devil's advocate" here. Would it be worthwhile, Rahul, to probe Mr. Bodnar a bit on this matter? That is: "Why do you feel this way?".... "Are there facts (complaints, etc.) that justify the comment or is it a 'general perception'?".....etc... Point is: Maybe there is something to be learned here so it might first be useful to understand the authors meaning, sources, and motivation. Further: As Linux Desktop moves, rapidly it seems, from the tech world (where Fedora shines) to the consumer world, facts become less important and give way to perception. Jessica Simpson TV ad on 1080i HDTV: "I totally don't know what it is but I want it". Pretty much says it all. If Mr. Bodnar is conveying a perception felt within the general Linux public it's important to understand that and deal with it. Rick From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 10 18:21:52 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:21:52 -0800 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910705101121y5f82fa54qc4db492e7d93ab1d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > > Also, I'd prefer if > > any particular complaint/suggestion came directly from the user > > community, not from people who have a redhat.com or fedoraproject.org > > in their email addresses, since you are likely to be biased. What is the definition of 'user community?' Would Ladislav rather hear from me? I so dearly love talking to misinformed people in the technical laypress. Or do I not count because I'm an active contributor? I just don't get it. Why is there an arbitrary preference to hear from people who stand outside the process of moving the project forward? Who is allowed to speak for the community, the people who aren't actively involved in setting the direction? How is that unbias, let alone informed. I buy Girl Scout cookies, I guess that makes me perfectly equipped to wax eloquent unbiasedly in a general manner concerning the goals,motivations, and structures of the girl scout organization. -jef"I'd take biased well-informed and thoughtful opinion, over slapdash, first-glance, arms-length, impressionistic poorly researched argumentation any day of the week. I'm really hoping that at some point the technical laypress figures out that my content preferences are worth catering to. Until then I'll just keep reading penny-arcade instead."spaleta From chasd at silveroaks.com Thu May 10 19:53:57 2007 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:53:57 -0500 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20070510160009.4A00973665@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070510160009.4A00973665@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <303935E2-46CF-491D-9EE0-A8A715927638@silveroaks.com> > http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ Excellent news. Should Fedora web sites, promotional documents, presentations, and documentations use these fonts ? Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely licensed fonts ? If Fedora decides to ship these fonts, it would be nice to have Embedded OpenType and/or TrueDoc font files as part of the RPM package. Charles Dostale From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 10 19:58:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 01:28:28 +0530 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <303935E2-46CF-491D-9EE0-A8A715927638@silveroaks.com> References: <20070510160009.4A00973665@hormel.redhat.com> <303935E2-46CF-491D-9EE0-A8A715927638@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <46437964.3000407@fedoraproject.org> chasd wrote: >> http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ > > Excellent news. > Should Fedora web sites, promotional documents, presentations, and > documentations use these fonts ? These are just meant for compatibility with existent content that uses some of the popular Microsoft fonts. I wouldn't advocate using them anywhere by default. > Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely > licensed fonts ? Definitely. If there any choice at all in the matter we should use fonts that have no or minimum restrictions. > If Fedora decides to ship these fonts, it would be nice to have Embedded > OpenType and/or TrueDoc font files as part of the RPM package. Let's see. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu May 10 20:09:31 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:09:31 +0200 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <46437964.3000407@fedoraproject.org> References: <20070510160009.4A00973665@hormel.redhat.com> <303935E2-46CF-491D-9EE0-A8A715927638@silveroaks.com> <46437964.3000407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1178827771.23985.5.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 11 mai 2007 ? 01:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > chasd wrote: > >> http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ > > > > Excellent news. > > Should Fedora web sites, promotional documents, presentations, and > > documentations use these fonts ? > > These are just meant for compatibility with existent content that uses > some of the popular Microsoft fonts. I wouldn't advocate using them > anywhere by default. Yes. Especially since so far those fonts do not exist at all within Fedora. This is no the typical feature which has already been discussed in technical Fedora forums and is available in Fedora Devel at least (the RHEL packages would no pass review in their current form) > > Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely > > licensed fonts ? > > Definitely. If there any choice at all in the matter we should use fonts > that have no or minimum restrictions. And we already have such fonts in Fedora. And we don't have the Arial/TNR metric contraint on our own documents. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing in the past week+ exists in rawhide due to the merge. > This is no the typical feature which has already been discussed > in technical Fedora forums and is available in Fedora Devel at least > (the RHEL packages would no pass review in their current form) Not like this is a technical issue anyway... These are on the Fedora 7 preview Live CDs that we're handing out at the Red Hat Summit. I believe it would be folly to not include them in Fedora 7 final. From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri May 11 18:22:54 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:22:54 +0200 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <4644AD0A.5030505@redhat.com> References: <20070510160009.4A00973665@hormel.redhat.com> <303935E2-46CF-491D-9EE0-A8A715927638@silveroaks.com> <46437964.3000407@fedoraproject.org> <1178827771.23985.5.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4644AD0A.5030505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1178907774.4360.19.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 11 mai 2007 ? 13:51 -0400, Christopher Aillon a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Yes. Especially since so far those fonts do not exist at all within > > Fedora. > > Nothing in the past week+ exists in rawhide due to the merge. Yes but there is stuff that could be pushed as-is and stuff just not ready. > > This is no the typical feature which has already been discussed > > in technical Fedora forums and is available in Fedora Devel at least > > (the RHEL packages would no pass review in their current form) > > Not like this is a technical issue anyway... These are on the Fedora 7 > preview Live CDs that we're handing out at the Red Hat Summit. I > believe it would be folly to not include them in Fedora 7 final. The package needs work first: - the spec does not follow our current rules (forces a fontconfig dep) - it lacks any form of fontconfig setup, which is required if you want the ms core font substitution to actually work - the license file is not properly encoded and is dumped in the wrong place Also: - a lot of obvious questions are not answered on the web site or in the package - the screen and print priority of the font was never discussed in Fedora instances, which is not a problem for a minor font but is if you want it to be one of the primary distro ones You can not just dump a few ttfs on the filesystem at the last minute and expect you're done. Font stuff is hard. Users will flame you mercilessly if you make a mistake. Neither Vera nor DejaVu made it in the distro this easily, and they had plenty of upstream reviews before being considered for Fedora (as opposed to a confidential embargoed release process) Like I wrote the package didn't even hit the technical Fedora trail yet. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From chasd at silveroaks.com Fri May 11 22:20:31 2007 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:20:31 -0500 Subject: Liberations fonts from Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20070511160008.618057349E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070511160008.618057349E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3383CD65-A7EF-4E52-BDD1-4ED751389009@silveroaks.com> Charles Dostale said : >>> Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely >>> licensed fonts ? Rahul Sundaram said : >> Definitely. If there any choice at all in the matter we should use >> fonts >> that have no or minimum restrictions. Nicolas Mailhot said : > And we already have such fonts in Fedora. And we don't have the > Arial/TNR metric contraint on our own documents. Yes, agreed. My above question appeared from the train of thought around the new fonts, I did not wish to imply any guideline should limit marketing materials to only the Liberation font. Just trying to make Fedora the best that Free can be. Charles Dostale From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 12 05:55:02 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:25:02 +0530 Subject: A Mac User's Opinion of Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <464556B6.70409@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Not really a review but you don't find OS X users trying out Fedora all the time. Thought the perspectives are interesting. "So, if you have the option of using Fedora at work I would definitely suggest you give it a try. But don?t just try it because you hate Windows (though that is a really good excuse); try it because you want to learn something different. Try it because you want to experience a different way of doing things." http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/1949/ Rahul From marek at mahut.sk Sat May 12 09:40:37 2007 From: marek at mahut.sk (Marek Mahut) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:40:37 +0200 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <8bf7d8a70705092058v248a7bf3tf8745948bca85d9f@mail.gmail.com> <46429A4C.9040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1178962837.3548.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Ladislav, First at all, thank you for good work you are doing with distrowatch.com. On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > > I wish you guys complained earlier, when we were having a discussion > > about each distro's description. I did ask for input, but as far as I > > can remember, there were no complaints about that particular point. > > Now the article has been translated to 7 languages so changing any > > text is no longer as simple as editing one line. Also, I'd prefer if > > any particular complaint/suggestion came directly from the user > > community, not from people who have a redhat.com or fedoraproject.org > > in their email addresses, since you are likely to be biased. Wait, fedoraproject.org email address isn't community? > > Anyway, I am now going to switch my main system to Fedora (I rotate > > distributions every 6 months in order to be more objective about > > covering them) so hopefully I'll get a bit more involved with the > > Fedora community soon. Alternatively, you can try to rally your users > > - if I receive 100 emails saying that Fedora is every bit as > > community-oriented as Ubuntu or Debian or openSUSE, I will concede > > that I was wrong. It's not about spam you receive that community is oriented or not :) >From my point of view Fedora has a great developer community, it's true that the user community isn't so strong like Ubuntu. However, Canonical put more $$$ into Ubuntu that RedHat to Fedora - there's less community developers of Ubuntu that Fedora. > > Cheers :-) > > > > Ladislav Cheers, /Marek. -- Marek Mahut From romal at gmx.de Sat May 12 13:47:17 2007 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:47:17 +0200 Subject: A Mac User's Opinion of Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <464556B6.70409@fedoraproject.org> References: <464556B6.70409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4645C565.2050101@gmx.de> Hi, I know a bunch of them (including me). Comparing MacOS X and Fedora is indeed an interessting thing to do. In my opinon MacOSX is much more simpler to use. Software Installation (including the os itself) is way simpler: simply unzip the app and drop it anywhere. Patching is better. Multimedia-Support is better. But I think it`s unfair to compare them. Apple has control over the hardware-plattform. No unkown hardware, no windows-centric-acpi-design, ... Linux has to run on an open hardware-mix. And Apple provides much more than an OS. They have some very strong apps, the have Adobe, the have iTunes and the IPod. Apple is more a system / family than a single operating system. Apple has only one gui, and not two of them (Gnome, KDE). Two GUIs are eating up lots of manpower and messing up the user-experince. KDE-apps in Gnome are visually unpleasent. Linux is much more transparent. If something bothers you, there is always a way to customize the system. It is easier to see the inner working to troubleshoot problems, ... Apple is much thighter. If you close you laptop the machine suspends. There is no way to chose suspend-to-disk oder suspend-to-ram. If you install the os, you get Apples Safari browser and Quicktime, no choice. You have no choice of network-autoconfiguration like network-manager or not, you get it. I think this is an important aspect. Ubuntu tries to mimick this and many users like that. But: both are unix-like operating systems. And MacOS is a heir of NeXT, which was a really cool machine. cu romal Rahul Sundaram schrieb: > > Hi, > > Not really a review but you don't find OS X users trying out Fedora all > the time. Thought the perspectives are interesting. > > > "So, if you have the option of using Fedora at work I would definitely > suggest you give it a try. But don?t just try it because you hate > Windows (though that is a really good excuse); try it because you want > to learn something different. Try it because you want to experience a > different way of doing things." > > http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/1949/ > > Rahul > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat May 12 18:14:40 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:14:40 -0500 Subject: A Mac User's Opinion of Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <464556B6.70409@fedoraproject.org> References: <464556B6.70409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46460410.8030000@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > > Hi, > > Not really a review but you don't find OS X users trying out Fedora > all the time. Thought the perspectives are interesting. > > > "So, if you have the option of using Fedora at work I would > definitely suggest you give it a try. But don?t just try it because > you hate Windows (though that is a really good excuse); try it > because you want to learn something different. Try it because you > want to experience a different way of doing things." > > http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/1949/ > > Rahul > Interesting perspective indeed... I have to say that I recently used OS X Tiger (last version I used was Panther) and I must agree with the overall "rigidity" of it. Still I also agree about some of the statements about how OS X feels "superior" to Fedora (not that it really is superior, rather it has more planning and is a homogeneous base, compared to the Linux distros ground), and like a friend of mine some time told me: "It's all about the applications, stupid". That is oh, so true. Mac OS X with Free and native applications is delicious to use, but then again, so is my Fedora box... At a fraction of the TCO of a Macintosh. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRgQQXM+XOp70dwoRArQTAJ43rv29FXRJNaaoN6gUPn0OaKQArwCdFjq1 /3u3vtLktIUfJVCTTmWaBDU= =d+aJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon May 14 19:09:40 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:09:40 +0200 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" Message-ID: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the internet. Who is scared? I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has in its DNA those words). Regards Francesco Ugolini -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Mon May 14 21:41:38 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:41:38 +0200 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2007/5/14, Francesco Ugolini : > > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top > > This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the > internet. > > Who is scared? > > I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. > > Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. > > Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" > > I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue > to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has > in its DNA those words). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Actually, I think someone in the US should sue Microsoft for damages on grounds of slander or libel or whatever it's called in the US legal system. You see, they have been saying this repeatedly over time, without specifying it or without any lawsuits. One could claim in court that this way, MS (being such a.. prominent player) is giving F/OSS users/makers a bad name in software land, scaring customers that don't know any better away from using F/OSS, thus damaging reputations and affecting revenues. All it takes is a clever attorney to make it happen - force MS to put their cards on the table, or just shut their hypocritical mouth. :) As a European, I'm not *yet* likely to be affected by any of this, but you never know how this patent this will develop... herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From omen at fedoraproject.org Tue May 15 06:21:10 2007 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (SaadAlDine AlSaidi) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:21:10 +0300 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200705150921.10214.omen@fedoraproject.org> Hello All, I guess as always microsoft will try everything thing it has to stand against the vast spread of open-source operating systems and software, they clam their patent violation on some softwares by relaying on English words and even key-board shortcuts. Lucky, up till now no court, not even the American ones could or hopefully ever will give them the right or make them win a case. -------- SaadAlDine AlSaidi On Monday 14 May 2007 22:09, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&tax >onomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top > > This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the internet. > > Who is scared? > > I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. > > Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. > > Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" > > I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue > to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has > in its DNA those words). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue May 15 13:01:28 2007 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:01:28 +0200 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4649AF28.2090500@fedoraproject.org> Me too, as European citizen we are immune by such policies, but it could real help people understand the situation. Herman Meester ha scritto: > > > 2007/5/14, Francesco Ugolini >: > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top > > > This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the > internet. > > Who is scared? > > I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. > > Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. > > Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" > > I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue > to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has > in its DNA those words). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > -- > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > Actually, I think someone in the US should sue Microsoft for damages on > grounds of slander or libel or whatever it's called in the US legal system. > > You see, they have been saying this repeatedly over time, without > specifying it or without any lawsuits. > One could claim in court that this way, MS (being such a.. prominent > player) is giving F/OSS users/makers a bad name in software land, > scaring customers that don't know any better away from using F/OSS, thus > damaging reputations and affecting revenues. > All it takes is a clever attorney to make it happen - force MS to put > their cards on the table, or just shut their hypocritical mouth. :) > > As a European, I'm not *yet* likely to be affected by any of this, but > you never know how this patent this will develop... > > herman > -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue May 15 13:18:26 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:18:26 +0800 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4649B322.1030902@mwiriadi.id.au> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top > > This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the internet. > > Who is scared? > > I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. > > Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. > > Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" > > I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue > to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has > in its DNA those words). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini Every now and again Microsoft likes to start a fear campaign that if you buy linux or use linux you run the risk of getting sued. What this does is provide companies with a check point to stop and think what if they are right. It won't affect a lot of the users but it will affect the corporates. Sadly until there is a lawsuit people will still believe Microsoft over Open Source Software developers. The local guy who installed the computer agrees with Microsoft and the developers do not have a store front where they can explain that what Microsoft said has not been tested in court so it may or may not be true. The success of Corporate Linux vendors will slowly bypass the comments from Microsoft but even then its a long struggle. I personally believe wholeheartedly that whatever version of linux you have if there is a company backing it you should support them. My belief stems from the fact that these corporates are advertising linux and its benefits. Everyone in the linux community benefits over time and community groups usually can't compete with the corporate dollars. My $0.02 Marc From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue May 15 13:28:10 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:28:10 +0200 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <4649AF28.2090500@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> <4649AF28.2090500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4649B56A.9060308@kanarip.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Me too, as European citizen we are immune by such policies, but it could > real help people understand the situation. > > We're not immune, we're just outside US jurisdiction. -kanarip From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue May 15 19:49:15 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:49:15 -0500 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <464A0EBB.4010505@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the so called "IP infringement" were true, and knowing the record of Microsoft in regards to this, wouldn't they have sued Red Hat already... like years ago? It is always the same case, some PR guy from Microsoft (even if it is Ballmer himself) steps up and says "Linux infringes on Microsoft's patents and IP" the genius (because it is genius in a twisted kind of way) of this is that they will NEVER tell which patents and /or other IP does Linux (as a whole) infringes. They could even claim that it does infringe the multimedia patents for their file formats, etc... But they also know that such programs aren't installed by default, so it is only a smoke curtain to try and stop people (corporations) from adopting Linux.... (I hate the example, but it is much like the RIAA, menacing to sue individuals, rather than those companies providing the software). I wonder if there would be Class-Action suit against Microsoft over these claims and then force them to either shut the heck up or show which patents does "Linux" infringe. I live outside the US, so I couldn't possibly join to the Class-Action (though I'd love to) and stop this nonsense once and for all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGSg67XM+XOp70dwoRAl/5AJ98vjqRxNk314h5KOBVppDbbCjWRACfbK/I f8V3MKnVP0psy4HP8oYin9s= =9iXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pandey.pandey at gmail.com Tue May 15 20:37:32 2007 From: pandey.pandey at gmail.com (Rajesh Pandey) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:22:32 +0545 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <200705150921.10214.omen@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> <200705150921.10214.omen@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Microsoft says : *"This is not a case of some accidental, unknowing infringement. ...There is an overwhelming number of patents being infringed," * and : *The spokesman pointed out that a free software group called the Open Source Risk Management Group itself had confirmed via an August 2004 study (PDF format) that Linux could be in violation of 283 patents, though none of those patents had been proven in court at the time. ** *These are not new things that Microsoft likes to play with.. Always trying to down the morale of FSF and Open Source Communities.. They are in search of new words which could track the OSCs.. But millions of users can't be stopped at once.. Microsoft JUST CAN CONTROL WINDOWS AND ONLY MICROSOFT WINDOWS. Not anything else.. not the will, heart, and minds of millions of users. On 5/15/07, SaadAlDine AlSaidi wrote: > > Hello All, > I guess as always microsoft will try everything thing it has to stand > against > the vast spread of open-source operating systems and software, they clam > their patent violation on some softwares by relaying on English words and > even key-board shortcuts. > Lucky, up till now no court, not even the American ones could or hopefully > ever will give them the right or make them win a case. > > -------- > SaadAlDine AlSaidi > > On Monday 14 May 2007 22:09, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command > =viewArticleBasic&tax > >onomyName=development&articleId=9019238&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top > > > > This is only an article from the hundreds that i found trough the > internet. > > > > Who is scared? > > > > I think it could really help Open Source communities grow. > > > > Stop to fight against each other, just follow our goals and our ideals. > > > > Seneca, a Latin writer, said: "The best ideas are common property" > > > > I trust completely in those words, and for this reason i will continue > > to trust in Open Source and to help this trough Fedora Project (who has > > in its DNA those words). > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 16 02:55:09 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:25:09 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community" In-Reply-To: <200705161046.46301.distro@distrowatch.com> References: <1178719906.23907.16.camel@dhcppc0.lokaal> <46428BF8.4010502@fedoraproject.org> <1178769942.4867.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705161046.46301.distro@distrowatch.com> Message-ID: <464A728D.4020900@fedoraproject.org> Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > On Thursday 10 May 2007, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> I would shorten this to a few salient points. We are a community >> distribution. Everything we use to build the distribution is freely >> available to anyone. Any package in our distribution is open to >> ownership by anyone - Red Hat or not. The number of people working on >> Fedora who do not work at Red Hat outnumber Red Hat employees three to >> one. We have a governing board that is made up of both Red Hat and >> non-Red Hat folks, all of whom are passionate about free software and >> live the values they preach and use to govern the project. >> >> Anyone can participate. All they have to do is show up and start doing >> something. That's a community distribution. > > OK, I have removed the sentence. I think it was left there from an earlier > description of Red Hat Linux or early Fedora versions, but clearly, it's no > longer correct. > > Thank you all for your input :-) Thanks Ladislav. Appreciate being responsive to feedback. We hope our new planned features like integration of Big Board and Mugshot will demonstrate our focus on desktop usability too in Fedora 8. Rahul From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed May 16 14:27:17 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:27:17 -0400 Subject: "Microsoft wants royalties for open-source software" In-Reply-To: <200705150921.10214.omen@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648B3F4.7020903@fedoraproject.org> <200705150921.10214.omen@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1179325637.3711.24.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 09:21 +0300, SaadAlDine AlSaidi wrote: > Hello All, > I guess as always microsoft will try everything thing it has to stand against > the vast spread of open-source operating systems and software, they clam > their patent violation on some softwares by relaying on English words and > even key-board shortcuts. > Lucky, up till now no court, not even the American ones could or hopefully > ever will give them the right or make them win a case. First off, there was a demonization (e-Week?) of HP merely stating that patents are an issue in the US. HP has been openly licensing their patents for their GPL donations as much as IBM, Red Hat and others. HP has only been warning that people in community-developed software need to knowledgeable -- especially US developers -- not that any community-developed software (including Linux) necessarily violates any patents. Popular, community-developed software developers tend to be more knowledgeable than most commercial software developers out of necessity -- their code is exposed. Second, Microsoft is _not_ going to be suing anyone from their own words. This is FUD, pure and simple -- and Microsoft is counting on the ignorance of people or, worse yet, demonizations of it as an American company (please, don't fall into the trap of US corporation-bashing, it doesn't address the real IP/ownership/licensing issues which are _easy_ to do in reality). Microsoft _knows_ that if it starts suing Linux, IBM** -- the 8,000lbs. patent gorilla (who is not always a "friend" of pro-Linux companies (or clients who buy from their competitors) when they cross IBM's market, don't get me started ;) -- would smack Microsoft so far back that they would never recover. There is enough of a "counter patent portfolio" between various Linux companies that Microsoft would quickly find itself overburdened with lawsuits and, possibly, having to pull products off the shelf -- including its profitable Windows and Office. Microsoft not about to slit its own throat. Third and more specific, on the point that Microsoft complains about countless of their patents in OpenOffice.org, people forget that OpenOffice.org is a copyright of Sun Microsystems. Sun has a cross-patent/code license with Microsoft circa 2003 -- I mean, does anyone realize why OpenOffice.org got far more compatible with newer Microsoft Office v10/11 (XP/2003) as of about 2004? The license between Microsft and Sun! ;) So Microsoft can_not_ go after OpenOffice.org, let alone any commercial licensees, and it's very unlikely they'd have any stance on anyone who makes a LGPL derivative of it either (although we can't know for sure since the terms of their license is not public). It's the same reason why the whole whoopla on the OpenXML import/export is a non-issue as well. Lastly, as a hard-core American Libertarian and pro-Capitalist, I have done my part to educate people on community-developed software. That includes the fact that Linux, like other community-developed software, is an individual choice developers and corporates make. That is not only extremely compatible with capitalism, but a guaranteed right of assembly. In fact, it's far more American than government-created corporate monopolies, which is the facist (literally) economic model. In fact, the US basically invented the labor union (itself a free enterprise community in a capitalist market), and the labor union only became an "issue" in our capitalist society when it was government-mandated/protected (which is where the socialist aspect creates an unbalance, because it removed individual choice and free market balance). Remember, Red Hat** is an American company too, and they understand the balance of community and capitalism, and their entire "we give away everything we do, no proprietary IP here" attitude is why they are virtually the _only_ major Linux company that is fully GPLv3** compatible. Red Hat is the ultimate American ideal of the "provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare." I always like to point out the contrasting, but complementary terms "Provide" (defense) and "Promote" (welfare). I won't go any further than to point that out -- but it's exactly what Red Hat does, as well as -- of its own free will -- additionally providing for our welfare as the biggest, single code contributor in the Linux community (not withstanding the copyright sign-overs to the FSF collective). Get out and get these facts known! Stomp the FUD! **NOTE: Some of my blog articles on this ... The Five Types of Linux Corporations: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/11/five-types-of-linux-corporations.html Software, IP, Licensing and GPL 2 v. 3: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/11/software-ip-licensing-and-gpl-2-v-3.html -- Bryan J. Smith American, Capitalist and Pro-Community as an Individual Choice -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu May 17 08:38:33 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:08:33 +0530 Subject: Different python versions in a Fedora system Message-ID: <200705171408.34149.