From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 11:04:18 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:34:18 +0530 Subject: Proprietary Firmware and the Pursuit of a Free Kernel Message-ID: <4933C4B2.3080703@fedoraproject.org> Hi In Fedora 10, there is a kernel-firmware package so you can exclude *-firmware in yum.conf if you are concerned about this. The work is close to getting completed. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3787736_1 "According to Woodhouse, such solutions are in keeping with the modern kernel practice of removing firmware from the kernel. New drivers already follow this practice, and old ones are being rewritten to follow it in what he calls largely routine "janitorial work to bring drivers up to date with how we do things these days." "There are plenty of technical reasons why it's better to do that," Woodhouse says. "It's much easier to change firmware and experiment with it, and it avoids taking up unswappable kernel memory for something which is only required occasionally." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 11:05:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:35:44 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 proves infrastructure matter Message-ID: <4933C508.80903@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/154253 "Except for the codec advisor, little in Fedora 10 is radically new. However, if you imagine that means the release has nothing to offer, you are wrong. Improvements to infrastructure may not immediately capture the imagination, but fixing and streamlining subsystems and laying the groundwork for future improvements soon adds up. Users may overlook a single new feature any time they aren't using it, but basic improvements are obvious all the time, and Fedora 10 has so many that you can't help noticing the improvements constantly. Fedora 10 is the first release of any distribution in a long time that has actually felt like an upgrade to me. With more hardware detected, increased performance, and improved interfaces, Fedora 10 is an unusually strong release, with tantalizing hints of even better to come." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 11:07:57 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:37:57 +0530 Subject: What's new in Fedora 10 Message-ID: <4933C58D.7040100@fedoraproject.org> Hi, A detailed review of Fedora 10. This is general is referring to "setting the standard" http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/What-s-new-in-Fedora-10--/features/112093 "Fedora 10 ? version name "Cambridge" ? includes state-of-the-art components and offers many new features that are likely to be incorporated into other distributions in the near future." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 11:12:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:42:17 +0530 Subject: An Ubuntu User Takes Fedora 10 for a Test Drive Message-ID: <4933C691.5010903@fedoraproject.org> Hi, If someone has the time, go through this fairly detailed critical review and help point out issues or file bug reports on the user's behalf when it is possible. A good polite response would be helpful. http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/an-ubuntu-user-takes-fedora-10-for-a-test-drive/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 11:14:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:44:24 +0530 Subject: A Visual Desktop Tour of 10 Fedora Releases Message-ID: <4933C710.2070700@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Interesting to look back at the changes http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/visual-desktop-tour-of-10-fedora.html "A Visual Desktop Tour of 10 Fedora Releases Fedora is without doubt one of the most prolific Linux distributions around. In the span of only 5 years, the Fedora Project has already unleashed 10 major versions of Fedora. Let's take a trip down memory lane and have a visual desktop tour of this wonderful distro starting from its inaugural version that was released on November 6, 2003 until its most recent version that was out just a few days ago." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 15:06:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:36:55 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 Message-ID: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Apparently, artwork is considered a waste of time by this user. A response is in order. http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3592.html "Ok, I think they're grasping a bit with some of those to get to 10 new and improved features but I'll allow it since Fedora 10 impressed me as much has it did. But, I won't let them get away with "prettying" features like new artwork and themes. That has nothing to do with functionality, stability, or usability. As far as I'm concerned, that stuff is a grand waste of time for a team bent on improving the operating system. Come on guys, focus here. You're trying to compete with the likes of Windows, Mac, and the other Linux distributions. You're on the right track with improved support for WebCams, video cards, and making software management easier and more intelligent--keep your eyes on the goal of making those kinds of improvements." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 15:07:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:37:08 +0530 Subject: Review: Fedora 10 Message-ID: <4933FD9C.9060609@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/11/review-fedora-10.html "I am generally very impressed with F10: It is certainly a faster distribution than ever before and I appreciate the new, improved PulseAudio. More than anything, however, F10 is a distribution that just feels right, a feeling that comes from the sum of many different parts which have been well chosen, well-implemented and improved where necessary. If you are an experienced Linux user, F10 is well worth spending some time with just for its sheer rounded-out quality; new users, once they get their heads around that multimedia issue, might also find a lot to admire in this excellent release." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 15:07:18 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:37:18 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's Max Spevack On Defending Linux Freedom Message-ID: <4933FDA6.7000502@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/defending-the-flame-of-linux-freedom-483915 "LXF: Was it the community side or the technical side that attracted you more? MS: If I'm going to honest about myself I'd have to say that I was a decent programmer, not a superstar programmer. Even in college there were people who just loved to write code for hours and hours and hours, and those were the best programmers. I liked it and was good enough at it to get good grades, but it wasn't an all-consuming passion for me. I always kind of thought that I would be in a technical company but in a managerial, a leadership type of role, so looking back it doesn't necessarily surprise me that this is the job I've ended up in. I live in awe of our brilliant engineers and the things they can do. " Slashdot: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/23/1349227 Rahul From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 16:04:02 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Apparently, artwork is considered a waste of time by this user. A > response is in order. > > http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3592.html > > "Ok, I think they're grasping a bit with some of those to get to 10 new > and improved features but I'll allow it since Fedora 10 impressed me as > much has it did. > > But, I won't let them get away with "prettying" features like new > artwork and themes. That has nothing to do with functionality, > stability, or usability. As far as I'm concerned, that stuff is a grand > waste of time for a team bent on improving the operating system. > > Come on guys, focus here. You're trying to compete with the likes of > Windows, Mac, and the other Linux distributions. You're on the right > track with improved support for WebCams, video cards, and making > software management easier and more intelligent--keep your eyes on the > goal of making those kinds of improvements." My one-liner response would be: "It's not just about *software* freedom, but using that free software to produce free media." ~m From che666 at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 16:14:03 2008 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:14:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/12/1 M?ir??n Duffy : > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Apparently, artwork is considered a waste of time by this user. A response >> is in order. >> >> http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3592.html >> >> "Ok, I think they're grasping a bit with some of those to get to 10 new >> and improved features but I'll allow it since Fedora 10 impressed me as much >> has it did. >> >> But, I won't let them get away with "prettying" features like new artwork >> and themes. That has nothing to do with functionality, stability, or >> usability. As far as I'm concerned, that stuff is a grand waste of time for >> a team bent on improving the operating system. >> >> Come on guys, focus here. You're trying to compete with the likes of >> Windows, Mac, and the other Linux distributions. You're on the right track >> with improved support for WebCams, video cards, and making software >> management easier and more intelligent--keep your eyes on the goal of making >> those kinds of improvements." > > My one-liner response would be: "It's not just about *software* freedom, but > using that free software to produce free media." > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > a simple explanation that the art team probably wouldnt be able to improve web cam support in the kernel would be enough for sure. his argumentation doesent make sense. From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:07:51 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:07:51 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7a0d56080812011007h19a846cdlbd59fc31e2df24d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > > a simple explanation that the art team probably wouldnt be able to > improve web cam support in the kernel would be enough for sure. his > argumentation doesent make sense. That's seems to be an ongoing problem with Ken Hess' blogs -- every one I've read so far makes little or no sense. A perfect example is this: In a blog before this one he states that Steve Ballmer loves Linux because, in a nutshell, it gives him something to hate. Huh? So you might want to consider the source when responding, and Rudolf's suggestion to point out this small dose of reality is a good one. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:30:36 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:30:36 -0900 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:04 AM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > My one-liner response would be: "It's not just about *software* freedom, but > using that free software to produce free media." Here's my 1023-liner response: Where did he see improved artwork as a "feature"? He doesn't reference any of our own materials. I'm not sure where he's getting his 10 point featurelist from actually. It doesn't correlate with our F10 Feature wikipage nor with the release notes as far as I can see. If he's read in some of our press materials that the release thematic artwork is a "feature" that's probably something we should avoid doing. If we are going to have a featuring process, then we should try real hard to draw from that feature list in press material. But I can't find where we made that sort of oopsie. I'm not saying that artwork isn't important, in my mind our release artwork creations are akin to album cover artwork you find on really good concept albums (though that analogy maybe out-dated in the new age of digital music.) I wouldn't call the Beatle's album cover artwork "features" of the album, but at the same time I wouldn't be real thrilled if all the albums were incrementally polished version of the Abbey Road or White Album covers. I'm just saying that we should be clear and consistent about terminology. If we are going to talk about features at release time then we should try to make sure we stick to the ones that go through the feature process. And that may mean we make sure we find a way to talk about artwork as something different. It could be that we aren't talking about the artwork process enough, and people are just lumping it in with features because we haven't given them a mental framework on which to hang their opinionated window dressing about our artwork. So if the core ideal behind our artwork process is M?ir??n's one-liner above... that its an expression of the believe that free(libre) media content matters... how do we better communicate that in a way that doesn't get confused with our featuring process? I think we really have to find a way to ween operating system "reviewers" from talking about artwork in the same context as they talk about boot speed. The 'free media content matters' discussion is worth having.. and the ' os reviewer' soapbox stadium may not be equipped to have it. How do we get people talking about our artwork process in more useful way? People who care about supporting and creating collaborative media but don't care so much about technical bits of throwing a linux distribution together? -jef From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:42:47 2008 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:42:47 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90812011042k27055bf4p783544a2b899747e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Apparently, artwork is considered a waste of time by this user. A response > is in order. > > http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3592.html > > "Ok, I think they're grasping a bit with some of those to get to 10 new and > improved features but I'll allow it since Fedora 10 impressed me as much has > it did. > > But, I won't let them get away with "prettying" features like new artwork > and themes. That has nothing to do with functionality, stability, or > usability. As far as I'm concerned, that stuff is a grand waste of time for > a team bent on improving the operating system. > > Come on guys, focus here. You're trying to compete with the likes of > Windows, Mac, and the other Linux distributions. You're on the right track > with improved support for WebCams, video cards, and making software > management easier and more intelligent--keep your eyes on the goal of making > those kinds of improvements." > > Rahul > If Fedora is trying to compete with the likes of Windows, Mac, and other Linux distros, as he states, then the logical goal to be drawn from that statement is truly to expand the number of people using Fedora. I don't think anyone can say that focusing on improving the user experience as far as the "prettying" features is a bad idea to get new users; making things just look nice and more organized has been a good part of why Apple is now in the double-digits of their market share of PCs. (Obviously there are other factors here, but I'm just being very topical here.) Contributors contribute in different ways. The guy working on making a desktop look nice probably wouldn't be very efficient at making video cards "just work." The fact that other components of the operating system which aren't necessarily absolutely core to increasing functionality only indicates that there is a wider community of people contributing to a variety of improvements - not that all the video-card guys just decided that they'd rather do something else this week. It's like buying a car: If I buy a car, I don't expect to have to mess around with the engine. I expect that it _just works_. However, I'll probably noticing whether it looks nice on the outside. A Nascar driver, on the other hand, probably wants to know everything about the engine, and could care less about how it looks. The pool of Nascar drivers is a lot smaller than the pool of all people driving cars. Same thing for computers - a small portion of the market for PCs, which is a pretty big market, are hard-core, technical people. The majority of the market is composed of general, consumer and business-type end-users. Yes, they want their computer to work, just like I want my car to turn on. But they also need eye appeal - if things look too complicated, or not as nice as what they currently have, they get turned off. For Fedora to expand their user base, the non-technical portion of the market has got to be addressed in some way or another if those users are to be converted. So in my (marketing) perspective, making things look good is very important. I don't care how superficial it sounds - in the end, another user is a good thing, and if they can be converted into a contributor, then even better. :) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:56:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:56:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:30:36AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:04 AM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > My one-liner response would be: "It's not just about *software* freedom, but > > using that free software to produce free media." > > Here's my 1023-liner response: > > Where did he see improved artwork as a "feature"? [...snip...] I think he took this list from the "10 things to love about Fedora 10" press blog entries that ran the week before release. I don't believe we ever referred to this as a feature, although it's clearly something to love. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 20:21:54 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:21:54 +0100 Subject: Fedora distributed on public places... Message-ID: <64b14b300812011221k319caef2rcea2e150575ec815@mail.gmail.com> Hi, we would like to put Fedora in more and more hands. We have the will to do it in our home town (Osijek, Croatia) and have some spare cache to put into blank CD/DVD's and burn them. One thing we lack is some representative box to put Fedora discs into. We would like to put these Fedora boxes on public places like student cafeteria, pubs, pc hardware shops, etc... It would be nice that there would be some text on the box "It's Free - take one". I saw request for "AmbassadorKit Box " on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService There are examples of Ubuntu. We would LOVE to have something similar - or even better than Ubuntu ;) Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 01:14:53 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:14:53 -0900 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910812011714r746eeeeeoc985592aa5f99c51@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/1 Paul W. Frields : > I think he took this list from the "10 things to love about Fedora 10" > press blog entries that ran the week before release. I don't believe > we ever referred to this as a feature, although it's clearly something > to love. Are you referring to this? http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/10-reasons-youll-love-fedora-10/ Doesn't mention artwork at all. So I'm still confused. Is it worth slogging into his article's comment section and ask for him to clarify where he got that ten item list? I'm not sure it is. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 05:06:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:36:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 review Message-ID: <4934C252.4090304@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.montanalinux.org/fedora-10-review.html "It is clear that Fedora improves things from release to release as they help mature the advanced technologies that they are early adopters of. I'm a Fedora fanboy myself so I'm usually not disappointed with any release but I think Fedora 10 overall has been one of their better releases. I don't necessarily recommend Fedora 10 for a complete Linux newbie... but wholeheartedly recommend it for users with 6 months or more of Linux experience... especially for those who like being early adopters of new software technologies. Fedora is also THE distro for those who are considering becoming contributors." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 12:07:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:53 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812011714r746eeeeeoc985592aa5f99c51@mail.gmail.com> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910812011714r746eeeeeoc985592aa5f99c51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202120753.GA8620@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:14:53PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/12/1 Paul W. Frields : > > I think he took this list from the "10 things to love about Fedora 10" > > press blog entries that ran the week before release. I don't believe > > we ever referred to this as a feature, although it's clearly something > > to love. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/10-reasons-youll-love-fedora-10/ > > Doesn't mention artwork at all. So I'm still confused. Is it worth > slogging into his article's comment section and ask for him to clarify > where he got that ten item list? I'm not sure it is. http://press.redhat.com/ -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 12:08:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:08:46 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 review In-Reply-To: <4934C252.4090304@fedoraproject.org> References: <4934C252.4090304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081202120846.GB8620@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:36:26AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.montanalinux.org/fedora-10-review.html > > "It is clear that Fedora improves things from release to release as they > help mature the advanced technologies that they are early adopters of. > I'm a Fedora fanboy myself so I'm usually not disappointed with any > release but I think Fedora 10 overall has been one of their better > releases. > > I don't necessarily recommend Fedora 10 for a complete Linux newbie... > but wholeheartedly recommend it for users with 6 months or more of Linux > experience... especially for those who like being early adopters of new > software technologies. Fedora is also THE distro for those who are > considering becoming contributors." That last bit is music to my ears! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 19:18:57 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:48:57 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project Taking Ideas For Next Release Name Message-ID: <49358A21.5030601@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://ostatic.com/177136-blog/fedora-project-taking-ideas-for-next-release-name "Distribution naming schemes are one of the more humorous aspects of the open source community. Ubuntu uses an adjective followed by an animal name (Intrepid Ibex, Jaunty Jackalope), while Debian names releases after characters in the movie "Toy Story" (Sarge, Etch, Lenny). Fedora's method is a bit more obscure, but no less clever. The Fedora Project is calling for suggestions on what to name Fedora 11" Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:53:16 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:53:16 -0900 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <20081202120753.GA8620@localhost.localdomain> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910812011714r746eeeeeoc985592aa5f99c51@mail.gmail.com> <20081202120753.GA8620@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910812020853r60213259n67fe09491df07843@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/2 Paul W. Frields : > http://press.redhat.com/ Ah... hmmm...it was "a people making a difference" series using the structure of a "f10 features" piece. While release time is a good time to get pieces out in front of people which tell the community collaboration process story we need to be careful that we don't cut across the featuring messaging. I think the review commentator who reacted to this came away with exactly the wrong message that was intended.. since its not obvious that he picked up on the "people making a difference" message nor any of the name dropping and just saw the section headlines which read as a top 10 feature list. Have their been other examples where laypress commentators picked up on this series of posts for subject matter? It would be useful to examine the regurgitated messaging from multiple people to get a better feel for what people took away from this series. -jef From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 20:14:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:14:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812020853r60213259n67fe09491df07843@mail.gmail.com> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> <20081201185612.GV18297@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910812011714r746eeeeeoc985592aa5f99c51@mail.gmail.com> <20081202120753.GA8620@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910812020853r60213259n67fe09491df07843@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202201444.GW8620@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:53:16AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/12/2 Paul W. Frields : > > http://press.redhat.com/ > > Ah... hmmm...it was "a people making a difference" series using the > structure of a "f10 features" piece. > > While release time is a good time to get pieces out in front of people > which tell the community collaboration process story we need to be > careful that we don't cut across the featuring messaging. > > I think the review commentator who reacted to this came away with > exactly the wrong message that was intended.. since its not obvious > that he picked up on the "people making a difference" message nor any > of the name dropping and just saw the section headlines which read as > a top 10 feature list. > > Have their been other examples where laypress commentators picked up > on this series of posts for subject matter? It would be useful to > examine the regurgitated messaging from multiple people to get a > better feel for what people took away from this series. The majority of people watching that particular feed are tech journalists. The only sampling of people we could sanely retrieve would be the sense of what interviewers were asking as a result of those blogs in the final days of the Fedora 10 press push. Our feature list is documented on a specific page and we directed journalists there as well as part of our outreach with the Live USB keys. On the whole they all seemed to get it, which would make this article an anomaly. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Was anyone aware of this and previously looked at their ruby/java code tools to see if they you know actually work on our current releases? references: https://www.osscensus.org/discovery.php http://ossdiscovery.opensource.collab.net/servlets/ProjectProcess?pageID=ImMsTo -jef From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 06:16:14 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:16:14 -0600 Subject: fedora-event-splash Message-ID: <20081203061614.GB16684@gmail.com> Clint Savage (herlo) and I are planning to work on a program for the Ambassadors team called "fedora-event-splash", which will basically act as a home page for web browsers on computers at Fedora booths at events to show users how to get and join Fedora, as well as a general outlook on the Fedora community by aggregating from wherever people in Fedora hang out on the internetwebtubes (i.e., Planet and blog posts, Identi.ca, Flickr, whatever's aggregatable). You can read more at the Request for Resources with Infrastructure at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1026 Let us know if you're interested in helping. TurboGears hackers wanted! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 14:06:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:06:17 -0500 Subject: Video promo for F10 Message-ID: <20081203140617.GD5632@localhost.localdomain> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Fedora_10_A_community_of_the_future Could use some digg love. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sf3dora at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 15:47:16 2008 From: sf3dora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:47:16 +0100 Subject: Video promo for F10 In-Reply-To: <20081203140617.GD5632@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081203140617.GD5632@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <398fedab0812030747p3dd1e675nda4bdd50711652ef@mail.gmail.com> Nice work!! Congratulations! 2008/12/3 Paul W. Frields > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Fedora_10_A_community_of_the_future > > Could use some digg love. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis Projecto Fedora Portugal http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 21:23:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:23:20 -0500 Subject: Board appointment Message-ID: <20081203212320.GO495@localhost.localdomain> During this election season, there are two (2) appointed seats and two (2) community-elected seats open on the Fedora Board. This cycle, Bill Nottingham, Karsten Wade, Matt Domsch, and Jef Spaleta are turning over their seats. These folks have given very generously of their time over the last year -- and in some cases years -- and helped with a great deal of heavy lifting. Thank you, each and every one; the community and I are in your debt! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections/Nominations As you'll see from the URLs above, there is an incredible slate of worthy candidates up for election, and I'm very excited to see people who are interested and passionate in helping drive Fedora forward by helping the Board remove barriers to contribution. Those barriers get reduced steadily over time, but there is always more to do. The elections will begin on 7 December, after a set of town hall meetings where community members can ask the nominees questions. Check the general elections wiki page above for the schedule and details. We have set these meetings up in response to community requests and encourage you to attend as many as you like. You should also feel free to write to individual nominees directly to ask questions that are important to you. The two appointed seats on the Board are nominated by Red Hat and chosen by the FPL. One appointment is held back until after the elections so that the Board's composition can be balanced as needed. The balance of the appointments are announced before elections.[1] For this cycle, Chris Aillon will return to the Board as an appointee. Chris is a long-time Fedora contributor and member of the Red Hat Desktop team, and among other responsibilities he is the maintainer of the ever-popular Mozilla Firefox and related packages in Fedora and in RHEL. Chris served on the Board previously for approximately a year, from summer 2007 to summer 2008.[2] The Board and I welcome him back, and look forward to working with him again. = = = [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/SuccessionPlanning [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/History -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Dec 4 02:21:00 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:21:00 -0500 Subject: OLPC News Fedora 10 Live SD Card for the XO Laptop Message-ID: <49373E8C.2020006@webpath.net> http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/fedora_10_sd_card_xo_laptop.html My article got posted at OLPC News - The cool part is that's not my picture. Someone there must have taken it. ~Karlie From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 03:10:01 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:10:01 -0500 Subject: OLPC News Fedora 10 Live SD Card for the XO Laptop In-Reply-To: <49373E8C.2020006@webpath.net> References: <49373E8C.2020006@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1228360201.29612.107.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 21:21 -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: > http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/fedora_10_sd_card_xo_laptop.html http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Live_SD_Card_for_the_XO_Laptop_One_Laptop_Per_Ch -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From kwade at redhat.com Thu Dec 4 09:56:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:56:40 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081204095640.GM11572@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:30:36AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > So if the core ideal behind our artwork process is M?ir??n's one-liner > above... that its an expression of the believe that free(libre) media > content matters... how do we better communicate that in a way that > doesn't get confused with our featuring process? We have an idiom for that - 'The proof is in the pudding.' A smaller but important part of the release are all the ways we _use_ the release. Just as we build from source, we do everything else from open source and open content. 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Frields) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:30:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 is a 10 In-Reply-To: <20081204095640.GM11572@calliope.phig.org> References: <4933FD8F.7070701@fedoraproject.org> <49340AF2.9050102@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910812011030k6d1c321bl5ddc8dda7a0e86bd@mail.gmail.com> <20081204095640.GM11572@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081204123057.GD25851@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:56:40AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:30:36AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > So if the core ideal behind our artwork process is M?ir??n's one-liner > > above... that its an expression of the believe that free(libre) media > > content matters... how do we better communicate that in a way that > > doesn't get confused with our featuring process? > > We have an idiom for that - 'The proof is in the pudding.' > > A smaller but important part of the release are all the ways we _use_ > the release. Just as we build from source, we do everything else from > open source and open content. > > I agree, we need some terminology that differentiates this special > behavior and output from features. Element, characteristic, quality, specialty, trait.... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bakers at web-ster.com Thu Dec 4 16:14:58 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:14:58 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? Message-ID: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> Back in the RH8 and RH9 days there were some cool images displayed in anaconda during the install process. They were a hot dog and an ice cream cone, or something like that. Once the install started they would pop up and say something like "this may take a while, why don't you go have a snack?" I always thought it was funny, and it showed RedHat's lighter side. That sort of thing probably wouldn't be appropriate for RHEL, but I think it would fit in really well with Fedora. Something silly like that to show that Fedora doesn't take itself too seriously. Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's good marketing! - Scott From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 4 17:02:25 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:02:25 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today, 4 DEC 2008 3PM EST Message-ID: <49380D21.4040406@redhat.com> Hey All, We will be getting together for our regular meeting today, as usual. When: 3PM Eastern Where: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-meeting **PLEASE NOTE The Channel/Venue change! What: The Usual Task @ List http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks , and since we are now post-release we will talk about setting a new agenda... See you then, Jack From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 5 08:26:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:26:39 +0200 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> Message-ID: <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> Scott Baker wrote: > > Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the > install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I > couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog > install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's > good marketing! This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take leadership on it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From che666 at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 11:10:19 2008 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:10:19 +0100 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei : > Scott Baker wrote: >> >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's >> good marketing! > > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take > leadership on it. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. (sure a subjective taste question) kind regards, Rudolf Kastl From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Dec 5 13:07:16 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:07:16 -0300 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the installations process, altough some people think that pretty things dont do good stuff.. but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ? On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei : > > Scott Baker wrote: > >> > >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the > >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly > I > >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog > >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. > That's > >> good marketing! > > > > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in > > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be > > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take > > leadership on it. > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. > (sure a subjective taste question) > > kind regards, > Rudolf Kastl > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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Once I had changed my keyboard/language from US to UK I was presented with a nice (very blue) GNOME desktop. An ?Install to hard drive? shortcut was neatly placed on the desktop to get the installation properly started" Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 13:39:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:39:36 -0500 Subject: Comment follow-up? Message-ID: <20081205133936.GC19651@localhost.localdomain> http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/fedora_10_with_kvm_xen_and_faster_startup/ There are some comments in this article that deserve follow up. Just as Red Hat marketing folks do follow up with press on Red Hat specific articles, it would be good to see our Marketing team have a strategy for following up on articles at sites that frequently cover Fedora news. The key points to answer are: * Do we have such a process right now? (I don't believe so, but there should be.) * How should that process work in a way that guarantees transparency and encourages collaboration and scalability? (In many cases, there will be a pool of answers that will take care of many questions/comments.) This is one of the reasons I was encouraging people on the Marketing team to engage on the questions from Neowin. This team can develop a slate of ready materials for answers to those kinds of questions. A team effort means we can cover more ground. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These are covered in http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-Changes-in-Anaconda http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Changes_in_Anaconda "Well, Fedora/RedHat has always been very picky about letting in software that might be "tainted", so there's no way that the resize code will work on NTFS filesystems." This is incorrect. As noted, in your review, your are commenting about something without even trying it. Fedora has included comprehensive NTFS support for quite a few releases now and has also supported resizing Windows partitions from Fedora 9 onwards. "Whoa! The new "Plymouth" loader is fast! You won't get much in the way of fancy graphics during bootup unless you have a video chipset that is supported with "kernel mode" (currently only some Intel chipsets)." This is only partially correct. Plymouth relies on kernel mode setting support but that is available only for ATI cards and not for Intel ones. Intel was supported in between but there is a rewrite going on in upstream and is still disabled in the general release. You can however get fancy graphics by using vga=0x318 or vga=ask and choosing a appropriate mode which would make Plymouth use framebuffer instead of KMS to display a very cool bootup screen. There is a rewrite of GDM and currently. http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign it just inherits the system settings and does not have separate theming support. The roadmap for changes is at http://live.gnome.org/GDM/ For the Xorg autoconfiguration, we don't need to fallback into manual settings again but instead add the specific hardware information to a database and use that for automatically doing the right thing even if the hardware is old or using analog connections as yours does. Please file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com with the output of /var/log/Xorg.log. We can fix this and send the fix upstream for the benefit for all distributions as well. KDE 4: Again, would be quite useful to get bug report to keep track of the issues and address them PackageKit: The PackageKit daemon is not a regular service and hence it is not managed by the service administration gui. It is a system activated daemon and automatically starts on demand and stops as soon as the task is done. It would be great if you could update your review to include all these information and provide us with some bug reports on the warts you have noted. Once again, thank you for your review. We appreciate your input. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 5 23:07:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:37:35 +0530 Subject: First Look: Fedora 10 OS Message-ID: <4939B437.6040009@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://rcpmag.com/news/article.aspx?editorialsid=10433 "Fedora 10 is one of the most visually attractive distros that I've used in a while. It features GNOME 2.24 with a new blue and silver "Solar" theme. It offers a wide variety of themes and wallpapers, a nice touch for Linux-based distros. All fonts on the Fedora 10 user interface are readable and properly anti-aliased." Rahul From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 13:06:58 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:06:58 +0100 Subject: FEL needs your help Message-ID: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> Hello Fedora Marketing, As you are all already familiar with FEL, I'll skip the introduction. For F-10 FEL development, Aanjhaan and Thibault joined me to maintain FEL, but now they are both very busy. I have many plans and many features for F-11 FEL, but alone (with very little time) I would have to reduce my participation as an ambassador, mentor, package reviewer and support for other opensource communities. I am going to meet (on my own expenses) : * some automotive engineers next weekend to see how Fedora can propose a portfolio "electronic design" for the automotive industry. (e.g. doing measurements: roll, pitch, yaw ...) * some XMOS designers to see how existing opensource tools can embrace XMOS support (sometimes in January). As you can see, I'm looking forward to elevate Fedora status for professional production purposes. If I succeed, I assume that there will many companies, educational institutions and end-users who will be deploying more than 5 Fedora installations at ONE time. This is my fedora marketing strategy. If I have time EPEL repository can also benefit from this, thereby CentOS/RHEL users will also be happy. I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf You will find FEL todo list here (which will be updated with time): http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html So if you think someone could help with Fedora electronic portfolio, please do introduce him/her to FEL's mailing list. I have also another objective: to bring various upstream closer and try to encourage them not to re-invent the wheel but focus on providing industry-class solutions for the opensource community. Of course, fedora will benefit from it first. If time allows, I'll also engage myself (as I promised to Tom Callaway) with some upstream developers to open their software into a GPL-compatible license. So if you know someone with legal skills, please welcome him/her to join the Fedora family. If you know a local blogger about electronics, please propose them to write a blog post about "Fedora and its electronic portfolio". Any help will be greatly appreciated. thank you. Kind regards, Chitlesh From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 6 13:14:05 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:14:05 +0100 Subject: FEL needs your help In-Reply-To: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/6 Chitlesh GOORAH : > I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local > universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them > about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf Sure, I will send, late this evening or tomorrow, an email in Ambassadors List encouraging this. Thank you for FEL Regards Francesco Ugolini From mackay3 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 16:21:41 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:21:41 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if it's the real thing. http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg 2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) > I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the > installations process, altough some people think that pretty things dont do > good stuff.. > but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ? > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > >> 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei : >> > Scott Baker wrote: >> >> >> >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the >> >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly >> I >> >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog >> >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. >> That's >> >> good marketing! >> > >> > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in >> > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be >> > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take >> > leadership on it. >> > >> > -- >> > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. >> (sure a subjective taste question) >> >> kind regards, >> Rudolf Kastl >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgrams at redhat.com Sat Dec 6 17:07:09 2008 From: cgrams at redhat.com (Chris Grams) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:07:09 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> John Mackay wrote: > lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if > it's the real thing. > http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg hi john, yes, that's the real thing. brings back some good memories... best, cdg -- Chris Grams Senior Director, Brand Communications + Design Red Hat > > 2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) > > > I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the > installations process, altough some people think that pretty things > dont do good stuff.. > but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ? > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl > wrote: > > 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei >: > > Scott Baker wrote: > >> > >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that > during the > >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as > exciting. Honestly I > >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember > those hotdog > >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six > years ago. That's > >> good marketing! > > > > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the > hooks in > > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing > may be > > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone > to take > > leadership on it. > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. > (sure a subjective taste question) > > kind regards, > Rudolf Kastl > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > > > > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 18:52:02 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:52:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20081206170010.71E5A61A017@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081206170010.71E5A61A017@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6868920E-2D36-4FA6-A5A6-C7C3F7A51EDF@gmail.com> I am curious about what will be improved and added for F-11... Markus McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA Sent from my iPod linuxglobe.wordpress.com On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:00 PM, fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to > match the original message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Feedback on "The ups and downs of Fedora 10" (Rahul Sundaram) > 2. First Look: Fedora 10 OS (Rahul Sundaram) > 3. FEL needs your help (Chitlesh GOORAH) > 4. Re: FEL needs your help (Francesco Ugolini) > 5. Re: Cool install Icons? (John Mackay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:25:58 +0530 > From: Rahul Sundaram > Subject: Feedback on "The ups and downs of Fedora 10" > To: dsbonnell at yahoo.com > Cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <4939B17E.5050502 at fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Northbear, > > I came across your short review of Fedora 10 at > > http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=498 > > Thank for your review. I would like to add some comments to provide > more > information and correct a few inaccuracies in your article. > > You claim that the installation is almost exactly same as Fedora 8. > Apart from resizing support you have noted, it seems that you have > missed out a number of other changes. These are covered in > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-Changes-in-Anaconda > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Changes_in_Anaconda > > "Well, Fedora/RedHat has always been very picky about letting in > software that might be "tainted", so there's no way that the resize > code > will work on NTFS filesystems." > > This is incorrect. As noted, in your review, your are commenting about > something without even trying it. Fedora has included comprehensive > NTFS > support for quite a few releases now and has also supported resizing > Windows partitions from Fedora 9 onwards. > > "Whoa! The new "Plymouth" loader is fast! You won't get much in the > way > of fancy graphics during bootup unless you have a video chipset that > is > supported with "kernel mode" (currently only some Intel chipsets)." > > This is only partially correct. Plymouth relies on kernel mode setting > support but that is available only for ATI cards and not for Intel > ones. > Intel was supported in between but there is a rewrite going on in > upstream and is still disabled in the general release. You can however > get fancy graphics by using vga=0x318 or vga=ask and choosing a > appropriate mode which would make Plymouth use framebuffer instead of > KMS to display a very cool bootup screen. > > There is a rewrite of GDM and currently. > > http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign > > it just inherits the system settings and does not have separate > theming > support. The roadmap for changes is at > > http://live.gnome.org/GDM/ > > For the Xorg autoconfiguration, we don't need to fallback into manual > settings again but instead add the specific hardware information to a > database and use that for automatically doing the right thing even if > the hardware is old or using analog connections as yours does. Please > file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com with the output of > /var/log/Xorg.log. We can fix this and send the fix upstream for the > benefit for all distributions as well. > > KDE 4: Again, would be quite useful to get bug report to keep track of > the issues and address them > > PackageKit: The PackageKit daemon is not a regular service and hence > it > is not managed by the service administration gui. It is a system > activated daemon and automatically starts on demand and stops as > soon as > the task is done. > > It would be great if you could update your review to include all these > information and provide us with some bug reports on the warts you have > noted. Once again, thank you for your review. We appreciate your > input. > > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:37:35 +0530 > From: Rahul Sundaram > Subject: First Look: Fedora 10 OS > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <4939B437.6040009 at fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > http://rcpmag.com/news/article.aspx?editorialsid=10433 > > "Fedora 10 is one of the most visually attractive distros that I've > used > in a while. It features GNOME 2.24 with a new blue and silver "Solar" > theme. It offers a wide variety of themes and wallpapers, a nice touch > for Linux-based distros. All fonts on the Fedora 10 user interface are > readable and properly anti-aliased." > > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:06:58 +0100 > From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" > Subject: FEL needs your help > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Fedora Marketing, > > As you are all already familiar with FEL, I'll skip the introduction. > > For F-10 FEL development, Aanjhaan and Thibault joined me to maintain > FEL, but now they are both very busy. I have many plans and many > features for F-11 FEL, but alone (with very little time) I would have > to reduce my participation as an ambassador, mentor, package reviewer > and support for other opensource communities. > > I am going to meet (on my own expenses) : > * some automotive engineers next weekend to see how Fedora can propose > a portfolio "electronic design" for the automotive industry. (e.g. > doing measurements: roll, pitch, yaw ...) > * some XMOS designers to see how existing opensource tools can embrace > XMOS support (sometimes in January). > > As you can see, I'm looking forward to elevate Fedora status for > professional production purposes. If I succeed, I assume that there > will many companies, educational institutions and end-users who will > be deploying more than 5 Fedora installations at ONE time. This is my > fedora marketing strategy. If I have time EPEL repository can also > benefit from this, thereby CentOS/RHEL users will also be happy. > > I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local > universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them > about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf > > You will find FEL todo list here (which will be updated with time): > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html > So if you think someone could help with Fedora electronic portfolio, > please do introduce him/her to FEL's mailing list. > > I have also another objective: to bring various upstream closer and > try to encourage them not to re-invent the wheel but focus on > providing industry-class solutions for the opensource community. Of > course, fedora will benefit from it first. > > If time allows, I'll also engage myself (as I promised to Tom > Callaway) with some upstream developers to open their software into a > GPL-compatible license. So if you know someone with legal skills, > please welcome him/her to join the Fedora family. > > If you know a local blogger about electronics, please propose them to > write a blog post about "Fedora and its electronic portfolio". > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > thank you. > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:14:05 +0100 > From: "Francesco Ugolini" > Subject: Re: FEL needs your help > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/12/6 Chitlesh GOORAH : >> I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local >> universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them >> about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. >> http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf > > Sure, I will send, late this evening or tomorrow, an email in > Ambassadors List encouraging this. > > Thank you for FEL > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:21:41 -0600 > From: "John Mackay" > Subject: Re: Cool install Icons? > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno > if it's > the real thing. > http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg > > 2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) > >> I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the >> installations process, altough some people think that pretty things >> dont do >> good stuff.. >> but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ? >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl >> wrote: >> >>> 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei : >>>> Scott Baker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that >>>>> during the >>>>> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. >>>>> Honestly >>> I >>>>> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those >>>>> hotdog >>>>> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. >>> That's >>>>> good marketing! >>>> >>>> This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in >>>> Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may >>>> be >>>> interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to >>>> take >>>> leadership on it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. >>> (sure a subjective taste question) >>> >>> kind regards, >>> Rudolf Kastl >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Atenciosamente, >> Lucas do Amaral >> CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. >> Linux System Administrator Trainee >> Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20081206/03a2bc21/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > **************************************************** From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 19:42:55 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:42:55 -0900 Subject: FEL needs your help In-Reply-To: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910812061142s26f0c206v1830958ad3cdbe87@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local > universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them > about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf Will do. I wonder, is an article about FEL in Make Magazine something we should try to make happen? -jef From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:16:33 2008 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:16:33 -0700 Subject: FEL needs your help In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812061142s26f0c206v1830958ad3cdbe87@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910812061142s26f0c206v1830958ad3cdbe87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90812061216h77386919w29ae636fd398763f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH > wrote: > > I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local > > universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them > > about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. > > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf > > > Will do. > > I wonder, is an article about FEL in Make Magazine something we should > try to make happen? > > -jef Or a booth at CES - or even a roving team of volunteers / ambassadors there. > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vacating the seats on the board this election are Matt Domsch, Jef Spaleta, Bill Nottingham and Karsten Wade. Christopher Aillon was announced as the board's first appointee with the second to be decided after the election. The candidates for this election, in no particular order are: Matt Domsch (mdomsch) Dimitris Glezos (glezos) Michael DeHaan (mpdehaan) Josh Boyer (jwb) David Cantrell (dcantrell) Jon Stanley (jds2001) Bill Nottingham (notting) To vote, you must have a signed Contributor License Agreement (CLA). Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/boardf11 Townhall Logs: * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-04-Board/fedora-townhall.2008-12-04.log.html * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-05-Board/fedora-townhall.2008-12-05.log.html Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Election: ----------------------------------------------- For this election, FESCo will be electing four candidates to sit on the committee. Vacating the seats on FESCo this election are Jarod Wilson, Josh Boyer, Karsten Hopp, and Jon Stanley. The candidates for this election, in no particular order are: Josh Boyer (jwb) Dan Hor?k (sharkcz) Dominik Mierzejewski (rathann) Jon Stanley (jds2001) Jarod Wilson (jwilson) To vote, you must have a signed Contributor License Agreement (CLA) and be a member of any other group. Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/fescof11 Townhall Log: * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-05-FESCo/fedora-townhall.2008-12-05.log.html Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Election: ----------------------------------------------- This election FAmSCo will be electing all 7 seats on the committee. These seats were previously held by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira, Thomas Canniot, Francesco Ugolini, Fabian Affolter, Jeffrey Tadlock, Andreas Rau and John Babich. The candidates for this election, in no particular order are: Sandro Mathys (red_alert) Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) Joerg Simon (kital) Max Spevack (spevack) Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) David Nalley (ke4qqq) Thomas Canniot (MrTom) To vote, you must be a member of the ambassadors group in the Fedora Account System. Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/famscof11 Townhall Log: * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-06-FAMSCo/fedora-townhall.2008-12-06.log.html *** I'd also like to point out the following from Paul Frields' announcement for the June 2008 Board Election: "I'd like everyone voting to remember that this isn't a popularity contest, or a reward system. Think about how you'd like to Board to look when you vote, the same way you think about how you'd like any government body to look when you cast votes for their elections. We have a lot of worthy candidates on this list, and you should pick the ones that you feel will best represent you in advancing the Fedora Project. This is one of numerous ways in which our community makes decisions about the leadership of Fedora. Your vote counts, and I hope you take advantage of it." *** This advice is still valid, not just for the Fedora Board election but for all three elections. Regards, Nigel Jones Fedora Election Admin From jaa at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 12:41:48 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:41:48 -0500 Subject: Neowin Article Meeting Today @ 19:00 UTC Message-ID: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> Hello All, We are going to be getting together today to work on our response to the Neowin.com article. When: 19:00UTC today, thats 2PM Eastern and 11AM Pacific Where: #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net (Note: this is in the marketing channel not #fedora-meeting) What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article Those who volunteered to help thus far are: Bob Jensen Franceso Ugolini Russel Harrison Jack Aboutboul If you volunteered please make time to be there, if you didn't and would like to join us, please feel free to do so. Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 13:22:21 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:22:21 -0500 Subject: Comment follow-up? In-Reply-To: <20081205133936.GC19651@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081205133936.GC19651@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <493D1F8D.9000005@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/fedora_10_with_kvm_xen_and_faster_startup/ > > There are some comments in this article that deserve follow up. Just > as Red Hat marketing folks do follow up with press on Red Hat specific > articles, it would be good to see our Marketing team have a strategy > for following up on articles at sites that frequently cover Fedora > news. > I think this would require a form commitment from a number of people to constantly follow and follow up on press stuff. In fact it should maybe a sub-speciality of the marketing group. > The key points to answer are: > > * Do we have such a process right now? (I don't believe so, but there > should be.) > We do not. > * How should that process work in a way that guarantees transparency > and encourages collaboration and scalability? (In many cases, there > will be a pool of answers that will take care of many > questions/comments.) > Do you think we should really rely on handing people canned responses? Also, to what extent? The problem as I see it is people see the canned responses in the press and they think "hrm, what they cant come up with something else?" What are your thoughts? > This is one of the reasons I was encouraging people on the Marketing > team to engage on the questions from Neowin. This team can develop a > slate of ready materials for answers to those kinds of questions. A > team effort means we can cover more ground. > A team effort does mean we can cover more ground, but might also requires more overhead, right?. For example, you always want to speak with once voice, and often times, when you put together a team on something like this, certain people will disagree on certain points. At what point do you say that the time requirement to establishing a concurring statement amongst all parties outweighs the benefit of having a team effort? Also, out of curiosity of process, just exactly how does Red Hat's PR/Marketing team manage things like this? Jack From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 8 14:21:30 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:21:30 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? Thanks, ~m M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> Charlie Brej wrote: >>> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>>> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Example: >>>>>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.png >>>>>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.svg >>>>>> >>>>> Wow, that's pretty cool! Any idea whether this would reproduce >>>>> faithfully at the T-shirt printer? >>>> >>>> I guess some of the smallest fonts are to small, not sure about the >>>> print, but they will be impossible to read. Maybe adding a stroke >>>> will help with this too. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I accidentally reduced all fonts by 1 which effects the small >>> fonts the most. (now fixed) >>> I also just one of just the fedora logo >>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.png / >>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.svg >> >> Wow this is beautiful!!! >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions for the list of tags that we use? One >> idea we had in #fedora-art yesterday was to use the tags to not only >> give the basic info (january 2009, fudcon, boston, etc) but to relate >> the host city to the four f's of fedora... >> >> freedom (could be used for historical or current freedom-related events): >> boston freedom trail, boston tea party, paul revere's ride ... ? >> >> features (could be used for landmarks or cultural points of interest): >> big dig, zakim bridge, prudential center, museum of fine arts ... ? >> >> friends (famous people in the city or maybe from the city area?): >> mayor thomas menino, governor deval patrick, sen. edward kennedy, >> john f. kennedy ... ? >> >> first (things the city was first at, things that were invented there, >> etc): >> first public library in the US, fire truck invented, small pox >> vaccine invented, spring bed invented, truss-type bridge invented, >> stereoscopic x-rays invented ... ? >> >> What do you think of this idea? > > One thing that might be cool too is each of the four bubbles of the > fudcon logo is associated with one of the four f's.... so all the tags > that relate to freedom could go in one particular fudcon logo bubble... > or we could just use the Fedora logo. Either way :) > From bakers at web-ster.com Mon Dec 8 16:13:17 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:13:17 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> Chris Grams wrote: > John Mackay wrote: >> lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if >> it's the real thing. >> http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg YES! This is the images from back in the day! They were silly and fun, and made me think RedHat wasn't just for stuffy shirts. I'd love to see something like that again. - Scott From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 16:54:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:54:10 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081208165410.GD4566@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston > FUDcon shirt? I like the idea of showing all the things that happen at a FUDCon, such as: fedora (duh) users developers collaborate learn teach share develop use create code style design play socialize meet freedom friends features first Just a start... I would keep verbs in the infinitive or first person, such as "At FUDCon, I/we _____." Nouns are good too though! Is this what you were looking for? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Dec 8 17:05:07 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:05:07 -0300 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> Message-ID: Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Scott Baker wrote: > Chris Grams wrote: > > John Mackay wrote: > >> lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if > >> it's the real thing. > >> > http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Redhat_Linux_Install_Kitchen.jpg > > YES! This is the images from back in the day! They were silly and fun, and > made me think RedHat wasn't just for stuffy shirts. I'd love to see > something like that again. > > - Scott > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 16:46:11 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:46:11 -0500 Subject: Comment follow-up? In-Reply-To: <493D1F8D.9000005@redhat.com> References: <20081205133936.GC19651@localhost.localdomain> <493D1F8D.9000005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081208164611.GB4566@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> * How should that process work in a way that guarantees transparency >> and encourages collaboration and scalability? (In many cases, there >> will be a pool of answers that will take care of many >> questions/comments.) >> > Do you think we should really rely on handing people canned responses? > Also, to what extent? The problem as I see it is people see the canned > responses in the press and they think "hrm, what they cant come up with > something else?" What are your thoughts? It's been quite an eye-opener for me to see how often journalists have the same basic questions. Many of these questions have answers we in the Fedora community take for granted. Explaining them consistently (i.e. the same way every time) makes for a consistent overall press effort, and is definitely a good thing. There is a risk that comes along with any team marketing effort where people do not coordinate the message ahead of time -- the risk of diluting or undercutting the message you're trying to send. Having answers or key talking points written down somewhere easy to access can help cut that risk considerably. >> This is one of the reasons I was encouraging people on the Marketing >> team to engage on the questions from Neowin. This team can develop a >> slate of ready materials for answers to those kinds of questions. A >> team effort means we can cover more ground. >> > A team effort does mean we can cover more ground, but might also > requires more overhead, right?. For example, you always want to speak > with once voice, and often times, when you put together a team on > something like this, certain people will disagree on certain points. At > what point do you say that the time requirement to establishing a > concurring statement amongst all parties outweighs the benefit of having > a team effort? We haven't found that inflection point yet, I don't think, because we've never actually tried doing press responses as a team effort. The payoff comes if, as requests come in, we're able to handle them efficiently and consistently. In this particular case, people here in the Marketing team have *asked* to be part of the process, so I'm trying to include them in a meaningful and fulfilling way. We can put as much effort into this as is desirable to allow collaboration and teamwork to happen. If people decide they do not wish to spend time on this activity, there's nothing wrong with letting it wither, and then that occurrence would be a factor in any future efforts to this end. > Also, out of curiosity of process, just exactly how does Red Hat's > PR/Marketing team manage things like this? That's probably something I would leave to the actual Red Hat folks to answer fully to whatever extent with which they're comfortable, but in the past it's been done through meetings between the FPL, our Red Hat PR agent, and sometimes a few other key people in Marketing and/or Fedora. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 8 17:37:59 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:37:59 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> Message-ID: <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what some of the panels could be about? ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:06:15 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:06:15 -0700 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: >> Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D > > Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what > some of the panels could be about? Why not focus on the four f's? Freedom - Explain why freedom is important Friends - Tell your friends about Fedora Features - From openoffice to gimp, apache to netfilter, Fedora has all the great free software First - Fedora leads, never follows what do you think? I also like the idea of something to entertain a user for a few minutes while installing. Cheers, Clint From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Dec 8 18:07:34 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:07:34 -0300 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I dont know, I'll talk to a friend of mine and get some ideas >D On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D > > Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what > some of the panels could be about? > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:09:59 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:09:59 -0700 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: >>> Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D >> >> Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what >> some of the panels could be about? > > Why not focus on the four f's? > > Freedom - Explain why freedom is important > Friends - Tell your friends about Fedora > Features - From openoffice to gimp, apache to netfilter, Fedora has > all the great free software > First - Fedora leads, never follows > > what do you think? I also like the idea of something to entertain a > user for a few minutes while installing. > > Cheers, > > Clint > I should also mention that I think if we do something like this, it should be semi-static. In other words, it shouldn't change every release, but changing every 3 or 4 releases wouldn't be bad. Therefore, if the four f's stops becoming our rallying cry, we could move onto something else (and I'm not saying we should move from the four f's, just giving an example here). Hope this help. Clint From slasherzee at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 18:16:08 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:16:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <772118.73973.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > From: M?ir?n Duffy > Subject: Re: Cool install Icons? > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:37 AM > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D > > Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on > what > some of the panels could be about? > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Hey, If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says: partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the possibilities would be unless. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From felix at fetzig.org Mon Dec 8 18:25:35 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:35 +0100 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <493D669F.5@fetzig.org> Clint Savage schrieb: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what >> some of the panels could be about? > > Why not focus on the four f's? I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay definitely humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would make us superior over the other distros :) (Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do between releases :D Felix From bakers at web-ster.com Mon Dec 8 18:31:20 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:31:20 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D669F.5@fetzig.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> <493D669F.5@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493D67F8.5040101@web-ster.com> Felix Kaechele wrote: > I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay definitely > humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would > make us superior over the other distros :) > > (Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do > between releases :D I agree... the whole reason I liked the old hotdog was because they didn't take themselves too seriously. Fedora shouldn't be TOO serious, it should be fun! - Scott From minorsecond at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 01:45:38 2008 From: minorsecond at gmail.com (Ross Wardrup) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:45:38 -0000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ross Wardrup Message-ID: <23231910-51B2-4F1D-ACF4-4BD9374D7193@gmail.com> Hello, My name is Ross Wardrup, and I'm from Denton, Texas, USA. I'm a student at the University of Norht Texas and I'm going to school for computer science. I'm also a produce stocker at Wal-Mart at the moment, which I'm hoping to change soon. I hope to promote Fedora at my university and city and also to help my marketing and people skills, and to help my future career. I'd like to talk about installing Fedora on Apple Macbooks, because that is what I use. I'd like to see greater compatablity with Apple products in Fedora, but with Rawhide, that really doesn't seem to be a problem. I'd also like to try to get into coding once I gain more skill, since that's what I'm being educated for. I have no official qualifications in marketing or promoting, but I have been promoting Linux in general for several years and have gotten at least 10 people to switch over. I think I've got some good ideas on how to promote Fedora at UNT, including getting a booth set up with laptops and letting people "click around" Fedora. Sincerely, Ross Wardrup From nacross at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:49:47 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:47 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493D67F8.5040101@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812060821g18641da8l8cdc20c2a6eb0223@mail.gmail.com> <493AB13D.1020007@redhat.com> <493D479D.4060605@web-ster.com> <493D5B77.9020908@fedoraproject.org> <493D669F.5@fetzig.org> <493D67F8.5040101@web-ster.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Scott Baker wrote: > Felix Kaechele wrote: >> I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay definitely >> humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would >> make us superior over the other distros :) >> >> (Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do >> between releases :D > > I agree... the whole reason I liked the old hotdog was because they didn't > take themselves too seriously. Fedora shouldn't be TOO serious, it should > be fun! > I really like the idea of not been too serious. I love the idea of the four Fs, but it seems a bit contradictory. The four F's are statements, but to keep the relaxed idea those have to be portrayed funny. I am not sure than it is wise to make fun of our statements. Hence it is why I feel it is contradictory. I strongly agree that entertain images will be better and funny images will be best. I am not sure how much resources may consume animations, I will hate the funniest thing if it delays my installation. Just my thoughts to fuel up the brainstorming. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 8 21:51:20 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:51:20 +0100 Subject: Neowin Article Meeting Today @ 19:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> References: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/8 Jack Aboutboul : > Hello All, > > We are going to be getting together today to work on our response to the > Neowin.com article. > > When: 19:00UTC today, thats 2PM Eastern and 11AM Pacific > Where: #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net (Note: this is in the marketing > channel not #fedora-meeting) > What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article > Thanks, > Jack > To the interested, The first 2 questions were answered, the 3rd one need to be completed. Using the IRC proposals and adding something up, here a possible draft: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article . Feel free to add, remove, change wharever seems not correct or bad written. Regards Francesco Ugolini From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 9 07:40:26 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:40:26 +0200 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <772118.73973.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <772118.73973.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493E20EA.3090604@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static > panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy > juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then > when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says: > partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the possibilities would be unless. Because the code we have support only static panels. Patch Anaconda and we may talk about that... but the next blocker will be producing the animations with Fedora, doable but not easy (advanced Blender or GIFs animated with GIMP). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From lucas at cefetce.br Tue Dec 9 12:10:05 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:10:05 -0300 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493E20EA.3090604@nicubunu.ro> References: <772118.73973.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <493E20EA.3090604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Is it really nescessary to use open source solutions for developing the images and animations ? if not my buddy agrees to illustrate some images and animations for the project royalty-free.. if you want these animations, let me know :) On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Doug Berry wrote: > >> >> If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static >> panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy >> juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then >> when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says: >> partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the >> possibilities would be unless. >> > > Because the code we have support only static panels. Patch Anaconda and we > may talk about that... but the next blocker will be producing the animations > with Fedora, doable but not easy (advanced Blender or GIFs animated with > GIMP). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On top of that, the result *must* be available in a Free format, playable out-of-the-box in Fedora, so no mpeg, QuickTime, DivX, probably not either Flash. > if not my buddy agrees to illustrate some images and animations for the > project royalty-free.. > > if you want these animations, let me know :) Expect a strong opposition for any project made by an external contractor, any work is expected to be done inside the community, see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rtlm10 at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 16:59:20 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:59:20 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. > (sure a subjective taste question) I agree. What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the new features in a release. It might be a good way to promote some of the advances Fedora is making. Russell From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 20:53:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:23:44 +0530 Subject: Smolt gets adopted by OpenSUSE Message-ID: <493EDAD8.6060702@fedoraproject.org> Hi Since I wrote the story, I am not writing it again here, Just read the link ;-) http://osnews.com/story/20621/Smolt_gets_adopted_by_openSUSE Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 13:30:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:30:52 -0500 Subject: Installation/Setup for magazine Message-ID: <20081210133052.GD3443@localhost.localdomain> Over the summer, one of our Marketing contributors created an article for a Linux magazine featuring Fedora 9. The magazine is looking to feature Fedora 10 and wants to have a similar article by around Christmas (25 December) for later publication. Is there someone in the marketing team interested in producing such an article? I can provide details, a contact point, and probably even a pointer to the original article to help provide scope. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can provide details, a contact point, and probably even a > pointer to the original article to help provide scope. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mackay3 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:48:53 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:48:53 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> Picture a basic space shooter game xD while installing (nothing complicated, something among asteroids and galaga would work, or a tetris clone too) I think it would rock, the big but it?s that I dunno how to do that, so the idea is there ;) 2008/12/9 Russell Harrison > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. > > (sure a subjective taste question) > > I agree. What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the > new features in a release. It might be a good way to promote some of > the advances Fedora is making. > > Russell > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mackay3 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:53:22 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:53:22 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game anytime (Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an "Activity Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community and passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you think? 2008/12/10 John Mackay > Picture a basic space shooter game xD while installing (nothing > complicated, something among asteroids and galaga would work, or a tetris > clone too) > I think it would rock, the big but it?s that I dunno how to do that, so the > idea is there ;) > > > 2008/12/9 Russell Harrison > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: >> > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished. >> > (sure a subjective taste question) >> >> I agree. What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the >> new features in a release. It might be a good way to promote some of >> the advances Fedora is making. >> >> Russell >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 10 16:16:35 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:16:35 +0200 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> John Mackay wrote: > LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game anytime I remember many, many years ago I saw a Caldera install where you could play Tetris. > (Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an "Activity > Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview > wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community > and passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you > think? In an ideal world the installation is quick enough (10-15 minutes) that you don't have enough time for complex "activities" but a few splash screens may keep your interest awake. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From felix at fetzig.org Wed Dec 10 17:04:27 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:04:27 +0100 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> Message-ID: <493FF69B.6090709@fetzig.org> Just for reference: I put them on my webserver for everyone to view so that everybody knows what we are talking about. http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/ The Kitchen one is this one: http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/f11rh7-3is_intermission.png Greetings, Felix From bakers at web-ster.com Wed Dec 10 17:09:25 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:09:25 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493FF69B.6090709@fetzig.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FF69B.6090709@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493FF7C5.80704@web-ster.com> Felix Kaechele wrote: > Just for reference: I put them on my webserver for everyone to view so > that everybody knows what we are talking about. > > http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/ > > The Kitchen one is this one: > http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/f11rh7-3is_intermission.png THAT'S IT! There were like 8 "serious" screens, and then a couple "Silly" ones like this. I think this is the perfect mix of fun/business. If we could do something like that again it'd give Fedora a "fun" face. - Scott From mackay3 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 17:29:59 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:29:59 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> Say you had the "Activity Center", reading documentation / playing tetris should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't be doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to your personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no splash screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making the kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give people options, while anaconda installs everything. 2008/12/10 Nicu Buculei > John Mackay wrote: > >> LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game anytime >> > > I remember many, many years ago I saw a Caldera install where you could > play Tetris. > > (Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an "Activity >> Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview >> wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community and >> passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you think? >> > > In an ideal world the installation is quick enough (10-15 minutes) that you > don't have enough time for complex "activities" but a few splash screens may > keep your interest awake. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know it starts to sound like work, this are no splash > screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making the > kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give people > options, while anaconda installs everything. > If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick faster. I liked the idea of cool install icons. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 20:15:42 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:15:42 -0700 Subject: Recording FUDCon Audio Message-ID: I'm not really sure where to start this conversation, so I thought I'd at least start here and see where it goes. I've recently purchased a new 8channel mixer for the local Utah Open Source Foundation (UTOS)[1] which I run. We record and stream[2] as many of the Local User Groups (LUGs)[3] we can in the area. We also podcast[4] them afterward as well. At the last FUDCon, I did a little bit of streaming on our UTOS streaming server and even podcasted one on Fedora TV (remember that?). This year, with this mixer, I'd like to take the time to stream and record audio for at least all of the classes that I can attend as well as Paul's keynote. I understand there may be desire to video record this presentation as well, and I wonder what plans, if any, there are in place already. The thought I had was possibly to request resources from infrastructure to build a icecast streaming server with FAS authentication (maybe) and use that. If that fails, I can still use the UTOS streaming server. Anyway, lend your thoughts. Cheers, Clint 1 - http://utos.org 2 - http://stream.utos.org:8080 3 - http://blog.utos.org/utah-tech-groups/ 4 - http://podcast.utos.org From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 21:42:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recording FUDCon Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081210214258.GI4364@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:15:42PM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > I'm not really sure where to start this conversation, so I thought I'd > at least start here and see where it goes. > > I've recently purchased a new 8channel mixer for the local Utah Open > Source Foundation (UTOS)[1] which I run. We record and stream[2] as > many of the Local User Groups (LUGs)[3] we can in the area. We also > podcast[4] them afterward as well. > > At the last FUDCon, I did a little bit of streaming on our UTOS > streaming server and even podcasted one on Fedora TV (remember that?). > This year, with this mixer, I'd like to take the time to stream and > record audio for at least all of the classes that I can attend as well > as Paul's keynote. I understand there may be desire to video record > this presentation as well, and I wonder what plans, if any, there are > in place already. > > The thought I had was possibly to request resources from > infrastructure to build a icecast streaming server with FAS > authentication (maybe) and use that. If that fails, I can still use > the UTOS streaming server. > > Anyway, lend your thoughts. It's funny you mention this Clint -- we talked about this very topic in the Tuesday Fedora Board meeting. (Not about you doing it specifically, but how to bring some audio for at least one or two rooms to non-physical attendees.) Chris Tyler was taking that topic on from the Board side -- I'm going to cc him and you guys can work on it in whichever public list makes the most sense to you. Chris, Clint is coming to this FUDCon so it makes great sense for you guys to partner up on this. I'm hoping we have enough preparation time still so Clint can spend all of Friday on Ambassador hackfesty topics, as opposed to figuring out software. Since Fedora is paying for a small number of NA Ambassadors to come together at FUDCon physically, it would be great if they could take advantage of that in-person time for whatever tasks are appropriate that lend themselves to physical presence. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cross > 2008/12/10 John Mackay : > > Say you had the "Activity Center", reading documentation / playing tetris > > should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't > be > > doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to > your > > personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no > splash > > screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making > the > > kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give > people > > options, while anaconda installs everything. > > > > If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick faster. > I liked the idea of cool install icons. > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 11 07:20:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:16 +0200 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <4938E5BF.2080200@nicubunu.ro> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> John Mackay wrote: > Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character > console text installs, it?s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use > of the system resources. He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the requirements for a GUI install. > 2008/12/10 Neville A. Cross > > If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick > faster. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From taylor.default at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 07:27:36 2008 From: taylor.default at gmail.com (Taylor Perlot) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:27:36 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Taylor Perlot Message-ID: My name is Taylor Perlot and I live in Hermiston, Oregon USA. I am a senior in Hermiston High School studying web and computer graphic design. I'd like to talk about ways of improving community efforts via a site that would be providing various tools to Fedora users for word of mouth marketing methods. My goal is to get into detail about this idea with someone who has the capability to implement such an idea. I have no historical qualifications or past experience, but I don't believe that would make me unqualified to provide methods by which to improve the Fedora Project's current marketing method. I enjoy looking at how businesses market themselves and what they can do to improve and have put much time into thoughts of human psychology as it relates to product design and image. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mackay3 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 07:50:07 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:50:07 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease hit on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, to read while the process completes. 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei > John Mackay wrote: > >> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character >> console text installs, it?s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of >> the system resources. >> > > He said "faster", no "less resources". 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Feel free to add, remove, change wharever seems not correct or bad > written. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > Just a proposal, could we meeting this evening at 19.00 UTC of after to finish point 3 (in #fedora-mktg naturally)? Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 13:26:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:26:19 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston > FUDcon shirt? So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve that today, if it's not too late. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks!-- -Chris From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 15:46:11 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:46:11 +0100 Subject: Neowin Article Meeting Today @ 19:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/11 Francesco Ugolini : > 2008/12/8 Francesco Ugolini : >> 2008/12/8 Jack Aboutboul : >>> Hello All, >>> >>> We are going to be getting together today to work on our response to the >>> Neowin.com article. >>> >>> When: 19:00UTC today, thats 2PM Eastern and 11AM Pacific >>> Where: #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net (Note: this is in the marketing >>> channel not #fedora-meeting) >>> What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article >> >>> Thanks, >>> Jack >>> >> >> To the interested, >> >> The first 2 questions were answered, the 3rd one need to be completed. >> >> Using the IRC proposals and adding something up, here a possible >> draft: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article >> . Feel free to add, remove, change wharever seems not correct or bad >> written. >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> > > Just a proposal, could we meeting this evening at 19.00 UTC of after > to finish point 3 (in #fedora-mktg naturally)? > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > Ok, not like that, I couldn't be there for that time (I will be in another place due to an unexpected engagement). Regards Francesco Ugolini From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 16:10:41 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:10:41 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston >> FUDcon shirt? > > So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there > something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? > > The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort > of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve > that today, if it's not too late. Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. ~m From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 16:27:53 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:53 -0500 Subject: Neowin Article Meeting Today @ 19:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49413F89.10403@redhat.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/12/11 Francesco Ugolini : > >> 2008/12/8 Francesco Ugolini : >> >>> 2008/12/8 Jack Aboutboul : >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> We are going to be getting together today to work on our response to the >>>> Neowin.com article. >>>> >>>> When: 19:00UTC today, thats 2PM Eastern and 11AM Pacific >>>> Where: #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net (Note: this is in the marketing >>>> channel not #fedora-meeting) >>>> What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> >>> To the interested, >>> >>> The first 2 questions were answered, the 3rd one need to be completed. >>> >>> Using the IRC proposals and adding something up, here a possible >>> draft: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article >>> . Feel free to add, remove, change wharever seems not correct or bad >>> written. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco Ugolini >>> >>> >> Just a proposal, could we meeting this evening at 19.00 UTC of after >> to finish point 3 (in #fedora-mktg naturally)? >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> > > Ok, not like that, I couldn't be there for that time (I will be in > another place due to an unexpected engagement). > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > I should be around then, I'll be lurking in the channel. Ping me then please. Jack From nacross at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:19:38 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:19:38 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <1ed4a0130812090859t2bd110eerd619b65bf834dec7@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/11 John Mackay : > Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease hit > on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, to > read while the process completes. > 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei >> >> John Mackay wrote: >>> >>> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character >>> console text installs, it?s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of >>> the system resources. >> >> He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a >> viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the >> requirements for a GUI install. >> Thanks Nicu for steping in. I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do the niceties and slowing the install process. Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From mackay3 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:36:42 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:36:42 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812100748o5b638417p7d1e4653078e1812@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> At least giving the usr control of the slides he wants to see, or see none at all will slow that much the install process, to keep the argument of the slow install? 2008/12/11 Neville A. Cross > 2008/12/11 John Mackay : > > Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease > hit > > on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, > to > > read while the process completes. > > 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei > >> > >> John Mackay wrote: > >>> > >>> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character > >>> console text installs, it?s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use > of > >>> the system resources. > >> > >> He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a > >> viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the > >> requirements for a GUI install. > >> > > > Thanks Nicu for steping in. > > I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do > the niceties and slowing the install process. > > Best regards > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mackay3 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:38:45 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:38:45 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812100753n47eeef6uad4567f510ad8d1e@mail.gmail.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the install, seconds? 2008/12/11 John Mackay > At least giving the usr control of the slides he wants to see, or see none > at all will slow that much the install process, to keep the argument of the > slow install? > > > > > 2008/12/11 Neville A. Cross > > 2008/12/11 John Mackay : >> > Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease >> hit >> > on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, >> to >> > read while the process completes. >> > 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei >> >> >> >> John Mackay wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character >> >>> console text installs, it?s way uglier than anaconda and makes less >> use of >> >>> the system resources. >> >> >> >> He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a >> >> viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the >> >> requirements for a GUI install. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Nicu for steping in. >> >> I think that now my point has been made. 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URL: From kparnell at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 18:21:09 2008 From: kparnell at fedoraproject.org (Kenny Parnell) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:21:09 -0500 Subject: Call for A/V volunteers and equipment - FUDConF11 In-Reply-To: <1229010329.26333.6.camel@localhost6.localdomain6> References: <1229010329.26333.6.camel@localhost6.localdomain6> Message-ID: <20081211182100.GA5518@Aslan.redventures.net> I have a laptop and a camcorder, and I would be glad to help. Thanks, -Kenny -- Kenny Parnell hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 54. You start tilting your head sideways to smile. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:45:29AM -0500, Chris Tyler wrote: > > I'm looking for a few good folks to volunteer to help with A/V > (streaming and recording) and to loan suitable equipment for the barcamp > day of FUDConF11 (January 10/2009). If you are coming to FUDConF11 and > are willing to help with A/V or are willing to loan any of the > following, please let me know: > > * lav (clip-on) or headset mics, especially wireless > * camcorder > * laptop for recording or streaming > > Clint Savage has kindly agreed to bring a mixer and mics, and Matt > Domsch and I are bringing camcorders. The current plan is to try and > stream one room of audio (and maybe video) and record the other rooms > for later posting. > > Thanks!-- > > -Chris > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From nacross at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 18:31:48 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:31:48 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/11 John Mackay : > Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the > install, seconds? > You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt. What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff. I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with many MB. I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support it. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 18:36:00 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:36:00 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> Neville A. Cross wrote: > 2008/12/11 John Mackay : >> Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the >> install, seconds? >> > > You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt. > What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff. > I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with many MB. > > I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If > in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support > it. this isn't a vote though. I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to create the needed artwork. ~m From lucas at cefetce.br Thu Dec 11 18:36:52 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:36:52 -0300 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whats the problem of using static images only ? a very good illustration pays for a hole pointless movie :) On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > 2008/12/11 John Mackay : > > Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the > > install, seconds? > > > > You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt. > What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff. > I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with > many MB. > > I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If > in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support > it. > > > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 18:43:24 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:43:24 -0600 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/11 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) : > Whats the problem of using static images only ? > a very good illustration pays for a hole pointless movie :) > I really don't know what the problem is. I will LOVE not_too_serious images. I may not agree in an activity center that may delay install. and I aware that this is not reach vote... I understand that is a kind of brainstorming process by now. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From bakers at web-ster.com Thu Dec 11 18:49:55 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:49:55 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <494160D3.3090100@web-ster.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > this isn't a vote though. > > I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner > content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to > create the needed artwork. Does F11 have a theme/name yet that we could work with? Like F9 was the werewolf (I think), we could play off of that. Like the Werewolf eats the Fedora logo or something similar. What's a good starting point for these "fun" images? - Scott From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 18:53:40 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:53:40 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494161B4.2050606@fedoraproject.org> Neville A. Cross wrote: > and I aware that this is not reach vote... I understand that is a kind > of brainstorming process by now. You replied to the wrong email. I am just trying to point out that rather than brainstorming all of these complicated games and activity ideas, why not try to focus on a nice set of say 5-6 banner ideas, and hash out the content for them? It would be more productive, and the art team could work with it and produce illustrations a lot more quickly and easily if we're provided the actual storylines/concepts to illustrate. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 18:56:19 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:56:19 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <494160D3.3090100@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> <494160D3.3090100@web-ster.com> Message-ID: <49416253.80602@fedoraproject.org> Scott Baker wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> this isn't a vote though. >> >> I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner >> content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to >> create the needed artwork. > > Does F11 have a theme/name yet that we could work with? Like F9 was the > werewolf (I think), we could play off of that. Like the Werewolf eats the > Fedora logo or something similar. It doesn't and it won't until early January. I would like to avoid having these images, if they happen at all, to be tied in with the theme of the moment. The art team has enough on their plate without adding these to it. If they get stale every release it's just too much maintenance work. I would suggest coming up with ideas that are not specifically tied to the theme of any one release. > What's a good starting point for these > "fun" images? How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try to gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners. Think about funny things that people do while they're waiting for something that takes a long time. What do people do while in line at the DMV? What do people do when they wait for their computer to boot up in the morning? I'd use questions like that as a springboard for ideas... Thanks, ~m From bakers at web-ster.com Thu Dec 11 19:01:44 2008 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:01:44 -0800 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <49416253.80602@fedoraproject.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> <494160D3.3090100@web-ster.com> <49416253.80602@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49416398.8040807@web-ster.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try to > gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the > complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners. Usually the install takes between 15 minutes, and 30 minutes, but it can obviously vary greatly depending on other factors. How does Ananconda handle rotating the images currently? Is it every X minutes, or after X packages are installed? > Think about funny things that people do while they're waiting for > something that takes a long time. What do people do while in line at the > DMV? What do people do when they wait for their computer to boot up in > the morning? I'd use questions like that as a springboard for ideas... This is a great idea... I'll ponder. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 19:09:18 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:09:18 -0500 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <49416398.8040807@web-ster.com> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <493FEB63.40407@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812100929h67795897k5d5d549ffc5a732d@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> <49415D90.3010306@fedoraproject.org> <494160D3.3090100@web-ster.com> <49416253.80602@fedoraproject.org> <49416398.8040807@web-ster.com> Message-ID: <4941655E.7000407@fedoraproject.org> Scott Baker wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try to >> gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the >> complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners. > > Usually the install takes between 15 minutes, and 30 minutes, but it can > obviously vary greatly depending on other factors. How does Ananconda > handle rotating the images currently? Is it every X minutes, or after X > packages are installed? I don't know. One of the anaconda guys would probably know. ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 22:39:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:39:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: Neowin Article Meeting Today @ 19:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49413F89.10403@redhat.com> References: <493D160C.2010701@redhat.com> <49413F89.10403@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I should be around then, I'll be lurking in the channel. Ping me then > please. What's the current status of this? How can I help? --Max From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:53:28 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <4941655E.7000407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <624561.97072.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > I don't know. One of the anaconda guys would probably > know. > > ~m One consideration, since most of us are installing from CD/DVDs, would be the write speed of the ROM drive. I have, besides my 3gig box, two older 1gig boxes I install Live CDs on. Takes both about 45 minutes. My 3box, half that. I would imagine install time = box size (+) write speed (+) RAM. On my 1gig boxes the first thing that happens is a screen appears that says: You don't have much RAM on this system, would you like to install the SWAP Partition now? Translation: hope your not late for an appointment. So, a question is: are people installing off of CDs, using older/slower boxes? And those using DVDs newer/faster? If so, then those using DVDs would seemingly need fewer panels or screens, since they will be enjoying setting up their desktop sooner, anyway. Whereas, those using older/slower may need more panels/screens; anything to breakup the monotany of watching that scroll-bar crawl across their screen. -- Doug Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From nihedmm at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 11:53:05 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:53:05 +0100 Subject: Fedora Release party Tunisia Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. Local website are dispatch information : http://www.gnet.tn/net-informatique/lancement-en-tunisie-de-fedora-10/id-menu-473.html http://www.businessnews.com.tn/home/view_article_Business?=&a=1086003 a facebook event are available : http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=52210306083 and more surprise for tomorow, best regards -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Analyst Revenue Assurance http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 12 11:39:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:39:46 +0200 Subject: Cool install Icons? In-Reply-To: <494161B4.2050606@fedoraproject.org> References: <49380202.2060507@web-ster.com> <5d88dfb00812102129scaa7736h9ac589ac926895f0@mail.gmail.com> <4940BF30.1030304@nicubunu.ro> <5d88dfb00812102350w3184598arb5830160b39a6693@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110936o209aca5ake89cb3cc875408fe@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00812110938t10a156ecw3f232a24e137e874@mail.gmail.com> <494161B4.2050606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49424D82.1050100@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > I am just trying to point out that rather than brainstorming all of > these complicated games and activity ideas, why not try to focus on a > nice set of say 5-6 banner ideas, and hash out the content for them? It > would be more productive, and the art team could work with it and > produce illustrations a lot more quickly and easily if we're provided > the actual storylines/concepts to illustrate. Call me bitter and over-pessimistic, but I don't think we'll get anywhere. Trying to design the slides by a committee will end only in a massive flamewar and at the best a few mediocre slides[*]. And very late in the release cycle, some higher power from outside the effort will step in and reject everything. [*] humour by committee can't be funny nor consistent. I will pretty much prefer to have the slides made by a small group, maybe secretly, and have a good laugh when I see them for the first time. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 15:27:25 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:27:25 +0000 Subject: Moving the marketing team forward Message-ID: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> Moving Fedora Marketing Forwards ================================ I've been way out of the Fedora loop lately, but I wanted to try and get some thoughts down that might provoke some conversations about what the marketing team should be doing, how we work, and how we can become more effective in the future. Apologies if no one finds this long winded rant useful. I hope that people might be interested in holding a meeting dedicated to some of these issues and planning for the Fedora 11 release cycle in the near future, but I think the mailing list is probably the most accessible place to bring plenty of people in on the conversation. I hope in the near future to try and pick up some of these things myself, especially considering I have two out of the next four weeks where my time will be much more my own. What the team does now ---------------------- As things stand, it seems to me that the main activities related to marketing Fedora are: * FPL's release interviews * Ambassadors events * Documenting media coverage on the mailing list * Occassional developer interviews * Occassional blog posts & articles pimping features/community * Responding to and correcting articles that are inaccurate Re: Fedora Of these, the marketing team, as a *team* are responsible for 3 (although this is largely done by Rahul) and now 6. Red Hat PR are responsible for 1 and for the most part 5. Correct me if I'm wrong here. How the team works now ---------------------- We largely co-ordinate via the mailing list, with sometimes weekly meetings that track the task list closely. Conclusions ----------- Seems like we could be doing a lot more as a team. How can we improve? ------------------- * We made a marketing plan this year, it establishes what we want to be promoting and what we think the project is about * We should create a *time based* marketing plan that ensures we have things to be doing, promoting, throughout the release cycle * We need to do this asap to make sure that we have lots prepared for the F11 release cycle * We need to work closer with Red Hat PR. * Not sure how this can work better, but a lot of stuff seems to happen that no one outside RH ever realises. (Correct me if I'm wrong) * Have no idea if RH PR take advantage of work that the community does, is our work just going to waste? * We need to work closer with the board, and all other parts of the project, to ensure that we're actually representing what people believe they're doing. * Related to this, we should be working with websites and docs to shepherd the content on the static pages * We should record media coverage of Fedora on the wiki instead of just on the mailing list. Make a good historical archive and provide us with the opportunity to better track how Fedora is perceived outside of our own community across releases. * Could even make a good static page and promotional material. On the front page, "Read what people are saying about Fedora. Click here." * We should create a central location for people to come and learn about what's happening in Fedora and our wider community * I still believe that a Fedora Magazine style project is the best way to do this * We should consider establishing a more formal organisation for the project, as well as thinking about how to make the best use of meeting time. * Having been out of the loop, I'm not really qualified to comment on the current state here, but that aside I beleive: * Meetings should be less about tracking progress (this is easily done *quickly* on the mailing list) * Meetings should be much more about exploring new tasks that we want to persue, goals, ways to achieve these. Notes ----- I also believe that it may be worth reassesing our marketing priorities. Our attempts to present Fedora as the innovative distribution, claiming credit for features that our community creates and pushes upstream first seemed to be successful this time last year; now the same features that I thought we'd successfully gained recognition for as created in Fedora are being attributed to other distributions as they integrate it, without even acknowledging that Fedora has feature parity. I don't know if this is our failing or whether this is just the result of the internet being full of people who have easy access to a large audience and don't even bother to thoroughly research what they're going to say. It begs the question, however, if promoting Fedora as a distribution based on the features it contains is the right thing to be doing. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 17:21:30 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:21:30 +0100 Subject: Moving the marketing team forward In-Reply-To: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > * We should consider establishing a more formal organisation for the > project, as well as thinking about how to make the best use of meeting > time. I want only to give some suggestions for this topic: First of all my POV: I think we have to work not splitting the different sides of marketing (Ambassadors, Marketing plainning and so on), but just trying to figure out a possible way to have a shared system to better coordinate those sides. I think this consideration should interest a more in depth discussion with all those compontents. >From a mktg pov I agree with you on an improvement of the Marketing planning/plan team, maybe trying to figure out some key contacts and their respective responsabilities. Actually there is an electoral process that interest Ambassadors Project, so next FAmSCo should work on that issue (from the Ambassadors side), but I think a debate could stimulate a way to simplify and unify the Marketing infrastucture in order to have a better system: working on a marketing plan/strategy, managing/organizing events, training ambassadors, organize campaigns and so on. Naturally this is the point of view of an ambassador, but I'm sure it could be shareable by everyone and, even if, it's not like the extras/core evolution in everything, it could share some of the key principle. Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 22:31:42 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:31:42 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081212223142.GH19799@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston > >> FUDcon shirt? > > > > So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there > > something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? > > > > The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort > > of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve > > that today, if it's not too late. > > Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time > to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including "olpc" and "sugar" in the tag list and going forward with what we have. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 22:50:52 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:50:52 +0100 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <20081212223142.GH19799@localhost.localdomain> References: <49385603.9090908@brej.org> <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> <20081212223142.GH19799@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/12/12 Paul W. Frields : > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston >> >> FUDcon shirt? >> > >> > So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there >> > something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? >> > >> > The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort >> > of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve >> > that today, if it's not too late. >> >> Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time >> to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. > > At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including "olpc" and > "sugar" in the tag list and going forward with what we have. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > Sorry for the silly proposal (I've just read the thread): why don't add ambassadors (I know friends could be the same, but along with developers I'll put it too). I'm not sure if the goal of those words was this, and, BTW, all the other project != developers would have the same right than ambassadors to see their name. So, feel free to say no, I think it would be reasonable. Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 22:58:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:58:16 -0500 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: References: <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> <20081212223142.GH19799@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081212225816.GM19799@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:50:52PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/12/12 Paul W. Frields : > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> >> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston > >> >> FUDcon shirt? > >> > > >> > So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there > >> > something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? > >> > > >> > The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort > >> > of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve > >> > that today, if it's not too late. > >> > >> Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time > >> to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. > > > > At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including "olpc" and > > "sugar" in the tag list and going forward with what we have. > > > > -- > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > > Sorry for the silly proposal (I've just read the thread): why don't > add ambassadors (I know friends could be the same, but along with > developers I'll put it too). > > I'm not sure if the goal of those words was this, and, BTW, all the > other project != developers would have the same right than ambassadors > to see their name. So, feel free to say no, I think it would be > reasonable. Not silly at all Francesco -- I think it's a *GREAT* idea. We could add all the following, and more if I missed someone: artists designers ambassadors translators developers writers sysadmins packagers triagers qa (I wish there was a word like "qualiteers") -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sat Dec 13 15:47:19 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:47:19 +0100 Subject: T-shirt logo design tool In-Reply-To: <20081212225816.GM19799@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081205125603.GG12530@localhost.localdomain> <49392D0E.2020205@nicubunu.ro> <4939471F.40805@brej.org> <49394E08.4070308@fedoraproject.org> <49394F04.2000805@fedoraproject.org> <493D2D6A.7040701@fedoraproject.org> <20081211132619.GC12034@localhost.localdomain> <49413B81.4040904@fedoraproject.org> <20081212223142.GH19799@localhost.localdomain> <20081212225816.GM19799@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4943D907.9050000@gmx.de> Paul W. Frields schrieb: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:50:52PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> 2008/12/12 Paul W. Frields : >> >>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston >>>>>> FUDcon shirt? >>>>>> >>>>> So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there >>>>> something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? >>>>> >>>>> The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort >>>>> of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve >>>>> that today, if it's not too late. >>>>> >>>> Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time >>>> to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. >>>> >>> At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including "olpc" and >>> "sugar" in the tag list and going forward with what we have. >>> >>> -- >>> Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ >>> gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >>> http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >>> irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >>> >>> >> Sorry for the silly proposal (I've just read the thread): why don't >> add ambassadors (I know friends could be the same, but along with >> developers I'll put it too). >> >> I'm not sure if the goal of those words was this, and, BTW, all the >> other project != developers would have the same right than ambassadors >> to see their name. So, feel free to say no, I think it would be >> reasonable. >> > > Not silly at all Francesco -- I think it's a *GREAT* idea. We could > add all the following, and more if I missed someone: > > artists > designers > ambassadors > translators > developers > writers > sysadmins > packagers > triagers > qa (I wish there was a word like "qualiteers") > > Why not just "quality" ?! Maybe the "tool" itself could be made so that a small interface can be buildin where anybody can choose a) lets say the f or another Logo Style for the "transformation" where b) the words (in a textfield or txt upload or something like that) can be "transformed" to the finished product as we can see it. Yy the way, i LOVE that kind of Artwork, too. best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 13 17:16:18 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:16:18 +0100 Subject: Marketing classes Message-ID: Hi, maybe this thing could interest few people, but sometimes I faced some problems understanding the way marketing plan is done and maintained. I was wondering if it would be possible that someone, that has done this plan, could organize some fedora IRC classes, to explain the concepts behind the marketing plan, and make me, and whoever interested in, better acknowledge and able to contribute to the marketing planning process. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From delhage at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 21:26:26 2008 From: delhage at gmail.com (delhage at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:26:26 +0100 Subject: Marketing classes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b2231930812131326h3a4eb805oe147149b13d9d7f0@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 18:16, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Hi, maybe this thing could interest few people, but sometimes I faced > some problems understanding the way marketing plan is done and > maintained. > > I was wondering if it would be possible that someone, that has done > this plan, could organize some fedora IRC classes, to explain the > concepts behind the marketing plan, and make me, and whoever > interested in, better acknowledge and able to contribute to the > marketing planning process. > That would be great, +1 from me. /Lars -- Lars Delhage RHC{E,X,A,SS} CL{P,E}{9,10} CNI LPIC-2.tel: +46 8 458 78 10 Nohup AB, Stortorget 1, 111 29 Stockholm mob: +46 70 781 60 69 GPG ID: 569492FE url :http://www.nohup.se From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 04:11:19 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:19 +0545 Subject: Self-Introduction: Taylor Perlot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: welcome aboard taylor .... On 11/12/2008, Taylor Perlot wrote: > > My name is Taylor Perlot and I live in Hermiston, Oregon USA. I am a > senior in Hermiston High School studying web and computer graphic design. > > I'd like to talk about ways of improving community efforts via a site that > would be providing various tools to Fedora users for word of mouth marketing > methods. My goal is to get into detail about this idea with someone who has > the capability to implement such an idea. > > I have no historical qualifications or past experience, but I don't believe > that would make me unqualified to provide methods by which to improve the > Fedora Project's current marketing method. I enjoy looking at how > businesses market themselves and what they can do to improve and have put > much time into thoughts of human psychology as it relates to product design > and image. > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Dec 14 17:06:06 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:06:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: neowin article Message-ID: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article I have made a few edits and suggestions, as well. Jack, do you think you can finalize this on Monday, and then run it by Paul Frields for approval before sending it back? Thanks, Max From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 18:57:32 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:57:32 -0500 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <20081214170009.79E6861966D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081214170009.79E6861966D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I like to know the best way to market Fedora in the Worcester/Boston area... Sent from my ipod touch Markus McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:00 PM, fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to > match the original message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Marketing classes (Francesco Ugolini) > 2. Re: Marketing classes (delhage at gmail.com) > 3. Re: Self-Introduction: Taylor Perlot (Tushar Neupaney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:16:18 +0100 > From: "Francesco Ugolini" > Subject: Marketing classes > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, maybe this thing could interest few people, but sometimes I faced > some problems understanding the way marketing plan is done and > maintained. > > I was wondering if it would be possible that someone, that has done > this plan, could organize some fedora IRC classes, to explain the > concepts behind the marketing plan, and make me, and whoever > interested in, better acknowledge and able to contribute to the > marketing planning process. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:26:26 +0100 > From: delhage at gmail.com > Subject: Re: Marketing classes > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > <1b2231930812131326h3a4eb805oe147149b13d9d7f0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 18:16, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> Hi, maybe this thing could interest few people, but sometimes I faced >> some problems understanding the way marketing plan is done and >> maintained. >> >> I was wondering if it would be possible that someone, that has done >> this plan, could organize some fedora IRC classes, to explain the >> concepts behind the marketing plan, and make me, and whoever >> interested in, better acknowledge and able to contribute to the >> marketing planning process. >> > > That would be great, +1 from me. > > /Lars > -- > Lars Delhage RHC{E,X,A,SS} CL{P,E}{9,10} CNI LPIC-2.tel: +46 8 458 > 78 10 > Nohup AB, Stortorget 1, 111 29 Stockholm mob: +46 70 781 > 60 69 > GPG ID: 569492FE url :http://www.nohup.se > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:19 +0545 > From: "Tushar Neupaney" > Subject: Re: Self-Introduction: Taylor Perlot > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user > base" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > welcome aboard taylor .... > > On 11/12/2008, Taylor Perlot wrote: >> >> My name is Taylor Perlot and I live in Hermiston, Oregon USA. I am a >> senior in Hermiston High School studying web and computer graphic >> design. >> >> I'd like to talk about ways of improving community efforts via a >> site that >> would be providing various tools to Fedora users for word of mouth >> marketing >> methods. My goal is to get into detail about this idea with >> someone who has >> the capability to implement such an idea. >> >> I have no historical qualifications or past experience, but I don't >> believe >> that would make me unqualified to provide methods by which to >> improve the >> Fedora Project's current marketing method. I enjoy looking at how >> businesses market themselves and what they can do to improve and >> have put >> much time into thoughts of human psychology as it relates to >> product design >> and image. >> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20081214/29be94a2/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 17 > ***************************************************** From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 07:53:08 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:53:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: Moving the marketing team forward In-Reply-To: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon, Great to hear from you. This is an excellent email, and I thank you for writing it. A few thoughts, inline: > As things stand, it seems to me that the main activities related to > marketing Fedora are: > > * FPL's release interviews > * Ambassadors events > * Documenting media coverage on the mailing list > * Occassional developer interviews > * Occassional blog posts & articles pimping features/community > * Responding to and correcting articles that are inaccurate Re: Fedora > > Of these, the marketing team, as a *team* are responsible for 3 > (although this is largely done by Rahul) and now 6. Red Hat PR are > responsible for 1 and for the most part 5. > > Correct me if I'm wrong here. Documenting media coverage is important, and is done well on this list. In 2009, I see that as an activity that should be continued in the same way that it currently is, more or less. I'd like to see the interview continue, as this is a big part of the "Folks/Friends" messaging point. ==== In terms of Ambassador events, I would categorize the marketing team's function as one of "information preparation". The Fedora 10 talking points page was an excellent example of this. I think the Fedora Marketing team should work with the Fedora Project Leader to produce a quarterly "talking points" page that gives Ambassadors (or anyone speaking in public about Fedora) several pieces of information: (1) Details about the current stable release. (2) Interesting information about the direction of the current development release (Rawhide). (3) Talking points regarding the larger Fedora Project, as opposed to simply the Fedora distro. Areas we are focusing on, goals, etc. A quarterly page will allow the message to be refined a few times each year, but stable enough for Ambassadors to familiarize themselves with it. > * We should create a *time based* marketing plan that ensures we > have things to be doing, promoting, throughout the release cycle Yes. The tasks of the Marketing Team are cyclical, and vary in priority depending on where we are in a release cycle. As a release approaches, "features and first" are more important than "folks" for example. > * We need to work closer with Red Hat PR. > * Not sure how this can work better, but a lot of stuff seems to > happen that no one outside RH ever realises. (Correct me if I'm wrong) > * Have no idea if RH PR take advantage of work that the community > does, is our work just going to waste? Paul Frields continues to be the best conduit to Red Hat PR that we have for Fedora. Members of the Community Architecture team can also help with this (Max, Greg, Karsten, Jack). One of Jack's formal job responsibilities is to provide leadership to the Fedora Marketing team, so I'd encourage everyone to work with Jack and Paul on issues that sit at the intersection between Fedora Marketing and Red Hat PR. > * We should record media coverage of Fedora on the wiki instead of > just on the mailing list. Make a good historical archive and provide > us with the opportunity to better track how Fedora is perceived > outside of our own community across releases. +1 ================ Conclusion: Jon's email (and my response) have presented several interesting tasks for 2009 in Fedora Marketing land: (1) time-based marketing plan and schedule (2) quarterly talking points (3) fedora magazine (4) meetings w/ more strategic focus (5) key messaging points and themes I'm going to ask Jack to begin the 2009 meetings with these five areas as the focal points, and also to take inventory of any remaining action items from 2008 that are still open and/or need to be carried over. I am also going to commit myself to better attendance at the Fedora Marketing meetings. --Max From jaa at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 09:09:51 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:09:51 -0500 Subject: Marketing classes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49461EDF.3080508@redhat.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Hi, maybe this thing could interest few people, but sometimes I faced > some problems understanding the way marketing plan is done and > maintained. > > I was wondering if it would be possible that someone, that has done > this plan, could organize some fedora IRC classes, to explain the > concepts behind the marketing plan, and make me, and whoever > interested in, better acknowledge and able to contribute to the > marketing planning process I agree. I will try and work on finding someone to do something like this, this week. I'll add it to the task list on the wiki for thursdays meeting as well. Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 15 11:00:27 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:30:27 +0530 Subject: Moving the marketing team forward In-Reply-To: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494638CB.3040509@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > * FPL's release interviews > * Ambassadors events > * Documenting media coverage on the mailing list > * Occassional developer interviews > * Occassional blog posts & articles pimping features/community > * Responding to and correcting articles that are inaccurate Re: Fedora > > Of these, the marketing team, as a *team* are responsible for 3 > (although this is largely done by Rahul) and now 6. Red Hat PR are > responsible for 1 and for the most part 5. I don't know what Red Hat PR does about 5 since it is done offlist. I do respond to articles occasionally and CC this list for the most part but it takes a lot of time and requires more people keeping a tab on things. > * We need to work closer with Red Hat PR. > * Not sure how this can work better, but a lot of stuff seems to > happen that no one outside RH ever realises. (Correct me if I'm wrong) > * Have no idea if RH PR take advantage of work that the community > does, is our work just going to waste? Good points. If anyone from PR is subscribed, suggestions are welcome. Rahul From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 15 14:46:07 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:46:07 +0100 Subject: Marketing classes In-Reply-To: <49461EDF.3080508@redhat.com> References: <49461EDF.3080508@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I agree. I will try and work on finding someone to do something like this, > this week. I'll add it to the task list on the wiki for thursdays meeting > as well. > > Jack Thank you very much! Francesco Ugolini From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:08:57 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:08:57 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: I want to help support development] Message-ID: <1229353737.4301.60.camel@ignacio.lan> For your consideration. -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: kerry walper > To: webmaster at fedoraproject.org > Subject: I want to help support development > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:41:47 -0800 > > Hello, my name is Kerry Walper. I am a guide and moderator at mepislovers.org > The members at mepislovers asked for mepis tee shirts. I have a tee shirt > making home based busines so I set up a website to sell mepis tees to our > members. I sell the tees for $17.00. Out of the $17.00 I donate $5.00 from > each sale to mepis development. I've been working on the website for a few > days and I just got my paypal express add to cart button working so you can > pay with paypal or credit cards. > I would like to do the same for fedora. Not sure how many fedora tees will be > sold but I would like permission to add fedora to my list of available tee > shirts. If you don't have the power to grant my request could you forward > this message to whoever could grant me permission? Thank you. Kerry Walper > aka mepnoob2005 at mepislovers.org -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:30:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:30:59 -0500 Subject: neowin article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081215153059.GB26941@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:06:06PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks/Neowin_Article > > I have made a few edits and suggestions, as well. > > Jack, do you think you can finalize this on Monday, and then run it by > Paul Frields for approval before sending it back? I added some more material for one of the answers as well. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Out of the $17.00 I donate $5.00 from > > each sale to mepis development. I've been working on the website for a few > > days and I just got my paypal express add to cart button working so you can > > pay with paypal or credit cards. > > I would like to do the same for fedora. Not sure how many fedora tees will be > > sold but I would like permission to add fedora to my list of available tee > > shirts. If you don't have the power to grant my request could you forward > > this message to whoever could grant me permission? Thank you. Kerry Walper > > aka mepnoob2005 at mepislovers.org Hello Kerry, The Fedora trademarks are owned by Red Hat, Inc., and the Fedora Board helps to monitor their use. Our trademark guidelines are located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Trademark_guidelines#Non-software_goods To sell any non-software goods with the Fedora brand requires a written trademark license from the Board. You may request this license through fedora-board-list at redhat.com. However, my sense of the Board's approach in the past tells me they're unlikely to issue a license for private enterprises to sell Fedora-branded goods, even if a portion of the proceeds come back to Fedora. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at gnsa.us Mon Dec 15 17:21:51 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:21:51 -0500 Subject: PostgreSQL using Fedora 10 as the base for their LiveCD Message-ID: Not really a news article per se - but nice to see PostgreSQL using F10 as the base distribution. Subject: Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] Releasing new version of PostgreSQL Live CD To: David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Devrim G?ND?Z Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:54 AM Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Releasing new version of PostgreSQL Live CD To: pgsql-announce Hi, I updated my PostgreSQL live CD, and it is now based on Fedora 10 and PostgreSQL 8.3.5, with all the PostgreSQL packages that I build on http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org . This new version includes many new packages, and also many updates to the existing packages. Details are here: http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org/livecd.php According to Apache logs, the previous 2 versions were downloaded more than 3200 times. Also I know that kickstart file was used in some private projects. Thanks everyone for their interest in this live CD. Now there is an option to add an encrypted home directory while burning iso to USB stick, which helps you to keep your personal data in your USB stick. 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Rahul > > > > Subject: Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] Releasing new version of PostgreSQL Live CD > To: David > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Devrim G?ND?Z > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:54 AM > Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Releasing new version of PostgreSQL Live CD > To: pgsql-announce > > > Hi, > > I updated my PostgreSQL live CD, and it is now based on Fedora 10 and > PostgreSQL 8.3.5, with all the PostgreSQL packages that I build on > http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org . This new version includes many new packages, > and also many updates to the existing packages. > > Details are here: > > http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org/livecd.php > > According to Apache logs, the previous 2 versions were downloaded more > than 3200 times. Also I know that kickstart file was used in some > private projects. Thanks everyone for their interest in this live CD. > > Now there is an option to add an encrypted home directory while burning > iso to USB stick, which helps you to keep your personal data in your USB > stick. > > This live CD has nearly bleeding edge of many software, like Apache, > PHP, GNOME, Pidgin, etc. > > Kickstart file is configurable, so you can also create your own > PostgreSQL Live CD's fairly easily, if you have a Fedora-10 > > Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this live CD. > > Sincerely, > - -- > Devrim G?ND?Z, RHCE > devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr > http://www.gunduz.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: http://getfiregpg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAklGkPwACgkQJpuv2DHZ/HrTywCdEnhQVpNK1vf7OTlsYMbaC/1s > J/YAoL8fdPyRkR6M9qB0lFbi+U71GQ22 > =srsz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 15 19:01:29 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:29 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs Message-ID: <4946A989.2050306@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, Here's what I came up with over the weekend. I made the design two-color so hopefully it'll be cheaper to print (we may be able to save a little bit more if the fudcon logo on the front of the shirt is all white. I've attached a thumbnail showing what that would look like as well.) There's two main designs that are just different in the treatment of the back portion of the shirt. Let me know what you think of these. I'll be calling the printers this afternoon for a quote and to make sure they can produce them in time. design 1: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/17/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-1_design.png design 2: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/19/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-2_design.png (Wiki page is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Boston_2009) ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made the design two-color so > hopefully it'll be cheaper to print (we may be able to save a little bit > more if the fudcon logo on the front of the shirt is all white. I've > attached a thumbnail showing what that would look like as well.) > > There's two main designs that are just different in the treatment of the > back portion of the shirt. > > Let me know what you think of these. I'll be calling the printers this > afternoon for a quote and to make sure they can produce them in time. > > design 1: > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/17/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-1_design.png > > design 2: > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/19/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-2_design.png > > (Wiki page is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Boston_2009) Design 2 is much cleaner. I like that one a lot. The words are much clearer and easy to read. Also, I really like the separation of the wording. Cheers, Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 19:11:30 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:11:30 -0700 Subject: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs In-Reply-To: References: <4946A989.2050306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/12/15 M?ir??n Duffy : >> Hi folks, >> >> Here's what I came up with over the weekend. I made the design two-color so >> hopefully it'll be cheaper to print (we may be able to save a little bit >> more if the fudcon logo on the front of the shirt is all white. I've >> attached a thumbnail showing what that would look like as well.) >> >> There's two main designs that are just different in the treatment of the >> back portion of the shirt. >> >> Let me know what you think of these. I'll be calling the printers this >> afternoon for a quote and to make sure they can produce them in time. >> >> design 1: >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/17/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-1_design.png >> >> design 2: >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/19/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-2_design.png >> >> (Wiki page is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Boston_2009) > > Design 2 is much cleaner. I like that one a lot. The words are much > clearer and easy to read. Also, I really like the separation of the > wording. > > Cheers, > > Clint > Hehe, yeah I mean design #1. Cheers, Clint From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 19:13:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:13:41 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs In-Reply-To: References: <4946A989.2050306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081215191341.GG3526@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:09:10PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> design 1: >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/17/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-1_design.png >> >> design 2: >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/19/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-2_design.png >> >> (Wiki page is: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Boston_2009) > > They are both awesome, but my personal preference is #1. I love both of them too. And I don't really have a preference. -- Paul W. 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Nice design either way. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 21:22:14 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:22:14 -0600 Subject: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs In-Reply-To: <20081215211513.GA14142@gmail.com> References: <4946A989.2050306@fedoraproject.org> <20081215211513.GA14142@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081215212214.GA14672@gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 03:15:13PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > I personally prefer design 2, as it makes what "FUDCon" actually stands > for (as an abbreviation) more obvious. Nice design either way. > Er, actually, I prefer number 1 as the blue background with black text thing on #2 just doesn't seem to work with me. heh. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 04:49:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:49:34 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. Message-ID: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the proposal to this list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table book containing candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a specific trinket that could represent what the community stands for (perhaps something as simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles containing a single word that the contributor thinks encompasses the purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an EMEA FUDCon around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt to start this concept back up again? It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate the proceeds to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable because of the high number of Fedora contributors[2].) The key things that need to be done to get this rolling again are 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole production together, i.e., speech bubbles) 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? [1]: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish visual unity (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for photos used on the web). Anyone else wanna pick up the brainstorming stick here? As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern California area, I'm in! PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' mailing list. Hi! 2008/12/15 Ian Weller > > > An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the proposal to this > list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table book containing > candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a specific trinket > that could represent what the community stands for (perhaps something as > simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles containing a single > word that the contributor thinks encompasses the > purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. > > Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an EMEA FUDCon > around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt to start this > concept back up again? > > It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate the proceeds > to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable because of the > high number of Fedora contributors[2].) > > The key things that need to be done to get this rolling again are > 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole production > together, i.e., speech bubbles) > 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] > > Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? > > > > [1]: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html > [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! > [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But instead of using a specific item across all photos, > I think it would be great to embrace the vast number of cultures involved in > Fedora and let each person pick something unique that symbolizes their > contribution or what Fedora means to their community. This is a great > project that can evolve over time through a photoblog, and once enough > submissions are gathered we could look at different publishing options. > I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish visual unity > (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for photos used on the web). Anyone > else wanna pick up the brainstorming stick here? > > As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern California area, I'm > in! > > PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' mailing list. > Hi! > > 2008/12/15 Ian Weller > >> >> >> An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the proposal to this >> list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table book containing >> candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a specific trinket >> that could represent what the community stands for (perhaps something as >> simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles containing a single >> word that the contributor thinks encompasses the >> purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. >> >> Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an EMEA FUDCon >> around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt to start this >> concept back up again? >> >> It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate the proceeds >> to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable because of the >> high number of Fedora contributors[2].) >> >> The key things that need to be done to get this rolling again are >> 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole production >> together, i.e., speech bubbles) >> 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] >> >> Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? >> >> >> >> [1]: >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html >> [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! >> [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. >> >> -- >> Ian Weller http://ianweller.org >> GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 >> "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." >> ~ Douglas Adams >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sophistechate at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 11:04:00 2008 From: sophistechate at gmail.com (Lisa Brewster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:04:00 -0800 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> My apologies for hijacking this thread with multiple posts, but I started brainstorming on my way home from work and wasn't able to stop until I wrote all my thoughts down. Questions / discussion points are in brackets. Provided this idea generates some halfway creative submissions, I see it turning into a great grassroots marketing campaign. Fedora: The Book Objectives Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo project is to communicate what Fedora means to us and our communities. Images should show a Fedora user holding an object that symbolizes how the software empowers him or her in the Fedora principles of infinity, freedom, or voice [is principles the right word to use here?]. Submissions should include a short description (250-500 words) of how the subject uses the software and how this photo demonstrates one of the principles. Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely or abstractly as they like. For example, you could choose to photograph something as straightforward as a teacher you encouraged to use Fedora in the classroom holding an apple with a Fedora sticker on it, or you could have someone photograph you holding a personal item that symbolizes what inspired you to join the project. Feel free to brainstorm for whimsical ideas as well, such as a developer covered in peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for free, right?). Group photos are also acceptable, such as a group of ambassadors holding stacks of livecds to be distributed or XO's in the wild. One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough submissions are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected photos will be published in a collectable book available for purchase. All proceeds will be donated to $cause. Requirements Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional photographer, but composition, focus, and lighting are vital to communicating a strong message. If in doubt of your photography skills, feel free to ask a friend or post your idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone in your area who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer photographers?]. Images must contain at least one person holding an object. The criteria defining both person and holding is flexible and could incorporate using hands, feet, or items resting on the body of people, robots, statues, animals, or other creative interpretations as long as it applies to Fedora and you can explain how it demonstrates infinity, freedom, or voice. The subject's face does not have to be visible. [Legal: do we need model release forms?] Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative works [and commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds go to charity" use]. The Fedora logo and editorial text based on your description will be superimposed on the image, and it may be adjusted for color, brightness, contrast, etc. [Legal: what else is needed here?] Inspiration Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? Read over the following list of power words to see if any experiences of how you've enriched someone's life because of Fedora come to mind: - success stories - empowerment - pride - culture - diversity - strength - knowledge - community - extraordinary people - solutions - freedom - sharing - adoption - innovation - contribution On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Lisa Brewster wrote: > D'oh, this is the marketing list. There are so many projects and ideas and > excited people that I'm having trouble keeping up with everything that's > going on! But yeah...new ambassador, noob mistake, nice to meet you, etc > etc etc. =] > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Lisa Brewster wrote: > >> I love this idea! But instead of using a specific item across all photos, >> I think it would be great to embrace the vast number of cultures involved in >> Fedora and let each person pick something unique that symbolizes their >> contribution or what Fedora means to their community. This is a great >> project that can evolve over time through a photoblog, and once enough >> submissions are gathered we could look at different publishing options. >> I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish visual unity >> (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for photos used on the web). Anyone >> else wanna pick up the brainstorming stick here? >> >> As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern California area, I'm >> in! >> >> PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' mailing list. >> Hi! >> >> 2008/12/15 Ian Weller >> >>> >>> >>> An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the proposal to this >>> list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table book containing >>> candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a specific trinket >>> that could represent what the community stands for (perhaps something as >>> simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles containing a single >>> word that the contributor thinks encompasses the >>> purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. >>> >>> Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an EMEA FUDCon >>> around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt to start this >>> concept back up again? >>> >>> It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate the proceeds >>> to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable because of the >>> high number of Fedora contributors[2].) >>> >>> The key things that need to be done to get this rolling again are >>> 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole production >>> together, i.e., speech bubbles) >>> 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] >>> >>> Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? >>> >>> >>> >>> [1]: >>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html >>> [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! >>> [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Weller http://ianweller.org >>> GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 >>> "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." >>> ~ Douglas Adams >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lisa Brewster >> http://www.sophistechate.com >> > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 11:22:36 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:22:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Lisa Brewster wrote: > D'oh, this is the marketing list. There are so many projects and > ideas and excited people that I'm having trouble keeping up with > everything that's going on! But yeah...new ambassador, noob mistake, > nice to meet you, etc etc etc. =] Happy to see some new voices, and new energy. Welcome! --Max From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 11:34:06 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:34:06 -0900 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910812160334o21127d10r9316b98f89214dd1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/15 Ian Weller : > > > An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the proposal to this > list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table book containing > candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a specific trinket > that could represent what the community stands for (perhaps something as > simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles containing a single > word that the contributor thinks encompasses the > purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. I stole this idea directly from "The Love Book" by Robert Rosenheck, ISBN: 0028604458. Find a copy of that book, flip through it. We could sit around and debate how to do this forever and never see it accomplished. Someone just have to start doing it. If I were going to Fudcon I would just do it. I'd get drunk the first night, cut out a cardboard speech bubble Fedora logo shape about a foot in width, color it by hand, very very sloppily, and then have people hold it up while I took candids of them. But I'm not going to make this Fudcon. So...I dare someone to do it. I double dog dare them to do it. I don't care what the object is, I'm not going to give people grief about it if they pick something different that what I would have picked. Whoever thinks this is a good idea and is going to Fudcon, just pick something fedora-ish...don't try to be perfect about it...just pick it, shove it into people's hands and take pictures of them before they let go of it. 4 or 5 people with cameras meet up the night before the first session, get drunk, decide on an object, fabricate it, and go go go. Collect photos in a flickr account and get attendees to tag the photos. Use this Fudcon and the resulting set of pictures as an experiment and debate the do's and don'ts of future efforts at this using the collected images as a reference. It's okay if the representative object changes later through debate, perfect is the enemy of good. Don't miss the chance to try doing it this time with what you have on hand. -jef"Is tired of deciding to do things and just wants to do them"spaleta From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 16 12:01:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:01:40 +0200 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494798A4.4020505@nicubunu.ro> Lisa Brewster wrote: > Fedora: The Book > > Objectives > Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo project is to > communicate what Fedora means to us and our communities. Images should > show a Fedora user holding an object that symbolizes how the software > empowers him or her in the Fedora principles of infinity, freedom, or > voice [is principles the right word to use here?]. Submissions should Keep in mind that we are transitioning from "infinity | freedom | voice" to "freedom, friends, features, first" (4f's), so those are the key points we want to communicate. > include a short description (250-500 words) of how the subject uses the > software and how this photo demonstrates one of the principles. > > Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely or > abstractly as they like. For example, you could choose to photograph > something as straightforward as a teacher you encouraged to use Fedora > in the classroom holding an apple with a Fedora sticker on it, or you > could have someone photograph you holding a personal item that > symbolizes what inspired you to join the project. Feel free to > brainstorm for whimsical ideas as well, such as a developer covered in > peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for free, right?). Group A good number of Fedora developers are employed by various entities. > photos are also acceptable, such as a group of ambassadors holding > stacks of livecds to be distributed or XO's in the wild. > > One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough submissions > are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected photos will be > published in a collectable book available for purchase. All proceeds > will be donated to $cause. > > Requirements > Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by > $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional photographer, but Don't go for X by Y, go for something like "at least N megapixels" (where N is dictated by the physical page size of the book) > composition, focus, and lighting are vital to communicating a strong > message. If in doubt of your photography skills, feel free to ask a Who will make the judgement if a photo is good enough? What if there are more submissions each week? How decide what to keep and what to reject? > friend or post your idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone > in your area who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer > photographers?]. > > Images must contain at least one person holding an object. The criteria > defining both person and holding is flexible and could incorporate using > hands, feet, or items resting on the body of people, robots, statues, > animals, or other creative interpretations as long as it applies to > Fedora and you can explain how it demonstrates infinity, freedom, or > voice. The subject's face does not have to be visible. [Legal: do we 4 f's, not i|f|v. > need model release forms?] Yes, if we show people faces we *need* a model release form. > Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative works [and > commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds go to charity" use]. According with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing we don't consider NC (non-commercial) Free for our distro, so it would be hypocritical to go with NC for the book. Better stay with something along the lines of CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. > The Fedora logo and editorial text based on your description will be > superimposed on the image, and it may be adjusted for color, brightness, > contrast, etc. [Legal: what else is needed here?] No alteration of the logo is allowed, stick with the values provided: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > Inspiration > Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? Read > over the following list of power words to see if any experiences of how > you've enriched someone's life because of Fedora come to mind: > > * success stories > * empowerment > * pride > * culture > * diversity > * strength > * knowledge > * community > * extraordinary people > * solutions > * freedom > * sharing > * adoption > * innovation > * contribution The list can be extended to uniformly cover the 4 f's. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 12:17:39 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:17:39 -0500 Subject: Moving the marketing team forward In-Reply-To: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560812120727m6734763dp1009cec1906e2bd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49479C63.6080203@redhat.com> Hey Jon, Great to see you alive and kicking. I am very pleased that you sent this email because over the last few weeks I have also given a lot of thought to re-invigorating the marketing team and we've spoken about it a few times at our last few meetings. Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Seems like we could be doing a lot more as a team. > > How can we improve? > ------------------- > > * We made a marketing plan this year, it establishes what we want to > be promoting and what we think the project is about > * We should create a *time based* marketing plan that ensures we > have things to be doing, promoting, throughout the release cycle > Agreed. I think if we break down the cycle which occurs every release into certain discreet steps we might have a much easier time of making sure we hit each one every release, right? > * We need to do this asap to make sure that we have lots prepared > for the F11 release cycle > Nod. > * We need to work closer with Red Hat PR. > * Not sure how this can work better, but a lot of stuff seems to > happen that no one outside RH ever realises. (Correct me if I'm wrong) > * Have no idea if RH PR take advantage of work that the community > does, is our work just going to waste? > See the thread about marketing classes. I am trying to see if someone from RH PR can do an online seminar revolving around marketing principles and practice, tied into how we can further expand our ties with them. > * We need to work closer with the board, and all other parts of the > project, to ensure that we're actually representing what people > believe they're doing. > Honestly, I think we are fine here, we converse with people on the board almost daily, especially Paul, and we know to communicate with them and vice-versa when things need doing. Is there an alternative approach you are suggesting? > * Related to this, we should be working with websites and docs to > shepherd the content on the static pages > By shepherd what do you mean exactly? To what extent? > * We should record media coverage of Fedora on the wiki instead of > just on the mailing list. Make a good historical archive and provide > us with the opportunity to better track how Fedora is perceived > outside of our own community across releases. > * Could even make a good static page and promotional material. On > the front page, "Read what people are saying about Fedora. Click > here." > > This is a BIG resounding yes, I've brought this up several times, I think it is crucial for us to have a repository of this stuff, not only for archival purposes, but also to actively draw content from... > * We should create a central location for people to come and learn > about what's happening in Fedora and our wider community > Fedora Weekly News? > * I still believe that a Fedora Magazine style project is the best > way to do this > I am totally on board for this. I have many great ideas that I think I can contribute to the pool for Fedora Magazine. Maybe we do one every release. > * We should consider establishing a more formal organisation for the > project, as well as thinking about how to make the best use of meeting > time. > How about we talk about this at the next meeting? I think it might serve some purpose to have people accountable and responsible for certain things, but beyond that, establishing a formal structure needs discussion and consensus... > * Having been out of the loop, I'm not really qualified to comment > on the current state here, but that aside I beleive: > * Meetings should be less about tracking progress (this is easily > done *quickly* on the mailing list) > * Meetings should be much more about exploring new tasks that we > want to persue, goals, ways to achieve these. > I don't think we cannot track progress during meetings but maybe to limit it more, and make it more of a forum for idea exchange regarding new initiatives. I've spoken about this a number of times and now that the release is behind us, I think we can focus on this... We have a meeting this thursday, I would appreciate it if you could make it, so that we can talk about setting things in a new direction. Meanwhile, to summarize, I think we can break things down into the following topics and/or action items: 1. Define our release cycle milestones and what tasks need to be accomplished at each 2. Schedule something with an RH PR person to do a marketing primer and talk about how to improve further collaboration 3. Ask Paul and the board if there is any additional ways in which we should be engaging them 4. Set up a wiki page for aggregating fedora press and start populating and tracking it 5. Discuss the possibility and efficacy of creating a Fedora Magazine 6. Discuss the possibility of a new organizational structure for marketing 7. Begin to transform meetings into a forum for talking about new initiatives and moving forward, with only as much task tracking as necessary If anyone would like to add their thoughts on any of these I would greatly appreciate it, I look forward to talking to everyone at the meeting this week. Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 12:27:29 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:27:29 -0500 Subject: Installation/Setup for magazine In-Reply-To: References: <20081210133052.GD3443@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49479EB1.4000401@redhat.com> Hey Lucas, How is this going? Do you need any help? Thanks, Jack Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > I can do that, :) > I'll have this big holiday and stuff.. :) > please send me more info, btw I already have some content, that I use > on courses for our employees.. > > 2008/12/10 Paul W. Frields > > > Over the summer, one of our Marketing contributors created an article > for a Linux magazine featuring Fedora 9. The magazine is looking to > feature Fedora 10 and wants to have a similar article by around > Christmas (25 December) for later publication. > > Is there someone in the marketing team interested in producing such an > article? I can provide details, a contact point, and probably even a > pointer to the original article to help provide scope. > > -- > Paul W. Frields > http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net : stickster @ > #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator From lucas at cefetce.br Tue Dec 16 12:36:41 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:41 -0300 Subject: Installation/Setup for magazine In-Reply-To: <49479EB1.4000401@redhat.com> References: <20081210133052.GD3443@localhost.localdomain> <49479EB1.4000401@redhat.com> Message-ID: I?m doing ok here, i think that i cant manage to finish de article tonight. :) On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Lucas, > > How is this going? Do you need any help? > > Thanks, > Jack > > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > >> I can do that, :) >> I'll have this big holiday and stuff.. :) >> please send me more info, btw I already have some content, that I use on >> courses for our employees.. >> >> 2008/12/10 Paul W. Frields > stickster at gmail.com>> >> >> Over the summer, one of our Marketing contributors created an article >> for a Linux magazine featuring Fedora 9. The magazine is looking to >> feature Fedora 10 and wants to have a similar article by around >> Christmas (25 December) for later publication. >> >> Is there someone in the marketing team interested in producing such an >> article? I can provide details, a contact point, and probably even a >> pointer to the original article to help provide scope. >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields >> http://paul.frields.org/ >> gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> irc.freenode.net : stickster @ >> #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Atenciosamente, >> Lucas do Amaral >> CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. >> Linux System Administrator Trainee >> Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. 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Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: >> I can do that, :) >> I'll have this big holiday and stuff.. :) >> please send me more info, btw I already have some content, that I use >> on courses for our employees.. >> >> 2008/12/10 Paul W. Frields > > >> >> Over the summer, one of our Marketing contributors created an article >> for a Linux magazine featuring Fedora 9. The magazine is looking to >> feature Fedora 10 and wants to have a similar article by around >> Christmas (25 December) for later publication. >> >> Is there someone in the marketing team interested in producing such an >> article? I can provide details, a contact point, and probably even a >> pointer to the original article to help provide scope. >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields >> http://paul.frields.org/ >> gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> irc.freenode.net : stickster @ >> #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Atenciosamente, >> Lucas do Amaral >> CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. >> Linux System Administrator Trainee >> Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 13:32:34 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:32:34 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> Hello Lisa, Welcome to the team and thanks for all the awesome input and feedback. I propose that we go ahead with the idea, moving swiftly. I will be at FUDCon as will Colby (RH A/V Guru) and we can begin taking pictures and video/audio there as well. Right now, I have set up a blank wiki page so we can start aggregating everything around this effort. It can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book Lisa, can you please post up what you have in this email on that page. Also, are you available to attend the marketing meeting this Thursday at 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific? I think the first step is to get pricing from somewhere, and according to that figure out how many pages the book should be. Ideally, I would think we should aim for 200 pages. What do y'all think? Thanks, Jack Lisa Brewster wrote: > My apologies for hijacking this thread with multiple posts, but I > started brainstorming on my way home from work and wasn't able to stop > until I wrote all my thoughts down. Questions / discussion points are > in brackets. Provided this idea generates some halfway creative > submissions, I see it turning into a great grassroots marketing campaign. > > Fedora: The Book > > Objectives > Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo project is to > communicate what Fedora means to us and our communities. Images > should show a Fedora user holding an object that symbolizes how the > software empowers him or her in the Fedora principles of infinity, > freedom, or voice [is principles the right word to use here?]. > Submissions should include a short description (250-500 words) of how > the subject uses the software and how this photo demonstrates one of > the principles. > > Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely or > abstractly as they like. For example, you could choose to photograph > something as straightforward as a teacher you encouraged to use Fedora > in the classroom holding an apple with a Fedora sticker on it, or you > could have someone photograph you holding a personal item that > symbolizes what inspired you to join the project. Feel free to > brainstorm for whimsical ideas as well, such as a developer covered in > peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for free, right?). > Group photos are also acceptable, such as a group of ambassadors > holding stacks of livecds to be distributed or XO's in the wild. > > One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough > submissions are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected photos > will be published in a collectable book available for purchase. All > proceeds will be donated to $cause. > > Requirements > Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by > $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional photographer, but > composition, focus, and lighting are vital to communicating a strong > message. If in doubt of your photography skills, feel free to ask a > friend or post your idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone > in your area who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer > photographers?]