From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Sep 1 01:44:02 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: Possible Slogans for F8, F9, or F10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D8C3E2.7020305@prodigy.net.mx> The other day I was thinking of the whole marketing campaign from Apple "Think Different", that I thought of a pun to that in regards to Linux in genera, not Fedora in particular, but thought it was funny enough: "Simply Different" From fedora.lin at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 15:18:55 2007 From: fedora.lin at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Lin) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:18:55 -0400 Subject: Laptops designed for Linux: Matt Domsch In-Reply-To: <46D0BD3F.3020708@fedoraproject.org> References: <46D0BD3F.3020708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hi Raul, I am Juan Carlos Lin, Fedora Ambassador for Paraguay I have a Asus W5Fm notebook with built in camera 0x0c45:6253 Microdia WebCam Usb2.0, and search over internet about linux driver for this web cam, and only find out a propietary driver sc9cxxx.ko driver on sourgeforce.net This is an sn9c201/ sn9c202 compatible WebCam, and will like to know if Dell has some WebCam driver that can fit to me, of course, with Fedora 7 Thank you very much Juan Carlos Lin 2007/8/25, Rahul Sundaram : > > Hi > > Matt Domsch, Dell employee and Fedora Board member talks about the > importance of Free kernel drivers in the upstream kernel to the > selection of Dell systems to run Linux amoung other details. Good to > hear more people get the right ideas and spread it along. > > http://www.linuxworld.com/podcasts/linux/2007/081407-linuxcast.html > > "Now that Dell offers Linux as an option on desktops and notebooks, how > does that affect the company's hardware selections? LinuxWorld > Conference and Expo speaker Matt Domsch explains how Dell uses vendors' > free drivers at kernel.org to help pick the hardware that goes into the > next generation of Dell products." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Juan Carlos Lin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 1 15:20:22 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:50:22 +0530 Subject: Laptops designed for Linux: Matt Domsch In-Reply-To: References: <46D0BD3F.3020708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46D98336.5050500@fedoraproject.org> Juan Carlos Lin wrote: > Hi Raul, > > I am Juan Carlos Lin, Fedora Ambassador for Paraguay > > I have a Asus W5Fm notebook with built in camera 0x0c45:6253 Microdia > WebCam Usb2.0, and search over internet about linux driver for this web > cam, and only find out a propietary driver sc9cxxx.ko driver on > sourgeforce.net > > This is an sn9c201/ sn9c202 compatible WebCam, and will like to know if > Dell has some WebCam driver that can fit to me, of course, with Fedora 7 > No idea. Might ask in the Dell linux mailing lists. Rahul From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 22:19:22 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:19:22 +0200 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> Message-ID: <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> El vie, 31-08-2007 a las 17:15 +0200, Giacomo Succi escribi?: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > My name is Alejo Cerrato and I'd like to contribute with the slogan > > what about 'Freedom of Choice' > > Sounds good to me :). > Maybe something like "Fedora. Freedom Of Choice." is a little bit better. > > - -- > Giacomo Succi > Boring to me. Sorry. Daniel > - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > Contacts: > eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 > Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 > J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it > > GPG: 0x52CDCA27 > GPG Server: http://sks.keyserver.penguin.de > - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFG2DCKUda2pFLNyicRApQ6AJ9t7KpcphStG1RV5OwIyR64y6vvYwCgmt6G > 0TymhkmNmRnvFjovo/0vBqw= > =Oaln > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Cerchi un?auto usata, vuoi vendere il camper o il cellulare? Prova Email.it Annunci, pochi click per pubblicare e trovare ci? che vuoi! > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6893&d=31-8 > From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 22:50:17 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:50:17 +0200 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: 2007/9/3, M Daniel R Magarzo : > > > > El vie, 31-08-2007 a las 17:15 +0200, Giacomo Succi escribi?: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > My name is Alejo Cerrato and I'd like to contribute with the slogan > > > what about 'Freedom of Choice' > > > > Sounds good to me :). > > Maybe something like "Fedora. Freedom Of Choice." is a little bit > better. > > > > - -- > > Giacomo Succi > > > > > Boring to me. > Sorry. > > Daniel I find that slogan and similar ones a bit boring too, frankly. Freedom is important, but it sounds so worn out in slogans. I wonder why I feel that way. :) How about, "What can Fedora and You Do for Each Other Today?" ;-) regards, herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 22:53:16 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:53:16 +0200 Subject: Possible Slogans for F8, F9, or F10 In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00708311117r6507fa26raf67552a1c4b339f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d88dfb00708311117r6507fa26raf67552a1c4b339f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1188773596.6358.34.camel@Ulises> El vie, 31-08-2007 a las 12:17 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: > Neogeo, a game company of the 80?s used "The future is now". > > Have you tought of something alike - Beautiful is usefull? A short > sentence, with the idea how something becomes beatiful determined by > its usefullness. > > 2007/8/31, Markus McLaughlin : > Infinite Freedom > Delirious, "too-much-wild" sensation, entropy increasing... :-( > Diverse Free Voice Not for a slogan IMO, it's like a cut piece of text, it's too much neive, without charm. > > Your Voice, Your Future It's a slogan indeed, but... "voice", "future"... what are we talking about? Skype? Vote for mayoralty? ... Too much pretentious for an O.S. IMO > > The Future Is Now > Neogeo... or whatever. It could be a million of things. (All them with probably with no much future... Do we want is something for last or something for burn rightly now? I do not want the future in the present, I do have dreams, illusions, ... Uuuu!! Scaring... > Infinite Possibilities > The end of a maths magistral class or demostration. Not an slogan. The face of my maths teacher of x course of Secondary studies. > Logical System, Logical Future > IBM, enterprise world. (...and probably an stupidity with no much sense.) > Voice - Infinity - Future > "deep throat", fear..., frightened; ...and the sensation that who created it, is not able to make an common slogan, so they put that words there instead. > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA > > -- Just my opinion. You asked for opinions. I'm sorry if it sounds somewhat cruel. Daniel From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 23:03:50 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:03:50 +0200 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> El lun, 03-09-2007 a las 00:50 +0200, Herman Meester escribi?: > > 2007/9/3, M Daniel R Magarzo : > > > El vie, 31-08-2007 a las 17:15 +0200, Giacomo Succi escribi?: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > My name is Alejo Cerrato and I'd like to contribute with > the slogan > > > what about 'Freedom of Choice' > > > > Sounds good to me :). > > Maybe something like "Fedora. Freedom Of Choice." is a > little bit better. > > > > - -- > > Giacomo Succi > > > > > Boring to me. > Sorry. > > Daniel > > > I find that slogan and similar ones a bit boring too, frankly. > Freedom is important, but it sounds so worn out in slogans. > I wonder why I feel that way. :) > > > How about, > > "What can Fedora and You > Do for Each Other Today?" > > > ;-) > > regards, > > herman > Sorry, but is that phrase grammatically well built? English is not my native lang. so I'm just asking. I think that should be "What can do Fedora and You for Each Other Today?" instead. I'm not sure, though. My opinion here: toooooooooo long. Nobody would be able to repeat it, lesser in public :-) Sorry Daniel From jnanney at mscoast.com Sun Sep 2 23:19:39 2007 From: jnanney at mscoast.com (Jim Nanney) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:19:39 -0500 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: <46DB450B.9020502@mscoast.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maybe... "Powering the Desktop, Empowering You!" or something similar. I've always liked the "Infinite Freedom" meaning of the Fedora Logo. - --Jim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG20UK3GRPSy3vDJMRAmvSAJ4z7/xDLlUIXruB2faH3pOwRHPR+wCdHU0m +bkbP4WkCveDEFqWfDGJ2WM= =yg7E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 3 03:27:32 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:27:32 +0800 Subject: Jamendo Newsletter: Creative Commons music in the $100 laptop! Message-ID: <369bce3b0709022027waf82903p7f6ac0d6298d43f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.jamendo.com/en/?mode=raw&nickFor=tchung&nlfdb=19&p=newsletter "We are also delighted to announce a partnership with the One Laptop per Child association (OLPC) to bring a selection of Creative Commons music to their $100 laptops. For us, it makes sense to help OLPC because their laptop is an excellent way to extend the music sharing values we defend to the developing countries. Now, it is possible for each member of the jamendo community to create one or more special playlists for OLPC. The playlists should have less than 20 minutes of music and contain only tracks licensed under the CC BY or BY-SA licenses. To label a playlist for the OLPC, add "OLPC" before its name." -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 03:33:33 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:33:33 -0500 Subject: Jamendo Newsletter: Creative Commons music in the $100 laptop! In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0709022027waf82903p7f6ac0d6298d43f@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0709022027waf82903p7f6ac0d6298d43f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: excelent notice !!! +1. ---Hernan Pachas On 9/2/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/?mode=raw&nickFor=tchung&nlfdb=19&p=newsletter > > "We are also delighted to announce a partnership with the One Laptop > per Child association (OLPC) to bring a selection of Creative Commons > music to their $100 laptops. For us, it makes sense to help OLPC > because their laptop is an excellent way to extend the music sharing > values we defend to the developing countries. > > Now, it is possible for each member of the jamendo community to create > one or more special playlists for OLPC. The playlists should have less > than 20 minutes of music and contain only tracks licensed under the CC > BY or BY-SA licenses. To label a playlist for the OLPC, add "OLPC" > before its name." > > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 05:30:22 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:30:22 +0200 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: 2007/9/3, M Daniel R Magarzo : > > > Sorry, but is that phrase grammatically well built? English is not my > native lang. so I'm just asking. It's not mine either. I think it is correct though, syntactically. I think that should be "What can do Fedora and You for Each Other > Today?" instead. I'm not sure, though. That would be less correct, although perfectly understandable. My opinion here: toooooooooo long. Nobody would be able to repeat it, > lesser in public :-) > Sorry No offense at all. :) It's a bit long indeed; however, not excessive imho. When you say, "Nobody would be able to repeat it," there I really disagree. Slogans are just propaganda, that's it. Nobody repeats progaganda, let alone in public. It's only meant for one-way consumption. I mean, are you going to say to people, 'you know, Fedora is really cool, they've even got this great slogan, wanna hear it..?" ? :) regards, herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From giacomo_succi at email.it Mon Sep 3 08:22:00 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:22:00 +0200 Subject: Possible marketing idea. Message-ID: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone. Everyone, unfortunatly, have clear in their mind the M$ stickers like "Designed for XP" and things like that. Anyone plan to create something like that for Fedora? I don't say to produce that stickers in plastic material or things like that (is too expensive I guess) but to produce the idea so, in example during a Fedora advocacy session, we can print this stickers (on a adhesive paper in example) to give is as a gift to the people. Or, in other hand, give them the option to print them by them self. The design will be done by the art team. That is only an idea. I'm waiting for your opinions/critics :). Happy Fedoring :). [The term "Fedoring" is lossy based upon the term "Netbeaning" coined (as far as I know) by a Netbeans (OSS IDE for Java development) Podcast :)] - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: http://sks.keyserver.penguin.de - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG28QoUda2pFLNyicRAn81AKCmBsfTvZpjmKgK7f+GqDbtIP1X9ACg0sqR uDdKEVCSegvrQQOJbo3kgKs= =of/z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Tutto il merchandising dello SPORT in saldo. Compra CALCIO, MOTO GP, FORMULA 1, RUGBY, VOLLEY, TENNIS, CICLISMO. On line adesso. Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6906&d=3-9 From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 08:30:39 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:00:39 +0530 Subject: Possible marketing idea. In-Reply-To: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> References: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> Message-ID: <46DBC62F.9090306@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Giacomo Succi wrote: > Everyone, unfortunatly, have clear in their mind the M$ stickers like > "Designed for XP" and things like that. > Anyone plan to create something like that for Fedora? The "Designed for Windows XP" sticker as far as I know is hard won as is the "Intel Centrino" sticker. While "Designed for Fedora" or even "Powered by Fedora" would be a great idea, let's try and see how we can de-couple the implicit notion that the hardware was "certified on Fedora" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG28YvXQZpNTcrCzMRAmaYAKCuHgYuOapSP/u3aPWB5NmZzvqmAACgltfZ WFVCoRMnU6/nhOIYBFGtccc= =Xiob -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From giacomo_succi at email.it Mon Sep 3 08:38:51 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:38:51 +0200 Subject: Possible marketing idea. In-Reply-To: <46DBC62F.9090306@gmail.com> References: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> <46DBC62F.9090306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DBC81B.3090105@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > The "Designed for Windows XP" sticker as far as I know is hard won > as is the "Intel Centrino" sticker. While "Designed for Fedora" or > even "Powered by Fedora" would be a great idea, let's try and see > how we can de-couple the implicit notion that the hardware was > "certified on Fedora" I think the idea "Certified on Fedora" would be great if some vendor (I think to the smaller one not to the big such Dell or like that) could use it if, and only if, if all the hardware run great on Fedora. For the user "Powered By Fedora" would be enough. Well. It's just an idea. It's a detail of a marketing strategy, but also the details could help for promoting Fedora. Happy Fedoring :). - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: http://sks.keyserver.penguin.de - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG28gbUda2pFLNyicRAq/aAJsHDUG/83WjfZOan8zAtQcbYFUu9wCcClng RfzVFcOJOuFjz/JaXiDaUok= =Be6m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Conto Arancio: 4,50% sino a marzo 2008, aprilo adesso! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6743&d=3-9 From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 09:01:20 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:31:20 +0530 Subject: Possible marketing idea. In-Reply-To: <46DBC81B.3090105@email.it> References: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> <46DBC62F.9090306@gmail.com> <46DBC81B.3090105@email.it> Message-ID: <46DBCD60.7020608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Giacomo Succi wrote: > I think the idea "Certified on Fedora" would be great if some vendor > (I think to the smaller one not to the big such Dell or like that) > could use it if, and only if, if all the hardware run great on Fedora. Hardware Certification is kind of difficult (but not really impossible) for a release cycle like Fedora ie unless one ends up with Fedora LTS :) . I think I heard about a few small vendors giving "Assured to run on Fedora" in India, never did check up though. There was a "Powered By Fedora" sticker that dfong had made, now to figure out where exactly I put it -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG281gXQZpNTcrCzMRAtSwAJ9NB3HHvu4kqhDLq1r1oPt4Hn4xoACdHl3j qzQEbdfbr0F3xVSxpYjhV6g= =tiLk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Sep 3 08:00:39 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:00:39 -0400 Subject: Possible marketing idea. In-Reply-To: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> References: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> Message-ID: <46DBBF27.1040602@prodigy.net.mx> Giacomo Succi escribi?: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone. > Everyone, unfortunatly, have clear in their mind the M$ stickers like > "Designed for XP" and things like that. > Anyone plan to create something like that for Fedora? > I don't say to produce that stickers in plastic material or things > like that (is too expensive I guess) but to produce the idea so, in > example during a Fedora advocacy session, we can print this stickers > (on a adhesive paper in example) to give is as a gift to the people. > Or, in other hand, give them the option to print them by them self. > The design will be done by the art team. > > That is only an idea. > I'm waiting for your opinions/critics :). > > Happy Fedoring :). > > [The term "Fedoring" is lossy based upon the term "Netbeaning" coined > (as far as I know) by a Netbeans (OSS IDE for Java development) > Podcast :)] > With this idea in mind, some time ago (during the days of Fedora Core 5) I created this concept for "stickers"... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Poweredby.png This one is the one I liked the most, but I also created these other "designs", not only for Fedora, but for Linux in general: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Stickers.png - Group of stickers in Spanish and English These are variations of the same idea in Spanish: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Etiqueta-tux-Es-plain.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/etiqueta-tux-Es-black.png The same as above, in English: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Etiqueta-tux-En-plain.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/etiqueta-tux-En-black.png I've got the original Inkscape's SVGs if someone of the Artwork team wants them. From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 09:29:06 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:29:06 +0200 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: <1188811746.9408.44.camel@Ulises> El lun, 03-09-2007 a las 07:30 +0200, Herman Meester escribi?: > > > No offense at all. :) It's a bit long indeed; however, not excessive > imho. > > When you say, "Nobody would be able to repeat it," there I really > disagree. > Slogans are just propaganda, that's it. Nobody repeats progaganda, let > alone in public. > It's only meant for one-way consumption. > I mean, are you going to say to people, 'you know, Fedora is really > cool, they've even got this great slogan, wanna hear it..?" ? > > > :) > > regards, > herman > Maybe you're right. I think that slogans are propaganda indeed, but not "just propaganda". Are "refined propaganda", subtle propaganda. Row propaganda is very easy to make, but it's harder to build a fine slogan, I suppose... Professionally, I do not know anything about either marketing or advertisements. I'm just talking about my impressions. But slogans IMO must be brief, just a few words, and preferably involving some kind of complicity, some wink, some double message, some play on words, etc... to sum up.. some load of something additional that would involve the action, intelligent reaction (... but just the necessary, so everybody should be able to catch it..) of each person in particular (into the possible target audience, that is... here everybody that use computers). A good (brief) slogan with some kind of load of the above said, reaches IMO deeper positions in minds, since has more power of penetration, and is able to settle better since it has needed the (intelligent) complicity of the target person. The yours has somewhat of it indeed, but I continue thinking that is too long. Don't care, just an opinion. :-) Daniel From jovansp at googlemail.com Mon Sep 3 11:59:28 2007 From: jovansp at googlemail.com (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:59:28 +0200 Subject: Linux "Infoday" on Sa, 27.Okt.07 in Hessen (Germany) Message-ID: <1188820768.3315.7.camel@fedora.workstation> Hi, i want to put following email here in the list. I cannot find any related Site in English because it's in German only so it is a "Infoday" locally in Hessen (Germany) i am living here. So the Event is on Sa, 27.Okt.07 it is a Place where we can represent fedora in Hessen Germany but only locally and for this place in germany. I don't know if are any other German Ambassadors interesting in it or the Community or whatever. "Dear Mr. Spasojevic, Let me introduce myself. I am Dean Murphy, an active member of the Linux Users Group Giessen (LUGG) and an organizational member of this years Practical Linux (PL) being held at the FH in Giessen. http://www.practical-linux.de/statisch/index.html As an Ambassador for the Hessen Fedora community, the PL would be honored if the Fedora Community would represent itself at our Linux "Infotag". Naturally, as a community project, the Fedora project is exempt from any stand fees. Please email me if you need further information or wish to express the Fedora community's interest in attending our Infotag as a Exhibitor. Sincerely, Dean" Regards, Jovan S. http://www.fedoraprojrct.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic From roguexz at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 19:16:13 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:46:13 +0530 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <1188811746.9408.44.camel@Ulises> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> <1188811746.9408.44.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: <46DC5D7D.1050303@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Note: Complete Idocity Ahead! Disclaimer: I do not intend to mock the current process, its just that I am feeling rather loony at the moment =D - ----------------------------- How about: 1. Flora, Fauna and My Fedora (with a slight accent ;-) 2. Fully Flee Fedora 3. Fedora -- Making you regret that you paid Billy! 4. Fedora... If you've got it... then flaunt it! hmmm... somehow I am only thinking of making alliterations beginning with the alphabet 'F' ... got to try something different: 5. The grass *is* GREENER outside the window .. come out and embrace Fedora 6. Fedora -- Free for all, All for free :-) 7. Fedora -- Bringing sanctity back to your computer. 8. Fedora -- The No Frills Linux 9. Fedora -- More than just cats and their copies ;) Since I can not get out of alliterations, I am also proposing that we call our mascot Fluffy =D Ok, enough lunacy for now, time to go grab a shot of vodka and become sane! later, Rogue -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG3F19ceS9IQvx51YRAuPjAJwL9HRw2Pliqi8Id5oemKXH2i/vLQCgxcDc eegFaZ8DraGJ4haPFLXxHPI= =cHVU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roguexz at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 19:26:00 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:56:00 +0530 Subject: Possible marketing idea. In-Reply-To: <46DBBF27.1040602@prodigy.net.mx> References: <46DBC428.7000506@email.it> <46DBBF27.1040602@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <46DC5FC8.8040201@gmail.com> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Giacomo Succi escribi?: >> >> Hi everyone. >> Everyone, unfortunatly, have clear in their mind the M$ stickers like >> "Designed for XP" and things like that. >> +1 > With this idea in mind, some time ago (during the days of Fedora Core 5) > I created this concept for "stickers"... > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Poweredby.png > > This one is the one I liked the most, but I also created these other > "designs", not only for Fedora, but for Linux in general: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Stickers.png - Sweet ... I would suggest that we should have a rectangular sticker that can be easily stuck on a laptop cover. The height-wise longish stickers look good on the laptop's wrist-space area. I just think that width-wise longish stickers might look good on the laptop covers. It would be great if we can get these stickers out into the market for the enthusiasts! later, Rogue From gerold at lugd.org Mon Sep 3 19:27:05 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:27:05 +0200 Subject: Linux "Infoday" on Sa, 27.Okt.07 in Hessen (Germany) In-Reply-To: <1188820768.3315.7.camel@fedora.workstation> References: <1188820768.3315.7.camel@fedora.workstation> Message-ID: <1188847625.13403.3.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> All, the request is still pending in the Ambassador-list, requested by Sebastian Vahl (who is also Ambassador) ... If anybody is willing to cover this, please do not hesitate to contact either the Ambassador-List nor somebody out of the list who you think he can assist YOU! Regards Gerold http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#head-1dc555518f9baa5dc72d9930799071db1cae86e2 Am Montag, den 03.09.2007, 13:59 +0200 schrieb Jovan Spasojevic: > Hi, > > i want to put following email here in the list. I cannot find any > related Site in English because it's in German only so it is a "Infoday" > locally in Hessen (Germany) i am living here. So the Event is on Sa, > 27.Okt.07 it is a Place where we can represent fedora in Hessen Germany > but only locally and for this place in germany. > > I don't know if are any other German Ambassadors interesting in it or > the Community or whatever. > > > "Dear Mr. Spasojevic, > > Let me introduce myself. I am Dean Murphy, an active member of the > Linux > Users Group Giessen (LUGG) and an organizational member of this years > Practical Linux (PL) being held at the FH in Giessen. > > http://www.practical-linux.de/statisch/index.html > > As an Ambassador for the Hessen Fedora community, the PL would be > honored if > the Fedora Community would represent itself at our Linux "Infotag". > Naturally, as a community project, the Fedora project is exempt from any > stand fees. > > Please email me if you need further information or wish to express the > Fedora > community's interest in attending our Infotag as a Exhibitor. > > Sincerely, > Dean" > > > > Regards, > > Jovan S. > http://www.fedoraprojrct.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Gerold Am Dienstag, den 04.09.2007, 00:56 +0530 schrieb Rogue: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Giacomo Succi escribi?: > >> > >> Hi everyone. > >> Everyone, unfortunatly, have clear in their mind the M$ stickers like > >> "Designed for XP" and things like that. > >> > > +1 > > > With this idea in mind, some time ago (during the days of Fedora Core 5) > > I created this concept for "stickers"... > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Poweredby.png > > > > This one is the one I liked the most, but I also created these other > > "designs", not only for Fedora, but for Linux in general: > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/thetargos/Various/Stickers.png - > > Sweet ... I would suggest that we should have a rectangular sticker that > can be easily stuck on a laptop cover. The height-wise longish stickers > look good on the laptop's wrist-space area. I just think that width-wise > longish stickers might look good on the laptop covers. > > It would be great if we can get these stickers out into the market for > the enthusiasts! > > > later, > Rogue > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, Sun has promised to provide a Test Compatibility Kit soon so people can see how 'officially Java' this package really is." Rahul From giacomo_succi at email.it Wed Sep 5 12:16:24 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:16:24 +0200 Subject: Others slogan ideas. Message-ID: <46DE9E18.1030101@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Few other ideas: - - Fedora. Your Freedom. - - Fedora. Your Choice Of Freedom. - - Fedora. Increase Your Freedom. They will express the freedom of the OSS. Well. I hope you like them^^. 