From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Apr 1 00:03:37 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:03:37 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1207008217.29751.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? I think I'm OK in principle, but can or should we leave the door open to list other folks here that also sponsor the Fedora project? Dell, IBM to name a couple, HP/Intel in the ia64 space, Sun in the sparc space, Marvell in the ARM space, etc... I'm all for having a little more shadowman in the branding, but I don't want to make it seem like Red Hat is the only one throwing resources behind the project. Then again, I also don't want our artwork to start looking like a NASCAR car. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 00:08:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:38:25 +0530 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour Message-ID: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 not usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla . /"I didn't try a lot of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. And what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light gray background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black screen even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to reproduce: 1. Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 00:10:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:40:12 +0530 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F17D64.8020306@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 not > usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla > . /"I didn't try a > lot of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. > And what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light > gray background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black > screen even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to > reproduce: 1. Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ Ugh. Link at http://www.osnews.com/story/19552/Torvalds_Gets_Sense_of_Humour Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 00:13:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:43:42 +0530 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: <47F17D64.8020306@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> <47F17D64.8020306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F17E36.4010106@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 >> not usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla >> . /"I didn't try a >> lot of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. >> And what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light >> gray background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black >> screen even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to >> reproduce: 1. Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ > > Ugh. Link at > http://www.osnews.com/story/19552/Torvalds_Gets_Sense_of_Humour Digg http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_Youtube_no_workee_Fedora_9_not_usable_for_wife Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Apr 1 00:24:11 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:24:11 -0600 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F180AB.4090304@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Hi, > > Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 > not usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla > . /"I didn't try a > lot of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. > And what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light > gray background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black > screen even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to > reproduce: 1. Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ > > Rahul > Funny indeed. Especially how did he word out the bug report... Nice to see Fedora being acknowledged by him, even if he's posting a bug report on behalf of his wife (you can tell who wears the pants in the house! j/k). From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 00:31:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:01:26 +0530 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: <47F180AB.4090304@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> <47F180AB.4090304@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <47F1825E.50303@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Rahul Sundaram escribi?: >> Hi, >> >> Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 >> not usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla >> . /"I didn't try a >> lot of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. >> And what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light >> gray background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black >> screen even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to >> reproduce: 1. Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ >> >> Rahul >> > > Funny indeed. Especially how did he word out the bug report... Nice to > see Fedora being acknowledged by him, even if he's posting a bug report > on behalf of his wife (you can tell who wears the pants in the house! j/k). You don't have much of a choice when your wife is a six time Finnish Karate champion. Rahul From barrerapablob at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 01:03:07 2008 From: barrerapablob at gmail.com (Pablo Barrera) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:03:07 -0300 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <1207008217.29751.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207008217.29751.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <404f9db40803311803r8757708xf910938a27796f2@mail.gmail.com> Hi all If Fedora really needs a Red Hat logo, son roll back to old redhat versions (i.e Red Hat Community Edition) and thats it... Things will not change because of Fedora takes a more biggest shadowman logo. IHMO Pablo Barrera Fedora Ambassador 2008/3/31, Jesse Keating : > > On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red > Hat" > > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > > that? > > I think I'm OK in principle, but can or should we leave the door open to > list other folks here that also sponsor the Fedora project? Dell, IBM > to name a couple, HP/Intel in the ia64 space, Sun in the sparc space, > Marvell in the ARM space, etc... I'm all for having a little more > shadowman in the branding, but I don't want to make it seem like Red Hat > is the only one throwing resources behind the project. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F1C2D6.5090503@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: | So let me ask you: | | If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red | Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel | about that? isn't this similar to what https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00212.html . that thread was against it (or somewhat against) is what i concluded - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH8cLWXQZpNTcrCzMRAs8UAJ9nVIobjDThOkzU7w7kLVUMmWqJ9wCgtLd3 insrrR8MuQtP+gxwawysq2Q= =cxET -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 1 06:08:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:08:51 +0300 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F1D173.7010409@nicubunu.ro> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red > Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel > about that? But lately we did work to remove the Fedora "bubble" logo from such screens and un-brand the graphics to make the life easier for derivative distros. I can understand both approaches, but I think we should choose one and stick with it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nayyares at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 07:09:07 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:09:07 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing > team. > > But first, a history lesson: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ > > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that > gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? I fully understand what Redhat has done, rather doing a lot to keep alive Fedora, but i am still confused why we need to mention Redhat's affiliation with Fedora through putting its logo or some complementary statements...? while on the other hand we are trying for Fedora's NPO to put it independent project. For a layman prospective i d'nt get idea why a user should know about affiliation of a strong/big company to an open source project...in addition there is a lot in media/press about this affiliation, even in Fedora's history page already mentioned, we as Ambassadors do talk about it as well... In my personal opinion i would rather wish to see Fedora a completely independent project in all aspects, rather known by its parent company. from my side -1 thanks > > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 13:51:27 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: <47F1825E.50303@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> <47F180AB.4090304@prodigy.net.mx> <47F1825E.50303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Linus Torvalds has a sense of humour. /"Youtube no workee - Fedora 9 not >>> usable for wife."/ So begins a bug he filed on Fedora's Bugzilla >>> . /"I didn't try a lot >>> of videos, but I couldn't find a single one that actually worked. And >>> what's the internet without the rick-roll? Some just show a light gray >>> background, some give the play buttons etc, but show only a black screen >>> even when the red ball at the bottom moves along. Steps to reproduce: 1. >>> Install current Fedora 9; 2. Rick-roll!; 3. No profit!"/ >>> >>> Rahul >>> >> >> Funny indeed. Especially how did he word out the bug report... Nice to see >> Fedora being acknowledged by him, even if he's posting a bug report on >> behalf of his wife (you can tell who wears the pants in the house! j/k). > > You don't have much of a choice when your wife is a six time Finnish Karate > champion. "Finnish him!" --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 14:33:05 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:33:05 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/4/1, JoergSimon : > Am Montag, 31. M?rz 2008 23:26:33 schrieb Greg DeKoenigsberg: > > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > > that? > > > Let me answer with a mail i answered to Rahul with a reply from Paul Frields. > I understand it from the RedHat view. But i don?t like this idea! > > cu Joerg > > > > -- > J?rg Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > > ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- > From: "Paul W. Frields" > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? > On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 11:55 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > > Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are > > > not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the > > > recommend procedure at > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > yes > > > > > We don't > > > want to cross post either. Refer > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.ht > > >ml > > > > I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who > > must deal with the consequences of this issue. > > And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don?t > > want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... ) > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-July/msg00086.html > > > > I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there > > are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don?t want. > > > > i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: > > > > "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very > > important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to > > understand that distinction." > > > > so -1 again. > > +1 to Joerg, and -1 to co-branding. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > + 1 From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 14:36:59 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > Go for it! Maybe we can attempt to repair some of the past "damage" > to the brand. I help in correcting lots of people's perceptions that > things are still how they were in the past. > > Now the question is: Is rh_legal OK with this? :) I haven't asked yet. But here's the thing: I CARE A LOT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THAT ABOUT WHAT RH LEGAL THINKS. Because without your support, the Fedora brand is meaningless. Therefore, if I have mostly +1s from you guys, the next stop is probably the Fedora Board -- and then, and *only* then, will I go to RH internal brand / legal folks. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 14:38:51 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> >> So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing >> team. >> >> But first, a history lesson: >> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ >> >> This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand gulf >> between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that gulf >> has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of associating Red >> Hat with Fedora *at all*. >> >> So let me ask you: >> >> If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" >> with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about >> that? > > A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar idea very > recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I shouldn't do > this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. Heh. :) Times change. People do too. But I want to dig deeper into Joerg's objections -- at least, the ones that don't involve quoting me. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From cnegus at rucls.net Tue Apr 1 14:39:27 2008 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:39:27 -0500 Subject: Codecs in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> Could someone tell me what the state of mp3 and other non-free codecs is for Fedora 9? My concern is that I don't see a codeina package and I (like others) am not able to play flash videos from firefox. I'm not taking one position or another on what Fedora should do. However, I would like to be able to tell people how to legally get that stuff in a way that is in line with Fedora Project policies. -- Chris Negus From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 14:39:49 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <1207008217.29751.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207008217.29751.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> >> If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" >> with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about >> that? > > I think I'm OK in principle, but can or should we leave the door open to > list other folks here that also sponsor the Fedora project? Dell, IBM > to name a couple, HP/Intel in the ia64 space, Sun in the sparc space, > Marvell in the ARM space, etc... I'm all for having a little more > shadowman in the branding, but I don't want to make it seem like Red Hat > is the only one throwing resources behind the project. Then again, I > also don't want our artwork to start looking like a NASCAR car. Right. This is the difficulty. In theory, I want to allow space for other sponsors as well, but you're exactly right: we don't want it to look like NASCAR. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 1 14:44:18 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:44:18 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> >> So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora >> marketing team. >> >> But first, a history lesson: >> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ >> >> This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand >> gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, >> that gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of >> associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. >> >> So let me ask you: >> >> If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red >> Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel >> about that? > > A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar idea > very recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I > shouldn't do this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. > Co-branding though is something completely different then putting a cute little Shadowman in some corner saying truthful things. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 14:48:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:18:15 +0530 Subject: Codecs in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> References: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <47F24B2F.90406@fedoraproject.org> Chris Negus wrote: > Could someone tell me what the state of mp3 and other non-free codecs is > for Fedora 9? My concern is that I don't see a codeina package and I > (like others) am not able to play flash videos from firefox. Well, codeina is still there. The plan is to drop the "paid" codecs and only keep the gratis mp3 plugin. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-03-11#head-99b276cb166437476b228e7142d9607b91bc91d8 # yum info codeina Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Installed Packages Name : codeina Arch : noarch Version : 0.10.1 Release : 6.fc9 Size : 369 k Repo : installed Summary : GStreamer Codec Installation Application URL : https://core.fluendo.com/gstreamer/trac/browser/codeina License : GPLv2.1+ Description: Codeina installs codecs for GStreamer. Let us know if you have more questions. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 14:49:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:19:47 +0530 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <47F24B8B.8090007@fedoraproject.org> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >>> >>> So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora >>> marketing team. >>> >>> But first, a history lesson: >>> >>> http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ >>> >>> This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great >>> brand gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's >>> minds, that gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any >>> way of associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. >>> >>> So let me ask you: >>> >>> If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red >>> Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all >>> feel about that? >> >> A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar >> idea very recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I >> shouldn't do this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. >> > > Co-branding though is something completely different then putting a cute > little Shadowman in some corner saying truthful things. I even gave the same wording "sponsored by Red Hat" so maybe your interpretations are different. Read the last sentence of my mail. Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 14:51:47 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> > i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: >> > >> > "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very >> > important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to >> > understand that distinction." >> > >> > so -1 again. >> >> +1 to Joerg, and -1 to co-branding. OK, then, let me propose something different and a bit less intrusive: maybe we could put a "corporate sponsorship" slide into the Anaconda install flow? "Thanks to our corporate sponsors". With a big Shadowman, and then smaller logos from lots of other companies. Since it would just be a single slide, we could make it as NASCAR-y as we wanted. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 14:55:23 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:25:23 +0530 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F24CDB.90505@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >>> > i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: >>> > >>> > "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. >>> Fedora is very >>> > important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really >>> crucial to >>> > understand that distinction." >>> > >>> > so -1 again. >>> >>> +1 to Joerg, and -1 to co-branding. > > OK, then, let me propose something different and a bit less intrusive: > maybe we could put a "corporate sponsorship" slide into the Anaconda > install flow? "Thanks to our corporate sponsors". With a big > Shadowman, and then smaller logos from lots of other companies. Since > it would just be a single slide, we could make it as NASCAR-y as we wanted. If you are going to say thanks and you got space, thank the community too. Even Red Hat Linux Anaconda did that and so did the RHEL 5 promo. Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Apr 1 14:55:27 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:55:27 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F24B8B.8090007@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> <47F24B8B.8090007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F24CDF.9030105@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I even gave the same wording "sponsored by Red Hat" so maybe your > interpretations are different. Read the last sentence of my mail. > > Rahul > There's enough nuance in the subject line to let the last line look completely different then you may have intended. Co-branding !== Showing gratefulness independently -Jeroen From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 14:57:12 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:57:12 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <47F24D48.4060609@fedoraproject.org> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar >> idea very recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I >> shouldn't do this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. >> > > Co-branding though is something completely different then putting a cute > little Shadowman in some corner saying truthful things. Yeh co-branding is sort of putting the two brands at the same level or even combining them into one (E.g. AT&T Wireless & Cingular in the US). That is what I thought you had brought up earlier. What Greg is asking about now is a bit different as the RH brand in the proposed case would be, sort of how when you do a conference T-shirt the main brand is the conference logo and the sponsors are much much smaller brands on the back. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 15:04:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:34:25 +0530 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F24CDF.9030105@kanarip.com> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> <47F24B8B.8090007@fedoraproject.org> <47F24CDF.9030105@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <47F24EF9.3040601@fedoraproject.org> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I even gave the same wording "sponsored by Red Hat" so maybe your >> interpretations are different. Read the last sentence of my mail. >> >> Rahul >> > > There's enough nuance in the subject line to let the last line look > completely different then you may have intended. > > Co-branding !== Showing gratefulness independently The example I gave along with the wikipedia reference which talks about a form of co-branding showing sponsorship information should have made clear what I meant, and this seems to be nitpicking. Anyway, if you agree with the example I gave, then we can just move ahead. Rahul From wtogami at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 15:15:10 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:15:10 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F2517E.6030109@redhat.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > OK, then, let me propose something different and a bit less intrusive: > maybe we could put a "corporate sponsorship" slide into the Anaconda > install flow? "Thanks to our corporate sponsors". With a big > Shadowman, and then smaller logos from lots of other companies. Since > it would just be a single slide, we could make it as NASCAR-y as we wanted. > I wonder if this will bring back the original reason why we got rid of the various pictures in Anaconda. Because we can thank someone, only to have other people we left out upset. We will never remember every individual or company involved. Also how do you justify thanking only corporations and not individuals by name? Just playing devil's advocate here. I'm one of the catalysts leading to Greg's question in this thread. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 1 15:14:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:14:54 +0300 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F2516E.9020407@nicubunu.ro> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > OK, then, let me propose something different and a bit less intrusive: > maybe we could put a "corporate sponsorship" slide into the Anaconda > install flow? "Thanks to our corporate sponsors". With a big > Shadowman, and then smaller logos from lots of other companies. Since > it would just be a single slide, we could make it as NASCAR-y as we wanted. Memories... I remember the time when I used to sit trough the install to read the Anaconda slides: a bit of fun, a bit of Red Hat history, a bit of marketing. Entertaining stuff. If we get such slides back (I wonder who would to the job to create them), I think it absolutely make sense to have one about Red Hat. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 15:14:58 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:14:58 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F24D48.4060609@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> <47F24A42.7060609@kanarip.com> <47F24D48.4060609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/4/1, M?ir?n Duffy : > What Greg is asking about now is a bit different as the RH brand in the > proposed case would be, sort of how when you do a conference T-shirt the > main brand is the conference logo and the sponsors are much much smaller > brands on the back. I think we have to pay attention not to be misunderstood, many times i read in the magazines Red Hat Fedora reviews, not Fedora ones, or people that ask me how to work in RH (O O,) not how to join Fedora Project. I agree to underline the important role of RH in the community and software development (i just expressed my feelingsi days before), but keep attention to not increase such confusion. If you will integrate the logo (the majority express their agreement) please underline "sposored by" or "heavy sponsored by" RH. That's only a suggestion. Regards Francesco Ugolini From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 15:19:02 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <47F2517E.6030109@redhat.com> References: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47F2517E.6030109@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Warren Togami wrote: > I wonder if this will bring back the original reason why we got rid of > the various pictures in Anaconda. Because we can thank someone, only to > have other people we left out upset. We will never remember every > individual or company involved. Every company: a relatively small subset. Red Hat clearly deserves the #1 spot here. Every individual: a simple review of CLA signers. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:33:03 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:33:03 -0500 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing > team. > > But first, a history lesson: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ > > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that > gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. If people don't know there is an association between Fedora and Red Hat I don't think they are paying very much attention. It is already mentioned in the System-About Fedora menu, on the front page of fedoraproject.org, and countless other places. > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? Giving credit and thanks to supporters of the project, whether corporate or individuals, is a good thing. I think choosing which to single out might be difficult to do in a fair manner. How many corporations support Fedora by encouraging/allowing employees to contribute? What level of support is required to have your corporate logo on display? I'd like to maybe be a little more clear about the purpose of doing this. If it is what can we do to make people think Red Hat when they hear Fedora then we are thinking about issues not relevant to this goal (although acknowledging contributors is always a great thing to do). Are there other ways to perhaps accomplish this? When I talk with people about Fedora they always learn about the connection it has to Red Hat, they don't always learn about the connection it has with many other commercial enterprises and the more I think about that the more I feel I do a disservice to other valuable contributors already. A summary of information about which corporations contribute and how would be nice for ambassadors to have access to so they can do more to spread the word about the breadth of support Fedora gets from the commercial community. John From cnegus at rucls.net Tue Apr 1 15:41:31 2008 From: cnegus at rucls.net (Chris Negus) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:41:31 -0500 Subject: Codecs in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <47F24B2F.90406@fedoraproject.org> References: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> <47F24B2F.90406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207064491.2616.37.camel@einstein> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Chris Negus wrote: > > Could someone tell me what the state of mp3 and other non-free codecs is > > for Fedora 9? My concern is that I don't see a codeina package and I > > (like others) am not able to play flash videos from firefox. > > Well, codeina is still there. The plan is to drop the "paid" codecs and > only keep the gratis mp3 plugin. Refer > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-03-11#head-99b276cb166437476b228e7142d9607b91bc91d8 > > # yum info codeina Okay, thanks. It's not on the install DVD or the live CD. So a user who doesn't know about codeina already won't get information about mp3 support. Any possibility codeina might still make it on to those media for Fedora 9? -- Chris Negus From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 1 16:27:45 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:27:45 -0700 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1207067265.30372.523.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:52 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ > > That's ancient history at this point. ... but still the funniest thing I love to go back to re-read. It's like a bruise on your funny bone -- hurts and makes you laugh at the same time. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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In-Reply-To: <47F15EC1.2050604@kanarip.com> References: <47F15EC1.2050604@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1207067402.30372.526.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 23:59 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So let me ask you: > > > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red > > Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel > > about that? > > > > Maybe make it say "Heavily sponsored by Red Hat", as to not get only > half the truth out there. I first read that as "heavenly sponsored by Red Hat", which I think is just a tad bit too much. 'Cause then people like me would be demiurges, and I don't feel that pow'ful. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joerg -- your reply was made to a related but *completely different discussion*. Greg's comment you quoted refers to a policy, not a particular action. Putting any kind of "sponsored by" stuff in Anaconda does not mean we have suddenly changed all of our policy about co-branding. One can still be against the concept of co-branding[1] while still acknowledging sponsorship, partnerships, and other relationships. Co-branding is a big effort; look at the situation with Red Hat and JBoss to see how that is going. Personally, I don't think Fedora needs co-branding to succeed, and it would distract from our mission. But that's really orthogonal to if we want to show some love for Red Hat (and other sponsors), as well as showing lots of love for the community. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding > maybe we could put a "corporate sponsorship" slide into the Anaconda > install flow? "Thanks to our corporate sponsors". With a big Shadowman, > and then smaller logos from lots of other companies. Since it would just > be a single slide, we could make it as NASCAR-y as we wanted. > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 17:13:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:43:05 +0530 Subject: Codecs in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1207064491.2616.37.camel@einstein> References: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> <47F24B2F.90406@fedoraproject.org> <1207064491.2616.37.camel@einstein> Message-ID: <47F26D21.4030708@fedoraproject.org> Chris Negus wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Chris Negus wrote: >>> Could someone tell me what the state of mp3 and other non-free codecs is >>> for Fedora 9? My concern is that I don't see a codeina package and I >>> (like others) am not able to play flash videos from firefox. >> Well, codeina is still there. The plan is to drop the "paid" codecs and >> only keep the gratis mp3 plugin. Refer >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-03-11#head-99b276cb166437476b228e7142d9607b91bc91d8 >> >> # yum info codeina > > Okay, thanks. It's not on the install DVD or the live CD. So a user who > doesn't know about codeina already won't get information about mp3 > support. Any possibility codeina might still make it on to those media > for Fedora 9? That's the plan. Only mp3 support is planned to be retained. Rest of the paid codecs are being ripped out since the board felt that it wasn't consistent with the goals of Fedora. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 17:33:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:03:50 +0530 Subject: Linux Foundation kernel development report Message-ID: <47F271FE.8030703@fedoraproject.org> Hi, https://www.linux-foundation.org/publications/linuxkerneldevelopment.php Lots of good information and metrics. Red Hat is the largest contributing vendor over the last three years. Company name # of total changes submitted None 13.9 Unknown 12.9 Red Hat 11.2 Novell 8.9 IBM 8.3 Intel 4.1 Individually, Al Viro (vfs, locking, system calls etc) and David Miller (networking, sparc etc) from Red Hat are the top two contributors where the top 10 contributors have almost 15% of the changes. Rahul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 18:43:01 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:43:01 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <1207068359.30372.537.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1207068359.30372.537.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <200804012044.01199.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 1. April 2008 18:45:59 schrieb Karsten 'quaid' Wade: > A quick discussion halt here. > > Joerg -- your reply was made to a related but *completely different > discussion*. Greg's comment you quoted refers to a policy, not a > particular action. Karsten, i answered direct to a Topic from Greg called "Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands?" He asked for opinions and in my eyes this answer was related. I would love to explain it more eloquent, but i am not so skilled with the english language. Maybe some of my words are to straight - sorry for that. First off all, as private Person i have a shadowman sticker on my notebook ;-) I will try to explain my personal reasons, why this idea is supect for me. I am not a Marketing Strategic Guy - i am a Fedora Ambassador and i love it, because there is - besides all the work - fun! From my perspective a mix with the RedHat Logo will complicate my work as Ambassador, and this is not fun! ;-) Nothing against a little sponsored by RedHat - but is this just the beginning? Where will this end? What when i want to use a Screenshot or a Artwork for a Poster that contain the RedHat Brand in Relation with Fedora? In the past we Ambassadors in Europe had especially Problems to clarify that a non-RedHat Contributor is not allowed to use the RedHat Brand. And there was endless discussions about it. We had a lot work to do in Europe to tell the people that the Fedoraproject is not a "RedHat-Fanboys use a RedHat produced Community Distribution"-Project! We had also different discussions with the german press, because their articles about Fedora started always with RedHat in the Headline - and that was the wrong exposure. On events i watched other Linux Projects and I always was proud that the FedoraProject was not so obvious dictated by a Company. Some of this so-called Community Projects must pay for the booth - because the Sponsors noise was a little bit to loud. And we in Germany face this Problem also for Fedora. It is Fact , we all want serios evolution for the Fedoraproject and everyone in the Fedoraproject tries to improve and do his "Job" with the best that he can contribute. Think over what would the Fedoraproject win and what would we lose. I can only speak as one Ambassador who cover a lot of events, more loss then win, because i had not one of the visitors who contributed to Fedoraproject because i told him that we are sponsored by RedHat. They have to know that they can use the knowledge from the Fedora Project for their work with RedHat but that is something complete different. I hope my words offended nobody - this was not my intention. I have only one voice but still -1 (the third) ;-) - Cheers -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From peter at thecodergeek.com Tue Apr 1 20:24:02 2008 From: peter at thecodergeek.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:24:02 -0700 Subject: Torvalds Gets Sense of Humour In-Reply-To: References: <47F17CF9.2030604@fedoraproject.org> <47F180AB.4090304@prodigy.net.mx> <47F1825E.50303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207081442.3011.1.camel@werewolf> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 09:51 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > "Finnish him!" > That's horrendous. Sounds like a pun *I* would make! 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People should know: gain fedora experience = gain Red Hat > Linux experience. This is a very important point. I don't know how many people keep saying they're going to learn Linux because they want to work in the enterprise, and run right out and install Ubuntu... Russell From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Apr 2 09:27:53 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:27:53 +0200 Subject: Fedora in the Enterprise (was: Co-branding?) In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130804011750v1fa0aa0bif843b81d41cd7784@mail.gmail.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> <448999300803260215u38ffa915ic39305700b5015f9@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130804011750v1fa0aa0bif843b81d41cd7784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F35199.5010601@kanarip.com> Russell Harrison wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: >> Agree. People should know: gain fedora experience = gain Red Hat >> Linux experience. > > This is a very important point. I don't know how many people keep > saying they're going to learn Linux because they want to work in the > enterprise, and run right out and install Ubuntu... > > Russell > I think this new topic says all I have to say. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:50:17 2008 From: maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com (Maurizio Tessarotto) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:50:17 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: MauRiZioTeX In-Reply-To: <4021fd40804020858s6d100039hf00d531f77f2ab17@mail.gmail.com> References: <4021fd40804020858s6d100039hf00d531f77f2ab17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4021fd40804020950g48844672x204540bf72644aeb@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I'm going to introduce myself: Maurizio Tessarotto, Padova, Italy. I've a Engineering background studies, with a natural vocation and interesting in new product development. So I'm going to take a Master degree in Economics and Marketing. Ok, I can stop with this boring speeches on my studies... I worked for 2 years in a Tourism&Travel firm as a Webmaster & SEO, in the Marketing Team. I was involved in internet marketing, website promotion, pay per click campaigns. I'm working as consultant on many Italian banking and financial firms, helped them on their IT and organization issues (project & portfolio management, business analysis and so on...) Ok, stop again! (these boring speeches about "work life"...) :D I'm a Fedora user since Fedora Core 1 (awesome codename: Yarrow !), and once since Red Hat Linux 7.1 I can't use Fedora on my laptop at work, 'cause an MS Active Directory incompatibility issue: there's not a email client that integrate perfectly the Outlook Calendar function... Damn! And virtualization is too much heavy for my piece of junk (my laptop...). My goals in the Fedora Project: - introduce Fedora in the B2B side (I saw a lot of Suse, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Debian, installed in firm's I'd worked for. Which are Fedora weakness in B2B market?) - pushing Fedora like: "usable for wife", in the B2C market My management skills: - IT Project & Portfolio Management (experienced) - Marketing Strategies (wannabe, not too much experienced) Thanks, and all the best, MauriZioTeX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thx. 2008/4/3, Ricky Zhou : > > On 2008-04-03 02:08:22 PM, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > sorry... but I still don't understand why stop using moinmoin and use > > mediawiki. > > Because Moin's design does not allow it to handle the kind of load that > we need it to (I think we're actually the largest installation). If you > haven't noticed, moin has been outrageously slow/troublesome for many > months now, and many teams really depend on having a reliable wiki. > > Thanks, > > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not that we'd expect to just get what we ask for but being Moin's largest install we'd have thought they would be more interested in keeping us as customers. -Mike > 2008/4/3, Mike McGrath : > > > > Could someone from the marketing team sign up here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration > > > > -Mike > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > From gdk at redhat.com Wed Apr 2 19:42:16 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Themes brainstorming In-Reply-To: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > One of the (cool) tasks that fell out of today's Fedora Marketing > meeting on IRC was gathering some stories to go along with the Fedora > themes of the 4 F's (Freedom, Features, First, and Folks). Those > themes, by the way, are recorded in our Marketing Plan[1]. > > I started a page ??to record these ideas: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories > > Please stop by and add some of the messages you think are important for > Fedora to tell as we push to Fedora 9. > > I would like to hold a brainstorming session for this directly before > the Fedora Marketing meeting next week. Assuming that we meet next week > on Thursday, April 3 at 1900 UTC (3:00pm EDT/12:00pm PDT), I would like > to hold the brainstorming session at 1800 UTC (2:00pm EDT/11:00am PDT). So, who will be attending this brainstorm, and then the subsequent Fedora marketing meeting? I will be at both. :) See everyone at 1800 utc / 2 pm edt for the brainstorm, and 1900 utc / 3pm edt for the marketing meeting. :) --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 2 20:19:26 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:19:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes brainstorming In-Reply-To: References: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F3EA4E.4060806@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So, who will be attending this brainstorm, and then the subsequent > Fedora marketing meeting? I will be at both. :) I'm in ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Apr 2 21:21:41 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Need a wiki delegate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Could someone from the marketing team sign up here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration I'll take care of Marketing and CommunityArchitecture. I updated the page accordingly, and ironically, it failed to commit like 3 times. ;) --Max From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 22:54:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:54:38 -0800 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910804021554k6b473c72ve43326e52bd54fd6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? Would Red Hat be okay with being able to add other "sponsors" in the future, if the Board were able to find other entities to make significant investments into the "make the magic happen" area of how Fedora works? -jef From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 05:10:42 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:10:42 -0500 Subject: Fedora Themes brainstorming In-Reply-To: References: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F466D2.7050808@gmail.com> I'll most likely be around Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> One of the (cool) tasks that fell out of today's Fedora Marketing >> meeting on IRC was gathering some stories to go along with the Fedora >> themes of the 4 F's (Freedom, Features, First, and Folks). Those >> themes, by the way, are recorded in our Marketing Plan[1]. >> >> I started a page ??to record these ideas: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories >> >> Please stop by and add some of the messages you think are important for >> Fedora to tell as we push to Fedora 9. >> >> I would like to hold a brainstorming session for this directly before >> the Fedora Marketing meeting next week. Assuming that we meet next week >> on Thursday, April 3 at 1900 UTC (3:00pm EDT/12:00pm PDT), I would like >> to hold the brainstorming session at 1800 UTC (2:00pm EDT/11:00am PDT). > > So, who will be attending this brainstorm, and then the subsequent > Fedora marketing meeting? I will be at both. :) > > See everyone at 1800 utc / 2 pm edt for the brainstorm, and 1900 utc / > 3pm edt for the marketing meeting. :) > > --g > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nayyares at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 05:58:34 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:58:34 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: MauRiZioTeX In-Reply-To: <4021fd40804020950g48844672x204540bf72644aeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4021fd40804020858s6d100039hf00d531f77f2ab17@mail.gmail.com> <4021fd40804020950g48844672x204540bf72644aeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30804022258x9c26b99k3a9bb463225d887c@mail.gmail.com> welcome on board ! we already have few very excellent contributors from Italy i hope you will join the club :) cheers 2008/4/2 Maurizio Tessarotto : > Hi All, > > I'm going to introduce myself: Maurizio Tessarotto, Padova, Italy. > > I've a Engineering background studies, with a natural vocation and > interesting in new product development. > So I'm going to take a Master degree in Economics and Marketing. > > Ok, I can stop with this boring speeches on my studies... > > I worked for 2 years in a Tourism&Travel firm as a Webmaster & SEO, in the > Marketing Team. I was involved in internet marketing, website promotion, pay > per click campaigns. > > I'm working as consultant on many Italian banking and financial firms, > helped them on their IT and organization issues (project & portfolio > management, business analysis and so on...) > > Ok, stop again! (these boring speeches about "work life"...) :D > > > I'm a Fedora user since Fedora Core 1 (awesome codename: Yarrow !), and > once since Red Hat Linux 7.1 > > I can't use Fedora on my laptop at work, 'cause an MS Active Directory > incompatibility issue: there's not a email client that integrate perfectly > the Outlook Calendar function... Damn! And virtualization is too much heavy > for my piece of junk (my laptop...). > > > My goals in the Fedora Project: > > - introduce Fedora in the B2B side (I saw a lot of Suse, Red Hat, > Ubuntu, Debian, installed in firm's I'd worked for. Which are Fedora > weakness in B2B market?) > > - pushing Fedora like: "usable for wife", in the B2C market > > > My management skills: > - IT Project & Portfolio Management (experienced) > - Marketing Strategies (wannabe, not too much experienced) > > > Thanks, and all the best, > > MauriZioTeX > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:27:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:27:52 +0000 Subject: CD/DVD cover markings Message-ID: <1207229272.4412.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> As I was at a big expo over the course of this week, I discovered our CD/DVD covers need a couple things: 1. A great big link on the back cover to http://fedoraproject.org/ 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for download at that URL. 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. One note could probably accomplish this: Visit http://fedoraproject.org/ to download other Fedora software, or learn how you can help. (No experience necessary.) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(No experience necessary.) > These are all great, but I want to make sure this time that the version number is on the cd jacket somewhere! Every time I hand out one of those Werewolf CDs, the next inevitable question is "What version is this?" Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 18:06:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:06:15 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes brainstorming In-Reply-To: <47F466D2.7050808@gmail.com> References: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47F466D2.7050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207245975.15133.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Surely someone has some stories to donate? We have an easy wiki page and everything: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories We're meeting right now on #fedora-mktg to talk about this in advance of the general Marketing meeting at 1900 UTC. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 19:33:54 2008 From: maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com (Maurizio Tessarotto) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:33:54 +0200 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <20080403160013.80C0C6193D7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080403160013.80C0C6193D7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4021fd40804031233o1d853eeajd115b8e4374b6bb8@mail.gmail.com> > 2008/4/3 Paul W. Frields : > > > As I was at a big expo over the course of this week, I discovered our > > CD/DVD covers need a couple things: > > > > 1. A great big link on the back cover to http://fedoraproject.org/ > > > > 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for download at > > that URL. > > > > 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. > > > > One note could probably accomplish this: > > > > Visit http://fedoraproject.org/ to download other Fedora > > software, or learn how you can help. (No experience necessary.) > > > > These are all great, but I want to make sure this time that the version > number is on the cd jacket somewhere! Every time I hand out one of those > Werewolf CDs, the next inevitable question is "What version is this?" > > Cheers, > > Clint So: > 1. A great big link on the back cover to http://fedoraproject.org/ > > 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for download at > that URL. > > 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. 4. a very big number showing Fedora version, and a smaller codename under or upper the nuber i suggest to append: some kind of short slogan abut the 4F: example: " Four Reason not to miss Fedora 9: Fedora is the First worldest linux distribution to integrate KDE 4 (am I wrong???) Fedora has a reach of richness Features (amarok:listening mp3s, K3B:burning DVDs...) Fedora has a great Foundation that will care of your needs! Feel you Freedom to try Fedora, it's Free. Once you try, you'll push it to yours Friends, SURE!" What do you think about it? Bye, Maurizio. From maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 19:38:18 2008 From: maurizio.tessarotto at gmail.com (Maurizio Tessarotto) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:38:18 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD cover markings Message-ID: <4021fd40804031238r5c1171f2r86844b79fc4603de@mail.gmail.com> > 2008/4/3 Paul W. Frields : > > > As I was at a big expo over the course of this week, I discovered our > > CD/DVD covers need a couple things: > > > > 1. A great big link on the back cover to http://fedoraproject.org/ > > > > 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for download at > > that URL. > > > > 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. > > > > One note could probably accomplish this: > > > > Visit http://fedoraproject.org/ to download other Fedora > > software, or learn how you can help. (No experience necessary.) > > > > These are all great, but I want to make sure this time that the version > number is on the cd jacket somewhere! Every time I hand out one of those > Werewolf CDs, the next inevitable question is "What version is this?" > > Cheers, > > Clint So: 1. A great big link on the back cover to http://fedoraproject.org/ 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for download at that URL. 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. 4. a very big number showing Fedora version, and a smaller codename under or upper the number i suggest to append: some kind of short slogan abut the 4F: example: " Four Reason not to miss Fedora 9: Fedora is the First worldest linux distribution to integrate KDE 4 (am I wrong???) Fedora has a reach of richness Features (amarok:listening mp3s, K3B:burning DVDs...) Fedora has a great Foundation that will care of your needs! Feel you Freedom to try Fedora, it's Free. Once you try, you'll push it to yours Friends, SURE!" What do you think about it? Bye, Maurizio. From kwade at redhat.com Thu Apr 3 20:12:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:12:40 -0700 Subject: SSS update Message-ID: <1207253560.4585.50.camel@calliope.phig.org> Turns out I won't be able to make the Fedora Marketing meeting at all today, so here is my task update. :) The Single Source Summary (SSS) is managed by the Docs team, but several areas of the content need Marketing content/approval. If you haven't seen it, Paul did a simple diagram that explains the SSS, available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary#head-7a661f2dce8c4db7c60e81fa4533dfb588df9af4 The current task list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SingleSourceSummary The particular areas that we need work from the Marketing side are: * Talking points for release announcements * Press release material The tricky part about the press release material is that it may duplicate other content, but needs to be written in a 'press voice'. The task on that page has some details about how to do this and keep content in sync with other parts of the SSS. The talking points task is explained on that page. That one is timely; the schedule for the localized release announcements still needs to be worked out. Also, if anyone wants to help with the release announcements task, the content needs to be moved from here to a better location, but this explains what we did last time: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 21:36:00 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: Call for Stories. Message-ID: <1207258560.15133.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> Refer to: http://paul.frields.org/?p=966 We're looking for Fedora Stories -- a person who wants to talk about how Fedora has enabled them to do something interesting or exciting with the innovative technology we provide. We want to use these stories as part of the bigger Marketing Plan for Fedora.[1] The story doesn't have to be about you, but we do want to have a person to contact to talk about it.* ("My neighbor Joe does pro bono work, building web servers for public service groups based on Fedora.") * Don't post Joe's info, just yours. We'll get back to you, promise. The story can be about something you're making for Fedora consumption, as long as you include what makes it important or cool. ("I'm making a new bug tracker, because all the rest of them are too hard for regular people to use to contribute.") Visit: http://paul.frields.org/?p=966 -- and post a comment with your story! = = = [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 21:36:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:36:07 -0400 Subject: Codecs in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <47F26D21.4030708@fedoraproject.org> References: <8e1ee2a30804010009s11748af6jdd1cbb6727ec611d@mail.gmail.com> <1207060767.2616.19.camel@einstein> <47F24B2F.90406@fedoraproject.org> <1207064491.2616.37.camel@einstein> <47F26D21.4030708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207258567.15133.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 22:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Chris Negus wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Chris Negus wrote: > >>> Could someone tell me what the state of mp3 and other non-free codecs is > >>> for Fedora 9? My concern is that I don't see a codeina package and I > >>> (like others) am not able to play flash videos from firefox. > >> Well, codeina is still there. The plan is to drop the "paid" codecs and > >> only keep the gratis mp3 plugin. Refer > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-03-11#head-99b276cb166437476b228e7142d9607b91bc91d8 > >> > >> # yum info codeina > > > > Okay, thanks. It's not on the install DVD or the live CD. So a user who > > doesn't know about codeina already won't get information about mp3 > > support. Any possibility codeina might still make it on to those media > > for Fedora 9? > > That's the plan. Only mp3 support is planned to be retained. Rest of the > paid codecs are being ripped out since the board felt that it wasn't > consistent with the goals of Fedora. Re: our Tuesday meeting 1-April... Notwithstanding our criticism of codeina the way it's currently implemented, we felt that making this change at a late point in the game (post-feature freeze) without a clear replacement roadmap was not the best decision, and that we'll revisit this immediately post-Fedora 9 to plan for a better solution in Fedora 10. 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URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Fri Apr 4 02:22:41 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:22:41 -0400 Subject: Store SIG IRC Meeting Log - 2008-04-02 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804031922o41eb5ab7oc13949eb2b8e80a3@mail.gmail.com> The IRC log from Wednesday's Fedora Store SIG is below: 14:00 < iWolf> Any one around for a Store SIG meeting? 14:01 < tw2113> i am available 14:01 < iWolf> cool, we'll see if more folks show up or not. 14:01 < iWolf> should be a short meeting regardless. 14:02 < tw2113> i'm just being a bum applying for a part time job and seeing how many 5 year old kids i could take in a fight 14:03 < iWolf> lol 14:03 < tw2113> http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/ <------for your wtf moment 14:03 < iWolf> how many 5 years olds are you to? 14:03 < EvilBob> tw2113: I know my number 14:03 * iWolf bets EvilBob has a high number 14:03 < EvilBob> tw2113: 1 girl 14:03 < tw2113> touche bob 14:04 < EvilBob> tw2113: but she will kill me on even a slightly off day 14:04 < EvilBob> the boys it would take about a dozen I think 14:04 < EvilBob> but they are only 2 and 3 14:05 < EvilBob> doing daycare is fun really 14:05 < tw2113> until the poo hits the diaper 14:05 < EvilBob> except for the whining and bathroom stuff 14:05 < iWolf> Okay, 5 after and have two folks! 14:06 < iWolf> So, uh - world's shortest meeting. 14:06 < EvilBob> 14:06 < iWolf> I received my test shirt from spreadshirt.com and the quality was better than cafepress.com by a good margin. 14:06 < EvilBob> Cool 14:06 < iWolf> the colors of the logo were just a touch off, but only really noticeable when compared to a color accurate shirt. 14:06 < iWolf> jas 14:07 < tw2113> we could probably talk to them about the colors too 14:07 < iWolf> sorry, back. 14:07 < iWolf> i asked if they could make them off the CMYK values or not and they said no. 14:08 < iWolf> so i am going to ask the french folks if they just ran with it or what they did. 14:08 < iWolf> because they are currently using spreadshirt. 14:08 < tw2113> sounds like a good plan 14:08 < iWolf> it seems in order to get things printed fast, these places don't have much interest in CMYK values. 14:09 < tw2113> that sounds really odd 14:09 < tw2113> because printing is based on it 14:09 < iWolf> yeah, i may have just had a support person that was not fully knowledgeable. 14:09 < iWolf> which is why i want to check with the french ambassadors to see if they are doing anything different. 14:10 < iWolf> quality of the shirt and the printing was good though. 14:10 < axelilly> were the colors off to really be much of an issue? 14:10 < iWolf> and we can have a US based store and a UK based store for Europe to cover some of the bigger regions. 14:11 < iWolf> axelilly: to be honest, when i opened the box, i was really impressed. then i compared it to anotehr screen printed shirt i have and saw they were off a bit. 14:11 < iWolf> whereas the cafepress shirt, i knew as soon as i opened it that it was wrong. 14:11 < iWolf> so, they weren't horribly off. 14:11 < EvilBob> You know after you wear and wash them a few times nothing will match 14:11 < iWolf> EvilBob: very true. 14:11 < axelilly> EvilBob: good point 14:12 < iWolf> and it was close enough it may not matter given the need to go with print on demand. 14:12 < EvilBob> Even the current shirts are not perfect 14:12 < axelilly> iWolf: I think it's a good sign that you were 'impressed' when you opened the box 14:12 < iWolf> so, i will see if the french ambassadors did anything different or if they are printing in the same manner i had the test shirt done. 14:13 < EvilBob> The current shirts are a hanes tagless, a nice shirt really 14:13 * axelilly checks to see if there is a tag upgrade 14:13 < tw2113> i have one from brandfuel somewhere here in my apartment 14:13 < iWolf> The spreadshirt one was a heavyweight tagless as well, so the shirt seemed to be of good quality. 14:13 < EvilBob> iWolf: +1 14:14 < iWolf> i don't have a brandfuel one to look at - mine are from a local shop who did a great job, and cafepress, a vendor Thomas Chung used and now spreadshirt. 14:14 < axelilly> iWolf: was there any price difference between spreadshirt and cafepress? 14:14 < iWolf> axelilly: they are both sort of pricey, with spreadshirt being about a $1 higher i think. 14:14 * EvilBob has seen both really nice and really bad stuff from cafepress 14:15 < axelilly> the additional $1 may be worth it for the quality reliability of the product. 14:15 < iWolf> my next step is going to be to bring Max back into the loop for additional feedback 14:15 < EvilBob> I think it might be 14:15 < iWolf> axelilly: yeah, the cafepress shirt was pretty bad. 14:15 < iWolf> the colors were obviously off and the printing was smudged. 14:15 < iWolf> i don't even consider them an option from what i saw on my test shirt. 14:16 < iWolf> in fact, i requested a refund from them - which on their behalf they were very cool about. 14:16 < EvilBob> iWolf: I will second that opinion 14:16 < tw2113> they probably get that a lot 14:16 -!- fabian_a [n=fabian at 77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fedora-mktg 14:16 < tw2113> depends on how prominent the refund link is on their website 14:16 < EvilBob> if it was bad lets just drop them 14:17 < iWolf> cafrepress does advertise they will do a 30 refund if you aren't satisfied. 14:17 < EvilBob> we don't want crappy product IMO 14:17 < EvilBob> even if they give a refund 14:17 < axelilly> EvilBob: +1 14:17 < iWolf> EvilBob: that's my thoughts, regardless of customer service we would rather people not be disappointed.14:17 < iWolf> though i haven't returned anything to spreadshirt, they have always answered my questions in under 24 hours. 14:17 < axelilly> yea, it's important to make Fedora look good with good product 14:18 < iWolf> i *wish* we could do a storefront with some inventory, as i think we could really get high quality stuff, but we aren't there yet. 14:18 < EvilBob> one step at a time 14:18 < iWolf> EvilBob: i agree. 14:18 -!- pingou [n=Pingou at fedora/pingou] has joined #fedora-mktg 14:19 < axelilly> just to clarify for myself...all product will be 'on demand' at this point? 14:19 < iWolf> axelilly: all product for "end users" would be on demand. 14:19 < iWolf> for ambassadors who need items in bulk, we would refer them to the AmbassadorVendor page in the wiki. 14:19 < axelilly> ok 14:19 < iWolf> where we are trying to list places that have worked with us in the past. 14:20 < iWolf> bulk orders through the print on demand places are still much higher than from an actual print shop. 14:20 < iWolf> the goal is to have a store.fp.o page that points folks to the appropriate place and highlights some fo the products they could order. 14:21 < tw2113> i imagine no one has done a mockup yet for that 14:21 < iWolf> s/fo/of 14:21 < iWolf> tw2113: nope! not yet. 14:21 < tw2113> mockups are a bit of a sore spot for me from a recent job interview 14:21 < tw2113> so i may end up taking that on just for some experience 14:21 < iWolf> i am hoping once we settle on a place, that we can get someone to step up on that. 14:22 < iWolf> :) i saw that in your blog and nearly posted a comment saying i knew a place you could get some mockup experience... 14:22 * axelilly is not very artistic 14:22 * iWolf is not artistic either 14:22 < iWolf> though i have threatened to do a mockup 14:22 < tw2113> yeah 14:23 < EvilBob> more autistic than artistic some days 14:23 < tw2113> i just put it down on my evolving "to do" list 14:23 < iWolf> tw2113: sounds good. 14:23 < axelilly> well, some times you gotta just do it 14:23 < iWolf> and that's where the Store SIG is at today. 14:23 < iWolf> slow, but steady progress. 14:23 < iWolf> anyone have any questions? 14:24 < axelilly> I do 14:24 < tw2113> what's the square root of 42 squared? 14:24 < axelilly> where will the money that the store generates go? 14:24 < pingou> 42 ? 14:24 * axelilly looks for his bank account number ;) 14:25 < iWolf> axelilly: it will all go back to the project in some fashion. i don't think any of us are looking to make lots of money and will probably sell items at just enough to pay for any administrative fees. 14:25 < tw2113> the answer to life the universe and everything my friends 14:25 < iWolf> for example, spreadshirt will let you upgrade your store for more cusomizatio options. 14:25 < axelilly> yea, I figured there was some kind of account that holds fedora money some where 14:25 < EvilBob> I woudl think that if there is any profit we could/should use it to help off set expenses for supplies for ambassadors 14:26 < iWolf> axelilly: a lot of the money portion will be coordinated with Max. 14:26 < axelilly> sounds good 14:26 < iWolf> anybody else have a question before we wrap up? 14:26 < EvilBob> Not I 14:27 < axelilly> no 14:27 < tw2113> fin 14:27 < iWolf> and I think tw2113 answered his own question. 14:27 < iWolf> ;) 14:28 < tw2113> the question about "42" is how you can apply it to yourself 14:28 < iWolf> then we'll call it a meeting. i will post the log to the list. 14:28 < iWolf> 14:28 < iWolf> thanks for attending and the feedback, much appreciated! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 4 08:37:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:07:55 +0530 Subject: Fedora Directory Server Rocks!!! Message-ID: <47F5E8E3.8080806@fedoraproject.org> http://sahilahuja.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/fedora-directory-server-rocks/ "To my pleasant surprise they have the concept of ?install scripts?. I felt like a king when the script asked me, ?What would you like your domain root to be? Usually, you should keep it the same as your fully qualified domain name?. A smile appeared on my face. I knew the meaning of true happiness then." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 4 10:55:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:25:32 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Beta - my review Message-ID: <47F60924.4090401@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://silentcoder.co.za/silentcoder/?p=312 "Actually I would say Fedora has become the Haute Couture of GNU/Linux. It is constantly creating and showcasing new technologies that will be fundamental in other distro?s a year from now (remember who actually wrote NetworkManager ?). " "Conclusions: I really like it so far. It?s a nice system and could become the easiest and most powerful desktop I?ve used in the GNU/Linux world in a long time. However it has serious problems with people who already have installations, several of them which took some serious expertise to work around. This definitely needs to be resolved before stable release if Fedora is to get the success that I truly believe this version deserves." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 4 11:12:11 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:42:11 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: MauRiZioTeX In-Reply-To: <4021fd40804020950g48844672x204540bf72644aeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4021fd40804020858s6d100039hf00d531f77f2ab17@mail.gmail.com> <4021fd40804020950g48844672x204540bf72644aeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F60D0B.2000200@fedoraproject.org> Maurizio Tessarotto wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm going to introduce myself: Maurizio Tessarotto, Padova, Italy. > > I've a Engineering background studies, with a natural vocation and > interesting in new product development. > So I'm going to take a Master degree in Economics and Marketing. > > Ok, I can stop with this boring speeches on my studies... > > I worked for 2 years in a Tourism&Travel firm as a Webmaster & SEO, in > the Marketing Team. I was involved in internet marketing, website > promotion, pay per click campaigns. > > I'm working as consultant on many Italian banking and financial firms, > helped them on their IT and organization issues (project & portfolio > management, business analysis and so on...) > > Ok, stop again! (these boring speeches about "work life"...) :D > > > I'm a Fedora user since Fedora Core 1 (awesome codename: Yarrow !), and > once since Red Hat Linux 7.1 > > I can't use Fedora on my laptop at work, 'cause an MS Active Directory > incompatibility issue: there's not a email client that integrate > perfectly the Outlook Calendar function... Damn! And virtualization is > too much heavy for my piece of junk (my laptop...). > > > My goals in the Fedora Project: > > - introduce Fedora in the B2B side (I saw a lot of Suse, Red Hat, > Ubuntu, Debian, installed in firm's I'd worked for. Which are Fedora > weakness in B2B market?) > > - pushing Fedora like: "usable for wife", in the B2C market > > > My management skills: > - IT Project & Portfolio Management (experienced) > - Marketing Strategies (wannabe, not too much experienced) Welcome to Fedora marketing. Keep an eye on this list and help us if you find something you can contribute. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 12:45:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:45:55 +0000 Subject: Fedora story brainstorm - IRC log and summary Message-ID: <1207313155.4750.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> SSIA. SUMMARY: -------- * Need stories of: * FOLKS - People who use Fedora for general interest purposes (humanitarianism, multimedia/entertainment, scientific research) * FEATURES - Developers pimping their wares * ACTION: PAUL to post blog entry asking for people to dig up these stories. [ DONE ] * ACTION: GREG to herd Marketing people to Digg that blog post, and respond. IRC FREENODE LOG #fedora-mktg, 2008-04-03: (*Times are UTC-4) ------------------------------------------ [14:02] OK, let's start talking about Fedora Stories [14:02] tell ours first? [14:02] :) [14:03] Freedom. Folks. Features. First [14:03] *sigh [14:03] No real discussion on list about additional stories -- no wiki edits... [14:03] food folks and fun [14:03] Yep. [14:04] Let's have some story love! [14:04] We need to be more nagg-y. [14:04] f8 artwork! [14:04] i'll tell how i got introduced to fedora [14:04] mizmo: You're #1 on the list, bay-bee [14:04] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories [14:04] do tell tw2113 [14:04] "Folks"! [14:05] we have a lot of interesting personalities [14:05] [14:05] * gregdek waits... [14:05] it was my last semester of college here in SD, and there was an odd class requirement [14:05] "Operating Environments" [14:05] doing administrative tasks in different OS's [14:05] my teacher chose XP and Fedora Core 6 [14:05] [14:05] * gregdek afk for a few... bbiab [14:05] so through virtual machines, I was playing around with them [14:06] windoze I had done pretty much all before, but this linux thing was new to me [14:06] it wasn't even using X11, all command line [14:06] long story short, a year later, I'm fully entrenched and not going back [14:07] and have since joined various fedora teams, and have a struggle between professional graphic design and OSS software preference [14:07] when we talk about features, do they have to be features that fedora is the upstream for? [14:07] OK, tw2113 -- how do we turn that into a general message about *Fedora*? [14:07] good question [14:07] mizmo: I think it's good for us to spin Features where they involve Fedora *innovation* [14:08] I mean, everyone can say they have NetworkManager, for instance, but who grew it? [14:08] Same for SELinux... [14:08] Many others... [14:08] virt manager [14:08] re-spins [14:08] func [14:08] cobbler! [14:08] cobbler [14:08] yes [14:08] peach cobbler [14:08] not sure how many other distros offer the self-respinning capabilities [14:08] yum [14:08] I mean, not yum, but yummy [14:09] cobbler? [14:09] [14:09] * tw2113 googles [14:09] http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/ I believe [14:09] ah [14:09] i think cobbler would be a good story [14:10] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/10/cobbler-how-to-set-up-a-network-boot-server-in-10-minutes/ [14:10] mizmo: I agree [14:10] Great systems management and deployment tool [14:10] it would be under features [14:11] func too i think [14:11] ill add them to the wiki? [14:11] I'd like to lump those together in a thematic way if possible [14:11] mizmo: Sure! [14:11] func + cobbler = easy system deployment and monitoring [14:11] stolen from an IBM ad, but maybe we could use this somehow [14:11] "collecting data is the first step towards wisdom, sharing data is the first step towards community." [14:12] I want to make sure, though, that we're concentrating on Fedora specific messages [14:12] true [14:12] Not just why open source is great, why *FEDORA* is great [14:12] how about smolt [14:12] Concrete examples [14:12] we share our data thru smolt [14:12] about our install base [14:12] so when we make claims of so many installs we have the data to back it [14:13] unlike... :) [14:13] heh [14:13] mark shuttleworth [14:13] I would like to see more smolt participation -- need to talk about that at community events with other distro leaders [14:13] * stickster hopes quaid is listening for his CommunityOne appearance [14:14] Let's show off the numbers! [14:14] would smolt be features + first? [14:14] Absolutely [14:14] [14:14] * tw2113 things we need a coffee machine bot [14:14] thinks* [14:15] we need more freedom and folks [14:16] package kit is something fedora folks have been working upstream on [14:16] hmm [14:16] how about console kit? [14:16] oh [14:16] ConsoleKit/PolicyKit are cool [14:16] But they're a little hard for everyman to understand [14:16] features + first: changing wallpapers with the time of day [14:17] i mean, its kind of silly but also innovative [14:17] Ooo, shiny! [14:17] There you go [14:17] freedom + folks.... [14:17] It's actually a really helpful speaking tool to be able to point to "the great AND the small" [14:17] That's small, sure, but it's lovely and makes people smile [14:17] :) [14:17] you have searchable documented work that you can show to a potential employer? [14:18] tw2113, ? [14:18] showing complete thought process from implementation to final result [14:18] That plays well into our "everything is open" message [14:18] kind of thinking out loud and trying to contribute to the brainstorming [14:18] so everything we work on iso ut in the open in irc mailing lists and wiki? [14:19] thats definitely freedom + folks but i dont know if it is so different from other distros [14:19] * stickster tries not to shut down the brainstorming, will hold critiques until we gather everything [14:19] yeah [14:19] ooooh [14:19] but that gives me an idea tw2113 [14:19] how about our asterisk set up and gobby setups? [14:19] As we come out with ideas, let's just think about the guidelines for Fedora Stories -- they're stories. About Fedora. :-) [14:19] i dont think other distros has stuff like that [14:20] WE EAT ALL OUR OWN DOGFOOD. [14:20] yep [14:20] No closed source stuff here, thanks [14:20] freedom [14:20] and First (anywhere) [14:20] Well, I guess you could say HURD there too. [14:20] But what do/did they have for infrastructure? [14:20] how about debian? [14:21] Yeah, true dat. [14:21] so specifically dogfood wrt infrastructure? [14:21] (even then tho debians maybe be dogfood) [14:21] Even there we might not be first. [14:21] I can live with just Freedom. [14:21] freedom for sure [14:21] OTOH it's a Feature too [14:21] A Feature of our community is we build on our own work [14:22] yep [14:22] ! [14:22] evolve and share [14:22] can we talk about particular 'customer' usages of fedora [14:22] eg, x organization uses fedora [14:22] for this purpose [14:22] eg olpc [14:22] [14:22] * gregdek wants to see dozens of beautiful short stories with awesome single sentence titles. [14:23] gregdek: right on [14:23] and pictures [14:23] OLPC is a big hit everywhere. [14:23] Saw it this week at the expo. [14:23] Everyone knows about it. [14:23] ...hmm. [14:23] * stickster thinks OLPC has spent too little time capitalizing on their own PR. [14:23] My $0.02? I'm not sure this is the best time to say a lot about the Fedora/OLPC relationship. [14:24] ? [14:24] can you think of other organizations making use of Fedora [14:24] Wikia. [14:24] Dreamworks. [14:24] Max mentioned Pixar to me the other day. [14:24] NASA [14:24] NASA is a good one [14:25] i remember that blog post was really popular [14:25] would those all be 'folks' ? [14:25] Yeah, although as with all large orgs, the question is "who wants to say something publicly?" [14:25] Yeah. [14:25] is it okay to put them on the wiki? [14:25] Yes, but do we need quotes from them for this initiative? [14:25] The key is not "NASA does this!" It's "Joe at NASA does this!" [14:25] Ah [14:25] To personalize the story, then. [14:25] The story should always be about Joe, IMHO, and never about NASA. [14:25] Right. [14:25] Folks. [14:26] not necessarily quotes just a story about what cool stuff joe does with fedora there [14:26] NASA should be the hook, but Joe is the story. [14:26] So we need to make it a point to personify the other stories we're taking down. [14:26] For some values of "NASA" and "Joe". :) [14:26] I think so. Absolutely. [14:26] So let's continue taking ideas [14:27] Then we divvy up the list, and each of us finds people for the story. [14:27] http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/432 [14:27] thats a good one [14:28] helping the hungry [14:28] wasn't there recently someone on the marketing mailing list that talked about his corporation using fedora? [14:28] yeh i dont remember if he gave specifics or not tho [14:28] is fedora used in any embedded devices [14:29] i think for freedom we should talk about our stance on codecs maybe [14:29] i remember something about airplane setups [14:29] and redistributability [14:29] can't recall if it was fedora or just linux in general [14:29] hi [14:29] tw2113: There was a guy from a company selling Fedora pre-installed desktops. [14:29] oh yeh i think smoebody on planet at one point mentioned fedora being used in the plane entertainment system? [14:30] hey fugolini [14:30] mizmo: I like the foodbank story -- we should get an update to find out if Fedora is still being used there [14:31] I just asked him on his blog for an update. [14:31] *jinx [14:31] * stickster was just writing the same thing [14:31] i bet jack has collected some interesting stories from unis on the tour? [14:31] :) [14:32] Yes, if we can squeeze them out of him! [14:32] halfline used to live next door to a guy that worked on the weather map displays for cable networks, i think he said they used fedora [14:32] that was a couple years ago tho [14:33] for first and features, maybe fedora directory server? [14:35] How can we find people using FDS in cool places? [14:35] Ask. [14:35] Everywhere we can. [14:35] And give them an easy way to give us an answer we can use. [14:35] mugshot? [14:35] or is that more red hat sponsored [14:35] Mugshot is very hand-wavy to me. [14:36] fair enough :) [14:36] stickster: Actually, my answer for FDS is the same as for Fedora in general. [14:36] We should be asking everyone we know to dig for cool Fedora stories for the next month. [14:37] The key is the call-to-action. [14:37] And editing a Fedora wiki probably isn't it. [14:37] heres a blog someone at BMC wrote about Fedora http://talk.bmc.com/blogs/blog-carl/steve-carl/Fedora-7-for-the-office [14:38] "We use Fedora a great deal inside R&D Support as desktop OS's, and even more importantly, we use it as a R&D production data center OS. Our current Tier II storage server (as noted in my NAS series of postings a week or two ago) is Fedora Core 6 based." [14:38] most of the article is kind of against fedora tho as being unsuitable for desktop and too bleeding edge [14:38] "As noted in the last post, Fedora was pretty handy at exposing a bleeding edge NFS V4 protocol issue. Fedora as a technology preview is pretty much unrivaled. If you want to know what is coming soon from other distros, it is hard to beat. They are usually a kernel revision or two ahead of anyone else. Almost all their package sets are about as fresh as they can be and not still be in the "Cooker"... and maybe in some cases some packages [14:38] should have still been in development only trees, but those issues usually get fixed very quickly." [14:39] Yeah, that doesn't look like a ringing endorsement to me, actually. [14:39] [14:39] * gregdek thinks. [14:39] Nope [14:40] [14:40] * tw2113 feels like he hasn't paid quite enough attention to instances in life to really brainstorm well [14:40] So "Folks" is a case where we're looking for as many cool stories as we can. [14:40] "Features" is a case where we're looking for *developers* to talk about *their cool stuff*. [14:40] gregdek: This is where having a blog.fedoraproject.org would come in handy. [14:40] People could respond directly without account nonsense in a central place. [14:40] Why? Not sure I follow. [14:41] Maybe we could hijack a Truth Happens slot? [14:41] I mean, we could get responses on any one of our livejournal accounts. [14:41] I mean, you as FPL could say "I'm looking for great Fedora stories," and then we link to your specific post over and over again, and watch as the number of posts goes up and up. [14:42] Already writing it [14:42] :) [14:42] The only problem I see, though -- [14:42] over time that disappears from the front page of my blog. [14:42] Doesn't matter. [14:42] make a static page [14:42] What matters is that we continue to reference it. [14:42] This is where a CMS truly comes in handy, because that can be a gift that keeps on giving, by being up front on a landing page too. [14:42] if we want [14:43] Drive-by contributions without having to find me from the Planet, or wherever. [14:43] Nevertheless... [14:43] * stickster writes some more [14:43] I mean, hell, we just switch out the current "FedoraStories" page on the wiki with a link to your blog post. [14:43] someone could write up what is wanted to say, and i could create a static page on my hosting [14:43] Right, exactly. [14:43] It's just a lot of pointers to this one blog post that we want to fill to the brim with responses. [14:43] Regardless, we need to collect. [14:44] Once I put this up, we can link it in a ton of community-visible places [14:44] Post to lists, etc. [14:44] +1. [14:44] And then get that post dugg. :) [14:45] research projects using fedora for folks? http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=fedora+linux&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search [14:46] http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2105/6/287 [14:46] Oo. [14:47] dna analysis tool running on fedora [14:47] i wonder what those open source movies were done on [14:48] digital preservation study using fedora http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1336207 [14:49] damn, blender.org is down right now [14:49] The more contemporary the article, the better the story [14:49] And the more likely we'll find a person to stand beside it [14:50] "Java Based Automatic Curriculum Generator for Children with Trisomy 21" that uses Fedora http://www.waset.org/pwaset/v26/v26-48.pdf [14:50] So these are all good snippets. [14:50] Who is capturing them in short story form? [14:50] :) [14:51] tw2113, they use ubuntu for elephants dream [14:51] [14:51] * tw2113 shakes fish [14:53] i know that Big Buck Bunny, which is the next one they're doing, is scheduled for this month [14:53] i may have to keep an eye on their uses [14:53] I really wish that Elephant's Dream hadn't been so awful. [14:53] No one is so honest as disinterested 13 year olds for assessing the aesthetic value of a film. :/ [14:53] it was just short and weird [14:53] Well, Ratatouille was made on Fedora. [14:53] gregdek: Story, story, stroy. [14:54] oh oh [14:54] But I don't know if we can say that yet. :) [14:54] how about sony & ps3 [14:54] Yeah! [14:54] ah yes, yellow dog is fedora derived [14:54] im seeing something about the cell processors being developed using fedora [14:54] mizmo: disco [14:55] [14:55] * tw2113 looks at his coffee mug.......it runs red hat [14:55] gregdek: Didn't the Intel CTO talk about something similar at the Summit a couple years ago? [14:55] im lokoing for a better source tho, i just saw someone saying osmething about it in a forum [14:55] ut oh, brainstorming session is almost done [14:56] regular meeting to follow? [14:56] Yep. [14:56] In five. [14:56] Although I'm thinking we may have all the same attendees. [14:57] "In November 2005, IBM released a "Cell Broadband Engine (CBE) Software Development Kit Version 1.0", consisting of a simulator and assorted tools, to its web site. Development versions of the latest kernel and tools for Fedora Core 4 are maintained at the Barcelona Supercomputing Center website.[45]" [14:57] i wish i knew someone at SCEA [14:57] what does Creative Commons use? [14:57] f8? [14:58] ooh, the Creative commons live cd perhaps? [14:58] Oh yeah. [14:58] No brainer on the CC live cd. We need to get Jon Phillips to talk it up. [14:59] Freedom + Folks right there [14:59] mizmo: Are you still editing the Stories page? [15:00] stickster, no it errored out on mer [15:00] Doh! [15:00] pulseaudio might be another feature [15:00] OK, so stickster: we'll keep an eye out for your page and start pimping it? [15:01] Yes [15:01] I'm working on it on the side, gathering some of these links as examples and asking for more. [15:01] I think that will cover "folks". [15:01] [15:01] * fugolini has to leave you (sorry...) [15:01] s/side/side of this screen/. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rsuehle at redhat.com Fri Apr 4 15:24:31 2008 From: rsuehle at redhat.com (Ruth Suehle) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:24:31 -0400 Subject: Call for Stories. In-Reply-To: <1207258560.15133.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207258560.15133.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F6482F.9050200@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Visit: http://paul.frields.org/?p=966 -- and post a comment with your > story! > Reposted here as well: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/04/04/how-do-you-use-fedora/ From bche at redhat.com Fri Apr 4 20:37:43 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:37:43 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: -Cointelligence -Compunity -Dream -Group Think -Nightlife -Re-Cycle -REM Cycle -Sandman -Shepherd -Sleepwalker -Trellis -Turbine Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. Thanks, Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > project > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've > attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just > suggestions and starting points for conversation. > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a week > and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > project. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 4 20:50:18 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:20:18 +0530 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Cointelligence > -Compunity > -Dream > -Group Think > -Nightlife > -Re-Cycle > -REM Cycle > -Sandman > -Shepherd > -Sleepwalker > -Trellis > -Turbine > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. Sleepwalker gets a +1 from me. Rahul From gelios at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 20:53:38 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:53:38 +0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <448999300804041353u4c72edffj69b92670c9aa4495@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bryan Che wrote: > > > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > > > -Cointelligence > > -Compunity > > -Dream > > -Group Think > > -Nightlife > > -Re-Cycle > > -REM Cycle > > -Sandman > > -Shepherd > > -Sleepwalker > > -Trellis > > -Turbine > > > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. > > > > Sleepwalker gets a +1 from me. > > Rahul > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > and +1 from me for Sleepwalkers From scott at tekkie.org Fri Apr 4 20:57:53 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:27:53 -0230 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <448999300804041353u4c72edffj69b92670c9aa4495@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> <448999300804041353u4c72edffj69b92670c9aa4495@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d0809e40804041357i62ddbd4er1f694e4da2455386@mail.gmail.com> +1 sleepwalkers On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > Bryan Che wrote: > > > > > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid > project: > > > > > > -Cointelligence > > > -Compunity > > > -Dream > > > -Group Think > > > -Nightlife > > > -Re-Cycle > > > -REM Cycle > > > -Sandman > > > -Shepherd > > > -Sleepwalker > > > -Trellis > > > -Turbine > > > > > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > > declare a winner. 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"We've too much data to process, let's use [Fedora] _____." "Rendered on [Fedora] _____." ???) (+0.5 Sandman aka Dream aka ...) Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Cointelligence > -Compunity > -Dream > -Group Think > -Nightlife > -Re-Cycle > -REM Cycle > -Sandman > -Shepherd > -Sleepwalker > -Trellis > -Turbine > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > > Bryan Che wrote: >> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >> project >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help >> us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've >> attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just >> suggestions and starting points for conversation. >> >> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >> this project. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 4 21:48:09 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:48:09 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080404214808.GB32030@Max> On 2008-04-05 02:20:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Sleepwalker gets a +1 from me. +1 Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please note I'm not attacking anyone specifically with the comments I have said, I just wanted to say why I'm voting for each one. -- ian From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 23:06:28 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:06:28 -0500 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47F6B474.30904@gmail.com> I'll thumbs up for Sleepwalker Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Cointelligence > -Compunity > -Dream > -Group Think > -Nightlife > -Re-Cycle > -REM Cycle > -Sandman > -Shepherd > -Sleepwalker > -Trellis > -Turbine > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > > Bryan Che wrote: >> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >> project >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help >> us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've >> attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all >> just suggestions and starting points for conversation. >> >> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >> this project. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 4 23:42:12 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:42:12 -0700 Subject: CD/DVD cover markings In-Reply-To: References: <1207229272.4412.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207352532.4585.148.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 09:19 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/4/3 Paul W. Frields : > As I was at a big expo over the course of this week, I > discovered our > CD/DVD covers need a couple things: > > 1. A great big link on the back cover to > http://fedoraproject.org/ > > 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for > download at > that URL. > > 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. > > One note could probably accomplish this: > > Visit http://fedoraproject.org/ to download other Fedora > software, or learn how you can help. (No experience > necessary.) > > These are all great, but I want to make sure this time that the > version number is on the cd jacket somewhere! Every time I hand out > one of those Werewolf CDs, the next inevitable question is "What > version is this?" +1 I put in a request to the Art list for help in making a small, rectangular image to print on a sheet of labels/stickers. These get applied to USB flash drives with Fedora on them. Not much space to work with, but a bit easier than get them printed on directly. There are "standard" label sizes that I've seen in OO.org. Maybe just an SVG image for minor manipulation (spin name?) and sizing to fit on whatever label you have. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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The vote is open until 4/11. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > > > > > Bryan Che wrote: > > > > > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > > > project ( > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) > > > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming ( > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), > > > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > > > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've attached > > > the output of their work. Note that these names are all just suggestions > > > and starting points for conversation. > > > > > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a > > > week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > > > project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nushio at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 00:16:44 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:16:44 -0600 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00804041643pd206759p99f3c19aeb2c0e96@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <47F6B474.30904@gmail.com> <5d88dfb00804041643pd206759p99f3c19aeb2c0e96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 to Trellis and +1 to Turbine. 2008/4/4 John Mackay : > -1 -Cointelligence > -1 -Compunity > 0 -Dream > 0 -Group Think > 0 -Nightlife > 0 -Re-Cycle > +1-REM Cycle > +1-Sandman > 0 -Shepherd > +1-Sleepwalker > 0 -Trellis > 0 -Turbine > > 2008/4/4, Michael Beckwith : > > > I'll thumbs up for Sleepwalker > > > > Bryan Che wrote: > > > > > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid > > > project: > > > > > > -Cointelligence > > > -Compunity > > > -Dream > > > -Group Think > > > -Nightlife > > > -Re-Cycle > > > -REM Cycle > > > -Sandman > > > -Shepherd > > > -Sleepwalker > > > -Trellis > > > -Turbine > > > > > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > > > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > > Bryan Che wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > > > > project ( > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) > > > > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming ( > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), > > > > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > > > > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've attached > > > > the output of their work. Note that these names are all just suggestions > > > > and starting points for conversation. > > > > > > > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a > > > > week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > > > > project. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~Michael > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 00:41:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:41:24 +0000 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1207356084.6315.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 16:37 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: +1 -Sleepwalker +1 -Turbine -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/webgraphics/ -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 5 19:36:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:06:26 +0530 Subject: Abiword team interview Message-ID: <47F7D4BA.5060100@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I am working on a set of interviews with different upstream projects that have some involvement with Fedora. I have a rough draft of the interview I am doing with the Abiword team at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/Interviews/Abiword Editorial help, additional questions, suggestions and feedback is welcome. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 5 20:20:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:20:35 +0100 Subject: Abiword team interview In-Reply-To: <47F7D4BA.5060100@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F7D4BA.5060100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207426835.3263.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 01:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > I am working on a set of interviews with different upstream projects > that have some involvement with Fedora. I have a rough draft of the > interview I am doing with the Abiword team at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/Interviews/Abiword > > Editorial help, additional questions, suggestions and feedback is welcome. Hey Rahul :) I'll be sure to take a look in the morning - sounds like it should be good though! Jon From scott at tekkie.org Sat Apr 5 22:32:10 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:02:10 -0230 Subject: Abiword team interview In-Reply-To: <1207426835.3263.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47F7D4BA.5060100@fedoraproject.org> <1207426835.3263.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3d0809e40804051532v596cba1o98c97f86b65005ef@mail.gmail.com> Thoroughly enjoyed it. I always wondered about the development of a project.. I always see the end result, and not being a developer, never had a feel for what they did, or how they did it. I look forward to more. Scott On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 01:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am working on a set of interviews with different upstream projects > > that have some involvement with Fedora. I have a rough draft of the > > interview I am doing with the Abiword team at > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/Interviews/Abiword > > > > Editorial help, additional questions, suggestions and feedback is > welcome. > > Hey Rahul :) I'll be sure to take a look in the morning - sounds like it > should be good though! > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 6 10:43:18 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:43:18 +0100 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130803311320q38ceb3afnb67e22be37c1784a@mail.gmail.com> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47F02EC4.7010000@fedoraproject.org> <1206990377.3137.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1ed4a0130803311320q38ceb3afnb67e22be37c1784a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207478598.3136.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:20 -0400, Russell Harrison wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > I'll try, but I'll also copy Frank to see what he thinks. > > > > * MU was a pain to get working with https, and looking through this > > thread I see Mike McGrath suggest that code changes would have been > > required, which would perhaps outweigh the plugin problems some have > > reported with Lyceum, especially when on their website they say: > > I looked a bit more into this last night. All I have to say is booooo > WordPress MU developers boo. The fix is pretty lamely easy but would > be a huge hassle to have to do every time we tried to patch to the > latest version. I'll take your research into the issues as enough to > sway me. > > +1 Lyceum > > Its nice knowing smart people are working on things. You can just > trust them to know what they're talking about. :-D OK, I see no more complaints on the Lyceum front, so does this mean everyone is happy to move forward with this? Also, I got no feedback on the best way to test our various workflows to make sure we are happy with the software and that it will work for us. If I don't hear any more, I'll come up with a plan for this sometime today or tomorrow and post it back here... Best wishes, Jon From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Sun Apr 6 17:16:15 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:16:15 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD cover markings In-Reply-To: References: <1207229272.4412.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207502176.3808.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 09:19 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/4/3 Paul W. Frields : > As I was at a big expo over the course of this week, I > discovered our > CD/DVD covers need a couple things: > > 1. A great big link on the back cover to > http://fedoraproject.org/ > > 2. A note that there are other kinds of discs available for > download at > that URL. > > 3. A note that people can *get involved* in Fedora. > > One note could probably accomplish this: > > Visit http://fedoraproject.org/ to download other Fedora > software, or learn how you can help. (No experience > necessary.) > > These are all great, but I want to make sure this time that the > version number is on the cd jacket somewhere! Every time I hand out > one of those Werewolf CDs, the next inevitable question is "What > version is this?" You are not asked "Which architecture is it?" ;) Matthias From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 17:41:56 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:41:56 -0600 Subject: CD/DVD cover markings In-Reply-To: <1207502176.3808.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <1207229272.4412.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207502176.3808.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: You are not asked "Which architecture is it?" ;) > > Matthias > > Matthias, That is indeed on the CD/DVD cases. Although, I've had requests for x86_64. But pressed versions those aren't currently available, nor are the PPC versions. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uosiumen at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 21:33:31 2008 From: uosiumen at gmail.com (Krzysztof Hajdamowicz) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 23:33:31 +0200 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <849180620804061433q51c124aek88f94f524bec847f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Trellis > -Turbine +1 Trellis +1 Turbine (turbocharged fedora? :) ) -- greetings, uosiu mail: uosiumen on server uosiu dot info jabber: uosiu on server jabberpl dot org From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 00:21:38 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Final Freeze coming--feature page updates needed] Message-ID: <47F96912.50004@redhat.com> This email was sent to all individual feature owners. I'm sending it a few other place to keep everyone in the loop and to route around those that have black-listed the feature wrangler's or are waiting for me to send post cards ;-) If you are depending on information about the features below you may want to set wiki page watches to track changes and updates Thanks, John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Final Freeze coming--feature page updates needed Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:17:34 -0700 From: John Poelstra Hello Feature People :) With final development freeze coming on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 (two days from now in most parts of the world--less in others), sadly this is one of the last times you'll be able to receive nag mail from me for Fedora 9. ;-) Final Development Freeze, defined here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/FinalFreezePolicy means that all features must be at 100% completion by this date. Yes, we know "this is Fedora" and "stuff is never 100% done" and all the usual arguments about "what does percentage completion really mean, etc., etc.", but for the average user and members of the other Fedora teams it is important and very helpful to make one last update to your feature page... and for those that will still complain, please make some constructive suggestions for improving the process and lobby to change it for Fedora 10 :) These feature pages are pointed to by a lot by the press and used by many other teams to turn Fedora into a polished looking release so your help is greatly needed and appreciated. You have the distinct privilege of receiving this message because you are listed as the owner for one or more features that are not listed at 100% completion, though many are very close! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ext4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureEncryptedFilesystems http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OneSecondX http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Firefox3 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/freeIPA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XULRunner http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvops http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtStorage http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XserverOnePointFive http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureTexLive http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/SecondStageInstallSource http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RandrSupport http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PartitionResizing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/JigdoRelease http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IMDesktopIntegration http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm I've received several questions in the past about what to do to bring a feature page to 100% or what to do if all the advertised things on the feature page can't be completed in time. Hopefully this helps... 1) If you implemented all of the things described on your feature page and the package is in rawhide, update to 100% 2) If you DID NOT implement all of the things described on your feature page a) change the feature page to reflect all the things you DID complete for Fedora 9 b) make sure the package is in rawhide c) update to 100% d) if you plan to do more unfinished exciting things in F10 move them to a new feature page 3) If your feature page will end up being empty or very brief in order to honestly say it is 100% done it probably should be removed from the Fedora 9 feature list. Simply change the category of your feature page to CategoryProposedFeature (from CategoryAcceptedFedora9) and let me know 4) If this is still confusing, please contact me :) Thanks for your help, John 'tired feature wrangler and yes this manual process is starting to not scale any more' Poelstra From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 7 06:48:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:48:52 +0300 Subject: Web Badges In-Reply-To: <47F713C9.6020400@gmail.com> References: <47F713C9.6020400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F9C3D4.1010307@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > In light of wanting to play around with Inkscape a little bit, and > following an Inkscape tutorial, I have created some Fedora web > badges[1]. You know, those little tiny bar graphics that advertise > various things. I even got inspired by the marketing team's recent "4 > F's" stories, and created some for each F. Comments, criticisms, plans > for use all appreciated. > > [1] http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/webgraphics/ Maybe one more design with all four Fs? like "4 x F", "F x 4", "F^4" or "F - F - F - F" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 11:43:01 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:43:01 -0700 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <200804012044.01199.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <1207068359.30372.537.camel@calliope.phig.org> <200804012044.01199.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207568581.4585.207.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:43 +0200, JoergSimon wrote: > Am Dienstag, 1. April 2008 18:45:59 schrieb Karsten 'quaid' Wade: > > A quick discussion halt here. > > > > Joerg -- your reply was made to a related but *completely different > > discussion*. Greg's comment you quoted refers to a policy, not a > > particular action. > > Karsten, i answered direct to a Topic from Greg called > "Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands?" > > He asked for opinions and in my eyes this answer was related. > I would love to explain it more eloquent, but i am not so skilled with the > english language. Maybe some of my words are to straight - sorry for that. > First off all, as private Person i have a shadowman sticker on my notebook ;-) Thanks, your arguments make sense to me and give me more to consider. Definitely I can see how having a Red Hat brand at events would make your work harder. For Fedora, we need a process to honor sponsors without confusing the brand. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 13:28:14 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:28:14 -0500 Subject: Web Badges In-Reply-To: <47F9C3D4.1010307@nicubunu.ro> References: <47F713C9.6020400@gmail.com> <47F9C3D4.1010307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47FA216E.9050005@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >> In light of wanting to play around with Inkscape a little bit, and >> following an Inkscape tutorial, I have created some Fedora web >> badges[1]. You know, those little tiny bar graphics that advertise >> various things. I even got inspired by the marketing team's recent "4 >> F's" stories, and created some for each F. Comments, criticisms, >> plans for use all appreciated. >> >> [1] http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/webgraphics/ > > Maybe one more design with all four Fs? like "4 x F", "F x 4", "F^4" > or "F - F - F - F" > I like those ideas, I'll put them together soon and upload. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 18:18:41 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:18:41 -0800 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <849180620804061433q51c124aek88f94f524bec847f@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <849180620804061433q51c124aek88f94f524bec847f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910804071118o7a1c638ap8198df71d2e88d43@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Krzysztof Hajdamowicz wrote: > +1 Turbine (turbocharged fedora? :) ) Fedora Concubine: Get in bed with Fedora. -jef"4 days of curling later...I'm not sure if I hurt more from the midnight matches...or the noon drinking"spaleta From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 19:59:40 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:59:40 +0200 Subject: top 10 linux commercials Message-ID: <64b14b300804071259m2e06c37anac1a386882a4b233@mail.gmail.com> This page with top 10 video commercials is getting a lot of attention in last few days: http://www.prestigemarketinggroup.net/ideas/top-10-linux-commercials.html?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=1&Itemid=2 and also http://digg.com/linux_unix/Top_10_Linux_Commercials I'm sending it here because Red Hat video "Truth happens" is on first place so there is some nice publicity from this. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 20:07:19 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:07:19 -0700 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1207598839.4585.277.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 16:37 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Cointelligence -1 > -Compunity -1 > -Dream 0 > -Group Think -1 > -Nightlife +1 > -Re-Cycle > -REM Cycle 0 > -Sandman +1 > -Shepherd 0 > -Sleepwalker +1 > -Trellis 0 > -Turbine +1 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 22:24:17 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <47F6948A.4050508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Sleepwalker gets a +1 from me. Sleepwalker +1 for me also. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 00:18:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:18:28 +0000 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910804071118o7a1c638ap8198df71d2e88d43@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <849180620804061433q51c124aek88f94f524bec847f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910804071118o7a1c638ap8198df71d2e88d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207613908.18157.113.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 10:18 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Krzysztof Hajdamowicz > wrote: > > +1 Turbine (turbocharged fedora? :) ) > > Fedora Concubine: Get in bed with Fedora. I think many "Fedora widows" would agree with this one. And that officially closes this thread. Good night, everyone, remember to tip your servers! ;-D -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 00:24:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:24:34 -0400 Subject: Web Badges In-Reply-To: <47FA216E.9050005@gmail.com> References: <47F713C9.6020400@gmail.com> <47F9C3D4.1010307@nicubunu.ro> <47FA216E.9050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207614274.18157.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 08:28 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> In light of wanting to play around with Inkscape a little bit, and > >> following an Inkscape tutorial, I have created some Fedora web > >> badges[1]. You know, those little tiny bar graphics that advertise > >> various things. I even got inspired by the marketing team's recent "4 > >> F's" stories, and created some for each F. Comments, criticisms, > >> plans for use all appreciated. > >> > >> [1] http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/webgraphics/ > > > > Maybe one more design with all four Fs? like "4 x F", "F x 4", "F^4" > > or "F - F - F - F" > > > I like those ideas, I'll put them together soon and upload. We should be careful about using the term "4 F's," because it's dangerously close to an unhelpful connotation of "4-F." Refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4F#Classifications Instead, let's use "Fedora Themes" to talk about these -- or some other term that we can agree on. (Yes, losing the alliteration, unfortunately, unless someone comes up with a better idea.) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Russell From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 04:28:58 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:58:58 +0530 Subject: fedora-is-the-new-ubuntu Message-ID: <200804080958.58580.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, See this http://wingolog.org/archives/2008/04/07/fedora-is-the-new-ubuntu Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Apr 8 06:01:47 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:01:47 -0500 Subject: fedora-is-the-new-ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200804080958.58580.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200804080958.58580.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FB0A4B.1060701@prodigy.net.mx> Kushal Das escribi?: > Hi, > See this > http://wingolog.org/archives/2008/04/07/fedora-is-the-new-ubuntu > > Kushal > Interesting post and interesting discussion in the comments. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 8 06:50:12 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:50:12 +0300 Subject: Red Hat Asks Federal Court To Limit Patents On Software Message-ID: <47FB15A4.2030402@nicubunu.ro> Not strictly Fedora, but good tho hear: "Today, Red Hat took a public stand challenging the standards for patenting software. In the Biliski case that is now before the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals, this patent issue is ripe for consideration. In a friend of the court brief submitted to the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bilski case today, Red Hat describes the special problems that patents pose for open source and seeks modification of the standards for patentable subject matter that take open source into account. Here is a quick summary of our brief." Read the full article: http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/04/07/red-hat-asks-federal-court-to-limit-patents-on-software/ And digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_Asks_Federal_Court_To_Limit_Patents_On_Software -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 13:39:14 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:39:14 +0000 Subject: Fedora Themes Message-ID: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> This is an elevation of a note from a previous thread, since Russell Harrison was kind enough to let me know it was important. Let's avoid referring to our Fedora Themes of "Freedom, Folks, Features, First" with the terminology "four F's." That's because there's an old wartime connotation of "4-F" that we want to assiduously avoid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4F#Classifications I think the one thing all Fedora people can agree on is that Fedora *ALWAYS* passes muster! ;-) I like the term "Fedora Themes," but I couldn't find another good word starting with "F" to substitute for "Themes." It's not important whether we all use the word "Themes," but let's not use "four F's." Thanks! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's because there's an old > wartime connotation of "4-F" that we want to assiduously avoid: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4F#Classifications > > I think the one thing all Fedora people can agree on is that Fedora > *ALWAYS* passes muster! ;-) > > I like the term "Fedora Themes," but I couldn't find another good word > starting with "F" to substitute for "Themes." It's not important > whether we all use the word "Themes," but let's not use "four F's." > Thanks! > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From rtlm10 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 17:09:17 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:09:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes In-Reply-To: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130804081009w634eb5f3v21e9d8c623756c0b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/8 Paul W. Frields : > This is an elevation of a note from a previous thread, since Russell > Harrison was kind enough to let me know it was important. Heh, that's kind of funny. I thought Paul brought it to my attention. ;-) Russell From rsuehle at redhat.com Tue Apr 8 17:32:31 2008 From: rsuehle at redhat.com (Ruth Suehle) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:32:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes In-Reply-To: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47FBAC2F.9090701@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I like the term "Fedora Themes," but I couldn't find another good word > starting with "F" to substitute for "Themes." It's not important > whether we all use the word "Themes," but let's not use "four F's." > Thanks! > Fundamentals? From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 8 21:44:46 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:44:46 +0100 Subject: Live CD Interview Message-ID: <1207691086.3675.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, In a slight change with the previous programme, the latest interview has gone up on Red Hat Magazine! The reason for this is that they liked the content and wanted to use it, plus it will increase our exposure. And they've agreed to co-post it, so we hvae a copy on the wiki too for posterities sake! You may notice, however, that there's not a copy on the wiki as I was having some issues with time outs and errors so I couldn't edit the page. You may also notice that I'm not providing a digg link in this e-mail either, because again luck seems to be against me today and digg keeps dumping me to a fatal error! If anybody wants to step up and help out with the promotion feel free to do the job for me, as I'm going to leave it until the morning now since I'm pretty sleepy tonight. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews will be your friend :) It's with Jeremy Katz about live cds, persistance and all those other cool goodies. Oh, and the story link: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/04/08/interview-jeremy-katz-on-fedora-live-cds/#more-845 Best wishes, and good night to all! Jon From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Apr 9 08:35:02 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 01:35:02 -0700 Subject: Fedora Themes In-Reply-To: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Fedora Flavors! :D 2008/4/8 Paul W. Frields : > This is an elevation of a note from a previous thread, since Russell > Harrison was kind enough to let me know it was important. > > Let's avoid referring to our Fedora Themes of "Freedom, Folks, Features, > First" with the terminology "four F's." That's because there's an old > wartime connotation of "4-F" that we want to assiduously avoid: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4F#Classifications > > I think the one thing all Fedora people can agree on is that Fedora > *ALWAYS* passes muster! ;-) > > I like the term "Fedora Themes," but I couldn't find another good word > starting with "F" to substitute for "Themes." It's not important > whether we all use the word "Themes," but let's not use "four F's." > Thanks! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 13:53:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:53:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130804081009w634eb5f3v21e9d8c623756c0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1ed4a0130804081009w634eb5f3v21e9d8c623756c0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207749186.5428.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 13:09 -0400, Russell Harrison wrote: > 2008/4/8 Paul W. Frields : > > This is an elevation of a note from a previous thread, since Russell > > Harrison was kind enough to let me know it was important. > > Heh, that's kind of funny. I thought Paul brought it to my attention. ;-) Well, I may have brought it up, but you made me realize it was important to let more people know, louder. So thanks! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 13:53:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:53:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes In-Reply-To: References: <1207661954.12553.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207749231.5428.145.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 01:35 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Fedora Flavors! :D ?Aha, how about: FEDORA FUNDAMENTALS. Paul -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The practice ran into a response last year from Dave Jones at Red Hat, who said he feared the number of bugs in the 2.6.21 kernel was going to lead to problems as it became part of Red Hat's community Linux, Fedora. "I was incredibly nervous" about the shipping Fedora 7, he recounted yesterday, and in a blog on June 7 last year he acknowledged the reason he was nervous: "Looking at the first round of bugs that came in during the week after F7's release, it's pretty horrific." " Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 11 09:31:19 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:31:19 +0100 Subject: news.fp.o and workflows Message-ID: <1207906279.2768.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On the idea of testing workflows for the news.fp.o site, and whether this needs to involve the test instance, Karsten says: > It could be that we don't have a new workflow to test. For example, FWN > is done entirely on the wiki, so a blog engine is just a delivery > mechanism -- paste content, add appropriate category, publish. Thomas, others, what do you think about this? > But aren't there other ideas? The stories, for example. But again, > there I don't see too much workflow put on the blog engine. We do want > a fair amount of work *before* anything hits the blog engine, so that > people aren't just publishing random garbage. > > There are some things we want to consider, such as a designated pool of > categories so we aren't doing "selinux" and "se linux", etc. Those are > discussions independent of the test instance, though. > > Maybe we can do something like: > > * Define a list of what we want to do with the blog engine to start > (FWN, stories, press releases, etc. My list: * FWN * Press Releases/Announcements * Stories (I think this equals Fedora Fundamentals or whatever has been decided for the name!) * Interviews > > * Lightly write-up the workflow for each of those, see where the blog > fits in > > * That may give us some stuff to test > > * Those results we use for discussion, sparking more ideas, etc. > So, do people have thoughts about these bullets? Things you'd like to do with news.fp.o? Reply and lets see if there are things that need testing or whether the workflow is pretty self-explanatory! Jon From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 11 15:59:39 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:59:39 -0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803261326.02360.fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are > not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the > recommend procedure at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join yes > We don't > want to cross post either. Refer > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.ht >ml I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who must deal with the consequences of this issue. And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don?t want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... ) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-July/msg00086.html I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don?t want. i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to understand that distinction." so -1 again. cheers -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The workflow for FWN is very similiar to Docs Project. Everything is done via wiki. Although, I would like to see RSS Feed from more official site than my own blog. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 11 21:01:10 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:31:10 +0530 Subject: Review: Hat Trick For Fedora 9 Beta Message-ID: <47FFD196.2020906@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.crn.com/software/207200137 Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_Hat_Trick_for_Fedora_9_Beta "The Fedora Project attracts a lot of interest from the Linux faithful. While there are perhaps more newbie-friendly, corporate-friendly, or special-interest-focused distributions, Fedora continues to wear the innovation hat. " "All in all, Fedora 9 Beta shows that a lot of work is being done to clean up the operating system behind the scenes. For basic usage, users might not notice a difference, but it's still worth upgrading to when the stable version comes out." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 11 21:45:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:15:56 +0530 Subject: news.fp.o and workflows In-Reply-To: <1207906279.2768.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207906279.2768.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47FFDC14.2000900@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > So, do people have thoughts about these bullets? Things you'd like to do > with news.fp.o? Reply and lets see if there are things that need testing > or whether the workflow is pretty self-explanatory! There seems to be still doubts as to whether we are going with lyceum or wordpress-mu. I was talking to Red Hat Magazine folks about their Lyceum installation and viability of a active upstream and Bret Mcmillan (cc'ed) recommended evaluating wordpress-mu instead. I can only start looking at packaging after I get a all around confirmation. The final decision is yours. Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 11 22:38:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:38:21 -0700 Subject: blog engine review (was Re: news.fp.o and workflows) In-Reply-To: <47FFDC14.2000900@fedoraproject.org> References: <1207906279.2768.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47FFDC14.2000900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1207953501.5388.108.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 03:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > So, do people have thoughts about these bullets? Things you'd like to do > > with news.fp.o? Reply and lets see if there are things that need testing > > or whether the workflow is pretty self-explanatory! > > There seems to be still doubts as to whether we are going with lyceum or > wordpress-mu. This is not related to what Jon is talking about. He is looking for how people use a tool to know what to check on the test instance(s) we put in front of him. But to follow your post heist, I'll take a chance to mention ... A few of us with interest in WordPress MU missed the chance to help with the test previously, and we asked if we could take another shot at making it work for Fedora. At our current pace, we'll have a better idea in a week if we need to investigate further in that direction. Until then we won't know which needs to be packaged. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" > > "All in all, Fedora 9 Beta shows that a lot of work is being done to clean > up the operating system behind the scenes. For basic usage, users might not > notice a difference, but it's still worth upgrading to when the stable > version comes out." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Apr 13 15:12:26 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:12:26 -0700 Subject: support v. support (was Re: Get Support link?) In-Reply-To: <1207590755.18157.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207587258.6123.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207590755.18157.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1208099546.5019.49.camel@calliope.phig.org> (Moving this portion from f-docs-l as something I've been meaning to talk about in a marketing context ...) On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 13:52 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The word "support" is unfortunately loaded with meanings we may not > intend As are many other words ... and yet we get along OK with that. What makes 'support' so bad? "Don't call it support." This has been a mantra in Fedora for some time. Despite that, people still refer to 'support'. Our closest right-thinking has been to call it 'community support'. Later in the above email, Paul suggests 'help' is an appropriate word, and I tend to agree. However, people still say 'support/supported', especially where 'help' doesn't work: "Is my hardware supported by that video driver?" "How can I support my installation? etc. We can continue to worry about the word support or not. The question I keep asking myself is, "Would it change the expectation of people requesting help if they understood from the beginning that there is no commercial support relationship?" I expect that it does not change people's expectations. Folks who think they deserve 'support' are going to feel that regardless. In the end, I think we cause ourselves unneeded worry chasing down the way we use the word support, and I'm not convinced we've made a bit of difference. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm very careful to do this in Bugzilla and other places. > "Don't call it support." This has been a mantra in Fedora for some > time. Despite that, people still refer to 'support'. Our closest > right-thinking has been to call it 'community support'. Hmm, maybe something like "maintained by the community"? > Later in the above email, Paul suggests 'help' is an appropriate word, > and I tend to agree. However, people still say 'support/supported', > especially where 'help' doesn't work: Hmm, help may also have negative connotations that someone is *required* to "help" you. It is a lot better than "support", though, and for contexts like that, I can't say I have a better suggestion. Of course there are always going to be cases where the word "support" is appropriate. For example, "is the whizbang video card 9gazillion XTI helped by Fedora" makes absolutely no sense. Replace that was "supported" and everyone know you're asking "does it work?" > We can continue to worry about the word support or not. The question I > keep asking myself is, "Would it change the expectation of people > requesting help if they understood from the beginning that there is no > commercial support relationship?" > > I expect that it does not change people's expectations. Folks who think > they deserve 'support' are going to feel that regardless. Now that I think about it in this context, you're probably right. There is no way that a reasonable person is going to believe that something that they obtained without cost comes with any sort of commercial support obligation, and we can't cater to those that are unreasonable - that doesn't make good "business" sense. That's obviously not to say that everyone has obtained Fedora without cost - for some, it comes as a DVD in a book that they bought. For others, there's a nominal distribution fee charged for duplication, etc (like by DVD vendors). We probably need to find some way to differentiate these vendors from Fedora itself, but again, to reasonable people, I think that the distinction is clear already, and it makes no sense to cater to unreasonable people. From linux at elfshadow.net Sun Apr 13 19:33:41 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:33:41 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> As many are aware we are trying to get as many global release parties to happen near the Fedora 9 launch time frame as we can. The initial announcement was posted [1] to the Ambassadors mailing list last week. As part of this, we are hoping to make it as easy as possible for an Ambassador to host one of these events. One of the hurdles I would like to have cleared is the preparation of a Release Party flyer for those that are not artistically inclined. That is what brings me to the Fedora Marketing list - I am hoping one of you more marketing/artistically inclined folks could lend me a hand. We need a generic flyer that can be customized by people for their local area. Something we can post to the wiki, they can download, open it up and make a few small edits and take it to their local print shop for hanging up at their local computer stores, college campuses, places of employment, etc. I have worked up a basic flyer (very, very basic flyer - I lack any artistics skills one would need for a good flyer). I have posted it here: http://jeffreyt.fedorapeople.org/release_party/f9_release_party_flyer.odt Pretty bad, isn't it? So, show me what you can do. Work up a flyer that looks better than my attempt so Fedora can have a decent looking Release Party announcement flyer - I set the bar pretty low! Thanks! Jeffrey [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-April/msg00043.html From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Apr 14 10:59:21 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:59:21 +0800 Subject: Red Hat's Challenge Message-ID: <1208170761.18768.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Red-Hats-Challenge/ "While Linux is as good and perhaps better suited to the needs of knowledge workers who do not require Windows-only applications?a category into which I fall?the lack of an identity and management solution for Linux that's comparable to Microsoft's Active Directory and Group Policy is retarding Linux's growth. But based so far on my tests of Red Hat's Fedora 9, which is due in late April, the pieces required to fill this gap for Linux?namely, the PolicyKit management and FreeIPA identity components that make their debut in this Fedora?are starting to fall into place." It's mainly about Red Hat but it very much explains Fedora as an unstable Red Hat which to me does not credit Fedora sufficiently. Cheers, Marc From bche at redhat.com Mon Apr 14 14:53:13 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:53:13 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48036FD9.7020400@redhat.com> I've tallied up the votes, and Fedora Sleepwalker wins! Here are the results: Name +1 0 -1 Total Cointelligence 0 1 7 -7 Compunity 0 1 7 -7 Dream 0.5 4 4 -3.5 Group Think 1 2 5 -4 Nightlife 5 2 2 3 Re-Cycle 1 5 2 -1 REM Cycle 2 5 1 1 Sandman 5.5 4 0 5.5 Shepherd 0 6 2 -2 Sleepwalker 11 3 2 9 Trellis 6 3 3 3 Turbine 8 2 1 7 Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: > > -Cointelligence > -Compunity > -Dream > -Group Think > -Nightlife > -Re-Cycle > -REM Cycle > -Sandman > -Shepherd > -Sleepwalker > -Trellis > -Turbine > > Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and > declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > > Bryan Che wrote: >> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >> project >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help >> us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've >> attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just >> suggestions and starting points for conversation. >> >> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >> this project. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From axelilly at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 21:26:11 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:26:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > As many are aware we are trying to get as many global release parties > to happen near the Fedora 9 launch time frame as we can. The initial > announcement was posted [1] to the Ambassadors mailing list last week. > As part of this, we are hoping to make it as easy as possible for an > Ambassador to host one of these events. One of the hurdles I would > like to have cleared is the preparation of a Release Party flyer for > those that are not artistically inclined. That is what brings me to > the Fedora Marketing list - I am hoping one of you more > marketing/artistically inclined folks could lend me a hand. > > I think that what you have so far should be useful. The only additions that I can think of is that maybe the 'sulphur' graphics could be added to the page. Also, possibly a background gradient that features f9's colors. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Jason aka, Axelilly Catch me on gchat or Jabber =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Grady Laksmono http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 06:16:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:46:35 +0530 Subject: A New Spin on the Xfce Window Manager Message-ID: <48044843.406@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Review of the Fedora 8 Xfce spin. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6475/1/ "Fedora's custom Spins (Live CDs based on Fedora's latest stable release) are an excellent way of testing a new desktop environment, some cool developer tools, and even some content that can't be found anywhere else (e.g. videos from FUDCON). The XFCE Spins are available in x86 and x86_64 formats." Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 10:29:52 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:29:52 +0100 Subject: Podcast People Message-ID: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> Hey, A while ago I said I'd get in touch with various technology and Linux related podcasts to try and arrange a few interviews for Fedora people. Before I actually contact podcasts though, I thought it would be a good idea to get a list of people who'd be interested in talking on them! Mairin did a great job on the Linux Action Show :) Is anybody inspired by this and would like to take a crack too? Does anybody know where I can post to try and get more attention? I'll be putting it on my blog so we'll see if I can get any feed back that way. Best wishes all, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 10:40:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:10:25 +0530 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48048619.6070009@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > A while ago I said I'd get in touch with various technology and Linux > related podcasts to try and arrange a few interviews for Fedora > people. Before I actually contact podcasts though, I thought it would > be a good idea to get a list of people who'd be interested in talking > on them! Can reveal which podcasts we are talking about? Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 10:45:39 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:45:39 +0100 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <48048619.6070009@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> <48048619.6070009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0804150345v67dcdd75rbc3e4185bf99f7c7@mail.gmail.com> On 15/04/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > A while ago I said I'd get in touch with various technology and Linux > > related podcasts to try and arrange a few interviews for Fedora > > people. Before I actually contact podcasts though, I thought it would > > be a good idea to get a list of people who'd be interested in talking > > on them! > > > > Can reveal which podcasts we are talking about? I haven't contacted any yet, I thought I'd get a list of interested people first. That way I have something concrete to point them at :) If you've got any suggestions then I'd love to hear them... a couple that immediately cross my mind are LUG Radio and FLOSS weekly, but there's also a pretty good list here: http://www.thelinuxlink.net/ Suggestions are welcome too, Jon > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 15 11:18:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:18:46 +0300 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Mairin did a great job on the Linux Action Show :) Is anybody inspired > by this and would like to take a crack too? Does anybody know where I > can post to try and get more attention? I'll be putting it on my blog > so we'll see if I can get any feed back that way. I think a good place to put podcasts would be the Wordpress we are supposed to get for FWN - that would allow to tag the podcast posts and get a separate RSS for them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 11:52:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:22:05 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 feature preview - kernel modesetting Message-ID: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Yet another feature we need to highlight. Probably in the release notes too for the web version. http://airlied.livejournal.com/58778.html Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 11:54:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:24:34 +0530 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804977A.9070303@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > A while ago I said I'd get in touch with various technology and Linux > related podcasts to try and arrange a few interviews for Fedora > people. Before I actually contact podcasts though, I thought it would > be a good idea to get a list of people who'd be interested in talking > on them! > > Mairin did a great job on the Linux Action Show :) Is anybody inspired > by this and would like to take a crack too? Does anybody know where I > can post to try and get more attention? I'll be putting it on my blog > so we'll see if I can get any feed back that way. Distrowatch carries the latest list of podcasts. Check the left side of http://distrowatch.com/ I would be willing to talk about spins if Jeremy and others aren't interested. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 15 12:48:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:48:58 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 feature preview - kernel modesetting In-Reply-To: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> References: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4804A43A.7010003@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Yet another feature we need to highlight. Probably in the release notes > too for the web version. > > http://airlied.livejournal.com/58778.html This means that work on BetterStartup may be resumed and feature implemented in Fedora 10? [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 15 13:17:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:17:21 -0700 Subject: Feature chasing (was Re: Fedora 9 feature preview - kernel modesetting) In-Reply-To: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> References: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1208265441.5019.147.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 17:22 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Yet another feature we need to highlight. Probably in the release notes > too for the web version. > > http://airlied.livejournal.com/58778.html Is there any way we can get people to move the writing energy from their blogs to the release notes? It is hard to take a "neat semi-hidden feature" seriously when the only way we hear about it is through someone's blog. We cannot be chasing people's blogs looking for feature information -- that is why we have one, central way to track features, and one, central way to gather release notes. A personal blog is not an example of these. Every release I'm tempted to put as much energy into publicizing these release notes as the developer has, that is, next to none. Will people finally learn if we stop rewarding them for bad behavior? This is not intended as a slight against arlied, he's just the latest example in a multi-year string of examples. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am happy developers are talking about what they are doing *somewhere*. I can't say we are doing that collectively for a lot of interesting things we are doing. I am sure I could give you a long list of examples from the past but I think you already know what I am talking about. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 13:33:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:03:06 +0530 Subject: Feature chasing (was Re: Fedora 9 feature preview - kernel modesetting) In-Reply-To: <1208265441.5019.147.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <480496E5.4060601@fedoraproject.org> <1208265441.5019.147.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4804AE92.1040703@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 17:22 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Yet another feature we need to highlight. Probably in the release notes >> too for the web version. >> >> http://airlied.livejournal.com/58778.html > > Is there any way we can get people to move the writing energy from their > blogs to the release notes? I have personally pretty much given up on that goal. I am happy developers are talking about what they are doing *somewhere*. I can't say we are doing that collectively for a lot of interesting things. I am sure I could give you a long list of examples from the past but I think you already know what I am talking about. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 14:05:09 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:05:09 +0100 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <507738ef0804150705y10258ec5y6fef0e94a88e163@mail.gmail.com> On 15/04/2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > > Mairin did a great job on the Linux Action Show :) Is anybody inspired > > by this and would like to take a crack too? Does anybody know where I > > can post to try and get more attention? I'll be putting it on my blog > > so we'll see if I can get any feed back that way. > > > > I think a good place to put podcasts would be the Wordpress we are supposed > to get for FWN - that would allow to tag the podcast posts and get a > separate RSS for them. Agreed, and will certainly have something like this when it's up and running :) We're still working on MU/Lycuem issues but we'll get there! Jon > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 14:36:38 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:36:38 +0100 Subject: PreUpgrade Interview Message-ID: <507738ef0804150736o4532aa20q974da7ad85d8cee5@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, The interview with Seth Vidal and Will Woods about PreUpgrade is up at both Red Hat Magazine and on the Fedora Project wiki. Give it a read: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/PreUpgrade And if you enjoy it feel free to digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Preupgrade_seemless_and_easy_upgrades_to_Fedora_9 Thanks, Jon From glaksmono at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 15:42:28 2008 From: glaksmono at fedoraproject.org (Grady Laksmono) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:42:28 -0700 Subject: Please Advice - Fedora 9 Release Party at Los Angeles Message-ID: Hi Ambassadors, This is the first time I'm organizing an event for Fedora Project, here I would start off with Fedora 9 Release Party on my campus. I'd like to get some advices, comments, feedbacks, suggestions, etc from those who've been more experienced in organizing Fedora events. Here's my plan for the Fedora 9 Release Party at California State University, Los Angeles: 1. Time, Date, and Place Time: 12:00 pm - 5:30 pm Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 Location: California State University, Los Angeles Building: College of Engineering, Computer Science, and Technology Room: E&T A220 2. Marketing Materials - Fedora 9 Banners: Print these on this Friday at Kinko's like this and post it around campus next week. I'm going to look for some design from the Media Arts team. - Fliers: To be given out and put on all around campus, the fliers should have the design design of the Fedora 9 coming up design release, and that there's a website where they could vote (http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487) on, time, date, place where the event will be held. That way I could anticipate on how many people would come to the event. These will be printed at the same time when I print the banner. Voting is not required to come to the event, some people have a time, some don't, but I encouraged them to do so, so that I can anticipate numbers. - Me and some of my team on campus would give some class announcements about the event. 3. At the Event - Someone gives a talk during the event about Fedora 9. I'm thinking about Thomas [1], since he's probably also the only one who's around in my area? Or someone from Red Hat? - Free pizzas and sodas at the event for all of the attendance. (am I going to get reimbursement for this?) - USB Creation Stations - Free Fedora 9 Live CDs - Free Fedora 9 DVDs - Questions and Answers sessions 4. Timeline 12:00 - 12:30 Opening Remarks 12:30 - 1:30 Lunch 1:30 - 2:30 Guest Speaker(s) (will be decided) 2:30 - 3:30 Questions and Answers 3:30 Dismissed Please give me inputs, feedbacks, comments, etc. Details of the event: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party#preview Thanks, Grady Laksmono http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Tue Apr 15 16:44:00 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:44:00 -0700 Subject: Please Advice - Fedora 9 Release Party at Los Angeles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Updates, Thomas will not be available to give a talk during that time. So, I decided will be the one who's going to give a talk and promote Fedora during this event. The target audiences are anticipated to be mostly my colleagues. Thanks, Grady On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi Ambassadors, > This is the first time I'm organizing an event for Fedora Project, > here I would start off with Fedora 9 Release Party on my campus. I'd > like to get some advices, comments, feedbacks, suggestions, etc from > those who've been more experienced in organizing Fedora events. > > Here's my plan for the Fedora 9 Release Party at California State > University, Los Angeles: > > 1. Time, Date, and Place > Time: 12:00 pm - 5:30 pm > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 > Location: California State University, Los Angeles > Building: College of Engineering, Computer Science, and Technology > Room: E&T A220 > > 2. Marketing Materials > - Fedora 9 Banners: Print these on this Friday at Kinko's like this > and post it around campus next week. I'm going to look for some design > from the Media Arts team. > - Fliers: To be given out and put on all around campus, the > fliers should have the design design of the Fedora 9 coming up design > release, and that there's a website where they could vote > (http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487) on, time, date, > place where the event will be held. That way I could anticipate on how > many people would come to the event. These will be printed at the same > time when I print the banner. Voting is not required to come to the > event, some people have a time, some don't, but I encouraged them to > do so, so that I can anticipate numbers. > - Me and some of my team on campus would give some class announcements > about the event. > > 3. At the Event > - Someone gives a talk during the event about Fedora 9. I'm thinking > about Thomas [1], since he's probably also the only one who's around > in my area? Or someone from Red Hat? > - Free pizzas and sodas at the event for all of the attendance. (am I > going to get reimbursement for this?) > - USB Creation Stations > - Free Fedora 9 Live CDs > - Free Fedora 9 DVDs > - Questions and Answers sessions > > 4. Timeline > 12:00 - 12:30 Opening Remarks > 12:30 - 1:30 Lunch > 1:30 - 2:30 Guest Speaker(s) (will be decided) > 2:30 - 3:30 Questions and Answers > 3:30 Dismissed > > Please give me inputs, feedbacks, comments, etc. > Details of the event: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party#preview > > Thanks, > Grady Laksmono > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 17:46:27 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:27 +0200 Subject: Please Advice - Fedora 9 Release Party at Los Angeles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/4/15, Grady Laksmono : > Updates, > Thomas will not be available to give a talk during that time. So, I > decided will be the one who's going to give a talk and promote Fedora > during this event. The target audiences are anticipated to be mostly > my colleagues. > > Thanks, > Grady > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Grady Laksmono > wrote: > > Hi Ambassadors, > > This is the first time I'm organizing an event for Fedora Project, > > here I would start off with Fedora 9 Release Party on my campus. I'd > > like to get some advices, comments, feedbacks, suggestions, etc from > > those who've been more experienced in organizing Fedora events. > > > > Here's my plan for the Fedora 9 Release Party at California State > > University, Los Angeles: > > > > 1. Time, Date, and Place > > Time: 12:00 pm - 5:30 pm > > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 > > Location: California State University, Los Angeles > > Building: College of Engineering, Computer Science, and Technology > > Room: E&T A220 > > > > 2. Marketing Materials > > - Fedora 9 Banners: Print these on this Friday at Kinko's like this > > and post it around campus next week. I'm going to look for some design > > from the Media Arts team. > > - Fliers: To be given out and put on all around campus, the > > fliers should have the design design of the Fedora 9 coming up design > > release, and that there's a website where they could vote > > (http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487) on, time, date, > > place where the event will be held. That way I could anticipate on how > > many people would come to the event. These will be printed at the same > > time when I print the banner. Voting is not required to come to the > > event, some people have a time, some don't, but I encouraged them to > > do so, so that I can anticipate numbers. > > - Me and some of my team on campus would give some class announcements > > about the event. > > > > 3. At the Event > > - Someone gives a talk during the event about Fedora 9. I'm thinking > > about Thomas [1], since he's probably also the only one who's around > > in my area? Or someone from Red Hat? > > - Free pizzas and sodas at the event for all of the attendance. (am I > > going to get reimbursement for this?) > > - USB Creation Stations > > - Free Fedora 9 Live CDs > > - Free Fedora 9 DVDs > > - Questions and Answers sessions > > > > 4. Timeline > > 12:00 - 12:30 Opening Remarks > > 12:30 - 1:30 Lunch > > 1:30 - 2:30 Guest Speaker(s) (will be decided) > > 2:30 - 3:30 Questions and Answers > > 3:30 Dismissed > > > > Please give me inputs, feedbacks, comments, etc. > > Details of the event: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party#preview > > > > Thanks, > > Grady Laksmono > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > > Your review is excellent! Thank you Francesco From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 17:30:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:00:05 +0530 Subject: Atheros hires ath5k developer Message-ID: <4806379D.4020707@fedoraproject.org> Hi Not Fedora specific but considering that this has been a long standing issue, we couldn't solve immediately without non-free bits, this is very good news. http://lwn.net/Articles/278132/rss "When kernel developers talk about problematic hardware vendors, Atheros often appears near the top of their lists. So this announcement from Luis Rodriguez, a developer of the reverse-engineered ath5k driver, is intriguing: "I write to you to inform you that I have decided to join Atheros as a full time employee, as a Software Engineer, to help them with their goals and mission to get every device of Atheros supported upstream in the Linux kernel." What will come of this remains to be seen, but if it truly signals a change of heart at Atheros (and isn't a late April 1 posting), it is a most welcome development. " Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 17:58:14 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:58:14 -0700 Subject: Atheros hires ath5k developer In-Reply-To: <4806379D.4020707@fedoraproject.org> References: <4806379D.4020707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0804161058u695b2123v495bccdd4ea788ca@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Not Fedora specific but considering that this has been a long standing > issue, we couldn't solve immediately without non-free bits, this is very > good news. > > http://lwn.net/Articles/278132/rss > > "When kernel developers talk about problematic hardware vendors, Atheros > often appears near the top of their lists. So this announcement from Luis > Rodriguez, a developer of the reverse-engineered ath5k driver, is > intriguing: "I write to you to inform you that I have decided to join > Atheros as a full time employee, as a Software Engineer, to help them with > their goals and mission to get every device of Atheros supported upstream in > the Linux kernel." What will come of this remains to be seen, but if it > truly signals a change of heart at Atheros (and isn't a late April 1 > posting), it is a most welcome development. " Kudos to him! Someday, this type of bug[1] will be thing of past. :) [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=254192 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 18:15:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:45:09 +0530 Subject: Fedora - Freedom To Innovate Message-ID: <4806422D.3050702@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Does $subject sound like a good slogan? Rahul From amoncada at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 18:18:23 2008 From: amoncada at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Moncada) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:18:23 -0500 Subject: Fedora - Freedom To Innovate In-Reply-To: <4806422D.3050702@fedoraproject.org> References: <4806422D.3050702@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: good +1 :) 2008/4/16, Rahul Sundaram : > > Hi, > > Does $subject sound like a good slogan? > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alejandro Moncada Pastran IEEE UD Cluster Manager & Webserver Manager Fedora Project - Ambassador Colombia Finger Print B683 F71D F8E4 08FC 6894 41E1 BBA7 2180 GPG Key ID 0x87622784 Server Key pgp.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glaksmono at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 18:22:05 2008 From: glaksmono at fedoraproject.org (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:22:05 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers Message-ID: Hi all, Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party. Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be really appreciate it. Here's the links for more detailed information: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party Thanks, Grady Laksmono http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 19:01:22 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > Pretty bad, isn't it? So, show me what you can do. Work up a flyer > that looks better than my attempt so Fedora can have a decent looking > Release Party announcement flyer - I set the bar pretty low! What do you think? http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 19:02:04 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:02:04 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48064D2C.40606@fedoraproject.org> Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for > the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the > printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but > they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they > could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a > programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better > if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora > will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 > Release Party. > > Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be > really appreciate it. > > Here's the links for more detailed information: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 > http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party > I just did this one for Jeffrey Tadlock; feel free to use it! http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ ~m From mthompso at redhat.com Wed Apr 16 19:08:36 2008 From: mthompso at redhat.com (Michelle Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:08:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48064EB4.10902@redhat.com> I have one small suggestion. and then an even smaller suggestion/comment. :) 1) after the word 'release' in that middle paragraph, i think you meant a comma to separate and not a period now, for a very tiny, subjective comment that you can totally ignore if you want to: 2) perhaps we ditch the exclamation after release party in the very top title? there are two other exlamations in the flyer already (one after the tag line and then another one after contest), so i feel like the title one might could go. that way, it's the Fedora 9 Release Party (sort of the title of the event) and we're exclaiming the come join! part and the contest! part cheers, mt M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: >> Pretty bad, isn't it? So, show me what you can do. Work up a flyer >> that looks better than my attempt so Fedora can have a decent looking >> Release Party announcement flyer - I set the bar pretty low! > > What do you think? > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ > > ~m > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 19:15:27 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:15:27 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <48064EB4.10902@redhat.com> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> <48064EB4.10902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4806504F.1050201@fedoraproject.org> Michelle Thompson wrote: > I have one small suggestion. and then an even smaller > suggestion/comment. :) > > 1) after the word 'release' in that middle paragraph, i think you meant > a comma to separate and not a period +1 this was a typo i totally missed > > now, for a very tiny, subjective comment that you can totally ignore if > you want to: > 2) perhaps we ditch the exclamation after release party in the very top > title? yeh i agree! it's too excited! too much coffeee! (took it out :) ) ~m From glaksmono at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 21:08:00 2008 From: glaksmono at fedoraproject.org (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:08:00 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: <48064D2C.40606@fedoraproject.org> References: <48064D2C.40606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Mairin - Grady On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for > > the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the > > printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but > > they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they > > could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a > > programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better > > if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora > > will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 > > Release Party. > > > > Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be > > really appreciate it. > > > > Here's the links for more detailed information: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 > > > http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party > > > > > > I just did this one for Jeffrey Tadlock; feel free to use it! > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Apr 16 21:39:35 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:39:35 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anybody have some type of posters for Fedora 9? I'd want to get the price quote on that one instead. I'd think that I could produce the fliers using the college's copy machine, which is free!!! :) Thanks, Grady On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for > the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the > printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but > they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they > could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a > programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better > if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora > will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 > Release Party. > > Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be > really appreciate it. > > Here's the links for more detailed information: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 > http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party > > Thanks, > Grady Laksmono > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Apr 16 23:29:11 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:29:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804161629n110ee14bvd8787513cd1f724b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > What do you think? > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ << viewed after the other suggested changes >> That looks great! Thanks M?ir?n - I really appreciate the work! I know you folks have been busy getting other things ready for the F9 release. Thank you! Jeffrey From glaksmono at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 16 23:48:52 2008 From: glaksmono at fedoraproject.org (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:48:52 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help In-Reply-To: <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> References: <10e0a9b00804131233wf0db89ax7eaf4552883ace77@mail.gmail.com> <48064D02.9080107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: It's really nice, Thank you Mairin! - Grady On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:01 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > > Pretty bad, isn't it? So, show me what you can do. Work up a flyer > > that looks better than my attempt so Fedora can have a decent looking > > Release Party announcement flyer - I set the bar pretty low! > > > > What do you think? > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ > > ~m > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Apr 17 07:39:58 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:39:58 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: <1049868438.4981208417836693.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1049868438.4981208417836693.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: That would be great Samuele, I've got the fliers and USB design from the other topic in the mailing list. I guess starting out with posters would be great. - Grady On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Samuele Storari wrote: > I don't see any poster or material for the new release, but I can do something. > I will post it on the Wiki ASAP so we can have a base of work. > > Ciao > Samuele > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grady Laksmono" > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:39:35 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna > Subject: Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers > > Does anybody have some type of posters for Fedora 9? I'd want to get > the price quote on that one instead. I'd think that I could produce > the fliers using the college's copy machine, which is free!!! :) > > Thanks, > Grady > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Grady Laksmono > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for > > the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the > > printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but > > they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they > > could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a > > programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better > > if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora > > will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 > > Release Party. > > > > Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be > > really appreciate it. > > > > Here's the links for more detailed information: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 > > http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party > > > > Thanks, > > Grady Laksmono > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Apr 17 16:07:33 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:07:33 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: <1078838855.5371208423279091.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1078838855.5371208423279091.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: Hi Samuele, That's really nice! What is that blue thing on the top of the sulphur? Thanks, Grady On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi > U can find a first layout for the party on your wiki page, i've uploaded here the files cos I really don't know where instead. > Let me know ur impression. ;) > > > Samuele > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grady Laksmono" > > > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:39:58 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna > Subject: Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers > > That would be great Samuele, > I've got the fliers and USB design from the other topic in the mailing > list. I guess starting out with posters would be great. > > - Grady > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Samuele Storari > wrote: > > I don't see any poster or material for the new release, but I can do something. > > I will post it on the Wiki ASAP so we can have a base of work. > > > > Ciao > > Samuele > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grady Laksmono" > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:39:35 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna > > Subject: Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers > > > > Does anybody have some type of posters for Fedora 9? I'd want to get > > the price quote on that one instead. I'd think that I could produce > > the fliers using the college's copy machine, which is free!!! :) > > > > Thanks, > > Grady > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Grady Laksmono > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for > > > the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the > > > printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but > > > they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they > > > could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a > > > programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better > > > if I could get some "real" design from Fedora artists such that Fedora > > > will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 > > > Release Party. > > > > > > Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be > > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > Here's the links for more detailed information: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > > http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 > > > http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Grady Laksmono > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Apr 17 16:19:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:19:06 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: References: <1078838855.5371208423279091.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <4807787A.2090605@nicubunu.ro> Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi Samuele, > That's really nice! What is that blue thing on the top of the sulphur? That is supposed to be blue fire, it was one concept we pushed during the theme development (we thought it looks cool and is a tie-in with the Fedora blue identity) but it was abandoned recently. > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Samuele Storari wrote: >> Hi >> U can find a first layout for the party on your wiki page, i've uploaded here the files cos I really don't know where instead. >> Let me know ur impression. ;) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Apr 17 16:29:05 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:29:05 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: <4807787A.2090605@nicubunu.ro> References: <1078838855.5371208423279091.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4807787A.2090605@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Oh i see, it's really nice and I like it. I'm going to send this to the printing service and ask for a price quote for this banner :) Thanks all, Grady On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > Hi Samuele, > > That's really nice! What is that blue thing on the top of the sulphur? > > > > That is supposed to be blue fire, it was one concept we pushed during the > theme development (we thought it looks cool and is a tie-in with the Fedora > blue identity) but it was abandoned recently. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Samuele Storari > wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > U can find a first layout for the party on your wiki page, i've > uploaded here the files cos I really don't know where instead. > > > Let me know ur impression. ;) > > > > > > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Apr 17 20:17:42 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:17:42 -0700 Subject: R: Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers In-Reply-To: <360333933.6891208460204587.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <2144847409.6871208460099703.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <360333933.6891208460204587.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: Hi Samuele, I'm going to use it for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party Thanks, Grady http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Oh... sorry I dunno the fire was lived apart. > May I could modify it tomorrow, or u can use it in this way. Let me know ur purpose. :) > > Ciao > Samuele > ----- Messaggio originale ----- > Da: "Grady Laksmono" > A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Cc: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Inviato: Gioved?, 17 aprile 2008 18:29:05 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna > Oggetto: Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers > > Oh i see, it's really nice and I like it. I'm going to send this to > the printing service and ask for a price quote for this banner :) > > Thanks all, > Grady > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > > > Hi Samuele, > > > That's really nice! What is that blue thing on the top of the sulphur? > > > > > > > That is supposed to be blue fire, it was one concept we pushed during the > > theme development (we thought it looks cool and is a tie-in with the Fedora > > blue identity) but it was abandoned recently. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Samuele Storari > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > U can find a first layout for the party on your wiki page, i've > > uploaded here the files cos I really don't know where instead. > > > > Let me know ur impression. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 20:56:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:56:04 -0400 Subject: Pages Message-ID: <20080417205604.GA20055@localhost.localdomain> I created two new pages in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications These are linked from the main Marketing/Press page as well. We can use these to list people in the external press who we would contact about Fedora happenings. We get a little bit of chaos-taming out of it, and I suppose they get some free advertisement for their particular outlets. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Apr 19 02:17:30 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:17:30 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting IRC Log - 2008-04-17 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804181917s1126a164pe74ff7e7828b550e@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to the HTML version of the Marketing Meeting log. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080417 Raw log below: 15:03 < quaid> yes, there is a meeting today 15:07 < stickster> Well, no time like the present. 15:08 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks 15:08 * quaid was building a Dagwood, sorry 15:08 < stickster> Our marketing maestro isn't here, he's in Brazil. 15:08 < quaid> oh la di da for they 15:08 < stickster> And, I assume, disconnected, inebriated, or trapped under something very heavy. 15:09 < quaid> shall we roll down the list then? 15:10 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories 15:10 < stickster> Yes 15:10 < stickster> So... we haven't received many additional stories following gregdek_gone's digg. 15:11 < stickster> One or two at most. 15:11 < quaid> more blogging? 15:11 < stickster> I have several that are interesting and I've started contacting the posters for more information. 15:11 < quaid> more ask-yer-local-LUG? 15:12 < stickster> Sure, we can carpet-bomb the planet some more 15:13 * stickster looking up digg for count 15:13 < stickster> 194? Is that it? 15:13 * stickster wonders why every single Red Hat employee is not digging stories. 15:14 < iWolf> we have horrible luck at getting things up high on Digg. 15:14 < stickster> Oh wait... 15:14 < stickster> more stories on that page now! 15:14 < quaid> with one exception 15:14 < stickster> :-D 15:14 < stickster> Mainly they're all "I love using Fedora." 15:14 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:14 < stickster> Never mind then. 15:15 < stickster> Let's move on from here, with the action item being "Paul to remind people to give up the stories." 15:15 < quaid> word 15:15 < quaid> that would make it 'talk bubbles' 15:17 < quaid> mizmo: one presumes you'll take some iterations to f-marketing-l when you get them 15:18 < quaid> one also presumes mizmo is unavailable 15:18 < stickster> heh 15:19 < quaid> well, when there are enough stories to start with? save naggin' 'til then 15:19 -!- drunkencoder [n=lifesuck at 122.167.28.151] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:21 < tw2113> well attended meeting 15:21 < quaid> heh 15:21 -!- kushal [n=kd at 122.167.28.151] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:21 < quaid> well announced, too 15:21 < quaid> moving along 15:21 < quaid> "12:21 < tw2113> well attended meeting 15:21 < kushal> ! 15:21 < quaid> oops, wrong paste 15:21 < quaid> Combo demo/interviews for cool F9 features 15:22 < quaid> Mr stickster ? 15:22 < kushal> I have one question ? (my system did a reboot :( ) 15:23 < quaid> kushal: yes? 15:24 < kushal> quaid, in fedora stories, can Bijra project story do ? 15:24 < quaid> I don't know the details of that one, but .... 15:24 < stickster> kushal: Please post it to my blog 15:24 < stickster> kushal: It can't hurt. 15:24 < kushal> stickster, ok :) 15:24 < quaid> there ya go 15:25 < quaid> oh, stickster's blog is the page to look at, that's right 15:25 < stickster> quaid: I've pretty much covered this item above. 15:25 < stickster> i.e. contacting authors back for details 15:27 < quaid> ok 15:27 < quaid> "F9 Ambassador Word of Mouth campaigh" (sic) 15:28 < quaid> is that like a Gaelic 'campaign'? 15:28 < kushal> stickster, http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=966 is the correct link ? ( 15:28 < stickster> quaid: So far the spinal research, the robot soccer team, and the community Linux install are the best 15:28 < stickster> kushal: yes 15:28 < stickster> quaid: that needs fixing and an update, want me to edit? 15:29 < quaid> k 15:29 < quaid> are we on that topic or ... ? 15:29 < stickster> Mr. Fugolini isn't here to update... 15:29 < stickster> *sigh 15:30 < quaid> ah, ok 15:30 < quaid> moving on then ... 15:30 < quaid> "Compiling a list of Linux publications" -- OPEN 15:30 < quaid> sounds like someone just needs to start an onlist discussion then see it commuted to the wiki 15:31 < quaid> or is there more to this task? 15:31 < rharrison> Yeah, sounds like a simple wiki page to me. 15:31 * quaid thinks indepedent research is good, but so is the power of the lazy web 15:31 < quaid> anyone here would like to do an easy and useful task? 15:32 < quaid> easy and useful tasks are the bread and butter of kids like me :) ... it's how we get a reputation! 15:33 < stickster> Yeah, we also would like to get *circulation numbers* for them 15:33 < quaid> if not, I'll start the thread on the list and ask someone to roll with it ... 15:33 < stickster> So once you have the list, usually each mag has an online contact for the circ. department 15:33 < stickster> You can then request these numbers from them, since they publish it anyway. 15:34 < stickster> rharrison: Interested in doing this? 15:34 < rharrison> Just taking the responses to the email thread and pasting to the wiki? 15:34 * rharrison is verifying the task 15:34 < quaid> and getting circulation #s 15:35 < rharrison> Yeah, it'll be good motivation to keep me caught up on my email 15:35 < stickster> rharrison: I think this would be gathering the magazine names and circ using Google as your guide, and supplementing that with any email thread info. 15:35 < stickster> There's a lot you could find on the web, I'd bet. 15:36 < rharrison> yeah, the amazon link someone posted last week is probably the best place to start 15:37 < stickster> OK, rharrison will be responsible for putting this together. 15:37 < quaid> one other thing ... we can include a field for contacts, since many of us know people now at the various publications 15:37 < stickster> rharrison: You think a week would be enough time for this? 15:37 < stickster> quaid: Oh, good call! 15:38 < rharrison> yeah, I'll at least have the big names in a week. 15:38 < quaid> rharrison: you can start the email thread, too, ja? 15:38 * quaid will reply with what he has and who he knows :) 15:39 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39 < stickster> woo1 15:39 < quaid> ok, roll on? 15:40 * quaid is going to have to bail in ~5 min 15:40 < rharrison> k, /Marketing/PressContacts sound like a good place? 15:40 < quaid> and maybe /Marketing/Publications? 15:41 < stickster> Sure 15:41 < stickster> or 15:41 < stickster> Marketing/Press/Publications and Marketing/Press/Contacts 15:41 < stickster> Easier to link and agg 15:41 < quaid> ah, there 15:41 < rharrison> I would think that would be about publications we work on. Meh, wiki pages can be moved. 15:41 < quaid> wiki rule #172: "When in doubt, use a / " 15:41 < stickster> quaid: There's a Marketing/Press already too 15:42 < stickster> Ah, that's the ticket. 15:42 < stickster> At least, see if that page suffices. 15:42 < quaid> would you mind ... 15:42 < stickster> I'll do it :-) 15:43 < quaid> if we jumped to the end so i can help give status there before I vaporize? 15:43 < quaid> last four items on /Tasks 15:43 -!- TitaX [n=titax at fedora/TitaX] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:43 < quaid> < stickster> wtf? how did I get those assigned to me??!!? 15:43 < stickster> hahaha 15:44 < quaid> stickster: is that a fair assessment of what we need you and Max to do? 15:44 < quaid> and I should remove gdk from that list so he isn't overly overrepresented, and you promise to kick him from the room and not help and go have a nap instead? 15:44 < stickster> Max and I are going to be hitting this hard on Monday first thing. 15:44 < quaid> you wtf the press kit is? 15:45 < quaid> I think of it as a single page to hit e.g. wiki/Press or fp.o/press 15:45 < stickster> Nope, but we will hammer it out. 15:45 < quaid> that has base content and links to all appropriate places 15:45 < quaid> ok 15:45 < stickster> Talking points first. 15:45 < quaid> word there 15:45 < stickster> Press release flows from that. 15:45 < stickster> (partly drafted already, we'll likely critique what RH Marketing has done.) 15:45 < quaid> from that I'll update the 'Local Release Announcement' process and source material 15:45 < stickster> by which I mean, *they* have partially drafted it. 15:45 < stickster> maybe completely at this point. 15:46 < quaid> for the en_UK version (which will grudingly accept in en_US), our own jonrob has agreed to write the whimsical release announcement. 15:46 < stickster> I have a few ideas on what a Press Kit might consist of, but we'll deal in details starting on Monday. 15:46 * quaid wanted to put jonrob on the spot on the permanent record 15:46 < stickster> the word "quid" better be in there somehwer.e 15:46 < quaid> logbots, got that?!? 15:46 * stickster fires his typist. 15:46 < quaid> I like "fiver" 15:47 < quaid> oh, and last of the list item to run over ... 15:47 < quaid> the SSS itself 15:47 < quaid> in Docs yesterday we decided we had done as much this release as we could 15:47 < quaid> things are going on anyway, etc. 15:48 < quaid> we made progress but didn't get the system in place in time, lesson learned 15:48 < quaid> so we'll not try to do too much cleverness at this point, just use the gathered content, modify as we go, and clean-up just after F9 release 15:48 < stickster> quaid: Some of this *might* flow from me and Max. 15:48 * quaid has already noted that in the shed-yool 15:49 < stickster> Really what it needs is a few hours where we can ditch some of the other BS going on and just concentrate on the marketing stuff. 15:49 < quaid> stickster: hey, if you guys get all hot-on-the-ball, go for it 15:49 < quaid> if you do that though ... 15:49 < stickster> Nobody hold your breath, but we do tend to GTD pretty well when we do f2f 15:49 < quaid> try to pull in someone like choke; even if it means after hours a bit 15:49 < quaid> share that wiki editing love, too 15:50 < stickster> Absolutely, there will be other folks there too 15:50 < quaid> ok, them's my points 15:50 < stickster> That's the main reason I'm going to RDU -- to work directly with the CorpMarketing folks 15:50 * quaid jets 15:50 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:52 < stickster> Bye quaid From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 06:10:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:40:12 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 : Good News. Bad News. Message-ID: <48098CC4.7040308@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/fedora-9-good-news-bad-news.html "In the grand scheme of things, two weeks isn't really a big deal at all. Especially since the extra two weeks are really all about testing. Fedora 9 is an important release for both Red Hat and the Fedora community in that it will introduce several new innovations to the Linux distribution. Key among those innovations is FreeIPA, which is a tool for system administrators to install, set up and administer centralized identity management and authentication. The new PackageKit system that I wrote about at the time of the Fedora 9 Beta last month is also very interesting.Fedora 9 will also be the first Fedora release that will provide full support for the KDE 4 Linux desktop. " Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 08:28:12 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:28:12 +0100 Subject: Marketing Meeting IRC Log - 2008-04-17 In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00804181917s1126a164pe74ff7e7828b550e@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00804181917s1126a164pe74ff7e7828b550e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804190128u4c4d9a1ofe5ffae3e53e3ec9@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Just out of interest when was this meeting announced!? I know I missed one or two, but was definitely planning on attending this weeks, but didn't see any mention of it on the wiki or list so assumed there was nothing happening - lol I guess it's quite probable I didn't see something blatent! On that topic, when is next weeks meeting, if there is one? Are we back to the usual Thursdays or is it becoming a regular Friday affair? Best, Jon From danishka at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 09:38:06 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:08:06 +0530 Subject: Sitting with Ubuntu for a Workshop Message-ID: Hi Guys, Sri Lanka Linux community will be orgnizing workshop for Maldivian students association as per their request. I'm planning to show up the Fedora 9 New features and l10n as well. As most of our members prefer Ubuntu, I don't want to criticizes other bistros, but want to show the true advantages over F9. Date is yet to be fixd, so planning to introduce Fedora Live USB Self Service PC. ;-) Appreciate your points, suggestions and previous experience. -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Apr 19 10:52:49 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:52:49 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting IRC Log - 2008-04-17 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190128u4c4d9a1ofe5ffae3e53e3ec9@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00804181917s1126a164pe74ff7e7828b550e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804190128u4c4d9a1ofe5ffae3e53e3ec9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804190352l306211d5s3bbd14f305d16845@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Just out of interest when was this meeting announced!? I know I missed > one or two, but was definitely planning on attending this weeks, but > didn't see any mention of it on the wiki or list so assumed there was > nothing happening - lol I guess it's quite probable I didn't see > something blatent! I am not sure it was announced. It seems to have turned into a standing meeting. :) > On that topic, when is next weeks meeting, if there is one? Are we > back to the usual Thursdays or is it becoming a regular Friday affair? I updated the wiki page [1] to reflect a meeting next week on April 24 at 19:00 UTC. This week's meeting was on Thursday as well, I just didn't post IRC logs until Friday. Thanks! Jeffrey From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 12:13:37 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:37 +0100 Subject: Marketing Meeting IRC Log - 2008-04-17 In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00804190352l306211d5s3bbd14f305d16845@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00804181917s1126a164pe74ff7e7828b550e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804190128u4c4d9a1ofe5ffae3e53e3ec9@mail.gmail.com> <10e0a9b00804190352l306211d5s3bbd14f305d16845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804190513o5b57e2b0oabf7015a048040dc@mail.gmail.com> On 19/04/2008, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > Just out of interest when was this meeting announced!? I know I missed > > one or two, but was definitely planning on attending this weeks, but > > didn't see any mention of it on the wiki or list so assumed there was > > nothing happening - lol I guess it's quite probable I didn't see > > something blatent! > > I am not sure it was announced. It seems to have turned into a > standing meeting. :) > > > On that topic, when is next weeks meeting, if there is one? Are we > > back to the usual Thursdays or is it becoming a regular Friday affair? > > I updated the wiki page [1] to reflect a meeting next week on April 24 > at 19:00 UTC. This week's meeting was on Thursday as well, I just > didn't post IRC logs until Friday. Thanks :) Barring my forgetfulness, I'll be there! Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 12:52:58 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:52:58 +0100 Subject: 5 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 9 Message-ID: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> I had some spare time and a few requests to fulfill, so with the slipped final release date of Fedora 9 I put together this short blog post about Fedora 9 and why you'll love it. I've tried to write it as blatant digg fodder, even making it a "x reasons you'll love" post, and being very careful to point out all the contributions made by Fedora developers upstream. http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/ Read it there, and if you like it and think it does a good job for marketing, digg it here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Reasons_You_ll_Love_Fedora_9 I don't know if Matthias reads this list, but he was my motivation for writing this as I didn't manage to get the interview about X RandR support done in time, and with the Ubuntu release coming soon I wanted to "claim credit" as he'd suggested in one form or another :) Best wishes, Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Apr 19 13:17:09 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:17:09 -0400 Subject: 5 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00804190617u283b2bdp94004f6c554c383e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've tried to write it as blatant digg fodder, even making it a "x > reasons you'll love" post, and being very careful to point out all the > contributions made by Fedora developers upstream. > > http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/ > > Read it there, and if you like it and think it does a good job for > marketing, digg it here: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Reasons_You_ll_Love_Fedora_9 > Great post Jon! Let's see how many digg's we can get on this post, it does a great job of highlighting some of the Fedora 9 features. Thanks, Jeffrey From gdk at redhat.com Sat Apr 19 13:57:48 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 5 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome work as always, dude. /me goes to Digg it. --g On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I had some spare time and a few requests to fulfill, so with the > slipped final release date of Fedora 9 I put together this short blog > post about Fedora 9 and why you'll love it. > > I've tried to write it as blatant digg fodder, even making it a "x > reasons you'll love" post, and being very careful to point out all the > contributions made by Fedora developers upstream. > > http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/ > > Read it there, and if you like it and think it does a good job for > marketing, digg it here: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Reasons_You_ll_Love_Fedora_9 > > I don't know if Matthias reads this list, but he was my motivation for > writing this as I didn't manage to get the interview about X RandR > support done in time, and with the Ubuntu release coming soon I wanted > to "claim credit" as he'd suggested in one form or another :) > > Best wishes, > > Jon > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 15:38:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:08:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Sitting with Ubuntu for a Workshop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480A1204.4070709@fedoraproject.org> Danishka Navin wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Sri Lanka Linux community will be orgnizing workshop for Maldivian > students association as per their request. > I'm planning to show up the Fedora 9 New features and l10n as well. > As most of our members prefer Ubuntu, I don't want to criticizes other > bistros, but want to show the true advantages over F9. > > Date is yet to be fixd, so planning to introduce Fedora Live USB Self > Service PC. ;-) > > Appreciate your points, suggestions and previous experience. A generic intro: ---------------- You can reuse and modify as necessary the intro presentation from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations Fedora is fully committed to Free and open source software and staying close to upstream as much as possible. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream Fedora drives a lot of the upstream work shared by other distributions. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions Security is a key focus area http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features Virtualization is another. Refer to virt-manager, libvirt etc. A open build system, koji, a unified repository along with livecd-creator, pungi and revisors supports custom variants of Fedora that are called Fedora spins very easily. Rebranding is supported via the generic-logos package. We have a easy way to support persistence and creating a bootable USB key is trivial. There are a large number of such spins - desktop (gnome), KDE, Xfce live images, Electronics Lab, games and several upcoming ones. https://fedorahosted.org/transifex is a web service (completely Free software) that understands different source code management systems and presents a unified easy to use web interface and works towards committing changes upstream and then inheriting those changes in Fedora. Fedora is well known for presenting a great look and feel including a fresh new default theme every release. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork Fedora in a continuation of Red Hat Linux released first in November 3 1994. It is also the upstream for more than a hundred derivatives including significant ones such as OLPC and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions A common misconception ---------------------- This is a common misconception that you might want to clarify upfront: RPM format ~= DEB format RPM tool ~= dpkg Yum, apt-rpm, smart ~= apt RPM is not comparable to apt-get. It is comparable to dpkg. In fact, both RPM and Apt-RPM upstreams are maintained by the same Fedora/Red Hat developer. We have yum, apt-rpm(synaptic) and smart available in the Fedora repository and they all support the same repomd metadata format. RPM supports many additional things including multi-lib (the ability to install both 32-bit and 64-bit libs in parallel), file based dependencies (though we don't use it much), triggers (which recently has been in the dpkg fork in Ubuntu but not in Debian) and others. We choose yum over apt-rpm as the default because it was a good replacement for up2date using the same language (python), ease of development and also because apt-rpm upstream was dead as the time we had to chose and didn't support features like multi-lib that was crucial to us. For performance improvements, demonstrate the speed in Fedora 9. ---- Fedora 9 specific ----------------- http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/ is a pretty good intro. I would also definitely highlight FreeIPA better. Closing ------- Fedora and Ubuntu share a lot of the same software due to Fedora's free software and upstream friendly policy. In particular, Ubuntu has inherited system-config-printer, virt-manager, PulseAudio etc from us and we have recently inherited Upstart from Ubuntu. We have constantly learn from each other and while many of the contributors understand this very well, users still need to. ---- Hope that helps. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 15:47:27 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:17:27 +0530 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > We should probably start working on this soon to make sure it's in > good shape for the final release? > > I think the work already done on the beta release notes is a great > foundation, it probably just needs tidying up a bit and updating here > and there. > > Is this going in the SSS? A while back, I added a note to the release notes overview and a link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary We should probably highlight the major new features here. I would reuse a lot of your recent blog post but also expand on the many other features in the last para a bit more. That would a pretty good release summary. Highlight the USP's first but also any new improvement gets a place in there too. Rahul From omen at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 15:53:53 2008 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (Saadaldine AlSaidi) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:53:53 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 : Good News. Bad News. In-Reply-To: <48098CC4.7040308@fedoraproject.org> References: <48098CC4.7040308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800804190853l465a3404i8af3a7d70530b0a8@mail.gmail.com> This is Really great news, but I feel we can get over the bad news as soon as the release is here. On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/fedora-9-good-news-bad-news.html > > "In the grand scheme of things, two weeks isn't really a big deal at all. > Especially since the extra two weeks are really all about testing. Fedora 9 > is an important release for both Red Hat and the Fedora community in that it > will introduce several new innovations to the Linux distribution. > > Key among those innovations is FreeIPA, which is a tool for system > administrators to install, set up and administer centralized identity > management and authentication. The new PackageKit system that I wrote about > at the time of the Fedora 9 Beta last month is also very interesting.Fedora > 9 will also be the first Fedora release that will provide full support for > the KDE 4 Linux desktop. " > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Danishka Navin wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Sri Lanka Linux community will be orgnizing workshop for Maldivian > > students association as per their request. > > I'm planning to show up the Fedora 9 New features and l10n as well. > > As most of our members prefer Ubuntu, I don't want to criticizes other > > bistros, but want to show the true advantages over F9. > > > > Date is yet to be fixd, so planning to introduce Fedora Live USB Self > > Service PC. ;-) > > > > Appreciate your points, suggestions and previous experience. > > > > A generic intro: > ---------------- > You can reuse and modify as necessary the intro presentation from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations > > Fedora is fully committed to Free and open source software and staying > close to upstream as much as possible. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WhyUpstream > > Fedora drives a lot of the upstream work shared by other distributions. > > Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions > > Security is a key focus area > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features > > Virtualization is another. Refer to virt-manager, libvirt etc. > > A open build system, koji, a unified repository along with livecd-creator, > pungi and revisors supports custom variants of Fedora that are called Fedora > spins very easily. Rebranding is supported via the generic-logos package. We > have a easy way to support persistence and creating a bootable USB key is > trivial. There are a large number of such spins - desktop (gnome), KDE, Xfce > live images, Electronics Lab, games and several upcoming ones. > > https://fedorahosted.org/transifex is a web service (completely Free > software) that understands different source code management systems and > presents a unified easy to use web interface and works towards committing > changes upstream and then inheriting those changes in Fedora. > > Fedora is well known for presenting a great look and feel including a > fresh new default theme every release. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > > Fedora in a continuation of Red Hat Linux released first in November 3 > 1994. It is also the upstream for more than a hundred derivatives including > significant ones such as OLPC and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions > > A common misconception > ---------------------- > > This is a common misconception that you might want to clarify upfront: > > RPM format ~= DEB format > RPM tool ~= dpkg > Yum, apt-rpm, smart ~= apt > > RPM is not comparable to apt-get. It is comparable to dpkg. In fact, both > RPM and Apt-RPM upstreams are maintained by the same Fedora/Red Hat > developer. We have yum, apt-rpm(synaptic) and smart available in the Fedora > repository and they all support the same repomd metadata format. > > RPM supports many additional things including multi-lib (the ability to > install both 32-bit and 64-bit libs in parallel), file based dependencies > (though we don't use it much), triggers (which recently has been in the dpkg > fork in Ubuntu but not in Debian) and others. > > We choose yum over apt-rpm as the default because it was a good > replacement for up2date using the same language (python), ease of > development and also because apt-rpm upstream was dead as the time we had to > chose and didn't support features like multi-lib that was crucial to us. For > performance improvements, demonstrate the speed in Fedora 9. > > ---- > > Fedora 9 specific > ----------------- > > http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/5-reasons-why-youll-love-fedora-9/is a pretty good intro. I would also definitely highlight FreeIPA better. > > Closing > ------- > > Fedora and Ubuntu share a lot of the same software due to Fedora's free > software and upstream friendly policy. In particular, Ubuntu has inherited > system-config-printer, virt-manager, PulseAudio etc from us and we have > recently inherited Upstart from Ubuntu. We have constantly learn from each > other and while many of the contributors understand this very well, users > still need to. > ---- > > Hope that helps. > yeah, why NOT :D what quick & good reply Waiting for more stuff from other Fedora geeks :) > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 15:59:05 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:59:05 +0100 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804150705y10258ec5y6fef0e94a88e163@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0804150705y10258ec5y6fef0e94a88e163@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804190859x553d74b8h6be4fdf10e128e78@mail.gmail.com> Hmm no more interest?! I've so far 2 people on my list! Would anybody else care to suggest how we could rouse some more interest? Or is this effort not worth following? Best wishes all, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 16:11:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:41:07 +0530 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190859x553d74b8h6be4fdf10e128e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0804150705y10258ec5y6fef0e94a88e163@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804190859x553d74b8h6be4fdf10e128e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480A199B.3050605@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hmm no more interest?! I've so far 2 people on my list! Would anybody > else care to suggest how we could rouse some more interest? Or is this > effort not worth following? You might try to ping individual developers offlist. In particular any of the feature owners in the Fedora 9 feature list and also people who are leading major efforts like Dan Walsh etc are fair game. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 16:24:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:24:53 +0100 Subject: Offer to help editors? Message-ID: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A while back at a mktg meeting we talked about getting in touch with the staff/editors at various Linux and computing magazines to ask how we can make their lives easier, how we can make it easier for them to find information about Fedora which can serve as the basis of a story. I think this kind of dialog could be very productive, certainly I had a good response from Joe (can't remember surname) from Linux Magazine following a conversation along these lines. I've posted a draft of a potential e-mail that could be sent out, but I want to get people's opinions and permission before I do this! --------------- Hi there, I'm writing to you on behalf of the Fedora Project to ask how we can help make your life a little easier. Obviously as one of the leading GNU/Linux distributions, $publication has covered us a number of times in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. What we'd like to do is find out how you gather information for the stories you write, and how that process can be improved. As a starting point, we'd like to point you at our feature list. Every release this is created and maintained by our developers to provide information about the features they're working on - both technical implementation details, and also details on the potential impact for end-users can be found here. We hope that this will not only improve our internal co-ordination, but allow members of the press to get an early look at technologies that will be significant over the coming months. It can be found at the following web address: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/FeatureList Where # is the number of the release you're interested in. One other important piece of documentation that you might like to be aware of, and which might stand to make your life a little easier, is that with every development release (alpha, beta etc) we create a single page set of Release Notes that detail how the features detailed on the feature list are coming together at that particular point in time. This can be found at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/$MileStone/ReleaseNotes Where # is the number of the release you're interested in, and $MileStone is the formal title of the mile stone you're interested in, such as alpha or beta. I hope you find this information useful. If you have any suggestions on how you'd like to see these resources improved or what new resources you'd like to see created (or any other reason, for that matter), please don't hesitate to contact us and we'll see what we can do to help. Yours kindly, ----------------------------------------- Best wishes, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 16:25:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:25:59 +0100 Subject: Podcast People In-Reply-To: <480A199B.3050605@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0804150329s53b7367dl4d70a4fe92d405db@mail.gmail.com> <48048F16.7030906@nicubunu.ro> <507738ef0804150705y10258ec5y6fef0e94a88e163@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804190859x553d74b8h6be4fdf10e128e78@mail.gmail.com> <480A199B.3050605@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0804190925t3cdd1362va9fdeddca623ea0e@mail.gmail.com> On 19/04/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > Hmm no more interest?! I've so far 2 people on my list! Would anybody > > else care to suggest how we could rouse some more interest? Or is this > > effort not worth following? > > > > You might try to ping individual developers offlist. In particular any of > the feature owners in the Fedora 9 feature list and also people who are > leading major efforts like Dan Walsh etc are fair game. Haha I'm going to be oh so popular with them!! I think it's a good suggestion, and I'll get to work on that now :) (OK, maybe not now, but soon...) Best wishes, Jon From gdk at redhat.com Sat Apr 19 17:24:38 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > A while back at a mktg meeting we talked about getting in touch with > the staff/editors at various Linux and computing magazines to ask how > we can make their lives easier, how we can make it easier for them to > find information about Fedora which can serve as the basis of a story. > > I think this kind of dialog could be very productive, certainly I had > a good response from Joe (can't remember surname) from Linux Magazine > following a conversation along these lines. I've posted a draft of a > potential e-mail that could be sent out, but I want to get people's > opinions and permission before I do this! You go. This is brilliant stuff. --g > --------------- > > Hi there, > > I'm writing to you on behalf of the Fedora Project to ask how we can > help make your life a little easier. > > Obviously as one of the leading GNU/Linux distributions, $publication > has covered us a number of times in the past, and will continue to do > so in the future. What we'd like to do is find out how you gather > information for the stories you write, and how that process can be > improved. > > As a starting point, we'd like to point you at our feature list. Every > release this is created and maintained by our developers to provide > information about the features they're working on - both technical > implementation details, and also details on the potential impact for > end-users can be found here. We hope that this will not only improve > our internal co-ordination, but allow members of the press to get an > early look at technologies that will be significant over the coming > months. It can be found at the following web address: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/FeatureList > > Where # is the number of the release you're interested in. > > One other important piece of documentation that you might like to be > aware of, and which might stand to make your life a little easier, is > that with every development release (alpha, beta etc) we create a > single page set of Release Notes that detail how the features detailed > on the feature list are coming together at that particular point in > time. This can be found at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/$MileStone/ReleaseNotes > > Where # is the number of the release you're interested in, and > $MileStone is the formal title of the mile stone you're interested in, > such as alpha or beta. > > I hope you find this information useful. If you have any suggestions > on how you'd like to see these resources improved or what new > resources you'd like to see created (or any other reason, for that > matter), please don't hesitate to contact us and we'll see what we can > do to help. > > Yours kindly, > > ----------------------------------------- > > Best wishes, > > Jon > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 18:24:32 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:24:32 +0100 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804191124t2673eb32m722bee1f68c088a@mail.gmail.com> > You go. This is brilliant stuff. People might be interested in the following list of possible contacts at various publications - I saw something posted about this sort of thing recently? It's by no means comprehensive, but it's a start and covers some of the bigger ones I think: ---------------- Linux World, www.linuxworld.com, Don Marti - dmarti at linuxworld.com Desktop Linux, www.desktoplinux.com, desktoplinux at ziffdavisenterprise.com Linux Today/Jupiter Media, www.linuxtoday.com, marketing at jupitermedia.com NewsForge/Linux.com, www.newsforge.com/www.linux.com, editors at linux.com Linux Weekly News, www.lwn.net, lwn at lwn.net Linux Format, www.linuxformat.co.uk, Paul Hudson - paul.hudson at futurenet.co.uk Linux Journal, www.linuxjournal.com, Jill Franklin - jill at linuxjournal.com Linux Magazine, www.linux-mag.com, Joe Brockmeier - jbrockmeier at linux-mag.com Linux +, www.lpmagazine.org, karolina.lesinska at lpmagazine.org Linux User and Developer, www.linuxuser.co.uk, Maggie Meer - maggie at linuxuser.co.uk Distrowatch, www.distrowatch.com, Ladislav Bodnar - distro at distrowatch.com ----------------- Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 19 23:35:13 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:05:13 +0530 Subject: A Preview Of Kernel-Based Mode-Setting Message-ID: <480A81B1.3060905@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kernel_modesetting&num=1 ".. One of the features that has risen towards the top of the list and delivers visible benefits to the end-user is kernel-based mode-setting. As implied by its name, kernel mode-setting involves moving the mode-setting code for video adapters from the user-space X server drivers into the Linux kernel. This may seem like an uninteresting topic for end-users, but having the mode-setting done in the kernel allows for a cleaner and richer boot process, improved suspend and resume support, and more reliable VT switching (along with other advantages)" "Kernel mode-setting isn't yet in the mainline Linux kernel nor is the API for it frozen, but Fedora 9 shipping next month will be the first major distribution carrying this initial support." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 20 00:45:19 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:15:19 +0530 Subject: First Look at Fedora 9 Preview Message-ID: <480A921F.4030505@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/04/first-look-at-fedora-9-preview.html Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_at_Fedora_9_Preview "I?VE spent a few of days in the company of Fedora 9 Preview and my first impressions are very favourable. Installed into an 8GB Virtualbox virtual machine, it?s a snappy release with a high degree of consistency and stability throughout. A lot of the hard work has been done on background stuff ? those items mentioned in my ?Big Stuff? list below. But that?s not to ignore the importance of visual appeal, where Fedora 9 scores very highly too. Anyway, here?s my early impressions and a few screenshots to whet your appetites." Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Apr 20 03:05:32 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:05:32 -0500 Subject: 5 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804190552l1607beaaoc5ed7eec5ad46380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480AB2FC.2040900@prodigy.net.mx> Incredible post, very inspirational and exciting! I believe that it has been brought up some other time by either Rahul or Jesse about having posts like these in the FP.o, it would bring awareness of such features *intrinsically* instead of through third party blogs and the like (not that I'd like blogging about Fedora to stop or that I'm implying such a thing!), only to make FP.o the primary site of awareness. Great post, and keep up the good work of promoting Fedora! From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Apr 20 03:26:52 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:26:52 -0500 Subject: A Preview Of Kernel-Based Mode-Setting In-Reply-To: <480A81B1.3060905@fedoraproject.org> References: <480A81B1.3060905@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <480AB7FC.9070603@prodigy.net.mx> Very interesting indeed! I read about this earlier today and was happily surprised to see that in Phoronix. Hopefully full integration may be part of Fedora 10. In the mean time this technology really looks great and maybe in time it'll reach the point of providing a "graphical" boot from Grub on. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 20 23:43:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:13:47 +0530 Subject: Two Weeks with Fedora 9 Message-ID: <480BD533.400@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://blogs.eweek.com/brooks/content/linux/two_weeks_with_fedora_9.html "As I mentioned above, it was Fedora 9's support of USB stick-based persistent LiveCD deployments that enticed me to download the in-development distro, and when I tried it out for myself it worked great. Fedora 9 booted up from the 2GB USB stick I used, and, through the virtue of solid state, did so a lot more quickly than CD-based LiveCD images do. I used the my portable Fedora 9 system to browse the Internet, I downloaded some things, and I installed a piece of software, too. I tried rebooting the system, and, sure enough, the changes I'd made did persist" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 20 23:47:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:17:06 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Preview Review Message-ID: <480BD5FA.8000605@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.montanalinux.org/fedora-9-preview-review.html "One new feature that I am excited about is the LiveUSB with persistant data. While the ability to create a LiveUSB stick from the LiveCD media has been a feature of Fedora for a while, the ability to have persitant data is new. For more info on that, see the interview with Jeremy Katz in Red Hat Magazine. I originally thought that the persistant data feature was only for user data but as it turns out it applies to the complete system... so not only can you store your documents... but you can also install updates, new applications, create accounts, and save settings. There is nothing special you have to do... it works just like a hard drive would." "This is the first release of FreeIPA so it currently isn't feature complete but they do have a roadmap. This sounds a lot like a Linux alterative to Microsoft's Active Directory although it is NOT trying to be a clone of Active Directory. As you would expect it is powered by a number of server applications including Fedora Directory Server" Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 03:01:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:01:29 +0000 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804191124t2673eb32m722bee1f68c088a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804191124t2673eb32m722bee1f68c088a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208746889.30297.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 19:24 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > You go. This is brilliant stuff. > > People might be interested in the following list of possible contacts > at various publications - I saw something posted about this sort of > thing recently? It's by no means comprehensive, but it's a start and > covers some of the bigger ones I think: > > ---------------- > > Linux World, www.linuxworld.com, Don Marti - dmarti at linuxworld.com > Desktop Linux, www.desktoplinux.com, desktoplinux at ziffdavisenterprise.com > Linux Today/Jupiter Media, www.linuxtoday.com, marketing at jupitermedia.com > NewsForge/Linux.com, www.newsforge.com/www.linux.com, editors at linux.com > Linux Weekly News, www.lwn.net, lwn at lwn.net > Linux Format, www.linuxformat.co.uk, Paul Hudson - paul.hudson at futurenet.co.uk > Linux Journal, www.linuxjournal.com, Jill Franklin - jill at linuxjournal.com > Linux Magazine, www.linux-mag.com, Joe Brockmeier - jbrockmeier at linux-mag.com > Linux +, www.lpmagazine.org, karolina.lesinska at lpmagazine.org > Linux User and Developer, www.linuxuser.co.uk, Maggie Meer - > maggie at linuxuser.co.uk > Distrowatch, www.distrowatch.com, Ladislav Bodnar - distro at distrowatch.com Would anyone like to make sure these are on the pages at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications ? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From romal at gmx.de Mon Apr 21 04:52:20 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:52:20 +0200 Subject: OpenStreetMap Message-ID: <480C1D84.3000500@gmx.de> Hi, struck me while editing some streets in OpenStreetMap. OpenStreetMap does allow anybody to add new attributes (tags) to a place / objects / ... We can define a tag LinuxUser / FedoraUser ... and get a map of users. Could be great for finding other people, user groups, generating maps, visualizing mirror servers. cu romal From rtlm10 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 13:53:49 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:53:49 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <1208746889.30297.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804191124t2673eb32m722bee1f68c088a@mail.gmail.com> <1208746889.30297.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130804210653j7c9225e1t42fdee6838100553@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/20 Paul W. Frields : > Would anyone like to make sure these are on the pages at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications > ? I've already got a start on these so I'll add the ones I don't have. Russell From rtlm10 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 15:34:28 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:34:28 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <1208746889.30297.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804191124t2673eb32m722bee1f68c088a@mail.gmail.com> <1208746889.30297.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130804210834w6c19b5a7qd7caa91224a28b60@mail.gmail.com> OK, all of these are on the Publications page. I'll move over the contacts to the Contacts page later in the week after the Publications list has solidified a bit more. 2008/4/20 Paul W. Frields : > On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 19:24 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > You go. This is brilliant stuff. > > > > People might be interested in the following list of possible contacts > > at various publications - I saw something posted about this sort of > > thing recently? It's by no means comprehensive, but it's a start and > > covers some of the bigger ones I think: > > > > ---------------- > > > > Linux World, www.linuxworld.com, Don Marti - dmarti at linuxworld.com > > Desktop Linux, www.desktoplinux.com, desktoplinux at ziffdavisenterprise.com > > Linux Today/Jupiter Media, www.linuxtoday.com, marketing at jupitermedia.com > > NewsForge/Linux.com, www.newsforge.com/www.linux.com, editors at linux.com > > Linux Weekly News, www.lwn.net, lwn at lwn.net > > Linux Format, www.linuxformat.co.uk, Paul Hudson - paul.hudson at futurenet.co.uk > > Linux Journal, www.linuxjournal.com, Jill Franklin - jill at linuxjournal.com > > Linux Magazine, www.linux-mag.com, Joe Brockmeier - jbrockmeier at linux-mag.com > > Linux +, www.lpmagazine.org, karolina.lesinska at lpmagazine.org > > Linux User and Developer, www.linuxuser.co.uk, Maggie Meer - > > maggie at linuxuser.co.uk > > Distrowatch, www.distrowatch.com, Ladislav Bodnar - distro at distrowatch.com > > Would anyone like to make sure these are on the pages at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications > ? > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 18:22:45 2008 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:22:45 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> Hello all, Corporate communications has established a relationship with several of the editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with the latest Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting any of these folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the beginning of May to line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul the week prior to the F9 launch. Best, Kara > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Offer to help editors? > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:24:32 +0100 > From: Jonathan Roberts > Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora > user base > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > References: > <507738ef0804190924y451943f6p5e769ebfd914629e at mail.gmail.com> > > >> You go. This is brilliant stuff. > > People might be interested in the following list of possible contacts > at various publications - I saw something posted about this sort of > thing recently? It's by no means comprehensive, but it's a start and > covers some of the bigger ones I think: > > ---------------- > > Linux World, www.linuxworld.com, Don Marti - dmarti at linuxworld.com > Desktop Linux, www.desktoplinux.com, desktoplinux at ziffdavisenterprise.com > Linux Today/Jupiter Media, www.linuxtoday.com, marketing at jupitermedia.com > NewsForge/Linux.com, www.newsforge.com/www.linux.com, editors at linux.com > Linux Weekly News, www.lwn.net, lwn at lwn.net > Linux Format, www.linuxformat.co.uk, Paul Hudson - > paul.hudson at futurenet.co.uk > Linux Journal, www.linuxjournal.com, Jill Franklin - > jill at linuxjournal.com > Linux Magazine, www.linux-mag.com, Joe Brockmeier - > jbrockmeier at linux-mag.com > Linux +, www.lpmagazine.org, karolina.lesinska at lpmagazine.org > Linux User and Developer, www.linuxuser.co.uk, Maggie Meer - > maggie at linuxuser.co.uk > Distrowatch, www.distrowatch.com, Ladislav Bodnar - > distro at distrowatch.com > > ----------------- > > Best wishes, > > Jon > -- Kara Schiltz Corporate Communications Red Hat, Inc. office: 919.301.3002 cell: 919.924.8557 RH extension 43002 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 22 18:27:37 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:57:37 +0530 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Kara Schiltz wrote: > Hello all, > > Corporate communications has established a relationship with several of > the editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with the > latest Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting any of > these folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the beginning > of May to line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul the week prior > to the F9 launch. We need to find a way to make more of the marketing activities transparent and involve the community. 1) Know what is getting done 2) How we can help Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 22 18:39:33 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:39:33 +0100 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0804221139i533b3f4ag7df52930ba736672@mail.gmail.com> On 22/04/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kara Schiltz wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > Corporate communications has established a relationship with several of > the editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with the > latest Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting any of > these folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the beginning of > May to line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul the week prior to the > F9 launch. > > > > We need to find a way to make more of the marketing activities transparent > and involve the community. > > 1) Know what is getting done > 2) How we can help +1 Also, I've sent the e-mail I posted to this list to the editors and have had some feedback. I'll leave it a short while (until the weekend, perhaps) and then I'll send a proper report so we can figure out how to move forward with what we've heard from the people contacted. Best wishes, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 19:00:06 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Corporate communications has established a relationship with several >> of the editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with >> the latest Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting >> any of these folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the >> beginning of May to line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul >> the week prior to the F9 launch. > > We need to find a way to make more of the marketing activities > transparent and involve the community. > > 1) Know what is getting done > 2) How we can help Hi all, I just want to give you some context around this thread. Kara Shiltz is a member of Red Hat's corporate communications team, and she's the person who is responsible, from the Red Hat side, for Fedora-related PR. Whenever we want to take Marketing strategy, messages, and energy from this list and channel it through Red Hat's PR team to help formalize, amplify, etc. the effort, Kara is one of the folks who is going to help us do it. What does this mean? Well, among other things, we get lots of interview requests from various publications, websites, etc. Most of those requests come around the time of the Fedora release, or whenever we have some sort of big Fedora announcement to make. Additionally, Kara works with the Fedora team (and the community) to augment the community marketing that we are doing -- We've got the Fedora Interviews segment, for example, that JonRob is leading. Kara can help to drive attention to that from other sources, like the general pool of press contacts that Red Hat has access to, etc. Kara is here to be a resource to all of us, and to augment the community marketing that we do with the professional, full time communications work that Red Hat does. So, specifically on the topic of contacts at various magazines -- it's great that we're developing that list, because it can be compared to the lists of contacts that other folks in Red Hat already have, and is helpful to both of us. Everyone needs to remember that doing "open marketing" like this, in which we actually communicate and work transparently with members of Red Hat's PR team, is a very unique way of doing business, even in the world of open source companies. Folks like me and Greg have always worked closely with RH's PR team, but now we're trying to bring more and more of that work to this list. Let's all continue to be patient with each other, work together, etc. We're doing a good job, but we have to remember that it's kind of new for everyone. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work. --Max From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 22 19:12:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:42:46 +0530 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > > Well, among other things, we get lots of interview requests from various > publications, websites, etc. Most of those requests come around the > time of the Fedora release, or whenever we have some sort of big Fedora > announcement to make. Do we notify (potentially) interested parties and explain to them the impact of some of the announcements we are making and why they are important/relevant etc? Let me give a specific recent example here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-April/msg00011.html Without a solid understanding of the governance model of Fedora, how Red Hat has participating historically and how this is changing over a period of time, the higher relevance of this announcement might just be lost. Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 19:54:17 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-08 14:00 UTC Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at 2008-05-08 14:00 UTC, which will last approximately 5 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-05-08 14:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database Mail All auth systems Unaffected Services: Torrent DNS fedorapeople.org planet Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/519 Reason for Outage: The network guys will be performing a number of upgrades during this outage window which is expected to last 5 hours. Systems will be up and down during this time. Some will be off during the duration of the time for safety / data protection. Some systems we'll be moving to alternate sites. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 22 19:36:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:36:35 +0100 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0804221236td372ab6u927d3d0dcaef577e@mail.gmail.com> > So, specifically on the topic of contacts at various magazines -- it's > great that we're developing that list, because it can be compared to the > lists of contacts that other folks in Red Hat already have, and is helpful > to both of us. Well, one thing that I'd love to see done on this front is if we could get Red Hat's internal list added to the list that we've been building? I realise this is work for someone, and if needed I'd be happy to do the leg work on it as I think it's something that's important. > Everyone needs to remember that doing "open marketing" like this, in which > we actually communicate and work transparently with members of Red Hat's PR > team, is a very unique way of doing business, even in the world of open > source companies. > > Folks like me and Greg have always worked closely with RH's PR team, but > now we're trying to bring more and more of that work to this list. Let's all > continue to be patient with each other, work together, etc. Patience is no problem :) Just trying to make sure we keep heading down the best path for us! The other thing that troubles me a little bit is that communication between us is not always what it could be. I'm sure these are teething problems, as like you say, this is a unique way of working and something we're all going to have to work and experiment with to get the best out of ourselves. A particular example is that where I've gone and reached out to editors at various sites and magazines, it might have been good to have some more feedback about where contacts already exist, have introductions made by current acquaintances, or saved a few editors an extra e-mail to read that they might not necessarily of needed. Well, those are my thoughts anyway, I don't know what the proper way to do things is in the marketing world - heck I'm a Theology undergrad, I don't have much of a clue about many things :p > > We're doing a good job, but we have to remember that it's kind of new for > everyone. > > Thanks to everyone for all your hard work. +1. I really do appreciate the work that everyone does, and I'm enjoying working with you all in whatever context we do it :) Best wishes all, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 20:10:16 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:10:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC (fwd) Message-ID: Sorry everyone, the previous message had the wrong date. The correct date is: 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:54:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike McGrath To: fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com Cc: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com, fedora-docs-list at redhat.com, Fedora Art List , For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base , fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC, which will last approximately 5 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-05-03 14:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database Mail All auth systems Unaffected Services: Torrent DNS fedorapeople.org planet Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/519 Reason for Outage: The network guys will be performing a number of upgrades during this outage window which is expected to last 5 hours. Systems will be up and down during this time. Some will be off during the duration of the time for safety / data protection. Some systems we'll be moving to alternate sites. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Tue Apr 22 21:11:57 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:11:57 -0700 Subject: Question: Fedora Banner Size Message-ID: What size do you guys use to print the Fedora USB and the Fedora Poster? I'm asked this question by the printing service for these banners: USB: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LiveUsbCreator (the second one) Poster: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party (Help Gived section) Thanks, Grady From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 22:32:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:32:38 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1208903558.3991.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 00:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > > > > Well, among other things, we get lots of interview requests from various > > publications, websites, etc. Most of those requests come around the > > time of the Fedora release, or whenever we have some sort of big Fedora > > announcement to make. > > Do we notify (potentially) interested parties and explain to them the > impact of some of the announcements we are making and why they are > important/relevant etc? > > Let me give a specific recent example here: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-April/msg00011.html > > Without a solid understanding of the governance model of Fedora, how Red > Hat has participating historically and how this is changing over a > period of time, the higher relevance of this announcement might just be > lost. Increasing our number of elected seats makes the project feel more democratic, and recognizes our community makeup. I'm curious to whom outside our community that has a higher relevance. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rtlm10 at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 23:11:32 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:11:32 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130804221611y2581bcebg49e85af47aff210a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Kara Schiltz wrote: > Hello all, > > Corporate communications has established a relationship with several of the > editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with the latest > Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting any of these > folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the beginning of May to > line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul the week prior to the F9 > launch. Kara, Would you mind taking a quick look at our publications page and letting us know if there are any omissions that jump out at you? Were just trying to keep a working list of press outlets to keep informed going forward. No need for details (although that would be great) just a quick run through would be very helpful. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications Thanks, Russell From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 23 00:54:49 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:24:49 +0530 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <1208903558.3991.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> <1208903558.3991.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <480E88D9.9060807@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Increasing our number of elected seats makes the project feel more > democratic, and recognizes our community makeup. I'm curious to whom > outside our community that has a higher relevance. Lots of people outside of Fedora follow these sort of news closely and we sometimes might need to explain what we are doing more to the media. This one was just a example. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 22:28:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:28:41 -0400 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1208903321.3991.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 15:00 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> Corporate communications has established a relationship with several > >> of the editors listed below as we're always reaching out to them with > >> the latest Fedora and Red Hat news. I'm happy to help in contacting > >> any of these folks. I'll be in touch with several editors toward the > >> beginning of May to line up Fedora 9 pre-brief interviews with Paul > >> the week prior to the F9 launch. > > > > We need to find a way to make more of the marketing activities > > transparent and involve the community. > > > > 1) Know what is getting done > > 2) How we can help > > Hi all, > > I just want to give you some context around this thread. > > Kara Shiltz is a member of Red Hat's corporate communications team, and > she's the person who is responsible, from the Red Hat side, for > Fedora-related PR. Whenever we want to take Marketing strategy, > messages, and energy from this list and channel it through Red Hat's PR > team to help formalize, amplify, etc. the effort, Kara is one of the > folks who is going to help us do it. > > What does this mean? > > Well, among other things, we get lots of interview requests from various > publications, websites, etc. Most of those requests come around the > time of the Fedora release, or whenever we have some sort of big Fedora > announcement to make. > > Additionally, Kara works with the Fedora team (and the community) to > augment the community marketing that we are doing -- We've got the > Fedora Interviews segment, for example, that JonRob is leading. Kara > can help to drive attention to that from other sources, like the general > pool of press contacts that Red Hat has access to, etc. > > Kara is here to be a resource to all of us, and to augment the community > marketing that we do with the professional, full time communications > work that Red Hat does. > > So, specifically on the topic of contacts at various magazines -- it's > great that we're developing that list, because it can be compared to the > lists of contacts that other folks in Red Hat already have, and is > helpful to both of us. > > Everyone needs to remember that doing "open marketing" like this, in > which we actually communicate and work transparently with members of Red > Hat's PR team, is a very unique way of doing business, even in the world > of open source companies. > > Folks like me and Greg have always worked closely with RH's PR team, but > now we're trying to bring more and more of that work to this list. > Let's all continue to be patient with each other, work together, etc. > > We're doing a good job, but we have to remember that it's kind of new > for everyone. > > Thanks to everyone for all your hard work. Max, thanks for writing this. We need to all be aware that in *all* parts of Fedora, the way we interact with new contributors, whether they're volunteers or Red Hat employees, sets the tone for their overall experience in Fedora. It's up to each of us to be a positive force for encouragement. I'm delighted that Kara is on this list now -- she and I had a very productive meeting this afternoon about the timeline for F9-related PR. And we do intend to do as much of that as possible out in the community space. I should have a couple lists of major feature points and community stories ready tonight, as well as explanations on why they're important (for non-technical press contacts and readers) and will be posting them on the wiki and linking here. Those are the big points we will try to weave into interviews, blog entries, and press releases because they have compelling messages attached to them that resonate well with the press and their readerships. Kara, welcome to the Fedora Marketing team and we're glad to have you aboard! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 23 02:47:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:17:53 +0530 Subject: Fedora goes to a community-dominated board Message-ID: <480EA359.80706@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://lwn.net/Articles/279059/rss http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_goes_to_a_community_dominated_board "Fedora project leader Paul Frields has announced a change in the way the Fedora board is elected; as of the upcoming election, five of the nine seats will be elected by the community, while four will be appointed by Red Hat. So Red Hat will no longer select a majority of the board. "This is an issue I've been advocating over the past couple of weeks, and I'm delighted to be able to make this change following my first release as Fedora Project Leader. I look at this as a significant step in the evolution of the Board and Fedora's governance overall.It's worth noting that the Fedora leader (who must still be a Red Hat employee) retains veto power over board decisions. " Rahul From dezone24 at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 04:14:49 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:14:49 -0500 Subject: Update Banners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi... I was looking for banners about Fedora to use on Web sites or blogs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners I think, it should be updated with some logos or banners according to the new Fedora?s theme (Sulphur) and I would like a direct link from http://fedoraproject.org/ Why? I was checking the Fedora Counter (http://fedoraproject.org/es/counter) and so much people are using it on their sites, so is good idea a link from http://fedoraproject.org/ like "Spread Fedora" where people can use banners and logos "up to date". And why not...? add wallpapers and screensavers... What do you think? Regards -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 8 (Warewolf): Linux Kernel 2.6.24 + Gnome 2.20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 23 13:48:27 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:48:27 +0100 Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <1208903558.3991.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> <1208903558.3991.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0804230648o40ea2489i5812c4ea00019f03@mail.gmail.com> > > Do we notify (potentially) interested parties and explain to them the > > impact of some of the announcements we are making and why they are > > important/relevant etc? > > > > Let me give a specific recent example here: > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-April/msg00011.html > > > > Without a solid understanding of the governance model of Fedora, how Red > > Hat has participating historically and how this is changing over a > > period of time, the higher relevance of this announcement might just be > > lost. > > > Increasing our number of elected seats makes the project feel more > democratic, and recognizes our community makeup. I'm curious to whom > outside our community that has a higher relevance. Whether this is entirely relevant, but one of the editors I've heard back from already has commented that besides the technical information and features of each release, they are interested in our community and the issues facing it, and so I think this sort of information does interest some outside :) Specifically, this was one of the people from linux.com who mentioned this. Best, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 14:13:56 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Offer to help editors? In-Reply-To: <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> References: <480E23E1.4050000@redhat.com> <480E2CF5.7070406@redhat.com> <480E2E19.2050405@fedoraproject.org> <480E38AE.9030004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Without a solid understanding of the governance model of Fedora, how > Red Hat has participating historically and how this is changing over a > period of time, the higher relevance of this announcement might just > be lost. So this is a good example for all of us to talk around. Fedora has an announcement to make that is somewhat newsworthy. It's certainly an announcement that should come from the Fedora Project Leader, and fedora-announce-list is the obvious place to make it. Paul did a good job of providing some context for what the announcement means in his email. Fedora Planet is also a good place for other Fedora folks to add commentary to the announcement, etc. If a media person decides to pick it up and write a little article about it, we can't force them to ping us for more information, but we can give them as much context as possible. We know that media folks watch fedora-announce-list and fedora-devel-announce. I think we could also be well served by thinking about our "Press Page" on the Fedora wiki. Sort of a page that says "are you trying to write an article about Fedora? Here's some useful resources:" 1) fedora-announce-list and fedora-devel-announce 2) Fedora Weekly News 3) Fedora Planet 4) press at fedoraproject.org for interview requests, etc. --Max From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 23 19:32:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:02:41 +0530 Subject: OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: <480C1D84.3000500@gmx.de> References: <480C1D84.3000500@gmx.de> Message-ID: <480F8ED9.6070601@fedoraproject.org> Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > > struck me while editing some streets in OpenStreetMap. > > OpenStreetMap does allow anybody to add new attributes (tags) to a place > / objects / ... > > We can define a tag LinuxUser / FedoraUser ... and get a map of users. > > Could be great for finding other people, user groups, generating maps, > visualizing mirror servers. This sort of information should probably be tied to the Fedora account system. Can you file a RFE against https://fedorahosted.org/fas/ Rahul From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Apr 23 19:41:41 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:41:41 -0700 Subject: Release Party Questions for Giveaways Message-ID: Hi all, Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) I'm in the middle of organizing Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party [1], and am going to do some giveaways! Thanks, Grady Laksmono http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party From gdk at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 19:44:45 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Release Party Questions for Giveaways In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could > be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) I'm in the middle of > organizing Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party [1], and am going to do > some giveaways! Like trivia questions? --g > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 23 19:46:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:16:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party Questions for Giveaways In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480F9204.1080307@fedoraproject.org> Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could > be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) You want to print a promotional type of FAQ? How about you provide the questions from the perspective of a curious or even critical person and I can try and answer them. Rahul From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Apr 23 19:54:13 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:54:13 -0700 Subject: Release Party Questions for Giveaways In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, or Puzzles..? - Grady On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could > > be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) I'm in the middle of > > organizing Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party [1], and am going to do > > some giveaways! > > > > Like trivia questions? > > --g > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > > > > > > > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From overholt at redhat.com Thu Apr 24 12:46:03 2008 From: overholt at redhat.com (Andrew Overholt) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:46:03 -0400 Subject: Release Party Questions for Giveaways In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1209041163.4940.5.camel@blingbling> On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:44 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could > > be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) I'm in the middle of > > organizing Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party [1], and am going to do > > some giveaways! > > Like trivia questions? You could make some questions/challenges around the various Fedora code names: - Name all Fedora release code names - Write a short poem or story involving all Fedora release code names - Write a song involving all Fedora release code names set to the tune of "Never Gonna Give You Up" (of course) Andrew From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Apr 24 14:59:56 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:59:56 -0700 Subject: Release Party Questions for Giveaways In-Reply-To: <1209041163.4940.5.camel@blingbling> References: <1209041163.4940.5.camel@blingbling> Message-ID: Thanks Andrew! - Grady On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Andrew Overholt wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:44 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Grady Laksmono wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > Does anybody have some type of list of questions & answers that could > > > be interesting for the Fedora 9 Release Party? =) I'm in the middle of > > > organizing Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party [1], and am going to do > > > some giveaways! > > > > Like trivia questions? > > You could make some questions/challenges around the various Fedora code > names: > > - Name all Fedora release code names > - Write a short poem or story involving all Fedora release code names > - Write a song involving all Fedora release code names set to the tune > of "Never Gonna Give You Up" (of course) > > Andrew > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gdk at redhat.com Thu Apr 24 18:48:26 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Reminder: meeting in 10 minutes Message-ID: Fedora Marketing Meeting time! Woo woo! --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 20:07:49 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:07:49 -0400 Subject: Publications list Message-ID: <1209067669.26737.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Russell Harrison really fleshed out this page on our wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications Kara, this might be of great interest to you in the upcoming Fedora 9 press push. You probably know people at some of these outlets. If you'd like to add contacts there or to the matching page at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts ...or transcribe a list here, we can get them added for you. Either way we should say a big "AWESOME JOB" to Russell for completing that task. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From axelilly at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 20:31:35 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:31:35 -0400 Subject: Question: Fedora Banner Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Grady Laksmono wrote: > What size do you guys use to print the Fedora USB and the Fedora > Poster? I'm asked this question by the printing service for these > banners: > > USB: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LiveUsbCreator (the second > one) > > Poster: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party > (Help Gived section) > > Thanks, > Grady > > -- You can have them printed whatever size you want. Generally, you create a PNG file that is 300dpi and close in size to how large you want the final print to be. The printing service that you use will do the final 'fitting' of the PNG to the end media. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 06:51:25 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:51:25 -0500 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles Message-ID: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> Going based off of what I was able to partake in with the meeting earlier today, here's what I've come up with so far for my assigned task: witty talk bubbles. Most are what I thought of while at work. - Give Fedora to each other - Be Fedora to each other - Fedora, not another ball and chain - I'd like the Fedora OS, hold the proprietary. That'll be $0.00, please download ahead (think of this one in the sense of fast food drive thru) - Fedora: Open 24/7/365 - Blimey, they just left this Fedora booty out here in the open. Arr Matey! - All FOSS and NO proprietary don't make Fedora a dull OS - Fedora, the other OS - Ninja Fedora always gets what he's doing, seen - Fedora #, one step closer to World Domination (insert Fedora version # for whichever we're at, at the time) - Fedora, not another closed OS - Blue: a color of freedom - Fedora, powering robots since 2007 - Fedora, fighting robots since 2007 - Use the Fedora, _____ (insert name) - I'z in your OS, opening your source (think LOLCats) - I love the smell of FOSS in the morning - Fedora + FOSS = BFF - Trying to lose that proprietary weight? Slim down with Fedora, 100% FOSS. Feel free to disagree, laugh at, enjoy, criticize, or revise any of the above, and suggest new ones. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nushio at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 14:31:57 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:31:57 -0500 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles In-Reply-To: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> References: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > Going based off of what I was able to partake in with the meeting earlier > today, here's what I've come up with so far for my assigned task: witty talk > bubbles. Most are what I thought of while at work. > > - Give Fedora to each other > - Be Fedora to each other > - Fedora, not another ball and chain > - I'd like the Fedora OS, hold the proprietary. That'll be $0.00, please > download ahead (think of this one in the sense of fast food drive thru) > - Fedora: Open 24/7/365 > - Blimey, they just left this Fedora booty out here in the open. Arr Matey! > - All FOSS and NO proprietary don't make Fedora a dull OS > - Fedora, the other OS > - Ninja Fedora always gets what he's doing, seen > - Fedora #, one step closer to World Domination (insert Fedora version # > for whichever we're at, at the time) > - Fedora, not another closed OS > - Blue: a color of freedom > - Fedora, powering robots since 2007 > - Fedora, fighting robots since 2007 > - Use the Fedora, _____ (insert name) > - I'z in your OS, opening your source (think LOLCats) > - I love the smell of FOSS in the morning > - Fedora + FOSS = BFF > - Trying to lose that proprietary weight? Slim down with Fedora, 100% FOSS. > > Feel free to disagree, laugh at, enjoy, criticize, or revise any of the > above, and suggest new ones. > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I loved the "I love the smell of FOSS in the morning" phrase! Here's a few I could think of, myself: Fedora: Shackle free Fedora: Leading innovation. I'm a bit short on the creative side ;-) -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: http://proyectofedora.org/mexico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Arr Matey! >> - All FOSS and NO proprietary don't make Fedora a dull OS >> - Fedora, the other OS >> - Ninja Fedora always gets what he's doing, seen >> - Fedora #, one step closer to World Domination (insert Fedora version # >> for whichever we're at, at the time) >> - Fedora, not another closed OS >> - Blue: a color of freedom >> - Fedora, powering robots since 2007 Awesome. :) >> - Fedora, fighting robots since 2007 >> - Use the Fedora, _____ (insert name) >> - I'z in your OS, opening your source (think LOLCats) Heh. >> - I love the smell of FOSS in the morning >> - Fedora + FOSS = BFF >> - Trying to lose that proprietary weight? Slim down with Fedora, 100% FOSS. Some more mundane ones, but on message, so useful: Fedora: the best of free software Fedora: first in features and freedom And some truly crazy stuff: Fedora: nothin' but a beta for CentOS Fedora: when you're ready to wear your big boy pants Real Spacemen use Fedora (with a subtly altered NASA logo, heh) Fedora: when your hovercraft is full of eels --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 25 15:10:05 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:10:05 +0300 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles In-Reply-To: References: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4811F44D.6010002@nicubunu.ro> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >>> - Fedora, powering robots since 2007 > > Awesome. :) Well, I'll tell you a secret, but please keep it secret... I have a fitting webcomic about robots but it is scheduled to go live on my blog only in two weeks (I want to keep the pace of one webcomic each week), so for now it is in a hidden directory ".future/linux_for_robots.png" (I am sure 87.53% of the people subscribed to this list are clever enough to figure the full URL :p ). > > And some truly crazy stuff: > > Fedora: nothin' but a beta for CentOS Genius! *This* is my kind of funny... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From caillon at redhat.com Fri Apr 25 15:45:43 2008 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:45:43 -0400 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles In-Reply-To: References: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4811FCA7.1020700@redhat.com> On 04/25/2008 10:31 AM, Juan M. Rodriguez wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Michael Beckwith < >> - Fedora, not another ball and chain This one just evokes negativity. >> - All FOSS and NO proprietary don't make Fedora a dull OS Again, too many negative things in this one. "No" "don't" "dull". It's just hard to get excited about things that have that many negative words in it. >> - Fedora, the other OS I also don't like this one because I don't think of Fedora as the other OS. Fedora is _the_ OS. From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 18:10:46 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:46 -0500 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles In-Reply-To: <4811FCA7.1020700@redhat.com> References: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> <4811FCA7.1020700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48121EA6.4000000@gmail.com> Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 04/25/2008 10:31 AM, Juan M. Rodriguez wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Michael Beckwith < > >>> - Fedora, not another ball and chain > > This one just evokes negativity. > >>> - All FOSS and NO proprietary don't make Fedora a dull OS > > Again, too many negative things in this one. "No" "don't" "dull". > It's just hard to get excited about things that have that many > negative words in it. > Just rewording a quote from the Shining >>> - Fedora, the other OS > > I also don't like this one because I don't think of Fedora as the > other OS. Fedora is _the_ OS. > Fedora version of "Pork, the other white meat." Thanks for the criticisms though. Nothing is final yet thankfully -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From bche at redhat.com Fri Apr 25 19:19:38 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:19:38 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <48036FD9.7020400@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <48036FD9.7020400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48122ECA.4070505@redhat.com> Hi, we just completed a trademark search on "Sleepwalker," and it turns out that it's already being used for software. So, we're going to have to go with a different name. I've asked for searches on the next highest vote-getters, "Turbine" and "Sandman." Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > I've tallied up the votes, and Fedora Sleepwalker wins! Here are the > results: > > Name +1 0 -1 Total > Cointelligence 0 1 7 -7 > Compunity 0 1 7 -7 > Dream 0.5 4 4 -3.5 > Group Think 1 2 5 -4 > Nightlife 5 2 2 3 > Re-Cycle 1 5 2 -1 > REM Cycle 2 5 1 1 > Sandman 5.5 4 0 5.5 > Shepherd 0 6 2 -2 > Sleepwalker 11 3 2 9 > Trellis 6 3 3 3 > Turbine 8 2 1 7 > > Bryan > > > Bryan Che wrote: >> So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: >> >> -Cointelligence >> -Compunity >> -Dream >> -Group Think >> -Nightlife >> -Re-Cycle >> -REM Cycle >> -Sandman >> -Shepherd >> -Sleepwalker >> -Trellis >> -Turbine >> >> Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and >> declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> >> Bryan Che wrote: >>> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >>> project >>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >>> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >>> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help >>> us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've >>> attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all >>> just suggestions and starting points for conversation. >>> >>> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >>> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >>> this project. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board From joadams at redhat.com Fri Apr 25 20:37:00 2008 From: joadams at redhat.com (John Adams) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) Message-ID: <200804252037.m3PKbvUa001745@file.rdu.redhat.com> Darn ... I'm really sorry to hear that. In the future, we may want to consider narrowing down to 3-5 options, clearing them first, and opening it up for wider opinions only on the available names. Just a thought ... -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Che Subj: Re: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora at Home) Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:19 pm Size: 2K To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Hi, we just completed a trademark search on "Sleepwalker," and it turns out that it's already being used for software. So, we're going to have to go with a different name. I've asked for searches on the next highest vote-getters, "Turbine" and "Sandman." Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > I've tallied up the votes, and Fedora Sleepwalker wins! Here are the > results: > > Name +1 0 -1 Total > Cointelligence 0 1 7 -7 > Compunity 0 1 7 -7 > Dream 0.5 4 4 -3.5 > Group Think 1 2 5 -4 > Nightlife 5 2 2 3 > Re-Cycle 1 5 2 -1 > REM Cycle 2 5 1 1 > Sandman 5.5 4 0 5.5 > Shepherd 0 6 2 -2 > Sleepwalker 11 3 2 9 > Trellis 6 3 3 3 > Turbine 8 2 1 7 > > Bryan > > > Bryan Che wrote: >> So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: >> >> -Cointelligence >> -Compunity >> -Dream >> -Group Think >> -Nightlife >> -Re-Cycle >> -REM Cycle >> -Sandman >> -Shepherd >> -Sleepwalker >> -Trellis >> -Turbine >> >> Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and >> declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> >> Bryan Che wrote: >>> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >>> project >>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >>> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >>> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help >>> us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've >>> attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all >>> just suggestions and starting points for conversation. >>> >>> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >>> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >>> this project. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list --- message truncated --- From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 25 20:44:42 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline Message-ID: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." 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Make Waves."? > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > "Fedora 9: Make Waves" +1. I like it. -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: http://proyectofedora.org/mexico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 22:06:46 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:06:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? +1 -- ian From duffy at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 26 00:57:00 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:57:00 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <48127DDC.6010603@fedoraproject.org> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora >> website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we >> currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's >> translatable)? > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? Awesome, I love it! ~m From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Apr 26 01:59:24 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:59:24 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20080426015924.GD5997@Max> On 2008-04-25 04:59:18 PM, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora > > website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we > > currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's > > translatable)? > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? Nice, that sounds great! Just updated index.html in the git repo. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:27:39 -0400 Subject: Witty Talk Bubbles In-Reply-To: References: <48117F6D.6090609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209234459.4284.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:46 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > >> - Fedora, powering robots since 2007 > > Awesome. :) Actually, it may be 2005 or earlier, since the Allemaniacs team won the world championship in 2006. > Some more mundane ones, but on message, so useful: > > Fedora: the best of free software > Fedora: first in features and freedom > > And some truly crazy stuff: > > Fedora: nothin' but a beta for CentOS > Fedora: when you're ready to wear your big boy pants > Real Spacemen use Fedora (with a subtly altered NASA logo, heh) > Fedora: when your hovercraft is full of eels The original slogan from FUDCon Raleigh that has the official "jopp Smile o'Approval": Fedora: The Future, First. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 18:30:02 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:30:02 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1209234602.4284.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:59 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora > > website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we > > currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's > > translatable)? > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? *DING DING DING!* There are two ways to go about the slogan -- one form emphasizes the attributes of Fedora, the other emphasizes what people do with it. "Making Waves" does the former, and "Make Waves" does the latter. The people-centric approach seems the best to me. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nushio at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 19:36:14 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:36:14 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209234602.4284.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> <1209234602.4284.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/4/26 Paul W. Frields : > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:59 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > > Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora > > > website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we > > > currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something > that's > > > translatable)? > > > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? > > *DING DING DING!* > > There are two ways to go about the slogan -- one form emphasizes the > attributes of Fedora, the other emphasizes what people do with it. > > "Making Waves" does the former, and "Make Waves" does the latter. The > people-centric approach seems the best to me. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > If "Make Waves" will be the final slogan, then I should notify the Fedora-Trans-List. I'm currently translating the missing pieces of the Fedora Website in spanish, and found "Fedora 9. Infinite Possibilities" (Which made sense in F8, because of the theme Infinity). -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: http://proyectofedora.org/mexico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gvarisco at redhat.com Sun Apr 27 11:50:37 2008 From: gvarisco at redhat.com (Gianluca Varisco) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:50:37 +0200 Subject: Publications list In-Reply-To: <1209067669.26737.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209067669.26737.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4814688D.2090005@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Russell Harrison really fleshed out this page on our wiki: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Publications > > Kara, this might be of great interest to you in the upcoming Fedora 9 > press push. You probably know people at some of these outlets. If > you'd like to add contacts there or to the matching page at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press/Contacts > > ...or transcribe a list here, we can get them added for you. Either way > we should say a big "AWESOME JOB" to Russell for completing that task. > > Hi guys, We're trying to do the same here in Italy by contacting online/offline media and working with them to have great articles ready by the 13th. All the work we're doing is available in our mailing list (fedora-it); I'll try to keep all of you updated in my english blog just opened [1] that will be soon syndicated in Fedora Planet. [1] http://www.techtemple.org/blog/ Cheers, -- Gianluca Varisco, RHCE Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia Tel.: +39 02 5681 4487 Fax : +39 02 669 3111 Cel.: +39 333 574 0934 Address/Indirizzo: Via Antonio Da Recanate 1 20124 Milano From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 08:38:28 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:38:28 +0200 Subject: Examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) Message-ID: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171 Hi, as suggested in the last comment I'm mailing here. So what do you believe is the best way to present the features of Fedora Desktop? What are they? How would you present them? Would you make a video or audio showing or explaining the use of some features and applications, or would you just put some files that are from that application so that users see for them self what can be done with different applications? Something completely different? Please share your ideas... Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 28 09:06:13 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:06:13 +0100 Subject: Examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804280206s49c2a861l52403653df28846a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/28 Valent Turkovic : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171 > > Hi, > as suggested in the last comment I'm mailing here. > > So what do you believe is the best way to present the features of > Fedora Desktop? What are they? For this, it might be fun to link it in with the talking points that are decided on for each release, although it might mean more work as the content would need to change for every release! Check out this page for F9 talking points: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary > How would you present them? Would you > make a video or audio showing or explaining the use of some features > and applications, or would you just put some files that are from that > application so that users see for them self what can be done with > different applications? Something completely different? I think a combination. IMHO nothing is as good as showing people what can be done with the software, after all, people want to use the tools to do their work and create cool things :) Of course, videos also go down a treat on the net as they're so easily digestable for a lot of people, and this has apparently been set as a task at recent mktg meetings, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > Please share your ideas... Either way, I think it's an awesome idea and I wish you all the best with it :) If you'd like any help let us know and I'll do the best I can! Best wishes, Jon From axelilly at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 15:17:54 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:17:54 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: 2008/4/25 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams : > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora > > website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we > > currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's > > translatable)? > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 I think that's a great tag line. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Jason aka, Axelilly Catch me on gchat or Jabber =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Something completely different? > > Please share your ideas... > > Cheers, > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > I think some screencasts showing how to do common tasks in Fedora would be useful. Examples: -How to install software. -How set up email. -How to edit/create documents with Open Office. -How to connect to a CIFS/Windows file share. -How to add a network or direct connection printer. -How to use blue tooth. Etc... -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Jason aka, Axelilly Catch me on gchat or Jabber =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 21:08:43 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:08:43 +0300 Subject: IRC Log of FAmSCo Meeting - 28 Apr 2008 Message-ID: <9d2c731f0804281408j18fe9369uf806afba35a79778@mail.gmail.com> Please roll call FrancescoUgolini AndreasRau JohnBabich ThomasCanniot JeffreyTadlock ok, we can start today agenda is: 1. Ambassadors Budget 2. Wiki status 3. Local groups status First topic i think we can start with the rlease events discussion if you take a look at the event page at least 8 events (please count it on your own) actually in Italy there are 2 more events that are in the *in a pending status just wait april 30th Max, moreover said that the deadline is May 1st due to the beginning of the next fiscal quarter * knurd is now known as knurd_afk I invite who has a planned event to report it in the wiki MaxSpevack is here and if he need help ask in the list ! ! We have planned a cost of 1000$ ok, i'll stop now iWolf: in regards to the release events, I would like to begin contacting the event owner for the release event to offer the $100USD that Max is ready to send them. ah, just a mistake, it's not the end of the quarter eof iWolf: yes, the main problem is that there are other events in pending status i think we could start asking for the payment method fugolini: the Release Events and next quarter's budget are two different things i thought we were just taking the first 10? in fact i notice this i've done a mistake and i say this * stickster is now known as stickster_afk * stickster_afk is now known as stickster iWolf: we have 2 slots free i see 8 release events on the FedoraEvents page The North American ones will be very easy to fund we can probably use PayPal for everyone or just send a check right, but I don't want to penalize the ones ready for money while we wait for the other 2 so, just wait two days, we are trying to organize two more events The one in Greece will also be easy because I can just pay Dimitris back when I see him at LinuxTag my concern is getting money for the Italy release party and for the Bangladesh release party. $100 USD is a small amount, the fees to transfer that via a bank wire are almost as much as the money itself is... spevack: so do you want to handle sending the money? and skip the contact the event owner step to see things are still a go for them? iWolf: well, I'm thinking that I can email the owners of the various events, ask them if it's still a go, and start by asking for a PayPal address. iWolf: we'll see how far that gets us iWolf: because we can handle that this week. what do you think? spevack: sounds good, i wanted to clarify if you needed me to do that or if you were going to. spevack: i just reaplied to your mail spevack: sounds great to me. iWolf: i can do it, and i'll cc you just so there's one other person in the loop have you seen it? fugolini: looking now spevack: thanks! ! spevack: can you cc the famsco just because i think it has to be clear MrTom: fugolini: sure * kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting we are in france doing our best to have a date before the 1st of May, but i'm not sure this is likely to happen (having the date before the deadline mean) we are likely to have the install party be runned the 21 of.. June, which is quite late but there are 3 organisations synching their agendas for the event to happen that's quite difficult to handle :p eof ok ok iWolf: you can just contact the event owner but we have to remember there are 2 open slots fugolini: spevack is going to handle that as a way of getting the ball rolling to send out the money. ok Have you other questions/concern ? ! MrTom: MrTom: I'm not too worried about a Release Party for $100. The May 1 deadline is important for larger events that will want $500, $100, or more spevack well having already 100$ for this IP would be very well seen here moreover our organisation would be able to fullfil the lack of money we would need to create cd localy eof you can add it in the june event list thansk spevack fugolini and you will able to ask for the money you need for it the 100$ is for the Release Parties, but it's the propel to invite people to organize those ones for the next events there is the standard budget eof so, next issue? ok next issue: 2. Wiki status I had problems with the wiki (pages are really slow to see) and it created a lot of problem for my work on some wiki pages i don't know if is my Service provider or just the server but i think the work is near to be completed have you qestions/concerns? ok, we can skip this issue 3. Local groups status The aim of this section is to get updates from the local groups I don't want to list all the events, because i know i could annoy you so i prefer to have a open discussion EMEA Updates? North America Updates? South America Updates? For North America it looks like we have several release parties, so that's good. We've also has some more activity on the AMbassadors list from N.A. as well. News from weekly meetings? Jesse Keating was at LinuxFest northwest this past weekend. His event report will be coming soon. I would like to get a more organized North America meeting established . I've been waiting on some of the release party activity to slow down so I can dedicate some cycles to that. great! Have you special requests from NA? no special requests that I am aware of. ok Asia, India, Australia Updates? i've heard about an irc meeting have you news about it? APAC had a weekly meeting a little over a week ago. I attended and it seemed to go well. Special requests? or better, something that FAmSCo need to know? I don't have much insight into APAC right now. HarishPillay is a Red Hatter who is working to bring some community work together there. Our biggest plan for APAC is to have a FUDCon there at the same time as Linux Conf australia next year in January mainly just getting organized and I reviewed the process of making sure to add their events to the Fedora Event page in order to get access to budgeted money. In India, we are working on getting them stronger community support that's important internally to Red Hat, my boss -- Michael Chen -- is trying to find extra money in the budget that can be used by Red Hat India to support Fedora and community * petreu has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") So I'll let you guys know how that goes -- that's a little bit separate from FAMSCo, but it's money that might end up being used by guys like Kuahal Das, Rahul Sundaram, Sankarshan, etc. great good! I am sure they will appreciate that. +1 +1 As far as South America goes, FAMSco will continue to fund them. Rodrigo Padul has asked for $700 for another show in Brazil. I believe that we should give him that, and also I have asked him what he anticipates the next few months looking like there are 3 events listed on the Fedora Events page between now and the end of August. So if Rodrigo needs somewhere around $700 for each, I think that is very much within our budget, as Brazil is where most of our support for South America is seen. in short... I think that we are doing a pretty good job of giving opportunity and funding to folks globally, so I think we just need to keep paying attention to what is going on EOF actually the reports we received were great you can saw those in the list and in Fedora Planet i think we have a big amount of datas for the events sposored Any other questions? Just another word If all agree i think Monday could be a good day for weekly meetings isn't it? ! Monday is fine with me. AndreasR: yep.. much more better eof I am fine with either, but I do prefer Monday! Monday is good, but perhaps we can meet 1 hour earlier eof +1 jmbuser: +1 +1 also. so with a great majority Monday is the new meeting date *day Monday 15:00 UTC er, sorry... Monday 19:00 UTC +1 and thanks is that right, francesco? 19:00 UTC yes +1 ; I agree great ok, i think we can adjourn the meeting 3 2 1 == meeting adjourned == From btoogood at slingshot.co.nz Tue Apr 29 06:59:09 2008 From: btoogood at slingshot.co.nz (brendon) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:59:09 +1200 Subject: Fedora 9 marketing ideas Message-ID: <1209452349.19934.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey there guys, what is the update or ideas that people have for marketing the latest fedora version 9. by the looks of the screenshots it is going to be big but how big and how can we get it out there to the public? I am open to ideas -- Brendon Toogood Ambassador Of Fedora Project HTTP://www.fedoraproject.org Email:btoogood at fedoraproject.org for cd's and dvds From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 29 07:34:38 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:34:38 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080425204442.GA5997@Max> <1209157158.3846.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <4816CF8E.10309@nicubunu.ro> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora >> website - for example, "Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities." Do we >> currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's >> translatable)? > > "Fedora 9. Make Waves."? OK, now where can we find some Free photos of people making "the wave" [1] ? [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audience_wave -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 13:01:37 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:01:37 +0200 Subject: IRC Log of FAmSCo Meeting - 28 Apr 2008 In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0804281408j18fe9369uf806afba35a79778@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0804281408j18fe9369uf806afba35a79778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you! 2008/4/28 John Babich : > Please roll call > FrancescoUgolini > AndreasRau > JohnBabich > ThomasCanniot > JeffreyTadlock > ok, we can start > today agenda is: > 1. Ambassadors Budget > 2. Wiki status > 3. Local groups status > First topic > i think we can start with the rlease > events discussion > if you take a look at the event page > at least 8 events (please count it on your own) > actually in Italy there are 2 more events that are in the > *in a pending status > just wait april 30th > Max, moreover said that the deadline is May 1st > due to the beginning of the next fiscal quarter > * knurd is now known as knurd_afk > I invite who has a planned event to report it in the wiki > MaxSpevack is here > and if he need help ask in the list > ! > ! > We have planned a cost of 1000$ > ok, i'll stop now > iWolf: > in regards to the release events, I would like to begin > contacting the event owner for the release event to offer the $100USD > that Max is ready to send them. > ah, just a mistake, it's not the end of the quarter > eof > iWolf: yes, the main problem is that there are other events > in pending status > i think we could start asking for the payment method > fugolini: the Release Events and next quarter's budget are > two different things > i thought we were just taking the first 10? > in fact > i notice this > i've done a mistake and i say this > * stickster is now known as stickster_afk > * stickster_afk is now known as stickster > iWolf: we have 2 slots free > i see 8 release events > on the FedoraEvents page > The North American ones will be very easy to fund > we can probably use PayPal for everyone > or just send a check > right, but I don't want to penalize the ones ready for money > while we wait for the other 2 > so, just wait two days, we are trying to organize two more events > The one in Greece will also be easy > because I can just pay Dimitris back when I see him at LinuxTag > my concern is getting money for the Italy release party and > for the Bangladesh release party. $100 USD is a small amount, the fees > to transfer that via a bank wire are almost as much as the money > itself is... > spevack: so do you want to handle sending the money? and skip > the contact the event owner step to see things are still a go for > them? > iWolf: well, I'm thinking that I can email the owners of the > various events, ask them if it's still a go, and start by asking for a > PayPal address. > iWolf: we'll see how far that gets us > iWolf: because we can handle that this week. > what do you think? > spevack: sounds good, i wanted to clarify if you needed me to > do that or if you were going to. > spevack: i just reaplied to your mail > spevack: sounds great to me. > iWolf: i can do it, and i'll cc you just so there's one > other person in the loop > have you seen it? > fugolini: looking now > spevack: thanks! > ! > spevack: can you cc the famsco > just because i think it has to be clear > MrTom: > fugolini: sure > * kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting > we are in france doing our best to have a date before the 1st > of May, but i'm not sure this is likely to happen (having the date > before the deadline mean) > we are likely to have the install party be runned the 21 of.. > June, which is quite late > but there are 3 organisations synching their agendas for the > event to happen > that's quite difficult to handle :p > eof > ok > ok > iWolf: you can just contact the event owner > but we have to remember there are 2 open slots > fugolini: spevack is going to handle that as a way of getting > the ball rolling to send out the money. > ok > Have you other questions/concern > ? > ! > MrTom: > MrTom: I'm not too worried about a Release Party for $100. > The May 1 deadline is important for larger events that will want $500, > $100, or more > spevack well having already 100$ for this IP would be very > well seen here > moreover our organisation would be able to fullfil the lack of > money we would need to create cd localy > eof > you can add it in the june event list > thansk spevack fugolini > and you will able to ask for the money you need for it > the 100$ is for the Release Parties, but it's the propel to > invite people to organize those ones > for the next events there is the standard budget > eof > so, next issue? > ok > next issue: 2. Wiki status > I had problems with the wiki (pages are really slow to see) > and it created a lot of problem for my work on some wiki pages > i don't know if is my Service provider or just the server > but i think the work is near to be completed > have you qestions/concerns? > ok, we can skip this issue > 3. Local groups status > The aim of this section is to get updates from the local groups > I don't want to list all the events, because i know i could annoy you > so i prefer to have a open discussion > EMEA > Updates? > North America > Updates? > South America > Updates? > For North America it looks like we have several release > parties, so that's good. > We've also has some more activity on the AMbassadors list from > N.A. as well. > News from weekly meetings? > Jesse Keating was at LinuxFest northwest this past weekend. > His event report will be coming soon. > I would like to get a more organized North America meeting established . > I've been waiting on some of the release party activity to > slow down so I can dedicate some cycles to that. > great! > Have you special requests from NA? > no special requests that I am aware of. > ok > Asia, India, Australia > Updates? > i've heard about an irc meeting > have you news about it? > APAC had a weekly meeting a little over a week ago. > I attended and it seemed to go well. > Special requests? > or better, something that FAmSCo need to know? > I don't have much insight into APAC right now. HarishPillay > is a Red Hatter who is working to bring some community work together > there. Our biggest plan for APAC is to have a FUDCon there at the same > time as Linux Conf australia next year in January > mainly just getting organized and I reviewed the process of > making sure to add their events to the Fedora Event page in order to > get access to budgeted money. > In India, we are working on getting them stronger community support > that's important > internally to Red Hat, my boss -- Michael Chen -- is trying > to find extra money in the budget that can be used by Red Hat India to > support Fedora and community > * petreu has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") > So I'll let you guys know how that goes -- that's a little > bit separate from FAMSCo, but it's money that might end up being used > by guys like Kuahal Das, Rahul Sundaram, Sankarshan, etc. > great > good! I am sure they will appreciate that. > +1 > +1 > As far as South America goes, FAMSco will continue to fund > them. Rodrigo Padul has asked for $700 for another show in Brazil. I > believe that we should give him that, and also I have asked him what > he anticipates the next few months looking like > there are 3 events listed on the Fedora Events page between > now and the end of August. > So if Rodrigo needs somewhere around $700 for each, I think > that is very much within our budget, as Brazil is where most of our > support for South America is seen. > in short... I think that we are doing a pretty good job of > giving opportunity and funding to folks globally, so I think we just > need to keep paying attention to what is going on > EOF > actually the reports we received were great > you can saw those in the list and in Fedora Planet > i think we have a big amount of datas for the events sposored > Any other questions? > Just another word > If all agree i think Monday could be a good day for weekly meetings > isn't it? > ! > Monday is fine with me. > AndreasR: > yep.. much more better > eof > I am fine with either, but I do prefer Monday! > Monday is good, but perhaps we can meet 1 hour earlier > eof > +1 > jmbuser: +1 > +1 also. > so > with a great majority Monday is the new meeting date > *day > Monday 15:00 UTC > er, sorry... > Monday 19:00 UTC > +1 and thanks > is that right, francesco? 19:00 UTC > yes > +1 ; I agree > great > ok, i think we can adjourn the meeting > 3 > 2 > 1 > == meeting adjourned == > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From bche at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 13:23:16 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:23:16 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <48122ECA.4070505@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <47F69197.8040803@redhat.com> <48036FD9.7020400@redhat.com> <48122ECA.4070505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48172144.8010304@redhat.com> It turns out that "Turbine" and "Sandman" are taken too. So, John Adams is going to help us out again and get some additional names screened from a legal standpoint. Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, we just completed a trademark search on "Sleepwalker," and it turns > out that it's already being used for software. So, we're going to have > to go with a different name. I've asked for searches on the next > highest vote-getters, "Turbine" and "Sandman." > > Bryan > > Bryan Che wrote: >> I've tallied up the votes, and Fedora Sleepwalker wins! Here are the >> results: >> >> Name +1 0 -1 Total >> Cointelligence 0 1 7 -7 >> Compunity 0 1 7 -7 >> Dream 0.5 4 4 -3.5 >> Group Think 1 2 5 -4 >> Nightlife 5 2 2 3 >> Re-Cycle 1 5 2 -1 >> REM Cycle 2 5 1 1 >> Sandman 5.5 4 0 5.5 >> Shepherd 0 6 2 -2 >> Sleepwalker 11 3 2 9 >> Trellis 6 3 3 3 >> Turbine 8 2 1 7 >> >> Bryan >> >> >> Bryan Che wrote: >>> So, these are the name candidates for the Fedora community grid project: >>> >>> -Cointelligence >>> -Compunity >>> -Dream >>> -Group Think >>> -Nightlife >>> -Re-Cycle >>> -REM Cycle >>> -Sandman >>> -Shepherd >>> -Sleepwalker >>> -Trellis >>> -Turbine >>> >>> Please cast your votes for names: +1/0/-1, and then I'll tabulate and >>> declare a winner. The vote is open until 4/11. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> >>> Bryan Che wrote: >>>> Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid >>>> project >>>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) >>>> and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming >>>> (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), >>>> I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to >>>> help us brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, >>>> and I've attached the output of their work. Note that these names >>>> are all just suggestions and starting points for conversation. >>>> >>>> Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a >>>> week and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name >>>> this project. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fedora-advisory-board mailing list >> fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 15:35:38 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" Message-ID: This guy claims to know a whole lot about what Fedora actually is.. http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb042908-story02.html -Mike From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 15:53:48 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:53:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > This guy claims to know a whole lot about what Fedora actually is.. Um, yeah.....I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with you there. Yeeeaahhhh :) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 15:56:36 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:56:36 +0100 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/29 Jon Stanley : > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > This guy claims to know a whole lot about what Fedora actually is.. > > Um, yeah.....I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with > you there. Yeeeaahhhh :) I'm just writing a response for the author - I'll post here when I'm done :) Jon > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 16:13:30 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:13:30 +0100 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> I haven't sent this yet as I'd rather get other people's thoughts too, and I'm sure some are able to be far more accurate than I am! best wishes Jon ------------------------ I just read this article and was disappointed to discover that you seem to have severely mis-represented the Fedora Project. If I can take a few moments of your time, I'd like to advise you of the specific points in the story where you've been mistaken, and also to invite you to start a dialogue with the Fedora Project by contacting us on press AT fedoraproject DOT org to avoid making the same in the future. "...Red Hat has a preview of an upcoming Fedora Development release, Version 9..." Firstly, Fedora is not a Red Hat product but a community maintained distribution of which the majority of packages (over 60%) are maintained by non-Red Hat employees. Secondly, Fedora is not a development release in anyway, but a stable system that showcases the latest free and open source software. It's true to say, on the other hand, that Fedora is an innovative distribution that leads the way in the adoption and development of a lot of new technologies, feeding back all improvements and changes we make up-stream for the benefit of all. "Fedora 8 is the currently available development release, which got underway in April 2007 and which was launched last November. A lot of the code that was hammered out in that Fedora 8 development release is winding its way toward Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2" Again, any final release of Fedora such as version 8 is not a development release. A lot of the code from that release is making it's way into RHEL 5.2, but you know what else, it's making it's way into all other GNU/Linux distributions too including Ubuntu, Debian and openSUSE. This is because we push our developments to the upstream communities, which other distributions then base their own work around. "Remember, the Fedora 9 preview is just that--a preview--and is not even to be considered beta code yet and hence is not appropriate for anything close to production environments." I feel like I'm repeating myself, but Fedora 9 will not be a development release, and you're mis-representing the facts by suggesting that the preview release is not even to be considered beta software. The preview release is very close to what the final release will be, and is where a huge number of bugs will be squashed to make sure that the final release is on a par in terms of stability as well as features with any other distribution. From angel.fedora at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 16:23:34 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Ashiqur Rahman) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:23:34 +0600 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 for Jon! On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I haven't sent this yet as I'd rather get other people's thoughts too, > and I'm sure some are able to be far more accurate than I am! > > best wishes > > Jon > > ------------------------ > > I just read this article and was disappointed to discover that you > seem to have severely mis-represented the Fedora Project. If I can > take a few moments of your time, I'd like to advise you of the > specific points in the story where you've been mistaken, and also to > invite you to start a dialogue with the Fedora Project by contacting > us on press AT fedoraproject DOT org to avoid making the same in the > future. > > "...Red Hat has a preview of an upcoming Fedora Development release, > Version 9..." > > Firstly, Fedora is not a Red Hat product but a community maintained > distribution of which the majority of packages (over 60%) are > maintained by non-Red Hat employees. Secondly, Fedora is not a > development release in anyway, but a stable system that showcases the > latest free and open source software. It's true to say, on the other > hand, that Fedora is an innovative distribution that leads the way in > the adoption and development of a lot of new technologies, feeding > back all improvements and changes we make up-stream for the benefit of > all. > > "Fedora 8 is the currently available development release, which got > underway in April 2007 and which was launched last November. A lot of > the code that was hammered out in that Fedora 8 development release is > winding its way toward Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2" > > Again, any final release of Fedora such as version 8 is not a > development release. A lot of the code from that release is making > it's way into RHEL 5.2, but you know what else, it's making it's way > into all other GNU/Linux distributions too including Ubuntu, Debian > and openSUSE. This is because we push our developments to the upstream > communities, which other distributions then base their own work > around. > > "Remember, the Fedora 9 preview is just that--a preview--and is not > even to be considered beta code yet and hence is not appropriate for > anything close to production environments." > > I feel like I'm repeating myself, but Fedora 9 will not be a > development release, and you're mis-representing the facts by > suggesting that the preview release is not even to be considered beta > software. The preview release is very close to what the final release > will be, and is where a huge number of bugs will be squashed to make > sure that the final release is on a par in terms of stability as well > as features with any other distribution. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 16:27:22 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:57:22 +0530 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nicely worded. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 16:29:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:59:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: -- [I would suggest starting out with a more positive tone. The website has been covering Fedora releases consistently and that press is a good thing even if do get some details wrong] > > "...Red Hat has a preview of an upcoming Fedora Development release, > Version 9..." > > Firstly, Fedora is not a Red Hat product but a community maintained > distribution of which the majority of packages (over 60%) are > maintained by non-Red Hat employees. Throw in a link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics > > "Fedora 8 is the currently available development release, which got > underway in April 2007 and which was launched last November. A lot of > the code that was hammered out in that Fedora 8 development release is > winding its way toward Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2" The amount of actual code that flowed from Fedora 8 to RHEL 5.2 is pretty minor but the highlight that code flows to everywhere from upstream is a good point too. > I feel like I'm repeating myself, but Fedora 9 will not be a > development release, and you're mis-representing the facts by > suggesting that the preview release is not even to be considered beta > software. The preview release is very close to what the final release > will be, and is where a huge number of bugs will be squashed to make > sure that the final release is on a par in terms of stability as well > as features with any other distribution. This can be reworded as "Fedora 9 preview release follows the Fedora 9 Beta release as you can see from the release schedule at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule and as indicated in the announcement is close to the general release of Fedora. We appreciate your corrections to this article and feel free to get back to us on any additional information or clarifications you might want about Fedora 9 in particular and Fedora Project in general. Rahul From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 16:48:43 2008 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:48:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> I agree with Rahul -- we need to frame this in a more positive tone. I think scheduling a phone call with Paul and the journalist would be a more effective vehicle. We could clear up any incorrect details and continue to build a good relationship with this journalist....all leading to positive (and accurate) coverage of Fedora in the future. I'm offering up my help in scheduling this call. -Kara Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > -- > > [I would suggest starting out with a more positive tone. The website > has been covering Fedora releases consistently and that press is a > good thing even if do get some details wrong] > >> >> "...Red Hat has a preview of an upcoming Fedora Development release, >> Version 9..." >> >> Firstly, Fedora is not a Red Hat product but a community maintained >> distribution of which the majority of packages (over 60%) are >> maintained by non-Red Hat employees. > > Throw in a link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics > >> >> "Fedora 8 is the currently available development release, which got >> underway in April 2007 and which was launched last November. A lot of >> the code that was hammered out in that Fedora 8 development release is >> winding its way toward Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2" > > The amount of actual code that flowed from Fedora 8 to RHEL 5.2 is > pretty minor but the highlight that code flows to everywhere from > upstream is a good point too. > >> I feel like I'm repeating myself, but Fedora 9 will not be a >> development release, and you're mis-representing the facts by >> suggesting that the preview release is not even to be considered beta >> software. The preview release is very close to what the final release >> will be, and is where a huge number of bugs will be squashed to make >> sure that the final release is on a par in terms of stability as well >> as features with any other distribution. > > This can be reworded as "Fedora 9 preview release follows the Fedora 9 > Beta release as you can see from the release schedule at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule and as indicated in > the announcement is close to the general release of Fedora. We > appreciate your corrections to this article and feel free to get back > to us on any additional information or clarifications you might want > about Fedora 9 in particular and Fedora Project in general. > > Rahul > -- Kara Schiltz Corporate Communications Red Hat, Inc. office: 919.301.3002 cell: 919.924.8557 RH extension 43002 From lday at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 17:06:10 2008 From: lday at redhat.com (Leigh Cantrell Day) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48175582.30406@redhat.com> I would take a much lighter approach. Keep in mind that journalists have a lot on their plates, often 'acquiring' new beats and keeping track of many companies and many technologies. You can't expect them to always be subject matter experts. Also, we will want to go back to this journalist. Maintaining a positive, mutually respectful relationship is key. Suggestions, inline. Take 'em or leave 'em. > ------------------------ > > I just read this article and was disappointed to discover that you > seem to have severely mis-represented the Fedora Project. Replace with, "Just wanted to introduce myself and my role/connection with Fedora..." and then an offer to talk personally about Fedora and this article in particular. No journalist wants to hear that they've 'severely misrepresented' anything. If I can > take a few moments of your time, I'd like to advise you of the > specific points in the story where you've been mistaken, replace mistaken w/ inaccurate, take out 'you've' as this makes it too personal. and also to > invite you to start a dialogue with the Fedora Project by contacting > us on press AT fedoraproject DOT org to avoid making the same in the > future. > > "...Red Hat has a preview of an upcoming Fedora Development release, > Version 9..." > > Firstly, Fedora is not a Red Hat product but a community maintained > distribution of which the majority of packages (over 60%) are > maintained by non-Red Hat employees. Change to, "Although Fedora is a project sponsored by Red Hat, I would like to clarify that it is a community maintained distribution..." Secondly, Fedora is not a > development release in anyway, but a stable system that showcases the > latest free and open source software. Change to, "As you know, Fedora includes the most innovative technologies. However it's not actually a development release, we take great care in testing, many eyes of the community, etc. etc. etc..." It's true to say, on the other > hand, that Fedora is an innovative distribution that leads the way in > the adoption and development of a lot of new technologies, feeding > back all improvements and changes we make up-stream for the benefit of > all. > > "Fedora 8 is the currently available development release, which got > underway in April 2007 and which was launched last November. A lot of > the code that was hammered out in that Fedora 8 development release is > winding its way toward Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2" > > Again, any final release of Fedora such as version 8 is not a > development release. A lot of the code from that release is making > it's way into RHEL 5.2, but you know what else, it's making it's way > into all other GNU/Linux distributions too including Ubuntu, Debian > and openSUSE. This is because we push our developments to the upstream > communities, which other distributions then base their own work > around. > > "Remember, the Fedora 9 preview is just that--a preview--and is not > even to be considered beta code yet and hence is not appropriate for > anything close to production environments." > > I feel like I'm repeating myself, Delete. but Fedora 9 will not be a > development release, and you're mis-representing the facts by > suggesting that the preview release is not even to be considered beta > software. Delete. The preview release is very close to what the final release > will be, and is where a huge number of bugs will be squashed to make > sure that the final release is on a par in terms of stability as well > as features with any other distribution. Add: "I, along with others on the Fedora team, look forward to working with you on future stories. Would love to set up a call with you to discuss this particular piece. We are having FUDCon during the Summit in June, would be great for you to come see a microcosm of the community in action." leigh From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 17:12:33 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <48175582.30406@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48175582.30406@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Leigh Cantrell Day wrote: > I would take a much lighter approach. Keep in mind that journalists have a > lot on their plates, often 'acquiring' new beats and keeping track of many > companies and many technologies. You can't expect them to always be subject > matter experts. Also, we will want to go back to this journalist. > Maintaining a positive, mutually respectful relationship is key. > > Suggestions, inline. Take 'em or leave 'em. And when she says "take 'em or leave 'em," I'd strongly advise taking them. Having frequently made these kinds of mistakes myself. :) When someone misses the mark this badly, I often have to restrain the urge to "hit 'em in the mouth." Resist that urge. Remember, JonRob: you ARE Fedora. Just like everyone else on this list is. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 17:19:00 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Kara Schiltz wrote: > I agree with Rahul -- we need to frame this in a more positive tone. > I think scheduling a phone call with Paul and the journalist would be > a more effective vehicle. We could clear up any incorrect details and > continue to build a good relationship with this journalist....all > leading to positive (and accurate) coverage of Fedora in the future. Jon's points are valid -- there are several inaccuracies in the article. However, the author does have a standing relationship with Fedora, insofar as I have spoken to him several times in the past, and he has covered Fedora releases before. We know him. He covers a variety of Red Hat related news, and to be honsest, I don't blame him if there is some confusion in his mind about Fedora, RHEL, and how the two play together. There's probably 4 or 5 Red Hat folks who talk to him at different times about different things, and I'm sure he gets some mixed messages. In my opinion, the best thing to do is for Paul to take some extra time during his conversation with the author in a Fedora 9 interview and help to explain and clear up any mistakes in the article. There's no malice here, IMHO. I think there is just some confusion on the part of the author on terminology, and also on how various Fedora releases relate to RHEL. I think there's a great opportunity here for Paul to help clear that up, and in doing so, turn this into a situation that is ultimately very beneficial to Fedora. In the end, the Fedora Project Leader is accountable for the relationship that Fedora has with various press outlets. It's right there in the job description. But this is also a community project, so it's up to Paul to instruct all of us (including me!) on Fedora Marketing List as to how *we* can be most useful to *him* in managing the relationship that Fedora has with various media outlets. I think it's important to make sure that articles about Fedora are as accurate as possible, but I also believe, especially from my 2 years as being the primary "voice" of Fedora, that you always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Just my opinion. --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 17:44:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:44:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> Points taken all, and I'll bear it in mind for the future! It's for learning like this that I didn't just send it without checking first :) I think the best solution I've seen so far was Kara's to have a phone call with him, but I'm happy to re-write too - though I'm busy for the next few hours with a potentially long game of Risk!! Best wishes, and as always, thanks for the advice and feedback :) Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 17:48:38 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Points taken all, and I'll bear it in mind for the future! It's for > learning like this that I didn't just send it without checking first > :) You did the right thing, Jon. I think that using f-marketing-l as a "safe" place to discuss these sorts of things is always the best first step. > though I'm busy for the next few hours with a potentially long game of > Risk!! Make sure you conquer Australia. Those extra 2 armies per turn make all the difference. --Max From gdk at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 17:50:35 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Points taken all, and I'll bear it in mind for the future! It's for > learning like this that I didn't just send it without checking first > :) > > I think the best solution I've seen so far was Kara's to have a phone > call with him, but I'm happy to re-write too - though I'm busy for the > next few hours with a potentially long game of Risk!! > > Best wishes, and as always, thanks for the advice and feedback :) My big fear here: I don't want people to interpret this as "only *official* people can speak about Fedora," which is pretty much the exact opposite of what this list is about. Personally, I would like to see Jon rework his message and take point on this. Learn the lesson, apply the lesson. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 19:27:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:27:24 +0000 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1209497244.3080.202.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 13:19 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Kara Schiltz wrote: > > > I agree with Rahul -- we need to frame this in a more positive tone. > > I think scheduling a phone call with Paul and the journalist would be > > a more effective vehicle. We could clear up any incorrect details and > > continue to build a good relationship with this journalist....all > > leading to positive (and accurate) coverage of Fedora in the future. > > Jon's points are valid -- there are several inaccuracies in the article. > > However, the author does have a standing relationship with Fedora, > insofar as I have spoken to him several times in the past, and he has > covered Fedora releases before. We know him. He covers a variety of > Red Hat related news, and to be honsest, I don't blame him if there is > some confusion in his mind about Fedora, RHEL, and how the two play > together. There's probably 4 or 5 Red Hat folks who talk to him at > different times about different things, and I'm sure he gets some mixed > messages. > > In my opinion, the best thing to do is for Paul to take some extra time > during his conversation with the author in a Fedora 9 interview and help > to explain and clear up any mistakes in the article. > > There's no malice here, IMHO. I think there is just some confusion on > the part of the author on terminology, and also on how various Fedora > releases relate to RHEL. I think there's a great opportunity here for > Paul to help clear that up, and in doing so, turn this into a situation > that is ultimately very beneficial to Fedora. > > In the end, the Fedora Project Leader is accountable for the > relationship that Fedora has with various press outlets. It's right > there in the job description. But this is also a community project, so > it's up to Paul to instruct all of us (including me!) on Fedora > Marketing List as to how *we* can be most useful to *him* in managing > the relationship that Fedora has with various media outlets. > > I think it's important to make sure that articles about Fedora are as > accurate as possible, but I also believe, especially from my 2 years as > being the primary "voice" of Fedora, that you always catch more flies > with honey than with vinegar. Well, if there's ever been a door held for me to walk through, that's got to be it. :-) It is *absolutely vital* that all of us on the Fedora Marketing team be on the same page for how to deal with journalists and other media people. Presenting a consistent, positive, and thoughtful message about Fedora is our Number One priority on this team and on this list. A lot of the message points are already documented on our wiki so there's no need to rehash them here. Journalists are busy people, just like you and me, and occasionally they make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes go uncorrected and become embedded in the journalist's mind. It's up to us to correct them helpfully, with a gentle touch, and to leave the door open for future interaction with them. A single negative interaction can sometimes close a media door to us for good (or at least for a long time), but consistent, positive interactions make it likely that journalists will return to us for good stories. *WE* have the ability to make all the difference. (?By the way, if you're even the *least bit* geeky, go read this now: http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html . Now assume in any future interaction with journalists that *only you* have read this, and it's up to you to work with that person's tact filter.) The #1 guideline that will make everything else below just icing on the cake: *GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO BE NICE.* It's *especially* important to be concise, careful, and polite if you are talking with a person whose native language is different than yours. Cultural norms differ and you want to make sure that (1) your message is understood, (2) the other person understands it, and (3) that person goes away feeling that the interaction was helpful and friendly. Again, *GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO BE NICE.* This may be the 14,267th person you've had to talk to about what Fedora is, or why we do things a certain way, but you may be the FIRST AND ONLY Fedora person that individual has ever met. Make it an experience so great that by the time you're done, they'll want to join up themselves. AND their neighbors. ;-) (And if they want to contribute to FOSS, we're happy to have them.) Here are some ideas for how to handle these follow-ups. Please look at these and make comments, since this is certainly a team effort. 1. For any formal press outlets, if you see something wrong, send a boilerplate letter with an offer to provide more information. Either Cc: or Bcc: the fedora-marketing-list and me. I don't want all of our ability to get our message out to block on me, but I also want a shot at spinning these offers into interview opportunities. (Look at it this way -- that's part of my job, so I get to point to these interviews at the end of the year and say "Didn't I do a great job? Huh? *ahem*"... followed by the sound of crickets.) And don't forget, be nice. *** TODO: Draft up the boilerplate. It should be even-toned and helpful and give the journalist a chance to check their facts, which I'd think most of them would really appreciate. Maybe Kara would like to take a shot at doing this on our wiki, at e.g. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FollowUp 2. For blogs, don't just put in a comment. Trackback from your own blog, and tag or categorize it so it gets carried on the Fedora Planet feed! Wait, you're not on our Planet feed? Well put this message on hold, go read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet and come back when you're done following those instructions. And don't forget, be nice. (Wait a minute, maybe I said that before...) 3. For broadcast, make a note of the show name, the air date/time, and where you heard it, and send something to the list. Now, I certainly don't mind at all if people just refer these articles to me, because after all, if only one person is speaking, that makes for a potentially very consistent message. But it's not a very scalable model going forward. Rather, I'd like to turn these follow-ups into *opportunities* to speak to media officially. And if, on top of that, our intrepid Marketing team is following up with a consistent, positive message, especially under the tutelage of Leigh, Kara, and some of the other professional marketing people from Red Hat, we are going to find ourselves with a very successful press campaign on our hands. Please write your comments back, I'd love to hear what people think about what I've written above. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 29 20:45:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:45:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804291345i6284ec68xbf2482d76dd938cc@mail.gmail.com> OK all, firstly, I'd like to say I'm slightly embarrassed - I always like to think that I'm polite and positive in what I say and certainly on this occasion that's not been the case! So, yeah, firstly apologies for what I said previously... like people said, the points were valid but the tone certainly wasn't. Secondly, whether or not this gets used (I'm uncertain of the preferred direction following the comments so far in this thread), here is a re-worked version - as always more comments and feedback is welcome :) ------------- Hi there, I was just sending a quick note to you as I was slightly disappointed when I read your article. Mostly, I just wanted to let you know that the Fedora Project isn't a development release for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but rather a mature and stable distribution in it's own right, which aims to promote the latest and greatest in free and open source software. One of our proudest points as a community of contributors is that we help drive innovation in free and open source software by ensuring all the exciting work we do each release is quickly fed upstream, allowing all to benefit from it. It's because of this that a lot of our code ends up in RHEL, and also in the majority of the major distributions such as Ubuntu, Debian and oepnSUSE. Another point that we take significant pride in is that the majority of the packages that make up the distribution (over 60%) are maintained by non-Red Hat members. Interestingly, it's been recently decided that the governance of Fedora would change from there being a majority of people on the board appointed by Red Hat, to a majority of people being elected by the community. I hope these points might be of interest to you, and would love to invite you to start a dialogue with the project so that in the future we can work together to make your life a little easier :) Feel free to send an e-mail to press AT fedoraproject DOT org anytime, and someone will be more than happy to help. Best wishes, ---------------- From irashadul at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 22:17:31 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:17:31 -0400 Subject: Examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580804291517m5780d3f4jdaff88f6a38f78d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi: I would like to add that, - Prepare some differences between Fedora 9 and UBUNTU or REDHAT Enterprise edition. It really helps. - Ready to answer about KDE desktop or its features - How developed the Kernal is at Fedora? - Why you present yourself for Fedora 9 or Fedora Community? - Does the graphics compitable with Due Core processor? - Why the name Fedora? Why not linux? --------> Check the history please - Prepare to answer any kind of Network questions. I recommend all the features. - Give them some food or tag the logo with their cloths. It helps a lot and you will get more people that way. - Keep your business card. It helps you to explain things to the people who dont know about Fedora. - Be organized in your presentation, poster, or banner. - Hand over the flyers to the busy people. Regards, Rashadul Islam Fedora Ambassador 2008/4/28 Jason Fenner : > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Valent Turkovic < > valent.turkovic at gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171 > > > > Hi, > > as suggested in the last comment I'm mailing here. > > > > So what do you believe is the best way to present the features of > > Fedora Desktop? What are they? How would you present them? Would you > > make a video or audio showing or explaining the use of some features > > and applications, or would you just put some files that are from that > > application so that users see for them self what can be done with > > different applications? Something completely different? > > > > Please share your ideas... > > > > Cheers, > > Valent. > > > > -- > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org > > . > > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > > > > I think some screencasts showing how to do common tasks in Fedora would be > useful. > > Examples: > > -How to install software. > -How set up email. > -How to edit/create documents with Open Office. > -How to connect to a CIFS/Windows file share. > -How to add a network or direct connection printer. > -How to use blue tooth. > > Etc... > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > Jason > aka, Axelilly > Catch me on gchat or Jabber > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Northern America, Canada/Montreal Email: rashadul at fedoraproject.org Home Site: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CategoryAmbassadorsCanada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, yeah, firstly apologies > for what I said previously... like people said, the points were valid > but the tone certainly wasn't. > > Secondly, whether or not this gets used (I'm uncertain of the > preferred direction following the comments so far in this thread), > here is a re-worked version - as always more comments and feedback is > welcome :) > > ------------- > > Hi there, > > I was just sending a quick note to you as I was slightly disappointed > when I read your article. Mostly, I just wanted to let you know that > the Fedora Project isn't a development release for Red Hat Enterprise > Linux, but rather a mature and stable distribution in it's own right, > which aims to promote the latest and greatest in free and open source > software. > > One of our proudest points as a community of contributors is that we > help drive innovation in free and open source software by ensuring all > the exciting work we do each release is quickly fed upstream, allowing > all to benefit from it. It's because of this that a lot of our code > ends up in RHEL, and also in the majority of the major distributions > such as Ubuntu, Debian and oepnSUSE. > > Another point that we take significant pride in is that the majority > of the packages that make up the distribution (over 60%) are > maintained by non-Red Hat members. 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Rather than set an agenda for the meeting, we would like to start with the topic of the upcoming Fedora 9 release. In particular, how has this release differed -- improved or regressed -- from previous releases? The meeting will be open, however, to any questions from the community. ?The Board has set aside the first meeting of each month as a public "town hall" style meeting. We are hoping to do an audio-based meeting at some point in the near future when resources allow. The Infrastructure team continues to make solid progress on this front. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Apr 30 17:49:15 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:49:15 -0700 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram said the following on 04/19/2008 08:47 AM Pacific Time: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Hey, >> >> We should probably start working on this soon to make sure it's in >> good shape for the final release? >> >> I think the work already done on the beta release notes is a great >> foundation, it probably just needs tidying up a bit and updating here >> and there. >> >> Is this going in the SSS? > > A while back, I added a note to the release notes overview and a link to > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary > > We should probably highlight the major new features here. I would reuse > a lot of your recent blog post but also expand on the many other > features in the last para a bit more. That would a pretty good release > summary. Highlight the USP's first but also any new improvement gets a > place in there too. > > Rahul > Is anyone going to update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary ? I just came across it while stubbing out some pages for Fedora 10 and it hasn't been touched since November 2007. If we decide not to use it I think it should be deleted so it is not a distraction. John From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 30 18:11:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:11:59 +0100 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0804301111n78d3b424yb4f399414542103e@mail.gmail.com> > Is anyone going to update > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary ? > > I just came across it while stubbing out some pages for Fedora 10 and it > hasn't been touched since November 2007. > > If we decide not to use it I think it should be deleted so it is not a > distraction. I've got a feeling this is coming from the SSS this time - if that's not the plan then I will update it, probably over this weekend or beginning of next week... Best wishes, Jon From gdk at redhat.com Wed Apr 30 18:24:04 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora marketing meeting reminder: tomorrow at 3pm Eastern US time Message-ID: So there have been a few items added concerning the Single Source Summary. Maybe they were actually there last week and I missed them, since they were at the bottom. If we are actually intending to focus on these items this week, then they will take up most of the agenda. Or are these items being covered by the docs group? I just want to be absolutely clear Paul, Max, since we are the 3 owners of these items, should we be getting together to discuss them? Or was this stuff that you and Paul worked on last week? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 19:38:18 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:38:18 -0800 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910804301238p28234a25xef1d3e4636307f67@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Personally, I would like to see Jon rework his message and take point on > this. Learn the lesson, apply the lesson. And he needs to find a way to reference url's to Fedora global usage and contributor maps. More generally speaking.... with the 1000 to 1 value of pictures to words in mind. What sort of useful things can we show laypress about our project in the form or pretty graphs? The maps answer the question concerning the global nature of our usage and contribution..succinctly. Are there other important concepts we can get across to the laypress by data mining our own historic and on-going processes and then prettying up into a useful graphic? -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 20:08:18 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:08:18 -0800 Subject: Examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) In-Reply-To: <17fa59580804291517m5780d3f4jdaff88f6a38f78d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580804291517m5780d3f4jdaff88f6a38f78d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910804301308s23295a2dre47b5b9ef11a6963@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/29 Rashadul Islam : > - Prepare some differences between Fedora 9 and UBUNTU or REDHAT Enterprise > edition. It really helps. Let me strongly suggest that making a detailed side by side comparisons with any other distribution is NOT something fedora as a project or its representative should be doing. Its an activity that comes with strong inherent biases and it will be very difficult to make a fair comparison where the person putting together the material has not been influenced by the differing degrees of experience with each distribution. If we do it in a way that looks like its an official Fedora project presentation..a person's intimate knowledge of Fedora and relatively poor knowledge of other distributions can come off as biased propaganda meant to sully the work of others. Avoid doing it. Comparisons such as this are best left to 3rd parties. Avoid setting up a presentation that attempts to measure a specific Fedora release relative to any other distribution's specific release. Prepare the materials based on the inherent characteristics of Fedora and relative changes from previous Fedora releases. If you must answer questions like "What's different between Fedora and this other distribution" then focus on the Fedora Project's goal to drive open innovation that benefits all linux users regardless of distribution by working as closely with upstream projects as possible. A very informed Fedora enthusiast will have a hard time making equally informed statements about distributions which are not closely aligned with Fedora ecosystem. -jef"Don't get be a Fedora fanboy. Be an upstream project development fanboy"spaleta