. > > Images must contain at least one person holding an object. The > criteria defining both person and holding is flexible and > could incorporate using hands, feet, or items resting on the body of > people, robots, statues, animals, or other creative interpretations as > long as it applies to Fedora and you can explain how it demonstrates > infinity, freedom, or voice. The subject's face does not have to be > visible. [Legal: do we need model release forms?] > > Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative works [and > commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds go to charity" > use]. The Fedora logo and editorial text based on your description > will be superimposed on the image, and it may be adjusted for color, > brightness, contrast, etc. [Legal: what else is needed here?] > > Inspiration > Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? Read > over the following list of power words to see if any experiences of > how you've enriched someone's life because of Fedora come to mind: > > * success stories > * empowerment > * pride > * culture > * diversity > * strength > * knowledge > * community > * extraordinary people > * solutions > * freedom > * sharing > * adoption > * innovation > * contribution > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Lisa Brewster > > wrote: > > D'oh, this is the marketing list. There are so many projects and > ideas and excited people that I'm having trouble keeping up with > everything that's going on! But yeah...new ambassador, noob > mistake, nice to meet you, etc etc etc. =] > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Lisa Brewster > > wrote: > > I love this idea! But instead of using a specific item across > all photos, I think it would be great to embrace the vast > number of cultures involved in Fedora and let each person pick > something unique that symbolizes their contribution or what > Fedora means to their community. This is a great project that > can evolve over time through a photoblog, and once enough > submissions are gathered we could look at different publishing > options. > > I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish > visual unity (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for photos > used on the web). Anyone else wanna pick up the brainstorming > stick here? > > As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern California > area, I'm in! > > PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' > mailing list. Hi! > > 2008/12/15 Ian Weller > > > > > An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the > proposal to this > list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table > book containing > candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a > specific trinket > that could represent what the community stands for > (perhaps something as > simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles > containing a single > word that the contributor thinks encompasses the > purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. > > Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an > EMEA FUDCon > around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt > to start this > concept back up again? > > It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate > the proceeds > to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable > because of the > high number of Fedora contributors[2].) > > The key things that need to be done to get this rolling > again are > 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole > production > together, i.e., speech bubbles) > 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] > > Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? > > > > [1]: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html > [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! > [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. > > -- > Ian Weller > > http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED > 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that > doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com > > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com > > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 13:34:47 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:34:47 -0500 Subject: Thank You In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4947AE77.1010305@redhat.com> Hello Lisa, I would like to personally thank you for getting involved and extend a warm welcome to the come. Your ideas are refreshing and the head work you did regarding the book was excellent. We can always use people with great new ideas that want to make them happen and improve the Fedora community. Thanks, Jack From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 19:28:40 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:28:40 +0100 Subject: Release Parties, some thoughts Message-ID: Hi, I know there are a lot of discussions and tasks opened in Marketing project and I don't want to overcharge with another one. I want, instead, start talking about another key elements I would suggest to discuss and work on. You know Release Events [1]: those are events that contain both the knowledgeable side and the enjoyment one in a unique, amazing mixing to have an interesting occasion to meet the new fedora release. As you know, moreover, Ambassadors took (and will take) care of the event organization, from the budget to the schedule and so on. Now, I'm here talking with you, marketers, to start thinking a way to optimize the visibility of those events, trying to figure out a way to have a better relation with the outer world and, maybe, get the most from those one (new contributors, new users and so on). I know what I'm asking is not so simple: we are talking about organizing a marketing campaign. I know it's earlier, we are currently holding some F10 Release Events, but I want to ask Marketing Leading Team to consider this for the future (F11). Best regards Francesco Ugolini From sophistechate at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 20:09:44 2008 From: sophistechate at gmail.com (Lisa Brewster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:09:44 -0800 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <494798A4.4020505@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <494798A4.4020505@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4e67a96f0812161209m398c7e6bvc2908200b1077591@mail.gmail.com> Comments continuing below... On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Lisa Brewster wrote: > >> Fedora: The Book >> >> Objectives >> Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo project is to >> communicate what Fedora means to us and our communities. Images should show >> a Fedora user holding an object that symbolizes how the software empowers >> him or her in the Fedora principles of infinity, freedom, or voice [is >> principles the right word to use here?]. Submissions should >> > > Keep in mind that we are transitioning from "infinity | freedom | voice" to > "freedom, friends, features, first" (4f's), so those are the key points we > want to communicate. > I actually wondered if that was still the current message. Can someone give me a link to existing 4f's marketing materials and artwork? > > include a short description (250-500 words) of how the subject uses the >> software and how this photo demonstrates one of the principles. >> >> Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely or abstractly >> as they like. For example, you could choose to photograph something as >> straightforward as a teacher you encouraged to use Fedora in the classroom >> holding an apple with a Fedora sticker on it, or you could have someone >> photograph you holding a personal item that symbolizes what inspired you to >> join the project. Feel free to brainstorm for whimsical ideas as well, such >> as a developer covered in peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for >> free, right?). Group >> > > A good number of Fedora developers are employed by various entities. My reasoning behind that example is that in exchange for developers donating their time to an open source project, their employers are investing in the in the platform they're building on and have a "voice" in the direction of the distro. This is what I had in mind to include in the short editorial message added to each image. I'd love to hear other example ideas that tie in better with the 4f's message! > > photos are also acceptable, such as a group of ambassadors holding stacks >> of livecds to be distributed or XO's in the wild. >> One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough submissions >> are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected photos will be published in >> a collectable book available for purchase. All proceeds will be donated to >> $cause. >> >> Requirements >> Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by >> $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional photographer, but >> > > Don't go for X by Y, go for something like "at least N megapixels" (where N > is dictated by the physical page size of the book) > > composition, focus, and lighting are vital to communicating a strong >> message. If in doubt of your photography skills, feel free to ask a >> > > Who will make the judgement if a photo is good enough? What if there are > more submissions each week? How decide what to keep and what to reject? Perhaps it should run more like the Postsecret project and post a batch of all submissions once a week, then the strongest images are selected for the book. I'm open to suggestions on how to set filtering criteria, but it would be a combination of artistic quality and how well the photo description supports our marketing message. > > > friend or post your idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone in >> your area who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer >> photographers?]. >> >> Images must contain at least one person holding an object. The criteria >> defining both person and holding is flexible and could incorporate using >> hands, feet, or items resting on the body of people, robots, statues, >> animals, or other creative interpretations as long as it applies to Fedora >> and you can explain how it demonstrates infinity, freedom, or voice. The >> subject's face does not have to be visible. [Legal: do we >> > > 4 f's, not i|f|v. > > need model release forms?] >> > > Yes, if we show people faces we *need* a model release form. Boo, messy logistics. I'm working with another company who has a really slick process for handling model release forms, so I'll do some research to see what we can streamline. > > > Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative works [and >> commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds go to charity" use]. >> > > According with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing we don't consider > NC (non-commercial) Free for our distro, so it would be hypocritical to go > with NC for the book. Better stay with something along the lines of CC-BY or > CC-BY-SA. > Works for me. > > > The Fedora logo and editorial text based on your description will be >> superimposed on the image, and it may be adjusted for color, brightness, >> contrast, etc. [Legal: what else is needed here?] >> > > No alteration of the logo is allowed, stick with the values provided: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Not alteration of the logo, but the submitted image. > > > Inspiration >> Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? Read over >> the following list of power words to see if any experiences of how you've >> enriched someone's life because of Fedora come to mind: >> * success stories >> * empowerment >> * pride >> * culture >> * diversity >> * strength >> * knowledge >> * community >> * extraordinary people >> * solutions >> * freedom >> * sharing >> * adoption >> * innovation >> * contribution >> > > The list can be extended to uniformly cover the 4 f's. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It can be found here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book > Oh my God, I love you two :) > Lisa, can you please post up what you have in this email on that page. > Also, are you available to attend the marketing meeting this Thursday at > 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific? > Lucky me, I won't have school for this week's marketing meeting! Can somebody make sure this is on whatever task list is necessary for the mktg meeting? > I think the first step is to get pricing from somewhere, and according > to that figure out how many pages the book should be. Ideally, I would > think we should aim for 200 pages. What do y'all think? > I'll look at some places online. I was thinking 100 pages at the most, but we can discuss it later. I think I'm going to take Jeff's messages to heart (from his reply down the thread): we need to get this done. We can do multiple editions, so I'm not sure if we need to worry too much about "getting" everybody in the book. We'll also need to determine the format of the book -- first, what "trinket" or whatnot we'll use to represent Fedora (something where we can, by holding it, proclaim "I am Fedora", whether obvious or not) -- and second, if we want to do a small interview with them and grab a quote out of it that speaks well of them and Fedora. I'd like to come up with a draft design for the book cover and the individual pages sometime this week. Also, Lisa -- you've taken this idea and already done beautiful ideas with it. I welcome you happily to the marketing list and I'd love to see what this turns out to be! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Added original proposal text to the wiki page. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Lisa, > > Welcome to the team and thanks for all the awesome input and feedback. I > propose that we go ahead with the idea, moving swiftly. I will be at FUDCon > as will Colby (RH A/V Guru) and we can begin taking pictures and video/audio > there as well. > > Right now, I have set up a blank wiki page so we can start aggregating > everything around this effort. It can be found here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book > > Lisa, can you please post up what you have in this email on that page. > Also, are you available to attend the marketing meeting this Thursday at 3 > Eastern, 12 Pacific? > > I think the first step is to get pricing from somewhere, and according to > that figure out how many pages the book should be. Ideally, I would think > we should aim for 200 pages. What do y'all think? > > Thanks, > Jack > > Lisa Brewster wrote: > >> My apologies for hijacking this thread with multiple posts, but I started >> brainstorming on my way home from work and wasn't able to stop until I wrote >> all my thoughts down. Questions / discussion points are in brackets. >> Provided this idea generates some halfway creative submissions, I see it >> turning into a great grassroots marketing campaign. >> >> Fedora: The Book >> >> Objectives >> Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo project is to >> communicate what Fedora means to us and our communities. Images should show >> a Fedora user holding an object that symbolizes how the software empowers >> him or her in the Fedora principles of infinity, freedom, or voice [is >> principles the right word to use here?]. Submissions should include a short >> description (250-500 words) of how the subject uses the software and how >> this photo demonstrates one of the principles. >> >> Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely or abstractly >> as they like. For example, you could choose to photograph something as >> straightforward as a teacher you encouraged to use Fedora in the classroom >> holding an apple with a Fedora sticker on it, or you could have someone >> photograph you holding a personal item that symbolizes what inspired you to >> join the project. Feel free to brainstorm for whimsical ideas as well, such >> as a developer covered in peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for >> free, right?). Group photos are also acceptable, such as a group of >> ambassadors holding stacks of livecds to be distributed or XO's in the wild. >> >> One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough submissions >> are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected photos will be published in >> a collectable book available for purchase. All proceeds will be donated to >> $cause. >> >> Requirements >> Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by >> $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional photographer, but >> composition, focus, and lighting are vital to communicating a strong >> message. If in doubt of your photography skills, feel free to ask a friend >> or post your idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone in your area >> who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer photographers?]. >> >> Images must contain at least one person holding an object. The criteria >> defining both person and holding is flexible and could incorporate using >> hands, feet, or items resting on the body of people, robots, statues, >> animals, or other creative interpretations as long as it applies to Fedora >> and you can explain how it demonstrates infinity, freedom, or voice. The >> subject's face does not have to be visible. [Legal: do we need model >> release forms?] >> >> Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative works [and >> commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds go to charity" use]. >> The Fedora logo and editorial text based on your description will be >> superimposed on the image, and it may be adjusted for color, brightness, >> contrast, etc. [Legal: what else is needed here?] >> >> Inspiration >> Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? Read over >> the following list of power words to see if any experiences of how you've >> enriched someone's life because of Fedora come to mind: >> * success stories >> * empowerment >> * pride >> * culture >> * diversity >> * strength >> * knowledge >> * community >> * extraordinary people >> * solutions >> * freedom >> * sharing >> * adoption >> * innovation >> * contribution >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Lisa Brewster > sophistechate at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> D'oh, this is the marketing list. There are so many projects and >> ideas and excited people that I'm having trouble keeping up with >> everything that's going on! But yeah...new ambassador, noob >> mistake, nice to meet you, etc etc etc. =] >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Lisa Brewster >> > wrote: >> >> I love this idea! But instead of using a specific item across >> all photos, I think it would be great to embrace the vast >> number of cultures involved in Fedora and let each person pick >> something unique that symbolizes their contribution or what >> Fedora means to their community. This is a great project that >> can evolve over time through a photoblog, and once enough >> submissions are gathered we could look at different publishing >> options. >> >> I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish >> visual unity (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for photos >> used on the web). Anyone else wanna pick up the brainstorming >> stick here? >> >> As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern California >> area, I'm in! >> PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' >> mailing list. Hi! >> >> 2008/12/15 Ian Weller > > >> >> >> >> >> An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the >> proposal to this >> list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table >> book containing >> candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a >> specific trinket >> that could represent what the community stands for >> (perhaps something as >> simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles >> containing a single >> word that the contributor thinks encompasses the >> purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native language. >> >> Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, with an >> EMEA FUDCon >> around the corner (... right?) should we make an attempt >> to start this >> concept back up again? >> >> It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and donate >> the proceeds >> to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable >> because of the >> high number of Fedora contributors[2].) >> >> The key things that need to be done to get this rolling >> again are >> 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie the whole >> production >> together, i.e., speech bubbles) >> 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] >> >> Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? >> >> >> >> [1]: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html >> [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! >> [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, of course. >> >> -- >> Ian Weller > > >> http://ianweller.org >> GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED >> 7C97 EFA8 4A36 >> "Technology is a word that describes something that >> doesn't work yet." >> ~ Douglas Adams >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> >> >> -- Lisa Brewster >> http://www.sophistechate.com >> >> >> >> >> -- Lisa Brewster >> http://www.sophistechate.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lisa Brewster >> http://www.sophistechate.com >> > > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49480EF4.3020603@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > We'll also need to determine the format of the book -- first, what > "trinket" or whatnot we'll use to represent Fedora (something where we > can, by holding it, proclaim "I am Fedora", whether obvious or not) How about the "I am Fedora" sticker? http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3113410315/ ~m From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 20:26:35 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:26:35 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812161223y37e4e228pc1a6ccbf5025c592@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <4e67a96f0812161223y37e4e228pc1a6ccbf5025c592@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49480EFB.3030105@redhat.com> Awesome great, we will work from there. It's gonna be a fun project for us... Jack Lisa Brewster wrote: > Man, now I wish I could go to FUDCon!! There's a slight chance I'll > be able to get work to send me, but the economy's got budgets really > tight. And I've got a meeting on Thursday that will take up half the > day, so I won't be able to make it to the marketing meeting. > > Added original proposal text to the wiki page. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Jack Aboutboul > wrote: > > Hello Lisa, > > Welcome to the team and thanks for all the awesome input and > feedback. I propose that we go ahead with the idea, moving > swiftly. I will be at FUDCon as will Colby (RH A/V Guru) and we > can begin taking pictures and video/audio there as well. > > Right now, I have set up a blank wiki page so we can start > aggregating everything around this effort. It can be found here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book > > Lisa, can you please post up what you have in this email on that > page. Also, are you available to attend the marketing meeting > this Thursday at 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific? > > I think the first step is to get pricing from somewhere, and > according to that figure out how many pages the book should be. > Ideally, I would think we should aim for 200 pages. What do > y'all think? > > Thanks, > Jack > > Lisa Brewster wrote: > > My apologies for hijacking this thread with multiple posts, > but I started brainstorming on my way home from work and > wasn't able to stop until I wrote all my thoughts down. > Questions / discussion points are in brackets. Provided this > idea generates some halfway creative submissions, I see it > turning into a great grassroots marketing campaign. > > Fedora: The Book > > Objectives > Driven by the Fedora Ambassadors, the goal of this photo > project is to communicate what Fedora means to us and our > communities. Images should show a Fedora user holding an > object that symbolizes how the software empowers him or her in > the Fedora principles of infinity, freedom, or voice [is > principles the right word to use here?]. Submissions should > include a short description (250-500 words) of how the subject > uses the software and how this photo demonstrates one of the > principles. > > Photographers are open to interpret this theme as concretely > or abstractly as they like. For example, you could choose to > photograph something as straightforward as a teacher you > encouraged to use Fedora in the classroom holding an apple > with a Fedora sticker on it, or you could have someone > photograph you holding a personal item that symbolizes what > inspired you to join the project. Feel free to brainstorm for > whimsical ideas as well, such as a developer covered in > peanuts (because you have to be "nuts" to work for free, > right?). Group photos are also acceptable, such as a group of > ambassadors holding stacks of livecds to be distributed or > XO's in the wild. > One photo per week will be posted on $website. Once enough > submissions are collected [one year's worth = 52?], selected > photos will be published in a collectable book available for > purchase. All proceeds will be donated to $cause. > > Requirements > Images should be of high quality and at least $x-resolution by > $y-resolution. You don't have to be a professional > photographer, but composition, focus, and lighting are vital > to communicating a strong message. If in doubt of your > photography skills, feel free to ask a friend or post your > idea to $mailinglist to see if we can find someone in your > area who's willing to help [maintain a wiki page for volunteer > photographers?]. > > Images must contain at least one person holding an object. > The criteria defining both person and holding is flexible and > could incorporate using hands, feet, or items resting on the > body of people, robots, statues, animals, or other creative > interpretations as long as it applies to Fedora and you can > explain how it demonstrates infinity, freedom, or voice. The > subject's face does not have to be visible. [Legal: do we > need model release forms?] > > Images must be licensed in a manner that allows derivative > works [and commercial? Not sure what's required for "proceeds > go to charity" use]. The Fedora logo and editorial text based > on your description will be superimposed on the image, and it > may be adjusted for color, brightness, contrast, etc. [Legal: > what else is needed here?] > > Inspiration > Want to contribute to The Book but aren't sure where to begin? > Read over the following list of power words to see if any > experiences of how you've enriched someone's life because of > Fedora come to mind: > * success stories > * empowerment > * pride > * culture > * diversity > * strength > * knowledge > * community > * extraordinary people > * solutions > * freedom > * sharing > * adoption > * innovation > * contribution > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Lisa Brewster > > >> wrote: > > D'oh, this is the marketing list. There are so many > projects and > ideas and excited people that I'm having trouble keeping up > with > everything that's going on! But yeah...new ambassador, noob > mistake, nice to meet you, etc etc etc. =] > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Lisa Brewster > > >> wrote: > > I love this idea! But instead of using a specific item > across > all photos, I think it would be great to embrace the vast > number of cultures involved in Fedora and let each > person pick > something unique that symbolizes their contribution or what > Fedora means to their community. This is a great > project that > can evolve over time through a photoblog, and once enough > submissions are gathered we could look at different > publishing > options. > > I suggest establishing some kind of guidelines to establish > visual unity (or at least an unobtrusive watermark for > photos > used on the web). Anyone else wanna pick up the > brainstorming > stick here? > > As a photographer willing to travel in the Southern > California > area, I'm in! > PS: This is also my first contribution to the ambassadors' > mailing list. Hi! > > 2008/12/15 Ian Weller > >> > > > > > An entire release ago (6 months) Jeff Spaleta made the > proposal to this > list[1] for Fedora to produce a (virtual?) coffee table > book containing > candid pictures of Fedora contributors all holding a > specific trinket > that could represent what the community stands for > (perhaps something as > simple as a Fedora logo) -- or with speech bubbles > containing a single > word that the contributor thinks encompasses the > purpose/meaning/whatever of Fedora in their native > language. > > Seeing how we're coming up upon a major NA FUDCon, > with an > EMEA FUDCon > around the corner (... right?) should we make an > attempt > to start this > concept back up again? > > It'd be nice to be able to sell a physical book and > donate > the proceeds > to OLPC or something. (Not sure if this is even viable > because of the > high number of Fedora contributors[2].) > > The key things that need to be done to get this rolling > again are > 1) decide on a trinket (or something else to tie > the whole > production > together, i.e., speech bubbles) > 2) start taking photos at FUDConF11[3] > > Other brain dumps or thoughts to follow? > > > > [1]: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-May/msg00315.html > [2]: Not that I'm saying this isn't good! > [3]: We can't limit this to attendees of FUDConF11, > of course. > > -- > Ian Weller > >> > http://ianweller.org > > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED > 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that > doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Lisa Brewster > http://www.sophistechate.com From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 21:12:05 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:12:05 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <49480EF4.3020603@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <49480EF4.3020603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081216211205.GA14681@gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:26:28PM -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> We'll also need to determine the format of the book -- first, what >> "trinket" or whatnot we'll use to represent Fedora (something where we >> can, by holding it, proclaim "I am Fedora", whether obvious or not) > > How about the "I am Fedora" sticker? > That would probably be a good example of a picture that could go in the book, too. The "I am Fedora" sticker has enough mass reproducability that anybody who wanted one could probably get one pretty fast, right? (Nice expression, btw.) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 21:13:37 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:13:37 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812161225i668ec24ds630da9dc4dd6e4de@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <4e67a96f0812161225i668ec24ds630da9dc4dd6e4de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081216211337.GB14681@gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:25:15PM -0800, Lisa Brewster wrote: > Added original proposal text to the wiki page. > Thanks, this will help keep track of things. Those who notice things would probably have noticed that I have moved the page to [[Picture book]] as per the naming guidelines. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 21:39:45 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:39:45 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49482021.3020404@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > Lucky me, I won't have school for this week's marketing meeting! Can > somebody make sure this is on whatever task list is necessary for the > mktg meeting? > > It's already there... Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 21:43:24 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:43:24 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <49482021.3020404@redhat.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <49482021.3020404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081216214324.GA15620@gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 04:39:45PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > It's already there... > Thanks. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So people don't have to wait for an event to contribute a candid. -jef"Instead of printing out a sticker I just want to open up an image viewer window with the sticker design on an xo while I hold the xo in front of me in tablet viewing mode in a picture"spaleta From devrim at CommandPrompt.com Wed Dec 17 06:08:23 2008 From: devrim at CommandPrompt.com (Devrim =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=DCND=DCZ?=) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:08:23 +0200 Subject: PostgreSQL using Fedora 10 as the base for their LiveCD In-Reply-To: <494693D5.2070601@fedoraproject.org> References: <494693D5.2070601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1229494103.3142.109.camel@laptop.gunduz.org> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 22:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Not really a news article per se - but nice to see PostgreSQL using > > F10 as the base distribution. > > Devrim works for CommandPrompt, a PostgreSQL consulting organization > and is a active contributor of Fedora maintaining many PostgreSQL > packages He has been pushing out live cd's for a while now. I think, > he is also interested in adding support for PostgreSQL to Spacewalk. > Notice a pattern there? Wow, lots of PostgreSQL word around ;) Anyway, FWIW, this iso has been downloaded 840 times in last 2 days, and I hope it also helps Fedora to be used more and more. -- Devrim G?ND?Z , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: PL/php, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 17 07:09:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:09:58 +0200 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812161209m398c7e6bvc2908200b1077591@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <494798A4.4020505@nicubunu.ro> <4e67a96f0812161209m398c7e6bvc2908200b1077591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4948A5C6.6090401@nicubunu.ro> Lisa Brewster wrote: > > I actually wondered if that was still the current message. Can someone > give me a link to existing 4f's marketing materials and artwork? Here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/four-fs-four-posters.png And more: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From choke at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 16:15:39 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:15:39 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 08:32:34AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> I propose that we go ahead with the idea, moving swiftly. I will be at >> FUDCon as will Colby (RH A/V Guru) and we can begin taking pictures and >> video/audio there as well. >> >> Right now, I have set up a blank wiki page so we can start aggregating >> everything around this effort. It can be found here: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book >> >> > Oh my God, I love you two :) > > >> Lisa, can you please post up what you have in this email on that page. >> Also, are you available to attend the marketing meeting this Thursday at >> 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific? >> >> > Lucky me, I won't have school for this week's marketing meeting! Can > somebody make sure this is on whatever task list is necessary for the > mktg meeting? > > >> I think the first step is to get pricing from somewhere, and according >> to that figure out how many pages the book should be. Ideally, I would >> think we should aim for 200 pages. What do y'all think? >> >> > I'll look at some places online. I was thinking 100 pages at the most, > but we can discuss it later. > > I think I'm going to take Jeff's messages to heart (from his reply down > the thread): we need to get this done. We can do multiple editions, so > I'm not sure if we need to worry too much about "getting" everybody in > the book. > > We'll also need to determine the format of the book -- first, what > "trinket" or whatnot we'll use to represent Fedora (something where we > can, by holding it, proclaim "I am Fedora", whether obvious or not) -- > and second, if we want to do a small interview with them and grab a > quote out of it that speaks well of them and Fedora. I'd like to come up > with a draft design for the book cover and the individual pages sometime > this week. > > Also, Lisa -- you've taken this idea and already done beautiful ideas > with it. I welcome you happily to the marketing list and I'd love to > see what this turns out to be! > > Having missed Jack's previous message (ahhhhhh so much to do!), I will say that I'm going to try to do as much possible for all of this stuff while I'm up there. I'll bring my camera and I'll also be shooting some I am Fedora stuff with M?ir??n as well as just capturing the event and sessions, etc. So, any help we can get rounding up people to make this go smoothly would be awesome. It gets a little crazy sometimes when you try to do this stuff. I think it would be absolutely awesome to have a coffee table book. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jaa at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 17:14:33 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:14:33 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> Colby Hoke wrote: > Having missed Jack's previous message (ahhhhhh so much to do!), I will > say that I'm going to try to do as much possible for all of this stuff > while I'm up there. I'll bring my camera and I'll also be shooting > some I am Fedora stuff with M?ir??n as well as just capturing the > event and sessions, etc. So, any help we can get rounding up people to > make this go smoothly would be awesome. It gets a little crazy > sometimes when you try to do this stuff. > > I think it would be absolutely awesome to have a coffee table book. > Awesome Colby, maybe we can sit down with mizmo while we are at fudcon and brainstorm some more. Sound good? Thanks, Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 18:37:21 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:37:21 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:14:33PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Colby Hoke wrote: >> Having missed Jack's previous message (ahhhhhh so much to do!), I will >> say that I'm going to try to do as much possible for all of this stuff >> while I'm up there. I'll bring my camera and I'll also be shooting >> some I am Fedora stuff with M?ir??n as well as just capturing the >> event and sessions, etc. So, any help we can get rounding up people to >> make this go smoothly would be awesome. It gets a little crazy >> sometimes when you try to do this stuff. >> >> I think it would be absolutely awesome to have a coffee table book. >> > Awesome Colby, maybe we can sit down with mizmo while we are at fudcon > and brainstorm some more. Sound good? > Or should we brainstorm on IRC and get most of the picture-acquiring at FUDCon? -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 21:21:27 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:21:27 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49496D57.5080003@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > Or should we brainstorm on IRC and get most of the picture-acquiring at > FUDCon? > > Well both. We will brainstorm on IRC and then hopefully to help get some artistic perspective at FUDCon. I think planning will go on in phases based on what point we are at, so FUDCon might be phase 2, which is beyond initial planning. Jack From jaa at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 21:26:38 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:26:38 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting Tomorrow: Please Come!!! Message-ID: <49496E8E.8030402@redhat.com> Hello All, F10 is out the door and there is much to discuss include the multiple new initiatives which have been brought up over the last week. I strongly urge EVERYONE to please try and make tomorrows marketing meeting. The more of us show up, the better case I have to get someone from RH marketing to do a seminar with us, and the more voices are heard, the better the new initiatives will be. I will send out the reminder tomorrow morning as usual, but for now the info is below: What: Fedora Marketing Meeting When: Thursday 18 Dec 2008, 20.00UTC, 3 Eastern, 12 Noon Pacific Where: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-meeting Thanks and keep up all the great work, Jack From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 21:30:14 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:14 +0100 Subject: Marketing Meeting Tomorrow: Please Come!!! In-Reply-To: <49496E8E.8030402@redhat.com> References: <49496E8E.8030402@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > F10 is out the door and there is much to discuss include the multiple new > initiatives which have been brought up over the last week. > > I strongly urge EVERYONE to please try and make tomorrows marketing meeting. > > The more of us show up, the better case I have to get someone from RH > marketing to do a seminar with us, and the more voices are heard, the better > the new initiatives will be. Great, I'll be there. Regards Francesco Ugolini From jaa at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 22:01:37 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:01:37 -0500 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign Message-ID: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> Hello All, A number of times already we have discussed the development of a video series highlighting the members of our community. The idea was suggested multiple times by multiple different people, each one with their own twist. Now that the release is done, and FUDCon is coming up, I think we should discuss this in earnest. It could work out really well if we solidified plans in the next couple of weeks because then we can take advantage the 120 plus attendees at FUDCon for taping. I already understand that these types of activities will be taking place regardless, so might as well jump on the bandwagon. I think we need to focus on 3 areas: 1. Concept: We have had 3-4 different suggestions on how this should be framed and maybe its time to solidify the idea. What do we end up naming it? Do we want to professionally produce it, or have user submitted videos? Will we follow a general guideline for such videos or will it be freeform? This will help people who end up shooting/editing/aggregating video have a clear definition of what needs to be filmed and how it needs to be edited. 2. Content: What do we want to have the people in the video, doing or saying. What is the message? 3. Presentation: What is the Visual Motif? For now, I have added it to the task list and have set up a wiki page here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Face_of_Fedora and seeded it with some content. Please feel free to add to it. Hopefully we can discuss this at the meeting tomorrow as well. What do you guys think? Thanks P.S. Colby, I would really like your thoughts on this too, from a video professionals standpoint. From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 22:16:16 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:16 -0600 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <49496D57.5080003@redhat.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> <49496D57.5080003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081217221616.GB24332@gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 04:21:27PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Well both. We will brainstorm on IRC and then hopefully to help get > some artistic perspective at FUDCon. > Artistic perspective can also be achieved in #fedora-art or on fedora-art-list ;) > I think planning will go on in phases based on what point we are at, so > FUDCon might be phase 2, which is beyond initial planning. > Might be good to plan this out, and take into account other FUDCons. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just wanted to point out that I have a lot of raw videos from the last Boston FUDcon, and just a small selection of them were used in the video I already produced in pitivi: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html I did solicit folks to send in their own video clips for a second video, but I didn't receive any... :( > 1. Concept: We have had 3-4 different suggestions on how this should be > framed and maybe its time to solidify the idea. What do we end up naming > it? Do we want to professionally produce it, or have user submitted > videos? Will we follow a general guideline for such videos or will it > be freeform? This will help people who end up > shooting/editing/aggregating video have a clear definition of what needs > to be filmed and how it needs to be edited. I think one of the points of filming a video like this and getting a cross-section of Fedora users and developers on camera is to show people from all around the world and all different parts of the community. Some of the feedback I got on the video linked above was, "Oh wow, I had no idea was that person or how they looked before!" I think it's cool to introduce people to each other this way and it would be quite difficult to do this without accepting user-submitted video contributions. I think maybe if we try to advertise that we are accepting user-contributed videos, we should include a tutorial with cheese and maybe a guide or link to a guide that talks about which webcams work with Fedora and other ways of getting your homemade videos submitted. > 2. Content: What do we want to have the people in the video, doing or > saying. What is the message? I kind of like how it was done in the video above - your name, your irc nick, what you work on, and "I am Fedora." I don't know if any release forms or anything are needed to do this, but I'd like to see the videos be explicitly openly licensed as well. (Does anyone know more about release forms?) > > 3. Presentation: What is the Visual Motif? I would like to see the video titles use the Fedora MgOpen Modata font, I've been frustrated in the past when non-Fedora/non-Free Interstate was used in Fedora videos. It would be nice to subtitle the video too since we have so many folks with different native languages involved in Fedora. I think clean & simple is good to make the people the focus. > Hopefully we can discuss this at the meeting tomorrow as well. I'm hoping to make the meeting tomorrow but I'm not 100% sure I'll be able to. ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 04:54:42 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:42 -0700 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> A number of times already we have discussed the development of a video >> series highlighting the members of our community. The idea was suggested >> multiple times by multiple different people, each one with their own twist. >> Now that the release is done, and FUDCon is coming up, I think we should >> discuss this in earnest. > > I just wanted to point out that I have a lot of raw videos from the last > Boston FUDcon, and just a small selection of them were used in the video I > already produced in pitivi: > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html > > I did solicit folks to send in their own video clips for a second video, but > I didn't receive any... :( > >> 1. Concept: We have had 3-4 different suggestions on how this should be >> framed and maybe its time to solidify the idea. What do we end up naming it? >> Do we want to professionally produce it, or have user submitted videos? >> Will we follow a general guideline for such videos or will it be freeform? >> This will help people who end up shooting/editing/aggregating video have a >> clear definition of what needs to be filmed and how it needs to be edited. > > I think one of the points of filming a video like this and getting a > cross-section of Fedora users and developers on camera is to show people > from all around the world and all different parts of the community. Some of > the feedback I got on the video linked above was, "Oh wow, I had no idea > was that person or how they looked before!" I think it's cool to > introduce people to each other this way and it would be quite difficult to > do this without accepting user-submitted video contributions. I think maybe > if we try to advertise that we are accepting user-contributed videos, we > should include a tutorial with cheese and maybe a guide or link to a guide > that talks about which webcams work with Fedora and other ways of getting > your homemade videos submitted. I can do this, I'd be happy to create a screencast on how to use cheese. I've not tested it in F10 anyway, so it needs another look. Cheers, Clint From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 07:20:45 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: About creating a Fedora coffee table book.... Message-ID: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, I think Ian, Jack, and Lisa, and all the others, have come up with a great idea. A Fedora coffee table book would be a great visual aide as well as a great keepsake for the Fedora community. Pictures from all over the world would demonstrate the diversity of the Fedora community, like nothing else. I am a book packager and author. I have put together several books, both my own and for others, and I think I have a fair understanding of what might entail with putting together a coffee table book. So let me chime in as follows. First the downside: 1. Coffee table books, or any picture book, are the most expensive books to create and publish, going. The "4-color" offset process means four plates for every image or picture. 2. Ordinary snapshots, taken at an event or FUDCON, would be totally unsuitable for such a book. Mainly because of quality, but also because of content. Web graphics, as many of you know, look fine at 72 DPI (dots per inch), which is the standard setting in the GIMP for web graphics. But picture book quality graphics, especially large visual images, start at 600 DPI. Many publishers now want 1200 DPI: and up. 3. Most high quality pictures (above 600 DPI) are staged. Meaning they are models (or ordinary people) being absolutely still. Any movement appears as a blur. 4. The above means the pictures must be shot with a high quality camera. Cameras that will overcome movement are expensive. 5. Such books usually use high quality and thus, more expensive paper suitable for photo images (and water-proof), adding to the end price of the book. 6. Binding for such a book, is usually stitched. Perfect Bound, clumps of folded pages glued together, the most inexpensive binding going, would need a larger amount of pages, usually above 130 before they will hold together. 7. Taking all of this into account, the cost-driven price of such a book would probably be in the $25.00 dollar range and up, even as a paperback. Assuming there was a need to generate a profit from the book. 8. Coffee table books are usually larger, 11 x 16, or something. The size will determine the photographs used and will establish a quality goal for them. A 6 x 8 photo may look good at that size, but scale it up to say 12 x 16 and it may be unsuitable. An old rule of thumb is to scan photos instead of scaling them. Scaling is one-dimensional; scanning allows you options. The plus side: Now, having said all that, I still think it would be doable. The main downside would be getting the high quality photographs we would need. That would mean we would have to be selective in the photo-images we used. We could possibly use images from a FUDCON, but not all images. Maybe some could be cropped and be suitable, others could be dithered with, others still might pass right from the start. But we would probably need hundreds of photographs to get the few necessary. That means that having hundreds of people sending in stacks of photos, is probably not going to work. A photo has to be chosen according to its print quality and not just "cool" content. As much as we would all like to have a copy of that photo showing Paul Fields shoving Bill Gates off a cliff, if it does not print well it would not make the book. However, there is a reliable test everyone can do to weed out the unsuitable pictures before they get submitted, meaning that whoever is selecting the photos for a book, would not be as swamped. This is a simple test that many printers use to determine photo quality for printed material. Take the photo, run it through a scanner, one that you can set the resolution and DPI values to at least 600 DPI. And you can play with these values somewhat. High quality scanners often allow you to dither with the photo. Now, don't look at the image on your computer screen, print it out and see what you get. Even a cheap ink jet printer (or better) will give you an idea of what the results will be. The actual packaging of the book is nothing. I or someone else could do that for nothing. There have been several books packaged using Scribus, an up-stream open source package that was not part of F10, but easily added. So, having said all that, please understand that I am not claiming to be the "be all and end all" of publishing or book packaging. In fact, I am probably somewhat behind the times and if anybody has a better idea or way, lets hear it. But I know enough to know that creating a quality book product depends on the quality of the material that makes up the book and not just the publishing or printing aspect. I have not even mentioned publishers, or printers. Today they are really just middlemen; publishers are quickly becoming book marketers and not book creators. They are still necessary, but are slowly becoming obsolete as the industry reels from innovation. So, perhaps we could do this as a start. Maybe we could get a couple hundred photos, from all over the planet and the Fedora community, and pass them around a committee. Everyone chooses the ones they like and we toss the rest. Then we could put the selected ones on-line and people could vote or something. For a 110 page book, with print quality photographs on the base pages and text on the back pages, we would need probably 50 or 60 good photographs. Double that with photos on the back pages. So, what do say you? Anyone want to take a shot at this? -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 18 07:52:35 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:52:35 +0200 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <494A0143.6040102@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > I just wanted to point out that I have a lot of raw videos from the last > Boston FUDcon, and just a small selection of them were used in the video > I already produced in pitivi: > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html > > I did solicit folks to send in their own video clips for a second video, > but I didn't receive any... :( I tried but the webcam on my Eee was not up for the task and it is the only camera I have access to. > I kind of like how it was done in the video above - your name, your irc > nick, what you work on, and "I am Fedora." "I am PC" :D :D :D > I would like to see the video titles use the Fedora MgOpen Modata font, > I've been frustrated in the past when non-Fedora/non-Free Interstate was > used in Fedora videos. > > It would be nice to subtitle the video too since we have so many folks > with different native languages involved in Fedora. We still have troubles with the tools (PiTiVi) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 18 08:22:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:22:19 +0200 Subject: About creating a Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494A083B.3020208@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > First the downside: > > 2. Ordinary snapshots, taken at an event or FUDCON, would be totally unsuitable for such a book. Mainly because of quality, but also because of content. Web graphics, as many of you know, look fine at 72 DPI (dots per inch), which is the standard setting in the GIMP for web graphics. But picture book quality graphics, especially large visual images, start at 600 DPI. Many publishers now want 1200 DPI: and up. Why do you make the assumption that we don't know to use GIMP? And we are talking here about imported photos, not about newly created images. > 3. Most high quality pictures (above 600 DPI) are staged. Meaning they are models (or ordinary people) being absolutely still. Any movement appears as a blur. Yes, we don't have the perfect conditions, but knowing the goal is print we can work a bit more on the photos. > 4. The above means the pictures must be shot with a high quality camera. Cameras that will overcome movement are expensive. Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? > 7. Taking all of this into account, the cost-driven price of such a book would probably be in the $25.00 dollar range and up, even as a paperback. Assuming there was a need to generate a profit from the book. I don't remember seeing something about turning a profit. > > The plus side: > > Now, having said all that, I still think it would be doable. The main downside would be getting the high quality photographs we would need. > That would mean we would have to be selective in the photo-images we used. We could possibly use images from a FUDCON, but not all images. Maybe some could be cropped and be suitable, others could be dithered with, others still might pass right from the start. But we would probably need hundreds of photographs to get the few necessary. We have over 600 photos made at the Brno FUDCon and a lot more of them were left out: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudconbrno/pool/ (and we have not planned for a book) > However, there is a reliable test everyone can do to weed out the unsuitable pictures before they get submitted, meaning that whoever is selecting the photos for a book, would not be as swamped. This is a simple test that many printers use to determine photo quality for printed material. Take the photo, run it through a scanner, one that you can set the resolution and DPI values to at least 600 DPI. And you can play with these values somewhat. High quality scanners often allow you to dither with the photo. Now, don't look at the image on your computer screen, print it out and see what you get. Even a cheap ink jet printer (or better) will give you an idea of what the results will be. How I can run trough a scanner my photos, they are already in a digital format... > The actual packaging of the book is nothing. I or someone else could do that for nothing. There have been several books packaged using Scribus, an > up-stream open source package that was not part of F10, but easily added. Scribus *is* part of Fedora, however, not part of the default install. I for one would be interested in reading a bit about how Scribus can be used to create such a book with it. > So, having said all that, please understand that I am not claiming to be the "be all and end all" of publishing or book packaging. In fact, I am probably somewhat behind the times and if anybody has a better idea or way, lets hear it. But I know enough to know that creating a quality book product depends on the quality of the material that makes up the book and not just the publishing or printing aspect. Many of us lack the experience in printing, so advices are useful. > I have not even mentioned publishers, or printers. Today they are really just middlemen; publishers are quickly becoming book marketers and not book creators. They are still necessary, but are slowly becoming obsolete as the industry reels from innovation. How about using something like lulu.com as a publisher? For example http://www.lulu.com/en/products/photo_books/?cid=en_product_portal > So, perhaps we could do this as a start. Maybe we could get a couple hundred photos, from all over the planet and the Fedora community, and pass them around a committee. Everyone chooses the ones they like and we toss the rest. Then we could put the selected ones on-line and people could vote or something. For a 110 page book, with print quality photographs on the base pages and text on the back pages, we would need probably 50 or 60 good photographs. Double that with photos on the back pages. A couple hundred photos is piece of cake, expect the next Boston FUDCon to produce a few time more. For photos from Europe you may have to wait for a while. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 13:57:00 2008 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:27:00 +1930 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <494A0143.6040102@nicubunu.ro> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> <494A0143.6040102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0812180557h1d8b853dh4135d8991e58474d@mail.gmail.com> I love this video... you should see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=channel 2008/12/19 Nicu Buculei > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> >> I just wanted to point out that I have a lot of raw videos from the last >> Boston FUDcon, and just a small selection of them were used in the video I >> already produced in pitivi: >> >> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html >> >> I did solicit folks to send in their own video clips for a second video, >> but I didn't receive any... :( >> > > I tried but the webcam on my Eee was not up for the task and it is the only > camera I have access to. > > I kind of like how it was done in the video above - your name, your irc >> nick, what you work on, and "I am Fedora." >> > > "I am PC" :D :D :D > > I would like to see the video titles use the Fedora MgOpen Modata font, >> I've been frustrated in the past when non-Fedora/non-Free Interstate was >> used in Fedora videos. >> >> It would be nice to subtitle the video too since we have so many folks >> with different native languages involved in Fedora. >> > > We still have troubles with the tools (PiTiVi) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Cheers, Clint From ujjwol at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 14:58:57 2008 From: ujjwol at fedoraproject.org (Ujjwol Lamichhane) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:43:57 +0545 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ujjwol Lamichhane Message-ID: <775aa32d0812180658r1834224fm795c49265879f491@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I am Ujjwol Lamichhane(?????? ????????)from Kathmandu, Nepal. And a A-Level Student at Malpi Institute. And my goal on fedora is to promote free and open software through it and get into the development of it. About my qualification, i have been using fedora from fedora 1 and to f9 as fedora 10 is having problem(filled a bugzilla). As i having been now working as a fedora ambassador, i have been blogging, advocating and giving presentation on fedora. I think my localization skill may also be relevant.... Regards Ujjwol Lamichhane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ujjwol-privkey.asc-1.asc URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:00:56 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:00:56 -0600 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0812180557h1d8b853dh4135d8991e58474d@mail.gmail.com> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> <494A0143.6040102@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0812180557h1d8b853dh4135d8991e58474d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/18 Mar?a Leandro : > I love this video... you should see it > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=channel Maria, I love this video too and it captures something in a unifying theme, whether for videos or coffee table books that really appeals to me. One of the many things Fedora contributors think about is how Fedora can partner with other organizations to make the world a little better place for us all to live. In thinking about this, I'd like to throw into the ring another idea that could be used in either context to both provide a unifying component to the images and to maybe make the world a little better place to live. For videos each contributor could sign "I am Fedora" in a language of their choice. For still images they could sign "F" or if pictures were arranged in some way with the book open that allowed it a message could be signed one letter at a time across the open pages. I think this would tie in with the "voice" marketing vehicle that is widely used with Fedora, would be visually interesting, and might encourage readers/viewers to think about voice in a way that might encourage them to learn a new skill that might improve the life of someone they know or meet (and improve their life as well). John From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 15:03:50 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:03:50 +0100 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > 1. Concept: We have had 3-4 different suggestions on how this should be > framed and maybe its time to solidify the idea. What do we end up naming it? > Do we want to professionally produce it, or have user submitted videos? > Will we follow a general guideline for such videos or will it be freeform? > This will help people who end up shooting/editing/aggregating video have a > clear definition of what needs to be filmed and how it needs to be edited. User made +1, Professional quality would be better (at least just because my eyes enjoy seeing something smoothly that a low quality video), the only problem is that we need a camera that could be moved around. Another option would be to use 2 or few more places and let someone doing the video there (maybe changing the set). Maybe a script could be useful, but with just some guidelines that could help the video maker to stay in the topic. > 2. Content: What do we want to have the people in the video, doing or > saying. What is the message? We could use the 4Fs and/or the "infinity, freedom, voice" motto. I think those would usefull with the efforts done making those ones a reality, and I'm sure they real represent the Fedora way. Maybe short moments of his/her life and a direct/indirect link with fedora. I think we have to give a value to what is just done and maybe trying to push it, maybe, improving it. > 3. Presentation: What is the Visual Motif? GMail used its logo to link each video. Maria Leandro's video link give another possibility. Personally I think the last idea to connect a body movement (maybe a sort of infinity with the arms could be great, but it's hard to explain without a photo/sketch) with a message is the better one if we want to give a deep/moral impact to the campaign, instead, if it aimed to improve brand/community visibility, try to find something that could let people see the Fedora logo or affine. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From oisinfeeley at imapmail.org Thu Dec 18 15:30:07 2008 From: oisinfeeley at imapmail.org (Oisin Feeley) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:30:07 -0500 Subject: Congratulations to the Serbian Fedora community and the FLP Message-ID: <1229614207.1387.1290754115@webmail.messagingengine.com> An interesting LWN article[1] reports that the FLP[2] is working very successfully with the Serbian Fedora community. The article will be available to non-subscribers after Dec 25th. In the meanwhile a brief summary is that in 2007 the Serbian government initiated the localization of several pieces of Free Software (Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Fedora and Ubuntu). The Fedora work seems to have gone extremely well, with 99% of strings translated on time, in comparison to Ubuntu which was delayed and resulted in a fork. Congratulations to the FLP and especially their Serbian contributors. 1. http://lwn.net/Articles/310740/ 2. http://translate.fedoraproject.org/ -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:40:44 2008 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:40:44 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ujjwol Lamichhane In-Reply-To: <775aa32d0812180658r1834224fm795c49265879f491@mail.gmail.com> References: <775aa32d0812180658r1834224fm795c49265879f491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081218154044.GA22366@gja.in> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Ujjwol Lamichhane sent out 6.8K bytes to say: > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: http://getfiregpg.org By any chance did you mean to sent a public key to the list? -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 15:05:12 2008 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:35:12 +1930 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <49497AFC.2040100@fedoraproject.org> <494A0143.6040102@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0812180557h1d8b853dh4135d8991e58474d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0812180705k32f31a28i1f8c46c52ed8c4df@mail.gmail.com> Talking on IRC with M?irin and Nicu, I remember this video... (spanish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfTn-EkKFU This is a promo of the Discovery Channel for LatinAmerica, and has a more proffesional cut... but the idea is to collect videos of what do the people like of fedora (use, community, events.... anything) 2008/12/19 inode0 > 2008/12/18 Mar?a Leandro : > > I love this video... you should see it > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=channel > > Maria, > > I love this video too and it captures something in a unifying theme, > whether for videos or coffee table books that really appeals to me. > > One of the many things Fedora contributors think about is how Fedora > can partner with other organizations to make the world a little better > place for us all to live. In thinking about this, I'd like to throw > into the ring another idea that could be used in either context to > both provide a unifying component to the images and to maybe make the > world a little better place to live. > > For videos each contributor could sign "I am Fedora" in a language of > their choice. For still images they could sign "F" or if pictures were > arranged in some way with the book open that allowed it a message > could be signed one letter at a time across the open pages. > > I think this would tie in with the "voice" marketing vehicle that is > widely used with Fedora, would be visually interesting, and might > encourage readers/viewers to think about voice in a way that might > encourage them to learn a new skill that might improve the life of > someone they know or meet (and improve their life as well). > > John > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Cheers, Jon From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 17:02:03 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:02:03 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting Today 18/12/2008 Message-ID: <494A820B.7070409@redhat.com> Hello All, Please join us today for a very exciting marketing meeting today. When: 20.00UTC, 3pm EST, 12 Noon PST Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting **NOTE: this is not in the marketing channel What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks plus other relevant topics from this weeks mailing list discussions Thanks and see you there, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 19:06:04 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:06:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] About creating a Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494A9F1C.7040509@redhat.com> This corresponds to a post on the marketing list. Please look there if you seem confused. Jack Doug Berry wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I think Ian, Jack, and Lisa, and all the others, have come up with a great idea. A Fedora coffee table book would be a great visual aide as well as a great keepsake for the Fedora community. Pictures from all over the world would demonstrate the diversity of the Fedora community, like nothing else. > > I am a book packager and author. I have put together several books, both my own and for others, and I think I have a fair understanding of what might entail with putting together a coffee table book. So let me chime in as follows. > > First the downside: > > 1. Coffee table books, or any picture book, are the most expensive books to create and publish, going. The "4-color" offset process means four plates for every image or picture. > 2. Ordinary snapshots, taken at an event or FUDCON, would be totally unsuitable for such a book. Mainly because of quality, but also because of content. Web graphics, as many of you know, look fine at 72 DPI (dots per inch), which is the standard setting in the GIMP for web graphics. But picture book quality graphics, especially large visual images, start at 600 DPI. Many publishers now want 1200 DPI: and up. > 3. Most high quality pictures (above 600 DPI) are staged. Meaning they are models (or ordinary people) being absolutely still. Any movement appears as a blur. > 4. The above means the pictures must be shot with a high quality camera. Cameras that will overcome movement are expensive. > 5. Such books usually use high quality and thus, more expensive paper suitable for photo images (and water-proof), adding to the end price of the book. > 6. Binding for such a book, is usually stitched. Perfect Bound, clumps of folded pages glued together, the most inexpensive binding going, would need a larger amount of pages, usually above 130 before they will hold together. > 7. Taking all of this into account, the cost-driven price of such a book would probably be in the $25.00 dollar range and up, even as a paperback. Assuming there was a need to generate a profit from the book. > 8. Coffee table books are usually larger, 11 x 16, or something. The size will determine the photographs used and will establish a quality goal for them. A 6 x 8 photo may look good at that size, but scale it up to say 12 x 16 and it may be unsuitable. An old rule of thumb is to scan photos instead of scaling them. Scaling is one-dimensional; scanning allows you options. > > The plus side: > > Now, having said all that, I still think it would be doable. The main downside would be getting the high quality photographs we would need. > That would mean we would have to be selective in the photo-images we used. We could possibly use images from a FUDCON, but not all images. Maybe some could be cropped and be suitable, others could be dithered with, others still might pass right from the start. But we would probably need hundreds of photographs to get the few necessary. > > That means that having hundreds of people sending in stacks of photos, is probably not going to work. A photo has to be chosen according to its print quality and not just "cool" content. As much as we would all like to have a copy of that photo showing Paul Fields shoving Bill Gates off a cliff, if it does not print well it would not make the book. > > However, there is a reliable test everyone can do to weed out the unsuitable pictures before they get submitted, meaning that whoever is selecting the photos for a book, would not be as swamped. This is a simple test that many printers use to determine photo quality for printed material. Take the photo, run it through a scanner, one that you can set the resolution and DPI values to at least 600 DPI. And you can play with these values somewhat. High quality scanners often allow you to dither with the photo. Now, don't look at the image on your computer screen, print it out and see what you get. Even a cheap ink jet printer (or better) will give you an idea of what the results will be. > > The actual packaging of the book is nothing. I or someone else could do that for nothing. There have been several books packaged using Scribus, an > up-stream open source package that was not part of F10, but easily added. > > So, having said all that, please understand that I am not claiming to be the "be all and end all" of publishing or book packaging. In fact, I am probably somewhat behind the times and if anybody has a better idea or way, lets hear it. But I know enough to know that creating a quality book product depends on the quality of the material that makes up the book and not just the publishing or printing aspect. > > I have not even mentioned publishers, or printers. Today they are really just middlemen; publishers are quickly becoming book marketers and not book creators. They are still necessary, but are slowly becoming obsolete as the industry reels from innovation. > > So, perhaps we could do this as a start. Maybe we could get a couple hundred photos, from all over the planet and the Fedora community, and pass them around a committee. Everyone chooses the ones they like and we toss the rest. Then we could put the selected ones on-line and people could vote or something. For a 110 page book, with print quality photographs on the base pages and text on the back pages, we would need probably 50 or 60 good photographs. Double that with photos on the back pages. > > So, what do say you? Anyone want to take a shot at this? > > -- w Douglas Berry -- > slasherzee at fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 19:14:47 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: About Fedora coffee table book.... Message-ID: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >Nicu Buculei wrote: >Why do you make the assumption that we don't know to use GIMP? And we are >talking here about imported photos, not about newly created images. The GIMP or any other imaging program is just a means to an end - it is a way of taking lesser quality images and enhancing them. You can bet that every photograph published in a book anywhere was gone over and enhanced at some point, either by the original photographer or some where down the line. >Yes, we don't have the perfect conditions, but knowing the goal is print >we can work a bit more on the photos. Exactly. The point may have gotten lost somewhere, but ultimately, it should be the picture taker who test prints and enhances their own photos before they submit them. >Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras >I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? Maybe, maybe not. Most digital cameras are set to take lower resolution photos, simply so you can fit more pictures onto the storage disc. Taking more pictures is the assumed goal. For example, a digital photo shot at 150 dpi may come in at 100K. If you beefed it up to say 600 or1000 dpi it might top out at 100 megs. Most people set there camera resolutions as low as possible to get more pictures. And digital cameras are still relatively expensive and not everybody in the Fedora World Community may have them. Many dinosaurs like me still use film. >I don't remember seeing something about turning a profit. I think someone said something about donating any proceeds to charity, or something like that. >We have over 600 photos made at the Brno FUDCon and a lot more of them >were left out: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudconbrno/pool/ (and we have >not planned for a book) I'm sure we could probably come up with thousands of photos, worldwide. And if they are all high-res digital quality then that would make to job so much easier. But it is probably best to assume that most will not make the cut for one reason or another. >How I can run trough a scanner my photos, they are already in a digital >format... Are submissions for the book only open to persons who have digital cameras? I would think that would rule out a lot of people from participating, right there. >Scribus *is* part of Fedora, however, not part of the default install. >I for one would be interested in reading a bit about how Scribus can be >used to create such a book with it. Scribus is great, I have used it for so much and it keeps getting better and better. On the Scribus website, www.scribus.net, they list several books that were developed using Scribus. One new one is a Chinese language text book on the morphology of the leaf-beetle. >How about using something like lulu.com as a publisher? For example >http://www.lulu.com/en/products/photo_books/?cid=en_product_portal Lulu is okay, but they are pricey. Print-On-Demand is great for authors. It pays the highest royalties in the business. And the process, where no books are printed unless there is a paid order, is good too. As compared to large print runs for a fixed price. But if the books do not sale you have a garage full of books. But what POD publishers do not do, or for which they charge a fortune, is all the little things that add quality to a book. Like: spell-checking, grammar-checking, fact-checking, cover art (many force you to use gaudy one-size-fits-all cover templates), and layout. Layout is the most important part of the process, and is something that authors should do themselves: authors or their Book Packagers. So, as far as a publisher goes, POD is a viable option, but perhaps something like Cafe Press would be a better choice. Although I have never used them, as I understand and this may have changed, if we laid out and created the embedded PDF files containing the book, burn them onto a CD or DVD, send them to Cafe Press, for a nominal fee ($200.00, I've heard, but it may be more for a coffee table book) they assign an ISBN, create the bar-code and send the book to Lightning Source, their printer fulfiller. Or we could bypass a publisher altogether and publish it ourselves. Fedora Publishing Project, and how you might ask would we accomplish that. Well, Red Hat must already be a digital or even a print publisher, perhaps we could spin-off a print franchise or something. Red Hat must also have some sort of relationship with a quality printer, for labels, brochures, advertising, etc. RED Hat may already have everything we would need. Such as ISBN numbers (block of ten around $300.00), since published software requires ISBN type control numbers, bar-codes, and the like. Packaging a DVD is not much different then packaging a book. We already have the necessary software to layout and create all the elements of the book. Using Scribus, OO, Abiword, and the GIMP, we could create every part of the book ourselves. In fact, I think we already have everything we would need to make the book; it is more like assembling it then it is creating it from scratch. Or we could take Fedora Publishing to Lightning Source. They are a division of Ingrams and they do not charge their publishers a fortune. They make their money printing and selling books. They charge a reasonable set-up fee, and a small per book printing charge. Then they take the order, print the book, and mail it to the customer . Publisher does none of that. As an example of this, Scribus just had published their latest manual in book form. I am assuming they did all the layout and the book is coming out almost as we speak. Is different then out book, a 450 page tome, that costs 26 pounds. So this is just an example to show it can be done. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From choke at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 19:21:01 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:21:01 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081217221616.GB24332@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> <49496D57.5080003@redhat.com> <20081217221616.GB24332@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494AA29D.5000004@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 04:21:27PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Well both. We will brainstorm on IRC and then hopefully to help get >> some artistic perspective at FUDCon. >> >> > Artistic perspective can also be achieved in #fedora-art or on > fedora-art-list ;) > > >> I think planning will go on in phases based on what point we are at, so >> FUDCon might be phase 2, which is beyond initial planning. >> >> > Might be good to plan this out, and take into account other FUDCons. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book > > I'm down for meeting whenever, wherever. Also, I should be there Thursday- most of the day. I'm most-likely going to be traveling with GDK in the van-o-fun. Feel free to email me directly to do some thinking - I'm super busy right now and don't get to check all my lists as often as I would like! -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From choke at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 19:23:47 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:23:47 -0500 Subject: I still want a Fedora coffee table book, and you are going to help me make one. In-Reply-To: <20081217221616.GB24332@gmail.com> References: <20081216044934.GA32678@gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152251pa03e283u482bb1698d39d127@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812152258o53b9519ege5c99a84030cb5d0@mail.gmail.com> <4e67a96f0812160304m42b166d0h5293e4932e6c307@mail.gmail.com> <4947ADF2.9040803@redhat.com> <20081216201700.GA12918@gmail.com> <494925AB.7070208@redhat.com> <49493379.9090506@redhat.com> <20081217183721.GA18458@gmail.com> <49496D57.5080003@redhat.com> <20081217221616.GB24332@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494AA343.2000606@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 04:21:27PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Well both. We will brainstorm on IRC and then hopefully to help get >> some artistic perspective at FUDCon. >> >> > Artistic perspective can also be achieved in #fedora-art or on > fedora-art-list ;) > > >> I think planning will go on in phases based on what point we are at, so >> FUDCon might be phase 2, which is beyond initial planning. >> >> > Might be good to plan this out, and take into account other FUDCons. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book > > Also, I think it definitely needs to be as simple as possible, so we can take other folks into account - easy to reproduce=much better stuff. I think the wiki pretty much nails it. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 20:01:45 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:01:45 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting Today 18/12/2008 In-Reply-To: <494A820B.7070409@redhat.com> References: <494A820B.7070409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <494AAC29.6080808@redhat.com> This is now, please join us.... Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > Please join us today for a very exciting marketing meeting today. > > When: 20.00UTC, 3pm EST, 12 Noon PST > Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting **NOTE: this is not in the > marketing channel > What: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks plus other > relevant topics from this weeks mailing list discussions > > Thanks and see you there, > Jack > From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 20:21:32 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:21:32 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: About Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081218202132.GA5464@gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:14:47AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > The GIMP or any other imaging program is just a means to an end - it is a way of taking lesser quality images and enhancing them. You can bet that every photograph published in a book anywhere was gone over and enhanced at some point, either by the original photographer or some where down the line. > I guess you fail to realize that Nicu and I are both on the art team, and we have Mo helping us out with this. We all know how to use the GIMP pretty fluently. > >Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras >I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? > > Maybe, maybe not. Most digital cameras are set to take lower resolution photos, simply so you can fit more pictures onto the storage disc. Taking more pictures is the assumed goal. For example, a digital photo shot at 150 dpi may come in at 100K. If you beefed it up to say 600 or1000 dpi it might top out at 100 megs. Most people set there camera resolutions as low as possible to get more pictures. > > And digital cameras are still relatively expensive and not everybody in the Fedora World Community may have them. Many dinosaurs like me still use film. > Mo has a DSLR, she'll be at FUDCon Boston. > >I don't remember seeing something about turning a profit. > > I think someone said something about donating any proceeds to charity, or something like that. > I did mention possibly donating to OLPC or something *if* we turned up a profit, which would be totally unnecessary. > Lulu is okay, but they are pricey. Print-On-Demand is great for authors. It pays the highest royalties in the business. And the process, where no books are printed unless there is a paid order, is good too. As compared to large print runs for a fixed price. But if the books do not sale you have a garage full of books. > > But what POD publishers do not do, or for which they charge a fortune, is all the little things that add quality to a book. Like: spell-checking, grammar-checking, fact-checking, cover art (many force you to use gaudy one-size-fits-all cover templates), and layout. Layout is the most important part of the process, and is something that authors should do themselves: authors or their Book Packagers. > The book sources will be posted to fedora-art-list, fedora-marketing-list, and plenty of other lists for people to check over. I will diligently be checking every page's grammer and speeling, and I'm sure others will be too. > So, as far as a publisher goes, POD is a viable option, but perhaps something like Cafe Press would be a better choice. Although I have never used them, as I understand and this may have changed, if we laid out and created the embedded PDF files containing the book, burn them onto a CD or DVD, send them to Cafe Press, for a nominal fee ($200.00, I've heard, but it may be more for a coffee table book) they assign an ISBN, create the bar-code and send the book to Lightning Source, their printer fulfiller. > > Or we could bypass a publisher altogether and publish it ourselves. Fedora Publishing Project, and how you might ask would we accomplish that. Well, Red Hat must already be a digital or even a print publisher, perhaps we could spin-off a print franchise or something. Red Hat must also have some sort of relationship with a quality printer, for labels, brochures, advertising, etc. RED Hat may already have everything we would need. Such as ISBN numbers (block of ten around $300.00), since published software requires ISBN type control numbers, bar-codes, and the like. Packaging a DVD is not much different then packaging a book. > This seems like a very viable option, thanks for brining that up. > We already have the necessary software to layout and create all the elements of the book. Using Scribus, OO, Abiword, and the GIMP, we could create every part of the book ourselves. In fact, I think we already have everything we would need to make the book; it is more like assembling it then it is creating it from scratch. > Yeah, I realize that :) > Or we could take Fedora Publishing to Lightning Source. They are a division of Ingrams and they do not charge their publishers a fortune. They make their money printing and selling books. They charge a reasonable set-up fee, and a small per book printing charge. Then they take the order, print the book, and mail it to the customer . Publisher does none of that. > Ooh, nice. > As an example of this, Scribus just had published their latest manual in book form. I am assuming they did all the layout and the book is coming out almost as we speak. Is different then out book, a 450 page tome, that costs 26 pounds. So this is just an example to show it can be done. > Douglas, are you willing to help us with the publishing process? If so, pipe in on fedora-marketing-list, or start making necessary edits to the page on the wiki[1]. I'm not worried at all about having high-enough quality photos or the inability to edit the pages together (I'm already starting to work on mockups, I'll be sending those out soonish) -- what I am worried about is getting this done in a timely matter with the least cost to us and those who want to buy the book. I'm glad you have some experience in this business... I have a lot of experience with POD for shirts, but not books. Maybe we can talk on IRC sometime, ping me in #fedora-marketing (ianweller). Please, I would like to keep this all on fedora-marketing-list. [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 21:37:59 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:59 -0700 Subject: IRC Log (for real) of Fedora Marketing meeting 2008-12-18 Message-ID: 20:01 < themayor> here we go 20:01 < themayor> Marketing meeting now 20:01 * ianweller is here 20:01 * spevack waves 20:02 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 20:02 < themayor> inode0: welcome 20:02 < fugolini> hi 20:02 < ianweller> [[User:ianweller|Ian Weller]] ^_^ 20:03 < themayor> haha, where did colby go thats what i want to know 20:03 < themayor> mizmo said she might come late if she does, shes in a meeting 20:04 < themayor> hey lcafiero , wcattey 20:04 < wcattey> G'day Jack. 20:04 < herlo> Clint Savage 20:04 < themayor> lets give it another minute and we will get started 20:04 * lcafiero plays the role of Larry Cafiero 20:05 < lcafiero> oops, sorry. 20:05 < themayor> as himself 20:05 * ianweller is still ianweller 20:05 * tatica MariaLeandro 20:05 * herlo doesn't buy that ianweller 20:05 < themayor> okay can i ask a favor of you guys? can someone play secretary and take notes this week, so we can post them up to the wiki and list 20:06 < JonRob> and is anybody logging? 20:06 * herlo is logging 20:06 < JonRob> would def be good to start keeping both on the wiki :) 20:06 * herlo doublechecks 20:07 < themayor> im logging, but i dont want to throw up a log, dont you think its better we have a notes summary? 20:07 < fugolini> +1 20:07 < herlo> yep, I'm logging, I'll put it up 20:07 < herlo> both are good 20:07 < JonRob> i think both are good 20:07 < JonRob> lol althoguh seems quiet for volunteers on the notes summary! 20:07 < herlo> just mail out the log 20:08 < herlo> and link to it from the wiki 20:08 < themayor> okay whatever better than wasting time 20:08 * gregdek lurks. 20:08 < themayor> herlo: im gonna count on you then to take care of it, thanks 20:08 < herlo> np 20:08 * delhage lurks too 20:09 < themayor> alright, so first up, i wanna refer to the email that i sent in response to jonrob's post about moving the team forward 20:09 < themayor> because there are a few action items there i think we need to move on immediately 20:09 < themayor> mainly a new org structure 20:10 < themayor> i wanna make this brief, i dont want to start a whole governance talk now 20:10 * JonRob notes he's just sent a response that might be useful for later conversations 20:10 < herlo> can we get the link to the mail? 20:10 < themayor> but basically, at a minimum i think we need someone who can send out a log each week of the meeting and post it to the wiki and act as a corresponding secretary 20:11 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-December/msg00109.html 20:11 < JonRob> is the thread 20:11 < themayor> because sometimes i get busy and cant post the log or update the task list and things get lost in translation 20:11 < themayor> welcome abadger1999, your guys meeting is delayed 20:11 < herlo> I think I can now do that, since I'll be more available at this time 20:11 < herlo> I'm happy to od the logs anyway 20:11 < herlo> not so good at summaries 20:12 < themayor> whats better 2pm eastern or 3pm eastern for everyone? 20:12 < fugolini> what's in UTC ? 20:12 < fugolini> 20 21? 20:12 < JonRob> fugolini: 19/20 20:12 * lcafiero is not affected by either. Both are fine. 20:12 < JonRob> i think 20:12 * fugolini think it too 20:12 < tatica> venezuela = 15:43 20:13 < mmcgrath> themayor: you should define it as eastern standard time (EST), eastern daylight time (EDT) or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) :) 20:13 < herlo> EST is UTC -5 or UTC -6 20:13 < herlo> iirc 20:13 < herlo> depending on Daylight Saving time 20:13 < themayor> lets say 20 utc 20:14 < themayor> because we just need to not step on the infrastructure meeting's toes 20:14 < ianweller> neither meeting time is good for me, i'm still in school usually. ;) 20:14 * quaid dips in 20:14 < mmcgrath> themayor: 20:00 UTC is when our meeting starts (run 'date -u' to find utc) 20:15 < herlo> +1 on 20:00 UTC 20:15 < themayor> yeah i know 20:15 < themayor> we can move back to #mktg if need be 20:16 < themayor> based on what works best for people 20:16 < herlo> there's also #fedora-meeting-{1..4} iirc 20:16 < themayor> okay lets move discussion to the list because its already 15 past 20:17 < themayor> okay so weve got herlo on notes, thats awesome 20:17 < themayor> next 20:17 < themayor> what we do we think of putting together a marketing-release timeline and working on common tasks from that? 20:18 < fugolini> absolutely 20:18 < herlo> is this for every release? 20:18 < JonRob> see: 20:18 < JonRob> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/BrainDump/Time_Based_Schedule 20:18 < JonRob> for an old draft of this idea 20:18 < themayor> yes 20:18 < JonRob> if we're all still on the same line i think we are 20:18 < themayor> there are certain things we need to do around every release and i think it would be good if we established this as a standard and set up milestones, so we know we are taking care of what we need to do 20:19 < lcafiero> +1 20:19 * bpepple pokes his head in. 20:19 < themayor> its too bad rharrison isnt here 20:19 < themayor> because he started working on it last time 20:20 < themayor> anyone want to step up and take that on? 20:20 < JonRob> i don't think there's much to do 20:20 < themayor> say you have 2-3 weeks to put together a timeline 20:20 < themayor> ? 20:20 < JonRob> just build on what's one the link i just sent 20:20 < JonRob> and solicit feedback from list for further input 20:21 < themayor> JonRob: would you be able to take care of that then? 20:21 < fugolini> It's a reasonable time, maybe putting some check point to see if we are still moving 20:21 < fugolini> *points 20:21 < JonRob> themayor: i wish i could, i've still 7000 words to write in the next few weeks :( 20:21 < herlo> JonRob: I think your timeline could use some help though. The events listed there (LinuxTag/FISL) only happen once a year don't they? 20:21 < JonRob> herlo, yeah, i know it needs work 20:21 < herlo> I'm just not sure if this is the forum to have that discussion 20:22 < JonRob> but it's a good overview of the kind of activities we'd want to include 20:22 < herlo> agreed 20:22 < herlo> It's something the Ambassadors could use to gauge status and focus 20:22 * JonRob looks for msg from paul about this 20:22 < herlo> as well as anyone who is involved in just one part of the marketing structure 20:22 < themayor> what do you guys think about not having events on it? maybe just fudcons? 20:23 < herlo> I think the events are tantamount to promoting Fedora 20:23 < herlo> but that we can make them more generic 20:23 < herlo> common goals, themes, etc each release cycle 20:23 < fugolini> +1^10000000 20:24 < JonRob> i think the events provide us with a valuable chance to gather marketing resources 20:24 < herlo> having a 'stage' to work within can be very helpful 20:24 < themayor> we need a good person, with full grasp of scope to take this on 20:24 < themayor> because i dont think just anyone could necessarily do it successfully 20:25 < themayor> no? 20:25 < herlo> I don't necessarily think it has to be one person... 20:25 < herlo> it could be a few 20:25 < ianweller> fugolini: you do realize that 1 to the ten millionth is just 1, right? ;) 20:25 < themayor> well one to start, or a group yes 20:25 < fugolini> ianweller: I'm ignorant :D 20:25 < JonRob> what about if we follow docs lead and arrange a time for a virtual hackfest on this? 20:25 < fugolini> a group it would be better 20:25 < JonRob> we could have it sorted in an hour or two between a group working at one time 20:26 < herlo> my theory is that no one person knows everything about Fedora and Marketing 20:26 < themayor> JonRob: yeah, thats an excellent idea 20:26 < themayor> what do the others think? 20:27 < fugolini> JonRob: maybe a gobby session, I know all the planned gobby sessions weren't realized, but it could be the first time 20:27 < herlo> werks for me 20:27 < JonRob> fugolini: sounds like it would be a good approach :_ 20:27 < JonRob> :) 20:27 < herlo> fugolini: +1, gobby is great 20:27 < ianweller> gobby would be good 20:28 < lcafiero> +1 20:28 < themayor> alright so do we want to set a time now to meet up and do this? 20:29 < herlo> well, docs is doing theirs during the holidays 20:29 < themayor> do we want to do it then or not? 20:30 < fugolini> I think it would be better, just 20:30 < lcafiero> When is docs doing theirs exactly? 20:30 < herlo> during the holidays 20:30 < fugolini> take a look at docs, in fact ... 20:30 * herlo doesn't have specific dates.. 20:30 < lcafiero> Oh, okay, nothing set, then. 20:30 < lcafiero> thanks, herlo 20:31 < herlo> lcafiero: that's not what I meant toimply, I don't know what their dates are 20:31 < lcafiero> How about making the meeting next week the time and date? 20:31 < herlo> +1 20:32 < fugolini> sounds good for me 20:32 < JonRob> do people realise next thursday is christmas day? 20:32 < themayor> yeah doesnt have to be next thursday necessarily 20:32 * herlo doesn't have anythign scheduled 20:32 < fugolini> mh ... ops ... I haven't a calendar in front of me ... 20:33 < lcafiero> And the next New Year's Eve 20:33 * lcafiero like herlo has nothing on my schedule, but understands others do. 20:33 < themayor> what about next tuesday? does that work? 20:33 < lcafiero> ambassadors meet at 9 p.m. eastern, but other than that, I'm okay. 20:34 < ianweller> tuesday is ok for me, what time? 20:34 < JonRob> i have nothing scheduled, but kinda like to keep it that way for christmas day :p 20:34 < herlo> day after works for me 20:34 < herlo> Dec 26 20:35 < lcafiero> +1 to herlo's suggestion 20:35 * fugolini will be afk for those 2 days and for ny eve 20:35 < themayor> herlo: is the 23rd not good for you? 20:35 < fugolini> ok 20:35 < herlo> I'm fine with that too, but I'll be working 20:35 < herlo> so I'll only be available in the evening 20:35 < herlo> but I'm only one person 20:36 < herlo> so don't build it around me, I'm pretty available 20:36 < fugolini> herlo: I think we have to find the best time, and I'm sure you have to be here, what's your preferred time? 20:36 < herlo> lol, okay, like I said, I'm open. 20:37 < herlo> evenings before Dec 24 20:37 < ianweller> mo! :) 20:37 < themayor> okay so if the majority of people can decide on a time, we can always add stuff to the wiki and have the others who cant make it work from there, right? 20:38 < fugolini> yes 20:38 < themayor> okay so what the word on the date? tuesday? 20:38 < ianweller> what time? 20:38 < themayor> whatevers good for everyone else? 20:39 < herlo> the 23rd is the FAmNA meeting, so with exception of the 9pm EST hour, that's a great day... 20:39 < themayor> afternoon or evening right? 20:39 < herlo> yup 20:39 < themayor> is 7pm eastern good for that? 20:39 < fugolini> UTC? 20:39 < herlo> for me, yes 20:40 < themayor> it should be 0.00 utc, i think, let me check 20:40 < ianweller> worksforme 20:40 < lcafiero> 7 eastern is good, as long as it's done by 9 eastern 20:41 < themayor> yeah 2 hours should be more than enough to make sufficient progress and put it up on the wiki 20:41 < fugolini> themayor: i'll try to be there so 20:41 * fugolini has to leave in 30 minutes or so 20:42 < themayor> yeah me too, we will try to finish in 20 20:42 < themayor> alright lcafiero can we count on you to coordinate the effort for next week? 20:42 < herlo> http://iquaid.org/2008/12/18/docs-virtual-hackfest-over-the-holidays/ <-- reference for docs hackfest 20:43 < lcafiero> Sure. 20:44 < themayor> okay awesome, so just send a message to the list and to everyone personally to remind them, and someone take care of gobby or use the wiki and irc 20:45 < themayor> okay great the next few minutes, i just want to talk about the 3 things that came up this week 20:45 < themayor> the new initiatives 20:45 < themayor> so we have 3 things 20:45 < themayor> fedora book, fedora video, fedora magazine 20:45 < ianweller> yay, my topic 20:45 < themayor> yes, youre topic!! 20:46 < ianweller> you want me to talk about it? 20:46 < themayor> okay so the coffee table book 20:46 < themayor> yes go ahead 20:46 < ianweller> oh ok. 20:46 < ianweller> so we had plenty of great discussion so far on teh coffee table book, and most of it has been helpful 20:47 < ianweller> the most recent comments we got i just replied to, basically with a message saying "you seem to know what you're talking about, please add it to the wiki page" 20:47 < ianweller> (which is at [[Picture book]] on the wiki, btw) 20:47 < ianweller> i'm gonna be working on a mockup for the pages soonish because i need something to do over winter break 20:48 < ianweller> but other than that, lots of great comments on what we're doing, and plenty of volunteer help at fudcon boston :) 20:48 < themayor> ianweller: awesome! 20:48 < ianweller> any other questions/comments? 20:48 < themayor> i think the main thing we need to figure out it cost per page 20:48 < themayor> based on that, thats really it, we have our page limit 20:48 < themayor> and then we figure out the theme 20:49 < ianweller> page size would be good to know, too 20:49 < herlo> I want to bring up that we should work toward a common theme for each of these marketing items 20:49 < ianweller> 6"x9" seems somewhat standard 20:49 < themayor> well, yeah thats based on price 20:49 < ianweller> herlo: you mean the four foundations? 20:49 < herlo> and address how we do that 20:49 < themayor> the bigger the book the more expensive 20:49 < herlo> ianweller: not necessarily 20:49 < ianweller> i think this book would be a great way to finally help unleash the four foundatinos upon the world 20:49 < herlo> ianweller: I mean that the book, video and magazine should have a common look and feel/theme something like that 20:49 < JonRob> i haven't followed this convo, but a brief comment: 20:50 < ianweller> cuz the websites haven't changed, and there's barely any information about them on the wiki. but that's not really related 20:50 < JonRob> let's make sure all the sources are open! 20:50 < ianweller> herlo: oic 20:50 < ianweller> JonRob: most definitely! 20:50 < ianweller> :) 20:50 < ianweller> JonRob: that will be ensured throughout, everything will either be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA (i think the latter) 20:50 < ianweller> no NC licenses 20:50 < JonRob> good :) 20:50 < JonRob> (lol, not that i expected anything else) 20:51 < ianweller> well, right ;) 20:51 < mizmo> you know if you guys go b&w with a few color plates it could be a lot cheaper 20:51 < themayor> yes, we will need to it explicit that any contribution on art work to this book is under a CC-by-SA license or something along those lines 20:51 < ianweller> mizmo: yeah 20:51 < mizmo> b&w photography is very coffee table ish :) 20:51 < ianweller> also it can be made somewhat easier to work with, i think 20:51 < ianweller> you don't have to get colors *just* right, especially in a transfer to cmyk 20:52 < JonRob> another question: is there a genuine audience here? 20:52 < ianweller> group photos or the like could be in color 20:52 < JonRob> i mean, other than FUDCon attendees? 20:52 < themayor> JonRob: theres definitely an audience 20:52 < ianweller> JonRob: this is one of those concepts where i think the main audience is other fedora contributors, or major fedora fans. 20:52 < ianweller> or, heck, any fedora fans 20:53 < ianweller> mizmo: hey, can we ship a sheet of stickers with every book order? ;) 20:53 < themayor> im sure it will be a hit inside of red hat 20:53 < herlo> JonRob: so I think this goes along with a bunch of other initiatives, for instance I once thought it would be cool to provide the Fedora Fan a complete set of all media from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 10 for a small profit 20:53 < mizmo> ianweller, lol prolly 20:53 < herlo> still think it's cool actually, but haven't ever got it off the ground 20:53 < ianweller> oh speaking of stickers, do we want to use the i am fedora sticker as the one object that is required to be in an image 20:53 < ianweller> or what do we want to do 20:53 < themayor> haha, lets not jump to distribution before we get production off and runninfg 20:53 < ianweller> there's been more debate over that than anything else so far i think 20:53 < ianweller> themayor: ;) 20:54 < ianweller> inode0: you had some worries about using the i am fedora sticker, what were those again? 20:54 < themayor> personally i dont think we should need s fedora sticker in the pictures 20:54 < themayor> for example 20:54 < themayor> i would like to include a picture of me with my license plate which is "TRTHPNS" 20:54 < JonRob> themayor: ha i love it! 20:54 < ianweller> ooh, nice license plate. took me a while though :) 20:54 < themayor> because thats why fedora is my home 20:55 < ianweller> the concept is to have somehting that ties together the whole book 20:55 < themayor> for some reason certain girls think that is very dirty 20:55 < ianweller> but the more i think about that, the more i don't think we need a specific object. 20:55 < themayor> ianweller: the people are what ties the book together 20:55 < themayor> the faces of fedora 20:55 < themayor> and you can opt to have anything else you wish to show in the picture as well 20:55 < JonRob> anyone think this might be a cool thing to pull upstreams/other free software projects into as well 20:56 < herlo> ianweller: or ties together the entire media components we're discussing 20:56 < JonRob> heh sorry that comment totally defeats the object of marketing fedora 20:56 < herlo> because it's bigger than just the book IMO 20:56 < themayor> JonRob: yes, but out of the scope of this specific book for now. but yes it would be cool to have a "the face of linux book" 20:56 < ianweller> herlo: well, yeah. 20:57 < herlo> and it's not just the people, it's what they do for Fedora. There should be a reason for putting these people in the book. It is, afterall, a meritocracy 20:57 < ianweller> yes 20:57 < JonRob> oo and are people including brief stories? espesh some of the olpc stuff would be great 20:57 < ianweller> yes, we'll be having brief stories 20:57 < JonRob> cool.... 20:57 * fugolini will be afk for few minutes, I have to repair a pc to a neighbor 20:57 < herlo> right, that's where we should be going with marketing in general. Getting these things out in front of people 20:57 * JonRob apologises for not following this conversation properly 20:58 < ianweller> JonRob: that's ok :) good to ask questions 20:58 < themayor> yes, i was thinking to have a layout like this, let me know what you think: 20:58 < themayor> left side a picture of someone 20:58 < themayor> right side, a brief paragraph that they contribute 20:58 < themayor> or a quote maybe 20:58 < ianweller> (small detail: have page numbers inside fedora bubbles) 20:58 < themayor> yes!!!! 20:59 < ianweller> themayor: i'm thinking have the picture closer to the outside, then closer to the binding, have a quote in larger print, and then a description of the person in smaller print under that 20:59 < JonRob> is this possibly a convo for the mailing list? 21:00 < ianweller> JonRob: i was just about to say that. 21:00 < themayor> yes, it is 21:00 < ianweller> any other imoprtant questions before we move on to the other fedora * stuff 21:00 < themayor> we need to figure out the next step, whether it be cost, etc 21:00 < herlo> themayor: is this one page per contributor? 21:00 < themayor> so lets talk on the list 21:00 < herlo> or two pages? 21:00 < ianweller> herlo: one page per contributor, plus group photos on other pages (in color, i think) 21:00 < herlo> not that it matters, just curious and it can wait to be discussed off line 21:00 < herlo> ahh, indeed 21:01 < themayor> but lets set a deadline of one month to figure out how we go about going to step 2 21:01 < themayor> sound good? 21:01 < themayor> i think cost will be the major factor which determines, layout and that will determine content 21:01 < ianweller> step 2 is at fudcon. let's set a deadline as next week :) 21:02 < ianweller> right now we need to worry most about how we're going to get pictures, quotes, and stories 21:02 < ianweller> layout can come after fudcon 21:02 < herlo> I honestly think that all of this can go for the magazine too 21:02 < herlo> maybe the layout is different, but otherwise, the costs are going to need to be researched 21:02 < themayor> yeah, but the magazine is a different layout 21:03 < herlo> as i stated :) 21:03 < themayor> i meant format 21:03 < themayor> sorry 21:03 < themayor> im dead tired 21:03 < herlo> nw 21:03 < themayor> lol 21:03 < themayor> anyway 21:03 < JonRob> heh, i think the magazine has morphed 21:03 < themayor> okay do we want to keep going or do people need to scatter 21:03 < herlo> I'm here 21:03 < themayor> JonRob: spevack has some good thoughts on the magazine 21:03 < themayor> okay 21:03 < JonRob> ok...look forward to discussions on that 21:04 < themayor> so lets set a deadline for next week, althought, i dont know how far we will get, alot of the world is on vacation starting tomorrow 21:04 < themayor> and we can do what we need to do at fudcon regardless 21:04 < themayor> but anyway, okay, next week 21:04 < themayor> magazine 21:04 < themayor> spevack: do you want to talk about it a little? 21:05 < spevack> me? 21:05 < spevack> i do? 21:05 < spevack> i have thoughts? 21:05 < themayor> yes what we spoke about 21:06 < themayor> i liked them, and we can work from there 21:06 < spevack> yeah... i'm trying to remember what I said. I think that one of my suggestions was that when I hear "magazine" 21:06 < spevack> as opposed to "news" 21:06 < spevack> i think of longer-form articles, more personal than informative, maybe a slower release cycle, and (jack i think you suggested this one) actually printing something and distributing it at fudcon 21:06 < ianweller> introduce me a little to this magazine concept please :) 21:07 < ianweller> oh ok 21:07 < JonRob> so we're moving away from the idea of a rhm style blog? 21:07 < spevack> ianweller: you're too young -- back before the intarwebs, they used to write articles on paper and print them in glossy form that came out once a week. 21:07 < ianweller> spevack: :P 21:07 < spevack> JonRob: i dunno. i just have ideas. i don't mandate anything :) 21:07 < ianweller> spevack: i'm not *that* young. 21:07 < JonRob> spevack: lol, just wondered if there was a concensus developing 21:08 < ianweller> spevack: it can defeinitely be typeset and made into pdf btw, you print it out for events and stuff though 21:08 < ianweller> although i'm sure you know that already 21:08 < themayor> i think maybe having something online that we can transpose to print once every release would be the super bomb 21:08 < spevack> themayor: right 21:08 < JonRob> themayor: yeah that's awesome 21:08 < JonRob> we could even produce more regularly online 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: i'd see it as an online medium first, but that occasionally making something printed would be kinda pimp 21:08 < JonRob> and then tidy up and produce the best stuff for print 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: exactly 21:08 < JonRob> yeah that's v. cool 21:08 < spevack> JonRob: think of the "fedora centerfold" possibilities. 21:09 < JonRob> also, would be great to have something that sumarises "the last 6 months in fedora" 21:09 < herlo> once a quarter would be ideal IMO 21:09 < JonRob> spevack: already got my bikini ready 21:09 * herlo pukes a little in his mouth 21:09 < JonRob> heh 21:09 < herlo> :-P 21:09 < themayor> JonRob: thats a great visual for me to have before i am about to go to sleep 21:09 < themayor> ;) 21:09 < spevack> themayor: did i have any other good ideas that i've forgotten? 21:09 < spevack> :) 21:10 * gregdek will be sure to wax. 21:10 < JonRob> ha gregdek just crossed a line?! 21:10 < themayor> im sure many but ive since forgotten them too 21:10 < JonRob> my q, how do we move this forward? 21:10 < JonRob> two major things: 21:10 < JonRob> a)infrastructure 21:10 < JonRob> b)contributors 21:11 < JonRob> both kinda failed in all my attempts to push this forward until now 21:11 < JonRob> kinda==completely 21:11 < themayor> what do you guys thing about using django? 21:11 * herlo loves it 21:11 < herlo> but everything I've seen in Fedora is TG 21:12 < JonRob> themayor: keep in mind that we'd have to work closely with the current infra standards 21:12 < JonRob> i.e. security, maintainability 21:12 < JonRob> deployability in fedora repos 21:12 < JonRob> not sure if we'd want to write our own solution? 21:12 < themayor> yes we would need to coordinate with docs as well maybe, since they are experts in formatting the stuff that will aid us in printing it afterwards 21:13 < JonRob> also, gregdek had some talk a while ago about collaborating with rhm? 21:13 < themayor> yes, gregdek have you any thoughts to add? 21:14 < gregdek> RHM feels like a dead man walking to me. 21:14 < themayor> hes busy waxing 21:14 < JonRob> gregdek: oh no, that's sad? 21:14 < gregdek> Just so few resources right now for it. 21:15 < themayor> gregdek: ah okay you answered my questions 21:15 < themayor> so maybe this is at a good place in time, where a community effort can take over something like that 21:15 < gregdek> Yep. 21:15 < JonRob> yeah, seems like this kind of thing is pretty heft effort 21:15 < JonRob> themayor: yeah would be v. cool 21:15 * quaid personally would open devfu.redhatmagazine.com to anyone who wants to help :) 21:15 < themayor> na what does rhm run on now wordpress? 21:15 < quaid> yes 21:16 < quaid> wordpress.com for Dev Fu, actually 21:16 < JonRob> we got close to having a wp deployment on fedora systems 21:16 < quaid> so adding people from the world is easy 21:17 < themayor> maybe thats the extent of what we need really with sojme CSS loving 21:17 < JonRob> themayor, we already have a theme that fits in with fedora 21:17 < JonRob> we got quite a way along with this 21:17 < JonRob> but have never managed to finish it :( 21:17 < themayor> okay so lets finish this time 21:18 < themayor> we have a large pool of people to draw contributors from, i dont think we need to worry 21:18 * JonRob hates to note way too many of his projects die a slow death! 21:18 < themayor> if we build it, they will come 21:18 < JonRob> themayor: i hope you're right 21:18 < themayor> we just need to stay on top of these things and with a little hard work and a lot of good luck we will do well, i dont have a doubt 21:18 < JonRob> in the test one, even when i explicitly solicited for help we got very little 21:18 < themayor> we can do these things easily, it just requires persistence 21:19 < JonRob> http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/ 21:19 < JonRob> for reference 21:20 < JonRob> that was an attempt at figuring out writing/publishing workflow 21:20 < themayor> nice 21:20 < themayor> ive been there before like 2-3 times 21:20 < JonRob> yeah, some of the content got a lot of views 21:20 < JonRob> well, the interview and fwn 21:20 < JonRob> both are extremely popular within the community and outside 21:20 < themayor> i think the next step is to decide infrastructure 21:21 < themayor> and guys dont kill me if im not trying to think of big picture things, theres a reason 21:22 < themayor> i just think if we pick small steps and are persistent and make sure they get done we will make progress and fuel more progress 21:22 < JonRob> themayor: i think it's a pretty good way to move 21:22 < themayor> so lets see what mmcgrath has to say about this and take it from there, i can wrangle contributors 21:22 < JonRob> lol, mmcgrath might be sick of hearing about it 21:22 < JonRob> i've been bugging him and a few infra people about it for many months 21:23 < themayor> haha, yeah, well, thats what you get when you run the servers 21:23 * ianweller has to run 21:23 < JonRob> have we lost people? 21:23 * JonRob could do with leaving soon 21:23 < themayor> alright, so lets table the rest of the disucssion, so we have 3 things for next week 21:23 < themayor> 1. the meeting/gobby session 21:24 < themayor> 2. figuring out about the magazine 21:24 * quaid notes 'to table' has opposite meanings across the Atlantic 21:24 < themayor> 3. try to figure out next steps for the magazine 21:25 < themayor> sound good to everyone? 21:25 < JonRob> lol magazine twice? 21:26 < themayor> i mean book 21:26 < themayor> sorry 21:26 < JonRob> heh in that case sounds good 21:27 < JonRob> was nice to speak with everyone :) 21:27 < baig> ! 21:27 < herlo> k, I have all that 21:28 < themayor> alright thats a wrap 21:28 < themayor> thanks guys 21:28 < herlo> g'day 21:28 < themayor> awesome From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 21:40:19 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:40:19 +0100 Subject: (IRC LOG) Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-18 Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > Fedora:Marketing Meeting > > ? Marketing Plan > Virtual Hackfest (organized by Larry Cafiero) > Dec 23rd 7pm EST (approx) > > Coffee Table Book (Ian Weller) > Discussed style and format > Addressed some steps for moving forward > Report back within a week on costs and such > FUDCon Hackfest > > Fedora Magazine (Jonathan Roberts) > Discussed linking with RHM > Shared the current url: http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/ > Regular publication times > Could be online / pdf for special events (FUDCon, other conferences, etc) > Addressed some steps for moving forward > > IRC log will be following shortly. > > Cheers, > > Clint Thank for the summary, I'm sorry not to be able to follow the last part of the meeting (I was afk). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 04:36:44 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Picture book] Quick update In-Reply-To: <20081219031122.GC17552@gmail.com> Message-ID: <852451.22828.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Ian Weller wrote: > 1) If you're interested in helping with this project, > put your name in > the team members table. > > 2) Any information/ideas you have about the book, place on > that page. > > 3) We need to extrapolate the timeline on there. I'll > be putting in what > we need to get done in a week according to today's > meeting. > Hey Ian, Your some kind of dynamo, fella. And I would love to work on this project. That is the one concern I had at first, is finding others who would be dedicated enough to follow through and do what is necessary to create a quality product. I have no doubt now. Love what you did with the wiki page. Clear, concise, and to the point. I added my name, but I couldn't think of anything I would have added that you had not already included. I know a dozen or so publishers, dido for printers, but I mainly work on fiction books. Most publishers I know only deal with commercial quality books that have a shot at making them money. I'm not sure our book would generate much interest from this group. But I can get us some quotes for services, and prices for print runs, for comparison if nothing else. Then there is POD. But I don't think we need a POD Publisher, when we can go right to Lightning Source ourselves. I already have an account with them, but I haven't used it in a couple of years. Anyway, I logged-in and asked my guide for current prices and details. She is going to send a bunch of stuff in the mail. But I also asked for a breakdown via email, which I should have by this weekend. I'll contact you when I know something. I wasn't available for the Mkg meeting today. I volunteer on Wed and Thurs, but I am going to be around most of the day tomorrow. I'll keep Xchat open to #fedora-mkg and if you are around, maybe we can bounce ideas off of each other. Seeya, Doug -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 05:19:26 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Picture book] Quick update In-Reply-To: <852451.22828.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <20081219031122.GC17552@gmail.com> <852451.22828.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081219051926.GA21571@gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:36:44PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > Hey Ian, > Your some kind of dynamo, fella. And I would > love to work on this project. That is the one concern > I had at first, is finding others who would be dedicated > enough to follow through and do what is necessary to > create a quality product. I have no doubt now. > > Love what you did with the wiki page. Clear, concise, > and to the point. I added my name, but I couldn't > think of anything I would have added that you had not > already included. > :) Thanks to everyone else, too. > I know a dozen or so publishers, dido for printers, > but I mainly work on fiction books. Most publishers > I know only deal with commercial quality books that > have a shot at making them money. I'm not sure our book > would generate much interest from this group. But I > can get us some quotes for services, and prices for > print runs, for comparison if nothing else. > > Then there is POD. But I don't think we need a POD > Publisher, when we can go right to Lightning Source > ourselves. I already have an account with them, but > I haven't used it in a couple of years. > > Anyway, I logged-in and asked my guide for current > prices and details. She is going to send a bunch of > stuff in the mail. But I also asked for a breakdown > via email, which I should have by this weekend. I'll > contact you when I know something. > Sweet, thanks! I'll talk with some people to see what kind of budget we can get -- odds are, POD is the way to go for our budgeting purposes, but I haven't a clue. > I wasn't available for the Mkg meeting today. I volunteer > on Wed and Thurs, but I am going to be around most of > the day tomorrow. I'll keep Xchat open to #fedora-mkg > and if you are around, maybe we can bounce ideas off > of each other. Seeya, Doug > Alright, thanks for all your help. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 19 07:46:25 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:25 +0200 Subject: About Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494B5151.1000308@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Why do you make the assumption that we don't know to use GIMP? And we are >talking here about imported photos, not about newly created images. > > The GIMP or any other imaging program is just a means to an end - it is a way of taking lesser quality images and enhancing them. You can bet that every photograph published in a book anywhere was gone over and enhanced at some point, either by the original photographer or some where down the line. Yeah, and for any Linux-based photographer that tool is GIMP. I think is a good think to insist to produce the book exclusively with tools available in Fedora. >> Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras >I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? > > Maybe, maybe not. Most digital cameras are set to take lower resolution photos, simply so you can fit more pictures onto the storage disc. Taking more pictures is the assumed goal. For example, a digital photo shot at 150 dpi may come in at 100K. If you beefed it up to say 600 or1000 dpi it might top out at 100 megs. Most people set there camera resolutions as low as possible to get more pictures. I see you are coming from film... in the digital world we use Megapixels not DPI :p We have to define the target print size and from this the needed minimum resolution, which would probably be something around 4 or 5 Megapixels. And only absolute newbies will set their camera to something less than 4MP, storage space is cheap, the photos made by my camera at 12MP usually have under 5MB in JPEG format and around 15MB as RAW. You may not see this on the photos posted on flickr, since those are optimised for web use. > And digital cameras are still relatively expensive and not everybody in the Fedora World Community may have them. Many dinosaurs like me still use film. Not everybody, but you will be surprised how many of us have such toys. I believe I saw in Brno over 10 people with such toys and at least 5 of them would probably love to get involved in such a project. > I'm sure we could probably come up with thousands of photos, worldwide. And if they are all high-res digital quality then that would make to job so much easier. But it is probably best to assume that most will not make the cut for one reason or another. Sure most won't make the cut, what we have so far was not made with printing in mind. >> How I can run trough a scanner my photos, they are already in a digital >format... > > Are submissions for the book only open to persons who have digital cameras? > I would think that would rule out a lot of people from participating, right there. I think we don't want to leave anybody out, but from my experience the huge majority work digitally. > Scribus is great, I have used it for so much and it keeps getting better and better. On the Scribus website, www.scribus.net, they list several books that were developed using Scribus. One new one is a Chinese language text book on the morphology of the leaf-beetle. We have used it here mostly for posters, stickers and CD covers. Putting a book together should be a useful experience. > So, as far as a publisher goes, POD is a viable option, but perhaps something like Cafe Press would be a better choice. Although I have never used them, as I understand and this may have changed, if we laid out and created the embedded PDF files containing the book, burn them onto a CD or DVD, send them to Cafe Press, for a nominal fee ($200.00, I've heard, but it may be more for a coffee table book) they assign an ISBN, create the bar-code and send the book to Lightning Source, their printer fulfiller. I think we have some in-house competence for those tasks. > Or we could bypass a publisher altogether and publish it ourselves. Fedora Publishing Project, and how you might ask would we accomplish that. Well, Red Hat must already be a digital or even a print publisher, perhaps we could spin-off a print franchise or something. Red Hat must also have some sort of relationship with a quality printer, for labels, brochures, advertising, etc. RED Hat may already have everything we would need. Such as ISBN numbers (block of ten around $300.00), since published software requires ISBN type control numbers, bar-codes, and the like. Packaging a DVD is not much different then packaging a book. Selecting the publisher is an area where I decline competence and leave the decision for the others. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 19 08:06:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:06:54 +0200 Subject: [Picture book] Quick update In-Reply-To: <852451.22828.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <852451.22828.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494B561E.7060301@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > Love what you did with the wiki page. Clear, concise, > and to the point. I added my name, but I couldn't > think of anything I would have added that you had not > already included. Doug, I think you could add a list of potential publishers, with some pros- and contras- for each, it looks like you are the best informed in this area and such a list may be of help in order to reach a decision. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From choke at redhat.com Fri Dec 19 17:05:40 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:05:40 -0500 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <494BD464.8010606@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > A number of times already we have discussed the development of a video > series highlighting the members of our community. The idea was > suggested multiple times by multiple different people, each one with > their own twist. Now that the release is done, and FUDCon is coming > up, I think we should discuss this in earnest. It could work out > really well if we solidified plans in the next couple of weeks because > then we can take advantage the 120 plus attendees at FUDCon for > taping. I already understand that these types of activities will be > taking place regardless, so might as well jump on the bandwagon. > > I think we need to focus on 3 areas: > > 1. Concept: We have had 3-4 different suggestions on how this should > be framed and maybe its time to solidify the idea. What do we end up > naming it? Do we want to professionally produce it, or have user > submitted videos? Will we follow a general guideline for such videos > or will it be freeform? This will help people who end up > shooting/editing/aggregating video have a clear definition of what > needs to be filmed and how it needs to be edited. > > 2. Content: What do we want to have the people in the video, doing or > saying. What is the message? > > 3. Presentation: What is the Visual Motif? > > For now, I have added it to the task list and have set up a wiki page > here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Face_of_Fedora and > seeded it with some content. Please feel free to add to it. > > Hopefully we can discuss this at the meeting tomorrow as well. > > What do you guys think? > > Thanks > > P.S. Colby, I would really like your thoughts on this too, from a > video professionals standpoint. > > I really feel like... the less "professional" it looks, possibly the better. That's not to say that it can't be polished, but I feel like a handheld camera and simple jump cuts back and forth between the people is the way to go. It fits in much more with the brand that Fedora has of a community. I usually find that when you try to do pieces about lots of people and you get too fancy with the camera work/ editing, it comes across as strained. We just want real people, in real settings, being themselves and have that as a document for others- like M?ir?n said, the fun factor of "oh that what that person looks like!" is extremely powerful. I'd be happy to give tips to those who may be shooting the videos around the world if anyone has questions about cameras/ lighting/ framing, etc. Unfortunately, as Nico has pointed out, there is some trouble with the tools, which is why simple is better. PiTiVi may be able to do it - I haven't played with it since early F9. Kino should be able to handle this, you just need to make sure you have a .dv file type (dv stream) which is what you get via firewire and its import feature (which uses dvgrab, if i'm not mistaken). I believe it works with ogg equally well. If it comes down to the point where the tools aren't working for whoever ends up editing this, I'm more than willing to take a shot at it and make it a project for work. (Though, from and by the community feels more powerful and, while I am part of this community, all of you do so much more than me) Either way, I'm always here for the Fedora folk. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 19:20:49 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:20:49 -0600 Subject: The Face of Fedora Video Campaign In-Reply-To: <494BD464.8010606@redhat.com> References: <494976C1.4090900@redhat.com> <494BD464.8010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081219192049.GA11617@gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:05:40PM -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > I really feel like... the less "professional" it looks, possibly the > better. That's not to say that it can't be polished, but I feel like a > handheld camera and simple jump cuts back and forth between the people > is the way to go. It fits in much more with the brand that Fedora has of > a community. I usually find that when you try to do pieces about lots of > people and you get too fancy with the camera work/ editing, it comes > across as strained. > Agreed -- this seems to be the way other Fedora videos have been produced, also, so not much reason to switch. > We just want real people, in real settings, being themselves and have > that as a document for others- like M?ir?n said, the fun factor of "oh > that what that person looks like!" is extremely powerful. > Or the "oh that's how they prounounce their name!" effect. ;) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So far I've heard nothing - must be the time of year, everybody is gone or leaving. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From choke at redhat.com Fri Dec 19 20:37:06 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:37:06 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ujjwol Lamichhane In-Reply-To: <775aa32d0812180658r1834224fm795c49265879f491@mail.gmail.com> References: <775aa32d0812180658r1834224fm795c49265879f491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494C05F2.50801@redhat.com> Ujjwol Lamichhane wrote: > Hi All, > I am Ujjwol Lamichhane(?????? ????????) > from Kathmandu, Nepal. And a > A-Level Student at Malpi Institute. And my goal on fedora is to > promote free and open software through it and get into the development > of it. About my qualification, i have been using fedora from fedora 1 > and to f9 as fedora 10 is having problem(filled a bugzilla). As i > having been now working as a fedora ambassador, i have been blogging, > advocating and giving presentation on fedora. I think my localization > skill may also be relevant.... > > Regards > Ujjwol Lamichhane Since no one else has yet... welcome to the list. I'm sure we all look forward to what you can bring! -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From choke at redhat.com Fri Dec 19 20:38:32 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:38:32 -0500 Subject: [Picture book] Quick update In-Reply-To: <70769.83879.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <70769.83879.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C0648.7030600@redhat.com> Doug Berry wrote: > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Ian Weller wrote: > > >> From: Ian Weller >> Subject: Re: [Picture book] Quick update >> To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" >> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:23 AM >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:06:54AM +0200, Nicu Buculei >> wrote: >> >>> Doug, I think you could add a list of potential >>> >> publishers, with some >> >>> pros- and contras- for each, it looks like you are the >>> >> best informed in >> >>> this area and such a list may be of help in order to >>> >> reach a decision. >> >> Definitely, this would help a lot. >> >> > > Okay, I am working something up > I am trying to get bids (estimates) from a few > people - ball-park figure kind of things - so > we can compare them and see where we stand. > So far I've heard nothing - must be the time > of year, everybody is gone or leaving. > > -- w Douglas Berry -- > slasherzee at fedoraproject.org > > > > > > Definitely keep Lulu in mind for this - there are some really great people working over there. -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 20:54:22 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:54:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20081219201237.GA13349@gmail.com> Message-ID: <109838.76809.qm@web63503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for that, I'll contact them right away. I need to change some advise I gave about the high resolution and dpi quality we would need for the pictures we might use. Apparently we do not need to enhance them passed say 300 dpi and not the higher figures I have been quoting. And 300 dpi is nothing, you could probably enhance most web graphics to that and they would be okay. 300 dpi may well be obtainable with the typical digital camera. So that means most of the photos we get will be usable. Of course, in a way, that may present additional problems: we may get swamped. I am asking pubs and printers for estimates on a 130 page 4-color 8.5 by 11.0 Perfect Bound plain paper book. We can change any of that, but 8.5 by 11 is a very good size because it is one of the standards. They usually print everything that size or smaller on US Letter or A4, and then cut it to size. 8.5 by 11 would only require edge trimming which may get us a better price. So, tell you what. It Xmas week next week. everyone will be out this weekend, in the malls. Wander into Borders or Barnes and look at some of the photo and coffee table books they have. Maybe we would want to go bigger, or square? What do you think? -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Ian Weller wrote: > From: Ian Weller > Subject: Re: Picture book.... > To: "Doug Berry" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:12 PM > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:09:20PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > Sorry about sending that email to the list, last > > night. I wrote it to you back added the list address > > somehow. > > > > I am calling and leaving messages with people, but > > not hearing back. I want to get 6 or 8 bids on > > printing costs, just for comparison. > > > > Do you know who in Red Hat, or who in Fedora might > > know - if Red Hat has a regular printer they use? > > I am assuming they must, and if so they might give > > us a sweetheart deal, as a favor to a valued customer. > > > You might ask M?ir?n Duffy or Paul Frields. I don't > work at Red Hat, but > they do. > > -- > Ian Weller > http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED > 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that > doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 01:43:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:43:34 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <109838.76809.qm@web63503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <20081219201237.GA13349@gmail.com> <109838.76809.qm@web63503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:54:22PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > I am asking pubs and printers for estimates > on a 130 page 4-color 8.5 by 11.0 Perfect > Bound plain paper book. We can change any > of that, but 8.5 by 11 is a very good size > because it is one of the standards. They > usually print everything that size or smaller > on US Letter or A4, and then cut it to size. > 8.5 by 11 would only require edge trimming > which may get us a better price. > > So, tell you what. It Xmas week next week. > everyone will be out this weekend, in the > malls. Wander into Borders or Barnes and > look at some of the photo and coffee table > books they have. Maybe we would want to go > bigger, or square? What do you think? > Was talking with Jef about his visions for the project. He thinks we need a book that is less than 1 pound and can fit easily in whatever bag an OLPC XO could be in. Not sure how many pages this would be (especially since page weights matter), but The Love Book (which Jef referenced originally) is 96 pages as of his last count. Making it sized for the OLPC would work by using the apparently-standard size of 6"x9". Not sure if Lulu can do this. Jef posted a braindump to the bottom of the wiki, I'd advise reading it. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From slasherzee at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 02:24:24 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> Message-ID: <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Ian Weller wrote: > From: Ian Weller > Subject: Re: Picture book.... > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 5:43 PM > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:54:22PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > I am asking pubs and printers for estimates > > on a 130 page 4-color 8.5 by 11.0 Perfect > > Bound plain paper book. We can change any > > of that, but 8.5 by 11 is a very good size > > because it is one of the standards. They > > usually print everything that size or smaller > > on US Letter or A4, and then cut it to size. > > 8.5 by 11 would only require edge trimming > > which may get us a better price. > > > > So, tell you what. It Xmas week next week. > > everyone will be out this weekend, in the > > malls. Wander into Borders or Barnes and > > look at some of the photo and coffee table > > books they have. Maybe we would want to go > > bigger, or square? What do you think? > > > Was talking with Jef about his visions for the project. He > thinks we > need a book that is less than 1 pound and can fit easily in > whatever bag > an OLPC XO could be in. > > Not sure how many pages this would be (especially since > page weights > matter), but The Love Book (which Jef referenced > originally) is 96 pages > as of his last count. > > Making it sized for the OLPC would work by using the > apparently-standard > size of 6"x9". Not sure if Lulu can do this. > > Jef posted a braindump to the bottom of the wiki, I'd > advise reading it. Hey, Yeah that's fine. More input the better. 6 x 9 is kind of a standard size anyway, but photo books are usually larger, but we are not locked into anything. With 6 x 9 though, the pictures would not bleed right up to the edge of the paper. There's usually a half inch of white space margin around the image. That would make the size of the whole-page images something like 5 x 8. I'm still waiting to hear from Lightning Source, I think we could get our best price from them. Ideally, I would like something that leaves us with a $10.00 sales price. Everybody should be able to afford that. Lulu and iUniverse are also in the loop, and there are tonnes of publishers, so if we can do better we can go with that. -- Doug Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 14:01:05 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:01:05 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:24:24PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > Yeah that's fine. More input the better. 6 x 9 is kind > of a standard size anyway, but photo books are usually > larger, but we are not locked into anything. > > With 6 x 9 though, the pictures would not bleed right > up to the edge of the paper. There's usually a half inch > of white space margin around the image. That would make > the size of the whole-page images something like 5 x 8. > > I'm still waiting to hear from Lightning Source, I think > we could get our best price from them. Ideally, I would > like something that leaves us with a $10.00 sales price. > Everybody should be able to afford that. > > Lulu and iUniverse are also in the loop, and there are > tonnes of publishers, so if we can do better we can go > with that. > I was still thinking we were going to put in stories of people. Are we going to do this on top of the image, or are we going to do it to the side (like I did in this mockup[1])? [1]: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/picture-book/mockup-spevack/mockup-spevack.png -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 15:04:04 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:04:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 How To Message-ID: Hi all: Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until customization are convered on easy way. If you consider useful you can download it: http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf Official Announce: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ Suggestions are welcome. Regards! -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 20:05:52 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:05:52 -0900 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/20 Ian Weller : > I was still thinking we were going to put in stories of people. Are we > going to do this on top of the image, or are we going to do it to the > side (like I did in this mockup[1])? > > [1]: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/picture-book/mockup-spevack/mockup-spevack.png Damn it I wish amazon had a peek inside for LOVE, but its such an old book now they don't have it setup for that. The LOVE layout is more like a photoscrap book. The shots are layout to look like candid photos on a largely black page, with a short story note about the the location, the subject, and a short quote or story about the situation. The book pages are essential 8.5x8.5 inch square. Sure my first thought was a coffee table book. But then I realized I dont have a coffee table! Then I realized, not that many people who come into my house are going to 'get it' if they saw it. They'd flip through it of course, but is it going to be as impactful as trying to have these things a linux oriented events to show people. -jef From slasherzee at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 21:40:36 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture Book Message-ID: <532035.43425.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Ian Weller Wrote: > I was still thinking we were going to put in stories of > people. Are we > going to do this on top of the image, or are we going to do > it to the > side (like I did in this mock up[1])? > > [1]: > http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/picture-book/mockup-spevack/mockup-spevack.png This is great, Ian. We are definitely NOT locked into anything. In fact, the more original the better. We have all sorts of options concerning layout. So lets take a typical book: lay it on a table; open the book by lifting up the cover and half the pages until they are vertical; now, the page you can see, on that part of the book, that is still laying on the table is the BASE PAGE; the page on the part of the book you are holding up is the BACK PAGE. Most people put the more important content on the BASE PAGE. For example, if you go to the library and look at one of those large over-sized art books containing high quality reproductions of some long-dead artists works; usually all of the artwork is on the BASE PAGE. Any text or comments would be on the BACK PAGE. This is an unofficial industry standard, but by no means absolute. It is primarily based on the fact that for English readers (left to right) all of whom are assumed to be right-handed, the most comfortable way to hold a book is balanced in the palm of your right hand. When doing this, the BASE PAGE is the easiest page to read; you have to turn and reposition the book to read the back page. So, lets take the example Ian provided: mock up-spevack.png. Laid out for the computer screen, where monitors show things left to right with the widest dimension to the sides, it's fine. But if we printed it, as is, on a book page, widest dimension top to bottom it would be sideways. People would have to turn the book to read the text and view the picture. We can easily overcome this by rotating the picture and text. Now we have picture on top, text on the bottom, or vice versa. Or we can center the picture a partial ways down the page, with some text on top and some text on the bottom. So, for large rectangular whole-page images we should probably place them on the base page. But we are not locked into just that. We can use half page images: half image, half text. Or we can use use web layout, smaller images where the text wraps around the image. But a important standard, where you have an image with related text, is to have the image on the BASE PAGE and the text on the adjoining BACK PAGE. When you have the book spread open, you can look at the image, then turn your head and read the text. Look and read, look and read. This sort of thing can be done with half-page also. The point is, however, that if we have stories or text that relates to a certain image, we should keep them together if at all possible. Along these lines, I a working up some example images of book page layout, which I will post to the wiki asap. -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 21:49:47 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:49:47 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081220214947.GB22700@gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:05:52AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Damn it I wish amazon had a peek inside for LOVE, but its such an old > book now they don't have it setup for that. The LOVE layout is more > like a photoscrap book. The shots are layout to look like candid > photos on a largely black page, with a short story note about the the > location, the subject, and a short quote or story about the situation. > The book pages are essential 8.5x8.5 inch square. > Pictures as an example? :) Keep in mind my mockup was done in very minimal time -- we can pretty much do anything with the design, I think. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 22:50:39 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:50:39 -0900 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20081220214947.GB22700@gmail.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> <20081220214947.GB22700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910812201450k209da18fx942a374d3cdb4d09@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/20 Ian Weller : > Pictures as an example? :) Keep in mind my mockup was done in very > minimal time -- we can pretty much do anything with the design, I think. I'll try to post a couple of snaps of the book. I am not suggesting that you do it exactly how the LOVE layout does it. I just want you to understand how its layout works. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 22 08:41:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:41:41 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> <604aa7910812201205o3e780de2u5ff4a2b2cb9cd769@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494F52C5.6070701@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Sure my first thought was a coffee table book. But then I realized I > dont have a coffee table! Then I realized, not that many people who > come into my house are going to 'get it' if they saw it. They'd flip > through it of course, but is it going to be as impactful as trying to > have these things a linux oriented events to show people. Well, I have to witness that I heard the "coffee table book" term only because it was the subject of a few Seinfeld episodes... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 22 08:43:35 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:43:35 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> References: <20081220014334.GA22591@gmail.com> <629575.69571.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081220140105.GA9436@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494F5337.6050607@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > I was still thinking we were going to put in stories of people. Are we > going to do this on top of the image, or are we going to do it to the > side (like I did in this mockup[1])? I would like to NOT have to pages with the same layout: one on top, another on bottom, another on side, another on the other side, maybe another over the photo... each with its own height or width. > [1]: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/picture-book/mockup-spevack/mockup-spevack.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 22 09:21:27 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:21:27 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <109838.76809.qm@web63503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <109838.76809.qm@web63503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494F5C17.7010500@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > Apparently we do not need to enhance them > passed say 300 dpi and not the higher figures > I have been quoting. And 300 dpi is nothing, > you could probably enhance most web graphics > to that and they would be okay. Not quite web graphics, the web graphics are still focused on 1024x768 displays, which is under 1 Megapixel. But 1600x1200 (2MP) is not that far. > 300 dpi may well be obtainable with the > typical digital camera. So that means most > of the photos we get will be usable. Of course, > in a way, that may present additional problems: > we may get swamped. This is why I asked originally about how we plan to make a selection. > So, tell you what. It Xmas week next week. > everyone will be out this weekend, in the > malls. Wander into Borders or Barnes and > look at some of the photo and coffee table > books they have. Maybe we would want to go > bigger, or square? What do you think? I think a square format may be interesting: we can equally fit images in both portrait and landscape orientation. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From slasherzee at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:56:21 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:56:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture Book Message-ID: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey guys, It must be the Holidays, I have contacted a dozen or so publishers, but I am totally not hearing from anyone. Usually these people treat anyone interested like a ham in the Amazon; with them as the piranha. Ian Weller wrote: we can pretty much do anything with the design, I would like to NOT have to pages with the same layout: one on top, another on bottom, another on side, another on the other side, maybe another over the photo... each with its own height or width. Exactly, we can basically do anything. We can bring web graphics to book-form. We don't have to use a lot of color; or we can do all color. Color text, pictures, widgets, borders and shaded areas, superimposed text or thought bubbles on top of the pictures. And we don't have make it a bound book. We could do a magazine, or bound magazine sized book. Or think corporate report type book; some of these are artworks, and of course, executive types are not going to want to look at Xerox copies. The point is anything you can do on a rectangular computer screen, you can do on a rectangular book page. Or square, sans the LOVE Book. A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be photographers taking photographs, and you get your picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always the quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness. Captions under photos: When we use a photo we should note the photographer's name and try to identify the people in the photo if possible. Captions can be small text and could be something like: A photo by Mairin Duffy, shows Ian Weller, at a recent FUDCON, explaining the Anaconda Installer to a crowd of enthralled passersby. The more names we get into the book the more personal it will become for the reader. Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or place for people to submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop (can we use fpaste for that?) and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open Submission for two weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise will have to handle the logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the Picture Book wiki ( or any others ), can each choose our favorites, then meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to hash it out. Remember, anything I suggest here or anywhere is optional. This should totally be a team effort with input from everybody -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 23:27:34 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:27:34 -0800 Subject: Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest Message-ID: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Folks -- As outlined in last week's Marketing meeting, the marketing folks are holding a Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest in #fedora-meeting at 7 p.m. Eastern U.S. on Tuesday, 12/23 -- that's 0:00 UTC on Wednesday 12/24. Hope you all can make it. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 23 07:56:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:56:52 +0200 Subject: Picture Book In-Reply-To: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > It must be the Holidays, I have contacted a dozen or so publishers, > but I am totally not hearing from anyone. Usually these people treat anyone interested like a ham in the Amazon; with them as the piranha. Yeah, everything is very slow this time of the year. > Ian Weller wrote: That was me... > we can pretty much do anything with the design, > I would like to NOT have to pages with the same layout: one on top, another on bottom, another on side, another on the other side, maybe another over the photo... each with its own height or width. > > Exactly, we can basically do anything. We can bring web graphics to book-form. We don't have to use a lot of color; or we can do all color. Color text, pictures, widgets, borders and shaded areas, superimposed text or thought bubbles on top of the pictures. And we don't have make it a bound book. We could do a magazine, or bound magazine sized book. Or think corporate report type book; some of these are artworks, and of course, executive types are not going to want to look at Xerox copies. The point is anything you can do on a rectangular computer screen, you can do on a rectangular book page. Or square, sans the LOVE Book. > > A couple of other considerations: > Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be photographers taking photographs, and you get your picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always the quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness. I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal. > Captions under photos: When we use a photo we should note the photographer's name and try to identify the people in the photo if possible. Captions can be small text and could be something like: A photo by Mairin Duffy, shows Ian Weller, at a recent FUDCON, explaining the Anaconda Installer to a crowd of enthralled passersby. The more names we get into the book the more personal it will become for the reader. And have both stories and captions? > Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or place for people to submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop (can we use fpaste for that?) Can't we use the wiki for this? > and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open Submission for two weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise will have to handle the logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the Picture Book wiki ( or any others ), can each choose our favorites, then meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to hash it out. Since we may get swamped with a lot of photos, I would be tempted to not sent it to *all* the lists. However, I would like some more time for submission, so you have a chance to prepare your photo session. Even more if it will include some props (stickers, buttons). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 23 12:46:56 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:46:56 +0100 Subject: Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/23 Larry Cafiero : > Hi Folks -- > > As outlined in last week's Marketing meeting, the marketing folks are > holding a Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest in #fedora-meeting at 7 p.m. > Eastern U.S. on Tuesday, 12/23 -- that's 0:00 UTC on Wednesday 12/24. > > Hope you all can make it. > > Larry Cafiero > I can't be able to attend just because here I'm in UTC +1, this means I would have to stay up since 02/03am UTC+1. I'm sorry if I gave my availability during the past meeting, but I didn't consider that my time zone != UTC. Hoping to read the IRC log and, once again, apologizing to not be able to be there. Regards Francesco Ugolini From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue Dec 23 12:57:50 2008 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:57:50 +0100 Subject: Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest In-Reply-To: References: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230037070.10866.0.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Same here. Steven On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:46 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/12/23 Larry Cafiero : > > Hi Folks -- > > > > As outlined in last week's Marketing meeting, the marketing folks are > > holding a Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest in #fedora-meeting at 7 p.m. > > Eastern U.S. on Tuesday, 12/23 -- that's 0:00 UTC on Wednesday 12/24. > > > > Hope you all can make it. > > > > Larry Cafiero > > > > I can't be able to attend just because here I'm in UTC +1, this means > I would have to stay up since 02/03am UTC+1. > > I'm sorry if I gave my availability during the past meeting, but I > didn't consider that my time zone != UTC. > > Hoping to read the IRC log and, once again, apologizing to not be able > to be there. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 13:02:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:02:45 -0500 Subject: Picture Book In-Reply-To: <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> References: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081223130245.GA5040@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:56:52AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Doug Berry wrote: >> A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do >> not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy Right >> Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go >> to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be >> photographers taking photographs, and you get your picture taken, you >> do not have a case. And there is always the quick aural release form, >> as long as you have a witness. > > I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal. If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And there is always the quick aural release form, >>> as long as you have a witness. >> I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal. > > If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a > copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a > photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There > are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice. OK, since we got an authoritative voice saying we need release forms, here is something minimal, taken from http://www.nyip.com/ezine/techtips/model-release.html ===================================================================== MODEL RELEASE In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to [_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful purposes. Print Name: _________________________ Signature: _________________________ Date: _________________________ ===================================================================== If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF. Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms and media". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 13:40:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:40:46 -0500 Subject: Picture Book In-Reply-To: <4950E72F.4010808@nicubunu.ro> References: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> <20081223130245.GA5040@localhost.localdomain> <4950E72F.4010808@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081223134046.GE5040@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:27:11PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:56:52AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Doug Berry wrote: >>>> A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer) >>>> do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy >>>> Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: >>>> if you go to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed >>>> there will be photographers taking photographs, and you get your >>>> picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always the >>>> quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness. >>> I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal. >> >> If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a >> copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a >> photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There >> are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice. > > OK, since we got an authoritative voice saying we need release forms, > here is something minimal, taken from > http://www.nyip.com/ezine/techtips/model-release.html > > > ===================================================================== > MODEL RELEASE > > In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to > [_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in > all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful > purposes. > > Print Name: _________________________ > > Signature: _________________________ > > Date: _________________________ > ===================================================================== > > If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people > think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF. > > Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms and > media". In case of a model who's a minor, there are release forms out there that can be signed by a parent or guardian. I'm pretty sure we have a few Fedora contributors who have not yet reached the age of majority. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:27:11PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > MODEL RELEASE > > > > In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to > > [_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in > > all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful > > purposes. > > > > Print Name: _________________________ > > > > Signature: _________________________ > > > > Date: _________________________ > > ===================================================================== > > > > If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people > > think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF. > > > > Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms and > > media". > > In case of a model who's a minor, there are release forms out there > that can be signed by a parent or guardian. I'm pretty sure we have a > few Fedora contributors who have not yet reached the age of majority. > Hi! At the TV station here there's just an extra blank for a parent's signature. http://mediaserver.salnet.org/forms_and_docs/Appearance_Release.pdf -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 21:09:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:09:15 -0500 Subject: Schedule hackfest Message-ID: <20081223210915.GA4736@localhost.localdomain> Hello Artwork, Docs, L10n, Marketing, and Websites teams! First, I hope you all have a happy holiday season, and enjoy some time with friends, family, and loved ones. We've had a really big year in Fedora and I am so incredibly proud to have worked with all of you each day. We've pushed out two incredibly great releases of Fedora this year, Fedora 9 and 10, each stronger than the one before. As we are now deeply into the Fedora 11 development cycle, I've been thinking we really all want to know the various team interdependencies before we get to the Alpha phase of the release. If one team has a particular deadline, and that requires input from some other team to complete, we want to know that. In the best possible world, each team will be producing what its partner needs in plenty of time for that partner team to work effectively, and so on down the line. We've had release day planning meetings over the last couple of releases which have helped, I think, quite a bit to ensure people have what they need from other groups. We have an opportunity to make this process work even more smoothly, and driven more by each team, if we can figure out the very broad tasks that each team has to complete for a release, and map them out on the release schedule. Some of the teams receiving this message have done preliminary (or maybe even more) work on the schedule already, which is fantastic. I think FUDCon gives us a chance to bring together people from most of your teams to flesh that work out where it's helpful. I don't believe we need to "finish" the schedule, and that might be a hazy goal anyway. We'll probably end up finding places where we can refine it after this release to do even better for Fedora 12. But each iteration brings us something that we can use to help releases go more smoothly. Many of us are volunteers, and we all still want to know, first and foremost, that our work is important, and valued in Fedora. The work we do is far more important than simply hitting a date on a calendar. But we also all want to know that we are helping our fellow community members, and that each of us is doing our best to help Fedora move forward as a project. I've asked John Poelstra to help me put together a hackfest at FUDCon Boston 2009, bringing together people from each of your teams to talk through these interdependencies and record them. The result, I believe, will make each succeeding release easier, more efficient, and more enjoyable. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This sort of thing may require some negotiation with them if we need them to host the interface for the 'fight'. I have no idea if this is possible, I'm just throwing it out there as something I'm willing to work towards making happen if there is some consensus that its a good idea to do from a brand building perspective. Failing that, I would LOVE to see a Fedora branded catalog offering in Magnatunes or Jamendo similar to the Red Hat Summit Compilation that exists in Magnatunes currently. Open up rhythmbox, search the Magnatunes catelog for Red Hat and take a listen. But again I have no idea how to make that sort of thing happen as part of a Fedora branded thing. if there are some Red Hat marketting people lurking who were part of getting the Summit Compilation together, your input as to the feasibility of this idea is perhaps invaluably value. -jef From sophistechate at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 22:39:25 2008 From: sophistechate at gmail.com (Lisa Brewster) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:39:25 -0800 Subject: Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080812221527l6545f39aif51bb680fadc5a3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e67a96f0812231439p1ff6cb64i7b4d6134586da791@mail.gmail.com> How do virtual hackfests work? It will be almost impossible for me to be around a computer for the meeting due to Christmas / travel preparations, but if there's a compelling agenda then I can try to adjust my schedule. But for the most part, I'll be out of pocket until after New Year's. I'm finally able to catch up a bit on all the activity going on about the photo book...great ideas and momentum, guys! 2008/12/22 Larry Cafiero > Hi Folks -- > > As outlined in last week's Marketing meeting, the marketing folks are > holding a Marketing Plan Virtual Hackfest in #fedora-meeting at 7 p.m. > Eastern U.S. on Tuesday, 12/23 -- that's 0:00 UTC on Wednesday 12/24. > > Hope you all can make it. > > Larry Cafiero > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sophistechate at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 00:00:24 2008 From: sophistechate at gmail.com (Lisa Brewster) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:00:24 -0800 Subject: Picture Book In-Reply-To: <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> References: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4e67a96f0812231600y1bd0b1b2u2e15b4de3cb1379a@mail.gmail.com> > > Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or place >> for people to submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop >> (can we use fpaste for that?) >> > > Can't we use the wiki for this? > Since we are expecting a large number of replies, a dedicated submission form just for this project will be way more streamlined for both submitters and editors. And as a bonus, we can also roll in validation to help ensure submissions include all the necessary information. There is some software already available, but I haven't found anything F/OSS (but I'm asking around). Even a google docs form would help a ton (but user would be responsible for hosting his / her submission and submitting a URL). > > and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open Submission >> for two weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise >> will have to handle the logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the >> Picture Book wiki ( or any others ), can each choose our favorites, then >> meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to hash it out. >> > > Since we may get swamped with a lot of photos, I would be tempted to not > sent it to *all* the lists. However, I would like some more time for > submission, so you have a chance to prepare your photo session. Even more if > it will include some props (stickers, buttons). > > Agreed regarding timing. We should focus on quality of responses, not quantity. Is there any major event next year where we could "launch" the published book (and therefore count back the schedule from then)? Preferrably something that a lot of people in the book would be attending, and that gives us the opportunity for some fun launch contests. Maybe something like where the person who gets the most autographs from other people in the book wins a prize, but people in the book can make others earn their signature by solving riddles / hacking challenges / donating to $cause / etc. Another thing I wanted to throw in here while I've got some time to think about it...for this book to have any impact outside of the Ambassadors included in it, we should start thinking about how to use the book to generate buzz OUTSIDE of the Fedora community. Otherwise, from a marketing aspect, this book will just be preaching to the choir. =] As someone new to the marketing team, I'm not sure who Fedora is most interested in targeting...linux users who use other distros, non F/OSS users, or developers to contribute to the project. The book can engage all three, but we'll definitely need different strategies to reach each type of user. (Note: This is the kind of conversations I'm most interested in having with more experienced Ambassadors if I can make it to FUDCon.) -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 24 07:12:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:12:19 +0200 Subject: Picture Book In-Reply-To: <4e67a96f0812231600y1bd0b1b2u2e15b4de3cb1379a@mail.gmail.com> References: <71758.75533.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <495099C4.40308@nicubunu.ro> <4e67a96f0812231600y1bd0b1b2u2e15b4de3cb1379a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4951E0D3.2070503@nicubunu.ro> Lisa Brewster wrote: > > Since we are expecting a large number of replies, a dedicated submission > form just for this project will be way more streamlined for both > submitters and editors. And as a bonus, we can also roll in validation > to help ensure submissions include all the necessary information. There And hook it with our account system to ensure submitter identity and CLA? > is some software already available, but I haven't found anything F/OSS > (but I'm asking around). Even a google docs form would help a ton (but > user would be responsible for hosting his / her submission and > submitting a URL). I don't think a Google Docs form is better than a wiki page > Agreed regarding timing. We should focus on quality of responses, not > quantity. Is there any major event next year where we could "launch" > the published book (and therefore count back the schedule from then)? > Preferrably something that a lot of people in the book would be > attending, and that gives us the opportunity for some fun launch > contests. Maybe something like where the person who gets the most > autographs from other people in the book wins a prize, but people in the > book can make others earn their signature by solving riddles / hacking > challenges / donating to $cause / etc. This sounds like a FUDCon... there should be a FUDCon in the US this summer and maybe we will have one in Europe again. > Another thing I wanted to throw in here while I've got some time to > think about it...for this book to have any impact outside of the > Ambassadors included in it, we should start thinking about how to use > the book to generate buzz OUTSIDE of the Fedora community. Otherwise, > from a marketing aspect, this book will just be preaching to the choir. > =] As someone new to the marketing team, I'm not sure who Fedora is > most interested in targeting...linux users who use other distros, non > F/OSS users, or developers to contribute to the project. The book can > engage all three, but we'll definitely need different strategies to > reach each type of user. (Note: This is the kind of conversations I'm > most interested in having with more experienced Ambassadors if I can > make it to FUDCon.) Generally Fedora targets potential contributors. Not developers exclusively, but people who would join the project and contribute in some way (code, packaging, documentation, artwork, infrastructure). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 05:31:30 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:31:30 -0700 Subject: SCaLE 7x Booth Preparations Message-ID: Marketers and Ambassadors, I've taken on the responsibility (along with Larry Cafiero) of manning and supporting the fedora booth at SCALE7x this year. For those of you who have not been or heard of SCaLE, it's the Southern California Linux Exposition and it's held at the Westin near the LAX airport every year. Last year's booth[1] was awesome. It was my first real induction helping at events sponsored by Fedora. SCaLE is Friday, Saturday and Sunday, February 20-22, 2009, and while that seems a long while off, two months go by quickly. If you can commit to taking the time, we'd love to have you help out at the booth. I believe the admission price is 50% off (normal price is $60) for those who help at the booth, and possibly for every Fedora contributor (more info to come on this later). This year looks to be an even greater year for Fedora, with a big movement of Ambassadors in North America, SCaLE promises to be a big success for us again. The booth this year is again looking for volunteers and we need to fill the three days from 9am to 5pm, so if you are interested in helping, let us know by signing up at the SCALE7x wiki page[2]. In addition, I'd like to see some new banners to put into the Fedora EventBox[3] and some posters for the four f's (this is indeed our new mantra) as well. I know this art is already created, we just need to get it in place. Thus, I suggest we update the EventBox(en) out there with these materials ASAP. I've seen discussion of this in IRC and mailing lists. If you know anything about this, please respond here with that information as well. I look forward to a very successful year of Fedora Events, starting with SCaLE 7x. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SCALE/SCALE6X 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE7X_Event 3 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox/NA/West From jaa at redhat.com Fri Dec 26 08:51:09 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 03:51:09 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays Message-ID: <49549AFD.8080702@redhat.com> Hey All, I just wanted to wish everyone a very happy holiday season. I've been quiet the last few days since I've been on a vacation and self-imposed computer ban (I'm cheating now) which continues until early January. I hope to catch up on everything then, and continue to work with everyone to plow full steam ahead on all the great stuff we've been planning and doing.... Good Tidings and a Happy New Year, Jack From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 20:39:13 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:39:13 -0700 Subject: Fedora Media for North America Message-ID: As posted on my blog[0] today, I'd like to make the following announcement and provide information to help North American Ambassadors. The Fedora Live CDs arrived this past week, right in time for Christmas. They look great. (see http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media/) If you are interested in obtaining some pressed media to distribute at an event or Local User Group (LUG), please make a request on the new FAmNA Resource Request tracker[1]. (A special thanks to Jon Stanley for setting this up.) Make sure to include the following information (at minimum): * Name and Address * The number of LiveCDs you'd like - Currently, we only have 32-bit LiveCDs. The order has been placed for 32-bit and 64-bit install media, delivery is expected around mid-January. When this media arrives, I will announce the availability. * A short explanation of your request and how it might promote Fedora * Phone Number (optional) * How you would like the shipped (Choose Ground unless you can justify faster shipping) * Your region (shown as component) - Do Not assign the task to anyone, it is automatically assigned to the correct person based upon region. In addition, you will likely get a 'TICKET_VIEW privileges are required to perform this operation' error. We do this because we are asking for mailing addresses and do not wish to share them with anyone else. Check your email, if you received a confirmation of the ticket, it has been filed and we'll address it as quickly as possible. If you are interested in who is getting your request, you may wish to head on over to the North America regional list[2]. If you are an Event Owner for Q4 2009, please do not send requests. Events are handled by the FedoraEvents[3] page. We are aware of the events and will coordinate with you individually. In addition, at the upcoming FUDCon[4], we'll be building an AmbassadorKit[5]. The AmbassadorKit is designed to be a small package delivered to any Fedora contributor who wishes to spread Fedora. The AmbassadorKit will include the following (at minimum): * Between 10 and 20 bits of Media (LiveCDs, DVDs) * A display box for holding media * One or Two Fedora t-shirts * A few sheets of Fedora Stickers * Fedora Buttons Other items can be included in the AmbassadorKit, such as: * Fedora Temporary Tattoos (while supplies last) * Fedora LiveUSBs (in the future, or if some sponsor would like to donate them hint hint) * Anything else you can think of that would be useful for promoting Fedora. Once the AmbassadorKits are designed and can easily be built and delivered, we will add them to the FAmNA Resource Request tracker so they can also be requested. I look forward to delivering massive amounts of media over the next few months to those who need it. Cheers, Clint 0 - http://sexysexypenguins.com 1 - https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Regions 3 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 4 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF11 5 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorKit From jonstanley at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 21:50:25 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:50:25 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > In addition, you will likely get a 'TICKET_VIEW privileges are > required to perform this operation' error. We do this because we are > asking for mailing addresses and do not wish to share them with anyone > else. Check your email, if you received a confirmation of the ticket, > it has been filed and we'll address it as quickly as possible. I'm happy to report that this is no longer the case with the successful implementation of http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateTicketsPlugin in this trac instance :) From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Dec 30 15:53:36 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:53:36 +0100 Subject: Interview with HSIB Message-ID: <495A4400.9080402@kanarip.com> Hey there, I was interviewed by HowSoftwareIsBuilt.com a few weeks ago; the interview's transcript is online now; http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/ Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 00:27:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:27:20 -0500 Subject: Interview with HSIB In-Reply-To: <495A4400.9080402@kanarip.com> References: <495A4400.9080402@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <20081231002720.GA13594@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:53:36PM +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Hey there, > > I was interviewed by HowSoftwareIsBuilt.com a few weeks ago; the > interview's transcript is online now; > > http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/ This was a very successful interview, I believe. One small point that I wanted to make for all ambassadors was the importance of finding the positive points when answering a question. In particular, the interviewer asked about user experience and whether Fedora was more focused on upstream code. Certainly we're not driven to patch upstream code extensively to promote a specific user experience *over* the upstream. But when answering a question like this, it's important to remember that many Fedora contributors are active contributors to GNOME, KDE, and other upstreams like NetworkManager, PackageKit, X.org, and many more projects that are directly responsible for the Linux user experience. In fact, the work done upstream in these cases is much more directly responsible for Linux usability than any one distribution. That having been said, great job Jeroen! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fundamentos, pr?tica & certifica??o*", by Adilson Bonanovisk. Shell script classes continues. There is also a stroll through SELinux mysteries, headshots in Urban Terror game and an unfailing walkthrough to build your own Fedora up. And there's a lot more, 66 pages where variety won't be a problem. Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link below: http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf P.S.: Scribus source in the beginning of January. -- Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior http://www.lonelyspooky.com ------------------------------------------------------------- "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfernandezg at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 15:27:28 2008 From: vfernandezg at gmail.com (Victor Fernandez) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:27:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released In-Reply-To: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23edaffd0812310727t1ea2053do257c535091f2f9a@mail.gmail.com> Real good my friends ! This guys Rocks ;-) Regards. 2008/12/31 Henrique Junior > To end 2008 with a cherry on top, the Fedora Project is glad to announce > the release of the 4th issue of Fedora Brazil Magazine. This issue brings > a editorial written by Augusto Campos, who draws a retrospective review of > Fedora's 5 years and he presents a picture of how it changed the Linux > Distributions ecosystem after Fedora's first release announcement. > Furthermore, the magazine displays a special approach to the brand new > Fedora 10, presenting it in a clearly and simply way all new features and > changes of this new release. Enjoy yourself and take part of Fedora Brazil > Magazine's promotion and compete for a copy of the book "*Java ? > Fundamentos, pr?tica & certifica??o*", by Adilson Bonanovisk. > > Shell script classes continues. There is also a stroll through SELinux > mysteries, headshots in Urban Terror game and an unfailing walkthrough to > build your own Fedora up. And there's a lot more, 66 pages where variety > won't be a problem. > > Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link > below: > > http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf > > P.S.: Scribus source in the beginning of January. > > > -- > Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior > http://www.lonelyspooky.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- > "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?!" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Victor M. Fernandez http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Segundo o site MacNN, a patente abrange posicionamento de ?cones e cursores, al?m do efeito de amplia??o obtido quando o mouse ? passado sobre um ?cone. (...) Isso pode revelar-se uma m? not?cia para softwares de terceiros inspirados na inven??o, como os programas ObjectDock, RocketDock e Avant Windows Navigator. """ For those in here who don't understand portuguese, it means that Apple patented the Dock. Moreover, the patent covers ? positioning of icons and cursors, as well as the zoom effect when the mouse moves over an icon ? Is the legal team aware of this ? What's gonna happen about those dock-like apps in the Fedora repositories, given the Fedora policy on patented software ? Of course, this mailing-list might not be the best place to talk about it. Is there another communication medium for legal stuff ? 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Frields) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:53:30 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released In-Reply-To: <1230737822.3012.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> <1230737822.3012.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081231185330.GB19043@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:37:02PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > For those in here who don't understand portuguese, it means that Apple > patented the Dock. Moreover, the patent covers ? positioning of icons > and cursors, as well as the zoom effect when the mouse moves over an > icon ? > > Is the legal team aware of this ? What's gonna happen about those > dock-like apps in the Fedora repositories, given the Fedora policy on > patented software ? > > Of course, this mailing-list might not be the best place to talk about > it. Is there another communication medium for legal stuff ? 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