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Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6743&d=5-9 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 5 15:35:30 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:05:30 +0530 Subject: AMD to open up graphics specs Message-ID: <46DECCC2.7000904@fedoraproject.org> Hi Free software is winning. With the existing excellent support from Intel and the upcoming AMD support, Nvidia will be left as the odd ball. http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ "A quick report from the kernel summit: AMD's representative at the summit has announced that the company has made a decision to enable the development of open source drivers for all of its (ATI) graphics processors from the R500 going forward. There will be specifications available and a skeleton driver as well; a free 2D driver is anticipated by the end of the year. The rest will have to be written; freeing of the existing binary-only driver is not in the cards, and "that is better for everybody." Things are looking good on this front. More in the kernel summit report to come." Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Sep 5 17:33:42 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:33:42 -0400 Subject: AMD to open up graphics specs In-Reply-To: <46DECCC2.7000904@fedoraproject.org> References: <46DECCC2.7000904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46DEE876.1040408@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Hi > > > Free software is winning. With the existing excellent support from > Intel and the upcoming AMD support, Nvidia will be left as the odd ball. > > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ > > "A quick report from the kernel summit: AMD's representative at the > summit has announced that the company has made a decision to enable > the development of open source drivers for all of its (ATI) graphics > processors from the R500 going forward. There will be specifications > available and a skeleton driver as well; a free 2D driver is > anticipated by the end of the year. The rest will have to be written; > freeing of the existing binary-only driver is not in the cards, and > "that is better for everybody." Things are looking good on this front. > More in the kernel summit report to come." > > Rahul > These are EXCELLENT news!!! What would be swell is if they could at least completely open their DRM code to be directly in the kernel and, at their choice, still offer a closed, proprietary X11 driver (if they are restricted to offer some parts of the technology due to third party agreements and NDAs, such as S3TC support and other parts of their technology), but still use the same kernel interface as the Open Source drivers, which means at least part of their drivers will be delivered with each and every kernel update!... AMD at last is coming along and "doing the right thing". I'd wish they could open up the entirety of the drivers, but I know that's not very likely due to the amount of technology licensed from third parties, but at least they could open up most of it. From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 6 12:51:20 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:51:20 +0200 Subject: French ministry goes opensource Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709060551y1a7b54f5x7d48d880f9524ec1@mail.gmail.com> Hello there: http://www.cbronline.com//article_news.asp?guid=C4720D47-3D4E-4160-80A4-DEA0529B0A2F "More than 3,000 servers - which represent 80 to 120 servers per local education authority - now operate on Linux, with 80% of them running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux," said Michel Affre, IT systems manager at the French Ministry for Education. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 6 19:20:03 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:20:03 +0200 Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, In any linux event, contributors from various distributions talk about their particular distribution. No one talk about opensource projects for electronic simulation. In fact it can be considered as a minority in the opensource world. It is sad but it is the truth. However I want to push (with your help) these projects forward in terms of marketing and distribution. For the moment, Fedora is the Leader in terms of distribution of opensource electronic CADs. (thanks to various fedora contributors) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraElectronicLab If one is familiar with proprietary electronic CADs he/she will notice that: * open source CADs lacks many features * proprietary electronic CADs companies are changing various languages such as VHDL, verilog implementations and standards in order to protect their property. * 98% of proprietary electronic CADs built and shipped their products under RHEL. Their Installation manuals includes RHEL as well. In other words, RPM distros are well known for electronic simulations. * proprietary electronic CADs are installed on RHEL/fedora or its clones. * Proprietary electronic CADs are expensive and those using them having more that 20 computers running these CADs. Thus at least 20 computers running RPM based distributions. As for the open source projects for electronic simulations, their developers are neither geeks nor full time software developers but electronic engineers and university lecturers. There are very few developers. These days, projects such as gEDA and gnucap are active and paving their way to attract professional designers/engineers. If one will follow gEDA user mailing list, he/she will notice most of them are fedora users. As for their developers are some individuals scattered around the world. They can't not afford to prepare a booth for an event and talk about their product. Thus I'm asking everyone reading this mail, please take some time to think and tell me how can fedora help these projects knowing that more than 60% of their user base is fedora users. I'm proposing during any event that Fedora is present, we could let some individuals (upstream of these electronic simulators) stay at our booth and talk about their product. Possibly if fedora lacks contributors to give speech, we can allocate some time to them. Surely, we give fedora contributors the priority first and use fedora banners at our booth. In the past, in Germany(Chemnitz), we let Centos distribute their flyers at our booth and share good relationships with Centos. Perhaps we can do the same for the minority projects. If everyone agrees, we could propose something like: every fedora ambassador preparing an event decide whether he/she is willing to let upstream to join his/her team at the booth. Things that I think we shouldn't do is: * using fedora money to pay the hotel/voyage of those upstream * print flyers for upstream Many opensource advocates the use of opensource file formats or implementations. 90% of the time, they talk about microsoft office/OOO, mp3/ogg, png ... But everyone forgets the Hardware Description Languages such as VHDL,verilog and SystemC. If one google verilog, he/she will find various verilog from various vendors. Why ? I think you can figure it out by yourself. Fedora talks about innovation. Can Fedora Marketing/ambassadors afford a little innovation in terms of spreading the word about opensource ? I understand that it is a fair new subject for many of you here. I'll try to find time and prepare some notes and OOO presentations of these languages/softwares before F8's release. The developers of active opensource electronic cads (I know of) are * 2 from France: (piklab&alliance) * 1 from Germany/Swiss german, next to Gerold :) (gEDA) * 4 from USA (gEDA & gnucap) Lately, I've been promoting the next "Fedora Electronic Lab" livecd near these upstream. Most of the university lecturers (the developers) said that they will recommend it to their students. Thus we will not only expand the fedora user base, but will also have upstreams do the marketing for fedora. Meanwhile, I'll wait for your suggestions on how we can proceed,... Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 6 21:09:54 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:09:54 +0200 Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709061409ld6b1276kd996f12f508a0898@mail.gmail.com> On 9/6/07, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > As for the open source projects for electronic simulations, their > developers are neither geeks nor full time software developers but > electronic engineers and university lecturers. There are very few > developers. These days, projects such as gEDA and gnucap are active > and paving their way to attract professional designers/engineers. > > If one will follow gEDA user mailing list, he/she will notice most of > them are fedora users. As for their developers are some individuals > scattered around the world. They can't not afford to prepare a booth > for an event and talk about their product. There is an ongoing discussion on the geda-mailing list: "Marketing gEDA - was - Re: Professional PCB help using geda?" http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Sep-2007/msg00103.html Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jovansp at googlemail.com Fri Sep 7 13:02:14 2007 From: jovansp at googlemail.com (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:02:14 +0200 Subject: Linux "Infoday" on Sa, 27.Okt.07 in Hessen (Germany) Message-ID: <1189170134.10849.4.camel@fedora.workstation> I am a little bit confused what the status is. If there any interest in this Event? .However who and whether the entire is to maintain this event. I would like to say to make myself available too for this event. So it would be very nice if anybody can give a feedback about this event. However, Regards jovans http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic From jovansp at googlemail.com Fri Sep 7 13:09:36 2007 From: jovansp at googlemail.com (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:09:36 +0200 Subject: Linux "Infoday" on Sa, 27.Okt.07 in Hessen (Germany) Message-ID: <1189170576.10970.2.camel@fedora.workstation> I have talked with DanielKretschmer too but there are still some question open so i don't know more at this time. Regards, Jovan Spasojevic http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic From f.ugolini at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 10 13:32:21 2007 From: f.ugolini at yahoo.ca (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product Message-ID: <935225.97189.qm@web62109.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I agree completely with your ideas, those ones will give more value to open source. I think, moreover, we have to improve our knowledge base, people don't need to know how much free is fedora (they know it) but what fedora can offer, the pros of this one and, generally, of open source applications. Personally i think that what are you doing is what open source has to do. Each open source project has its value: to show this we have to pay attention on the other projects, promoting those ones. This will give us more value. Regards Francesco ----- Original Message ---- From: Chitlesh GOORAH To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2007 11:09:54 PM Subject: Re: Minority: helping upstream to market their product On 9/6/07, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > As for the open source projects for electronic simulations, their > developers are neither geeks nor full time software developers but > electronic engineers and university lecturers. There are very few > developers. These days, projects such as gEDA and gnucap are active > and paving their way to attract professional designers/engineers. > > If one will follow gEDA user mailing list, he/she will notice most of > them are fedora users. As for their developers are some individuals > scattered around the world. They can't not afford to prepare a booth > for an event and talk about their product. There is an ongoing discussion on the geda-mailing list: "Marketing gEDA - was - Re: Professional PCB help using geda?" http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Sep-2007/msg00103.html Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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And while it's great to see so much enthusiasm for a Linux distro, I feel uneasy about the growing dominance of one sole project, no matter how good, user-friendly or innovative it is." Rahul From paulds at bu.edu Mon Sep 10 16:18:57 2007 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:18:57 -0400 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:12:09PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature This bugs me: "ThinkPads booting into Ubuntu, and not Fedora, might soon be available from the computer stores near you. If that does not make Spevack at least mildly jealous, then I don't know what does." Why do so many people seem to want the distros to be jealous of each other? Ubuntu is doing their thing. Fedora is doing their thing. Those things aren't really the same thing. They each have their niche in the Linux ecosystem, and the successes and contributions of each distro are on the whole good for all the other distros too. If Fedora's user base never grew by a single additional user, but the project continued to make valuable contributions to the Linux community, and continued to push the development of quality open source software forward, then the project would still be a resounding success. Ubuntu's numbers have absolutely nothing to do with Fedora's success. - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 10 16:33:34 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:33:34 +0200 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709100933k27696b07k369f3b0df137e5bb@mail.gmail.com> On 9/10/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature Am I stupid ? This article doesn't talk about any feature introduced by any projects at all. Where's the email of the writer ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 10 16:47:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:10 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0709100933k27696b07k369f3b0df137e5bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0709100933k27696b07k369f3b0df137e5bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E5750E.7070105@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/10/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature > > Am I stupid ? > This article doesn't talk about any feature introduced by any projects at all. My understanding is that it is an attempt to emphasize on the value of popularity. I don't necessary agree with the view point but it is a valid perspective and a common one. > Where's the email of the writer ? ladislav at distrowatch.com Rahul From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 16:59:00 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:29:00 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E5750E.7070105@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0709100933k27696b07k369f3b0df137e5bb@mail.gmail.com> <46E5750E.7070105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46E577D4.4030302@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > My understanding is that it is an attempt to emphasize on the value of > popularity. I don't necessary agree with the view point but it is a > valid perspective and a common one. It is a valid perspective and a common one and since the past 3 months we have been doing this hoop on a regular basis - so, is it worth spending so much time upon ? From what I understand, we plan to "contribute value" irrespective of popular press going ga-ga or lamenting our perceived (?) lack of popularity. Sure we don't get preloaded on Dell/HP boxen, sure we are not part of UMPC, sure we don't seem to be on the lips of every oh-so-cool aspiring user - but we contribute and we value that more. Let's step back - accept that and move on. The alternative is MAD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5XfUXQZpNTcrCzMRAg6zAJsGyCfdk6waObiAhfkHpQ1oRZn3iACgnh+N sgsMrFP5Kr6tOjSkj+XVKqQ= =Acgf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 16:24:05 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:54:05 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <46E56FA5.10407@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Stauffer wrote: > If Fedora's user base never grew by a single additional user, but the > project continued to make valuable contributions to the Linux community, and > continued to push the development of quality open source software forward, > then the project would still be a resounding success. Ubuntu's numbers have > absolutely nothing to do with Fedora's success. Oh Lord !! I love this statement. Well said and encore... :Sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5W+lXQZpNTcrCzMRAv4xAKCZmaMGVGSeteCPWcRAP997HF/izACeKBFE wxREkMjcvyuWhX1TdWzVews= =je9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 19:15:26 2007 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:15:26 +0600 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: Its not about jealousy in between distros. It's about what making Ubuntu different that it reach lot more people than Fedora. Obviously, they have done something good in their distro and with their marketing that they are getting such acceptance. I don't want to see Fedora being a niche distro, I want to see people using it on their desktop. Browsing, emailing, watching movie, listening to songs, playing games etc. Ofcourse, different distros will contribute in different level and I have no doubt Fedora makes significant contribution. But when new people are not coming to Fedora or Fedora is choice of very small amount of user, then I would say that project have some problem. Also, it means that project was successful but not at that moment. Your current success does not stay much long. We always need to do something better to even keep that success level. And from marketing point of view its a disaster that you are getting new client and losing market share. We must be inventive and find new ways to make Fedora reach lot more people. With new people, you get stronger, fresh minds interested in you invest their time and money in you. I hope always remember this and its always what people thinks about matters, how they perceive you. Cheers, Imtiaz Rahi On 9/10/07, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:12:09PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature > > This bugs me: > > "ThinkPads booting into Ubuntu, and not Fedora, might soon be available > from > the computer stores near you. If that does not make Spevack at least > mildly > jealous, then I don't know what does." > > Why do so many people seem to want the distros to be jealous of each > other? > > Ubuntu is doing their thing. Fedora is doing their thing. Those things > aren't really the same thing. They each have their niche in the Linux > ecosystem, and the successes and contributions of each distro are on the > whole good for all the other distros too. > > If Fedora's user base never grew by a single additional user, but the > project continued to make valuable contributions to the Linux community, > and > continued to push the development of quality open source software forward, > then the project would still be a resounding success. Ubuntu's numbers > have > absolutely nothing to do with Fedora's success. > > - Paul > > -- > Paul Stauffer > Manager of Research Computing > Computer Science Department > Boston University > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 21:09:17 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:09:17 +0200 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1189458557.4015.2.camel@Ulises> El lun, 10-09-2007 a las 12:18 -0400, Paul Stauffer escribi?: > This bugs me: > > "ThinkPads booting into Ubuntu, and not Fedora, might soon be available from > the computer stores near you. If that does not make Spevack at least mildly > jealous, then I don't know what does." > > Why do so many people seem to want the distros to be jealous of each other? > > Ubuntu is doing their thing. Fedora is doing their thing. Those things > aren't really the same thing. They each have their niche in the Linux > ecosystem, and the successes and contributions of each distro are on the > whole good for all the other distros too. > > If Fedora's user base never grew by a single additional user, but the > project continued to make valuable contributions to the Linux community, and > continued to push the development of quality open source software forward, > then the project would still be a resounding success. Ubuntu's numbers have > absolutely nothing to do with Fedora's success. > > - Paul > > -- > Paul Stauffer > Manager of Research Computing > Computer Science Department > Boston University :-))) :-))) Clouds, clouds, clouds, ... Daniel From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 21:20:42 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:20:42 +0200 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <20070910161857.GD4530@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1189459242.4015.14.camel@Ulises> El mar, 11-09-2007 a las 01:15 +0600, Imtiaz Rahi escribi?: > Its not about jealousy in between distros. > It's about what making Ubuntu different that it reach lot more people > than Fedora. Obviously, they have done something good in their distro > and with their marketing that they are getting such acceptance. +1 > I don't want to see Fedora being a niche distro, I want to see people > using it on their desktop. > Browsing, emailing, watching movie, listening to songs, playing games > etc. > +1 But I'm afraid that, inside the developers group and old gurus, the current against that is the majority one, if you had some doubts, please have a look at the interesting thread that comes from several days in the main fedora list (users).. This issue isn't treated directly, but is in the background, if you read some comments carefully. > Your current success does not stay much long. We always need to do > something better to even keep that success level. > True > And from marketing point of view its a disaster that you are getting > new client and losing market share. > We must be inventive and find new ways to make Fedora reach lot more > people. 110% agree > With new people, you get stronger, fresh minds interested in you > invest their time and money in you. > I hope always remember this and its always what people thinks about > matters, how they perceive you. > > Cheers, > Imtiaz Rahi > Daniel From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 05:42:11 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:42:11 +0300 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature > > "The first step would be for Spevack (and other distribution project > managers) to admit that Ubuntu has done something right. The second > would be to recognise that popularity isn't "fanboyism." It's all very > nice to say in an interview that "our distribution is the best and that > people will eventually notice." There is one thing about Fedora and its lack of fanboyism: do you realize the fanboy of today is the potential developer or decision maker of tomorrow? This is why I think a distro should not reject but embrace fanboys. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 06:39:17 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:09:17 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicu Buculei wrote: > There is one thing about Fedora and its lack of fanboyism: do you > realize the fanboy of today is the potential developer or decision maker > of tomorrow? > This is why I think a distro should not reject but embrace fanboys. Pertinent point - so what would you be doing to embrace the developers of tomorrow ? :Sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5jgVXQZpNTcrCzMRAnkyAJ9a6A8Px5g2JvlVP65liIPcFZTAGgCeO/OF gcz5yY8Kgtn/SrKxfYF9O3o= =8FVH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 07:14:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:44:10 +0530 Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E64042.2080604@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Thus I'm asking everyone reading this mail, please take some time to > think and tell me how can fedora help these projects knowing that more > than 60% of their user base is fedora users. One of the reasons, we keep pushing maintainer's to send patches upstream and not deviate as much as possible is to maintain better relationship's with upstream developers and to enable end users to send feedback without worrying too much about deviations. Finding and collaborating with upstream projects strategically is going to be very useful. We have done so in a broad level but micro communities are quite useful too. > > Fedora talks about innovation. Can Fedora Marketing/ambassadors afford > a little innovation in terms of spreading the word about opensource ? Spins are a excellent way to highlight a focused improvement in any area. Anything unique can be leveraged nicely. > Lately, I've been promoting the next "Fedora Electronic Lab" livecd > near these upstream. Most of the university lecturers (the developers) > said that they will recommend it to their students. > Thus we will not only expand the fedora user base, but will also have > upstreams do the marketing for fedora. > > Meanwhile, I'll wait for your suggestions on how we can proceed,... Let's say I want to talk about Fedora Electronics Lab to a few people, I wouldn't really know what things to highlight or what kind of questions I could get. Talking points and FAQ could be listed in the wiki and linked from the marketing page so that I can get more clueful on these topics. Make sure you do that somewhere visibly. Rahul From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 07:33:42 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:03:42 +0530 Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E644D6.2040900@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > If one is familiar with proprietary electronic CADs he/she will notice that: [snip] > Thus I'm asking everyone reading this mail, please take some time to > think and tell me how can fedora help these projects knowing that more > than 60% of their user base is fedora users. I would say that the way to make the message be "sticky" is to identify who are the users of the CADs are in relative perspective of being users of the distribution and then have a message segment (points on the wiki / 1 single slide / one video) that can be referenced over and over again. Fedora "helping" the projects you mention is perhaps limited because the primary motive (I am guessing here) is getting the work done, Fedora is an incidental choice. Fedora might be the distribution for them if there's a Fedora Spin which you are working on and there is enough messaging around it so that they see more and more folks around them using it. A good part of acceptance is based on credibility. The more credible and tangible the proposition is the wider and rapid would be the acceptance. - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5kSVXQZpNTcrCzMRAmSHAJ40ZYS+hzOHMJ4GKyRRW52pHePP4wCdFcjU eA5R+hIIBpIuz8dKjpCfvHQ= =r9It -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 08:17:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:55 +0300 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> There is one thing about Fedora and its lack of fanboyism: do you >> realize the fanboy of today is the potential developer or decision maker >> of tomorrow? >> This is why I think a distro should not reject but embrace fanboys. > > Pertinent point - so what would you be doing to embrace the developers > of tomorrow ? And here I think lies the mistake: don't focus on future developers, focus on enthusiastic users (don't dismiss them as 'fanboys'), the large majority will remain users and this is fine, they may deploy Fedora or RHEL in their workplace if they are familiar with it and this is all, other will become (directly or indirectly) contributors: developers, documentation writers, artists etc. A contribution to Fedora can be as small as an addition to a Wikipedia article, a screencast on YouTube, a small how-to posted in an obscure forum or a link on Digg front page - those are the things "fanboys" do and they are useful for the project. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 09:28:31 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:31 +0200 Subject: Minority: helping upstream to market their product In-Reply-To: <46E64042.2080604@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0709061220k67ed27ease8a489440d2211c2@mail.gmail.com> <46E64042.2080604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709110228j1a6361f6vbd8317d9315f726f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/11/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Let's say I want to talk about Fedora Electronics Lab to a few people, I > wouldn't really know what things to highlight or what kind of questions > I could get. Talking points and FAQ could be listed in the wiki and > linked from the marketing page so that I can get more clueful on these > topics. Make sure you do that somewhere visibly. Sure I will. I've started some work last week, http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/fel.odp But it's only 1% ready yet and will be completed before F8's release. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 09:31:06 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:01:06 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicu Buculei wrote: > And here I think lies the mistake: don't focus on future developers, I thought you had written that today's fanboy is tomorrow's potential developer, however leaving that aside - what do you think would be a compelling reason for new users to choose Fedora or existing users (from other distributions) to shift to Fedora ? > focus on enthusiastic users (don't dismiss them as 'fanboys'), the large > majority will remain users and this is fine, they may deploy Fedora or > RHEL in their workplace if they are familiar with it and this is all, > other will become (directly or indirectly) contributors: developers, > documentation writers, artists etc. The Ambassadors normally emphasize the message that "no contribution is too small, even *you* can contribute" - however, as you pointed out this is not getting as much impact as it should have been. Given that we spend inordinate amounts of time going over "Fedora is losing ground ..." threads, there has to be either a truth to it or a perception bias. We have had Max (among others) saying that Fedora's contribution is projected to be more of a torchbearer and not the users per country kind. In short, we might need to look at the definition of popularity when it comes to Fedora. Accepting all that, how do you think we can also push the users/contributors per country count up since that appears to be how various external Linux sites claim to measure popularity ? > A contribution to Fedora can be as small as an addition to a Wikipedia > article, a screencast on YouTube, a small how-to posted in an obscure > forum or a link on Digg front page - those are the things "fanboys" do > and they are useful for the project. ACK - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5mBaXQZpNTcrCzMRAuGWAKDAxsuwAkdBNJ4L1Zkgnn2i30Y3DQCgx8RP oTW7uuRF6apaBw80gaM60gk= =sZXe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Sep 11 09:54:54 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50281.192.54.193.51.1189504494.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 11 septembre 2007 11:31, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay a ?crit : > We have had Max (among others) saying that Fedora's contribution is > projected to be more of a torchbearer and not the users per country > kind. In short, we might need to look at the definition of popularity > when it comes to Fedora. Fedora is a very technically oriented distribution. It makes hard choices which are difficult to convey to users without technical understanding. That means the job of a Fedora ambassador is *harder* than in other distributions. That being said it's no reason to redefine popularity. We've chosen a harder road but will fail as much as any other distribution if we can't grow our userbase, and attract talents in countries which are ignoring Fedora today. IMHO Fedora ambassadors need to coordinate more closely with the distribution technical teams, which communicate in English. That means deputising people to hang on the tech lists, and then figure how to present what the tech people are working on. -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 10:06:24 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:24 +0300 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> And here I think lies the mistake: don't focus on future developers, > > I thought you had written that today's fanboy is tomorrow's potential > developer, however leaving that aside - what do you think would be a Yes, but it should have been "contributor" instead of "developer" > compelling reason for new users to choose Fedora or existing users (from > other distributions) to shift to Fedora ? To put it bluntly, for the most part people are sheep, they go with the herd. Usually a new user will look at the most popular distro and go with it, being afraid to be in the minority (you can argue, using Linux you already are in the minority, but you may not want to be in the smallest minority). Another thing is to increase visibility. All of us should write more about our successes and accomplishments. And we should not avoid competition. How we can expect users to come from other distros when our message is "we don't compete"? Competition is not war or a bad thing, she should be proud to say "we are better than distro X because our advantages are Y and Z" > The Ambassadors normally emphasize the message that "no contribution is > too small, even *you* can contribute" - however, as you pointed out this > is not getting as much impact as it should have been. Given that we > spend inordinate amounts of time going over "Fedora is losing ground > ..." threads, there has to be either a truth to it or a perception bias. We know for a fact the install count for F7 is about 80% compared with FC6, so far we have only these two counted, will be able to see a trend some time after the F8 release when we get more data. > We have had Max (among others) saying that Fedora's contribution is > projected to be more of a torchbearer and not the users per country > kind. In short, we might need to look at the definition of popularity > when it comes to Fedora. Accepting all that, how do you think we can > also push the users/contributors per country count up since that appears > to be how various external Linux sites claim to measure popularity ? The thing is, usually developers follow the users. If the user base is shrinking, then proportionally the number of developers will shrink. Here is an anecdotal example: recently on the Inkscape development mailing list recently was a talk about the date for the next release. The *only* distro that mattered in this talk was Ubuntu and when to release to get in Ubuntu (one or two years ago it was not the same). Why? my guess is: because developers are users too and the majority of Inkscape developers migrated from other distros to Ubuntu. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 10:20:16 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:20:16 +0100 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> In response to this thread, and the question of how best to advertise the good work that Fedora is doing, how about a series of interviews (e-mail/VoiP/whatever) with individual developers who are working on key features planned for Fedora 8? It would be a great way to promote key features of Fedora (why it's better than $distro), the work people are doing to contribute back upstream, and the cool people who make this community so good... We could submit them to Digg/FSDaily/Slashdot and try and get a bit of publicity from them. Thoughts? Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 10:24:51 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:24:51 +0300 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > In response to this thread, and the question of how best to advertise > the good work that Fedora is doing, how about a series of interviews > (e-mail/VoiP/whatever) with individual developers who are working on > key features planned for Fedora 8? It would be a great way to promote > key features of Fedora (why it's better than $distro), the work people > are doing to contribute back upstream, and the cool people who make > this community so good... > > We could submit them to Digg/FSDaily/Slashdot and try and get a bit of > publicity from them. Sure, excellent idea. I think the best format is text or video. It could be a series of weekly interviews starting this week and going until the release day, to build up momentum. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 10:32:16 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:32:16 +0100 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> > Sure, excellent idea. I think the best format is text or video. > It could be a series of weekly interviews starting this week and going > until the release day, to build up momentum. In that case I'd recommend text - e-mail interviews so to speak? Happy to help with this as I've got some experience doing a few for FSM... Jon > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From webpath at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 11:47:19 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:47:19 -0400 Subject: OSS in non tech business at the United Nations Message-ID: <46E68047.1050309@fedoraproject.org> Good morning everyone. I received the email below and I was wondering if any of you know of non-tech businesses using OSS? If so, could you please contact Mr. Eckenrode directly? While this seems to be an Ubuntu related project It could be an opportunity to expand the scope beyond Ubuntu and show the flexibility of OSS. Thanks, Karlie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Enquiry from On-Disk.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathan Eckenrode To: On-Disk.com I am looking for people who are involved in businesses in New York, preferably non IT related businesses who have switched to using Free and Open Source Software. If you know of anyone who fits this description who would be willing to share their experience with the United Nations on Oct 16, would you please facilitate communications between us so that arrangements can be made for this to happen. Much thanks! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 11:48:46 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:18:46 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Sure, excellent idea. I think the best format is text or video. >> It could be a series of weekly interviews starting this week and going >> until the release day, to build up momentum. > > In that case I'd recommend text - e-mail interviews so to speak? Happy > to help with this as I've got some experience doing a few for FSM... > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList. Contact the spec owners for the all the major features and start interviewing them. Some of them like the new system-config-firewall are not on that list but we can get to them slowly. Also see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews for a couple of earlier ones. Use FWN and blogs to spread them. Rahul From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:12:27 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:42:27 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList. Contact the spec > owners for the all the major features and start interviewing them. Some > of them like the new system-config-firewall are not on that list but we > can get to them slowly. Let's focus beyond the developers too towards the i18n and l10n teams and how they think their work makes Fedora "the" OS - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG5oYqXQZpNTcrCzMRAqGrAJ4gtMHz/iHcG7vd12Z/QMFsk6ohtgCgldzF D+lJAVOzo5LHPP8kefc3C9c= =ZTbf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 12:20:32 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:20:32 +0100 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110520y2460043byedb9382ee44bab11@mail.gmail.com> > Let's focus beyond the developers too towards the i18n and l10n teams > and how they think their work makes Fedora "the" OS Cool idea :D Perhaps expand this to docs people etc as well - though I guess we need to be careful not to spread too thinly? Would be good for interviews about features to be accompanied by screenshots/casts demonstrating the feature in use too. Thinking back to time with FSM, interviews never make the most popular articles, but if we could add the twist of "previews" to them it might help... I'm sending e-mails to owners of the first three features on the list now asking if they'd be happy to be involved. Will need some help working through the rest of the list though, if anybody is game? Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 12:17:47 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:47:47 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E62AB3.4020706@nicubunu.ro> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E6876B.3040005@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList. Contact the spec >> owners for the all the major features and start interviewing them. Some >> of them like the new system-config-firewall are not on that list but we >> can get to them slowly. > > Let's focus beyond the developers too towards the i18n and l10n teams > and how they think their work makes Fedora "the" OS It isn't just development. Transifex is one of the features that helps L10N for example but if you are having a series of interviews for Fedora 8 features then most of it is bound to be new development. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 12:18:32 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:48:32 +0530 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709110520y2460043byedb9382ee44bab11@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E63815.1070200@gmail.com> <46E64F33.80602@nicubunu.ro> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> <3263b11b0709110520y2460043byedb9382ee44bab11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E68798.4030700@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I'm sending e-mails to owners of the first three features on the list > now asking if they'd be happy to be involved. Will need some help > working through the rest of the list though, if anybody is game? What sort of help? I am available. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 12:29:27 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:29:27 +0100 Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E68798.4030700@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> <46E6605A.2080508@gmail.com> <46E668A0.5070603@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110320j1eaf30fds42ab2e9c249f80f1@mail.gmail.com> <46E66CF3.90906@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709110332r376e5f80jf3599ea8c6017e14@mail.gmail.com> <46E6809E.3020000@fedoraproject.org> <46E6862B.2030607@gmail.com> <3263b11b0709110520y2460043byedb9382ee44bab11@mail.gmail.com> <46E68798.4030700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110529w6f68b9cdve64f4db422be8f5e@mail.gmail.com> > What sort of help? I am available. Well, if we could divide the list up between a group of us so I didn't have to do all 23+ would be useful :D I'm fairly happy to do this whatever, but I have been pulling back on any long term commitments as I'm on the verge of loosing a lot of time in about 3 weeks; I guess if I get lots of the interviews done in the next few weeks it shouldn't be a problem... Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Sep 11 19:59:13 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Editorial on competition and choice In-Reply-To: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E565D1.3010901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070910#feature > > "The first step would be for Spevack (and other distribution project > managers) to admit that Ubuntu has done something right. The second > would be to recognise that popularity isn't "fanboyism." It's all very > nice to say in an interview that "our distribution is the best and > that people will eventually notice." The uneasy truth is, however, > that people aren't choosing Fedora, Mandriva or openSUSE, they are > choosing Ubuntu. And while it's great to see so much enthusiasm for a > Linux distro, I feel uneasy about the growing dominance of one sole > project, no matter how good, user-friendly or innovative it is." For better or worse: http://spevack.livejournal.com/26654.html --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 12 10:42:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:42:47 +0300 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing Message-ID: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> With the desktop graphics for F8 (the Infinity theme) almost done, probably is the time to start talking about the graphics needed for marketing materials. We at the Art Team have a to-do: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes#head-8008c22393767fe950d2cf6d3a2da20b069ecf73 but it is defined generic as "marketing materials". To jump-start the discuss, I made a few very simple web graphics (probably not polished enough to go to the wiki): http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2007/09/f8-infinity-web-banners-and-buttons.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 13:41:13 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:41:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup Message-ID: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, As I mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm going to try and put together a series of pieces about Fedora 8's features. As far as the plan goes for now, I intend to do e-mail interviews with the developers behind each of the features, and where applicable do a "preview" of it with either screencasts or screenshots. I'm working through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList sending e-mails to the feature owners and asking them if they'd like to take part. So far I've done the first three and they've all agreed. Once they've agreed I'm writing questions and sending them along as a text file for them to fill their answers in. I'm aware as well that it will be good to get in touch with art/trans/docs as well and get their input at some point along the line. Any feed back on this plan? Where will be the best place to put these online - a page on the wiki perhaps? Also, if anyone wants to help me out immediately, the BuildID feature is pretty technical and if I ask the questions I'm going to struggle to make them interesting or relevant! Any takers to write 5/6 questions Re: this feature? Cheers all, Jon From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 13:45:54 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:45:54 -0400 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> Hey Nicu! Nicu Buculei wrote: > With the desktop graphics for F8 (the Infinity theme) almost done, > probably is the time to start talking about the graphics needed for > marketing materials. > > We at the Art Team have a to-do: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes#head-8008c22393767fe950d2cf6d3a2da20b069ecf73 > > but it is defined generic as "marketing materials". > > To jump-start the discuss, I made a few very simple web graphics > (probably not polished enough to go to the wiki): > http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2007/09/f8-infinity-web-banners-and-buttons.html These look AWESOME! Great work! The only thing I would comment on is the banding in the background image (the buttons look fine but it's noticeable in the banners on my monitor)... we could Gimp the bg up a bit to make the gradients smoother? The way I did that for the non-wallpaper artwork was to add some noise using HSV Scatter i think, then using a light gaussian blur. If I have time tonight I'll play with the banner designs a bit. They look great though, just that one technical issue. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 13:58:46 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:58:46 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > As I mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm going to try and put > together a series of pieces about Fedora 8's features. > > As far as the plan goes for now, I intend to do e-mail interviews with > the developers behind each of the features, and where applicable do a > "preview" of it with either screencasts or screenshots. > > I'm working through > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList > > sending e-mails to the feature owners and asking them if they'd like > to take part. So far I've done the first three and they've all agreed. > Once they've agreed I'm writing questions and sending them along as a > text file for them to fill their answers in. I'm aware as well that it > will be good to get in touch with art/trans/docs as well and get their > input at some point along the line. > > Any feed back on this plan? Where will be the best place to put these > online - a page on the wiki perhaps? > > Also, if anyone wants to help me out immediately, the BuildID feature > is pretty technical and if I ask the questions I'm going to struggle > to make them interesting or relevant! Any takers to write 5/6 > questions Re: this feature? Hey thanks for taking this task on - I think it'll be great material to correspond with Fedora 8's release. We are now actually just starting to discuss the design of marketing materials on the Fedora art list. If there's anything we can do to help with the look/feel/graphics/design for your series do let us know! One idea we had was to put together a 'press kit' for F8's release that we could send out to Ambassadors representing Fedora at events, and it seems like your series might fit well into that if you were interested. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 12 14:11:34 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:11:34 +0300 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > These look AWESOME! Great work! Eh, they are pretty basic: only your background and a logo put on top of it :p > The only thing I would comment on is the banding in the background image > (the buttons look fine but it's noticeable in the banners on my > monitor)... we could Gimp the bg up a bit to make the gradients > smoother? The way I did that for the non-wallpaper artwork was to add > some noise using HSV Scatter i think, then using a light gaussian blur. I am fully aware about banding, it was introduced mostly because the PNG are indexed, you know, size matters for web display, you can't have the original PNG with truecolor at 32.6 KB as a banner... maybe I'll try the JPEG format. > If I have time tonight I'll play with the banner designs a bit. They > look great though, just that one technical issue. Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion to get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a concrete list with what graphics are needed. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 14:17:46 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:17:46 -0400 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> These look AWESOME! Great work! > > Eh, they are pretty basic: only your background and a logo put on top of > it :p Sure but they're simple and really meet the point of the new theme. :) > Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion to > get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a > concrete list with what graphics are needed. We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go back through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in this thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the theme. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 12 14:24:42 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:24:42 +0300 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion >> to get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a >> concrete list with what graphics are needed. > > We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go back > through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in this > thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the theme. I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gdk at redhat.com Thu Sep 13 02:40:24 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion to >>> get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a concrete >>> list with what graphics are needed. >> >> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go back >> through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in this >> thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the theme. > > I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. Mo, can you pick the two or three you found best, and we'll just choose? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From duffy at redhat.com Thu Sep 13 04:00:05 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:00:05 -0400 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion >>> to get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a >>> concrete list with what graphics are needed. >> >> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go >> back through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in >> this thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the >> theme. > > I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. Well, let's pick one right now and conclude it. :) Here's the aggregation I promised, I starred the ones I think have the most potential: Slogan Ideas: **-"Fedora, an operating system with a limitless power." - "Freedom; Simplicity; Technology Edge. Fedora. Your operating system." - "Freedom, Simplicity, Collaboration, Ready for the Future. Fedora. Your operating system." - "The future of the operating systems is here. Fedora. My choice." - "Fedora. The operating system I can call 'mine'." - "Fedora: my choice." **- "Fedora: Infinite Boundaries" **- "F8: Unleash your infinite potential" **- "Infinite Potential" - "Fedora, The Open Source Freedom, For open Free Minds." - "Freedom of Choice." - Infinite Freedom -Diverse Free Voice -Your Voice, Your Future -The Future Is Now **-Infinite Possibilities -Logical System, Logical Future -Voice - Infinity - Future -Beautiful is useful Looking through these I'm seeing a bit of a pattern. We could just do two words... adjective + noun. The adjectives could be: - Infinite - Limitless - Boundless - Unlimited The nouns could be: - Power - Potential - Boundaries - Possibilities Let me tell you what I think we should use based on all of this: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." "Possibilities" I think is the best noun. "Power" has too much emphasis on what you can do technically - a "powerful" piece of software is not necessarily an easily to use or well-designed piece of software and because we ship GNOME by default I think "power" is a bit of a clash there. So scratch that. "Boundaries" kind of focuses on the negative - a boundary is a barrier - we want to focus on more the positive, amazing things we do and will continue to accomplish, so scratch "boundaries." "Potential" makes me think of the phrase "never lived up to their potential"... it seems to have a connotation to me about what could have been but wasn't. Possibilities, though, seems future and forward- looking - thinking about good things that will happen. "Boundless" again focuses on a barrier, negative, so scratch that. Same with "Unlimited" and "limitless" it focuses on limitations. "Infinity" is really the only word that doesn't present a negative, and it's also the official word in the official overall slogan of Fedora: "Infinity. Freedom. Voice." That gives it another plus. So! How does: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." sound? ~m From gdk at redhat.com Thu Sep 13 03:53:42 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Message-ID: I like it. Infinite Possibilities. Or: Infinite Possibility. --g On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion to >>>> get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a concrete >>>> list with what graphics are needed. >>> >>> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go back >>> through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in this >>> thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the theme. >> >> I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. > > Well, let's pick one right now and conclude it. :) Here's the aggregation I > promised, I starred the ones I think have the most potential: > > Slogan Ideas: > > **-"Fedora, an operating system with a limitless power." > - "Freedom; Simplicity; Technology Edge. Fedora. Your operating system." > - "Freedom, Simplicity, Collaboration, Ready for the Future. Fedora. Your > operating system." > - "The future of the operating systems is here. Fedora. My choice." > - "Fedora. The operating system I can call 'mine'." > - "Fedora: my choice." > **- "Fedora: Infinite Boundaries" > **- "F8: Unleash your infinite potential" > **- "Infinite Potential" > - "Fedora, The Open Source Freedom, For open Free Minds." > - "Freedom of Choice." > - Infinite Freedom > -Diverse Free Voice > -Your Voice, Your Future > -The Future Is Now > **-Infinite Possibilities > -Logical System, Logical Future > -Voice - Infinity - Future > -Beautiful is useful > > Looking through these I'm seeing a bit of a pattern. We could just do two > words... adjective + noun. > > The adjectives could be: > - Infinite > - Limitless > - Boundless > - Unlimited > > The nouns could be: > - Power > - Potential > - Boundaries > - Possibilities > > Let me tell you what I think we should use based on all of this: > > "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." > > "Possibilities" I think is the best noun. "Power" has too much emphasis on > what you can do technically - a "powerful" piece of software is not > necessarily an easily to use or well-designed piece of software and because > we ship GNOME by default I think "power" is a bit of a clash there. So > scratch that. "Boundaries" kind of focuses on the negative - a boundary is a > barrier - we want to focus on more the positive, amazing things we do and > will continue to accomplish, so scratch "boundaries." "Potential" makes me > think of the phrase "never lived up to their potential"... it seems to have a > connotation to me about what could have been but wasn't. Possibilities, > though, seems future and forward- looking - thinking about good things that > will happen. > > "Boundless" again focuses on a barrier, negative, so scratch that. Same with > "Unlimited" and "limitless" it focuses on limitations. "Infinity" is really > the only word that doesn't present a negative, and it's also the official > word in the official overall slogan of Fedora: "Infinity. Freedom. Voice." > That gives it another plus. > > So! How does: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." sound? > > ~m > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From paulds at bu.edu Thu Sep 13 04:55:29 2007 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:55:29 -0400 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070913045529.GD21170@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 11:53:42PM -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > I like it. Infinite Possibilities. > Or: Infinite Possibility. "Possibilities" is better, IMO. Sounds like more. :) I like this too. Possibilities implies Choice, which was another term that came up several times in the brainstorming, and which jives well with the Freedom angle. It could also be construed to refer to the "remixability" of Fedora, courtesy of Revisor. So it combines a reference to the project's philosophy and a unique cool technical feature of the distro, all in just two words. That's a good slogan. cheers, - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From himam at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 13 08:20:37 2007 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:20:37 +0300 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <20070913045529.GD21170@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> <20070913045529.GD21170@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <59e007ed0709130120w9a2d35eq71772ce8433bbb65@mail.gmail.com> nice and simple ... so, for me it is a +1 : ) HishamAbdelMagid On 9/13/07, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 11:53:42PM -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I like it. Infinite Possibilities. > > Or: Infinite Possibility. > > "Possibilities" is better, IMO. Sounds like more. :) > > I like this too. Possibilities implies Choice, which was another term > that > came up several times in the brainstorming, and which jives well with the > Freedom angle. It could also be construed to refer to the "remixability" > of > Fedora, courtesy of Revisor. So it combines a reference to the project's > philosophy and a unique cool technical feature of the distro, all in just > two words. That's a good slogan. > > cheers, > - Paul > > -- > Paul Stauffer > Manager of Research Computing > Computer Science Department > Boston University > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 13 14:32:48 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:02:48 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hello again, > > I've got the first five or six interviews sent out and I'm starting to > get replies in now :D > > Is there anybody who can give me some advice about where best to put > this on the net? I'm figuring the wiki, but should it be on a specific > section of the wiki or perhaps people think there's somewhere better > for it? > > Hopefully we can start getting these online soon! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews is the link I gave out earlier. If there are not complete yet, mark it as a draft on top or put in your personal wiki space. Rahul From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 17:38:38 2007 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:38:38 -0400 Subject: Infinite Possibilities = Ultimate FREE Resources Message-ID: I am back from vacation and I love the slogan "Infinite Possibilities" for Fedora 8! When I think of that I keep thinking of that VAST image of the Jedi Library from Episode 2, it's like the biggest Library in the world, at least in the Star Wars universe. Libraries has always been the best FREEST resource for expanding your world. I truly think, Fedora 8, 9, or 10 should be targeting Libraries all over the world, since both Fedora and a Library represent infinite possibilities and truly FREE resources to expand your knowledge and world! Don't just show images of horizons, but of libraries of books that encompass so many ideas and thoughts. I keep seeing in my mind a Library of images representing ideas converging into a dark blue horizon, almost like a sunset. You may think that sounds crazy but I love these images appearing in my mind now. So I thought share them here... Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:36:58 2007 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:36:58 -0400 Subject: Thanks from linuxglobe! Message-ID: I wanted to thank Fedora for posting a live cd for PPC of F8 Test 2! I plan to review it for my site and try to convert more regular folks into linux users.... That is one of linuxglobe's main goals! When I purchase my Imac in early November, I will also have on it, VMware''s Fusion so I can install Fedora 8 on my MAC, running alongside Leopard 10.5! :D I will have Fedora 8 hosting my linuxglobe site, writing with OpenOffice Writer, publishing with Scribus, creating short podcasts with Audacity, and doing some artwork with GIMP! Keep on creating GREAT free software, Fedora!!! :D Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 07:50:15 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:50:15 +0300 Subject: GITEX 2007 Presentation Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709140050v33817119gbc4ce9d12cc0dcb1@mail.gmail.com> As requested, I uploaded my GITEX 2007 Presentation, which was quickly done as an exercise in code reuse, in this case, Greg's Linux Asia 2006 slides. Thanks, Greg! I did, however, update it for Fedora 7 and added a few pithy insights of my own. I put in transitions to show off OpenOffice.org Impress. I also think it's important to explain that this was produced completely in OOo Impress on a Fedora 7 system, especially at a commercial ICT exhibition. The intended audience is the open-minded, non-FOSS ICT professional. Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice.org, not explicitly mentioned in the presentation, are two FOSS apps which are an excellent bridge from using a certain proprietary OS to switching to Fedora. I used them as examples in my talk, I think, to good effect. The wiki page link is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations. and the title under the OVERVIEWS section is "All About Fedora (GITEX Edition), John Babich". Best Regards, John Babich Fedora Ambassador From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 08:31:47 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:01:47 +0530 Subject: GITEX 2007 Presentation In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709140050v33817119gbc4ce9d12cc0dcb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0709140050v33817119gbc4ce9d12cc0dcb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EA46F3.9050601@fedoraproject.org> John Babich wrote: > As requested, I uploaded my GITEX 2007 Presentation, which was quickly > done as an exercise in code reuse, in this case, Greg's Linux Asia > 2006 slides. Thanks, Greg! > > I did, however, update it for Fedora 7 and added a few pithy insights > of my own. I put in transitions to show off OpenOffice.org Impress. I > also think it's important to explain that this was produced completely > in OOo Impress on a Fedora 7 system, especially at a commercial ICT > exhibition. Thanks for uploading the presentation. What kind of responses did you get? Rahul From mxcarron at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 09:45:43 2007 From: mxcarron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:45:43 +0200 Subject: Animated fedora logo Message-ID: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> Hi guys Just to let you know what have been done by a french fedora user : 3 animated logos. http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=192754#p192754 Maxime From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 10:50:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:20:53 +0530 Subject: ReviewLinux.Com: Quick Look at the New Fedora Core 8 Message-ID: <46EA678D.40705@fedoraproject.org> Hi A hurriedly written glimpse of Fedora 8 test 2. http://www.reviewlinux.com/index.php?m=show&id=7017 "We decided to have a quick look at the new Fedora Core 8. With its GNOME Desktop we found this distribution easy to install. Check out our short Flash Video about Fedora Core 8!" Rahul From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 13:02:26 2007 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:02:26 -0500 Subject: Animated fedora logo In-Reply-To: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> References: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> Message-ID: +1 On 9/14/07, Maxime Carron wrote: > > > Hi guys > > Just to let you know what have been done by a french fedora user : > 3 animated logos. > http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=192754#p192754 > > Maxime > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 15:56:20 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:56:20 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> I've just put the first completed "feature" on my personal wiki space...would prefer a bit of feedback before doing anything else with it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F8BuildUp/Bluetooth I had some trouble getting the attachment uploaded it so I've put it on my own server for now and linked to it. Anybody is welcome to edit (although perhaps not the interview text!), make improvements in layout etc...should hopefully have an interview about Nodoka and Bigboard ready to go later on today/early tomorrow, at which point I'll start trying to get some more put together. Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 15:59:34 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:29:34 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EAAFE6.1080306@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've just put the first completed "feature" on my personal wiki > space...would prefer a bit of feedback before doing anything else with > it. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F8BuildUp/Bluetooth > > I had some trouble getting the attachment uploaded it so I've put it > on my own server for now and linked to it. That's nice. Would you able to do a voice over explaining what's happening? Some info on how to do this is available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 17:04:30 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:04:30 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46EAAFE6.1080306@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> <46EAAFE6.1080306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709141004m5665fe19w70113b8ac0422633@mail.gmail.com> > That's nice. Would you able to do a voice over explaining what's happening? I'll have a crack, but somebody else who has a slightly more "radio" sounding voice might give a better impression - anyone on the list wanting to volunteer for this?! Jon From jorge.izaac at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:58:59 2007 From: jorge.izaac at gmail.com (izaac zavaleta) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:58:59 -0700 Subject: Animated fedora logo In-Reply-To: <11204d710709140745q63b783c2nfd91a2ca9266afed@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> <5bddd8fd0709140619gf7c20a9i3cf31b443b35f9f0@mail.gmail.com> <11204d710709140745q63b783c2nfd91a2ca9266afed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Excellent work, but: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html 2007/9/14, Wael AMMAR : > > Good job +1 > > 2007/9/14, nihed mbarek : > > > > +1 > > > > 2007/9/14, Hernan Pachas : > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > On 9/14/07, Maxime Carron < mxcarron at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > > > Just to let you know what have been done by a french fedora user : > > > > 3 animated logos. > > > > http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=192754#p192754 > > > > > > > > Maxime > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 20:00:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:30:53 +0530 Subject: Animated fedora logo In-Reply-To: References: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> <5bddd8fd0709140619gf7c20a9i3cf31b443b35f9f0@mail.gmail.com> <11204d710709140745q63b783c2nfd91a2ca9266afed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EAE875.3080303@fedoraproject.org> izaac zavaleta wrote: > Excellent work, but: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html That page is clearly outdated. You should inform GNU of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF "The US LZW patent expired on June 20, 2003. The counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expired on June 18, 2004, the Japanese counterpart patents expired on June 20, 2004 and the counterpart Canadian patent expired on July 7, 2004.[16] Consequently, while Unisys has further patents and patent applications relating to improvements to the LZW technique,[16] the GIF format may now be used freely" Rahul From mattdm at mattdm.org Fri Sep 14 20:28:55 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:28:55 -0400 Subject: Animated fedora logo In-Reply-To: <46EAE875.3080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <4d18a5954b453c9de4e6635ea5017b50@localhost> <5bddd8fd0709140619gf7c20a9i3cf31b443b35f9f0@mail.gmail.com> <11204d710709140745q63b783c2nfd91a2ca9266afed@mail.gmail.com> <46EAE875.3080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070914202855.GA5929@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 01:30:53AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > izaac zavaleta wrote: > >Excellent work, but: > >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html > That page is clearly outdated. You should inform GNU of this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF Err, yeah, I think they're aware, given that it starts with: While this story is a historical illustration of the danger of software patents, these particular patents are now no longer a concern (see footnote below). For details of our website policies regarding GIFs, see our web guidelines. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Sep 15 07:13:25 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:13:25 +0800 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c7f767$e9bba730$bd32f590$@id.au> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Roberts Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 11:56 PM To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Fedora 8 Buildup I've just put the first completed "feature" on my personal wiki space...would prefer a bit of feedback before doing anything else with it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F8BuildUp/Bluetooth I had some trouble getting the attachment uploaded it so I've put it on my own server for now and linked to it. Anybody is welcome to edit (although perhaps not the interview text!), make improvements in layout etc...should hopefully have an interview about Nodoka and Bigboard ready to go later on today/early tomorrow, at which point I'll start trying to get some more put together. Best wishes, Jon Very nicely done I like it. Explains a lot of things to me because I have Bluetooth as well. I do have to say I was sceptical originally when this idea was floated. Now that I'm seeing the results I'm inclined to say I was wrong and this is a brilliant idea. Keep up the good work. :) Cheers, Marc From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 15 07:23:42 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:23:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <002601c7f767$e9bba730$bd32f590$@id.au> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> <002601c7f767$e9bba730$bd32f590$@id.au> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709150023o1408fbe3u14dd7dc950c9f49d@mail.gmail.com> > Very nicely done I like it. Explains a lot of things to me because I have > Bluetooth as well. I do have to say I was sceptical originally when this > idea was floated. Now that I'm seeing the results I'm inclined to say I was > wrong and this is a brilliant idea. Keep up the good work. :) Thanks!! Hopefully they'll all be as good...Unfortunately I haven't been able to dub sound as I'm struggling with my mic setup :( Perhpas a bit of CC licensed background music though? Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 15 08:01:57 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:31:57 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709150023o1408fbe3u14dd7dc950c9f49d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709130721o518fb93s674964bf1ba1953b@mail.gmail.com> <46E94A10.5000600@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709140856m641bbb6aw6c2eaa941ceb38f6@mail.gmail.com> <002601c7f767$e9bba730$bd32f590$@id.au> <3263b11b0709150023o1408fbe3u14dd7dc950c9f49d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EB9175.7020106@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Very nicely done I like it. Explains a lot of things to me because I have >> Bluetooth as well. I do have to say I was sceptical originally when this >> idea was floated. Now that I'm seeing the results I'm inclined to say I was >> wrong and this is a brilliant idea. Keep up the good work. :) > > Thanks!! Hopefully they'll all be as good...Unfortunately I haven't > been able to dub sound as I'm struggling with my mic setup :( > > Perhpas a bit of CC licensed background music though? That would work as long as it is not glaring. Btw, your questions should be bold or italic in the interview and not the answers. All bold answers makes it difficult to read. Rahul From gerold at lugd.org Sat Sep 15 10:48:58 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:48:58 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25)] Message-ID: <1189853338.3253.12.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- > Von: Gerold Kassube > An: Fedora-Ambassadors > Betreff: FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) > Datum: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:44:30 +0200 > > Hello Everybody! > > I'm again planing a FAD in November for all European Ambassadors in the > above mentioned timeframe near to the Swiss border in Rheinfelden (next > [low-cost-]airport is Basel; Transfer from Basel-to Rheinfelden will be > organized) > > The topics (at this time) are: > > - Events 2008 > (covering, attention, needs; budget discussions) > - Non profit organisation > (what will we do [next?!]) > - SWAG > (Memebership, Webshop, etc.) > - Discussions & Fun, Fun, Fun, Fun .... > > When you're willing to attend and be part of this FAD, please let me > know asap. > -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 11:18:15 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:48:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Nano Review Message-ID: <46EE6277.5070006@fedoraproject.org> Hi This overall favorable mini review has * Detailed positive comments about the new look and feel especially Nodaka * Rant on spatial nautilus * Some suggestions on improving the look and feel of Pirut and yum search http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/09/fedora-8-test-2-nano-review.html "If you're a died-in-the-wool Fedora user then by all means move to F8 when it's finally released. If you're on some other distribution and contemplating a move off that distribution then you'll need to dig deep to see if Fedora 8 provides a good match of features and capabilities you've come to depend on in your current distribution." Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 11:35:02 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:35:02 +0100 Subject: First interview up Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) I've also submitted it to Digg (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bluetooth_done_right_in_Linux). Would be cool if somebody could tell me how to get it put up at fedoraforum.org, and anywhere else people think it might be a good idea to advertise it? Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 12:19:56 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:49:56 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) > > I've also submitted it to Digg > (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bluetooth_done_right_in_Linux). > > Would be cool if somebody could tell me how to get it put up at > fedoraforum.org, and anywhere else people think it might be a good > idea to advertise it? Excellent. I will post to fedoraforum.org as I am a community manager there. If you are on Planet Fedora (you should be), then blog about it and encourage others to blog too. I had written up a standard procedure long back at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews which you might find useful. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 12:26:32 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:26:32 +0300 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE7278.7090200@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) > > I've also submitted it to Digg > (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bluetooth_done_right_in_Linux). Id possible to add a Digg widget in the wiki page with the interview, so more people will digg it and raise awareness? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 12:28:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:58:53 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46EE7305.1070700@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. >> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) >> >> I've also submitted it to Digg >> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bluetooth_done_right_in_Linux). >> >> Would be cool if somebody could tell me how to get it put up at >> fedoraforum.org, and anywhere else people think it might be a good >> idea to advertise it? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=866063#post866063 Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 12:38:18 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:38:18 +0100 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170538m62bcea68u8b6f897037696915@mail.gmail.com> > Excellent. I will post to fedoraforum.org as I am a community manager > there. If you are on Planet Fedora (you should be), then blog about it > and encourage others to blog too. I'm not on Planet, but tbh I blog about loads of things and the majority of it isn't to Fedora (though a lot of free culture related) related so I'd probably upset a few people if I was with the amount of unrelated stuff that appears! If anybody else wants to blog it for planet that would be awesome! > I had written up a standard procedure > long back at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews which > you might find useful. Looks good, I'm just about to go out but I'll start trying to spread it to these sources soon - LWN have already said they'll link it :D Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 12:34:42 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:04:42 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE7462.5030905@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) > One more thing. You might want to publish more information about the developers including a photograph of them. It makes it more personal than merely technical information. We did before in the previous couple of interviews if you want to check them out. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 12:38:59 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:38:59 +0100 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE7278.7090200@nicubunu.ro> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE7278.7090200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170538u4d2cb27ep55fec6104900260f@mail.gmail.com> > Id possible to add a Digg widget in the wiki page with the interview, so > more people will digg it and raise awareness? Would be cool but I'm not sure the wiki supports this? Feel free to edit the page and add it if it is possible! Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 12:39:20 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:39:20 +0100 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE7305.1070700@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> <46EE7305.1070700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170539n1e2dd3c6q9ba2304802881233@mail.gmail.com> > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=866063#post866063 Thanks :D From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 12:38:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:08:50 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170538m62bcea68u8b6f897037696915@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709170538m62bcea68u8b6f897037696915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE755A.40409@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Excellent. I will post to fedoraforum.org as I am a community manager >> there. If you are on Planet Fedora (you should be), then blog about it >> and encourage others to blog too. > > I'm not on Planet, but tbh I blog about loads of things and the > majority of it isn't to Fedora (though a lot of free culture related) > related so I'd probably upset a few people if I was with the amount of > unrelated stuff that appears! Free culture is a important part of Fedora. We highlight that even in our front page as open content. I don't think all that would be considered unrelated anymore than people blogging about how to date. If you want to exclude that neverthless, you can always use tags. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 13:00:03 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:00:03 +0300 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170538u4d2cb27ep55fec6104900260f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE7278.7090200@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709170538u4d2cb27ep55fec6104900260f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE7A53.7030000@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Is possible to add a Digg widget in the wiki page with the interview, so >> more people will digg it and raise awareness? > > Would be cool but I'm not sure the wiki supports this? Feel free to I am no expert in how Moin work, this will require adding a bit of Javascript - http://digg.com/tools/integrate -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 13:05:48 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:35:48 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE7A53.7030000@nicubunu.ro> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE7278.7090200@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709170538u4d2cb27ep55fec6104900260f@mail.gmail.com> <46EE7A53.7030000@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46EE7BAC.5000806@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> Is possible to add a Digg widget in the wiki page with the interview, so >>> more people will digg it and raise awareness? >> >> Would be cool but I'm not sure the wiki supports this? Feel free to > > I am no expert in how Moin work, this will require adding a bit of > Javascript - http://digg.com/tools/integrate We really a proper CMS and a news site like http://news.fedoraproject.org. I am waiting for Thomas Chung to return back from vacation so that we can set one up and run with it. For now, I have merely adding a link to it. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 13:23:54 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:54 +0100 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE755A.40409@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709170538m62bcea68u8b6f897037696915@mail.gmail.com> <46EE755A.40409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170623p6352831dj50a0d4d0391fe793@mail.gmail.com> > Free culture is a important part of Fedora. We highlight that even in > our front page as open content. I don't think all that would be > considered unrelated anymore than people blogging about how to date. If > you want to exclude that neverthless, you can always use tags. Oh, well feel free to add me or whatever needs doing - http://blog.questionsplease.org Would be nice to be on Planet, though only if you think it's relevant! Plus, I took a look at the other interviews and I like the little developer breakdown bit, so I'll see about adding that. Cheers, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 13:25:13 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:55:13 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170623p6352831dj50a0d4d0391fe793@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE70EC.7080708@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709170538m62bcea68u8b6f897037696915@mail.gmail.com> <46EE755A.40409@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709170623p6352831dj50a0d4d0391fe793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE8039.3020906@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Free culture is a important part of Fedora. We highlight that even in >> our front page as open content. I don't think all that would be >> considered unrelated anymore than people blogging about how to date. If >> you want to exclude that neverthless, you can always use tags. > > Oh, well feel free to add me or whatever needs doing - > http://blog.questionsplease.org > > Would be nice to be on Planet, though only if you think it's relevant! I don't have access to do this myself but see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet Rahul From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:53:32 2007 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:23:32 +0530 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE86DC.3040702@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've just posted the Bluetooth interview to the interviews page. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera) s/Bastian/Bastien ? Wonderful read though - thanks :) :Sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7obcXQZpNTcrCzMRAjPMAJ9d9glVq7kEF1N5eBgsoZY2KOL56gCdHAKK VmEBXzc5nt7OpXCHNuhetIk= =scen -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 14:29:25 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:29:25 +0100 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <46EE86DC.3040702@gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE86DC.3040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170729g5ad66a35qf392dd98edd50af1@mail.gmail.com> > s/Bastian/Bastien ? > > Wonderful read though - thanks :) Fixed...Bastien also pointed this out to me :S Glad you enjoyed it though. Jon p.s. Added picture box etc now. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 14:35:15 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:35:15 +0300 Subject: First interview up In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709170729g5ad66a35qf392dd98edd50af1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709170435y419fa56dla921ab18972ca4be@mail.gmail.com> <46EE86DC.3040702@gmail.com> <3263b11b0709170729g5ad66a35qf392dd98edd50af1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE90A3.2050504@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > p.s. Added picture box etc now. > You should add also "Interviewed by: JonathanRoberts" in the interview page, you deserve the credit (not everybody will go to the interviews index). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 14:41:08 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:41:08 +0100 Subject: First slogan ideas. In-Reply-To: <46DC5D7D.1050303@gmail.com> References: <46D5D446.6040509@email.it> <1188423395.8082.16.camel@shuttle> <3032ee5e0708310731w174f0798u56f4c8ee4f2e096b@mail.gmail.com> <46D8308A.1020709@email.it> <1188771562.6358.1.camel@Ulises> <1188774230.6358.43.camel@Ulises> <1188811746.9408.44.camel@Ulises> <46DC5D7D.1050303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709170741w57c80b96y84adc2d35e7b7010@mail.gmail.com> I just saw this sig on Jesse Keating's e-mail: Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? Could be great as a slogan for Fedora! Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 19:31:49 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:31:49 -0500 Subject: Question about our Brand Message-ID: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> Do we have anything like an official brand book? Could someone answer the following questions (and tell me how we're promoting others to do them?) 1) Should we refer to ourselves as "Fedora" or the "Fedora Project"? 2) When someone asks "What is Fedora" what is our official answer? 3) How do we know our ambassadors are sending a consistent message? Do we even want them to? 4) When someone asks about the Fedora Project's relationship with Red Hat what do we say? 5) When someone asks about Fedora's relationship with RHEL what do we say? I'm sure I could come up with a whole list of questions but you get the idea. I may be missing some history there too as I'm not normally active in marketing (because I have no background/training in it :) -Mike From mattdm at mattdm.org Mon Sep 17 19:45:05 2007 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:45:05 -0400 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070917194505.GA5836@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:31:49PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > 2) When someone asks "What is Fedora" what is our official answer? Apparently, "my t-shirt is!". Um. Sorry. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From jan at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 19:51:22 2007 From: jan at fedoraproject.org (jan birsa) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:51:22 +0200 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <20070917194505.GA5836@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <20070917194505.GA5836@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1833f76a0709171251i305b70ffnd38b5e13270a603c@mail.gmail.com> Fedora is a Linux Distro. :) On 9/17/07, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:31:49PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > 2) When someone asks "What is Fedora" what is our official answer? > > Apparently, "my t-shirt is!". > > Um. > > Sorry. > > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- jan at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Fedora Project is a collection of projects sponsored by Red Hat (http://redhat.com) and developed as a partnership between the open source community and Red Hat engineers. The goal of Fedora is the rapid progress of free and open source software and content. Public forums. Open processes. Rapid innovation. Meritocracy and transparency. All in pursuit of the best operating system and platform that free software (http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html) can provide. > 3) How do we know our ambassadors are sending a consistent message? Do > we even want them to? I think they should - but honestly we have little way of controlling them. > 4) When someone asks about the Fedora Project's relationship with Red > Hat what do we say? While I don't speak for anyone other than myself when I say this - I'd say that RH sponsors Fedora - is heavily involved in development occurring under the Fedora umbrella. > 5) When someone asks about Fedora's relationship with RHEL what do we say? Fedora is heavily linked - I would say Beta version - because the two are really different. But even in officially sanctioned items we acknowledge that Fedora is at least the proving ground for RHEL. > > I'm sure I could come up with a whole list of questions but you get the > idea. I may be missing some history there too as I'm not normally > active in marketing (because I have no background/training in it :) > > -Mike > From paulds at bu.edu Mon Sep 17 20:48:54 2007 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:48:54 -0400 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46EEE4CD.8080106@gnsa.us> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <46EEE4CD.8080106@gnsa.us> Message-ID: <20070917204854.GJ10784@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:34:21PM -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Fedora is heavily linked - I would say Beta version - because the two Argh. Please avoid using the word "beta", or even terms like "proving ground"! Language like this just serves to further the widespread mistaken impression that Fedora only exists as some sort of experimental test subject for RHEL, and encourages the idea that Fedora is not a production-quality distro in its own right. Fedora is the major upstream source for RHEL. As such, it has great value to Red Hat, and so Red Hat supports it. I think that should be the simple summary of the relationship which any ambassador should be able to explain. - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From david at gnsa.us Mon Sep 17 21:07:14 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:14 -0400 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <20070917204854.GJ10784@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <46EEE4CD.8080106@gnsa.us> <20070917204854.GJ10784@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <46EEEC82.4030906@gnsa.us> Paul Stauffer wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:34:21PM -0400, David Nalley wrote: >> Fedora is heavily linked - I would say Beta version - because the two > > Argh. Please avoid using the word "beta", or even terms like "proving > ground"! Quite right, I intended to say "wouldn't". That is what I get for typing while distracted. > > Language like this just serves to further the widespread mistaken impression > that Fedora only exists as some sort of experimental test subject for RHEL, > and encourages the idea that Fedora is not a production-quality distro in > its own right. > > Fedora is the major upstream source for RHEL. As such, it has great value > to Red Hat, and so Red Hat supports it. I think that should be the simple > summary of the relationship which any ambassador should be able to explain. > > - Paul > From simon at simline.de Mon Sep 17 21:24:41 2007 From: simon at simline.de (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:24:41 +0200 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> Am Montag, 17. September 2007 21:31:49 schrieb Mike McGrath: > Do we have anything like an official brand book? > I'm sure I could come up with a whole list of questions but you get the > idea. I may be missing some history there too as I'm not normally > active in marketing (because I have no background/training in it :) > > -Mike Hi Mike some usefull links http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AnswerQuestions http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints CU -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 18 09:26:43 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:56:43 +0530 Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors Message-ID: <46EF99D3.7020901@fedoraproject.org> Hi Just in case you have been living under a rock http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/09/07/amd-releases-open-source-driver-for-new-ati-graphics-processors/ "Graphics drivers are important because they are a critical part of the user experience. The goal of Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux is for all hardware to ?just work? out of the box. Since binary drivers can?t be included in these distributions, support for graphics hardware requires open source graphics drivers" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 18 09:31:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:01:39 +0530 Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors Message-ID: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> Hi Just in case you have been living under a rock, specs as well as drivers have been published now. http://airlied.livejournal.com/50613.html http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/ http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/09/07/amd-releases-open-source-driver-for-new-ati-graphics-processors/ "Graphics drivers are important because they are a critical part of the user experience. The goal of Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux is for all hardware to ?just work? out of the box. Since binary drivers can?t be included in these distributions, support for graphics hardware requires open source graphics drivers" Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Sep 18 13:45:25 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:45:25 +0800 (WST) Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors In-Reply-To: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> References: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49031.192.168.1.1.1190123125.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > Hi > > Just in case you have been living under a rock, specs as well as drivers > have been published now. > > http://airlied.livejournal.com/50613.html > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/ > > http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/09/07/amd-releases-open-source-driver-for-new-ati-graphics-processors/ > > "Graphics drivers are important because they are a critical part of the > user experience. The goal of Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux is for > all hardware to ?just work? out of the box. Since binary drivers can?t > be included in these distributions, support for graphics hardware > requires open source graphics drivers" > > Rahul > There was a mention that Suse was releasing a driver 'shortly' is there any info about whether Redhat/Fedora are contributing or aiding in this development? Would love to read more about it. While it's still early days if there is an improved 2D driver would that get ported/backported to Fedora 7? Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 18 13:49:25 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:19:25 +0530 Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors In-Reply-To: <49031.192.168.1.1.1190123125.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> <49031.192.168.1.1.1190123125.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46EFD765.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> Hi >> >> Just in case you have been living under a rock, specs as well as drivers >> have been published now. >> >> http://airlied.livejournal.com/50613.html >> >> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/ > > There was a mention that Suse was releasing a driver 'shortly' is there > any info about whether Redhat/Fedora are contributing or aiding in this > development? See the link above for the code from Novell. David Airlie who works for Red Hat has a long history of working on drivers for ATI cards so this is likely to be a cross vendor effort. > Would love to read more about it. While it's still early days if there is > an improved 2D driver would that get ported/backported to Fedora 7? That seems unlikely. This is the early stages of a initial code drop. Probably would take a few more months for things to settle down. Rahul From webpath at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 18 17:43:49 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:43:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Free Media for September Message-ID: <46F00E55.4000405@fedoraproject.org> We've filled all 100 requests. A special thank you to all the Ambassadors who went above and beyond the call of duty to fill an extra 22 requests. ~Karlie http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/F7/September From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 21:36:08 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:36:08 +0200 Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors In-Reply-To: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> References: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1190151368.3971.69.camel@Ulises> El mar, 18-09-2007 a las 15:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Hi > > Just in case you have been living under a rock, specs as well as drivers > have been published now. > > http://airlied.livejournal.com/50613.html > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/ > > http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/09/07/amd-releases-open-source-driver-for-new-ati-graphics-processors/ > > "Graphics drivers are important because they are a critical part of the > user experience. The goal of Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux is for > all hardware to ?just work? out of the box. Since binary drivers can?t > be included in these distributions, support for graphics hardware > requires open source graphics drivers" > > Rahul > This complements the above, this is a fact: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeonhdd.html This is another, a short history: I emailed to ATI-AMD Support asking (claiming I'd say..) for a Linux driver (I do not care about "proprietary" issues here..) for the new generation of ATI graphics cards, this was just a few weeks ago. Just some minutes later someone replied saying that I would better go to ask for help to my Linux community. Typical, formal easy reaction as answer. However, we could see that the equivalent Windows driver there was available in its website since the beginning, that is.. the same sad history about Linux drivers known until now.. The funny thing is that when I had to go to the shop in order to buy a new graphics card, the only requisite I had clear, it was that it must be PCX (PCI-express), you know.. :-) nothing to do with frikkies behaviours, it was just that I was forced to get a new motherboard, and consequently some other pieces of new hw like this. Another must was that I shouldn't spend a serious amount of money at all. And finally, that I didn't want to spend my time too much either.. :-) I made a short list of 3-4 models, all them brand ATI, for me acceptable (price, etc..). I chose one. Since I was not conscious that I was buying the latest, but just a common cheap card, maybe one between a million of models...then at home came the surprise.., was there when I realized the issue. It seemed that I had an item of a "new generation" of graphics cards!!! :-)) In Linux, we all know that such a thing MEANS.. PROBLEMS. Therefore, the system has been working with the generic vesa driver at a conservative display resolution, none problem either. Well, now it seems that ATI(-AMD) has improved its reflexes..:-) Their Linux drivers, both i386 and x86_64 platforms, for the RADEON HD2400 series, HD2600 series, and the HD2900 series are currently all them available. The card in question here is a (Sapphire) ATI Radeon 2400PRO PCX, an item (intended) for the masses. About 45 ?. Daniel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 19 04:02:18 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:32:18 +0530 Subject: AMD Releases Open Source Driver For New ATI Graphics Processors In-Reply-To: <1190151368.3971.69.camel@Ulises> References: <46EF9AFB.1020009@fedoraproject.org> <1190151368.3971.69.camel@Ulises> Message-ID: <46F09F4A.8000301@fedoraproject.org> M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > > This complements the above, this is a fact: > > http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeonhdd.html > > This is another, a short history: > > I emailed to ATI-AMD Support asking (claiming I'd say..) for a Linux > driver (I do not care about "proprietary" issues here..) for the new > generation of ATI graphics cards, this was just a few weeks ago. Just > some minutes later someone replied saying that I would better go to ask > for help to my Linux community. Typical, formal easy reaction as answer. > However, we could see that the equivalent Windows driver there was > available in its website since the beginning, that is.. the same sad > history about Linux drivers known until now.. This is what I call organizational reflex. As a organization grows larger change within it tends to take time to propagate from one end to another and quite often have visible conflicts from both inside and outside making it look dysfunctional and even schizophrenic. This is especially true when companies change their strategies sharply either because of changes in business ( Red Hat opening up Red Hat Linux into Fedora), acquisitions (Novell buying into Ximian and SUSE), technology changes (AMD's need to integrate CPU and GPU while not losing Linux support) or change in management (SUN leadership changes leading to a wealth of Free and open source software). In all these changes, there has been a period of challenges. Another potential example, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/07/dell_linux_ubuntu_red_hat_but_where/ Give folks sometime. They might come around .. or they will lose. Rahul From romal at gmx.de Wed Sep 19 07:47:02 2007 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:47:02 +0200 Subject: German LinuxUser Magazine Message-ID: <46F0D3F6.40703@gmx.de> Hi, there is an distribution-review for recycling old PCs (Pentium I class). Fedora Suse Ubuntu Installation with Gnome 3:00h 1:10h 1:45h Minimal Installation 1:50 0:30 0:30 First Update with Gnome 4h 1:10h 0:26h Boot in textmode 1:20m 1:10m 1:10m Boot with Gnome 2:20m 2:10m 2:20m Seems Fedora is the slowest to install in low-memory conditions. The authors states, that although selected in Anaconda the xfce-packages were missing and he had to manually install them afterwards. cu romal From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 19 08:05:17 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:35:17 +0530 Subject: German LinuxUser Magazine In-Reply-To: <46F0D3F6.40703@gmx.de> References: <46F0D3F6.40703@gmx.de> Message-ID: <46F0D83D.5010106@fedoraproject.org> Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > > there is an distribution-review for recycling old PCs (Pentium I class). > > Fedora Suse Ubuntu > > Installation with Gnome 3:00h 1:10h 1:45h > Minimal Installation 1:50 0:30 0:30 > First Update with Gnome 4h 1:10h 0:26h > Boot in textmode 1:20m 1:10m 1:10m > Boot with Gnome 2:20m 2:10m 2:20m > > Seems Fedora is the slowest to install in low-memory conditions. Was it the same amount of packages? A DVD image of Fedora installs way more packages by default than a live CD. A graphical installation on low memory would consume more time than a text mode installation. The first update with GNOME metric also isn't useful without taking into account the number of packages being updated. That leaves us with the boot and login times which are comparable. > The authors states, that although selected in Anaconda the xfce-packages > were missing and he had to manually install them afterwards. XFCE is not available in media so I don't see how he could selected that during installation. Rahul From giacomo_succi at email.it Wed Sep 19 21:16:51 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:16:51 +0200 Subject: First stickers Message-ID: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are welcome^^! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral Happy Fedoring x)! -- Giacomo Succi -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 20 07:04:57 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:04:57 +0300 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> Giacomo Succi wrote: > Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. > > I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are > welcome^^! > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). Being at this, I added a few userbars for web forum signatures. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From eteo at redhat.com Thu Sep 20 07:18:04 2007 From: eteo at redhat.com (Eugene Teo) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:18:04 +0800 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Giacomo Succi wrote: >> Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. >> >> I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are >> welcome^^! >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > > Being at this, I added a few userbars for web forum signatures. Just a thought. Design a sticker that you can paste over the Windows key as well. Some of us did that with a shadow-man sticker, but if there is a Fedora version, that would be great. Also, I have seen some Red Hat stickers that has a black base, with a thin layer of sticker on top of the black base, giving it some sort of a dimension effect to it. Other than these, these designs look great! Eugene From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 20 08:09:20 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:09:20 +0300 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F22AB0.20907@nicubunu.ro> Eugene Teo wrote: > > Just a thought. Design a sticker that you can paste over the Windows key > as well. Some of us did that with a shadow-man sticker, but if there is a It would be useful to know the size/shape of the Windows key in order to put together a base template and after that play with various designs. > Fedora version, that would be great. Also, I have seen some Red Hat stickers > that has a black base, with a thin layer of sticker on top of the black base, > giving it some sort of a dimension effect to it. Those are printed/manufactured on special devices? I designed my stickers inspired a general Linux template (http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2587&page=3k) but following better our logo guidelines. A second step would be a way would be a way to provide access to some quality printed and nicely cut stickers: - an ambassador may want 100 stickers to spread around at an event (how much can cost a pack of 100 stickers?); - someone like me may need one single sticker are the effort is to big for one piece (find adhesive paper, borrow a color printer, etc.) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Sep 20 14:22:18 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:22:18 +0800 Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to Message-ID: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> http://www.howtoforge.com/xen_gui_fedora_7_desktop While the how to is related to marketing in a sense. What I found most surprising was that it was on the front page of Digg. I haven't seen a lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I would post this to the list to just point this out. Seems like Fedora is being significant inroads in the contribution of the tools for Xen. Good work to the devs. Cheers, Marc From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 07:17:01 2007 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:47:01 +0530 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On 9/20/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). I made few prints from your stickers :) http://flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/496621366/ this is one of them on a tee :) Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in http://badvista.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 20 14:37:16 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:37:16 +0300 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46F2859C.2070308@nicubunu.ro> Kushal Das wrote: > On 9/20/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki >> too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > I made few prints from your stickers :) > http://flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/496621366/ this is one of them on a tee :) Yes, I know (and I'm glad), at the time I commented on your flickr page. Speaking of flickr, there is a "fedora" group, anyone is invited to join it - http://flickr.com/groups/fedora/ (of course there are other fedora related groups, like fedora art http://flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ and people interested can join that too, but it was not very active so far) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 20 14:48:14 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:18:14 +0530 Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to In-Reply-To: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46F2882E.403@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > http://www.howtoforge.com/xen_gui_fedora_7_desktop > > While the how to is related to marketing in a sense. What I found most > surprising was that it was on the front page of Digg. I haven't seen a > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > would post this to the list to just point this out. Seems like Fedora > is being significant inroads in the contribution of the tools for Xen. > Good work to the devs. Fedora wiki has a more official howto on virtualization at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora7VirtQuickStart We are absolutely leading the front of virtualization. Pretty much all the other distributions have adopted Fedora's libvirt, virt-manager, virt-factory and family of tools. Fedora 8 will enhance this even further http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureVirtSecurity http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2007/08/fedora-8-virtualization-work-in This and security enhancements are something in which Fedora blows away many mainstream distributions. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2007-September/msg00015.html I expect we will progress rapidly on the providing a good base for custom spins and derivatives too. I have linked many references to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins Rahul From b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 21:34:21 2007 From: b2.mdr.magarzo at gmail.com (M Daniel R Magarzo) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:34:21 +0200 Subject: German LinuxUser Magazine In-Reply-To: <46F0D3F6.40703@gmx.de> References: <46F0D3F6.40703@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1190237661.11249.44.camel@Ulises> El mi?, 19-09-2007 a las 09:47 +0200, Robert M. Albrecht escribi?: > Hi, > > there is an distribution-review for recycling old PCs (Pentium I class). > > Fedora Suse Ubuntu > > Installation with Gnome 3:00h 1:10h 1:45h > Minimal Installation 1:50 0:30 0:30 > First Update with Gnome 4h 1:10h 0:26h > Boot in textmode 1:20m 1:10m 1:10m > Boot with Gnome 2:20m 2:10m 2:20m > > Seems Fedora is the slowest to install in low-memory conditions. > > The authors states, that although selected in Anaconda the xfce-packages > were missing and he had to manually install them afterwards. > > cu romal > 1? - German Magazine --> Everybody know that in Germany, Suse Linux has been, and it is still, very very popular into their Linux communities. 2? - Default Gnome (amount of packages) in Fedora (I'd bet...) has nothing to do with the Default Gnomme in Suse ("exiled" on behalf of KDE, the default desktop). 3? - Curiously they try Suse with Gnome, when actually almost nobody choose that option in Suse. 4? - If they even do fail to mention KDE, I would swear that the research is clearly self-interested, probably for internal consumption. Daniel From alejolucas at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:38:20 2007 From: alejolucas at gmail.com (Alejo Cerrat0) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:38:20 -0400 Subject: First stickers Message-ID: <3032ee5e0709201038j1aa68d0eu6ef5d89e92b6dd82@mail.gmail.com> IMHO the best 2 are the 'Fancy' and in 2nd place the 'Normal' by NicuBuculei the reason for these choices are that the 'Fancy' is the most professional and polished. It may be more expennsive to reproduce, and that's when 'Normal' comes to push. I'd also add 3rd on the list the 'Generic 1' by GiacomoSucci. They are all very nice, though! AlejoCerrato.