From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Mar 1 09:40:22 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:40:22 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Making release a snap] In-Reply-To: <47C896B2.6030603@redhat.com> References: <47C896B2.6030603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803010140k19e735bm684c806583f4767a@mail.gmail.com> On 29/02/2008, John Poelstra wrote: > Who like to be the representative from the marketing SIG? I'd be game, but if someone with more experience than me in these matters would like to do it then they get my vote!! Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Mar 1 12:04:26 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:04:26 +0000 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> Anybody able to give me a definition of exactly what the beta release is!? i.e. feature complete? targeted at which set of users?! Or if somebody could point me in the right direction.. Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 1 12:49:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:19:41 +0530 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C950E5.8010102@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Anybody able to give me a definition of exactly what the beta release > is!? i.e. feature complete? targeted at which set of users?! > > Or if somebody could point me in the right direction.. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule Beta is feature freeze and string freeze. Alpha is targeted for developers. Beta for early adopters and Release Candidate for full community participation. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 1 12:50:23 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:20:23 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: Making release a snap] In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803010140k19e735bm684c806583f4767a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47C896B2.6030603@redhat.com> <3263b11b0803010140k19e735bm684c806583f4767a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C9510F.7090804@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 29/02/2008, John Poelstra wrote: >> Who like to be the representative from the marketing SIG? > > I'd be game, but if someone with more experience than me in these > matters would like to do it then they get my vote!! Feel free to do it. I will review. Rahul From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Mar 1 14:03:14 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:03:14 -0500 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301090314.6c8cd89d@j2solutions.net> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:04:26 +0000 "Jonathan Roberts" wrote: > Anybody able to give me a definition of exactly what the beta release > is!? i.e. feature complete? targeted at which set of users?! > > Or if somebody could point me in the right direction.. Beta release is when we freeze development to stabilize the tree in order to have an installable package set. All approved Fedora features should be in a 'testable' state, that is ready for users to discover functions, issues, and bugs. It also marks the time at which we will no longer accept new Feature requests, nor allow any significant string changes in the software we do translations for. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 20:54:02 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:54:02 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Marketing ( on the Fedora Marketing List ? ) In-Reply-To: <47C0685E.5030906@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080223074851.3A0D1618848@hormel.redhat.com> <1203768713.7248.30.camel@Opteron64> <20080223082621.7546322c@j2solutions.net> <604aa7910802231010k31e5bd6akfbaa6a7f5494c71f@mail.gmail.com> <47C06437.5050207@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910802231027q4237bdeci873801953e59e175@mail.gmail.com> <47C0685E.5030906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1204404842.30677.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 00:09 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Rahul Sundaram > > wrote: > >> I thought we were all waiting for the board to discuss this first? > > > > Didn't we hash this out on fab? I guess if we really need a decree, > > I'll see if we can get it on the agenda for this week's meeting..which > > I'm probably going to miss. > > We did hash it out but I had the impression (pretty sure I read it > somewhere) that the board is going to discuss this and make a decision. > I thought that seemed appropriate since it was the board decision to > introduce the feature in the first place. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-February/msg00257.html Just making sure this is closed out correctly here. The Board is also in favor of patching out the for-sale plugins, so this issue is no longer hung up there. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Beta for early adopters and Release Candidate for full > community participation. > > Rahul > So whats going on with the single source summary then does that get replaced with the beta release notes? Cheers, Marc From ajarnchristopher at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 12:14:58 2008 From: ajarnchristopher at gmail.com (Chris Talliss) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:14:58 +0700 Subject: About Me Message-ID: <2108f7140803020414s5ddc7f8ao3d5a3a8847e8fb4f@mail.gmail.com> Hi: My name is Chris Talliss I currently teach Maths at a Thailand Government School. I was Marketing Manager for The Electronics Test Centre in Alberta, Canada for 8 years. I have developed and implemented plans to penetrate new markets in the defence and aerospace industry. I sold services to national and international high tech companies. That was a few years ago but since that date I built a successful home repair and renovation business. Back in the dark ages I was a large systems engineer for Burroughs machines Ltd.,at a bank centre in London, England. I have some time available to help with whatever as I am so fed up with Bill and his third rate software. Plus I am really upset that I did not buy shares back in the 80's -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 3 19:24:19 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:24:19 +0000 Subject: Strategies and Tactics Message-ID: <3263b11b0803031124s13c0bc76gf20cd191701f3225@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, So following from last weeks meeting, I've begun filling out the strategies and tactics section on the marketing plan. It's sparse right now (and possible I've misunderstood the concept behind some of the bits!). Jeroen (and all), what do you think thus far? I think we're going to need some input from RH who (or so I hear through the grape vine) have offered advice on the strategies and tactics section. Max, you said you'd be able to put us in touch? Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 3 19:39:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:09:26 +0530 Subject: About Me In-Reply-To: <2108f7140803020414s5ddc7f8ao3d5a3a8847e8fb4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2108f7140803020414s5ddc7f8ao3d5a3a8847e8fb4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC53EE.9030700@fedoraproject.org> Chris Talliss wrote: > Hi: > My name is Chris Talliss > I currently teach Maths at a Thailand Government School. > I was Marketing Manager for The Electronics Test Centre in Alberta, > Canada for 8 years. > I have developed and implemented plans to penetrate new markets in the > defence and aerospace industry. I sold services to national and > international high tech companies. > That was a few years ago but since that date I built a successful home > repair and renovation business. > Back in the dark ages I was a large systems engineer for Burroughs > machines Ltd.,at a bank centre in London, England. > I have some time available to help with whatever as I am so fed up with > Bill and his third rate software. > Plus I am really upset that I did not buy shares back in the 80's Amusing introduction. Welcome to the marketing list and special interest group. Feel free to participate in discussions and post your own ideas. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 3 19:50:00 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:50:00 +0000 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <47C9E59B.5000905@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> <47C950E5.8010102@fedoraproject.org> <47C9E59B.5000905@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803031150s25367d26y545051774f574a2c@mail.gmail.com> On 01/03/2008, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Anybody able to give me a definition of exactly what the beta release > >> is!? i.e. feature complete? targeted at which set of users?! > >> > >> Or if somebody could point me in the right direction.. > > > > Refer > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule > > > > Beta is feature freeze and string freeze. Alpha is targeted for > > developers. Beta for early adopters and Release Candidate for full > > community participation. > > > > Rahul > > > > > So whats going on with the single source summary then does that get > replaced with the beta release notes? I think so for now Marc...got my head in a big spin with the SingleSourceSummary! Not sure anybody totally understands it actually, though perhaps Karsten does and when he returns things may look rosier. For now though, feel free to move content from SSS or add stuff to the Release Notes :) Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 3 21:34:20 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:04:20 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left Message-ID: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> Hi I see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen done by Rodrigo Menezes. It seems complete though he hasn't announced it himself. What's left? ------------ FreeIPA - really unique and we are leading this effort that probably will help solve one of the major admin pain point Presto is in limbo for now. So we can skip it Jidgo - Should cover if we are getting this as one of the alternative distribution methods for Fedora 9. Cover pyjidgo and whatever new features we are driving. Some discussions at https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html PreUpgrade - Should be really interesting to cover Anaconda - Very visible changes.Interview the entire Anaconda team. Partition resizing support, Encryption support, netinst.iso that combines boot.iso and rescue.iso, lots of other backend work Display - Adam Jackson is release guy for the next upstream release and scheduled it around Fedora 9. Should cover Fast X, RandR and probably Soeren's work covered to some extend in http://www.j5live.com/2008/01/30/j5-live-vlog-soeren-talks-about-projectors-in-fedora-rawhide/ Virtualization - Lot of major work esp xen on paravirt_ops. Look up a lot of blogs including http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2007/11/plan-for-xen-kernels-in-fedora-9 Get in touch with Daniel Berrange. He would know who else we can interview on this. Ask about Ovirt, virtual appliance creator, policy kit integration with virt manager, virtual storage, virt kernel boot etc. LTSP integration - Very high profile. Interview Warren and Eric. https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html Upstart - Probably the first time, we had a very core feature be mostly community driven. Need to cover the FUDCon decision bits too. Not too interesting technically since we no distribution is actually taking advantage of upstart features yet and will be running under sysvinit compatibility mode. GDM, Gvfs, GCC 4.3 - Fedora is driving upstream. Backend stuff though except for GDM. We will be early adopters so might be good to cover GDM first. Swfdec - Consult with desktop team and interview upstream too if we are getting this installed by default SELinux user space confinement - Not in the feature list but this is a interesting feature neverthless and deserves to be highlighted better. Blog at http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/15700.html Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 3 23:27:08 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:27:08 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803031527u44f9af66u4b01c6c92515724c@mail.gmail.com> On 03/03/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen done by > Rodrigo Menezes. It seems complete though he hasn't announced it himself. Yeah - I believe he's planning on it going up this weekend :) I think it's a really good interview too! Thanks for the list below too, does anybody else feel like picking up any of these? Perhaps if people do they could claim ownership in this thread and then we can get questions and answers for as many of them together as soon as possible. That way all that's left is to push them to the wiki each time we want to publish. I'm more than willing to help anybody with anything they need, and I'm sure others can offer tips and advice too... The only two I'll take for definite is swfdec and FreeIPA - I've been in touch with the feature owners about it already and they're on their way (swfdec depending on board's decision to include or not - should be anytime now). Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 3 23:33:10 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:33:10 +0000 Subject: Max and Paul Interview Message-ID: <3263b11b0803031533t10fb4151r233bb7888110c2e1@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I forgot to post here about this earlier, but I did an interview with Max and Paul that has gone online today. I think it reads really well and makes the future prospects of the project sound very exciting :) You can read it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/FPL and you can digg it here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Project_Leader_Hello_and_Goodbye Thanks, Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 4 06:59:00 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:59:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CCF334.70004@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > GDM, Gvfs, GCC 4.3 - Fedora is driving upstream. Backend stuff though > except for GDM. We will be early adopters so might be good to cover GDM > first. If someone is doing a GDM interview I recommend this as a starting point: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-February/msg00042.html I see it as a perfect demonstration about how Fedora is leading innovation. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 01:15:55 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:15:55 -0800 Subject: Fedora on the Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <604aa7910802290926o1d707c8epe250a2a596dd1e38@mail.gmail.com> References: <47C72225.6050502@fedoraproject.org> <47C79224.7060203@yahoo.com.br> <604aa7910802282202je46e3f2hb8feb0ce2bafe17e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910802290926o1d707c8epe250a2a596dd1e38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204679755.4141.75.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 08:26 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > But how do we get people who are making use of Fedora...even for > unexpectedly mundane things like Gas pumps.. to start talking about it > in a way that is constructive and helps generate new contributions to > open source. tellyourfedorastory at fedoraproject.org? yourstory.fedoraproject.org => forum server just for telling cool stories about Fedora usage? (open for all, uses only a captcha to filter accounts) stories.of.fedoralinux.org => nice site that does nothing but tell stories -- written, audio, video -- about Fedora Hmmm ... at least these two ideas need humans to parse them, for various spammish and nicety reasons. We need a team! I volunteer. Anyone else? Include the link in every story publicized, so they help provide more fodder. Aside from Digg, get a blast into press.redhat.com. Run stories in the installer? Get Red Hat Magazine to pick up one occasionally for wider viewing. (+1) Ensure all stories are under a Fedora-approved CC license so people can ... use them in presentations! Reprint them in their dead tree Linux magazines! Etc. Since Fedora is such a cool server distro, I bet we can get some really great stories this way that rival just about anyone else's potential. We may not have the best "I gave my Granny Fedora 8 and that werewolf ate her lunch" stories, but sysadmins who like Fedora have cooler toys anyway. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 01:22:27 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:22:27 -0800 Subject: Single sourced summary (was Re: Beta Release Notes) In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803031150s25367d26y545051774f574a2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> <47C950E5.8010102@fedoraproject.org> <47C9E59B.5000905@mwiriadi.id.au> <3263b11b0803031150s25367d26y545051774f574a2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204680147.4141.76.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 19:50 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 01/03/2008, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > So whats going on with the single source summary then does that get > > replaced with the beta release notes? The Alpha/Beta release notes (single wiki page) are a subset of the SingleSourceSummary. > I think so for now Marc...got my head in a big spin with the > SingleSourceSummary! Not sure anybody totally understands it actually, > though perhaps Karsten does and when he returns things may look > rosier. For now though, feel free to move content from SSS or add > stuff to the Release Notes :) FWIW, Paul may also understand it, so we have being-hit-by-a-bus protection. Does this explanation work? :: Problem -- multiple summaries (relnotes, press releases, wiki pages, announcements, blog entries, articles) being written for a given release (Alpha, Beta, RC, Gold), all repeating work; no clear place to go for a good _summary_ of a given release. Solution -- one single page that contains all the _potential_ content (source) for any one of the given target summaries. Call this the SingleSourceSummary (SSS). What the SSS is not -- It is not a page meant to be read of itself: two sections may contain nearly identical content but be written in two styles, such as "Big and happy!" and "Terse and descriptive". It does not require a consistent writing style for sections: see above examples Stable: expect it to change constantly; don't use it with an Include() macro but copy/fork What the SSS is -- A resource for *anyone* writing about a given Fedora release A collaboration amongst various parts of Fedora -- Marketing, Docs, Rel Eng, etc. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 03:30:26 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:30:26 +0800 Subject: Linux Powers The Spiderwick Chronicles Message-ID: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9951 == During the production of Spiderwick, Tippett Studio switched to Fedora Linux running on Macintosh desktops. "We currently have 119 Intel-based Apple Mac Pro workstations running Linux", says Tippett Computer Graphics Supervisor Russell Darling. "We decided to go with Apple hardware running Linux for our primary artist workstations on The Spiderwick Chronicles, although it might have been considered a risky endeavor for a show in production. We initially had some problems with sound on Maya and a few other minor issues, but they were resolved. We got a patch from Autodesk that took care of everything." Commercial Linux software vendors work closely with film studio clients. == -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 5 03:47:03 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:47:03 -0500 Subject: Store SIG Meeting 2008-03-05 - Canceled Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803041947s4525b5d7y3405644da603f212@mail.gmail.com> The Store SIG meeting will not be held this week. The past week did not progress as I had planned and there is not a lot to report this week. If you have any questions about how things are progressing feel free to send me email or ping me on IRC. I will be happy to answer them. Thanks! Jeffrey From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 5 04:07:23 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:07:23 -0500 Subject: Strategies and Tactics In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803031124s13c0bc76gf20cd191701f3225@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0803031124s13c0bc76gf20cd191701f3225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803042007t1004cf12qe6be735e67de66f4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > So following from last weeks meeting, I've begun filling out the > strategies and tactics section on the marketing plan. It's sparse > right now (and possible I've misunderstood the concept behind some of > the bits!). First, we need to clone you! :-) > Jeroen (and all), what do you think thus far? I think we're going to > need some input from RH who (or so I hear through the grape vine) have > offered advice on the strategies and tactics section. Max, you said > you'd be able to put us in touch? I think you have a solid start to getting that section filled out. I'll just offer my comments and try to not ramble as it nears my time for sleep... Product: I agree, we are more than just an operating system. You catch most of other parts of Fedora Project quite well with the Product Overview list. I wonder if we should add more detail to the items listed in Product Overview? Push the spins a little more as well? Release Information and Key Changes looks pretty clear and simple. The links to the Feature List and Release Notes fill in the missing detail. Price: I'm not sure you would even lead with price for people who are outside the free/open source community. I think it was someone on the mailing lists that said as salesperson you never lead with price - lead with features and what it can do for you. Then when you have people wanting that product they will start asking how much is it going to cost them you tell them that it is at no cost to them. And as you said it shouldn't be promoted above the principles of the project. We would need to really learn how to showcase what Fedora can do for you, but I think that's part of what this whole exercise is about. Distribution: I added Open Source / Linux Conventions. Promotion: There must be some more ways we could promote, but my brain isn't thinking. I think you've done a great job getting the ball going on this section. Hopefully we can get some more discussion going on this topic.... ~Jeffrey From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 15:49:19 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Build Your Own Distro doesn't mention Fedora? (fwd) Message-ID: Jonathan, something to consider in your tactics discussion -- how do we get more favorable articles into print magazines? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:45:07 -0600 From: Joe Casad To: Greg DeKoenigsberg Cc: letters at linux-magazine.com Subject: Re: Build Your Own Distro doesn't mention Fedora? Hello, Greg-- Thanks for your message. I just wanted to let you know that the reason we didn't provide an article on the Fedora customization tools is that we've already covered them. We had an article on livecd-creator and Revisor in our December 2007 issue: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issues/2007/85/original_spin BTW: We also included a screenshot and description of these spin tools in our August 2007 issue, which came with a Fedora 7 DVD. The Fedora tools were actually the first ones we wrote about. We're very interested in providing good coverage of Fedora, so let me know if you can think of other interesting and original Fedora tools or features that might be a good topic for an article. Best regards, -Joe Casad Linux Pro Magazine Linux Magazine International On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > I've got to say, I'm pretty disappointed that the Fedora customization tools > weren't even mentioned in your March 2008 issue -- considering that it was > one of the biggest features of our Fedora 7 release, which came out almost a > year ago. Was there any particular reason for this oversight? If you need > some help on such an article, I know a bunch of people who would be happy to > provide you with some content, myself included. > > Check out our article from last year: > > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/05/31/remixing-fedora-7/ > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 6 01:06:53 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:06:53 -0800 Subject: name for Fedora compute grid project Message-ID: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> Recently under discussion on f-a-b is the idea of creating a million-node compute grid using Condor and other tools. This might include, for example, the ability to join the grid during firstboot. Catch up on that thread here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html We are suffering from a cool name; we are in danger of calling it "Fedora at Home" in the meantime, and with one pick-up of that name in Fedora Weekly News, someone is going to come pressing trademark rights. Shall we declare it a codename in seek of a replacement? What this thing is: * A cool piece of technology with a grid client and Fedora-run grid master * A way to contribute to Fedora with spare CPU cycles from your machine(s); useful for everyone from Web surfing grandmas to kernel hackers with quad-cores * A chance to create something that Fedorans can use for good projects: - Distributed build-system - Social and technical causes that match with Fedora values/ideals - Cool research It's some kind of convergence, which is why it needs a cool name, right? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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The (very) quick recap: We discussed the Marketing Plan document and made some modifications to the copy currently on the wiki. We discussed Target Audience and Brand Positioning, and our current thoughts are summed up on the Plan page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan We feel like Target Audience is pretty strong, but we're going to continue to iterate over Brand Positioning. Once we have that right, we'll move on to Key Marketing Messages, and then the rest of our lives as a group will probably be spent refining our Strategies and Tactics. Productive discussions, and exciting for people who enjoy the challenge of communicating The Big Fedora Message. Look forward to seeing more and more join the discussion over time. Next meeting: next Thursday, 2000 UTC. (Note to US Americans: don't get caught by the time change! We will have the meeting at 2000 UTC, no matter what that means after we Spring Forward!) --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 22:00:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:00:24 +0000 Subject: Single sourced summary (was Re: Beta Release Notes) In-Reply-To: <1204680147.4141.76.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> <47C950E5.8010102@fedoraproject.org> <47C9E59B.5000905@mwiriadi.id.au> <3263b11b0803031150s25367d26y545051774f574a2c@mail.gmail.com> <1204680147.4141.76.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1204840824.28814.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 17:22 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 19:50 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > On 01/03/2008, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > So whats going on with the single source summary then does that get > > > replaced with the beta release notes? > > The Alpha/Beta release notes (single wiki page) are a subset of the > SingleSourceSummary. > > > I think so for now Marc...got my head in a big spin with the > > SingleSourceSummary! Not sure anybody totally understands it actually, > > though perhaps Karsten does and when he returns things may look > > rosier. For now though, feel free to move content from SSS or add > > stuff to the Release Notes :) > > FWIW, Paul may also understand it, so we have being-hit-by-a-bus > protection. > > Does this explanation work? :: > > Problem -- multiple summaries (relnotes, press releases, wiki pages, > announcements, blog entries, articles) being written for a given release > (Alpha, Beta, RC, Gold), all repeating work; no clear place to go for a > good _summary_ of a given release. > > Solution -- one single page that contains all the _potential_ content > (source) for any one of the given target summaries. Call this the > SingleSourceSummary (SSS). > > What the SSS is not -- > > It is not a page meant to be read of itself: two sections may > contain nearly identical content but be written in two styles, > such as "Big and happy!" and "Terse and descriptive". > > It does not require a consistent writing style for sections: > see above examples > > Stable: expect it to change constantly; don't use it with an > Include() macro but copy/fork This last item is where you lose me, but then again, I'm easily lost (as anyone who's ridden in my car knows). One of the goals of a SSS -- I thought -- was to allow us to include the content elsewhere multiple times, and not have to repeatedly check multiple pages to see that they'd all been changed uniformly. This was a big problem in the last Release Notes cycle where a contributor made a change to one source document, and I (as one of the release notes editors) had to carry that change, and fix the resulting translation POT material, in several documents. > What the SSS is -- > > A resource for *anyone* writing about a given Fedora release > > A collaboration amongst various parts of Fedora -- Marketing, > Docs, Rel Eng, etc. +1 on this though. I wonder whether it bears mentioning that a SSS is a great place for interviewees to go for talking points. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 22:30:02 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:30:02 +0300 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2008-03-06 IRC Log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803061430u52e3bf04padc5d41b22711f94@mail.gmail.com> Mar 06 23:00:57 OK, looks like we've got a few folks around. Shall we get started? Mar 06 23:00:57 word Mar 06 23:00:59 gregdek: fire away, yo Mar 06 23:01:03 yay @ IRC being a collaborative notepad :P Mar 06 23:01:07 * gregdek goes to the agenda. Mar 06 23:01:17 Mar 06 23:01:21 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks Mar 06 23:01:36 Do we have Rahul? Mar 06 23:01:46 mether: You there? Mar 06 23:01:52 * quaid saw mether around recently Mar 06 23:02:02 gregdek: yeah Mar 06 23:02:04 * JonRob has quit ("Lost terminal") Mar 06 23:02:27 1.1.1.2: Target audience. Mar 06 23:02:45 I wrote some things which might not make sense Mar 06 23:02:45 * JonRob (n=jon at exhalls-5.ex.ac.uk) has joined #fedora-mktg Mar 06 23:02:47 Everyone take a look at what mether has. Mar 06 23:02:58 The Plan url: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan Mar 06 23:03:10 Take a look at section 1.1.1.2. Any comments? Mar 06 23:03:45 * gregdek agrees generally. Mar 06 23:03:54 maybe it needs widening slightly? Mar 06 23:04:05 missing "really cool sysadmins" Mar 06 23:04:09 seems to me like fedora's mission has widened a little Mar 06 23:04:11 i don't see my name :P Mar 06 23:04:13 beyond just the distribution Mar 06 23:04:14 kidding Mar 06 23:04:26 JonRob: feel free to expand it Mar 06 23:04:37 how wide? Mar 06 23:04:38 what do you have in mind? Mar 06 23:04:45 well that's what i'm not sure about Mar 06 23:04:48 Heh. Mar 06 23:05:04 target audience should be specific and we shouldn't try to fit everything in IMO Mar 06 23:05:13 but fedora as a community certainly appeals to people such as Creative Commons, and Fedora TV is an interesting direction for us to head Mar 06 23:05:14 how about sysadmins? Mar 06 23:05:29 is perhaps the point i'm getting at Mar 06 23:05:43 Free and open source software developers => Free and open source software and content developers Mar 06 23:05:49 So why is this interesting to Creative Commons? Because they are interested in a derivative distribution, right? Mar 06 23:05:51 i kind of think of fedora as a distro for the people who want to start controlling their computer, instead of the computer controlling them Mar 06 23:06:06 quaid: i think that covers it right Mar 06 23:06:07 quaid: +1 Mar 06 23:06:09 just chuck "open content" in there, that's legit; Mar 06 23:06:18 quaid: +1 works for me Mar 06 23:06:36 why sys admins? Mar 06 23:06:37 Hm. Mar 06 23:06:43 Free and open source enthusiasts => Free and open source enthusiasts and systems maintainers? Mar 06 23:06:47 um, why? Mar 06 23:06:54 The broader the audience = the wider a net we must cast = the more work we all need to do. Mar 06 23:06:55 whats unique about Fedora for them? Mar 06 23:07:06 because it's a rock solid system for server deployments, people use it for that all over the place, and it's a natural step to RHEL sysadmin Mar 06 23:07:18 mether: it's the upstream to RHEL :) Mar 06 23:07:24 * gregdek thinks that's covered by "open source enthusiasts". Mar 06 23:07:24 that's what is unique Mar 06 23:07:35 gregdek: i guess that's part of the trouble with spins that they can widen our audience continually, especially with the art spin etc Mar 06 23:07:36 wouldnt a rock solid server deployment have a longer lifecycle? Mar 06 23:07:39 Remember: the reason for coming up with a target audience is to better target the messaging. Mar 06 23:07:56 mether: meh, splitting hairs Mar 06 23:08:06 how about cutting-edge technologists like NASA? Mar 06 23:08:14 i am not sure. i think server = longer life cycle for many people Mar 06 23:08:18 For every entry in the "audience" category, we need to reconcile our plans to include that entry. Mar 06 23:08:40 s/enthusiasts/enthusiasts such as systems maintainers and leading edge technologists/? Mar 06 23:08:44 i think the server aspect depends on how heavily it'd get used and where Mar 06 23:08:50 quaid: that would work Mar 06 23:08:53 Well, I'm a sysadmin and run Fedora on my desktops/laptop as a way to see what's coming down the pike for my servers. Mar 06 23:08:58 Secondary target, would it make sense to have "third-party developers" as they relate to the ISVs? Or is that an unnecessary artificial construct? Mar 06 23:09:02 like if i wanted to set up my own little in-house server for personal use, i wouldn't hesitate using fedora Mar 06 23:09:12 stickster: isn't that covered in the second bullet Mar 06 23:09:13 s/ISVs/IHVs and ISVs/ Mar 06 23:09:26 but if i wanted a dedicated server for a lot of people to use at once, i would probably aim for more long-term support Mar 06 23:09:26 stickster: the advantage of Fedora is that you dont have to be a third party Mar 06 23:09:45 the wiki is too slow for me. anyone else, feel free to edit if they can Mar 06 23:09:58 * quaid edits Mar 06 23:10:05 quaid++ Mar 06 23:10:11 It may be that we need to focus more narrowly in "primary audience" and allow more latitude in "secondary audience". Mar 06 23:10:24 As in, "primary audience" are folks that we must have *awesome* messaging for. Mar 06 23:10:24 gregdek: that sounds like the right approach to me Mar 06 23:10:28 I'll buy that for $1. Mar 06 23:10:38 i think that's stated more or less too in the overviews and around and about Mar 06 23:10:51 if you have to say only one thing about the target audience for Fedora, what would that be? Mar 06 23:10:54 +1 to narrow primary, allow room in secondary Mar 06 23:11:07 And for me, our *primary* target is free and open source software developers. Mar 06 23:11:15 Who else is clearly *primary*? Mar 06 23:11:25 +1 Mar 06 23:11:31 enthusiasts? Mar 06 23:11:33 Yeah. Mar 06 23:11:42 +1 Mar 06 23:11:44 I'm a little sad that we can't say we're for desktop users who aren't concerned with the MP3/DVD case. Mar 06 23:11:48 * quaid has an edit window, watch out! Mar 06 23:11:54 Specifically because I think enthusiasts -- and I mean true enthusiasts -- are where the developers come from. Mar 06 23:12:10 stickster: I think that's the definition of an "enthusiast." :) Mar 06 23:12:16 stickster: in reality, that probably is not our primary target Mar 06 23:12:36 gregdek: Sure, if you want to be logical. Mar 06 23:12:47 stickster: it is exactly the reason why I put desktop users as a secondary target btw. We dont support proprietary stuff Mar 06 23:12:49 I think every other case we listed is a great secondary target, and we could even add more. Mar 06 23:13:24 i don't think we should leave it solely at developers as primary audience Mar 06 23:13:27 do we want to move any down from the primary list to secondary? Mar 06 23:13:44 right now I have it as is, with the additional language; nothing removed Mar 06 23:13:57 JonRob: I agree. Mar 06 23:13:58 I like developers and enthusiasts as primary. Mar 06 23:14:05 gregdek: +1 Mar 06 23:14:07 +1 Mar 06 23:14:14 or perhaps "freedom lovers" :p Mar 06 23:14:17 leave room for sysadmins, hopefully they fall under enthusiasts. Mar 06 23:14:31 I also like "derivative creators" in primary, but in my mind that includes appliances. Mar 06 23:14:39 Hm. Mar 06 23:14:55 I could go either way on that. Mar 06 23:15:01 We spend a lot of time making sure all our build systems and other supporting structures are free just to make sure someone can do that. Mar 06 23:15:13 It may be primary in terms of strategy, but is it primary in terms of messaging? Mar 06 23:15:37 I think so. I *like* spending time in interviews pointing out that everything we build and do is free. Mar 06 23:15:41 should we specify Mar 06 23:15:45 under secondary Mar 06 23:15:49 gregdek: it must be, surely?! otherwise why bother spending time on something no body is going to hear about? Mar 06 23:15:54 that these are not the targets of messaging? Mar 06 23:15:56 A fair point. Mar 06 23:16:13 -1 to my idea, fwiw Mar 06 23:16:19 Heh. :) Mar 06 23:16:51 OK, so I'll buy "derivative creators" as a primary -- but that's not as... I dunno. Smooth, I want to say. Mar 06 23:16:55 Right. Mar 06 23:17:07 Unless you're already firmly in our world, it probably isn't clear. Mar 06 23:17:07 A better way to say it is needed... Mar 06 23:17:09 "Fedora feeders"? Mar 06 23:17:15 -1 jargon :-D Mar 06 23:17:20 Forkers. Mar 06 23:17:26 :-D Mar 06 23:17:28 All those fooking forkers. :) Mar 06 23:17:29 Motherforkers? Mar 06 23:17:51 Hrm. Mar 06 23:18:02 what the fork Mar 06 23:18:07 I would say "leave it for now," but I'm concerned if we do, we'll never revisit it, heh. Mar 06 23:18:08 How to say... "People who want to copy our awesome model." Mar 06 23:18:11 well, those guys, whatever we call them, we agree they are #1 Mar 06 23:18:11 Mixers and mashers Mar 06 23:18:18 "spiners" Mar 06 23:18:20 jmbuser: aha! Mar 06 23:18:23 FOSS remixers Mar 06 23:18:30 FOSS remixers. Mar 06 23:18:33 I like that. Mar 06 23:18:33 *jinx Mar 06 23:18:35 stickster, "excellent for imitation" Mar 06 23:18:35 +1 Mar 06 23:18:36 sounding like a Dead show here with spinners, mashers ... Mar 06 23:18:50 THE BROWN ACID IS BAD. Mar 06 23:18:53 * quaid fixes that one Mar 06 23:19:04 we're all golden gods? Mar 06 23:19:09 This makes it easy -- "Free and open source enthusiasts, developers, and remixers." Mar 06 23:19:16 Me likey Big Time. Mar 06 23:19:17 +1 Mar 06 23:19:26 and sysadmins. :) Mar 06 23:19:26 1. Simplify. 2. Amplify. :) Mar 06 23:19:32 wakawakawakawaka*BEAT BEAT* Mar 06 23:19:56 OK, I think we've licked target audience. Shall we move on? Mar 06 23:20:00 +1 Mar 06 23:20:14 1.1.2 -- Brand Positioning. That's me! Mar 06 23:20:21 Take a look, and let's have comments. Mar 06 23:20:39 hey that worked, just saved it with those changes, pulling all the others under the one audience Mar 06 23:20:40 gregdek: http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9813113-39.html Mar 06 23:20:58 gregdek: talks about a all purpose linux foundation. sounds grander than derivative distributions? Mar 06 23:21:02 * quaid needs to pass the edit baton Mar 06 23:21:12 have to leave in ~10 minutes Mar 06 23:21:35 Hm. Mar 06 23:21:41 Who wants the edit baton? Mar 06 23:21:45 mether: Maybe. Mar 06 23:22:04 Yikes, the "foundation" terminology overload is a little daunting. Mar 06 23:22:04 gregdek: Pick me Mar 06 23:22:13 jmbuser++ Mar 06 23:22:22 jmbuser: A winner is you! Mar 06 23:23:01 gregdek: I don't know if I can add to 1.1.2 Mar 06 23:23:07 It's so... beautiful... Mar 06 23:23:13 I'm perfect, as always! Mar 06 23:23:16 User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed by Mar 06 23:23:20 Surely someone has something ribald to say. Mar 06 23:23:21 that sentence is incomplete Mar 06 23:23:25 Except "cam" ==> "can" in point 3. Mar 06 23:23:48 gregdek: when you've laid down for FLOSS for so long, it just rolls of your tongue? Mar 06 23:23:51 See? mether's paying attention. Stickster is just grab-assing. Mar 06 23:23:52 Sorry, I was only looking at the Points of Difference section. Mar 06 23:23:59 gregdek: Is it Friday already? Mar 06 23:24:06 Fedora is the responsible elder brother of the free software world Mar 06 23:24:10 not sure that is a good analogy Mar 06 23:24:18 s/brother/sibling/ ? Mar 06 23:24:23 tomorrow paul Mar 06 23:24:25 umm what about the friends bit: sounds a little like we're exlcuding people who don't agree with us Mar 06 23:24:30 I'll leave it up for debate, but I like it lots. Mar 06 23:24:41 maybe we could emphasise convincing people a little more :) Mar 06 23:24:45 Friends. We care about the people around us who care about the things that we care about. Mar 06 23:24:56 we care that they care enough to convince other people? Mar 06 23:25:01 I care about my friend even though he cares about completely different things Mar 06 23:25:06 * jmbuser going into edit mode Mar 06 23:25:14 Fedora: we're not brown Mar 06 23:25:19 Then "friends" is the wrong word. Mar 06 23:25:26 tw2113: heh :) Mar 06 23:25:31 "We care about the people around us, even if they're not paying attention." Mar 06 23:25:37 No, wait, that's wrong. Mar 06 23:25:38 stickster: +1 Mar 06 23:25:44 no i think it's good Mar 06 23:25:44 My opinion: we care about the mission, and we care *a lot* about supporting other people who also care about our mission. Mar 06 23:26:10 * stickster will have to learn not to joke without signifying. Mar 06 23:26:11 Because to be honest, I don't care all that much about the Windows user who doesn't give a toss about free software. Mar 06 23:26:28 so lets say Mar 06 23:26:29 But I care *deeply* about the folks -- my friends -- who sacrifice their time and energies to make free software better. Mar 06 23:26:30 Fedora -- the defensive driver of FOSS. Mar 06 23:26:33 gregdek: surely we need to let them understand why we care though? Mar 06 23:27:01 or are we positioning ourselves more as a solid foundation for those who actually want to take the fight forwards? Mar 06 23:27:12 Foundation for freedom? Mar 06 23:27:14 JonRob: +1 to that last bit. Mar 06 23:27:19 Foundation For Freedom. Mar 06 23:27:23 * jmbuser did a save Mar 06 23:27:24 Yeah, we need another F. Mar 06 23:27:26 :) Mar 06 23:27:31 I'm down with that. Mar 06 23:27:36 that could be a slogan. we need one Mar 06 23:27:50 we're still going to need to care about people who don't understand. Mar 06 23:27:59 "The Future, First" -- that's my slogan. Mar 06 23:28:11 people ask at the Fedora booth, why they should are, or why what we do is good. Mar 06 23:28:18 s/are/care/ Mar 06 23:28:39 Back to these points -- "Friends: We care about the people around us, especially those who are devoted to freedom" Mar 06 23:28:41 Foundation For Software Freedom if you want to be more specific Mar 06 23:28:52 Or Content Freedom. Mar 06 23:29:03 content freedom? Mar 06 23:29:03 right Mar 06 23:29:07 Hey, we're the FSF! Mar 06 23:29:13 yes, i feel we should push free culture as a whole rather than just free software Mar 06 23:29:14 * stickster falls over.. Mar 06 23:29:17 The Foundation for Software Freedom! Mar 06 23:29:33 gregdek: i think we should use it, just to see the reactions! Mar 06 23:29:34 "Who's that over there?" "He's the Free Software Foundation." "SPLITTER!" Mar 06 23:29:40 :-D Mar 06 23:29:48 * gregdek giggles helplessly. Mar 06 23:29:52 maybe "First" can be "Future" Mar 06 23:29:58 gregdek: Chair, you lout! Chair! Mar 06 23:30:13 :) Mar 06 23:30:15 Foundation of Freedom Fighters For Your Future Mar 06 23:30:19 FFFFF Mar 06 23:30:21 All right. Mar 06 23:30:30 problem I see with future, first is that it doesnt say anything about what we do Mar 06 23:30:32 Is the last edit saved yet? Mar 06 23:30:36 F5 Mar 06 23:30:42 but IMO, we need a good slogan anyway Mar 06 23:30:49 what exactly? Mar 06 23:30:57 I still like Infinity Freedom Voice Mar 06 23:31:03 Well, let's table the Slogan idea for right now. Mar 06 23:31:09 yeah Mar 06 23:31:13 lets discuss that later Mar 06 23:31:14 +1 Mar 06 23:31:16 Let's make sure that we've got the elements of the Brand Essence correct. Mar 06 23:31:18 "on list" Mar 06 23:31:28 gregdek: And the Parity Points issue. Mar 06 23:31:39 "Freedom / Friends / Features / First". Mar 06 23:31:44 Is that sufficient or not? Mar 06 23:31:55 sufficient++ Mar 06 23:32:00 I really kind of like the idea of adding Foundation, now that it's been mentioned. Mar 06 23:32:09 +1 Mar 06 23:32:12 I like foundation here too. Mar 06 23:32:12 F5 is much better than F4 anyway Mar 06 23:32:19 More destructive. Mar 06 23:32:22 (being, you know, not TM'd by Marvel) Mar 06 23:32:23 Oh, wait. Mar 06 23:32:25 Especially now that we've noted that remixers are a core target audience. Mar 06 23:32:37 Framework instead of foundation? Mar 06 23:32:46 Hm. Mar 06 23:32:51 jmbuser: Too jargon-y. Mar 06 23:32:55 Yeah. That. Mar 06 23:32:56 i think we need to tune the definition of whom we call friends. Mar 06 23:32:58 :-( Mar 06 23:32:59 did we decide on that? Mar 06 23:33:01 also People interested in security enhancements like SELinux. Either development or consumption Mar 06 23:33:04 is that a core audience? Mar 06 23:33:14 I tucked it under enthusiasts Mar 06 23:33:14 Foundation = the very strong base. Framework = tinkertoys. Mar 06 23:33:14 No. Mar 06 23:33:24 Freedom. Fedora is completely committed to the growth of free software in a way that no other operating system cam match. Mar 06 23:33:40 Wait... Mar 06 23:33:42 should that be stated less in terms of competition? Mar 06 23:33:48 we better not forget that we're going to have to explain these things to people Mar 06 23:33:53 No, it's a point of difference Mar 06 23:33:55 * gregdek looks back at the "primary target" section. Mar 06 23:34:06 Didn't we agree to narrow it a lot more than that? Mar 06 23:34:09 why is fedora more capable of growing free software? Mar 06 23:34:15 * jmbuser adding Foundation? Mar 06 23:34:29 mether: We should be talking in Points of Difference about where Fedora stands out from other FOSS platforms. Mar 06 23:34:29 just as an eg Mar 06 23:34:29 not a quesion that needs answering now Mar 06 23:34:29 gregdek: primary target == "FOSS enthusiasts, developers, and remixers" I thought. Mar 06 23:34:54 But that may be my ego speaking. Mar 06 23:34:54 stickster: I thought so too. Mar 06 23:35:10 jmbuser +1 Mar 06 23:35:10 jmbuser: yeah Mar 06 23:35:10 jmbuser: can you re-edit the "target audience primary market" thing, and also add Foundation? Mar 06 23:35:25 * jmbuser jumps into edit mode Mar 06 23:35:54 ...slowly Mar 06 23:36:06 gregdek: I thought Foundation was to be added to 1.1.2 under "Core Brand Essence" Mar 06 23:36:08 [14:35] Announcement from my owner (mmcgrath): We've had a burp on one of our servers, some web services (wiki) and koji will be down for a moment. Mar 06 23:36:12 might be why it's slow Mar 06 23:36:22 Sigh. Mar 06 23:36:36 tw2113: just saw a whloe load of "host down" announcements - was scary! Mar 06 23:36:54 it is not even accessible for me now Mar 06 23:36:58 Well. Mar 06 23:37:03 server is being rebooted. Mar 06 23:37:09 one of the xen hosts. Mar 06 23:37:13 Looks like our meeting might be abended -- or at least delayed a bit. :) Mar 06 23:37:24 lets continue discussing what we need to do Mar 06 23:37:34 Apparently you guys have not hugged the sysadmins enough today. Mar 06 23:37:56 we thought that was your job Paul Mar 06 23:37:57 part of being the leader and whatnot Mar 06 23:38:09 stickster: take the blame take the blame Mar 06 23:38:09 I'm a hugger. Ask anyone. Mar 06 23:38:28 You're right! [sobs violently] I DIDN'T HUG TODAY! Mar 06 23:38:41 OK. Mar 06 23:38:50 Points of Parity / Points of Difference? Mar 06 23:38:56 Any questions / concerns there? Mar 06 23:38:58 Parity == equality, yes? Mar 06 23:39:01 Yes. Mar 06 23:39:03 gregdek: i cant see it Mar 06 23:39:07 gregdek: paste it? Mar 06 23:39:10 So why does our point there basically say "Best user experience"? Mar 06 23:39:11 * jmbuser will update when possible Mar 06 23:39:21 Because in my mind, that's stating a differentiator Mar 06 23:39:30 * quaid bails for kiddle pickup and dispersal Mar 06 23:39:37 == "none better". <> "best". Mar 06 23:39:44 Bye quaid. Mar 06 23:39:53 gregdek: Wellll... OK. Mar 06 23:40:04 what do we do with the marketing plan once we have it. Are Red Hat marketing folks helping us after this? Mar 06 23:40:04 User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed. Mar 06 23:40:04 :) Mar 06 23:40:10 mether: Certainly they will. Mar 06 23:40:27 I was hoping joadams would be here, but he's unavailable, it seems. Mar 06 23:40:31 He'll be back around, though. Mar 06 23:40:36 * jmbuser achieves edit mode Mar 06 23:40:45 Once we actually nail our message, they'll be able to help a lot with strategy and tactics. Mar 06 23:40:51 gregdek: OK, I see -- basically "as good or better than anything you've tried." Mar 06 23:40:57 stickster: Right. Mar 06 23:41:05 Where can we extend that definition? Mar 06 23:41:15 ...unclear. Mar 06 23:41:33 *Without getting too geeky!* --> Hardware support. Installed a driver lately? Mar 06 23:41:46 Hm, nice. Mar 06 23:41:47 The "Just Works" phenomenon Mar 06 23:41:51 Yeah. Mar 06 23:41:57 We've got to tread carefully there, though. Mar 06 23:42:02 are you talking about proprietary drivers there? Mar 06 23:42:11 No, muddles the message. Mar 06 23:42:12 Because if the hardware is goofy, "Just Works" isn't actually true. Mar 06 23:42:15 "Have you hugged your 'just works' OS yet?" Mar 06 23:42:26 This is where the messaging gets difficult. Mar 06 23:42:29 I don't think so. Mar 06 23:42:40 I am not sure our message of free software only works well with the idea of Mar 06 23:42:42 just works Mar 06 23:42:47 For most hardware on some other O/S'es you have to go through a very complicated dance just to make anything work. Mar 06 23:42:47 * geroldka (n=Gerold at fedora/geroldka) has left #fedora-mktg ("Leaving") Mar 06 23:43:03 Here, even if it's not whiz-bango, it will likely work to an acceptable degree. Mar 06 23:43:12 does this not fall under messaging rather than brand essence? Mar 06 23:43:21 But the message fails in some very basic cases. Transferring video, for instance. Mar 06 23:43:23 (positioning even) Mar 06 23:43:35 * jmbuser made changes Mar 06 23:43:36 The essence == plugging things in just works. Mar 06 23:43:40 We want to say "the best of free software". We cannot honestly say "just works". Mar 06 23:43:53 gregdek: right. I think we cant honestly advertise just works as an idea for Fedora Mar 06 23:43:55 The "plugging things in" simplifies the case. Mar 06 23:43:56 gregdek: +1 Mar 06 23:44:29 stickster: You'll thank us for this later when someone says "bullshit just works, my video camera is totally broken." :) Mar 06 23:44:48 * stickster goes back to his ivory tower. Mar 06 23:44:52 lol Mar 06 23:45:08 Buy better shit! Mar 06 23:45:11 So what did we come up with as our "answer"? Because I'm not sure. Mar 06 23:45:11 :-D Mar 06 23:45:19 so that's where the leader's office is Mar 06 23:45:34 He directs his armies with a laser pen. Mar 06 23:45:53 (Laser pen: the secret to catherding.) Mar 06 23:45:58 Can we talk about parity with upstream here without referring to upstream? Mar 06 23:45:59 * tw2113 apologizes for being all jokes and hardly contributing seriously Mar 06 23:46:08 I.e., new like they are? Mar 06 23:46:12 stickster: That's kind of what I'm trying to do, yeah. Mar 06 23:46:14 "As new or newer" Mar 06 23:46:28 "Just as GNOME-y as they are!" Mar 06 23:46:38 "If not GNOME-y-er!" Mar 06 23:46:44 lol Mar 06 23:46:54 * jmbuser got 502 error - going back in Mar 06 23:46:55 Let me put it this way: Mar 06 23:47:15 Yeah, wiki's back up if anyone cares to read along again. Mar 06 23:47:16 What message are we ready to shout repeatedly at an event? Mar 06 23:47:49 best of free software is a message I am very comfortable with Mar 06 23:47:59 what about the messages on Mairin's generic posters? Mar 06 23:48:13 * Sonar_Guy has quit ("Leaving") Mar 06 23:48:15 best of free software and open content could be possible Mar 06 23:48:16 Person A says "Ubuntu is better". Fedora defender says "show me how Ubuntu is 'better', and I'll show you a bad compromise that hurts free software". Mar 06 23:48:26 That's my standard line. Mar 06 23:48:42 JonRob: 1. I love Mairin's posters. 