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, Is there any way to keep different Python versions in a Fedora system ? There will some installation (around 292) state wise in kiosks. But the only reason the team is refusing Fedora is its lack of support of keeping & running different versions of Python . So, is there any work around ? Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in From chasd at silveroaks.com Thu May 17 20:47:35 2007 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:47:35 -0500 Subject: A Mac User's Opinion of Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <20070512160007.3557F733A5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070512160007.3557F733A5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > In my opinon MacOSX is much more simpler to use. Software Installation > (including the os itself) is way simpler: simply unzip the app and > drop > it anywhere. OS X does not have a way to manage installed software, a huge weakness compared to Fedora. It may be simpler to install software on OS X, but it is not better. > Patching is better. OS X patches, or updates as they are called, are bundled into batches. That doesn't make them "better" , just less granular. That also makes updating less flexible. You are forced to patch the web browser at the same time you patch rsync, for example. Plus, updates for other software is separate from the updates from Apple, which is confusing and disjointed. Updates installed via "Software Update" are listed as installed in the GUI, but updates downloaded separately and applied are not listed as installed. There is a directory where those "rogue" updates can be viewed as applied, but it is not commonly known. > But I think it`s unfair to compare them. I think Fedora will have the best chance to improve if comparisons to all platforms are considered. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265 From chasd at silveroaks.com Fri May 18 15:24:45 2007 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: Metrics for F7 Message-ID: <11D6C616-F98A-4F0C-9CE3-9B475C410ACF@silveroaks.com> I hope this is on-topic for this list, apologies if not. After reading the latest ( now much improved ) Fedora Weekly News, I followed a link to Mr. Spevack's blog. I took the time to review some older posts, one where he spoke of the 2 million mark of FC6 users. Although I was aware of that information, it sparked a thought. My question : Once F7 comes out, will those unique IP address for FC6 be compared to the F7 data, so when counted F7 users reach 2 million ( or more ! ), the people that were FC6 users will be separated out as upgrade users, not "new to Fedora" users. Likely this has been discussed somewhere before, but I haven't seen it, or it is important to me and no one else. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265 From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri May 18 22:54:42 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:54:42 -0700 Subject: OLPC on CBS 60 Minutes Message-ID: <369bce3b0705181554q3cba4581if4881af97196d427@mail.gmail.com> CBS 60 Minutes will air OLPC story on Sunday, May 20, 2007 (7PM ET/PT) "ONE LAPTOP PER CHILD ? MIT Prof. Nicholas Negroponte's dream is to put a laptop computer into the hands of every child as an educational aid. Lesley Stahl reports on his progress in Cambodia and Brazil. Catherine Olian is the producer." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/07/08/60minutes/main13502.shtml -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun May 20 11:37:31 2007 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:37:31 +0200 Subject: I'm back! Message-ID: <1179661051.5742.3.camel@redhat> Hi guys! I'm writing to inform you that I'm already back after my exams. I have 5170 mails to read, so I can find out what's going on :) Ok, I think that's all for now. It's wonderful to be here again :) Cheers, Pawel From Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org Sun May 20 12:09:28 2007 From: Bart.De.Soete at fedoraproject.org (Bart De Soete) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:09:28 +0200 Subject: I'm back! In-Reply-To: <1179661051.5742.3.camel@redhat> References: <1179661051.5742.3.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <644c0c0b0705200509k3a1d6c7n5ddfd739f795636f@mail.gmail.com> Welcome back Pawel, Regards, -- Bart De Soete, Fedora Ambassador ? Belgium From kwade at redhat.com Mon May 21 05:28:17 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:17 -0700 Subject: Metrics for F7 In-Reply-To: <11D6C616-F98A-4F0C-9CE3-9B475C410ACF@silveroaks.com> References: <11D6C616-F98A-4F0C-9CE3-9B475C410ACF@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <1179725297.3439.486.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 10:24 -0500, chasd wrote: > I hope this is on-topic for this list, apologies if not. It is a good question (I think), and it is most likely on-topic for fedora-infrastructure-list. The Infrastructure folks are providing all the components involved. - Karsten > After reading the latest ( now much improved ) Fedora Weekly News, I > followed a link to Mr. Spevack's blog. I took the time to review some > older posts, one where he spoke of the 2 million mark of FC6 users. > Although I was aware of that information, it sparked a thought. > > My question : > > Once F7 comes out, will those unique IP address for FC6 be compared > to the F7 data, so when counted F7 users reach 2 million ( or > more ! ), the people that were FC6 users will be separated out as > upgrade users, not "new to Fedora" users. > > Likely this has been discussed somewhere before, but I haven't seen > it, or it is important to me and no one else. > > > Charles Dostale > System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications > http://www.silveroaks.com/ > 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265 > -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Tue May 22 15:52:11 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcement talking points (HURRY!) In-Reply-To: <1179849161.3439.709.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1179849161.3439.709.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: Let me take a shot on-list, since we're more likely to see engagement this way IMHO: Big Message #1: REMIX. Fedora is now remixable. Add your own packages, remove packages you don't like, build your own distro and share it with the world. Let a thousand distros bloom. Big Message #2: APPLIANCES. The new tools for building Fedora make it *dead simple* for any reasonably experienced Linux admin to create their own custom distribution. Ideal for ISVs who want to build an appliance around their own product. Build an RPM, identify the minimal number of packages needed to make an appliance around that RPM, and then build a distro and a live image. Easy as pie. These are essentially the same message -- but they hit two different audiences. The first message is "consumer-y", the second is "enterprise-y". --g On Tue, 22 May 2007, Karsten Wade wrote: > Please help us get these completed: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > Um ... by tomorrow. Seriously. Or there won't be any time at all for > Ambassadors et al to write up their local version. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements#Schedule > > - Karsten > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue May 22 17:56:02 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:56:02 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing Press Release in English Message-ID: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> RE: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases We *really* need Press Release in English. Any volunteer? Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From webpath at fedoraproject.org Tue May 22 16:58:04 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:58:04 +0000 Subject: Fedora 7 at Respins.org Message-ID: <4653211C.5030307@fedoraproject.org> On May 12, I went to a BarCamp at RIT [1] and Saw a presentation on F7 by Luke Macken. That reminded me of how cool the Re-spin feature on 7 is. My hope is that we can encourage the community to get creative with Fedora by giving them an outlet for their work. To that end, Webpath Technologies has created http://respins.org My hope is that we can encourage the community to get creative with Fedora by giving them an outlet for their work. The general thought is if somene is only goofing around, there's no reason to set up downloads or torrents for the ISO. But if we can created a clearing house, it could bring Fedora to a new level. So it's not just one guy goofing around but a lot of people working and sharing their "ideal" Fedora Since this is an effort of Webpath Technologies and On-Disk.com, the gathered re-spun ISOs will be listed in the same way Fedora is now - With a sponsorship built in. Order F7 - send a sponsorship. Order F7RS - Send a sponsorship. Features of the Re-Spins.org website: Users can submit respins they have made and make them available to the general public via Respins.org to be distributed on On-Disk.com, where every remaster shipped helps spread Fedora Far and wide via Sponsored Media. Not only can they submit respins/remasters, but they can also: * Create informative homepages for each respin right on the Respins.org Website. * Have full use of the Respins.org forums to answer any questions that users might have. * Allow others to private message them or contact them via email. * Contact others, through the Respins.org community connections and forums, who are also creating Respins for ideas and assistance when problems arise. Please keep in mind that the site is a bit "Fresh" and will need a little spiffing up, and should be in tip-top shape by Thursday's release (that's the plan anyway) I hope you enjoy the site. Karlie [1] http://barcamp.org/BarCampRochester2 From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Wed May 23 00:33:46 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 02:33:46 +0200 Subject: Fedora Marketing Press Release in English In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2007/5/22, Thomas Chung : > > RE: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases > > We *really* need Press Release in English. > Any volunteer? > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Give me a concise list of points to be covered and I'll write sometime nice. In real life, that's my job. :) regards, herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed May 23 00:37:23 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:37:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing Press Release in English In-Reply-To: References: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0705221737q326b7771k7580bc1fda9926de@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/07, Herman Meester wrote: > Give me a concise list of points to be covered and I'll write sometime nice. > In real life, that's my job. :) > > regards, > herman Thank you Herman, It seems we already have a volunteer for the translation. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2007/PressReleases Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From notting at redhat.com Wed May 23 01:08:43 2007 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:08:43 -0400 Subject: Vote for the (probable) name of Fedora 7! Message-ID: <20070523010843.GA28513@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> The board has sent a list of suggested names for Fedora 7 to our legal department, and they have responded with the names that have passed preliminary legal approval. Please vote for your favorite choice at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi The choices are 'Lee', 'Sherman', 'Nothing', 'Cylon', 'Moonshine', 'Siegfried'. You will need to log in with your Fedora account system user/password. Voting will be open until 2007-05-25 00:00:00 UTC. Thanks to Toshio Kuratomi for getting this set up. We apologize for the short voting timeframe - final legal approval can take up to five days, and we'd really like to avoid slipping solely for the name of the release. If there end up being legal issues with the name selected, the Board will decide on the name. (Who knows, could end up being Zod 2: Electric Zod-a-loo). Bill From kwade at redhat.com Tue May 22 19:30:27 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Marketing Press Release in English In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179862227.3439.723.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 10:56 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > RE: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases > > We *really* need Press Release in English. > Any volunteer? Please see separate email about: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints Also, I'm pretty sure we want to avoid writing anything called a "Press Release". This has a specific meaning, format, and process run by a team at Red Hat. It is better for us to provide our formal announcement and various summary pages. Last time we tried to create a "Press Release", and it didn't work out too well. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is the "Press Release", produced by Red Hat's PR department. There is the "Release Announcement." This is *not* translated, it is re-written fresh in each language, using the talking points: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements There is the "Release Summary", which draws from Docs/Beats/OverView, and is pointed to by the Press Release and Release Announcement: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F7ReleaseSummary That's it. So, what are you proposing we write in English and get translated? As there is none of the above that are supposed to be translated .... - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed May 23 19:42:21 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:42:21 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing Press Release in English In-Reply-To: <1179937089.3439.728.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0705221737q326b7771k7580bc1fda9926de@mail.gmail.com> <1179937089.3439.728.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0705231242m363dc35fi93a39547c868e367@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 17:37 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 5/22/07, Herman Meester wrote: > > > Give me a concise list of points to be covered and I'll write sometime nice. > > > In real life, that's my job. :) > > > > > > regards, > > > herman > > > > Thank you Herman, > > It seems we already have a volunteer for the translation. :) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2007/PressReleases > > Sorry, I'm confused what we are discussing here. Hi Karsten, I was referring to the Press Release for LinuxTag[1] and the Press Release for FUDCon Berlin[2] posted by FabianAffolter. Since it's only available in German at the time of posting, I was requesting a volunteer who can translate into English. Sorry for the confusion. Regards, [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2007/PressReleases [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From chasd at silveroaks.com Wed May 23 19:47:08 2007 From: chasd at silveroaks.com (chasd) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:47:08 -0500 Subject: Release announcement talking points In-Reply-To: <20070523160009.17173736DB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070523160009.17173736DB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <891729CE-FDD7-4C98-9AEB-CB1F45858A3A@silveroaks.com> > Big Message #1: REMIX. > Big Message #2: APPLIANCES. > These are essentially the same message -- but they hit two different > audiences. The first message is "consumer-y", the second is > "enterprise-y". > > --g I see the first one as "enterprise-y" as well. I my use here, I have two use cases for Fedora, and I have written scripts to customize what packages are installed. I know, kickstart, that's a hill I have yet to climb. It is easier for me to write a shell script right now. However, creating my own "spin" for use within my company has advantages. One such advantage is making a Live CD of our own chosen environment that employees can take home for use there. It is easier to justify the learning time for making our own spin rather than spend the time learning kickstart. I get a lot more from learning how to make my own spin. As far as other points, new versions of Fedora are about relatively small amounts of continual improvement. There is usually one BIG thing each release, there isn't really time for more than one BIG thing. My conservitive side says maybe its a good idea not to have more than one BIG thing each release - too much change can be a bad thing. A base hit each time at bat wins a lot of baseball games, and I think Fedora has had at least a base hit each release since FC3, IMHO. That fits with the goals of Fedora. It isn't about a home run every seven years, it is about making all the pieces a bit better, and what doesn't get caught this release, we'll get it next time. And next time is not that long of a wait. If I was to pick out something really visible to me personally, it would be Firefox 2 and Thunderbird 2. If I look through the "IN" rankings at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/FeatureList I would point out to people in conversations -- More KDE love - if you like KDE and have shied away from Fedora, try it again. Tickless kernel - get more run time for your laptop ( well sort of anyway, FixWakeups is OUT ). Better updates workflow - You thought Fedora had a lot of updates before, you ain't seen nothin' yet ! Charles Dostale From clint at utos.org Thu May 24 12:44:28 2007 From: clint at utos.org (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:44:28 -0600 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <20070523160009.0A02C736DA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070523160009.0A02C736DA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <465588AC.9040100@utos.org> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:52:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Greg Dekoenigsberg > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] release announcement talking points > (HURRY!) > To: fedora-ambassadors-list > Cc: fedora-marketing-list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > Let me take a shot on-list, since we're more likely to see engagement this > way IMHO: > > Big Message #1: REMIX. Fedora is now remixable. Add your own packages, > remove packages you don't like, build your own distro and share it with > the world. Let a thousand distros bloom. > > Big Message #2: APPLIANCES. The new tools for building Fedora make it > *dead simple* for any reasonably experienced Linux admin to create their > own custom distribution. Ideal for ISVs who want to build an appliance > around their own product. Build an RPM, identify the minimal number of > packages needed to make an appliance around that RPM, and then build a > distro and a live image. Easy as pie. > > These are essentially the same message -- but they hit two different > audiences. The first message is "consumer-y", the second is > "enterprise-y". > > --g > > What about these talking points? 1. First Fedora distribution with LiveCD capability. 2. KVM and virtualization capability 3. Extended wireless functionality (iwl3945 for example) 4. Fedora 7 Beauty (referring to the theme) I'm sure there are others, but this is what just crossed my mind. Cheers -- Clint Savage Fedora Ambassador, Utah Utah Open Source Conference September 6-8, 2007 http://www.utosc.org From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu May 24 13:03:22 2007 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:03:22 -0400 Subject: Release announcement talking points -- Anaconda-Kickstart In-Reply-To: <891729CE-FDD7-4C98-9AEB-CB1F45858A3A@silveroaks.com> References: <20070523160009.17173736DB@hormel.redhat.com> <891729CE-FDD7-4C98-9AEB-CB1F45858A3A@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <1180011802.3854.16.camel@portatux64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 14:47 -0500, chasd wrote: > ... > I know, kickstart, that's a hill I have yet to climb. > ... > It is easier to justify the learning time for making our own spin > rather than spend the time learning kickstart. Anaconda-Kickstart is more than just about packaging. It's about complete automation of the entire pre-/post-install process. When you are deploying 100 systems, the network boot/install process with non-interactive install is _mandatory_. It's been almost 7 years since I've _ever_ installed RHL/FC/RHEL from media. 98% of those have been NFS-based installs, the other 2% were copied .isos to a spare drive/partition. Well over half those were TFTP boots, while others were either floppy (pre-2.6), USB dongle or mini-CD (not the whole #1 CD). I.e., if I'm not using a Kickstart, I'm booting the installer with "askmethod" anyway. I mean, the last time I did a full media install, it was Red Hat Linux 7. It's how I've personally (and professionally) installed thousands of RHL/FC/RHEL systems. > If I was to pick out something really visible to me personally, it > would be Firefox 2 and Thunderbird 2. I install them under /usr/local/lib/name-ver and symlink to firefox2/thunderbird2 right now. Works much better and co-exists with the official firefox/thunderbird packages. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From kwade at redhat.com Fri May 25 00:11:51 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:11:51 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing Press Release in English In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0705231242m363dc35fi93a39547c868e367@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0705221056j7c59ce1cy30043e68dcfc9dd4@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0705221737q326b7771k7580bc1fda9926de@mail.gmail.com> <1179937089.3439.728.camel@erato.phig.org> <369bce3b0705231242m363dc35fi93a39547c868e367@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1180051911.3439.890.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > I was referring to the Press Release for LinuxTag[1] and the Press > Release for FUDCon Berlin[2] posted by FabianAffolter. > Since it's only available in German at the time of posting, I was > requesting a volunteer who can translate into English. Ah! That is very different, thanks for the clarification. Are the Ambassadors aware of this nifty little module? cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/press-release It uses XML but a very small subset if tags, defined in its own DTD. This makes it very easy for anyone to use. It also lets us output the press release into POT files for easy translation using the same tools used in the rest of the distro. There is an 'ambassadors' group or something similar, right? We can get Infrastructure to give read-write-create for that group to the 'press-release' module. It contains both the tools for writing press releases and an archive of press releases. Currently, the README is full of warnings to not use the tools. We'll have to check with Paul and Tommy to see if the tools are ready for (beta) usage. 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But if we can > created a clearing house, it could bring Fedora to a new level. > > So it's not just one guy goofing around but a lot of people working and > sharing their "ideal" Fedora > > Since this is an effort of Webpath Technologies and On-Disk.com, the > gathered re-spun ISOs will be listed in the same way Fedora is now - > With a sponsorship built in. Order F7 - send a sponsorship. Order F7RS > - Send a sponsorship. > > Features of the Re-Spins.org website: > Users can submit respins they have made and make them available to the > general public via Respins.org to be distributed on On-Disk.com, where > every remaster shipped helps spread Fedora Far and wide via Sponsored > Media. > > Not only can they submit respins/remasters, but they can also: > * Create informative homepages for each respin right on the Respins.org > Website. > * Have full use of the Respins.org forums to answer any questions that > users might have. > * Allow others to private message them or contact them via email. > * Contact others, through the Respins.org community connections and > forums, who are also creating Respins for ideas and assistance when > problems arise. > > Please keep in mind that the site is a bit "Fresh" and will need a > little spiffing up, and should be in tip-top shape by Thursday's release > (that's the plan anyway) > > I hope you enjoy the site. > Karlie > [1] http://barcamp.org/BarCampRochester2 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > this is cool ... how about adding respin livecd kickstart file submission ?? a repository of kickstarts for respins is also nice .. advanced user can download the kickstart and build it themselves .. -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? mohd.izhar.firdaus at gmail.com ----------------------------------------------- kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Blog: http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus ----------------------------------------------- From webpath at fedoraproject.org Fri May 25 09:28:21 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:28:21 +0000 Subject: Fedora 7 at Respins.org In-Reply-To: References: <4653211C.5030307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4656AC35.20802@fedoraproject.org> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote: > > this is cool ... > > how about adding respin livecd kickstart file submission ?? a > repository of kickstarts for respins is also nice .. advanced user can > download the kickstart and build it themselves .. > > We won't have downloads from the respins.org server (at least not at the start). I can't afford to allocate that much bandwidth and storage space right off the bat. However, any community member can create a blog on the site with info on kickstart files they may have... and the download locations. Heck, if you have something general, that doesn't need a whole write up, just send me the link and I'll add it. But users will get the most out of a link to the Fedora wiki if someone makes a few points about why it's helpful, or something else that can be learned from wiki knowledge. As in, Hey you'll need to do all 5 steps, here's the order and the detailed instructions are at link1, link2, link3, etc. This is what the site is meant to do. Users who create and then talk about their creations all while creating buzz for Fedora and spreading it farther and wider than we have in the past. Wouldn't it be cool if one of the Free Media discs spawned a bunch of Respins that would then create more sponsorships? We will grab anything we can download and add it to the On-Disk.com catalog with the Free Media Sponsorship attached. And given what we already know about percentages, some of the respins will be ordered from On-Disk.com. (others will be directly downloaded) Fedora is cool and all, but once you've already got it, you don't really need another disc. With F7 a whole new world opens up with all sorts of fun things you may want to try... The Live CD/DVD function makes it almost like looking over the shoulder of users around the world to see what their ideal Fedora looks like and then being given permission to use their machine to explore. ~Karlie ps, sorry about my connection at the meeting last night. I'm not quite sure why I kept getting the boot. From kwade at redhat.com Sat May 26 00:03:04 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:03:04 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcement talking points (HURRY!) In-Reply-To: References: <1179849161.3439.709.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1180137785.3439.994.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 11:52 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Let me take a shot on-list, since we're more likely to see engagement this > way IMHO: Thanks; busy week for me, just back on task here. I rolled all the suggestions so far into here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints Sorry! I broke my own rule and cross-posted; I meant to push discussion here only. :) > Big Message #1: REMIX. Fedora is now remixable. Add your own packages, > remove packages you don't like, build your own distro and share it with > the world. Let a thousand distros bloom. > > Big Message #2: APPLIANCES. The new tools for building Fedora make it > *dead simple* for any reasonably experienced Linux admin to create their > own custom distribution. Ideal for ISVs who want to build an appliance > around their own product. Build an RPM, identify the minimal number of > packages needed to make an appliance around that RPM, and then build a > distro and a live image. Easy as pie. > > These are essentially the same message -- but they hit two different > audiences. The first message is "consumer-y", the second is > "enterprise-y". OK, nice long messages. Versus short points. Maybe a mix? BIG PARA ONE BIG PARA TWO LIST OF FIVE ADDITIONAL ITEMS Remember -- the goal here is not to _write_ the announcement, but to define what each group writes in their own language. We can specify some quantity of content per item, if we think it matters. Once we have talking points together, I'll invite anyone who is interested to take it off list and write up the en-US version with me. :) Some things are funnier when developed off-list ... - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Mon May 28 16:21:49 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:21:49 -0300 Subject: IV ESLAM - Free Software Event in the Amazonas State - Brazil Message-ID: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Guys!! The event was a great success. Many people had talked with us after the lecture interested in contributing with the project. We are now organizing the creation of a local representation (Amazon State) of the fedora project. ESLAM IN NUMBERS - - 2 Ambassadors present in the event Rodirgo Padula Cristiano Furtado - - 2 Lectures First DAY 05/25 Lecture About Fedora Project (Great success!!) 300 persons present in the LECTURE ROOM Second DAY 05/26 Lecture About Fedora - Potentialities for the Desktop (Great success!!) 400 persons present in the LECTURE ROOM - - Creation of the Amazonic Fedora Project (in progress) with 13 local colaborators interested. - - Fedora Booth - Flyers. - 400 DVDS FC6. - Fedora 7 LiveCDS. - Beryl and system demonstration with datashow. - 1 PC (LCD 17") with Fedora 7 installed. - 1 Laptop with fedora core 6 Installed - Install Fest (instalation and configuration - FC6 e F7). Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGWwGcPg3HAC1vlg4RAiAeAJ45Z7YlIxWVDBCu/UhZFH7/5CO/hACfXJu4 ItTk4EyQBOM47OMhtznpnU0= =qq/x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora.lin at gmail.com Mon May 28 17:13:50 2007 From: fedora.lin at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Lin) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:13:50 -0300 Subject: IV ESLAM - Free Software Event in the Amazonas State - Brazil In-Reply-To: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> References: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: Congratulations. 2007/5/28, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Guys!! > > The event was a great success. Many people had talked with us after the > lecture interested in contributing with the project. > > We are now organizing the creation of a local representation (Amazon > State) of the fedora project. > > > ESLAM IN NUMBERS > > - - 2 Ambassadors present in the event > Rodirgo Padula > Cristiano Furtado > > - - 2 Lectures > > First DAY > 05/25 Lecture About Fedora Project (Great success!!) 300 persons > present in the LECTURE ROOM > > Second DAY > 05/26 Lecture About Fedora - Potentialities for the Desktop (Great > success!!) 400 persons present in the LECTURE ROOM > > - - Creation of the Amazonic Fedora Project (in progress) with 13 local > colaborators interested. > > - - Fedora Booth > - Flyers. > - 400 DVDS FC6. > - Fedora 7 LiveCDS. > - Beryl and system demonstration with datashow. > - 1 PC (LCD 17") with Fedora 7 installed. > - 1 Laptop with fedora core 6 Installed > - Install Fest (instalation and configuration - FC6 e F7). > > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > www.projetofedora.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGWwGcPg3HAC1vlg4RAiAeAJ45Z7YlIxWVDBCu/UhZFH7/5CO/hACfXJu4 > ItTk4EyQBOM47OMhtznpnU0= > =qq/x > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Juan Carlos Lin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon May 28 19:12:31 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:12:31 -0700 Subject: IV ESLAM - Free Software Event in the Amazonas State - Brazil In-Reply-To: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> References: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0705281212u4dbfc22emfcab395e26b88371@mail.gmail.com> On 5/28/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Guys!! > > The event was a great success. Many people had talked with us after the > lecture interested in contributing with the project. > > We are now organizing the creation of a local representation (Amazon > State) of the fedora project. > > > ESLAM IN NUMBERS > > - - 2 Ambassadors present in the event > Rodirgo Padula > Cristiano Furtado > > - - 2 Lectures > > First DAY > 05/25 Lecture About Fedora Project (Great success!!) 300 persons > present in the LECTURE ROOM > > Second DAY > 05/26 Lecture About Fedora - Potentialities for the Desktop (Great > success!!) 400 persons present in the LECTURE ROOM > > - - Creation of the Amazonic Fedora Project (in progress) with 13 local > colaborators interested. > > - - Fedora Booth > - Flyers. > - 400 DVDS FC6. > - Fedora 7 LiveCDS. > - Beryl and system demonstration with datashow. > - 1 PC (LCD 17") with Fedora 7 installed. > - 1 Laptop with fedora core 6 Installed > - Install Fest (instalation and configuration - FC6 e F7). > > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Thank you Rodrigo! I'll submit your report to FWN. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue May 29 02:20:06 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:20:06 -0300 Subject: IV ESLAM - Free Software Event in the Amazonas State - Brazil In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0705281212u4dbfc22emfcab395e26b88371@mail.gmail.com> References: <465B019D.8080507@projetofedora.org> <369bce3b0705281212u4dbfc22emfcab395e26b88371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465B8DD6.5070903@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Some pictures from IV ESLAM - MANAUS (Lectures, Booth and others) http://projetofedora.org/album/11 Thomas Chung escreveu: > On 5/28/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello Guys!! >> >> The event was a great success. Many people had talked with us after the >> lecture interested in contributing with the project. >> >> We are now organizing the creation of a local representation (Amazon >> State) of the fedora project. >> >> >> ESLAM IN NUMBERS >> >> - - 2 Ambassadors present in the event >> Rodirgo Padula >> Cristiano Furtado >> >> - - 2 Lectures >> >> First DAY >> 05/25 Lecture About Fedora Project (Great success!!) 300 persons >> present in the LECTURE ROOM >> >> Second DAY >> 05/26 Lecture About Fedora - Potentialities for the Desktop (Great >> success!!) 400 persons present in the LECTURE ROOM >> >> - - Creation of the Amazonic Fedora Project (in progress) with 13 local >> colaborators interested. >> >> - - Fedora Booth >> - Flyers. >> - 400 DVDS FC6. >> - Fedora 7 LiveCDS. >> - Beryl and system demonstration with datashow. >> - 1 PC (LCD 17") with Fedora 7 installed. >> - 1 Laptop with fedora core 6 Installed >> - Install Fest (instalation and configuration - FC6 e F7). >> >> >> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > > Thank you Rodrigo! > I'll submit your report to FWN. > Regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGW43WPg3HAC1vlg4RAnTEAJ0SlzhC0U4V9i2aZP/gqs1VLWJGPwCZARK5 xYsJJbVtOo6JzeidAI0PyIY= =ekPN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 29 15:37:55 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:07:55 +0530 Subject: Some comments on Fedora 7 Message-ID: <465C48D3.2000004@fedoraproject.org> Hi "Fedora 7, the latest and arguably most ambitious release from the increasingly community-friendly Fedora Project, will hit the download mirrors later this week. With its installable live CDs, merged package repositories and much improved artwork, the new Fedora should prove a major attraction on the 2nd quarter release calendar" http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070528#feature "Fedora 7 comes along with a pretty impressive set of changes - however, the average user will not see most of them... All over all, from the user point of view an evolutionary but very useful step to a new version of Fedora" http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/05/27/fedora-7-moonshine-first-impressions/ http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/fedora-7-around-the-corner/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 29 19:08:35 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:38:35 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project's new website and Linux action show Message-ID: <465C7A33.8040808@fedoraproject.org> Hi Got some props for the new website. http://www.linuxactionshow.com/?p=113 Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Tue May 29 19:13:24 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: release announcements] Message-ID: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> FYI ... Paul and I worked out an idea, I'll be doing a draft tonight. Anyone want to be in the writing party? Send me an email (here or directly), and I'll draft you. You lose the element of surprise and fun, but you help us make it funnier. :) -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Karsten Wade Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com To: fedora-ambassadors-list Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcements Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:11:20 -0700 Finally ready for you to use: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints Use this template to make sure you have all the correct links: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/AnnouncementTemplate When you have your announcement sent, link to it from the Fedora 7 release announcements page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Announcements You can send your announcement out on 31 May as soon as you see the first, formal project announcement sent to fedora-announce-list. In addition to any language/locale specific lists you want to use, please send a copy to fedora-announce-list so we all can see it. Use the f-announce-l URL as the link on Releases/7/Announcements. Note the Red Hat copyright in the template. This is standard for anything covered by the CLA. If you announcement is *not* a contribution to the Fedora Project, note that in the footer and replace the copyright notice with your own. - Karsten, spreading open marketing love -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to reading it, Jon > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Karsten Wade > Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > To: fedora-ambassadors-list > Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcements > Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:11:20 -0700 > > Finally ready for you to use: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > Use this template to make sure you have all the correct links: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/AnnouncementTemplate > > When you have your announcement sent, link to it from the Fedora 7 > release announcements page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Announcements > > You can send your announcement out on 31 May as soon as you see the > first, formal project announcement sent to fedora-announce-list. > > In addition to any language/locale specific lists you want to use, > please send a copy to fedora-announce-list so we all can see it. > > Use the f-announce-l URL as the link on Releases/7/Announcements. > > Note the Red Hat copyright in the template. This is standard for > anything covered by the CLA. If you announcement is *not* a > contribution to the Fedora Project, note that in the footer and replace > the copyright notice with your own. > > - Karsten, spreading open marketing love > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 29 19:27:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:57:24 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: release announcements] In-Reply-To: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <465C7E9C.2050800@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: > FYI ... > > Paul and I worked out an idea, I'll be doing a draft tonight. Anyone > want to be in the writing party? Send me an email (here or directly), > and I'll draft you. You lose the element of surprise and fun, but you > help us make it funnier. :) I would want to be involved. Did we get word from rel eng on the device name and labels notice? Is it really bad to yum upgrade? Rahul From aphukan at redhat.com Tue May 29 19:38:57 2007 From: aphukan at redhat.com (Amitakhya Phukan) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:08:57 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: release announcements] In-Reply-To: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <465C8151.4090804@redhat.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > FYI ... > > Paul and I worked out an idea, I'll be doing a draft tonight. Anyone > want to be in the writing party? Send me an email (here or directly), > and I'll draft you. You lose the element of surprise and fun, but you > help us make it funnier. :) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Karsten Wade > Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > To: fedora-ambassadors-list > Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcements > Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:11:20 -0700 > > Finally ready for you to use: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > Use this template to make sure you have all the correct links: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/AnnouncementTemplate > > When you have your announcement sent, link to it from the Fedora 7 > release announcements page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Announcements > > You can send your announcement out on 31 May as soon as you see the > first, formal project announcement sent to fedora-announce-list. > > In addition to any language/locale specific lists you want to use, > please send a copy to fedora-announce-list so we all can see it. > > Use the f-announce-l URL as the link on Releases/7/Announcements. > > Note the Red Hat copyright in the template. This is standard for > anything covered by the CLA. If you announcement is *not* a > contribution to the Fedora Project, note that in the footer and replace > the copyright notice with your own. > > - Karsten, spreading open marketing love > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > hi! i would like to be involved too :) regards, amit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aphukan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 425 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You lose the element of surprise and fun, but you >> help us make it funnier. :) >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> From: Karsten Wade >> Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list >> Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcements >> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:11:20 -0700 >> >> Finally ready for you to use: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints >> >> Use this template to make sure you have all the correct links: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/AnnouncementTemplate >> >> When you have your announcement sent, link to it from the Fedora 7 >> release announcements page. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Announcements >> >> You can send your announcement out on 31 May as soon as you see the >> first, formal project announcement sent to fedora-announce-list. >> >> In addition to any language/locale specific lists you want to use, >> please send a copy to fedora-announce-list so we all can see it. >> >> Use the f-announce-l URL as the link on Releases/7/Announcements. >> >> Note the Red Hat copyright in the template. This is standard for >> anything covered by the CLA. If you announcement is *not* a >> contribution to the Fedora Project, note that in the footer and replace >> the copyright notice with your own. >> >> - Karsten, spreading open marketing love >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > hi! > i would like to be involved too :) > > regards, > amit. > -- Benjamin Lewis ben.lewis at benl.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://benl.co.uk PGP Key: 0x647E480C "In cases of major discrepancy, it is always reality that got it wrong" -- RFC1118 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ben.lewis.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 144 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm ready for Czech and Slovak. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Karsten Wade > Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > To: fedora-ambassadors-list > Subject: [Ambassadors] release announcements > Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:11:20 -0700 > > Finally ready for you to use: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints > > Use this template to make sure you have all the correct links: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/AnnouncementTemplate > > When you have your announcement sent, link to it from the Fedora 7 > release announcements page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/Announcements > > You can send your announcement out on 31 May as soon as you see the > first, formal project announcement sent to fedora-announce-list. > > In addition to any language/locale specific lists you want to use, > please send a copy to fedora-announce-list so we all can see it. > > Use the f-announce-l URL as the link on Releases/7/Announcements. > > Note the Red Hat copyright in the template. This is standard for > anything covered by the CLA. If you announcement is *not* a > contribution to the Fedora Project, note that in the footer and replace > the copyright notice with your own. > > - Karsten, spreading open marketing love > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Marek Mahut Tel.: +420-532-294-111 (ex. 826-2046) Fedora Ambassador GSM: +420-731-076-674 http://www.fedoraproject.org http://www.jamendo.com ____________________________________________________________________ From kwade at redhat.com Wed May 30 17:06:21 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: release announcements] In-Reply-To: <465C9358.3070607@mahut.sk> References: <1180466004.3439.1234.camel@erato.phig.org> <465C9358.3070607@mahut.sk> Message-ID: <1180544781.5217.60.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 22:55 +0200, Marek Mahut wrote: > Guys, and what about the idea of translation? I'm ready for Czech and > Slovak. There is no translation of the release announcement. What you do is write your own. Use the TalkingPoints to know what to write about: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, the XML-based release notes now carry an admonition on the top of *every page* to refer to the Web-based notes as canonical. There are still a few hours to make sure that the info in the Wiki resolves all the concerns we have about: * Install boot screen changes * hda v sda * etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 31 08:28:07 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 04:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 7 release day Message-ID: There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try to gather all the links together on the wiki. There will be stuff on Digg and Slashdot, I would imagine. Let's keep an eye out for it. Congrats to everyone on the release! See fedora-announce-list for more. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 31 11:59:58 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Max Spevack wrote: > There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try to > gather all the links together on the wiki. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F7 I've got a few things up there already. --Max From clint at utos.org Thu May 31 12:41:36 2007 From: clint at utos.org (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:41:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465EC280.1060609@utos.org> Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2007, Max Spevack wrote: > >> There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try >> to gather all the links together on the wiki. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F7 > > I've got a few things up there already. > > --Max > I am guessing we don't want every blog, Dick and Harry? Just the big ones. Forgive my ignorance, I am still learning my role. Cheers, -- Clint Savage Fedora Ambassador - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClintSavage Utah Open Source Conference September 6-8, 2007 http://www.utosc.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bogo at spisanie.com Thu May 31 12:42:03 2007 From: bogo at spisanie.com (bogo at spisanie.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:42:03 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33049.87.120.230.58.1180615323.squirrel@mail.spisanie.com> > On Thu, 31 May 2007, Max Spevack wrote: > >> There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try to >> gather all the links together on the wiki. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F7 > > I've got a few things up there already. I just add some too. Bogo > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu May 31 14:51:34 2007 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:51:34 -0300 Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: <465EC280.1060609@utos.org> References: <465EC280.1060609@utos.org> Message-ID: <465EE0F6.6050106@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here in Brazil we have spread Fedora 7 in large scale all over the country. Everybody are anxiously waiting to use the new version. I'll divulge news and the subjects about F7 at the most acessed brazilian web sites, covering the F7's new release. Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project www.projetofedora.org Clint Savage escreveu: > Max Spevack wrote: >> On Thu, 31 May 2007, Max Spevack wrote: >> >>> There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try >>> to gather all the links together on the wiki. >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F7 >> >> I've got a few things up there already. >> >> --Max >> > I am guessing we don't want every blog, Dick and Harry? Just the big ones. > > Forgive my ignorance, I am still learning my role. > > Cheers, > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXuD2Pg3HAC1vlg4RArZPAKCVJdFFdUlLZI5FVHcB0tsLWM6nawCgq5H7 rtzLd3X+4SG4M71J9aavnbI= =mS7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vd at paradigma.pt Thu May 31 15:03:57 2007 From: vd at paradigma.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:03:57 +0100 Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465EE3DD.1000207@paradigma.pt> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The site is slow, the mirrors are slow... sweet :) //VD On 05/31/2007 09:28 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > There will be lots of press articles today about Fedora 7. Let's try to > gather all the links together on the wiki. > > There will be stuff on Digg and Slashdot, I would imagine. Let's keep > an eye out for it. > > Congrats to everyone on the release! See fedora-announce-list for more. > > --Max > - -- Vitor Domingos Paradigma.pt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFGXuPdzLeQsaqPtNIRCv+qAJdo3TgLTx6CTLVva4o8lwSYhZIqAJ48skD6 2xc1eIqgOPaCJCYyYZpUog== =zEdv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 31 15:15:50 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: <465EE3DD.1000207@paradigma.pt> References: <465EE3DD.1000207@paradigma.pt> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Vitor Domingos wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > The site is slow, the mirrors are slow... sweet :) Slow is a hell of a lot better than dead. :) --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 31 15:52:52 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: <465EC280.1060609@utos.org> References: <465EC280.1060609@utos.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Clint Savage wrote: > I am guessing we don't want every blog, Dick and Harry? Just the big > ones. Yes, that is right. Use some judgement as to what is "press" and what is "some dude writing about fedora" Put up the first, take down the second. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 31 15:54:11 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: <465EE3DD.1000207@paradigma.pt> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> The site is slow, the mirrors are slow... sweet :) > > Slow is a hell of a lot better than dead. :) Yes. Remember FC6 everyone? By this time on that release day, ALL OF REDHAT.COM AND FEDORAPROJECT.ORG HAD CRASHED our infrastructure team deserves MAJOR THANKS and zero criticism. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 31 16:03:16 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: avoid the wiki for a while Message-ID: Wait a few hours before doing any edits of the press page in the wiki. there's enough traffic without us hitting reload on wiki pages again and again. thanks, Max From vd at paradigma.pt Thu May 31 16:08:32 2007 From: vd at paradigma.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:32 +0100 Subject: Fedora 7 release day In-Reply-To: References: <465EE3DD.1000207@paradigma.pt> Message-ID: <465EF300.3050601@paradigma.pt> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 05/31/2007 04:54 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Yes. Remember FC6 everyone? By this time on that release day, ALL OF > REDHAT.COM AND FEDORAPROJECT.ORG HAD CRASHED Cof..cof.. Akamai ? Amazon AWS (the cheaper cousin) :) > our infrastructure team deserves MAJOR THANKS and zero criticism. I'm not criticizing. I'm stating that: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ is 503 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki is responding slow Not many mirrors have the relase - here in Europe is hell to find one that has. And yes, the infraestruture team as well as the other teams deserves all major thanks for what they've achieved with this release. - -- Vitor Domingos Paradigma.pt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXvMAzLeQsaqPtNIRCpJHAJ9hHW9sc1acwR0Y7oUJJBVk+mqHgwCfQhSx OD2UabcrA9op65VI+zhca78= =lZpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----