// On 9/20/07, fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to match the original message. > Today's Topics: > > 1. First stickers (Giacomo Succi) > 2. Re: First stickers (Nicu Buculei) > 3. Re: First stickers (Eugene Teo) > 4. Re: First stickers (Nicu Buculei) > 5. Xen Fedora 7 How to (Marc Wiriadisastra) > 6. Re: First stickers (Kushal Das) > 7. Re: First stickers (Nicu Buculei) > 8. Re: Xen Fedora 7 How to (Rahul Sundaram) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Giacomo Succi > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:16:51 +0200 > Subject: First stickers > Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. > > I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are > welcome^^! > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > Happy Fedoring x)! > > -- > Giacomo Succi > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > Contacts: > eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 > Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 > J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it > Skype: anandir82 > > GPG: 0x52CDCA27 > GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nicu Buculei > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:04:57 +0300 > Subject: Re: First stickers > Giacomo Succi wrote: > > Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. > > > > I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are > > welcome^^! > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > > Being at this, I added a few userbars for web forum signatures. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eugene Teo > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:18:04 +0800 > Subject: Re: First stickers > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Giacomo Succi wrote: > >> Following the suggestion of Mo I've put all my stickers on the Wiki. > >> > >> I hope you like them. Obviously critics/comments/suggestions are > >> welcome^^! > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > > > I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > > too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > > > > Being at this, I added a few userbars for web forum signatures. > > Just a thought. Design a sticker that you can paste over the Windows key > as well. Some of us did that with a shadow-man sticker, but if there is a > Fedora version, that would be great. Also, I have seen some Red Hat stickers > that has a black base, with a thin layer of sticker on top of the black base, > giving it some sort of a dimension effect to it. Other than these, these > designs look great! > > Eugene > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nicu Buculei > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:09:20 +0300 > Subject: Re: First stickers > Eugene Teo wrote: > > > > Just a thought. Design a sticker that you can paste over the Windows key > > as well. Some of us did that with a shadow-man sticker, but if there is a > > It would be useful to know the size/shape of the Windows key in order to > put together a base template and after that play with various designs. > > > Fedora version, that would be great. Also, I have seen some Red Hat stickers > > that has a black base, with a thin layer of sticker on top of the black base, > > giving it some sort of a dimension effect to it. > > Those are printed/manufactured on special devices? > > I designed my stickers inspired a general Linux template > (http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2587&page=3k) but following > better our logo guidelines. > > A second step would be a way would be a way to provide access to some > quality printed and nicely cut stickers: > - an ambassador may want 100 stickers to spread around at an event (how > much can cost a pack of 100 stickers?); > - someone like me may need one single sticker are the effort is to big > for one piece (find adhesive paper, borrow a color printer, etc.) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marc Wiriadisastra > To: Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:22:18 +0800 > Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to > http://www.howtoforge.com/xen_gui_fedora_7_desktop > > While the how to is related to marketing in a sense. What I found most > surprising was that it was on the front page of Digg. I haven't seen a > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > would post this to the list to just point this out. Seems like Fedora > is being significant inroads in the contribution of the tools for Xen. > Good work to the devs. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Kushal Das" > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:47:01 +0530 > Subject: Re: First stickers > On 9/20/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > > too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > I made few prints from your stickers :) > http://flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/496621366/ this is one of them on a tee :) > > > Kushal > -- > http://fedoraproject.org > http://kushaldas.in > http://badvista.org > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nicu Buculei > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:37:16 +0300 > Subject: Re: First stickers > Kushal Das wrote: > > On 9/20/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> I had some of my own stickers laying around, so I put them on the wiki > >> too (also arranged a bit Giacomo's layout, to get it more compact). > > I made few prints from your stickers :) > > http://flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/496621366/ this is one of them on a tee :) > > Yes, I know (and I'm glad), at the time I commented on your flickr page. > > Speaking of flickr, there is a "fedora" group, anyone is invited to join > it - http://flickr.com/groups/fedora/ (of course there are other fedora > related groups, like fedora art http://flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ and > people interested can join that too, but it was not very active so far) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rahul Sundaram > To: marc at mwiriadi.id.au, For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:18:14 +0530 > Subject: Re: Xen Fedora 7 How to > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > http://www.howtoforge.com/xen_gui_fedora_7_desktop > > > > While the how to is related to marketing in a sense. What I found most > > surprising was that it was on the front page of Digg. I haven't seen a > > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > > would post this to the list to just point this out. Seems like Fedora > > is being significant inroads in the contribution of the tools for Xen. > > Good work to the devs. > > Fedora wiki has a more official howto on virtualization at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora7VirtQuickStart > > We are absolutely leading the front of virtualization. Pretty much all > the other distributions have adopted Fedora's libvirt, virt-manager, > virt-factory and family of tools. > > Fedora 8 will enhance this even further > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureVirtSecurity > http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2007/08/fedora-8-virtualization-work-in > > This and security enhancements are something in which Fedora blows away > many mainstream distributions. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2007-September/msg00015.html > > I expect we will progress rapidly on the providing a good base for > custom spins and derivatives too. > > I have linked many references to > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins > > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Sep 20 17:36:38 2007 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:36:38 -0400 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <46F22AB0.20907@nicubunu.ro> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> <46F22AB0.20907@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46F2AFA6.3020808@prodigy.net.mx> Nicu Buculei escribi?: > Those are printed/manufactured on special devices? > > I designed my stickers inspired a general Linux template > (http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2587&page=3k) but following > better our logo guidelines. > > A second step would be a way would be a way to provide access to some > quality printed and nicely cut stickers: > - an ambassador may want 100 stickers to spread around at an event > (how much can cost a pack of 100 stickers?); > - someone like me may need one single sticker are the effort is to big > for one piece (find adhesive paper, borrow a color printer, etc.) > Very nice designs there, Nicu!! With the original SVGs it would be very possible to scale the stickers to an "original" sticker size either directly in Inkscape or in Scribus. From gerold at lugd.org Thu Sep 20 19:27:15 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:27:15 +0200 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <46F2AFA6.3020808@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> <46F22AB0.20907@nicubunu.ro> <46F2AFA6.3020808@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1190316435.4283.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Sorry Guys, ... for bothering you again ... please be aware of the logo guidlines by using the Fedora Logo. Afaik there is trademark on the logo also on the sign himself. So it's also important for all of us to use and live these guidlines ... Just my five cents Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 20.09.2007, 13:36 -0400 schrieb Gian Paolo Mureddu: > Nicu Buculei escribi?: > > Those are printed/manufactured on special devices? > > > > I designed my stickers inspired a general Linux template > > (http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2587&page=3k) but following > > better our logo guidelines. > > > > A second step would be a way would be a way to provide access to some > > quality printed and nicely cut stickers: > > - an ambassador may want 100 stickers to spread around at an event > > (how much can cost a pack of 100 stickers?); > > - someone like me may need one single sticker are the effort is to big > > for one piece (find adhesive paper, borrow a color printer, etc.) > > > Very nice designs there, Nicu!! > > With the original SVGs it would be very possible to scale the stickers > to an "original" sticker size either directly in Inkscape or in Scribus. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 02:57:33 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:57:33 -0500 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> Message-ID: <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> JoergSimon wrote: > Am Montag, 17. September 2007 21:31:49 schrieb Mike McGrath: > >> Do we have anything like an official brand book? >> I'm sure I could come up with a whole list of questions but you get the >> idea. I may be missing some history there too as I'm not normally >> active in marketing (because I have no background/training in it :) >> >> -Mike >> > > > Hi Mike some usefull links > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AnswerQuestions > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints > Some of these are pretty good, I came up with some more questions: When talking officially about "The Fedora Project's" flagship product "Fedora", was our last release "Fedora 7" "Moonshine" "Fedora 7 (Moonshine)" or "Fedora Moonshine" Where can I find a list of official colors we can use? Should we have our web apps match the OS or does the OS change enough from time to time that its just not practical? Do we have any testimonials? Do we have anyone out there selling Fedora business to business. I use the term sales there loosely as there's no compensation out there but aside from the ambassadors, whats the closest thing we have to a sales engineer? How are we marketing / pushing the whole re-spin thing to try to get others to participate? Has anyone given any thought to using the the Fedora OS as a gateway to becoming a contributor or is that more of a technical decision? -Mike From duffy at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 03:20:16 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:20:16 -0400 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F33870.5050108@redhat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > JoergSimon wrote: >> Hi Mike some usefull links >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AnswerQuestions >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints >> > > Some of these are pretty good, I came up with some more questions: > > When talking officially about "The Fedora Project's" flagship product > "Fedora", was our last release > > "Fedora 7" > "Moonshine" > "Fedora 7 (Moonshine)" or > "Fedora Moonshine" I'd personally recommend 1 or 3: "Fedora 7" or "Fedora 7 (Moonshine)"... I think for many n00bs the 'Moonshine' part would be confusing. You know, nothing wrong with using it on mailing lists and otherwise 'internally' to the project, but in 'external' promotional and marketing collateral targeted at folks outside the project it would probably be better not to. > Where can I find a list of official colors we can use? This we have wrt the logo: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#head-7393075343a81afb1dcfd83f37dcf47cc666be33 But there isn't a general color palette for collateral materials about Fedora other than those two colors. Oh wait, I just remember I came up with one a while back based on the logo colors: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/37350.html Maybe could be the start of an official one? > Should we have our web apps match the OS or does the OS change enough > from time to time that its just not practical? I think the OS's theme changes enough that it's not practical to try to keep up with it in a major way. Updating some banners and small graphics like that to correspond, okay, but the whole template - nah. > Do we have any testimonials? I don't know of any but we certainly could seek some out - I answer the logo request queue and a lot of people do pretty interesting things with Fedora and ask for the logo to put on their marketing materials... I could go through and cull through my logo request records and ask the folks with particularly interesting uses of Fedora if they'd be willing to give a testimonial. > > Do we have anyone out there selling Fedora business to business. I use > the term sales there loosely as there's no compensation out there but > aside from the ambassadors, whats the closest thing we have to a sales > engineer? > > How are we marketing / pushing the whole re-spin thing to try to get > others to participate? I put together some banners a while back advertising the respinability of F7 but failed to come through with a plan for actually using them :( http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/What-Fedora-will-you-make-57089131 http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Spin-Spin-Fedora-56954387 > Has anyone given any thought to using the the Fedora OS as a gateway to > becoming a contributor or is that more of a technical decision? What do you mean? ~m From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 04:10:12 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:10:12 -0500 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F33870.5050108@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> <46F33870.5050108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F34424.10304@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I put together some banners a while back advertising the respinability > of F7 but failed to come through with a plan for actually using them :( > > http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/What-Fedora-will-you-make-57089131 > > http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Spin-Spin-Fedora-56954387 I loved these BTW, perhaps we can integrate them with ricky's templates that he's working on. What sizes are we targeting? -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 21 04:20:15 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:50:15 +0530 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F3467F.708@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: >> > > Some of these are pretty good, I came up with some more questions: > > When talking officially about "The Fedora Project's" flagship product > "Fedora", was our last release > > "Fedora 7 (Moonshine)" This one. > Where can I find a list of official colors we can use? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/FedoraColors > Should we have our web apps match the OS or does the OS change enough > from time to time that its just not practical? They should use Fedora colors but changing the theme of the web apps seems to unnecessary overhead unless you have some very dynamic and flexible system where changes can easily made every 6 months. More importantly, we have atleast two current general releases that we maintain at any given point of time and we don't want to alienate either set of users not to mention users still using the older versions by appearing to only care about the very latest release. > Do we have any testimonials? Very few > Do we have anyone out there selling Fedora business to business. I use > the term sales there loosely as there's no compensation out there but > aside from the ambassadors, whats the closest thing we have to a sales > engineer? None. We do have a few OEM folks like Pogo Linux but our trademark requirements doesn't leave room for much value add-ons of any kind. > How are we marketing / pushing the whole re-spin thing to try to get > others to participate? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins. I have added various references there. Mo came up with some banners which haven't been actually launched yet > > Has anyone given any thought to using the the Fedora OS as a gateway to > becoming a contributor or is that more of a technical decision? No idea what you mean here Rahul > > -Mike > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 21 04:20:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:50:28 +0530 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F3468C.4030109@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: >> > > Some of these are pretty good, I came up with some more questions: > > When talking officially about "The Fedora Project's" flagship product > "Fedora", was our last release > > "Fedora 7 (Moonshine)" This one. > Where can I find a list of official colors we can use? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/FedoraColors > Should we have our web apps match the OS or does the OS change enough > from time to time that its just not practical? They should use Fedora colors but changing the theme of the web apps seems to unnecessary overhead unless you have some very dynamic and flexible system where changes can easily made every 6 months. More importantly, we have atleast two current general releases that we maintain at any given point of time and we don't want to alienate either set of users not to mention users still using the older versions by appearing to only care about the very latest release. > Do we have any testimonials? Very few http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/UserTestimonials > Do we have anyone out there selling Fedora business to business. I use > the term sales there loosely as there's no compensation out there but > aside from the ambassadors, whats the closest thing we have to a sales > engineer? None. We do have a few OEM folks like Pogo Linux but our trademark requirements doesn't leave room for much value add-ons of any kind. > How are we marketing / pushing the whole re-spin thing to try to get > others to participate? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins. I have added various references there. Mo came up with some banners which haven't been actually launched yet > > Has anyone given any thought to using the the Fedora OS as a gateway to > becoming a contributor or is that more of a technical decision? No idea what you mean here Rahul > > -Mike > From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 00:51:21 2007 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:51:21 -0400 Subject: GNOME 2.2 and Fedora 7 & F8 Test 3 Inquiries Message-ID: How does one upgrade to GNOME 2.20 on Fedora 7? Will F8 Test 3 be using GNOME 2.20 and will it be under 700 MB? I couldn't test out Test 2 of F8 so I hope Test 3 will run better as a Live CD on PPC machines as well as Installations on the other systems... linuxglobe is always looking for Fedora and RHEL Users/Developers who are willing to share their experiences... Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 21 04:46:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:16:51 +0530 Subject: GNOME 2.2 and Fedora 7 & F8 Test 3 Inquiries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F34CBB.60407@fedoraproject.org> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > How does one upgrade to GNOME 2.20 on Fedora 7? No easy way. > Will F8 Test 3 be using GNOME 2.20 and will it be under 700 MB? Yes and yes for x86 arch. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 21 05:30:27 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:30:27 +0300 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F34424.10304@redhat.com> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> <46F33870.5050108@redhat.com> <46F34424.10304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F356F3.30304@nicubunu.ro> Mike McGrath wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> I put together some banners a while back advertising the respinability >> of F7 but failed to come through with a plan for actually using them :( >> >> http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/What-Fedora-will-you-make-57089131 >> >> http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Spin-Spin-Fedora-56954387 > > I loved these BTW, perhaps we can integrate them with ricky's templates > that he's working on. What sizes are we targeting? I would advise to target sizes which are standard for web banners, so if someone is using a banner blocker based on the image size, our banners will be blocked by it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 21 05:36:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:36:47 +0300 Subject: First stickers In-Reply-To: <1190316435.4283.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1190236611.15710.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F21B99.8020700@nicubunu.ro> <46F21EAC.5010007@redhat.com> <46F22AB0.20907@nicubunu.ro> <46F2AFA6.3020808@prodigy.net.mx> <1190316435.4283.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <46F3586F.60603@nicubunu.ro> Gerold Kassube wrote: > > for bothering you again ... > please be aware of the logo guidlines by using the Fedora Logo. Afaik > there is trademark on the logo also on the sign himself. So it's also > important for all of us to use and live these guidlines ... If I broke the guidelines, please tell, I will be happy to correct the problems or take out the images if the problem can't be solved (note: I think things like the monochrome version does not break the guidelines, it is tweaked for cheap printing). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 21 07:44:08 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:44:08 +0100 Subject: GNOME 2.2 and Fedora 7 & F8 Test 3 Inquiries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1190360648.3105.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> > linuxglobe is always looking for Fedora and RHEL Users/Developers > who are willing to share their experiences... Hey, If you're looking for material to publish check out: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews We're putting up one interview there a week or so, with developers discussing the feature of F8 that they're working on, along with screenshots/screencasts of the feature in use. Speaking of which, I'll probably be adding a new interview later today :D If you do, it would be fantastic if you'd link to the wiki and invite people to digg the article at the same point as we will to try and help promote Fedora as much as possible. Best wishes, Jon > > Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com > From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 10:10:44 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:10:44 +0300 Subject: GITEX 2007 (The Final Post) Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709210310x7cf29f6fv8fa66aa23aaf6923@mail.gmail.com> As the organizer of Fedora's first presence at GITEX - now that I have had a week or so to reflect on (recover from) the show - what went well and what can we do better? WHAT WENT WELL * PLANNING: By giving Red Hat plenty of advance notice, Red Hat graciously provided us with a demo pod and HP desktop. The desktop with integrated Intel graphics allowed us to wow the passers-by with wobbly windows and rotating cubes - eye candy, but eye-catching, important at a large show. A special thanks to Veronique Borel, who organized Red Hat's presence at GITEX. * BLOGGING: Posting about the Fedora Project at GITEX was well worth the effort. Incidentally, we were the top page rank for GITEX on Google for quite a few weeks. Thanks to the Fedorans who encouraged me to blog. * ONE-ON-ONE: Lloyd Almeida and I, as Fedora Ambassadors, spoke to dozens of people about Fedora and FOSS. Lloyd, who works in Dubai, made contacts for the linux user group he hopes to start up soon. Thanks, Lloyd, for your invaluable help and enthusiasm. * MEDIA (CDs and DVDs): All told, we distributed hundreds of media to the crowds. Red Hat shipped about 400 Fedora 7 DVDs to the show, which were put to good use. Red Hat and the RH partners were very helpful in spreading the word about Fedora. They gladly handed out Fedora DVDs and Live CDs. Thank you to my fellow RedHat EMEA, OpenNet MEA, Margirus, AMD and IT University booth dwellers. * BROCHURE: The Fedora Project flyer in both English and Arabic was a great tool. The excellent artwork gave a very positive impression of the Fedora Project. Thanks, Ahmed Kamal, for your bilingual design. * OLPC: The OLPC XO laptop was well-displayed and caused quite a stir. I was able to speak to several VIPs about this significant educational project. Yes, the technology is cool, too. Thank you to the Red Hat and Fedora people involved in the OLPC project. * BUDGET: On a personal note, I stayed within my modest budget in a very expensive city. Thanks, Bill, for putting me up and putting up with me. WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER * I personally printed the two-sided flyers on a deskjet printer at Bill's villa. Next time, I'll get them professionally printed. * More Fedora ambassadors would be very welcome. Lloyd and I could only cover 3 out of 5 days of the show. (We did have some ambassadors who volunteered, but were unable to attend due to the prohibitive cost of flights and hotels in Dubai.) * I would like to present a booth talk on the One Laptop Per Child, perhaps in a more official capacity. CONCLUSION Going to the GITEX commercial exhibition, with a little help from my friends, was definitely worthwhile. I believe we, as Fedora Ambassadors, were able to inform people about the advantages of free and open source software. I found it personally rewarding to demonstrate the OLPC XO laptop and to introduce people to the Fedora Project. Best Regards, John Babich Fedora Ambassador From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 20 15:05:29 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:05:29 +0200 Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to In-Reply-To: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0709200805q75ae32b2l39245c46a23ab7d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I haven't seen a > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > would post this to the list to just point this out. Actually, fedora articles are only stuck in "upcoming" and never pushed to "(linux/unix)". Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From crazymulgogi at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 10:50:47 2007 From: crazymulgogi at gmail.com (Herman Meester) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:50:47 +0200 Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to In-Reply-To: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: 2007/9/20, Marc Wiriadisastra : > > http://www.howtoforge.com/xen_gui_fedora_7_desktop > > While the how to is related to marketing in a sense. What I found most > surprising was that it was on the front page of Digg. I haven't seen a > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > would post this to the list to just point this out. Seems like Fedora > is being significant inroads in the contribution of the tools for Xen. > Good work to the devs. > > Cheers, > > Marc The howtoforge stuff on Fedora is often hideous. Like their "turn Fedora into a usable desktop" stuff. First thing they tell you to do is turn off SELinux. Talking about educating users. But I presume, being of good will, that this one is an exception. herman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 21 11:39:35 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:39:35 +0100 Subject: Xen Fedora 7 How to In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0709200805q75ae32b2l39245c46a23ab7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F2821A.1060704@mwiriadi.id.au> <13dbfe4f0709200805q75ae32b2l39245c46a23ab7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190374775.3109.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 17:05 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 9/20/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I haven't seen a > > lot of Fedora info on the front page of Digg (linux/unix) so I thought I > > would post this to the list to just point this out. > > Actually, fedora articles are only stuck in "upcoming" and never > pushed to "(linux/unix)". We need to get more diggs is all :D Not that I'd suggest gaming digg or anything, but if you do spot an article on Digg Re: Fedora post the digg link to this list or to a blog on planet (or anywhere for that matter!) so that people are at least aware of it. Perhaps include a message along the lines of: "Hey, check out this article about Fedora. If you like it, why not digg it here: digg.com/linux_unix/..." Would definitely help I think. Jon From gdk at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 14:18:44 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GITEX 2007 (The Final Post) In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709210310x7cf29f6fv8fa66aa23aaf6923@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0709210310x7cf29f6fv8fa66aa23aaf6923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome work, John. On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, John Babich wrote: > As the organizer of Fedora's first presence at GITEX - now that I have > had a week or so to reflect on (recover from) the show - what went > well and what can we do better? > > WHAT WENT WELL > > * PLANNING: By giving Red Hat plenty of advance notice, Red Hat > graciously provided us with a demo pod and HP desktop. The desktop > with integrated Intel graphics allowed us to wow the passers-by with > wobbly windows and rotating cubes - eye candy, but eye-catching, > important at a large show. A special thanks to Veronique Borel, who > organized Red Hat's presence at GITEX. > > * BLOGGING: Posting about the Fedora Project at GITEX was well worth > the effort. Incidentally, we were the top page rank for GITEX on > Google for quite a few weeks. Thanks to the Fedorans who encouraged me > to blog. > > * ONE-ON-ONE: Lloyd Almeida and I, as Fedora Ambassadors, spoke to > dozens of people about Fedora and FOSS. Lloyd, who works in Dubai, > made contacts for the linux user group he hopes to start up soon. > Thanks, Lloyd, for your invaluable help and enthusiasm. > > * MEDIA (CDs and DVDs): All told, we distributed hundreds of media to > the crowds. Red Hat shipped about 400 Fedora 7 DVDs to the show, which > were put to good use. Red Hat and the RH partners were very helpful in > spreading the word about Fedora. They gladly handed out Fedora DVDs > and Live CDs. Thank you to my fellow RedHat EMEA, OpenNet MEA, > Margirus, AMD and IT University booth dwellers. > > * BROCHURE: The Fedora Project flyer in both English and Arabic was a > great tool. The excellent artwork gave a very positive impression of > the Fedora Project. Thanks, Ahmed Kamal, for your bilingual design. > > * OLPC: The OLPC XO laptop was well-displayed and caused quite a stir. > I was able to speak to several VIPs about this significant educational > project. Yes, the technology is cool, too. Thank you to the Red Hat > and Fedora people involved in the OLPC project. > > * BUDGET: On a personal note, I stayed within my modest budget in a > very expensive city. Thanks, Bill, for putting me up and putting up > with me. > > WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER > > * I personally printed the two-sided flyers on a deskjet printer at > Bill's villa. Next time, I'll get them professionally printed. > > * More Fedora ambassadors would be very welcome. Lloyd and I could > only cover 3 out of 5 days of the show. (We did have some ambassadors > who volunteered, but were unable to attend due to the prohibitive cost > of flights and hotels in Dubai.) > > * I would like to present a booth talk on the One Laptop Per Child, > perhaps in a more official capacity. > > CONCLUSION > > Going to the GITEX commercial exhibition, with a little help from my > friends, was definitely worthwhile. I believe we, as Fedora > Ambassadors, were able to inform people about the advantages of free > and open source software. I found it personally rewarding to > demonstrate the OLPC XO laptop and to introduce people to the Fedora Project. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Fedora Ambassador > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 15:09:56 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:09:56 -0500 Subject: Question about our Brand In-Reply-To: <46F356F3.30304@nicubunu.ro> References: <46EED625.3010307@redhat.com> <200709172324.41824.simon@simline.de> <46F3331D.3030609@redhat.com> <46F33870.5050108@redhat.com> <46F34424.10304@redhat.com> <46F356F3.30304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46F3DEC4.7050001@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> >>> I put together some banners a while back advertising the >>> respinability of F7 but failed to come through with a plan for >>> actually using them :( >>> >>> http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/What-Fedora-will-you-make-57089131 >>> >>> http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Spin-Spin-Fedora-56954387 >> >> I loved these BTW, perhaps we can integrate them with ricky's >> templates that he's working on. What sizes are we targeting? > > I would advise to target sizes which are standard for web banners, so > if someone is using a banner blocker based on the image size, our > banners will be blocked by it. > I agree, also we can link to a standard location like http://fp.o/images/current-banner-large.png We can then link to it in all of our templates, without having change the links every time (we'll just link them to the get fedora page) -Mike From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 21 16:37:45 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:37:45 +0100 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 Message-ID: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> Hey all, Just to let you know I've put the second interview of the feature preview series up: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/MartinSourada This one's about Nodoka, the new default theme making its debut in Fedora 8 Test 2 and is a good read... If you think it's an interesting read, or just want to help Fedora get a bit of extra attention, visit Digg and give it your vote (it would be hugely appreciated :p): http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_s_new_theme_Nodoka Enjoy! Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 21 16:49:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:19:39 +0530 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > Just to let you know I've put the second interview of the feature > preview series up: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/MartinSourada Missing developer box. I believe we actually shipped with Blue Curve as the default theme before Clear looks was adopted by upstream GNOME. IIRC KDE was still shipping with that theme before switching to Plastik in the last release. So you might want to revise the early introduction. > This one's about Nodoka, the new default theme making its debut in > Fedora 8 Test 2 and is a good read... > > If you think it's an interesting read, or just want to help Fedora get a > bit of extra attention, visit Digg and give it your vote (it would be > hugely appreciated :p): > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_s_new_theme_Nodoka Already did so. Posting to fedora forum too. Don't forget to notify other news websites and blog. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 21 17:07:20 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:07:20 +0100 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46F3FA48.8020701@gmail.com> > Missing developer box. Oh shoot! I even thought about that this time - has been a bit of a bad day :S >I believe we actually shipped with Blue Curve as > the default theme before Clear looks was adopted by upstream GNOME. IIRC > KDE was still shipping with that theme before switching to Plastik in > the last release. So you might want to revise the early introduction. OK cool - thanks for the pointer, I'll update this now :D > Already did so. Posting to fedora forum too. Don't forget to notify > other news websites and blog. Blogged - thanks for posting to the Forums too. I'll take a look at other news sites now. Jon From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:45:24 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:45:24 -0500 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9b437e950709211145x6083ae42j6107be9e51a2a333@mail.gmail.com> Sadly I noticed the forum post got locked On 9/21/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Just to let you know I've put the second interview of the feature > > preview series up: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/MartinSourada > > Missing developer box. I believe we actually shipped with Blue Curve as > the default theme before Clear looks was adopted by upstream GNOME. IIRC > KDE was still shipping with that theme before switching to Plastik in > the last release. So you might want to revise the early introduction. > > > This one's about Nodoka, the new default theme making its debut in > > Fedora 8 Test 2 and is a good read... > > > > If you think it's an interesting read, or just want to help Fedora get a > > bit of extra attention, visit Digg and give it your vote (it would be > > hugely appreciated :p): > > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_s_new_theme_Nodoka > > Already did so. Posting to fedora forum too. Don't forget to notify > other news websites and blog. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:51:15 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:51:15 -0500 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F41126.9010705@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> <9b437e950709211145x6083ae42j6107be9e51a2a333@mail.gmail.com> <46F41126.9010705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9b437e950709211151s7a4456e1qe8c3f88554251da7@mail.gmail.com> well at least they didn't delete it either. People can still read it. On 9/21/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Sadly I noticed the forum post got locked > > > > Why is that sad? It's a standard forum practice to lock news posts to > avoid spam. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 22 08:07:06 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:07:06 +0100 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F3FA48.8020701@gmail.com> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> <46F3FA48.8020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F4CD2A.4030903@gmail.com> This made it to digg front page... Unfortunately, the comments aren't that positive but people must like it if we got 200+ diggs! Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 22 08:19:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:49:50 +0530 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F4CD2A.4030903@gmail.com> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> <46F3FA48.8020701@gmail.com> <46F4CD2A.4030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F4D026.5070001@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > This made it to digg front page... > > Unfortunately, the comments aren't that positive but people must like it > if we got 200+ diggs! When Blue Curve came out the opinions were all over the place too. If we can get a KDE theme to match this, that would look good I think. We hit a few places http://lwn.net/Articles/251002/ http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18654 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 22 09:46:26 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:16:26 +0530 Subject: Create custom versions of Fedora by 'respinning' it with Revisor Message-ID: <46F4E472.9020406@fedoraproject.org> Hi A nice detailed review of revisor in Fedora 7. Note that revisor now supports a command line interface, RHEL 5 too and is in the EPEL repository. http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/2415-7343_11-157495.html "I was skeptical about Fedora 7 when it first came out, but the Revisor tool removes any of the skepticism brought about by the idea of "spins." Revisor will allow you to truly create your own version of Fedora: you can create KDE-only, GNOME-only, or no-GUI-server-only. I was very close to dropping Fedora as my OS of choice, but Revisor has, well, revised that opinion" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 22 14:29:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:59:51 +0530 Subject: Fedora reaching out to new niches Message-ID: <46F526DF.2080809@fedoraproject.org> Hi This article covers the ongoing efforts on making it easier to create new spins with missing out potentially important new effort that is ongoing to make it easier to do rebranding of Fedora via a generic logos package. Amoung the points made in the conclusion in a positive way is a statement that Fedora has had a reputation for not working in the community. I would be interested to hear from contributors and users if they have indeed felt that way and why. http://lwn.net/Articles/249251 "It remains to be seen if any of these spins become popular, but it may be a good way to introduce new users to Fedora. It is unlikely that power users will find a spin that covers all of what they use, but they just might find one that serves as a good starting point. They can either customize their own spin from there or use the usual repository tools to grab whatever extras they need. For a distribution that, until recently, had a reputation for not working with the community, this effort may go a long way towards erasing that history." Rahu From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 22 14:33:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:03:04 +0530 Subject: RPM Fusion Message-ID: <46F527A0.6070505@fedoraproject.org> Hi We are discussing with Red Hat Legal the possibility of linking to the free software portion of the repository for codec buddy and in our documentation. I am hopeful that this will happen. http://lwn.net/Articles/249324/ "The RPM Fusion Project was announced this week. Three repositories, Dribble, Freshrpms and Livna will merge to provide Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux users with add-on software packages." "This will actually be separated into two repositories. One for free and the other for non-free software (as defined by the Fedora Packaging Guidelines). The free repository, presumably hosted outside the U.S., will contain software that cannot be packaged by Fedora because of U.S. restrictions (patents), but is considered free in other parts of the world. The current thought is that it should be possible for Fedora to link to this repository from the main Fedora site, although I don't think that the Red Hat legal department has had its final say." Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 22 15:50:36 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:50:36 +0100 Subject: RPM Fusion In-Reply-To: <46F527A0.6070505@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F527A0.6070505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709220850y625f648fj61e7c98feec0f23b@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > We are discussing with Red Hat Legal the possibility of linking to the > free software portion of the repository for codec buddy and in our > documentation. I am hopeful that this will happen. That would be awesome news for Fedora, in terms of perceived user friendliness! Jon From tw2113 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 19:17:23 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:17:23 -0500 Subject: F8 Build Up - Interview 2 In-Reply-To: <46F4D026.5070001@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F3F359.50303@gmail.com> <46F3F623.7080204@fedoraproject.org> <46F3FA48.8020701@gmail.com> <46F4CD2A.4030903@gmail.com> <46F4D026.5070001@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9b437e950709221217m34944a7tb1c777c71764c7a0@mail.gmail.com> I hit "digg" while rolling my eyes a bit. They'll get used to it and start to love it On 9/22/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > This made it to digg front page... > > > > Unfortunately, the comments aren't that positive but people must like it > > if we got 200+ diggs! > > When Blue Curve came out the opinions were all over the place too. If we > can get a KDE theme to match this, that would look good I think. We hit > a few places > > http://lwn.net/Articles/251002/ > http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18654 > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 23:38:10 2007 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:38:10 -0400 Subject: I will be HAPPY to distribute Fedora 8 Live CD in New England USA! :D Message-ID: I will be happy to distribute/mail Fedora 8 Live CD (the day after it is on the servers) if 100 people out here in New England USA request it. As part of linuxglobe's (linuxglobe.wordpress.com) mission to make Linux known in USA, I will be honored to take up the task! CDs are very inexpensive and Live CD's are the way to go to introduce Fedora without ruining a Windoze PC! :D So PLEASE put my e-mail (hudsonman35 at gmail.com) address on your Free Media Distribution List, I don't know how that works anyway, ha ha! I hope I can be a worthy Fedora Ambassador via linuxglobe! Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Sep 23 12:21:58 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:21:58 +0800 Subject: I will be HAPPY to distribute Fedora 8 Live CD in New England USA! :D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F65A66.60304@mwiriadi.id.au> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > I will be happy to distribute/mail Fedora 8 Live CD (the day after it > is on the servers) if 100 people out here in New England USA request > it. As part of linuxglobe's (linuxglobe.wordpress.com > ) mission to make Linux known in > USA, I will be honored to take up the task! CDs are very inexpensive > and Live CD's are the way to go to introduce Fedora without ruining a > Windoze PC! :D So PLEASE put my e-mail ( hudsonman35 at gmail.com > ) address on your Free Media > Distribution List, I don't know how that works anyway, ha ha! I hope > I can be a worthy Fedora Ambassador via linuxglobe! > > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA You can join the free-media list if you aren't already on it to distribute Fedora 7. Cheers, Marc From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Sep 24 18:33:41 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:33:41 -0500 Subject: Visual: Mirrors vs Users Message-ID: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> I wrote a little call to help post today as well as a comparison of where our users are vs mirrors. This is using a small sampling of people that have connected to our mirrors site. Not an exact science but interesting none the less, thought I'd share. http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/8797.html -Mike From eteo at redhat.com Mon Sep 24 23:45:52 2007 From: eteo at redhat.com (Eugene Teo) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:45:52 +0800 Subject: Visual: Mirrors vs Users In-Reply-To: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> References: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F84C30.6090404@redhat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > I wrote a little call to help post today as well as a comparison of > where our users are vs mirrors. This is using a small sampling of > people that have connected to our mirrors site. Not an exact science > but interesting none the less, thought I'd share. > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/8797.html FWIW, there is a need to have more Fedora mirrors in China. Downloading/ Updating packages was quite a pain until a mirror (thanks to Candis) was setup. I was complained when I attended BLUG in Beijing. But if there are any Chinese volunteers here who is able to setup a mirror, that would really help our users *a lot*. Eugene From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Sep 25 00:51:45 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:51:45 +0800 Subject: Visual: Mirrors vs Users In-Reply-To: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> References: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F85BA1.50504@mwiriadi.id.au> Mike McGrath wrote: > I wrote a little call to help post today as well as a comparison of > where our users are vs mirrors. This is using a small sampling of > people that have connected to our mirrors site. Not an exact science > but interesting none the less, thought I'd share. > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/8797.html > > -Mike > I know in Australia there are a lot of ISP's that mirror off each other and that generally propagates out. The example is my isp ftp.iinet.net.au mirrors off planetmirror yet its done on a 24 hour basis I believe. The only issue I have is that if the release of Fedora happens to be on a Thursday/Friday US time then we don't get it till Monday, Tuesday of the following week. While thats not your issue it's painting a picture of how my isp works. Is there a way to talk to some of the mirrors in Australia? I know of about 3-4 mirrors that aren't listed (not confirmed) maybe because they are sub-mirrors. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Sep 25 00:59:51 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:59:51 +0800 Subject: Visual: Mirrors vs Users In-Reply-To: <46F85BA1.50504@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> <46F85BA1.50504@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <46F85D87.2090807@mwiriadi.id.au> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> I wrote a little call to help post today as well as a comparison of >> where our users are vs mirrors. This is using a small sampling of >> people that have connected to our mirrors site. Not an exact science >> but interesting none the less, thought I'd share. >> >> http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/8797.html >> >> -Mike >> > > I know in Australia there are a lot of ISP's that mirror off each > other and that generally propagates out. The example is my isp > ftp.iinet.net.au mirrors off planetmirror yet its done on a 24 hour > basis I believe. The only issue I have is that if the release of > Fedora happens to be on a Thursday/Friday US time then we don't get it > till Monday, Tuesday of the following week. While thats not your > issue it's painting a picture of how my isp works. > > Is there a way to talk to some of the mirrors in Australia? I know of > about 3-4 mirrors that aren't listed (not confirmed) maybe because > they are sub-mirrors. > > Cheers, > > Marc > I suppose to add to the list to make it at least of some value. http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ - Not fedora 7 (not sure why but a lot of people struggled in switching) ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au - Does some of Fedora http://mirror.internode.on.net/ Does some http://www.pacific.net.au/mirror/ http://www.filearena.net/ These are just a quick look. There are a few universities that offer mirroring as well. Is there a way to get a look at a region's mirrors to see if marketing can help locate other mirrors for infrastructure to have a chat to? Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 25 06:23:40 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:53:40 +0530 Subject: Visual: Mirrors vs Users In-Reply-To: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> References: <46F80305.8040608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F8A96C.7010001@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > I wrote a little call to help post today as well as a comparison of > where our users are vs mirrors. This is using a small sampling of > people that have connected to our mirrors site. Not an exact science > but interesting none the less, thought I'd share. > > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/8797.html You have some hope here https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2007-September/msg00016.html Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Sep 26 07:52:43 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:52:43 -0500 Subject: Release day and links Message-ID: <46FA0FCB.7040206@redhat.com> Just planning ahead here. During the last release there were a couple of links given out that did not exist or weren't what the Infrastructure team thought they were. Can someone compile a list of the canonical links we're giving out as part of our release and can we make sure the content only exists at that spot? In particular I'd like to know where the release notes officially are. My preference would be docs.fedoraproject.org. I guess I'm asking what our press release will look like. -Mike From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Sep 26 07:58:19 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:58:19 +0800 Subject: Release day and links In-Reply-To: <46FA0FCB.7040206@redhat.com> References: <46FA0FCB.7040206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46FA111B.3040202@mwiriadi.id.au> Mike McGrath wrote: > Just planning ahead here. During the last release there were a couple > of links given out that did not exist or weren't what the > Infrastructure team thought they were. Can someone compile a list of > the canonical links we're giving out as part of our release and can we > make sure the content only exists at that spot? In particular I'd > like to know where the release notes officially are. My preference > would be docs.fedoraproject.org. I guess I'm asking what our press > release will look like. > > -Mike > I would definitely be interested in this. Since I'm starting to get my website ready for fedora 8 or at least I will start soon since there isn't much to finish up. Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 27 20:05:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:35:10 +0530 Subject: The 7 Most Influential GNU/Linux Distributions Message-ID: <46FC0CF6.7060004@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/11070_3701421_1 "Fedora's main reputation is for being the first distro to include new innovations. For instance, Fedora was the first distribution to include tools that allowed average users to work with SELinux's detailed security options. In the same way, Fedora 7 was the first to include Smolt, a program for collecting hardware information about users; Revisor, a program for creating custom install disks, and the Liberation typefaces that provide the metrical equivalents of Arial, Helvetica, and Times Roman in free fonts. Although some users on Fedora mailing lists suggest that this innovation makes Fedora unsuitable for servers and mission-critical operations, an increased attention to testing is starting to make that generality obsolete. After a slow couple of years, Fedora is also well on the way to realizing its goal of creating a thriving community in which Red Hat is important, but no longer completely dominates decision-making." Rahul From rodrigopadula at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 13:35:14 2007 From: rodrigopadula at gmail.com (Rodrigo Padula) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:35:14 -0400 Subject: Brazilian Event - Aracaju - SE Message-ID: <3668180e0709280635u74096fb9i53b7c28260f5af63@mail.gmail.com> Brazilian Fedora Project at ENSL II. See www.ensl.org.br and www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/IIENSL for news. Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Project www.projetofedora.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Sep 28 23:03:06 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:03:06 +0100 Subject: Interview 3 Message-ID: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Before I put this interview up, would some people take a look over the video I've put together for it...worried it's a bit vague/lacking direction - some feed back would be welcome! The address is: http://questionsplease.org/online-desktop.ogg Thanks all, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 28 23:10:18 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:40:18 +0530 Subject: Interview 3 In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD89DA.3050903@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > Before I put this interview up, would some people take a look over the > video I've put together for it...worried it's a bit vague/lacking > direction - some feed back would be welcome! > > The address is: > > http://questionsplease.org/online-desktop.ogg There are a number of features you seem to be missing out on this demo. http://blog.mugshot.org/ has some of this listed out. Mugshot application stats and the ability to install a application off the webpage by calling yum in the background can be interesting to show off. You might also want to show this to the developers you are interviewing on this topic and ask them what features are attractive. Rahul From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 29 16:56:14 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:56:14 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! Message-ID: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> Dear Fedora user, All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the association of the French speaking Fedora users. We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora. Why an association ? * In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the installation of Fedora. * To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French community. *?An association helps to increase the presence of the French community and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or others. You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in any way. What are the goals of the association ? * Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora. * Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings. * Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora GNU/Linux distribution. What are our resources ? * The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in different Linux User Group and other association. * The dues from our members. * The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help to the association. Who is at the head of the association ? The member of the board are: President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom) Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk) Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy) Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui) Other members of the board: Maxime Carron (Pingoomax) Thierry Delmonte (Titax) Charles Vinchon (littlecharly) All are Fedora ambassador. Why becoming a member ? * Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities. * Because you wish to financially support the association to promote the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being actively involved in these actions. * Because you can become a member from 10 euros. Who can become a member ? The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora. How to become a member ? We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre How to do a simple donation ? If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons How to be involved in the Association actions ? One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are looking for help: * Small books presenting Fedora * Flyers * Posters * Stickers * Pens * Keyrings * ... We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs. Where to find information about the association ? One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your questions and help you to lead your projects. Fedora-fr Team. From gerold at lugd.org Sat Sep 29 19:15:00 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:15:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi all, please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends; has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ... No other than the french people were involved in that. This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10 different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a french participation was talking about to create a global or at least EMEA Association. Just for all of you as information. Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped but also I personally hope to support a European one ... Just my two cents Gerold Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 18:56 +0200 schrieb Thomas Canniot: > Dear Fedora user, > > All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the > association of the French speaking Fedora users. > > We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of > Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora. > > Why an association ? > > * In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora > distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of > support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the > installation of Fedora. > * To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French > community. > * An association helps to increase the presence of the French community > and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more > credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or > others. > > You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora > project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the > creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in > any way. > > What are the goals of the association ? > > * Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux > distribution Fedora. > * Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings. > * Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora > GNU/Linux distribution. > > What are our resources ? > > * The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in > different Linux User Group and other association. > * The dues from our members. > * The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help > to the association. > > Who is at the head of the association ? > > The member of the board are: > President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk) > Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy) > Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui) > > Other members of the board: > Maxime Carron (Pingoomax) > Thierry Delmonte (Titax) > Charles Vinchon (littlecharly) > > All are Fedora ambassador. > > Why becoming a member ? > > * Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities. > * Because you wish to financially support the association to promote > the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being > actively involved in these actions. > * Because you can become a member from 10 euros. > > Who can become a member ? > > The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the > promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora. > > How to become a member ? > > We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the > association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre > > How to do a simple donation ? > > If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website > http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons > > How to be involved in the Association actions ? > > One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the > Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish > to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are > looking for help: > * Small books presenting Fedora > * Flyers > * Posters > * Stickers > * Pens > * Keyrings > * ... > > We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs. > > Where to find information about the association ? > > One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org > > > All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your > questions and help you to lead your projects. > > Fedora-fr Team. -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 9/29/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi all, > > please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to > tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends; > has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ... > > No other than the french people were involved in that. > > This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you > all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10 > different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a > french participation was talking about to create a global or at least > EMEA Association. > > Just for all of you as information. > > Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped > but also I personally hope to support a European one ... > > Just my two cents > > Gerold > > > > Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 18:56 +0200 schrieb Thomas Canniot: > > Dear Fedora user, > > > > All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the > > association of the French speaking Fedora users. > > > > We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of > > Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora. > > > > Why an association ? > > > > * In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora > > distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of > > support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the > > installation of Fedora. > > * To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French > > community. > > * An association helps to increase the presence of the French community > > and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more > > credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or > > others. > > > > You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora > > project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the > > creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in > > any way. > > > > What are the goals of the association ? > > > > * Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux > > distribution Fedora. > > * Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings. > > * Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora > > GNU/Linux distribution. > > > > What are our resources ? > > > > * The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in > > different Linux User Group and other association. > > * The dues from our members. > > * The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help > > to the association. > > > > Who is at the head of the association ? > > > > The member of the board are: > > President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > > Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk) > > Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy) > > Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui) > > > > Other members of the board: > > Maxime Carron (Pingoomax) > > Thierry Delmonte (Titax) > > Charles Vinchon (littlecharly) > > > > All are Fedora ambassador. > > > > Why becoming a member ? > > > > * Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities. > > * Because you wish to financially support the association to promote > > the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being > > actively involved in these actions. > > * Because you can become a member from 10 euros. > > > > Who can become a member ? > > > > The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the > > promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora. > > > > How to become a member ? > > > > We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the > > association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre > > > > How to do a simple donation ? > > > > If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website > > http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons > > > > How to be involved in the Association actions ? > > > > One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the > > Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish > > to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are > > looking for help: > > * Small books presenting Fedora > > * Flyers > > * Posters > > * Stickers > > * Pens > > * Keyrings > > * ... > > > > We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs. > > > > Where to find information about the association ? > > > > One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org > > > > > > All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your > > questions and help you to lead your projects. > > > > Fedora-fr Team. > > -- > Regards > > Gerold Kassube > Fedora Ambassador > > Deutschland / Germany > Schweiz / Switzerland > Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org > > 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Sat Sep 29 21:29:33 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:29:33 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <46FEC3BD.1050904@yahoo.fr> Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi all, > > Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped > but also I personally hope to support a European one ... > > Just my two cents > > Gerold > Hi I was there a the FOSDEM, I have seen the meetings and talk about this idea. I am very enthusiastic about it, but I believe that the two projects are not contradictory maybe even the contrary. If we want to create a European instance for Fedora, we have to be first organized into each country, have just a big association with hundreds of people with being structured. Build a house without good basement is (I believe) a waste of time. At least now for the French speaking people (We include Belgium, Swiss and other countries) you have people to speak about... Best regards, P.Yves ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 29 22:04:00 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:04:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> Le Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:15:00 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > Hi all, > > please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to > tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends; > has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ... > > No other than the french people were involved in that. > > This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you > all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that > 10 different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest > without a french participation was talking about to create a global > or at least EMEA Association. > > Just for all of you as information. > > Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped > but also I personally hope to support a European one ... > > Just my two cents > > Gerold Hey Gerold, That's great that you give at last for once you point of view about EMEA on the mailing list, instead of always restrict this discussion on private meetings during big events. First, I just would like to say that French and other ambassadors involved in the EMEA creation share the same objective. We _all_ want an EMEA Fedora 'thing' to be created. The difference is that we don't share the same approach to create it. French Amb. do think that EACH country has to be first organised at a national level BEFORE any EMEA could communicate with it. Could you imagine the EMEA communicating on same subjects with so many different ambassadors from only ONE country ? I don't... what a waste of time and energy ! We do believe that creating local / national entities would rather facilitate the damn life of the Fedora EMEA thing, because in France, it will have to communicate with one, and only one entity, this association. Then, maybe I will disappoint you, but everything is already created and there is no way we can go back. We already have members and money, and we are to promote Fedora in French speaking countries as it has never be done before. Maybe some people are jealous of our success... I don't know and I really don't care, because we know that what we are doing right now is good for the French community, because it respond to what people want. Then, I would suggest Gerold to at last open a _real_ discussion about EMEA, because being reproached not to attend event is really to easy. I am very happy for you if you have enough money and time to go there and there and discuss with people. From my point of view, as a kind of French Fedora Leader, I don't. And as you may have noticed, I said that I am going to go to this far event in Rheinfelden. We missed ONE or TWO FAD, this is very easy to say we don't care about it. The mailing list IS there to unite people and avoid this kind of little meeting in the middle of nowhere, and you never used it on purpose on that subject. Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests of promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write in the Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never received anything even if the requests were made on time and even if people were pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy. We can't waste time created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are doing it right now, and it works. EMEA is our next objective, as the French association is now created. And I would suggest every Fedora Ambassadors from common countries to organise themselves in local / national entities to make the future life of EMEA easier. However, it will be as slow and unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project. Cheers, that was my 2 cents :) Thomas From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 30 05:48:19 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:48:19 -0700 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0709292248n265fa87ey6222ab74207f6302@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done > because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests of > promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write in the > Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never received > anything even if the requests were made on time and even if people were > pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy. We can't waste time > created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are doing it right now, and > it works. EMEA is our next objective, as the French association is now > created. And I would suggest every Fedora Ambassadors from common > countries to organise themselves in local / national entities to make > the future life of EMEA easier. However, it will be as slow and > unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project. It seems Fedora Project in USA have failed Fedora Ambassadors in French. Please note we made every efforts to deliver the materials you requested but at the end either the package was lost or never made it on time. There were several discussions to improve the situation and I believe one of them was to create localized distribution center in Europe supported by local Red Hat office. So, Best of Luck for French Association. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 30 07:34:33 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:34:33 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0709292248n265fa87ey6222ab74207f6302@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0709292248n265fa87ey6222ab74207f6302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070930093433.33d243f0@localhost.localdomain> Le Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:48:19 -0700, "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > On 9/29/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done > > because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests > > of promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write > > in the Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never > > received anything even if the requests were made on time and even > > if people were pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy. > > We can't waste time created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are > > doing it right now, and it works. EMEA is our next objective, as > > the French association is now created. And I would suggest every > > Fedora Ambassadors from common countries to organise themselves in > > local / national entities to make the future life of EMEA easier. > > However, it will be as slow and unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. > > project. > > It seems Fedora Project in USA have failed Fedora Ambassadors in > French. Please note we made every efforts to deliver the materials you > requested but at the end either the package was lost or never made it > on time. I know Thomas, don't worry, I have nothing against you. :) The fact is that when we started to create the association, the message from RedHat was : create stuff locally and you will get reimbursed. But nobody here wanted (and it was more than legitimate) to pay for $500 for DVDs without the assurance to be reimbursed totally. The organisation is there to simplify all this stuff, and now it is there it will simplify things a lot for us. > > There were several discussions to improve the situation and I believe > one of them was to create localized distribution center in Europe > supported by local Red Hat office. > > So, Best of Luck for French Association. Thanks a lot Thomas :) > > Regards, Thomas From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 30 10:32:12 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:32:12 +0100 Subject: Interview 3 In-Reply-To: <46FD89DA.3050903@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> <46FD89DA.3050903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709300332j28db5335va5ea1cb524e5c308@mail.gmail.com> > There are a number of features you seem to be missing out on this demo. > http://blog.mugshot.org/ has some of this listed out. Mugshot > application stats and the ability to install a application off the > webpage by calling yum in the background can be interesting to show off. Thanks for the feedback :D The video has been updated and includes a few more features that I neglected to show off last time!! I've also moved all the text over to fp.org/wiki/Interviews/ and I'm about to start promoting it around the net in the usual manner unless there's anything I've missed/stuff people think I should do before this... Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 30 13:22:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:52:38 +0530 Subject: Customized spins of Fedora Message-ID: <46FFA31E.5000400@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/09/28/customized-spins-of-fedora/ "When Fedora 7 was released, one of the big features that we talked about was the idea of customized spins of the distribution. Now that Fedora 8 is on the way, it?s useful to look and see how we have done, and what sort of custom spins have been created." Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Sep 30 15:12:13 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:12:13 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <1191093300.4642.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20070930000400.28ffd202@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FFBCCD.6080608@kanarip.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Canniot wrote: However, it will be as slow and > unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project. > No it won't, that's where I kick in. - -- Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen - -kanarip - -- http://www.kanarip.com/ RHCE, LPIC-2, MCP, CCNA C6B0 7FB4 43E6 CDDA D258 F70B 28DE 9FDA 9342 BF08 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG/7zNKN6f2pNCvwgRAmr5AJ9hTQaZ7r+KqoR8LMPy892AWD6Q4QCfRO0F Pgsf1KPR9pVFifuYhdw9g/U= =Ylme -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 30 15:21:36 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:21:36 +0100 Subject: Interview 3 In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709300332j28db5335va5ea1cb524e5c308@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> <46FD89DA.3050903@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709300332j28db5335va5ea1cb524e5c308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709300821h613a5d8ap7b54984140f82738@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I noticed that Rahul had made a few corrections to the wiki page, posted to digg etc so a big thank you! Have you sent LWN etc or would you like me to do those? Maybe if a few of us submitted to slashdot we might be able to get on there as well - though I doubt it as it seems incredibly hard to do! Anyhow, thanks for the help, it's hugely appreciated :D Jon From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Sep 30 15:31:02 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:31:02 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FFC136.2060101@kanarip.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Canniot wrote: > Dear Fedora user, > > All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the > association of the French speaking Fedora users. > > We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of > Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora. > Reading my mail in reversed date sort order (I'm sorry), I only now see the actual announcement ;-) I want to congratulate Thomas and the other French Ambassadors for reaching this much anticipated milestone. We all know how difficult it is to get resources, and to enable ourselves to share these while not exhausting our very own time and financial resources, or to organize some type of structure for Ambassadors in countries with a larger audience. The French association is hopefully going to set an example, no matter how eager others including myself are to set up some type of EMEA-wide structure. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I hope you -Thomas- and the other French Ambassadors appreciate what we're trying to achieve. We do have common goals and we might have different point of views or ideas, I hope we get some time to share those (FAD Nov 24th, Basel?). - -- Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen - -kanarip - -- http://www.kanarip.com/ RHCE, LPIC-2, MCP, CCNA C6B0 7FB4 43E6 CDDA D258 F70B 28DE 9FDA 9342 BF08 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG/8E2KN6f2pNCvwgRAisLAJ4tz6CJSpqeLdGu2np7Ro4FL1hwdACcD/SE WsdZ1ouVI4W0EoSP01xnlzU= =Ggfw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 30 15:35:47 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:05:47 +0530 Subject: Interview 3 In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709300821h613a5d8ap7b54984140f82738@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709281603y250e586eyd5788c169ed3bb71@mail.gmail.com> <46FD89DA.3050903@fedoraproject.org> <3263b11b0709300332j28db5335va5ea1cb524e5c308@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0709300821h613a5d8ap7b54984140f82738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FFC253.6000402@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > I noticed that Rahul had made a few corrections to the wiki page, > posted to digg etc so a big thank you! NP. Digg link at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_8_and_Online_Desktop I have posted to Fedora forum news section which appears in the front page. Also to osnews where it has been accepted a few minutes back http://osnews.com/story.php/18705/Fedora-8-and-the-Online-Desktop > Have you sent LWN etc or would you like me to do those? Already done. You could do it on Lxer and Linux Today too as well as blog. Maybe if a few > of us submitted to slashdot we might be able to get on there as well - > though I doubt it as it seems incredibly hard to do! > > Anyhow, thanks for the help, it's hugely appreciated :D I think slashdot might be interested since GNOME online desktop initiative was posted there and got a lot of comments. Feel free to try. Also note that there are a list of new features which are pretty nice but hasn't been in the feature list. system-config-firewall which is a entirely new firewall tool, compiz fusion and potentially a games spin among others. The earlier release notes mentions some of them. The feature list process is new for this release and hopefully will get more comprehensive over time but that isn't the only place to look for new and interesting features. Rahul From karlthered2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 19:34:01 2007 From: karlthered2 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H._Gu=E9mar?=) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:34:01 +0200 Subject: Fedora-fr association was born ! In-Reply-To: <46FFC136.2060101@kanarip.com> References: <20070929185614.4d2e81b7@localhost.localdomain> <46FFC136.2060101@kanarip.com> Message-ID: Hi, I don't understand some reactions here. Fedora-FR is NOT some kind of unofficial subgroup of fp.o ambassadors, but rather a local Fedora User Group similar to LUGs. The French community has been structured around fedora-fr.org unofficial website & forum, some members started regular local meetings (Lyon, Nantes, Paris etc.), a documentation project, assistance to new contributors etc.. Our goal is to federate not only French ambassadors but all French and French-speaking Fedora users. Regular physical meetings have helped newcomers and users to integrate our community Fedora-FR should be seen as a companion organisation to fp.o ambassadors. Fedora-FR gathers hundred people maybe thousands in the future, French fp.oambassadors are about a dozen. As an association, we will be able to collect and share some ressources, and have a _legal existence_. Fedora-FR aims to ease and leverage French ambassadors work and organizing meetings between users. Human contacts are a better way to promote Fedora rather than mailing-lists and irc. We're as eager as you to set up an EMEA structure lead by Fedora Ambassadors, but it cannot replace local user groups and vice-versa. An EMEA structure should also lean on local user groups to strenghten its action, if we don't, such structure could only fail. Best regards H. G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 30 21:46:44 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:46:44 +0100 Subject: Cool comment Message-ID: <3263b11b0709301446t62e15e42x5def3486f3f3ece0@mail.gmail.com> OK, so it's just one comment but it's pretty cool :D "You know, Fedora was one of the first distributions that I really got started with, but I got to say, in my eyes (and in the eyes of many) it got pushed aside when Ubuntu appeared almost out of nowhere. However, with this new set of tools, it makes me really excited to take a look at Fedora 8. Good job!" http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_8_and_Online_Desktop Jon