2. We don't want to harness ourselves to a three-word slogan that didn't get dissected in this kind of plan Mar 06 23:48:56 JonRob: We can definitely include them, and fit them in properly though Mar 06 23:49:04 * gregdek looks at the clock. Mar 06 23:49:08 onward! Mar 06 23:49:09 Do we want to table this one and move on? Mar 06 23:49:13 stickster: np, was just a thought as it seemed like thye were ready made Mar 06 23:49:24 What do we think of the "Brand Personality"? Mar 06 23:49:24 i'll 2nd a table Mar 06 23:49:27 gregdek: I think we run a risk of tabling too much Mar 06 23:49:30 JonRob: are you editing Mar 06 23:49:37 mether: no Mar 06 23:49:40 stickster: We're going to have to come back and back over this ground anyway. Mar 06 23:49:50 Fair enough, then Mar 06 23:49:52 JonRob: ok. so I will Mar 06 23:50:28 "Brand Personality" -- to me, this means a personification of what the person who loves our brand is like. Mar 06 23:50:56 And I wrote my take on that. Mar 06 23:50:58 Nerd Like Me. Mar 06 23:50:59 always wears his button up shirt open Mar 06 23:51:22 is a fan of hats Mar 06 23:51:30 Heh. Mar 06 23:51:33 * jmbuser did the edits - please review Mar 06 23:51:43 Fun-loving, but knows when to say when. Mar 06 23:51:59 loves to tinker Mar 06 23:52:14 Gives up the seat to elderly and pregnant women. Mar 06 23:52:14 wants free access to anywhere he goes? Mar 06 23:52:34 gregdek: I like the edler brother imagery Mar 06 23:52:43 Is willing to suffer discomfort for the challenge of making something better. Mar 06 23:52:44 s /edler /elder / Mar 06 23:52:50 Stoic. Mar 06 23:52:56 But not too awful stoic. Mar 06 23:53:01 Makes the tough calls Mar 06 23:53:04 Stoic, but really wordy. Mar 06 23:53:13 the big brother that won't beat you up for playing for the other team, but will try to pursuade you over Mar 06 23:53:17 A good communist like you see in old Russian posters. Mar 06 23:53:22 gregdek: XX FAIL Mar 06 23:53:27 :) Mar 06 23:53:27 eyes upward Mar 06 23:53:28 haha Mar 06 23:53:36 Eyes upward! Exactly! Mar 06 23:53:41 tw2113: would be such an awesome poster!! Mar 06 23:53:48 sleeve rolled up with a wrench in one hand Mar 06 23:53:50 "They Had Their Eyes on Heaven." Mar 06 23:53:57 Rosie the Riveter! Mar 06 23:54:03 I'm telling you. Those communists knew their propaganda. Social realism. Mar 06 23:54:06 oh that could be an awesome poster Mar 06 23:54:08 "They had their eyes on the infinite abyss" Mar 06 23:54:14 That sounds... scary Mar 06 23:54:17 what's all this "had" Mar 06 23:54:22 has :) Mar 06 23:54:23 have* Mar 06 23:54:31 or have yes lol Mar 06 23:54:39 gazing on infinity Mar 06 23:54:39 anyway...where is this heading exactly? Mar 06 23:54:42 "With Fedora, the terrorists haven't won" Mar 06 23:54:53 We're not being funny, we're really trying to figure out a personality. Mar 06 23:54:56 Where this is going: Mar 06 23:55:04 Shadowman is a personality, but he personifies Red Hat, for example. Mar 06 23:55:04 Well, what stickster said. Mar 06 23:55:12 We're looking for the personification of our brand. Mar 06 23:55:12 * stickster gives back the thunda Mar 06 23:55:23 Just like Shadowman has become the personification of the Red Hat brand. Mar 06 23:55:28 ok cool - just like to keep my head straight :) Mar 06 23:55:30 aw carpy! i have to leave soon Mar 06 23:55:39 Yeah, we're running up on our hour. Mar 06 23:55:40 Spartacus. Mar 06 23:55:46 I AM SPARTACUS! Mar 06 23:55:58 If you want the movie personification of Fedora, that's it. Mar 06 23:56:02 Spartacus. Braveheart. Mar 06 23:56:07 This Is Fedora Mar 06 23:56:09 Gladiator Mar 06 23:56:18 http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=rosie+the+riveter&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1 Mar 06 23:56:19 Ben Hur. Mar 06 23:56:24 Well, except William Wallace slept with someone else's wife, which is arguably not kosher. Mar 06 23:56:25 i really think awesome stuff could be done with this Mar 06 23:56:33 (in the movie, no idea about IRL) Mar 06 23:56:33 and because it's a well known image would have a lot of impact Mar 06 23:56:34 stickster: Killjoy. Mar 06 23:56:36 gregdek: lol Mar 06 23:56:42 OK... Mar 06 23:56:58 MS has a real heroes campaign going on - just to let you know Mar 06 23:57:00 ...so let's think more about this and maybe comment on-list. Mar 06 23:57:00 i'm thinking of an audio clip for a prowrestler that i could maybe make into something about Fedora Mar 06 23:57:00 :) Mar 06 23:57:03 i'll check it out later Mar 06 23:57:17 jmbuser: So did Hitler, I think. Mar 06 23:57:19 That leaves Strategy and Tactics, which we haven't even touched yet, and we're at the end of our hour. Mar 06 23:57:45 * stickster can keep going but is sensitive to others' valuable time. Mar 06 23:58:00 * gregdek can keep going for another 1/2hr, for those who can join us. Mar 06 23:58:05 i'm good for 10 more mins Mar 06 23:58:13 * jmbuser is fine with that Mar 06 23:58:14 * iWolf is still here Mar 06 23:58:20 i'm good for as long as it takes to get dressed for work Mar 06 23:58:30 tw2113: the secret is layers Mar 06 23:58:33 Do we want to dig into S+T? Mar 06 23:58:35 gregdek: onward! Mar 06 23:58:37 i'll just read the minutes for what i miss Mar 06 23:58:43 S+T! jonrob? Mar 06 23:58:48 yeah sure let's do it Mar 06 23:59:06 Warning: this is huge and will take multiple meetings. :) Mar 06 23:59:21 right. Mar 06 23:59:30 (In fact, will likely be the heart of this group does, once we've established the basics.) Mar 06 23:59:44 Any comments on what we've got so far? Mar 06 23:59:54 Maybe it makes more sense, then, to make sure we've nailed down the foregoing parts. Mar 07 00:00:11 Hm. Mar 07 00:00:12 Maybe. Mar 07 00:00:16 * iWolf made comments on the list Mar 07 00:00:19 Since we'll live in that section for{ever, longer}. Mar 07 00:00:28 stickster: my only question is what of the short/medium terms Mar 07 00:00:28 (oops... /me must wander afk, brb...) Mar 07 00:00:34 this document aims to make a difference long-term Mar 07 00:00:43 but i think we really need to make improvements in the short term too Mar 07 00:00:45 o noez! we had a leeder but dey eated him. Mar 07 00:01:01 what is working and what is not working in whatever we have tried so far Mar 07 00:01:05 lets get to that Mar 07 00:01:13 mether: +1 Mar 07 00:01:34 i see some articles getting diggs and some just getting lost in the interviews we make for example Mar 07 00:01:36 Things which work: * Our release schedule. (predictability) Mar 07 00:01:43 talk to you all later Mar 07 00:01:44 but interviews in general are a good strategy Mar 07 00:01:53 tw2113: bye :) Mar 07 00:02:07 mether: Notice that the one article which concerned the larger world (Jack + NASA) got a HUGE uptake on digg. Mar 07 00:02:13 since it keeps us in the news and highlights our contributions. makes our contributors proud Mar 07 00:02:15 tw2113: bye Mar 07 00:02:18 stickster: true Mar 07 00:02:24 I think we need to strive for relevance beyond just the FOSS community. Mar 07 00:02:39 NASA article most dugg Fedora article of all time Mar 07 00:02:47 wikipedia is a big Fedora user. Have we approached them? Mar 07 00:02:52 mether: Great idea! Mar 07 00:02:56 mether: i had no idea Mar 07 00:02:58 but it's a damn good idea Mar 07 00:03:00 +1 Mar 07 00:03:07 Google is too, but somehow I think we may not get as much traction there ;-) Mar 07 00:03:24 Google has a brown tint ltely Mar 07 00:03:29 JonRob: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers Mar 07 00:03:39 s / ltely /lately / Mar 07 00:03:39 but then the question remains, what medium do we use? Mar 07 00:04:04 jmbuser: ? Mar 07 00:04:23 there are two things to be done Mar 07 00:04:39 find out the big users and promote that. figure out how to retain them and solve their issues Mar 07 00:04:52 (while remaining true to our mission) Mar 07 00:05:02 it will help us understand out strong points too Mar 07 00:05:11 * jmbuser refers to recent hostings of other distro's conferences Mar 07 00:05:16 mether: +1 Mar 07 00:05:34 Wow, I walk away and you guys start a *real* meeting. Mar 07 00:05:38 jmbuser: They've also funded at least one FUDCon that I know of. Mar 07 00:05:48 s/funded/funded in part/ Mar 07 00:05:48 I am pretty sure a lot of RHEL users use Fedora in parallel Mar 07 00:05:59 thats where Red Hat marketing can help Mar 07 00:06:01 mether: What's the second thing? Mar 07 00:06:02 stickster: How come I never heard about it? Mar 07 00:06:05 Or was that it? Mar 07 00:06:10 stickster: that was it Mar 07 00:06:13 yeah, i was about to ask if RedHat could help us find out who's using Fedora Mar 07 00:06:16 ok Mar 07 00:06:45 jmbuser: fudcon boston 2007 - they were one of the sponsors Mar 07 00:06:51 It may or may not be possible for some or all of them to tell us as a matter of competitive strategery Mar 07 00:07:12 If you do or don't ask me, the above notwithstanding Mar 07 00:07:36 sure. so let's say we talk to the ones that are willing to talk to us Mar 07 00:07:47 My point is that Ubuntu has the perception of being really tight with Google, which lets them bask in Google's reflected glory Mar 07 00:07:56 eof Mar 07 00:08:23 we dont need to pick a fight on that account to win Mar 07 00:08:24 jmbuser: Good. Mar 07 00:08:34 Because it's time for us to associate with wikia. :) Mar 07 00:08:39 * stickster thought that was all hoax anyway. Mar 07 00:08:43 But yeah, who cares? Mar 07 00:08:59 * stickster likes the tie in between wikia, distributed web crawling, and the new Fedora @Home idea. Mar 07 00:09:04 Ding ding ding. Mar 07 00:09:16 There's gonna be a *ton* of cool stuff we can do with that. Mar 07 00:09:27 In fact, and I think we may be moving more into board-level strategy here... Mar 07 00:09:31 yeah. I think we got the message of innovation out there with atleast a few different projects Mar 07 00:09:37 smolt is one Mar 07 00:09:40 SELinux is another Mar 07 00:09:57 spins Mar 07 00:10:08 We should keep promoting transifex too. Fedora at home could be the next big thing Mar 07 00:10:12 pulseaudio Mar 07 00:10:14 * stickster interjects once again that what sells papers is Relevance to the Common Man. Even on the interwebz. Mar 07 00:10:21 ...a comprehensive agreement with Jimbo Wales to strengthen the Fedora/Wikia branding, including using Wikia as our default search in Firefox/Iceweasel/whatever, would make a *HUGE* statement about what we *really* think about Google. Mar 07 00:10:22 along with Virtualization Mar 07 00:10:37 gregdek: +1 Mar 07 00:10:39 gregdek +1 Mar 07 00:10:49 great association Mar 07 00:10:55 so, as a follow up, who wants to get in touch with the wikia people? Mar 07 00:10:59 I will. Mar 07 00:11:02 gregdek: how does that match with the agreement with Google that is ongoing now? Mar 07 00:11:05 Actually, I'll ask Jack to. Mar 07 00:11:09 What agreement? Mar 07 00:11:12 mether: That agreement is dead. Mar 07 00:11:19 We agree... to disagree. Mar 07 00:11:25 there has been one under discussion for a long while Mar 07 00:11:29 afaik Mar 07 00:11:32 The one at the board level? Mar 07 00:11:35 yes Mar 07 00:11:36 The one I was spearheading? Mar 07 00:11:40 lol Mar 07 00:11:45 gregdek: YES Mar 07 00:11:51 The one that I killed earlier this week because Google lawyers are intractable? Mar 07 00:11:53 That one? Mar 07 00:11:54 :) Mar 07 00:12:02 * stickster has paroxysms Mar 07 00:12:03 you never informed us. so... Mar 07 00:12:07 ... Mar 07 00:12:09 :-( Mar 07 00:12:13 I sent it to the board. Mar 07 00:12:13 anyway, so lets talk to wikia then Mar 07 00:12:23 Sorry, I should have sent it out more broadly. Mar 07 00:12:34 stickster: should I resend that note to f-a-l? Mar 07 00:12:38 i think it also sends a strong singal of us leading innvoation, as was done with the wifi drivers etc too Mar 07 00:13:05 gregdek: I don't know... it was all theoretical as far as I could see -- was there actual Board work on this pre-February? Mar 07 00:13:20 gregdek: i think you should announce the agreement with wikia asap. Mar 07 00:13:23 * gregdek hrms. Mar 07 00:13:26 It would be great if we had one first. Mar 07 00:13:30 lol Mar 07 00:13:32 Well, people who read the irc logs will know. :) Mar 07 00:13:34 thats the hint Mar 07 00:13:39 * gregdek shrugs. Mar 07 00:13:48 swymamwys. Mar 07 00:13:52 anyway, move on Mar 07 00:14:01 I don't think anyone outside of a few people will care that "the Fedora deal with Google that wasn't coming through still isn't coming through." Mar 07 00:14:10 disco. Mar 07 00:14:10 But I think *a ton* of people will care if we can make a deal with Wikia. Mar 07 00:14:17 Therefore, I will work on Jimbo. sok? Mar 07 00:14:27 sure Mar 07 00:14:27 gregdek: This we should definitely post on f-a-b. Mar 07 00:15:13 stickster: It may involve breaking partnership with Mozilla, since helping them maintain their deal with Google seems to be part of our deal to use the Firefox name. Mar 07 00:15:13 So I think we can definitely tie this in to S&T -- users --> contributors in Fedora-land. Mar 07 00:15:25 (Sorry, I'll take this offline.( Mar 07 00:16:05 np Mar 07 00:16:14 i think i'm about done with this for the evening Mar 07 00:16:43 (lol sorry, that sounded way more negative than i meant - been a rough day here!) Mar 07 00:16:52 Ha! Mar 07 00:17:01 * jmbuser makes last call for wiki edit Mar 07 00:17:03 I think we've had a great meeting, but I think it's breaking up. Mar 07 00:17:15 We did in fact hit some S&T heer. Mar 07 00:17:16 *here Mar 07 00:17:56 My constant reiteration is going to be "relevance." Someone said to me the other day, with regard to the Fedora @Home MRG thing, "We could help SETI!" Mar 07 00:18:06 My response was basically, "Screw that, we could help kids with cancer." Mar 07 00:18:20 stickster: is very true Mar 07 00:18:21 After which I realized, "We could do both," was right. Mar 07 00:18:37 anyhow all, Mar 07 00:18:42 But one of those will "sell papers." Three guesses which! Mar 07 00:18:43 nice to speak to everyone as always Mar 07 00:19:06 are we doing this same time next week? i might not be here actually, going home for easter :) Mar 07 00:19:31 I would like to, yes. Mar 07 00:19:48 Even if not everyone shows. I think consistent meeting times are incredibly important. Mar 07 00:19:56 ok - good by me Mar 07 00:20:01 * jmbuser will publish log Mar 07 00:20:06 thanks all, and best wishes :) Mar 07 00:20:11 yep Mar 07 00:20:18 * JonRob has quit ("Lost terminal") Mar 07 00:20:25 everybody else Mar 07 00:20:30 refresh once the marketing plan page Mar 07 00:20:36 and see if there is something we disagree with Mar 07 00:20:45 since a number of edits have been made Mar 07 00:21:55 did everyone leave? Mar 07 00:22:16 Heh. Mar 07 00:22:20 I did. Mar 07 00:24:00 mether: what happened to FOSS mixers? seems to be deleted from your last save Mar 07 00:24:20 nah Mar 07 00:24:22 it is still there Mar 07 00:24:26 jmbuser: Are you still editing? Mar 07 00:24:55 mether got the last edit in - I got 502 error :-) Mar 07 00:28:16 * stickster fixes the market w/hubris. Mar 07 00:28:27 Is anyone calling the meeting? Mar 07 00:28:41 * jmbuser needs to know where to end log Mar 07 00:29:16 you can end when jonrob left Mar 07 00:29:19 From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Mar 6 23:06:00 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:06:00 +0000 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine Message-ID: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I had the opportunity to ask Joe Cassad from Linux Magazine about how they come across ideas for stories and articles, and what Fedora can do to make it easier for them to find stories about Fedora. The most important part of the response I got was this Me: > * In an ideal world, how would you like to go about getting > information about a project like Fedora when trying to find material > for new articles? Essentially, what can Fedora do for you to make your > job easier!? > Joe: I'm not sure where you are on this now, but one thing I have noticed in the past is that it is difficult to get good documentation on Fedora until after the release. If I don't get to see a detailed description of highlights or new features until the release notes appear, this task of finding good article topics can't start until the release. It then takes a couple months to get an article and a couple more months to edit and print the magazine. If there were a way to get better documentation before the release, that would help a lot. I don't know if you're having to content with non-disclosure strategies here, so maybe this isn't possible. Me: > Do you know about our FeatureList page? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList > Joe: OK. That's useful to know about. I'll watch that list. The important part is the description. Some of these features have useful descriptions some are not as easy to understand at a glance. --------------- What do people think? Maybe the SSS could help us here? And the FeatureList could be promoted more/cleaned up by marketing or docs people? Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 6 23:20:23 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:50:23 +0530 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D07C37.2020701@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Joe: > OK. That's useful to know about. I'll watch that list. The important > part is the description. Some of these features have useful > descriptions some are not as easy to understand at a glance. > > --------------- > > What do people think? Maybe the SSS could help us here? And the > FeatureList could be promoted more/cleaned up by marketing or docs > people? Which descriptions don't make sense either in the summary or after reading the specification. I think these are fairly good descriptions considering they are essentially developer specifications. Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 23:25:47 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:25:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Joe: > I'm not sure where you are on this now, but one thing I have noticed in > the past is that it is difficult to get good documentation on Fedora > until after the release. If I don't get to see a detailed description > of highlights or new features until the release notes appear, this task > of finding good article topics can't start until the release. > > --------------- > > What do people think? Maybe the SSS could help us here? And the > FeatureList could be promoted more/cleaned up by marketing or docs > people? Maybe an official news blog-type-thing, most likely on the front page, would help get news out to other larger Linux news sites. (I'm not necessarily sure if this has been attempted before already.) Are press releases also an option? Both could be used when announcements are made about features, new alphas/betas are available, etc. -- ian From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 7 18:22:41 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:22:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: ext4 Implementation Interview Message-ID: <39727.40663.qm@web39205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey all, It's that time of week again and a new interview is up. This time it's with Eric Sandeen and all about the new ext4 implementation that are going to be landing in F9. And the urls: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen and digg it here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Eric_Sandeen_ext4_Implementation_in_Fedora_9 More news to come!!! Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail, > o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Mar 7 19:14:40 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Res: ext4 Implementation Interview Message-ID: <204144.21316.qm@web39202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damm HTML... Sorry guys. The post in all News websites and planet.fedoraproject is ok. Cheers, Rodrigo ----- Mensagem original ---- De: Rodrigo Menezes Para: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Cc: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com; communications at redhat.com Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 7 de Mar?o de 2008 14:22:41 Assunto: ext4 Implementation Interview Hey all, It's that time of week again and a new interview is up. This time it's with Eric Sandeen and all about the new ext4 implementation that are going to be landing in F9. And the urls: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen and digg it here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Eric_Sandeen_ext4_Implementation_in_Fedora_9 More news to come!!! Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 20:20:52 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:20:52 -0900 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: <47D07C37.2020701@fedoraproject.org> References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> <47D07C37.2020701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910803071220u105dab52i89845724f826d1f1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Which descriptions don't make sense either in the summary or after > reading the specification. I think these are fairly good descriptions > considering they are essentially developer specifications. How about this as a compromise.... What if we leave the feature process development driven.. but we hook in a way for someone who is perusing the feature summaries to easily drop a comment or a note if they want a layperson explanation. The notes would go to a marketing group..maybe even this list...an answer is formulated and sent back to the person who asked the the explanation and additionally linked in to the feature summary on the feature list without disturbing the development oriented information there. This might even be useful in figuring out where the next developer interview opportunities are. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 20:22:27 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:22:27 -0900 Subject: name for Fedora compute grid project In-Reply-To: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910803071222y4f0cfd33td15a7038423ba106@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/5 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > What this thing is: > > * A cool piece of technology with a grid client and Fedora-run grid > master > * A way to contribute to Fedora with spare CPU cycles from your > machine(s); useful for everyone from Web surfing grandmas to kernel > hackers with quad-cores > * A chance to create something that Fedorans can use for good projects: > - Distributed build-system > - Social and technical causes that match with Fedora values/ideals > - Cool research > > It's some kind of convergence, which is why it needs a cool name, right? Are we explicitly saying that non-Fedora clients aren't going to be able to participate? -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 20:35:39 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:35:39 -0900 Subject: Fedora on the Final Frontier In-Reply-To: <1204679755.4141.75.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47C72225.6050502@fedoraproject.org> <47C79224.7060203@yahoo.com.br> <604aa7910802282202je46e3f2hb8feb0ce2bafe17e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910802290926o1d707c8epe250a2a596dd1e38@mail.gmail.com> <1204679755.4141.75.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910803071235rf5d40bco19da80699a780b64@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/4 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > Hmmm ... at least these two ideas need humans to parse them, for various > spammish and nicety reasons. We need a team! I volunteer. Anyone > else? Would collecting stories be something we invited our friends at fedoraforum to take a stab at? Obviously there would be some round of vetting and editting if we were going to make use of them. But could we make use of fedoraforum to collect a large pool of stories as a first step in the proccess? -jef From jorge.izaac at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 21:07:58 2008 From: jorge.izaac at gmail.com (izaac zavaleta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:07:58 -0700 Subject: ext4 Implementation Interview In-Reply-To: <204144.21316.qm@web39202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <204144.21316.qm@web39202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No problem man, and I forgot to say, excellent job with the Interview! ;D On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rodrigo Menezes < rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > Damm HTML... > > Sorry guys. The post in all News websites and planet.fedoraproject is ok. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo > > > ----- Mensagem original ---- > De: Rodrigo Menezes > Para: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Cc: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com; communications at redhat.com > Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 7 de Mar?o de 2008 14:22:41 > Assunto: ext4 Implementation Interview > > Hey all, > > It's that time of week again and a new interview is up. This time it's > with Eric Sandeen and all about the new ext4 implementation that are going > to be landing in F9. > > And the urls: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen > > and digg it here: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Eric_Sandeen_ext4_Implementation_in_Fedora_9 > > More news to come!!! > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para > armazenamento! > > > > > > > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! 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My wife called to say she slid off the road into the ditch (snow). So sorry guys... I will read the logs and catch up. my apologies again..... :( iwolf: I hope she's ok ok, so we will have an informal meetin (jeffrey: no problem, good luck) no problem log? ? ! jmbuser: Are we keeping a log or is this off-the-record? eof we have an IRC log if someone want to keep it fugolini" I'll keep it good ok, today we will discuss about "soft" issues, we are less than the FAmSCo majority and Max couldn't be here givining us more detail about budget issue (we will continue the discussion in the M-L) * ChitleshGoorah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Meeting agenda: 1. FAmSCo and Ambassadors wiki pages updates 2. Open Ambassadors Initiatives status if someone want to add other issues please tell me now 3 2 1 Ok, we start with the first issue in the agenda: FAmSCo and Ambassadors wiki pages updates Fabian wrote in the list that there are a lot of obsolete wiki pages ! He was right. fabian_a: (after i have to ask you a question concerning this topic) as example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding the ambassador start page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors (there is too much content) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule * MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting and there are some more... eof ThomasCanniot fabian_a: you answered my question, i was in search of hoarding page (i asked you in one of my mail to your thread) but now it's ok? I think we have to take care of those page perhaps we should move this kind of content to art those are our references now i'm talking about the content pages for the Hoarding page etc... i think we could start asking to Ambassadors and then, with the help of art team we can improve them it's ok? +1 +1 ok, i'll write an email to the list tomorrow ! jmbuser: This is good time to be reviewing the wiki content and pages with the migration to MediaWiki coming soon. eof this is the second part of this issue i wanted to start that's an hard work and i think each FAmSCo member with the help of all ambassadors has to take care of We have to reorganize the welcome page (as fabian suggested), adding new content to ambassadors help pages work on new meeting templates etc... i think we have to make a list of what we have to update (like a To-Do list) +1 +1 +1 If there aren't volunteers for such issue, i will (tomorrow) create a wiki page where each person could add the page he thinks it's necessary to update we have moreover to decide a deadline: it's 15 days ok? back - wife is rescued... (15 days starting from the creating of the wiki page= iWolf: good ! *creation jmbuser: 15 days should be OK, but I believe no firm date has been set for the migration eof * iWolf is caught up +1 on wiki cleanup we can delay it whenever we want, it's just a trick to put us at work :) starting from me ehehe ok, so tomorrow (nobody offers himself) i will create a wiki page with such list if nobody as anything to say, we can leap to the next discussion 3 2 1 2. Open Ambassadors Initiatives I think you know the Fedora Ambassadors Wall initiative? ok, we have received a lot of messages and we are able to create the first poster with those ! for the layout i will ask nicubunu who gave me his avaiability for such work iWolf: Is there a link to the first post? I think I missed it. eof s/post/poster/ first post? about Fedora Ambassadors Wall? ah ok i didn't talk with nicubuntu yet givinig him the "go" i wanted to ask you before i want to ask you about the title: is ok "The Ambassadors Voice" a? Second: at the bottom there will be the Fedora Ambassadors site it would be a way to give more visibility to us This is the reason i want to officialize it today with an ok from FAmSCo we could create our first Ambassadors Poster it's ok? Have you concernings about it? ! jmbuser: Go for it - let's see what the Art team can come up with eof ok, i think it's not necessary to vote for this issue Now before adjourn the meeting i want to remember that we will continue to discuss abot those issue on the M-L. * iWolf phone Currently (i don't forget past issue, but now we have different priorities) we have two main issue: *issues 1. FAmSCo Budget: as i remembered we are discussing about this on the M-L. Jeffrey is doing a great job defining report guidelines, defining the structure of this one +1 FAmSCo members are invited to give thei opinions/ideas in the list 2. Wiki cleanup: we have to update contents and make informations easy to find * Mostafa (n=root at 217.219.95.36) has joined #fedora-meeting i will take care of it (if someone else want to do this) ! jmbuser: I can assist, but I can't drive it... eof happy to hear this thank you Once again i have to ask you if there are other issues you want to discuss 3 2 1 * kital has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) So, thank all the attendees From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 8 22:43:43 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:43:43 -0800 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205016223.18757.27.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 17:25 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > Maybe an official news blog-type-thing, most likely on the front page, > would help get news out to other larger Linux news sites. (I'm not > necessarily sure if this has been attempted before already.) news.fedoraproject.org is in the works, mainly for just that job. > Are press releases also an option? Yes, but best is press.redhat.com; it's a blog output, several of us in the Marketing SIG can post to it as "the Fedora team", and it is watched by a growing number of technical and other press. It's somewhere I'd "post also", that is, output a press release to news.fp.o and make sure a copy gets to press.r.c. > Both could be used when announcements are made about features, new > alphas/betas are available, etc. Maybe as we get into Alpha, John could post about accepted features to the news.fp.o blog? Seems like a good fit for the Feature Wrangler. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone > > else? > > Would collecting stories be something we invited our friends at > fedoraforum to take a stab at? Obviously there would be some round of > vetting and editting if we were going to make use of them. But could > we make use of fedoraforum to collect a large pool of stories as a > first step in the proccess? +1 ... that's a great way to get anyone to submit with minimal barriers. Does that forum allow some kind of voting? Someone(s) would still need to let the rest of us know. Or would there be a forum thread we could just watch via RSS? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 17:22 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > What the SSS is not -- ... > > Stable: expect it to change constantly; don't use it with an > > Include() macro but copy/fork > > This last item is where you lose me, but then again, I'm easily lost (as > anyone who's ridden in my car knows). One of the goals of a SSS -- I > thought -- was to allow us to include the content elsewhere multiple > times, and not have to repeatedly check multiple pages to see that > they'd all been changed uniformly. This was a big problem in the last > Release Notes cycle where a contributor made a change to one source > document, and I (as one of the release notes editors) had to carry that > change, and fix the resulting translation POT material, in several > documents. Maybe I was a bit overboard with that description. Maybe it's more that, unlike other parts that we Include(), this one is apt to change during the release cycle. Don't stick it in and forget to occasionally re-read -- to make sure your lead-in makes sense, the formatting is sane, that it doesn't now have information that you covered in another part of the page that uses the Include() macro, etc. So instead: The SSS is not: Overly stable: expect it to change throughout the release cycle, so if you Include() it, make sure to check that the meaning/format still works where you included it. ??? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 22:47:11 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:47:11 -0900 Subject: name for Fedora compute grid project In-Reply-To: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910803081447s43bf251t7feb2196cf12620b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/5 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > * A cool piece of technology with a grid client and Fedora-run grid > master > * A way to contribute to Fedora with spare CPU cycles from your > machine(s); useful for everyone from Web surfing grandmas to kernel > hackers with quad-cores > * A chance to create something that Fedorans can use for good projects: > - Distributed build-system > - Social and technical causes that match with Fedora values/ideals > - Cool research > > It's some kind of convergence, which is why it needs a cool name, right? Okay, assuming we are only going to allow Fedora clients: The Fedora Trellis: The 'open' grid supporting Fedora's growth. If we are going to allow non-Fedora clients I would just call it The Trellis: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trellis trellis (n) 1. A structure of open latticework, especially one used as a support for vines and other creeping plants. From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 8 22:49:45 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:49:45 -0800 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803071220u105dab52i89845724f826d1f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> <47D07C37.2020701@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910803071220u105dab52i89845724f826d1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205016585.18757.38.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:20 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > Which descriptions don't make sense either in the summary or after > > reading the specification. I think these are fairly good descriptions > > considering they are essentially developer specifications. > > > How about this as a compromise.... > What if we leave the feature process development driven.. but we hook > in a way for someone who is perusing the feature summaries to easily > drop a comment or a note if they want a layperson explanation. The > notes would go to a marketing group..maybe even this list...an answer > is formulated and sent back to the person who asked the the > explanation and additionally linked in to the feature summary on the > feature list without disturbing the development oriented information > there. > > This might even be useful in figuring out where the next developer > interview opportunities are. +1 ... sort of like a press inquiries address, but offered as part of an already useful document? That way we are asking for targeted questions and not inviting wide-open requests that are mainly covered in the features pages. We could also find a way to cross-tie the SSS with specific features, so one has a press-friendly approach and there is a reciprocating link to find the deeper developer-oriented content. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 16:18:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:18:41 -0400 Subject: Single sourced summary (was Re: Beta Release Notes) In-Reply-To: <1205016473.18757.34.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0802290445u1f8c9d81re58bf488d4b723d8@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0803010404w100e8270y2672eaafe133aaab@mail.gmail.com> <47C950E5.8010102@fedoraproject.org> <47C9E59B.5000905@mwiriadi.id.au> <3263b11b0803031150s25367d26y545051774f574a2c@mail.gmail.com> <1204680147.4141.76.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1204840824.28814.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205016473.18757.34.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205079521.14471.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 14:47 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 22:00 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 17:22 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > > What the SSS is not -- > > ... > > > > Stable: expect it to change constantly; don't use it with an > > > Include() macro but copy/fork > > > > This last item is where you lose me, but then again, I'm easily lost (as > > anyone who's ridden in my car knows). One of the goals of a SSS -- I > > thought -- was to allow us to include the content elsewhere multiple > > times, and not have to repeatedly check multiple pages to see that > > they'd all been changed uniformly. This was a big problem in the last > > Release Notes cycle where a contributor made a change to one source > > document, and I (as one of the release notes editors) had to carry that > > change, and fix the resulting translation POT material, in several > > documents. > > Maybe I was a bit overboard with that description. Maybe it's more > that, unlike other parts that we Include(), this one is apt to change > during the release cycle. Don't stick it in and forget to occasionally > re-read -- to make sure your lead-in makes sense, the formatting is > sane, that it doesn't now have information that you covered in another > part of the page that uses the Include() macro, etc. > > So instead: > > The SSS is not: > > Overly stable: expect it to change throughout the release > cycle, so if you Include() it, make sure to check that the > meaning/format still works where you included it. > > ??? That makes more sense to me, FWIW. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:19:11 +0000 Subject: name for Fedora compute grid project In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803081447s43bf251t7feb2196cf12620b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> <604aa7910803081447s43bf251t7feb2196cf12620b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205079551.14471.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 13:47 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/3/5 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > * A cool piece of technology with a grid client and Fedora-run grid > > master > > * A way to contribute to Fedora with spare CPU cycles from your > > machine(s); useful for everyone from Web surfing grandmas to kernel > > hackers with quad-cores > > * A chance to create something that Fedorans can use for good projects: > > - Distributed build-system > > - Social and technical causes that match with Fedora values/ideals > > - Cool research > > > > It's some kind of convergence, which is why it needs a cool name, right? > > Okay, assuming we are only going to allow Fedora clients: > The Fedora Trellis: > The 'open' grid supporting Fedora's growth. > > > If we are going to allow non-Fedora clients I would just call it The Trellis: *ding ding ding* -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 14:16:52 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:16:52 -0700 Subject: joining Marketing Message-ID: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> Question about: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Join Step 4, "Join the 'marketing' group in the Account System." Since we tend to use the groups to signal various effects (voting, fedorapeople.org access, etc.), it seems to make sense to have a requirement/entry barrier to get into that group. Versus, for example, just letting in anyone who requests. Any objections to adding a bullet to step 4? " * You must introduce yourself to the mailing list before you can be approved for the 'marketing' group." Naturally I'm asking because we have a few requests in the queue, and while I recognize a few of the names as having joined discussions on this list, it would be nice for the group admins to have a clear criteria. Also, some of you are not in that group and you should be. So join! make Thomas, Patrick, and myself busy with sponsoring; or step-up to be a group admin and help out with that part, too. :) Thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:36:02 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:36:02 -0400 Subject: joining Marketing In-Reply-To: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: 2008/3/10 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > Any objections to adding a bullet to step 4? > > " * You must introduce yourself to the mailing list before you can be > approved for the 'marketing' group." Hmm, I guess that 'fedorabugs' (which I'm semi-in charge of) is used for the same stuff (as well as bugzilla access), and all that we require for a barrier to entry there is cla_done, manually checked by the sponsor (read: me) before approving the membership. It would be nice if various sub-groups of the project could agree on a sane barrier for entry, for exactly the reasons that you mention that I hadn't thought of before - namely voting. Note that I'm not against the requirement to be "known" prior to being sponsored/approved, but I think that the requirement probably needs to extend to all groups if we're going to make it a requirement. Now the big question - is FAS2 going to make all of this obsolete? > Naturally I'm asking because we have a few requests in the queue, and > while I recognize a few of the names as having joined discussions on > this list, it would be nice for the group admins to have a clear > criteria. Yep. > Also, some of you are not in that group and you should be. So join! > make Thomas, Patrick, and myself busy with sponsoring; or step-up to be > a group admin and help out with that part, too. :) Done! From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 14:48:39 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:48:39 -0700 Subject: joining Marketing In-Reply-To: References: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205160519.1101.37.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 10:36 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > 2008/3/10 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > Any objections to adding a bullet to step 4? > > > > " * You must introduce yourself to the mailing list before you can be > > approved for the 'marketing' group." > > Hmm, I guess that 'fedorabugs' (which I'm semi-in charge of) is used > for the same stuff (as well as bugzilla access), and all that we > require for a barrier to entry there is cla_done, manually checked by > the sponsor (read: me) before approving the membership. Then why bother? One cannot request group entry until one has cla_done, but once having it, why put a human in the step? Why not make 'fedorabugs' auto-approved at that point? The reason for the human in the step, IMO, is to humanize the process of joining a group. Otherwise, we would get what group admins see all the time -- people create an account and join whatever group sounds interesting by name, without going to find out what that group is about, how to become part of it, etc. > It would be nice if various sub-groups of the project could agree on a > sane barrier for entry, for exactly the reasons that you mention that > I hadn't thought of before - namely voting. > > Note that I'm not against the requirement to be "known" prior to being > sponsored/approved, but I think that the requirement probably needs to > extend to all groups if we're going to make it a requirement. I'm not sure that all groups need the same requirement, although they should have _a_ specific requirement. There is a strong history for the self-introduction being the official "I'm joined" step. The practice is (or could be?) to check mailing list archives for a self-intro before approving someone to a group. > Now the big question - is FAS2 going to make all of this obsolete? Doubtful, since it doesn't include an AI component. :D > Done! Cool; I'm figuring we can grandfather anyone into the group who has been active on the list; we don't need to go back and ask for self-intros. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If it can wait until the weekend then I should be able to do it then, but if somebody else has the time to tidy things you'd be a hero :) Many thanks, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 10 18:26:25 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:26:25 +0000 Subject: Some marketing tips from Linux magazine In-Reply-To: <1205016585.18757.38.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0803061506o78f404aeqcf4254f6444cad42@mail.gmail.com> <47D07C37.2020701@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910803071220u105dab52i89845724f826d1f1@mail.gmail.com> <1205016585.18757.38.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803101126t2710c06fw38899ebf79639aaa@mail.gmail.com> On 08/03/2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:20 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram > > wrote: > > > Which descriptions don't make sense either in the summary or after > > > reading the specification. I think these are fairly good descriptions > > > considering they are essentially developer specifications. > > > > > > How about this as a compromise.... > > What if we leave the feature process development driven.. but we hook > > in a way for someone who is perusing the feature summaries to easily > > drop a comment or a note if they want a layperson explanation. The > > notes would go to a marketing group..maybe even this list...an answer > > is formulated and sent back to the person who asked the the > > explanation and additionally linked in to the feature summary on the > > feature list without disturbing the development oriented information > > there. > > > > This might even be useful in figuring out where the next developer > > interview opportunities are. > > > +1 ... sort of like a press inquiries address, but offered as part of an > already useful document? That way we are asking for targeted questions > and not inviting wide-open requests that are mainly covered in the > features pages. > > We could also find a way to cross-tie the SSS with specific features, so > one has a press-friendly approach and there is a reciprocating link to > find the deeper developer-oriented content. What we need to do is get this stuff in place and let people know it exists. I know FeatureList is aimed at developers, but Joe didn't know it existed and I'm sure many others don't either. Even in it's current form I'm 99% sure it's a useful document to people in that position as it's hugely useful to me and others in doing interviews and preparing Release Notes/Overviews. The question is, and I guess this is the question we're meant to be answering in Strategies and Tactics, is how do we do it! Best wishes, Jon From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 14:34:40 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:34:40 +0800 Subject: GNU/Linux World Domination for the Wrong Reasons Message-ID: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3733286 ============= In the same way, you only have to glance at the user forums of major distributions like Fedora or Ubuntu to see that more users are concerned with getting proprietary video drivers installed than with having control of their own computers. After all, the proprietary drivers are available at no cost, just like the ethically free ones, so why not use them, especially when they are technologically more advanced? I've even seen some users castigate Fedora for not providing the proprietary drivers in its repositories. Never mind that to do so would be against Fedora's policy of including only free software -- with such users, the short term convenience of the technically superior proprietary drivers outweighs the ethos of freedom. Many of the complainers do not even appear to have heard of free software ideals. Nor do they bother listening when those ideals are raised. ============= -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:01:01 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:01:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: fedora store SIG Message-ID: Hey, I was taking a look at the Store SIG wiki page, and I just had a few questions/thoughts... - Why is Zazzle not on the potential distributors list? - Goal 1 states that we make it easier for Ambassadors and event organizers, however by potentially going through different distributors for different products (a lot of 'propsed items' are offered by different people), this seems to cancel itself out. (of course this is trivial) One idea I had for a store was using distributors with nice APIs that could submit orders automatically. Thenw hat I would do is implement all the products into one store (let's say at store.fedoraproject.org), and when the order was placed on store.fp, orders would be placed with distributors automatically, and the person ordering everything would be notified of what distributors are sending what. Also was there a meeting on 2008-03-05? I noticed that meetings are sparsley populated, and I could show up if the meetings didn't happen while I was in school. I'm not asking for a time change necessarily. I'd like to discuss the future of the store with somebody. -- ian From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 12 00:39:28 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:39:28 -0400 Subject: fedora store SIG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803111739g7645f409m501eb3eddb66e3a5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > - Why is Zazzle not on the potential distributors list? If I recall correctly, Zazzle had a license agreement that entitled them to use any image uploaded to their site in their own marketing and promotional materials. How big of deal this really is I am not 100% certain. > - Goal 1 states that we make it easier for Ambassadors and event > organizers, however by potentially going through different > distributors for different products (a lot of 'propsed items' are > offered by different people), this seems to cancel itself out. (of > course this is trivial) Keep in mind the proposed items list was a wish list. Very few single shops sell everything on that list. Upon initial launch, all items on that list may not be available or ever be available. There are two purposes in mind for the store - a place for Fedora users to pick up one-offs of various items and provide a reference point for Ambassadors who need items in bulk. On top of this, we don't want to maintain an inventory of items. Using a print on demand storefront for the user needs is apt to work best on that front. Unfortunately, I have yet to see any print on demand place that can come close to matching what I can get bulk orders through a traditional screen printer for - so that is why the Ambassador Vendor page exists. It allows an ambassador to contact a Fedora friendly vendor and place their order for event supplies. > One idea I had for a store was using distributors with nice APIs that > could submit orders automatically. Thenw hat I would do is implement > all the products into one store (let's say at store.fedoraproject.org), > and when the order was placed on store.fp, orders would be placed with > distributors automatically, and the person ordering everything would be > notified of what distributors are sending what. Will the distributors require us to maintain an inventory of items with them? Do you have some distributors in mind with these APIs in place? Where does the payment process occur in the above scenario? One of the things with the initial Store project is to keep things simple. The immediate goal was to provide a place for Fedora users and Ambassadors to go when they needed something. If things go really well once we get it up and running then we will have a much stronger case to tap into some infrastructure resources and move to a more elegant solution as you have suggested above. > Also was there a meeting on 2008-03-05? I noticed that meetings are > sparsley populated, and I could show up if the meetings didn't happen > while I was in school. I'm not asking for a time change necessarily. No, the meeting on 2008-03-05 was canceled. Last week had sort of a rough start for me which prevented the meeting. The meeting this week will also be canceled as I am in training this week and unable to lead the meeting. Feel free to continue the discussion on the mailing list though. I have encouraged anyone that can't make the meeting to post ideas and thoughts to the mailing list. It can really help move things along, as finding a common meeting time for everyone that is interested is near impossible due to various time zones and work schedules. > I'd like to discuss the future of the store with somebody. Please keep the ideas and discussion coming. The Store SIG can still use help from anyone interested. I'm also interested in hearing people's direct experiences with Spreadshirt.com while I work on getting an image uploaded to them and printed so I can see first hand. Thanks! Jeffrey From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 12 00:41:29 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:41:29 -0400 Subject: Canceled - Store SIG Meeting - 2008-03-12 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803111741r43eb0fdbt51625d79b4ed0a3b@mail.gmail.com> The Fedora Store SIG [1] meeting on 2008-03-12 will be canceled. I am in training all week and will be unavailable to lead the meeting. As always, feel free to post your questions and discussion on the Fedora Marketing list. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 12 06:07:08 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:08 -0700 Subject: joining Marketing In-Reply-To: <1205160519.1101.37.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205160519.1101.37.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205302028.15179.20.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 07:48 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Cool; I'm figuring we can grandfather anyone into the group who has > been > active on the list; we don't need to go back and ask for self-intros. OK, that's done. Historically, I tend to leave requests in the queue where there hasn't been a self-intro, figuring the person is getting around to it. Too often another administrator comes in and approves the person with no self-intro having happened. It's not that I'm stuck on the self-intro itself; I'm stuck on each group having it's own join process[1] and people needing to respect that when coming in. Part of that is reading and following directions. We also don't poke each other with the scissors because they are sharp. The usual kindergarten stuff. So we now have a few people in the queue who haven't self-intro'd. Here are their details, and if they don't intro within the week, I think we should reject the requests. Names (acccount names): Dennis Buice (trombone) Sebastian Dziallas (sdz) Pavel Zhukov (zeus) If one of those accounts is yours, please send us an introduction and tell us a bit about who you are. You are more than welcome. :) - Karsten http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SelfIntroduction - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Join -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Too > often another administrator comes in and approves the person with no > self-intro having happened. It's not that I'm stuck on the self-intro > itself; I'm stuck on each group having it's own join process[1] and > people needing to respect that when coming in. Part of that is reading > and following directions. We also don't poke each other with the > scissors because they are sharp. The usual kindergarten stuff. > > So we now have a few people in the queue who haven't self-intro'd. Here > are their details, and if they don't intro within the week, I think we > should reject the requests. > > Names (acccount names): > Dennis Buice (trombone) > Sebastian Dziallas (sdz) > Pavel Zhukov (zeus) > > If one of those accounts is yours, please send us an introduction and > tell us a bit about who you are. You are more than welcome. :) > > - Karsten > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SelfIntroduction > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Join > > > -- > Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > My introduction (Zhukov Pavel) - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00000.html I can't find Sebastian Dziallas or Dennis Buice introduction for [fedora-mktg] but google:// told me about theirs introductions in other [fedora] lists. From kcatallo at redhat.com Wed Mar 12 13:17:11 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:17:11 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? Message-ID: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> Hi All- I know that the beta release for Fedora 9 is upcoming -- still on 3/20, right? We announced the F9 Alpha release on press.redhat.com (http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/05/help-shape-fedora-9-alpha-release-now-available/), so I was thinking we should do the same for the beta release. I'm happy to take a stab at a draft working from the beta release notes, but if anyone else wants to give it a try, that works too. We'd be posting under the "Fedora Team" name. Let me know what you think. thanks, Kerri -- Kerri Catallozzi Red Hat Corporate Communications o: 919.754.4268 More news, more often: www.press.redhat.com From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Mar 12 13:21:08 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:21:08 +0000 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803120621y6df4e61bpdf7c82bcb5a43c21@mail.gmail.com> On 12/03/2008, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Hi All- I know that the beta release for Fedora 9 is upcoming -- still > on 3/20, right? We announced the F9 Alpha release on press.redhat.com > (http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/05/help-shape-fedora-9-alpha-release-now-available/), > so I was thinking we should do the same for the beta release. I'm happy > to take a stab at a draft working from the beta release notes, but if > anyone else wants to give it a try, that works too. We'd be posting > under the "Fedora Team" name. Let me know what you think. Go for it :) Jon From sebastian at when.com Wed Mar 12 13:47:00 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (sebastian at when.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:47:00 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Sebastian Dziallas [was: joining Marketing] In-Reply-To: <448999300803120045x18ea49f2r28b7c3736b824a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1205158612.1101.24.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205160519.1101.37.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205302028.15179.20.camel@calliope.phig.org> <448999300803120045x18ea49f2r28b7c3736b824a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D7DED4.5060307@when.com> Zhukov Pavel wrote: > 2008/3/12 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : >> >> So we now have a few people in the queue who haven't self-intro'd. Here >> are their details, and if they don't intro within the week, I think we >> should reject the requests. >> >> Names (acccount names): >> Dennis Buice (trombone) >> Sebastian Dziallas (sdz) >> Pavel Zhukov (zeus) >> >> If one of those accounts is yours, please send us an introduction and >> tell us a bit about who you are. You are more than welcome. :) OK. So here we go... > I can't find Sebastian Dziallas or Dennis Buice introduction for > [fedora-mktg] but google:// told me about theirs introductions in > other [fedora] lists. My name is - as you may have noticed - Sebastian Dziallas [1], and I am currently based in Germany (city is Wunstorf, not far away from Hannover , in Lower Saxony). I am a student and currently attending H?lty Gymnasium Wunstorf. I have also had a work practice at heise media group (editors desk of the German computer magazine c't) and I am currently involved in further Fedora and GNOME projects. I was attending Hannovers CeBIT 2008 (4-9 March) and I was part of the staff at the GNOME booth. On the Fedora side, I am currently doing some work on the educational part [2]. I am also trying to become an ambassador. Things I would like to talk about would include the possibility to become more visible for the normal end-user e.g. on exhibitions (I talked to Thomas Chung concerning the ambassadors about this) and maybe an online survey for Fedora users. But these are only first ideas... From tomorrow on, I will be in New Jersey for three weeks, so there might be some delay in response. Please excuse this (the preparations have also caused this - somehow late - introduction). Best Regards, Sebastian Dziallas [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianDziallas [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Education From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:02:02 2008 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:02 -0300 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine Message-ID: Hi, We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for those who speak Portuguese. Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. Official release announce: * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): * http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be published. Any feedback will be very welcome. Thanks, -- Davidson Paulo Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief Linux System Administrator LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ From nushio at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:32:34 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:32:34 -0600 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Davidson Rodrigues Paulo < davidsonpaulo at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista > Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about > Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for > those who speak Portuguese. > > Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover > story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about > system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > Official release announce: > > * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 > > Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): > > * > http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > published. > > Any feedback will be very welcome. > > Thanks, > > -- > Davidson Paulo > Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief > Linux System Administrator > LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 > Brazilian Fedora Ambassador > http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ > http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I downloaded it, but my lack of Portuguese skills got the best of me, would it be too much of an issue to launch an alternate version in either English or Spanish? :-) I really liked the layout of the magazine, and found what little I could understand interesting. Everything looks highly professional. The only issue I could spot was the Blue Hat in page 6, I'm not sure it should be there. 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We also included an interview with > > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > There's seems to be a good variety of topics. > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > > published. > > You're off to a great start. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FAmSCo From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 12 18:20:56 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:20:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D81F08.8050703@fedoraproject.org> Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > Any feedback will be very welcome. The design and layout looks great! Bravo! ~m From fzied at dottn.com Wed Mar 12 18:24:44 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:24:44 +0100 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: <47D81F08.8050703@fedoraproject.org> References: <47D81F08.8050703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Good job, even I don't unsderstand portguese Congrats :) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:20 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > > Any feedback will be very welcome. > > The design and layout looks great! Bravo! > > ~m > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia T : +216 71 886112 F : +216 71 885499 M : +216 22 535604 W : http://www.dottn.com GPG Key : gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D2F4EE8C From nitipit at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 19:39:18 2008 From: nitipit at gmail.com (Nitipit) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:39:18 +0700 Subject: separate fpo domain? (was Re: making the website better) In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00802081727r101a649cwfb69c105129738e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1202277188.6078.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AC8986.80207@tondo.it> <47AC8C46.4010203@fedoraproject.org> <10e0a9b00802080925jdd735dew302f9604ac3f846d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910802080942t4ae31fb5sf32339fb06b0aa9a@mail.gmail.com> <10e0a9b00802081008n2fe4b8a8q8da54c52ee77b9bb@mail.gmail.com> <47ACA049.6090604@fedoraproject.org> <10e0a9b00802081128q268a5482x888eaa09846db677@mail.gmail.com> <47ACAFFD.6010706@fedoraproject.org> <10e0a9b00802081727r101a649cwfb69c105129738e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b3c965c0803121239p3fe438bk91b3a368d3521bac@mail.gmail.com> I like this idea. First time I came to fedoraproject.org as a new linux user, It take me time to figure out about the goal of this website. And it's hard to find some information I need. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Mar 13 04:50:31 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:50:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47D8B297.9050209@yahoo.com.br> Guys, Any news about the interviews below? I wanna talk about Anaconda in the next one, I need to know if someone is covering this issue. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen done by > Rodrigo Menezes. It seems complete though he hasn't announced it himself. > > What's left? > ------------ > > FreeIPA - really unique and we are leading this effort that probably > will help solve one of the major admin pain point > > Presto is in limbo for now. So we can skip it > > Jidgo - Should cover if we are getting this as one of the alternative > distribution methods for Fedora 9. Cover pyjidgo and whatever new > features we are driving. Some discussions at > > https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html > > PreUpgrade - Should be really interesting to cover > > Anaconda - Very visible changes.Interview the entire Anaconda team. > Partition resizing support, Encryption support, netinst.iso that > combines boot.iso and rescue.iso, lots of other backend work > > Display - Adam Jackson is release guy for the next upstream release > and scheduled it around Fedora 9. Should cover Fast X, RandR and > probably Soeren's work covered to some extend in > > http://www.j5live.com/2008/01/30/j5-live-vlog-soeren-talks-about-projectors-in-fedora-rawhide/ > > > Virtualization - Lot of major work esp xen on paravirt_ops. Look up a > lot of blogs including > > http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2007/11/plan-for-xen-kernels-in-fedora-9 > > > Get in touch with Daniel Berrange. He would know who else we can > interview on this. Ask about Ovirt, virtual appliance creator, policy > kit integration with virt manager, virtual storage, virt kernel boot etc. > > LTSP integration - Very high profile. Interview Warren and Eric. > https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html > > Upstart - Probably the first time, we had a very core feature be > mostly community driven. Need to cover the FUDCon decision bits too. > Not too interesting technically since we no distribution is actually > taking advantage of upstart features yet and will be running under > sysvinit compatibility mode. > > GDM, Gvfs, GCC 4.3 - Fedora is driving upstream. Backend stuff though > except for GDM. We will be early adopters so might be good to cover > GDM first. > > Swfdec - Consult with desktop team and interview upstream too if we > are getting this installed by default > > SELinux user space confinement - Not in the feature list but this is a > interesting feature neverthless and deserves to be highlighted better. > Blog at > http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/15700.html > > Rahul > _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 16:04:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:04:57 +0000 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205424297.3973.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:17 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Hi All- I know that the beta release for Fedora 9 is upcoming -- still > on 3/20, right? We announced the F9 Alpha release on press.redhat.com > (http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/05/help-shape-fedora-9-alpha-release-now-available/), > so I was thinking we should do the same for the beta release. I'm happy > to take a stab at a draft working from the beta release notes, but if > anyone else wants to give it a try, that works too. We'd be posting > under the "Fedora Team" name. Let me know what you think. Kerrin, I'd be happy to help -- want to post a skeleton or something on the wiki for me to help with? We have other cooler ways to collaborate, like Gobby, but I doubt you want to worry about those tools right now. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From denis.dahsulja at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 17:43:03 2008 From: denis.dahsulja at yahoo.com (Denis Dahsulja) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13 Message-ID: <196545.71314.qm@web45807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, looks great, very good document, my Portuguese is little bit rusty, but if someone is to translate this on English, I'll be happy to translate it to Croatian. Regards ----- Original Message ---- From: "fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com" To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:00:08 PM Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13 Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to match the original message. Today's Topics: 1. Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) 2. Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine (Juan M. Rodriguez) 3. Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine (John Babich) 4. Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine (M?ir?n Duffy) 5. Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine (Zied Fakhfakh) 6. Re: separate fpo domain? (was Re: making the website better) (Nitipit) 7. Re: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left (Rodrigo Menezes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:02 -0300 From: "Davidson Rodrigues Paulo" Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "For participants of the Documentation Project" , "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , "Development discussions related to Fedora" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for those who speak Portuguese. Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. Official release announce: * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): * http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be published. Any feedback will be very welcome. Thanks, -- Davidson Paulo Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief Linux System Administrator LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:32:34 -0600 From: "Juan M. Rodriguez" Subject: Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Davidson Rodrigues Paulo < davidsonpaulo at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista > Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about > Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for > those who speak Portuguese. > > Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover > story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about > system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > Official release announce: > > * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 > > Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): > > * > http://www..projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > published. > > Any feedback will be very welcome. > > Thanks, > > -- > Davidson Paulo > Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief > Linux System Administrator > LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 > Brazilian Fedora Ambassador > http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ > http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I downloaded it, but my lack of Portuguese skills got the best of me, would it be too much of an issue to launch an alternate version in either English or Spanish? :-) I really liked the layout of the magazine, and found what little I could understand interesting. Everything looks highly professional. The only issue I could spot was the Blue Hat in page 6, I'm not sure it should be there. 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We also included an interview with > > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > There's seems to be a good variety of topics. > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > > published. > > You're off to a great start. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FAmSCo ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:20:56 -0400 From: M?ir?n Duffy Subject: Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora , For participants of the Documentation Project , fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <47D81F08.8050703 at fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > Any feedback will be very welcome. The design and layout looks great! Bravo! ~m ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:24:44 +0100 From: "Zied Fakhfakh" Subject: Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Good job, even I don't unsderstand portguese Congrats :) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:20 PM, M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > > Any feedback will be very welcome. > > The design and layout looks great! Bravo! > > ~m > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia T : +216 71 886112 F : +216 71 885499 M : +216 22 535604 W : http://www.dottn.com GPG Key : gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D2F4EE8C ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:39:18 +0700 From: Nitipit Subject: Re: separate fpo domain? (was Re: making the website better) To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Message-ID: <3b3c965c0803121239p3fe438bk91b3a368d3521bac at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I like this idea. First time I came to fedoraproject.org as a new linux user, It take me time to figure out about the goal of this website. And it's hard to find some information I need. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20080313/908a0cb2/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:50:31 -0400 From: Rodrigo Menezes Subject: Re: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Message-ID: <47D8B297.9050209 at yahoo.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Guys, Any news about the interviews below? I wanna talk about Anaconda in the next one, I need to know if someone is covering this issue. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/EricSandeen done by > Rodrigo Menezes. It seems complete though he hasn't announced it himself. > > What's left? > ------------ > > FreeIPA - really unique and we are leading this effort that probably > will help solve one of the major admin pain point > > Presto is in limbo for now. So we can skip it > > Jidgo - Should cover if we are getting this as one of the alternative > distribution methods for Fedora 9. Cover pyjidgo and whatever new > features we are driving. Some discussions at > > https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html > > PreUpgrade - Should be really interesting to cover > > Anaconda - Very visible changes.Interview the entire Anaconda team. > Partition resizing support, Encryption support, netinst.iso that > combines boot.iso and rescue.iso, lots of other backend work > > Display - Adam Jackson is release guy for the next upstream release > and scheduled it around Fedora 9. Should cover Fast X, RandR and > probably Soeren's work covered to some extend in > > http://www.j5live.com/2008/01/30/j5-live-vlog-soeren-talks-about-projectors-in-fedora-rawhide/ > > > Virtualization - Lot of major work esp xen on paravirt_ops. Look up a > lot of blogs including > > http://berrange.com/personal/diary/2007/11/plan-for-xen-kernels-in-fedora-9 > > > Get in touch with Daniel Berrange. He would know who else we can > interview on this. Ask about Ovirt, virtual appliance creator, policy > kit integration with virt manager, virtual storage, virt kernel boot etc. > > LTSP integration - Very high profile. Interview Warren and Eric. > https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/jigdo-user/2007-November/000113.html > > Upstart - Probably the first time, we had a very core feature be > mostly community driven. Need to cover the FUDCon decision bits too. > Not too interesting technically since we no distribution is actually > taking advantage of upstart features yet and will be running under > sysvinit compatibility mode. > > GDM, Gvfs, GCC 4.3 - Fedora is driving upstream. Backend stuff though > except for GDM. We will be early adopters so might be good to cover > GDM first. > > Swfdec - Consult with desktop team and interview upstream too if we > are getting this installed by default > > SELinux user space confinement - Not in the feature list but this is a > interesting feature neverthless and deserves to be highlighted better. > Blog at > http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/15700.html > > Rahul > _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! 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I have also had a work practice at heise media group > (editors desk of the German computer magazine c't) and I am currently > involved in further Fedora and GNOME projects. I was attending Hannovers > CeBIT 2008 (4-9 March) and I was part of the staff at the GNOME booth. > On the Fedora side, I am currently doing some work on the educational > part [2]. I am also trying to become an ambassador. Things I would like > to talk about would include the possibility to become more visible for > the normal end-user e.g. on exhibitions (I talked to Thomas Chung > concerning the ambassadors about this) and maybe an online survey for > Fedora users. But these are only first ideas... > > From tomorrow on, I will be in New Jersey for three weeks, so there > might be some delay in response. Please excuse this (the preparations > have also caused this - somehow late - introduction). No worries, thanks much for the introduction and welcome. I didn't mean to be chastising people who hadn't introduced; I was mainly trying to keep administrators/sponsors from approving people without the group-agreed-upon processes being followed. Hope my meaning was clear! But if not, my apologies for any misunderstanding. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please see the following links to review the discussion up to this point: (06 March) Meeting Summary: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00025.html (06 March) IRC Log: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00027.html Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 14 21:10:51 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:40:51 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: <47D8B297.9050209@yahoo.com.br> References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> <47D8B297.9050209@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <47DAE9DB.60205@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Guys, > > Any news about the interviews below? I wanna talk about Anaconda in the > next one, I need to know if someone is covering this issue. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > I don't think anybody else is working on this now. So feel free to move ahead. Please post questions to the list before sending them off to the Anaconda team if possible. Rahul From nihedmm at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 21:27:09 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:27:09 +0100 Subject: compare between fedora mandriva and ubuntu Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0803141427o24351dcehe2a89bd7946d1d3f@mail.gmail.com> Clubic, a famous French website offer a compare between the 3 distributions and what must be added to be used by windows users http://www.clubic.com/article-127204-5-installer-linux-fedora-mandriva-ubuntu.html -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armel.kermorvant at orange.fr Fri Mar 14 22:31:31 2008 From: armel.kermorvant at orange.fr (Armel Kermorvant) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:31:31 +0100 Subject: compare between fedora mandriva and ubuntu In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0803141427o24351dcehe2a89bd7946d1d3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0803141427o24351dcehe2a89bd7946d1d3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DAFCC3.6080600@orange.fr> nihed mbarek a ?crit : > Clubic, a famous French website offer a compare between the 3 > distributions and what must be added to be used by windows users > http://www.clubic.com/article-127204-5-installer-linux-fedora-mandriva-ubuntu.html > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] > FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 Hi Nihed, from my personal overview, this article is not good because lot of errors are present. Please look at the forum about it and you read a lot of reactions from users (now is a big TROLL). The article about Fedora is poor. The redactor compare all the time Mandriva and Fedora (Every two lines.....) The top is in the conclusion : Linux is ready for the standart users ? Best regards ArmelKermorvant French Ambassador From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 15 00:55:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:25:59 +0530 Subject: Live Content DVD Provides Numerous Creative Commons Resources Message-ID: <47DB1E9F.8000804@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.fanaticattack.com/2008/creative-commons-releases-free-contentsoftware-with-livecontent-dvd.html "Live Content is a great compilation of open source content. If you?re new to open source and want to explore the new possibilities available to you outside of proprietary software and mainstream media, as well as the concepts underpinning the free source movement, Live Content definitely serves it up in one convenient package. The beauty of the Live DVD allows you to take your operating system with you. Just bring your thumb drive with you so you can save whatever you create." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 15 01:23:10 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:53:10 +0530 Subject: A Draft Proposal For Fedora Spins Message-ID: <47DB24FE.9030404@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://lwn.net/Articles/271859 "There is a long way to go to get a straightforward way for a Fedora Special Interest Group (or anyone else) to get a spin approved, but such things always have a start somewhere." Rahul From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 18:09:14 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:09:14 -0400 Subject: name for Fedora compute grid project In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803081447s43bf251t7feb2196cf12620b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204765613.1396.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> <604aa7910803081447s43bf251t7feb2196cf12620b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205604555.8284.67.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 13:47 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Okay, assuming we are only going to allow Fedora clients: > The Fedora Trellis: > The 'open' grid supporting Fedora's growth. > > > If we are going to allow non-Fedora clients I would just call it The Trellis: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Trellis (Actually I lie. I sometimes like it. But not this time.) -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request and ~380 pending requests. That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near future. So lets do something about it. My suggestions are 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for the month and accept that many requests only. For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then open the request form. For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting Freemedia. Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the current situation is not bright either. For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much bandwidth, it may be helpful. Any other suggestions? -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 16 05:37:51 2008 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:07:51 +0530 Subject: Need to do something about Freemedia India. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi all, > > This is about current condition of Freemedia _India_. > Saying in a line... It is badly messed up. > > Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request > and ~380 pending requests. > That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near future. > > So lets do something about it. > > My suggestions are > > 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for the > month and accept that many requests only. +1 for that . Loads of pending request discourage users > For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then > open the request form. > For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. > However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. > But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. > > 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting Freemedia. > Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. > Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the current > situation is not bright either. A suggestion may be is to have regional requests as as to break up requests into modules .this actually lowers the load on free media team . Existing fedora ambassadors may help in this . > For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much > bandwidth, it may be helpful. > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From siddharth at techbugs.org Sun Mar 16 08:25:55 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:55:55 +0530 Subject: Need to do something about Freemedia India. In-Reply-To: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/16/08, subhodip biswas wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is about current condition of Freemedia _India_. > > Saying in a line... It is badly messed up. > > > > Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request > > and ~380 pending requests. > > That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near future. > > > > So lets do something about it. > > > > My suggestions are > > > > 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for the > > month and accept that many requests only. > > > +1 for that . Loads of pending request discourage users > > > > For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then > > open the request form. > > For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. > > However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. > > But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. > > > > 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting Freemedia. > > Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. > > Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the current > > situation is not bright either. > > > A suggestion may be is to have regional requests as as to break up > requests into modules .this actually lowers the load on free media > team . > Existing fedora ambassadors may help in this . > > > > For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much > > bandwidth, it may be helpful. > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > > > ============================================= > > ssh > > 0x86DD170A > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > ============================================= > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > Subhodip Biswas > > GPG key : FAEA34AB > Server : pgp.mit.edu > http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > The Most obvious problem is contribution... we have very less active India Ambassadors and there appears no real solution in near future... as it is initiated.. to send a blank media .. should be an option not a requirement (my view) .. as i see it we first need a saparate freemedia request form where we can put proper information and restrictions.. i can work like this : 1. in the last week of every month we (India Ambassadors) decide on freemedia capacity 2. when the form open the decided number of requests are allowed . 3. when the limit is reached .. the users are given option to send a blank media with return envelop to get the Fedora Media Regards Siddharth From katzj at redhat.com Sun Mar 16 17:41:40 2008 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:41:40 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1205689300.23790.6.camel@aglarond.local> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:56 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > What's left? > > How about an interview with Jeremy about what's new with LiveUSB? It's > one of the most popular/differentiating features of Fedora. > > My apologies if this was already considered elsewhere and I missed it. The big thing being having your changes persist with the live images (http://katzj.livejournal.com/419158.html and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence) Jeremy From kcatallo at redhat.com Mon Mar 17 15:25:16 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:25:16 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1205424297.3973.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <1205424297.3973.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47DE8D5C.8030108@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:17 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > >> Hi All- I know that the beta release for Fedora 9 is upcoming -- still >> on 3/20, right? We announced the F9 Alpha release on press.redhat.com >> (http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/05/help-shape-fedora-9-alpha-release-now-available/), >> so I was thinking we should do the same for the beta release. I'm happy >> to take a stab at a draft working from the beta release notes, but if >> anyone else wants to give it a try, that works too. We'd be posting >> under the "Fedora Team" name. Let me know what you think. >> > > Kerrin, > > I'd be happy to help -- want to post a skeleton or something on the wiki > for me to help with? We have other cooler ways to collaborate, like > Gobby, but I doubt you want to worry about those tools right now. > > Hi Paul & All- Here's a draft of the F9 Beta blog. I tried to include some of the enhancement highlights, but let me know your feedback on what additional information should be included. --- Curious About Fedora 9? by: Fedora Team If you?re curious about what might be included in the next version of Fedora -- Fedora 9 Sulpher, due out in late April 2008 -- today?s Beta release gives a good glimpse into what?s ahead. The Beta release signals the feature freeze for the next release, meaning that all major features that we plan to include have to either be complete or in a testable state. It?s aimed at our developers and early adopters, but everyone in the community is given the opportunity to give feedback to improve our latest and greatest cycles. Testing of the Fedora 9 Beta release is really simple because with live media images, you don?t need to install anything. Some highlights included in the Beta release: o GNOME application enhancements including the ability share files via bluetooth, DVD and DVB support and a new default CD player. o Firefox 3 Beta 3 Browser o Improvements for managing network devices o A software flash browser plugin o Consolidated dictionary support o Anaconda installer improvements o Live image improvements o FreeIPA, to help make managing auditing, identity and policy easier o Virtualization For more information on enhancements, see the Beta release notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes) Where does it go from here? Next, we take all of the feedback reported from the Beta and make enhancements and tweaks in time for the upcoming development and translation freezes and the planned April 22 Release Candidate 1. The final Fedora 9 release is scheduled for April 29. --- thanks, Kerri From juankprada at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 17:18:50 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:18:50 -0400 Subject: how is this website related to the project? Message-ID: well i was just searching for some tips/tutorials/guides on the internet and i found this site-> http://www.fedoramd.org/ It happens to have almost the same content of fp.o site but doest seem to be a official website, my concern is that if it is not official it doesnt specify, and due to it being so like fp.o it could have content that might damage the ideas of fedora project -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 17 18:21:22 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:21:22 -0700 Subject: how is this website related to the project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0803171121i612ddf4aof45467ed699904f7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/17 Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda : > well i was just searching for some tips/tutorials/guides on the internet and > i found this site-> http://www.fedoramd.org/ > > It happens to have almost the same content of fp.o site but doest seem to be > a official website, my concern is that if it is not > official it doesnt specify, and due to it being so like fp.o it could have > content that might damage the ideas of fedora project I'm not sure it'll damage fedora project but he[1] is one of our mirrors[2] in Moldova[3]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/VasileChelban [2] http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist (County Code MD) [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From gelios at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 20:56:03 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:56:03 +0300 Subject: how is this website related to the project? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0803171121i612ddf4aof45467ed699904f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0803171121i612ddf4aof45467ed699904f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448999300803171356k15f1a2b3t54bb4eca95b43de6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Thomas Chung wrote: > 2008/3/17 Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda : > > > > well i was just searching for some tips/tutorials/guides on the internet and > > i found this site-> http://www.fedoramd.org/ > > > > It happens to have almost the same content of fp.o site but doest seem to be > > a official website, my concern is that if it is not > > official it doesnt specify, and due to it being so like fp.o it could have > > content that might damage the ideas of fedora project > > I'm not sure it'll damage fedora project but he[1] is one of our > mirrors[2] in Moldova[3]. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/VasileChelban > [2] http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist (County Code MD) > [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Looks like that. http://www.fedoramd.org/wiki/ contain useful information in Russian(??). From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 17 20:10:31 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:10:31 -0600 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47DE8D5C.8030108@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <1205424297.3973.3.camel at localhost.localdomain> <47DE8D5C.8030108 at redhat.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org Received: from 88-111-145-138.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.111.145.138] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:10:31 -0600 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Kerrin :) Just a couple of comments: > Curious About Fedora 9? > by: Fedora Team > > If you???re curious about what might be included in the next version of > Fedora -- Fedora 9 Sulpher, due out in late April 2008 -- today???s Beta > release gives a good glimpse into what???s ahead. The Beta release signals > the feature freeze for the next release, meaning that all major features > that we plan to include have to either be complete or in a testable > state. It???s aimed at our developers and early adopters, but everyone in > the community is given the opportunity to give feedback to improve our > latest and greatest cycles. Testing of the Fedora 9 Beta release is > really simple because with live media images, you don???t need to install > anything. > > Some highlights included in the Beta release: > o GNOME application enhancements including the ability share files via > bluetooth, DVD and DVB support and a new default CD player. > o Firefox 3 Beta 3 Browser I think it's beta 4 now ? I've updated the Release Notes to say this but actually I'm not certain! > o Improvements for managing network devices > o A software flash browser plugin Should probably try and highlight that it's a *free software* flash plugin, that's enabled by *default* > o Consolidated dictionary support > o Anaconda installer improvements encrypted partitions might be worth mentioning here explicitly > o Live image improvements > o FreeIPA, to help make managing auditing, identity and policy easier > o Virtualization > For more information on enhancements, see the Beta release notes. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes) > > Where does it go from here? Next, we take all of the feedback reported > from the Beta and make enhancements and tweaks in time for the upcoming > development and translation freezes and the planned April 22 Release > Candidate 1. The final Fedora 9 release is scheduled for April 29. Thanks! Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 18 12:25:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:25:58 +0200 Subject: how is this website related to the project? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0803171121i612ddf4aof45467ed699904f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0803171121i612ddf4aof45467ed699904f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DFB4D6.4080806@nicubunu.ro> Thomas Chung wrote: > 2008/3/17 Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda : >> well i was just searching for some tips/tutorials/guides on the internet and >> i found this site-> http://www.fedoramd.org/ >> >> It happens to have almost the same content of fp.o site but doest seem to be >> a official website, my concern is that if it is not >> official it doesnt specify, and due to it being so like fp.o it could have >> content that might damage the ideas of fedora project > > I'm not sure it'll damage fedora project but he[1] is one of our > mirrors[2] in Moldova[3]. But is fair from them to use exactly the same content as fp.org with *two more* banner ads (and some local news feeds)? If fair is such case to have the following footer text? "Copyright ? 2008 Red Hat, Inc. and others. All Rights Reserved. Please send any comments or corrections to the websites FedoraMD.org. The Fedora Project is maintained and driven by the community and sponsored by Red Hat. This is a community maintained site. Red Hat is not responsible for content" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 13:18:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:18:16 -0400 Subject: Tiemann speech online Message-ID: <1205846296.25162.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Part of Michael Tiemann's "Fedora in the Enterprise" speech from FUDCon Raleigh 2008 is now available in Ogg Theora format on the Fedora torrent site: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/fudcon-raleigh-2008-tiemann-truncated.ogg.torrent Unfortunately, some scheduling and technical conflicts meant we couldn't capture the entire speech, but only the first 15 minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience, and hope you enjoy the segment we were able to provide. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > Part of Michael Tiemann's "Fedora in the Enterprise" speech from FUDCon > Raleigh 2008 is now available in Ogg Theora format on the Fedora torrent > site: > > http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/fudcon-raleigh-2008-tiemann-truncated.ogg.torrent This one begs the comment: "seed plz!" :D -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 13:34:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:34:09 +0100 Subject: Tiemann speech online Message-ID: <002101c888fc$bece0cd0$ba00000a@grecom.local> Part of Michael Tiemann's "Fedora in the Enterprise" speech from FUDCon Raleigh 2008 is now available in Ogg Theora format on the Fedora torrent site: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/fudcon-raleigh-2008-tiemann-truncated.ogg.torrent Unfortunately, some scheduling and technical conflicts meant we couldn't capture the entire speech, but only the first 15 minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience, and hope you enjoy the segment we were able to provide. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From kcatallo at redhat.com Tue Mar 18 19:44:48 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:44:48 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > <1205424297.3973.3.camel at localhost.localdomain> <47DE8D5C.8030108 at redhat.com> > Message-ID: > X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org > Received: from 88-111-145-138.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.111.145.138] with > HTTP/1.1 (POST); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:10:31 -0600 > User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > Hey Kerrin :) > > Just a couple of comments: > > >> Curious About Fedora 9? >> by: Fedora Team >> >> If you???re curious about what might be included in the next version of >> Fedora -- Fedora 9 Sulpher, due out in late April 2008 -- today???s Beta >> release gives a good glimpse into what???s ahead. The Beta release >> > signals > >> the feature freeze for the next release, meaning that all major features >> that we plan to include have to either be complete or in a testable >> state. It???s aimed at our developers and early adopters, but everyone in >> the community is given the opportunity to give feedback to improve our >> latest and greatest cycles. Testing of the Fedora 9 Beta release is >> really simple because with live media images, you don???t need to install >> anything. >> >> Some highlights included in the Beta release: >> o GNOME application enhancements including the ability share files via >> bluetooth, DVD and DVB support and a new default CD player. >> o Firefox 3 Beta 3 Browser >> > > I think it's beta 4 now ? I've updated the Release Notes to say this but > actually I'm not certain! > > >> o Improvements for managing network devices >> o A software flash browser plugin >> > > Should probably try and highlight that it's a *free software* flash plugin, > that's enabled by *default* > > >> o Consolidated dictionary support >> o Anaconda installer improvements >> > > encrypted partitions might be worth mentioning here explicitly > > >> o Live image improvements >> o FreeIPA, to help make managing auditing, identity and policy easier >> o Virtualization >> For more information on enhancements, see the Beta release notes. >> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes) >> >> Where does it go from here? Next, we take all of the feedback reported >> from the Beta and make enhancements and tweaks in time for the upcoming >> development and translation freezes and the planned April 22 Release >> Candidate 1. The final Fedora 9 release is scheduled for April 29. >> > > Thanks! > > Jon > Jon- Thanks for the input. Does anyone else have any edits? Would be great if we could finalize the content by tomorrow (Wed.) so we have it ready for posting on Thurs. morning ET. thanks, Kerri From gdk at redhat.com Tue Mar 18 19:55:53 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for Saturday. So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). Please either: a. RSVP with a yes; or b. RSVP with a no and a proposal; or c. RSVP with regrets. Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. --g On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, John Babich wrote: > Due to network problems, the marketing meeting to continue refining > the Fedora Marketing Plan did not happen as planned at 2000 hrs UTC on > Thursday, 13 March. > > We would like to reschedule the meeting for this coming Saturday, 15 > March, at 1800 hrs UTC. > > Please see the following links to review the discussion up to this point: > > (06 March) Meeting Summary: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00025.html > (06 March) IRC Log: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00027.html > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 18 20:00:02 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:00:02 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E01F42.4080702@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > Please either: > a. RSVP with a yes; or I'll be there! ~m From rondeau.matthieu.r at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 20:09:24 2008 From: rondeau.matthieu.r at gmail.com (Matthieu Rondeau) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:09:24 +0100 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: <47E01F42.4080702@fedoraproject.org> References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> <47E01F42.4080702@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1205870964.2835.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 18 mars 2008 ? 16:00 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > > Saturday. > > > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > > > Please either: > > a. RSVP with a yes; or > > I'll be there! > > ~m Same here, at least I'll try Matt From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 18 20:23:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:53:28 +0530 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E024C0.1020604@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > Please either: > a. RSVP with a yes; or > b. RSVP with a no and a proposal; or > c. RSVP with regrets. > > Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. Yes Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 18 20:42:54 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:42:54 -0600 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: <47E024C0.1020604@fedoraproject.org> References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803182142.m2ILgu5A016932@mx3.redhat.com> <47E024C0.1020604 at fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <901a4e2ce0ced511a88f94b0adde2f91 at www.questionsplease.org> X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org Received: from 88-111-198-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.111.198.40] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:42:54 -0600 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. I'll be around - see you all there :) Jon From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 03:27:34 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:57:34 +0530 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803190857.34271.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 01:25:53 am Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). Yes, I will be there. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 03:55:01 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:55:01 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E08E95.1030705@gmail.com> I can attend part of it. Usual work follows shortly after the start of the meeting Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but > looks like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > Please either: > a. RSVP with a yes; or > b. RSVP with a no and a proposal; or > c. RSVP with regrets. > > Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. > > --g > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, John Babich wrote: > >> Due to network problems, the marketing meeting to continue refining >> the Fedora Marketing Plan did not happen as planned at 2000 hrs UTC on >> Thursday, 13 March. >> >> We would like to reschedule the meeting for this coming Saturday, 15 >> March, at 1800 hrs UTC. >> >> Please see the following links to review the discussion up to this >> point: >> >> (06 March) Meeting Summary: >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00025.html >> >> (06 March) IRC Log: >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00027.html >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> John Babich >> Volunteer, Fedora Project >> >> > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 19 04:01:22 2008 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:31:22 +0530 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: <47E08E95.1030705@gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> <47E08E95.1030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <539333cb0803182101w560a9ffcrd3255410e735ef53@mail.gmail.com> yes I will be there -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 04:09:47 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:39:47 +0530 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: <539333cb0803182101w560a9ffcrd3255410e735ef53@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> <47E08E95.1030705@gmail.com> <539333cb0803182101w560a9ffcrd3255410e735ef53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: :( .... I shall not be able to...as I will be out of station. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:31 AM, subhodip biswas wrote: > yes I will be there > > > -- > Regards > Subhodip Biswas > > GPG key : FAEA34AB > Server : pgp.mit.edu > http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 12:43:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:43:50 +0000 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205930630.12292.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 15:55 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > Please either: > a. RSVP with a yes; or > b. RSVP with a no and a proposal; or > c. RSVP with regrets. > > Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. I can't do Thursday at 3pm because of a conf call, but I'll be logging, and that meeting may not last incredibly long. I can probably catch you guys for the last half hour or so. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 12:52:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:52:58 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 interviews - what's left In-Reply-To: <1205689300.23790.6.camel@aglarond.local> References: <47CC6EDC.9000906@fedoraproject.org> <1205689300.23790.6.camel@aglarond.local> Message-ID: <1205931178.12292.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 13:41 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:56 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > What's left? > > > > How about an interview with Jeremy about what's new with LiveUSB? It's > > one of the most popular/differentiating features of Fedora. > > > > My apologies if this was already considered elsewhere and I missed it. > > The big thing being having your changes persist with the live images > (http://katzj.livejournal.com/419158.html and > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence) Not to mention the resizing and encrypting functions. Sweet! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From joadams at redhat.com Wed Mar 19 19:46:34 2008 From: joadams at redhat.com (John Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:46:34 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting for this week, please RSVP In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803131357r6cb128fdvae57d359674a2129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E16D9A.9030606@redhat.com> Yes, I'll be there. Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Hello all. I was on PTO and missed this meeting last week -- but looks > like it was chaos because of the network outage here at Red Hat HQ. > > Also doesn't look like anybody bit on the meeting reschedulement for > Saturday. > > So. Time to get back on the bike and start pedalling again. > > My proposal: this Thursday, 1900 UTC (which is 3pm EDT). > > Please either: > a. RSVP with a yes; or > b. RSVP with a no and a proposal; or > c. RSVP with regrets. > > Thanks all. Looking forward to another productive meeting. > > --g > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, John Babich wrote: > >> Due to network problems, the marketing meeting to continue refining >> the Fedora Marketing Plan did not happen as planned at 2000 hrs UTC on >> Thursday, 13 March. >> >> We would like to reschedule the meeting for this coming Saturday, 15 >> March, at 1800 hrs UTC. >> >> Please see the following links to review the discussion up to this >> point: >> >> (06 March) Meeting Summary: >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00025.html >> >> (06 March) IRC Log: >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00027.html >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> John Babich >> Volunteer, Fedora Project >> >> > -- John Q. Adams Brand Manager | Red Hat Brand Communications + Design 919.754.4471 joadams at redhat.com From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Mar 20 02:37:51 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:37:51 -0400 Subject: Store SIG Update - 2008-03-19 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803191937rc0113a1yc9c5c2eb7254c6cc@mail.gmail.com> The Fedora Store SIG [1] meeting was canceled today due to lack of attendance. As I mentioned on IRC though for anyone that came by later, I was going to post a brief summary of where we are at now. I ordered a sample shirt from spreadshirt.com earlier this week. I ordered it in similar style to the one I ordered from cafepress.com a few weeks ago and can compare it to some Fedora shirts I have that were made by a genuine screen printer. I am hoping it arrives by the end of this week, early next week. If the quality of that shirt is good I am inclined to recommend that we go with spreadshirt.com for the 3rd party vendor that we use for the user store front. Our fellow Ambassadors in France use them for their store and have been satisfied with the results. Once the vendor decision has been made I anticipate the Store moving forward at a more rapid place as nearly all of the pieces will have fallen into place. We do have one other major open action item open at this point and that is a mockup of what store.fedoraproject.org might look like. We still need someone to help us out with a mockup of this page. We have listed some general requirements [2] of the page in the wiki and I am happy to answer any questions regarding that page. I see we have a few art team members on the participants list for the Store SIG - any volunteers? I updated the meeting page [3] for next week. Some people have mentioned that the time is not good for them. I am open to moving the time of the meeting if a few people want to throw out a few alternate times. Otherwise, we will meet again next week in the #fedora-mktg channel on Wednesday at 18:00 UTC. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/GeneralRequirements [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Meetings From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 02:46:05 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:46:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Store SIG Update - 2008-03-19 In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803191937rc0113a1yc9c5c2eb7254c6cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00803191937rc0113a1yc9c5c2eb7254c6cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > I ordered a sample shirt from spreadshirt.com earlier this week. I > ordered it in similar style to the one I ordered from cafepress.com a > few weeks ago and can compare it to some Fedora shirts I have that > were made by a genuine screen printer. I am hoping it arrives by the > end of this week, early next week. > > If the quality of that shirt is good I am inclined to recommend that > we go with spreadshirt.com for the 3rd party vendor that we use for > the user store front. Our fellow Ambassadors in France use them for > their store and have been satisfied with the results. Once the vendor > decision has been made I anticipate the Store moving forward at a more > rapid place as nearly all of the pieces will have fallen into place. Sounds good to me. > > We do have one other major open action item open at this point and > that is a mockup of what store.fedoraproject.org might look like. We > still need someone to help us out with a mockup of this page. We have > listed some general requirements [2] of the page in the wiki and I am > happy to answer any questions regarding that page. I see we have a > few art team members on the participants list for the Store SIG - any > volunteers? I can put something together, hopefully during this week or next. > > I updated the meeting page [3] for next week. Some people have > mentioned that the time is not good for them. I am open to moving the > time of the meeting if a few people want to throw out a few alternate > times. Otherwise, we will meet again next week in the #fedora-mktg > channel on Wednesday at 18:00 UTC. Weekdays at about 21:00 UTC work best for me, since I have school until 14:30 Central Time (America/Chicago). -- ian From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 20 04:32:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:32:16 -0700 Subject: Single summary (cont'd) Message-ID: <1205987536.13919.496.camel@calliope.phig.org> ... sort of dropped getting this organized for the Preview Release notes work, so we may have repeated ourselves needlessly, but lessons learned and on we go. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SingleSourceSummary/9 Everything I've found or written so far is jammed in there. The goal is to write one single page that has multiple potential audience pieces. 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Cheers Gopal Das On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > On 3/16/08, subhodip biswas wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, susmit shannigrahi > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is about current condition of Freemedia _India_. > > > Saying in a line... It is badly messed up. > > > > > > Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request > > > and ~380 pending requests. > > > That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near > future. > > > > > > So lets do something about it. > > > > > > My suggestions are > > > > > > 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for > the > > > month and accept that many requests only. > > > > > > +1 for that . Loads of pending request discourage users > > > > > > > For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then > > > open the request form. > > > For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. > > > However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. > > > But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. > > > > > > 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting > Freemedia. > > > Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. > > > Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the > current > > > situation is not bright either. > > > > > > A suggestion may be is to have regional requests as as to break up > > requests into modules .this actually lowers the load on free media > > team . > > Existing fedora ambassadors may help in this . > > > > > > > For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much > > > bandwidth, it may be helpful. > > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Susmit. > > > > > > ============================================= > > > ssh > > > 0x86DD170A > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > > ============================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards > > Subhodip Biswas > > > > GPG key : FAEA34AB > > Server : pgp.mit.edu > > http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com > > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > The Most obvious problem is contribution... we have very less active > India Ambassadors and there appears no real solution in near future... > as it is initiated.. to send a blank media .. should be an option not > a requirement (my view) .. > > as i see it we first need a saparate freemedia request form where we > can put proper information and restrictions.. i can work like this : > 1. in the last week of every month we (India Ambassadors) decide on > freemedia capacity > 2. when the form open the decided number of requests are allowed . > 3. when the limit is reached .. the users are given option to send a > blank media with return envelop to get the Fedora Media > > Regards > Siddharth > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 08:19:30 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:30 +0100 Subject: Mandriva supports eee Message-ID: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ Interesting article. I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] Are there any plans to support eeedora project? there are milions of eee sold and although xandros has made a nice UI for it the base system has lost of issues if users want to install new software (apt-get dependency hell because of conflicting xandros, debian, ubuntu and eee repos). Cheers, Valent. [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Mar 20 09:05:56 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:05:56 -0600 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E228F4.4020800@prodigy.net.mx> Valent Turkovic escribi?: > http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ > > Interesting article. > > I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a > project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] > > Are there any plans to support eeedora project? there are milions of > eee sold and although xandros has made a nice UI for it the base > system has lost of issues if users want to install new software > (apt-get dependency hell because of conflicting xandros, debian, > ubuntu and eee repos). > > Cheers, > Valent. > > [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ > > I'm not sure if it is of any indication, but in the .src.rpm for the 2.6.25-rc5-git4 kernel available in the development repo, there is at least one patch aimed at supporting the eee, so I think that support for this new hot device is indeed a priority, at least so much as to warrant a patch for the kernel for it. From kcatallo at redhat.com Thu Mar 20 13:27:55 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:27:55 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> Hi All- The blog is now published: http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. thanks, Kerri From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 20 13:35:48 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:35:48 -0600 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200803201335.m2KDZp8M010962@mx3.redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199 at mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002 at redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209 at redhat.com> Message-ID: <168e7a92252992dcf3330ad6977f7237 at www.questionsplease.org> X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org Received: from 88-109-158-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.109.158.176] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:35:48 -0600 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:27:55 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Hi All- The blog is now published: > http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. > > thanks, Ah, thank you! You're becoming one of my favourite people at the various releases :) Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 20 13:42:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:42:19 +0200 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Hi All- The blog is now published: > http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. Isn't it a bit (a couple of hours) early? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 14:19:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:19:50 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1206022790.27516.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > > Hi All- The blog is now published: > > http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. > > Isn't it a bit (a couple of hours) early? Actually, now it's a few *days* early -- our release engineering has decided to slip the Beta until Tuesday, 25 March, to get some additional problems fixed. I'm trying to reach Kerrin so we can retract the release until then. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kcatallo at redhat.com Thu Mar 20 14:24:42 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:24:42 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1206022790.27516.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> <1206022790.27516.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E273AA.5060101@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: >> >>> Hi All- The blog is now published: >>> http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. >>> >> Isn't it a bit (a couple of hours) early? >> > > Actually, now it's a few *days* early -- our release engineering has > decided to slip the Beta until Tuesday, 25 March, to get some additional > problems fixed. I'm trying to reach Kerrin so we can retract the > release until then. > > Hi Paul- Got your note and the blog is now down. Please let us know as soon as we know there's a slip in date so we can change our annmts. thanks, Kerri From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Mar 20 14:34:08 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:34:08 -0500 Subject: Mandriva supports eee References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ > > Interesting article. > > I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a > project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] > [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ ... > Are there any plans to support eeedora project? All it takes really is someone (or a group of someones) to step up and create a fedora SIG to produce/support such a thing. -- Rex From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 14:50:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:50:15 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E273AA.5060101@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> <1206022790.27516.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E273AA.5060101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206024615.27516.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 10:24 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > >> Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All- The blog is now published: > >>> http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. > >>> > >> Isn't it a bit (a couple of hours) early? > >> > > > > Actually, now it's a few *days* early -- our release engineering has > > decided to slip the Beta until Tuesday, 25 March, to get some additional > > problems fixed. I'm trying to reach Kerrin so we can retract the > > release until then. > > > > > Hi Paul- Got your note and the blog is now down. Please let us know as > soon as we know there's a slip in date so we can change our annmts. Will do Kerri. Although this was a late-breaking development, we don't want to scare you guys off getting involved so early and effectively! ;-) ?Sorry about the mixup, and I'll make sure that you have *plenty* of notice for any other schedule changes. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would help if you ask the question in one list instead of continuing to insist on posting messages all over. I already replied at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-March/msg01978.html Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 15:02:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:02:29 +0000 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <1206024615.27516.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> <47E2665B.9090209@redhat.com> <47E269BB.5050504@nicubunu.ro> <1206022790.27516.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E273AA.5060101@redhat.com> <1206024615.27516.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206025349.27516.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 10:50 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 10:24 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > > > >> Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi All- The blog is now published: > > >>> http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/20/curious-about-fedora-9/. > > >>> > > >> Isn't it a bit (a couple of hours) early? > > >> > > > > > > Actually, now it's a few *days* early -- our release engineering has > > > decided to slip the Beta until Tuesday, 25 March, to get some additional > > > problems fixed. I'm trying to reach Kerrin so we can retract the > > > release until then. > > > > > > > > Hi Paul- Got your note and the blog is now down. Please let us know as > > soon as we know there's a slip in date so we can change our annmts. > > Will do Kerri. Although this was a late-breaking development, we don't > want to scare you guys off getting involved so early and > effectively! ;-) > > ?Sorry about the mixup, and I'll make sure that you have *plenty* of > notice for any other schedule changes. Since I make a habit of replying to myself on threads -- We had an introductory "release day planning" conference yesterday, and amidst other topics, a mini-slip until Tuesday was discussed. I honestly don't recall whether there was a decision to do it at that point, but there may well have been. In any case, if there's a blame to be found here, I'm sure it's on me, since I didn't think to raise the alert flag for this group at that time. I'll be more vigilant about this going forward -- apologies to everyone. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 09:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ > > > > Interesting article. > > > > I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a > > project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] > > [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ > ... > > Are there any plans to support eeedora project? > > All it takes really is someone (or a group of someones) to step up and > create a fedora SIG to produce/support such a thing. I actually emailed a group of people, including the Eeedora maintainer and some Fedora contributors, to encourage the formation of this type of effort in February, and the thread moved a little bit before trailing off. I'm not sure we can host Eeedora itself due to some (*sigh*) nonfree bits required by the hardware vendor's implementation, but we certainly can and should bring some more eyeballs to the work. If they haven't done it already, anyone of the group -- and I've Cc:'d them for good measure -- could probably communicate with other interested groups using the Fedora Planet feed to attract some interest. There are a *lot* of people who either read or aggregate our Planet. It just takes someone with a blog, or the interest in setting one up (which is dead-simple; you don't even have to DIY), to start that ball rolling. There's a rollup effect too, because Fedora Weekly News, for example, grabs items from the Planet as well. ?I suggested this in the previous thread as well. What else can we do to seed some Eeedora interest? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 15:22:27 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 09:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ > > > > Interesting article. > > > > I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a > > project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] > > [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ > ... > > Are there any plans to support eeedora project? > > All it takes really is someone (or a group of someones) to step up and > create a fedora SIG to produce/support such a thing. I actually emailed a group of people, including the Eeedora maintainer and some Fedora contributors, to encourage the formation of this type of effort in February, and the thread moved a little bit before trailing off. I'm not sure we can host Eeedora itself due to some (*sigh*) nonfree bits required by the hardware vendor's implementation, but we certainly can and should bring some more eyeballs to the work. If they haven't done it already, anyone of the group -- and I've Cc:'d them for good measure -- could probably communicate with other interested groups using the Fedora Planet feed to attract some interest. There are a *lot* of people who either read or aggregate our Planet. It just takes someone with a blog, or the interest in setting one up (which is dead-simple; you don't even have to DIY), to start that ball rolling. There's a rollup effect too, because Fedora Weekly News, for example, grabs items from the Planet as well. ?I suggested this in the previous thread as well. What else can we do to seed some Eeedora interest? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 20 16:05:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:05:19 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 09:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: >> >> All it takes really is someone (or a group of someones) to step up and >> create a fedora SIG to produce/support such a thing. > > I actually emailed a group of people, including the Eeedora maintainer > and some Fedora contributors, to encourage the formation of this type of > effort in February, and the thread moved a little bit before trailing > off. I'm not sure we can host Eeedora itself due to some (*sigh*) > nonfree bits required by the hardware vendor's implementation, but we > certainly can and should bring some more eyeballs to the work. I don't own an Eee PC don't play to buy one at least until the second generation (with a bigger display) will get out (expected this summer) but if I had such a device I would want to install a full Fedora, not a bastardized version of it (I may consider the Xfce spin if it is too slow for GNOME). This is why I am curious why (if) Eee PC is not supported by Fedora out-of-the box. As I understand from the linked article, Mandriva works OOTB on Eee PC, only with some minor issues. It is not the same with Fedora? Several other similar devices are released or are expected to be released during the F9 life cycle (Cloudbook, MSI Wind, etc.) so I think its is a worthy goal to have Fedora usable on them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jdieter at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 16:58:58 2008 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:58:58 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 18:05 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I don't own an Eee PC don't play to buy one at least until the second > generation (with a bigger display) will get out (expected this summer) > but if I had such a device I would want to install a full Fedora, not a > bastardized version of it (I may consider the Xfce spin if it is too > slow for GNOME). > This is why I am curious why (if) Eee PC is not supported by Fedora > out-of-the box. As I understand from the linked article, Mandriva works > OOTB on Eee PC, only with some minor issues. It is not the same with Fedora? [snip] FWIW, I have an Eee PC, so I'll try to answer this: When I first got the Eee PC, none of its network interfaces were supported by Fedora. I needed both the atl2 driver for the wired network and madwifi for the wireless. As the Eee PC doesn't have a CD drive, that left no easy way to get it installed. In the end, I downloaded and installed Eeedora, and then reverted any changed packages back to Fedora (bringing me back to a standard Fedora install). I also went back to Gnome (mainly because it's familiar), set up a swap partition for hibernation (setting sys.vm.swappiness to 0 so it doesn't swap unless absolutely necessary), and installed compiz-fusion. It works great for me, and I've had no problems using it to connect at various miscellaneous hotspots. ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 20 17:28:02 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:28:02 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 18:05 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> This is why I am curious why (if) Eee PC is not supported by Fedora >> out-of-the box. As I understand from the linked article, Mandriva works >> OOTB on Eee PC, only with some minor issues. It is not the same with Fedora? > [snip] > > FWIW, I have an Eee PC, so I'll try to answer this: > > When I first got the Eee PC, none of its network interfaces were > supported by Fedora. I needed both the atl2 driver for the wired > network and madwifi for the wireless. > > As the Eee PC doesn't have a CD drive, that left no easy way to get it > installed. In the end, I downloaded and installed Eeedora, and then > reverted any changed packages back to Fedora (bringing me back to a > standard Fedora install). But now with the livecd-iso-to-disk helping to create a bootable USB stick I expect this in not such a hassle, right? > I also went back to Gnome (mainly because it's familiar), set up a swap > partition for hibernation (setting sys.vm.swappiness to 0 so it doesn't > swap unless absolutely necessary), and installed compiz-fusion. It > works great for me, and I've had no problems using it to connect at > various miscellaneous hotspots. > > ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver > for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 > wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. So if I understand correctly, the main remaining problem is the madwifi driver, for which we can't do much about and the rest is pretty smooth. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gdk at redhat.com Thu Mar 20 19:04:46 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: REMINDER: Fedora mktg meeting happening NOW Message-ID: ...on freenode, #fedora-mktg. Come on down. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jdieter at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 20:02:41 2008 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:02:41 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 19:28 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > FWIW, I have an Eee PC, so I'll try to answer this: > > > > When I first got the Eee PC, none of its network interfaces were > > supported by Fedora. I needed both the atl2 driver for the wired > > network and madwifi for the wireless. > > > > As the Eee PC doesn't have a CD drive, that left no easy way to get it > > installed. In the end, I downloaded and installed Eeedora, and then > > reverted any changed packages back to Fedora (bringing me back to a > > standard Fedora install). > > But now with the livecd-iso-to-disk helping to create a bootable USB > stick I expect this in not such a hassle, right? I would expect not. Also, as mentioned below, atl2 is now in Fedora, which means you should be able to do a network install with F9+. > > I also went back to Gnome (mainly because it's familiar), set up a swap > > partition for hibernation (setting sys.vm.swappiness to 0 so it doesn't > > swap unless absolutely necessary), and installed compiz-fusion. It > > works great for me, and I've had no problems using it to connect at > > various miscellaneous hotspots. > > > > ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver > > for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 > > wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. > > So if I understand correctly, the main remaining problem is the madwifi > driver, for which we can't do much about and the rest is pretty smooth. That's my take, anyway. FWIW, the F8 rhgb doesn't scale properly on 800x480 and the gdm login screen just *barely* fits. But those are both minor details. Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 21:12:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:12:39 +0000 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206047559.27516.191.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 22:02 +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 19:28 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > > FWIW, I have an Eee PC, so I'll try to answer this: > > > > > > When I first got the Eee PC, none of its network interfaces were > > > supported by Fedora. I needed both the atl2 driver for the wired > > > network and madwifi for the wireless. > > > > > > As the Eee PC doesn't have a CD drive, that left no easy way to get it > > > installed. In the end, I downloaded and installed Eeedora, and then > > > reverted any changed packages back to Fedora (bringing me back to a > > > standard Fedora install). > > > > But now with the livecd-iso-to-disk helping to create a bootable USB > > stick I expect this in not such a hassle, right? > > I would expect not. Also, as mentioned below, atl2 is now in Fedora, > which means you should be able to do a network install with F9+. > > > > I also went back to Gnome (mainly because it's familiar), set up a swap > > > partition for hibernation (setting sys.vm.swappiness to 0 so it doesn't > > > swap unless absolutely necessary), and installed compiz-fusion. It > > > works great for me, and I've had no problems using it to connect at > > > various miscellaneous hotspots. > > > > > > ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver > > > for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 > > > wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. > > > > So if I understand correctly, the main remaining problem is the madwifi > > driver, for which we can't do much about and the rest is pretty smooth. > > That's my take, anyway. FWIW, the F8 rhgb doesn't scale properly on > 800x480 and the gdm login screen just *barely* fits. But those are both > minor details. So how do you guys propose to get some of this information past the small audience on this list and into a larger domain? If there's call for it, why not a EeePC SIG and some wiki pages that will be of use to Fedora lovers who have this hardware, or for that matter, EeePC lovers who want to try Fedora? The previously suggested blog postings? Connecting these two dots in the googlemind is a big win. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 20 21:19:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:49:44 +0530 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206047559.27516.191.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206047559.27516.191.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E2D4F0.3030006@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > So how do you guys propose to get some of this information past the > small audience on this list and into a larger domain? If there's call > for it, why not a EeePC SIG and some wiki pages that will be of use to > Fedora lovers who have this hardware, or for that matter, EeePC lovers > who want to try Fedora? The previously suggested blog postings? > Connecting these two dots in the googlemind is a big win. Post a invitation to fedora-devel list and copy that into your blog too. Rahul From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Mar 21 00:47:44 2008 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:47:44 -0400 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080321004744.GF25428@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:58:58PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver > for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 > wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. ath5k doesn't work on this wireless hardware? From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Mar 21 07:04:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:04:16 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E35DF0.7020301@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > That's my take, anyway. FWIW, the F8 rhgb doesn't scale properly on > 800x480 and the gdm login screen just *barely* fits. But those are both > minor details. We have a couple of bleeding edge stuff for this case too, so bleeding edge that is probably can't be found on any other distro: - as you may know, GDM is rewritten. It was so bleeding edge that it was not included in GNOME 2.22, which reverted in the last minute to the previous version. The Red Hat Desktop team is confident that the additional time will allow them to fix the last remaining issues. I have not looked at the layout yet (will do after the Beta, but I don't have an Eee anyway) but it is supposed to scale much better. It would be useful is some Eee user will test that and report the bugs, if any. - another brand-new feature form the Desktop Team is multiresolution backgrounds. That is, the Art Team can provide the desktop wallpaper as an XML linking to multiple images, appropriate for various screen sizes. I will try to take care of that so we do not forget 800x480 as one of those sizes. I think we have enough facts that until the release day will allow us to spin a positive image for Fedora's Eee usage. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jdieter at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 10:38:17 2008 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:38:17 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <20080321004744.GF25428@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080321004744.GF25428@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1206095897.3929.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 20:47 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:58:58PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > ATM the only non-Fedora bits I have on it are the patched madwifi driver > > for wireless and the asus_acpi_eee driver so the hotkeys work. The atl2 > > wired driver is now included in the latest Fedora kernels. > > ath5k doesn't work on this wireless hardware? In the F8 kernels, no, and, at least from what I'm tracking elsewhere, it hasn't been implemented upstream yet. Basically, Asus created a patch against Madwifi and is using that for the Eee PC's native OS. See http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 for more information. Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jdieter at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 10:41:24 2008 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:41:24 +0200 Subject: Mandriva supports eee In-Reply-To: <47E35DF0.7020301@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300803200119n365c4f9euc5b9aae3f32910be@mail.gmail.com> <1206026547.27516.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E28B3F.7030501@nicubunu.ro> <1206032338.3929.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E29EA2.6070508@nicubunu.ro> <1206043361.3929.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E35DF0.7020301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1206096084.3929.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 09:04 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > - as you may know, GDM is rewritten. It was so bleeding edge that it was > not included in GNOME 2.22, which reverted in the last minute to the > previous version. The Red Hat Desktop team is confident that the > additional time will allow them to fix the last remaining issues. I have > not looked at the layout yet (will do after the Beta, but I don't have > an Eee anyway) but it is supposed to scale much better. It would be > useful is some Eee user will test that and report the bugs, if any. I will happily try things out on my Eee PC if it helps. Let me see what I can do about getting Rawhide running on the Eee PC (it will mainly be an issue with tracking Rawhide, I'm bandwidth impaired). > I think we have enough facts that until the release day will allow us to > spin a positive image for Fedora's Eee usage. Brilliant! Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing that would potentially hang it up would be the need to design/write a quick manual of some sort and where to print the stickers. Of course, I'd look at another company as a great example in doing this: Apple. Their box for the latest OS X, Leopard, is very nice, and utilizes its space well. There is a short manual containing information on installing, what you can do with it, and how to get help (however the text in it is quite small), the installation DVD is included, and of course, Apple logo stickers. I'm sure you can find pictures online, but if necessary I'll take pictures if I get a chance. -- ian From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 19:27:04 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:27:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Something for the store SIG to consider as there is a good amount of > support for it > > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=184031 Someone on the forum also linked to this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#head-b3ac209faa80d843496ba43b8a3048e6380f0412 "Will Fedora be sold in retail? "Fedora will not be sold through the retail channel as a shrinkwrapped box. There is no list price for Fedora. The rapid development pace we expect for Fedora doesn't suit retail distribution ? it is a lot of work to get a box product in and out of the channel, and retail isn't set up to efficiently handle software that is updated as often as every six months. Also, the creation of packaging and other materials that are necessary for retail significantly slows down the time to market, which means that users can't get the freshest bits when they are still truly fresh. Further information on Red Hat's retail product line is available at the Red Hat website." I still think it's a neat concept, however it may not fit Fedora all that well. Potentially a "starter kit" would be something neat, with manuals, general FAQs, and, of course, stickers ;) -- ian From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 21 19:49:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:19:44 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Something for the store SIG to consider as there is a good amount of >> support for it >> >> http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=184031 > Someone on the forum also linked to this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#head-b3ac209faa80d843496ba43b8a3048e6380f0412 > > > "Will Fedora be sold in retail? > > "Fedora will not be sold through the retail channel as a shrinkwrapped > box. There is no list price for Fedora. The rapid development pace we > expect for Fedora doesn't suit retail distribution ? it is a lot of work > to get a box product in and out of the channel, and retail isn't set up > to efficiently handle software that is updated as often as every six > months. Also, the creation of packaging and other materials that are > necessary for retail significantly slows down the time to market, which > means that users can't get the freshest bits when they are still truly > fresh. Further information on Red Hat's retail product line is available > at the Red Hat website." > > I still think it's a neat concept, however it may not fit Fedora all > that well. Potentially a "starter kit" would be something neat, with > manuals, general FAQs, and, of course, stickers ;) As the current FAQ maintainer and the one who added that particular answer to the FAQ, let me point out some details for additional context. --- When Red Hat decided to create the Red Hat Linux Project which later got renamed in Fedora Project, Red Hat published this particular answer as a result of it's experience (and dealing with loses in a retail product) while creating Red Hat Linux releases roughly twice a year and I copied it over from http://fedora.redhat.com pages when I created the FAQs since I knew that site was going away soon at that time. A lot of details have changed and Fedora Project of today is a different beast (or angel if you will). We could certainly reevaluate our considerations and IMO we should. Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 19:51:09 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > A lot of details have changed and Fedora Project of today is a different > beast (or angel if you will). We could certainly reevaluate our > considerations and IMO we should. Well said. +1 From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Mar 21 21:46:15 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:46:15 -0600 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E42CA7.4030103@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > As the current FAQ maintainer and the one who added that particular > answer to the FAQ, let me point out some details for additional context. > > --- > > When Red Hat decided to create the Red Hat Linux Project which later > got renamed in Fedora Project, Red Hat published this particular > answer as a result of it's experience (and dealing with loses in a > retail product) while creating Red Hat Linux releases roughly twice a > year and I copied it over from http://fedora.redhat.com pages when I > created the FAQs since I knew that site was going away soon at that time. > > A lot of details have changed and Fedora Project of today is a > different beast (or angel if you will). We could certainly reevaluate > our considerations and IMO we should. > > Rahul > This is very interesting indeed, and I was chatting about this very issue with a friend not so long ago. We both have been Red Hat users since a long time (me from RHL 5.0 and he from 6.0). While indeed a retail model wouldn't completely suit Fedora, especially when there is a Fedora release every 6 months, what we thought could be a possible solution was to retail Fedora every other release. Usually the Spring release is an odd number release (like forth coming 9), and Fall releases are even numbers (for instance, last November's Fedora 8), so why not focus either of these releases as the retail release? That would mean that a new retail version would be out every ~12 months instead of every 6 months, avoiding the management nightmare that a semestral release would be. From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 22:21:43 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E42CA7.4030103@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <47E42CA7.4030103@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > This is very interesting indeed, and I was chatting about this very > issue with a friend not so long ago. We both have been Red Hat users > since a long time (me from RHL 5.0 and he from 6.0). While indeed a > retail model wouldn't completely suit Fedora, especially when there is a > Fedora release every 6 months, what we thought could be a possible > solution was to retail Fedora every other release. Usually the Spring > release is an odd number release (like forth coming 9), and Fall > releases are even numbers (for instance, last November's Fedora 8), so > why not focus either of these releases as the retail release? That would > mean that a new retail version would be out every ~12 months instead of > every 6 months, avoiding the management nightmare that a semestral > release would be. I know a lot of people who only use even releases; I used to plan on that until I became a package maintainer. Doing only even releases makes sense, and you could then let people know how to use yum to update their release if they really wanted to [1]. The instructions on the website don't always work for everyone though -- I know it took me a few tries to get it right. SELinux gets in the way quite a bit too, and we'd probably have to really test it, especially with package names sometimes getting changed. In my experience, it usually crashed about midway through the actual installation, mostly due to what seemed like a lot of SELinux audit messages being printed to the console. Dependencies resolved just fine though. Of course, the yum upgrade process might just be an afterthought to all of this. I'd love to see Fedora packaged... maybe if we can get some more consensus on this we can see F10 be the first packaged version. -- ian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 01:19:24 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:19:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? Message-ID: Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials. The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions. The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian From stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com Sat Mar 22 01:58:19 2008 From: stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com (Stewart Campbell) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:58:19 +1000 Subject: New product utilising Fedora Message-ID: <47E467BB.8070208@nebtrex.com> To whom it may concern, Firstly, please accept my congratulations and thanks to the Fedora team and the Fedora community. My name is Stewart Campbell and I am the director of Nebtrex Distribution (a Brisbane based firm in Australia). My company switched to Fedora several years ago for our internal systems and servers, and it has provided us with an excellent platform. The purpose of this email is to inform the Fedora community (especially the marketing sectors) that we have just launched a new product in Australia running Fedora 8. This new desktop product comes pre-installed with Fedora 8 (also supplied on DVD). We have made many modifications to the image to provide, what we believe, is a easy to use platform for both business and home markets. I hope this information will be of some use to the Fedora marketing and also act as another example of what can be achieved with Fedora. If you would like more information regarding this product release, please do not hesitate to contact me directly. In addition, I would like to suggest the introduction of a Fedora site devoted to products utilising the OS. This would encourage promotion to new and existing Fedora users. As Fedora is used internationally, appropriate filtering would be useful. We look forward to the promising future Fedora is sure to embrace. Regards Stewart Campbell - stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com Nebtrex - www.nebtrex.com From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 03:20:41 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:50:41 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ian Weller wrote: | I really think this idea is neat, and is something missing from | Fedora... it's not absolutely necessary, per se, but many other | distributions have CDs you can buy that support the project. If i recall the "contribute to Fedora via monies by non RHT entities" bit was not possible for some reason (vague recollection being the hassles to make that happen far outweigh actual collections) - does that still hold ? - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5HsIXQZpNTcrCzMRArJ8AJ9hlKC+oo07XuQL0VlA62sL/9fFxwCgkFuH wJfNQpxUW7eTJnbhlzyEO3s= =sM3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 05:04:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:34:08 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Weller wrote: > > | I really think this idea is neat, and is something missing from > | Fedora... it's not absolutely necessary, per se, but many other > | distributions have CDs you can buy that support the project. > > If i recall the "contribute to Fedora via monies by non RHT entities" > bit was not possible for some reason (vague recollection being the > hassles to make that happen far outweigh actual collections) - does that > still hold ? To some extend but we have found creative ways around that. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contribute Rahul From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 05:16:41 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:46:41 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E49639.9070608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: | To some extend but we have found creative ways around that. Refer | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contribute But this still does not tell the potential individual contributor who can and wishes to only contribute money "And, yes, some resources are always appreciated. Software mirror sites are a good thing. You can get involved in the Sponsored media or Free Media program. Yes, yes, if you want to donate resources, there are always good ways. Way at the bottom of the page we've got a pretty good list. But first ..." Mirrors, Sponsored Media or Free Media require a bit more effort than just click Contribute To Fedora button and pay via Paypal or something similar - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5JY5XQZpNTcrCzMRAq8+AJ0alChQawPqmam5weQPEVQ/K7njKgCfYkCB uz5IyLcJVs+d3fcuRXzyC1I= =DbBs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 05:16:41 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:46:41 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E49639.9070608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: | To some extend but we have found creative ways around that. Refer | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contribute But this still does not tell the potential individual contributor who can and wishes to only contribute money "And, yes, some resources are always appreciated. Software mirror sites are a good thing. You can get involved in the Sponsored media or Free Media program. Yes, yes, if you want to donate resources, there are always good ways. Way at the bottom of the page we've got a pretty good list. But first ..." Mirrors, Sponsored Media or Free Media require a bit more effort than just click Contribute To Fedora button and pay via Paypal or something similar - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5JY5XQZpNTcrCzMRAq8+AJ0alChQawPqmam5weQPEVQ/K7njKgCfYkCB uz5IyLcJVs+d3fcuRXzyC1I= =DbBs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 05:15:51 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:45:51 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E49639.9070608@gmail.com> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E47B09.3060306@gmail.com> <47E49348.2000506@fedoraproject.org> <47E49639.9070608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E49607.2090001@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > | To some extend but we have found creative ways around that. Refer > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Contribute > > But this still does not tell the potential individual contributor who > can and wishes to only contribute money > > "And, yes, some resources are always appreciated. Software mirror sites > are a good thing. You can get involved in the Sponsored media or Free > Media program. Yes, yes, if you want to donate resources, there are > always good ways. Way at the bottom of the page we've got a pretty good > list. But first ..." > > Mirrors, Sponsored Media or Free Media require a bit more effort than > just click Contribute To Fedora button and pay via Paypal or something > similar You can donate to Free Media via paypal http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation Rahul From kn.naresh at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 07:46:37 2008 From: kn.naresh at gmail.com (Naresh KN) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:16:37 +0530 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d9e71570803220046l23887c1j4d1de4981a9c898@mail.gmail.com> Sounds great!!! I have introduced Fedora to several individuals and most of them revert back to me to give their praise for Fedora and the community. It would be great to display user's stories on fedoraproject.org which will definitely motivate new users to get heads-up with Fedora. Ambassadors/Contributors can post their testimonials as to how well Fedora was accepted by a new user. -Naresh On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by > people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why > they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories > could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after > review) as testimonials. > > The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) > the same questions. > > The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what > everyone else thought. -- ian > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 22 07:56:11 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:56:11 -0700 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 01:19 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > As the current FAQ maintainer and the one who added that particular > answer to the FAQ, let me point out some details for additional context. ... > When Red Hat decided to create the Red Hat Linux Project which later got > renamed in Fedora Project, Red Hat published this particular answer as a > result of it's experience (and dealing with loses in a retail product) > while creating Red Hat Linux releases roughly twice a year and I copied > it over from http://fedora.redhat.com pages when I created the FAQs > since I knew that site was going away soon at that time. > > A lot of details have changed and Fedora Project of today is a different > beast (or angel if you will). We could certainly reevaluate our > considerations and IMO we should. It is worth pointing out that you did not have experience from inside of a rapidly moving distribution trying also to be a retail boxed product, right? There were very good reasons that model was a PITA and it was dropped, reasons that haven't changed since then. - Karsten, glad not to be writing the slimmed down version of the Installation Guide to fit with the media pack in the retail box -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mr.gopal.das at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 13:50:16 2008 From: mr.gopal.das at gmail.com (gopal das) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:16 +0530 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ian, Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the word "Fedora" in this way. But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and experience user can submit their stories. Cheers Gopal Das On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by > people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why > they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories > could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after > review) as testimonials. > > The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) > the same questions. > > The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what > everyone else thought. -- ian > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 14:05:48 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:05:48 -0600 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:16 +0530, "gopal das" wrote: > Hi Ian, > Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora > among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the > word "Fedora" in this way. > But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and > experience user can submit their stories. +1 :) I think it's a superb idea, if you want to give some thought to how it might work in practice and run with it a bit, I'll be glad to give you all the support I can... Best wishes, Jon From danishka at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:09:23 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:39:23 +0530 Subject: Whats New in Fedora 8/9 Message-ID: Hi All, Is it possible to access above info with minimal amount of clicks? http://fedoraproject.org page giving a link but we need to go here and there. What do you think about a single click or a information ticker concept. Regards, -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondeau.matthieu.r at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:05:10 2008 From: rondeau.matthieu.r at gmail.com (Matthieu Rondeau) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:05:10 +0100 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206194710.2956.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 22 mars 2008 ? 08:05 -0600, Jonathan Roberts a ?crit : > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:16 +0530, "gopal das" > wrote: > > Hi Ian, > > Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora > > among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the > > word "Fedora" in this way. > > But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and > > experience user can submit their stories. > > +1 :) > > I think it's a superb idea, if you want to give some thought to how it > might work in practice and run with it a bit, I'll be glad to give you all > the support I can... > > Best wishes, > > Jon > Hi, I reckon this idea is great, it might help people who tend to think there are only problems on linux. Anyway, if you need any support, just name it, I'd be glad to help too. Matt From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:53:44 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:53:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Whats New in Fedora 8/9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Danishka Navin wrote: > Hi All, > > Is it possible to access above info with minimal amount of clicks? > http://fedoraproject.org page giving > a link but we need to go here and there. > What do you think about a single click or a information ticker concept. +1, maybe replacing the Fedora 8 banner with something else that would point to it would be good. Might get in touch with the websites team. -- ian From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:14:44 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:14:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, gopal das wrote: > Hi Ian, > Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora > among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the > word "Fedora" in this way. > But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and > experience user can submit their stories. > Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna get it out more... I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. Let me know what you guys think. - Fedora Stories of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some - Fedora showAndTell! or any other crazy capitalization/punctuation marks. SHOWandTELL?! ;) - Your Fedora and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, showandtell.fedoraproject.org... Unless we don't need that. It might be possible just to live with a wiki page with instructions on submitting your story, and maybe a web form with licensing instructions. Messages could be approved by a team of people every now and then, and some good quotes put in a queue for the front page. To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a certain way for us to be able to use them. Anywho, still baking this idea, and I'd love your input. I'm going to talk with Infrastructure to see if they're willing to make a subdomain. Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 17:07:57 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:07:57 -0600 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> <6f631c430803220650v22d7dde2k6af1eebd3038d8a8 at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7adfc57815a4a3122fb76cb8c5352f85 at www.questionsplease.org> X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org Received: from 212-139-113-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [212.139.113.165] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:07:57 -0600 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, > Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead > with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna > get it out more... > Great :) > I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. > Let me know what you guys think. > > - Fedora Stories > of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some This sounds good to me... > and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off > fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, > showandtell.fedoraproject.org... I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews. The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got experience with it and an existing audience. > To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a > web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be > better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a > certain way for us to be able to use them. To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to think about these things: * How are you going to find people who have a story to tell? * How are they going to submit the story? * What format will they be presented in? * How will you let people know they exist? Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :) Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 18:13:46 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to > think about these things: > > * How are you going to find people who have a story to tell? This is one that I'm wondering about. All I can think of is maybe a link on the home page, a link in the topic of #fedora, and a link from the main page on the wiki... > * How are they going to submit the story? Through a web form would probably be smartest, but they could probably also submit it through email. > * What format will they be presented in? I'm thinking the most interesting ones could have quotes pulled from them and rotated on the home page, linking to the full story. An "all stories" link would also be necessary. > * How will you let people know they exist? Having quotes pulled to the home page (fedoraproject.org home page) would make them prominent enough. -- ian From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 21:09:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:39:36 +0530 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 01:19 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> As the current FAQ maintainer and the one who added that particular >> answer to the FAQ, let me point out some details for additional context. > > ... > >> When Red Hat decided to create the Red Hat Linux Project which later got >> renamed in Fedora Project, Red Hat published this particular answer as a >> result of it's experience (and dealing with loses in a retail product) >> while creating Red Hat Linux releases roughly twice a year and I copied >> it over from http://fedora.redhat.com pages when I created the FAQs >> since I knew that site was going away soon at that time. >> >> A lot of details have changed and Fedora Project of today is a different >> beast (or angel if you will). We could certainly reevaluate our >> considerations and IMO we should. > > It is worth pointing out that you did not have experience from inside of > a rapidly moving distribution trying also to be a retail boxed product, > right? There were very good reasons that model was a PITA and it was > dropped, reasons that haven't changed since then. Depends on the reasons. Some of them like the pain of commercially supporting a retailed box product that gets released frequently does not apply to Fedora. If you have a Fedora store, selling a box as one of several items available seems very logical and what users would expect. Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 21:11:13 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If you have a Fedora store, selling a box as one of > several items available seems very logical and what users would expect. +1. Also, it's not like the user is necessarily going to update to each version, and they're not necessarily gonna buy it each time. From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 21:20:47 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:20:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Store SIG Update - 2008-03-19 In-Reply-To: References: <10e0a9b00803191937rc0113a1yc9c5c2eb7254c6cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: >> We do have one other major open action item open at this point and >> that is a mockup of what store.fedoraproject.org might look like. We >> still need someone to help us out with a mockup of this page. We have >> listed some general requirements [2] of the page in the wiki and I am >> happy to answer any questions regarding that page. I see we have a >> few art team members on the participants list for the Store SIG - any >> volunteers? > I can put something together, hopefully during this week or next. Turns out the time I thought I had I don't have, so I don't think I'll be able to come up with a mockup of the page. I presume it would look mostly like the fedoraproject.org page... same template... -- ian From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 21:25:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:55:59 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E57967.706@fedoraproject.org> Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > Hi, > > We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista > Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about > Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for > those who speak Portuguese. > > Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover > story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about > system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > Official release announce: > > * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 > > Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): > > * http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > published. > > Any feedback will be very welcome. I would recommend you use the creative commons attribute share alike license instead of the non-commercial license since what is considered commercial activity is not a very well defined boundary. Do you the "source" files for the PDF files you have published? Rahul From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Mar 22 21:30:02 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:30:02 -0400 Subject: Store SIG Update - 2008-03-19 In-Reply-To: References: <10e0a9b00803191937rc0113a1yc9c5c2eb7254c6cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803221430l285607bbgf5284a8a5a65ae57@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > Turns out the time I thought I had I don't have, so I don't think I'll > be able to come up with a mockup of the page. No worries. Thanks for letting us know. > I presume it would look mostly like the fedoraproject.org page... same > template... Yes, I would expect the look and feel to pretty much "plug-in" to the existing look and feel. The initial store is relatively simple to start with - more of a global landing page that directs people to the appropriate place. I expect if the initial launch of the store is successful over time then the complexity might increase - but in its first iteration we are striving for simple. Thanks! Jeffrey From stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com Sat Mar 22 22:48:00 2008 From: stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com (Stewart Campbell) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:00 +1000 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> > Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead > with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna > get it out more... > > I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. > Let me know what you guys think. > > - Fedora Stories > of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some > - Fedora showAndTell! > or any other crazy capitalization/punctuation marks. SHOWandTELL?! ;) > - Your Fedora > > and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off > fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, > showandtell.fedoraproject.org... > > Unless we don't need that. It might be possible just to live with a > wiki page with instructions on submitting your story, and maybe a web > form with licensing instructions. Messages Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead > with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna > get it out more... > > I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. > Let me know what you guys think. > > - Fedora Stories > of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some > - Fedora showAndTell! > or any other crazy capitalization/punctuation marks. SHOWandTELL?! ;) > - Your Fedora > > and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off > fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, > showandtell.fedoraproject.org... > > Unless we don't need that. It might be possible just to live with a > wiki page with instructions on submitting your story, and maybe a web > form with licensing instructions. Messages could be approved by a team > of people every now and then, and some good quotes put in a queue for > the front page. > > To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a > web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be > better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a > certain way for us to be able to use them. > > Anywho, still baking this idea, and I'd love your input. I'm going to > talk with Infrastructure to see if they're willing to make a subdomain. > > Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian > > could be approved by a team > of people every now and then, and some good quotes put in a queue for > the front page. > > To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a > web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be > better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a > certain way for us to be able to use them. > > Anywho, still baking this idea, and I'd love your input. I'm going to > talk with Infrastructure to see if they're willing to make a subdomain. > > Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian How about: - My Fedora - My Fedora Experience - Fedora in the real world - Fedora Experience - Fedora - Just Is Regards Stewart Campbell - stewart.campbell at nebtrex.com Nebtrex - www.nebtrex.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 22 23:09:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:39:29 +0530 Subject: New product utilising Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E467BB.8070208@nebtrex.com> References: <47E467BB.8070208@nebtrex.com> Message-ID: <47E591A9.4040409@fedoraproject.org> Stewart Campbell wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > Firstly, please accept my congratulations and thanks to the Fedora team > and the Fedora community. My name is Stewart Campbell and I am the > director of Nebtrex Distribution (a Brisbane based firm in Australia). > My company switched to Fedora several years ago for our internal systems > and servers, and it has provided us with an excellent platform. Good to know. Congrats on your product release. > The purpose of this email is to inform the Fedora community (especially > the marketing sectors) that we have just launched a new product in > Australia running Fedora 8. This new desktop product comes > pre-installed with Fedora 8 (also supplied on DVD). We have made many > modifications to the image to provide, what we believe, is a easy to use > platform for both business and home markets. > > I hope this information will be of some use to the Fedora marketing and > also act as another example of what can be achieved with Fedora. If you > would like more information regarding this product release, please do > not hesitate to contact me directly. There are some obvious questions from the Fedora perspective: Tell us about yourself Can you give us more details about your product? Why Fedora? When did you get started? What kind of changes have you made? How did you make them? (Did you use tools like livecd-creator or pungi?) Have you contributed any of these changes back to Fedora? What is the future roadmap? What can we do to make Fedora a better base for your product? > In addition, I would like to suggest the introduction of a Fedora site > devoted to products utilising the OS. This would encourage promotion to > new and existing Fedora users. As Fedora is used internationally, > appropriate filtering would be useful. We are close to launching a news site. We could probably have a section there. I am not sure a separate site is useful unless we have a number of other prominent projects/products based on Fedora to promote. Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Mar 22 23:11:05 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Whats New in Fedora 8/9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Danishka Navin wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Is it possible to access above info with minimal amount of clicks? > > http://fedoraproject.org page giving > > a link but we need to go here and there. > > What do you think about a single click or a information ticker concept. > +1, maybe replacing the Fedora 8 banner with something else that would point > to it would be good. Might get in touch with the websites team. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs -Mike From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Mar 23 01:27:50 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:27:50 -0600 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> Ian Weller escribi?: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> If you have a Fedora store, selling a box as one of several items >> available seems very logical and what users would expect. > > +1. Also, it's not like the user is necessarily going to update to each > version, and they're not necessarily gonna buy it each time. > For this approach it would be *very* convenient to have a clean upgrade path from release to release through yum, or other program that uses yum as its backend to ensure stuff like user settings are migrated to the new version as painlessly as possible. System settings are harder to deal with, but at least user data should be "simple" enough for an automated process. The hardest part is without a doubt the partitionning of the disk space, especially since Fedora uses LVM as default. However this can be circumvented by creating two volumes and assigning at least a minimum % of disk space to be set as /home, so user data can be migrated from release to release. The "system" part of this migration would involve four files: passwd, group, gshadow and shadow, however, since in Fedora default user profiles use uid and gid numbers of 500 on ward, isolating these instances with association to directories found under /home, would be relatively easy to perform from within Anaconda, and for user-created groups, this could also be possible by checking user members of these groups and their associated /home directory to be migrated. However this work, as fas as I know, has not been done to Anaconda (I should really start learning Python!), though it could be relatively easy to do through use of shell scripts. The partition template is what I wouldn't know how to do. Still if a user has an older layout, how to migrate the user data? This poses a big problem, as the disk partitionning and formatting will erase all contents of the disk, so this could only be done by having a minimum version of Fedora which can be upgraded (for example, upgrade support only available from F10 onward, which upgrade is possible from F10 to F11, but not from F9 to F10). I know these ideas would have to be discussed in the -devel mailing list or IRC channel, but this underlying infrastructure would certainly make more feasible a retail model of having only odd or even release numbers available through retail. I know there is much more involved in system upgrade than user data and application and system configuration data, and that usually upgraded systems feel less responsive than installed-from-scratch systems, but it could be a start. From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 04:48:10 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Ian Weller escribi?: >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> If you have a Fedora store, selling a box as one of several items >>> available seems very logical and what users would expect. >> >> +1. Also, it's not like the user is necessarily going to update to each >> version, and they're not necessarily gonna buy it each time. >> > > For this approach it would be *very* convenient to have a clean upgrade > path from release to release through yum, or other program that uses yum > as its backend to ensure stuff like user settings are migrated to the > new version as painlessly as possible. System settings are harder to > deal with, but at least user data should be "simple" enough for an > automated process. The hardest part is without a doubt the partitionning > of the disk space, especially since Fedora uses LVM as default. However > this can be circumvented by creating two volumes and assigning at least > a minimum % of disk space to be set as /home, so user data can be > migrated from release to release. The "system" part of this migration > would involve four files: passwd, group, gshadow and shadow, however, > since in Fedora default user profiles use uid and gid numbers of 500 on > ward, isolating these instances with association to directories found > under /home, would be relatively easy to perform from within Anaconda, > and for user-created groups, this could also be possible by checking > user members of these groups and their associated /home directory to be > migrated. However this work, as fas as I know, has not been done to > Anaconda (I should really start learning Python!), though it could be > relatively easy to do through use of shell scripts. The partition > template is what I wouldn't know how to do. Still if a user has an older > layout, how to migrate the user data? This poses a big problem, as the > disk partitionning and formatting will erase all contents of the disk, > so this could only be done by having a minimum version of Fedora which > can be upgraded (for example, upgrade support only available from F10 > onward, which upgrade is possible from F10 to F11, but not from F9 to > F10). I know these ideas would have to be discussed in the -devel > mailing list or IRC channel, but this underlying infrastructure would > certainly make more feasible a retail model of having only odd or even > release numbers available through retail. I know there is much more > involved in system upgrade than user data and application and system > configuration data, and that usually upgraded systems feel less > responsive than installed-from-scratch systems, but it could be a start. How does Ubuntu do it? I remember upgrading my sister's computer with one click, and it appeared to work perfectly -- until she decided to unplug the computer during the upgrade. >.< I have no clue what the end result would've been, but it was probably the best upgrade interface ever. From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sun Mar 23 06:03:40 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:03:40 -0600 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <47E5F2BC.6070409@prodigy.net.mx> Ian Weller escribi?: > How does Ubuntu do it? I remember upgrading my sister's computer with > one click, and it appeared to work perfectly -- until she decided to > unplug the computer during the upgrade. >.< I have no clue what the end > result would've been, but it was probably the best upgrade interface > ever. I'm not sure how does Ubuntu do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find out by dissecting it and going through the sources. At any rate it has been brought up before and the general consensus is that upgraded systems do suffer performance degradation in one way or another, mainly due to settings sticking from previous versions and the like. Still there should be a way to upgrade without suffering that performance hit, sadly I couldn't say how to do it. Every time it is mentioned, though, is disregarded; or at least, that's what it looks like. From eugeneteo at kernel.sg Sun Mar 23 07:46:39 2008 From: eugeneteo at kernel.sg (Eugene Teo) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:46:39 +0800 Subject: Need to do something about Freemedia India. In-Reply-To: <6f631c430803200002hbecf5dbtd11588f1832533f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f631c430803200002hbecf5dbtd11588f1832533f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080323074639.GA3903@kernel.sg> > Thank you Susmith, thank you Siddharth. "Blank media and return envelop" > idea is good. We can make a decision if we make us available for a meeting > in near future at fedora-india irc. A long gap when we do not arrange a > meeting. And I also have some topic to discuss regarding some fedora > training program at schools. I have already started some initiative > regarding this but I like to discuss the matter with other Indian > ambassadors. So please fix up a date for a meeting so that we can made it > more prominent. Is it possible to work with the local Linux magazine publishers like LinuxForU to see if they can bundle the Fedora DVD with their magazine? I believe the magazine is affordable to most, and this can help lighten the media request load. Eugene > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Siddharth Upmanyu > wrote: > > > On 3/16/08, subhodip biswas wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, susmit shannigrahi > > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > This is about current condition of Freemedia _India_. > > > > Saying in a line... It is badly messed up. > > > > > > > > Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request > > > > and ~380 pending requests. > > > > That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near > > future. > > > > > > > > So lets do something about it. > > > > > > > > My suggestions are > > > > > > > > 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for > > the > > > > month and accept that many requests only. > > > > > > > > > +1 for that . Loads of pending request discourage users > > > > > > > > > > For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then > > > > open the request form. > > > > For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. > > > > However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. > > > > But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. > > > > > > > > 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting > > Freemedia. > > > > Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. > > > > Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the > > current > > > > situation is not bright either. > > > > > > > > > A suggestion may be is to have regional requests as as to break up > > > requests into modules .this actually lowers the load on free media > > > team . > > > Existing fedora ambassadors may help in this . > > > > > > > > > > For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much > > > > bandwidth, it may be helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Susmit. > > > > > > > > ============================================= > > > > ssh > > > > 0x86DD170A > > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > > > ============================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards > > > Subhodip Biswas > > > > > > GPG key : FAEA34AB > > > Server : pgp.mit.edu > > > http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com > > > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > The Most obvious problem is contribution... we have very less active > > India Ambassadors and there appears no real solution in near future... > > as it is initiated.. to send a blank media .. should be an option not > > a requirement (my view) .. > > > > as i see it we first need a saparate freemedia request form where we > > can put proper information and restrictions.. i can work like this : > > 1. in the last week of every month we (India Ambassadors) decide on > > freemedia capacity > > 2. when the form open the decided number of requests are allowed . > > 3. when the limit is reached .. the users are given option to send a > > blank media with return envelop to get the Fedora Media > > > > Regards > > Siddharth > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From ben.lewis at benl.co.uk Sat Mar 22 22:00:36 2008 From: ben.lewis at benl.co.uk (Benjamin Lewis) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:00:36 +0000 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: <47E57967.706@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E57967.706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803222200.40420.ben.lewis@benl.co.uk> On Saturday 22 March 2008 09:25:59 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista > > Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about > > Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for > > those who speak Portuguese. > > > > Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover > > story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about > > system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with > > FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora > > news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. > > > > Official release announce: > > > > * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 > > > > Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): > > > > * > > http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf > > > > We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even > > better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our > > readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be > > published. > > > > Any feedback will be very welcome. > > I would recommend you use the creative commons attribute share alike > license instead of the non-commercial license since what is considered > commercial activity is not a very well defined boundary. Can I also point you in the direction of this essay [1], which very succinctly explains the reasons why "non-commercial" license are bad for freedom. > > Do you the "source" files for the PDF files you have published? > > Rahul [1] http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC -- Benjamin Lewis Fedora Ambassador ben.lewis at benl.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://benl.co.uk./ PGP Key: 0x647E480C "In cases of major discrepancy, it is always reality that got it wrong" -- RFC 1118 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 23 09:21:11 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:21:11 -0600 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E5F2BC.6070409@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803231021.m2NALElE003195@mx3.redhat.com> <47E41158.8010502 at fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel at calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501 at fedoraproject.org> <47E5B216.7040407 at prodigy.net.mx> <47E5F2BC.6070409 at prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: X-Sender: jonrob at fedoraproject.org Received: from 88-111-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.111.163.61] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:21:11 -0600 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:03:40 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Ian Weller escribi??: >> How does Ubuntu do it? I remember upgrading my sister's computer with >> one click, and it appeared to work perfectly -- until she decided to >> unplug the computer during the upgrade. >.< I have no clue what the end >> result would've been, but it was probably the best upgrade interface >> ever. > > > I'm not sure how does Ubuntu do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find > out by dissecting it and going through the sources. At any rate it has > been brought up before and the general consensus is that upgraded > systems do suffer performance degradation in one way or another, mainly > due to settings sticking from previous versions and the like. Still > there should be a way to upgrade without suffering that performance hit, > sadly I couldn't say how to do it. Every time it is mentioned, though, > is disregarded; or at least, that's what it looks like. Yum upgrades already work in Fedora. It's not officially supported, and problems occur more often when 3rd party repositories are in use (though maybe less for Livna as they have an active development repository). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq I did a yum upgrade from a clean F8 to Rawhide yesterday, and it worked perfectly. Still though, this particular discussion is a little off-topic? Maybe this discussion should be on f-devel-list instead? Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 23 13:15:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:45:22 +0530 Subject: Need to do something about Freemedia India. In-Reply-To: <20080323074639.GA3903@kernel.sg> References: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f631c430803200002hbecf5dbtd11588f1832533f2@mail.gmail.com> <20080323074639.GA3903@kernel.sg> Message-ID: <47E657EA.5080902@fedoraproject.org> Eugene Teo wrote: > >> Thank you Susmith, thank you Siddharth. "Blank media and return envelop" >> idea is good. We can make a decision if we make us available for a meeting >> in near future at fedora-india irc. A long gap when we do not arrange a >> meeting. And I also have some topic to discuss regarding some fedora >> training program at schools. I have already started some initiative >> regarding this but I like to discuss the matter with other Indian >> ambassadors. So please fix up a date for a meeting so that we can made it >> more prominent. > > Is it possible to work with the local Linux magazine publishers like > LinuxForU to see if they can bundle the Fedora DVD with their magazine? > I believe the magazine is affordable to most, and this can help lighten > the media request load. Linux For You already includes every release of Fedora the month after it has been released IIRC. Fedora is pretty popular in India but LFY doesn't reach everywhere and people are not aware of the magazine of that it includes Fedora for that particular month. Pointing more people to magazines like this is a pretty good idea and one I have done so personally on a few occasions. Rahul From inode0 at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 15:04:23 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:04:23 -0500 Subject: Informal/Irregular Fedora Podcasting Message-ID: I've seen from time to time requests for Fedora related podcasts. As a regular listener of various tech related podcasts I'd love to subscribe to a podcast on Fedora too. We all understand the various difficulties in managing and delivering a regularly scheduled podcast. For those interested in promoting Fedora through podcasts I'd like to make sure people are aware of a podcast that began maybe a couple of months ago, Hacker Public Radio (http://hackerpublicradio.org/). Episodes are generally daily however contributions can and are made by a lot of people. So there aren't fixed hosts and such. One nice idea is to thread the podcasts on HPR so if there were a Fedora thread (In-Depth Series) a listener can pinpoint the Fedora related episodes. So if any capable Fedora supporter would like to interview someone about new features coming in Sulfur and release an episode that would be possible. If the SA or EMEA groups would like to do a podcast on some Fedora issue of particular interest to them they could and all the contributed Fedora content could be tied together. There is a lot of flexibility offered by HPR. Might be something to consider for folks who could contribute a podcast on an irregular basis to help promote Fedora. John From kwade at redhat.com Sun Mar 23 16:04:36 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:04:36 -0700 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206288276.29963.113.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 11:07 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > > Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead > > with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna > > get it out more... > > > > Great :) +1 to this idea overall. For practical purposes, I work in Red Hat on a marketing team (brand, communications, design), who have a similar mission to tell the Fedora story. I'll make sure to have time in my schedule to help this start and grow. > > I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. > > Let me know what you guys think. > > > > - Fedora Stories > > of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some > > This sounds good to me... Straightforward is great, especially for this case. If the fiction sounds wrong, we could play off the old serial magazines of the 1950s: "Fedora True Stories." Designers -- salivating yet? > > and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off > > fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, > > showandtell.fedoraproject.org... > > I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come > under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or > we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews. > > The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got > experience with it and an existing audience. +1 To take this further, I'm going to dangerously delve into process and technical solutions with a little workflow, to explain why I think using news.fp.org is a good idea. 1. Web form takes in stories; +1 to this as a way to get the individual contribution (story) under a CLA and appropriate license. Conceivably, we could ask people to choose from amongst several license choices. 2. The 'story editorial board' receives the results of this web form and decides which stories to tell. Presuming the original license allows derivative works, we can edit for clarity, word smith, etc. Another option is to have an iterative round with the original author to get all changes approved. In all this, try not to erase the individual style/voice.[1] 3. We publish stories directly to news.fp.o via the blog mechanism. Why is a blog engine our best tool? This is aside from Jon's notes that using existing story channels gives us instant audience. a. Instant RSS feed with categories b. Simple publishing - team-viewable drafting, on screen review, fast updates, works well for a small editorial/writing team c. News outlets traditionally tell human interest stories, so this easily fits under the FWN banner d. News == truth, making it unnecessary to label our stories as non-fiction e. Linking across to other blogs is easy with tracebacks f. Gives another reason to visit news.fp.o other than once-a-week 4. If we have a special location on e.g. fedoraproject.org to highlight a story, we do it as an RSS feed of a specific category we use in the blog engine. Then an editor only has to tag a story with this category, and it automatically appears in the queue. That queue can rotate serially, or rotate the latest five choices, or so forth. AIUI, the RSS feed code is ready, we might need to do some small tweaks for this use. 5. Red Hat Magazine will surely want to pick up some of these stories. The blog engine helps this. Especially having the CLA and ability to republish from an original license. There might be another rewrite or reformatting at that time, because a different group of editors are involved. Once this relationship is started, we'll all find this very beneficial. > > To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a > > web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be > > better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a > > certain way for us to be able to use them. > > To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to > think about these things: > > * How are you going to find people who have a story to tell? > * How are they going to submit the story? > * What format will they be presented in? > * How will you let people know they exist? > > Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with > me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :) Jon, you have hit upon the most important part of this. We can have the technical materials up in a few days, with all the process we need empowering a team (three, four of us already.) But from there, we need other word-spreaders. We need to get people to submit stories to us they have read from other places; we may need to do some posts as a rewrite of the story around another post that we link to v. publishing it as fresh. If we're motivated, some folks could crawl e.g. fedoraforum.org and look for what might be an interesting story, then post the URL to tell the story. Hopefully we'll get an army of people passing the URL to the web form. :) Think of how it will be once we get the flow working: As seen on #fedora from quaid's Crystal Ball o' De Futah: someKid [foo] has joined #fedora < EvilBob> Hey, someKid, how did that university computer lab install go? < someKid> EvilBob: Man, it was wicked easy. It took me an hour to write up the three .ks files and other parts Cobbler needed, mounted an Everything install image on my install server, and now we are re-installing three times daily for each different class's needs. < EvilBob> someKid: That's a great story. Maybe you want to tell others about it? http://fedoraproject.org/tell-my-story someKid goes to look < someKid>: Cool, that was quick. I'd love everyone to hear how easy it is to run Fedora for programming classes ... (Thanks to Bob Jensen for unwittingly starring in this fictional IRC chat.) - Karsten [1] There is a series of adverts running in the States for an insurance company, where they get a real person to tell a real story. To support that person in their story telling, a famous person is along to help interpret. For example, in one the woman is telling about how easy it was to get an insurance payment after her cars were wrecked in a storm; the celebrity with her was the person who does a huge % of the movie adverts voiceovers, and his voiceover for her went like, "Payback - this time, it's for real." http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMGS7l0wT8 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Cc'ed Wade Mealing, one of our former podcasters. Thanks, Eugene From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:16:18 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:16:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <1206288276.29963.113.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> <1206288276.29963.113.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: And now to make this email even longer. ;) On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 11:07 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Ian Weller wrote: >>> Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead >>> with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna >>> get it out more... >>> >> >> Great :) > > +1 to this idea overall. For practical purposes, I work in Red Hat on a > marketing team (brand, communications, design), who have a similar > mission to tell the Fedora story. I'll make sure to have time in my > schedule to help this start and grow. Cool! > >>> and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off >>> fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, >>> showandtell.fedoraproject.org... >> >> I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come >> under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or >> we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews. >> >> The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got >> experience with it and an existing audience. > > +1 > > To take this further, I'm going to dangerously delve into process and > technical solutions with a little workflow, to explain why I think using > news.fp.org is a good idea. > > 1. Web form takes in stories; +1 to this as a way to get the individual > contribution (story) under a CLA and appropriate license. Conceivably, > we could ask people to choose from amongst several license choices. I was just thinking one license to keep it simple and not scare people away. I've seen where license picking, if *necessary*, has sorta confused people. CC-BY-SA should work just fine IMHO, or Legal could pick a license. > > 2. The 'story editorial board' receives the results of this web form and > decides which stories to tell. Presuming the original license allows > derivative works, we can edit for clarity, word smith, etc. Another > option is to have an iterative round with the original author to get all > changes approved. In all this, try not to erase the individual > style/voice.[1] Once again on the pull quote thing... I think it's really important we pull the strongest quote from each story and put it in a rotator on the fp.o front page. > > 3. We publish stories directly to news.fp.o via the blog mechanism. Why > is a blog engine our best tool? This is aside from Jon's notes that > using existing story channels gives us instant audience. > a. Instant RSS feed with categories > b. Simple publishing - team-viewable drafting, on screen review, fast > updates, works well for a small editorial/writing team > c. News outlets traditionally tell human interest stories, so this > easily fits under the FWN banner > d. News == truth, making it unnecessary to label our stories as > non-fiction > e. Linking across to other blogs is easy with tracebacks > f. Gives another reason to visit news.fp.o other than once-a-week +1 > > 4. If we have a special location on e.g. fedoraproject.org to highlight > a story, we do it as an RSS feed of a specific category we use in the > blog engine. Then an editor only has to tag a story with this category, > and it automatically appears in the queue. That queue can rotate > serially, or rotate the latest five choices, or so forth. AIUI, the RSS > feed code is ready, we might need to do some small tweaks for this use. +1 > > 5. Red Hat Magazine will surely want to pick up some of these stories. > The blog engine helps this. Especially having the CLA and ability to > republish from an original license. There might be another rewrite or > reformatting at that time, because a different group of editors are > involved. Once this relationship is started, we'll all find this very > beneficial. > >>> To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a >>> web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be >>> better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a >>> certain way for us to be able to use them. >> >> To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to >> think about these things: >> >> * How are you going to find people who have a story to tell? >> * How are they going to submit the story? >> * What format will they be presented in? >> * How will you let people know they exist? >> >> Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with >> me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :) > > Jon, you have hit upon the most important part of this. We can have the > technical materials up in a few days, with all the process we need > empowering a team (three, four of us already.) But from there, we need > other word-spreaders. We need to get people to submit stories to us > they have read from other places; we may need to do some posts as a > rewrite of the story around another post that we link to v. publishing > it as fresh. If we're motivated, some folks could crawl e.g. > fedoraforum.org and look for what might be an interesting story, then > post the URL to tell the story. Hopefully we'll get an army of people > passing the URL to the web form. :) If we could get whoever runs fedoraforum.org to put a link in their header, that would be neat. > > Think of how it will be once we get the flow working: > > As seen on #fedora from quaid's Crystal Ball o' De Futah: > > someKid [foo] has joined #fedora > < EvilBob> Hey, someKid, how did that university computer lab > install go? > < someKid> EvilBob: Man, it was wicked easy. It took me an > hour to write up the three .ks files and other parts Cobbler > needed, mounted an Everything install image on my install > server, and now we are re-installing three times daily for each > different class's needs. > < EvilBob> someKid: That's a great story. Maybe you want to > tell others about it? http://fedoraproject.org/tell-my-story > someKid goes to look > < someKid>: Cool, that was quick. I'd love everyone to hear how > easy it is to run Fedora for programming classes ... > > (Thanks to Bob Jensen for unwittingly starring in this fictional IRC > chat.) +1 ;) > > - Karsten > > [1] There is a series of adverts running in the States for an insurance > company, where they get a real person to tell a real story. To support > that person in their story telling, a famous person is along to help > interpret. For example, in one the woman is telling about how easy it > was to get an insurance payment after her cars were wrecked in a storm; > the celebrity with her was the person who does a huge % of the movie > adverts voiceovers, and his voiceover for her went like, "Payback - this > time, it's for real." > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMGS7l0wT8 Ha, I love these.... good example. From eugeneteo at kernel.sg Sun Mar 23 16:25:11 2008 From: eugeneteo at kernel.sg (Eugene Teo) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:25:11 +0800 Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E5F2BC.6070409@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> <47E5F2BC.6070409@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20080323162511.GC8351@kernel.sg> > Ian Weller escribi?: >> How does Ubuntu do it? I remember upgrading my sister's computer with >> one click, and it appeared to work perfectly -- until she decided to >> unplug the computer during the upgrade. >.< I have no clue what the end >> result would've been, but it was probably the best upgrade interface >> ever. > > I'm not sure how does Ubuntu do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find > out by dissecting it and going through the sources. At any rate it has been > brought up before and the general consensus is that upgraded systems do > suffer performance degradation in one way or another, mainly due to > settings sticking from previous versions and the like. Still there should > be a way to upgrade without suffering that performance hit, sadly I > couldn't say how to do it. Every time it is mentioned, though, is > disregarded; or at least, that's what it looks like. An alternative is to have a second root. User can install the newer version of Fedora onto the second root. If anything goes wrong during or after the installation, he can deactivate second root, and reactivate the last known working root. I believe OpenSolaris has something similar. Thanks, Eugene From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 20:18:56 2008 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:56 -0300 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine In-Reply-To: <47E57967.706@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E57967.706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/3/22, Rahul Sundaram : > I would recommend you use the creative commons attribute share alike > license instead of the non-commercial license since what is considered > commercial activity is not a very well defined boundary. This makes sense. Our team are going to discuss this issue. Thanks for the suggestion. > Do you the "source" files for the PDF files you have published? Ouch! Not yet. We forget! :-( But we will publish the source file as soon as possible. Thanks again. :-) -- Davidson Paulo Linux System Administrator LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 Revista Fedora Brasil, Editor-In-Chief Fedora Project, Ambassador http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 22:08:59 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:08:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Boxed version of Fedora In-Reply-To: <20080323162511.GC8351@kernel.sg> References: <47E3F396.8010608@fedoraproject.org> <47E41158.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1206172571.29963.70.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47E57590.5050501@fedoraproject.org> <47E5B216.7040407@prodigy.net.mx> <47E5F2BC.6070409@prodigy.net.mx> <20080323162511.GC8351@kernel.sg> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Eugene Teo wrote: > >> Ian Weller escribi?: >>> How does Ubuntu do it? I remember upgrading my sister's computer with >>> one click, and it appeared to work perfectly -- until she decided to >>> unplug the computer during the upgrade. >.< I have no clue what the end >>> result would've been, but it was probably the best upgrade interface >>> ever. >> >> I'm not sure how does Ubuntu do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find >> out by dissecting it and going through the sources. At any rate it has been >> brought up before and the general consensus is that upgraded systems do >> suffer performance degradation in one way or another, mainly due to >> settings sticking from previous versions and the like. Still there should >> be a way to upgrade without suffering that performance hit, sadly I >> couldn't say how to do it. Every time it is mentioned, though, is >> disregarded; or at least, that's what it looks like. A fallback system would be nice, but it needs to be an option, because not everyone has enough hard drive space. From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 24 04:15:05 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:15:05 -0700 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: <200803221808.m2MI809w005246@mx3.redhat.com> <1206288276.29963.113.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206332105.29963.145.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 11:16 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > Once again on the pull quote thing... I think it's really important we > pull the strongest quote from each story and put it in a rotator on the > fp.o front page. I missed this in the thread, that's an elegant idea. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From scott at tekkie.org Mon Mar 24 23:16:08 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:46:08 -0230 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> I think MyExperience would suffice. fedoraproject.org will probably be somewhere in the URL anyway. Scott Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 08:48 +1000, Stewart Campbell wrote: > >>> Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian >>> >> How about: >> - My Fedora >> - My Fedora Experience >> > > These clash a little with the existing "MyFedora" idea, so let's avoid > them for now. However, there's always the chance later of attaching > your own true stories to your personal MyFedora page... > > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 00:27:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:27:34 -0400 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by > people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on > how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) > stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of > course, after review) as testimonials. > > The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably > ambassadors) the same questions. > > The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see > what everyone else thought. -- ian I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :) ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 00:30:35 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:30:35 -0400 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> Message-ID: <47E847AB.1080806@fedoraproject.org> Scott Thistle wrote: > I think MyExperience would suffice. fedoraproject.org will probably be > somewhere in the URL anyway. > > Scott > > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 08:48 +1000, Stewart Campbell wrote: >> >>>> Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian >>>> >>> How about: >>> - My Fedora >>> - My Fedora Experience The old Fedora t-shirts used to say "I Am Fedora" i think... how about "I Am" or something like that? i-am.fedoraproject.org ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 01:56:14 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:56:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by >> people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on >> how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) >> stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of >> course, after review) as testimonials. >> >> The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably >> ambassadors) the same questions. >> >> The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see >> what everyone else thought. -- ian > > I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for > photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It > will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see > a website with smiling people right? :) +1 -- ian From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 01:57:27 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:57:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47E847AB.1080806@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> <47E847AB.1080806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Scott Thistle wrote: >> I think MyExperience would suffice. fedoraproject.org will probably be >> somewhere in the URL anyway. >> >> Scott >> >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 08:48 +1000, Stewart Campbell wrote: >>> >>>>> Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian >>>>> >>>> How about: >>>> - My Fedora >>>> - My Fedora Experience > > The old Fedora t-shirts used to say "I Am Fedora" i think... how about > "I Am" or something like that? > > i-am.fedoraproject.org Elsewhere in this thread we decided to do it under FWN, I think. However this is not a bad idea in case that doesn't work out. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:27:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:27:36 -0400 Subject: F9 Beta blog for press.redhat.com? In-Reply-To: <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> References: <47D7D7D7.2020302@redhat.com> <200803172110.m2HLAYRu014199@mx3.redhat.com> <47E01BB0.8080002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206412056.10863.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Kerri -- I thought I had sent this out but see that during one of my Evolution crashes, the draft got filed where I didn't see it. There are a couple minor changes below: On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 15:44 -0400, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Curious About Fedora 9? > >> by: Fedora Team > >> > >> If you???re curious about what might be included in the next version of > >> Fedora -- Fedora 9 Sulpher, due out in late April 2008 -- today???s Beta > >> release gives a good glimpse into what???s ahead. The Beta release > >> > > signals > > > >> the feature freeze for the next release, meaning that all major features > >> that we plan to include have to either be complete or in a testable > >> state. It???s aimed at our developers and early adopters, but everyone in > >> the community is given the opportunity to give feedback to improve our > >> latest and greatest cycles. Testing of the Fedora 9 Beta release is > >> really simple because with live media images, you don???t need to install > >> anything. > >> > >> Some highlights included in the Beta release: > >> o GNOME application enhancements including the ability share files via > >> bluetooth, DVD and DVB support and a new default CD player. Since we can't ship the stuff that makes DVD and DVB work, how about this: "o GNOME application enhancements, including a new global clock, better file sharing via bluetooth, improved support for using file systems over a network, Totem improvements, and a new default CD player" Also: "o ?KDE 4, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new concepts, integrated desktop search, and a brand new visual style called Oxygen -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE special interest group" > >> o Firefox 3 Beta 3 Browser > >> > > > > I think it's beta 4 now ? I've updated the Release Notes to say this but > > actually I'm not certain! It's now Firefox 3 Beta 5. > >> o Improvements for managing network devices > >> o A software flash browser plugin > >> > > > > Should probably try and highlight that it's a *free software* flash plugin, > > that's enabled by *default* > > > > > >> o Consolidated dictionary support "o Consolidated dictionary support for consistent results and lower memory usage" > >> o Anaconda installer improvements > >> > > > > encrypted partitions might be worth mentioning here explicitly Also: o easy resizing support for ext2, ext3, and NTFS partitions in the installer. > >> o Live image improvements > >> o FreeIPA, to help make managing auditing, identity and policy easier > >> o Virtualization > >> For more information on enhancements, see the Beta release notes. > >> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes) > >> > >> Where does it go from here? Next, we take all of the feedback reported > >> from the Beta and make enhancements and tweaks in time for the upcoming > >> development and translation freezes and the planned April 22 Release > >> Candidate 1. The final Fedora 9 release is scheduled for April 29. > >> > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jon > > > Jon- Thanks for the input. Does anyone else have any edits? Would be > great if we could finalize the content by tomorrow (Wed.) so we have it > ready for posting on Thurs. morning ET. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The >> (better) stories could be published in a random loop on >> fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials. >> >> The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably >> ambassadors) the same questions. >> >> The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see >> what everyone else thought. -- ian > > I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for > photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It > will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to > see a website with smiling people right? :) > > ~m > Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 07:39:38 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:09:38 +0530 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47E88253.9040603@gmail.com> References: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> <47E88253.9040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E8AC3A.3030905@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Beckwith wrote: | Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users | smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P real people, real stories and real photographers as well :) when does one begin ? the one piece that comes to mind is http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQaYKcg0WAE thanks to kushal - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6KvrXQZpNTcrCzMRAvXBAKDLPAO0+ShvMNfN9gQdsvww8gLtdgCgxlwr kcSn3NgsmmcKi3N1dLmapig= =Ak03 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us Tue Mar 25 08:07:35 2008 From: donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us (Donnell Nichols) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:07:35 -0400 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus is research, development and marketing of software, products, and equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans. I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding Fedora. Thanks Donnell -- GPG key: B66C666F Server : pgp.mit.edu http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DonnellNichols From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:31:14 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:31:14 +0100 Subject: Fedora in podcast - Run Your Own Server Episode 5 Message-ID: <64b14b300803250531r3d68f7aboac74282d7cadda3@mail.gmail.com> I listened to a podcast called "Run Your Own Server Episode" and in episode 5 they talked about Fedora so here are my tomboy notes in this email and also as a html page exported from tomboy. http://feeds.runyourownserver.org/~r/runyourownserver/~5/97327624/ryos-podcast-episode0005.mp3 Fedora Project history. RHEL Beta? ? connection between RHEL - Fedora Project - Community ? Fedora release cycle ? Why is Fedora good as a server? ? Fedora installation process ? sneak peak of RHEL ? SELinux - suggested to be disabled ? LVM - explanation what is used for, but they don't use it and they personally disable it ? Firewall - turned off because they make custom firewall scripts ? SELinux - explanation of functionality, bad experience with it ? lockdowns on new installed fedora box ? chkconfig --list ? never run runlevel 5 on server! No X! ? dislike for lots of services running by default ? chkconfig --level 345 off ? block ssh access to fixed IP address or host ? denyhosts and allowhosts ? fedora updates ? yum updates ? repositories ? reload fedora every 6 months because of release cycle :( ? end of live for fedora - 1 year, nightmare if you have lots of fedora boxes ? Conclusion ? you can see what will RHEL look like in 2-3 years ? not recommended for producion server ? good for workstation ? Log files ? general discussion about log files, unrelated to fedora Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uosiumen at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 13:02:08 2008 From: uosiumen at gmail.com (Krzysztof Hajdamowicz) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:02:08 +0100 Subject: New product utilising Fedora In-Reply-To: <47E87006.9090902@nebtrex.com> References: <47E87006.9090902@nebtrex.com> Message-ID: <849180620803250602j35df4b3dp418d56e211e2f799@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/25 Stewart Campbell : > What kind of changes have you made? How did you make them? (Did you use > tools like livecd-creator or pungi?) > > Tools used: > - Mostly gedit to manually edit the config files > - gconf-edit to change defaults > > There were quite a few changes we made. Here is a brief list: > - Created a custom kickstart for our custom install over network boot > servers so that we can image many systems at once > - Created our own Fedora 8 internal repo so that the second stage of the > install process installs all updates from our local repo so the user does > not have a massive download when they receive the desktop > - Added extra archive support so the users who are used to a GUI > environment like Windows can just click on most archive file formats and it > will open in archive manager > - Customised keyboard settings so that the Internet keys on the keyboard > will work out of the box. Key like mute/un-mute, volume up, volume down, > Windows Start Menu key will select the main Applications menu, CD playback > keys etc. > - DVD, VCD, CD auto play in full screen when inserted. > - We have made sure most file formats are supported and load in the correct > applications. Formats like MP4, MP3, WAV, DOC, PPT, XLS, PDF, image formats > etc. > - Browser (Firefox) is pre-installed with Adobe flash and Java plugins so > the user can start using the Internet straight away without having to worry > about installing and configuring these plugins. > - Remote Desktop, we have installed an easy to use GUI for remote desktop > use. Out of the box it supports RDP, RDPv5, VNC, XDMCP. > - GUI PPTP VPN client is also installed to make it easy for business users > to connect into another network. > - Bluetooth support installed and set-up. If a user has a Bluetooth USB > adapter and plugs it is, system automatically detect and provide Bluetooth > support. > - Customised default user profile so that many minor settings have been > altered so each user account created automatically has what we believe an > easy to user interface and less changes are required for the user to just > user the system without have to customise first. > - Added the livna repo for installing some of the extra packages we wanted. > - Changed the default applications to a range of applications that suit > both the home and business market. A lot of the default applications were > kept as they were ones we wanted anyway. > - We also install and customise an open source web based admin product so > that most common admin tasks can be performed from support personal with > just a web browser even will the user is still using the system. > Can you publish ISO image (tar.gz'ipped filesystem, whatever else) with such modified system? -- regards, uosiu mail: uosiumen on server uosiu DOT info jabber: uosiu on server jabberpl DOT org From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 14:39:04 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Beta live! Message-ID: The beta is live. Go out, get people and try to crash the servers! The challenge is on :-P http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease -Mike From kcatallo at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 14:49:51 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:49:51 -0400 Subject: Beta live! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E9110F.3030000@redhat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > The beta is live. Go out, get people and try to crash the servers! The > challenge is on :-P > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease > > -Mike > The press blog is also up (for good this time ;-) ): http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/25/curious-about-fedora-9/. thanks, Kerri From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 16:54:54 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:54:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Beta live! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > The beta is live. Go out, get people and try to crash the servers! The > challenge is on :-P > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease > :: cough cough :: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Screenshot_Tour_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_Beta -Mike From scott at tekkie.org Tue Mar 25 17:24:53 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:53 -0230 Subject: Beta live! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d0809e40803251024u1872551i4bb503ae27580f35@mail.gmail.com> I think I might put together a screenshot tour of Fedora 9 tonight :-) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > The beta is live. Go out, get people and try to crash the servers! The > > challenge is on :-P > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease > > > > :: cough cough :: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Screenshot_Tour_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_Beta > > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Jon From notting at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 18:57:52 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:57:52 -0400 Subject: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> Message-ID: <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> JoergSimon (press at fedoraemea.org) said: > === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === > > ?* Ownership: Robert Scheck > ?* Progress: - > ?* Meeting Minutes: > ? ?* Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or > one-time fees. > ? ?* FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any > explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > ? ?* For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members > you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. > ? ?* Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > professional invoices and accounting as well. > ? ?* (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking > into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the > available information from upstream. > ? ?* Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / > proprietary anyway. > ?* Action Item: > ? ?* Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank > recommends. > ? ?* Requirements: > ? ? ?* Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Accounting [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Donation Receipts [mandatory] > ? ? ?* English version [optional] This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them on the wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of the various open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have you investigated? Bill From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 20:00:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:57 -0400 Subject: Digg the beta release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1206475257.5173.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:46 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > To help spread the word, maybe people would like to help digg this: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Fedora_Project_releases_Fedora_9_Beta > > There are several out there, but this has the most diggs so far...sorry if > this has already been discussed, been a bit out of the loop the past few > days and just catching up on e-mail! Please, for the love of all that's holy, if you've EVER LOVED FEDORA, digg this article. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 25 20:21:38 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:21:38 +0100 Subject: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Bill, it's a pleasure for us, seeing you reading our meeting minutes and responding; that's the feedback we want, that's the feedback we need for doing our job well ... Maybe it looks curious that some issues seems to be done twice or done more times but please belive me/us that we try to look upstream with all things we like to do. By now, we are a "association" or a "company" call it whatever you want and fortunately and also unfortunatly we have to cover legal things, law etc. and most of theses things are discussed at our first Board meeting and were topic of the agenda. If you show us a software with which we can handle all our issues like membershio administration, invoicing, balance reports etc. which cover also additional German Law, we'll be glad to have your input! Robert is looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues clearly covered ... As written, feel free if you have a solution, tell us! Friendly yours Gerold Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 14:57 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > JoergSimon (press at fedoraemea.org) said: > > === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === > > > > * Ownership: Robert Scheck > > * Progress: - > > * Meeting Minutes: > > * Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or > > one-time fees. > > * FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any > > explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > > * For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members > > you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. > > * Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > > professional invoices and accounting as well. > > * (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking > > into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the > > available information from upstream. > > * Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / > > proprietary anyway. > > * Action Item: > > * Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank > > recommends. > > * Requirements: > > * Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > > * Accounting [mandatory] > > * Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > > * Donation Receipts [mandatory] > > * English version [optional] > > This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them on the > wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of the various > open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have you investigated? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert is > looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues > clearly covered ... Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American legal system is hostile to open source... Bill From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 25 20:58:16 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:58:16 +0100 Subject: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206478696.2710.16.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Hi Bill, again me :-) If there *are* packages and Suites, please show us. We haven't found at least one who will fit our needs :-( We are always looking for *ONE* solution; because we know and found several single solution; but not one, and we haven't the power to code our own at the moment ... Thanks gerold Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 16:30 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > Gerold Kassube (gerold at lugd.org) said: > > By now, we are a "association" or a "company" call it whatever you want > > and fortunately and also unfortunatly we have to cover legal things, law > > etc. and most of theses things are discussed at our first Board meeting > > and were topic of the agenda. > > > > If you show us a software with which we can handle all our issues like > > membershio administration, invoicing, balance reports etc. which cover > > also additional German Law, we'll be glad to have your input! Robert is > > looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues > > clearly covered ... > > Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that > handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American > legal system is hostile to open source... > > Bill > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Managing regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have mentioned in your mails. A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target audience - just to name an example. Greetings, Robert From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 22:09:15 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Beta Metrics Message-ID: So last time I ran some metrics against alpha, mostly just numbers. This time around I'm going to keep better track of them and present them in a more visual way. I'll be adding more and more here as time goes on with more and more updated stats: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/ As always with metrics its important to understand the underlying causes of things. For example, the isodownloads.png makes it look like the beta launch went much much better then the alpha launch but the "publicMirrorList.png" tells a different story. This is likely because of what we linked too from the release announcement. The Alpha announcement talked about download.fedoraproject.org direclty which bypassed our ability to log iso hits in the same way. If anyone has any specific requests let me know. -Mike From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 25 22:13:55 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:13:55 +0900 Subject: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <1206483235.2759.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 22:00 +0100, Robert Scheck wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that > > handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American > > legal system is hostile to open source... > > Please be aware, that ERP/GnuCash etc. != NPO management software. Managing > regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have > mentioned in your mails. > > A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the > "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target > audience - just to name an example. > > > Greetings, > Robert > If you are talking about a full fleshed out NPO Management software I would say that you would have to find one. I'm an accountant/auditor now as my full time job and personally GnuCash if you manipulate it or Kmymoney is very good. I say this because as an accountant it is pretty easy to set up. I'm not to sure what German Law has to abide but if it's documenting who has donated etc. then there is a notes section in both those software packages. Other packages which include a whole range of different things such as PHP CRM packages which have components for accounting and things like that. It's going to take a bit to set up, if you are going to purchase software well you are going to be paying for the software and also for the setting up. Any help that you want give me a yell offlist but I've had a good look at some of the packages around. Also actual knowledge of Gnucash apart from basic know how there is a guy on IRC who uses it for his business. Have a chat to him his IRC nick is "Southern Gentlemen" Cheers, Marc From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 23:04:02 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:04:02 -0600 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> Evening all, We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what press.redhat.com is. 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). 3) Experiment and play - find a work flow that's right for us! We may need some test material for this, such as an example FWN release or a mock announcement. 4) We need a theme. I've started on one, and whatever we create for Wordpress should also work on Lyceum, though we've had some problems with this! If you're interested to see what I've got so far, test.questionsplease.org will let you :) I can make this available for people to use as a base. All I've done is create a simple Wordpress template that uses the ids and classes from fedora.css, and point at that for the style sheet. I'll upload this to my fedorapeople space soon... Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here? I think that's all for now. Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about this? Ah, and finally, could we keep all replies to the marketing list, if people think that's appropriate? Better to do everything once than 5 times! Best wishes, and sorry for all the stuff I've probably forgotten! Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 23:12:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:42:15 +0530 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> Message-ID: <47E986CF.1080104@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different > roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the > install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here? You want https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/lyceum/portal.php Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 23:21:44 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:21:44 -0600 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <47E986CF.1080104@fedoraproject.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <47E986CF.1080104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:42:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different >> roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the >> install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here? > > You want > > https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/lyceum/portal.php Thanks Rahul! Also, if people sign up, could they let us know what role they had in mind for themselves? Editor or author I think are the options... Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 23:59:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:29:06 +0530 Subject: Linux Action Show podcast interviews =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E1ir=EDn_Du?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ffy_from_Fedora_Art_team?= Message-ID: <47E991CA.8080305@fedoraproject.org> Hi Discussions include the art process, Fedora 9, target audience etc http://www.linuxactionshow.com/?p=176 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 00:01:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:31:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Beta Preview Message-ID: <47E9924B.3040603@fedoraproject.org> Hi "X Server 1.4.1 still hasn't yet been released for X.Org 7.3, but Red Hat's Adam Jackson is doing a splendid job with the X.Org 7.4 release management and seeing that the final version will be ready to ship with Fedora 9. X.Org 7.4 / X Server 1.5 contains new input hot-plugging capabilities, the porting of drivers to using the new PCI setup infrastructure (pciaccess), DRI2, and the start of kernel-based mode-setting. The only X.Org video driver that looks like it will be ready to ship with kernel-based mode-setting for Fedora 9 is the xf86-video-intel driver." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora9_beta&num=1 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 01:20:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:50:03 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? Message-ID: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I was talking recently to a couple of friends who aren't in the software industry and it came out in our recent discussions that both the companies they are working for is using Fedora on their systems. They remarked that they had no idea that Red Hat was involved in Fedora. I still meet people in various places who think Red Hat has stopped working on a free distribution after Red Hat Linux 9 and continue to use it or worse a earlier version. I just looked within Fedora to see if there was any hint and couldn't really find any prominent ones. The note on http://fedoraproject.org is also easily missed. Is this a deliberate decision? Should there be some of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other places? Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some such. Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 02:43:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:43:02 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Beta Preview In-Reply-To: <47E9924B.3040603@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9924B.3040603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206499382.4531.141.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 05:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "X Server 1.4.1 still hasn't yet been released for X.Org 7.3, but Red > Hat's Adam Jackson is doing a splendid job with the X.Org 7.4 release > management and seeing that the final version will be ready to ship with > Fedora 9. X.Org 7.4 / X Server 1.5 contains new input hot-plugging > capabilities, the porting of drivers to using the new PCI setup > infrastructure (pciaccess), DRI2, and the start of kernel-based > mode-setting. The only X.Org video driver that looks like it will be > ready to ship with kernel-based mode-setting for Fedora 9 is the > xf86-video-intel driver." > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora9_beta&num=1 Good review, but this is a bit inaccurate: "... Red Hat has pushed out the beta release of Fedora 9 (codenamed Sulphur) with many more features implemented and ready to be tested." At least, "Red Hat and the Fedora community have ..." would be more accurate. But since Red Hat is just a (really big) contributor to Fedora, saying Fedora community would be 100% accurate. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 02:45:39 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:45:39 -0700 Subject: Beta live! In-Reply-To: <3d0809e40803251024u1872551i4bb503ae27580f35@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d0809e40803251024u1872551i4bb503ae27580f35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206499539.4531.145.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 14:54 -0230, Scott Thistle wrote: > I think I might put together a screenshot tour of Fedora 9 tonight :-) We're actually counting on one being done for F9: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView a.k.a OverView.html in the release notes ... Fedora Tour You can find a tour filled with pictures and videos of this exciting new release at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora9. Previous tours available for reference, etc. TIA! - Karsten > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Mike McGrath > wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > The beta is live. Go out, get people and try to crash the > servers! The > > challenge is on :-P > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease > > > > > :: cough cough :: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Screenshot_Tour_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_Beta > > > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 03:27:18 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:27:18 -0700 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> Message-ID: <1206502039.4531.151.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Evening all, > > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: > > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? > > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what > press.redhat.com is. > > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). Wordpress MU is, aiui, the multiple-blog system. Lyceum was a fork of Wordpress to do multiple-blogs from one install, and they've worked to rebase on Wordpress regularly. However, Wordpress MU is the formal effort from Wordpress itself, so it might grow to be stronger with the rest of Wordpress. It would presumably play more nicely with plugins, etc., but I've no experience there. Here it is in the words of WP themselves: http://mu.wordpress.org/faq/ I wouldn't put a ton of weight on what Red Hat Magazine is using. It could be switched at any time, right? At the time that RHM was put together using a blog engine, Lyceum was the clear choice. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 04:02:00 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1206502039.4531.151.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206502039.4531.151.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Evening all, > > > > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org > > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank > > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) > > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: > > > > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? > > > > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other > > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what > > press.redhat.com is. > > > > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra > > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on > > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I > > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by > > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also > > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). > > Wordpress MU is, aiui, the multiple-blog system. Lyceum was a fork of > Wordpress to do multiple-blogs from one install, and they've worked to > rebase on Wordpress regularly. However, Wordpress MU is the formal > effort from Wordpress itself, so it might grow to be stronger with the > rest of Wordpress. It would presumably play more nicely with plugins, > etc., but I've no experience there. Here it is in the words of WP > themselves: > > http://mu.wordpress.org/faq/ > > I wouldn't put a ton of weight on what Red Hat Magazine is using. It > could be switched at any time, right? At the time that RHM was put > together using a blog engine, Lyceum was the clear choice. > We actually had a lot of problems getting MU going. Especially as it relates to some simple things (like using https instead of http) which required changes to the code itself :-/ Frank Chiulli is the primary Infrastructure contact on that right now though, he actually went through all the steps to get it up and going. -Mike From sudheer.s at binaryvibes.co.in Wed Mar 26 07:45:45 2008 From: sudheer.s at binaryvibes.co.in (Sudheer) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:15:45 +0530 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> Message-ID: <47E9FF29.6060002@binaryvibes.co.in> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Evening all, > > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: > > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? > > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what > press.redhat.com is. > > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). > > I recommend Drupal. It provides multi user blog and whole lot of other features. > 3) Experiment and play - find a work flow that's right for us! We may need > some test material for this, such as an example FWN release or a mock > announcement. > > 4) We need a theme. I've started on one, and whatever we create for > Wordpress should also work on Lyceum, though we've had some problems with > this! If you're interested to see what I've got so far, > test.questionsplease.org will let you :) I can make this available for > people to use as a base. All I've done is create a simple Wordpress > template that uses the ids and classes from fedora.css, and point at that > for the style sheet. I'll upload this to my fedorapeople space soon... > > I would be glad to help set-up Drupal for news.fedoraproject.org. > Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different > roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the > install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here? > > I think that's all for now. Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about > this? Ah, and finally, could we keep all replies to the marketing list, if > people think that's appropriate? Better to do everything once than 5 times! > > > Best wishes, and sorry for all the stuff I've probably forgotten! > > Jon > > -- With warm regards, Sudheer. S http://binaryvibes.co.in From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 07:49:39 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:49:39 +0100 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Should there be some > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > places? > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > such. -1 from me Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 08:59:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:29:22 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> JoergSimon wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >> Should there be some >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other >> places? >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some >> such. > > -1 from me > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't really credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors might and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but not regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and background. Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have now a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. Rahul From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 09:02:56 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:02:56 +0200 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > JoergSimon wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > > >> Should there be some > >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > >> places? > >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or > some > >> such. > > > > -1 from me > > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? > > A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't really > credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors might > and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but not > regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large > majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and background. > Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have now > a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. btw, what would be the impact if an ordinary Linux user d'nt know about who is the sponsor of the Distro he/she is using? > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 09:07:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:37:55 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram > > wrote: > > JoergSimon wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > > >> Should there be some > >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > >> places? > >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat > or some > >> such. > > > > -1 from me > > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not > enough? > > A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't really > credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors might > and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but not > regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large > majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and background. > Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have now > a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. > > > btw, what would be the impact if an ordinary Linux user d'nt know about > who is the sponsor of the Distro he/she is using? As I already explained, Fedora releases have a long standing legacy of Red Hat Linux releases. We are losing long term users and potential contributors who aren't aware of the transition. There are a number of sub projects which take advantage of this continuing including EPEL. Rahul From gelios at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 09:15:29 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:15:29 +0300 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <448999300803260215u38ffa915ic39305700b5015f9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram > > > > wrote: > > > > JoergSimon wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > > > > >> Should there be some > > >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > > >> places? > > >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat > > or some > > >> such. > > > > > > -1 from me > > > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not > > enough? > > > > A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't really > > credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors might > > and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but not > > regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large > > majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and background. > > Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have now > > a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. > > > > > > btw, what would be the impact if an ordinary Linux user d'nt know about > > who is the sponsor of the Distro he/she is using? > > As I already explained, Fedora releases have a long standing legacy of > Red Hat Linux releases. We are losing long term users and potential > contributors who aren't aware of the transition. There are a number of > sub projects which take advantage of this continuing including EPEL. > > > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Agree. People should know: gain fedora experience = gain Red Hat Linux experience. we can use logo for example like this: http://fedoraproject.org.ru/files/fedora-logo.png From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 09:18:09 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:18:09 +0200 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org> <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> <47EA126B.7050300@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30803260218x1fbab247v9047c0ebb9ce31fa@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram > > > wrote: > > > > JoergSimon wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > > > > >> Should there be some > > >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in > other > > >> places? > > >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat > > or some > > >> such. > > > > > > -1 from me > > > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not > > enough? > > > > A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't > really > > credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors > might > > and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but > not > > regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large > > majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and > background. > > Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have > now > > a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. > > > > > > btw, what would be the impact if an ordinary Linux user d'nt know about > > who is the sponsor of the Distro he/she is using? > > As I already explained, Fedora releases have a long standing legacy of > Red Hat Linux releases. We are losing long term users and potential > contributors who aren't aware of the transition. There are a number of > sub projects which take advantage of this continuing including EPEL. there is already too much in media/press about this transition, but if still somebody is unaware of it, Ambassadors should be asked to promote the insight during their promotional work. > > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diaaradwan at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 09:23:34 2008 From: diaaradwan at gmail.com (Diaa Radwan) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:23:34 +0200 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EA1616.7000505@gmail.com> On 03/26/2008 03:20 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > I was talking recently to a couple of friends who aren't in the software > industry and it came out in our recent discussions that both the > companies they are working for is using Fedora on their systems. They > remarked that they had no idea that Red Hat was involved in Fedora. > > I still meet people in various places who think Red Hat has stopped > working on a free distribution after Red Hat Linux 9 and continue to use > it or worse a earlier version. > > I just looked within Fedora to see if there was any hint and couldn't > really find any prominent ones. The note on http://fedoraproject.org is > also easily missed. Is this a deliberate decision? Should there be some > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > places? > > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > such. I think this will bring us back 2 years. One of the major advantage given by Red hat; is we got transparent build process; all tools used is GPL'ed, all these efforts are done to invite and welcome contributers, I think co-branding will do exact the opposite. > > Rahul > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 09:30:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:00:25 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA1616.7000505@gmail.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <47EA1616.7000505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EA17B1.8060107@fedoraproject.org> Diaa Radwan wrote: > On 03/26/2008 03:20 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was talking recently to a couple of friends who aren't in the >> software industry and it came out in our recent discussions that both >> the companies they are working for is using Fedora on their systems. >> They remarked that they had no idea that Red Hat was involved in Fedora. >> >> I still meet people in various places who think Red Hat has stopped >> working on a free distribution after Red Hat Linux 9 and continue to >> use it or worse a earlier version. >> >> I just looked within Fedora to see if there was any hint and couldn't >> really find any prominent ones. The note on http://fedoraproject.org >> is also easily missed. Is this a deliberate decision? Should there be >> some of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in >> other places? >> >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or >> some such. > > I think this will bring us back 2 years. One of the major advantage > given by Red hat; is we got transparent build process; all tools used is > GPL'ed, all these efforts are done to invite and welcome contributers, I will > think co-branding will do exact the opposite. Free software with branding is still Free software and will continue to stay that way. This discussion is orthogonal to that. Rahul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 10:08:06 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:08:06 +0100 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA0F86.3040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260921.37146.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA0F86.3040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 09:55:34 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > JoergSimon wrote: > > Hi Rahul, > > > > just in private and in peace! > > Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? > > I don't see what is wrong with a public discussion. OK as you wish, marketing list is the wrong place - and a lot of Ambassadors did not read the marketing list Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Should there be some > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > places? > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > such. Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 09:21:29 schrieb JoergSimon(altered): > Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? Why not with the > Ambassadors? They have to deal with that. > We in europe and Contributors all over the world worked hard to have the > Fedora Brand unique, i know that some > people in the project are trying to get more contributions from companies - > like "contribute inhouse builds to EPEL you have it for RHEL with a lot of > benefits". For Fedora this is good - i bed if there are companies wich > build software for RHEL then they know the Fedora Project! > A Double Brand for RedHat maybe it is good for a short term marketing > boost. But RedHat have to pay for this double Brand - not much direct with > money, like "oh you are sponsored by RedHat then you must pay for your > booth" .... Me for my self, i work for the Fedoraproject with all what i > can do and i love the work of RedHat and the RedHat People and i hold some > RedHat Certificates - but i am not a wannabe RedHat Contributor - if the > Project will go in the OpenSuse direction i am sure the Fedora Project will > get maybe more users - but lose Contributors. > > Cheers And yes, RedHat does major work and give much money - but Fedora would not exist in the way as it is, because of the work and the commitment of all the free contributors and i know and i feel, i dont want it marked as a RedHat SubProject. This is wrong! cheers -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us Wed Mar 26 10:10:43 2008 From: donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us (=?utf-8?B?RG9ubmVsbCBOaWNob2xz?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:10:43 +0000 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org><200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org><47EA106A.7060000@fedoraproject.org><8e1ee2a30803260202p2ead29dcxbd796c0b329cba49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <360326491-1206522672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1029749633-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I am relatively new to the project but would like to submit this as a comment on co branding. Overall co-branding is powerful when a project is on the market and consumers are scared to test it out. Co-branding gives the consumer a sense of stability by creating a secure foundation around the product. Basically a new user of Fedora may not be knowledable of the software and name, but since Red Hat is pretty well known co-branding gives that level of belief that the product has a great support base and foundation. However, dont we want Fedora to stand on its own merit and the belief that the very foundation of this product is the large community of people like us who make this product work. Co-branding in this case may take away in some aspects from the message we are trying to put out. Donnell Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Nayyar Ahmad" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:02:56 To:"For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Subject: Re: Co-branding? On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: JoergSimon wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >> Should there be some >> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other >> places? >> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some >> such. > > -1 from me > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? A typical Fedora user wouldn't ever see this and the point isn't really credit but continuity from Red Hat Linux. Long term contributors might and people who are actively involved in the linux community will but not regular end users who just use the distribution which is the large majority wouldn't. They will just see the bootup screen and background. Even the website is somewhat a secondary audience but since we have now a start.fp.o home page that is more prominent too. btw, what would be the impact if an ordinary Linux user d'nt know about who is the sponsor of the Distro he/she is using? Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 10:18:33 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:48:33 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260921.37146.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA0F86.3040406@fedoraproject.org> <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> JoergSimon wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 09:55:34 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> JoergSimon wrote: >>> Hi Rahul, >>> >>> just in private and in peace! >>> Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? >> I don't see what is wrong with a public discussion. > > OK as you wish, marketing list is the wrong place - and a lot of Ambassadors > did not read the marketing list Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the recommend procedure at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join Since a RFE to merge the lists was turned down after a majority vote supporting it last time, we can now deal with the fall out. We don't want to cross post either. Refer http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.html > And yes, RedHat does major work and give much money - but Fedora would not > exist in the way as it is, because of the work and the commitment of all the > free contributors and i know and i feel, i dont want it marked as a RedHat > SubProject. This is wrong! Absolutely. Marketing as a sub project would definitely be wrong but co-branding means an alliance including sponsorships. Sounds a good fit to me. Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Mar 26 11:45:25 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:45:25 +0100 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > I was talking recently to a couple of friends who aren't in the software > industry and it came out in our recent discussions that both the > companies they are working for is using Fedora on their systems. They > remarked that they had no idea that Red Hat was involved in Fedora. > > I still meet people in various places who think Red Hat has stopped > working on a free distribution after Red Hat Linux 9 and continue to use > it or worse a earlier version. > People don't know about Linux. People don't know (or don't care) about Free and Open Source Software in general. Or open document standards for that matter. Even more people do not know EPEL. I've seen experienced administrators not knowing perl-LDAP is actually a package and it doesn't need to come from CPAN. Long story short; people just can't keep track. Some people will miss out on huge changes. Ask people to explain global warming. Ignorance is bliss. And not our problem. > I just looked within Fedora to see if there was any hint and couldn't > really find any prominent ones. The note on http://fedoraproject.org is > also easily missed. Is this a deliberate decision? Should there be some > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > places? > > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > such. > A *huge* -1 here We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a community powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, upstream to Red Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might I add*). I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. It may still exist in some people's heads. Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere mortals on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way more important then getting the long-term users back on board because they missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to Fedora, making Red Hat their Enterprise product. Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all this back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From invert01 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 15:46:25 2008 From: invert01 at gmail.com (Aaron Yates) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:46:25 +0000 Subject: Aaron Yates Message-ID: <80ef5880803260846s642c7a3dr7c7d073cc53af2d8@mail.gmail.com> Hello to all, I'd like to join the Fedora marketing team, and believe I have to submit a self introduction, of which I have included bellow. Aaron Yates London, United Kingdom (BST, GMT+1) I am currently on my University placement in London with Siren World Wide Ltd, a professional services company working in On Demand, Digital Marketing and Telephony. My degree programme is BSc Digital Art and Technology at the University of Plymouth, Devon, UK. As part of the Fedora project I'd ideally like to contribute to expanding Fedora's user base via different mediums and channels, whilst improving my knowledge of the OS and the community surrounding and expanding Fedora. I have previous experience in Web development and design across the typical platforms and mobile devices. Relevant experience pertaining to this community is 4 years part time work during my schooling for an Events company, based in the Midlands, UK, for a wide range of charities, corporate events and weddings. By the end of my time with this company I was regularly managing groups of up to 30 staff, as part of a much larger team, to achieve a successful event for both the client and the teams of staff involved. In my current position on placement, I am a part of the creative team, but liaise closely with the accounts department to visit clients to aide in presentations and pitches. Thank you for your time, Best regards, Aaron Yates -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My degree programme is BSc Digital Art and > Technology at the University of Plymouth, Devon, UK. > > As part of the Fedora project I'd ideally like to contribute to > expanding Fedora's user base via different mediums and channels, whilst > improving my knowledge of the OS and the community surrounding and > expanding Fedora. > > I have previous experience in Web development and design across the > typical platforms and mobile devices. Good to have you here Aaron Yates. Welcome to Fedora Marketing. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 16:09:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:09:29 -0400 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1206547769.17855.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 12:45 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was talking recently to a couple of friends who aren't in the software > > industry and it came out in our recent discussions that both the > > companies they are working for is using Fedora on their systems. They > > remarked that they had no idea that Red Hat was involved in Fedora. > > > > I still meet people in various places who think Red Hat has stopped > > working on a free distribution after Red Hat Linux 9 and continue to use > > it or worse a earlier version. > > > > People don't know about Linux. People don't know (or don't care) about > Free and Open Source Software in general. Or open document standards for > that matter. Even more people do not know EPEL. I've seen experienced > administrators not knowing perl-LDAP is actually a package and it > doesn't need to come from CPAN. > > Long story short; people just can't keep track. Some people will miss > out on huge changes. Ask people to explain global warming. Ignorance is > bliss. And not our problem. > > > I just looked within Fedora to see if there was any hint and couldn't > > really find any prominent ones. The note on http://fedoraproject.org is > > also easily missed. Is this a deliberate decision? Should there be some > > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > > places? > > > > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > > such. > > > > A *huge* -1 here > > We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread > prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground > project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a community > powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, upstream to Red > Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might I add*). > > I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. It > may still exist in some people's heads. > > Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, > and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere mortals > on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way more > important then getting the long-term users back on board because they > missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to Fedora, > making Red Hat their Enterprise product. > > Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all this > back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as > contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally > with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. In a thread on fedora-ambassadors-list[1], someone was kind enough to raise an exception from our own Greg DeKoenigsberg: "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to understand that distinction." -1 to co-branding. = = = = = [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-March/msg00187.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At the minute we're working on coming up with a marketing plan that will help us to define our brand, target audience, mission etc etc along with some strategies and tactics to promote it. You can find the work we're doing on this at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan Also, there are general bits and pieces of day to day work that we always need more help with too! For example, we produce developer interviews, and more people organising and conducting these are always welcome (heh, OK, this is generally me, and I always welcome some more help with this!) Best wishes, and looking forward to working with you, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 16:25:41 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:25:41 -0700 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 04:07 -0400, Donnell Nichols wrote: > Hello > > My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora > Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information > security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus > is research, development and marketing of software, products, and > equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect > critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance > the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans. > > I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding > Fedora. Excellent Donnell, welcome and thanks for joining this worthy effort. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 16:30:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:30:21 -0700 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> <47E847AB.1080806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206549021.4531.182.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 20:57 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > The old Fedora t-shirts used to say "I Am Fedora" i think... how about > > "I Am" or something like that? > > > > i-am.fedoraproject.org > > Elsewhere in this thread we decided to do it under FWN, I think. > However this is not a bad idea in case that doesn't work out We can have that sub-domain resolve to anything we want, such as news.fedoraproject.org/categories/i-am-fedora-stories. It's useful to have a catchy sub-domain, and it's a common Fedora practice. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Mar 26 16:48:00 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:48:00 -0700 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at California State University, Los Angeles. I'm also an independent web developer and consultant. I use Fedora 8 in my PC, love it, and would like to be involved with Fedora Project. I wanted to be active and promote Fedora by becoming Ambassador and OS Developers. I'm quite new with Linux kernel development, but I'm a quick learner. I always want to learn more! Thanks, Grady Laksmono www.laksmono.com From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 17:04:52 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:04:52 +0100 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/3/26, JoergSimon : > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > -1 from me > Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? I agree with Joerg. Let me explain the reason I think I'm one of the few contributors who joined fedora as it is, without knowing what Red Hat was, just knowing it was a sponsor. Red Hat is helping the project with a lot (really a lot) of resources, employers and support, but, meanwhile, fedora is facing its own branding process: it has its community, its values and its perspective. I think many people are joining the project because they discovered directly it, they met fedora people, they joined events and saw our logo. Many times I read in the blog that Fedora is a distribution for Sysadmin, but it's not completely true: it's for everyone, and it's not only a distribution, it's a community project. Yes, RH is really helping us. According to Joerg post, fedora is demonstrating the great reconnaissance to RH, but according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct (for ambassadors, but it could be extended to the whole project), we are not allowed to abuse of RH name, even if it gives us resource, just because we didn't receive the permit from our GREAT sponsor. And I agree completely with such position: we are offering a service that differs in many way with a business, we are here to produce a free and open source OS (and community services) for people, like me, and this way gives us different goals, strategies, etc... Red Hat is, and will remain, our point of reference for its values, for the people and the resources it gives to make this project one of the best i ever seen. I think everyone who really know fedora know how RH is helping us, and i think it the biggest prize we can give it. Regards Francesco Ugolini From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 17:28:48 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:28:48 -0700 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206552528.4531.189.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 09:48 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at > California State University, Los Angeles. I'm also an independent web > developer and consultant. I use Fedora 8 in my PC, love it, and would > like to be involved with Fedora Project. I wanted to be active and > promote Fedora by becoming Ambassador and OS Developers. I'm quite new > with Linux kernel development, but I'm a quick learner. I always want > to learn more! Great, always very happy to see more West Coast folks working on Fedora. From your interests, you might also want to look at what the Websites and Infrastructure teams are doing; it's not OS development but it's definitely interesting web development. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Join - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 17:33:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:03:29 +0530 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EA88E9.8050902@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/3/26, JoergSimon : >> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> >> -1 from me >> Rahul, the 1.April is next week ;-) >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions <- is this not enough? > > I agree with Joerg. > > Let me explain the reason {snipped lot of good thoughts] Thanks for the thoughtful reasoning. Especially for not giving a knee jerk response. Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 17:35:06 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at > California State University, Los Angeles. I'm also an independent web > developer and consultant. I use Fedora 8 in my PC, love it, and would > like to be involved with Fedora Project. I wanted to be active and > promote Fedora by becoming Ambassador and OS Developers. I'm quite new > with Linux kernel development, but I'm a quick learner. I always want > to learn more! Hi Grady -- welcome aboard. :) A good place to start, in case you haven't already been: http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 17:45:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:15:35 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Beta Offers a Glimpse of =?windows-1252?q?What=92s_to_Co?= =?windows-1252?q?me?= Message-ID: <47EA8BBF.7080505@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.olaf-egner.de/wp/?p=1790 "On the whole Fedora 9 looks to be an impressive update for the distribution and naturally we?ll be sure to take it for a spin when the final release is available. In the mean time, if you decided to test out the beta, be sure to let us know about your experience." Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 18:04:49 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:04:49 -0700 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206554689.4531.192.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 18:04 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I think everyone who really know fedora know how RH is helping us, and > i think it the biggest prize we can give it. As an idea that I think is good for Fedora and addresses some of Rahul's original concern, do we have a "History of Fedora" page? If/when we do, a nice timeline diagram that looks all Fedora pretty, we can link to it from our front page. That way people interested in such things can find out for themselves without a ton of independent research or "just knowing". - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 18:06:02 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:06:02 -0400 Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47E88253.9040603@gmail.com> References: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> <47E88253.9040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EA908A.2080508@fedoraproject.org> Michael Beckwith wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Ian Weller wrote: >>> Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by >>> people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on >>> how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The >>> (better) stories could be published in a random loop on >>> fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials. >>> >>> The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably >>> ambassadors) the same questions. >>> >>> The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see >>> what everyone else thought. -- ian >> >> I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for >> photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It >> will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to >> see a website with smiling people right? :) > Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users > smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P I was thinking of asking for the submitter's actual photos. Stock photos are... well, stock. And Fedora is not. :) ~m From couf at skynet.be Wed Mar 26 18:29:18 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:29:18 +0100 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <1206554689.4531.192.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260849.45949.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <1206554689.4531.192.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206556158.29453.3.camel@localhost> Op woensdag 26-03-2008 om 11:04 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Karsten 'quaid' Wade: > On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 18:04 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > I think everyone who really know fedora know how RH is helping us, and > > i think it the biggest prize we can give it. > > As an idea that I think is good for Fedora and addresses some of Rahul's > original concern, do we have a "History of Fedora" page? > > If/when we do, a nice timeline diagram that looks all Fedora pretty, we > can link to it from our front page. That way people interested in such > things can find out for themselves without a ton of independent research > or "just knowing". > > - Karsten We have 2 pages, one reflecting the RHL history [1] and the other showing the Fedora history [2]. The latter might need some polishing, or a merge with the former. [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History [2]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dit berichtdeel is digitaal ondertekend URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 20:37:25 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:37:25 -0400 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <47EAB405.80805@fedoraproject.org> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread > prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground > project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a community > powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, upstream to Red > Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might I add*). > > I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. It > may still exist in some people's heads. > > Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, > and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere mortals > on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way more > important then getting the long-term users back on board because they > missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to Fedora, > making Red Hat their Enterprise product. > > Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all this > back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as > contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally > with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. Dell has provided Fedora with some resources so we have their logo up in spots, I think on some of the 404 pages and elsewhere, to give them credit for helping Fedora out. Doesn't Red Hat deserve some kudos for helping Fedora out as well...? ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 20:40:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:40:51 -0400 Subject: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EAB405.80805@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <47EA3755.3000607@kanarip.com> <47EAB405.80805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EAB4D3.1070306@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread >> prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground >> project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a >> community powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, >> upstream to Red Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might >> I add*). >> >> I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. >> It may still exist in some people's heads. >> >> Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, >> and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere >> mortals on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way >> more important then getting the long-term users back on board because >> they missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to >> Fedora, making Red Hat their Enterprise product. >> >> Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all >> this back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as >> contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally >> with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. > > Dell has provided Fedora with some resources so we have their logo up in > spots, I think on some of the 404 pages and elsewhere, to give them > credit for helping Fedora out. > > Doesn't Red Hat deserve some kudos for helping Fedora out as well...? Just to clarify - I don't mean co-branding as putting the Red Hat brand at the same level as the Fedora brand. No way. But listing Red Hat as a sponsor of the project, just as we would list any other sponsor, seems fair and appropriate to me personally. (full disclosure: I do work for Red Hat, but I wouldn't let that influence an opinion like this) ~m From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 26 21:45:21 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:45:21 +0900 Subject: Aaron Yates In-Reply-To: <80ef5880803260846s642c7a3dr7c7d073cc53af2d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <80ef5880803260846s642c7a3dr7c7d073cc53af2d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206567921.2759.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Welcome :) On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 15:46 +0000, Aaron Yates wrote: > Hello to all, > > I'd like to join the Fedora marketing team, and believe I have to > submit a self introduction, of which I have included bellow. > > Aaron Yates > > London, United Kingdom (BST, GMT+1) > > I am currently on my University placement in London with Siren World > Wide Ltd, a professional services company working in On Demand, > Digital Marketing and Telephony. My degree programme is BSc Digital > Art and Technology at the University of Plymouth, Devon, UK. > > As part of the Fedora project I'd ideally like to contribute to > expanding Fedora's user base via different mediums and channels, > whilst improving my knowledge of the OS and the community surrounding > and expanding Fedora. > > I have previous experience in Web development and design across the > typical platforms and mobile devices. Relevant experience pertaining > to this community is 4 years part time work during my schooling for an > Events company, based in the Midlands, UK, for a wide range of > charities, corporate events and weddings. By the end of my time with > this company I was regularly managing groups of up to 30 staff, as > part of a much larger team, to achieve a successful event for both the > client and the teams of staff involved. In my current position on > placement, I am a part of the creative team, but liaise closely with > the accounts department to visit clients to aide in presentations and > pitches. > > Thank you for your time, > > Best regards, > > Aaron Yates > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 26 21:53:39 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:53:39 +0900 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1206432455.3057.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206548741.4531.180.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206568419.2759.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 09:48 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at > California State University, Los Angeles. I'm also an independent web > developer and consultant. I use Fedora 8 in my PC, love it, and would > like to be involved with Fedora Project. I wanted to be active and > promote Fedora by becoming Ambassador and OS Developers. I'm quite new > with Linux kernel development, but I'm a quick learner. I always want > to learn more! > > Thanks, > Grady Laksmono > www.laksmono.com > Hi Grady and Welcome. From invert01 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 22:08:05 2008 From: invert01 at gmail.com (Aaron Yates) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:08:05 +0000 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <80ef5880803261508t1fa00138oe2b0952a13c9662@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks for the kind introduction, Jon - I'd be happy to get involved with any developer interviews! I've had a quick scout of the Marketing Plan and would be keen on getting involved in this, too. It seems a solid framework has been established for it's development and would be a great project to be work on. I'm going to assume the meeting is held in #fedora-mktg? If so, I'll see you there 2000 UTC. 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I'm way behind on sending out notes, agenda, etc., but I'll make all that happen tomorrow. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 22:32:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:32:32 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <1206570752.4531.229.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 22:00 +0100, Robert Scheck wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that > > handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American > > legal system is hostile to open source... > > Please be aware, that ERP/GnuCash etc. != NPO management software. Managing > regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have > mentioned in your mails. > > A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the > "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target > audience - just to name an example. Understood that you've been looking for a while for a workable solution. However, this is the first that most of us have heard about the search, and already you have had some good advice[1]. It also comes out that you don't feel there is expertise or time in the EMEA NPO group to do any needed coding. Perhaps this is a problem that can be solved with help from the larger Fedora community? Before you decide you have to go with a closed-source solution, recommend that you take the problem to the greater Fedora community (via blog posts, mailing lists, IRC, etc.). cheers - Karsten [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00206.html -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Mar 26 23:34:04 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:34:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <1206570752.4531.229.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1206570752.4531.229.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47EADD6C.80105@kanarip.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 22:00 +0100, Robert Scheck wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that >>> handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American >>> legal system is hostile to open source... >> Please be aware, that ERP/GnuCash etc. != NPO management software. Managing >> regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have >> mentioned in your mails. >> >> A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the >> "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target >> audience - just to name an example. > > Understood that you've been looking for a while for a workable solution. Yes, we've scouted Google results, contacted some of the other parties in FOSS, and I've even requested my company to take this one up for a case-study and let new eployees/students, soon-to-be programmers, work on it. That's obviously merely scratching the surface but with the little amount of time that we had between the foundation meeting and the first board meeting (which included official registration), that's actually quite a lot of work in under 3 weeks with each of us having our own day-jobs. Needless to say though you're right; we should take this up within our community and see if anyone has anything we might be able to use. Thomas Canniot already suggested Galette which we'll certainly be looking in to; Others might pop up with a few alternatives and like you suggested, we may need to add some more exposure to our quest for FOSS NPO Accounting Software. We'll most likely do that, because we (or do I need to say "I") will simply not commit to non-FOSS software no matter how much pressure there is, but at this point we will need something (whether it be a spreadsheet or SAP-like POS), and we will need to do it right, right-away. I'd rather do it right with something temporary, then do it wrong with something soon-to-be-sustainable. Thanks for the suggestions[1] ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip [1] Recommended blog post ;-) http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/kanarip/looking-for-npo-accounting-software From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 23:46:37 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:46:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <1206549021.4531.182.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <20080322160012.251D6618C09@hormel.redhat.com> <47E58CA0.6030008@nebtrex.com> <1206377202.3101.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E83638.7040304@tekkie.org> <47E847AB.1080806@fedoraproject.org> <1206549021.4531.182.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> i-am.fedoraproject.org > > We can have that sub-domain resolve to anything we want, such as > news.fedoraproject.org/categories/i-am-fedora-stories. It's useful to > have a catchy sub-domain, and it's a common Fedora practice. +1 -- ian From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 23:47:16 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "your fedora story" idea? In-Reply-To: <47EA908A.2080508@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E846F6.9090303@fedoraproject.org> <47E88253.9040603@gmail.com> <47EA908A.2080508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for >>> photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It >>> will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to >>> see a website with smiling people right? :) > >> Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users >> smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P > > I was thinking of asking for the submitter's actual photos. Stock photos > are... well, stock. And Fedora is not. :) +1000 ;) -- ian From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 15:25:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:25:45 -0400 Subject: Beta Metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1206631545.4736.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:09 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > So last time I ran some metrics against alpha, mostly just numbers. This > time around I'm going to keep better track of them and present them in a > more visual way. > > I'll be adding more and more here as time goes on with more and more > updated stats: > > http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/ > > As always with metrics its important to understand the underlying causes > of things. For example, the isodownloads.png makes it look like the beta > launch went much much better then the alpha launch but the > "publicMirrorList.png" tells a different story. This is likely because of > what we linked too from the release announcement. The Alpha announcement > talked about download.fedoraproject.org direclty which bypassed our > ability to log iso hits in the same way. So just to make sure we know for next time -- it's better for our statistical tracking to direct things to fedoraproject.org/get-fedora or some other such 'vanilla' fp.o page, correct? If that's preferable, we just need to make sure users can find what they need easily from their landing point there. Right now, it's pretty good but there are always chances for improvements. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 15:33:21 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:33:21 -0400 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> Message-ID: <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Evening all, > > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: > > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? > > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what > press.redhat.com is. Agreed, and it doesn't ever hurt to reaggregate stuff either. > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). One thing I would like to see, and which I mentioned to Seth Vidal at FUDCon in Raleigh in January, was a way for us to offer blogs as a service to our account holders. The HTTPS work that Frank has done was probably a key action in making that possible, but I'm not sure exactly how close that gets us. It wouldn't be too hard for us to act as an OpenID provider for our account holders either, which is another nice way of advertising and pushing open standards. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 15:35:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:35:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Beta Preview In-Reply-To: <1206499382.4531.141.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47E9924B.3040603@fedoraproject.org> <1206499382.4531.141.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206632125.4736.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 19:43 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 05:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > "X Server 1.4.1 still hasn't yet been released for X.Org 7.3, but Red > > Hat's Adam Jackson is doing a splendid job with the X.Org 7.4 release > > management and seeing that the final version will be ready to ship with > > Fedora 9. X.Org 7.4 / X Server 1.5 contains new input hot-plugging > > capabilities, the porting of drivers to using the new PCI setup > > infrastructure (pciaccess), DRI2, and the start of kernel-based > > mode-setting. The only X.Org video driver that looks like it will be > > ready to ship with kernel-based mode-setting for Fedora 9 is the > > xf86-video-intel driver." > > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora9_beta&num=1 > > Good review, but this is a bit inaccurate: > > "... Red Hat has pushed out the beta release of Fedora 9 > (codenamed Sulphur) with many more features implemented and > ready to be tested." > > At least, "Red Hat and the Fedora community have ..." would be more > accurate. But since Red Hat is just a (really big) contributor to > Fedora, saying Fedora community would be 100% accurate. John Fontana at NetworkWorld, to whom I spoke yesterday, got it right: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/032608-fedora.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 15:40:48 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MEETING TODAY: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT Message-ID: So first, a mea culpa: I didn't capture the minutes effectively from last week's meeting. I had to leave the meeting to go do something else, and I never got back to capturing our minutes. My apologies. We'll do better this week, I promise. Note: this meeting is at 1900 UTC, not 2000 UTC. I have changed the time on the meetings page. The agenda is taken, as always, from our open task list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks The big things I want to be sure to cover: * Marketing Plan, Key Marketing Messages. Currently owned by the very busy Max Spevack. We *really* need to nail these down as the date for F9 continues to approach, since all of our other activities depend on having this messaging solid. * Marketing Plan, Strategies and Tactics. Last week we tried to turn our list of "stuff we should do" into "stuff we WILL do", with mixed success. This week, we will have a lot more success. :) By the end of today's meeting, we will have at least a partial list of marketing activities to focus on for F9 release, with some owners and dates attached. This is the list we will review every week until F9 is out the door, and a good bit after. This meeting may run longer than an hour, for those who have the stamina. I myself have reserved 90 minutes. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From joadams at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 15:44:00 2008 From: joadams at redhat.com (John Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:44:00 -0400 Subject: MEETING TODAY: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EBC0C0.5060001@redhat.com> FYI -- I have secured both Kerri Catallozzi and Kara Schiltz from the Red Hat Corporate Communications / PR team to participate in the meeting, specifically to help with the "strategies and tactics" agenda item. They will participate on the IRC chat. Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So first, a mea culpa: I didn't capture the minutes effectively from > last week's meeting. I had to leave the meeting to go do something > else, and I never got back to capturing our minutes. My apologies. > We'll do better this week, I promise. > > Note: this meeting is at 1900 UTC, not 2000 UTC. I have changed the > time on the meetings page. > > The agenda is taken, as always, from our open task list: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > The big things I want to be sure to cover: > > * Marketing Plan, Key Marketing Messages. Currently owned by the very > busy Max Spevack. We *really* need to nail these down as the date for > F9 continues to approach, since all of our other activities depend on > having this messaging solid. > > * Marketing Plan, Strategies and Tactics. Last week we tried to turn > our list of "stuff we should do" into "stuff we WILL do", with mixed > success. This week, we will have a lot more success. :) > > By the end of today's meeting, we will have at least a partial list of > marketing activities to focus on for F9 release, with some owners and > dates attached. This is the list we will review every week until F9 is > out the door, and a good bit after. > > This meeting may run longer than an hour, for those who have the > stamina. I myself have reserved 90 minutes. > > --g > -- John Q. Adams Brand Manager | Red Hat Brand Communications + Design 919.754.4471 joadams at redhat.com From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 17:00:00 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: MEETING TODAY: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EBD290.5010002@gmail.com> I'll be around and able to stay the whole time this week, as my $nightjob schedule gave me today off Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So first, a mea culpa: I didn't capture the minutes effectively from > last week's meeting. I had to leave the meeting to go do something > else, and I never got back to capturing our minutes. My apologies. > We'll do better this week, I promise. > > Note: this meeting is at 1900 UTC, not 2000 UTC. I have changed the > time on the meetings page. > > The agenda is taken, as always, from our open task list: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > The big things I want to be sure to cover: > > * Marketing Plan, Key Marketing Messages. Currently owned by the very > busy Max Spevack. We *really* need to nail these down as the date for > F9 continues to approach, since all of our other activities depend on > having this messaging solid. > > * Marketing Plan, Strategies and Tactics. Last week we tried to turn > our list of "stuff we should do" into "stuff we WILL do", with mixed > success. This week, we will have a lot more success. :) > > By the end of today's meeting, we will have at least a partial list of > marketing activities to focus on for F9 release, with some owners and > dates attached. This is the list we will review every week until F9 > is out the door, and a good bit after. > > This meeting may run longer than an hour, for those who have the > stamina. I myself have reserved 90 minutes. > > --g > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 17:54:50 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:54:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Beta Metrics In-Reply-To: <1206631545.4736.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206631545.4736.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:09 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > So last time I ran some metrics against alpha, mostly just numbers. This > > time around I'm going to keep better track of them and present them in a > > more visual way. > > > > I'll be adding more and more here as time goes on with more and more > > updated stats: > > > > http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/ > > > > As always with metrics its important to understand the underlying causes > > of things. For example, the isodownloads.png makes it look like the beta > > launch went much much better then the alpha launch but the > > "publicMirrorList.png" tells a different story. This is likely because of > > what we linked too from the release announcement. The Alpha announcement > > talked about download.fedoraproject.org direclty which bypassed our > > ability to log iso hits in the same way. > > So just to make sure we know for next time -- it's better for our > statistical tracking to direct things to fedoraproject.org/get-fedora or > some other such 'vanilla' fp.o page, correct? If that's preferable, we > just need to make sure users can find what they need easily from their > landing point there. Right now, it's pretty good but there are always > chances for improvements. > Correct, the way we have things setup fp.o/ (nonwiki) pages are, by far, our most resiliant pages. If I get the german colo built out properly by the end of april its possible for us to lose two sites (not two servers, but entire colos) and we'd still be able to get the message out. -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 18:54:49 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Key Marketing Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > * Marketing Plan, Key Marketing Messages. Currently owned by the very > busy Max Spevack. We *really* need to nail these down as the date for > F9 continues to approach, since all of our other activities depend on > having this messaging solid. Well, let me start right here: Overall, we are trying to talk about Fedora from the following four points of view: Folks Freedom Features First So, the question I ask myself is this: "in the Fedora 9 cycle, what good stories can we tell in each of these categories?" Here's some stuff off the top of my head (and keeping in mind that some things can fit into multiple buckets): Folks: Jon Stanley and the re-lanuch of BugZappers. The Art Team and their (once again) brilliant work for F9. Features: Package Kit Live USB persistence KDE 4 Encrypted filesystems *tons of stuff* First: What from the "features" list was Red Hat or Fedora the upstream of? Where have we created features that are being used cross-distro but it is recognized that Fedora or Red Hat is the upstream innovator? If we can take information that appears on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary and build it out in a way that can fit into these buckets, perhaps in the ReleaseSummary, then I think we go a long way to having our "general" messaging points with "Fedora 9 specific" details. --Max From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 19:31:16 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:31:16 -0400 Subject: MEETING TODAY: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT In-Reply-To: <47EBD290.5010002@gmail.com> References: <47EBD290.5010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803271231j353b98f6t3373b74c4bb066e3@mail.gmail.com> My apologies... I have wireless internet access, but am stuck behind a transparent proxy with no connection to IRC. If someone sends me the IRC log, I can post it later. Best Regards, John Babich FAmSCo Member From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 20:30:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:30:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Themes brainstorming Message-ID: <1206649820.4736.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> One of the (cool) tasks that fell out of today's Fedora Marketing meeting on IRC was gathering some stories to go along with the Fedora themes of the 4 F's (Freedom, Features, First, and Folks). Those themes, by the way, are recorded in our Marketing Plan[1]. I started a page ?to record these ideas: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories Please stop by and add some of the messages you think are important for Fedora to tell as we push to Fedora 9. I would like to hold a brainstorming session for this directly before the Fedora Marketing meeting next week. Assuming that we meet next week on Thursday, April 3 at 1900 UTC (3:00pm EDT/12:00pm PDT), I would like to hold the brainstorming session at 1800 UTC (2:00pm EDT/11:00am PDT). = = = = = [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan#CoreBrandEssence -- Paul W. 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Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:30:19 -0400 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206653419.4736.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 16:59 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > project > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've > attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just > suggestions and starting points for conversation. > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a week > and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > project. "Turbine" and "Shepherd" both appeal to me immediately. Unfortunately, "Turbine" is a social gaming community company, so the latter may garner my vote for now. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Mar 27 22:05:26 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:05:26 +0900 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206655527.2836.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 16:59 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > project > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html) > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming > (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html), > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've > attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just > suggestions and starting points for conversation. > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a week > and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > project. > > Thanks, > > Bryan I like REM Cycle or the Fedora Dream Project Fedora Group Intelligence sounds sophisticated while I like it as well people might think they have nothing to offer. Also Turbine as well is good for me. Cheers, Marc From gdk at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 22:08:57 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora marketing meeting minutes Message-ID: Hello all. A useful meeting today yielded some new work items: * Metrics for marketing purposes. On Kerri's advice, we're going to be trolling through all of our various metrics to find compelling numbers for the press. Users, contributors, growth rate in various projects, whatever we can find to make Fedora's growth as compelling a story as possible. Since Max is already wrangling lots of metrics data, he will take the lead on this. If you have any questions or advice, let him know. * Examples of successes of the 4 Fs. In Fedora, we care about four things: Freedom, Features, Folks, and being First. We need some concrete examples of how these 4 Fs make Fedora 9 a huge success. In particular, Maureen Duffy suggested redoubling our efforts on interviews that are also demos; the idea is to have some Fedora stars actually give demoes of their favorite features. Paul Frields will be leading a separate discussion sometime this week; read his email to the list. * Francesco Ugolini will be giving us an overview of Ambassador activities in support of the F9 release, pending some other business that FAMSCO is wrapping up this week. The marketing plan is basically good "as is" right now -- it's not perfect, but it gives us enough information to continue to drive tactical work for the F9 release. See you all next week: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT, #fedora-mktg, irc.freenode.net. Thanks for the continued hard work of those who continue to show up every week for long meetings. :) --g (p.s. does someone have an IRC log to post?) -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu Mar 27 22:15:39 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:15:39 -0700 Subject: MEETING TODAY: 1900 UTC / 3pm EDT In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803271231j353b98f6t3373b74c4bb066e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EBD290.5010002@gmail.com> <9d2c731f0803271231j353b98f6t3373b74c4bb066e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I couldn't come to the meeting due to the college network that blocks all of the port. Grady On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM, John Babich wrote: > My apologies... > > I have wireless internet access, but am stuck behind a transparent > proxy with no connection to IRC. > > If someone sends me the IRC log, I can post it later. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > FAmSCo Member > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 22:19:07 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:19:07 -0700 Subject: SSS stewarding Message-ID: <1206656347.30372.57.camel@calliope.phig.org> 11:54 < stickster> This is what we get for not pruning as we go for so long. 11:54 < gregdek> Well, considering that this is clearly already being handled by the docs team, maybe we just kill this work item altogether. 11:54 < stickster> i.e. lots of work all at once to accomplish painful but important goal :-) 11:54 < stickster> gregdek: I think that makes sense. 11:54 < stickster> Or at least reference it and make it clearly a Docs task Sure, there is some clear ownership of this page in a technical sense -- how it is constructed, the wiki nature, process rules, etc. The *content* within this structure is another matter: * Some comes from something that is like a Beat Summary, a short few paragraphs for each beat or beat area that can be reused in release notes and press kits. * Some is pure Marketing owned -- the Project Overview, for example, that talks about mission, governorship, etc. * Technical content and quality assurance comes through Docs, from various parts of the project (including writers within Docs itself) In order to get something concreted on the Marketing tasks, we'll need to suss out the structure a bit more, I reckon. Paul has kindly agreed to help, since he and I sort-of have the only brain between us that understands how this all might work. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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GDM - William Jon McCann (ConsoleKit developer and maintainer who has worked on gnome-screensaver, rhythmbox etc) is leading upstream rewrite. X - Adam Jackson is upstream release engineer for the new release and has done a lot of related work. FreeIPA - Red Hat's project. Refer http://freeipa.org Virtualization - Tons of work including a port of Xen on para virt ops and policy kit integration from Red Hat virtualization team Jidgo integration - Jeroen Van Meeuwen is leading integration Ext4 - Eric Sandeen who is the lead for Ext4 integration within Fedora is also a upstream contributor Firefox 3 - Christopher Aillon is one of the Linux release engineers for Firefox. K12Linux - Warren Togami is working with upstream GCC 4.3 - Red Hat has extensive contributions. Jakub Jelinek leading Fedora integration is one of the upstream developers. Live CD persistence - Douglas McClendor (dmc) did a lot of the work as a volunteer community member. Jeremy Katz has done the integration and minor changes. Bluetooth - Bastien Nocera has done a lot of the upstream work Clock Applet - Feature from SLED but IIUC Matthias Clasen is driving upstream integration Anaconda - Lot of work including filesystem encryption, partition resizing - Anaconda team If you want to highlight Fedora community efforts primarily that would include dmc's work on live cd persistence, jidgo integration, KDE SIG team work on KDE 4, upstart integration. I might have missed out certain things. Feel free to add your favorite contribution/contributors here. Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Thu Mar 27 22:49:59 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:49:59 +0100 Subject: Key Marketing Messages In-Reply-To: <47EC22CF.2070904@fedoraproject.org> References: <47EC22CF.2070904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47EC2497.5060900@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > >> >> First: >> What from the "features" list was Red Hat or Fedora the upstream >> of? Where have we created features that are being used cross-distro >> but it is recognized that Fedora or Red Hat is the upstream innovator? > > PackageKit - Red Hat has a number of developers who have contributed > extensively. Richard Hughes (PackageKit, GNOME Power Manager primary > developer) is now a Red Hat employee > > GVFS - GNOME VFS replacement was primarily done by Alexander Larsson who > is also the primary maintainer of Nautilus. > [... snip ...] > If you want to highlight Fedora community efforts primarily that would > include dmc's work on live cd persistence, jidgo integration, KDE SIG > team work on KDE 4, upstart integration. > > I might have missed out certain things. Feel free to add your favorite > contribution/contributors here. > > Rahul > Don't forget the huge take-off spins have had, some if not most of which are being developed and maintained by the community. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From linux at elfshadow.net Fri Mar 28 01:08:54 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:08:54 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-03-27 IRC log Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803271808w40c6624u59f3655e960273d4@mail.gmail.com> 15:01 < gregdek> OK, it's 1900 GMT / 3PM EDT by my watch, so let's get started. 15:01 < gregdek> I see we have our two Redhatters aboard... welcome. :) 15:01 < gregdek> Can we get a quick roll call? 15:01 < kushal> KushalDas 15:01 * gregdek is here 15:01 < spevack> Max 15:01 < stickster> Paul 15:01 < joadams> john 15:01 < tw2113> Michael Beckwith 15:01 < kcatallo> Hi, this is Kerri from the RH pr team 15:01 < gregdek> Hi Kerri. :) 15:01 < kschiltz> Kara - from the RH pr team 15:01 * stickster waves too 15:01 < Sparks> EricChristensen 15:01 < gregdek> Ki Kara. :) 15:01 < yates> Aaron Yates 15:02 < tw2113> :O girls 15:02 < gregdek> Easy there, killer. 15:02 < stickster> tw2113: That would be part of the "common courtesy" thing. 15:02 < tw2113> :P 15:02 < gregdek> All right -- this looks like quorum to me. 15:02 < tw2113> sorry 15:03 < stickster> ;-) 15:03 < gregdek> So lemme direct everyone's attention to our Task List / Agenda: 15:03 < gregdek> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks 15:03 < gregdek> I've taken the liberty of rearranging it a bit and giving priorities to tasks. 15:04 -!- JonRob [n=jon at 88-109-145-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:04 < gregdek> So we've got a handful of Priority 1 tasks on deck, so I'd like to handle those. 15:04 < gregdek> JonRob! 15:04 < JonRob> hey, sorry once again for being late! i'm so dopey these days :S 15:04 < gregdek> Dude, three minutes is forgivable. ;) 15:04 < gregdek> And once again, your timing is perfect. 15:04 < JonRob> heh 15:04 < gregdek> So. 15:04 < rharrison> heck at my company 3 min would be early 15:04 < gregdek> * Key Marketing Messages. 15:05 < gregdek> This is Max's baby, and he sent an email to the list just now... 15:05 < gregdek> spevack: Care to elaborate? 15:05 < spevack> sure 15:05 < spevack> well, i started with what we decided in the Marketing Meeting at FUDCon 15:05 < spevack> which was that from a media/storytelling perspective 15:05 < spevack> we wanted to focus activities that happen in Fedora in one or more of 4 buckets 15:05 < spevack> Freedom 15:05 < spevack> Features 15:05 < spevack> First 15:05 < spevack> Folks 15:06 < spevack> The idea would be that we can "tag" any activity or project or achievement with one of more of these 15:06 < spevack> and then depending on who we are talking to, it is easy to cite examples from Fedora's history 15:06 < spevack> If we talk to a press person who is very technical, we think about Features and First. 15:06 < JonRob> that sounds a cool approach actually, especially thinking about news.fp.o :) 15:06 < spevack> if it's someone who wants personal community stories, then we go with Folks. 15:06 < spevack> comments? 15:06 < spevack> etc. 15:07 < rharrison> Oh, good point those could be the categories for each post. 15:07 < joadams> we'd probably want some boilerplate language or wording to frame the story around the F's, just for consistency ... I would think 15:07 * gregdek will take the action item to get these points into the master Marketing Plan document itself. 15:08 < JonRob> yep...i think it sounds good, although maybe we need to spend some time thinking about the categories? 15:08 < gregdek> Which is where that "consistent language" could live. 15:08 < JonRob> not necessarily now, but at some point 15:08 < stickster> Beyond that, the SingleSourceSummary content could be dragged into a couple different container pages, one organized by audience (users, developers, admins...), another by Features/Freedom/First/Folks... 15:08 < gregdek> +1 for At Some Point. 15:08 < gregdek> stickster: Doesn't it then become a MultipleSourceSummary? 15:08 < spevack> JonRob: those 4 were the "F words" that we came up with in a 30 min meeting at FUDCon with about 10 people. It's just a thought experiment, and definitely open for tweaking. 15:08 < stickster> gregdek: No, single source and then aggregated on the wiki in different places 15:08 < spevack> but I do like the "F words" 15:08 < gregdek> Hee hee! F words. 15:09 < gregdek> But yeah, I think that right now... 15:09 < stickster> In Fedora, F words are good. 15:09 < spevack> as long as we don't end up with a category called "Fail" 15:09 < gregdek> ...we're definitely in "get a good first cut of everything" and then "use that first cut to define action p lan for F9" and then "reevaluate everything after F9 and see how it went". 15:09 < yates> +1 15:09 < JonRob> spevack: sure no problem, and +1 on the no "fail"! 15:10 < gregdek> OK, so we like Max's stuff "well enough" to go with it for now? No major objections at this point? 15:10 < kushal> yes 15:10 < yates> yep 15:11 < tw2113> well enough for me 15:11 -!- herlo [n=clints at 166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:11 < stickster> +1 15:11 < JonRob> +1 15:11 < gregdek> Okey doke. 15:11 < gregdek> Moving on: 15:12 < gregdek> * Strategies and Tactics. 15:12 < gregdek> So. To be clear: 15:12 < rharrison> btw, gregdek your SingleSourceSummary link is gbroken 15:12 < gregdek> rharrison: Oh... crap. 15:12 < gregdek> Can someone go twiddle that? 15:12 < gregdek> I've given up the edit lock... 15:12 < stickster> Fixed 15:12 < gregdek> Danke. 15:12 < gregdek> Anyway. Strategies and Tactics. 15:12 < kushal> everyone speaks german 15:12 < gregdek> The goal here is to (a) make sure we've got lots of good stuff captured in the Plan... 15:13 < gregdek> ...and (b) we've got action items for executing on all those good ideas. 15:13 < gregdek> So for the first little while, I'd like to review what we've got in Strategies and Tactics on the plan document. Fair? 15:13 < JonRob> go for it :) 15:14 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:14 < gregdek> To remind everyone: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan 15:15 < stickster> yup 15:15 < gregdek> I'm currently looking at the "Promotion" section -- seems like a good place to generate some action items. :) 15:15 < gregdek> We already got Ambassadors broken out, and Francesco owns that, so we'll check in on him later. 15:16 < gregdek> Fedora Weekly News... 15:16 < gregdek> ...seems like we've already got that well covered for a long time now. 15:16 < joadams> promotion is where i really saw the pr team being able to add some real value 15:16 < gregdek> Then let's go there. 15:16 < joadams> specifically on tactics 15:17 < gregdek> We've got: 15:17 < joadams> i had forwarded kara and kerri the link to the plan 15:17 < gregdek> * Publications; 15:17 < joadams> hoping it would generate some thought starters 15:17 < gregdek> Well... seems like "Publications" might be the best place to spend some thought energy. 15:17 < gregdek> Actually... 15:17 < gregdek> ...maybe we should just ask. :) 15:18 < kcatallo> Just to clarify on roles so everyone is on the same page, I generally handling the writing (press releases, blogs) and Kara will handle outreach to pitch the Fedora stories 15:18 < gregdek> kschiltz, kcatallo: What should we be thinking about in terms of getting as much pub as possible? 15:19 < joadams> maybe some best practices with proven hit rates for rh 15:19 < joadams> ? 15:19 < kcatallo> In terms of press releases and blogs, what is catchiest for the press is usually including some kind of impress #s (if available, of course!), a way to separate Fedora from others -- what it does better than everyone else, and putting real ppl behind it 15:20 < gregdek> That would likely be number of active contributors. 15:20 * quaid drops in 15:20 < rharrison> yeah, numbers like that would be really interesting 15:20 < gregdek> Max tells me we've got almost 2000 people who have signed the CLA at this point. 15:20 < gregdek> Now, I don't know how we could use those numbers as a comparison... 15:20 < kcatallo> for an example, for F8, the headline of the press release was, "Community Welcomes Fedora 8 With Strong Download Numbers" 15:21 < gregdek> spevack: Do we have good numbers for F9 Beta yet? 15:21 < spevack> mmcgrath posted something yesterday 15:21 < stickster> gregdek: McGrath has hit numbers gathering 15:21 < rharrison> We don't have to use them as a comparison gregdek, people just seem to be fascinated by them in general 15:21 * gregdek waits for linky. :) 15:21 < spevack> http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/ 15:21 < stickster> gregdek: Torrent numbers at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org:6969/ 15:22 < spevack> I haven't really parsed this stuff yet. 15:22 < gregdek> Hundreds of downloads of F9 Beta via torrent! Meh. 15:22 < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/maps/mirrorlist/rawhide.all.png 15:23 < spevack> that map has 12,000 entries 15:23 < spevack> in a 1 week window 15:23 < gregdek> That's pretty cool. 15:23 < gregdek> What does that 12k represent? 15:23 < gregdek> People who have used yum on rawhide? 15:23 < kcatallo> another way to approach using impressive numbers is to show growth...you can always use % growth rather than the raw numbers 15:23 < spevack> i think that's unique hits to the rawhide repo looking for updates in the last week. 15:24 < gregdek> I would love to use contributor growth here... but I don't know if we've timesliced it properly. 15:24 < gregdek> Is there any way we can get FAS data broken down by date of signing CLA? 15:24 < spevack> you're going to want to ask toshio all of these questions. Let me try to drag him in here. 15:25 * gregdek waits for toshio to show up. 15:25 < gregdek> With peaches. 15:25 * spevack pinged him in fedora-devel and asked him to join 15:25 * jds2001 comes in late and sits in the back 15:25 -!- abadger1999 [n=abadger1 at 65.78.187.68] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:25 < spevack> hey toshio -- we're talking about how we can further parse the CLA data in the FAS. We can see how many total accounts there are that have signed. Can we time-slice that at all? 15:25 < quaid> *bamf* 15:26 < rharrison> Do we have the log data back far enough to show that map lighting up just after the beta announcement? 15:26 < spevack> for instance, if we wanted to see how many people reached cla_done during the F9 release cycle? 15:26 < abadger1999> That should be doable. 15:27 < quaid> all the way back to the beginning? 15:27 < rharrison> I think that would grab some peoples imagination. 15:27 < gregdek> Please... please... 15:27 < gregdek> PLEASE get that data. :) 15:27 < abadger1999> If it's all correct back to the beginning. 15:27 * gregdek notes there are other metrics like "mailing list activity" that he is working on... 15:27 < abadger1999> We do have the fields in the db all the way back. 15:27 < spevack> how lucky! 15:28 < gregdek> Or maybe just good planning. :) 15:28 < gregdek> OK, so I smell an action item. 15:28 < abadger1999> Would you want raw data? (date approved in cla_done) 15:28 < gregdek> * Gathering metrics for marketing purposes. 15:28 < gregdek> And I'm assigning that to... Max Spevack! :) 15:29 < spevack> gregdek: I accept your commission, and am happy to work with toshio a bit. I've been unofficially gathering a variety of stuff, and i'm happy to formalize it 15:29 < JonRob> ah, max you're a lucky fellow! 15:29 < spevack> i annoy toshio with random requests like this all the time ;) 15:29 < gregdek> spevack: See, I could *sense* that. 15:29 < gregdek> All right. 15:29 < kcatallo> Max, definitely send those #s our way once you have them and we can find some good ways to publicize 15:30 < gregdek> There will be a brief pause as I update the task list. Talk amongst yourselves. 15:30 < spevack> gregdek lies... he's just sitting here next to me and can hear everything i say and then pretend he read my mind 15:30 < spevack> kcatallo: of course 15:30 * spevack scurries off to a 3:30 phone call 15:30 < JonRob> is it worth-while us contacting various press people and letting them know where they can find out information about the fedoraproject, and introducing ourselves as possible contacts? 15:30 < rharrison> spevack, if you need help generating maps etc. I'd be willing to lend a hand. If for no other reason than to learn how its done. ;-) 15:31 < JonRob> nb: by "us" i don't necessarily mean all of us here as a big hoard! 15:31 < stickster> rharrison: You can probably get some of that info from spoleeba, who's worked on the stuff already available 15:31 < stickster> If you want to get a leg up for whatever reason :-) 15:31 < gregdek> OK, done with that. (And props to the folks who have sped the wiki up, heh.) 15:31 < rharrison> well to generate maps all the way back to the beginning does sound like there would be some work involved 15:32 < rharrison> figured I'd help out with my learning... 15:32 < gregdek> So. Max is Numbers King. 15:32 < gregdek> kcatallo: What other sorts of stuff should we be looking to do? 15:32 -!- simosx [n=simosx at unaffiliated/simosx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:33 < kcatallo> I think it's important that we find some good themes (the "F" words, perhaps) to keep up with 15:33 < kcatallo> When you keep news under some kind of umbrella theme, it helps bring everything together 15:33 < gregdek> So can we assume that those "F" words are the key themes? 15:33 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at 81.210.223.234] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:34 < joadams> [apologies ... have to jump off to catch a flight] 15:34 < quaid> +1 to those F words 15:34 -!- joadams [n=joadams at nat/redhat/x-a6ce016096f7fc03] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:34 < gregdek> joadams has a plane to catch. :) 15:34 -!- TitaX [n=titax at fedora/TitaX] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:34 < TitaX> lut 15:34 < kcatallo> So, using those themes, we should come up what types of things we want to emphasize under each theme 15:35 < gregdek> Are we looking for one or two key stories to tell? 15:35 -!- sereinity [n=sereinit at mon69-3-82-235-39-70.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:35 < gregdek> Reminding folks what they are: Freedom Features First Folks. 15:35 -!- fugolini [n=francesc at host86-200-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #fedora-mktg 15:35 < kcatallo> Yes, one or two key stories that weave in those Fs would be ideal 15:36 < fugolini> hi, sorry but i just arrived a t home 15:36 < gregdek> stickster: I know you and Max have been talking about some of this, right? 15:36 < gregdek> Hi fugolini. Sorry I moved the meeting on you. :) 15:36 < stickster> gregdek: Might be helpful to define "stories" generically for people here not familiar with press routines 15:36 < jds2001> i think we have a great story to tell about features this release. 15:36 < mizmo> i love the themes 15:36 < stickster> Like, not always anecdotal 15:36 < mizmo> the four fs 15:36 < gregdek> stickster: Maybe you can help. :) 15:36 < rharrison> So can we start with Firsts for F9 and maybe see if we could get some Folks ideas on the people that work ed on those firsts? 15:36 < jds2001> which ties into freedeom and folks of course 15:37 < rharrison> or features really 15:37 < stickster> Max and I were just talking about key Features earlier this week 15:38 < stickster> On the enterprise side, for example, you've got FreeIPA 15:38 < stickster> On the distinctly user side, you've got Live USB improvements w/persistence 15:38 < rharrison> And FreeIPA is one that needs some serious explaining, people don't seem to be getting it. 15:39 < kcatallo> I think we need to make a clear distinction on the two different kinds of 'firsts' we can have with the features 15:39 < rharrison> whoa, persistence, really? 15:39 < rharrison> I missed that. 15:39 < kcatallo> one is that this is the first time anyone in the community has done it 15:39 * quaid straps on his parachute 15:39 < kcatallo> and the other is this is the first time Fedora has done it 15:39 < gregdek> Does that mean quaid is bailing? 15:39 < quaid> I'm about to bail to go pick up a load of girls with bikes and scooters 15:40 < quaid> gregdek: yeh, sorry, awkward time; 15:40 < quaid> can I do anything with my continued presence? 15:40 < yates> are we marketing Fedora to expand the user base or the community? 15:40 < gregdek> quaid: Go get your brood. :) 15:40 < rharrison> kcatallo, those are important distinctions 15:40 < quaid> ok 15:40 < gregdek> yates: I would say both, but the key to both is awareness. 15:40 < rharrison> its one that our Ubuntu friends aren't doing such a good job at. 15:41 < stickster> yates: q.v. "Target Audience" in the marketing plan 15:41 < quaid> keep your eye out for Fedora grid naming discussion on f-marketing-l 15:41 < gregdek> OK, so... 15:41 * quaid opens the aft door, gives the thumbs up, and bails out 15:41 < gregdek> ...how do we pull this together into actionable work for an individual to be responsible for? 15:42 < gregdek> :) 15:42 * stickster thinks 15:42 < kcatallo> Maybe we could have one or multiple ppl take on the four Fs and come up with the main things that distinguish Fedora under each of those themes and we can work from there? 15:43 < gregdek> In the specific context of F9? 15:43 * gregdek hrms. 15:43 < kcatallo> maybe we do two: one specifically for F9 and one generally that we can use all the time? 15:43 < stickster> Dividing up by the 4F's is dicey because there's quite a bit of crossover when you look at some of our targets 15:44 < gregdek> stickster: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. 15:44 < yates> do we have a list of the mediums we will be marketing through and how each targets specific demographics/markets to increase awareness? Which the key stories based on the F words would be distributed through? 15:44 < rharrison> So I assume we'll want a "Best Practices" for writing up marketing stuff (Part of the Marketing Plan?) wo uldn't we just need a paragraph or in the "Firsts" highlighting that distinction? 15:44 < gregdek> yates: I think that's next. 15:44 < mizmo> what are the artifacts you get out of the 4F process 15:44 < mizmo> a web page? 15:44 < mizmo> a flyer? 15:44 < mizmo> a press release? 15:44 < gregdek> Yeah. 15:44 < gregdek> I wonder if maybe we shouldn't be thinking about those artifacts first. 15:44 < gregdek> I mean, the 4 Fs are pretty intuitive. 15:45 < yates> sorry, I was getting a little a head of myself there 15:45 < rharrison> mizmo, I was thinking that we needed a MarketingMaterials page for each release. Starting out with just the headings you mentioned so people would know what we had and what we were lacking. 15:45 < gregdek> And I think we have done some explanation of those 4 Fs in the Plan, but we can tighten that up, and I know Max will work on that. 15:45 -!- neugens [n=neugens at 212.126.219.82] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:45 < gregdek> But for F9, we're looking for *examples of the successes of the 4 Fs*, I think. 15:46 < gregdek> How have the 4 Fs made F9 better? 15:46 < stickster> gregdek: i.e. Folks + First (for Fedora) = easier CLA process 15:46 < gregdek> stickster: Exactly. 15:46 < gregdek> We need a ton of examples like that. 15:46 < gregdek> So I'm feeling a work item coalesce: 15:46 < gregdek> * Examples of the 4Fs success in F9 timeframe. 15:46 < gregdek> Who can own this? 15:47 < mizmo> Freedom + Folks = openly developed and openly licensed FOSS-created artwork 15:47 < gregdek> This may be a whole separate Idea Generation session. 15:47 < mizmo> yeh 15:47 < stickster> gregdek: I think so. 15:47 < mizmo> i would say, have a session 15:47 < mizmo> and have someone accountable for keeping track of everything generated 15:47 < gregdek> OK. Is anyone itching to own this one? 15:47 * JonRob must run 15:47 < gregdek> LOL! 15:47 < gregdek> COWARD! :) 15:47 * JonRob notes, not running away from ownership!! lol 15:47 * stickster will take the itch. 15:47 < JonRob> bad timing 15:48 < gregdek> stickster: Don't let me talk you into anything, Fedora Project Leader. :) 15:48 < JonRob> i'll catch up with things later, if there's anything anybody else won't take, put me on it :) 15:48 < stickster> Wiki ho! 15:48 < gregdek> OK. 15:48 < mizmo> who u callin a wiki ho 15:48 < jds2001> Fearless Project Leader :) 15:48 < mizmo> :-D 15:48 < gregdek> There will be another pause while gregdek, wiki ho, updates the wiki. 15:48 < jds2001> lol 15:48 -!- JonRob [n=jon at 88-109-145-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #fedora-mktg [] 15:48 -!- Karlik|nb [n=Karlik at fedora/Karlik] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:49 < gregdek> stickster: How long before we can have an update? Is next week too soon? 15:49 < stickster> Nope, not too soon. 15:49 < gregdek> OK. 15:50 < gregdek> Nicely nicely. 15:50 < gregdek> What else? 15:50 < gregdek> Should we be talking about publications? 15:50 < gregdek> i.e. who we're going to target? 15:51 < gregdek> Or promotional materials of various kinds? 15:51 < gregdek> kcatallo: Any sage advice? 15:51 < kcatallo> I think what's very important to consider in terms of audience/pubs is the comms medium you use to reach them 15:52 < gregdek> Yeah. 15:52 < kcatallo> there can be any combo of press releases, press blogs, personal blogs, story pitching, etc. 15:52 < fugolini> +1 15:52 < gregdek> Well, there are *always* personal blogs. We do pretty well at that. 15:52 < gregdek> Actually, really well. 15:53 < stickster> Although we need to improve the consistent use of "Fedora" to talk about ourselves. 15:53 < gregdek> I mean, there are some obvious places for us to chase. 15:53 < mizmo> the interviews seem to be really popular 15:53 < gregdek> mizmo: Which ones? 15:53 < yates> can we get something in the limelight? For instance that spoof Ruby v Java series that landed on YouTube 15:53 < gregdek> The interviews with individual contributors like JonRob does? 15:53 < mizmo> gregdek, the ones jonrob did yeh 15:54 < stickster> And we know that Jack's story with NASA was a big hit. 15:54 < gregdek> yates: Depends on how creative the people who make it are. :) 15:54 < mizmo> gregdek, i mean, even my little brother read them and he is very mainstream in his reading choices 15:54 < gregdek> mizmo: Really? Wow. 15:54 < gregdek> So should we be doing more of those? 15:54 < mizmo> he found them on digg 15:54 < gregdek> Wow! 15:54 < mizmo> i think so 15:55 < gregdek> Well, that's really awesome for the Folks angle. 15:55 < mizmo> i think the thing that is different about an interview is its an actual person 15:55 < yates> gregdek: true! viral campaigns are great for building awareness via the interwebs these days though 15:55 < mizmo> it's not some complicated technical thing, it's a real conversation, easy to read too 15:55 < gregdek> yates: are you or people you know up to that kind of challenge? :) 15:55 < gregdek> mizmo: that implies that either (a) jonrob needs to work triple time, or (b) we need to look hard for more jonrobs. 15:56 < mizmo> gregdek, yep 15:56 < yates> gregdek: let me do some shout outs, I should have a definite response by the next meeting 15:56 < mizmo> what would be really sweet is videos on you tube 15:56 < gregdek> Sigh. 15:56 < stickster> gregdek: Easy... 15:56 < mizmo> sorry :( its true tho 15:56 < tw2113> there are a lot of youtube videos with linux 15:56 < mizmo> especially if youre going for viral 15:56 < gregdek> I've been resisting YouTube in favor of something more Fedora-friendly, but that's looking tougher and tougher. 15:56 < tw2113> and i bet most just show off compiz effects 15:56 < mizmo> i mean, if a freaking suspicious looking groundhog can hit the big time 15:56 < mizmo> because of you tube 15:57 < mizmo> and ricky astley! come on 15:57 < mizmo> well 15:57 < gregdek> I *will* rickroll you. 15:57 < stickster> "Never gonna give you up... never gonna bring you down..." 15:57 < gregdek> The video thing is painful. 15:57 < tw2113> what could we create a video of that shows specific Fedora stuff? 15:57 < gregdek> It's a painful set of choices. 15:57 < jds2001> heh. I was recording something for youtube or whatever with my cheapo digital camera 15:57 < jds2001> but Nikon fail. It records in AVI :/ 15:57 < mizmo> how about a slide at the end of the video: 'visit blahblahblah.com/blah to download an OGG of this video' 15:57 < kushal> but all screencasting software are failed in F8 15:58 < kushal> s/failed/failing 15:58 < gregdek> mizmo: Then we've got to store them all as OGGs. Which puts a lot more burden on the producer of the video. 15:58 < tw2113> i know RH does some interesting videos 15:58 < yates> if we're aiming for awareness of Fedora the OS and not Fedora community, YouTube is an ideal candidate, spoofs migrate themselves across the ether, the eyeballs and lasting attention from that is almost incalculable, it's just another tool in our kit box 15:58 < jds2001> kushal: i use istanbul with fairly good luck 15:58 < mizmo> gregdek, is fedora tv ... painful at this point? 15:58 < mizmo> gregdek, because it could be a pointer to there 15:58 < gregdek> mizmo: You have no idea. 15:58 < rharrison> mizmo, I think that should probably go in the description 15:58 < kushal> jds2001, istanbul quality is not so good 15:58 < mizmo> gregdek, lol i assumed as much 15:58 < gregdek> I'll probably blog about it later today. 15:58 < gregdek> Because it's time to bring some closure. 15:59 < gregdek> I was trying to get something working with archive.org, but man, they're having problems right now. 15:59 < gregdek> Still, that might be the best choice. 15:59 < gregdek> I'll pose this question to Lazyweb later today. 15:59 < mizmo> i wonder if it would be enough to say that the video was created using a FOSS workflow 15:59 < rharrison> especially once FedoraTV gets going 15:59 < mizmo> and uploaded as an ogg 16:00 < gregdek> It's a hard thing. Basically, the "Freedom" F becomes the "Fail" F when it comes to video. :/ 16:00 < gregdek> But that's my pain. Let's table this idea for now. :) 16:00 < mizmo> okay 16:01 * tw2113 pours coffee for everyone 16:01 < mizmo> is it okay to post guerilla videos in the meantime? o_O 16:01 * mizmo has a psp camera.... 16:01 < gregdek> mizmo: Absolutely. :) 16:01 < mizmo> okie doke 16:01 < gregdek> From a viral perspective, no question. 16:01 < gregdek> Gah. 16:01 < gregdek> Where were we? 16:02 < kcatallo> pubs/modes of communication? 16:02 < gregdek> Right. :) 16:02 < gregdek> Oh, interviews! 16:02 < jds2001> i can communicate *at* the pub :) 16:02 < gregdek> I wanted to get back to that. 16:02 < gregdek> jds: Do you live at the pub? 16:02 < gregdek> It's a rhetorical question. :) 16:02 < gregdek> Anyway. 16:03 < gregdek> mizmo: My concern about interviews -- will too many of them be "too much"? 16:03 < gregdek> Or is there no such thing as "too many Fedora interviews"? 16:03 < mizmo> gregdek, i dont know as how you could have too many :) 16:03 < mizmo> gregdek, especially if they show off new cool shiz (the First part) 16:04 < tw2113> part of me would want to prioritize interview areas, but that would also be unfair 16:04 < spevack> I think you need to have 2 or 3 that are being Featured at any given time, but an archive with all of them is a fine thing. 16:04 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=sglaser at fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-mktg 16:04 < mizmo> yeh totally 16:04 < tw2113> like highlight the features that have made huge leaps 16:04 < tw2113> or areas that will hopefully further push our edge-ness 16:05 < mizmo> some other things, that are maybe less interview and more tutorial but it would be good to feature a particular fedora person doing the demo 16:05 < mizmo> is like, 'how to set up a bluetooth remote to work with totem on fedora 9' or something like that 16:05 < mizmo> things like that on digg seem to get a lot of diggs because they are practical 16:06 < mizmo> it gives you ideas for cool things you can do with your computer 16:06 < tw2113> those are things that a lot of people would be able to utilize 16:06 < mizmo> because there is a lot of cool shiz you can do if only you knew that fedora can do it 16:06 < mizmo> some of the setups people have here on their desktops are pretty cool 16:06 < stickster> This is something that also ties into new features. The more we can show people how to use them, (hopefu lly) the less resistance there is to them 16:06 < stickster> Change is scary but tutorials can help soften the blow. 16:07 < mizmo> i think someone has a setup where, when he walks away from his computer, it detects that his cell phone is no longer in close proximity to the computer and it pulls up the screensaver 16:07 < gregdek> Hm. So a combo interview/demo. 16:07 < mizmo> yeh, then it makes the feature more valuable 16:07 < kushal> Milanito, nice idea 16:07 < kushal> oops 16:08 < kushal> mizmo, nice idea 16:08 < stickster> And btw, istanbul works great in F9 Beta afaict. 16:08 < gregdek> Yay! 16:08 < kushal> stickster, oh, that is great news 16:08 < Sparks> mizmo: I think he was at DEFCON... I saw the presentation somewhere else, though. 16:08 < kushal> stickster, I loved recordmydesktop more though 16:08 < gregdek> This kind of interview is a great feature/folks double play. 16:08 < gregdek> All right. 16:08 < gregdek> How can we generate as many of these potential interviews as possible? 16:09 < gregdek> Does this dovetail with the other brainstorming session, maybe? 16:09 < stickster> gregdek: Yes. 16:09 < mizmo> Sparks, oh okay, i think he sits in the office lol i dont remember who it is 16:09 < stickster> We can split that session -- 1/2 story ideas, 1/2 interview/demo ideas 16:09 < mizmo> +1 16:09 * stickster just set up http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/FedoraStories 16:09 < gregdek> OK. Then I'll put this on your plate as well. 16:10 < gregdek> A brief pause for me while I add this to the task list... 16:11 < gregdek> OK. 16:11 < gregdek> I'm back. 16:11 < gregdek> So we've got a bunch of stuff to work on. 16:12 < gregdek> Are there any *key* things we need to be thinking about and planning for *now* that (a) we haven't covered, and (b) aren't being covered somewhere else? 16:12 * mizmo cant think of anything 16:12 < tw2113> world domination 16:12 < gregdek> I kinda wonder if we've got a list of talks with press peeps lined up. 16:13 < gregdek> kcatallo: Is this what you guys will help us handle at release time? 16:13 < stickster> Caroline emailed me that was in progress 16:13 < gregdek> Sweet. 16:13 < stickster> I'm sure kschiltz is in on it too 16:13 < kcatallo> Yes, Kara will be working with Caroline on outreach and lining interviews up as the date approaches 16:14 < gregdek> Okey doke. 16:14 < gregdek> Well, that seems well in hand then. 16:14 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=sglaser at fedora/sonarguy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:15 < gregdek> I think this has been pretty good. Plenty to keep us all busy. 16:15 < kcatallo> Another thing that would be great is as we approach press release writing time, a list of all of the things you want focused on will be really helpful 16:15 < kcatallo> in terms of what #s we come up with, etc. 16:15 < gregdek> I hope that falls out of the 4 Fs brainstorm. 16:15 < gregdek> And the metrics work. 16:15 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=sglaser at fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-mktg 16:15 < kcatallo> sounds good 16:15 < gregdek> Is anyone itching to continue meeting? :) 16:15 -!- kschiltz [n=kschiltz at nat/redhat/x-9910d3c703073e1d] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:16 < stickster> I'm still here 16:16 < tw2113> i have nowhere to go other than perhaps the post office 16:16 < mizmo> im still here 16:16 < gregdek> fugolini: Are you there? 16:17 < gregdek> Because we could definitely talk about Ambassador ideas. 16:17 < gregdek> Oooh... L10N of all this stuff. 16:17 < fugolini> yep 16:17 < gregdek> Boy. That's a big 'un. 16:17 * gregdek takes a deep breath. 16:18 < gregdek> So if we *really* want worldwide reach... 16:18 < fugolini> at this point 16:18 < stickster> gregdek: L10N of video... hard. 16:18 -!- kschiltz [n=kschiltz at nat/redhat/x-a706ed4cad3eb704] has joined #fedora-mktg 16:18 < kushal> stickster, that is what I am doing 16:18 < stickster> gregdek: L10N of subtitles... hard but might be do-able with a GNOME hacker. 16:18 < fugolini> Famsco didn't start a discussion over such issue 16:18 < kushal> stickster, I record the videos first with recordmydesktop 16:18 < kushal> stickster, then record audio with audacity 16:18 < fugolini> we have to close some other issues 16:19 < kushal> stickster, then mix with pitivi 16:19 < gregdek> fugolini: Any ambassador plans for F9 at this point? 16:19 < fugolini> tomorrow 16:19 < kushal> theoretically easy :( 16:19 < fugolini> we will have a better organized idea 16:19 < iWolf> there's the release parties we are trying to encourage. 16:19 < fugolini> we have in mind to make some Fedora 9 Parties 16:20 < fugolini> but we haven't yet talk about the organization 16:20 * jds2001 would be game for doing one in NYC 16:20 < fugolini> iWolf proposed some interesting things 16:20 < kushal> final editing in kino 16:20 -!- kschiltz [n=kschiltz at nat/redhat/x-a706ed4cad3eb704] has quit [Client Quit] 16:20 < fugolini> just give use the time to close some important items 16:20 < iWolf> i sugmitted a request to the art list to try to get some flyers made up that folks can use in their local area to publicize. 16:20 < gregdek> fugolini: We can talk more at next week's meeting, maybe? 16:20 < jds2001> im not really sure how such a thing would work though 16:21 * Sparks bails as he has to beat afternoon traffic 16:21 < fugolini> gregdek: +10000000000 16:21 < gregdek> :) 16:21 < gregdek> fugolini: OK. I'll put you on the agenda for an update next week. 16:21 -!- kcatallo [n=kcatallo at nat/redhat/x-27a08aca624d15e1] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:21 * jds2001 WFH today, no traffic :). None normally either since I live a 10 minute walk from my office :) 16:22 * stickster preparing email to f-marketing-l 16:22 < gregdek> OK, so there's one "priority one" item left on the agenda: "Beta Release Overview". 16:22 < gregdek> Is this being handled elsewhere? 16:22 < gregdek> i.e. by the docs team? 16:22 < gregdek> Or is this something else? 16:23 < rharrison> Is that the single summary? 16:23 < gregdek> Maybe. 16:23 < gregdek> It was listed as a separate item, so I'm bringing it up. 16:24 < gregdek> Yeah, looks like it's linking to SSS. 16:24 < gregdek> So who owns it? 16:25 < gregdek> I sound like an owl. 16:25 < gregdek> Who? Who? Who owns "Beta Release Overview"? 16:26 < gregdek> quaid was the last one to touch the SSS page... :) 16:26 < stickster> gregdek: I think this is Docs ownership. 16:27 < gregdek> stickster: Who's the current fdisco lead? 16:27 < stickster> quaid: 16:27 < gregdek> Then quaid is the winner! 16:27 < stickster> Because of the way the page is written, it's still unclear to some people (including me to a small extent) what we need to do to make this page fulfill its intended function. 16:27 < stickster> There's some hints in the latest FDSCo meeting IRC log 16:27 < gregdek> Well, then, I guess quaid will fill us in! 16:28 < stickster> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-March/msg00193.html 16:28 < gregdek> That's what he gets for going to pick up his kids. ;) 16:28 < stickster> I think a lot of it is just painful wiki editing. 16:28 < gregdek> Yeah, 16:28 < stickster> This is what we get for not pruning as we go for so long. 16:28 < gregdek> Well, considering that this is clearly already being handled by the docs team, maybe we just kill this work item altogether. 16:28 < stickster> i.e. lots of work all at once to accomplish painful but important goal :-) 16:28 < stickster> gregdek: I think that makes sense. 16:29 < stickster> Or at least reference it and make it clearly a Docs task 16:29 < gregdek> Does quaid have the horses to get this done? 16:29 < gregdek> We could make a call for volunteers on f-mktg-l... 16:30 < gregdek> Anyway. It's almost 4:30, and it feels like people have wandered off somewhat. 16:30 < gregdek> So I think I'm about to call this meeting. 16:30 < gregdek> Any objections? 16:30 < yates> still about :) 16:30 < gregdek> All right, yates, anything to add? :) 16:30 < yates> haha, nope, sorry, was just dropping in 16:31 < gregdek> Then meeting adjourned in 5... 16:31 < gregdek> 4... 16:31 < gregdek> 3... 16:31 < gregdek> 2... 16:31 < gregdek> 1... 16:31 < gregdek> 1/2... 16:31 < tw2113> . 16:31 * gregdek BANGS the gavel! 16:31 < gregdek> Meeting adjourned. From linux at elfshadow.net Fri Mar 28 01:13:13 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:13:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora marketing meeting minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803271813p7fe9d97brcc3dbf34175bd455@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > (p.s. does someone have an IRC log to post?) IRC meeting log posted to mailing list here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00274.html HTML IRC Log: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080327 ~Jeffrey From nihedmm at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:28:27 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:28:27 +0100 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <1206655527.2836.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <1206655527.2836.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0803280028t1390dec7qe3c8d25fe0c6dfc1@mail.gmail.com> Fedora GROUPTHINK or Fedora COINTELLIGENCE are good for me :) but all proposition are good, great job Red Hat Team On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 16:59 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > > Hi, as a follow-up to my proposal to create a Fedora community grid > > project > > ( > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00022.html > ) > > and our discussion at fedora-advisory-board regarding naming > > ( > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00100.html > ), > > I asked John Adams and some of the creative people at Red Hat to help us > > brainstorm names for this project. They did a great job, and I've > > attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just > > suggestions and starting points for conversation. > > > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a week > > and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > > project. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > I like REM Cycle or the Fedora Dream Project > Fedora Group Intelligence sounds sophisticated while I like it as well > people might think they have nothing to offer. > > Also Turbine as well is good for me. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They did a great job, and I've > > > attached the output of their work. Note that these names are all just > > > suggestions and starting points for conversation. > > > > > > Please provide input on names. I'll let the conversation go for a > > week > > > and then put up a consensus vote on 4/4 as to what we will name this > > > project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bryan > > > > I like REM Cycle or the Fedora Dream Project > > Fedora Group Intelligence sounds sophisticated while I like it as well > > people might think they have nothing to offer. > > > > Also Turbine as well is good for me. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > Association for Computing Machinery Member > PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] > FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gdk at redhat.com Fri Mar 28 19:00:16 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SSS stewarding In-Reply-To: <1206656347.30372.57.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206656347.30372.57.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > 11:54 < stickster> This is what we get for not pruning as we go for so long. > 11:54 < gregdek> Well, considering that this is clearly already being handled by the docs > team, maybe we just kill this work item altogether. > 11:54 < stickster> i.e. lots of work all at once to accomplish painful but important goal > :-) > 11:54 < stickster> gregdek: I think that makes sense. > 11:54 < stickster> Or at least reference it and make it clearly a Docs task > > Sure, there is some clear ownership of this page in a technical sense -- > how it is constructed, the wiki nature, process rules, etc. The > *content* within this structure is another matter: > > > * Some comes from something that is like a Beat Summary, a short few > paragraphs for each beat or beat area that can be reused in release > notes and press kits. > > * Some is pure Marketing owned -- the Project Overview, for example, > that talks about mission, governorship, etc. > > * Technical content and quality assurance comes through Docs, from > various parts of the project (including writers within Docs itself) > > In order to get something concreted on the Marketing tasks, we'll need > to suss out the structure a bit more, I reckon. Paul has kindly agreed > to help, since he and I sort-of have the only brain between us that > understands how this all might work. Ha! Well, the real question is, will you be at subsequent marketing meetings to discuss the marketing needs for the SSS? And if not, who will be your proxy? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 22:08:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Lodging Message-ID: <1206742125.897.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> As the co-organizers for the North American FUDCon F10, the illustrious Max Spevack and I are trying to get a handle on our true hotel needs for the event. 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URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 30 16:21:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:21:35 +0100 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> So people, what are we doing about this next? It seems that there are a number of good reasons for us to make this work using Lyceum, so I'm happy to go with that provided we can find a packager - Rahul you said you might be able to help with this? Also, Mike McGrath mentioned that we have an existing relationship with upstream so perhaps they might be interested in helping? And one final port of call could be Fedora's current Wordpress maintainer... With respect to workflow, how do people think we can test this? I personally think if we come up with an initial list of content types we're targeting, and do a test run of each of these to see how things will work? Maybe this is overkill, I'm open to suggestions! Infra can help us out with OpenID/SSS. And as for the theme, what do people think of what I came up with at http://test.questionsplease.org ? Let's try and get answers to all these questions by the next week, I think that seems a reasonable target and then perhaps we can begin to move forward with this again :) Best wishes, Jon From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 16:30:54 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:30:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > And as for the theme, what do people think of what I came up with at > http://test.questionsplease.org ? The footer is slightly broken. I'll see if I can find a fix for that for you. -- ian From rtlm10 at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 23:41:45 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:41:45 -0400 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206502039.4531.151.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130803301641o2322ac31k982b1b5637c99165@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > We actually had a lot of problems getting MU going. Especially as it > relates to some simple things (like using https instead of http) which > required changes to the code itself :-/ Frank Chiulli is the primary > Infrastructure contact on that right now though, he actually went through > all the steps to get it up and going. Can we get some more details on this? Does this plugin help at all? http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/secure-admin/ I know there are many reports of people having difficulties with plugins under Lyceum. That may cause some serious problems depending on what the team may wish to do in the future.. On the flip side at least its possible to compare notes with the team running Lyceum for Red Hat proper. I recently had to go through this same process for our use internally. I was initially leaning twards Lyceum but the plugin issue was the deciding factor. That and the community size differences. I figured I was better off support wise with more people participating in the wpmu project. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 00:22:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:52:28 +0530 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F02EC4.7010000@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > So people, > > what are we doing about this next? > > It seems that there are a number of good reasons for us to make this > work using Lyceum, so I'm happy to go with that provided we can find a > packager - Rahul you said you might be able to help with this? I can but a few people seem skeptical about the usefulness of Lyceum over Wordpress and compatibility issues with plugins and so on. Can you list out what you feel are the benefits that outweigh the disadvantages? Rahul From danishka at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 03:24:26 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:54:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka Message-ID: Hi All, Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and Maintaining Sinhala language for the Fedora. But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a distribution. Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only one day per month. But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead. I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors on each and every university. Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri Lanka. Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming a test case like this. you host latest stable release synchronize every two weeks 100 regular users per university My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT centers in Sri Lanka. Appreciate you earliest response. Regards, -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 03:43:00 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:13:00 +0530 Subject: Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and Maintaining > Sinhala language for the Fedora. Great job!!! > > I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors on each > and every university. > Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri > Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri > Lanka. Thats is a very nice idea. Hope we can replicate it here too. > Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming a > test case like this. > > you host latest stable release [root at mirror ~]# du -h /var/www/html/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/ | tail -n 1 69G /var/www/html/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/ [root at mirror ~]# du -h /var/www/html/pub/fedora/linux/updates/8/ | tail -n 1 18G /var/www/html/pub/fedora/linux/updates/8/ > synchronize every two weeks Around 2-3Gbs but may vary according to times update pushed. (Total for i386 and x86_84) > 100 regular users per university Thats a tricky question. If you have a mirror at each university, then that will cater to all the internal needs. And if you do restrict serving only to your country there should not be too much external traffic. (If you don't, expect *all* bandwidth to be consumed, no matter how big your pipe is.) We have a public mirror here and we got 1 million requests in 12 days !!! [root at mirror ~]# cat /var/log/messages|grep vsftpd|grep CONNECT|wc -l 1051827 [root at mirror ~]# uptime 13:31:05 up 11 days, 19:11, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.48, 0.36 -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From danishka at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 05:04:54 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:34:54 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka In-Reply-To: <20080331044819.GA31289@domsch.com> References: <20080331044819.GA31289@domsch.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, Thanks for your quick responce. :) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:54:26AM +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and > Maintaining > > Sinhala language for the Fedora. > > But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a > > distribution. > > Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only > one > > day per month. > > But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead. > > > > I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors > on > > each and every university. > > Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the > Sri > > Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in > Sri > > Lanka. > > > > Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth > assuming > > a test case like this. > > > > you host latest stable release > > synchronize every two weeks > > 100 regular users per university > > The full Fedora 8 install tree is 88GB, including the ppc arch and > debuginfo packages, which you may not need. If only carrying i386 and > x86_64, and no debuginfo, it's 39GB. > > The updates tree for Fedora 8 is another 47GB including ppc and > debuginfo, 16GB if not. > > The releases tree changes only every 6 months (excluding test > releases). The updates tree should be synced daily. > > Budgeting 200GB for Fedora 9 is not too much, especially as we've been > growing the releases over time. I expect the full install tree to be > 120GB, and over time the updates tree will grow as it has with Fedora > 8. > > We have no public mirrors registered for Sri Lanka, and would > appreciate having some. We have only 2 public mirrors in India > (presumably where your users are pulling from today). yeah, We I am planning proposed to www.sltidc.lk for a public mirror. :) > > As for bandwidth required, we recommend no less than 10Mbit/sec, and > prefer 100Mbit/sec or higher if available. Often times educational > networks will have even higher available bandwidth inside a single > university or between universities. > Now all major universities are connected to LEARN network (University VLAN ) via a Optical Fiber having a bandwidth of at least 10Mbps. And hope to host internal mirror at one of the University and others can sync from that. > > > > My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT > > centers in Sri Lanka. > > That would be fantastic. > > > Appreciate you earliest response. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Danishka Navin > > > Thanks, > Matt > Fedora Mirror Wrangler > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 09:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: >> Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >> http://justingill.com/blog/2008/03/18/mandriva-linux-spring-2008-release-on-the-asus-eee-pc/ >>> Interesting article. >>> >>> I know there is eeedora but that is not an official fedora spin but a >>> project maintained by only one eee and fedora user [1] >>> [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/ >> ... >>> Are there any plans to support eeedora project? >> >> All it takes really is someone (or a group of someones) to step up and >> create a fedora SIG to produce/support such a thing. An update http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/115918.html Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 31 17:15:57 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:15:57 -0700 Subject: SSS stewarding In-Reply-To: References: <1206656347.30372.57.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206983757.30372.353.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 15:00 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Well, the real question is, will you be at subsequent marketing > meetings > to discuss the marketing needs for the SSS? And if not, who will be > your > proxy? I should be there, although the time is a bit awkward for me. Typically I'll be there at the start and have to leave before the end. Maybe we can add this task up near the start of the agenda. I'll be sure to pass on any update to e.g. Paul if I'm not available. - Karsten, with his first Marketing task! -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Typically > I'll be there at the start and have to leave before the end. Maybe we > can add this task up near the start of the agenda. I'll be sure to pass > on any update to e.g. Paul if I'm not available. > > - Karsten, with his first Marketing task! We'll put you first. :) --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 31 17:27:31 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:27:31 -0700 Subject: naming discussion for Fedora community grid project (previously aka Fedora@Home) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910803280918x477291eeuadb47a366d2756ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0AB9.70504@redhat.com> <1206655527.2836.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bddd8fd0803280028t1390dec7qe3c8d25fe0c6dfc1@mail.gmail.com> <3d0809e40803280409y32b55353uf02211ae448385bd@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910803280918x477291eeuadb47a366d2756ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206984451.30372.359.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 08:18 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > 2008/3/28 Scott Thistle : > I like the Fedora Karma > > Out of all the names I would avoid using karma. Doesn't bodhi already > use the concept of 'karma' for update comments? I don't think we want > to re-use the word when its being used inside our infrastructure > already. Oddly, I had first recommended we drop the whole karma-line because I figure it's too tied up in religion *and* popular culture. Then I realized that was a bit stupid of me, if it is offensive someone on this list will let us know. Since the rewards for good karma usually are delivered in subsequent lifetimes, my thinking is to pick a name that is reflective of this current incarnation. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you > list out what you feel are the benefits that outweigh the disadvantages? > I'll try, but I'll also copy Frank to see what he thinks. * MU was a pain to get working with https, and looking through this thread I see Mike McGrath suggest that code changes would have been required, which would perhaps outweigh the plugin problems some have reported with Lyceum, especially when on their website they say: Q: Can I use WordPress themes and plugins with Lyceum? A: Yes. The majority of WordPress themes can be used with Lyceum with only a one-line modification (see this guide). Many plugins (particularly those which do not interact with the database) can be used with no modification, and for the rest usually only slight modification is required. * Wordpress itself, in my opinion, is less of an option as it would seem like it would lead to duplicated work for others in the project who are going to be looking at setting up a multi-blog instance sometime in the near future. If we get Lyceum/MU working now, we'll save them the trouble. It would also spare infra the trouble of having to maintain two software installations. Umm...I think that's the main points I had in my head, but I can't be certain because frustratingly I typed this e-mail and then lost it!! Gargh... Best wishes, Jon From gelios at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 19:31:33 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:31:33 +0400 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <47E9FF29.6060002@binaryvibes.co.in> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <47E9FF29.6060002@binaryvibes.co.in> Message-ID: <448999300803311231h757db3crcd2a90992ecd619@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Sudheer wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Evening all, > > > > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org > > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank > > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use :) > > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues: > > > > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for? > > > > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other > > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what > > press.redhat.com is. > > > > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra > > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on > > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I > > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by > > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also > > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think). > > > > > I recommend Drupal. It provides multi user blog and whole lot of other > features. > > > 3) Experiment and play - find a work flow that's right for us! We may need > > some test material for this, such as an example FWN release or a mock > > announcement. > > > > 4) We need a theme. I've started on one, and whatever we create for > > Wordpress should also work on Lyceum, though we've had some problems with > > this! If you're interested to see what I've got so far, > > test.questionsplease.org will let you :) I can make this available for > > people to use as a base. All I've done is create a simple Wordpress > > template that uses the ids and classes from fedora.css, and point at that > > for the style sheet. I'll upload this to my fedorapeople space soon... > > > > > I would be glad to help set-up Drupal for news.fedoraproject.org. > > > Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different > > roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the > > install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here? > > > > I think that's all for now. Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about > > this? Ah, and finally, could we keep all replies to the marketing list, if > > people think that's appropriate? Better to do everything once than 5 times! > > > > > > Best wishes, and sorry for all the stuff I've probably forgotten! > > > > Jon > > > > > -- > > With warm regards, > Sudheer. S > http://binaryvibes.co.in > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 for drupal. it have powerful multi-user blog abilities. Also we can use voting system to submit posts on front page. From rtlm10 at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 20:20:43 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:43 -0400 Subject: news.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1206990377.3137.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <416ff6804984c15d497dd9698f1fe4bb@www.questionsplease.org> <1206632001.4736.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206894095.3130.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47F02EC4.7010000@fedoraproject.org> <1206990377.3137.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130803311320q38ceb3afnb67e22be37c1784a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I'll try, but I'll also copy Frank to see what he thinks. > > * MU was a pain to get working with https, and looking through this > thread I see Mike McGrath suggest that code changes would have been > required, which would perhaps outweigh the plugin problems some have > reported with Lyceum, especially when on their website they say: I looked a bit more into this last night. All I have to say is booooo WordPress MU developers boo. The fix is pretty lamely easy but would be a huge hassle to have to do every time we tried to patch to the latest version. I'll take your research into the issues as enough to sway me. +1 Lyceum Its nice knowing smart people are working on things. You can just trust them to know what they're talking about. :-D Russell From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 20:24:00 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Board public meeting, 2008-04-01 UTC 1800 Message-ID: <1206995040.3801.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Apologies for the late notice: The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 01 April 2008, at 1800 UTC on IRC Freenode. The public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. We found that in the last meeting the Board members, by joining the #f-b-public channel, inadvertently drove some discussion away from the meeting logged in #f-b-meeting. This time around we will not join that channel, and rely entirely on our gracious moderator Max Spevack to direct questions to #f-b-meeting for us to answer. This routine should limit confusion and make sure our logs are useful to everyone. The Board has set aside the first meeting of each month as a public "town hall" style meeting. We are hoping to do an audio-based meeting at some point in the near future when resources allow. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. Paul W. Frields Chairman, Fedora Project Board Fedora Project Leader -- Paul W. 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The first topic in the meeting, on which the Board will take questions, is the spin policy. We will have a short discussion and then open up for questions on that topic. After that, maybe 15-20 minutes total -- we'll move on to an open floor for other questions. Thanks again and we look forward to seeing you there. Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 20:46:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:46:41 +0200 Subject: Board public meeting, 2008-04-01 UTC 1800 (ERRATUM) In-Reply-To: <1206995040.3801.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206995040.3801.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000d01c89370$52e72780$ba00000a@grecom.local> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:24 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Apologies for the late notice: And for the erratum. The first topic in the meeting, on which the Board will take questions, is the spin policy. We will have a short discussion and then open up for questions on that topic. After that, maybe 15-20 minutes total -- we'll move on to an open floor for other questions. Thanks again and we look forward to seeing you there. Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 20:46:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:46:31 +0200 Subject: Board public meeting, 2008-04-01 UTC 1800 (ERRATUM) In-Reply-To: <1206995040.3801.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206995040.3801.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000901c89370$4ceed580$ba00000a@grecom.local> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:24 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Apologies for the late notice: And for the erratum. The first topic in the meeting, on which the Board will take questions, is the spin policy. We will have a short discussion and then open up for questions on that topic. After that, maybe 15-20 minutes total -- we'll move on to an open floor for other questions. Thanks again and we look forward to seeing you there. Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From gdk at redhat.com Mon Mar 31 21:26:33 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? Message-ID: So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing team. But first, a history lesson: http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. So let me ask you: If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about that? --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 21:47:33 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:47:33 -0600 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? > > In my opinion, this is a great idea for a couple reasons. First, whenever I take the time to introduce someone to Fedora or Red Hat, they get utterly confused if I don't first explain the relationship. This is well-known throughout our community and as such, a "sponsored by Red Hat" logo somewhere would be nice. Next, Red Hat has a lot to do with the fact that the Fedora Project thrives. While it may have differing opinions from the community, as far as I can tell, they are still listening to the community and most recently we're being heard. I am sure there are other reasons, but these are just a couple off the top of my head. I'm excited to see this change and look forward to more unification of our brands even if its just a simple sponsorship. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 21:46:36 2008 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:36 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1206999996.2944.2.camel@kennedy> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? I've no problem with that. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrianPepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 21:52:43 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:52:43 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ That's ancient history at this point. History we'd of course rather not have to look back on, but we do. As of now, I think that Fedora is the most transparent commercially backed distribution out there. > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that > gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. Yep, sad but true. > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? Go for it! Maybe we can attempt to repair some of the past "damage" to the brand. I help in correcting lots of people's perceptions that things are still how they were in the past. Now the question is: Is rh_legal OK with this? :) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 21:56:17 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:56:17 +0100 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1207000577.3269.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing > team. > > But first, a history lesson: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ > > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that > gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? I'd say that things have changed a lot since that was written. What were those statistics that Max pointed out a while ago? Over 50% of packages are now maintained by the community; the build system is now completely open; anybody can gain the trust of the project and be allowed to work on essential infra; the list goes on! With this in mind, I see no problem with thanking Red Hat and linking ourselves with their strong brand in a subtle manner. But maybe we ought to do more to promote the massive achievements in community growing that have happened lately... Jon From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Mar 31 21:59:29 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:59:29 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F15EC1.2050604@kanarip.com> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red > Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel > about that? > Maybe make it say "Heavily sponsored by Red Hat", as to not get only half the truth out there. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 22:02:24 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:02:24 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200804010002.30518.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Montag, 31. M?rz 2008 23:26:33 schrieb Greg DeKoenigsberg: > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? Let me answer with a mail i answered to Rahul with a reply from Paul Frields. I understand it from the RedHat view. But i don?t like this idea! cu Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Paul W. Frields" Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:19 -0400 Size: 8632 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 22:03:18 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:03:18 -0400 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <1207000577.3269.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207000577.3269.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207000998.14663.3.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 22:56 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I'd say that things have changed a lot since that was written. What were > those statistics that Max pointed out a while ago? Over 50% of packages > are now maintained by the community; the build system is now completely > open; anybody can gain the trust of the project and be allowed to work > on essential infra; the list goes on! > > With this in mind, I see no problem with thanking Red Hat and linking > ourselves with their strong brand in a subtle manner. But maybe we ought > to do more to promote the massive achievements in community growing that > have happened lately... What about "Sponsored by Red Hat" followed shortly by "Brought to you by the Fedora Community"? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From elio at tondo.it Mon Mar 31 22:39:10 2008 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:39:10 +0200 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: <1207000998.14663.3.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1207000577.3269.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207000998.14663.3.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <47F1680E.3060900@tondo.it> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: >> With this in mind, I see no problem with thanking Red Hat and linking >> ourselves with their strong brand in a subtle manner. But maybe we ought >> to do more to promote the massive achievements in community growing that >> have happened lately... > > What about "Sponsored by Red Hat" followed shortly by "Brought to you by > the Fedora Community"? +1 Elio From mike at miketc.com Mon Mar 31 23:08:30 2008 From: mike at miketc.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:08:30 -0500 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1207004910.2843.4.camel@scrappy.miketc.com> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 17:26 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing > team. > > But first, a history lesson: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ Holy Crap!! Didn't know I was involved in that LOL. Or at least I don't remember most of it, just the initial "what the heck is going on type thing" and trying to help explain or inform of what I *thought* was going on. Heh, think a lot of that was people jumping the gun, thinking it all was gonna start happening "now" and not thinking it might take a while to get it going/started. Anyway, not gonna start "that" convo up again.. > > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, that > gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red Hat" > with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel about > that? I don't see what that would hurt. Maybe something along the lines of "Driven by the Community, sponsored by Red Hat!" type thing? +1 though :) -- Mike Chambers Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc.. mikec302 at fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 23:58:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:28:54 +0530 Subject: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F17ABE.9020309@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > So I'm going to ask this question to you, the friendly Fedora marketing > team. > > But first, a history lesson: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/83360/ > > This is pretty much the most accurate depiction of how the great brand > gulf between Fedora and Red Hat started. And in many people's minds, > that gulf has grown to such an extent that many don't have any way of > associating Red Hat with Fedora *at all*. > > So let me ask you: > > If, in splash screens for Fedora, we put a tasteful "sponsored by Red > Hat" with the Shadowman logo somewhere small... how would you all feel > about that? A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar idea very recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I shouldn't do this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. Rahul