From chris at tylers.info Tue Jul 1 02:56:15 2008 From: chris at tylers.info (Chris Tyler) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:56:15 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <20080628051726.206126198DC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080628051726.206126198DC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1214880975.30491.42.camel@localhost6.localdomain6> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > I think there are a lot of people chomping at the bit to get something > done. A framework to work inside of would help a lot. But beyond > just being a rep... we need some guidance on how to tell students and > faculty how to take on Fedora relevant work as academic projects. > > >From my personal point of view, I already know what Fedora relevant > work I want to encourage students to work on. I don't need a list of > ideas, nor do I need a list of mentors. I'm pretty sure I can find > individual existing contributors who would take on a student if I > knock on the right doors inside our project. > > But what I need to know is some advice on how to approach both > students and faculty in a way that they continue to be open to the > subtly corrosive effects of my continued manipulation. What are the > selling points that I need to stress to the students? What are the > selling points I need to stress to the faculty who are going to end up > giving students some sort of academic credit and possibly a grade for > the work as part of their academic career? > > -jef Jeff, I think the role that you mention here -- being a matchmaker between a student, a potential need (project), and community resources -- is even more essential than that of a traditional 'mentor'. As for selling points for student-projects-within-opensource, there are many; here are two: - Open source projects give students an opportunity to work "at scale" -- on projects which have a larger codebase, are more established, have a larger user base, and which will have more real-world impact than most student projects. - Open source projects are "real world". The code has the warts and twists and ugly bruises of real-world code that's been through a few development iterations, which is exactly the kind of code that students will encounter in industry (whether "industry" is running particle colliders, modeling the stock market, or working on embedded systems). -- Chris Tyler From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 15:55:33 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:55:33 -0800 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <4866F21B.2080005@redhat.com> References: <4866F21B.2080005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807010855t6e712426wce9a162b5bbc4827@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > So as a point of discussion, some time ago (maybe 7 or 8 months) I proposed > in a meeting that we create a professional produced news show surrounding > Fedora. If there is renewed interest then I propose we discuss this at the > next marketing meeting and maybe we can bring in some Red Hat A/V folks into > the mix as well. > > What do you think? I think you will have a very difficult time producing such a program with available unencumbered software. So you would most likely not be able to do this directly inside the exist project infrastructure. -jef From wdc at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 2 00:24:08 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:24:08 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080806282106k7263eec5u58c8c0b1f706da6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806282103mcd79451me420949543e243db@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080806282106k7263eec5u58c8c0b1f706da6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <264B0BFA-0C60-4264-BC3A-B3D81339CC85@mit.edu> My role at MIT is to try and make things easier for all Linux users whatever their skill level and whatever their preferred distribution. In the past MIT had Project Athena which acted as a focal point and framework to get students involved in writing software and getting it out into the world. It seems to me that MIT has, if you will, "gone meta" on institutionally nurturing open source development. It's kind of assumed that MIT students will write software if necessary as part of some bigger world-changing activity. Living in the trenches as I do, however, I am concerned that not enough attention is going into identifying talented and interested students, and giving them an entree into the process of getting their ideas cooked up tested out and put into the world. Yes there are exciting research projects where a community is formed and creative stuff is done, but when the project is over, everybody goes home and the lessons learned are published, not passed on. Recognizing that I cannot get funding for a curriculum activity, and I need to assure important bureaucrats that I am not endorsing a product, or even putting MIT institutionally behind only one of many possible worthy Linux endeavors, I think the Fedora Community is a worthy framework. What would I like to see from your program: My goal is to help students interested in contributing to open source to find out if Fedora is right for them, and if so to make it easy for them to get involved, and to enlarge the MIT Linux talent pool. Similarly to the position articulated by Jeff Spaleta, I need some advice in doing the outreach. What kinds of outreach have been done at other schools? What are the pieces to get this sort of thing started? Most importantly, how can I show that it would be a valuable thing to try with low risk to the bureaucrats? Would I really get emails from students interested in participating in Linux support and development if I did nothing more than poster the campus? -Bill ---- William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services & Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Hey All, > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to > join, but I > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and > what you > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than > the > current ambassadors setup. > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > > Thanks, > Jack From dezone24 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 01:52:00 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:52:00 -0500 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807010855t6e712426wce9a162b5bbc4827@mail.gmail.com> References: <4866F21B.2080005@redhat.com> <604aa7910807010855t6e712426wce9a162b5bbc4827@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/7/1 Jeff Spaleta : > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > So as a point of discussion, some time ago (maybe 7 or 8 months) I > proposed > > in a meeting that we create a professional produced news show surrounding > > Fedora. If there is renewed interest then I propose we discuss this at > the > > next marketing meeting and maybe we can bring in some Red Hat A/V folks > into > > the mix as well. > > > > What do you think? > > I think you will have a very difficult time producing such a program > with available unencumbered software. So you would most likely not be > able to do this directly inside the exist project infrastructure. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 I think Wordpress could be a good choice. What about Drupal? It could be inside of existing project and is easy to implement. -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:21:02 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:21:02 -0400 Subject: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:39 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > > > I find it interesting that you chose iTunes, proprietary software, as a > > deployment medium. -- ian > > And iTunes, to my knowledge, supports only MP3, a patent-encumbered > format, for podcasts. Interesting indeed. In fairness, he has Ogg Vorbis available. And as much as we might loathe MP3 for its encumbrances, if the point is to reach out to people, we're not going to accomplish that by only publishing Ogg Vorbis. Now if we could harness the loathing to get Apple to support Ogg natively on the iPod.... (And yes, I realize this has been tried before, ultimately with no result. A guy can dream, right?) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 17:46:24 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:46:24 -0800 Subject: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D In-Reply-To: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> References: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910807021046x28ffed5w44acd80e1e969e40@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Paul W. Frields : > In fairness, he has Ogg Vorbis available. And as much as we might > loathe MP3 for its encumbrances, if the point is to reach out to people, > we're not going to accomplish that by only publishing Ogg Vorbis. I agree with this. As long as community members are producing Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora versions of materials as a primary resource, its perfectly okay for them to replicate the same material into other formats, as long as they do so in a legal manner. For example archive.org has a transcoding service which anyone can use to transcode works, as long as the copyright license on the work allows you to. All I ask is that community members make an effort to link/pointer to the Ogg Vorbis or Ogg Theora videos when other formats are made available whenever it is reasonable to provide that additional contextual information. Without remarking on the quality of this particular podcast...or on itunes as a distribution medium. I will say that I hope that Mark here gets involved in what Jon is trying to do with our Miro channel and starts experimenting with providing Fedora user relevant content through that mechanism. Itunes maybe a reasonable tool for outreach to people who have yet taken the plunge, but we also need creative people (ie not me) working on content aimed at people who are actively running Fedora. A set of Fedora Miro channel(s), is probably the best delivery mechanism we have identified. Though we could of course pre-populate other applications like gpodder with a Fedora podcast feed if we so desired. Being the gpodder maintainer, something I'm willing to do for F10 if we feel comfortable about the quality of the content in the channel. I would like to challenge Mark to think about delivering a periodic Ogg Vorbis podcast for our Miro channel, with content that is targeted at our existing userbase. I would also humbly suggest that if he were going to take up the challenge, that he attempt to survey people on the fedora-list and possible the fedoraforum.org forums for feedback as to the sort of podcast content that would be compelling to a wide audience in our existing userbase. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 17:48:15 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:48:15 -0800 Subject: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807021046x28ffed5w44acd80e1e969e40@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807021046x28ffed5w44acd80e1e969e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807021048r4c5732cdhbd108a0f0cbbf2d4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I would like to challenge Mark to think about delivering a periodic > Ogg Vorbis podcast for our Miro channel, with content that is targeted > at our existing userbase. I would also humbly suggest that if he were > going to take up the challenge, that he attempt to survey people on > the fedora-list and possible the fedoraforum.org forums for feedback > as to the sort of podcast content that would be compelling to a wide > audience in our existing userbase. I need more coffee... why did I write his name as Mark, instead of Markus.I apologize for taking such liberties with another person's name. -jef"f "spaleta From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 2 17:57:30 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:57:30 +0100 Subject: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807021048r4c5732cdhbd108a0f0cbbf2d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807021046x28ffed5w44acd80e1e969e40@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807021048r4c5732cdhbd108a0f0cbbf2d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807021057s7766d0b3n5a9c827ab2d8091a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Jeff Spaleta : > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> I would like to challenge Mark to think about delivering a periodic >> Ogg Vorbis podcast for our Miro channel, with content that is targeted >> at our existing userbase. I would also humbly suggest that if he were >> going to take up the challenge, that he attempt to survey people on >> the fedora-list and possible the fedoraforum.org forums for feedback >> as to the sort of podcast content that would be compelling to a wide >> audience in our existing userbase. I've also dropped a message to the people doing the Fedora Reloaded podcast and invited them to drop by the marketing-list... Best, Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 18:09:54 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:09:54 -0800 Subject: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807021057s7766d0b3n5a9c827ab2d8091a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215001262.11053.196.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807021046x28ffed5w44acd80e1e969e40@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807021048r4c5732cdhbd108a0f0cbbf2d4@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807021057s7766d0b3n5a9c827ab2d8091a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807021109w22af3439o9ca49720abd65043@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've also dropped a message to the people doing the Fedora Reloaded > podcast and invited them to drop by the marketing-list... > > Best, > > Jon I thought you might just do that. There's some untapped potential here for sure. I think people should get their heads together as a bigger team and layout a plan for what content to produce over the course of the F10 release cycle. We definitely have the tools in-distro for audio casting of reasonable quality. The video stuff is going to be a harder slog, given the state of the tools we can ship. But I think its a worthwhile slog, and I hope that as we beat our heads against the brick wall a bit out in the open, trying to get useful video out the door, we'll attract the people who will find that the video tools are the itch they want to scratch..but they just don't realize it yet because no one has told them has pointed out to them yet just how itchy that particular part of our ecosystem is. -jef"Open video production tools, is like that spot right between your shoulder blades...the spot back scratchers were invented for."spaleta From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jul 2 19:13:40 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:13:40 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00806291248v235c666fy5b3d07c5ff6443c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <10e0a9b00806291248v235c666fy5b3d07c5ff6443c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486BD364.5050403@redhat.com> Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > Given that many of the responders to the thread are already Fedora > Ambassadors and ready to help, why do you want a different setup than > the current ambassadors? If the current isn't seen as working well - > then lets focus on fixing that so both ambassadors working on a > college campus and those of us working at open source conferences and > events can all benefit. > > What do we gain by not working within the Ambassador framework for > this? I think this is a project that fits under the Ambassador group > quite nicely and would let us build on lessons already learned by that > group and also allow for lessons learned by ambassadors working on > college campuses to feed back into the ambassador group as well. > > Regards, > Jeffrey > > The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are going to have a different governance model around this and the goals will be slightly different.... Jack From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 20:07:40 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:07:40 -0800 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <486BD364.5050403@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <10e0a9b00806291248v235c666fy5b3d07c5ff6443c7@mail.gmail.com> <486BD364.5050403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807021307m18903036oe6677ba8ce1598ea@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are > going to have a different governance model around this and the goals will be > slightly different.... I'm looking specifically to put students/faculty with academic project requirements in touch with existing Fedora Project technical needs that could make adequate use of term limited student manpower to get something specific and well scoped done. If students as part of their degrees need to work on a year or semester long project, I want Fedora to be obvious place to look for compelling things to work on, with an aim towards well scoped projects that have a good chance for long lived utility. Ie, things we know we'd like to see people take a stab a doing, and we would attempt then pick up and maintain once the student completes their academic project time period. I hate seeing good academic project die because there was no real plan to hand them off outside of that academic group which incubated them. I think we do better. I frankly don't care under what group I have to work under to help achieve that. If I can build these sorts of bridges under a Campus specific outreach group which requires me to put in some "face time" by giving a tech talk on a periodic basis.. so be it. Whatever makes the most sense to get our foot in the door so we can start generating sustainable student involvement. -jef From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jul 2 20:56:48 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:56:48 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807021307m18903036oe6677ba8ce1598ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <10e0a9b00806291248v235c666fy5b3d07c5ff6443c7@mail.gmail.com> <486BD364.5050403@redhat.com> <604aa7910807021307m18903036oe6677ba8ce1598ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486BEB90.6000202@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are >> going to have a different governance model around this and the goals will be >> slightly different.... >> > > I'm looking specifically to put students/faculty with academic project > requirements in touch with existing Fedora Project technical needs > that could make adequate use of term limited student manpower to get > something specific and well scoped done. If students as part of their > degrees need to work on a year or semester long project, I want Fedora > to be obvious place to look for compelling things to work on, with an > aim towards well scoped projects that have a good chance for long > lived utility. Ie, things we know we'd like to see people take a stab > a doing, and we would attempt then pick up and maintain once the > student completes their academic project time period. I hate seeing > good academic project die because there was no real plan to hand them > off outside of that academic group which incubated them. I think we > do better. > > I absolutely agree and that is one of the aims of this, to link up students with current Fedora contributors who may need/require help. I have spoken to several institutions about this specific model and we have done things like this in the past but nothing formally. I *really* want to formalize this process as well and get some momentum around it. Jack From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jul 2 21:27:00 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:27:00 -0400 Subject: OSCON 2008 ? In-Reply-To: <486927F3.4010007@redhat.com> References: <486927F3.4010007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <486BF2A4.7060403@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Hi, > > I've been following the OSCON page and wondering if there are any more > updates coming, particularly with the BOF, swag, and all the TODOs > below? Three weeks to go! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON/OSCON2008#TODOs > > John > Schwag is on its way to you. I still didn't get word on the BoF, Ill email them again now. We are going to sit on the booth duty thing today and I will send out an email in a bit. Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 3 12:50:37 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:20:37 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 & KDE 4 review Message-ID: <486CCB1D.9080906@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.inatux.com/blog http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_KDE_4_review "We recommend Fedora 9 and the KDE that comes with it, not to the average user, people switching to Fedora or to Linux itself for that matter, but to past Fedora and KDE users, that would like to play around with the latest and greatest to the Fedora Linux distribution." Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 3 15:14:34 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:14:34 +0100 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! Message-ID: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> Right, We have a Trac instance now, thanks to the kind infrastructure people :) https://fedorahosted.org/fedoratv/ Any FAS account holders can login, file a ticket with information about a video/audio they want to submit for the feed, and we can respond openly and hold any discussions about whether to include the file or not. Before announcing this to the project outside of this list, I'd like to ask people to review the text I've put up and make any changes they think are needed. We still need to find a better way to update the feed, but that can wait until everything else is running smoothly. Best, Jon From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jul 3 18:36:50 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MEETING TODAY 1/2hr Message-ID: Hi all. Sorry for the late meeting reminder. I'm hoping to keep it short today -- check on current agenda stuff, defer new business to next week. irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg. See you in 1/2hr. --g From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 20:45:39 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:15:39 +0530 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807040215.40254.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Thursday 03 July 2008 08:44:34 pm Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Any FAS account holders can login, file a ticket with information > about a video/audio they want to submit for the feed, and we can > respond openly and hold any discussions about whether to include the > file or not. Looks good enough for starting. What we require now, is a long list of reviewers and ideas. We should also make sure that this news goes to everyone and everywhere. People should know about it. So, start blogging and mailing on this. We need more *Videos/Screencasts/Podcasts* :) Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 4 14:13:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:43:54 +0530 Subject: Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) ultra portable laptop piles the pressure on Microsoft Message-ID: <486E3022.1080505@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop "The hardware is based on the Intel Atom Processor which will be used in the Asus EeePC 1000. If you navigate to /etc/system-release you will discover that Linpus is based on a fork of Fedora 8 (Werewolf). That?s better. Much better. Fedora has managed to avoid shabby deals with Microsoft and playing fast and loose with Kernel source code and the GPL. At last, a version of GNU/Linux on an ultra portable you can use with a clear conscience" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 4 14:16:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:46:32 +0530 Subject: Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) ultra portable laptop piles the pressure on Microsoft In-Reply-To: <486E3022.1080505@fedoraproject.org> References: <486E3022.1080505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <486E30C0.7040003@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop > Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Acer_s_Linpus_Linux_Lite_Fedora_ultra_portable_laptop Rahul From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Jul 4 19:08:49 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 16:08:49 -0300 Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts Message-ID: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! While enjoying the discussions posted at the Brazilian Ambassadors list, I created a layout for the Software Freedom Day T-shirt ( http://softwarefreedomday.org ), Some of those Ambassadors offered to make such T-shirt for the event. I?ll post that at wiki when they are finished. http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.png http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.svg By the way, I?ve added an Artwork/T-Shirt design I made for the Fedora Ambassadors in Brazil - inspired by the art of the video http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/02/video-meet-the-fedora-ambassadors/ ) produced after FISL 7.0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Events cheers -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 19:18:59 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Jayme Ayres wrote: > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.png > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.svg > I can't seem to connect to your server. -- ian -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From neo.reeves at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 19:20:54 2008 From: neo.reeves at gmail.com (Neo Reeves) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 00:20:54 +0500 Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Love the event, I'll be organizing in Maldives for sure !!! 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If possible report to the Provider of his abuse. Kushal Das wrote: > On Saturday 05 July 2008 07:40:02 pm Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: > >> Dipanjan gave you a gift, find out what you got by joining BluBet. >> >> https://www.blubet.com/invitepath/gt/0d25a0164a9c11dd945e02bf453b928c/1 >> > Can anyone block this person ? > > Kushal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is entirely due to my carelessness and I am to blame. I promise to be more careful in the future. I deeply appologise to all that I have offended, and am ready to do all that is necessary to redress this. Dipanjan Chakraborty. 2008/7/5 Dipanjan Chakraborty : > You've received a special gift from Dipanjan. > > Open your gift >> > > Find out what you got and accept your invitation. > > Please do not reply directly to this email. This message has been > forwarded at the request of *chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com*. > Blubet will not use or retain your e-mail address for any other purpose as a > result of this referral. > > If you would prefer not to receive invitations from ANY Blubet members > please click here > Blubet, Inc., 208 Utah Street, Suite 404, San Francisco, CA 94103, USA. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 16:16:18 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:46:18 +0530 Subject: SPAMS [WAS: Dipanjan C sent you a special gift] In-Reply-To: <486F9595.1070607@gmail.com> References: <200807051944.09325.kushaldas@gmail.com> <486F9595.1070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am very sorry for my carelessness. I was trying to forward this mail to all my friends, but entirely forgot that the fedora mailing list is also in my contacts. This is entirely due to my carelessness and I am to blame. I promise to be more careful in the future. I deeply appologise to all that I have offended, and am ready to do all that is necessary to redress this. Dipanjan Chakraborty. 2008/7/5 Jason Benedict Low : > Block is solving one SPAM. If possible report to the Provider of his > abuse. > > > Kushal Das wrote: > > On Saturday 05 July 2008 07:40:02 pm Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: > > > Dipanjan gave you a gift, find out what you got by joining BluBet. > https://www.blubet.com/invitepath/gt/0d25a0164a9c11dd945e02bf453b928c/1 > > Can anyone block this person ? > > Kushal > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teseu at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 6 05:14:36 2008 From: teseu at fedoraproject.org (Teseu) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 02:14:36 -0300 Subject: SPAMS [WAS: Dipanjan C sent you a special gift] In-Reply-To: References: <200807051944.09325.kushaldas@gmail.com> <486F9595.1070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem is "solved", so the discussion is over, right? 2008/7/5 Dipanjan Chakraborty : > I am very sorry for my carelessness. I was trying to forward this mail to > all my friends, but entirely forgot that the fedora mailing list is also in > my contacts. This is entirely due to my carelessness and I am to blame. I > promise to be more careful in the future. I deeply appologise to all that > I have offended, and am ready to do all that is necessary to redress this. > > Dipanjan Chakraborty. > > 2008/7/5 Jason Benedict Low : >> >> Block is solving one SPAM. If possible report to the Provider of his >> abuse. >> >> >> Kushal Das wrote: >> >> On Saturday 05 July 2008 07:40:02 pm Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: >> >> >> Dipanjan gave you a gift, find out what you got by joining BluBet. >> >> https://www.blubet.com/invitepath/gt/0d25a0164a9c11dd945e02bf453b928c/1 >> >> >> Can anyone block this person ? >> >> Kushal >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "...don't underestimate the power of the dark side..." From elio at tondo.it Sun Jul 6 22:19:00 2008 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:19:00 +0200 Subject: Flying Fedora! Message-ID: <487144D4.5040706@tondo.it> http://hybrid.stanford.edu/starmac/overview "Finally, a PC-104 computer was added running Linux (Fedora)" http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/07/video-unmanned.html Elio From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 7 13:18:14 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:18:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Dipanjan C sent you a special gift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: > I am very sorry for my carelessness. I was trying to forward this mail > to all my friends, but entirely forgot that the fedora mailing list is > also in my contacts. This is entirely due to my carelessness and I am > to blame. I promise to be more careful in the future. I deeply > appologise to all that I have offended, and am ready to do all that is > necessary to redress this. It's ok -- everyone makes mistakes. I hereby declare this thread over. :) --Max From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Jul 7 14:16:44 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:16:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News: Beat Writers sought for Marketing & Events/Meetings Message-ID: <4872254C.9050908@nd.edu> Greetings Fedora Marketing folk -- We are seeking two new beat writers for the Marketing beat and also someone to tackle the related Events and Meetings beat for Fedora Weekly News. This is a relatively easy task; it takes perhaps an hour per week to summarize the activity on the fedora-marketing-list and likely even less time to cover the Meetings & Events beat. We would love to have you join us! If you are interested, take a peak at the last few issues of FWN [1] to see what this looks like, and then sign up [2] by joining the fedora-news-list, introduce yourself and claim one of these beats as your own! [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join Fedora Weekly News Editorial Team Pascal Calarco Oisin Feeley Huzaifa Sidhpurwala From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jul 7 17:06:07 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Jayme Ayres wrote: > By the way, I?ve added an Artwork/T-Shirt design I made for the Fedora > Ambassadors in Brazil - inspired by the art of the video > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/02/video-meet-the-fedora-ambassadors/ > ) produced after FISL 7.0 > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Events Brilliant! By coincidence, I happen to be wearing my Brazilian ambassadors shirt today -- I'm giving my New Hire Orientation to Red Hat employees, and I'm bragging to them about how awesome our Brazilians are. ;) --g From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 17:10:19 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:10:19 -0800 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Right, > > We have a Trac instance now, thanks to the kind infrastructure people :) > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedoratv/ What is the rss feed url? Do we have that listed on a page somewhere outside of Miro itself? For people using other "podcasting" clients we should make it easy to find. Possibly on the start page. I've gotten permission from the gpodder upstream to patch the default list of rss feeds that gpodder will pre-populate for first time users of gpodder on a system. I want to add our fedora rss feed to it and see how it goes. -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 18:20:29 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:20:29 +0100 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> > What is the rss feed url? Do we have that listed on a page somewhere > outside of Miro itself? For people using other "podcasting" clients > we should make it easy to find. Possibly on the start page. > OK, I've added that to the Fedora TV trac page. > I've gotten permission from the gpodder upstream to patch the default > list of rss feeds that gpodder will pre-populate for first time users > of gpodder on a system. I want to add our fedora rss feed to it and > see how it goes. Would it also be worth while looking into adding it to Banshee out of the box on Fedora systems? Version 1.0 can play video files too, and is my preferred client for video podcasts... I'm going to post this to my blog in the next few hours unless anyone has any objections? Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 19:14:06 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:14:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> I've attached the announcement I've drafted for my blog below. Opinions are welcome :) I'd also like to push this to f-announce-list too, if possible. In a short while too, I was going to create a video to stick in the channel saying welcome - though it won't be any thing exciting, just my ugly mug recorded via my webcam, any brighter ideas are welcome! Best, Jon --------------------- What is it? A way for our community to easily share video and audio related to Fedora with each other - the mechanism we've chosen to do this is an RSS feed that also exists as a channel in Miro. How do I watch? You can install Miro and subscribe to the Fedora TV channel. You can also add the RSS feed to any feed reader or suitable podcatching client. I'm personally using Banshee for my podcast needs these days as it has great video support and if you're a Gnome user is really nice to use :) The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml Can I submit my own videos? Yes! We want this to be a community channel where any Fedora community members can submit their content. So if you've created a screen cast tutorial, an interview, a podcast, a promo video or anything else Fedora related we want you to submit it to us. The only conditions for it's inclusion in the feed is that it's: 1. on topic 2. in an open format such as OGG Theora/Vorbis 3. is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike license To let us know about your video head over to our Trac instance where you can login with your FAS account details and file a new ticket for each video you'd like to include. This way we can review your submission to make sure the above conditions are all met. If we decide that a video isn't suitable, we'll let you know in the ticket so all conversations of this manner are open and everyone can have their voices heard :) At the moment you need to find somewhere to keep your video file as we don't have dedicated hosting. For the time being, you might want to try using your Fedora People space. What still needs doing? A better way for us to update the feed. At the minute I maintain the feed, and as you can imagine this is not entirely ideal. We'd like to fix this and find an automatic way for this to happen, but we can tackle that in the future. A better place for feed videos to be stored. I'd also really like to have a place to tie all of our marketing activities together, and I hope we'll have this in the not too distant future. What do I plan to do for the channel? My usual series of developer interviews. Yeah, I'm original, I know... I challenge everyone else in the community to come up with something better! From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 19:42:00 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:42:00 -0800 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807071242o5723d00fy9869de8384d1204f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Would it also be worth while looking into adding it to Banshee out of > the box on Fedora systems? Version 1.0 can play video files too, and > is my preferred client for video podcasts... I think it would be worthwhile to add a single Fedora cast feed as a pre-defined default in any application that understands podcasts. I maintain the gpodder package, so I have the ability to just do it, so I'm doing it with upstream's consent. If we end up getting to the point where we need to have multiple feeds, then we might want to show constraint and not over-populate a default feed list in any application and let people grab additional feeds as the desire. The important thing being that the pre-populating be done in such a way that a user can choose to delete the feed and it doesn't come back, unless the user needs to wipe that applications configs completely and get a re-generated set of default configs. We don't want to force them to keep a feed in place, but we do want them to see the feed... like the default bookmarks we put in firefox. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 20:42:11 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:42:11 -0800 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807071242o5723d00fy9869de8384d1204f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071242o5723d00fy9869de8384d1204f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807071342w54420b96ifda319cd16083967@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I think it would be worthwhile to add a single Fedora cast feed as a > pre-defined default in any application that understands podcasts. I > maintain the gpodder package, so I have the ability to just do it, so > I'm doing it with upstream's consent. If we end up getting to the > point where we need to have multiple feeds, then we might want to show > constraint and not over-populate a default feed list in any > application and let people grab additional feeds as the desire. Just a little FYI. Gpodder has the ability to set a URL for a channel directory, for its "import from the web" channel selection feature. We have the option to create a Fedora specific channel directory, replacing the default one. Would that be worthwhile? And if so would it be legal? Could we legally create such a directory file hosted inside the fedora project of "interesting" vorbis/theora feeds and offer it as a directory of channels to choose from inside gpodder? Does banshee offer a similar directory of channels option? This is the current gpodder directory url for reference: http://gpodder.berlios.de/directory.opml -jef From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 22:03:12 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 03:33:12 +0530 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807080333.13161.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:44:06 am Jonathan Roberts wrote: > The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml In the above stated rss feed what is the different between and ? like in that file: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:41:00 GMT Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:23:00 GMT I am writing a small python script to add videos to that xml file. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 22:08:03 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:08:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <200807080333.13161.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> <200807080333.13161.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807071508u35648618v3c2e6dd072c28010@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/7 Kushal Das : > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:44:06 am Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > In the above stated rss feed what is the different between and > ? > > like in that file: > Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:41:00 GMT > Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:23:00 GMT > > > I am writing a small python script to add videos to that xml file. There shouldn't be a difference, just me being clumsy! Not sure that they're both necessary, but it was put together quickly and I thought it wa better to be careful. Best, Jon > > Kushal > -- > Fedora Ambassador, India > http://kushaldas.in > http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 02:17:11 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:17:11 -0600 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807071010l24a56bf9i76e9a353dfa290fe@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've attached the announcement I've drafted for my blog below. > Opinions are welcome :) I'd also like to push this to f-announce-list > too, if possible. In a short while too, I was going to create a video > to stick in the channel saying welcome - though it won't be any thing > exciting, just my ugly mug recorded via my webcam, any brighter ideas > are welcome! > > Best, > > Jon > > --------------------- > > What is it? > > A way for our community to easily share video and audio related to > Fedora with each other - the mechanism we've chosen to do this is an > RSS feed that also exists as a channel in Miro. > > How do I watch? > > You can install Miro and subscribe to the Fedora TV channel. You can > also add the RSS feed to any feed reader or suitable podcatching > client. I'm personally using Banshee for my podcast needs these days > as it has great video support and if you're a Gnome user is really > nice to use :) > > The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > > Can I submit my own videos? > > Yes! We want this to be a community channel where any Fedora community > members can submit their content. So if you've created a screen cast > tutorial, an interview, a podcast, a promo video or anything else > Fedora related we want you to submit it to us. The only conditions for > it's inclusion in the feed is that it's: > > 1. on topic > 2. in an open format such as OGG Theora/Vorbis > 3. is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike license Is 'signed the CLA' assumed? > > To let us know about your video head over to our Trac instance where > you can login with your FAS account details and file a new ticket for > each video you'd like to include. This way we can review your > submission to make sure the above conditions are all met. If we decide > that a video isn't suitable, we'll let you know in the ticket so all > conversations of this manner are open and everyone can have their > voices heard :) > > At the moment you need to find somewhere to keep your video file as we > don't have dedicated hosting. For the time being, you might want to > try using your Fedora People space. > > What still needs doing? > > A better way for us to update the feed. At the minute I maintain the > feed, and as you can imagine this is not entirely ideal. We'd like to > fix this and find an automatic way for this to happen, but we can > tackle that in the future. > > A better place for feed videos to be stored. > > I'd also really like to have a place to tie all of our marketing > activities together, and I hope we'll have this in the not too distant > future. > > What do I plan to do for the channel? > > My usual series of developer interviews. Yeah, I'm original, I know... > I challenge everyone else in the community to come up with something > better! See my comment above, otherwise it sounds great. JonRob, you rock man. I'll be working on some new videos in the near future. Watch for gnome-do, ssh keys and more. Cheers, Clint From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Jul 8 09:54:09 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer4711 at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:54:09 +0200 Subject: new group in social network wer-kennt-wen, germany Message-ID: <48733941.2010904@gmx.de> Hy, most info probably for german guys, but if anybody want also join: under http://www.wer-kennt-wen.de/club_qtb74tv6_Fedora.html you can join the Fedora-group in the german social network. More info about the network can be found under http://www.wer-kennt-wen.de/wer_sind_wir.html If you have any questions you can also contact me directly under wonderer at fedoraproject.org --- geman version --- Hallo, unter http://www.wer-kennt-wen.de/club_qtb74tv6_Fedora.html ist die neue Fedora-Gruppe bei wer-kennt-wen zu finden. weitere Infos zu wer-kennt-wen allgemein ist unter http://www.wer-kennt-wen.de/wer_sind_wir.html zu finden. bei Fragen bitte gerne auch an wonderer at fedoraproject.org sincerly Henrik From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 21:37:18 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:07:18 +0530 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807090307.19626.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:44:06 am Jonathan Roberts wrote: > The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml http://kushal.fedorapeople.org/tvitem ^^ is a small script to help you. You can insert video/audio item in the rss file using this. More details on http://kushaldas.in/?p=263 Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 22:25:01 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:25:01 -0600 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: <200807090307.19626.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071120w7ba7c189n2236084ad58fd822@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807071214n768f9c4bsde5eb412c9939dfb@mail.gmail.com> <200807090307.19626.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:44:06 am Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > http://kushal.fedorapeople.org/tvitem > ^^ is a small script to help you. You can insert video/audio item in the rss > file using this. More details on http://kushaldas.in/?p=263 > Kushal, Did I miss something? How is the xml formatted? I mean I see it here in the mailing list, but wouldn't it be nice to have it on that post somewhere so its easy to reference? 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This topic is about what we should rename/rebrand EPEL. > If you really like the EPEL name, you'll have to rally a team of > supporters to convince the rest of us that it is worth keeping. :) > > Tomorrow, Wednesday 9 July, at 1400 EDT/1800 UTC we are going to kick > off the renaming with a conference call. Hopefully some branding folks > from Red Hat can join. > > From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Teleconference_number : > > * Get the VoIP/dial-in number details here: > > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ > > * Fedora Marketing now has a conference room setup to use at-will, it is > extension 2004. > > - Karsten > From rick.g777 at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 15:27:51 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:27:51 -0600 Subject: Your invitation from Dipanjan C is about to expire In-Reply-To: <200807091044.m69AiiT8006591@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200807091044.m69AiiT8006591@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <50b116700807090827x275df511r72651af64367f6b5@mail.gmail.com> Don't worry guys, I clicked on the unsubscribe link - hope that wasn't a mistake - and we won't receive any more of these nasty invitations. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 9 16:41:19 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:11:19 +0530 Subject: Making some Fedora noise Message-ID: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> Hi, There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press releases. Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 OLPC is the largest deployment of Fedora http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2008/06/30/30th-june-2008/ "Number of laptops shipped: 390,000 Number of laptops being built per month (currently): 50,000" Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) Ultra Portable Laptop http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 9 17:19:42 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:19:42 +0100 Subject: Making some Fedora noise In-Reply-To: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> References: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0807091019j7e9091d0j2cd8c00519dbb4e9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Rahul Sundaram : > Hi, > > There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press > releases. > > Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs > Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 > > OLPC is the largest deployment of Fedora > > http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2008/06/30/30th-june-2008/ > > "Number of laptops shipped: 390,000 > Number of laptops being built per month (currently): 50,000" > > Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) Ultra Portable Laptop > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop I can write up some things this weekend if people are happy to wait. If anybody else would like to write some stuff, I'd be happy to review it if they wanted. Best, Jon From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 17:34:08 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:34:08 -0400 Subject: Making some Fedora noise In-Reply-To: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> References: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4874F690.3020805@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press > releases. > > Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs > Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 I am already working on this. Made significant progress. Please sit tight until I can get further information. Thanks, Jack From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 17:35:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:35:31 -0800 Subject: rebranding EPEL In-Reply-To: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910807091035y5e3b251bw2cac43fa19c1421b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > * Fedora Marketing now has a conference room setup to use at-will, it is > extension 2004. oops, I don't have my headset unpacked from the move. I don't think I can make the voice call today. -jef From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 18:29:43 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:59:43 +0530 Subject: Fedora TV is ready to go! In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0807030814p62d3a464j8f613bcd84e9183a@mail.gmail.com> <200807090307.19626.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807092359.44062.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 09 July 2008 03:55:01 am Clint Savage wrote: > Did I miss something? How is the xml formatted? I mean I see it here > in the mailing list, but wouldn't it be nice to have it on that post > somewhere so its easy to reference? http://kushal.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml is the new structure I am following as both and are required together. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From ronignc at yahoo.com.br Wed Jul 9 19:09:17 2008 From: ronignc at yahoo.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ron=ED_Gon=E7alves?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:09:17 -0300 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora Message-ID: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Marketing group! This message is to expose one idea I had. This idea is about video using and is inspired by these two iniciatives: 1. http://fedoratv.com/ 1.1 http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/fedora-tv/ 2. http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html So, these video productions have inspired me to think about a new way of presenting and promoting the next versions of Fedora. I'm suggesting this because I think that the merchandising made for Fedora could be improved by using more multimedia formats, it means, when new versions of the system are up to be released the only marketing in the official site is a counterdown ("There're n! days to Fedora x be released") and posts of users/ambassadors on their blogs/sites/etc about the releasing. Then, I think that, as the artwork team is already working on the possible themes for the new release, a new kind of presentation using videos to promote what's up to come. Videos movie-trailer-like with an attractive, but still mysterious to make who watches them get interested in Fedora new version. And a "Release Video" could be done with co-operation of the marketing and artwork teams and be disponible in the Fedora Project Mainpage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jul 9 19:54:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:54:00 -0700 Subject: rebranding EPEL In-Reply-To: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1215633240.3142.334.camel@calliope.phig.org> The discussion about what EPEL is, what its niche is, lead into a good discussion about enterprise community in general. EPEL is really part of a parental role that Fedora is taking in birthing and raising enterprise communities -- RHEL, etc. Realizing we had grabbed an even bigger meal to chew on, and the hour having passed, we decided to continue working on this. One thing happening is, John Adams is digesting all that he has learned and thinking about how it fits with the various brand promises. This is all part of understanding the problem that a new brand solves. :) cheers - Karsten On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 07:38 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Bringing this discussion to Fedora Marketing as the best place for > another fun (re)branding exercise. fedora-epel-devel-list has been > invited here for the discussion. > > Many of us think, with the agreement of the EPEL Steering Committee, > that the name 'EPEL' is, uh, insufficient. Well, it sucks a little bit, > but it was also a reasonable resolution that let us get ahead with the > actual work. This topic is about what we should rename/rebrand EPEL. > If you really like the EPEL name, you'll have to rally a team of > supporters to convince the rest of us that it is worth keeping. :) > > Tomorrow, Wednesday 9 July, at 1400 EDT/1800 UTC we are going to kick > off the renaming with a conference call. Hopefully some branding folks > from Red Hat can join. > > From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Teleconference_number : > > * Get the VoIP/dial-in number details here: > > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ > > * Fedora Marketing now has a conference room setup to use at-will, it is > extension 2004. > > - Karsten > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From romal at gmx.de Wed Jul 9 19:57:48 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:57:48 +0200 Subject: Making some Fedora noise In-Reply-To: <4874F690.3020805@redhat.com> References: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> <4874F690.3020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4875183C.5010502@gmx.de> Hi, look at page 4. It clears states RHEL and Fedora. http://sti.cc.gatech.edu/SC07-BOF/06-Borrett.pdf cu romal www.romal.de blog.romal.de Jack Aboutboul schrieb: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press >> releases. >> >> Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs >> Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 > I am already working on this. Made significant progress. Please sit > tight until I can get further information. > > Thanks, > Jack > From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 23:29:07 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:29:07 -0800 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Ron? Gon?alves : > And a "Release Video" could be done with co-operation of the marketing and artwork teams and be disponible in the Fedora Project Mainpage. I am not sure we have the tools in distro right now that are capable of producing a high enough quality video meant solely as a promotional propoganda. I personally think F10 is too early a timeframe to try to do this and be successful considering the current state of editting tools in the distro and our cumulative lack of experience trying to use them. Tutorial screencast and interviews, are going to be far easier targets to succeed because they won't need much in the way of editing, or direction. And I think its extremely important that we limit our video production efforts to only using in distro tools for anything which could be conceived as official. If individual users want to use external tools and create promotional videos that's fine by me.. it's not like I can stop them. But if its coming out of the Fedora Marketing or the Fedora Art group as official work, then we need to stick to in distro tools and start having a real conversation about finding contributors who can work with the upstream developers to make these tools better. Hell, I haven't even started to poke people about making use of blender yet to generate artistic video content. I also don't know how we are going to ever be able to provide embedded video in a way that makes sense on our main site. Flash doesn't support ogg yet, so we can't easily generate a flash video that works for our userbase. And for people outside our userbase, I'm not sure there is a way to embed theora into a page and have it work for people. Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed theora and view it? -jef From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 00:20:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:20:06 +0000 Subject: rebranding EPEL In-Reply-To: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1215649206.31212.73.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 07:38 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Tomorrow, Wednesday 9 July, at 1400 EDT/1800 UTC we are going to kick > off the renaming with a conference call. Hopefully some branding folks > from Red Hat can join. > > From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Teleconference_number : > > * Get the VoIP/dial-in number details here: > > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ > > * Fedora Marketing now has a conference room setup to use at-will, it is > extension 2004. Does it make sense to ask if this call is being recorded for posterity and transparency? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 00:21:47 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:21:47 +0000 Subject: Making some Fedora noise In-Reply-To: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> References: <4874EA2F.9040708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215649307.31212.76.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 22:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press > releases. > > Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs > Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 > > OLPC is the largest deployment of Fedora > > http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2008/06/30/30th-june-2008/ > > "Number of laptops shipped: 390,000 > Number of laptops being built per month (currently): 50,000" > > Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) Ultra Portable Laptop > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop Jef Spaleta said he would also be coming to this list to formulate questions whose answers would make interesting marketing material. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 00:33:52 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:33:52 -0600 Subject: rebranding EPEL In-Reply-To: <1215649206.31212.73.camel@victoria> References: <1215614300.3142.306.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1215649206.31212.73.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <80d7e4090807091733k305d5893ga32c2ce00f5d387b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Paul W. Frields : > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 07:38 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> Tomorrow, Wednesday 9 July, at 1400 EDT/1800 UTC we are going to kick >> off the renaming with a conference call. Hopefully some branding folks >> from Red Hat can join. >> >> From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Teleconference_number : >> >> * Get the VoIP/dial-in number details here: >> >> http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ >> >> * Fedora Marketing now has a conference room setup to use at-will, it is >> extension 2004. > > Does it make sense to ask if this call is being recorded for posterity > and transparency? > I don't know if it was recorded or not.. most of it was me talking about how we needed to market it as Beige and trying to figure out how to map out how Fedora and its projects relate to RHEL. by using a Klein bottle. I think people were just humouring me until the men in white coats find me. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From ronignc at yahoo.com.br Thu Jul 10 00:57:30 2008 From: ronignc at yahoo.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ron=ED_Gon=E7alves?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:57:30 -0300 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cd7e5950807091757j6ed6a539k156e0e7042b60484@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Jeff Spaleta : > 2008/7/9 Ron? Gon?alves : > > And a "Release Video" could be done with co-operation of the marketing > and artwork teams and be disponible in the Fedora Project Mainpage. > > > I am not sure we have the tools in distro right now that are capable > of producing a high enough quality video meant solely as a promotional > propoganda. I personally think F10 is too early a timeframe to try to > do this and be successful considering the current state of editting > tools in the distro and our cumulative lack of experience trying to > use them. Tutorial screencast and interviews, are going to be far > easier targets to succeed because they won't need much in the way of > editing, or direction. Hi, Jeff :) With this point of yours, I agree. There are not really professional tools to make a solely promotional propaganda. But, my idea is not to restrict the use of videos, it is more to use more video/multimedia. Screencasts and interviews are great formats to promote Fedora, because they are not only show, but also instructive. And I think its extremely important that we limit our video production > efforts to only using in distro tools for anything which could be > conceived as official. If individual users want to use external tools > and create promotional videos that's fine by me.. it's not like I can > stop them. But if its coming out of the Fedora Marketing or the Fedora > Art group as official work, then we need to stick to in distro tools > and start having a real conversation about finding contributors who > can work with the upstream developers to make these tools better. Here, I understand your point of view, but do not agree with it. Limiting our video production using only the distro tools would be important if the focus was to promote the tools, but it is not. This position is against the concept of freedom of choice. If the distro does not have tools good enough to provide video editing, it should not be reason for do not use other tools, or even, other distros to make propaganda. IMHO, this behaviour is too much rigid. Hell, I haven't even started to poke people about making use of > blender yet to generate artistic video content. Well [to rhyme with hell], Blender is a REALLY professional tool. The videos do not need, necessarily, to be professional; semi-pro is all right :D > I also don't know how we are going to ever be able to provide embedded > video in a way that makes sense on our main site. Flash doesn't > support ogg yet, so we can't easily generate a flash video that works > for our userbase. And for people outside our userbase, I'm not sure > there is a way to embed theora into a page and have it work for > people. Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed > theora and view it? > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > This is the deep point to the viability for the providing of videos. There must be, as you wrote, care with both parts: people of the inside and outside userbase. About you last question, I do not know either. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed > theora and view it? iTheora: http://menguy.aymeric.free.fr/theora/?p=demo ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 09:18:43 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:48:43 +0530 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <29630.VwABDVdRC3c=.1215679764.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> <29630.VwABDVdRC3c=.1215679764.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <4875D3F3.5080203@fedoraproject.org> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> I also don't know how we are going to ever be able to provide embedded >> video in a way that makes sense on our main site. Flash doesn't >> support ogg yet, so we can't easily generate a flash video that works >> for our userbase. And for people outside our userbase, I'm not sure >> there is a way to embed theora into a page and have it work for >> people. Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed >> theora and view it? > iTheora: http://menguy.aymeric.free.fr/theora/?p=demo This is cool. Is there any interest in packaging it for Fedora? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 09:23:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:53:22 +0530 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4875D50A.4000604@fedoraproject.org> Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed > theora and view it? One option is http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ Rahul From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 09:31:51 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:31:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <4875D50A.4000604@fedoraproject.org> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> <4875D50A.4000604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <51760.VwBUX1dRCno=.1215682311.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed >> theora and view it? > > One option is > > http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ > iTheora, the applet I mentioned here, is based on cortado. Don't ask me the differences between the 2 options ^^ ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 10:00:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:30:34 +0530 Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth Message-ID: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_Replaces_RHGB_With_Plymouth "Providing a graphical boot process going back to the old Red Hat Linux days has been rhgb, or Red Hat Graphical Boot. The Red Hat Graphical Boot process uses an X server to display information about services starting, etc. However, this Red Hat project is in the process of being discontinued. The successor to RHGB is called Plymouth, which is being engineered by Red Hat's Ray Strode." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 10:14:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:44:09 +0530 Subject: Top 4 New Feature Proposed for Fedora 10 Message-ID: <4875E0F1.3070009@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/07/09/top-4-new-feature-proposed-for-fedora-10/ Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_amazing_features " Obviously, there is no guarantee that these features will be part of Fedora 10, but if they are, it looks like it could be an incredible release, particularly for new users." Rahul From aks at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 12:47:49 2008 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:32:49 +0545 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots to talk about, especially the excellent progress of Fedora TV (well done, JonRob and Kushal especially.) --g From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 15:42:27 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:42:27 +0100 Subject: Marketing meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0807100842p2d1fc696sd30756c2531f1911@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/10 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > Hey all. Fedora marketing meeting today. > > WHERE: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg > WHEN: 1900 UTC (3pm Eastern US time) > WHAT: Agenda at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > See you all then. Lots to talk about, especially the excellent progress of > Fedora TV (well done, JonRob and Kushal especially.) Cheers, I should be there for a change today, provided I remember! Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 16:44:25 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:44:25 -0800 Subject: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora In-Reply-To: <8cd7e5950807091757j6ed6a539k156e0e7042b60484@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cd7e5950807091209j492369f6y628728fe78b16b26@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807091629k4d71ed69u7c4b4f39588bec0a@mail.gmail.com> <8cd7e5950807091757j6ed6a539k156e0e7042b60484@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807100944h43517fd5yc66b6292def4f97d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Ron? Gon?alves : > Here, I understand your point of view, but do not agree with it. Limiting > our video production using only the distro tools would be important if the > focus was to promote the tools, but it is not. This position is against the > concept of freedom of choice. Beyond the PR lose of using out of distro tools to do anything at all..... I think your opinion runs counter to how our project working groups have been working so far. The Art group I believe makes it a point to limit as much of they work they do to using in-distro tools. Not to promote the tools..but to make it possible for anyone in our community to contribute. By sticking with in-distro tools we create the lowest possible bar for access to contribution. Ultimately thats the point of the project... making it possible for anyone to contribute and work together. If people don't have access to the same tools, it makes it harder for them to work together. I doubt that I would even have to make it a policy to just use in-distro tools. As people come together inside our community, I think that sort of policy ends up being put in place through consensus exactly because it makes it easier for everyone. > Well [to rhyme with hell], Blender is a REALLY professional tool. The videos > do not need, necessarily, to be professional; semi-pro is all right :D Blender is in the distro... if someone wanted to use blender and generate some promotional videos using it.. I highly doubt anyone would shun them. I'm just not sure who our blender professionals in the community currently are. Find those people, convince them to do a slick couple of minute video that we can render into different formats. We'll start a fedorahosted project to host the blender project files they create and then they can lead a group of contributors who want to continue development of that short animation as a subproject in and of itself. -jef From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:24:59 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:24:59 +0200 Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth In-Reply-To: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> References: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA > > Digg it: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_Replaces_RHGB_With_Plymouth > > > "Providing a graphical boot process going back to the old Red Hat Linux days > has been rhgb, or Red Hat Graphical Boot. The Red Hat Graphical Boot process > uses an X server to display information about services starting, etc. > However, this Red Hat project is in the process of being discontinued. The > successor to RHGB is called Plymouth, which is being engineered by Red Hat's > Ray Strode." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Will we see plymouth in Fedora 10 or is it too early? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:29:17 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:29:17 +0200 Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> References: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA >> >> Digg it: >> >> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_Replaces_RHGB_With_Plymouth >> >> >> "Providing a graphical boot process going back to the old Red Hat Linux days >> has been rhgb, or Red Hat Graphical Boot. The Red Hat Graphical Boot process >> uses an X server to display information about services starting, etc. >> However, this Red Hat project is in the process of being discontinued. The >> successor to RHGB is called Plymouth, which is being engineered by Red Hat's >> Ray Strode." >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > Will we see plymouth in Fedora 10 or is it too early? > > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > Ok, I found it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup but why is link back to all features "broken" ie. the page is almost empty? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features I would expect to see here list of all features, am I wrong to expect this? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 21:31:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:01:08 +0530 Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> References: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48767F9C.5010007@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > but why is link back to all features "broken" ie. the page is almost empty? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features > > I would expect to see here list of all features, am I wrong to expect this? Nothing is broken. That page is self explanatory. Click on the first link to understand the details. Rahul From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 05:53:57 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:38:57 +0545 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> Dear Abhishek, gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your recommended videos. I have the following plan: 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical 4. 1 Hr of Launch 5. 20 Min Tea Break 6. 40 Min Break The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end at 6:00 in the evening. And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it is feasible please also come by with some presentations. I will appreciate that. And can we call someone from neighboring countries too. Wishes, Tushar Abhishek Singh wrote: > Dear Tushar, > So as I guess, you are organising an orientation programme cum > workshop that will make the target audience aware of GNU/Linux and > FOSS, and provide them a brief insight of how to use them, isn't it? > Can you send a brief detail of how are you structuring the > programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 audience doesn't seem > feasible; how can you manage them with just 30 volunteers. You need to > prepare a lot. > Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of the marketing > slides of Fedora which you can find at .... I'll also suggest you to > use some of the RedHat Videos like "Truth Happens > ", "We are here > " etc. You can include some > materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer to IOSN FOSS Primer > for more such > materials), "How can FOSS help to create secure and low cost ICT > infrastructures?" (refer to the RedHat's Cost Cutter Video > > for reference). You can also include a Install Fest, which will enable > your target audience to get Linux (preferably Fedora) installed on > their PC/Laptop. Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good > option, but the number of audience is a great barrier here. > > Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to help you more. > Keep in touch. > > Regards, > Abhishek Singh > > > Tushar Neupaney wrote: >> Dear ambassadors, >> >> I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, this is a >> medical university and I hope that at least a 1000 people will attend. >> >> To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and utilize it to >> motive many to use Linux is my prime goal. >> >> Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed to be >> discussed in the workshop. >> The things that should not be missed and anything special that can be >> done economically and easily to motive people. >> >> The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still flexible) >> >> We can support: >> 1. Hall for workshop. >> 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due to the crowd) >> 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) >> 4. Other supports are still to come.... >> >> Hoping to get some support, >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Tushar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 11 08:10:54 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:10:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> References: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48446.VwBUX1dRCno=.1215763854.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> Will we see plymouth in Fedora 10 or is it too early? >> > Ok, I found it: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup > Jeremy Katz spoke about it on his live journal: http://katzj.livejournal.com/432195.html He also provided a screencast here: http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html Looks really nice :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 10:03:49 2008 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Ahsan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:03:49 +0600 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> Tushar, One question -- Will there be any presentation about working on FEDORA... and the like... or is the workshop mainly focused on raising awareness among people ? Please let me know asap. Thanks and have a nice time :) -- Md. Ahsanur Rashid, Undergraduate Student, Level-4, Term-1, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. Tel - (+88) 01715621323 Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : > Dear Abhishek, > > gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your recommended videos. > > I have the following plan: > > 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day > 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show > 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical > > 4. 1 Hr of Launch > 5. 20 Min Tea Break > 6. 40 Min Break > > The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end at 6:00 in the > evening. > > And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it is feasible please > also come by with some presentations. I will appreciate that. And can we > call someone from neighboring countries too. > > Wishes, > > Tushar > > Abhishek Singh wrote: > > Dear Tushar, > So as I guess, you are organising an orientation programme cum > workshop that will make the target audience aware of GNU/Linux and FOSS, and > provide them a brief insight of how to use them, isn't it? > Can you send a brief detail of how are you structuring the > programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 audience doesn't seem feasible; how > can you manage them with just 30 volunteers. You need to prepare a lot. > Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of the marketing > slides of Fedora which you can find at .... I'll also suggest you to use > some of the RedHat Videos like "Truth Happens", > "We are here " etc. You can > include some materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer to IOSN FOSS > Primer for more > such materials), "How can FOSS help to create secure and low cost ICT > infrastructures?" (refer to the RedHat's Cost Cutter Videofor reference). You can also include a Install Fest, which will enable your > target audience to get Linux (preferably Fedora) installed on their > PC/Laptop. Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good option, but > the number of audience is a great barrier here. > > Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to help you more. Keep > in touch. > > Regards, > Abhishek Singh > > > Tushar Neupaney wrote: > > Dear ambassadors, > > I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, this is a medical > university and I hope that at least a 1000 people will attend. > > To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and utilize it to motive > many to use Linux is my prime goal. > > Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed to be discussed in > the workshop. > The things that should not be missed and anything special that can be done > economically and easily to motive people. > > The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still flexible) > > We can support: > 1. Hall for workshop. > 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due to the crowd) > 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) > 4. Other supports are still to come.... > > Hoping to get some support, > > Best Regards, > > Tushar. > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 10:09:21 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:54:21 +0545 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ya, We will also have something for that. Basically we will conduct an "Only For Advanced User" day program at the end of the workshop. This day we will have less crowd and more dedicated Linux users. Tushar. On 11/07/2008, Ahsan wrote: > > Tushar, > > One question -- > > Will there be any presentation about working on FEDORA... and the like... > or is the workshop mainly focused on raising awareness among people ? > > Please let me know asap. > > Thanks and have a nice time :) > > > -- > Md. Ahsanur Rashid, > > Undergraduate Student, > Level-4, Term-1, > Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), > Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), > Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. > Tel - (+88) 01715621323 > > Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ > > 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : > >> Dear Abhishek, >> >> gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your recommended videos. >> >> I have the following plan: >> >> 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day >> 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show >> 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical >> >> 4. 1 Hr of Launch >> 5. 20 Min Tea Break >> 6. 40 Min Break >> >> The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end at 6:00 in the >> evening. >> >> And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it is feasible >> please also come by with some presentations. I will appreciate that. And can >> we call someone from neighboring countries too. >> >> Wishes, >> >> Tushar >> >> Abhishek Singh wrote: >> >> Dear Tushar, >> So as I guess, you are organising an orientation programme cum >> workshop that will make the target audience aware of GNU/Linux and FOSS, and >> provide them a brief insight of how to use them, isn't it? >> Can you send a brief detail of how are you structuring the >> programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 audience doesn't seem feasible; how >> can you manage them with just 30 volunteers. You need to prepare a lot. >> Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of the marketing >> slides of Fedora which you can find at .... I'll also suggest you to use >> some of the RedHat Videos like "Truth Happens", >> "We are here " etc. You can >> include some materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer to IOSN FOSS >> Primer for more >> such materials), "How can FOSS help to create secure and low cost ICT >> infrastructures?" (refer to the RedHat's Cost Cutter Videofor reference). You can also include a Install Fest, which will enable your >> target audience to get Linux (preferably Fedora) installed on their >> PC/Laptop. Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good option, but >> the number of audience is a great barrier here. >> >> Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to help you more. >> Keep in touch. >> >> Regards, >> Abhishek Singh >> >> >> Tushar Neupaney wrote: >> >> Dear ambassadors, >> >> I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, this is a medical >> university and I hope that at least a 1000 people will attend. >> >> To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and utilize it to motive >> many to use Linux is my prime goal. >> >> Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed to be discussed in >> the workshop. >> The things that should not be missed and anything special that can be done >> economically and easily to motive people. >> >> The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still flexible) >> >> We can support: >> 1. Hall for workshop. >> 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due to the crowd) >> 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) >> 4. Other supports are still to come.... >> >> Hoping to get some support, >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Tushar. >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 11:38:35 2008 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Ahsan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:38:35 +0600 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d06cc40807110438i6eedafm9f915d6527bf0c8f@mail.gmail.com> Tushar, So u basically mean that there will be a day for programmers who want to contribute in way of projects or softwares to the FEDORA project ??? Also, please let me know the details of the workshop. Thanks and have a nice time :) -- Md. Ahsanur Rashid, Undergraduate Student, Level-4, Term-1, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. Tel - (+88) 01715621323 Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : > Ya, > > We will also have something for that. > Basically we will conduct an "Only For Advanced User" day program at the > end of the workshop. > > This day we will have less crowd and more dedicated Linux users. > > Tushar. > > > On 11/07/2008, Ahsan wrote: >> >> Tushar, >> >> One question -- >> >> Will there be any presentation about working on FEDORA... and the like... >> or is the workshop mainly focused on raising awareness among people ? >> >> Please let me know asap. >> >> Thanks and have a nice time :) >> >> >> -- >> Md. Ahsanur Rashid, >> >> Undergraduate Student, >> Level-4, Term-1, >> Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), >> Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), >> Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. >> Tel - (+88) 01715621323 >> >> Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ >> >> 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : >> >>> Dear Abhishek, >>> >>> gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your recommended videos. >>> >>> I have the following plan: >>> >>> 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day >>> 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show >>> 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical >>> >>> 4. 1 Hr of Launch >>> 5. 20 Min Tea Break >>> 6. 40 Min Break >>> >>> The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end at 6:00 in the >>> evening. >>> >>> And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it is feasible >>> please also come by with some presentations. I will appreciate that. And can >>> we call someone from neighboring countries too. >>> >>> Wishes, >>> >>> Tushar >>> >>> Abhishek Singh wrote: >>> >>> Dear Tushar, >>> So as I guess, you are organising an orientation programme cum >>> workshop that will make the target audience aware of GNU/Linux and FOSS, and >>> provide them a brief insight of how to use them, isn't it? >>> Can you send a brief detail of how are you structuring the >>> programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 audience doesn't seem feasible; how >>> can you manage them with just 30 volunteers. You need to prepare a lot. >>> Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of the marketing >>> slides of Fedora which you can find at .... I'll also suggest you to use >>> some of the RedHat Videos like "Truth Happens", >>> "We are here " etc. You can >>> include some materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer to IOSN FOSS >>> Primer for more >>> such materials), "How can FOSS help to create secure and low cost ICT >>> infrastructures?" (refer to the RedHat's Cost Cutter Videofor reference). You can also include a Install Fest, which will enable your >>> target audience to get Linux (preferably Fedora) installed on their >>> PC/Laptop. Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good option, but >>> the number of audience is a great barrier here. >>> >>> Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to help you more. >>> Keep in touch. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Abhishek Singh >>> >>> >>> Tushar Neupaney wrote: >>> >>> Dear ambassadors, >>> >>> I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, this is a medical >>> university and I hope that at least a 1000 people will attend. >>> >>> To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and utilize it to motive >>> many to use Linux is my prime goal. >>> >>> Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed to be discussed in >>> the workshop. >>> The things that should not be missed and anything special that can be >>> done economically and easily to motive people. >>> >>> The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still flexible) >>> >>> We can support: >>> 1. Hall for workshop. >>> 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due to the crowd) >>> 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) >>> 4. Other supports are still to come.... >>> >>> Hoping to get some support, >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Tushar. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 12:08:03 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:53:03 +0545 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: <49d06cc40807110438i6eedafm9f915d6527bf0c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110438i6eedafm9f915d6527bf0c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48774D23.7020405@gmail.com> Dear Ahsan, If possible I would like to develop a common ground for SAARC Linux Geeks. Your suggestions are extremely valuable for that. I mean you can be clear what you would like in the workshop. Our proposed plan includes the following (But it is still under massive development): 1. Video Shows (Documentary Movies, Shows) 2. Presentations (Slides/Lectures) - By special delegates 3. Training about tuXlab, Linux Console Commands and Simple Networking 4. Using Linux Applications like R-Gui, Gnu Plot, Open Office, Firefox, F-Spot, VLC, Installing through Wine, Amarok, IRC, Desktop Effects, Translating Linux applications (This will basically for Beginners and Medical Professionals) 5. Advanced Users Only program (This is due to high demands of Advanced Users) 6. Initialization for establishment of Linux Developer Circle (A Circle exists in pieces here, What should be done is yet to be decided) Your Suggestions needed! ------------- Ahsan wrote: > Tushar, > > So u basically mean that there will be a day for programmers who want > to contribute in way of projects or softwares to the FEDORA project ??? > > Also, please let me know the details of the workshop. > > Thanks and have a nice time :) > -- > Md. Ahsanur Rashid, > > Undergraduate Student, > Level-4, Term-1, > Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), > Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), > Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. > Tel - (+88) 01715621323 > > Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ > > 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney >: > > Ya, > > We will also have something for that. > Basically we will conduct an "Only For Advanced User" day program > at the end of the workshop. > > This day we will have less crowd and more dedicated Linux users. > > Tushar. > > > On 11/07/2008, *Ahsan* > wrote: > > Tushar, > > One question -- > > Will there be any presentation about working on FEDORA... and > the like... or is the workshop mainly focused on raising > awareness among people ? > > Please let me know asap. > > Thanks and have a nice time :) > > > -- > Md. Ahsanur Rashid, > > Undergraduate Student, > Level-4, Term-1, > Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), > Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), > Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. > Tel - (+88) 01715621323 > > Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ > > 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney >: > > Dear Abhishek, > > gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your > recommended videos. > > I have the following plan: > > 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day > 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show > 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical > > 4. 1 Hr of Launch > 5. 20 Min Tea Break > 6. 40 Min Break > > The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end > at 6:00 in the evening. > > And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it > is feasible please also come by with some presentations. I > will appreciate that. And can we call someone from > neighboring countries too. > > Wishes, > > Tushar > > Abhishek Singh wrote: >> Dear Tushar, >> So as I guess, you are organising an orientation >> programme cum workshop that will make the target audience >> aware of GNU/Linux and FOSS, and provide them a brief >> insight of how to use them, isn't it? >> Can you send a brief detail of how are you >> structuring the programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 >> audience doesn't seem feasible; how can you manage them >> with just 30 volunteers. You need to prepare a lot. >> Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of >> the marketing slides of Fedora which you can find at .... >> I'll also suggest you to use some of the RedHat Videos >> like "Truth Happens >> ", "We are here >> " etc. You can >> include some materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer >> to IOSN FOSS Primer >> >> for more such materials), "How can FOSS help to create >> secure and low cost ICT infrastructures?" (refer to the >> RedHat's Cost Cutter Video >> >> for reference). You can also include a Install Fest, >> which will enable your target audience to get Linux >> (preferably Fedora) installed on their PC/Laptop. >> Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good >> option, but the number of audience is a great barrier here. >> >> Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to >> help you more. Keep in touch. >> >> Regards, >> Abhishek Singh >> >> >> Tushar Neupaney wrote: >>> Dear ambassadors, >>> >>> I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, >>> this is a medical university and I hope that at least a >>> 1000 people will attend. >>> >>> To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and >>> utilize it to motive many to use Linux is my prime goal. >>> >>> Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed >>> to be discussed in the workshop. >>> The things that should not be missed and anything >>> special that can be done economically and easily to >>> motive people. >>> >>> The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still >>> flexible) >>> >>> We can support: >>> 1. Hall for workshop. >>> 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due >>> to the crowd) >>> 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) >>> 4. 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URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 12:32:06 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:32:06 +0200 Subject: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth In-Reply-To: <48446.VwBUX1dRCno=.1215763854.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <4875DDC2.8080302@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300807101224l1cef4643m9dd0f4a4051eb013@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300807101229n3adfeab9kb532c3372150037@mail.gmail.com> <48446.VwBUX1dRCno=.1215763854.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300807110532td969e8ar8a0b65a254ca4b08@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >>> Will we see plymouth in Fedora 10 or is it too early? >>> >> Ok, I found it: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup >> > Jeremy Katz spoke about it on his live journal: > http://katzj.livejournal.com/432195.html > > He also provided a screencast here: > http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html > > Looks really nice :) Whoow, it looks fabulous! Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 16:47:04 2008 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Ahsan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:47:04 +0600 Subject: Workshop about Linux in Dharan, Nepal -- Help! wanted In-Reply-To: <48774D23.7020405@gmail.com> References: <487604F5.5020206@fedoraproject.org> <4876F575.6090209@gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110303p5d2e4cdcq8d45b03710b91afe@mail.gmail.com> <49d06cc40807110438i6eedafm9f915d6527bf0c8f@mail.gmail.com> <48774D23.7020405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d06cc40807110947w194a8ccbi74aca79454797bbe@mail.gmail.com> Dear Tushar, Thanks a lot for the information. You might want to include some hands-on workshop on how to get started on coding for fedora project. Thanks and have a nice time. -- Md. Ahsanur Rashid, Undergraduate Student, Level-4, Term-1, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. Tel - (+88) 01715621323 Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : > Dear Ahsan, > > If possible I would like to develop a common ground for SAARC Linux Geeks. > Your suggestions are extremely valuable for that. I mean you can be clear > what you would like in the workshop. > > Our proposed plan includes the following (But it is still under massive > development): > > 1. Video Shows (Documentary Movies, Shows) > > 2. Presentations (Slides/Lectures) - By special delegates > > 3. Training about tuXlab, Linux Console Commands and Simple Networking > > 4. Using Linux Applications like R-Gui, Gnu Plot, Open Office, Firefox, > F-Spot, VLC, Installing through Wine, Amarok, IRC, Desktop Effects, > Translating Linux applications (This will basically for Beginners and > Medical Professionals) > > 5. Advanced Users Only program (This is due to high demands of Advanced > Users) > > 6. Initialization for establishment of Linux Developer Circle (A Circle > exists in pieces here, What should be done is yet to be decided) > Your Suggestions needed! > > ------------- > > > > Ahsan wrote: > > Tushar, > > So u basically mean that there will be a day for programmers who want to > contribute in way of projects or softwares to the FEDORA project ??? > > Also, please let me know the details of the workshop. > > Thanks and have a nice time :) > -- > Md. Ahsanur Rashid, > > Undergraduate Student, > Level-4, Term-1, > Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), > Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), > Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. > Tel - (+88) 01715621323 > > Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ > > 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : > >> Ya, >> >> We will also have something for that. >> Basically we will conduct an "Only For Advanced User" day program at the >> end of the workshop. >> >> This day we will have less crowd and more dedicated Linux users. >> >> Tushar. >> >> On 11/07/2008, Ahsan wrote: >>> >>> Tushar, >>> >>> One question -- >>> >>> Will there be any presentation about working on FEDORA... and the >>> like... or is the workshop mainly focused on raising awareness among people >>> ? >>> >>> Please let me know asap. >>> >>> Thanks and have a nice time :) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Md. Ahsanur Rashid, >>> >>> Undergraduate Student, >>> Level-4, Term-1, >>> Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), >>> Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), >>> Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. >>> Tel - (+88) 01715621323 >>> >>> Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ >>> >>> 2008/7/11 Tushar Neupaney : >>> >>>> Dear Abhishek, >>>> >>>> gr8 mail from your side. I have downloaded all your recommended videos. >>>> >>>> I have the following plan: >>>> >>>> 1. 2 Hrs of Presentation each day >>>> 2. 2 Hrs of Video/Documentary Show >>>> 3. 2 Hrs of Hands on Practical >>>> >>>> 4. 1 Hr of Launch >>>> 5. 20 Min Tea Break >>>> 6. 40 Min Break >>>> >>>> The program will start at 10:00 A.M in the morning and end at 6:00 in >>>> the evening. >>>> >>>> And It would be great if you could join us. I hope if it is feasible >>>> please also come by with some presentations. I will appreciate that. And can >>>> we call someone from neighboring countries too. >>>> >>>> Wishes, >>>> >>>> Tushar >>>> Abhishek Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Tushar, >>>> So as I guess, you are organising an orientation programme cum >>>> workshop that will make the target audience aware of GNU/Linux and FOSS, and >>>> provide them a brief insight of how to use them, isn't it? >>>> Can you send a brief detail of how are you structuring the >>>> programme? Meanwhile the target of 1000 audience doesn't seem feasible; how >>>> can you manage them with just 30 volunteers. You need to prepare a lot. >>>> Well, regarding the contents, you can use some of the marketing >>>> slides of Fedora which you can find at .... I'll also suggest you to use >>>> some of the RedHat Videos like "Truth Happens", >>>> "We are here " etc. You can >>>> include some materials like "FOSS for Education" (refer to IOSN FOSS >>>> Primer for more >>>> such materials), "How can FOSS help to create secure and low cost ICT >>>> infrastructures?" (refer to the RedHat's Cost Cutter Videofor reference). You can also include a Install Fest, which will enable your >>>> target audience to get Linux (preferably Fedora) installed on their >>>> PC/Laptop. Moreover, providing Live CDs would have been a good option, but >>>> the number of audience is a great barrier here. >>>> >>>> Well after 27th July, I'll be free and would be able to help you more. >>>> Keep in touch. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Abhishek Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> Tushar Neupaney wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear ambassadors, >>>> >>>> I am conducting a three day workshop in BPKIHS, Dharan, this is a >>>> medical university and I hope that at least a 1000 people will attend. >>>> >>>> To make this opportunity an event of a lifetime and utilize it to motive >>>> many to use Linux is my prime goal. >>>> >>>> Can anyone contribute to the materials that are needed to be discussed >>>> in the workshop. >>>> The things that should not be missed and anything special that can be >>>> done economically and easily to motive people. >>>> >>>> The tentative date of starting is August 20. (Date still flexible) >>>> >>>> We can support: >>>> 1. Hall for workshop. >>>> 2. Some computers (Not all can get one! limitation due to the crowd) >>>> 3. We also have a small set of volunteers (Count: 30) >>>> 4. Other supports are still to come.... >>>> >>>> Hoping to get some support, >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Tushar. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 13 18:22:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:52:41 +0530 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 Message-ID: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 "For many, their first experience with Fedora leaves them in awe of the incredible artwork. This is an important part of Fedora's reputation, so if your a fan of Fedora art, you should definitely check out what the art team has come up with." Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 08:22:02 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:22:02 +0300 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 > Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit more taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, horrible set of themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even just weird ("fedora core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth in the saying "there is no sich thing as bad publicity" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 08:33:48 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:33:48 +0800 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> I am not an artist or graphic designer etc, but i still think that FC10 should have a more shinny and clean theme...just my 2cts. Best Regards, Jason ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 >> > > Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit > more taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, > horrible set of themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even > just weird ("fedora core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth > in the saying "there is no sich thing as bad publicity" > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 12:57:03 2008 From: silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:57:03 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: I hope none of these themes is approved for release of Fedora 10. agh! They hurt my eyes! 2008/7/14 Nicu Buculei : > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> >> http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 >> >> > Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit more > taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, horrible set of > themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even just weird ("fedora > core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth in the saying "there is no > sich thing as bad publicity" > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 13:28:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:28:46 +0300 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <487B548E.4070705@nicubunu.ro> S?lvio Reis wrote: > I hope none of these themes is approved for release of Fedora 10. agh! > They hurt my eyes! Sivio, you are expected with your better theme proposal on the Fdora Art list - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Or at least with some concrete feed-back... honestly, "they hurt my eyes" is completely useless for us. And consider the selection of images in the linked blog article was the poster's choice, there are a lot more images in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#List_of_Submissions -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 14 13:34:52 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:34:52 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> Hy all, my first idea was also "we live in 2008 and not 19xx .... " but thats another thing ;-) But I also has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! This is the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We have a one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: - collect all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them together - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make some Artwork - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or meetings... - other ideas... So, any comments on my ideas? sincerly Henrik Heigl // wonderer @ fedoraproject.org // Jason Benedict Low schrieb: > I am not an artist or graphic designer etc, but i still think that > FC10 should have a more shinny and clean theme...just my 2cts. > > Best Regards, > Jason > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > > > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> >>> http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 >>> >> >> Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit >> more taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, >> horrible set of themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even >> just weird ("fedora core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth >> in the saying "there is no sich thing as bad publicity" >> From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 13:36:44 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Patrik_=C8evela?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:44 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <93d75cf40807140636k17beb93djdd08198b2fd34df0@mail.gmail.com> I think they are beautifull... Patrik Cevela 2008/7/14, S?lvio Reis : > > I hope none of these themes is approved for release of Fedora 10. agh! They > hurt my eyes! > > > 2008/7/14 Nicu Buculei : > >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 >>> >>> >> Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit more >> taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, horrible set of >> themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even just weird ("fedora >> core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth in the saying "there is no >> sich thing as bad publicity" >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > S?lvio Reis > > http://www.projectofedora.org/ > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 13:52:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:52:47 +0300 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> Message-ID: <487B5A2F.1090701@nicubunu.ro> wonderer wrote: > > my first idea was also "we live in 2008 and not 19xx .... " but thats > another thing ;-) Care to elaborate a bit around that? > But I also has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! > This is the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We > have a one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... Or we can restart the counter, change the project name, whatever... remember how RHL morphed into Fedora when it was to hit the magic number. > So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: > - collect all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them together There was a work-in-progress about that: http://molaora.com/index.php?photos/album/8/photo/39.html but as you can see, it was about published Artwork, not unpublished (as there may be a reason why some graphics were not published). > - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make some > Artwork I think that would be a major blow to the Art Team, like lack of confidence in their/our skills. > - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or meetings... Such photos do not make for a good wallpaper on which one would stare all day long. And we need an assortment of additional graphics (banners, splashes) to match. > - other ideas... > > So, any comments on my ideas? How about talking about that on the Art list? Not all of us are subscribed here. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 15:05:05 2008 From: silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:05:05 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B548E.4070705@nicubunu.ro> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B548E.4070705@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: I apologise if I expressed in the wrong way. I do not want to underestimate the work of the Art team, on the contrary, the wallpapers are very nice but I think the colors are to strong for everyday use, understand? I liked very much the artwork of Fedora 6 and love the current theme. 2008/7/14 Nicu Buculei : > > S?lvio Reis wrote: > >> I hope none of these themes is approved for release of Fedora 10. agh! >> They hurt my eyes! >> > > Sivio, you are expected with your better theme proposal on the Fdora Art > list - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Or at least with some concrete feed-back... honestly, "they hurt my eyes" > is completely useless for us. > > And consider the selection of images in the linked blog article was the > poster's choice, there are a lot more images in the wiki: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#List_of_Submissions > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you say something like "the image X from the proposal Y has a nice concept but the colors are to vivid for an effective wallpaper, please try a less saturated version" on the Art list, where the author can read your complaint, then it is a completely different game (and he are happy to receive such comments). > I liked very much the artwork of Fedora 6 and love the current theme. I believe you understand all those proposals are "round 1" material, they are supposed to change a lot until the final release (and only a few will survive to round 2). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 15:32:40 2008 From: silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:32:40 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B6E36.6060104@nicubunu.ro> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B548E.4070705@nicubunu.ro> <487B6E36.6060104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: ok! I understand the message. Again i'm sorry for my words. 2008/7/14 Nicu Buculei : > S?lvio Reis wrote: > >> I apologise if I expressed in the wrong way. >> I do not want to underestimate the work of the Art team, on the contrary, >> the wallpapers are very nice but I think the colors are to strong for >> everyday use, understand? >> > > I understand (and I also understand that some of the current proposals are > not that good) but saying this on the marketing list is really of little > use. > If you say something like "the image X from the proposal Y has a nice > concept but the colors are to vivid for an effective wallpaper, please try a > less saturated version" on the Art list, where the author can read your > complaint, then it is a completely different game (and he are happy to > receive such comments). > > I liked very much the artwork of Fedora 6 and love the current theme. >> > > I believe you understand all those proposals are "round 1" material, they > are supposed to change a lot until the final release (and only a few will > survive to round 2). > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 14 15:40:23 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:40:23 +0200 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B5A2F.1090701@nicubunu.ro> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> <487B5A2F.1090701@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <487B7367.4060306@gmx.de> Hy, >> >> my first idea was also "we live in 2008 and not 19xx .... " but thats >> another thing ;-) > > Care to elaborate a bit around that? Ok. We are here on the Marketing list. If I think of Marketing I have ONE great picture, One theme, one of the main Wallpapers, one Logo brand, one main-Theme i can use for a Campain. E.G.: see sony ( http://www.gearfuse.com/sony-to-unleash-magical-mystery-product-on-monday/ ). I think with a good Artwork there can be also a good Marketing around that. See BSD with a small Comic, music, Poster, etc. around a new Release. If I saw the Artwork I think it looks very good, but the fedora Logo seems often only be pasted in a ready made Wallpaper or background someone have fond elsewhere on the Internet. How about a Slogan to the "10th Anniversery" or so? How about to put in the Keywords we have or work the pics around these words? Nicu, you mentioned in another Link I followed: http://molaora.com/index.php/photos/album/6/photo/3.html i see in this picture an Apple Add or maybe the Ubuntu-Style. This are all Campains that are out now. Maybe there are other ideas around that ... just my 10Cents... > >> But I also has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! >> This is the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We >> have a one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... > > Or we can restart the counter, change the project name, whatever... > remember how RHL morphed into Fedora when it was to hit the magic number. Yeah, but that was also a major structure change. I think Fedora has "only" a major Release ;-) > >> So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: >> - collect all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them >> together > > There was a work-in-progress about that: > http://molaora.com/index.php?photos/album/8/photo/39.html but as you > can see, it was about published Artwork, not unpublished (as there may > be a reason why some graphics were not published). ... so I thought. I think every Artwork-Designer has some scribbles and unfinished work collected over the years ;-) ... maybe it is time to get these out of the box :-) > >> - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make >> some Artwork > > I think that would be a major blow to the Art Team, like lack of > confidence in their/our skills. I wrote that on the artwork list so far. I don't want to annoy anybody! I only thought of to have some people like maybe Doc Baumann, Linus Torwalds, Mark Shuttleworth, etc. to make some scribbles or so and the Artteam can work something out. maybe FC10 can have 12 Wallpapers or Themes or so. > >> - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or >> meetings... > > Such photos do not make for a good wallpaper on which one would stare > all day long. And we need an assortment of additional graphics > (banners, splashes) to match. That can be all fit together. I see no problem in that to have one or two realistic Photo-Wallpapers or so in the set... > >> - other ideas... >> >> So, any comments on my ideas? > > How about talking about that on the Art list? Not all of us are > subscribed here. > I have done this yet, thanks. But this can also be a Marketing Topic. It all fits maybe together... best regards Henrik Heigl // wonderer at fedoraproject.org // From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 15:55:40 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:55:40 -0800 Subject: Fedora-powered tools on new Phoenix BIOS hypervisor In-Reply-To: <1215907666.5412.15.camel@victoria> References: <1215907666.5412.15.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910807140855n4dc3817cgee8d09f6ed2ef0ae@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/12 Paul W. Frields : > http://www.betanews.com/article/Phoenix_BIOS_with_hypervisor_to_premiere_Monday_in_NEC_laptops/1215815330 > > "Shauli Chaudhuri, vice president of marketing at Phoenix Technologies, > told BetaNews this week that NEC will be among the first PC > manufacturers to use its HyperSpace technology. > ... > In a meeting with BetaNews on Thursday at this week's Digital Life press > preview, the VP said that the HyperSpace platform allows software tools > to run on Fedora Linux firmware, even though Windows is installed on the > same system." Uhm... there has been a correction..and "on Fedora linux firmware" has been stricken and replaced with "in a secure firmware environment" -jef From shadyss at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 22:21:45 2008 From: shadyss at hotmail.com (shady saliby) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:21:45 +0000 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487B0F6C.3050202@gmail.com> <487B55FC.2030804@gmx.de> Message-ID: I agree on that , Fedore release now have two digit and i guess to should be planned well to make an impact for normal and expert users from a View and Imaging side as for fedora proved it is an excellent Kernel and Distribution, so it should have a new look that says Fedora is ready for a totally new decade. > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:34:52 +0200> From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de> To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10> > Hy all,> > my first idea was also "we live in 2008 and not 19xx .... " but thats > another thing ;-)> But I also has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! > This is the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We > have a one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward...> > So just some thoughts/ideas we could have:> - collect all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them together> - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make some > Artwork> - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or meetings...> - other ideas...> > So, any comments on my ideas?> > > sincerly> Henrik Heigl> > // wonderer @ fedoraproject.org //> > Jason Benedict Low schrieb:> > I am not an artist or graphic designer etc, but i still think that > > FC10 should have a more shinny and clean theme...just my 2cts.> >> > Best Regards,> > Jason> > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------> > > >> >> > Nicu Buculei wrote:> >> Rahul Sundaram wrote:> >>>> >>> http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10> >>>> >>> >> Quite negative the comments there ("hopefully someone will have a bit > >> more taste and not accept any of these..." or "What a horrible, > >> horrible set of themes. My eyes hurt just looking at them. ") or even > >> just weird ("fedora core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth > >> in the saying "there is no sich thing as bad publicity"> >>> > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, what is you idea sandro? we are all friends here, aren't we? 2008/7/15 Sandro red Mathys : > > > S?lvio Reis wrote: > >> I hope none of these themes is approved for release of Fedora 10. agh! >> They hurt my eyes! >> > > Maybe you should go see an eye specialist, then. > > I like most of all those themes and I'm happy that it's not my job to > choose the ultimate one - I just couldn't, this time. Thanks to the art team > - you're doing a great job. > > oh, for those artists who'd like to hear more opinions over their theme > (from people outside the art list): blog about your theme on the planet and > you'll sure get some opinions. Always worked for mizmo... > > Regards > red > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also the katana is nice cause it shows fedora is BLEEDING edge ;) But the current pics are a bit to detailed / to many contrasts, i think for a background it should be just more understatement. regards Peter From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 15 17:04:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487C6E95.1030101@reuschlein.de> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487C6E95.1030101@reuschlein.de> Message-ID: <487CD8B3.60302@fedoraproject.org> Peter Reuschlein wrote: > But the current pics are a bit to detailed / to many contrasts, i think > for a background it should be just more understatement. There is a lot of artwork that goes into a theme besides the background wallpaper. I know for the artwork I did for neon, I meant the artwork to give an overall feel for the idea I was going for, and not to be straight examples of wallpaper backgrounds. In parts of the artwork that are not the background wallpaper, sometimes high-contrast is okay. Remember that for round 1 the sketches are just that, sketches, to give you an idea of the concept and are *not* a final, perfectly rendered finished product. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 17:58:39 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:58:39 -0800 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <487CD8B3.60302@fedoraproject.org> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487C6E95.1030101@reuschlein.de> <487CD8B3.60302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910807151058o7d726140w13e2656566bca41d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Remember that for round 1 the sketches are just that, sketches, to give you > an idea of the concept and are *not* a final, perfectly rendered finished > product. release early.... release often. -jef From mackay3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 18:33:51 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:33:51 -0600 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807151058o7d726140w13e2656566bca41d@mail.gmail.com> References: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> <487B0CAA.4000101@nicubunu.ro> <487C6E95.1030101@reuschlein.de> <487CD8B3.60302@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807151058o7d726140w13e2656566bca41d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00807151133g2b645711sc0e8266d443345bb@mail.gmail.com> Dudes, remember that we are talking about just ideas and concepts, none of the art shown is a final runner for our next wallpaper. 2008/7/15 Jeff Spaleta : > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy > wrote: > > Remember that for round 1 the sketches are just that, sketches, to give > you > > an idea of the concept and are *not* a final, perfectly rendered finished > > product. > > release early.... release often. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From euniraugusto at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:46:12 2008 From: euniraugusto at gmail.com (Eunir Augusto) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:46:12 -0300 Subject: Supreme Court in Brazil is beggining to look to Open Source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <337531360807160446l4b0dafc2i97d4b63e1dec0741@mail.gmail.com> good news!!! excelent!!! great job!!! 2008/7/16 Teseu : > I've been invited to a new created committee which has for its first > task this, eliminate M$Office form IT area for OpenOffice.org. This is > the first, we have to study all the licences to find open source > replacements, in all areas, DB's, servers, I see in the future > desktops. All functionalities should be maintained to aviod resistance > (it's a very tradicional house, culture set in stone). We switched a > server, with version control to a Fedora with SubVersion. This is the > start, I hope the end is far, far away. > > Teseu > > http://teseu.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/o-primeiro-passo-para-um-mundo-maior/ > (in pt-BR, sorry, use some online translator) > > -- > "...don't underestimate the power of the dark side..." > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:26:50 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:26:50 +0200 Subject: how to make others understand Fedora Project? Message-ID: <64b14b300807160626x3b451b79n60fd119193ed6f2f@mail.gmail.com> I saw that there is a lot of missunderstanding of fedora and it's goals. It saw that this has been talked about a lot in Fedora Board meetings. But how to go practically and explain to other fedora and non-fedora users this. As an example look at this thread I started: http://linuxoutlaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=593&start=30&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I would ask other fedora users to please give a hand in explaining some of misconceptions. Also please be very critical of me and if you have any suggestions of what I should have or shouldn't have said please tell me, also please suggest to me and others how to carry in such conversations. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:21:21 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0200 Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg Message-ID: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I listened to Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk fron an ogg I downloaded [1] from "Fedora TV" Miro channel [2]. The audio is really hard to listen because it is recorded far from the speaker (my conclusion) so I can hear Paul barely. To hear him well I need to turn on the volume really high but then my eardrums almost exploded when I heard first applause because that is much, much, much lauder! To fix that is trivial and here is how I did it. 1. I opened the ogg in audacity 2. selected the whole track 3. under Effect I choose "Leveller" and applied to on the "Hardest" setting. 4. listened to the output 5. again applied "Leveller" with hardest setting 6. exported the audio. Please listen and compare my version [3] with one on Miro site. if you can connect me with people uploading audio I can give them tips like this on how to enhance audio for better quality. Cheers, Valent. [1] http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fudconf10paulfrields.ogg [2] https://miroguide.com/channels/6891 [3] http://valent.fedorapeople.org/fudconf10paulfrields-4.ogg -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jul 16 15:23:47 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I listened to Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk fron an ogg I downloaded > [1] from "Fedora TV" Miro channel [2]. > The audio is really hard to listen because it is recorded far from the > speaker (my conclusion) so I can hear Paul barely. To hear him well I > need to turn on the volume really high but then my eardrums almost > exploded when I heard first applause because that is much, much, much > lauder! > > To fix that is trivial and here is how I did it. > > 1. I opened the ogg in audacity > 2. selected the whole track > 3. under Effect I choose "Leveller" and applied to on the "Hardest" setting. > 4. listened to the output > 5. again applied "Leveller" with hardest setting > 6. exported the audio. > > Please listen and compare my version [3] with one on Miro site. Brilliant. JonRob: do we have a mechanism for swapping out videos when someone makes beneficial edits like this? --g From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:52:47 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:52:47 -0600 Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I listened to Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk fron an ogg I downloaded > [1] from "Fedora TV" Miro channel [2]. > The audio is really hard to listen because it is recorded far from the > speaker (my conclusion) so I can hear Paul barely. To hear him well I > need to turn on the volume really high but then my eardrums almost > exploded when I heard first applause because that is much, much, much > lauder! > > To fix that is trivial and here is how I did it. > > 1. I opened the ogg in audacity > 2. selected the whole track > 3. under Effect I choose "Leveller" and applied to on the "Hardest" setting. > 4. listened to the output > 5. again applied "Leveller" with hardest setting > 6. exported the audio. > > Please listen and compare my version [3] with one on Miro site. > > if you can connect me with people uploading audio I can give them tips > like this on how to enhance audio for better quality. > > Cheers, > Valent. > > [1] http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fudconf10paulfrields.ogg > [2] https://miroguide.com/channels/6891 > [3] http://valent.fedorapeople.org/fudconf10paulfrields-4.ogg > Valent, Cool! I didn't take the time to do this because I wanted to get it out quickly, but I am glad the improvements were made. I have put up some others on my fedorapeople[1] page. Maybe I should finish the ones for seneca college and others. Cheers, Clint 1 - http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fudcon-olpc-final.ogg From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:54:32 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:54:32 -0600 Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Valent, > > Cool! > > I didn't take the time to do this because I wanted to get it out > quickly, but I am glad the improvements were made. I have put up some > others on my fedorapeople[1] page. Maybe I should finish the ones for > seneca college and others. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > 1 - http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fudcon-olpc-final.ogg > I should also mention that I am in the process of purchasing a new recording device. I've tested it with Fedora and it records at least with Audacity and ices (streaming client) so I suspect it'll work with others. Its called the Zoom H4 and has much better quality recording, plus it can record from up to 3 different sources and mixes them for you. Cheers, Clint From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 16 15:53:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:23:52 +0530 Subject: how to make others understand Fedora Project? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807160626x3b451b79n60fd119193ed6f2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807160626x3b451b79n60fd119193ed6f2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E1990.5060402@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > I saw that there is a lot of missunderstanding of fedora and it's > goals. It saw that this has been talked about a lot in Fedora Board > meetings. But how to go practically and explain to other fedora and > non-fedora users this. > > As an example look at this thread I started: > http://linuxoutlaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=593&start=30&st=0&sk=t&sd=a This isn't just a matter of perception though that plays a big part. The fundamental issue here seems to be quality including making the right decisions initially as well as continue to be regression free as much as possible post release. Looking at Fedora 9, there is a cost to bringing in new technologies (Xorg 7.4, KDE 4 etc). KDE 4 has increasingly got bad press and that is going to rub off on Fedora 9 quite a bit. We aren't going to convert Fedora into a very conservative distribution suddenly but the situation can be improved. Post-release we have had atleast one major screwup of breaking encrypted wireless in a kernel security update. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-kernel-list/2008-July/msg00017.html While we have changed the policies to adopt, every release has a few of these. I am hoping Red Hat focuses on getting automated tests running for beaker on a daily basis for all the updates we ever push out including for rawhide http://fedorahosted.org/beaker Meanwhile there are other manual QA activities including test cases and bug triaging which can help quite a bit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Test_Cases http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers I am trying to see if we can fix our response time to be better via http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/CollectiveMaintenance Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 16:22:23 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:22:23 -0800 Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807160922l2e9b9581ra64b233b3b67bb54@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > To fix that is trivial and here is how I did it. > Please listen and compare my version [3] with one on Miro site. > if you can connect me with people uploading audio I can give them tips > like this on how to enhance audio for better quality. > > Cheers, > Valent. You just validated what we are trying to do here by having everything openly licensed and publicly available. If we can ever get hosting space, I'd really like to see people collaborating to edit and process material so we can scale a process around interest and experience. I want a process where we don't expect individuals at events who can record video and audio to be able to do all of their own editting or processing. They just have to record raw material that's good enough to work with. Then they can upload it, so our community experts in editing polish it up. But we can't really build that sort of process without a hosting commitment of some sort. We'll get there, but not for F10. Maybe F11. Let's concentrate for F10 on showing that as a content channel is worthwhile and then for F11 we can figure out how to build a collaborative virtual production studio around it. -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 16 16:29:31 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:29:31 +0100 Subject: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300807160821t6bdbc67awad9b808e9f20fb0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807160929p5016af3ak4536a5e725ec5348@mail.gmail.com> > Brilliant. + 1 - Great work :) This is exactly the kind of thing we can do to improve the situation you referenced in your other e-mail: create content and work together to a) make it as good as possible, and b) make it as easy to access as possible. > > JonRob: do we have a mechanism for swapping out videos when someone makes > beneficial edits like this? Heh, well I've just edited the feed so that it points to Valent's version for the link and enclosure, while keeping the guid the same so that it doesn't get re-downloaded by people who've already got it. Hope this works, let me know if there are any problems with it. Best, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 16 17:36:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:06:08 +0530 Subject: #1 Supercomputer in the World Runs Fedora Message-ID: <487E3188.2030703@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://osnews.com/story/20054/_1_Supercomputer_in_the_World_Runs_Fedora Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/1_Supercomputer_in_the_World_Runs_Fedora Rahul From linux.charged at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 18:41:07 2008 From: linux.charged at gmail.com (Junior Tomazelli) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:41:07 -0300 Subject: Supreme Court in Brazil is beggining to look to Open Source In-Reply-To: <337531360807160446l4b0dafc2i97d4b63e1dec0741@mail.gmail.com> References: <337531360807160446l4b0dafc2i97d4b63e1dec0741@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good Work. :D -- Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Embaixador do Fedora Designer e Consultor de TI E-mail : linux.charged at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 05:00:23 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:00:23 -0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> Okay, I have the ear of a certain Dr. Gregory B. Newby concerning the use of Fedora and scientific computing. Dr. Newby is currently the Chief Scientist at the Arctic Region Supercomputing Center here at UAF which is how I found him and why I'm most interested in talking to him. ARSC makes heavy use of Fedora as a platform and I think we should spent time talking with an expert in the field of scientific research computing about how we can better match Fedora and this community for overall social benefit and better science. It's nice that we know that the biggest, baddest computer in the world uses Fedora. But there's a deeper conversation that needs to be had about turning this sub-community of users into an organized sub-community of active contributors within the Fedora tent. Everyone here should take a moment and read his bio: http://people.arsc.edu/~newby/bio.txt It's a fascinating read, and there's more... much more....there to think about talking to him about from the Fedora project perspective. Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to compile a list of questions taken from the community to ask him and them I'm going to hold a somewhat longish video and chop it up into segments based on general subject matter. But how do i compile that list of questions? I'd prefer a list to be somewhat rank ordered so I make sure I ask him some of the most popular questions. Though I plan to reserve the right to things not highly rated as well. Suggestions on how to compile the list of questions and get it somewhat ordered by popularity? Obviously this is very much like how slashdot does its Q/A threads using slashdot karma to vote for questions...but we don't have that. Is there something else floating around out there that I can setup and drive people to? I'm asking in marketing because once we figure out how to do it, we can run other interviews with other experts in other areas using the same mechanism... so its in this group's best interest in helping me setup a process we can re-use. -jef From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 05:07:12 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:37:12 +0530 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Okay, I have the ear of a certain Dr. Gregory B. Newby concerning the > use of Fedora and scientific computing. yay !! > Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to compile a list of questions > taken from the community to ask him and them I'm going to hold a > somewhat longish video and chop it up into segments based on general > subject matter. But how do i compile that list of questions? I'd > prefer a list to be somewhat rank ordered so I make sure I ask him > some of the most popular questions. Though I plan to reserve the > right to things not highly rated as well. How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up choosing Fedora ?' -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jul 17 05:14:12 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Okay, I have the ear of a certain Dr. Gregory B. Newby concerning the > use of Fedora and scientific computing. > ... > Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to compile a list of questions > taken from the community to ask him... What should we do to make Fedora more Newby-friendly? --g From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 05:23:15 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:23:15 -0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807162223u2ff7a913i5ce961715b409ffa@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, "Sankarshan (????????)" wrote: > How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of > internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up > choosing Fedora ?' Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 05:24:58 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > What should we do to make Fedora more Newby-friendly? Damn you... now I can't actually start the interview off with that. You have KILLED my introduction. To make up for that, I demand that you help me figure out how to take in community questions and rank them in a way that makes sense. -jef From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jul 17 06:03:06 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> What should we do to make Fedora more Newby-friendly? > > Damn you... now I can't actually start the interview off with that. > You have KILLED my introduction. > > To make up for that, I demand that you help me figure out how to take > in community questions and rank them in a way that makes sense. Use Digg. Everyone says "you should use a Digg-style interface." What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a Digg account anyway. --g From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 06:37:34 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:37:34 -0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807162337h2874f2abl44c470497e83719@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Everyone says "you should use a Digg-style interface." > > What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a > Digg account anyway. What if I told you that I don't have a digg account? Would you think less of me? So basically have everyone post a different potential question at a different url somewhere on the net that other people have to randomly discover it and then digg them. Sure okay...but Digg doesn't support tagging does it? I can keyword search, but does that really let me reach into digg and make sure I collect all the questions? And Digg specifically states that if the "article" doesn't fit one of the pre-defined topics..it shouldn't be submitted. I think its a stretch to use digg for this. -jef From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jul 17 06:54:42 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162337h2874f2abl44c470497e83719@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162337h2874f2abl44c470497e83719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > And Digg specifically states that if the "article" doesn't fit one of > the pre-defined topics..it shouldn't be submitted. I think its a > stretch to use digg for this. Maybe it's quick and dirty, but no question it would mostly work. If people actually care enough to ask questions and vote on those questions, which is by no means guaranteed. You could consider setting up a Pligg instance, of course. If you want a tool to solicit comments and vote them up/down, there are accepted open source solutions. The question: do we have the desire/bandwidth to implement them? Will there be enough instances of this type of problem to warrant the investment of time in solving the general case? --g From pingou at pingoured.fr Thu Jul 17 07:29:05 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:29:05 +0200 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162337h2874f2abl44c470497e83719@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162337h2874f2abl44c470497e83719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487EF4C1.7070504@pingoured.fr> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> Everyone says "you should use a Digg-style interface." >> >> What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a >> Digg account anyway. > > What if I told you that I don't have a digg account? Would you think > less of me? Would that be possible to use the Fedora vote system ? I could see a list of question where people have to rate from 0 to X... Just my 2 cents, Pierre From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 17 08:24:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:35 +0100 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162223u2ff7a913i5ce961715b409ffa@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> <604aa7910807162223u2ff7a913i5ce961715b409ffa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0807170124m67a8c266g48d29c592cd2f2dc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/17 Jeff Spaleta : > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, "Sankarshan (????????)" > wrote: >> How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of >> internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up >> choosing Fedora ?' > > Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to > compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. Jef, My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better end-product. In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some flow from question to question is, I think, important. I am also not that keen on sites like Digg etc, as I believe they can lead to a "lowest common denominator" situation, something you definitely don't want for an interesting interview! Best, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jul 17 08:49:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:49:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Use Digg. > > Everyone says "you should use a Digg-style interface." > > What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should > have a Digg account anyway. +1 /runs From sharuzzaman at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 09:12:31 2008 From: sharuzzaman at gmail.com (Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:12:31 +0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <295041390807170212r4a47fb4m2678b77d639dc0b5@mail.gmail.com> I believe the Slashdot way is to solicit as much question as possible from the community, and then rank it up so that only questions that are relevant and strings of question can flow nicely. Nearly identical question can be tweaked and merged to become a single question. Other unrelated question may be stored in some kind of question bank, and used again next time if we want to interview other people (eg. Formula One system engineer) On 7/17/08, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Okay, I have the ear of a certain Dr. Gregory B. Newby concerning the > use of Fedora and scientific computing. > Dr. Newby is currently the Chief Scientist at the Arctic Region > Supercomputing Center here at UAF which is how I found him and why I'm > most interested in talking to him. > ARSC makes heavy use of Fedora as a platform and I think we should > spent time talking with an expert in the field of scientific research > computing about how we can better match Fedora and this community > for overall social benefit and better science. It's nice that we know > that the biggest, baddest computer in the world uses Fedora. But > there's a deeper conversation that needs to be had about turning this > sub-community of users into an organized sub-community of active > contributors within the Fedora tent. > > Everyone here should take a moment and read his bio: > http://people.arsc.edu/~newby/bio.txt > It's a fascinating read, and there's more... much more....there to > think about talking to him about from the Fedora project perspective. > > Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to compile a list of questions > taken from the community to ask him and them I'm going to hold a > somewhat longish video and chop it up into segments based on general > subject matter. But how do i compile that list of questions? I'd > prefer a list to be somewhat rank ordered so I make sure I ask him > some of the most popular questions. Though I plan to reserve the > right to things not highly rated as well. > > Suggestions on how to compile the list of questions and get it > somewhat ordered by popularity? Obviously this is very much like how > slashdot does its Q/A threads using slashdot karma to vote for > questions...but we don't have that. Is there something else floating > around out there that I can setup and drive people to? I'm asking in > marketing because once we figure out how to do it, we can run other > interviews with other experts in other areas using the same > mechanism... so its in this group's best interest in helping me setup > a process we can re-use. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 17 09:14:34 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:14:34 +0300 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487F0D7A.4070104@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > >> Use Digg. >> >> Everyone says "you should use a Digg-style interface." >> >> What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should >> have a Digg account anyway. > > +1 > > /runs Methinks that there should be number of FOSS packages replicating the Digg functionality (Google tells me about something called "Pligg"), so installing such an application and linking it to the FAS would be a sure way to be sure "every one in Fedora" has an account :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 17 10:13:13 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:43:13 +0530 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <487F0D7A.4070104@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162224w2a478a87x5ad33fd8c889be63@mail.gmail.com> <487F0D7A.4070104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <487F1B39.9030602@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Methinks that there should be number of FOSS packages replicating the > Digg functionality (Google tells me about something called "Pligg"), so > installing such an application and linking it to the FAS would be a sure > way to be sure "every one in Fedora" has an account :p Drupal also has a module. http://drupal.org/project/drigg. Sample site is http://www.fsdaily.com/ Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 11:44:18 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:44:18 +0000 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807170124m67a8c266g48d29c592cd2f2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> <604aa7910807162223u2ff7a913i5ce961715b409ffa@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807170124m67a8c266g48d29c592cd2f2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216295058.17040.9.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:24 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/7/17 Jeff Spaleta : > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, "Sankarshan (????????)" > > wrote: > >> How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of > >> internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up > >> choosing Fedora ?' > > > > Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to > > compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. > > Jef, > > My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on > what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line > with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra > layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better > end-product. > > In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in > their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them > in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and > also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some > flow from question to question is, I think, important. > > I am also not that keen on sites like Digg etc, as I believe they can > lead to a "lowest common denominator" situation, something you > definitely don't want for an interesting interview! Hear, hear. At some point, the process overwhelms the actual goal, and you spend more time on the process than actually accomplishing anything. If something occurs to you during the interview, do you plan to put the interview on hold, come back to the community for more processing, and then return to the interview subject? I'd hope not. Write a list of questions with topics that make sense to you. Turn that into a conversation if it helps elicit interesting information. I assume that if you ask questions and get answers once, the door will not be shut on you forevermore at that point. ("You have had your three wishes, no begone!") -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 07-17-marketing-meeting.log URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 00:03:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:03:20 +0000 Subject: I/F/V out, 4 Fedora Foundations in! Message-ID: <1216339400.31853.34.camel@victoria> In today's Marketing meeting[1], we talked about the mixed message between "infinity / freedom / voice" (let's call it "IFV") and the newer four foundations, "friends / freedom / features / first." The IFV was, and remains, a great message. It's how we got our logo. It helped us solidify our ideas about Fedora, and out if it came the design. Then it helped us sell the design. Now the logo, and our "brand," if you will, seems pretty pervasive. We don't have to work hard to identify Fedora with its logo. But the new four foundations, which we developed earlier this year, need to firmly take their place as our new, consistent message. One of the things that would help would be some new poster artwork that would explain the 4 foundations the way that Mo Duffy's posters exaplained IFV. We might be able to just adapt the existing posters, because they are simple, eye-catching, and right to the point. We'd just alter the text a little. Or someone might have an idea for a new design, that would still complement our Web design. I'm going to put this request in the Artwork queue. Does anyone have specific ideas about other collateral that we want for Fedora 10? = = = [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00141.html -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And, I'm going to push this again... I feel that we should hold off on changing too many images and things to have the Four Foundations until the F10 release. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 18 05:58:31 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:58:31 +0300 Subject: I/F/V out, 4 Fedora Foundations in! In-Reply-To: <1216339400.31853.34.camel@victoria> References: <1216339400.31853.34.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <48803107.6010904@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > One of the things that would help would be some new poster artwork that > would explain the 4 foundations the way that Mo Duffy's posters > exaplained IFV. We might be able to just adapt the existing posters, > because they are simple, eye-catching, and right to the point. We'd > just alter the text a little. > > Or someone might have an idea for a new design, that would still > complement our Web design. I'm going to put this request in the Artwork > queue. Does anyone have specific ideas about other collateral that we > want for Fedora 10? While the current posters seems to be really effective, I think we may want to try a different angle, like emphasizing the "people" part of Fedora, you know, maybe borrowing a bit from the "I am Fedora" video [1]. I understand it may me not easy to create such posters and we may have logistic problems, but I think it is a good angle. [1] - http://mihmo.livejournal.com/57168.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 05:50:37 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:35:37 +0545 Subject: Workshop in Dharan for Linux Help Wanted! Message-ID: <1216360237.7857.10.camel@tushar-laptop> ?Dear Friends, As you all might know, we here at Dharan are planning for a workshop on Linux. We would also like to keep some programming sessions and much more. Things are yet to be finalized. But we would like your inputs. Please view our site and comment. www.workshopdharan.wordpress.com (Website) http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Training_on_FOSS_ at _BPKIHS (Wiki at FOSS-Nepal) Please comment and help us build the pillars for tomorrow. Tushar From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 17:33:49 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:33:49 -0800 Subject: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview. In-Reply-To: <507738ef0807170124m67a8c266g48d29c592cd2f2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807162159w2f2892fdo4bdabf9d553458bb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807162200k68868f18n198f7d66974b7c2e@mail.gmail.com> <487ED380.10504@gmail.com> <604aa7910807162223u2ff7a913i5ce961715b409ffa@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0807170124m67a8c266g48d29c592cd2f2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807181033y16c985cesd4a20fc9bfe489aa@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on > what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line > with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra > layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better > end-product. > > In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in > their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them > in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and > also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some > flow from question to question is, I think, important. I defer to your expertise and experience. I'll probably just ask for questions on my blog and sift through them. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 19 01:39:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:09:46 +0530 Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns Message-ID: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> Hi This paves the way for Zimbra to be packaged for Fedora. Good to see Yahoo responding to the concerns expressed earlier. http://www.zimbra.com/forums/announcements/19581-license-5-0-7-foss.html "Just wanted to provide a heads up that, in collaboration with legal counsel for the Fedora Community and Red Hat, we have made a minor tweak to the Yahoo! Public License (YPL), Version 1.0. ... Our colleagues in the Fedora community were concerned that the old version of 6.2 did not give licensees enough certainty that they could keep exercising their license, even if they followed its requirements. We thought this change was a reasonable request, and we were very pleased that we were able to respond to the Fedora community in the way they asked. Many thanks to our Fedora friends for their input" Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Sat Jul 19 16:29:32 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:29:32 +0200 Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns In-Reply-To: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> References: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > This paves the way for Zimbra to be packaged for Fedora. Good to see > Yahoo responding to the concerns expressed earlier. > > http://www.zimbra.com/forums/announcements/19581-license-5-0-7-foss.html > > "Just wanted to provide a heads up that, in collaboration with legal > counsel for the Fedora Community and Red Hat, we have made a minor tweak > to the Yahoo! Public License (YPL), Version 1.0. > > ... > > Our colleagues in the Fedora community were concerned that the old > version of 6.2 did not give licensees enough certainty that they could > keep exercising their license, even if they followed its requirements. > We thought this change was a reasonable request, and we were very > pleased that we were able to respond to the Fedora community in the way > they asked. Many thanks to our Fedora friends for their input" > Amazing! Hell yeah! This is awesome, and as far as I was involved, a direct result from talking to Zimbra on the Red Hat Summit, where we showed them the exact same paragraph. Thanks to Karsten Wade as well! -Jeroen From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 19 18:27:23 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:27:23 +0100 Subject: Marketing Plan - Time Based Message-ID: <507738ef0807191127g5f9e6af9v7a233609b0eebf76@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, What do you think of making the marketing plan time based, and task focused? There should certainly be room for people to pick up and run with issues and ideas when they arise, but I think this could be more useful to our little group than the current marketing plan's form... It's rough and I've left out some of the generic info because the current plan covers that very well. I've tried to pick parts of Fedora and give them marketing "focus" for appropriate times in the release. Would love some feedback. According to my approach we're just about to come into the middle section of tasks I've dreamed up: --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- In terms of a release cycle: 1st and 2nd month: ------------------------------- Gathering reviews from previous release - wiki Highlighting the positive comments - RHM (for now) + own blogs Answering the negative (where applicable) - forums, news sites, blog posts Highlight freedom, features and first when answering negative Push for new contributors Need to review join page. A generic process for all SIGS/Teams might be useful FUDCon Video, contributor stories, hackfest info, talk recordings, plans for what's to come! Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) 3rd and 4th month: ---------------------------------- LinuxTag/FISL Talk about interaction with other projects, more contributor stories, videos etc Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) Stories about Fedora infrastructure - how great a community to contribute through - RHM, need to co-ordinate interviews and editorial content Should probably try and get an article in some publications about this aspect of Fedora. Working with upstream - blogs, Transifex would be a good highlight here Re-spins - RHM, own blogs, editorial content + interviews Contacting editors/writers to start pointing out work going on with beta and where they can find out more info on key features Need to co-ordinate with RH - have a single point of contact (press at fedoraproject.org?), think it's important to try and work through community here (but then that's my opinion!), this was a slight problem in previous release when RH and I both contacted some magazines about similar topics. Arrange for external interviews - podcasts etc - with developers and contributors Need a list of podcasts and other online media. Need a list of contributors willing to be interviewed! 5th and 6th month: ---------------------------------------- FUDCon Talk about interaction with other projects, more contributor stories, videos etc Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) Interviews with developers Wiki and RHM for now. Need to know upcoming features to start this Kick ass pretty feature summary Wiki for text, need websites and art for look Home page countdown Art team New banner Art team FREEDOM & FIRST Need editorial content - RHM and own blogs. Leader interviews Exactly as last time - these worked very *well* Running parallel: -------------------------------------- I'd like to try and get news.fp.o running for F10 release. Totally dependent on others, and totally understand it's a huge amount of work! Need decent video editing software Need decent recording equipment at events. Need to tie in better with fedoraforum.org - Rahul etc ----------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Yeah, I know this is something of a mess, but some of it makes sense to me and I hope to you too! Jon From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 05:13:25 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:13:25 -0700 Subject: Linus uses Fedora 9 Message-ID: <7a0d56080807192213l5097017etb9405aa14f394955@mail.gmail.com> I'm relatively new to the marketing part of this, so I don't know if this is common knowledge in the digital world. If it isn't, I don't know if this has any marketing value to it, but those who are more experienced may know what to do with this. Here is an interview with Linus Torvalds on July 18: http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/linus-torvalds,-geek-of-the-week/ And in it, he answers the following question: RM 'Which Linux distro do you use? ' LT: 'I've used different distributions over the years. Right now I happen to use Fedora 9 on most of the computers I have, which really boils down to the fact that Fedora had fairly good support for PowerPC back when I used that, so I grew used to it. But I actually don't care too much about the distribution, as long as it makes it easy to install and keep reasonably up-to-date. I care about the kernel and a few programs, and the set of programs I really care about is actually fairly small. [Funny, I use Fedora primarily for the same reason -- PowerPC support :-) ] Larry Cafiero http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero From invite+zphchv6f at facebookmail.com Mon Jul 21 10:16:39 2008 From: invite+zphchv6f at facebookmail.com (Naresh Kumar) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:16:39 -0700 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile Message-ID: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Naresh Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=639188707&k=ZVCTP2S2WYVM5A1AYD2XY4&r&v=2 ___________________ This e-mail may contain promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?u=1341864489&k=e285fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 10:23:57 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:23:57 +0200 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile In-Reply-To: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> References: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200807211224.03797.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Montag, 21. Juli 2008 12:16:39 schrieb Naresh Kumar: > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events > and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to > join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. > Thanks, > Naresh > Here's the link: > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=639188707&k=ZVCTP2S2WYVM5A1AYD2XY4&r&v=2 Accident? ;) -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Once again ? o_O I don't know those online apps at all, but is it that hard to tell them not to send an invitation message to all your contacts ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 10:26:09 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:56:09 +0530 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile In-Reply-To: <200807211224.03797.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> <200807211224.03797.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200807211556.09488.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Monday 21 July 2008 03:53:57 pm JoergSimon wrote: > Am Montag, 21. Juli 2008 12:16:39 schrieb Naresh Kumar: > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > > events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you > > need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own > > profile. Thanks, > > Naresh > > Here's the link: > > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=639188707&k=ZVCTP2S2WYVM5A1AYD2XY4&r&v=2 > > Accident? ;) No, that is called spamming :p Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From kn.naresh at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 11:04:28 2008 From: kn.naresh at gmail.com (Naresh KN) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:28 +0530 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile In-Reply-To: <200807211556.09488.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> <200807211224.03797.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <200807211556.09488.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d9e71570807210404m26c9fff5u370f55eb8a9ce1e4@mail.gmail.com> I am sorry, not sure how this happened, just now I noticed this. My bad!! I am so very sorry!! On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Monday 21 July 2008 03:53:57 pm JoergSimon wrote: > > Am Montag, 21. Juli 2008 12:16:39 schrieb Naresh Kumar: > > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > > > events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you > > > need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own > > > profile. Thanks, > > > Naresh > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=639188707&k=ZVCTP2S2WYVM5A1AYD2XY4&r&v=2 > > > > Accident? ;) > No, that is called spamming :p > > Kushal > -- > Fedora Ambassador, India > http://kushaldas.in > http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:33:22 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:33:22 +0200 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? Message-ID: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their Asus eees? [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From cmpahar at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:49:19 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:49:19 +0300 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). > > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their > Asus eees? > > [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ > [1b ] > http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora > [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile > > Cheers, > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Hello, I can help and contribute with pleasure. The only problem is that I don't have an eeepc to work and test. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 14:55:08 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:55:08 +0300 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4884A34C.8020508@nicubunu.ro> Valent Turkovic wrote: > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). > > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their > Asus eees? My guess is that more people are interested running the "normal" distro on that machine (for one, I would be), so maybe probably a better effort would be to make Fedora proper work out of the box. Also, the "eeedora way" may not be the "best way", on Fedora people are encouraged to work upstream (here upstream would be Fedora). How about having it as one of the Fedora spins? On another point, there are a lot of other machines out there (currently at least from MSI and Acer) with about the same hardware, it is correct to label them as "Eee"? (note: I prospect the buy of such machine myself, one not made by Asus, only if they would sell around here something *not* pink and my intention is to run the full desktop distro on the thing). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:56:21 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:26:21 +1930 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I think I can contribute also. Here at my office my boss buy a eeepc; but have to ask if he can let me borrow his PC. I'll tell you what about.. have a meeting with him right now :D 2008/7/22 Christos Bacharakis : > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Valent Turkovic < > valent.turkovic at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by >> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it >> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). >> >> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a >> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a >> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using >> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their >> Asus eees? >> >> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ >> [1b ] >> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora >> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile >> >> Cheers, >> Valent. >> >> -- >> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ >> linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless >> registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. >> ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > Hello, I can help and contribute with pleasure. The only problem is that I > don't have an eeepc to work and test. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 15:03:31 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of creating a new distribution. Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From himam at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 15:12:45 2008 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:12:45 +0300 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570807210404m26c9fff5u370f55eb8a9ce1e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1bb47e0f9d825bafc9bad20b918113fb@localhost.localdomain> <200807211224.03797.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <200807211556.09488.kushaldas@gmail.com> <3d9e71570807210404m26c9fff5u370f55eb8a9ce1e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0807210812r76fea8ddu8974b048e106ab38@mail.gmail.com> Never mind Naresh, "accidents" like that can happen ^_^ t.c. hisham.isam aka *himam ^_^* On 7/21/08, Naresh KN wrote: > > I am sorry, not sure how this happened, just now I noticed this. My bad!! > > I am so very sorry!! > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > >> On Monday 21 July 2008 03:53:57 pm JoergSimon wrote: >> > Am Montag, 21. Juli 2008 12:16:39 schrieb Naresh Kumar: >> > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and >> > > events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you >> > > need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own >> > > profile. Thanks, >> > > Naresh >> > > Here's the link: >> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=639188707&k=ZVCTP2S2WYVM5A1AYD2XY4&r&v=2 >> > >> > Accident? ;) >> >> No, that is called spamming :p >> >> Kushal >> -- >> Fedora Ambassador, India >> http://kushaldas.in >> http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 15:22:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:22:54 +0300 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of > creating a new distribution. > > Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about the wallpaper size? In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701). However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch this summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of 1024x600px. We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to include only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized vor various aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should be 1024x600 (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is better in such cases to scale down than to scale up). It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is not the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect ratio)? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 15:36:47 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:36:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <10853.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216654607.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about > the wallpaper size? > > In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop > wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701). > > However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch > this summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of > 1024x600px. > We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to > include only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized > vor various aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should > be 1024x600 (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is > better in such cases to scale down than to scale up). > > It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is > not the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect > ratio)? > I've always wondered why we don't use SVG wallpapers... Is it too much resources consuming to redraw the wallpaper ? On the other hand, those tiny-ultra-mini-extra-small-portable are not racing horses, and they are more (at least to me) some kind of super electronic note-books (I'm speaking about a real paper note-book, not about a laptop). So maybe they don't need the animated wallpaper and a static version could be provided. Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs / updates would not download the whole big almighty package... ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:01:48 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:01:48 -0600 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). > > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their > Asus eees? > > [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ > [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora > [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about finished. Things are working almost perfectly. I have it working as a LiveCD right now. Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks Cheers, Clint From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 16:02:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:02:06 +0300 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <10853.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216654607.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> <10853.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216654607.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <4884B2FE.3070104@nicubunu.ro> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > I've always wondered why we don't use SVG wallpapers... Is it too much > resources consuming to redraw the wallpaper ? The first problem is that sometime we make use of advanced features in SVG which are not rendered properly by Nautilus. And yes, for complex images the resource consumption *is* a problem. > On the other hand, those tiny-ultra-mini-extra-small-portable are not > racing horses, and they are more (at least to me) some kind of super > electronic note-books (I'm speaking about a real paper note-book, not > about a laptop). So maybe they don't need the animated wallpaper and a > static version could be provided. I am not the expert to talk about that (and probably this is not the right place, most likely the desktop or devel list) but I think the animation is not a problem. > Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the > same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't > want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs / > updates would not download the whole big almighty package... Sometime the space on media is a problem (think about the LiveCD) and even the space on your hdd may be a problem (think at first gen Eee PC 701, with 2-4GB of storage). And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small resolution version of the default wallpaper). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 21 16:17:48 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:17:48 -0700 Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns In-Reply-To: <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> References: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1216657068.12676.336.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 18:29 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > This is awesome, and as far as I was involved, a direct result from > talking to Zimbra on the Red Hat Summit, where we showed them the exact > same paragraph. > > Thanks to Karsten Wade as well! Many thanks as well to other fine Fedorans @redhat.com, Jennifer Venable and Richard Fontana, who made clear the Fedora objections to the YPL. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 21 16:53:37 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <4884B2FE.3070104@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> <10853.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216654607.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884B2FE.3070104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <23795.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216659217.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the >> same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't >> want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs >> / >> updates would not download the whole big almighty package... > > Sometime the space on media is a problem (think about the LiveCD) and > even the space on your hdd may be a problem (think at first gen Eee PC > 701, with 2-4GB of storage). > > And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our > identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I > understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small > resolution version of the default wallpaper). > That's exactly why I was suggesting to split the current package, so that each spin could have its own wallpaper. And on the DVD, I don't think we are currently running out of space... ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 02:24:02 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:24:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns In-Reply-To: <1216657068.12676.336.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> <1216657068.12676.336.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 18:29 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > > This is awesome, and as far as I was involved, a direct result from > > talking to Zimbra on the Red Hat Summit, where we showed them the exact > > same paragraph. > > > > Thanks to Karsten Wade as well! > > Many thanks as well to other fine Fedorans @redhat.com, Jennifer Venable > and Richard Fontana, who made clear the Fedora objections to the YPL. > This is a pretty bug deal really, is there anything we're doing to help them out? I know they're doing the right thing but a lot of its been at our request AFAIK, extending the favor would be a good thing. -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 22 02:37:11 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:11 +0530 Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns In-Reply-To: References: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> <1216657068.12676.336.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <488547D7.6000400@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > This is a pretty bug deal really, is there anything we're doing to help > them out? I know they're doing the right thing but a lot of its been at > our request AFAIK, extending the favor would be a good thing. I don't know if this would be considered a favor but someone from Fedora India team is working on packaging Zimbra for Fedora/helping Zimbra upstream with packaging. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-isv-sig-list/2008-July/msg00000.html If you have other ideas, let us know. Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jul 22 03:22:10 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cirgon Fedora HTPC In-Reply-To: <1216080972.20300.53.camel@victoria> References: <1216080972.20300.53.camel@victoria> Message-ID: See, this is the kind of thing I was talking about when I was talking about "success stories". JonRob is a one man army, but it would be *awesome* to have more than just Jon as a storyteller/reporter. Who could get in touch with these folks at Cirgon and ask some leading questions? --g On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2008/07/14/cirgon-will-ship-a-fedora-linux-htpc-encore-media-server/ > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 22 06:27:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:27:36 +0300 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <23795.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216659217.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> <10853.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216654607.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884B2FE.3070104@nicubunu.ro> <23795.VwABDVdRC3c=.1216659217.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <48857DD8.4000402@nicubunu.ro> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our >> identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I >> understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small >> resolution version of the default wallpaper). >> > That's exactly why I was suggesting to split the current package, so that > each spin could have its own wallpaper. And on the DVD, I don't think we > are currently running out of space... Then maybe someone should fill a bug against that package, I doubt the desktop guys read this list. Or talk on the spins SIG about which defaults are acceptable to be changed in a spin. As for CD versus DVD, I have the feeling that lately we promote more and more the "Desktop" Live CD (where we have a number of package which deserve to be included but not enough space for them). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Jul 22 06:38:12 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:38:12 +0200 Subject: Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns In-Reply-To: References: <488145E2.6080609@fedoraproject.org> <4882166C.9080202@kanarip.com> <1216657068.12676.336.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48858054.1070202@kanarip.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > >> On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 18:29 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> >>> This is awesome, and as far as I was involved, a direct result from >>> talking to Zimbra on the Red Hat Summit, where we showed them the exact >>> same paragraph. >>> >>> Thanks to Karsten Wade as well! >> Many thanks as well to other fine Fedorans @redhat.com, Jennifer Venable >> and Richard Fontana, who made clear the Fedora objections to the YPL. >> > > This is a pretty bug deal really, is there anything we're doing to help > them out? I know they're doing the right thing but a lot of its been at > our request AFAIK, extending the favor would be a good thing. > The ISV SIG has started the initiative to package Zimbra for Fedora, and I'm making it my personal vendetta to get it into EPEL as well. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 08:28:24 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:28:24 +0200 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807210756x33fe9797vbc8d91491dc05b34@mail.gmail.com> <51079.VwBUX1dRCno=.1216652611.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4884A9CE.9040702@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <64b14b300807220128v4899923cl41e0d3b55cc770aa@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> >> As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of >> creating a new distribution. >> >> Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc > > Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about the > wallpaper size? > > In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop > wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701). > > However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch this > summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of 1024x600px. > We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to include > only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized vor various > aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should be 1024x600 > (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is better in such > cases to scale down than to scale up). > > It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is not > the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect ratio)? > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Because of the price point eee 701 won't go "out of style" that fast. Newer machines a more expensive and as they come the price for "original" eee (701) will go even more down. So I guess that more and more people will have eee 701. So please keep that in mind. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 08:34:54 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:34:54 +0200 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300807220134l40161f65ia7728983acec4aea@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> Hi, >> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by >> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it >> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). >> >> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a >> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a >> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using >> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their >> Asus eees? >> >> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ >> [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora >> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile >> > > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about > finished. Things are working almost perfectly. > > I have it working as a LiveCD right now. > > Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I see that you put gnome as the default, but for a such a small laptop and with limited resources (600Mhz with 512MB RAM) it makes sense to atleast put some alternative there, I would even go so far to install gnome but not make it defalt but something that uses less resources. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 11:48:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:48:38 -0400 Subject: Cirgon Fedora HTPC In-Reply-To: References: <1216080972.20300.53.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1216727318.3601.36.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 23:22 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > See, this is the kind of thing I was talking about when I was talking > about "success stories". > > JonRob is a one man army, but it would be *awesome* to have more than just > Jon as a storyteller/reporter. Who could get in touch with these folks at > Cirgon and ask some leading questions? > > --g > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2008/07/14/cirgon-will-ship-a-fedora-linux-htpc-encore-media-server/ I also put an interview questions document up on our wiki. It would be a good reference for someone looking to conduct this interview. It's a little commercially oriented but could easily be adapted to our uses. I would recommend that people who are putting interview questions together *cough* *cough* Jef Spaleta *cough* could transfer the material to the wiki or somewhere else that's more easily group editable. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Press_and_Public_Relations -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From jramakrishna89 at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 07:30:12 2008 From: jramakrishna89 at gmail.com (Ramakrishna anand) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:00:12 +0530 Subject: J.RamakrishnaAnand Message-ID: Interested in ---Fedora Marketing Project--- J.Ramakrishna Anand, Thanjavur,TamilNadu,India *Profession:* Student SASTRA University,Kumbakonam,TamilNadu,India *My Goals in the Feodra Project:* ** 1) To Spread the power of OpenSource and Fedora to wider public. 2) To distribute fedora to all Students & People and helping them to use Fedora with innovation 3) To Provide free OpenSource Developer tools to all Students and Developers and making them to innovate their ideas into development. 4) Marketing Fedora to Business people and helping them to deploy Fedora in their business environment to run their business smoothly (24x7) [By explaining about Fedora Security and Powerful Networking]. Fedora is powerful and free Operating System, it helps business organizations to cut their IT Costs considerably. My team has planned to promote Fedora to all business and schools in our local region and helping them to use it by explaining them about the security issues and other advantages on using fedora. *My current tasks for Promoting Fedora:* 1) We are designing website for Fedora, which will be useful for Feodra beginners,Users and Business Organizations. 2) I am going to start an OpenSource Club in my University along with my friends inorder to promote Fedora by conducting meetings and workshops on Fedora for Students. *Projects and Marketing Efforts so for...* ** Along with my friends I am runninga small Software company [ExproInvent], we have developed several custom software for Windows Users, Now our team moved to OpenSource, We have planned to develop Custom Software and other innovative solutions for Fedora Operating System. I have good marketing skills, so far I have marketed my team products to our Customers. Our Software team is also RedHat Ready Business Partner and Microsoft Registered Partner. I have also promoted Ubuntu in my local region. *My Fedora Marketing Plan:* 1) To prepare a Fedora Brochure and going to distribute it to local businesses and Students by explaining advantages of using Fedora for Business and Developers. 2) To develop custom applications on Fedora. 3) To provide free user support for Fedora users. *My other Skills:* 1) Speaking on public meeting, Conducting Seminars,etc... 2) Creating Presentation slides based on Marketing basis... 3) Developing Software... Linux DCOM Wiki : http://www.linuxdcom.exproinvent.com J.Ramakrishna Anand, jranand at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My team has planned to > promote Fedora to all business and schools in our local region and helping > them to use it by explaining them about the security issues and > other advantages on using fedora. > > *My current tasks for Promoting Fedora:* > > 1) We are designing website for Fedora, which will be useful > for Feodra beginners,Users and Business Organizations. > 2) I am going to start an OpenSource Club in my University along with my > friends inorder to promote Fedora by conducting meetings and workshops on > Fedora for Students. > > *Projects and Marketing Efforts so for...* > ** > Along with my friends I am runninga small Software company [ExproInvent], > we have developed several custom software for Windows Users, Now our team > moved to OpenSource, We have planned to develop Custom Software and other > innovative solutions for Fedora Operating System. > > I have good marketing skills, so far I have marketed my team products to > our Customers. Our Software team is also RedHat Ready Business Partner and > Microsoft Registered Partner. > I have also promoted Ubuntu in my local region. > > *My Fedora Marketing Plan:* > 1) To prepare a Fedora Brochure and going to distribute it to local > businesses and Students by explaining advantages of using Fedora for > Business and Developers. > 2) To develop custom applications on Fedora. > 3) To provide free user support for Fedora users. > > *My other Skills:* > 1) Speaking on public meeting, Conducting Seminars,etc... > 2) Creating Presentation slides based on Marketing basis... > 3) Developing Software... > > Linux DCOM Wiki : http://www.linuxdcom.exproinvent.com > > J.Ramakrishna Anand, > jranand at fedoraproject.org > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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This is me: http://sergiopr.fedorapeople.org/docs/p1000943.jpg and this is the poster (in Spanish): http://sergiopr.fedorapeople.org/docs/fedora_poster_sea08.pdf The proceedings of the meeting will be published the next year, in the Highlights of Spanish Astrophysics series. Perhaps the proceeding could appear in ADS (http://adsabs.harvard.edu), the main site for astrophysical references. We colud get more impact presenting something in the ADASS meeting, but this is a begining. Regards, Sergio -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:31:39 +0000 Subject: Cirgon Fedora HTPC In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807231128t77598558t9339b61dc61a914e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1216080972.20300.53.camel@victoria> <1216727318.3601.36.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807231128t77598558t9339b61dc61a914e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216837899.11972.162.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 10:28 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/7/22 Paul W. Frields : > > I would recommend that people who are putting interview questions > > together *cough* *cough* Jef Spaleta *cough* could transfer the material > > to the wiki or somewhere else that's more easily group editable. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Press_and_Public_Relations > > I'm driving down to HAARP . I'll be trying to schedule a video > interview with Newby the first week of Aug. Excellent -- if you take a look at that link, there's a "starter" questionnaire that you can use for seeding the question pool you want to create. 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I vouched for him. --Max From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Jul 23 20:49:44 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:49:44 -0400 Subject: Requesting access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48879968.6070502@nd.edu> Thanks Max. - pascal Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/687 and speak on >> pcalarco's behalf for fwn posting? > > I vouched for him. > > --Max > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 23:48:51 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:18:51 +0530 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora Message-ID: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Interesting move from Intel. Let's hope they start contributing to Fedora more. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intel_s_Moblin_dumps_Ubuntu_in_favor_of_Fedora "Under the changes, the existing Ubuntu-based kernel is out and Fedora is in, along with a set of Gnome-compatible mobile components that updates Moblin's previous Gnome implementation. Dirk Hohndel, Intel's director of Linux and open-source strategy, told The Reg there was no falling out with Ubuntu, but the move to Fedora was a technical decision based on the desire to adopt RPM for package management." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 23:51:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:21:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora launches OLPC group Message-ID: <4887C40E.6060405@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2647 In an email today, Fedora?s Greg Dekoenigsberg said: ?The engineers at OLPC are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the world. They are basing their excellent work on Fedora. ?Their time is stretched perilously thin ? we in the Fedora community can therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success of the OLPC project.? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 23 23:56:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:26:46 +0530 Subject: Fedora Phones Home: Fedora Talk and Other Updates From the Community Message-ID: <4887C53E.8020302@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/07/23/fedora-phones-home-fedora-talk-and-other-updates-from-the-community/ "If you didn?t get to attend FUDCon last month, the community made several exciting announcements including the availability of Fedora Talk, the new Fedora telephony system. Based on the free VoIP project Asterisk, Fedora Talk allows Fedora contributors to use any standard VoIP hardware or software to sign into the Fedora system and make and receive calls to other Fedora contributors." "There are other possibilities to explore with Fedora Talk as well. What if, in the future, a Fedora volunteer could claim an hour of time to run a VoIP phone and answer user or contributor questions?" Covered also by: Fedora adds collaboration tools http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2725457510.html Developers Make a Good Call With Fedora Talk http://ostatic.com/169423-blog/developers-make-a-good-call-with-fedora-talk Fedora Talk launches http://lwn.net/Articles/291279/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 24 00:54:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:24:09 +0530 Subject: Video: Fedora Live Message-ID: <4887D2B1.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers can build the future with Fedora! http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/23/video-fedora-live/ "Paul Frields (Fedora Project Leader) sits down to discuss the Live USB feature debuted in Fedora 9 with developer Jeremy Katz. See a live demo of the persistent desktop, and find out how to get more involved in the next Fedora release." Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 02:16:35 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:16:35 -0800 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Interesting move from Intel. Let's hope they start contributing to Fedora > more. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ Is there any previous archived discussion anywhere....that talks about their plans with regard to actually interacting with Fedora in a "project" sense. If there goal really is to attract developers, they need to talk to us about aligning the development process of moblin with Fedora policies...or else the switch they are doing might not not give them a contributor boost. Isn't that one of the lesson learned from OLPC? Just forking the Fedora 'bits' isn't going to necessarily be the win in terms of contributor involvement. I think they need to seriously be looking at how to pull moblin development into the Fedora project. Who's at OSCON right now, who can talk to Dirk about this? Greg? -jef From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 03:39:38 2008 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:39:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora launches OLPC group In-Reply-To: <4887C40E.6060405@fedoraproject.org> References: <4887C40E.6060405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I am working in the OLPC Peru Project. In this moment Peru requiried one Activity "Strategy Game" similary to Caesar III (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/caesar3/index.html) , but with peruvian space (machu picchu, chavin, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_del_Per%C3%BA ). You help are very very important. Thank you ---Hernan Pachas 2008/7/23 Rahul Sundaram : > Hi > > http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2647 > > In an email today, Fedora's Greg Dekoenigsberg said: "The engineers at OLPC > are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the world. They > are basing their excellent work on Fedora. > > "Their time is stretched perilously thin ? we in the Fedora community can > therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success of the > OLPC project." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Hern?n Pachas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Jul 24 10:18:39 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:18:39 -0500 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <488856FF.3050005@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Hi, > > Interesting move from Intel. Let's hope they start contributing to > Fedora more. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ > > Digg It: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intel_s_Moblin_dumps_Ubuntu_in_favor_of_Fedora > > "Under the changes, the existing Ubuntu-based kernel is out and Fedora > is in, along with a set of Gnome-compatible mobile components that > updates Moblin's previous Gnome implementation. > > Dirk Hohndel, Intel's director of Linux and open-source strategy, told > The Reg there was no falling out with Ubuntu, but the move to Fedora > was a technical decision based on the desire to adopt RPM for package > management." > > Rahul > Interesting read indeed... I don't mean to flame, and I don't know all the technicallities involved, but I find it rather interesting they are presenting as one of the reasons to move towards a Fedora base the package format, which is interesting as I've gottent into way too many discussions about which package format is "better" (.deb or .rpm), and since I don't know any intrinsics about both formats I cannot say as such (I use RPMs and am comfortable with them, but I've also used DEBs and dpkg directly and they don't feel too much different at the barebones level)... At any rate, just like Jeff says, hopefully this will mean greater involvement from Intel in Fedora, and lining themselves with Fedora's policies. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 11:07:58 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:07:58 +0200 Subject: disturbed people... Message-ID: <64b14b300807240407y687bc113raaa167c7e32a5041@mail.gmail.com> http://www.promotinglinux.com/ There are some disturbed people out there :) Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 24 12:13:23 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:13:23 +0300 Subject: disturbed people... In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807240407y687bc113raaa167c7e32a5041@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807240407y687bc113raaa167c7e32a5041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488871E3.1070406@nicubunu.ro> Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://www.promotinglinux.com/ > There are some disturbed people out there :) You ruined my day Valent! Since I find that site hilarious I now have to read as much of it as I can... good bye productivity for today! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 12:18:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:18:04 +0000 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 18:16 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Interesting move from Intel. Let's hope they start contributing to Fedora > > more. > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ > > Is there any previous archived discussion anywhere....that talks about > their plans with regard to actually interacting with Fedora in a > "project" sense. If there goal really is to attract developers, they > need to talk to us about aligning the development process of moblin > with Fedora policies...or else the switch they are doing might not not > give them a contributor boost. Isn't that one of the lesson learned > from OLPC? Just forking the Fedora 'bits' isn't going to necessarily > be the win in terms of contributor involvement. I think they need to > seriously be looking at how to pull moblin development into the Fedora > project. > > Who's at OSCON right now, who can talk to Dirk about this? Greg? I already set Greg and Karsten on this earlier last night. Greg can summarize how that went and where we go from here, but I'm sure he made it plain to Intel/Moblin that there's an opportunity for them here. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See a live demo of > the persistent desktop, and find out how to get more involved in the next > Fedora release." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 15:19:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:19:35 -0400 Subject: Video: Fedora Live In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807240804p46d0a7a1x10f3c4c22201a9a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4887D2B1.8050302@fedoraproject.org> <27a6293b0807240804p46d0a7a1x10f3c4c22201a9a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216912775.5114.11.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 10:34 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ wrote: > I have translated... hope works :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hTb6YFJ1I Wow! This is incredibly cool! I did see one small *possible* error toward the end where I saw "ISP" instead of "ISV" but that may be a translation difference. In English, "ISV" is the acronym for "Independent Software Vendor." It may have been hard to discern that in the audio, so my bad! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 15:23:46 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:53:46 +1930 Subject: Video: Fedora Live In-Reply-To: <1216912775.5114.11.camel@victoria> References: <4887D2B1.8050302@fedoraproject.org> <27a6293b0807240804p46d0a7a1x10f3c4c22201a9a3@mail.gmail.com> <1216912775.5114.11.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <27a6293b0807240823gd2dcaa1rf9dd5c8cd4c9b653@mail.gmail.com> jajajajaj wel... I did my best... maybe I could get more practice if I do this frequently.. Thx you guys for make a so cool (and fun) clip. I also posted on my little blog so all my LatinAmerican friends could reach it. eof : > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 10:34 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ > wrote: > > I have translated... hope works :) > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hTb6YFJ1I > > Wow! This is incredibly cool! > > I did see one small *possible* error toward the end where I saw "ISP" > instead of "ISV" but that may be a translation difference. In English, > "ISV" is the acronym for "Independent Software Vendor." It may have > been hard to discern that in the audio, so my bad! > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 16:19:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:19:32 -0400 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:18 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 18:16 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Interesting move from Intel. Let's hope they start contributing to Fedora > > > more. > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ > > > > Is there any previous archived discussion anywhere....that talks about > > their plans with regard to actually interacting with Fedora in a > > "project" sense. If there goal really is to attract developers, they > > need to talk to us about aligning the development process of moblin > > with Fedora policies...or else the switch they are doing might not not > > give them a contributor boost. Isn't that one of the lesson learned > > from OLPC? Just forking the Fedora 'bits' isn't going to necessarily > > be the win in terms of contributor involvement. I think they need to > > seriously be looking at how to pull moblin development into the Fedora > > project. > > > > Who's at OSCON right now, who can talk to Dirk about this? Greg? > > I already set Greg and Karsten on this earlier last night. Greg can > summarize how that went and where we go from here, but I'm sure he made > it plain to Intel/Moblin that there's an opportunity for them here. Karsten reported, in response to someone else's thread inside Red Hat: ''' In terms of Moblin, right when you (and Paul and ...) hit us with the Reg article, Dirk Hohndel was giving a 'chalk talk' about Moblin. Greg DeKoenigsberg, John Poelstra, and myself went to hear and get involved in the Q&A. In response to Greg's question ("What can I do for you?" handing him his business card), and the audience question about why switching from Ubuntu to Fedora, Dirk's responses were: * They already interface with Dave Jones and have for some time; Dirk feels that is a solid and legitimate way to interface, as he considers them downstream and need to push any changes back up in our direction and in other upstreams. * They switched to Fedora because they want to use RPMs ... so they can build in OpenSUSE's Open Build System. Greg took more careful mental notes than I did about the specifics, but Dirk had some functionality that, "Sorry, Koji does not have." * He didn't seem to be interested in Moblin as a feature of Fedora, per se. He's happy to work as a downstream entirely. ''' -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul Sundaram escreveu: | Hi | | http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2647 | | In an email today, Fedora?s Greg Dekoenigsberg said: ?The engineers at | OLPC are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the | world. They are basing their excellent work on Fedora. | | ?Their time is stretched perilously thin ? we in the Fedora community | can therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success | of the OLPC project.? | | Rahul | - -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiIw6UACgkQ024P1ALZT54URwCg0MioEPW8VTu7BGJ/SKwxvBC6 dM4An1dtyIitITAxgxtkG+nPV1FTaWd7 =kfAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 18:10:17 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:40:17 +0530 Subject: disturbed people... In-Reply-To: <488871E3.1070406@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300807240407y687bc113raaa167c7e32a5041@mail.gmail.com> <488871E3.1070406@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Is this a sattire? Dipanjan Chakraborty On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> http://www.promotinglinux.com/ >> There are some disturbed people out there :) >> > > You ruined my day Valent! Since I find that site hilarious I now have to > read as much of it as I can... good bye productivity for today! > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 18:49:28 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:49:28 -0800 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910807241149t198da744i88d3052bd50c19e1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/24 Paul W. Frields : > * He didn't seem to be interested in Moblin as a feature of Fedora, per > se. He's happy to work as a downstream entirely. I wasn't thinking Fedora 'feature' I was thinking more along the lines of how OLPC is interacting with us..sort of...without making use of the Fedora brand directly. Obviously they have a technical investment with OpenSuse's building service. Is there room for a technical bridge there between that service and our infrastructure? I'm not saying that we build that bridge for them. But if over time they wanted to work with us more closely, would we allow some sort of technical bridge to be built? My concern is primary about doing what is best to build contributor interest in the space that Moblin is attacking. I'm not sure they are going to get a community involvement boost acting as a complete separate downstream to our..kernel. I think they will only get a real boost if they align their internal project processes with the process of either OpenSuse or Fedora to more easily access one or the other existing contributor pools. And I think we can do that without forcing them to use the Fedora brand. We are sort of doing this with OLPC right now, aren't we? I hate to see them bouncing back and forth trying to be the downstream of different projects in succession, looking for the magic ticket that unlocks new contributor interest. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 24 23:43:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:13:35 +0530 Subject: Fedora launches OLPC group In-Reply-To: References: <4887C40E.6060405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <488913A7.9080501@fedoraproject.org> Hernan Pachas wrote: > I am working in the OLPC Peru Project. > > In this moment Peru requiried one Activity "Strategy Game" similary to > Caesar III (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/caesar3/index.html) , > but with peruvian space (machu picchu, chavin, > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_del_Per%C3%BA ). > > You help are very very important. Please join fedora-olpc list and introduce yourself. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 01:01:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:31:38 +0530 Subject: Intel switches from Ubuntu to Fedora for Mobile Linux Message-ID: <488925F2.80301@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Intel-switches-from-Ubuntu-to-Fedora-for-Mobile-Linux--/news/111166 "Chip manufacturer Intel wants to use parts of the Fedora Project Linux distribution instead of Ubuntu as the basis for the second version of Moblin (Mobile & Internet Linux Project)" "Intel is keen on using a Linux distribution that uses RPM packages and package management software. Hohndel pointed out that RPM packages include licence information; the DEB package management as used by Ubuntu and Debian doesn't have this information in the package files. By having licence information available, developers can create software collections by licence type or exclude software with certain types of licences" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 01:02:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:32:44 +0530 Subject: Moblin shakeup: Intel switches to Fedora Message-ID: <48892634.3010504@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2008/07/moblin-shakeup-intel-switches-to-fedora.html Later in the article, there is a more telling reply: "The other thing we thought about was Moblin one wasn't successful in creating this community push - having a vibrant community push is the winning factor." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 01:04:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:34:38 +0530 Subject: Ring. Ring. It's Fedora calling Message-ID: <488926A6.5070700@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9998526-16.html Red Hat's Fedora Project has announced several cool things this week. The first was Intel's defection from Ubuntu to use Fedora in its Moblin (Mobile Linux Internet Project). Intel's Dirk Hohndel billed it as driven by the project's preference for Fedora's RPM-based packaging system, but it's still significant, given Ubuntu's momentum in mobile. But the most interesting Fedora announcement may well have had nothing to do with its code, and everything to do with the process that creates that code. I'm referring to Fedora Talk, a voice-over-IP system that "allows Fedora contributors to use any standard VoIP hardware or software to sign into the Fedora system and make and receive calls to other Fedora contributors." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 01:36:21 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:36:21 -0400 Subject: Interesting quote from Sun/MySQL Message-ID: <1216949781.25817.7.camel@victoria> http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/oscon_pt_31_mys.html "Sometimes we've had people say 'Why don't we do the Fedora model?' Well, we're at such an early stage of OSI adoption that there needs to be a conscious level of experimentation -- business models, licenses, products -- in order to foster the next generation of innovation. And that thrashing around is OK. We want to encourage that level of experimentation. Maybe it puts a bit more burden on IT to understand the subtleties of these licenses, but the payoff is high and the effort is not exorbitant." * * * Note carefully the implication here: that the way Red Hat and Fedora interact and complement each other is what you do when you've *finished* thrashing around, and want to do open source business right. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 02:15:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:45:24 +0530 Subject: Zimbra Leverages Red Hat Exchange to Navigate License Issue Message-ID: <4889373C.2000102@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/07/24/zimbra-leverages-red-hat-exchange-to-navigate-license-issue/ The Red Hat Exchange team requested that Fedora review the YPL as part of its efforts to assist Zimbra with contributing to Fedora. Fedora reviewed the license and was concerned that the termination provisions of the YPL could be read to limit licensees? rights in such a way that would make the YPL not a true open source license. The RHX team helped facilitate a discussion between Zimbra/Yahoo! and the Red Hat and Fedora teams. The resulting feedback helped produce a minor change in the wording of the license which was acceptable to Fedora. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 06:09:23 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:39:23 +0530 Subject: Linux Symposium Proceedings Available Message-ID: <48896E13.3040002@fedoraproject.org> Hi, The OLS Proceedings from 2001-2008, as well as the GCC Summit Proceedings from 2003-2008, are now available at http://ols.fedoraproject.org This includes the full-volume PDFs that went to print, as well as copies of individual papers. Rahul From oybekfedora at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 17:07:12 2008 From: oybekfedora at gmail.com (Oybek Nuriddinov) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:07:12 +0900 Subject: General information About Fedora In-Reply-To: <7bb426480807250910k1b8829k3513da215543694a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bb426480807250910k1b8829k3513da215543694a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bb426480807251007o24716ff0w60cdc7980cd9b30e@mail.gmail.com> Hello everybody! > I have a few questions for you, if you know please fill it. > > 1.How many decision makers does Fedora have? > 2. By whom is Fedora funded? > 3. How many members of Fedora > 4. Is desktop environment in KDE or in GNOME? > > Thank you. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It also would be nice if you could post the file somewhere (other than YouTube) so other collaborators could use it, maybe in the ambassadors resources Regards Alejandro Acosta 2008/7/24 Mar?a Leandro : > I have translated... hope works :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hTb6YFJ1I > > > > 2008/7/24 Rahul Sundaram : > > Hi, >> >> Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers can build the future with Fedora! >> >> http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/23/video-fedora-live/ >> >> "Paul Frields (Fedora Project Leader) sits down to discuss the Live USB >> feature debuted in Fedora 9 with developer Jeremy Katz. See a live demo of >> the persistent desktop, and find out how to get more involved in the next >> Fedora release." >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 20:45:40 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:45:40 +0000 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807241149t198da744i88d3052bd50c19e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807241149t198da744i88d3052bd50c19e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217018740.921.85.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 10:49 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/7/24 Paul W. Frields : > > * He didn't seem to be interested in Moblin as a feature of Fedora, per > > se. He's happy to work as a downstream entirely. > > I wasn't thinking Fedora 'feature' I was thinking more along the lines > of how OLPC is interacting with us..sort of...without making use of > the Fedora brand directly. Right, but the obvious difference is that Intel's resources dwarf ours -- and that's a *major* difference. > My concern is primary about doing what is best to build contributor > interest in the space that Moblin is attacking. I'm not sure they are > going to get a community involvement boost acting as a complete > separate downstream to our..kernel. I think they will only get a real > boost if they align their internal project processes with the process > of either OpenSuse or Fedora to more easily access one or the other > existing contributor pools. And I think we can do that without > forcing them to use the Fedora brand. We are sort of doing this with > OLPC right now, aren't we? I hate to see them bouncing back and forth > trying to be the downstream of different projects in succession, > looking for the magic ticket that unlocks new contributor interest. Downstream should be free to choose what they like from upstream to build their own toys. That's the promise of FOSS. What will unlock contributor interest is their vision of Moblin -- which we can't give them. I worry that this thread sounds a little too much like requiring downstream to have a relationship with us. That sounds a bit unrealistic to me. I'm not sure what "aligning internal project processes... to more easily access one or the other existing contributor pools" means. But if you believe it's a worthy goal, this is something you can (and probably should) discuss directly in the Moblin project. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We want to encourage that level of > experimentation. Maybe it puts a bit more burden on IT to understand the > subtleties of these licenses, but the payoff is high and the effort is > not exorbitant." > * * * > > Note carefully the implication here: that the way Red Hat and Fedora > interact and complement each other is what you do when you've *finished* > thrashing around, and want to do open source business right. > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "...don't underestimate the power of the dark side..." From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jul 25 22:45:08 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:45:08 -0500 Subject: Fedora disconnection? Message-ID: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> There has been a heated discussion over several threads in www.fedoraforum.org about how disconnected some users feel from the development team, as well as a general "lack of direction" in Fedora's leadership. The latest of these discussions started about an article (posted a few months back here in the marketing list) about PackageKit and from there it spanned a rather heated discussion about Fedora and a perceived increasing developers<-->users gap. I know Fedoraforum.org, though recognized as one site for getting help on and discussing about Fedora is by no means an "official" channel (which seems to draw much more users than IRC, for example) and it's been pondered several times in the past in the forums whether the forums should have more recognition from Fedora or not (I know, it's been discussed here in the past, more than once, IIRC), maybe is that time to revisit the issue? (food for thought). As things stand right now it feels like two completely different communities. I don't mean to cause any trouble or disgust anyone here in the marketing list. Is just that as of late these discussions on the forums seem to be increasing in frequency. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 26 22:47:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:17:29 +0530 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <488BA981.5050104@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > There has been a heated discussion over several threads in > www.fedoraforum.org about how disconnected some users feel from the > development team, as well as a general "lack of direction" in Fedora's > leadership. The latest of these discussions started about an article > (posted a few months back here in the marketing list) about PackageKit > and from there it spanned a rather heated discussion about Fedora and a > perceived increasing developers<-->users gap. I have already discussed this issue in the private staff forum and a few of the administrators are now showing up in #fedora-devel IRC channel to help bridge this gap. Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 26 22:56:35 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:56:35 -0400 Subject: Fedora disconnection? 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The latest of these discussions started about an >> article (posted a few months back here in the marketing list) about >> PackageKit and from there it spanned a rather heated discussion about >> Fedora and a perceived increasing developers<-->users gap. > > I have already discussed this issue in the private staff forum and a > few of the administrators are now showing up in #fedora-devel IRC > channel to help bridge this gap. > > Rahul > Thank you Rahul. I knew about some staffers being in contact with some community members (devs, management, etc) just didn't know at what level. I hope that some sort of consensus can be reached or some sort of Ambassadors program for the 100K+ users in the forums. From david at gnsa.us Sun Jul 27 04:25:29 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:25:29 -0400 Subject: SlideDeck Request Message-ID: Hi All - I come bearing a request from the NA Ambassadors Meeting. I have gone through the existing presentations and they are either outdated or target the wrong presenter level that we are looking for. Essentially we are looking for stuff that we can hand a new contributor/ambassador, walk them through once (perhaps remotely) and have them relatively comfortable presenting. Essentially we'd like 2 updated slide decks. We'd like something akin to a F9 Features Slide Deck - something similar to what Jesse Keating had here: http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/presentations/lfnw-fedora-9-sneakpeek.odp - but maybe tuned down a bit to fit with what someone new to contributing to the Fedora Project would be comfortable presenting. As an aside we'll probably ask for another slide deck when F10 gets close doing the same thing. Especially once Feature Freeze happens. Actually - I just went and looked at the schedule - Feature Freeze is 8/19 - so maybe we want to do a F10 Sneak Peek instead and skip F9 altogether - we can modify that to F10 Feature relatively easily. The other slide deck we'd like to have is a "Four Foundations" presentation - again something that a relatively new Fedora Ambassador could pull off presenting. Explain Freedom, Friends, Features, First. Basically a user and perhaps a contributor recruitment slide deck that explains why the Four Foundations makes unique. I realize that there are precious few people to do work and probably far more important things and if necessary we'll retreat and try to generate ourselves, but we had no one immediately jump forward. I am open to feedback or suggestions on this idea - so please feel free. Thanks David Nalley From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 20:59:46 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:59:46 -0800 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1217018740.921.85.camel@victoria> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807241149t198da744i88d3052bd50c19e1@mail.gmail.com> <1217018740.921.85.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910807271359t14c9208dkdf9d4352dc4bb56b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/25 Paul W. Frields : > Downstream should be free to choose what they like from upstream to > build their own toys. This is a given. No one is saying people are not free to choose. But generally, large changes in project direction, should also be moments of reflection and introspection. The direct quotes attributed to Dirk in the article speak to a desire to attract contributors. Just moving to rpm packaging, and re-basing on a Fedora kernel isn't going to do that. If they are looking to make changes to attract more contributors and have a more active community, then those changes were not communicated in the article. > I worry that this thread sounds a little too much like requiring > downstream to have a relationship with us. That sounds a bit > unrealistic to me. > > I'm not sure what "aligning internal project processes... to more easily > access one or the other existing contributor pools" means. But if you > believe it's a worthy goal, this is something you can (and probably > should) discuss directly in the Moblin project. Let me be clearer then. They should replicate or integrate with as much of our contributor facing infrastructure and policies as they can to lower the barrier to entry to their project as far as possible so that people in our community who care about the mobile sector can work with them. I don't give a crap if they want to use the Fedora brand or not. I have an email out to Arjan with these very thoughts. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 21:26:23 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:26:23 -0800 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > There has been a heated discussion over several threads in > www.fedoraforum.org about how disconnected some users feel from the > development team, as well as a general "lack of direction" in Fedora's > leadership. The latest of these discussions started about an article (posted > a few months back here in the marketing list) about PackageKit and from > there it spanned a rather heated discussion about Fedora and a perceived > increasing developers<-->users gap. What exactly do the people who feel disconnected want? Will they be content just knowing that their opinions are heard? Communication is a project wide stumbling block. Developers get frustrated at just trying to talk among themselves, we certainly aren't going to require that all the developers try to track general user discussion lists and forums. We can probably do a better job at communication, on a number of fronts but such effort can only go so far. Rambling complaint threads on a forum or even the mailing list are just going to get ignored by the vast majority of people. Letting users pretend that participating in these sorts of long discussion amongst themselves will result in developer action is a disservice to everyone. Or is the an unspoken expectation in the discontented userbase that popular userbase opinion is suppose to drive the direction of the project? Let me dispel that right now. Popular userbase opinion will not control the direction of any technology development that individual contributors want to use. That is not going to change. Here's the deal. Fundamentally Fedora runs on the power of its contributor-base... not its userbase. If there are group of users who feel they are not being served, they have the ability to organize and get involved as contributors. We could do a better job of encouraging those sorts of users to grow into contributors. So knowing what should be done, really comes down to knowing what the discontented users are expecting. -jef From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 21:27:08 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:27:08 -0400 Subject: Intel's Moblin dumps Ubuntu in favor of Fedora In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807271359t14c9208dkdf9d4352dc4bb56b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4887C363.1090103@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910807231916u5952da6dieb37a4320d125d97@mail.gmail.com> <1216901884.15744.8.camel@victoria> <1216916372.5114.47.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807241149t198da744i88d3052bd50c19e1@mail.gmail.com> <1217018740.921.85.camel@victoria> <604aa7910807271359t14c9208dkdf9d4352dc4bb56b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080727212708.GB2877@victoria.ric-wireless> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:59:46PM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/7/25 Paul W. Frields : > > Downstream should be free to choose what they like from upstream to > > build their own toys. > > This is a given. No one is saying people are not free to choose. > But generally, large changes in project direction, should also be > moments of reflection and introspection. The direct quotes attributed > to Dirk in the article speak to a desire to attract contributors. Just > moving to rpm packaging, and re-basing on a Fedora kernel isn't going > to do that. If they are looking to make changes to attract more > contributors and have a more active community, then those changes were > not communicated in the article. I'm not surprised the article didn't reflect it -- it struck me as a little bit sensationalist and not interested in the details. But we should be used to that! > > I worry that this thread sounds a little too much like requiring > > downstream to have a relationship with us. That sounds a bit > > unrealistic to me. > > > > I'm not sure what "aligning internal project processes... to more easily > > access one or the other existing contributor pools" means. But if you > > believe it's a worthy goal, this is something you can (and probably > > should) discuss directly in the Moblin project. > > Let me be clearer then. They should replicate or integrate with as > much of our contributor facing infrastructure and policies as they can > to lower the barrier to entry to their project as far as possible so > that people in our community who care about the mobile sector can work > with them. I don't give a crap if they want to use the Fedora brand or > not. > > I have an email out to Arjan with these very thoughts. The messages I've seen from Arjan imply that Moblin is going to do this in their own way, and the messages I saw from Greg and Karsten support that as well. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The latest of these discussions started about an article (posted > > a few months back here in the marketing list) about PackageKit and from > > there it spanned a rather heated discussion about Fedora and a perceived > > increasing developers<-->users gap. > > What exactly do the people who feel disconnected want? Will they be > content just knowing that their opinions are heard? Communication is a > project wide stumbling block. Developers get frustrated at just trying > to talk among themselves, we certainly aren't going to require that > all the developers try to track general user discussion lists and > forums. We can probably do a better job at communication, on a number > of fronts but such effort can only go so far. Rambling complaint > threads on a forum or even the mailing list are just going to get > ignored by the vast majority of people. Letting users pretend that > participating in these sorts of long discussion amongst themselves > will result in developer action is a disservice to everyone. > > Or is the an unspoken expectation in the discontented userbase that > popular userbase opinion is suppose to drive the direction of the > project? Let me dispel that right now. Popular userbase opinion will > not control the direction of any technology development that > individual contributors want to use. That is not going to change. > Here's the deal. Fundamentally Fedora runs on the power of its > contributor-base... not its userbase. If there are group of users who > feel they are not being served, they have the ability to organize and > get involved as contributors. We could do a better job of encouraging > those sorts of users to grow into contributors. > > So knowing what should be done, really comes down to knowing what the > discontented users are expecting. A frequent criticism of FOSS is that we don't have the kind of formal usability studies that big companies can afford. (Which is not to say our usability is poor by definition.) If end users feel that a certain area is being neglected, one way they could influence the development in that area is with usability studies. Those usability studies, though, would have to follow generally accepted best practices. As Jef points out, a popularity poll is not sufficient. There used to be a Usability SIG in Fedora but it didn't really pursue any of those goals. If users wanted to restart such an effort, it might prove worthwhile. But developers will only pay attention if there's solid, objective information for them to rely on. -- Paul W. 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Until i see some sort of open discussion, even an archived one, as to the goals for community growth Dirk was quoted on and the Moblin collective thoughts on how they are working towards those specific goals as part of Moblin 2.0.. I'm simply not going to concede that "their own way" means "completely different." So far I've seen specific comments about technical implementation solutions for building the bits. All this 'noise' about the reason to package rpms. I've seen squat on thoughts about contributor policy and guidance..anything that actually speaks to the directly attributed quotes from Dirk in the article concerning his desire to grow their contributor community. They've made the mistake of catching my attention, and there is a heavy price to pay for that. -jef From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 28 11:14:16 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:14:16 +0200 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <488D9F64.4040202@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> <488D9CC9.9090900@gmx.de> <488D9F64.4040202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <488DAA08.1060407@gmx.de> Nicu Buculei schrieb: > wonderer wrote: >> >> Maybe the text to the video can modified, other pictures can be >> taken, but I think we have some of the same intentions... I fully >> agree not TO much take from "the great company with the fruit >> Logo...", but I think we can learn much of this add. >> So, maybe we could have one "Theme", one Artwork (maybe for F11) and >> draw around that Posters, Wallpapers, Icons and video adds ... just >> my 2 Cents ;-) > > The *one theme* is "freedom, friends, features, first". That are words, but no theme ;-) What do we want to buidl around it? Should there be a thing like the BSD fish or the Budweiser frogs and lizzard, what would we connect with the 4 foundations? What "pictures" would we compare with that? Does the first friend of Fedora features freedom around the world or does the first freedom we have on our computers was featured from fedora? Would we like to build a theme around the words or should the words stand for themself? Questions I like to throw in the round ... Another idea: paint some cute little "things" and name them fed ora and fed ori and let them play some comics (I saw some great stuff from some fedora-Artists ;-) )... Another idea: Interview with lets say a guy on the street. question to him: "Do you have a Computer?" He (young guy): "of course. I play games do my homework and chating and some music " ** (backgroundmusic: some snippets of MTV & Co.) --- Question: are you Ok with that? He (thinking): ** backgroundmusic: Techno, Hardrock, etc. --- cut fade-in --- Fedora Logo freedom | friends | features | first (smoothly fade in, no music) --- cut (blackout) --- same situationn (Interviewer on street) Interviewer want to ask a bunch of people, they are laughing, have penguin shirts or so One of the guy: shure I have a computer. I use it for games ... homework and study things ... chatting and music Question: are you Ok with that? the guys (look at each other): yes. --- fadeout --- showing Fedora logo with URL best regards Henrik From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 01:16:27 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:16:27 -0400 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <488E5160.3040700@prodigy.net.mx> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> <488E5160.3040700@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1217294187.15871.20.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 18:08 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Paul W. Frields escribi?: > > Yes, I would like to avoid setting up a bunch of new slogans all at the > > same time. At the same time, I realize that the alliteration ("f" at > > the beginning of all the words) won't work outside English, for which I > > apologize. But the *ideas* are strong, so translating those words > > directly would still be powerful, I think. > > > > Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If > > everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the > > unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts > > not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. > > > > > > Hello Paul. > > Regarding the 4 foundations, maybe they should be better exposed in the > Wiki. Just ran a quick search of the Wiki for a mixed variations of the > words "4 foundations", "four foundations" and "foundations" and of all > results I couldn't get one which linked to the main article explaining > those. Also it may be a good idea to advertise them in the font page for > the Wiki, since they're the basic idea upon which Fedora ideals and > values revolve. Maybe this has already been done and I simply didn't > browse or search the *right* places. I wanted to do see an explanation > for them as it may better aid with translations other than "Freedom = > Libertad", "Friendship = Amistad", etc, but putting the full reasoning > behind the words, just like it was the case when these words were chosen > to be the foundations ;-) > > I appologize to reply to this thread here instead of addressing this on > a more appropriate channel (Marketing?) This is a good point! I did a search for "infinity freedom voice" and also got no page saying those are official slogans. :-\ This really needs a page on the wiki, like Marketing/Slogans. Unfortunately I'm stranded at a hotel where the network is horrible. (The search I just did? Took 7.5 minutes, whereas it normally takes only a few seconds.) I'm forwarding this to f-marketing-l where we can mark it as an action item in our next meeting. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Jul 29 02:35:02 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> Jeff Spaleta escribi?: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Gian Paolo Mureddu > wrote: > >> There has been a heated discussion over several threads in >> www.fedoraforum.org about how disconnected some users feel from the >> development team, as well as a general "lack of direction" in Fedora's >> leadership. The latest of these discussions started about an article (posted >> a few months back here in the marketing list) about PackageKit and from >> there it spanned a rather heated discussion about Fedora and a perceived >> increasing developers<-->users gap. >> I just saw your reply, sorry for the late response. > > What exactly do the people who feel disconnected want? Will they be > content just knowing that their opinions are heard? Communication is a > project wide stumbling block. Developers get frustrated at just trying > to talk among themselves, we certainly aren't going to require that > all the developers try to track general user discussion lists and > forums. We can probably do a better job at communication, on a number > of fronts but such effort can only go so far. Rambling complaint > threads on a forum or even the mailing list are just going to get > ignored by the vast majority of people. Letting users pretend that > participating in these sorts of long discussion amongst themselves > will result in developer action is a disservice to everyone. > This poses an excellent question, one which answer I have not been able to properly put into words. Generally speaking it would seem as if an important number of users (or would be users) see Fedora as the mythical Hydra... A huge body (the community) with lots and lots of heads (projects) that sort of feel disconnected to one another; i.e. there still lacks a bit of cohesion. That is what I have been able to deduce after having participating in many more discussions that I care to remember about _what_ Fedora really is. The message here seems to be clear: The project home page seems to not be as successful as we might have thought once in regards to telling people (especially new users) what Fedora is all about... Sure for old timers the simple words "Fedora is a community driven project around a community...." etc, etc, may tell us exactly what it is, but it would seem as if many new comers are having a hard time grasping and understanding even the basic philosophy of Fedora. > Or is the an unspoken expectation in the discontented userbase that > popular userbase opinion is suppose to drive the direction of the > project? Let me dispel that right now. Popular userbase opinion will > not control the direction of any technology development that > individual contributors want to use. That is not going to change. > Here's the deal. Fundamentally Fedora runs on the power of its > contributor-base... not its userbase. If there are group of users who > feel they are not being served, they have the ability to organize and > get involved as contributors. We could do a better job of encouraging > those sorts of users to grow into contributors. > I know that about Fedora, and I know there are several levels at which users may contribute back to the project, the point is that this very message doesn't seem to be *reaching* the users. Common complaints include: * Scarcity of information available in the Wiki, by this I mean that not all the concepts seem (from user input) to be being covered. * Dispersion of information. Another common complaint is that there seems to be a lot of different "sites" covering all the different aspects of the distro, but there is lacking a central site which may explain (to a certain simple degree) what these other aspects *do* (I know we have some information regarding this in the Wiki, maybe it is not as exposed as it should? Maybe directly in the Overview section or link to a new page with information about projects and what they are?). > So knowing what should be done, really comes down to knowing what the > discontented users are expecting. > > -jef > > Exactly. Which is why I've thought about a liaison of sorts (Ambassador[s]) for the forums on-line community and Fedora-proper. It will take some investigating to find-out what do these users really expect... Which could in turn give place to have better means for feedback from users, not necessarily from this particular "arm" of the community. I myself some times have resented a sorts of careless attitude towards simple users from some community members. As if some contributors/developers/management/etc people really couldn't care less about who uses Fedora or what their opinions are. I know that isn't necessarily the case, but (besides myself) some other users have stated they've felt some kind of hostility in the official channels of communication. I know addressing individuals is not practical and a waste, and that's why Fedora moves in clusters of people with common interests. Like Paul suggests, maybe it would be a good time to conduct a usability study among Fedora users? I understand that Fedora advances through its contributors, but it's supported by its users. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 29 02:36:20 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:36:20 -0700 Subject: Interesting quote from Sun/MySQL In-Reply-To: <1216949781.25817.7.camel@victoria> References: <1216949781.25817.7.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1217298980.10618.6.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:36 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/oscon_pt_31_mys.html > > "Sometimes we've had people say 'Why don't we do the Fedora model?' > Well, we're at such an early stage of OSI adoption that there needs to > be a conscious level of experimentation -- business models, licenses, > products -- in order to foster the next generation of innovation. And > that thrashing around is OK. We want to encourage that level of > experimentation. Maybe it puts a bit more burden on IT to understand the > subtleties of these licenses, but the payoff is high and the effort is > not exorbitant." > * * * > > Note carefully the implication here: that the way Red Hat and Fedora > interact and complement each other is what you do when you've *finished* > thrashing around, and want to do open source business right. In fact, I found myself explaining that to a two-person ISV start-up on Saturday, who package a $50, non-FLOSS add-on that pays the bills on top of their (mostly) FLOSS application. Where I'm seeing people understand and adopt open source business models, they are going through these stages in similar order, understanding, and effectiveness. The difference is, people are aware they are doing it and are moving faster than Red Hat => Fedora has done. ;-D - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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I have been in the linux community since kernel 1 was out and started working on linux then with slackware on 3.5" floppies to install. Currently i am a part time computer techinican in my spare time i have been working on computers since i was 9 years old by the time i was 13 i was writing my own bbs games for my dads bbs at the time and now i have a extensive background in computers ranging rom working with old DEC alpha systems to newer server systems and thing clients. I have worked for version dsl internet services as a technical support agent and since then i have been working as myself on computers and educating people on computers as well as teaching kids on how to use comptuers. I would like to help the fedora community with marketing it anyway i can to use my skills as both a CG artist and Airbrush artist and to educate people here in this small town on the world that is linux and open source and what it is. 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Currently i am a part time computer > techinican in my spare time i have been working on computers since i was 9 > years old by the time i was 13 i was writing my own bbs games for my dads > bbs at the time and now i have a extensive background in computers ranging > rom working with old DEC alpha systems to newer server systems and thing > clients. I have worked for version dsl internet services as a technical > support agent and since then i have been working as myself on computers and > educating people on computers as well as teaching kids on how to use > comptuers. I would like to help the fedora community with marketing it > anyway i can to use my skills as both a CG artist and Airbrush artist and to > educate people here in this small town on the world that is linux and open > source and what it is. > > Joe > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Welcome Joe! Happy to have you on board! :) -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redhat at y7mail.com Tue Jul 29 08:47:02 2008 From: redhat at y7mail.com (Harry Sukumar) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:47:02 +1000 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <8012720c0807290014u6c202043t142defaecc6dc925@mail.gmail.com> References: <8012720c0807290014u6c202043t142defaecc6dc925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217321222.14632.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 02:14 -0500, Lab Rat wrote: > Well i am currently a linux user i have used alot of the major distros > out there and still keep coming back to fedora. I am a Cg Artist and > Airbrush artistand i am currently working in a small community and > trying ot promote linux to the community at large here and to promote > it to business to use for there web servers and in store computers. I > have been in the linux community since kernel 1 was out and started > working on linux then with slackware on 3.5" floppies to install. > Currently i am a part time computer techinican in my spare time i have > been working on computers since i was 9 years old by the time i was 13 > i was writing my own bbs games for my dads bbs at the time and now i > have a extensive background in computers ranging rom working with old > DEC alpha systems to newer server systems and thing clients. I have > worked for version dsl internet services as a technical support agent > and since then i have been working as myself on computers and > educating people on computers as well as teaching kids on how to use > comptuers. I would like to help the fedora community with marketing > it anyway i can to use my skills as both a CG artist and Airbrush > artist and to educate people here in this small town on the world that > is linux and open source and what it is. > > Joe > Welcome Joe!!! > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 11:20:09 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:20:09 -0300 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <8012720c0807290014u6c202043t142defaecc6dc925@mail.gmail.com> References: <8012720c0807290014u6c202043t142defaecc6dc925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0807290420i3acf6ab2p8c35bb3de36429fd@mail.gmail.com> Welcome Joe. Hugs. Erick 2008/7/29 Lab Rat > Well i am currently a linux user i have used alot of the major distros out > there and still keep coming back to fedora. I am a Cg Artist and Airbrush > artistand i am currently working in a small community and trying ot promote > linux to the community at large here and to promote it to business to use > for there web servers and in store computers. I have been in the linux > community since kernel 1 was out and started working on linux then with > slackware on 3.5" floppies to install. Currently i am a part time computer > techinican in my spare time i have been working on computers since i was 9 > years old by the time i was 13 i was writing my own bbs games for my dads > bbs at the time and now i have a extensive background in computers ranging > rom working with old DEC alpha systems to newer server systems and thing > clients. I have worked for version dsl internet services as a technical > support agent and since then i have been working as myself on computers and > educating people on computers as well as teaching kids on how to use > comptuers. I would like to help the fedora community with marketing it > anyway i can to use my skills as both a CG artist and Airbrush artist and to > educate people here in this small town on the world that is linux and open > source and what it is. > > Joe > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:26:04 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:26:04 +0200 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300807290526s2e49e7fdlad9899e94852f96d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> Hi, >> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by >> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it >> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). >> >> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a >> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a >> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using >> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their >> Asus eees? >> >> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ >> [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora >> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile >> > > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about > finished. Things are working almost perfectly. > > I have it working as a LiveCD right now. > > Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Great script! -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:57:00 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:57:00 -0600 Subject: eeedora 2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300807290526s2e49e7fdlad9899e94852f96d@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300807210733q5c196b7bv56b11f1560af1ca4@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300807290526s2e49e7fdlad9899e94852f96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about >> finished. Things are working almost perfectly. >> >> I have it working as a LiveCD right now. >> >> Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > Great script! Thanks Valent, I just wish I had a hundred hours in each day so I could finish stuff like that as I still feel like its not done... This is encouraging though, and I have already made improvements on it since I uploaded. I will probably work to submit it to the spins git repository now so that others can help. Cheers, Clint From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:07:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:07:46 +0000 Subject: Self Introduction: Joe Rugar In-Reply-To: <8012720c0807290033p65193f5aja4866405aa0ff085@mail.gmail.com> References: <8012720c0807290033p65193f5aja4866405aa0ff085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217340466.3552.58.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 02:33 -0500, Lab Rat wrote: > * Joe Rugar > * Beeville, TX US > * Freelance CG Artist, Airbrush Artist Welcome Joe, good to have you aboard. We meet on IRC Freenode, channel #fedora-mktg, on Thursdays at 1900 UTC (3:00pm US/Eastern). Before coming, you might want to take a look at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Plan - to understand Fedora's marketing plan and positioning https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks - to know what's going on right now -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:24:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:55 +0000 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:35 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Like Paul suggests, maybe it would be a good time to conduct a usability > study among Fedora users? I understand that Fedora advances through its > contributors, but it's supported by its users. Just to be very clear, I'm not suggesting that the Fedora Project has the resources to do such a study. They're very time consuming and can be costly. So the chances are *very* small of all those costs coming out of our (equally) small budget. What I suggested was that interested and experienced community members band together to design and implement these tests. There is much more to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like to see. It's a highly organized science of its own. Those difficulties translate directly into high costs, which is why we don't conduct them centrally. So while I agree that now is "a good time" to do it, that doesn't solve the problem of *who* is going to do it, and *how*. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can buy it on http://shop.scifi-guide.net :) Best Regards Patrik Cevela __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3303 (20080728) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 01:39:25 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:39:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:35 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> Like Paul suggests, maybe it would be a good time to conduct a usability >> study among Fedora users? I understand that Fedora advances through its >> contributors, but it's supported by its users. > > Just to be very clear, I'm not suggesting that the Fedora Project has > the resources to do such a study. They're very time consuming and can > be costly. So the chances are *very* small of all those costs coming > out of our (equally) small budget. > > What I suggested was that interested and experienced community members > band together to design and implement these tests. There is much more > to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like > to see. It's a highly organized science of its own. Those difficulties > translate directly into high costs, which is why we don't conduct them > centrally. So while I agree that now is "a good time" to do it, that > doesn't solve the problem of *who* is going to do it, and *how*. If it's any help at all, it is really really easy to conduct your own usability tests. You need to have a target for the test first. We did this recently at FUDcon for the Fedora website. I'll walk you through exactly how we did this quickly so you can see how to do it yourself: 1) First the Fedora websites team discussed what were the most important tasks we wanted users to be able to accomplish on our website: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html 2) Then we came up with a testing plan: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00320.html 3) Then we conducted a test! It did not take very long. Here's our report: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00231.html Do note that usability testing doesn't fix problems. It identifies them. It does not identify solutions. However it's really valuable to see for yourself first hand how others experience what you're working on. I wonder if it would be cool to have a "usability test a friend" day, where some project or focus within Fedora gets together to write up a pre-defined set of tasks to test, and then we publicize the usability test a friend day. Then everyone involved in Fedora can find just one person within their circle of friends and run them through those tests, and contribute their usability report back. It might be cool to give some kind of recognition to the person who tests the most people and/or writes up the best reports :) Even if only 10 folks were willing to go grab one friend and watch them try out some of the features of Fedora or our website, and then report back to us the experiences they had, we would have a really valuable body of data from which to understand what basic problems we need to solve to make Fedora better. It really should only each person take 20-30 minutes of their time per user they test. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 01:53:11 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:23:11 +0530 Subject: Better open drivers and docs Message-ID: <488FC987.9080505@fedoraproject.org> Hi Nvidia really seems to be the odd man out here at this point. VIA has published a good deal of documentation and has contracted Harald Welte to help them in their efforts http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYyMg http://lwn.net/Articles/291517/ ATI drivers are getting better too with David Airlie (Red Hat) working on it. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYyMQ Rahul From linux.charged at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 03:25:18 2008 From: linux.charged at gmail.com (Junior Tomazelli) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:25:18 -0300 Subject: Self Introduction: Joe Rugar In-Reply-To: <1217340466.3552.58.camel@victoria> References: <8012720c0807290033p65193f5aja4866405aa0ff085@mail.gmail.com> <1217340466.3552.58.camel@victoria> Message-ID: Welcome Joe. ;D -- Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Embaixador do Fedora Designer e Consultor de TI E-mail : linux.charged at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redhat at y7mail.com Wed Jul 30 04:04:17 2008 From: redhat at y7mail.com (Harry Sukumar) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:17 +1000 Subject: Better open drivers and docs In-Reply-To: <488FC987.9080505@fedoraproject.org> References: <488FC987.9080505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1217390657.14632.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Nvidia really seems to be the odd man out here at this point. VIA has > published a good deal of documentation and has contracted Harald Welte > to help them in their efforts I have had issues with NVidia in last few weeks with dual screen, finally gave up my dream of having dual screen and went with on board VGA. I still have issues when I turn Desktop effects on FC9, the computer goes really really slow,not sure why? well if some one could help me on this, sorry if i have dragged away from the actual topic Current Drivers: Intel 82A963/Q965 integrated Graphics Controller Thanks Harry From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jul 30 07:11:57 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:11:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4890143D.2060901@prodigy.net.mx> M?ir?n Duffy escribi?: > If it's any help at all, it is really really easy to conduct your own > usability tests. You need to have a target for the test first. We did > this recently at FUDcon for the Fedora website. I'll walk you through > exactly how we did this quickly so you can see how to do it yourself: > > 1) First the Fedora websites team discussed what were the most > important tasks we wanted users to be able to accomplish on our > website: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html > > > 2) Then we came up with a testing plan: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00320.html > > > 3) Then we conducted a test! It did not take very long. Here's our > report: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00231.html > > > Do note that usability testing doesn't fix problems. It identifies > them. It does not identify solutions. However it's really valuable to > see for yourself first hand how others experience what you're working on. > > I wonder if it would be cool to have a "usability test a friend" day, > where some project or focus within Fedora gets together to write up a > pre-defined set of tasks to test, and then we publicize the usability > test a friend day. Then everyone involved in Fedora can find just one > person within their circle of friends and run them through those > tests, and contribute their usability report back. It might be cool to > give some kind of recognition to the person who tests the most people > and/or writes up the best reports :) > > Even if only 10 folks were willing to go grab one friend and watch > them try out some of the features of Fedora or our website, and then > report back to us the experiences they had, we would have a really > valuable body of data from which to understand what basic problems we > need to solve to make Fedora better. It really should only each person > take 20-30 minutes of their time per user they test. > > ~m > Marin, you just gave a great idea... I'll have to think it through more thoroughly and even test it before I'd dare suggesting it fully. I'll do some tests, but first I have to find some volunteers (I have a few prospects). When I have something I hope to present it to you all... Until then, there's a lot of thinking I have to do. From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jul 30 07:28:31 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:28:31 -0500 Subject: Better open drivers and docs In-Reply-To: <488FC987.9080505@fedoraproject.org> References: <488FC987.9080505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4890181F.9090004@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Hi > > Nvidia really seems to be the odd man out here at this point. VIA has > published a good deal of documentation and has contracted Harald Welte > to help them in their efforts > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYyMg > > http://lwn.net/Articles/291517/ > > ATI drivers are getting better too with David Airlie (Red Hat) working > on it. > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYyMQ > > Rahul > Indeed, with AMD, VIA and the recent announcement from Atheros about their ath9k driver (and improvements on their ath5k driver), Intel and their GEM, and many, many other hardware enhancements. Sure AMD will still have their binary blob for graphics, but they're coming clean with open source support for their products, open source 3D support for their recent hardware should arrive soon, and maybe their previous hardware can get improvements from these recent releases. Interesting times indeed. From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 02:22:49 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:22:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1217384569.17403.63.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:39 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:35 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> Like Paul suggests, maybe it would be a good time to conduct a usability > >> study among Fedora users? I understand that Fedora advances through its > >> contributors, but it's supported by its users. > > > > Just to be very clear, I'm not suggesting that the Fedora Project has > > the resources to do such a study. They're very time consuming and can > > be costly. So the chances are *very* small of all those costs coming > > out of our (equally) small budget. > > > > What I suggested was that interested and experienced community members > > band together to design and implement these tests. There is much more > > to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like > > to see. It's a highly organized science of its own. Those difficulties > > translate directly into high costs, which is why we don't conduct them > > centrally. So while I agree that now is "a good time" to do it, that > > doesn't solve the problem of *who* is going to do it, and *how*. > > If it's any help at all, it is really really easy to conduct your own > usability tests. You need to have a target for the test first. We did > this recently at FUDcon for the Fedora website. I'll walk you through > exactly how we did this quickly so you can see how to do it yourself: Well hush my mouth, this sounds great. But the key factor is the "target" part -- and mostly the studies that I've seen users advocate is a limitless problem set, without boundaries. So I mistakenly brought that knee-jerk bias to this conversation, which is my own fault. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 12:20:22 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:20:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <1217384569.17403.63.camel@victoria> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> <1217384569.17403.63.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <48905C86.80505@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Well hush my mouth, this sounds great. But the key factor is the > "target" part -- and mostly the studies that I've seen users advocate is > a limitless problem set, without boundaries. So I mistakenly brought > that knee-jerk bias to this conversation, which is my own fault. Ahh, I didn't mean it that way!! I have to totally agree with what you originally said, "There is much more to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like to see." I think a lot of people have the perception: 1. Do usability tests 2. ??? 3. PROFI^H^H^H^H^HThe next ipod!!!!11 I more wanted to highlight with the right focus (a very targeted scope for testing; you need to know what finely-grained and well-defined tasks that you've identified as the most critical for a specific application) usability testing can be something that ANYBODY can do and doesn't need to involve a lot of time or $$. However like you hinted at: 1. "Usability tests on Fedora" = $$, time, data not useful since it'll reflect on the Fedora of three or four versions ago by the time a study of that boundless scope is done (and since the tasks may not have been chosen strategically it might give you data on the usability of tasks that aren't even critical for your users to be able to complete) vs. 2. "Usability test to determine how difficult it is for a new Fedora user to download, burn, and install Fedora in order to try it out" - much, much easier to do. It's got a well-defined scope, is a task that is quite strategic and critical for Fedora's success (if people can't even download and run it, they would never see all the improvements in Fedora itself) I do apologize for beating a dead horse :( but as someone who has a usability and design background, I do get a LOT of questions on why we don't just usability test Fedora or usability test Satellite or usability test this or that to solve problems, so I think this thread maybe hit a nerve. :) I think there are a lot of misconceptions about how usability testing works and what you actually get out of what you put into it (you get a list of problems, not answers to them). So I thought it would be useful to make it more clear why simply 'usability testing Fedora' is not really something that can be done. I think the more key thing is to identify those strategic tasks we want Fedora users to do. It would help identify the most important development priorities. Even without usability testing, we probably already have backlogs of bugs and complaints about those tasks that are hidden amongst the body of bugs and complaints about less-important tasks... And I think identifying the strategic tasks flows from what Fedora's goals are. Who do we want Fedora to be when it grows up? How important are less-technical users vs more savvy developers? How important is server capabilities vs desktop capabilities? The answers to these kind of questions definitely influence what tasks you want users to be able to accomplish most easily. I think projects like the Fedora foundations and the marketing plan that was done a while back (I can't seem to find it on the wiki now :() are really key for defining this. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 17:52:09 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:52:09 -0800 Subject: Fedora disconnection? In-Reply-To: <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> References: <488A5774.1010102@prodigy.net.mx> <604aa7910807271426n82687d9i461ebdf2e1cb2dbf@mail.gmail.com> <488E81D6.90100@prodigy.net.mx> <1217341495.3552.62.camel@victoria> <488FC64D.1020303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910807301052y5dde2aa8vbd48b4bde56b436c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:39 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I wonder if it would be cool to have a "usability test a friend" day, where > some project or focus within Fedora gets together to write up a pre-defined > set of tasks to test, and then we publicize the usability test a friend day. > Then everyone involved in Fedora can find just one person within their > circle of friends and run them through those tests, and contribute their > usability report back. It might be cool to give some kind of recognition to > the person who tests the most people and/or writes up the best reports :) This would require us having friends. And if I extrapolate from my own personal experience, that could be a serious problem. Though I could probably participate in a "test a university student" day. -jef From silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:26:14 2008 From: silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Distribui=E7=F5es_linux?= Message-ID: A vantagem e desvantagem do Linux ? a escolha ser muito variada. N?o te posso dizer qual ? a melhor distribui??o de Linux pois isso varia consoante o gosto, o hardware e a vers?o da distribui??o( Por exemplo o Ubuntu 7.10 n?o foi grande coisa e a 8.04 ? excelente!) Recomendo-te uma passagem por este site: http://distrowatch.com/ Tens aqui a informa??o sobre as distros mais usadas. Para te ajudar na escolha ficas com a informa??o das 4 principais distros comerciais. *Mandriva * O Mandriva Linux foi lan?ado por Ga?l Duval em Julho de 1998, com o nome de Mandrake Linux. No in?cio, era apenas uma remasteriza??o do Red Hat Linux com uma interface mais amig?vel, o KDE, por?m lan?amentos subseq?entes adicionaram v?rios toques amig?veis, como um novo instalador, detec??o de hardware aperfei?oada e um intuitivo utilit?rio de parti??o de disco. Como resultado dessas melhorias, o Mandrake Linux floresceu. Ap?s atrair investidores e converter-se em neg?cio, a sorte da rec?m-estabelecida MandrakeSoft flutuou entre uma quase bancarrota no in?cio de 2003 e uma enxurrada de aquisi??es em 2005. Por fim, ap?s fus?o com a brasileira Conectiva, a companhia mudou seu nome para Mandriva. O Mandriva Linux ? primordialmente uma distribui??o para desktops. Suas qualidades mais apreciadas s?o software de ponta, soberba su?te de administra??o do sistema (DrakConf), excelente implementa??o da edi??o para 64-bits e extenso suporte ? internacionaliza??o. Adotou o modelo de desenvolvimento aberto muito antes de outras distribui??es populares, com intensivos testes nas fases beta e freq?entes lan?ametos est?veis. Ultimamente, tem desenvolvido diversos live CDs instal?veis e lan?ou o Mandriva Flash - um sistema Mandriva Linux completo em um dispositivo Flash USB boot?vel. Apesar da excel?ncia t?cnica, o Mandriva Linux tem perdido terreno nos ?ltimos anos. Em parte, isso se deve ? emerg?ncia de outras distribui??es amig?veis, mas tamb?m tem a ver com algumas decis?es controvertidas tomadas pela companhia, que acabaram por afastar um largo setor de sua base de usu?rios. Na web, o Mandriva ? um confuso conglomerado de diversos sites diferentes, enquanto que o "Mandriva Club", originalmente planejado para agregar valor a seus clientes pagos, tem recebido avalia??es controversas. Ainda que a empresa tenha aceitado algumas dessas cr?ticas, ela continua a travar uma batalha ingl?ria para convencer novos usu?rios ou usu?rios de outras distribui??es a experimentar (e comprar) seus produtos. *Pr?s:* Amig?vel para novatos, especialmente as edi??es comercais; excelente central de configura??es; suporte nativo a dezenas de l?nguas muito bom; live CD instal?vel - *Contras:* Atendimento a clientes adquiriu m? reputa??o nos ?ltimos anos; infraestrutura web complexa e confusa; popularidade em queda em virtude de sua natureza comercial e de decis?es corporativas impopulares no passado - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* URPMI com Rpmdrake (sua interface gr?fica), com pacotes RPM; "SMART" dispon?vel como outra alternativa *Download:* http://www.mandriva.com/en/download *Configura??o* http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-mandriva-one-2008-spring-kde *FEDORA* O v?u que cobria o Fedora somente foi tirado oficialmente em Setembro de 2004, por?m suas origens datam de 1995, quando dois vision?rios -- Bob Young e Marc Ewing -- deram o ponta-p? inicial, sob o nome de Red Hat Linux. O primeiro produto da empresa, Red Hat Linux 1.0 "Mother's Day", foi lan?ado naquele mesmo ano, rapidamente seguido por diversas corre??es de bugs. Em 1997, a Red Hat apresentou o RPM, seu revolucion?rio sistema de gerenciamento de pacotes, com resolu??o de depend?ncias e outras caracter?sticas avan?adas que contribuiram enormemente para o r?pido crescimento da distribui??o. Ela acabou por tomar o lugar do Slackware como a distribui??o Linux mais usada no mundo. Nos anos que se seguiram, novos lan?amentos da Red Hat passaram a sair padronizadamente a cada 6 meses. Em 2003, logo depois do lan?amento do Red Hat Linux 9, a companhia introduziu mudan?as radicais em sua linha de produtos. Manteve a marca Red Hat para seus produtos comerciais, principalmente o Red Hat Enterprise Linux, e apresentou o Fedora Core, uma distribui??o patrocinada por ela, por?m com foco na comunidade e destinada a "hobbystas". Ap?s um per?odo inical de cr?ticas ?s mudan?as, a comunidade Linux acabou por aceitar a "nova" distribui??o como uma continua??o natural do Red Hat Linux. Uns poucos lan?amentos de qualidade foi o suficiente para que o Fedora reassumisse seu status de um dos mais adorados sistemas operacionais do mercado. Ao mesmo tempo, a Red Hat tornou-se rapidamente a maior e mais lucrativa empresa Linux do mundo, com uma linha de produtos inovadores e outras iniciativas interessantes, como seu programa de capacita??o Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE). Hoje desde as principais companhias cinematogr?ficas, Nasa, NSA, usam o Red Hat Linux. O Fedora como montra de tecnologia de ponta ? usado pela IBM no computador mais rapido do mundo. Embora os caminhos do Fedora ainda sejam largamente controlados pela Red Hat, Inc. e o produto ?s vezes seja visto -- erradamente ou n?o -- como uma c?mara de testes para o Red Hat Enterprise Linux, n?o h? como negar que o Fedora seja uma das mais inovadoras distribui??es dispon?veis hoje. Suas contribui??es para o kernel do Linux, glibc e GCC s?o reconhecidas por todos e a recente integra??o da funcionalidade SELinux, das tecnologias de virtualiza??o Xen e outras caracter?sticas no n?vel de empresas s?o muito aprecidas pelos clientes da companhia. No lado negativo, o Fedora ainda n?o tem uma estrat?gia clara para tornar o produto mais f?cil de ser usado no desktop por aqueles que est?o al?m dos "hobbistas do Linux". Entre os patrocinadores do projecto Fedora al?m da Red Hat encontram-se a Intel e a IBM e a HP. - *Pr?s:* Altamente inovador; not?veis mecanismos de seguran?a; grande quantidade de pacotes; rigorosa ades?o ? filosofia do Software Livre - *Contras:* Tend?ncia a priorizar solu??es empresariais, em detrimento da usabilidade do desktop *Download: * http://fedoraproject.org/pt_BR/get-fedora *Configura??o* http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora9-gnome Escolhes o live cd gnome ( o desenvolvimento desta distro ? todo voltado para o gnome, apesar de terem o kde disponivel) *openSUSE* Os prim?rdios do openSUSE datam de 1992, quado quatro alem?es entusiastas do Linux -- Roland Dyroff, Thomas Fehr, Hubert Mantel e Burchard Steinbild -- lan?aram o projeto, com o nome de SuSE (Software und System Entwicklung) Linux. No in?cio, a jovem empresa vendia pacotes com disquetes contendo uma vers?o alem? do Slackware Linux, mas logo o SuSE Linux tornou-se uma distribui??o independente, com o lan?amento da vers?o 4.2 em Maio de 1996. Nos anos seguintes, os desenvolvedores adotaram o formato RPM para gerenciamento dos pacotes e introduziram o YaST, uma ferramenta gr?fica para administra??o do sistema f?cil de usar. Lan?amentos freq?entes, excelente documenta??o impressa e ampla disponibilidade do SuSE Linux nas lojas da Europa e Am?rica do Norte resultaram em r?pido crescimento de sua popularidade. O SuSE Linux foi adquirido pela Novell, Inc. no final de 2003. Com isso, grandes mudan?as no desenvolvimento, licenciamento e disponibilidade foram logo implementadas - o YaST foi lan?ado sob a GPL-General Public License, imagens ISO foram distribu?das livremente para download e, mais importante, o desenvolvimento da distribui??o foi aberta ? participa??o p?blica pela primeira vez em sua hist?ria. Desde o lan?amento do projeto openSUSE e da vers?o 10.0 em Outubro de 2005, a distribui??o tornou-se n?o somente livre, como tamb?m gr?tis. O c?digo do openSUSE tornou-se o sistema b?sico para os produtos comerciais da Novell, inicialmente chamados de Novell Linux, mas depois renomeados para SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop e SUSE Linux Enterprise Server. Hoje, o openSUSE possui uma grande base de usu?rios satisfeitos. Os motivos principais para o openSUSE receber altas avalia??es de seus usu?rios s?o ambientes gr?ficos bem acabados e agrad?veis (KDE e GNOME), excelente utilit?rio para administra??o do sistema (YasT) e, para aqueles que adquirem a edi??o paga, uma documenta??o impressa que est? entre as melhores quando confrontada com outras distribui??es. No entanto, o recente acordo entre a Novell e a Microsoft, que aparentemente admite o argumento desta ?ltima de que ela teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux, resultou em uma enxurrada de condena??es por parte de muitas personalidades ligadas ao Linux e fez com que muitos usu?rios mudassem de distribui??o. Ainda que a Novell tenha minimizado o acordo e a Microsoft ainda n?o tenha reclamado quaisquer direitos, essa quest?o permanece como um espinho atravessado na garganta dessa que ?, por outro lado, uma companhia muito amiga da comunidade Linux. O projecto ? patrocinado al?m da Novell, pela AMD. - *Pr?s:* Ferramenta de configura??o completa e intuitiva; reposit?rio com grande quantidade de pacotes; excelente infra-estrutura na web e excelente documenta??o impressa - *Contras:* Acordo de patentes entre a Novell e a Microsoft em Novembro de 2006 aparentemente legitimiza as reclama??es desta de que ela teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux; instala??o e configura??o pesadas do desktop e das aplica??es gr?ficas fazem com que ?s vezes a distro seja vista como "saturada e lenta" - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* YaST, um utilit?rio gr?fico e por linha de comando, com pacotes RPM * Download: *http://software.opensuse.org/* Configurara??o: *http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-opensuse-11* UBUNTU* O lan?amento do Ubuntu deu-se em Setembro de 2004. Apesar de relativamente nova na cena das distribui??es Linux, o projeto decolou como nenhum outro antes, com suas listas de discuss?o imediatamente repletas de usu?rios ansiosos e desenvolvedores entusiasmados. Nos anos seguintes, o Ubuntu cresceu a ponto de se tornar a mais popular entre as distribui??es para desktop e contribuiu grandemente para o desenvolvimento de um sistema operacional livre e f?cil de usar, podendo competir de igual para igual com quaisquer sistemas propriet?rios dispon?veis no mercado. Qual o motivo desse sucesso impressionante? Em primeiro lugar, o projeto foi criado por Mark Shuttleworth, um carism?tico milion?rio sul-africano, ex-desenvolvedor do Debian e o segundo turista espacial do mundo, cuja empresa, a Canonical Ltd. (que fica na Ilha de Man), financia o projeto. Em segundo lugar, o Ubuntu aprendeu com os erros de projetos semelhantes e os evitou desde o in?cio - criou uma excelente infra-estrutura na web, como documenta??o do tipo Wiki, uma criativa aplica??o para relatar bugs e uma aten??o profissional para com o usu?rio final. E, por ?ltimo, gra?as a seu rico fundador, o Ubuntu tem sido capaz de enviar CDs de gra?a a todos os interessados, o que muito tem contribu?do para a r?pida dissemina??o da distribui??o. Pelo lado t?cnico, o Ubuntu ? baseado no Debian "Sid" (isto ?, inst?vel), com alguns pacotes importantes, como GNOME, Firefox e OpenOffice.org, atualizados para suas vers?es mais recentes. Novas vers?es saem sempre a cada 6 meses, com suporte por 18 meses. H? ainda lan?amentos espor?dicos de vers?es com Suporte de Longo Prazo (LTS - Long Term Support), que d?o direto a atualiza??es de seguran?a por 3 a 5 anos, dependendo da edi??o. Outras caracter?sticas especiais incluem live CD instal?vel, trabalho gr?fico e temas para o desktop muito criativos, assistente de migra??o para os usu?rios do Windows, suporte ?s tecnologias mais recentes (como efeitos 3D na ?rea de trabalho, f?cil instala??o de drivers propriet?rios para placas ATI e NVIDIA, bem como redes sem fio) e suporte por demanda a codecs n?o-livres ou patenteados. - *Pr?s:* Ciclo de lan?amentos e per?odo de suporte fixos; amig?vel para iniciantes; abundante documenta??o, tanto oficial como de usu?rios - *Contras:* Alguns pacotes do pr?prio Ubuntu (como Launchpad e Rosetta) s?o propriet?rios; n?o ? totalmente compat?vel com o Debian - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* Advanced Package Tool (APT), com pacotes Debian *Download:* http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download *Configura??o* http://ubuntuforum-pt.org/index.php/topic,34887.0.html Se nenhuma destas funcionar, ent?o passamos ? debian. ? que come?ares com a debian ? complicado - at? o Linus trovalds acha a debian complicada v? l? tu! *Revista Fedora Brasil* No primeiro numero tem um how-to para configurar o modem do kanguru: http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista Um abra?o! 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[]'s 2008/7/30 S?lvio Reis > A vantagem e desvantagem do Linux ? a escolha ser muito variada. > N?o te posso dizer qual ? a melhor distribui??o de Linux pois isso varia > consoante o gosto, o hardware e a vers?o da distribui??o( Por exemplo o > Ubuntu 7.10 n?o foi grande coisa e a 8.04 ? excelente!) > > Recomendo-te uma passagem por este site: > http://distrowatch.com/ > > Tens aqui a informa??o sobre as distros mais usadas. > Para te ajudar na escolha ficas com a informa??o das 4 principais distros > comerciais. > > *Mandriva * > > O Mandriva Linux foi lan?ado por Ga?l > Duval em Julho de 1998, com o nome de Mandrake Linux. No in?cio, era apenas > uma remasteriza??o do Red Hat Linux com uma interface mais amig?vel, o KDE, > por?m lan?amentos subseq?entes adicionaram v?rios toques amig?veis, como um > novo instalador, detec??o de hardware aperfei?oada e um intuitivo utilit?rio > de parti??o de disco. Como resultado dessas melhorias, o Mandrake Linux > floresceu. Ap?s atrair investidores e converter-se em neg?cio, a sorte da > rec?m-estabelecida MandrakeSoft flutuou entre uma quase bancarrota no in?cio > de 2003 e uma enxurrada de aquisi??es em 2005. Por fim, ap?s fus?o com a > brasileira Conectiva, a companhia mudou seu nome para Mandriva. > > O Mandriva Linux ? primordialmente uma distribui??o para desktops. Suas > qualidades mais apreciadas s?o software de ponta, soberba su?te de > administra??o do sistema (DrakConf), excelente implementa??o da edi??o para > 64-bits e extenso suporte ? internacionaliza??o. Adotou o modelo de > desenvolvimento aberto muito antes de outras distribui??es populares, com > intensivos testes nas fases beta e freq?entes lan?ametos est?veis. > Ultimamente, tem desenvolvido diversos live CDs instal?veis e lan?ou o > Mandriva Flash - um sistema Mandriva Linux completo em um dispositivo Flash > USB boot?vel. > > Apesar da excel?ncia t?cnica, o Mandriva Linux tem perdido terreno nos > ?ltimos anos. Em parte, isso se deve ? emerg?ncia de outras distribui??es > amig?veis, mas tamb?m tem a ver com algumas decis?es controvertidas tomadas > pela companhia, que acabaram por afastar um largo setor de sua base de > usu?rios. Na web, o Mandriva ? um confuso conglomerado de diversos sites > diferentes, enquanto que o "Mandriva Club", originalmente planejado para > agregar valor a seus clientes pagos, tem recebido avalia??es controversas. > Ainda que a empresa tenha aceitado algumas dessas cr?ticas, ela continua a > travar uma batalha ingl?ria para convencer novos usu?rios ou usu?rios de > outras distribui??es a experimentar (e comprar) seus produtos. > *Pr?s:* Amig?vel para novatos, especialmente as edi??es comercais; > excelente central de configura??es; suporte nativo a dezenas de l?nguas > muito bom; live CD instal?vel > > - *Contras:* Atendimento a clientes adquiriu m? reputa??o nos ?ltimos > anos; infraestrutura web complexa e confusa; popularidade em queda em > virtude de sua natureza comercial e de decis?es corporativas impopulares no > passado > - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* URPMI com Rpmdrake (sua interface > gr?fica), com pacotes RPM; "SMART" dispon?vel como outra alternativa > > *Download:* > http://www.mandriva.com/en/download > > *Configura??o* > http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-mandriva-one-2008-spring-kde > > > *FEDORA* > > O v?u que cobria o Fedora somente foi > tirado oficialmente em Setembro de 2004, por?m suas origens datam de 1995, > quando dois vision?rios -- Bob Young e Marc Ewing -- deram o ponta-p? > inicial, sob o nome de Red Hat Linux. O primeiro produto da empresa, Red Hat > Linux 1.0 "Mother's Day", foi lan?ado naquele mesmo ano, rapidamente seguido > por diversas corre??es de bugs. Em 1997, a Red Hat apresentou o RPM, seu > revolucion?rio sistema de gerenciamento de pacotes, com resolu??o de > depend?ncias e outras caracter?sticas avan?adas que contribuiram enormemente > para o r?pido crescimento da distribui??o. Ela acabou por tomar o lugar do > Slackware como a distribui??o Linux mais usada no mundo. Nos anos que se > seguiram, novos lan?amentos da Red Hat passaram a sair padronizadamente a > cada 6 meses. > > Em 2003, logo depois do lan?amento do Red Hat Linux 9, a companhia > introduziu mudan?as radicais em sua linha de produtos. Manteve a marca Red > Hat para seus produtos comerciais, principalmente o Red Hat Enterprise > Linux, e apresentou o Fedora Core, uma distribui??o patrocinada por ela, > por?m com foco na comunidade e destinada a "hobbystas". Ap?s um per?odo > inical de cr?ticas ?s mudan?as, a comunidade Linux acabou por aceitar a > "nova" distribui??o como uma continua??o natural do Red Hat Linux. Uns > poucos lan?amentos de qualidade foi o suficiente para que o Fedora > reassumisse seu status de um dos mais adorados sistemas operacionais do > mercado. Ao mesmo tempo, a Red Hat tornou-se rapidamente a maior e mais > lucrativa empresa Linux do mundo, com uma linha de produtos inovadores e > outras iniciativas interessantes, como seu programa de capacita??o Red Hat > Certified Engineer (RHCE). > Hoje desde as principais companhias cinematogr?ficas, Nasa, NSA, usam o Red > Hat Linux. > O Fedora como montra de tecnologia de ponta ? usado pela IBM no computador > mais rapido do mundo. > > Embora os caminhos do Fedora ainda sejam largamente controlados pela Red > Hat, Inc. e o produto ?s vezes seja visto -- erradamente ou n?o -- como uma > c?mara de testes para o Red Hat Enterprise Linux, n?o h? como negar que o > Fedora seja uma das mais inovadoras distribui??es dispon?veis hoje. Suas > contribui??es para o kernel do Linux, glibc e GCC s?o reconhecidas por todos > e a recente integra??o da funcionalidade SELinux, das tecnologias de > virtualiza??o Xen e outras caracter?sticas no n?vel de empresas s?o muito > aprecidas pelos clientes da companhia. No lado negativo, o Fedora ainda n?o > tem uma estrat?gia clara para tornar o produto mais f?cil de ser usado no > desktop por aqueles que est?o al?m dos "hobbistas do Linux". > Entre os patrocinadores do projecto Fedora al?m da Red Hat encontram-se a > Intel e a IBM e a HP. > > > - *Pr?s:* Altamente inovador; not?veis mecanismos de seguran?a; grande > quantidade de pacotes; rigorosa ades?o ? filosofia do Software Livre > - *Contras:* Tend?ncia a priorizar solu??es empresariais, em detrimento > da usabilidade do desktop > > *Download: * > http://fedoraproject.org/pt_BR/get-fedora > *Configura??o* > http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora9-gnome > > Escolhes o live cd gnome ( o desenvolvimento desta distro ? todo voltado > para o gnome, apesar de terem o kde disponivel) > > > > *openSUSE* > Os prim?rdios do openSUSE datam de 1992, > quado quatro alem?es entusiastas do Linux -- Roland Dyroff, Thomas Fehr, > Hubert Mantel e Burchard Steinbild -- lan?aram o projeto, com o nome de SuSE > (Software und System Entwicklung) Linux. No in?cio, a jovem empresa vendia > pacotes com disquetes contendo uma vers?o alem? do Slackware Linux, mas logo > o SuSE Linux tornou-se uma distribui??o independente, com o lan?amento da > vers?o 4.2 em Maio de 1996. Nos anos seguintes, os desenvolvedores adotaram > o formato RPM para gerenciamento dos pacotes e introduziram o YaST, uma > ferramenta gr?fica para administra??o do sistema f?cil de usar. Lan?amentos > freq?entes, excelente documenta??o impressa e ampla disponibilidade do SuSE > Linux nas lojas da Europa e Am?rica do Norte resultaram em r?pido > crescimento de sua popularidade. > > O SuSE Linux foi adquirido pela Novell, Inc. no final de 2003. Com isso, > grandes mudan?as no desenvolvimento, licenciamento e disponibilidade foram > logo implementadas - o YaST foi lan?ado sob a GPL-General Public License, > imagens ISO foram distribu?das livremente para download e, mais importante, > o desenvolvimento da distribui??o foi aberta ? participa??o p?blica pela > primeira vez em sua hist?ria. Desde o lan?amento do projeto openSUSE e da > vers?o 10.0 em Outubro de 2005, a distribui??o tornou-se n?o somente livre, > como tamb?m gr?tis. O c?digo do openSUSE tornou-se o sistema b?sico para os > produtos comerciais da Novell, inicialmente chamados de Novell Linux, mas > depois renomeados para SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop e SUSE Linux Enterprise > Server. > > Hoje, o openSUSE possui uma grande base de usu?rios satisfeitos. Os motivos > principais para o openSUSE receber altas avalia??es de seus usu?rios s?o > ambientes gr?ficos bem acabados e agrad?veis (KDE e GNOME), excelente > utilit?rio para administra??o do sistema (YasT) e, para aqueles que adquirem > a edi??o paga, uma documenta??o impressa que est? entre as melhores quando > confrontada com outras distribui??es. No entanto, o recente acordo entre a > Novell e a Microsoft, que aparentemente admite o argumento desta ?ltima de > que ela teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux, resultou em > uma enxurrada de condena??es por parte de muitas personalidades ligadas ao > Linux e fez com que muitos usu?rios mudassem de distribui??o. Ainda que a > Novell tenha minimizado o acordo e a Microsoft ainda n?o tenha reclamado > quaisquer direitos, essa quest?o permanece como um espinho atravessado na > garganta dessa que ?, por outro lado, uma companhia muito amiga da > comunidade Linux. > O projecto ? patrocinado al?m da Novell, pela AMD. > > > - *Pr?s:* Ferramenta de configura??o completa e intuitiva; reposit?rio > com grande quantidade de pacotes; excelente infra-estrutura na web e > excelente documenta??o impressa > - *Contras:* Acordo de patentes entre a Novell e a Microsoft em > Novembro de 2006 aparentemente legitimiza as reclama??es desta de que ela > teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux; instala??o e > configura??o pesadas do desktop e das aplica??es gr?ficas fazem com que ?s > vezes a distro seja vista como "saturada e lenta" > - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* YaST, um utilit?rio gr?fico e por linha > de comando, com pacotes RPM > > * > > Download: > *http://software.opensuse.org/* > Configurara??o: > *http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-opensuse-11* > > > UBUNTU* > O lan?amento do Ubuntu deu-se em Setembro > de 2004. Apesar de relativamente nova na cena das distribui??es Linux, o > projeto decolou como nenhum outro antes, com suas listas de discuss?o > imediatamente repletas de usu?rios ansiosos e desenvolvedores entusiasmados. > Nos anos seguintes, o Ubuntu cresceu a ponto de se tornar a mais popular > entre as distribui??es para desktop e contribuiu grandemente para o > desenvolvimento de um sistema operacional livre e f?cil de usar, podendo > competir de igual para igual com quaisquer sistemas propriet?rios > dispon?veis no mercado. > > Qual o motivo desse sucesso impressionante? Em primeiro lugar, o projeto > foi criado por Mark Shuttleworth, um carism?tico milion?rio sul-africano, > ex-desenvolvedor do Debian e o segundo turista espacial do mundo, cuja > empresa, a Canonical Ltd. (que fica na Ilha de Man), financia o projeto. Em > segundo lugar, o Ubuntu aprendeu com os erros de projetos semelhantes e os > evitou desde o in?cio - criou uma excelente infra-estrutura na web, como > documenta??o do tipo Wiki, uma criativa aplica??o para relatar bugs e uma > aten??o profissional para com o usu?rio final. E, por ?ltimo, gra?as a seu > rico fundador, o Ubuntu tem sido capaz de enviar CDs de gra?a a todos os > interessados, o que muito tem contribu?do para a r?pida dissemina??o da > distribui??o. > > Pelo lado t?cnico, o Ubuntu ? baseado no Debian "Sid" (isto ?, inst?vel), > com alguns pacotes importantes, como GNOME, Firefox e OpenOffice.org, > atualizados para suas vers?es mais recentes. Novas vers?es saem sempre a > cada 6 meses, com suporte por 18 meses. H? ainda lan?amentos espor?dicos de > vers?es com Suporte de Longo Prazo (LTS - Long Term Support), que d?o direto > a atualiza??es de seguran?a por 3 a 5 anos, dependendo da edi??o. Outras > caracter?sticas especiais incluem live CD instal?vel, trabalho gr?fico e > temas para o desktop muito criativos, assistente de migra??o para os > usu?rios do Windows, suporte ?s tecnologias mais recentes (como efeitos 3D > na ?rea de trabalho, f?cil instala??o de drivers propriet?rios para placas > ATI e NVIDIA, bem como redes sem fio) e suporte por demanda a codecs > n?o-livres ou patenteados. > > > - *Pr?s:* Ciclo de lan?amentos e per?odo de suporte fixos; amig?vel > para iniciantes; abundante documenta??o, tanto oficial como de usu?rios > - *Contras:* Alguns pacotes do pr?prio Ubuntu (como Launchpad e > Rosetta) s?o propriet?rios; n?o ? totalmente compat?vel com o Debian > - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* Advanced Package Tool (APT), com pacotes > Debian > > > *Download:* > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download > *Configura??o* > http://ubuntuforum-pt.org/index.php/topic,34887.0.html > > Se nenhuma destas funcionar, ent?o passamos ? debian. > ? que come?ares com a debian ? complicado - at? o Linus trovalds acha a > debian complicada v? l? tu! > > *Revista Fedora Brasil* > No primeiro numero tem um how-to para configurar o modem do kanguru: > http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista > > Um abra?o! Qualquer coisa diz! > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at foppiano.org Wed Jul 30 18:43:07 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:43:07 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 CD/DVDs Message-ID: <1217443387.3493.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi all, I sent a mail few day ago about Italian Linux Day that will be on October 25th. We will bet on Fedora USB fill station, but we wish to have also CD/DVDs to give away, we won't to spend money to print CDs.. there are still Fedora 9 CD/DVDs left? Unfortunately, we can't provide Fedora 10, because it will come out about few days after October 25th . 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From silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:37:32 2008 From: silvioreis.fedora at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=EDlvio_Reis?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:37:32 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Distribui=E7=F5es_linux?= In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10807301143r2b20e4b6n1c7c569a4758ba5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10807301143r2b20e4b6n1c7c569a4758ba5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Eu cometi um erro!! Este mail era dirigido para um colega meu, mas enganei-me e foi para aqui. Sorry! i have made a mistake.. this message it was for another person. I am sorry! 2008/7/30 Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Ol? Silvio, > > Esta ? uma lista internacional, ou seja, devemos escrever em *ingl?s*. > Creio que voc? deva ter enviado para a lista errada. > > []'s > > > 2008/7/30 S?lvio Reis > >> A vantagem e desvantagem do Linux ? a escolha ser muito variada. >> N?o te posso dizer qual ? a melhor distribui??o de Linux pois isso varia >> consoante o gosto, o hardware e a vers?o da distribui??o( Por exemplo o >> Ubuntu 7.10 n?o foi grande coisa e a 8.04 ? excelente!) >> >> Recomendo-te uma passagem por este site: >> http://distrowatch.com/ >> >> Tens aqui a informa??o sobre as distros mais usadas. >> Para te ajudar na escolha ficas com a informa??o das 4 principais distros >> comerciais. >> >> *Mandriva * >> >> O Mandriva Linux foi lan?ado por Ga?l >> Duval em Julho de 1998, com o nome de Mandrake Linux. No in?cio, era apenas >> uma remasteriza??o do Red Hat Linux com uma interface mais amig?vel, o KDE, >> por?m lan?amentos subseq?entes adicionaram v?rios toques amig?veis, como um >> novo instalador, detec??o de hardware aperfei?oada e um intuitivo utilit?rio >> de parti??o de disco. Como resultado dessas melhorias, o Mandrake Linux >> floresceu. Ap?s atrair investidores e converter-se em neg?cio, a sorte da >> rec?m-estabelecida MandrakeSoft flutuou entre uma quase bancarrota no in?cio >> de 2003 e uma enxurrada de aquisi??es em 2005. Por fim, ap?s fus?o com a >> brasileira Conectiva, a companhia mudou seu nome para Mandriva. >> >> O Mandriva Linux ? primordialmente uma distribui??o para desktops. Suas >> qualidades mais apreciadas s?o software de ponta, soberba su?te de >> administra??o do sistema (DrakConf), excelente implementa??o da edi??o para >> 64-bits e extenso suporte ? internacionaliza??o. Adotou o modelo de >> desenvolvimento aberto muito antes de outras distribui??es populares, com >> intensivos testes nas fases beta e freq?entes lan?ametos est?veis. >> Ultimamente, tem desenvolvido diversos live CDs instal?veis e lan?ou o >> Mandriva Flash - um sistema Mandriva Linux completo em um dispositivo Flash >> USB boot?vel. >> >> Apesar da excel?ncia t?cnica, o Mandriva Linux tem perdido terreno nos >> ?ltimos anos. Em parte, isso se deve ? emerg?ncia de outras distribui??es >> amig?veis, mas tamb?m tem a ver com algumas decis?es controvertidas tomadas >> pela companhia, que acabaram por afastar um largo setor de sua base de >> usu?rios. Na web, o Mandriva ? um confuso conglomerado de diversos sites >> diferentes, enquanto que o "Mandriva Club", originalmente planejado para >> agregar valor a seus clientes pagos, tem recebido avalia??es controversas. >> Ainda que a empresa tenha aceitado algumas dessas cr?ticas, ela continua a >> travar uma batalha ingl?ria para convencer novos usu?rios ou usu?rios de >> outras distribui??es a experimentar (e comprar) seus produtos. >> *Pr?s:* Amig?vel para novatos, especialmente as edi??es comercais; >> excelente central de configura??es; suporte nativo a dezenas de l?nguas >> muito bom; live CD instal?vel >> >> - *Contras:* Atendimento a clientes adquiriu m? reputa??o nos ?ltimos >> anos; infraestrutura web complexa e confusa; popularidade em queda em >> virtude de sua natureza comercial e de decis?es corporativas impopulares no >> passado >> - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* URPMI com Rpmdrake (sua interface >> gr?fica), com pacotes RPM; "SMART" dispon?vel como outra alternativa >> >> *Download:* >> http://www.mandriva.com/en/download >> >> *Configura??o* >> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-mandriva-one-2008-spring-kde >> >> >> *FEDORA* >> >> O v?u que cobria o Fedora somente foi >> tirado oficialmente em Setembro de 2004, por?m suas origens datam de 1995, >> quando dois vision?rios -- Bob Young e Marc Ewing -- deram o ponta-p? >> inicial, sob o nome de Red Hat Linux. O primeiro produto da empresa, Red Hat >> Linux 1.0 "Mother's Day", foi lan?ado naquele mesmo ano, rapidamente seguido >> por diversas corre??es de bugs. Em 1997, a Red Hat apresentou o RPM, seu >> revolucion?rio sistema de gerenciamento de pacotes, com resolu??o de >> depend?ncias e outras caracter?sticas avan?adas que contribuiram enormemente >> para o r?pido crescimento da distribui??o. Ela acabou por tomar o lugar do >> Slackware como a distribui??o Linux mais usada no mundo. Nos anos que se >> seguiram, novos lan?amentos da Red Hat passaram a sair padronizadamente a >> cada 6 meses. >> >> Em 2003, logo depois do lan?amento do Red Hat Linux 9, a companhia >> introduziu mudan?as radicais em sua linha de produtos. Manteve a marca Red >> Hat para seus produtos comerciais, principalmente o Red Hat Enterprise >> Linux, e apresentou o Fedora Core, uma distribui??o patrocinada por ela, >> por?m com foco na comunidade e destinada a "hobbystas". Ap?s um per?odo >> inical de cr?ticas ?s mudan?as, a comunidade Linux acabou por aceitar a >> "nova" distribui??o como uma continua??o natural do Red Hat Linux. Uns >> poucos lan?amentos de qualidade foi o suficiente para que o Fedora >> reassumisse seu status de um dos mais adorados sistemas operacionais do >> mercado. Ao mesmo tempo, a Red Hat tornou-se rapidamente a maior e mais >> lucrativa empresa Linux do mundo, com uma linha de produtos inovadores e >> outras iniciativas interessantes, como seu programa de capacita??o Red Hat >> Certified Engineer (RHCE). >> Hoje desde as principais companhias cinematogr?ficas, Nasa, NSA, usam o >> Red Hat Linux. >> O Fedora como montra de tecnologia de ponta ? usado pela IBM no computador >> mais rapido do mundo. >> >> Embora os caminhos do Fedora ainda sejam largamente controlados pela Red >> Hat, Inc. e o produto ?s vezes seja visto -- erradamente ou n?o -- como uma >> c?mara de testes para o Red Hat Enterprise Linux, n?o h? como negar que o >> Fedora seja uma das mais inovadoras distribui??es dispon?veis hoje. Suas >> contribui??es para o kernel do Linux, glibc e GCC s?o reconhecidas por todos >> e a recente integra??o da funcionalidade SELinux, das tecnologias de >> virtualiza??o Xen e outras caracter?sticas no n?vel de empresas s?o muito >> aprecidas pelos clientes da companhia. No lado negativo, o Fedora ainda n?o >> tem uma estrat?gia clara para tornar o produto mais f?cil de ser usado no >> desktop por aqueles que est?o al?m dos "hobbistas do Linux". >> Entre os patrocinadores do projecto Fedora al?m da Red Hat encontram-se a >> Intel e a IBM e a HP. >> >> >> - *Pr?s:* Altamente inovador; not?veis mecanismos de seguran?a; grande >> quantidade de pacotes; rigorosa ades?o ? filosofia do Software Livre >> - *Contras:* Tend?ncia a priorizar solu??es empresariais, em >> detrimento da usabilidade do desktop >> >> *Download: * >> http://fedoraproject.org/pt_BR/get-fedora >> *Configura??o* >> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora9-gnome >> >> Escolhes o live cd gnome ( o desenvolvimento desta distro ? todo voltado >> para o gnome, apesar de terem o kde disponivel) >> >> >> >> *openSUSE* >> Os prim?rdios do openSUSE datam de 1992, >> quado quatro alem?es entusiastas do Linux -- Roland Dyroff, Thomas Fehr, >> Hubert Mantel e Burchard Steinbild -- lan?aram o projeto, com o nome de SuSE >> (Software und System Entwicklung) Linux. No in?cio, a jovem empresa vendia >> pacotes com disquetes contendo uma vers?o alem? do Slackware Linux, mas logo >> o SuSE Linux tornou-se uma distribui??o independente, com o lan?amento da >> vers?o 4.2 em Maio de 1996. Nos anos seguintes, os desenvolvedores adotaram >> o formato RPM para gerenciamento dos pacotes e introduziram o YaST, uma >> ferramenta gr?fica para administra??o do sistema f?cil de usar. Lan?amentos >> freq?entes, excelente documenta??o impressa e ampla disponibilidade do SuSE >> Linux nas lojas da Europa e Am?rica do Norte resultaram em r?pido >> crescimento de sua popularidade. >> >> O SuSE Linux foi adquirido pela Novell, Inc. no final de 2003. Com isso, >> grandes mudan?as no desenvolvimento, licenciamento e disponibilidade foram >> logo implementadas - o YaST foi lan?ado sob a GPL-General Public License, >> imagens ISO foram distribu?das livremente para download e, mais importante, >> o desenvolvimento da distribui??o foi aberta ? participa??o p?blica pela >> primeira vez em sua hist?ria. Desde o lan?amento do projeto openSUSE e da >> vers?o 10.0 em Outubro de 2005, a distribui??o tornou-se n?o somente livre, >> como tamb?m gr?tis. O c?digo do openSUSE tornou-se o sistema b?sico para os >> produtos comerciais da Novell, inicialmente chamados de Novell Linux, mas >> depois renomeados para SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop e SUSE Linux Enterprise >> Server. >> >> Hoje, o openSUSE possui uma grande base de usu?rios satisfeitos. Os >> motivos principais para o openSUSE receber altas avalia??es de seus usu?rios >> s?o ambientes gr?ficos bem acabados e agrad?veis (KDE e GNOME), excelente >> utilit?rio para administra??o do sistema (YasT) e, para aqueles que adquirem >> a edi??o paga, uma documenta??o impressa que est? entre as melhores quando >> confrontada com outras distribui??es. No entanto, o recente acordo entre a >> Novell e a Microsoft, que aparentemente admite o argumento desta ?ltima de >> que ela teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux, resultou em >> uma enxurrada de condena??es por parte de muitas personalidades ligadas ao >> Linux e fez com que muitos usu?rios mudassem de distribui??o. Ainda que a >> Novell tenha minimizado o acordo e a Microsoft ainda n?o tenha reclamado >> quaisquer direitos, essa quest?o permanece como um espinho atravessado na >> garganta dessa que ?, por outro lado, uma companhia muito amiga da >> comunidade Linux. >> O projecto ? patrocinado al?m da Novell, pela AMD. >> >> >> - *Pr?s:* Ferramenta de configura??o completa e intuitiva; reposit?rio >> com grande quantidade de pacotes; excelente infra-estrutura na web e >> excelente documenta??o impressa >> - *Contras:* Acordo de patentes entre a Novell e a Microsoft em >> Novembro de 2006 aparentemente legitimiza as reclama??es desta de que ela >> teria direitos de propriedade intelectual sobre o Linux; instala??o e >> configura??o pesadas do desktop e das aplica??es gr?ficas fazem com que ?s >> vezes a distro seja vista como "saturada e lenta" >> - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* YaST, um utilit?rio gr?fico e por linha >> de comando, com pacotes RPM >> >> * >> >> Download: >> *http://software.opensuse.org/* >> Configurara??o: >> *http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-opensuse-11* >> >> >> UBUNTU* >> O lan?amento do Ubuntu deu-se em Setembro >> de 2004. Apesar de relativamente nova na cena das distribui??es Linux, o >> projeto decolou como nenhum outro antes, com suas listas de discuss?o >> imediatamente repletas de usu?rios ansiosos e desenvolvedores entusiasmados. >> Nos anos seguintes, o Ubuntu cresceu a ponto de se tornar a mais popular >> entre as distribui??es para desktop e contribuiu grandemente para o >> desenvolvimento de um sistema operacional livre e f?cil de usar, podendo >> competir de igual para igual com quaisquer sistemas propriet?rios >> dispon?veis no mercado. >> >> Qual o motivo desse sucesso impressionante? Em primeiro lugar, o projeto >> foi criado por Mark Shuttleworth, um carism?tico milion?rio sul-africano, >> ex-desenvolvedor do Debian e o segundo turista espacial do mundo, cuja >> empresa, a Canonical Ltd. (que fica na Ilha de Man), financia o projeto. Em >> segundo lugar, o Ubuntu aprendeu com os erros de projetos semelhantes e os >> evitou desde o in?cio - criou uma excelente infra-estrutura na web, como >> documenta??o do tipo Wiki, uma criativa aplica??o para relatar bugs e uma >> aten??o profissional para com o usu?rio final. E, por ?ltimo, gra?as a seu >> rico fundador, o Ubuntu tem sido capaz de enviar CDs de gra?a a todos os >> interessados, o que muito tem contribu?do para a r?pida dissemina??o da >> distribui??o. >> >> Pelo lado t?cnico, o Ubuntu ? baseado no Debian "Sid" (isto ?, inst?vel), >> com alguns pacotes importantes, como GNOME, Firefox e OpenOffice.org, >> atualizados para suas vers?es mais recentes. Novas vers?es saem sempre a >> cada 6 meses, com suporte por 18 meses. H? ainda lan?amentos espor?dicos de >> vers?es com Suporte de Longo Prazo (LTS - Long Term Support), que d?o direto >> a atualiza??es de seguran?a por 3 a 5 anos, dependendo da edi??o. Outras >> caracter?sticas especiais incluem live CD instal?vel, trabalho gr?fico e >> temas para o desktop muito criativos, assistente de migra??o para os >> usu?rios do Windows, suporte ?s tecnologias mais recentes (como efeitos 3D >> na ?rea de trabalho, f?cil instala??o de drivers propriet?rios para placas >> ATI e NVIDIA, bem como redes sem fio) e suporte por demanda a codecs >> n?o-livres ou patenteados. >> >> >> - *Pr?s:* Ciclo de lan?amentos e per?odo de suporte fixos; amig?vel >> para iniciantes; abundante documenta??o, tanto oficial como de usu?rios >> - *Contras:* Alguns pacotes do pr?prio Ubuntu (como Launchpad e >> Rosetta) s?o propriet?rios; n?o ? totalmente compat?vel com o Debian >> - *Gerenciamento de Pacotes:* Advanced Package Tool (APT), com pacotes >> Debian >> >> >> *Download:* >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download >> *Configura??o* >> http://ubuntuforum-pt.org/index.php/topic,34887.0.html >> >> Se nenhuma destas funcionar, ent?o passamos ? debian. >> ? que come?ares com a debian ? complicado - at? o Linus trovalds acha a >> debian complicada v? l? tu! >> >> *Revista Fedora Brasil* >> No primeiro numero tem um how-to para configurar o modem do kanguru: >> http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista >> >> Um abra?o! Qualquer coisa diz! >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Linux User #402589 > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- S?lvio Reis Portugal Fedora Ambassador http://www.projectofedora.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jul 31 14:27:25 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing meeting reminder Message-ID: 3pm Eastern US time / 7pm UTC. irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg. See y'all there. :) --g From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:03:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:03:59 -0400 Subject: Marketing meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1217516639.29422.0.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:27 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > 3pm Eastern US time / 7pm UTC. irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg. > > See y'all there. :) Sorry I have to miss this one -- but it's because I'm doing some actual marketing work, if that helps! Shooting some video on NetworkManager connection sharing with some of the Desktop guys up here in Westford. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There should certainly be room for people to pick up and run > with issues and ideas when they arise, but I think this could be more > useful to our little group than the current marketing plan's form... > It's rough and I've left out some of the generic info because the > current plan covers that very well. I've tried to pick parts of Fedora > and give them marketing "focus" for appropriate times in the release. > Would love some feedback. According to my approach we're just about to > come into the middle section of tasks I've dreamed up: > > --------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------- > > In terms of a release cycle: > > 1st and 2nd month: > > ------------------------------- > > Gathering reviews from previous release - wiki > Highlighting the positive comments - RHM (for now) + own blogs > Answering the negative (where applicable) - forums, news sites, blog posts > Highlight freedom, features and first when answering negative > > Push for new contributors > Need to review join page. A generic process for all SIGS/Teams might be useful > > FUDCon > Video, contributor stories, hackfest info, talk recordings, plans for > what's to come! > > Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM > Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) > > 3rd and 4th month: > > ---------------------------------- > > LinuxTag/FISL > Talk about interaction with other projects, more contributor stories, > videos etc > > Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM > Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) > > Stories about Fedora infrastructure - how great a community to > contribute through - RHM, need to co-ordinate interviews and editorial > content > > Should probably try and get an article in some publications about > this aspect of Fedora. > > Working with upstream - blogs, Transifex would be a good highlight here > > Re-spins - RHM, own blogs, editorial content + interviews > > Contacting editors/writers to start pointing out work going on with > beta and where they can find out more info on key features > > Need to co-ordinate with RH - have a single point of contact > (press at fedoraproject.org?), think it's important to try and work > through community here (but then that's my opinion!), this was a > slight problem in previous release when RH and I both contacted some > magazines about similar topics. > > Arrange for external interviews - podcasts etc - with developers and > contributors > > Need a list of podcasts and other online media. > > Need a list of contributors willing to be interviewed! > > 5th and 6th month: > > ---------------------------------------- > > FUDCon > > Talk about interaction with other projects, more contributor stories, > videos etc > > Should collect individual's blog posts, share them on RHM > Videos to go to Fedora TV (can include contributor stories, talks etc) > > Interviews with developers > > Wiki and RHM for now. > > Need to know upcoming features to start this > > Kick ass pretty feature summary > > Wiki for text, need websites and art for look > > Home page countdown > > Art team > > New banner > > Art team > > FREEDOM & FIRST > > Need editorial content - RHM and own blogs. > > Leader interviews > > Exactly as last time - these worked very *well* > > > Running parallel: > > -------------------------------------- > > I'd like to try and get news.fp.o running for F10 release. Totally > dependent on others, and totally understand it's a huge amount of > work! > > Need decent video editing software > > Need decent recording equipment at events. > > Need to tie in better with fedoraforum.org - Rahul etc > > ----------------------------------- > ---------------------------------- > > Yeah, I know this is something of a mess, but some of it makes sense > to me and I hope to you too! > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >