From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 1 01:42:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:12:55 +0530 Subject: Direct Ogg Support in Firefox Message-ID: <48926A1F.9030208@fedoraproject.org> Hi, The effects of this should be very interesting to watch. http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=492 Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 1 05:48:49 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:48:49 +0300 Subject: Direct Ogg Support in Firefox In-Reply-To: <48926A1F.9030208@fedoraproject.org> References: <48926A1F.9030208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4892A3C1.8010500@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > The effects of this should be very interesting to watch. > > http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=492 The Mozilla wiki is not clear about dates, have you any idea if this will make F10 or is F11 material? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 1 06:36:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:06:06 +0530 Subject: Direct Ogg Support in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4892A3C1.8010500@nicubunu.ro> References: <48926A1F.9030208@fedoraproject.org> <4892A3C1.8010500@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4892AED6.800@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> The effects of this should be very interesting to watch. >> >> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=492 > > The Mozilla wiki is not clear about dates, have you any idea if this > will make F10 or is F11 material? If it is Firefox 3.1 as some blogs have hinted, it might even be available as a update in Fedora 9. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 1 09:20:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:20:07 +0300 Subject: Direct Ogg Support in Firefox In-Reply-To: <4892AED6.800@fedoraproject.org> References: <48926A1F.9030208@fedoraproject.org> <4892A3C1.8010500@nicubunu.ro> <4892AED6.800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4892D547.6090506@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> The effects of this should be very interesting to watch. >>> >>> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=492 >> >> The Mozilla wiki is not clear about dates, have you any idea if this >> will make F10 or is F11 material? > > If it is Firefox 3.1 as some blogs have hinted, it might even be > available as a update in Fedora 9. A bit of research shows that the release date for Firefox 3.1 is not defined precisely, but as "a late 2008 or early 2009". Just recently they released the first Alpha (without video support), which will be followed by a number of Alphas, Betas and RCs. As past experience tells, *if* Fedora 10 will have the new version, it will start tracking the development branch in Rawhide (now Rawhide is at Firefox 3.0.1). My pessimistic self is tempted to believe more the "early 2009", which is just in time for Fedora 11 and near to the end of the life cycle of Fedora 9. I think this release is somewhat important (as Rahul pointed in the initial message) because it will impact the way we publish videos related to Fedora. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 06:25:22 2008 From: sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com (sriram vasudevan) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:55:22 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 CD/DVDs In-Reply-To: <1217443387.3493.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1217443387.3493.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <85035c970808032325y6215ed7bva5816eaefa5730c4@mail.gmail.com> hi .. I want fedora 9.How can i get it??? pl help.. thanx On 7/31/08, Luca Foppiano wrote: > > Hi all, > I sent a mail few day ago about Italian Linux Day that will be on > October 25th. > > We will bet on Fedora USB fill station, but we wish to have also CD/DVDs > to give away, we won't to spend money to print CDs.. there are still > Fedora 9 CD/DVDs left? > > Unfortunately, we can't provide Fedora 10, because it will come out > about few days after October 25th . > > I hope someone can reply to me. > > thanks > luca > -- > Today is Sweetmorn, the 65th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 > > Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? > A: Because he was hungry. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Regards Sriram :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(List what you think is relevant) * What level and type of marketing skills do you have? : Nothing on paper apart from above. * What other skills do you have that might be applicable?: Not afraid to talk * My website(s) are http://www.frankly3d.com http://www.posermilitary.com (parked) Faithfully, Frank ________________________________________________________________________ From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 15:42:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:42:34 -0500 Subject: business card sizes Message-ID: <20080804154234.GA15763@gmail.com> I know that many countries seem to have a standard business card size of 2.5" x 3". Are there any other sizes widely used by other regions? -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Funny that no 2.5"x3" is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 16:44:01 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:44:01 -0500 Subject: business card sizes In-Reply-To: <48972A57.5080003@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080804154234.GA15763@gmail.com> <48972A57.5080003@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080804164353.GA30363@gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:12:07PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Funny that no 2.5"x3" is listed here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions > Errrrrrr. I meant 2"x3.5". /me fail -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 4 18:38:15 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:38:15 -0400 Subject: business card sizes In-Reply-To: <20080804164353.GA30363@gmail.com> References: <20080804154234.GA15763@gmail.com> <48972A57.5080003@nicubunu.ro> <20080804164353.GA30363@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48974C97.9050601@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:12:07PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Funny that no 2.5"x3" is listed here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions >> > Errrrrrr. I meant 2"x3.5". /me fail You know, I usually cheat when looking for these kind of document sizes and I look at what sizes glabels supports... ~m From irashadul at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:20:26 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:20:26 -0400 Subject: business card sizes In-Reply-To: <48974C97.9050601@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080804154234.GA15763@gmail.com> <48972A57.5080003@nicubunu.ro> <20080804164353.GA30363@gmail.com> <48974C97.9050601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <17fa59580808041220u4707ae29w9df05b5e3ecff3d4@mail.gmail.com> what kind of paper we should use for business card. It should be same for all. -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:12:07PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >>> Funny that no 2.5"x3" is listed here: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions >>> >>> Errrrrrr. I meant 2"x3.5". /me fail >> > > You know, I usually cheat when looking for these kind of document sizes and > I look at what sizes glabels supports... > > ~m > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK there is no plan to provide contributors with business cards. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 07:47:37 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:47:37 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase Message-ID: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. One thing I find missing from their announcement is the mention of what kind of submissions are they looking for and are those submissions restricted or not to usage of non-free tools (ie. Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio, Premiere, etc...). I don't know what expression "Free Culture Artist" means because I think that there could be lost of Ubuntu users out that that would feel that they are that even if they run Ubuntu as their secundary system and do their primary work on completely proprietary system (Os X or Windows). Any thoughts? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From hellcomdev at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 07:56:32 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:56:32 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> +1 like the idea too, and i have some ideas for clips and videos too =] On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase > > I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. One thing I > find missing from their announcement is the mention of what kind of > submissions are they looking for and are those submissions restricted > or not to usage of non-free tools (ie. Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio, > Premiere, etc...). I don't know what expression "Free Culture Artist" > means because I think that there could be lost of Ubuntu users out > that that would feel that they are that even if they run Ubuntu as > their secundary system and do their primary work on completely > proprietary system (Os X or Windows). > > Any thoughts? > > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 08:20:47 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:20:47 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217924447.3113.9.camel@frank-01> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:47 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase > > I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. Mixed feelings, apart from the is it made with f\oss, I think, where possible such should be kept within the "local" creative talent. What would it say if XXX.blog read: "Well known 'distro' had to go outside the fold to get their "bells and whistles" sorted. Frank From gerold at lugd.org Tue Aug 5 08:21:18 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:21:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33849.217.162.12.42.1217924478.squirrel@www.gbc.net> yeahhh ... don't ask WHAT YOU CAN DO; Just DO it ... We're free, and please remeber whatever you/we do: We're LEADERS, no(t) fellows! regards Gerold PS.: >;-) > +1 > > like the idea too, and i have some ideas for clips and videos too =] > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase >> >> I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. One thing I >> find missing from their announcement is the mention of what kind of >> submissions are they looking for and are those submissions restricted >> or not to usage of non-free tools (ie. Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio, >> Premiere, etc...). I don't know what expression "Free Culture Artist" >> means because I think that there could be lost of Ubuntu users out >> that that would feel that they are that even if they run Ubuntu as >> their secundary system and do their primary work on completely >> proprietary system (Os X or Windows). >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Valent. >> >> -- >> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ >> linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless >> registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, >> http://counter.li.org. >> ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > RazGriz > The Solo_-Wing. > Diretor de Arte > GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org > 2 Tons Comunica??o > Revista Fedora Brasil > Portal O-Gimp > -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 5 08:21:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:21:40 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48980D94.80400@nicubunu.ro> RazGriz wrote: > +1 > > like the idea too, and i have some ideas for clips and videos too =] If you have ideas for videos, do not wait anymore, Fedora is in need for such materials for our channel (it was discussed recently on this list) https://fedorahosted.org/fedoratv/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 08:43:58 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:43:58 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <48980D94.80400@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> <48980D94.80400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220808050143k1f5f95a6pfc90195c37d79003@mail.gmail.com> yeah , already making stuff for it =] On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > RazGriz wrote: > >> +1 >> >> like the idea too, and i have some ideas for clips and videos too =] >> > > If you have ideas for videos, do not wait anymore, Fedora is in need for > such materials for our channel (it was discussed recently on this list) > https://fedorahosted.org/fedoratv/ > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. 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URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 5 09:03:25 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <33849.217.162.12.42.1217924478.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220808050056x3c98d1a0q7c5dd0c1a25459b5@mail.gmail.com> <33849.217.162.12.42.1217924478.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Gerold wrote: > yeahhh ... > > don't ask WHAT YOU CAN DO; Just DO it ... > > We're free, and please remeber whatever you/we do: > > > We're LEADERS, no(t) fellows! > > > regards > > Gerold > > > PS.: >;-) > > > >> +1 >> >> like the idea too, and i have some ideas for clips and videos too =] >> >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Valent Turkovic >> wrote: >> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase >>> >>> I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. One thing I >>> find missing from their announcement is the mention of what kind of >>> submissions are they looking for and are those submissions restricted >>> or not to usage of non-free tools (ie. Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio, >>> Premiere, etc...). I don't know what expression "Free Culture Artist" >>> means because I think that there could be lost of Ubuntu users out >>> that that would feel that they are that even if they run Ubuntu as >>> their secundary system and do their primary work on completely >>> proprietary system (Os X or Windows). >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Valent. >>> >>> -- >>> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ >>> linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless >>> registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, >>> http://counter.li.org. >>> ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> RazGriz >> The Solo_-Wing. >> Diretor de Arte >> GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org >> 2 Tons Comunica??o >> Revista Fedora Brasil >> Portal O-Gimp >> -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 too. I want only to advice everyone about a past experience we had, it was a Contest (Open Video Contest) organized with the collaboration of Creative Commons. I know it differed for goals and requirements, but it could be useful because it remarks we tried to push Free Culture before anyone :) The links of the, past, initiative are: - http://creativecommons.org/press-releases/entry/5945 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo If you need help, I'm here. Regards Francesco Ugolini From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 5 09:30:50 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:30:50 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48981DCA.3080700@nicubunu.ro> Valent Turkovic wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase It looks somewhat close to the ccLiveContent spin which was based of Fedora (version 1.0 which was supposed to be followed by a 2.0 version, don't know what happened with it) > I like this Ubuntu team idea, so I just posted this FYI. One thing I > find missing from their announcement is the mention of what kind of > submissions are they looking for and are those submissions restricted > or not to usage of non-free tools (ie. Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio, They seems to focus on Free formats, so the files can be played out of the box and that is all. > Premiere, etc...). I don't know what expression "Free Culture Artist" > means because I think that there could be lost of Ubuntu users out I bet "Free Culture" is understood as "released under a Creative Commons license" > that that would feel that they are that even if they run Ubuntu as > their secundary system and do their primary work on completely > proprietary system (Os X or Windows). Probably because more people are into "Free Culture" (read: CC license) than "Free Software" and they just target the largest audience. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 5 09:33:30 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:33:30 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <1217924447.3113.9.camel@frank-01> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1217924447.3113.9.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48981E6A.7050809@nicubunu.ro> Frank Murphy wrote: > Mixed feelings, apart from the is it made with f\oss, > I think, where possible such should be kept within the "local" > creative talent. What would it say if XXX.blog read: > > "Well known 'distro' had to go outside the fold to get their "bells and > whistles" sorted. Or from the opposite angle, see it as a way to recruit new users and contributors, no matter if they come for the right or wrong reason. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 10:12:34 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:12:34 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <48981E6A.7050809@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1217924447.3113.9.camel@frank-01> <48981E6A.7050809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217931154.7622.5.camel@frank-01> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 12:33 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Frank Murphy wrote: > > Mixed feelings, apart from the is it made with f\oss, > > I think, where possible such should be kept within the "local" > > creative talent. What would it say if XXX.blog read: > > > > "Well known 'distro' had to go outside the fold to get their "bells and > > whistles" sorted. > > Or from the opposite angle, see it as a way to recruit new users and > contributors, Touche > no matter if they come for the right or wrong reason. Not so sure about the wrong reason, I don't mean a proprietary background, but does a distro need someone who maybe be in it just for the laurels, and then head to the next challenge. Frank From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 5 10:40:00 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:40:00 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase In-Reply-To: <1217931154.7622.5.camel@frank-01> References: <64b14b300808050047u16697782rb3c940dc4f333651@mail.gmail.com> <1217924447.3113.9.camel@frank-01> <48981E6A.7050809@nicubunu.ro> <1217931154.7622.5.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48982E00.7090309@nicubunu.ro> Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 12:33 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Or from the opposite angle, see it as a way to recruit new users and >> contributors, no matter if they come for the right or wrong reason. > > Not so sure about the wrong reason, > I don't mean a proprietary background, > but does a distro need someone who maybe be in it just for the laurels, > and then head to the next challenge. A wrong reason may be wanting a cheaper OS X or an unpaid Windows clone. Or an OS that just look pretty. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 5 18:21:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:51:25 +0530 Subject: Make your own Fedora re-spin Message-ID: <48989A25.1070902@fedoraproject.org> Hi Yet another article on revisor. Short on details but nevertheless a good intro. http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=723 "By the time a distro has been released, there are probably already several updates available. This is not a problem on a single internet-connected computer, but what if you have to install a dozen machines in an office, or there is no decent internet connection? An updated install DVD removes the need for this. Also, do you really want to answer all those questions each time when the answers are always the same? A custom install disc can take care of that for you." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 5 18:25:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:55:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora on a stick Message-ID: <48989B2E.90901@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linux.com/feature/143261 "With Fedora on a stick drive, no matter where you go or what PC you're using, you'll have your own Fedora desktop already set up just the way you want it. Fedora 9 is an excellent, modern Linux; if you enjoy using it, you'll enjoy even more being able to use it on almost any PC at hand. " Rahul From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Aug 5 19:10:58 2008 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:10:58 -0400 Subject: Red Hat, Community Release Fedora 10 Alpha Message-ID: <4898A5C2.2060503@redhat.com> IDG News Service 8.5.08 Red Hat, Community Release Fedora 10 Alpha By Liz Montalbano Red Hat and project contributors have released alpha code for Fedora 10, the next version of the community-sponsored, free and open-source Linux distribution that will include enhancements to the audio, security and wireless-connection features of the OS. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/080508-red-hat-community-release-fedora.html?page=1 -Kara From red at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 6 07:04:42 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro red Mathys ) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:04:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: press coverage postings to the list/wiki Message-ID: <62091.194.41.216.154.1218006282.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Hi marketing, Most of you may have noticed, that most of the traffic on this list is single posts on press coverages without any further discussion. Well, sometimes there's a "great article!" or "they got it all wrong!" - but that's pretty much it IMHO. This causes quite some traffic on the list and some people who were once subscribed to this list stopped reading it/contributing to it because of this. IMHO, the list is for discussion and working together (e.g. on press releases[2], of which we don't release many yet and they're even mostly written by the ambassadors) - but press coverages don't fit in. Additionally, there's the Press Archive[1] in the wiki for this purpose, which even allows a faster overlook of (past/present) articles. People can even watch those pages if they want to be informed about new press coverage like on the list. If you don't like the wiki for this, maybe some Blog might be even better. People could subscribe to the RSS feed and we could even include that on the planet. You could do categories and tags pretty much like on the wiki. But I'm more of an ambassador than of a marketing person, so I might get that picture wrong. What do you think? Regards, red [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 6 08:15:44 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:15:44 +0100 Subject: press coverage postings to the list/wiki In-Reply-To: <62091.194.41.216.154.1218006282.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> References: <62091.194.41.216.154.1218006282.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Message-ID: <1218010544.2858.4.camel@adam> > But I'm more of an ambassador than of a marketing person, so I might get > that picture wrong. What do you think? I'm happy to have these press mentions coming to the list as it helps us discover times when it would be a good idea for someone from the project to write a note advising of corrections, or even saying thank you for a great article :) Both probably go quite a long way with journalists. I would also agree, however, that it would be great if we could get these put into the press archive as well. All the best, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 6 15:23:02 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:53:02 +0530 Subject: First and only Alpha release of Fedora 10 "Cambridge" now available Message-ID: <4899C1D6.2080304@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/First-and-only-Alpha-release-of-Fedora-10-Cambridge-now-available--/news/111251 "With support from Red Hat, the Fedora Project's developers have made further improvements to the NetworkManager, which can now also be used to configure Connection Sharing and ad-hoc access points over WiFi. Another addition is a new, "glitch-free" version of the PulseAudio audio server which was given a major overhaul by its author, a Red Hat employee." Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Aug 6 15:26:34 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:26:34 -0300 Subject: CD/DVD printer/duplicator for LATAM - DONATIONS WELCOME!! Message-ID: <4899C2AA.7070406@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Guys! Thinking to improve and expand the distribution of media and dissemination of Fedora in Latin America, the Brazilian Fedora Project is collecting donations to buy a CD / DVD publisher(US$3.750,00=R$6.000). This idea will decrease the cost and increase the velocity of the media production in LATAM. If you want to contribute, we provide a link to the PayPall on the web-page for international donations: http://www.projetofedora.org/doacoes Thanks guys !! - -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiZwqAACgkQ024P1ALZT55LegCgyhrFXDc0wCanyuwv1258IfR2 JgsAni9wyQMto6XRMd8mvCjNDUrkhz0Z =2C4v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 6 15:24:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:54:06 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Alpha Preview Message-ID: <4899C216.5040904@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_10_alpha&num=1 "Fedora 10 is tracking GNOME 2.24 and the KDE spin will ship with KDE 4.1. For those of you that have a work requirement to use Microsoft Exchange, Fedora 10 may make the process easier. Integrated in Fedora 10 will be a library from OpenChange that makes it possible for open-source utilities such as the KDE PIM (Personal Information Management) and Evolution to function as clients of a Microsoft Exchange Server. OpenChange is an open-source implementation of the Microsoft Exchange protocols. As a prerequisite to integrating OpenChange, Samba 4 will also ship with Fedora 10." Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 19:45:32 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:45:32 -0800 Subject: press coverage postings to the list/wiki In-Reply-To: <1218010544.2858.4.camel@adam> References: <62091.194.41.216.154.1218006282.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> <1218010544.2858.4.camel@adam> Message-ID: <604aa7910808061245n2bda3baata82f2e50d7af35e3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I'm happy to have these press mentions coming to the list as it helps us > discover times when it would be a good idea for someone from the project > to write a note advising of corrections, or even saying thank you for a > great article :) Both probably go quite a long way with journalists. I wish I had a way to track specific journalist quality over time... to see if we are making a difference in the quality of the articles from specific journalists. I don't expect all the people out there writing reviews to 'get it' But if if we are going to respond to misinformation it would be nice to be able to see if our time is resulting in better quality articles from the same person. -jef From vidurmittal at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 10:39:13 2008 From: vidurmittal at gmail.com (Vidur Mittal) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:09:13 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Proposing fedora to govt dept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI, I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include in presentation are as follows: 1. Objective 2. Benefits 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix 5.Why use fedora 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project 7.Help and support of fedora. 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Frields) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Proposing fedora to govt dept In-Reply-To: <489ADD4E.5000008@nicubunu.ro> References: <489ADD4E.5000008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1218112738.19575.33.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 14:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Vidur Mittal wrote: > > > > I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I > > am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come > > forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to > > include in presentation are as follows: > > First of all, are *you* sure Fedora is the best tool for that job? Right. What are the use cases this government department wants to cover? Do these use cases accommodate a fast-moving, leading-edge Linux distribution, or are they better off using a slower-paced, extended lifecycle support model? While Fedora is incredibly flexible and can help solve a huge number of problems, it is not always the best tool for every IT job. That's why distributions like RHEL exist. It's important for anyone who wants to stand up in front of an audience to "pitch" Fedora to know exactly what the differences are, and articulate clearly (to themselves and others) what's right for a potential user or customer. Otherwise you risk actually doing the *opposite* of good marketing! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RHEL -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am > trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come > forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include > in presentation are as follows: > I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or other enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life cycle. you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room". moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines ? 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And if we have > it, who will run it? > > --g > We should From vidurmittal at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 16:17:43 2008 From: vidurmittal at gmail.com (Vidur Mittal) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:47:43 +0530 Subject: Proposing fedora to govt dept In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30808070553k5a2559b7m52d7e2be6006aca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30808070553k5a2559b7m52d7e2be6006aca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: HI, Thanks for the kind response I have understand the need of the dept. What my objective is that i will be recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from the valuable inputs which i have gotten from all: 1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to upgrade the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only solve the problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable to windows update. 2.I am also keeping in mind while recommending i will be getting support from my friends who will take care for the training session of fedora they will take 1 month training for them so that they are easily comfortable to use fedora. 3. Regarding server room i would recommend RHEL. Kindly guide me further so that I can make good strategy for marketing from all the valuable inputs which I would be getting . Regards Vidur Mittal 2008/8/7 Nayyar Ahmad : > > > 2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal > >> HI, >> >> I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I >> am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come >> forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include >> in presentation are as follows: >> > > I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i > was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with > fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was > Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or other > enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life > cycle. > > you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are > proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs > they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them > use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room". > > moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as > database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines > ? > > PS: i do not want to discourage you, but you have to be honest before > recommending something. > > >> >> 1. Objective >> 2. Benefits >> 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux >> 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix >> 5.Why use fedora >> 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project >> 7.Help and support of fedora. >> >> Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can >> complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the >> point for the presentation. >> Thanks in advance >> -- >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 16:30:58 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: Fedora marketing meeting today: leader? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080808070930g1b25f2f2vca4f124816935a03@mail.gmail.com> I can't make it today, either. After two days at Linux World in the Fedora booth, I promised my daughter I'd spend the day with her (and she and I would have gone to Linux World, but they don't allow kids . . . .). As an aside (and perhaps quaid, who is still at Linux World today, can comment on this further), my own personal observation is that the booth at Linux World is turning out to be a huge success. A lot of people have come by to pick up media, to talk to us about Fedora and we've been getting a lot of folks who are already users singing the praises of Fedora. What surprised me -- and I'm a relative newcomer, only around since F7 -- was the loyalty that many long-time users have to Fedora, dating back to FC3 and 4. We are not talking about a only a few people here, either; during the two days I was there, it's safe to say that I spoke to more than 50 people who were Fedora users from way back. Also, there were many people who had used Fedora in the past, but moved on to something else, and are now going to try Fedora again, so I hope F9 brings 'em back. Jack and Karsten may have solved the problem today, but we were trying to get the F10 alpha to run virtually on an F9 machine (apparently Plymouth wasn't playing nice with the virtual side of things, from what I could gather in overheard snippets of conversation). In any case, I sort of weighed in on this in #fedora-mktg yesterday from the show floor, and sorry if I've gone off too far on this tangent. Larry Cafiero On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:14 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> >> Hello folks. I'm knee-deep in OLPC stuff today... I've got a lot to do in a >> limited amount of time here in Cambridge, so I'm not going to have time to >> attend this meeting. >> >> So let me ask you... should we have it this week, or not? And if we have >> it, who will run it? >> >> --g >> > > We should > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:13:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:13:12 +0000 Subject: Proposing fedora to govt dept In-Reply-To: References: <8e1ee2a30808070553k5a2559b7m52d7e2be6006aca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218132792.19575.103.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:47 +0530, Vidur Mittal wrote: > HI, > Thanks for the kind response > I have understand the need of the dept. What my objective is that i > will be recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from > the valuable inputs which i have gotten from all: > 1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to > upgrade the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only > solve the problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable > to windows update. Yes, but is that really a workable solution? The short life span and frequent updates are usually a *problem* for most locations that want a long-term solution. Plus, Fedora is only updated actively for 13 months. That means that 13 months after having Fedora 10 installed, every machine will have to be upgraded to either Fedora 11 or Fedora 12. Does that seem like something this department's IT staff is going to want to do? I know the answer for the office where I used to work would be an emphatic "no." I'm the last person to try and convince people *not* to use Fedora. It's a great platform for people who always want the latest and greatest Linux software wrapped up in a manageable platform. But that description often does not fit a group that's looking for a long-term, "set and forget" solution. I would not be asking "How can I fit Fedora into this office?" That seems like a recipe for disaster. What you should be asking -- and what only you can answer -- is, "What are this department's needs, and how can Fedora meet them?" Maybe you can tell us what those needs and requirements are. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"The redesigned PulseAudio automatically adjusts the way it feeds audio data, to accommodate system load and ensure the audio data is always ready when needed."" Rahul From david at gnsa.us Thu Aug 7 22:22:10 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:22:10 -0400 Subject: Meeting Log Message-ID: My apologies for sending it to the docs list Summary to follow [15:04] [15:04] Roll call! [15:04] DavidNalley [15:05] * ianweller [15:05] Is mizmo around? [15:05] hiii [15:05] eeeeeeggscellent. [15:06] And I'm Paul Frields. [15:06] :-o [15:06] You might remember me from such hit shows as, "Bosom Buddies." [15:06] * rharrison accounts for himself [15:06] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:06] There's our task list. [15:07] im mizmo. u might remember me as the girl in the funny hat in the video on redhatmagazine.com right now :-p [15:07] mizmo: baby ur a star [15:07] KushalDas [15:07] (That was my Prince voice, but you couldn't hear it from there.) [15:07] lol [15:07] OK. Unless someone has an objection, [15:07] I'm going to start down the priority 1 items on the task list. [15:07] stickster, thank you a lot for the nice microphone [15:08] kushal: You're welcome. :-) [15:08] kushal: Now go out and produce thee some videos! :-) [15:08] stickster, working on them :) [15:08] OK, I see that task #1 on our list is the 4 foundations posts. [15:08] ke4qqq: I think you did a second one already, yes? [15:08] yes [15:09] ke4qqq: slap that URL in here, I'll capture it to the page too. [15:09] next will be done by tomorrow [15:09] http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 [15:10] Awesome. That's "Features"? [15:10] yes, Features is next - rough draft already done, just needs to be cleaned up a bit [15:10] ke4qqq: Let me know if you need any supplementary info -- since poelcat and I work on that pretty much daily or so. [15:10] k [15:11] Well, that's well underway, so on to the next item, unless there are objections or questions about the 4 Foundations [15:11] OK. [15:11] Ria Das [15:11] Hi Ria, thanks for coming. [15:11] mizmo: The next item is one that we discussed a bit in Artwork [15:11] :) [15:11] posterz!!11 [15:11] nowai [15:12] There had been some brainstorming, and it included... STEAMBOATZ! [15:12] yeh [15:12] steamboatz????// [15:12] i think the consensus was that we want a more graphic and less photo feel [15:12] so i gotta get offs my duff and graphic-ify [15:12] What was really interesting to me was that you guys came up with some killer ideas for how to tie the boats into each of the foundations [15:13] With Freedom, it was just the idea of boating down the river, unfettered [15:13] (or ocean) [15:13] a giant boat sitting on a earth thing [15:13] This struck a deep chord with me because I *just* got done reading "Huck Finn" with my daughter. [15:13] ianweller: Failboat? [15:13] heh [15:14] The freedom of Huck and Jim rafting down the river was a big theme in that novel. [15:14] So anyhow... [15:14] Friends was the crew all having a beer on deck, or pulling oars together, or something to that effect [15:14] Features was the awesomeness of the engine room [15:14] And Future was landing on the destination island, for example. [15:15] * stickster shuts up and lets mizmo pontificate now [15:15] well [15:15] oops, one other thing: some of those ideas may have been mine, so if they suck, blame me. [15:15] i think the status is just that we gotta do it [15:15] which was the status last week [15:15] :-D [15:15] except this week we gots a rough mock for one [15:15] :) [15:16] mizmo: If you or some other intrepid artiste can establish a "look" for one, the others might be easier to fall into place from other helpers [15:17] yep i hope os! [15:17] s/os/so [15:17] superb [15:17] --> tw2113 has joined this channel (n=tw2113 at host-17-36-107-208-static.midco.net). [15:18] Is JonRob around? [15:18] I think not. [15:18] [Error] JonRob: No such nick/channel. [15:18] i also think not [15:18] Great minds think alike, apparently, since he ain't here. [15:18] OK then. [15:19] *skritch skritch skratch* [15:19] meeting isn't it? [15:19] If mether were around, he could tell us whether JonRob talked to him. [15:19] tw2113: Yes, welcome! [15:19] stickster: whats the discussion about [15:19] split shift today so i get to come in late and possibly make the rest of it [15:20] mether: Did JonRob talk to you about reusability of the Release Notes Overview in the Release Summary? [15:20] That was his banner to take up. [15:20] nope [15:20] OK. [15:20] not offlist atleast [15:21] We'll just have to give that a miss this time, then. He had a sort of master plan in mind and I don't really know what it entailed. [15:21] ke4qqq: If you could CC JonRob on the summary, and include that bit for his benefit, it would be a big help [15:21] Thanks! [15:22] Oops, gotta call mizmo on the carpet yet again then. [15:22] OMZG STICKERZ!!!!!1!!! [15:22] stickster, OMGZ!!!11 [15:22] stickster, yeh so ive been a bad girl here [15:22] stickster, um gdk met someone at oscon who does stickers and who is also a fedora fan [15:23] i emailed him last week for quotes, he said he'd look into it but hasn't gotten back to me yet so ill send him a reminder today [15:23] zomg [15:23] :D [15:23] OK, fair enough. I hadn't seen the new, better-for-diecutting version yet [15:23] *very* nice! [15:23] only nitpicky thing i say: why are there colons after "write your own"? [15:24] *** adrianalves is now known as adrianalves|away. [15:24] ianweller: Better digestion? [15:24] * ianweller sticks one of the blank stickers on stickster's forehead and writes "better digestion" in the bubble [15:25] :) [15:25] :P [15:25] but seriousl. [15:25] seriously* [15:25] Looks like an easy enough fix in inkscape [15:25] <-- mthompson has left this server ("l8r"). [15:27] OK, without JonRob that's really the end of the priority 1 tasks. [15:27] tw2113: Since you're here, want to talk about the first task on the priority 2 list? [15:27] ack, not sure what it is [15:27] stickster, I have few input for Fedora TV [15:27] link plz [15:27] tw2113, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:27] tw2113: See the task list --> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks#Active_.28Assigned.29_Tasks [15:28] Oh, thanks kushal :-) [15:28] :) [15:28] kushal: In the meantime, yes, please talk about Fedora TV. [15:28] write your own: [15:28] i dont see anything wrong with that? [15:28] its indicating, below is where u write your own no? [15:28] I am out of ideas for screencasts [15:28] mizmo: it might be firefox's rendering. i see "write your own:" *under* the sticker [15:29] the one in wiki page, i don't know them properly so can not work on them [15:29] ianweller, oh weird [15:29] i must chime in that i've been a bad boy and haven't touched the topic in a long time [15:29] ianweller: No, it's there in the source afaict [15:29] mizmo: I just moved them up, I can send you the SVG. [15:29] ianweller, yeh firefox might be funkifying the vertical alignment if u are looking at the svg [15:29] or maybe i screwed it up! not sure [15:29] today created few on python, how to copy files to fedorapeople.org account [15:29] mizmo: if it's above the sticker then it's cool. [15:29] yeh i was thinking they were above [15:29] i agree if they below we should take : out [15:29] or move them up [15:29] ok. [15:30] if we need to push the istanbul video topic more, it might be best to give it to someone else. I'm just dropping the ball here [15:30] So, I need to application list people want to see in the videos or workflow [15:30] like how to create a patch may be [15:30] tw2113: Is it a lack of time thing, or a lack of interest thing? [15:30] a bit of both [15:31] I also started a series on PyQt4 programming [15:31] i'm juggling my fair amount of balls over here plus a bit of lack of interest [15:31] tw2113, do you have ideas ? [15:31] kushal: Do you think you might be working toward an overall "How to Maintain a Package" video set? [15:31] no i don't sadly [15:32] stickster, ok, next task in pool :) [15:32] tw2113, ok [15:32] kushal: That was more of a question :-) [15:32] stickster, like for Fedora packaging ? [15:32] kushal: Is that your goal? [15:32] stickster, oh, :p [15:32] stickster, goal ,means ? [15:32] for what ? [15:32] kushal: Something you're trying to achieve with your videos [15:33] stickster, I goal is simple .... [15:33] people do not get chance to meet people in real life to learn from them, only option is irc and RTFM [15:33] kushal: Oh yes, I understand why we create the videos :-) [15:33] if they can see on videos how to do things, it becomes very easy [15:33] kushal: I didn't do a very good job of explaining myself. [15:34] kushal: Let me try again :-) [15:34] ok [15:34] I was thinking that, since you're creating lots of videos, and they seem to be about some development topics... [15:34] ...and... [15:34] ...because you maintain some packages... [15:34] ...the larger theme of "How to Maintain a Package" might be interesting to you, as a video-maker. [15:34] yes, of course :) [15:35] In other words, a series, one at a time, showing the essential skills [15:35] (or more than one at a time if you like) :-) [15:35] plus I want to do more for simple users [15:35] but as I don't know most of the user tools or options, that is difficult for me :P [15:35] tw2113: Is there a marketing task that *does* grab you by the lapels, which wouldn't take much of your time to achieve? [15:36] we're hoping to have my fedora tools ready for f10 that are focused on package maintainers [15:36] tw2113: Ooo. I have an idea. [15:36] so the process might be changing (for the better) as soon as f10 [15:36] <-- bpepple|lt has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). [15:36] hit me [15:36] (something to keep in mind for that video) [15:36] mizmo: Oh, that's true. [15:36] mizmo, oh, ok [15:36] So if kushal creates a lot of videos, they might all change :-\ [15:36] s/change/need to change/ [15:36] That would be silly [15:36] tw2113: Are you a CSS guy? [15:36] stickster, then I will work on that after f10 :) [15:37] i like to believe so, and have studied it in college [15:37] :) [15:37] kushal: Whatever happens, make yourself happy doing videos, first and foremost :-0 [15:37] :-) [15:37] stickster, that I am :) [15:37] tw2113: How would you like to fix the docs.fp.o CSS? [15:37] tw2113: 'Coz we need it badly. [15:38] fancy it up and make it smashing? [15:38] tw2113: Take a look at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ [15:38] 2002 called, and they want their styles back. [15:38] *that* is a domain that needs love. [15:38] stickster, btw, I am uploading my ogg files to fedorapeople account [15:38] tw2113: Now compare that to http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ [15:38] soon I will be out of space [15:38] tw2113: Which uses the newer, canonical styles. [15:38] kushal: We can get you more, just ask in #fedora-admin [15:38] kushal: And let them know I sent you ;-) [15:38] stickster, then I will use my own space for both flvs and ogg [15:39] stickster, oh, ok [15:39] tw2113: So the objective is to match the docs.fp.o site to the newer official Fedora styling. [15:39] stickster, my idea of keeping flvs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:39] that we *support* ogg [15:39] sounds like parts of that would be just copying new into old [15:39] kushal: Hm, let me think on that. [15:39] eh [15:39] tw2113: Possibly. [15:40] s/flv/ogg [15:40] tw2113: The rub is, we need someone to *do* it who knows what he's doing :-) [15:40] stickster, my idea of keeping oggs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:40] yeah [15:40] mizmo: That's the official styling, yes? [15:40] sure, i'll take on that task [15:40] mizmo: e.g. what's on http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ ? [15:40] * stickster almost 100% sure of that, but JIC... [15:40] tw2113: Awesome. [15:41] tw2113: How long do you think you need for that? [15:41] how about we agree that i'll get on it asap [15:41] tw2113: Do you want to try for next week, then? [15:42] tw2113: Or does two weeks sound better for your schedule/time constraints? [15:42] Or...? [15:42] it'll be my first official chance to push stuff live for Fedora, so i'd need a bit of help figuring out how to download the uptodate files and then pushing live etc [15:42] yeah, lets aim for 2 week [15:42] ianweller may be able to help you with that [15:42] i'm sure i could find some help easy [15:42] ianweller: Can I call on you for help in that regard? [15:42] ugh. [15:42] That was the crappiest sentence ever. [15:42] * ianweller yells at the government for making him go to school [15:42] ianweller: Will you help with that? [15:43] stickster: possibly. [15:43] ianweller, lol [15:43] i just have to work around a schedule that isn't the same every week [15:43] tw2113: In fact, quaid or I may be able to help with that. [15:43] i have to work around school, and homework, and ughhhhhh [15:43] The changes are made to a site to which we have access [15:43] ianweller: no problem [15:43] i'll do what i can. [15:43] i can pester ricky for some help too if i need to [15:44] * ianweller wishes summer lasted 11 months [15:44] tw2113: OK, I'll put in a 2-week status call [15:44] k [15:44] Cool! [15:44] Well, that's it for the agenda. [15:44] Open floor! [15:44] oh goody, my computer's keyboard and mouse just locked up again [15:44] * stickster sure if gregdek were here, he'd have something sage to say, but I'm spent for the day. [15:44] who ordered the 15 pizzas? [15:45] * stickster edits Tasks page while others talk about marketing stuff (hopefully) [15:45] stickster: what's the status of trademark guidelines for business cards? [15:45] ianweller: Actually, we discussed that at the Board meeting this week [15:45] i saw that in the notes, that's why i ask :P [15:45] ah [15:45] Well, what we were thinking is that we *want* everyone to use the standard cards [15:45] *and* [15:46] We would like people to include on the cards something that indicates how they can be "found" on our system, so recipients can verify the person is in Fedora [15:46] i wonder if there's a command line tool i can use to get my keyboard and mouse unfrozen. [15:46] ianweller: yum install unbreakmydevices [15:46] stickster: i wish! [15:47] Then you SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!!! [15:47] just throw them out the window ianweller [15:47] the higher up you are, the better [15:47] i know it's not a hardware problem [15:47] it's a fedora problem. [15:47] and that's what makes me mad [15:47] ianweller, same here [15:47] * ianweller sshes in and init 3;init 5 [15:47] OK, are we done with marketing then? [15:47] my personal lappy gets in same condition any time [15:47] stickster, seems so :) [15:48] 5 [15:48] 4 [15:48] --> jesolato has joined this channel (i=jesolato at 64-238-187-68.cty.apt.gru.net). [15:48] 3 [15:48] 2 [15:48] 1 [15:48] > From david at gnsa.us Thu Aug 7 22:24:29 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:24:29 -0400 Subject: Meeting Summary 2008-08-07 Message-ID: Attendees Paul Frields (stickster) led the meeting and the following attended: * ke4qqq, David Nalley * ianweller, Ian Weller * mizmo, Mairin Duffy * rharrison, Russell Harrison * kushal, Kushal Das * ria, Ria Das * tw2113, Michael Beckwith * mether, Rahul Sundaram Meeting Summary * David Nalley stated that he was a few days behind schedule with the next installment of blog posts on the Four Foundations, but that it should be out by Friday. * Mairin Duffy indicated that a rough mock up of the drawing idea had been done for the new steamboat-themed Four Foundations posters, but that work still remained to 'graphic-ify' the images. * Rahul Sundaram indicated that he had not heard from Jon Roberts regarding reusing overview and release summary. * Mairin Duffy provided an update on stickers. Essentially a single quote is still outstanding and an email reminder would be sent. * On the instanbul videos front, Michael Beckwith stepped back from leading that effort due to time and interest constraints. Kushal Das announced that he was working on a PyQt4 series of videos and might explore 'Maintaining a Package' as his next series. * Michael Beckwith said he'd look at the possibility of working on docs.fp.o CSS. See summary and log here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_2008-08-07 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 8 00:04:49 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:34:49 +0530 Subject: LinuxWorld Video: Karsten Wade on Fedora Message-ID: <489B8DA1.5000902@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linuxworld_video_karsten_wade_on_fedora "Fedora Community Manager Karsten Wade describes the highlights of the past year and gazes into the future of the Fedora Project" Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Aug 8 00:35:38 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:35:38 -0400 Subject: LinuxWorld Video: Karsten Wade on Fedora In-Reply-To: <489B8DA1.5000902@fedoraproject.org> References: <489B8DA1.5000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1218155738.489b94da49b7c@ssl.mecca.ca> That reminds me how long I haven't seen my fellow Fedora friends since the two previous LinuxWorld. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 8 05:20:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:50:58 +0530 Subject: Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts Message-ID: <489BD7BA.4040105@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/07/comedy-on-art-and-specifically-fedora-art-concepts/ " It is interesting to look at the differences in the styles of different distributions. This is often best represented in looking at the art proposals for upcoming versions of various distributions. For example, a typical theme proposal for Fedora looks something like this: ?I was laying in my hammock one night gazing up at the infinite stars when suddenly an idea occurred to me. Gazing out at the vastness of the stars, it seemed to be that those stars perfectly represented Fedora, since Fedora 9 was called ?Sulfur? and there has got to be some sulfur out there somewhere.? A typical Ubuntu art submission, on the other hand, looks more like this: ?ubuntu rulz!!! see my awesum desktop: ubuntu should totally look like dis? Rahul From mstrawder at live.com Fri Aug 8 05:49:40 2008 From: mstrawder at live.com (Matt Strawder) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:49:40 -0400 Subject: Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts In-Reply-To: <489BD7BA.4040105@fedoraproject.org> References: <489BD7BA.4040105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I very much enjoy the concept and look of Solar. And the look of it looks very nice. I hope Fedora 10 looks as amazing as the concepts. [Matt]^_^ > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:50:58 +0530 > From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts > > Hi > > http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/07/comedy-on-art-and-specifically-fedora-art-concepts/ > > " > It is interesting to look at the differences in the styles of different > distributions. This is often best represented in looking at the art > proposals for upcoming versions of various distributions. For example, a > typical theme proposal for Fedora looks something like this: > > ?I was laying in my hammock one night gazing up at the infinite > stars when suddenly an idea occurred to me. Gazing out at the vastness > of the stars, it seemed to be that those stars perfectly represented > Fedora, since Fedora 9 was called ?Sulfur? and there has got to be some > sulfur out there somewhere.? > > A typical Ubuntu art submission, on the other hand, looks more like this: > > ?ubuntu rulz!!! see my awesum desktop: ubuntu should totally look > like dis? > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstrawder at live.com Fri Aug 8 05:50:03 2008 From: mstrawder at live.com (Matt Strawder) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:50:03 -0400 Subject: Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts In-Reply-To: <489BD7BA.4040105@fedoraproject.org> References: <489BD7BA.4040105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I very much enjoy the concept and look of Solar. And the look of it looks very nice. I hope Fedora 10 looks as amazing as the concepts. [Matt]^_^ > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:50:58 +0530 > From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts > > Hi > > http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/07/comedy-on-art-and-specifically-fedora-art-concepts/ > > " > It is interesting to look at the differences in the styles of different > distributions. This is often best represented in looking at the art > proposals for upcoming versions of various distributions. For example, a > typical theme proposal for Fedora looks something like this: > > ?I was laying in my hammock one night gazing up at the infinite > stars when suddenly an idea occurred to me. Gazing out at the vastness > of the stars, it seemed to be that those stars perfectly represented > Fedora, since Fedora 9 was called ?Sulfur? and there has got to be some > sulfur out there somewhere.? > > A typical Ubuntu art submission, on the other hand, looks more like this: > > ?ubuntu rulz!!! see my awesum desktop: ubuntu should totally look > like dis? > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What my objective is that i will be > recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from the valuable > inputs which i have gotten from all: > 1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to upgrade > the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only solve the > problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable to windows > update. > For fedora update in our case we did local yum repo. mirror, because in my case the clients were on Intranet, so we made our own mirror, second you have to check whether there are some devices/equipment that is attached to clients, e.g. Camra/Scaner/Printer etc...although installing most of them are not an issue for fedora, but still you have to check whether they are compatible with Fedora? > > 2.I am also keeping in mind while recommending i will be getting support > from my friends who will take care for the training session of fedora they > will take 1 month training for them so that they are easily comfortable to > use fedora. > Training is nice idea, but before training you have to check it out...what level of end user you got there...e.g. they only use browser + Office etc... or they are involved in more intense work...later you can plan a targetted training.... > > 3. Regarding server room i would recommend RHEL. > check out their budget...in my case i would even suggest them CentOS... ;) > > > Kindly guide me further so that I can make good strategy for marketing > from all the valuable inputs which I would be getting . > It would be better if you make a list of their need "what they are doing on windows" & then make a list of replacement you have in fedora/linux....later when you give them presentation you can easily get them.... > > Regards > Vidur Mittal > > 2008/8/7 Nayyar Ahmad : > >> >> >> 2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal >> >>> HI, >>> >>> I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I >>> am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come >>> forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include >>> in presentation are as follows: >>> >> >> I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i >> was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with >> fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was >> Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or other >> enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life >> cycle. >> >> you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are >> proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs >> they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them >> use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room". >> >> moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as >> database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines >> ? >> >> PS: i do not want to discourage you, but you have to be honest before >> recommending something. >> >> >>> >>> 1. Objective >>> 2. Benefits >>> 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux >>> 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix >>> 5.Why use fedora >>> 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project >>> 7.Help and support of fedora. >>> >>> Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can >>> complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the >>> point for the presentation. >>> Thanks in advance >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nayyar Ahmad >> RHCE (ID:804006858622745) >> Skype: nayyares >> Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am > trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come > forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include > in presentation are as follows: > > 1. Objective > 2. Benefits > 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux > 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix > 5.Why use fedora > 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project > 7.Help and support of fedora. > > Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can > complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the > point for the presentation. > Thanks in advance > -- > With Best Regards > Vidur Mittal > Meerut > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Regards Sriram :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am willing to > help tracking down as many videos I can and post them to the wiki. > > -- > Christos Bacharakis > cmpahar at fedoraproject.org > http://cmpahar.wordpress.com > GPG Key: CCFA0AEB > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmpahar at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 09:00:28 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:00:28 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/8 Naresh KN > I agree!! It would be great to have video presentations about Fedora!! > > 2008/8/8 Christos Bacharakis > >> Hello guys, I am planning to give a presentation at my University, >> presenting Fedora and except a "boring" slide presentation I want to use one >> or some videos. I've searched at the wiki but I couldn't find a page with >> Videos about Fedora. I mean, it would be great to have a page with all >> videos about/from Fedora just like premade presentations. I am willing to >> help tracking down as many videos I can and post them to the wiki. >> >> -- >> Christos Bacharakis >> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Not only Video presentations but Fedora promoting videos too. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am willing to >>> help tracking down as many videos I can and post them to the wiki. >>> >>> -- >>> Christos Bacharakis >>> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >>> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >>> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > Not only Video presentations but Fedora promoting videos too. > > -- > Christos Bacharakis > cmpahar at fedoraproject.org > http://cmpahar.wordpress.com > GPG Key: CCFA0AEB > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eerpini at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 10:19:38 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:49:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> yeh , anything anywhere near "truth happens" would just be awesome , ...... i have seen it and presented it for almost every workshop given by the LUG, Vit , ..... but i can watch it again and again !! Thanks Satish 2008/8/8 Naresh KN > Something like the *TRUTH HAPPENS* promo from Redhat! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go25ri20fVM > > > 2008/8/8 Christos Bacharakis > >> >> >> 2008/8/8 Naresh KN >> >>> I agree!! It would be great to have video presentations about Fedora!! >>> >>> 2008/8/8 Christos Bacharakis >>> >>>> Hello guys, I am planning to give a presentation at my University, >>>> presenting Fedora and except a "boring" slide presentation I want to use one >>>> or some videos. I've searched at the wiki but I couldn't find a page with >>>> Videos about Fedora. I mean, it would be great to have a page with all >>>> videos about/from Fedora just like premade presentations. I am willing to >>>> help tracking down as many videos I can and post them to the wiki. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christos Bacharakis >>>> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >>>> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >>>> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> Not only Video presentations but Fedora promoting videos too. >> >> -- >> Christos Bacharakis >> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe write a script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some editing with video software... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:33:29 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:33:29 -0800 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a video > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like us.... > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe write a > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some editing > with video software... I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of partnership evolve such that community produced material was incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. But that's just me talking. And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. -jef From luca at foppiano.org Sun Aug 10 07:40:51 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:40:51 +0200 Subject: [Linux Day Italy] Fedora Distribution Kit Message-ID: <1218354051.3370.70.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi all, I'm Luca and, with other Italian ambassadors I'm organizing Linux Day 2008 (planned on October 25th). A more detailed description can be founded here [1][2]. Italian Linux day is distributed and a more bit complicated than centalized events like, for example, Linux Tag. We wish to deliver to every events (but we most probably reduce it on a subset due to budget and interest) a box that contains all necessary to build a fedora USB station (It's like Ikea [4] furniture). We need to decide a nice name for the box, right now the proposal are: * fedora starter kit * fedora distribution kit * fedora usb kit which name do you prefer? if you have another ideas about it, just write it ;-) We need also artworks; I spoke with Samuele Storari about it and he was very enthusiast ;-) I also made a request here [3] which i composed by: * box artwork: a small sticker, which will be attached on container box (probably we need a new logo, or something can remember people this product) * DVD artwork (same of above) * Fedora 10 USB kit artwork (which will similar to fedora 9 arwork but with new fedora theme, when will be ready ;-)) I haven't any idea about what we can represent on artworks. I hope you can help us. Thanks in advance for all feedback Luca [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxDay/LinuxDay2008 [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_USB_Distribution_KIT [4] http://www.ikea.com/ -- Today is Boomtime, the 3rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 10 11:26:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:56:24 +0530 Subject: Why Microsoft and Intel tried to kill the XO $100 laptop Message-ID: <489ED060.6040300@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4472654.ece "Negroponte had also hooked a spectacular range of backers: Red Hat, Google, AMD, Brightstar and News Corporation (the parent company of The Sunday Times). These each contributed $2m upfront and then a further $500,000. All the companies put in money as sponsorship rather than investment" "Microsoft may have used words and a refusal to co-operate as its weapons against the XO; Intel used brute force. The company dominates global computer hardware in the way that Microsoft dominates the software. And, like Microsoft, it is a fierce protector of its ascendancy. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 10 11:36:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:06:28 +0530 Subject: Linux patent pool to push for 'defensive publication' Message-ID: <489ED2BC.20007@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/080808-linux-patent-pool-to-push.html "The more we can mobilize this community, the fewer patents that will actually be granted," said Keith Bergelt, who recently became CEO of the Open Invention Network. "Whatever happens in the patent reform world in the next [U.S.] administration is great, but we have to act now to stop the granting of patents that threaten Linux and open-source in general." Rahul From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 14:49:29 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:49:29 -0600 Subject: [Linux Day Italy] Fedora Distribution Kit In-Reply-To: <1218354051.3370.70.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1218354051.3370.70.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Luca Foppiano wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Luca and, with other Italian ambassadors I'm organizing Linux Day > 2008 (planned on October 25th). A more detailed description can be > founded here [1][2]. > > Italian Linux day is distributed and a more bit complicated than > centalized events like, for example, Linux Tag. > We wish to deliver to every events (but we most probably reduce it on a > subset due to budget and interest) a box that contains all necessary to > build a fedora USB station (It's like Ikea [4] furniture). > > We need to decide a nice name for the box, right now the proposal are: > * fedora starter kit > * fedora distribution kit > * fedora usb kit > > which name do you prefer? if you have another ideas about it, just write > it ;-) > > We need also artworks; I spoke with Samuele Storari about it and he was > very enthusiast ;-) > > I also made a request here [3] which i composed by: > * box artwork: a small sticker, which will be attached on container box > (probably we need a new logo, or something can remember people this > product) > * DVD artwork (same of above) > * Fedora 10 USB kit artwork (which will similar to fedora 9 arwork but > with new fedora theme, when will be ready ;-)) > > I haven't any idea about what we can represent on artworks. > > I hope you can help us. > > Thanks in advance for all feedback > Luca > > [1] > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.html > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxDay/LinuxDay2008 > [3] > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_USB_Distribution_KIT > [4] http://www.ikea.com/ > -- > Today is Boomtime, the 3rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 > > If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Luca, I think your idea is along the same lines of an idea I submitted last week. I think this idea is great! https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-August/msg00103.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#AmbassadorKit_Box We called it the AmbassadorKit and even have a page dedicated to the AmbassadorKit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorKit (soon) I think it would be advantageous for us to work together on this as we seem to have similar goals. In other words, I'd like to start an open discussion about how to get an AmbassadorKit with the items you suggest in place by F10. Cheers, Clint From nareshlx at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 10 14:58:48 2008 From: nareshlx at fedoraproject.org (Naresh KN) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:28:48 +0530 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any thoughts?? -Naresh On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei > wrote: > > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a video > > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like > us.... > > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe write > a > > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some editing > > with video software... > > I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of > the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There > are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. > As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we > aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is > something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video > gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. > > If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our > community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of > partnership evolve such that community produced material was > incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on > how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. > But that's just me talking. > > And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have > said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence > leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process > up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the > quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above > what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and > gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would > taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our > collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the > in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this > toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by > setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set > of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it > could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high > production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we > know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at foppiano.org Sun Aug 10 19:46:58 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:46:58 +0200 Subject: [Linux Day Italy] Fedora Distribution Kit In-Reply-To: References: <1218354051.3370.70.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1218397618.3512.12.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 08:49 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > I think your idea is along the same lines of an idea I submitted last > week. I think this idea is great! > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-August/msg00103.html > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#AmbassadorKit_Box > > We called it the AmbassadorKit and even have a page dedicated to the > AmbassadorKit > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorKit (soon) > > I think it would be advantageous for us to work together on this as we > seem to have similar goals. In other words, I'd like to start an open > discussion about how to get an AmbassadorKit with the items you > suggest in place by F10. sorry, I see your mail right now, but for me is ok too to proceed together ;-) Do you prefer to discuss here or through irc? Luca -- Today is Boomtime, the 3rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 Tonight you will pay the wages of sin; Don't forget to leave a tip. From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 03:04:50 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:04:50 -0700 Subject: FOSSCON in San Diego, California Message-ID: <7a0d56080808102004o59820be2iafc23cca5d1b3b2a@mail.gmail.com> Is Fedora going to be at this event? If so, I can probably staff a booth there. http://fosscon.org/ Larry Cafiero http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero From cmpahar at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 18:57:35 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:57:35 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/10 Naresh KN > I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. > Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any > thoughts?? > > -Naresh > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei >> wrote: >> > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a video >> > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like >> us.... >> > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe >> write a >> > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some editing >> > with video software... >> >> I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of >> the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There >> are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. >> As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we >> aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is >> something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video >> gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. >> >> If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our >> community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of >> partnership evolve such that community produced material was >> incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on >> how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. >> But that's just me talking. >> >> And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have >> said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence >> leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process >> up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the >> quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above >> what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and >> gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would >> taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our >> collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the >> in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this >> toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by >> setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set >> of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it >> could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high >> production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we >> know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. >> >> -jef >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Sorry for being late to answer, I had some health problems. I suggest to try finding as many videos about fedora (promoting videos, presentation videos, how-to videos) and post them at the wiki under the following address http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/videos . Although I don't know if we have to host them in fedoraproject or we can simply post the link (for example from youtube) to the wiki. Waiting for feedback. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nareshlx at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 11 21:33:30 2008 From: nareshlx at fedoraproject.org (Naresh KN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:03:30 +0530 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d9e71570808111433j4889bab9hbdc7c420a7648067@mail.gmail.com> Hope you are doing good now Chris. Finding How-To videos and presentation shouldn't be a problem, but we should be more focusing on how do we get the promo videos made for Fedora. Coming with a creative concept, story board, script, finding the right tools and expertise to make it happen!! :) 2008/8/12 Christos Bacharakis > > > 2008/8/10 Naresh KN > > I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. >> Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any >> thoughts?? >> >> -Naresh >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei >>> wrote: >>> > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a >>> video >>> > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like >>> us.... >>> > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe >>> write a >>> > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some >>> editing >>> > with video software... >>> >>> I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of >>> the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There >>> are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. >>> As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we >>> aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is >>> something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video >>> gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. >>> >>> If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our >>> community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of >>> partnership evolve such that community produced material was >>> incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on >>> how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. >>> But that's just me talking. >>> >>> And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have >>> said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence >>> leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process >>> up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the >>> quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above >>> what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and >>> gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would >>> taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our >>> collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the >>> in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this >>> toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by >>> setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set >>> of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it >>> could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high >>> production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we >>> know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. >>> >>> -jef >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > Sorry for being late to answer, I had some health problems. I suggest to > try finding as many videos about fedora (promoting videos, presentation > videos, how-to videos) and post them at the wiki under the following address > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/videos . Although I don't know if we > have to host them in fedoraproject or we can simply post the link (for > example from youtube) to the wiki. Waiting for feedback. > > -- > Christos Bacharakis > cmpahar at fedoraproject.org > http://cmpahar.wordpress.com > GPG Key: CCFA0AEB > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmpahar at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 22:03:07 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:03:07 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570808111433j4889bab9hbdc7c420a7648067@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808111433j4889bab9hbdc7c420a7648067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/12 Naresh KN > Hope you are doing good now Chris. Finding How-To videos and presentation > shouldn't be a problem, but we should be more focusing on how do we get the > promo videos made for Fedora. Coming with a creative concept, story board, > script, finding the right tools and expertise to make it happen!! :) > > 2008/8/12 Christos Bacharakis > > >> >> 2008/8/10 Naresh KN >> >> I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. >>> Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any >>> thoughts?? >>> >>> -Naresh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei >>>> wrote: >>>> > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a >>>> video >>>> > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like >>>> us.... >>>> > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe >>>> write a >>>> > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some >>>> editing >>>> > with video software... >>>> >>>> I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of >>>> the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There >>>> are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. >>>> As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we >>>> aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is >>>> something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video >>>> gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. >>>> >>>> If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our >>>> community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of >>>> partnership evolve such that community produced material was >>>> incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on >>>> how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. >>>> But that's just me talking. >>>> >>>> And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have >>>> said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence >>>> leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process >>>> up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the >>>> quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above >>>> what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and >>>> gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would >>>> taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our >>>> collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the >>>> in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this >>>> toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by >>>> setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set >>>> of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it >>>> could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high >>>> production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we >>>> know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. >>>> >>>> -jef >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> Sorry for being late to answer, I had some health problems. I suggest to >> try finding as many videos about fedora (promoting videos, presentation >> videos, how-to videos) and post them at the wiki under the following address >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/videos . Although I don't know if we >> have to host them in fedoraproject or we can simply post the link (for >> example from youtube) to the wiki. Waiting for feedback. >> >> -- >> Christos Bacharakis >> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I am just fine Naresh, thank you for your concern. I think we have to talk with Artwork. Maybe they can help us out. I am not familiar creating videos but I have some ideas. One scenario is to make sort clips with random pictures perhaps from fedora events all over the world and in the end a good moto (I think this is good for promoting ambassadors project). An another scenario is to build a video like RH's "Truth Happens" with a sort story (pictures, sound, subtitles) in different languages showing why fedoraproject is so cool, strong and free. Of course we can make something like a documentary about fedoraproject (the operating system or the people or the mechanisms or these combined all together). I suppose I can work and make happen the first scenario but I warn you It will be my first time trying to create a video. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmpahar at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 22:04:09 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:04:09 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570808111433j4889bab9hbdc7c420a7648067@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808100758r579bb858u8294e93ae55a8bd9@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808111433j4889bab9hbdc7c420a7648067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/12 Naresh KN > Hope you are doing good now Chris. Finding How-To videos and presentation > shouldn't be a problem, but we should be more focusing on how do we get the > promo videos made for Fedora. Coming with a creative concept, story board, > script, finding the right tools and expertise to make it happen!! :) > > 2008/8/12 Christos Bacharakis > > >> >> 2008/8/10 Naresh KN >> >> I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. >>> Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any >>> thoughts?? >>> >>> -Naresh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei >>>> wrote: >>>> > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a >>>> video >>>> > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like >>>> us.... >>>> > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe >>>> write a >>>> > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some >>>> editing >>>> > with video software... >>>> >>>> I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of >>>> the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There >>>> are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. >>>> As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we >>>> aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is >>>> something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video >>>> gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. >>>> >>>> If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our >>>> community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of >>>> partnership evolve such that community produced material was >>>> incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on >>>> how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. >>>> But that's just me talking. >>>> >>>> And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have >>>> said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence >>>> leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process >>>> up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the >>>> quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above >>>> what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and >>>> gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would >>>> taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our >>>> collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the >>>> in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this >>>> toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by >>>> setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set >>>> of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it >>>> could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high >>>> production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we >>>> know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. >>>> >>>> -jef >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> Sorry for being late to answer, I had some health problems. I suggest to >> try finding as many videos about fedora (promoting videos, presentation >> videos, how-to videos) and post them at the wiki under the following address >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/videos . Although I don't know if we >> have to host them in fedoraproject or we can simply post the link (for >> example from youtube) to the wiki. Waiting for feedback. >> >> -- >> Christos Bacharakis >> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I am just fine Naresh, thank you for your concern. I think we have to talk with Artwork. Maybe they can help us out. I am not familiar creating videos but I have some ideas. One scenario is to make sort clips with random pictures perhaps from fedora events all over the world and in the end a good moto (I think this is good for promoting ambassadors project). An another scenario is to build a video like RH's "Truth Happens" with a sort story (pictures, sound, subtitles) in different languages showing why fedoraproject is so cool, strong and free. Of course we can make something like a documentary about fedoraproject (the operating system or the people or the mechanisms or these combined all together). I suppose I can work and make happen the first scenario but I warn you It will be my first time trying to create a video. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Coming with a creative concept, story board, > script, finding the right tools and expertise to make it happen!! :) > > 2008/8/12 Christos Bacharakis > > >> >> 2008/8/10 Naresh KN >> >> I agree. I foresee this to be a great way to promote Fedora to the mass. >>> Lets give a heads up to this initiative. How do we kick start? Any >>> thoughts?? >>> >>> -Naresh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei >>>> wrote: >>>> > I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a >>>> video >>>> > should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like >>>> us.... >>>> > So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe >>>> write a >>>> > script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some >>>> editing >>>> > with video software... >>>> >>>> I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of >>>> the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There >>>> are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. >>>> As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we >>>> aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is >>>> something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video >>>> gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. >>>> >>>> If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our >>>> community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of >>>> partnership evolve such that community produced material was >>>> incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on >>>> how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. >>>> But that's just me talking. >>>> >>>> And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have >>>> said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence >>>> leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process >>>> up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the >>>> quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above >>>> what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and >>>> gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would >>>> taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our >>>> collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the >>>> in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this >>>> toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by >>>> setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set >>>> of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it >>>> could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high >>>> production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we >>>> know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. >>>> >>>> -jef >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> Sorry for being late to answer, I had some health problems. I suggest to >> try finding as many videos about fedora (promoting videos, presentation >> videos, how-to videos) and post them at the wiki under the following address >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/videos . Although I don't know if we >> have to host them in fedoraproject or we can simply post the link (for >> example from youtube) to the wiki. Waiting for feedback. >> >> -- >> Christos Bacharakis >> cmpahar at fedoraproject.org >> http://cmpahar.wordpress.com >> GPG Key: CCFA0AEB >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > A server problem according to google made this mess with my double mails. Sorry folks. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am > not familiar creating videos but I have some ideas. > One scenario is to make sort clips with random pictures perhaps from > fedora events all over the world and in the end a good moto (I think > this is good for promoting ambassadors project). I guess you want something like this: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html > An another scenario is to build a video like RH's "Truth Happens" with a > sort story (pictures, sound, subtitles) in different languages showing > why fedoraproject is so cool, strong and free. > Of course we can make something like a documentary about fedoraproject > (the operating system or the people or the mechanisms or these combined > all together). Those may be a little bit too pricey. > I suppose I can work and make happen the first scenario but I warn you > It will be my first time trying to create a video. Sure, no problem with that. Use the link above (and the comments) for some good pointers. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 12 16:17:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:17:16 -0700 Subject: LinuxWorld Video: Karsten Wade on Fedora In-Reply-To: <489B8DA1.5000902@fedoraproject.org> References: <489B8DA1.5000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1218557836.18668.52.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 05:34 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linuxworld_video_karsten_wade_on_fedora > > "Fedora Community Manager Karsten Wade describes the highlights of the > past year and gazes into the future of the Fedora Project" I did a write up on this: http://iquaid.org/2008/08/11/a-matter-of-community-evolution-reflections-on-interviews-from-linuxworld/ -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Things are working almost perfectly. >>> >>> I have it working as a LiveCD right now. >>> >>> Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Clint >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> Great script! > > Thanks Valent, I just wish I had a hundred hours in each day so I > could finish stuff like that as I still feel like its not done... > > This is encouraging though, and I have already made improvements on it > since I uploaded. I will probably work to submit it to the spins git > repository now so that others can help. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I'm listening now to Linux Link Tech Show episode 257 [1] and around 28 minutes they start raving about Ubuntu eee version - eeebuntu the special "Netbook Remix". They loved it. You can see it in action on youtube [2]. What is your oppinion about it? Cheers, Valent. [1] http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_257-08-06-08.ogg or http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_257-08-06-08.mp3 [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD9vfu5nSe -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From omen at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 13 08:12:18 2008 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (Saadaldine AlSaidi) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:12:18 +0300 Subject: IBM Teams with Linux Distros, Promises Windows-Free PC by 2009 Message-ID: <1ee8c4800808130112j730d6986q4d203453b84060e8@mail.gmail.com> I read this news, and I just wanted to ask where are we "As fedora" in this campaign, knowing that RedHat is also taking part. http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/njl/?p=237&nr=LOS -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 13 09:19:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:19:32 +0300 Subject: IBM Teams with Linux Distros, Promises Windows-Free PC by 2009 In-Reply-To: <48A298D7.8080101@fedoraproject.org> References: <1ee8c4800808130112j730d6986q4d203453b84060e8@mail.gmail.com> <48A298D7.8080101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48A2A724.3060506@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Saadaldine AlSaidi wrote: >> I read this news, and I just wanted to ask where are we "As fedora" in >> this campaign, knowing that RedHat is also taking part. >> >> http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/njl/?p=237&nr=LOS >> > > Fedora is not involved. IBM is bundling apps with commercially certified > distributions for OEM's. I expect that if/when packages will be provided for RHEL (free of charge, as I understand) there should be no big trouble installing them on Fedora if someone really wants that (not really needed, as a Fedora desktop has already Free counterparts). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gnomeuser at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 13:34:11 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:34:11 +0200 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300808130034o670e29e1l2f1cc5db472009e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300807290526s2e49e7fdlad9899e94852f96d@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300808130034o670e29e1l2f1cc5db472009e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0808130634y184c1bf2l26a3597ff24309a8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/13 Valent Turkovic > > > I'm listening now to Linux Link Tech Show episode 257 [1] and around > 28 minutes they start raving about Ubuntu eee version - eeebuntu the > special "Netbook Remix". They loved it. You can see it in action on > youtube [2]. > > What is your oppinion about it? > I think it suffers from the fundamental design of assuming that it is a good idea to near verbetum press the same OS experience into a 8.9" screen as I use on my 20,1" screen. On a netbook I want one app filling the entire screen as I use it, there shouldn't be windows to move around.. I mean why? 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The agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks See you all then. --g From choke at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 14:26:12 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:26:12 -0400 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> I think you understand that Fedora being a community distro such a video >> should come from the community, namely from you, me and others like us.... >> So if you want such a video, start working to make it happen: maybe write a >> script, maybe shoot some footage with your camera, maybe do some editing >> with video software... >> > > I think a 'truth happens' for Fedora coming out of the Red Hat side of > the fence would not be a bad thing as long as its done right. There > are video production experts over there, and they do have mad skillz. > As long as we are willing to accept that to make a video like that we > aren't going to be dog-fooding our our video tools. If this is > something 'we' want I'm sure there are ways of approaching the video > gurus inside the Red Hat fence line. > > If they were going to take on such a task at the behest of our > community marketing group, I would ideally like to see some sort of > partnership evolve such that community produced material was > incorporated but gave the video experts a lot of creative control on > how to use the material...including choice of digital tools to use. > But that's just me talking. > > And I should clarify since I know people lurk on this list, I have > said in the past that I don't want the Red Hat side of the fence > leading an effort to get a Fedora community video production process > up and running. I've said that primarily because I am afraid that the > quality of the work they typically do is orders of magnitude above > what we can do with in-distro tools and having them jump in early and > gifting us with very nice, well produced videos for us to use would > taint the discussion concerning our own toolset. Banging our > collective heads on creating screencasts and interviews using the > in-distro tools is an important part of a community push to move this > toolspace forward and I didn't want to see that short-circuited by > setting the bar on video quality for the community too high with a set > of initial video drop. But we have a process in place now, and it > could be time to think about how we deal with the need for high > production quality videos meant for re-use as marketing pieces that we > know we don't have the toolset to build in-distro...yet. > > -jef > > Being one of the people that has been making the Fedora videos at Red Hat (there's only a handful of us), I wholly agree with Jeff on this. I guarantee that I will continue to make videos that highlight the features of Fedora and it's something I always fight for in my job. I totally understand what Jeff is saying by not wanting us to lead the charge on this. I think it's something that will need to come from the community and I'm working at doing stuff using OSS - it's just not where I need it to be for my daily job. But, I do think that the community can make videos as good as the ones we make at Red Hat and I'd be willing to give advice (I recently had a talk with Paul Frields about shooting video, though I didn't have as much time to help out as I would have liked) to anyone looking to start shooting. My one piece of advice for everyone here right now is: audio is king. Bad audio and no one will care about the video. I'm much more willing to watch anything if I can hear what's going on. Anyway, feel free to send me messages if you have questions - I'll try to answer them as quickly as possible. Oh, and film everything! You never know what you might catch at an event, speech, interview, or whatever you might be filming. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 16:48:18 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:48:18 -0800 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > I think it's something that will need to come from the community and I'm > working at doing stuff using OSS - it's just not where I need it to be for > my daily job. > I wonder, is there an appropriate developer's conference situation where we could make a short presentation about what people like you need in video production for 'daily job' activities in a way that inspired someone to take up the challenge and create the application? The real trick is finding those few key people who know enough about what you need, and have enough coding experience to put a functional application on the map in the space with just enough initial features to build a community around it that can add more features over time. Can we as a project organize a posh, snack laden, hack session at a conference to do this? Would developer attendees participate? Am I smoking crack? -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 14 17:13:12 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:13:12 -0400 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Colby Hoke > wrote: > > I think it's something that will need to come from the community and > I'm working at doing stuff using OSS - it's just not where I need it > to be for my daily job. > > > I wonder, is there an appropriate developer's conference situation where > we could make a short presentation about what people like you need in > video production for 'daily job' activities in a way that inspired > someone to take up the challenge and create the application? The real > trick is finding those few key people who know enough about what you > need, and have enough coding experience to put a functional application > on the map in the space with just enough initial features to build a > community around it that can add more features over time. > > Can we as a project organize a posh, snack laden, hack session at a > conference to do this? Would developer attendees participate? Am I > smoking crack? Strangely enough while normally I'd suggest LGM [1] for this, it seems they don't really cover the FOSS video editing tools. I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. ~m [1] http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:27:29 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:27:29 -0800 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910808141027v55fb0c1fn43ca5caa1a10bb70@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. > That would be a very small conference Is there a gstreamer specific conference? Because ultimately that's what we are talking about... building a gstreamer application that would compliment what pitivi is meant to be. -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because ultimately that's > what we are talking about... building a gstreamer application that would > compliment what pitivi is meant to be. A lot of Fluendo folks go to GUADEC, I wouldn't be the person to ask about a gstreamer specific conference though. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:39:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:39:38 -0800 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A46D54.7060202@fedoraproject.org> References: <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910808141027v55fb0c1fn43ca5caa1a10bb70@mail.gmail.com> <48A46D54.7060202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910808141039l7e6b9db4k32617ad7aa618063@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:37 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > LGM is pretty big, are you so sure it would be very small? I'm not even sure of my own existence. I would be very happy if there was a linux video tools conference and that its developer participants were not a small number. It would be a very interesting challenge to make the case to a large existing group for an editor application that met our technical and legal needs. I'd find a way to have Karsten, but wear my name tag and say everything I'd say..but friendly-like. -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From choke at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 18:41:29 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:41:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808141039l7e6b9db4k32617ad7aa618063@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910808141027v55fb0c1fn43ca5caa1a10bb70@mail.gmail.com> <48A46D54.7060202@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910808141039l7e6b9db4k32617ad7aa618063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A47C59.7060507@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:37 AM, M?ir?n Duffy > wrote: > > LGM is pretty big, are you so sure it would be very small? > > I'm not even sure of my own existence. > > I would be very happy if there was a linux video tools conference and > that its developer participants were not a small number. It would be > a very interesting challenge to make the case to a large existing > group for an editor application that met our technical and legal > needs. I'd find a way to have Karsten, but wear my name tag and say > everything I'd say..but friendly-like. > > -jef I'd love to talk to some people about what I, as an editor, absolutely need. A lot of it is some plain ol' UI design- things aren't intuitive and behave notsomuch like normal non-linear editors. For me, that's a huge bar to overcome and I've played a little with Cinelerra, the closest thing out there to an NLE, but damn if it didn't crash every chance it got. It needs someone to go over it and just fix things - then some people to tackle making it usable. The skeleton is there, but I can't trust it to do editing when I have deadlines. Also, some of the compositing stuff I need just isn't there for many tools. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:26:26 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:26:26 -0800 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A47C59.7060507@redhat.com> References: <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910808141027v55fb0c1fn43ca5caa1a10bb70@mail.gmail.com> <48A46D54.7060202@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910808141039l7e6b9db4k32617ad7aa618063@mail.gmail.com> <48A47C59.7060507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910808141326w3d4e4ce5tc314d127b9a3d1e5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > For me, that's a huge bar to overcome and I've played a little with > Cinelerra, the closest thing out there to an NLE, but damn if it didn't > crash every chance it got. > Sadly like nearly everything that has existed for a while in this space... Cinelerra makes direct use of ffmpeg...which presents immense difficulties for us as a project because of its lag of plugin support. Someone is going to have to appear and want to work with gst as a framework and make something new aimed at users like you. Something heftier than what piviti is meant to be.. for users like me. And it would be great if an editor aimed at you and an editor aimed at me, could share enough in common to make use of the same effects plugins and what not... and share some subset of them with something like cheese as well when it made sense. The question is, as a project, what can we do to encourage this work to be done... short of paying someone to actually do it. We need it, the community needs its, but how do we go about finding and grooming the contributors to do it. I don't know... I just don't know. -jef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since you are more or less using Fedora, you can use the official and Livna repositories to extend the functionality of the One quite easily." http://osnews.com/story/20176/Review_Acer_Aspire_One From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 15 06:11:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:11:54 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> References: <3d9e71570808080154xadbdb6fy67e2a5c9a20782f7@mail.gmail.com> <3d9e71570808080214j730885aehd259e1ba07344c59@mail.gmail.com> <93655eb70808080319n1a91643t43337f6a26e40df9@mail.gmail.com> <489C3D1C.6050101@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910808080933k1fb6ab80lf820f74453843f9b@mail.gmail.com> <48A44084.1080806@redhat.com> <604aa7910808140948j4e4778bcv93e2205fbe8bbd84@mail.gmail.com> <48A467A8.5060004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48A51E2A.2000504@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Strangely enough while normally I'd suggest LGM [1] for this, it seems > they don't really cover the FOSS video editing tools. That's because LGM started like this: "hey, instead ov having a yearly GIMP conference, let's meet with people from other projects too". And the number of participants increased year over year. I am quite positive that if video software developers would participate they will be received with open hands (and arguably, video editing has a foot in the door at LGM with Blender, which may be used for video). > I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From choke at redhat.com Fri Aug 15 14:41:04 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <48A51E2A.2000504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <451361068.3691431218811264281.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:11:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Fedora promoting videos M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Strangely enough while normally I'd suggest LGM [1] for this, it seems > they don't really cover the FOSS video editing tools. That's because LGM started like this: "hey, instead ov having a yearly GIMP conference, let's meet with people from other projects too". And the number of participants increased year over year. I am quite positive that if video software developers would participate they will be received with open hands (and arguably, video editing has a foot in the door at LGM with Blender, which may be used for video). > I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. You can edit in Blender...i f you're a masochist... ;) It's like saying that people can edit with AfterEffects, Motion, or Flame. You can... but you will hate your life. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Colby Alexander Hoke Producer, Brand Communications + Design Corporate Marketing From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 15 15:51:45 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:51:45 +0300 Subject: Fedora promoting videos In-Reply-To: <451361068.3691431218811264281.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <451361068.3691431218811264281.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48A5A611.9030509@nicubunu.ro> Colby Hoke wrote: > > You can edit in Blender...i f you're a masochist... ;) > > It's like saying that people can edit with AfterEffects, Motion, or Flame. Right, but you can *create* in Blender (Big Buck Bunny). And then combine the pieces with a proper video editor. It's like you create some drawing with Inkscape, prepare some photos with GIMP and put them together in a magazine layout with Scribus. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 18:08:15 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:08:15 -0700 Subject: teacher certification in ... free culture? Message-ID: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/08/going_google_talking_with_goog.html An interview with a New Jersey teacher who went to Google for a day to learn about bringing various modern social web tools in to the classroom. I can imagine how cool it was. Not being there, I have to presume the focus was on the well-integrated tools that Google offers and not, for example, on the open source software underneath them. From a perspective of bringing more open source to educators, what are equivalents that Fedora could be doing here? Oh, and, uh, for less cash outlay. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 19:08:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:38:53 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Takes Shape Message-ID: <48AB1A45.9050803@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3766271 "Red Hat's next-generation Linux distribution shows off some early new features as it preps for release." "Among the features currently being tested in Fedora 10 is a new network connection sharing feature. Frields said the feature would enable ad hoc networks, in which one user shares their live connection to the Internet with others. Frields said he tested the feature in a literal road test -- he was able to maintain a network connection while riding in a car, courtesy of the ad hoc network created by users in a second car, which had a broadband Wi-Fi connection. " Rahul From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 19 19:25:02 2008 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:25:02 -0400 Subject: teacher certification in ... free culture? In-Reply-To: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/08/going_google_talking_with_goog.html > > An interview with a New Jersey teacher who went to Google for a day to > learn about bringing various modern social web tools in to the > classroom. I can imagine how cool it was. > > Not being there, I have to presume the focus was on the well-integrated > tools that Google offers and not, for example, on the open source > software underneath them. > > From a perspective of bringing more open source to educators, what are > equivalents that Fedora could be doing here? > > Oh, and, uh, for less cash outlay. :) > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- The idea that immediately popped into my head: Well in the 'obviously less money' front that means this has to be more regionalized, as I imagine travel and lodging are the major expenses. You could hold a 'regional' workshop invite teachers to it - partner with a local LUG to show off open source. Maybe setup an impromptu lab. Perhaps we don't even term it as a open source workshop - but more of a technology workshop. As part of the "showing off" hold up some examples like Marcelo Tossati, Sarath Lakshman, and Ian Weller hopefully to open their eyes to what kind of opportunities are available to people (even high school kids) who are motivated to get involved and learn. But really I'd like to know what the end goals you are seeking. I understand that you have said that you want to bring more open source to educators - but I guess why is the question? Are we looking to get them to show off open source, become users of OSS? Are we looking to make them into Robby Workmans - teachers by day and packagers by night? Or are we trying to get them to reveal (or open their class to us so that we can) open source to their students. Or all of the above? (and if it's all of the above, what's the primary target among those?) For one I didn't come away with the impression that the teacher had a greater appreciation for open source software or even knew what it was, despite the fact that she was inevitably making use of it. I can't imagine that a teacher (or anyone else) would want to spend a day listening to a sales pitch (even if the item was free as in beer), or even propaganda. So my second question is - what's the demonstrable benefit for them? Especially if they are not teaching something related to computers? Google said if you attend you will learn technology that's current and hip - and you'll take away technology that will make your life more productive, improve your understanding of the technology your students are using, and possibly give you something that you can show off to your students. What's the takeaway statement from what Fedora would provide. I am asking that not to be difficult, but I think we often get so used to showing off 'cool stuff' to technophiles, geeks and Linux-lovers that we lose sight of the fact that just because it's cool to us doesn't mean that others will even care - even if they should. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 19:44:24 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:24 -0700 Subject: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008) In-Reply-To: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> References: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> Message-ID: <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 01:35 +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > Owners stats: > - 6517 packages > - 10799 binary rpms in devel Darn, I was afraid of that. We are all perfectly aware that one package (tarball + spec file) can yield more than one binary rpm. So what are we counting when we count in public? Does it matter that we use the term "package" in two senses? We've been counting binary rpms as the "number of packages that Fedora has." Do we need different terminology here? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 20:18:50 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:18:50 -0700 Subject: teacher certification in ... free culture? In-Reply-To: References: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <7a0d56080808191318x50d818bk7c809c475754c859@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM, David Nalley wrote: > > You could hold a 'regional' workshop invite teachers to it - partner > with a local LUG to show off open source. Maybe setup an impromptu > lab. Perhaps we don't even term it as a open source workshop - but > more of a technology workshop. And I know just the LUG to do it -- Karsten, we can talk about this off list because it sounds like something that the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group could host in Central California. > But really I'd like to know what the end goals you are seeking. I > understand that you have said that you want to bring more open source > to educators - but I guess why is the question? Are we looking to get > them to show off open source, become users of OSS? Are we looking to > make them into Robby Workmans - teachers by day and packagers by > night? Or are we trying to get them to reveal (or open their class to > us so that we can) open source to their students. Or all of the above? > (and if it's all of the above, what's the primary target among those?) >From a purely evangelical standpoint, getting teachers exposed to FOSS (at a minimum) or getting them to be users of FOSS in the classroom (at the most) raises the profile of open source, and with that higher profile, the profile of Fedora is raised along with it. Not only does it benefit those teachers choosing to use it -- especially those teachers in computer-type classes -- but students being exposed to it in high school get an advantage as they go into college, especially those going into something digital related, by having a wider range of knowledge. > I can't imagine that a teacher (or anyone else) would want to spend a > day listening to a sales pitch (even if the item was free as in beer), > or even propaganda. So my second question is - what's the > demonstrable benefit for them? Especially if they are not teaching > something related to computers? Some states like Florida (and maybe California) require their teachers to attend seminars related to education during the course of the year, for which they get credit or "points" or something (if anyone is a teacher in a state with this requirement and can elaborate, that would help). An open source seminar might beat the heck out of a "Latest New Age Discipline Techinques" seminar or something like that. I hope. > I am asking that > not to be difficult, but I think we often get so used to showing off > 'cool stuff' to technophiles, geeks and Linux-lovers that we lose > sight of the fact that just because it's cool to us doesn't mean that > others will even care - even if they should. No truer words were spoken. Just a couple of observations to be taken or left. Larry Cafiero http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero From jaa at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 22:49:51 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:49:51 -0400 Subject: The Education Strategy Message-ID: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> Hello Everyone, I realize that some people have been confused, perplexed and perhaps annoyed at the lack of information being disseminated about what is going on vis-a-vis some programs being planned in the educational realm. After my brief comments at the NA ambassadors meeting a few weeks I would like to outline what has been going on to provide some clarity as well a grounds for discussions for everything. Let me start by saying that I apologize if it seemed like this was being done in secret, which it absolutely isn't, its just the choice was made to keep everything quiet until we could make some formal announcement in the coming months and that lead people to believe we were trying to cut people out of the process, which is not the case at all. First of all, let me make a few thing we are *NOT* trying to do clear, based mostly off concerns people have brought to my attention: 1. Create a private initiative - Again, we were just being mum until we could make sure we would get the most press punch out of this. 2. Uproot/Replace/Rename/Repurpose the Ambassadors program - This is absolutely not true one iota!!! The purpose that we are considering this initiative to be a separate entity has nothing to do with anything malicious. This is intended to be a pilot program and we thought it might be less of a burned on Ambassadors if it was run by one person initially, figure out if it has legs, gain some organic growth and then integrate it into the fold rather than stick in a whole bunch of new people with seemingly narrow-focused objectives into an already ongoing and vibrant Ambassadors program. 3. Replace current Ambassadors who are students - Again, not true. We really would like everyone to keep doing the great job they are already doing, day in and day out. We didn't start by approaching these ambassadors, because strategic partnerships with certain key universities are important to Red Hat as well as Fedora and we are, and I especially have been, working on building those bridges for the past few weeks. We don't want to kick anyone out of place, on the contrary--we are trying to make more places in which people can be. That being said, I am going to highlight some key pieces of strategy which for better or worse comprise our Fedora Education Strategy and feel free to comment on and/or disagree with any of these--thats why I'm putting this out, to get everyone involved in the process: 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of people to try and put together both a platform and set of course materials in order to teach people and students world wide how to program using modern software engineering methodologies and with a focus on Free and Open Software tools and philosophy. 2. Campus Reps - A US Pilot program to try and get students on college campuses involved in Fedora and general FOSS advocacy. Initially, they will all report back to one person within Red Hat who can be help responsible and accountable for all this. Purpose is two-fold, first, students advocate for open source and fedora on their respective campus. Second, they provide eyes and ears on the ground and work with students and faculty to find interesting opportunities. Students also provide a face for us to the faculty which is familiar to them which doesnt seem like its some corporate backed scheme to recruit students without paying their sometimes insane fees. Reps have a few basic responsibilities, mainly holding one event a semester, whether it be a tech talk or info session about something fedora or open source related and maintaining good rapport with faculty to try and make new opportunities spring up. 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the country's elite science and math high schools in order to get students familiarized with open source at the high school level. This ties in with the Open Curriculum. We know there are a number of similar initiatives but none which focus around getting students familiarized with open source. Thats basically that, I'm sure everyone will have more questions and comments and suggestions, so let's get everyone involved in this. What do you think? Jack From stickster at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 16:06:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:06:53 +0000 Subject: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008) In-Reply-To: <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1219248413.4004.151.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:44 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 01:35 +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > > > Owners stats: > > - 6517 packages > > - 10799 binary rpms in devel > > Darn, I was afraid of that. We are all perfectly aware that one package > (tarball + spec file) can yield more than one binary rpm. > > So what are we counting when we count in public? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at gnsa.us Wed Aug 20 17:29:35 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:29:35 -0400 Subject: The Education Strategy In-Reply-To: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> References: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I realize that some people have been confused, perplexed and perhaps annoyed > at the lack of information being disseminated about what is going on > vis-a-vis some programs being planned in the educational realm. After my > brief comments at the NA ambassadors meeting a few weeks I would like to > outline what has been going on to provide some clarity as well a grounds for > discussions for everything. Let me start by saying that I apologize if it > seemed like this was being done in secret, which it absolutely isn't, its > just the choice was made to keep everything quiet until we could make some > formal announcement in the coming months and that lead people to believe we > were trying to cut people out of the process, which is not the case at all. > > First of all, let me make a few thing we are *NOT* trying to do clear, based > mostly off concerns people have brought to my attention: > > 1. Create a private initiative - Again, we were just being mum until we > could make sure we would get the most press punch out of this. > > 2. Uproot/Replace/Rename/Repurpose the Ambassadors program - This is > absolutely not true one iota!!! The purpose that we are considering this > initiative to be a separate entity has nothing to do with anything > malicious. This is intended to be a pilot program and we thought it might > be less of a burned on Ambassadors if it was run by one person initially, > figure out if it has legs, gain some organic growth and then integrate it > into the fold rather than stick in a whole bunch of new people with > seemingly narrow-focused objectives into an already ongoing and vibrant > Ambassadors program. > > 3. Replace current Ambassadors who are students - Again, not true. We > really would like everyone to keep doing the great job they are already > doing, day in and day out. We didn't start by approaching these > ambassadors, because strategic partnerships with certain key universities > are important to Red Hat as well as Fedora and we are, and I especially have > been, working on building those bridges for the past few weeks. We don't > want to kick anyone out of place, on the contrary--we are trying to make > more places in which people can be. > > That being said, I am going to highlight some key pieces of strategy which > for better or worse comprise our Fedora Education Strategy and feel free to > comment on and/or disagree with any of these--thats why I'm putting this > out, to get everyone involved in the process: > > 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of people > to try and put together both a platform and set of course materials in order > to teach people and students world wide how to program using modern software > engineering methodologies and with a focus on Free and Open Software tools > and philosophy. > > 2. Campus Reps - A US Pilot program to try and get students on college > campuses involved in Fedora and general FOSS advocacy. Initially, they will > all report back to one person within Red Hat who can be help responsible and > accountable for all this. Purpose is two-fold, first, students advocate for > open source and fedora on their respective campus. Second, they provide > eyes and ears on the ground and work with students and faculty to find > interesting opportunities. Students also provide a face for us to the > faculty which is familiar to them which doesnt seem like its some corporate > backed scheme to recruit students without paying their sometimes insane > fees. Reps have a few basic responsibilities, mainly holding one event a > semester, whether it be a tech talk or info session about something fedora > or open source related and maintaining good rapport with faculty to try and > make new opportunities spring up. > > 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the country's > elite science and math high schools in order to get students familiarized > with open source at the high school level. This ties in with the Open > Curriculum. We know there are a number of similar initiatives but none > which focus around getting students familiarized with open source. > > Thats basically that, I'm sure everyone will have more questions and > comments and suggestions, so let's get everyone involved in this. What do > you think? > > Jack > > Hi Jack - let me first say thanks for taking the time to write this up, especially with everything that's going on. The potential for reaching students and communicating the opportunities within Fedora and the larger open source community are terribly exciting. My concerns are as follows: Lack of openness One of the things we've talked about in IRC and I'll reiterate here is that lack of openness makes people think the worst. I think that largely such things have little if any place within the Fedora community - there are a few exceptions, but I am not sure that this is one of them. I also don't see the benefit - I know we talked about making a big splash at Seneca in October, but that type of 'marketing' is more reminiscent of Steve Jobs than of Fedora. Lack of opportunity By doing a small pilot and restricting participation I am afraid we risk turning away potential contributors. Now when I say that I am not advocating going full bore advertising - but there is a difference between something being open to anyone, letting people self-nominate and keeping it limited to $select_colleges. This actually shocks me that we'd try to actively restrict who can get involved in program. I am also shocked at the lack of opportunity to participate in the process of planning it out. There are some people who heavily think that academia is a must-tap for OSS progress that would love to offer their time, expertise, and connections. Lack of taking advantage of resources. Within the Fedora Ambassadors, Marketing Project, and even the wider Fedora contributor base there are already some significant resources that aren't being tapped. For instance, there exists a sizeable group of students, faculty and staff at colleges already. Why are we trying to apparently start this effort from scratch? Seems counter-intuitive, especially given the nature of Fedora. Why not start there, take the Larry Cafieros and Yaakov Nemoys and others. From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 20 17:40:19 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:40:19 +0100 Subject: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008) In-Reply-To: <1219248413.4004.151.camel@victoria> References: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1219248413.4004.151.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <8FF01BE8-AAAD-4838-8B52-86B48DA1A657@fedoraproject.org> > > And I think some of the binaries may be repeated for certain arches, > right? But to me, saying "10,000" isn't disingenuous. It's simple > and > effective and essentially truthful. And it's what users can get, > which > is the central issue. How does our terminology compare to other distributions? I know this is a metric that's used from time to time to make comparisons, and it seems to me that the best thing to do would be to use the same measure. Jon From wdc at MIT.EDU Wed Aug 20 17:50:55 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:50:55 -0400 Subject: The Education Strategy In-Reply-To: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> References: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <794CBB23-4472-41A8-9E85-052FD258FAA9@mit.edu> Jack, Your scope and rationale make 100% good sense to me. I see the Campus Reps and RHH initiatives as places were MIT and Fedora can more fully engage. Well done! -Bill ---- William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services & Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I realize that some people have been confused, perplexed and > perhaps annoyed at the lack of information being disseminated about > what is going on vis-a-vis some programs being planned in the > educational realm. After my brief comments at the NA ambassadors > meeting a few weeks I would like to outline what has been going on > to provide some clarity as well a grounds for discussions for > everything. Let me start by saying that I apologize if it seemed > like this was being done in secret, which it absolutely isn't, its > just the choice was made to keep everything quiet until we could > make some formal announcement in the coming months and that lead > people to believe we were trying to cut people out of the process, > which is not the case at all. > > First of all, let me make a few thing we are *NOT* trying to do > clear, based mostly off concerns people have brought to my attention: > > 1. Create a private initiative - Again, we were just being mum > until we could make sure we would get the most press punch out of > this. > > 2. Uproot/Replace/Rename/Repurpose the Ambassadors program - This > is absolutely not true one iota!!! The purpose that we are > considering this initiative to be a separate entity has nothing to > do with anything malicious. This is intended to be a pilot program > and we thought it might be less of a burned on Ambassadors if it > was run by one person initially, figure out if it has legs, gain > some organic growth and then integrate it into the fold rather than > stick in a whole bunch of new people with seemingly narrow-focused > objectives into an already ongoing and vibrant Ambassadors program. > > 3. Replace current Ambassadors who are students - Again, not true. > We really would like everyone to keep doing the great job they are > already doing, day in and day out. We didn't start by approaching > these ambassadors, because strategic partnerships with certain key > universities are important to Red Hat as well as Fedora and we are, > and I especially have been, working on building those bridges for > the past few weeks. We don't want to kick anyone out of place, on > the contrary--we are trying to make more places in which people can > be. > > That being said, I am going to highlight some key pieces of > strategy which for better or worse comprise our Fedora Education > Strategy and feel free to comment on and/or disagree with any of > these--thats why I'm putting this out, to get everyone involved in > the process: > > 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of > people to try and put together both a platform and set of course > materials in order to teach people and students world wide how to > program using modern software engineering methodologies and with a > focus on Free and Open Software tools and philosophy. > > 2. Campus Reps - A US Pilot program to try and get students on > college campuses involved in Fedora and general FOSS advocacy. > Initially, they will all report back to one person within Red Hat > who can be help responsible and accountable for all this. Purpose > is two-fold, first, students advocate for open source and fedora on > their respective campus. Second, they provide eyes and ears on the > ground and work with students and faculty to find interesting > opportunities. Students also provide a face for us to the faculty > which is familiar to them which doesnt seem like its some corporate > backed scheme to recruit students without paying their sometimes > insane fees. Reps have a few basic responsibilities, mainly > holding one event a semester, whether it be a tech talk or info > session about something fedora or open source related and > maintaining good rapport with faculty to try and make new > opportunities spring up. > > 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the > country's elite science and math high schools in order to get > students familiarized with open source at the high school level. > This ties in with the Open Curriculum. We know there are a number > of similar initiatives but none which focus around getting students > familiarized with open source. > > Thats basically that, I'm sure everyone will have more questions > and comments and suggestions, so let's get everyone involved in > this. What do you think? > > Jack > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 20 17:51:51 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:51:51 +0100 Subject: The Education Strategy In-Reply-To: References: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <91842333-8D72-49AC-B47B-637B59785890@fedoraproject.org> >> Firstly, let me say that from what I know of the work you're doing with education it's really exciting and got loads of potential. In fact I think it's one of the most exciting things happening in Fedora at the moment! >> 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of >> people >> to try and put together both a platform and set of course materials >> in order >> to teach people and students world wide how to program using modern >> software >> engineering methodologies and with a focus on Free and Open >> Software tools >> and philosophy. This to me is a very exciting direction for Fedora to be heading :) >> >> 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the >> country's >> elite science and math high schools in order to get students >> familiarized >> with open source at the high school level. This ties in with the >> Open >> Curriculum. We know there are a number of similar initiatives but >> none >> which focus around getting students familiarized with open source. This I am less keen on. I loved the idea of RHH, but I don't like the idea of targeting the elite only. I don't know how it works in the US, but many of the "elite" schools here in the UK are private and the kind of people who can afford to attend is extremely limited - even indirectly by the property prices near by. Further, school doesn't work out for everyone, and there are many extremely talented people who aren't "elite" but who would probably find RHH exactly the kind of thing they need to kick start their love of learning, or their love of anything! I would hope that these are the kind of people that a project like this would target. >> > Lack of openness > One of the things we've talked about in IRC and I'll reiterate here is > that lack of openness makes people think the worst. I think that > largely such things have little if any place within the Fedora > community - there are a few exceptions, but I am not sure that this is > one of them. I also don't see the benefit - I know we talked about > making a big splash at Seneca in October, but that type of 'marketing' > is more reminiscent of Steve Jobs than of Fedora. Agreed. I realise that sometimes a "lack of openness" isn't intentional, and just happens (I've certainly been guilty of this at times), but I don't see any reason other than legal obligations to not be entirely open with everything that we do. Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 18:55:44 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:55:44 -0800 Subject: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008) In-Reply-To: <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910808201155i3ae4fdf1r38e7dac0feaad79f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : >> Owners stats: >> - 6517 packages >> - 10799 binary rpms in devel > > Darn, I was afraid of that. We are all perfectly aware that one package > (tarball + spec file) can yield more than one binary rpm. Would it be better to consistently start using a term like component or module to indicate the tarball+spec+patchset entity...especially since people are vectoring towards making it possible to work with explode sources in our buildsystem without generating an srpm 'package' at all. Yes those people may or may not be smoking crack.. but they appear to be pretty serious about making it possible to work with some sort of exploded tree as an option to srpms for some of the components we maintain...can't really call an exploded tree a package. -jef From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 19:00:19 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:00:19 -0700 Subject: The Education Strategy In-Reply-To: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> References: <48AB4E0F.9050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080808201200s2cd4ba49ucb08b70832445903@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I realize that some people have been confused, perplexed and perhaps annoyed > at the lack of information being disseminated about what is going on > vis-a-vis some programs being planned in the educational realm. After my > brief comments at the NA ambassadors meeting a few weeks I would like to > outline what has been going on to provide some clarity as well a grounds for > discussions for everything. Let me start by saying that I apologize if it > seemed like this was being done in secret, which it absolutely isn't, its > just the choice was made to keep everything quiet until we could make some > formal announcement in the coming months and that lead people to believe we > were trying to cut people out of the process, which is not the case at all. Jack, It's too bad we were unable to talk more about this at the booth at LinuxWorld. The college at which I'm a student, Cabrillo College in Aptos, California (Santa Cruz County), would be ripe for the projects mentioned below (and I'll outline that later). Before I continue, I've only been an ambassador since May. I bring this up because it's still unclear to me where the boundaries lie between Red Hat and Fedora -- if any -- and if that actually matters in the first place. I bring it up because I'd like avoid the mistaken assumption that we can use the terms Red Hat and Fedora synonymously, however in the e-mail the distinction is a little blurry. Also, as inode0 implies, after reading your missive, it's hard to imagine how people WEREN'T cut out of the process. As such, that at least seems to show a degree of secrecy that runs contrary to my perception of openness at Fedora, which is of great concern to me. I trust that this is a rare occurrence rather than the norm. > 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of people > to try and put together both a platform and set of course materials in order > to teach people and students world wide how to program using modern software > engineering methodologies and with a focus on Free and Open Software tools > and philosophy. This is great and something we can use at Cabrillo. I hope the talented group of people involved includes students, and I'd like to know whether there is room for contribution from ambassadors on this. > 2. Campus Reps - A US Pilot program to try and get students on college > campuses involved in Fedora and general FOSS advocacy. Initially, they will > all report back to one person within Red Hat who can be help responsible and > accountable for all this. Purpose is two-fold, first, students advocate for > open source and fedora on their respective campus. Second, they provide > eyes and ears on the ground and work with students and faculty to find > interesting opportunities. Students also provide a face for us to the > faculty which is familiar to them which doesnt seem like its some corporate > backed scheme to recruit students without paying their sometimes insane > fees. Reps have a few basic responsibilities, mainly holding one event a > semester, whether it be a tech talk or info session about something fedora > or open source related and maintaining good rapport with faculty to try and > make new opportunities spring up. We're set up at Cabrillo for this already -- I'm an ambassador here and the outgoing president of the Cabrillo GNU/Linux Users Group (termed out, but will probably hold another officer's position). We have biweekly meetings/installfests and enjoy a very good relationship with the faculty here, and have many faculty members who are Linux-sympathetic, at the very least. > 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the country's > elite science and math high schools in order to get students familiarized > with open source at the high school level. This ties in with the Open > Curriculum. We know there are a number of similar initiatives but none > which focus around getting students familiarized with open source. Just one question: Is there any reason to stop at the elite science and math high schools? The Cabrillo College G/LUG is already making inroads with charter schools in our area, offering instruction and limited support for those schools wishing to convert to Linux and FOSS. In addition, the KIPP charter high school in San Francisco can serve as a model of how Linux is used in a high school computer lab setting (albeit it's an Ubuntu lab, but still). I think this program is limiting itself, not to mention coming across as elitist, by only addresing the science and math high schools. On the whole, I'm looking forward to this project and will do what I can to make it work. By the same token, I would like to reiterate my concern about maintaining the openness of this endeavor to make it all-inclusive. Larry Cafiero From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Aug 20 20:56:12 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:56:12 +0200 Subject: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808201155i3ae4fdf1r38e7dac0feaad79f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080812013532.06f7eb1f@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch> <1219175064.7342.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> <604aa7910808201155i3ae4fdf1r38e7dac0feaad79f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AC84EC.2090803@kanarip.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : >>> Owners stats: >>> - 6517 packages >>> - 10799 binary rpms in devel >> Darn, I was afraid of that. We are all perfectly aware that one package >> (tarball + spec file) can yield more than one binary rpm. > > Would it be better to consistently start using a term like component > or module to indicate the tarball+spec+patchset entity...especially > since people are vectoring towards making it possible to work with > explode sources in our buildsystem without generating an srpm > 'package' at all. > > Yes those people may or may not be smoking crack.. but they appear to > be pretty serious about making it possible to work with some sort of > exploded tree as an option to srpms for some of the components we > maintain...can't really call an exploded tree a package. > Or, instead of having a subtle name change for each subtle stage change in turning foo into baz via bar, we could just stick with 'package' and suggest that a 'package' is something you can yum install or yumdownloader --source. -Jeroen From svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 11:02:21 2008 From: svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com (Svetoslav P. Chukov) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:02:21 +0300 Subject: Spreading Fedora Message-ID: Hello, I am a big fan of Fedora and recently I decided to increase my participation. I would love to see Fedora to become more popular and widely used. So, I created the site SpreadFedora.org with hope to do that. But I would like to ask for help. As I am concerned about some trademark questions and I would like to ask if such a site (since it is not part of any Fedora/RedHat projects) could be a breach of any trademarks or marketing rules of Fedora. The site would be about spreading and helping users to migrate to Fedora. It's main purpose is to help users to learn more and migrate flawlessly. mhydra a.k.a. Svetoslav P. Chukov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 21 14:17:41 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:17:41 -0400 Subject: Spreading Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AD7905.4030109@fedoraproject.org> Hey Svetoslav! Svetoslav P. Chukov wrote: > Hello, > I am a big fan of Fedora and recently I decided to increase my > participation. I would love to see Fedora to become more popular and > widely used. So, I created the site SpreadFedora.org > with hope to do that. But I would like to ask > for help. As I am concerned about some trademark questions and I would > like to ask if such a site (since it is not part of any Fedora/RedHat > projects) could be a breach of any trademarks or marketing rules of Fedora. > > The site would be about spreading and helping users to migrate to > Fedora. It's main purpose is to help users to learn more and migrate > flawlessly. I think we have a need for such a site for Fedora! :) It's something we've discussed sometimes in the Fedora marketing meeting, so I'm happy to see you have an interest in making it happen! Would you have time today to make the Fedora marketing meeting to talk about your ideas? It's 19:00 UTC (3 PM EDT) in #fedora-mktg on freenode. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 21 14:19:45 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:19:45 +0300 Subject: Spreading Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AD7981.5080900@nicubunu.ro> Svetoslav P. Chukov wrote: > Hello, > I am a big fan of Fedora and recently I decided to increase my > participation. I would love to see Fedora to become more popular and > widely used. So, I created the site SpreadFedora.org > with hope to do that. But I would like to ask > for help. As I am concerned about some trademark questions and I would > like to ask if such a site (since it is not part of any Fedora/RedHat > projects) could be a breach of any trademarks or marketing rules of Fedora. Haha! Some of the graphics you used look *very* familiar to me :D However, I think you should read the logo usage guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > The site would be about spreading and helping users to migrate to > Fedora. It's main purpose is to help users to learn more and migrate > flawlessly. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 14:25:59 2008 From: svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com (Svetoslav P. Chukov) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:25:59 +0300 Subject: Spreading Fedora In-Reply-To: <48AD7981.5080900@nicubunu.ro> References: <48AD7981.5080900@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Svetoslav P. Chukov wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am a big fan of Fedora and recently I decided to increase my >> participation. I would love to see Fedora to become more popular and widely >> used. So, I created the site SpreadFedora.org >> with hope to do that. But I would like to ask for help. As I am concerned >> about some trademark questions and I would like to ask if such a site (since >> it is not part of any Fedora/RedHat projects) could be a breach of any >> trademarks or marketing rules of Fedora. >> > > Haha! Some of the graphics you used look *very* familiar to me :D > I bet you will recognize them. In fact they all are taken from your site - fedora.nicubunu.ro. Since I have no experience in the graphical work and I can not produce my own graphics. I hope you do not mind if I use them. mhydra > However, I think you should read the logo usage guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > The site would be about spreading and helping users to migrate to Fedora. >> It's main purpose is to help users to learn more and migrate flawlessly. >> > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Marketing People are the smart People who say how ;) You see there is no need to invent the wheel again - please join us and share your enthusiastic ideas! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From snavin at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 03:42:15 2008 From: snavin at fedoraproject.org (Danishka Navin) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:12:15 +0530 Subject: Approaching for a Fedora migration Message-ID: Folks, I am trying to migrate 10,000 boxes in Sri Lanka. Need assistance from team leads of Ambassadors project and the Fedora Marketing. 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Rahul From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 16:05:56 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:05:56 -0400 Subject: four f's iconography Message-ID: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the best representations. 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They are rough > sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the rendering. > Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them all if you have > any issues with them conceptually and come up with the best representations. > > Sound cool? :) > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Yes, they sounds good and personally I find those ones more effective. Great job! Regard From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Aug 22 16:19:36 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:19:36 -0300 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: you have my support for doing this ! :) I personally think that it's a good idea, the "old" one is getting a little obsolete, it's not keeping up with the velocity of releases, I guess.. x.x 2008/8/22 Francesco Ugolini > 2008/8/22 M?ir?n Duffy : > > Hey folks, > > > > So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four > F's > > posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the three > > fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus on the > > four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with icons > > specifically drawn to represent the four f's. > > > > I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are > rough > > sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the > rendering. > > Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them all if you > have > > any issues with them conceptually and come up with the best > representations. > > > > Sound cool? :) > > > > ~m > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > Yes, they sounds good and personally I find those ones more effective. > > Great job! > > Regard > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. 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Aside from just looking at Linux itself, we have included eight common Linux distributions in this survey: Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Red Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Gentoo. ..................................................... *Some interesting observations*: * Ubuntu is most popular in Italy and Cuba. * OpenSUSE is most popular in Russia and the Czech Republic. * Red Hat is most popular in Bangladesh and Nepal. * Debian is most popular in Cuba. * Cuba is in the top five (interest-wise) of three of the eight distributions in this survey. * Indonesia is in the top five of four of the distributions. * Russia and the Czech Republic are in the top five of five of the distributions. * The United States is not in the top five of any of the distributions. Note again that when we say "popular" here, we mean how popular the search term is. After all, this is based on Google search data. ..................................................... *Countries with highest interest in Fedora*: 1. Sri Lanka 2. Bangladesh 3. India 4. Nepal 5. Zimbabwe Dig deeper into Google's search statistics for Fedora here. Google Insights for search Linux: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=linux&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 17:08:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:08:25 -0400 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219424905.21605.168.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 12:05 -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > Hey folks, > > So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four > F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the > three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus > on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with > icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. > > I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are > rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the > rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them > all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the > best representations. > > Sound cool? :) Great work, I like where these are going. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 17:41:14 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:41:14 -0400 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48AEFA3A.7040801@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are > rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the > rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them > all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the > best representations. So here's some of the feedback from irc: mizmo: is that a "freebird" lol * ke4qqq imagines Fedora theme music now ke4qqq, hehe * mizmo whips out lighter and waves it in the air .... ok, that friend definitely needs a lighter lol coincidence? i think not! perhaps an f instead of a guitar like this: http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/3/L10774462.jpg so some ideas from this: freedom - maybe use a pair of wings instead of a bird - maybe use an 'f' with a pair of wings mizmo: (On a happier note, I return to art...) For your four icons the only thing I might have suggested for features was a "gourmet covered dish being delivered" but I think that's too vague. stickster, ooh interesting idea stickster, maybe a butler with a lidded dish mizmo: Exactly features: - butler with a lidded dish Any other ideas? :) ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 18:03:29 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:03:29 +0100 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 22 Aug 2008, at 17:05, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the > Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the > design of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but > instead make them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo > parts in the posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the > four f's. One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas that we're putting across to people. I kind of wish I'd thought of this back when we originally discussed them, although it might be a complete non-issue anyway. Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 18:16:44 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0400 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48AF028C.1010601@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > On 22 Aug 2008, at 17:05, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Hey folks, >> >> So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the >> Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design >> of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make >> them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the >> posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. > > One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was > whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for > risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current > logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas > that we're putting across to people. > > I kind of wish I'd thought of this back when we originally discussed > them, although it might be a complete non-issue anyway. I don't *think* it's going to be an issue - think of the four foundations as more a particular Fedora campaign... the iconography should be done in the same style as the logo artwork, for example, but in no way is meant to replace it or supercede it. We'll use the standard Fedora fonts and colors etc. when doing it so hopefully it'll be a nice extension that we can rotate out if need be. Does that make sense? ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 18:22:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:22:35 +0100 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AF028C.1010601@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> <48AF028C.1010601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > I don't *think* it's going to be an issue - think of the four > foundations as more a particular Fedora campaign... the iconography > should be done in the same style as the logo artwork, for example, > but in no way is meant to replace it or supercede it. We'll use the > standard Fedora fonts and colors etc. when doing it so hopefully > it'll be a nice extension that we can rotate out if need be. > > Does that make sense? Mostly, I guess. Tbh, I don't have much of a clue about these things, just my gut feeling! The only thing that still concerns me is that as a particular campaign, the feel of the four fs is a little too similar to that of f-i-v. Most campaigns integrate the existing brand into their new message, using well known logos coupled with new material. Wish I could come up with some examples... I guess we achieve a similar thing by using the same fonts and colours, /me continues to feel clueless but unsettled. Jon From frankly3d at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 20:32:12 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:32:12 +0100 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1219437132.9262.11.camel@frank-01> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 12:05 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are > rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the > rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them > all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the > best representations. > > Sound cool? :) What size roughly would ambassador etc.. have the finished poster(s) sized, Whats the norm? Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 22 23:08:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:38:41 +0530 Subject: Oops! I Fixed the Linux Kernel Message-ID: <48AF46F9.2050900@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3767236/Oops+I+Fixed+the+Linux+Kernel.htm "Fedora Project leader Paul Frields told InternetNews.com that the Kerneloops package automatically delivers the messages the kernel dumps into a repository the kernel maintainers can use to prioritize, diagnose and fix problems. "Fedora is involved because we track the kernel very aggressively," Frields said. "The Kerneloops capability also supports our dedication to a healthy cooperation with upstream software providers like the kernel developer community. It leverages the widespread use of Fedora for the direct benefit of that community, who can see measurable results of their work and shift resources as needed to target frequent or important issues." Rahul From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 24 01:01:16 2008 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:01:16 -0400 Subject: teacher certification in ... free culture? In-Reply-To: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > http://blog.nj.com/jerseyblogs/2008/08/going_google_talking_with_goog.html > > An interview with a New Jersey teacher who went to Google for a day to > learn about bringing various modern social web tools in to the > classroom. I can imagine how cool it was. > > Not being there, I have to presume the focus was on the well-integrated > tools that Google offers and not, for example, on the open source > software underneath them. > > From a perspective of bringing more open source to educators, what are > equivalents that Fedora could be doing here? > > Oh, and, uh, for less cash outlay. :) > As a follow up on this I talked with a teacher or two. They drug me down several rabbit trails - but finally I think I grabbed something useful. You explain F/LOSS in a way that benefits them first - as your introduction. One of the teachers I talked with pays a monthly or yearly membership fee to several websites that provide educational materials. From daily worksheets to what is essentially a datasheet. So while there is nothing wrong with that - why not offer them collaborative space somewhere - perhaps a small wiki instance and let them build their own material collaboratively. I'll admit I haven't though this out to its logical conclusion - but once you get them to understand the concept it would appear to be easier to communicate. From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 05:51:26 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:21:26 +0530 Subject: distributor spin Message-ID: <5ac533d50808232251p6f99238codbf9ed40a63978fd@mail.gmail.com> actually i do not know how to create one. well that spin would be patented and it would not be fedora. it would be the creators own os based on fedora. a tutorial would need to be given in the downloaded file on how to create an iso and how to brand it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 06:51:32 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:51:32 +0800 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50808232251p6f99238codbf9ed40a63978fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50808232251p6f99238codbf9ed40a63978fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B104F4.80107@fedoraproject.org> you can read out "linuxfromscratch" to learn all out how you can build a Linux from ground zero. With that know-how, then you can see how you want to do a package management system and update system and etc for your distro . i had created many distro(out of fun and learning) from scratch myself and even had stripped RH8/9 or have rebuild with uclibc etc....but patented kinda not viable with all opensource GPL and alike licensing .... maybe only your invented propietary package management system and update system and system magement application........ all best and good luck. Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Arnav Kalra wrote: > actually i do not know how to create one. well that spin would be > patented and it would not be fedora. it would be the creators own os > based on fedora. a tutorial would need to be given in the downloaded > file on how to create an iso and how to brand it -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Aug 24 07:57:08 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <48B104F4.80107@fedoraproject.org> References: <5ac533d50808232251p6f99238codbf9ed40a63978fd@mail.gmail.com> <48B104F4.80107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Jason Benedict wrote: > you can read out "linuxfromscratch" to learn all out how you can build > a Linux from ground zero. With that know-how, then you can see how you > want to do a package management system and update system and etc for > your distro . > > i had created many distro(out of fun and learning) from scratch > myself and even had stripped RH8/9 or have rebuild with uclibc > etc....but patented kinda not viable with all opensource GPL and alike > licensing .... maybe only your invented propietary package management > system and update system and system magement application........ I'm confused, is the parent trying to make a new distro, or to make a custom respin of Fedora? The first is hard, the second allows you to leverage our already-existing infrastructure. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo https://fedorahosted.org/revisor From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 08:52:21 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:52:21 +0800 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: References: <5ac533d50808232251p6f99238codbf9ed40a63978fd@mail.gmail.com> <48B104F4.80107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B12145.1080105@gmail.com> no idea as i just reply to his phrase "well that spin would be patented and it would not be fedora" Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Max Spevack wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Jason Benedict wrote: > >> you can read out "linuxfromscratch" to learn all out how you can >> build a Linux from ground zero. With that know-how, then you can see >> how you want to do a package management system and update system and >> etc for your distro . >> >> i had created many distro(out of fun and learning) from scratch >> myself and even had stripped RH8/9 or have rebuild with uclibc >> etc....but patented kinda not viable with all opensource GPL and >> alike licensing .... maybe only your invented propietary package >> management system and update system and system magement >> application........ > > > I'm confused, is the parent trying to make a new distro, or to make a > custom respin of Fedora? > > The first is hard, the second allows you to leverage our > already-existing infrastructure. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo > https://fedorahosted.org/revisor > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <1219169295.7342.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <78323d480808240816tb66ba66h1db173c741e008f7@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:31 AM, David Nalley wrote: > 2008/8/19 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : >> From a perspective of bringing more open source to educators, what are >> equivalents that Fedora could be doing here? >> >> Oh, and, uh, for less cash outlay. :) >> > > So while there is nothing wrong with that - why not offer them > collaborative space somewhere - perhaps a small wiki instance and let > them build their own material collaboratively. A 'small wiki instance' may not be particularly motivating. Plenty of applications including say Moodle, should be integrated. Custom versions of these can make a difference. It is here that the Fedora community can do something more. Custom spins for educators are also not available. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Aug 25 07:57:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:57:58 +0300 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B26606.6080902@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are > rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the > rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them > all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the > best representations. Call me weird, but I quite fond of how the images look like (this sketchy style). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Aug 25 08:00:43 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:00:43 +0300 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48B266AB.4070809@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was > whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for > risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current > logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas > that we're putting across to people. I think we just don't talk about the metaphor behind the bubble logo, we include it mostly for identity consistency (but it is not *the* central piece). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 25 09:10:06 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:10:06 +0100 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <48B266AB.4070809@nicubunu.ro> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> <48B266AB.4070809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1219655406.3006.2.camel@Adam> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 11:00 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was > > whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for > > risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current > > logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas > > that we're putting across to people. > > I think we just don't talk about the metaphor behind the bubble logo, we > include it mostly for identity consistency (but it is not *the* central > piece). We did in the previous set of posters that the art team did, and it worked well too :) Jon From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 12:28:29 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:58:29 +0530 Subject: distributor spin Message-ID: <5ac533d50808250528m29d33eb4sa9f673afdad2c42d@mail.gmail.com> well i want to make a spin which contains the good packages out of everything tree, is installable, download able and using this 'fedora' spin we can make other spins using the everything tree, other rpms and other software you get from anywhere. but we also need to have shell scripts using which we access that program. so let me give an example. person A uses fedora he has a friend named B who is tired of windows. so his B requests A to give him linux in which his windows games and some other apps can run. so A will use this spin to make a spin in which B's games and other apps are preinstalled and run using wine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most campaigns integrate the existing brand into their new > message, using well known logos coupled with new material. Wish I could come > up with some examples... I think we should be able to do this. For instance the voice bubble could be featured quite prominently in both the freedom and friends concepts. Infinity plays into both features and firsts, and freedom is the obvious transition. I don't necessarily see the new themes as a replacement for the old logo concepts but more as a way to bring those abstract ideals into a message that's easier to identify with. The "old" slogans are kind of ivory tower (or hippie depending on your viewpoint) like where as the new slogans more directly map to actions and benefits for contributors and users. Where ever possible I'd like to try and reference the values when talking about any of our achievements. Say when we do a feature related to the creative commons we can talk about how this new Feature (direct benefit to the user) will aid artist in creating infinite combinations of content... and their voice heard... you get the idea. Russell From snavin at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 26 06:22:19 2008 From: snavin at fedoraproject.org (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:52:19 +0530 Subject: Fedora event in Sri Lanka Message-ID: Sorry for the late notice https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SriLanka/NIE I need the official fedora slides theme? -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:35:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:35:52 -0400 Subject: four f's iconography In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130808251815g142d89a2v9abd71a80d75fb6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48AEE3E4.7050709@fedoraproject.org> <48AF028C.1010601@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130808251815g142d89a2v9abd71a80d75fb6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219750552.27383.29.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 21:15 -0400, Russell Harrison wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > Mostly, I guess. Tbh, I don't have much of a clue about these things, just > > my gut feeling! The only thing that still concerns me is that as a > > particular campaign, the feel of the four fs is a little too similar to that > > of f-i-v. Most campaigns integrate the existing brand into their new > > message, using well known logos coupled with new material. Wish I could come > > up with some examples... > > I think we should be able to do this. For instance the voice bubble > could be featured quite prominently in both the freedom and friends > concepts. Infinity plays into both features and firsts, and freedom > is the obvious transition. I don't necessarily see the new themes as > a replacement for the old logo concepts but more as a way to bring > those abstract ideals into a message that's easier to identify with. > The "old" slogans are kind of ivory tower (or hippie depending on your > viewpoint) like where as the new slogans more directly map to actions > and benefits for contributors and users. Where ever possible I'd like > to try and reference the values when talking about any of our > achievements. Say when we do a feature related to the creative > commons we can talk about how this new Feature (direct benefit to the > user) will aid artist in creating infinite combinations of content... > and their voice heard... you get the idea. I think all the icons lend themselves to including the Fedora infinity bubble logo except for (possibly) the gears. The gears could probably have a logo stamped on them, but it might obscure the fact that they're gears, since you expect gears to have a hole in the center where an axle fits. If the features were a butler with a covered dish, the dish's cover could have a Fedora logo on it, or the butler could be lifting the cover to reveal a logo on the platter underneath. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How about now? -- Rex From danishka at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 16:14:52 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:44:52 +0530 Subject: Approaching for a Fedora migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, Actually they were interested on Ubuntu as they have free shipping process. But I have explain them about other features in Fedora. Especially only Fedora support Sinhala language by default (without setting repositories). But still Ubuntu unable to fix that issue. But unfortunately we don't have free shipping process. As the Fedora Free Media Country coordinator and Ambassador I need all your help to achieve this. Due to unlimited Ubuntu distribution, community also moving to Ubuntu. In a developing country this is much harder target. :( On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: > Folks, > > I am trying to migrate 10,000 boxes in Sri Lanka. > Need assistance from team leads of Ambassadors project and the Fedora > Marketing. > > Please contact me off the list. > > -- > Danishka Navin > -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 27 02:24:02 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:54:02 +0530 Subject: Approaching for a Fedora migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B4BAC2.4030000@fedoraproject.org> Danishka Navin wrote: > But unfortunately we don't have free shipping process. > As the Fedora Free Media Country coordinator and Ambassador I need all > your help to achieve this. It is not clear to me what sort of help you are looking for. If you are seeking assistance, being more specific is a good thing and you should probably get local people to assist you. Rahul From david at gnsa.us Wed Aug 27 02:58:01 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:58:01 -0400 Subject: Policy RFC: Dealing with Media (and no I don't mean CD/DVDs) Message-ID: Larry Cafiero has put a draft of dealing with the media up on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Draft/NewsMedia_HowTo That brought up the point of what's the policy for our dealing with the press. Quaid pointed out that @redhat types have some limits due to SEC and similar regulations regarding making press statements that may alter stock price. However there doesn't appear to be a polcy for @fp.o types. Quaid submitted the following: "You do the right thing and publicize you see fit; represent the project well; on Big Things , coordinate with Marketing." I believe that is a good basis for beginning a policy. Please discuss, comment, flame, argue, and lets get something ready to present to the Fedora Board so they put their blessing on it. From stickster at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:19:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:19:16 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Policy RFC: Dealing with Media (and no I don't mean CD/DVDs) In-Reply-To: References: <96365e610808262127h8edb6cbkbf3e226210264c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219843156.18234.32.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 08:52 -0400, David Nalley wrote: > What I fear is that at some point there something will rub someone the > wrong way. I'd far rather have the opportunity to define the policy > that gets applied to us than live with whatever policy is born out of > reaction. That being said if the group consensus is that we remain > laissez-faire then that's fine too. David, There's a good opportunity here for Ambassadors to work with the overall Marketing group. Ambassadors regularly speak to the public, since that's part of the natural responsibilities they willingly take on. In dealing with print and broadcast media, of course it's very helpful for Ambassadors to be thoroughly familiar with the Fedora marketing plan, our overview, and general tips on how to be an effective interview subject. The idea is not to tie Ambassadors down so that they need approval for local media contacts. Rather, it's to make them confident in answering tough questions like "Why should people care?" and "What makes Fedora different?" in constructive, positive ways. I think many Ambassadors do this very well already, but like anything else it's a skill one develops, and we can help each other develop that skill. The Fedora Marketing group is always available to assist. We should encourage collaboration and partnership between Ambassadors and Marketing overall to make our public contacts as meaningful, positive, and cohesive as possible. ` -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:32:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:32:50 +0000 Subject: Policy RFC: Dealing with Media (and no I don't mean CD/DVDs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219843970.18234.43.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 22:58 -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Larry Cafiero has put a draft of dealing with the media up on the wiki: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Draft/NewsMedia_HowTo > > > That brought up the point of what's the policy for our dealing with the press. > Quaid pointed out that @redhat types have some limits due to SEC and > similar regulations regarding making press statements that may alter > stock price. > > However there doesn't appear to be a polcy for @fp.o types. > > Quaid submitted the following: "You do the right thing and publicize > you see fit; represent the project well; on Big Things , coordinate > with Marketing." > > I believe that is a good basis for beginning a policy. Please discuss, > comment, flame, argue, and lets get something ready to present to the > Fedora Board so they put their blessing on it. I put some thoughts out in response to an earlier thread here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-August/msg00151.html Here are the needs I think we should balance: * Ambassadors need to feel they have the ability to represent the Fedora Project effectively. In some cases that includes local media, whether they're included proactively or just because they happen to be present at events. * The project as a whole needs to have its message relayed clearly and without muddling by the people who represent it. * The Ambassadors and Marketing groups, among others, need to be able to review how these efforts are going so we can help Project contributors who need it, and identify and recognize those who do well. * We all need to respect the fact that we each represent the Project every day, whether it's by posting on mailing lists, chatting on IRC, or emailing friends and colleagues about Fedora matters. In some sense everything we do is a media contact, and over-regulating those exchanges isn't the best way to encourage the openness, transparency, and responsibility we demand of each other. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at gnsa.us Wed Aug 27 14:01:24 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Policy RFC: Dealing with Media (and no I don't mean CD/DVDs) In-Reply-To: <1219843156.18234.32.camel@victoria> References: <96365e610808262127h8edb6cbkbf3e226210264c79@mail.gmail.com> <1219843156.18234.32.camel@victoria> Message-ID: 2008/8/27 Paul W. Frields : > On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 08:52 -0400, David Nalley wrote: >> What I fear is that at some point there something will rub someone the >> wrong way. I'd far rather have the opportunity to define the policy >> that gets applied to us than live with whatever policy is born out of >> reaction. That being said if the group consensus is that we remain >> laissez-faire then that's fine too. > > David, > > There's a good opportunity here for Ambassadors to work with the overall > Marketing group. Ambassadors regularly speak to the public, since > that's part of the natural responsibilities they willingly take on. In > dealing with print and broadcast media, of course it's very helpful for > Ambassadors to be thoroughly familiar with the Fedora marketing plan, > our overview, and general tips on how to be an effective interview > subject. > > The idea is not to tie Ambassadors down so that they need approval for > local media contacts. Rather, it's to make them confident in answering > tough questions like "Why should people care?" and "What makes Fedora > different?" in constructive, positive ways. I think many Ambassadors do > this very well already, but like anything else it's a skill one > develops, and we can help each other develop that skill. > > The Fedora Marketing group is always available to assist. We should > encourage collaboration and partnership between Ambassadors and > Marketing overall to make our public contacts as meaningful, positive, > and cohesive as possible. > ` Paul, My experience is that most Ambassadors are also members of Marketing. IIRC many moons ago joining the Marketing project was recommended on the Ambassadors join page. While I think there is probably more of disconnect between the two groups than previously existed there are still many people who are in both groups. But I should go back and talk about why we decided to plod down this path - last night after introing Larry's page - (around the 9:15 timestamp) Jack said: "the general stance is we should get stuff cleared with someone before we do anything with media" http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-August/msg00411.html Then we started looking for policy, and it seemed none existed, but might have been an unwritten rule. Then we didn't know who was supposed to clear stuff - do we get marketing's blessing, or FAmSCo or the Board or?? So maybe what we need is more guidance (that after the fact gets documented) than a policy - so let me pose a couple of use cases: 1. I am holding a Release Party and want to get some local media attention and desire to send a Press Release to $localmediaoutlet announcing that there is a Fedora Release Party occurring. Do I need any special authority or clearance? 2. I am asked to be interviewed about the Fedora Project by $mediaoutlet - Do I need any special authority or clearance? 3. What if it goes above local - suppose #2 is a $syndicatedbroadcastmediaoutlet or a $nationaloutlet - does that change things?, and if it does, at what point does it change? The pragmatist in me says that the fact that I am a member of the Fedora Project, have a fp.o email, and can go around talking about/representing Fedora to LUGs, conferences etc. makes any special authority or clearance meaningless. That said I could certainly understand that such actions might generate angst with traditional marketing types, specifically among RH's marketing group. Certainly getting to #3 there would almost of a necessity (one would hope) be some coordination with Marketing and others, but from a standpoint of getting things done - do we need to have a checklist that has a line saying "Get permission from $authentity" ? From danishka at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 15:56:16 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:26:16 +0530 Subject: Approaching for a Fedora migration In-Reply-To: References: <48B4BAC2.4030000@fedoraproject.org> <49364.190.50.216.15.1219849811.squirrel@www.proyectofedora.org> <48B572D4.6080400@fedoraproject.org> <539333cb0808270837w38af0466j8e489b7ae0c4c92e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear all, This is for schools. and they don't have good band width for network installation and technical knowledge. Means each and every lab administrator doesn't have GNU/Linux Administration skills. But at least we need 1500 media dicks. I mean still I am talking with officials, and if we can approach early as possible. We can move 10k Boxes in to Fedora. Why our community selected Ubuntu? coz they do free shipping. Nobody want to wait till 3rd of the each month. Really we are far behind them. We have good stuff with in our each and every releases. But only techniques used to download latest release, and compare each other. During last year I was trying to keep non techy's on Fedora 8. Might this is not applicable for your region. More over... We should find out why people not coming to Fedora or why people moving out from Fedora. Now in my country BIA is operating. And it is good chance to spread Fedora. We always talking on what's New in Fedora next release. Why not what's new in marketing? frankly telling I don't know the Fedora market share.. :( -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it isn't, should it be? > But I should go back and talk about why we decided to plod down this > path - last night after introing Larry's page - (around the 9:15 > timestamp) Jack said: "the general stance is we should > get stuff cleared with someone before we do anything with media" > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-August/msg00411.html Allow me a scenario: I'd hate to be Jack or whomever has to field, oh, hundreds of requests answering "Can I send a press release to my local media, please?" in the advent of F10 release party/installfests, for example; not to mention having to read and check off on each of them. An extreme example? Possibly, but in my opinion it's not unreasonable to think that every ambassador is a potential local -- local -- media contact representing Fedora. So again, let me repeat that the idea and execution for the wiki stems from helping LOCAL ambassadors deal with LOCAL media. In my opinion, having Fedora ambassadors who can deal with local media and maintain a relationship with local media in the area only helps us going forward, and is the purpose behind my developing this resource for ambassadors. > The pragmatist in me says that the fact that I am a member of the > Fedora Project, have a fp.o email, and can go around talking > about/representing Fedora to LUGs, conferences etc. makes any special > authority or clearance meaningless. +1 -- If you can trust us to talk to LUGs and conferences, we should be entrusted with talking to local media on Fedora events that happen locally. Clearly, as David pointed out in an earlier e-mail (not copied here), if things are pushed "upstairs" to a regional or national level, coverage-wise, someone with more authority may need to be involved, and an ambassador could use either common sense or guidelines on when to kick a story back to someone with media authority. Normally, I vote for common sense, but I understand that guidelines may be in order for an organization this large, if for no other reason than to cut down on the "loose cannon" syndrome. Larry Cafiero From gdk at redhat.com Thu Aug 28 14:57:34 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora marketing meeting, 3pm EST today. Message-ID: See you all there. #fedora-mktg, irc.freenode.net. --g From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 30 02:40:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:10:06 +0530 Subject: VIA releases open source Xorg driver Message-ID: <48B8B306.9050501@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://lwn.net/Articles/296221/ Harald Welte reports in a blog post that VIA has released an open source Xorg driver for their integrated graphics chips. "I am very happy to see this! It's one more step that VIA has been working on to improve and show their support for Free Software and Linux. Please notice that this driver (as opposed to VIA's proprietary binary-only Xorg driver) has no support for 3D, hardware video codec or TV encoder support. Nevertheless, it is a big step ahead." Rahul From brendontoogood at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 03:03:09 2008 From: brendontoogood at gmail.com (brendon) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:03:09 +1200 Subject: VIA releases open source Xorg driver In-Reply-To: <48B8B306.9050501@fedoraproject.org> References: <48B8B306.9050501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220065389.2614.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> that is very good news especially for the open source community. On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 08:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://lwn.net/Articles/296221/ > > Harald Welte reports in a blog post that VIA has released an open source > Xorg driver for their integrated graphics chips. "I am very happy to see > this! It's one more step that VIA has been working on to improve and > show their support for Free Software and Linux. Please notice that this > driver (as opposed to VIA's proprietary binary-only Xorg driver) has no > support for 3D, hardware video codec or TV encoder support. > Nevertheless, it is a big step ahead." > > Rahul > From frankly3d at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 11:40:40 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:40:40 +0100 Subject: Fedora - Ireland (maybe ot-ish) Message-ID: <48B931B8.4090703@gmail.com> Hi gang, 1: Am wondering what the reaction would be to setting up a Fedora-Ireland u\g. Seem to be lagging behind U again http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ 1b: Should, I try get web-space myself (who know nothing of webbing) or try get something within fedora webspace. 2: Looking at "Camara" http://www.camara.ie/ What would be the opinion, of Fedora Ambassador(s)\ug, (namely me at the moment). Getting involved with the Camara project, (Ubuntu Based) but been involved as Fedora Reps. The general idea, being to try setup a local office in the "South-East" Ireland. As they currently have Belfast and Dublin. I have signed up for sfd, to get the fell of what going on and make new contacts. Frank PS: please update any gpg keys to keyid: 46F74662 -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 13:46:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:46:29 -0600 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors Message-ID: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Aug 30 22:36:08 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:36:08 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> Message-ID: 2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields : > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > That's my opinion: 1) Active or inactive vendors (are the versions they are shipping the newest or are they solding FC3?) 2) Are they applying a "high" prize (all we know the cost of media production and the earning from each CD/DVD distributed) I don't know if those criteria could fit your request, personally I think those are the first two ones I take care of. Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 00:26:22 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:26:22 -0600 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1220142382.11205.2.camel@victoria> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 00:36 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields : > > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > > > > That's my opinion: > > 1) Active or inactive vendors (are the versions they are shipping the > newest or are they solding FC3?) > > 2) Are they applying a "high" prize (all we know the cost of media > production and the earning from each CD/DVD distributed) What about vendors that generate complaints from customers? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields : > > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > 2) Are they applying a "high" prize (all we know the cost of media > production and the earning from each CD/DVD distributed) -1 If you really think that someone is overcharging for duplication and shipping then do what people have been doing for, well, a very long time: compete. Let the market decide who to buy from, not the supplier. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 07:47:39 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:47:39 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <48BA4C9B.3090400@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > > Looking at the various replies. Without knowing the actual complaint(s). It's difficult, to make a judgement. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors "Remember, we do reserve the right to refuse or modify any listing at any time and for any reason." 1: As it's the Fedora "Brand", an apology as appropriate. (!) Reasoning, the vendor is acting on behalf of Fedora, Remember IANAL. (2) Can replacement media be sent via freemedia? contact Thomas (3) More Info please, on issues that are important and that can affect Fedora, don't ask for blind decisions. (!) I know the question wouldn't have been asked if not deemed necessary, but notwithstanding.....the jury hasn't been to court. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking in something similar but cover all the spanish user groups, focus in one hispanic portal like other open source communities as http://es.opensolaris.org (OpenSolaris Hispano) but in this way => http://es.fedoraproject.org (Fedora Hispano). Thus, with his own mail-list and irc-channel. What do you thinking about? Regards. http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com 2008/8/30 Frank Murphy > Hi gang, > > 1: Am wondering what the reaction would be to setting up a > Fedora-Ireland u\g. Seem to be lagging behind U again > http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ > > 1b: Should, I try get web-space myself (who know nothing of webbing) > or try get something within fedora webspace. > > > 2: Looking at "Camara" http://www.camara.ie/ > What would be the opinion, of Fedora Ambassador(s)\ug, (namely me at the > moment). Getting involved with the Camara project, (Ubuntu Based) > but been involved as Fedora Reps. > The general idea, being to try setup a local office in the "South-East" > Ireland. As they currently have Belfast and Dublin. > > > > I have signed up for sfd, to get the fell of what going on and make new > contacts. > > Frank > > PS: please update any gpg keys to keyid: 46F74662 > > -- > gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( > Skype: Frankly3D > http://www.frankly3d.com > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pandey.pandey at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 11:57:59 2008 From: pandey.pandey at gmail.com (Rajesh Pandey) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:42:59 +0545 Subject: Linux popularity across the globe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good to hear this :) 2008/8/22 Angel > *Linux popularity across the globe*: http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=340 > > > The Linux landscape is constantly changing and has a strong community of > both developers and users. But where is Linux the most popular, and where > are the different Linux distributions the most popular? > > To try to answer these questions, we have looked at data from Google with > the highly useful Insights for Search, which gave us a number of interesting > and often surprising results. > > Aside from just looking at Linux itself, we have included eight common > Linux distributions in this survey: Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Red > Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Gentoo. > > ..................................................... > > *Some interesting observations*: > > * Ubuntu is most popular in Italy and Cuba. > * OpenSUSE is most popular in Russia and the Czech Republic. > * Red Hat is most popular in Bangladesh and Nepal. > * Debian is most popular in Cuba. > * Cuba is in the top five (interest-wise) of three of the eight > distributions in this survey. > * Indonesia is in the top five of four of the distributions. > * Russia and the Czech Republic are in the top five of five of the > distributions. > * The United States is not in the top five of any of the distributions. > > Note again that when we say "popular" here, we mean how popular the search > term is. After all, this is based on Google search data. > > ..................................................... > > *Countries with highest interest in Fedora*: > > 1. Sri Lanka > 2. Bangladesh > 3. India > 4. Nepal > 5. Zimbabwe > > Dig deeper into Google's search statistics for Fedora here. > > > Google Insights for search Linux: > http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=linux&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0xC4639705 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Rajesh Pandey Nepal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > > They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or > other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. > > If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a > committee discussion on this item. Agreed, but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. How it affects Fedora overall? Get a bad car, who gets the shoulder. Frank From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 31 13:07:47 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:07:47 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <48BA9432.5020601@gmail.com> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <48BA9432.5020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220188067.3373.5.camel@horton.nool> > > They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or > > other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. > > > > If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a > > committee discussion on this item. > > Agreed, > but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. > How it affects Fedora overall? > I agree to this idea. Like Max said, there's no need to ask a committee if we can remove them. But when removing, we should notify someone somewhere at least for traceability. A bit like what I could see from the last weeks I spent in #fedora-ops When an op wants to ban someone, he does. And he notifies others ops in #fedora-ops. This way, we all know that person A was banned, why he was, if we should also ban him from other chans, etc... We can then discuss the decision if we want, but there's no need to. Something like that could be good for distributors too. For example, if a distributor comes to complain to me to discuss his removal, I have all infos to explain him the decision of his removal. 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But where is Linux the most popular, and where >> are the different Linux distributions the most popular? >> >> To try to answer these questions, we have looked at data from Google with >> the highly useful Insights for Search, which gave us a number of interesting >> and often surprising results. >> >> Aside from just looking at Linux itself, we have included eight common >> Linux distributions in this survey: Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Red >> Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Gentoo. >> >> ..................................................... >> >> *Some interesting observations*: >> >> * Ubuntu is most popular in Italy and Cuba. >> * OpenSUSE is most popular in Russia and the Czech Republic. >> * Red Hat is most popular in Bangladesh and Nepal. >> * Debian is most popular in Cuba. >> * Cuba is in the top five (interest-wise) of three of the eight >> distributions in this survey. >> * Indonesia is in the top five of four of the distributions. >> * Russia and the Czech Republic are in the top five of five of the >> distributions. >> * The United States is not in the top five of any of the >> distributions. >> >> Note again that when we say "popular" here, we mean how popular the search >> term is. After all, this is based on Google search data. >> >> ..................................................... >> >> *Countries with highest interest in Fedora*: >> >> 1. Sri Lanka >> 2. Bangladesh >> 3. India >> 4. Nepal >> 5. Zimbabwe >> >> Dig deeper into Google's search statistics for Fedora here. >> >> >> Google Insights for search Linux: >> http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=linux&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q >> >> >> -- >> Angel >> GPG key: 0xC4639705 >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Rajesh Pandey > Nepal > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 13:24:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:24:38 -0600 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220188067.3373.5.camel@horton.nool> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <48BA9432.5020601@gmail.com> <1220188067.3373.5.camel@horton.nool> Message-ID: <1220189078.28116.9.camel@victoria> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 15:07 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > > They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or > > > other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. > > > > > > If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a > > > committee discussion on this item. > > > > Agreed, > > but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. > > How it affects Fedora overall? > > > I agree to this idea. > > Like Max said, there's no need to ask a committee if we can remove them. > But when removing, we should notify someone somewhere at least for > traceability. > > A bit like what I could see from the last weeks I spent in #fedora-ops > > When an op wants to ban someone, he does. And he notifies others ops in > #fedora-ops. This way, we all know that person A was banned, why he was, > if we should also ban him from other chans, etc... We can then discuss > the decision if we want, but there's no need to. > > Something like that could be good for distributors too. For example, if > a distributor comes to complain to me to discuss his removal, I have all > infos to explain him the decision of his removal. Since the vendor in question hasn't responded to my attempt (or the customer's attempts) to contact them, I'm happy to note it here publicly now: LinuxOnline.biz apparently shipped a customer a Fedora CD set in which the media will not verify in any of the customer's systems. Beyond that, the customer claims to have tried to contact the vendor repeatedly with no response. I've tried contacting the vendor as well with no response. Note that I apparently don't have any access to edit the Distribution/ hierarchy on the wiki, so someone will need to remove this vendor for me. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 13:28:04 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:28:04 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220189078.28116.9.camel@victoria> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <48BA9432.5020601@gmail.com> <1220188067.3373.5.camel@horton.nool> <1220189078.28116.9.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <48BA9C64.8010806@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 15:07 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > Since the vendor in question hasn't responded to my attempt (or the > customer's attempts) to contact them, I'm happy to note it here publicly > now: > > LinuxOnline.biz apparently shipped a customer a Fedora CD set in which > the media will not verify in any of the customer's systems. Beyond > that, the customer claims to have tried to contact the vendor repeatedly > with no response. I've tried contacting the vendor as well with no > response. > > Note that I apparently don't have any access to edit the Distribution/ > hierarchy on the wiki, so someone will need to remove this vendor for > me. > > Has the customer received replacement mediu from Fedora? If not send me his details off-list. Free-Media hat. Frank From david at gnsa.us Sun Aug 31 13:43:51 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:43:51 -0400 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> Message-ID: There should be a clear owner - perhaps FAmSCo (they are already supposed to be the public face) or something similar - that makes decisions about pulling people from the list. And $owner should be identified on the page so people know who to complain to. If there isn't a clear owner things are going to be escalated to you continually. But to more clearly answer the question - a listing should be removed if it the "recommendation" (even though it isn't one) is causing Fedora's reputation to be sullied, or Fedora users to experience grief. Perhaps it can be rectified by a call from someone within the Fedora project, perhaps not. 2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields : > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 15:02:31 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:32:31 +0530 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <78323d480808310802t4d5d1b67k40aee100fe4aed3b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields : > On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? > Do we have a Grievience Cell for dealing with customer dissatisfaction? Vendors should clearly state the quality of the media being used. We also need to distinguish between those who do it for excessive profit and those who do not. The courier/postal charges needs to be fixed too. The rate for Indian vendors should be set at say =<2 DVDs - Rs. 20 Courier - Rs 30 SpeedPost -Rs 25 For larger orders standard discount rates should apply. Vendors should also indicate their duplication capabilities. People who can pay for large quantities of media for use in install fests and such should be able to locate them easily. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc