From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:12:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:12:45 -0400 Subject: Examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910804301308s23295a2dre47b5b9ef11a6963@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300804280138l59486687j6d246d68db89c178@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580804291517m5780d3f4jdaff88f6a38f78d4@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910804301308s23295a2dre47b5b9ef11a6963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209615165.5720.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 12:08 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/4/29 Rashadul Islam : > > - Prepare some differences between Fedora 9 and UBUNTU or REDHAT Enterprise > > edition. It really helps. > > Let me strongly suggest that making a detailed side by side > comparisons with any other distribution is NOT something fedora as a > project or its representative should be doing. Its an activity that > comes with strong inherent biases and it will be very difficult to > make a fair comparison where the person putting together the material > has not been influenced by the differing degrees of experience with > each distribution. If we do it in a way that looks like its an > official Fedora project presentation..a person's intimate knowledge of > Fedora and relatively poor knowledge of other distributions can come > off as biased propaganda meant to sully the work of others. Avoid > doing it. Comparisons such as this are best left to 3rd parties. > > Avoid setting up a presentation that attempts to measure a specific > Fedora release relative to any other distribution's specific release. > Prepare the materials based on the inherent characteristics of Fedora > and relative changes from previous Fedora releases. If you must > answer questions like "What's different between Fedora and this other > distribution" then focus on the Fedora Project's goal to drive open > innovation that benefits all linux users regardless of distribution by > working as closely with upstream projects as possible. A very > informed Fedora enthusiast will have a hard time making equally > informed statements about distributions which are not closely aligned > with Fedora ecosystem. +1 on all the above. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:39:21 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:39:21 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> In the last websites meeting (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-04-30 ) a discussion about the path that the websites team should follow was discussed and so a new vision for the website will be proposed to get started. One of the hot topics that was discussed is the content displayed in the fedoraproject.org site. Currently the content used is not enough for a user to get to know the project and so he must be redirected to the wiki to find some basic things about fedora project. As you all might now the marketing team is the one leading the efforts on how the project is being promoted and as the website is one of the tools used to promote fedora, the content displayed there should be of high quality and very representative. Having that in mind im asking the people here in the marketing team to join me in the process of generating/providing the content that should be used in the website. The ones who want to help would work along with people from the website team, the art team, and the translation guys in order to have a good and representative website. So is anyone interested in helping? :) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 04:43:00 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:13:00 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > Having that in mind im asking the people here in the marketing team to > join me in the process of generating/providing the content that should > be used in the website. The ones who want to help would work along with > people from the website team, the art team, and the translation guys in > order to have a good and representative website. > > So is anyone interested in helping? :) I would be if there was specific things to provide feedback on. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:48:02 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:48:02 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > Having that in mind im asking the people here in the marketing team to > > join me in the process of generating/providing the content that should > > be used in the website. The ones who want to help would work along with > > people from the website team, the art team, and the translation guys in > > order to have a good and representative website. > > > > So is anyone interested in helping? :) > > I would be if there was specific things to provide feedback on. > > Rahul > The idea here is to start thinking about the objective of the website. Right now there is no defined horizon and so the website is not that useful as it should be. Think of this effort as a "start from scratch" as nobody seems to know what the real objective for the website should be, so finding that would lead us to get the correct content to be used From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 04:59:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:29:47 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > The idea here is to start thinking about the objective of the website. > Right now there is no defined horizon and so the website is not that > useful as it should be. Think of this effort as a "start from scratch" > as nobody seems to know what the real objective for the website should > be, so finding that would lead us to get the correct content to be used I think we are going through the same discussions every now and then. If you are going to lead the effort, I suggest you make a decision based on earlier feedback from https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00076.html One concrete short term improvement would be to look at changing the download page for the Fedora 9 release. Details at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 05:13:59 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:13:59 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > > > The idea here is to start thinking about the objective of the website. > > Right now there is no defined horizon and so the website is not that > > useful as it should be. Think of this effort as a "start from scratch" > > as nobody seems to know what the real objective for the website should > > be, so finding that would lead us to get the correct content to be used > > I think we are going through the same discussions every now and then. If > you are going to lead the effort, I suggest you make a decision based on > earlier feedback from > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00076.html I remember that discussion (i think i started it back then) > > One concrete short term improvement would be to look at changing the > download page for the Fedora 9 release. Details at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora > > Rahul > One thing we settled in the websites meeting is the difference between small changes and long term overhauls. For fedora 9 release there is nothing to be done in this effort apart from what it is usually done when a new release comes (new screenshots, new links here and there and promoting the new release) This new vision of the website is gonna be the base for what the website should be in the future (probably for fedora 10 release) which would be in the category of an overhaul as there will be lots of changes including (but not limited to it) the content of the site. So as discussed in the meeting, some leadership is needed in order to accomplish that... that is why i want some people here in the marketing team to help on it... we will be deciding what we think the website should be. Making this decisions doesn't mean that that is exactly what should appear on the site, but will give us an idea on what the website should be for (remember that the website is a tool for promoting the project and so far it is not doing it in the best way). -- Juan Camilo Prada From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 1 05:24:11 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 01:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > So as discussed in the meeting, some leadership is needed in order to > accomplish that... that is why i want some people here in the marketing > team to help on it... we will be deciding what we think the website > should be. Making this decisions doesn't mean that that is exactly what > should appear on the site, but will give us an idea on what the website > should be for (remember that the website is a tool for promoting the > project and so far it is not doing it in the best way). Is it not? I think there's this assumption that the current Fedora website is terribly useless. But I look at the front page of fedoraproject.org, and I see *exactly* what I think I *should* see. If others disagree, it is a relatively simple thing to produce a mockup and say "this is *my* vision." Unfortunately, websites are ideal targets for bikeshed arguments. And I think that's what we've had, over and over. I'm reminded of something one of my creative writing professors said as we critiqued one another's work: "If everybody has the same complaint, you need to fix it -- but if everyone has different complaints, you can safely ignore all of them." --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 05:28:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:58:05 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00076.html > > I remember that discussion (i think i started it back then) Right and there was similar discussions before where nothing happened after that too. > One thing we settled in the websites meeting is the difference between > small changes and long term overhauls. For fedora 9 release there is > nothing to be done in this effort apart from what it is usually done > when a new release comes (new screenshots, new links here and there and > promoting the new release) I don't see why we can't make simple obvious improvements before we reach the "vision" point and even then, I can see it happening incrementally instead of dropping off existing content or design. A small list would be: * Fix the download page. * Look at previous proposals in this list and elsewhere and start off from there Ideal world discussions are boring. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 05:39:00 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:39:00 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209620340.3341.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 01:24 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > So as discussed in the meeting, some leadership is needed in order to > > accomplish that... that is why i want some people here in the marketing > > team to help on it... we will be deciding what we think the website > > should be. Making this decisions doesn't mean that that is exactly what > > should appear on the site, but will give us an idea on what the website > > should be for (remember that the website is a tool for promoting the > > project and so far it is not doing it in the best way). > > Is it not? > > I think there's this assumption that the current Fedora website is > terribly useless. But I look at the front page of fedoraproject.org, and > I see *exactly* what I think I *should* see. > Please tell me how many times do you visit the website to get news about the project? or to get informed of something especific/related to it. Most of the basic information about the project is being stored in the wiki, which makes having fp.o a waste of resources/efforts. Every time a new user goes to fp.o if he wants/needs information about something he need to be redirected to the wiki. > If others disagree, it is a relatively simple thing to produce a mockup > and say "this is *my* vision." > > Unfortunately, websites are ideal targets for bikeshed arguments. And I > think that's what we've had, over and over. > Unfortunately a static, with no information website is bound to perish. In order to keep it alive this effort tries to set a vision for the website in which the content displayed is exactly what the user wants to find in a very easy way (not having to navigate through the wiki) and what the user wants is not always the same (at the end a website without users is useless). We cannot think of ourselves as the users but as the developers. We already know the project, but new or potential users/contributors dont. > I'm reminded of something one of my creative writing professors said as we > critiqued one another's work: "If everybody has the same complaint, you > need to fix it -- but if everyone has different complaints, you can safely > ignore all of them." > I completly disagree if we are talking in the web field, and it really worries me that somebody from the marketing team thinks that way... shouldnt it be better if we could satisfy everybody?... of course that is a hard thing to do.. but this project is not a one-time project, and it will keep getting better and better, so even if in one instance we cant accomplish everything there will still be time to keep working on it and getting better. From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 05:45:40 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:45:40 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00076.html > > > > I remember that discussion (i think i started it back then) > > Right and there was similar discussions before where nothing happened > after that too. > > > One thing we settled in the websites meeting is the difference between > > small changes and long term overhauls. For fedora 9 release there is > > nothing to be done in this effort apart from what it is usually done > > when a new release comes (new screenshots, new links here and there and > > promoting the new release) > > I don't see why we can't make simple obvious improvements before we > reach the "vision" point and even then, I can see it happening > incrementally instead of dropping off existing content or design. A > small list would be: > > * Fix the download page. > * Look at previous proposals in this list and elsewhere and start off > from there > Thats exactly what i try to avoid with this. Having just small changes is good for a small periods of time, but requirements to satisfy the users of a website change and in order to keep those users we have to change the way the website behaves and sooner or later that must be done (the sooner the less users we lose) Just try to visualize the project in two or three years having the same website, ?no effort being made to get new content and new attractive things for the users. Wouldn't that makes you think the project is dying?... From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 05:55:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:25:31 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Thats exactly what i try to avoid with this. Having just small changes > is good for a small periods of time, but requirements to satisfy the > users of a website change and in order to keep those users we have to > change the way the website behaves and sooner or later that must be > done (the sooner the less users we lose) Incremental changes can be done in parallel with discussions about alternative designs. > Just try to visualize the project in two or three years having the same > website, ?no effort being made to get new content and new attractive > things for the users. Wouldn't that makes you think the project is > dying?... If I find a good design, it becomes part of the brand and doesn't have to change ever so often fundamentally. There is a effort going to setup news.fp.o and help with that is welcome. Karsten Wade also proposed making the front page more dynamic via RSS feeds. Mockup at http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/websites/index-rss.html. If you have other ideas, showing mockups like that is easier to make sure all of us are talking about the same thing. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:03:32 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 01:03:32 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > > > Thats exactly what i try to avoid with this. Having just small changes > > is good for a small periods of time, but requirements to satisfy the > > users of a website change and in order to keep those users we have to > > change the way the website behaves and sooner or later that must be > > done (the sooner the less users we lose) > > Incremental changes can be done in parallel with discussions about > alternative designs. > > > Just try to visualize the project in two or three years having the same > > website, ?no effort being made to get new content and new attractive > > things for the users. Wouldn't that makes you think the project is > > dying?... > > If I find a good design, it becomes part of the brand and doesn't have > to change ever so often fundamentally. There is a effort going to setup > news.fp.o and help with that is welcome. Karsten Wade also proposed > making the front page more dynamic via RSS feeds. Mockup at > > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/websites/index-rss.html. > > If you have other ideas, showing mockups like that is easier to make > sure all of us are talking about the same thing. > > Rahul > > We are trying to consolidate the website team as a TEAM not as some individuals that have good ideas and where everbody do what they think should be done so this is not just "my effort" but a common idea in the website team im just being the point of contat between the Website team and the Marketing team. I already proposed a very similar idea some time ago before quaid proposed his. But so who decides what should be in the website?, why is not quaid idea being implemented yet as it seems very functional?.... the reason is we lack of some leadership who decide what should be in the website. So thats where all this comes from. We need to settle what the website is all about, what it should have so everybody who has a good idea knows that if the idea goes with the ideals of the website his proposals will be in future "releases" of the website. From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 1 06:06:33 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 02:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > Thats exactly what i try to avoid with this. Having just small changes > is good for a small periods of time, but requirements to satisfy the > users of a website change and in order to keep those users we have to > change the way the website behaves and sooner or later that must be done > (the sooner the less users we lose) > > Just try to visualize the project in two or three years having the same > website, ?no effort being made to get new content and new attractive > things for the users. Wouldn't that makes you think the project is > dying?... Sorry, I don't agree with this assertion at all. Not even a little bit. Your implication is that any useful change *must* be revolutionary. I firmly believe that any useful change must be *evolutionary*. Someone says "I think this particular problem needs to be fixed." Others agree, or disagree. If most agree, someone proposes a fix, and then at some point that fix is implemented. The alternative that you propose is boiling the ocean. That's hard enough with a team full of dedicated professionals, slugging it out every day; I refer you to redhat.com as proof. Tackling that same task with *volunteers* is an impossibility. Am I wrong? Do we all remember the work that we put into setting up the Plone instance for our Fedora Content Management System? And after the infrastructure team took weeks to get that thing configured, *no one* did *anything* with it. *Nothing*. In your other note, you mentioned news as a problem. I agree. Fedora Weekly News should be on the front page, as should the Fedora Planet. Either of these can be accomplished with a quick mock-up. To be clear: this is all my $0.02. You are free, and encouraged, to prove me wrong, and if you do, I will happily congratulate you. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:17:16 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 01:17:16 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209622636.3341.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 02:06 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Sorry, I don't agree with this assertion at all. Not even a little bit. > > Your implication is that any useful change *must* be revolutionary. > > I firmly believe that any useful change must be *evolutionary*. Someone > says "I think this particular problem needs to be fixed." Others agree, > or disagree. If most agree, someone proposes a fix, and then at some > point that fix is implemented. > > The alternative that you propose is boiling the ocean. That's hard enough > with a team full of dedicated professionals, slugging it out every day; I > refer you to redhat.com as proof. Tackling that same task with > *volunteers* is an impossibility. > Im not proposing an impossible. Right now the way the website is being held is "hey i think this should be in the website", then somebody who has access and can commit changes, makes the change and thats all. So the websites is quickly getting into lots of "small" ideas with no common goal in mind. > Am I wrong? Do we all remember the work that we put into setting up the > Plone instance for our Fedora Content Management System? And after the > infrastructure team took weeks to get that thing configured, *no one* did > *anything* with it. *Nothing*. > > In your other note, you mentioned news as a problem. I agree. Fedora > Weekly News should be on the front page, as should the Fedora Planet. > Either of these can be accomplished with a quick mock-up. > Thats something to discuss and is one of the reason of this efforts. Does really the planet need to be in the front page?... why?... wouldnt that make having planet.fedoraproject.org useless?... if we have the planet on the frontpage then why would we need planet.fedoraproject.org? This kind of questions are the ones that we need to answer in order to focus the web (fp.o) to achive A goal. And i say A goal and not THE goal because currently there is no goal for the website, there is just lot of ideas together ( i think im repeating myself... ) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 06:19:21 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:49:21 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > We are trying to consolidate the website team as a TEAM not as some > individuals that have good ideas and where everbody do what they think > should be done so this is not just "my effort" but a common idea in the > website team im just being the point of contat between the Website team > and the Marketing team. Teams are just individuals working along with others. If you propose mockups and I provide feedback, then we are a team. Nothing fancy about that. > I already proposed a very similar idea some time ago before quaid > proposed his. The difference of course is that quaid went ahead and did something about it so I understand his ideas very well. But so who decides what should be in the website?, why is > not quaid idea being implemented yet as it seems very functional?.... You might want to talk to Ricky and get his thoughts on that and offer to help. He is the contact point you want. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 06:25:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:55:58 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209622636.3341.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209622636.3341.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48196276.2060804@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Thats something to discuss and is one of the reason of this efforts. > Does really the planet need to be in the front page?... why?... wouldnt > that make having planet.fedoraproject.org useless?... if we have the > planet on the frontpage then why would we need planet.fedoraproject.org? I am not sure this is even a serious question but having planet in the front page doesn't mean having the whole thing in there. Showing the previews of the latest feeds like in quaid's mockup shows a active community and adds a personal touch to the project. This doesn't make planet.fp.o redundant. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:38:00 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 01:38:00 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:49 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > We are trying to consolidate the website team as a TEAM not as some > > individuals that have good ideas and where everbody do what they think > > should be done so this is not just "my effort" but a common idea in the > > website team im just being the point of contat between the Website team > > and the Marketing team. > > Teams are just individuals working along with others. If you propose > mockups and I provide feedback, then we are a team. Nothing fancy about > that. > I totally agree with you, but have in mind that a team needs a goal > > I already proposed a very similar idea some time ago before quaid > > proposed his. > > The difference of course is that quaid went ahead and did something > about it so I understand his ideas very well. > > But so who decides what should be in the website?, why is > > not quaid idea being implemented yet as it seems very functional?.... > > You might want to talk to Ricky and get his thoughts on that and offer > to help. He is the contact point you want. ?I also did something, not just proposed and idea. I made a functional script with such features and merged it with some cool mockups and presented them in a functional way. I also talked to ricky, and ricky agrees that some things needs to be done to make the website better. As i said before this is not just my idea. For the next meeting im to propose a new vision for the website and thats why i need your help. A real goal for the website needs to be set so we dont get just lotss of small ideas with no goal in mind in the web. ?please refer to the meeting minutes if you still dont understand my points specially the section that talks about Future fedora websites http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-04-30 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 06:46:11 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:16:11 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:49 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: >> >>> We are trying to consolidate the website team as a TEAM not as some >>> individuals that have good ideas and where everbody do what they think >>> should be done so this is not just "my effort" but a common idea in the >>> website team im just being the point of contat between the Website team >>> and the Marketing team. >> Teams are just individuals working along with others. If you propose >> mockups and I provide feedback, then we are a team. Nothing fancy about >> that. >> > > I totally agree with you, but have in mind that a team needs a goal Is that like a mission statements or list of objectives? Do you have anything in mind? The general purpose of our website would be primarily for end users: A overview Place to download the distribution. What architectures? What methods to download? What's the differences between them and which one is right for me? Help and documentation Communicate with others users --- For contributors: How do I join? What are the steps? What kind of help are the sub projects looking for? Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:56:11 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 01:56:11 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 12:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:49 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > >> > >>> We are trying to consolidate the website team as a TEAM not as some > >>> individuals that have good ideas and where everbody do what they think > >>> should be done so this is not just "my effort" but a common idea in the > >>> website team im just being the point of contat between the Website team > >>> and the Marketing team. > >> Teams are just individuals working along with others. If you propose > >> mockups and I provide feedback, then we are a team. Nothing fancy about > >> that. > >> > > > > I totally agree with you, but have in mind that a team needs a goal > > Is that like a mission statements or list of objectives? Do you have > anything in mind? > > The general purpose of our website would be primarily for end users: > > A overview > Place to download the distribution. What architectures? What methods to > download? What's the differences between them and which one is right for me? > Help and documentation > Communicate with others users > > --- > > For contributors: > > How do I join? > What are the steps? > What kind of help are the sub projects looking for? > Good, thats an excellent starting point and i definitely have that in my mind, now as we are using the website to promote the project we need to find the way to show that information, but to provide it we need it first. Having those ideas you just mentioned in mind, we need to specify the content that will succeed to answer those questions you propose, so thats why im asking for help as i can find some information useful but it doesnt mean that it will be usefull for everybody. At the end of this i would like to tell the guys at the website team "this is the goal of the site, and according to the people this content is the one that best fulfill our needs in order to reach the goal". I dont want it to be just "my idea" as i could perfectly start working on it and just present what i think should be there (which is how things have been done before). From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 07:21:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:51:09 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Good, thats an excellent starting point and i definitely have that in my > mind, now as we are using the website to promote the project we need to > find the way to show that information, but to provide it we need it > first. Having those ideas you just mentioned in mind, we need to specify > the content that will succeed to answer those questions you propose, so > thats why im asking for help as i can find some information useful but > it doesnt mean that it will be usefull for everybody. It would be useful if you show what information you have found. This was already given several times before but let me try again: Front page mockups: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/websites/index-rss.html Mo suggested using http://gnome.org like single banner instead of a series of screenshots. So you might to consider that. A mockup to show this is availabe at http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png The download page should be integrate some of the details from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download Intel, AMD pcs sound more familiar to people compared to x86 architecture for example. Look at what other distributions do in the same space for some comparisons. There is a explanation of bittorrent and how to make use of it. Jidgo is explained in http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/jigdo/ More details at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora Spins needs a better site at http://spins.fedoraproject.org. Mo's ideas at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00000.html Chitlesh used some of that at http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Hope that helps. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 19:03:30 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:30 +0100 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> It looks like we got there with this thread :) Thanks for the excellent info Rahul, as always! I just thought I'd give a quite bit of background for this so everyone was on the same page - feel free to correct me if I get any of this wrong! There was a thread on the websites-list recently: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-April/msg00352.html The conversation pretty much decided that although there's a fair number of people on the websites list, there are very few who contribute patches and real work. To try and remedy this we held a meeting to figure out how we can turn the websites team into a larger, more effective group who get things done. At the meeting loads of things were discussed but one of the key points was that we need a bigger vision for the websites team so we have a general direction to be moving in, while keeping an eye on the day to day running along side this. It was also figured that we need people to liase with key other teams such as Marketing, Docs and Art and Juan is doing Marketing (and a good job too - the information you've dug up already is going to help!) To try and keep stuff on track we'll be holding regular meetings and reviewing progress and assigning tasks too. The meeting info can be found at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings Best wishes all, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 1 19:27:09 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits Message-ID: Hi all: Some transparency. As you know, right around the time of a release, a number of press outlets are interested in trying out Fedora 9 and interviewing the Fedora Project Leader about the new release. With Kara's help, we've put together a Press Kit for these media folks, which includes a Live USB key, a Fedora sticker, and the attached document which gives a brief overview of the Live USB and a few general facts about Fedora to press. This will then be supplemented by the interviews that Paul gives, which go into specific detail about various features of the release, and cool stuff happening in our community. So far, we've only sent out 2 of these. But there will be more next week. So if you have any suggestions, please make them here on the list. It is imperative that the document remain only one page in length. --Max -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: press-kit.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38895 bytes Desc: URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 1 19:31:10 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194A54.1060204@fedoraproject.org> <1209617282.3341.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48194E43.3010303@fedoraproject.org> <1209618839.3341.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > I think there's this assumption that the current Fedora website is > terribly useless. But I look at the front page of fedoraproject.org, > and I see *exactly* what I think I *should* see. Here's what I said in the Websites meeting yesterday: The two most important actions someone can take are GETTING FEDORA and JOINING FEDORA. I would like to see one group of people focus on making the CONTENT for the Join page as great as possible. I would like to see another group of people lead the charge on making GET FEDORA as useful as possible, which includes making it DEAD SIMPLE for people to just grab the Gnome or KDE spins, and also giving people a way to browse all the spins that are available -- what spins.fp.o was meant to be. This second task is a legitimate Web Engineering Project. A third group of people should take responsibility for making sure that all of the Fedora Websites have a consistent look and feel. These are the three areas in which I am going to try to influence the direction of the Websites team. From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:31:16 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:31:16 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 20:03 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > It looks like we got there with this thread :) Thanks for the > excellent info Rahul, as always! > > I just thought I'd give a quite bit of background for this so everyone > was on the same page - feel free to correct me if I get any of this > wrong! > > There was a thread on the websites-list recently: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-April/msg00352.html > > The conversation pretty much decided that although there's a fair > number of people on the websites list, there are very few who > contribute patches and real work. To try and remedy this we held a > meeting to figure out how we can turn the websites team into a larger, > more effective group who get things done. > > At the meeting loads of things were discussed but one of the key > points was that we need a bigger vision for the websites team so we > have a general direction to be moving in, while keeping an eye on the > day to day running along side this. It was also figured that we need > people to liase with key other teams such as Marketing, Docs and Art > and Juan is doing Marketing (and a good job too - the information > you've dug up already is going to help!) > > To try and keep stuff on track we'll be holding regular meetings and > reviewing progress and assigning tasks too. > > The meeting info can be found at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings > > Best wishes all, > > Jon > Thanks Jon, i think i couldn't have explain the situation in a better way (which makes me think that the discussion here on the marketing list about this proposal was due to my failure to explain it) Also thanks Rahul for the info, that gives me a brief idea on where to start focusing the website. Now, im concerned with the lack of genearl information about the project in the current website. Im thinking on adding a section in which the project is explained. The thing is... taking a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview gives just too much information so im asking again, from the overview information and the general ideas about the project what would be better to highlight? From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:17:55 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:17:55 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910805011317q65390566j1b6fbceb947ba4b0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/1 Max Spevack : > With Kara's help, we've put together a Press Kit for these media folks, > which includes a Live USB key, a Fedora sticker, and the attached document > which gives a brief overview of the Live USB and a few general facts about > Fedora to press. excellent... now all I need to do is to setup my own 'news' website which is a thinly veiled rss aggregation.. and then show up asking for a Fedora press kit and I can finally get a fedora sticker! -jef"or I could just buy some color laserjet paper and run it through the color printer in my boss's office while he's not there."spaleta From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 21:23:57 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:23:57 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805011423r27711137sf4e220e1a0f90838@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/1 Max Spevack : > Hi all: > > Some transparency. As you know, right around the time of a release, a > number of press outlets are interested in trying out Fedora 9 and > interviewing the Fedora Project Leader about the new release. > > With Kara's help, we've put together a Press Kit for these media folks, > which includes a Live USB key, a Fedora sticker, and the attached document > which gives a brief overview of the Live USB and a few general facts about > Fedora to press. Awesome idea :) I think it looks great, and with the interviews that Paul gives, should definitely go a long way to helping people get the best picture of Fedora. > > This will then be supplemented by the interviews that Paul gives, which go > into specific detail about various features of the release, and cool stuff > happening in our community. > > So far, we've only sent out 2 of these. But there will be more next week. > So if you have any suggestions, please make them here on the list. It is > imperative that the document remain only one page in length. Nope, I can't think of any - just a big congratulations from me :) Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 21:28:26 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:28:26 +0100 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <604aa7910804301238p28234a25xef1d3e4636307f67@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910804301238p28234a25xef1d3e4636307f67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805011428l5fe75a9evdf5a7a2ff52a6d62@mail.gmail.com> 2008/4/30 Jeff Spaleta : > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Personally, I would like to see Jon rework his message and take point on > > this. Learn the lesson, apply the lesson. > > And he needs to find a way to reference url's to Fedora global usage > and contributor maps. > > More generally speaking.... with the 1000 to 1 value of pictures to > words in mind. What sort of useful things can we show laypress about > our project in the form or pretty graphs? > > The maps answer the question concerning the global nature of our usage > and contribution..succinctly. Are there other important concepts we > can get across to the laypress by data mining our own historic and > on-going processes and then prettying up into a useful graphic? What about graphs charting growth? I know we don't have loads of accurate information on this, but I heard talk a while back about being able to go back through the account info and find information about when people signed up...maybe something based around number of active contributors would be good? Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 23:00:11 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:30:11 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481A4B7B.70808@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: The thing is... taking a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview gives just too much information > so im asking again, from the overview information and the general ideas > about the project what would be better to highlight? It is best points about a project highlighted in a brief way. If you want to consolidate that even further, pick freedom and innovation. Things like "communicate" don't really belong there but it useful guidance for someone new. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 23:03:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:33:46 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi all: > > Some transparency. As you know, right around the time of a release, a > number of press outlets are interested in trying out Fedora 9 and > interviewing the Fedora Project Leader about the new release. > > With Kara's help, we've put together a Press Kit for these media folks, > which includes a Live USB key, a Fedora sticker, and the attached > document which gives a brief overview of the Live USB and a few general > facts about Fedora to press. > > This will then be supplemented by the interviews that Paul gives, which > go into specific detail about various features of the release, and cool > stuff happening in our community. > > So far, we've only sent out 2 of these. But there will be more next > week. So if you have any suggestions, please make them here on the > list. It is imperative that the document remain only one page in length. The preview release is not the same as a release candidate as the document implies. The preview release is the start of the stabilization phase and development freeze. Instead of "does not offer paid support contracts", point out the presence of community support/help. Expand "OS" as operating system. "make to package set ..." can be altered as "changes to software or settings" Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Thu May 1 23:18:13 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:18:13 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <481A4B7B.70808@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481A4B7B.70808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209683893.8200.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 04:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > The thing is... taking a look at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview gives just too much information > > so im asking again, from the overview information and the general ideas > > about the project what would be better to highlight? > > It is best points about a project highlighted in a brief way. If you > want to consolidate that even further, pick freedom and innovation. > Things like "communicate" don't really belong there but it useful > guidance for someone new. > > Rahul > Thanks for the guidance, im alredy working on it.. and soon there will be something to show so you all can give some feedback specially about the content. Another question i have is, do we have some explanation about each media that we provide?, i could fin explanation on whats the difference between the Live media (general idea) and Installation dvd, but i cant seem to find a description about what is the Desktop Live CD or KDE Live CD... also information about spins would be good. If somebody know where to find that info please point me to it as i've been looking at the wiki and havent found anything yet. On the other side.. if there is no such information would somebody help me write a description for each of the installation mediums we currently have and lack of that info? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 1 23:41:43 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 05:11:43 +0530 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209683893.8200.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481A4B7B.70808@fedoraproject.org> <1209683893.8200.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481A5537.80007@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > Another question i have is, do we have some explanation about each media > that we provide?, i could fin explanation on whats the difference > between the Live media (general idea) and Installation dvd, but i cant > seem to find a description about what is the Desktop Live CD or KDE Live > CD... also information about spins would be good. Fedora Desktop Spin: This spin is for Fedora users on desktops and laptops. It combines the best of breed software packages that a typical home user would use that fits into a CD. Fedora KDE Spin: This spin is a alternative to the Fedora Desktop Live CD but showcases and focuses on KDE software and is a great option for KDE fans. Ditto for Fedora Xfce spin. Good for low resource systems. Fedora Electronics Lab Spin : This spin helps professionals and students design, simulate and program electronic systems. Included are tools for analog and digital simulation, circuit simulation, hardware development, micro-controller development, and embedded systems development. Fedora Games Spin: This spin is a Live DVD that allows you to explore the wonderful and fun gaming potential of Fedora without altering your existing setup. Included are a variety of modern, 3-D shooters such as Nexuiz and Quake 3, along with classics such as Freeciv and Nethack! Fedora Developer Spin: This spin is a Live DVD jam-packed with various development applications, such as Eclipse, Anjuta, git, cvs, lynx, emacs, and a hex editor; and build tools like GCC, Inkscape, Koji, createrepo, mock, rpmdevtools, rpmlint and much more. You might want to highlight livecd-tools, liveusb-creator and newly added support for persistence. Encryption and partition resizing support in Anaconda along with liveusb-creator on Windows provides a good migration path. http://lewk.org/blog/liveusb-creator-2.0.html Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 03:17:59 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:17:59 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> ?So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M?ir?n's mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should appear on the site. The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the project really is. I think that information really needs to be reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about that. Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will display news depending on the language selected (right now that website only works in English). Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many information and options that may get new users to get lost, some improvements are to be made so the process get better and more intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section starts. That's pretty much all i have to show, feel free to get the code from the site and do some improvements where you see fit. From kwade at redhat.com Fri May 2 04:09:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:09:40 -0700 Subject: Fedora and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011428l5fe75a9evdf5a7a2ff52a6d62@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804290856x673a3643k4e32bd44b225e67e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0804290913j30c03e0cmab921d4efefc4770@mail.gmail.com> <48174CF2.70806@fedoraproject.org> <4817516B.60306@redhat.com> <507738ef0804291044m7b651b92ia4800e3ffb6355c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910804301238p28234a25xef1d3e4636307f67@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805011428l5fe75a9evdf5a7a2ff52a6d62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209701380.13073.268.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:28 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > What about graphs charting growth? I know we don't have loads of > accurate information on this, but I heard talk a while back about > being able to go back through the account info and find information > about when people signed up...maybe something based around number of > active contributors would be good? Combined with geographical data to make a looping animated heat map of growth of contributors? The looping animated heat map seems pretty compelling for showing growth of all sorts of things sliced with geography. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other thing, I came up with draft content for a "get help" page a while ago, that pointed people specifically to the locations where they can get end-user support. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport Might be useful for you. > > Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of > the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will > display news depending on the language selected (right now that website > only works in English). > Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though > right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user > should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many > information and options that may get new users to get lost, some > improvements are to be made so the process get better and more > intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and > again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section > starts. I think this is potentially a big improvement. One thing that Paul mentioned on his thoughts on a new "get-fedora" page was that it should be easy for developers to see all the techno-babble and not get pulled down through lots of description - so maybe make sure there's a link in there to all the mirror servers that's easily accessible? Looking forward to discussing this at the meeting next week... Best, Jon From nayyares at gmail.com Fri May 2 08:12:42 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:12:42 +0200 Subject: My explanation on Fedora's LifeCycle Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30805020112m29b6b682t9699f21a8e766b33@mail.gmail.com> Hi *, I tried to explain Fedora's fast releasing myth with shorter Life Cycle, I would appreciate if someone correct me on any mistake... I d'nt want to spread something **wrong**. Thanks -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hod at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 11:18:38 2008 From: hod at fedoraproject.org (Holger =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F6rner?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:18:38 +0200 Subject: My explanation on Fedora's LifeCycle In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30805020112m29b6b682t9699f21a8e766b33@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30805020112m29b6b682t9699f21a8e766b33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209727118.2589.17.camel@workstation.homenet> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 10:12 +0200, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi *, > > I tried to explain Fedora's fast releasing myth with shorter Life > Cycle, I would appreciate if someone correct me on any mistake... I > d'nt want to spread something **wrong**. > > Thanks +1 I like the way how you show up the difference betwene short and long release cycles. But there is a significant difference betwen "life cycle" and "release cycle", so I think it would be good to explain that too, many people think it's the same. I also agree with you at the point, that shorter release cycles are better for end-users. They *need* good and up-to-date hardware support, because they are buying the newest hardware. I think that is one of the most important reasons for someone to choose a linux distro, specifically for those switching from windows. All in all a good article and I'm curios what the others are thinking about. -- Holger D?rner Fedora Ambassador (Germany) - http://fedoraproject.org - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HolgerDoerner -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Fedora Project is committed to produce its every new version OS within 6 months time, while every release has end of life about 13 months." should instead be "The Fedora Project is committed to producing a new version approximately every 6 months, with each new release having a lifespan of approximately 13 months.". -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Fedora Project is > committed to produce its every new version OS within 6 months time, > while every release has end of life about 13 months." should instead be > "The Fedora Project is committed to producing a new version > approximately every 6 months, with each new release having a lifespan of > approximately 13 months.". Edited, Thanks > > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 2 13:02:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:02:39 +0000 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:17 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > ?So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M?ir?n's > mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few > months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be > done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should > appear on the site. > > The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index Suggestion: The "Principles" section is redundant since both the principles are highlighted already in the "About Fedora" section. You can probably eliminate it. > A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the > navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It > tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the > project really is. I think that information really needs to be > reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about > that. Suggestion: I'm not bowled over by having almost 1/3 of the content devoted to talking about why we don't have MP3 out of the box. The page should concentrate on positives. Maybe that source text could use a bit of revision. Fedora is about more than just codecs and we should use this space to talk about all the other things you can do with (and in) Fedora. Really this suggestion speaks more to the need for a revision of the "Overview" page. I had spoken up about doing this before and simply haven't had a chance to take care of it. I've pushed it up on my ToDo list accordingly. :-) > Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of > the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will > display news depending on the language selected (right now that website > only works in English). Design suggestion: Have the box a much more muted grey color (very light) and change the links to the color of the ones on the left. Or mute the blue out and have those links appear as white text. Something that doesn't draw the eye so easily away from the center of the page. > Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though > right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user > should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many > information and options that may get new users to get lost, some > improvements are to be made so the process get better and more > intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and > again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section > starts. I wrote a proposed workflow in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like it's responding very quickly to the user's input. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri May 2 13:57:29 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:57:29 -0700 Subject: whimsical release announcement process Message-ID: <1209736649.13073.296.camel@calliope.phig.org> JonRob has kindly agreed to write the whimsical release announcement for en_*. I am working on updating the overall process for how that is handled in all languages. The key is, they derive from these talking points: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary#Release_Talking_Points The process is being updated here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseAnnouncements The common practice in the past is to let the whimsical announcement author run their ideas (and drafts) past whomever they chose, rather than write it entirely in the open. This preserves the surprise and some of the fun of this announcement. Jon -- do that part as you prefer. I'll try to find a way to reflect that in the process. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 14:46:58 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:46:58 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209739618.3455.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:17 -0500, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > ?So I've made some changes to the current layout again using M?ir?n's > > mockups (probably somebody might remember the proposal i did a few > > months ago). This time i avoided doing just what i though it should be > > done and actually asked for some help to get the content that should > > appear on the site. > > > > The proposal is here: http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/index > > Suggestion: The "Principles" section is redundant since both the > principles are highlighted already in the "About Fedora" section. You > can probably eliminate it. > I agree, its just that i added the content of the About fedora section after editing the front page so i didnt really looked the front page again. Anyway... ill remove them :) > > A new section to fp.o was added under the 'What is fedora?' link on the > > navigation bar, where some basic info about the project appears. It > > tries to fill the hole left by the lack of information about what the > > project really is. I think that information really needs to be > > reviewed and approved by the community so i expect some feedback about > > that. > > Suggestion: I'm not bowled over by having almost 1/3 of the content > devoted to talking about why we don't have MP3 out of the box. The page > should concentrate on positives. Maybe that source text could use a bit > of revision. Fedora is about more than just codecs and we should use > this space to talk about all the other things you can do with (and in) > Fedora. > > Really this suggestion speaks more to the need for a revision of the > "Overview" page. I had spoken up about doing this before and simply > haven't had a chance to take care of it. I've pushed it up on my ToDo > list accordingly. :-) > Great, thats the whole idea, i didnt like showing the reasons not to use mp3 but thats the information i found on the wiki. Please let me/us know about the revision when its donw so we it can be added to the site > > Also (and is not a new idea) there is the news bar to the right side of > > the page. It works but it still needs some improvements so it will > > display news depending on the language selected (right now that website > > only works in English). > > Design suggestion: Have the box a much more muted grey color (very > light) and change the links to the color of the ones on the left. Or > mute the blue out and have those links appear as white text. Something > that doesn't draw the eye so easily away from the center of the page. > Totally agree with you, but as im not a designer myself i'll let that aspect of the website to somebody who has some skills on web design (probably somebody from the art team) > > Another change that was made is the 'Get Fedora' section. Even though > > right now the section is not functional, it shows the workflow a user > > should follow in order to get fedora. While it seems to have so many > > information and options that may get new users to get lost, some > > improvements are to be made so the process get better and more > > intuitive, so for now i would like you guys to check the workflow and > > again give some feedback before the real work on the Get Fedora section > > starts. > > I wrote a proposed workflow in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > I did had in mind your workflow proposal when working on the Get Fedora section and we discussed some changes that should be done to it (like having first the architecture decision), but pretty much what you see in the proposal is the result of what you proposed there plus some minor changes (if im wrong please let me know exactly what we missed/did wrong). Also there will be a link for a much more direct way to get the installation media ... something like a "already know what you want?.. get it here" link, so people who already know what they are after can get it without having to answer each of the questions btw, i dont understand that "human-flavored question" you talked about (sorry but i just cant understand the expression) > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. > Thats exactly what its gonna be done, and right now im working on making that happen. I was just waiting for some feedback on the workflow and to get to know the javascript framework that should be used Also if anyone see fit to add some other section/content let me know so we cand discuss it and if its the case, work on it this week to have it ready for the next websites meeting. From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 15:12:08 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The preview release is not the same as a release candidate as the > document implies. The preview release is the start of the > stabilization phase and development freeze. > > Instead of "does not offer paid support contracts", point out the > presence of community support/help. > > Expand "OS" as operating system. > > "make to package set ..." can be altered as "changes to software or > settings" All those changes will be made before any more are sent out. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 15:12:32 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805011423r27711137sf4e220e1a0f90838@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805011423r27711137sf4e220e1a0f90838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Awesome idea :) I think it looks great, and with the interviews that > Paul gives, should definitely go a long way to helping people get the > best picture of Fedora. Did you notice the line that's in there just for you, JonRob? :) --Max From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 2 15:11:29 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <481A5537.80007@fedoraproject.org> References: <1209616761.3341.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481954E5.6010701@fedoraproject.org> <1209620740.3341.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48195B53.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <1209621812.3341.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481960E9.4030202@fedoraproject.org> <1209623880.3341.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196733.7080607@fedoraproject.org> <1209624971.16332.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48196F65.7010303@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805011203r4e6fadcem6d6724f2001d04ea@mail.gmail.com> <1209670276.13016.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481A4B7B.70808@fedoraproject.org> <1209683893.8200.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <481A5537.80007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > > > Another question i have is, do we have some explanation about each media > > that we provide?, i could fin explanation on whats the difference > > between the Live media (general idea) and Installation dvd, but i cant > > seem to find a description about what is the Desktop Live CD or KDE Live > > CD... also information about spins would be good. > > Fedora Desktop Spin: This spin is for Fedora users on desktops and laptops. It > combines the best of breed software packages that a typical home user would > use that fits into a CD. > > Fedora KDE Spin: This spin is a alternative to the Fedora Desktop Live CD but > showcases and focuses on KDE software and is a great option for KDE fans. > > Ditto for Fedora Xfce spin. Good for low resource systems. > > Fedora Electronics Lab Spin : This spin helps professionals and students > design, simulate and program electronic systems. Included are tools for analog > and digital simulation, circuit simulation, hardware development, > micro-controller development, and embedded systems development. > One thing we'd talked about long ago for this was to have an xml file or something else on the wiki or fedorapeople for each spin where they can basically have a "Description = 'this is blah', summary='blah blah'" then, once we have the template in place, we populate it with that content. It'd allow the owners of each spin to update their page without having to go through someone. -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 15:15:32 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. --Max -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: press-kit.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38774 bytes Desc: URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 15:28:14 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:28:14 +0100 Subject: Fedora Overview Message-ID: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if this is what people had in mind for the re-worked version of this, but I wanted something easy to write to distract me from essay woes!! Oh, and links are missing from this... Thoughts and feedback always welcome :) ---------------------------- == What is Fedora? == Firstly, Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that aims to provide users with access to the latest free and open source software in a stable and easy to manage form. We strongly believe in the principles of the free and open source software that provides all the components of our operating system, and because of this we guarantee that Fedora will always be free for anybody to use, modify and distribute. Fedora, however, is more than just the software that makes up the operating system. It is a community of contributors based all across the world who work with each other to advance the interests of the free culture movement. Everyone is invited to join and no matter what your skills are, we have a place for you in our community! Currently, we have software engineers, artists, system administrators, web designers, writers, speakers and translators, all of whom will be happy to help you get started. == What makes Fedora different? == We aim to always do the right thing. This means that we provide only free and open source software, and we will fight to protect and promote solutions that enable anybody to make use of them. With this in mind, all of our developers are focused on working closely with upstream, to ensure that everyone can benefit from our work and get access to our changes as soon as possible - and because of the huge amount of innovation that Fedora drives, this has had significant and long lasting effects. Some of the recent developments in free and open source software that Fedora has driven include: * NetworkManager * D-Bus * OpenJDK * FreeIPA * SELinux * PulseAudio The reverse is also true: by sticking close to upstream development teams, Fedora gets the latest software before anybody else. Not only does this benefit our community, but it also benefits the upstream teams by providing a much larger audience and more feedback for them. Another striking difference of Fedora is our aim to empower others to persue their vision of what a free operating system should be like. We have opened up our build system and repositories to anybody who needs them, and as a result Fedora now forms the basis for derivative distributions such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the One Laptop Per Child XO and Creative Commons Live Content DVDs. And that's not all, it is even easy for individuals to create their own distribution thanks to Fedora's easy re-spinning tools. They allow you to quickly select the packages you want, and create a live CD or installation disc. Some official versions of Fedora have grown up this way, including: * Fedora XFCE Spin * Fedora Electronics Lab * Fedora Developers Spin * Fedora Games Spin * Fedora Hindi Spin == How do I get Fedora? == Easy, just visit this page and download it. You can try it without installing anything on your computer thanks to our live CDs or live USBs - in fact, you can even create a live USB stick from within Windows! If you have a slow internet connection, or no internet connection at all, then you can still get Fedora thanks to our Free Media programme. == How do I join Fedora? == Like what you see and want to help out? That's easy too! This page has all the information you need, and don't forget that all our contributors get access to some awesome tools to help them get their work done: * Fedora People provides free webspace for hosting Fedora related content * Fedora Planet is an aggregation of contributor blogs so you can see what everyone is up to * Fedora Hosted is the perfect location for hosting your project * Fedora's own Gobby server, so we can collaboratively work on documents in real time * Hundreads of other people's skills and experience! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 15:31:00 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:01:00 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 15:34:56 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:34:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805020834w35159c56k3615255160cf1a4d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/2 Jonathan Roberts : > I don't know if this is what people had in mind for the re-worked > version of this, but I wanted something easy to write to distract me > from essay woes!! Oh, and links are missing from this... Actually, thinking about it, I wish I could have found more time to talk about all the other stuff that goes on such as the infra team, docs, art, websites etc etc!! Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 15:39:21 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:39:21 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: >> New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. > > Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or > do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 15:41:01 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:11:01 +0530 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481B360D.7050808@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: [Quick notes] that Fedora drives, this has had significant and > long lasting effects. Some of the recent developments in free and open > source software that Fedora has driven include: > > * NetworkManager > * D-Bus > * OpenJDK > * FreeIPA > * SELinux > * PulseAudio We can't take much credit for OpenJDK. Sure Fedora has done IcedTea and to be in distributions like Fedora out of the box was one of Sun's goals in open sourcing it but 95% of the work has been done outside of Fedora. If you want to pick a desktop components, there are several others like HAL, PolicyKit, PackageKit etc you can highlight. > The reverse is also true: by sticking close to upstream development > teams, Fedora gets the latest software before anybody else. Not always but usually. . Some official versions of Fedora have grown up this > way, including: > > * Fedora XFCE Spin > * Fedora Electronics Lab > * Fedora Developers Spin > * Fedora Games Spin > * Fedora Hindi Spin It is now officially refered to as "Xfce" and not "XFCE" since the historic acronym (Xforms) does not even apply anymore. Skip the last one and move electronics lab as first. > * Fedora Hosted is the perfect location for hosting your project ... your free and open source projects. I wouldn't mind retaining most of the references from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 17:28:34 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:28:34 +0100 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <481B360D.7050808@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <481B360D.7050808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0805021028h6fc1bfe1j4561472e36c6427a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/2 Rahul Sundaram : > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > [Quick notes] > > > > that Fedora drives, this has had significant and > > > long lasting effects. Some of the recent developments in free and open > > source software that Fedora has driven include: > > > > * NetworkManager > > * D-Bus > > * OpenJDK > > * FreeIPA > > * SELinux > > * PulseAudio > > > > We can't take much credit for OpenJDK. Sure Fedora has done IcedTea and to > be in distributions like Fedora out of the box was one of Sun's goals in > open sourcing it but 95% of the work has been done outside of Fedora. If you > want to pick a desktop components, there are several others like HAL, > PolicyKit, PackageKit etc you can highlight. OK - good point! It was a arbitrary list so we can definitely revise this :) > > > > > The reverse is also true: by sticking close to upstream development > > teams, Fedora gets the latest software before anybody else. > > > > Not always but usually. I'll be sure to revise my phrasing here... > > > . Some official versions of Fedora have grown up this > > > way, including: > > > > * Fedora XFCE Spin > > * Fedora Electronics Lab > > * Fedora Developers Spin > > * Fedora Games Spin > > * Fedora Hindi Spin > > > > It is now officially refered to as "Xfce" and not "XFCE" since the historic > acronym (Xforms) does not even apply anymore. Skip the last one and move > electronics lab as first. Oh, I quite liked the idea of showing that people are taking Fedora and making it local to themselves? > > > > > > * Fedora Hosted is the perfect location for hosting your project > > > > ... your free and open source projects. I wouldn't mind retaining most of > the references from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Agreed, it would definitely be useful to work in most of those links :) I'll wait until there's some more feedback and then take a crack at revising it with suggestions in mind. Thanks Rahul, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 17:35:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:05:34 +0530 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805021028h6fc1bfe1j4561472e36c6427a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <481B360D.7050808@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805021028h6fc1bfe1j4561472e36c6427a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481B50E6.7040507@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Oh, I quite liked the idea of showing that people are taking Fedora > and making it local to themselves? Then you want to promote the concept of localized spins or the tools themselves. Hindi Spin isn't a stellar example of that (yes, I did it) since we didn't even announce it yet due to lack of space in holding rest of the Indic spins. When the spins SIG gets more involved, we can surely highlight this particular aspect better with more actual spins in place. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 17:40:13 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:40:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <481B50E6.7040507@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <481B360D.7050808@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805021028h6fc1bfe1j4561472e36c6427a@mail.gmail.com> <481B50E6.7040507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0805021040m36753d22x9d39480a5c791357@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/2 Rahul Sundaram : > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > > > Oh, I quite liked the idea of showing that people are taking Fedora > > and making it local to themselves? > > > > Then you want to promote the concept of localized spins or the tools > themselves. Hindi Spin isn't a stellar example of that (yes, I did it) since > we didn't even announce it yet due to lack of space in holding rest of the > Indic spins. When the spins SIG gets more involved, we can surely highlight > this particular aspect better with more actual spins in place. OK, sounds like a plan for now :) Jon From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 18:05:12 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:05:12 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I wrote a proposed workflow in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. I have updated the website and now it use some basic javascript to achieve what you proposed. Check http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora to see the workflow in action. Now every step appears right after the previous step is selected (except for the first one). Notice that the second step which let the user select the installation media or spins, only shows options according to the architecture selected in the previous step so there wont be confusion on which "flavors" are available for each arch. Probably someone with more experience in jQuery can do better than me to handle the form as im not used to work with that framework. Hope you like what you see there :) From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 2 18:18:57 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:18:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I wrote a proposed workflow in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > > > > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. > > I have updated the website and now it use some basic javascript to > achieve what you proposed. > > Check http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora to see the > workflow in action. Now every step appears right after the previous step > is selected (except for the first one). Notice that the second step > which let the user select the installation media or spins, only shows > options according to the architecture selected in the previous step so > there wont be confusion on which "flavors" are available for each arch. > > Probably someone with more experience in jQuery can do better than me to > handle the form as im not used to work with that framework. > Looks nice. Two things (and if this was discussed and decided against then ignore me). My clickstream to download from get-fedora used to be one click. Is there any discussions about an expert mode or something that just "takes me to the mirror list and torrent" ? Second thing (not a reflection on the site design): We _REALLY_ need to figure out what we're going to do about spins. We're on our second or third release where we have spins... Except we don't really have spins. Exactly what is the problem here? From infrastructure's side we can now build and host spins so I'm boggled as to where they are. We prominantly talk about spins but do we know what the demand to build and download spins? -Mike From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 18:42:28 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:42:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Max Spevack wrote: >>> New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. >> >> Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or >> do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. > > I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes Okay, what do you think? http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf I designed it in Scribus. The Scribus source file (*.sla) is in the same dir) I'm going back now to incorporate the changes in the latest draft since this was based off the first draft. ~m From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 2 18:41:44 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:41:44 -0500 Subject: New Content for fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <1209698279.21800.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209733359.4731.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1209751512.4010.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1209753704.4010.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:18 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Fri, 2 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I wrote a proposed workflow in > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/NewGetFedora which you could > > > refer to. It's very important that this page follow some guidelines > > > like avoiding jargon and asking human-flavored questions. > > > > > > I really feel that the page should use JavaScript to present only one > > > question at a time, hiding and unhiding page elements as needed so the > > > user doesn't feel overwhelemed by the process, yet the page feels like > > > it's responding very quickly to the user's input. > > > > I have updated the website and now it use some basic javascript to > > achieve what you proposed. > > > > Check http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora to see the > > workflow in action. Now every step appears right after the previous step > > is selected (except for the first one). Notice that the second step > > which let the user select the installation media or spins, only shows > > options according to the architecture selected in the previous step so > > there wont be confusion on which "flavors" are available for each arch. > > > > Probably someone with more experience in jQuery can do better than me to > > handle the form as im not used to work with that framework. > > > > Looks nice. Two things (and if this was discussed and decided against > then ignore me). My clickstream to download from get-fedora used to be > one click. Is there any discussions about an expert mode or something > that just "takes me to the mirror list and torrent" ? > Yest, there will be an option to just show the mirror list or something very similar to what we currently have, not only for cases like yours, in which people already know what they want, but to have as a fall back in case no javascript is enabled in the client browser. > > Second thing (not a reflection on the site design): > > We _REALLY_ need to figure out what we're going to do about spins. We're > on our second or third release where we have spins... Except we don't > really have spins. Exactly what is the problem here? From > infrastructure's side we can now build and host spins so I'm boggled as to > where they are. We prominantly talk about spins but do we know what the > demand to build and download spins? Probably the lack of attention that is given to spins in current fp.o is what makes us think that spins are passing unnoticed. ?In the case of Get Fedora as for every installation media i want the spins to have a short description so people get to know what they are. Also I'll be working on the spins layout as i said in the meeting, although you said something about letting the owners of each spin control the content/info about their releases. So, i dont know what you people think about that but i cant get off the idea of making something like a CMS with a default template in which only content and images would be customized by every spin owner, who might have something like an "administrator" panel to work on it. Anyway thats just an idea. From rtlm10 at gmail.com Fri May 2 18:53:42 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:53:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130805021153u30861da9p36db9471a5d19ac9@mail.gmail.com> Can we get some of the "Fedora Firsts" as bullets in the Quick Facts section? It would help to differentiate Fedora from the other distros out there. 2008/5/2 Max Spevack : > New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. > > --Max > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 19:06:08 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:06:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Max Spevack wrote: >>>> New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. >>> >>> Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white >>> or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. >> >> I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes > > Okay, what do you think? > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf > > I designed it in Scribus. The Scribus source file (*.sla) is in the same > dir) I'm going back now to incorporate the changes in the latest draft > since this was based off the first draft. The version at the URL above now reflects the text of the latest draft. ~m From rtlm10 at gmail.com Fri May 2 19:46:07 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:46:07 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130805021246t52e8e3ayad6b6c25c390c372@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:06 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Okay, what do you think? > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf > > > > I designed it in Scribus. The Scribus source file (*.sla) is in the same > dir) I'm going back now to incorporate the changes in the latest draft since > this was based off the first draft. > > > > The version at the URL above now reflects the text of the latest draft. Understood, I was replying directly to Max's message with the latest draft text. The design looks great by the way! I wish I had a tiny smidgen of your artistic skills. Russell From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 20:02:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:32:22 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B734E.7040308@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>> Max Spevack wrote: >>>>> New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. >>>> >>>> Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white >>>> or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. >>> >>> I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes >> >> Okay, what do you think? >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf Much better. Good work. Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 20:39:09 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or > do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. It prints out in color :) From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 20:40:41 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Okay, what do you think? >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf BRILLIANT! I will be sending several more of these next week, and maybe Kara can find us even more contacts, since now we have such a beautiful document. Mo, you rock so much. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 2 20:47:30 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > The version at the URL above now reflects the text of the latest > draft. I have one more tweak to ask for: Can we update that second paragraph to say this: The Fedora Project maintains each version of Fedora with updates and security fixes for approximately 13 months, and offers a wide variety of community-led support resources. Beautiful layout, by the way. :) --Max From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 2 21:46:11 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:46:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <481B8BA3.5060802@fedoraproject.org> Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> The version at the URL above now reflects the text of the latest draft. > > I have one more tweak to ask for: > > Can we update that second paragraph to say this: > > The Fedora Project maintains each version of Fedora with updates and > security fixes for approximately 13 months, and offers a wide variety of > community-led support resources. Sure thing, the latest should be up on that URL now: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf > > Beautiful layout, by the way. :) Thanks :) ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 3 12:42:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 18:12:41 +0530 Subject: Linux Fest Northwest 2008 and Fedora presentations Message-ID: <481C5DC1.1090207@fedoraproject.org> Hi Two presentations by Jesse Keating. Slides, videos and report at http://jkeating.livejournal.com/59623.html Must watch. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sat May 3 20:28:18 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:28:18 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1209846498.6847.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:40 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > >> Okay, what do you think? > >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf > > BRILLIANT! I will be sending several more of these next week, and maybe > Kara can find us even more contacts, since now we have such a beautiful > document. > > Mo, you rock so much. Can I get a huge "HALLELUJAH!" ? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat May 3 20:40:48 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:40:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209847248.6847.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:28 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I don't know if this is what people had in mind for the re-worked > version of this, but I wanted something easy to write to distract me > from essay woes!! Oh, and links are missing from this... > > Thoughts and feedback always welcome :) > > ---------------------------- > > == What is Fedora? == > > Firstly, Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that aims to provide ^^^^^^^ Be BOLD! > users with access to the latest free and open source software in a > stable and easy to manage form. We strongly believe in the principles > of the free and open source software that provides all the components > of our operating system, and because of this we guarantee that Fedora > will always be free for anybody to use, modify and distribute. Instead: "Firstly, Fedora is a ?Linux-based operating system that provides users with access to the latest free and open source software, in a stable and easy to manage form. We strongly believe in the bedrock principles that provide all the components of our operating system. Because of this we guarantee that Fedora will always be free for anybody, anywhere, to use, modify and distribute." > Fedora, however, is more than just the software that makes up the > operating system. It is a community of contributors based all across > the world who work with each other to advance the interests of the > free culture movement. Everyone is invited to join and no matter what > your skills are, we have a place for you in our community! Currently, > we have software engineers, artists, system administrators, web > designers, writers, speakers and translators, all of whom will be > happy to help you get started. > > == What makes Fedora different? == > > We aim to always do the right thing. This means that we provide only > free and open source software, and we will fight to protect and > promote solutions that enable anybody to make use of them. With this > in mind, all of our developers are focused on working closely with > upstream, to ensure that everyone can benefit from our work and get > access to our changes as soon as possible - and because of the huge > amount of innovation that Fedora drives, this has had significant and > long lasting effects. Some of the recent developments in free and open > source software that Fedora has driven include: > > * NetworkManager > * D-Bus > * OpenJDK > * FreeIPA > * SELinux > * PulseAudio > > The reverse is also true: by sticking close to upstream development > teams, Fedora gets the latest software before anybody else. Not only > does this benefit our community, but it also benefits the upstream > teams by providing a much larger audience and more feedback for them. > > Another striking difference of Fedora is our aim to empower others to > persue their vision of what a free operating system should be like. We > have opened up our build system and repositories to anybody who needs > them, and as a result Fedora now forms the basis for derivative > distributions such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the One Laptop Per > Child XO and Creative Commons Live Content DVDs. "persue" ==> "pursue" Well, this is *mostly* true. "[W]e have opened up our build system and repositories to anybody who needs them" has some significant technical hurdles still to surmount. I'd strike this up to "as a result," and simply start that sentence "Fedora now forms..." > And that's not all, it is even easy for individuals to create their > own distribution thanks to Fedora's easy re-spinning tools. They allow > you to quickly select the packages you want, and create a live CD or > installation disc. Some official versions of Fedora have grown up this > way, including: > > * Fedora XFCE Spin > * Fedora Electronics Lab > * Fedora Developers Spin > * Fedora Games Spin > * Fedora Hindi Spin > > == How do I get Fedora? == > > Easy, just visit this page and download it. You can try it without > installing anything on your computer thanks to our live CDs or live > USBs - in fact, you can even create a live USB stick from within > Windows! > > If you have a slow internet connection, or no internet connection at > all, then you can still get Fedora thanks to our Free Media programme. You Brits and your crazy spelling. (KIDDING! Some of my best friends are Brits. No really.) ;-) > == How do I join Fedora? == > > Like what you see and want to help out? That's easy too! This page has > all the information you need, and don't forget that all our > contributors get access to some awesome tools to help them get their > work done: > > * Fedora People provides free webspace for hosting Fedora related content > * Fedora Planet is an aggregation of contributor blogs so you can see > what everyone is up to > * Fedora Hosted is the perfect location for hosting your project > * Fedora's own Gobby server, so we can collaboratively work on > documents in real time > * Hundreads of other people's skills and experience! ^^^^^^^^^ "Hundreds" Awesome job! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Jon From mike at miketc.com Sun May 4 13:27:29 2008 From: mike at miketc.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:27:29 -0500 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805040134j3df41ae0ia7a92eb36ceccdf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <1209847248.6847.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040134j3df41ae0ia7a92eb36ceccdf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209907649.10323.3.camel@scrappy.miketc.com> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 09:34 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, I've just made a quick version with Rahul and Paul's suggestions > included, along with links. I think we could do with a few more, and > some of them aren't displaying properly and I can't figure out why! > > If anyone's interested in taking a look, adding links etc, then it's > at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/Overview . > > Once that's done, and if people are happy, we could move this in > before the F9 release? I got some of the links to work, but D-Bus and HAL I can't seem to find a page that they should link to. Not being a developer type, don't d-bus and hal go hand in hand and could be one link (to whatever that might be)? Maybe edited a few lines, just to help straighten them out or whatever. Obviously feel free to edit if don't like them (nothing special or eye catching probably). -- Mike Chambers Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc.. mikec302 at fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 5 06:01:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:31:07 +0530 Subject: Abiword team interview In-Reply-To: <1207472767.3153.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47F7D4BA.5060100@fedoraproject.org> <1207472767.3153.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <481EA2A3.10502@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 01:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am working on a set of interviews with different upstream projects >> that have some involvement with Fedora. I have a rough draft of the >> interview I am doing with the Abiword team at >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/Interviews/Abiword >> >> Editorial help, additional questions, suggestions and feedback is welcome. > > I just read through it and did an editorial pass at the same time. I > think it's great :) The interview has now been completed. A editorial review again would be appreciated. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 5 06:32:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 12:02:03 +0530 Subject: Anatomy of Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) Message-ID: <481EA9E3.7000902@fedoraproject.org> Hi Fairly detailed technical description of what it is. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-selinux/?ca=dgr-lnxw02aSELinuxAnat&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GR Rahul From danishka at gmail.com Tue May 6 14:56:21 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:26:21 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 in 3lines Message-ID: As per media channel request I got an invitation to sit for a TV program (IT) in Sri Lanka. I have to speak about basically Fedora localization and I have a chance of highlighting the Fedora 9 release too. Recording will be held on tomorrow. Due to limited lime I have give short and sweet explanation for Fedora 9. 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Or do people think it needs more work? Thanks for the editing help all, Jon 2008/5/4 Mike Chambers : > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 09:34 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > OK, I've just made a quick version with Rahul and Paul's suggestions > > included, along with links. I think we could do with a few more, and > > some of them aren't displaying properly and I can't figure out why! > > > > If anyone's interested in taking a look, adding links etc, then it's > > at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/Overview . > > > > Once that's done, and if people are happy, we could move this in > > before the F9 release? > > I got some of the links to work, but D-Bus and HAL I can't seem to find > a page that they should link to. Not being a developer type, don't d-bus > and hal go hand in hand and could be one link (to whatever that might > be)? > > Maybe edited a few lines, just to help straighten them out or whatever. > Obviously feel free to edit if don't like them (nothing special or eye > catching probably). > > -- > Mike Chambers > Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc.. > mikec302 at fedoraproject.org > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mspevack at redhat.com Tue May 6 17:46:50 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 press kits In-Reply-To: <1209846498.6847.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <481A4C52.10200@fedoraproject.org> <481B33B4.8080103@fedoraproject.org> <481B35A9.60804@fedoraproject.org> <481B6094.1040003@fedoraproject.org> <481B6620.1090200@fedoraproject.org> <1209846498.6847.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 May 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> BRILLIANT! I will be sending several more of these next week, and >> maybe Kara can find us even more contacts, since now we have such a >> beautiful document. 4 more press kits went out yesterday. --Max From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Tue May 6 19:58:52 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:58:52 +0200 Subject: introducing myself :) Message-ID: <4820b888.05a0660a.3e4e.5331@mx.google.com> Hi! I think, it's polite to introduce myself, because I want to do some fedora actions in slovakia. My name is Patrik Cevela and I live in small town called Liptovsky Mikulas in Slovakia. Why i want to promote Fedora in my country? In Slovakia, many people knows Ubuntu or Kubuntu, but almost nobody knows Fedora and that is pretty frustrating for me. So, for the beginning I want to open webshop (later, with gods help, maybe stone shop) with T-Shirts, stickers and other stuff like that... Later, if I can find sponzors, some magazine Ads or even DVD addition in IT magazines. I am studying at High School so I have enough time J I am also web administrator for www.scifi-guide.net (slovak site about scifi ) If do you have any questions, you are free to ask. Best Regards Patrik Cevela Morusova 523/4 Liptovsky Mikulas 031 04 ICQ. 112-086-185 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 6 21:59:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 17:59:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 in 3lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210111190.26233.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 20:26 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: > As per media channel request I got an invitation to sit for a TV > program (IT) in Sri Lanka. > I have to speak about basically Fedora localization and I have a > chance of highlighting the Fedora 9 release too. > Recording will be held on tomorrow. > Due to limited lime I have give short and sweet explanation for Fedora > 9. > > So, Appreciate your ideas. :) 1. You can add a bootable Fedora 9 to any existing USB key, using Windows or Linux, in just a couple of minutes. 2. Fedora 9 has the best new leading-edge features for any laptop or desktop computer. 3. The Fedora community has a place for you, no matter what your skills or interests! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Wed May 7 02:30:55 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:30:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? Message-ID: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents I am attending a partially Red Hat sponsored LTSP Hackfest in Portland, Oregon July 25th, 26th and 27th. That is immediately after OSCon. While my primary purpose for going to Portland will be the LTSP Hackfest, I wonder if there is an opportunity for me to do any Fedora thing at OSCon. http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/about https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/register#pricing I'm told by OSCon attendees in previous years that exhibit floor and BOF's are free. Although it appears from their website that accessto BOF's is not free. Not sure what is accurate, can somebody figure this out? I would like to spend some time at a Fedora booth and talk during a Fedora BOF. Is anyone here already in contact with OSCon and organizing a booth and BOF? I don't have the priority to do this myself, but I am willing to participate if it is already happening. Anyhow, I need to know if any Fedora event is happening soon because I have to purchase my airfare soon. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 7 12:25:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:25:10 +0000 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805060929k149158a6h3378a38b9c1d3b9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <1209847248.6847.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040134j3df41ae0ia7a92eb36ceccdf5@mail.gmail.com> <1209907649.10323.3.camel@scrappy.miketc.com> <507738ef0805060929k149158a6h3378a38b9c1d3b9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210163110.7392.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 17:29 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Would anybody be upset if we moved this over now? Or do people think > it needs more work? > > Thanks for the editing help all, I think it looks good Jonathan, let 'er rip! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 7 12:33:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:33:50 +0000 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 22:30 -0400, Warren Togami wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > > I am attending a partially Red Hat sponsored LTSP Hackfest in Portland, > Oregon July 25th, 26th and 27th. That is immediately after OSCon. > While my primary purpose for going to Portland will be the LTSP > Hackfest, I wonder if there is an opportunity for me to do any Fedora > thing at OSCon. > > http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/about > https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/register#pricing > I'm told by OSCon attendees in previous years that exhibit floor and > BOF's are free. Although it appears from their website that accessto > BOF's is not free. Not sure what is accurate, can somebody figure this out? > > I would like to spend some time at a Fedora booth and talk during a > Fedora BOF. Is anyone here already in contact with OSCon and organizing > a booth and BOF? > > I don't have the priority to do this myself, but I am willing to > participate if it is already happening. Anyhow, I need to know if any > Fedora event is happening soon because I have to purchase my airfare soon. Hi Warren, John Poelstra, Jack Aboutboul, and I will be at OSCON as well, and Jack is setting up a Fedora booth for this show. I don't know the story behind the BoF cost change; a ticket to OSCON that -- according to their site -- gets you into BoFs is *really* expensive, like $1100. I'll talk to Jack to see whether this is accurate -- it sounds like crossed wires to me, since BoFs are normally done on volunteer time as extramural activities. I believe strongly that anyone who wants to attend (or speak at) a Fedora BoF should be able to do so with freedom as in beer and speech. That's how our project works, and "pay to play" doesn't quite sit right. On a related note, I was surprised to see that Canonical charges about $650 for a ticket to their UbuntuLive conference, but it's completely their prerogative, and I understand they may need to offset costs somehow. FUDCon events, though, are a cost that Red Hat can, does, and should proudly bear as a way to give back to the Fedora community, and I don't foresee changing that model. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 12:58:49 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:58:49 +0100 Subject: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <1210163110.7392.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805020828w2a3c388o4372b82223945c00@mail.gmail.com> <1209847248.6847.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0805040134j3df41ae0ia7a92eb36ceccdf5@mail.gmail.com> <1209907649.10323.3.camel@scrappy.miketc.com> <507738ef0805060929k149158a6h3378a38b9c1d3b9d@mail.gmail.com> <1210163110.7392.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0805070558lb5027cdr4a667a7c6899b659@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/7 Paul W. Frields : > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 17:29 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Would anybody be upset if we moved this over now? Or do people think > > it needs more work? > > > > Thanks for the editing help all, > > I think it looks good Jonathan, let 'er rip! > Cheers :) Done. > > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 7 13:32:07 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:32:07 +0100 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0804301111n78d3b424yb4f399414542103e@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> <507738ef0804301111n78d3b424yb4f399414542103e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805070632v236e8344va93c2ce4aa37220@mail.gmail.com> I've just had a brief go-over the Release Overview on the SingleSoureSummary page. I dumped the content from the beta releases and have tidied and trimmed it. It still needs a bit more tidying in places (think the kernel section!) but I'll get there eventually. If anyone else wants to take a look at this, feel free :) What do people think? Is more trimming needed in order to make it more of an "overview"? Oh, and you can find it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary#head-0a80f02dfb335eee253034e1ed30332b240414db Best wishes all, Jon From cra at WPI.EDU Wed May 7 14:06:18 2008 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:06:18 -0400 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805070632v236e8344va93c2ce4aa37220@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> <507738ef0804301111n78d3b424yb4f399414542103e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805070632v236e8344va93c2ce4aa37220@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080507140618.GR5210@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:32:07PM +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Oh, and you can find it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary#head-0a80f02dfb335eee253034e1ed30332b240414db In "NetworkManager Improvements" - It might be nice to highlight Fedora developer and NetworkManager developer Dan Williams in this section, as you have done for other Fedora/upstream developers in the GNOME section. In "Anaconda Installer Improvements": I don't think you need "iamanext4developer" to try ext4 anymore. I believe it has changed to an "ext4" option instead. boot.iso in the end didn't get nuked--too many things depended on the filename "boot.iso". So actually, what was going to be netinst.iso is now named boot.iso. In "Upstart Init Daemon" - customization to inittab EXCEPT initdefault need to be ported over. In the end, it was decided to have F9 use /etc/inittab for just the initdefault line. Down in the "Features" section, some of the above changes also need to be made again. There is a reference to netboot.iso. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed May 7 14:08:51 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:08:51 -0400 Subject: Release Overview In-Reply-To: <20080507140618.GR5210@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <507738ef0804180226y65149f97xf86e711519f7e21e@mail.gmail.com> <480A140F.60809@fedoraproject.org> <4818B11B.3030508@redhat.com> <507738ef0804301111n78d3b424yb4f399414542103e@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805070632v236e8344va93c2ce4aa37220@mail.gmail.com> <20080507140618.GR5210@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1210169331.5112.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 10:06 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > boot.iso in the end didn't get nuked--too many things depended on the > filename "boot.iso". So actually, what was going to be netinst.iso is > now named boot.iso. Sortof. rescue.iso which used to live in the isos/ directory is now named *-netinst.iso and is in reality a hardlink to images/boot.iso. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Wed May 7 15:08:42 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:08:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4821C5FA.9070700@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On a related note, I was surprised to see that Canonical charges about > $650 for a ticket to their UbuntuLive conference, but it's completely > their prerogative, and I understand they may need to offset costs > somehow. FUDCon events, though, are a cost that Red Hat can, does, and > should proudly bear as a way to give back to the Fedora community, and I > don't foresee changing that model. I thought Live is more of their "business" conference like our Summit. They have separate events for users and developers during the year. Warren From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 7 16:42:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 16:42:17 +0000 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: <4821C5FA.9070700@redhat.com> References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4821C5FA.9070700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1210178537.7392.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:08 -0400, Warren Togami wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > On a related note, I was surprised to see that Canonical charges about > > $650 for a ticket to their UbuntuLive conference, but it's completely > > their prerogative, and I understand they may need to offset costs > > somehow. FUDCon events, though, are a cost that Red Hat can, does, and > > should proudly bear as a way to give back to the Fedora community, and I > > don't foresee changing that model. > > I thought Live is more of their "business" conference like our Summit. > They have separate events for users and developers during the year. Yes, I see I've mixed this up with the Developer Summit conference, sorry. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 7 16:44:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:44:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: <4821C57D.5000706@redhat.com> References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4821C57D.5000706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1210178678.7392.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:06 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > I believe strongly that anyone who wants to attend (or speak at) a > > Fedora BoF should be able to do so with freedom as in beer and speech. > > That's how our project works, and "pay to play" doesn't quite sit right. > > > Oscon BoFs are free. Brilliant, can you talk about any of the booth or BoF plans then? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In our press releases, stories for digg, Slashdot, and anywhere else people might see them, let's make sure we are using these URLs: To get Fedora: --> http://get.fedoraproject.org/ To join Fedora: --> http://join.fedoraproject.org/ To read Release Notes: --> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes --> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ (can be shortened if needed) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu May 8 15:24:34 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:24:34 -0600 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: <1210178678.7392.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4821C57D.5000706@redhat.com> <1210178678.7392.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/5/7 Paul W. Frields : > On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:06 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > I believe strongly that anyone who wants to attend (or speak at) a > > > Fedora BoF should be able to do so with freedom as in beer and speech. > > > That's how our project works, and "pay to play" doesn't quite sit > right. > > > > > Oscon BoFs are free. > > Brilliant, can you talk about any of the booth or BoF plans then? > I'd love to help out at the booth. Is there a cost for helping out in that way? If so, how much? I will look on OSCON's site later on, but figured I'd ask the lazy mail :) Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yep, we're having one. 19:00 UTC, which is in about 2 hours. --Max From irashadul at gmail.com Thu May 8 17:13:28 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:13:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 in 3lines In-Reply-To: <1210111190.26233.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210111190.26233.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <17fa59580805081013t484e5efchde7c9649c2c3ceac@mail.gmail.com> Hi: Please add that "Its Free, its Freedom, and open source project." I got a lot of help to communicate with people with this line. Regards, Rashadul Islam On 5/6/08, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 20:26 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: > > As per media channel request I got an invitation to sit for a TV > > program (IT) in Sri Lanka. > > I have to speak about basically Fedora localization and I have a > > chance of highlighting the Fedora 9 release too. > > Recording will be held on tomorrow. > > Due to limited lime I have give short and sweet explanation for Fedora > > 9. > > > > So, Appreciate your ideas. :) > > 1. You can add a bootable Fedora 9 to any existing USB key, using > Windows or Linux, in just a couple of minutes. > 2. Fedora 9 has the best new leading-edge features for any laptop or > desktop computer. > 3. The Fedora community has a place for you, no matter what your skills > or interests! > > -- > Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:27:05 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 02:27:05 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> One thought that I had with regards to #1 was how some websites have automatic detection of components of your computer and offer the right download. For instance, I go to getfirefox.com and it offers me a linux based download, instead of an .exe file. Would it be possible to use some technology like that on the page to help get people the distro faster? M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > We had a pretty active discussion tonight in #fedora-websites about > how to move forward with our website's static pages and how to best > improve them. We decided that it would be a good idea to focus on the > top ten things we want people to be able to do on our website, in > priority order, and really strive to make those things as simple and > easy to do as possible. We could first do usability testing to see how > difficult it is to do these 10 things on the website today, and from > that get a pretty good list of things we're doing wrong to inform an > improved design. > > Here are the ten items we came up with in order of highest priority to > lowest priority. After the list of ten are some of the more detailed > ideas we came up with for achieving each. I've tried to pose these > details as action items when possible so it's clear how folks can dive > in and start helping out! > > Let us know what you think! > > Top 10 Tasks www.fedoraproject.org Visitors Should Be Able To Do > ================================================================ > > 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. > (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) > > 2. Easily access to support tailored for NEW users. > > 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. > > 4. Join Fedora > > 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with > Fedora and how other people use Fedora. > > 6. Catch up on what is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? > > 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a > commitment) > > 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to > #1 which is one click) > > 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! > > 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. > > Detailed Discussion > =================== > > 1. In one click, download the x86 Fedora Desktop Live Media ISO image. > (or whichever we deem is/would be the most popular / best for new users) > - ACTION ITEM: Research: What is our most popular download? > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup what this button/link/etc will look like, > where will it be on the page, will it be persistent throughout the > whole site? > > === > > 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. > > - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: > - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds > - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media > - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? > - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new > users less likely to go full-on Fedora) > - How do I install new software on Fedora? > - How do I keep Fedora updated? > - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? > - Desktop User Guide? > - instructions for folks without network access (using yum > without network) > - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help > with the most > - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help > information would be and what the page would look like, plus have an > area for more advanced how to get help > - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information > and set it in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works > organizationally too) > - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin > guide, find out what state that is in, and its home > - ACTION ITEM: Theme docs.fp.o to better match www.fp.o > > === > > 3. Figure out what Fedora is / what the project is all about. > > - This is explained well by the blurb on the front page now, but > could have more information > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup about Fedora website section > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Integrate more of /wiki/Overview for > extended information "About Fedora" > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Cite articles aboout Fedora - Fedora in > the news +1 > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What makes Fedora different from other > operating systems? From other Linux distros? > - ACTION ITEM: Decide placement for screenshot tour link on www.fp.o > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup & gather content for a "For The Press" > section > - archive of press kits > - media contact information (pfrields, Kara) > - interview archive > - All the things a newbie reporter type needs to know > - Learn more - talk to a local ambassador? > > === > > 4. Join Fedora > - ACTION ITEM: Move content: Current list of skillsets mapped to > teams/SIGs is good, but make it all static rather than dumping people > into the wiki. > - List of sigs => align to skill set > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: Maybe have a details page for every SIG to > talk about what they do, how they communicate, when/where they meet, > what software they use, etc. > - ACTION ITEM: Decision: We need clear divide about where the > functionality of the wiki starts (this has always been annoying) > > === > > 5. See / Learn about all of the cool things you can make and do with > Fedora and how other people use Fedora. > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: What are 10 cool things Fedora users can > do, and what applications can they do them with? For example: > - "With Fedora you can manage the family photos. Download images > from your camera with gphoto. Upload images from your computer to > flickr with Flickr Uploadr. Or set up your own webserver and gallery > with gallery. Burn a photo CD with nautilus. Create greeting cards > using your photos with glabels." > - Focus on people. > - ACTION ITEM: Case-studies: some of the user stories pfrields has > been collecting would be wonderful especially with photos and > interviews, and with call-outs to the relevant Fedora applications > involved in each case study. Pick a few of these and write them up, > gather photos, links, and other content. > - Fedora Spins > - ACTION ITEM: Writeup: Maybe pick a dozen or so of the most > popular applications in Fedora and have writeups and banner ad promos?) > > === > > 6. What is happening in Fedora, right now? What's the latest? > > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What's happening in Fedora page/section > - Planet Fedora > - planet fedora divided up by language plus across all languages > - planet fedora divided up by SIG/team (e.g. planet fedora: art > team) > - giant RSS feed aggregate like planet fedora for bodhi, koji, etc > - bodhi updates? rate the package? security updates? package builds? > - fedoranews > - meetings (#fedora-meeting) > - meeting logs > - scheduled meetings / upcoming meetings > - new artwork feed :) > - Events > - News articles about Fedora? Red Hat magazine articles? (Different > than Fedora News, more like mainstream media mentions) > > === > > 7. Give back to Fedora. (different from joining. Joining is more of a > commitment) > > - bugzilla - file/report a bug! > - nice tutorial for writing a useful bug report? > - support fedora free media? > - become a mirror > - put bling on your site / link back to Fedora (link to bling page) > - ACTION ITEM: Research: what other things can folks do to give back > to Fedora? > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the give back to Fedora page/section > look like? > > === > > 8. Download specific versions / form factors of Fedora. (as opposed to > #1 which is one click) > > - KDE spin > - Full DVD ISO > - alternative arches (x86_64, ppc?) > - older releases (fc1, fc2, etc) > - download/get the source > - mirror list > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the full 'get Fedora' page look like? > > === > > 9. Get Fedora bling! Spread Fedora! > > - ACTION ITEM: Mockup: What will the Fedora bling page look like? > - ACTION ITEM: Gather: What bling do we have out there? What license > is each under? > - website banners > - t-shirt designs with iron-on instructions > - stickers and printing instructions > - forum sig bars / im avatars > - posters > - etc :) > - kind of like spreadfirefox.com > - Fedora elevator pitch? > > === > > 10. Access developer tools and documentation for Fedora. > > - Links to all useful developer tools like: > - koji > - bodhi > - FAS > - wiki > - how to find out who owns a package - koji? > - commonly-used documentation like package-building guide, cvs > policies, etc > - J5 is working on a myFedora project for developers... this might > be that or very strongly related > - ACTION ITEM: Sync up: discuss with J5! > > ~m > > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri May 9 08:22:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:22:32 +0300 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > One thought that I had with regards to #1 was how some websites have > automatic detection of components of your computer and offer the right > download. For instance, I go to getfirefox.com and it offers me a linux > based download, instead of an .exe file. Would it be possible to use > some technology like that on the page to help get people the distro faster? That is trivial, by parsing the User Agent String sent by the browser, for example mine is: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008043010 Fedora/3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9 Firefox/3.0b5" Which tells that I am already using Linux on an x86 *or* X86-64 machine (it can't tell if my CPU is 64 or 32 bit, only what I have installed currently). So the detection can say which kind of CPU I have: x86 or PPC. But we already know from smolt [1] that ppc users are less than 1%, i686 are about 78.7% and x86_64 about 20.2%, so it make sense to promote the i686 build. Of course, if the user is on x86_64, we can assume he want also x86_64 and direct to that, but this is all. And no matter which OS the visitor use (Linux, Windows, OS x), we direct them to an .iso file. Which one? This is where we should make a conscious decision (and I expect the decision to be "Desktop Live CD"). [1] - http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/static/stats/stats.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 9 09:40:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:10:41 +0530 Subject: Interviewing community projects Message-ID: <48241C19.6090605@fedoraproject.org> Hi, The abiword interview got published at http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/08/abiword-team-interview/ I am now looking for ideas on other community projects that I can get in touch with to do a interview. If you are a developer of any software that is included within Fedora or know people interested in doing this, let me know Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri May 9 13:28:11 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 2. Get access to support tailored for NEW users. > > - Basic Info to make accessible as easily as possible: > - Common Bugs page - what are known issues and their workarounds > - How do I use the ISO I just downloaded? / Burning Media > - What is Live Media? Will it hurt my computer? > - How do I do a full install from Live Media? Dual Boot? (new users less > likely to go full-on Fedora) > - How do I install new software on Fedora? > - How do I keep Fedora updated? > - How do I upgrade my older version of Fedora? > - Desktop User Guide? > - instructions for folks without network access (using yum without > network) > - ACTION ITEM: Research:Ask #fedora folks what people ask for help with the > most > - ACTION ITEM: Mock-up where a link to a page of newbie help information > would be and what the page would look like, plus have an area for more > advanced how to get help > - ACTION ITEM: Remove the need of the wiki for basic information and set it > in fp.o (I'd like to see how the new wiki works organizationally too) > - ACTION ITEM: docs.fp.o is working on a user guide and an admin guide, > find out what state that is in, and its home > - ACTION ITEM: Theme docs.fp.o to better match www.fp.o > We should make sure people know about other 3rd party sites like fedora Forum. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 9 14:55:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:55:28 +0000 Subject: Fedora at OSCON? In-Reply-To: References: <4821145F.8020503@redhat.com> <1210163630.7392.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4821C57D.5000706@redhat.com> <1210178678.7392.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1210344928.15983.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 09:24 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/5/7 Paul W. Frields : > On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 11:06 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > I believe strongly that anyone who wants to attend (or > speak at) a > > > Fedora BoF should be able to do so with freedom as in beer > and speech. > > > That's how our project works, and "pay to play" doesn't > quite sit right. > > > > > > Oscon BoFs are free. > > Brilliant, can you talk about any of the booth or BoF plans > then? > > > I'd love to help out at the booth. Is there a cost for helping out > in that way? If so, how much? I will look on OSCON's site later on, > but figured I'd ask the lazy mail :) If I'm not mistaken, the expo floor is free for anyone to attend. (It probably requires a free registration.) I'd think the more, the merrier! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Patrik -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Nicu Buculei Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:23 AM To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org Michael Beckwith wrote: > One thought that I had with regards to #1 was how some websites have > automatic detection of components of your computer and offer the right > download. For instance, I go to getfirefox.com and it offers me a linux > based download, instead of an .exe file. Would it be possible to use > some technology like that on the page to help get people the distro faster? That is trivial, by parsing the User Agent String sent by the browser, for example mine is: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008043010 Fedora/3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9 Firefox/3.0b5" Which tells that I am already using Linux on an x86 *or* X86-64 machine (it can't tell if my CPU is 64 or 32 bit, only what I have installed currently). So the detection can say which kind of CPU I have: x86 or PPC. But we already know from smolt [1] that ppc users are less than 1%, i686 are about 78.7% and x86_64 about 20.2%, so it make sense to promote the i686 build. Of course, if the user is on x86_64, we can assume he want also x86_64 and direct to that, but this is all. And no matter which OS the visitor use (Linux, Windows, OS x), we direct them to an .iso file. Which one? This is where we should make a conscious decision (and I expect the decision to be "Desktop Live CD"). [1] - http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/static/stats/stats.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3087 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3089 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 9 20:04:15 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: > I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. > It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". > Why not have both? -- ian From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Fri May 9 20:46:44 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:46:44 +0200 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4824b837.05a0660a.6055.6c26@mx.google.com> You're right, why not? :) It would be the best. Patrik -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ian Weller Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:04 PM To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: RE: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: > I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. > It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". > Why not have both? -- ian -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3090 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 9 20:48:51 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:48:51 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:04 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: > > > I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. > > It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". > > > Why not have both? -- ian > Because we want to avoid ambiguity. the idea is to provide an easy link for the most common installation media From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 9 21:04:15 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 2008, Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:04 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: >> On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: >> >> > I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. >> > It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". >> > >> Why not have both? -- ian >> > > Because we want to avoid ambiguity. > > the idea is to provide an easy link for the most common installation > media > It would provide an easy link, because people who understand 'desktop, 32 bit' and people who understand 'i386' are both in their natural habitat. Something like "Desktop (32 bit, i386)" and "Desktop (64 bit, x86_64)" and "PowerPC (ppc)" should work. Also, be sure to link to a page explaining popular computers and their processor types, or how to find it on the current OS. -- ian From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Fri May 9 21:05:38 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:05:38 +0200 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> Yeah but for more experienced users it may be confused. Or under that simple list create a link to expanded list of version with other version. Patrik -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Juan Camilo Prada Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:49 PM To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:04 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: > > > I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. > > It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". > > > Why not have both? -- ian > Because we want to avoid ambiguity. the idea is to provide an easy link for the most common installation media -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3090 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From juankprada at gmail.com Fri May 9 22:09:23 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 17:09:23 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1210370963.4061.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 23:05 +0200, Patrik Cevela wrote: > Yeah but for more experienced users it may be confused. Or under that simple > list create a link to expanded list of version with other version. > Patrik Keep in mind that we are not removing the links for other architectures, they will still be in usual Get Fedora section (although some modification might be done). What we want to do is a one click download with the most common installation media!. As we all know i386 still works on X86_64 architectures, so users with no experience will probably find in Desktop live media an easy way to install fedora without worrying to much about architecture issues (so we would cover a big part of the market with one single file). Still if the user knows what he wants he will get the chance to get it on the corresponding section. Remember that we want to make things easier for new members. From ianweller at gmail.com Fri May 9 22:14:43 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:14:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: > Yeah but for more experienced users it may be confused. Or under that simple > list create a link to expanded list of version with other version. > More experienced users would more likely know what is being communicated here. -- ian From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Fri May 9 22:39:26 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:39:26 +0200 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1210370963.4061.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4824bca5.05a0660a.6073.7078@mx.google.com> <1210370963.4061.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4824d2a1.02e2660a.19db.23ea@mx.google.com> You're right, for new members is better to have one link with user friendly name... Patrik -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Juan Camilo Prada Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:09 AM To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 23:05 +0200, Patrik Cevela wrote: > Yeah but for more experienced users it may be confused. Or under that simple > list create a link to expanded list of version with other version. > Patrik Keep in mind that we are not removing the links for other architectures, they will still be in usual Get Fedora section (although some modification might be done). What we want to do is a one click download with the most common installation media!. As we all know i386 still works on X86_64 architectures, so users with no experience will probably find in Desktop live media an easy way to install fedora without worrying to much about architecture issues (so we would cover a big part of the market with one single file). Still if the user knows what he wants he will get the chance to get it on the corresponding section. Remember that we want to make things easier for new members. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3090 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3090 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sat May 10 05:17:11 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:17:11 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48252FD7.5020509@gmail.com> Personally, I think it'd almost be perfectly safe to offer just 32bit by default. It'll be almost guaranteed to run. Someone wanting 64bit will know enough to click a little bit more and find the 64bit version. Only exception to these thoughts would be the PowerPC ones which I'm not the most familiar with. Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:04 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrik Cevela wrote: >> >> >>> I think the platform identification by "i386", "x86_64" and "ppc" is incomprehensible for newbees. >>> It would be better call it "Desktop, 32bit version", "Desktop, 64bit" and "PowerPC". >>> >>> >> Why not have both? -- ian >> >> > > Because we want to avoid ambiguity. > > the idea is to provide an easy link for the most common installation > media > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 10 14:25:03 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:25:03 +0100 Subject: Release Overview + Feature Screencasts Message-ID: <507738ef0805100725s2f828283g39d51a2b331cab2c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/7 Chuck Anderson : > On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:32:07PM +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Oh, and you can find it here: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary#head-0a80f02dfb335eee253034e1ed30332b240414db > > In "NetworkManager Improvements" - It might be nice to highlight > Fedora developer and NetworkManager developer Dan Williams in this > section, as you have done for other Fedora/upstream developers in the > GNOME section. > > In "Anaconda Installer Improvements": > > I don't think you need "iamanext4developer" to try ext4 anymore. I > believe it has changed to an "ext4" option instead. > > boot.iso in the end didn't get nuked--too many things depended on the > filename "boot.iso". So actually, what was going to be netinst.iso is > now named boot.iso. > > In "Upstart Init Daemon" - customization to inittab EXCEPT initdefault > need to be ported over. In the end, it was decided to have F9 use > /etc/inittab for just the initdefault line. OK, I've made these changes and I'm about to upload the pictures too so, can people take another look and let me know if they're happy with the Release Overview? It's briefer than we made it last time (mostly due to impending exams!) but I think it covers the essentials. Also, what's happening with the feature screencasts? Shall we link to these from the release overview - I think these two pieces of content are exactly the kind of things we want to be putting together. I tried Istanbul today and the package in Koji works great. Best wishes, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat May 10 15:19:27 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:19:27 +0100 Subject: 2008-05-08 Meeting Minutes Message-ID: <507738ef0805100819j5b652b18i4e8b3719f6dce16@mail.gmail.com> Meeting minutes for the 2008-05-08 meeting are now available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-05-08 and log here (thanks Ricky!): https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00092.html I've also created a task list for websites here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Task If I've made mistakes or errors, let me know!! Best, Jon From dezone24 at gmail.com Sat May 10 15:37:23 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:37:23 -0500 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <48252FD7.5020509@gmail.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48252FD7.5020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/5/10 Michael Beckwith : > Personally, I think it'd almost be perfectly safe to offer just 32bit by > default. It'll be almost guaranteed to run. Someone wanting 64bit will know > enough to click a little bit more and find the 64bit version. Only exception > to these thoughts would be the PowerPC ones which I'm not the most familiar > with. > +1 Most part of people will be happy, not only because is simple choose their version else faster. By this way Fedora should be easy, without let of be useful for advanced users. For example: Desktop 32 Bits (?). If a user wants to know "what is it" just do a click on the (?). And it will show a description about what is Desktop 32 Bit. Desktop 64 Bits (?). The same, but should be clear that this option is not recomended for inexpert users. Desktop PowerPC (?). Only choose this option if you want Fedora running on your Mac. (Description). Finally I think is useful a little space for common quiestions. For example a have 3 basic questions. (This is thinking curious user ). A short answer and a link to documentation if its necesary. All the software provided in Fedora 64 bits, is completely optimized for 64 bits processors? Are there a big difference on performance between 32 bits and 64 bits version for common users? If a have a laptop, the power consumption is the same on 32 bits and 64 bits? 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I use a Commodore 64, you insensitive clods! :P From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Sat May 10 22:10:36 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:10:36 +0200 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> <4823FCC9.2050600@gmail.com> <482409C8.20004@nicubunu.ro> <48248575.06e2660a.1289.ffff9588@mx.google.com> <1210366131.13364.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48261d60.0af6660a.7ca8.5eff@mx.google.com> Sorry, Commodore 64 is not anymore supported :P Try to upgrade your "computer" at least to Commodore 128 or use Amiga with PowerPC processor ;) -----Original Message----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Max Spevack Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:04 AM To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: RE: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org On Fri, 9 May 2008, Ian Weller wrote: > Something like "Desktop (32 bit, i386)" and "Desktop (64 bit, x86_64)" > and "PowerPC (ppc)" should work. Also, be sure to link to a page > explaining popular computers and their processor types, or how to find > it on the current OS. I use a Commodore 64, you insensitive clods! :P -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3090 (20080509) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat May 10 23:00:56 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:00:56 -0400 Subject: Fw: F9 and website translations In-Reply-To: <20080510191330.107eccf1@mrtomlinux.org> References: <20080510191330.107eccf1@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: <1210460456.26278.25.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:13 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > We were talking about Fedora 9 website translation... > > ----- Message Transf?r? ----- > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:54:22 +0200 > De: Thomas Canniot > ?: fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > Sujet: Re: F9 and website translations > > > Le Thu, 8 May 2008 02:19:13 +0800, > "Guokai Han" a ?crit : > > > 3.What means "Make waves" in "Fedora 9. Make waves."? "????"? > > I personaly don't really like this "make waves" as it is a negative > expression : "to shock or upset people with something new or > different." [1] > > Do we really want people to say Fedora 9 upset me ? I don't think so :) > Could it be "the new wave" instead ? "Making waves" is only negative if change is negative. Its full meaning is "Act as an agent for change". -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun May 11 21:33:36 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:33:36 -0400 Subject: Central PA Open Source Conference In-Reply-To: <1210540389.5276.3.camel@victoria> References: <20080510203845.DEFDE7E01E4@ion.openthoughthosting.com> <1210540389.5276.3.camel@victoria> Message-ID: 2008/5/11 Paul W. Frields : > Is there a US Ambassador or community member near Harrisburg, > Pennsylvania, who would be interested in presenting at the Central PA > Open Source Conference on October 19th? If no one steps up that's closer, I can take this. I'd have to leave home Saturday night and stay overnight in Harrisburg, but it's only a ~3 hour, $97 round-trip train ride from NYC. From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Sun May 11 21:52:09 2008 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:52:09 -0400 Subject: Central PA Open Source Conference In-Reply-To: <1210540389.5276.3.camel@victoria> References: <20080510203845.DEFDE7E01E4@ion.openthoughthosting.com> <1210540389.5276.3.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1210542729.10667.1.camel@kennedy> On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:13 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Is there a US Ambassador or community member near Harrisburg, > Pennsylvania, who would be interested in presenting at the Central PA > Open Source Conference on October 19th? > > http://www.cposc.org/ > > I can't do this one, because I'll be at a conference the weekend before > and one the weekend after. I may be able to attend it, but I need to verify that the date for this conference doesn't conflict with my sister's wedding. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrianPepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From teseu at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 09:52:31 2008 From: teseu at fedoraproject.org (Teseu) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:31 -0300 Subject: Fw: F9 and website translations In-Reply-To: <1210460456.26278.25.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20080510191330.107eccf1@mrtomlinux.org> <1210460456.26278.25.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: To translate to Brazilian Portuguese we have many ideas and a good discussion. We agreed that the original meaning and common sense would be the best solution, because just say "making waves" in Portuguese is not what the slogan is saying in English. I think just like Ignacio, it's negative only if the changing is negative, and all changes brings some disturbance and always people who don't want it. It's the way the things are, but this is a good change and we have to show this. Regards 2008/5/10 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams : > On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:13 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > We were talking about Fedora 9 website translation... > > > > ----- Message Transf?r? ----- > > > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:54:22 +0200 > > De: Thomas Canniot > > ?: fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > > Sujet: Re: F9 and website translations > > > > > > Le Thu, 8 May 2008 02:19:13 +0800, > > "Guokai Han" a ?crit : > > > > > 3.What means "Make waves" in "Fedora 9. Make waves."? "????"? > > > > I personaly don't really like this "make waves" as it is a negative > > expression : "to shock or upset people with something new or > > different." [1] > > > > Do we really want people to say Fedora 9 upset me ? I don't think so :) > > Could it be "the new wave" instead ? > > "Making waves" is only negative if change is negative. Its full meaning > is "Act as an agent for change". > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "...don't underestimate the power of the dark side..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 12:51:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:21:38 +0530 Subject: First impressions of Fedora 9 with KDE 4 Message-ID: <48283D5A.5080708@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080512&mode=67#feature Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_impressions_of_Fedora_9_with_KDE_4 Ladislav, I hope you are filing bug reports against the PHP/sqlite issue as well as others as you promised, the last time you mentioned the problem in your earlier review. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 14:02:02 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:32:02 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 promises better eyecandy, networking Message-ID: <48284DDA.1090102@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2411 "Fedora 9 is scheduled for release tomorrow. Six months after Fedora 8 was released, Fedora 9 will be available in a variety of ?spins? (custom boot images for everything from desktop installs to USB devices) with improved networking and eyecandy." Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon May 12 14:30:23 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:30:23 +0300 Subject: Istanbul screencasting In-Reply-To: <1210284808.31314.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210284808.31314.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4828547F.9040108@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > If you try the new packages located in koji here: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=2138 > > Please also leave a message in bodhi saying it worked: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/istanbul > > Then Jef can get the package pushed more easily into the actual updates > repositories. So it seems Istanbul is now able to record videos with sound (at least, it was long time missing), which is an useful feature. However, I will be picky and list another needed feature: video quality adjustment (not having it, I find compelled to use gtk-RecordMyDesktop instead, but that had its share of problems too). Istanbul have a predefined, low, setting quality. This is suboptimal for a couple of reasons: - a maximum video quality (100 for RecordMyDesktop) is much easier on your CPU (less compression to do), so it allows recording screencasts on less powerful machines (at the price of larger file sizes); - the built it video quality in Istanbul is low, very low. While it may not matter when uploading to YouTube, which lowers the quality even further, for desktop viewing it *is* noticeable. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 22:36:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:06:52 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 leaked Message-ID: <4828C684.1000409@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/12/fedora-9-leaked/1 "With the official release due tomorrow, it's clear that there's plenty for fans of the Fedora distribution to look forward to. To grab the official download, keep checking the website over the next few days." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 00:59:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:29:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love Message-ID: <4828E7FA.40808@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ "The ninth release of Fedora ushers in a number of changes aimed at making the venerable distribution a more newbie-friendly desktop, but longtime users needn't fear a great dumbing down; version 9 packs plenty of power user punch as well" Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_an_OS_that_even_the_Linux_challenged_can_love Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Tue May 13 02:09:10 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:09:10 -0700 Subject: Top Ten Tasks For www.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> References: <4823E3F5.3050501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1210644550.15603.377.camel@calliope.phig.org> I replied to this message on f-websites-l, if the discussion continues to interest you. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00180.html On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 01:41 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Just install Fedora on a USB stick with sufficient space and any existing files on the disk will be left intact. For the low, low price of $99.95 in installation fees, of course." Even if you include the cost of the USB media ... it still doesn't make sense or a good joke. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 07:14:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:44:24 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love In-Reply-To: <1210662661.15603.397.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <4828E7FA.40808@fedoraproject.org> <1210662661.15603.397.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48293FD0.3050400@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 06:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ >> >> "The ninth release of Fedora ushers in a number of changes aimed at >> making the venerable distribution a more newbie-friendly desktop, but >> longtime users needn't fear a great dumbing down; version 9 packs plenty >> of power user punch as well" > > Crazy, what does this para mean? > > "And if your friend wants a copy of Fedora, no problem. Just > install Fedora on a USB stick with sufficient space and any > existing files on the disk will be left intact. For the low, low > price of $99.95 in installation fees, of course." > > Even if you include the cost of the USB media ... it still doesn't make > sense or a good joke. You did realize this is Register that we are talking about. Right? Right? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 13 12:35:14 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:35:14 +0000 Subject: USB Keys In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 11:35 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't suppose somebody could tell me where the Fedora USB keys that > have been handed out at events were produced and how much they cost? > Thinking about something similar for a project this summer... Hi Jon, I believe Jesse Keating handed out some at LinuxFest Northwest -- AFAIK they were simply bought off the shelf and created as needed from the livecd-iso-to-disk tool. You can find 2 GB keys (which can provide a runnable Live image plus at least 1 GB persistence overlay) pretty darn cheap these days. However, since they're still an order of magnitude more expensive than CD and DVD media, we haven't taken the plunge yet on mass-producing them for release. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 13 12:37:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:37:41 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love In-Reply-To: <48293FD0.3050400@fedoraproject.org> References: <4828E7FA.40808@fedoraproject.org> <1210662661.15603.397.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48293FD0.3050400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1210682261.10256.251.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 06:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ > >> > >> "The ninth release of Fedora ushers in a number of changes aimed at > >> making the venerable distribution a more newbie-friendly desktop, but > >> longtime users needn't fear a great dumbing down; version 9 packs plenty > >> of power user punch as well" > > > > Crazy, what does this para mean? > > > > "And if your friend wants a copy of Fedora, no problem. Just > > install Fedora on a USB stick with sufficient space and any > > existing files on the disk will be left intact. For the low, low > > price of $99.95 in installation fees, of course." > > > > Even if you include the cost of the USB media ... it still doesn't make > > sense or a good joke. > > You did realize this is Register that we are talking about. Right? Right? Actually, the $99.95 is a direct quote. KIDDING! This is all The Register's joke. :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue May 13 12:42:02 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:42:02 -0400 Subject: USB Keys In-Reply-To: <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> References: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1210682522.3170.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:35 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I believe Jesse Keating handed out some at LinuxFest Northwest -- AFAIK > they were simply bought off the shelf and created as needed from the > livecd-iso-to-disk tool. You can find 2 GB keys (which can provide a > runnable Live image plus at least 1 GB persistence overlay) pretty darn > cheap these days. However, since they're still an order of magnitude > more expensive than CD and DVD media, we haven't taken the plunge yet on > mass-producing them for release. Close to correct. I pre-generated them on the flight from BOS to SEA. Turns out you can do 50~ key generations on one flight on one laptop battery, but it got close (mostly due to some reboots to verify the keys and some kvm guest launches to do the same). -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue May 13 13:04:12 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:04:12 -0400 Subject: USB Keys In-Reply-To: <1210682522.3170.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> <1210682522.3170.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <482991CC.1020709@webpath.net> I can buy USB keys wholesale (in the USA) if you want to duplicate the drives yourself. I don't mind ordering at cost for Ambassadors. ~Karlie Robinson Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:35 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> Hi Jon, >> >> I believe Jesse Keating handed out some at LinuxFest Northwest -- AFAIK >> they were simply bought off the shelf and created as needed from the >> livecd-iso-to-disk tool. You can find 2 GB keys (which can provide a >> runnable Live image plus at least 1 GB persistence overlay) pretty darn >> cheap these days. However, since they're still an order of magnitude >> more expensive than CD and DVD media, we haven't taken the plunge yet on >> mass-producing them for release. >> > > Close to correct. I pre-generated them on the flight from BOS to SEA. > Turns out you can do 50~ key generations on one flight on one laptop > battery, but it got close (mostly due to some reboots to verify the keys > and some kvm guest launches to do the same). > > From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 14:41:38 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:41:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: What to digg? Message-ID: Its out, what should we be digging? -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:00:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:30:29 +0530 Subject: What to digg? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4829AD0D.9030607@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > Its out, what should we be digging? > > -Mike http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary is what I have worked on and is a pretty good overview. It is in a wiki though and I am not sure it would stand the load considering that we already put it out in the release announcement. How about we do a copy into a static page, do a web server redirect to the static page and digg that? Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 14:57:56 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: What to digg? In-Reply-To: <4829AD0D.9030607@fedoraproject.org> References: <4829AD0D.9030607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > Its out, what should we be digging? > > > > -Mike > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary is what I have worked > on and is a pretty good overview. It is in a wiki though and I am not sure it > would stand the load considering that we already put it out in the release > announcement. How about we do a copy into a static page, do a web server > redirect to the static page and digg that? > I submitted this, an approved link. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Sulphur_Released -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:15:00 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:15:00 +0100 Subject: USB Keys In-Reply-To: <482991CC.1020709@webpath.net> References: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> <1210682522.3170.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <482991CC.1020709@webpath.net> Message-ID: <507738ef0805130815y3e12ad83k80226fc5eb1e51da@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/13 Karlie Robinson : > I can buy USB keys wholesale (in the USA) if you want to duplicate the > drives yourself. I don't mind ordering at cost for Ambassadors. What sort of cost would that be? Would it be possible to forward them over to the UK? I guess it would make most sense for me to buy them wholesale over here, especially for the project I'm going to need 600 + Best, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 15:16:34 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:16:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: /.? Message-ID: Does anyone know if we've submitted to /.? Have we submitted to any sites? -Mike From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:25:28 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:25:28 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? Message-ID: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:26:55 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:26:55 +0100 Subject: /.? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0805130826p43029254o41536d3dbeb2022@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/13 Mike McGrath : > > Does anyone know if we've submitted to /.? Have we submitted to any > sites? Do it anyway, the more the merrier I think :) Best, Jon From gdk at redhat.com Tue May 13 15:28:00 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll > start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) Start one and tell us where it is. :) --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:33:18 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:03:18 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll > start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) A couple of initial reviews: ---------------------------- Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ First impressions of Fedora 9 with KDE 4 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080512#feature Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 15:42:47 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:42:47 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> Let's put these here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F9 I haven't actually created the page yet because it's timing out. Might be sensible to keep track of things in this thread until the release activity dies down a bit. Best, Jon 2008/5/13 Rahul Sundaram : > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll > > start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) > > > > A couple of initial reviews: > ---------------------------- > > Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ > > First impressions of Fedora 9 with KDE 4 > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080512#feature > > > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue May 13 16:01:39 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:01:39 -0400 Subject: USB Keys In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130815y3e12ad83k80226fc5eb1e51da@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805120335g174725e6ja4f9ced5691fb40f@mail.gmail.com> <1210682114.10256.249.camel@victoria> <1210682522.3170.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <482991CC.1020709@webpath.net> <507738ef0805130815y3e12ad83k80226fc5eb1e51da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4829BB63.4030108@webpath.net> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/13 Karlie Robinson : > >> I can buy USB keys wholesale (in the USA) if you want to duplicate the >> drives yourself. I don't mind ordering at cost for Ambassadors. >> > > What sort of cost would that be? Would it be possible to forward them > over to the UK? I guess it would make most sense for me to buy them > wholesale over here, especially for the project I'm going to need 600 > wholesale price fluctuates so I can give you a price for today, but expect it to go up or down tomorrow. There may also be Low order fees (usually less than $100 ordered at a time but wouldn't apply here) and if you want me to ship it out of the USA, I have to ship it here first and then ship it again to you as I can only drop ship in the Continental USA. I also can't call it a gift if you pay me for the drives so you'll have to consider any customs duty. Though if you really want it, I can explore distribution relationships in the UK. Email me off list. So, today's price from one distributor... KINGSTON DTI 2GB FLASH DRIVE 2GB DATA TRAVELER USB2.0 LIME GREEN - $11.50 (the cap-less style with the slide out USB plug is the same price - both in sufficient qty) KINGSTON DT100 4GB FLASH DRIVE 4GB DATA TRAVELER USB2.0 - $18.25 (less than 600) KINGSTON MF 8G USB2.0 DTI 8GB - $37.00 (less than 600) ~Karlie From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 16:42:09 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:42:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Let's put these here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F9 > > I haven't actually created the page yet because it's timing out. Might > be sensible to keep track of things in this thread until the release > activity dies down a bit. > I don't think I'm really press but it is up on oreilly's sites now: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2008/05/fedora_9_sulphur_released.html -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 16:46:23 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: /.? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130826p43029254o41536d3dbeb2022@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130826p43029254o41536d3dbeb2022@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/13 Mike McGrath : > > > > Does anyone know if we've submitted to /.? Have we submitted to any > > sites? > > Do it anyway, the more the merrier I think :) > > Best, > I'm not sure if Timothy is on this list but the links here: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/165239 The first one should be http://get.fedoraproject.org/ not http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora. -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 17:16:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:46:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money Message-ID: <4829CD02.2060602@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/05/fedora-9-gives.html Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Gives_Ubuntu_a_Run_For_Its_Money "Fedora 9 is a significant upgrade and packs in a number of new features. Perhaps the best part of Fedora 9 is the new live USB options. After playing with the release candidate for a week or so I am happy to report that Fedora 9 has made some significant strides and gives Ubuntu a serious run for its money when it comes ot user-friendliness. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 17:18:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:48:17 +0530 Subject: Red Hat dons stylish new Fedora Message-ID: <4829CD59.9080708@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/196605/red-hat-dons-stylish-new-fedora.html "Fedora 9 will be put up for download today, and continues the trend of making Linux a more inviting proposition for newcomers." "Fedora 9 also allows you to carry a persistent version of the operating system around on a 1GB or greater USB stick, which maintains all your updates and saved files, meaning you need never leave home without your operating system again" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 17:21:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:51:54 +0530 Subject: Hat's off to Fedora 9 Message-ID: <4829CE32.2070200@fedoraproject.org> Hi Don't miss out on some of the background coverage and mini interview with our fearless leader. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7497650845.html "Red Hat said at the time that it just made sense for a community-supported distribution to be governed by a community, not a company. It proved to be sound reasoning. Red Hat's 2003 decision instantly catapulted Fedora into place among the world's most popular Linux distributions, where it arguably remains today" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 17:23:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:53:22 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9: Linux Desktop Alive and Well at Red Hat Message-ID: <4829CE8A.6020709@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3746421/Fedora+9+Linux+Desktop+Alive+and+Well+at+Red+Hat.htm "I think it's inevitable that people will move to a cross distribution tool like PackageKit," Frields said. "What you're looking at here is a successful project that drives interest in Linux overall without being to distribution specific." Rahul From bche at redhat.com Tue May 13 17:47:34 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:47:34 -0400 Subject: new list of names for fedora grid project Message-ID: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> Hi, thanks to John Adams for generating an updated list of potential names for the Fedora grid project. John's recommendations, in order, are: Tier 1 1. Powernap 2. Nightlife 3. Awaken Tier 2 1. PowerFarm 2. Think Tank 3. Slumber Tier 3 1. Siesta 2. Underground 3. Swarm Attached is his full list. Please reply by Friday 5/16 with +1/0/-1 votes on names, and I'll take the updated candidates to legal review afterwards. Bryan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Warren From joadams at redhat.com Tue May 13 17:56:31 2008 From: joadams at redhat.com (John Adams) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:31 -0400 Subject: new list of names for fedora grid project In-Reply-To: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> References: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4829D64F.4020702@redhat.com> Just a quick caveat: We are putting these names out for feedback before passing them through trademark clearance. The #1 rule of naming is not to fall in love with anything before it clears, because that will undoubtedly be the name that is unavailable! So, please remember that some or even most of these names possibly / probably won't be available for use. But, your feedback helps us prioritize the names that we will submit for legal trademark search. Thanks! John P.S. I'd be happy to explain the thinking / rationale behind any of these name ideas, if anyone has questions. Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, thanks to John Adams for generating an updated list of potential > names for the Fedora grid project. John's recommendations, in order, > are: > > Tier 1 > 1. Powernap > 2. Nightlife > 3. Awaken > > Tier 2 > 1. PowerFarm > 2. Think Tank > 3. Slumber > > Tier 3 > 1. Siesta > 2. Underground > 3. Swarm > > Attached is his full list. > > Please reply by Friday 5/16 with +1/0/-1 votes on names, and I'll take > the updated candidates to legal review afterwards. > > Bryan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- John Q. Adams Brand Manager | Red Hat Brand Communications + Design 919.754.4471 joadams at redhat.com From rdieter at math.unl.edu Tue May 13 18:12:56 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:12:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Released with KDE 4.0.3 Message-ID: http://dot.kde.org/1210692815/ digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Released_with_KDE_4_0_3 "The Fedora Project has announced the release of Fedora 9, codenamed "Sulphur". As your periodic table will tell you, Sulphur is the element below Oxygen, a fitting release name for the third major distribution to ship KDE 4.0 (congrats to Mandriva and Kubuntu for getting there first) and the first to make it the only version of the desktop. Fedora 9 includes KDE 4.0.3." -- Rex From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 18:43:33 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 00:13:33 +0530 Subject: Tip of the hat: Fedora 9 officially released Message-ID: <4829E155.9060107@fedoraproject.org> Hi, They promise a more detailed review later. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080513-tip-of-the-hat-fedora-9-officially-released.html "Important architectural features?such as the PulseAudio sound server and the PolicyKit secure privilege escalation system?that were first included in Fedora 8 are now integrated in a more complete and pervasive way. The NetworkManager tool, which simplifies network configuration and provides easy access to wireless networks, also gets some nice feature improvements in this release, like support for connecting with GSM and CDMA devices." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 19:08:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 00:38:09 +0530 Subject: New Fedora 9 makes waves by emphasizing contributors Message-ID: <4829E719.1040607@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/135102 Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Fedora_9_makes_waves_by_emphasizing_contributors "The Fedora distribution has a reputation for innovation, and the new Fedora 9, released today, is no exception. With features that range from easy filesystem encryption to support for the ext4 format, it includes a wide range of features that are likely to become standard in other distributions in the next six months. But for Paul W. Frields, who became Fedora project leader in February, what distinguishes the release is less the technology than the community that supports it, and how the technology contributes to the larger free software world." Rahul From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue May 13 19:51:57 2008 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:51:57 -0400 Subject: PC Pro: Red Hat dons stylish new Fedora Message-ID: <4829F15D.6050606@redhat.com> Hello all, PC Pro: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/196605/red-hat-dons-stylish-new-fedora.html Red Hat dons stylish new Fedora Fedora 9 will be put up for download today, and continues the trend of making Linux a more inviting proposition for newcomers. Alongside the more sweeping changes, Fedora 9 takes the new KDE 4 desktop environment for a spin, which not only brings some added glitz but also supports Vista-style widgets and reduces memory consumption, meaning even older machines can benefit from a bit of glamour. Under the hood Fedora 9 brings improved support for Bluetooth, mobile broadband adaptors and virtual operating systems. It also supports ext4, for those looking to tinker with Linux's next generation file-system, and ships with Firefox 3 Beta 5 as standard....... -Kara From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Tue May 13 20:34:00 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:34:00 +0200 Subject: introducing myself :) In-Reply-To: <4820b888.05a0660a.3e4e.5331@mx.google.com> References: <4820b888.05a0660a.3e4e.5331@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4829FB38.8080508@fedoraproject.org> Hello Patrik, Patrik Cevela wrote: > > > Hi! > > I think, it?s polite to introduce myself, because I want to do some > fedora actions in slovakia. > > My name is Patrik Cevela and I live in small town called Liptovsky > Mikulas in Slovakia. > > Why i want to promote Fedora in my country? In Slovakia, many people > knows Ubuntu or Kubuntu, > > but almost nobody knows Fedora and that is pretty frustrating for me. > > So, for the beginning I want to open webshop (later, with gods help, > maybe stone shop) with T-Shirts, stickers and other stuff like that... > > Later, if I can find sponzors, some magazine Ads or even DVD addition > in IT magazines. > > I am studying at High School so I have enough time J > > I am also web administrator for www.scifi-guide.net > (slovak site about scifi ) > > If do you have any questions, you are free to ask. It's nice to have you on board, I'm Fedora Ambassador for Slovak Republic, if you have any question please shoot. > Best Regards > > Patrik Cevela > > Morusova 523/4 > > Liptovsky Mikulas > > 031 04 > > > > ICQ. 112-086-185 -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got some Fedora 9 reviews from german sites: heise open: http://www.heise.de/open/Ein-erster-Blick-auf-Fedora-9--/artikel/107813 Pro-Linux News: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2008/12675.html fedorablog.de: http://www.fedorablog.de/archives/438-Enthaelt-Sulfite-Fedora-9-ist-da!.html Regards, Wolfgang Magerl From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 21:34:07 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Release day metrics Message-ID: Here's some metrics Top links: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topLinks.png (basically how the day went) Top Referrers: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topReferrers.png -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue May 13 21:35:12 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:35:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Release day metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Here's some metrics > > Top links: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topLinks.png (basically how > the day went) > > Top Referrers: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topReferrers.png > I forgot to mention our top referrer... by far.. was start.fedoraproject.org but it made the chart unreadable and is technically... not an external site. -Mike From scott at tekkie.org Tue May 13 21:48:41 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:18:41 -0230 Subject: Release day metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d0809e40805131448s2a8da54cq75a174aa15ae434d@mail.gmail.com> Odd. I went to fp.o and download links were f8. I clicked on the f9 countdown pic and got from there. Our isp throttles torrents. As I was using the bittorrent cmdline and not encryption. Looks like 34 hrs remaining. Lol. On 5/13/08, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > > Here's some metrics > > > > Top links: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topLinks.png (basically how > > the day went) > > > > Top Referrers: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topReferrers.png > > > > I forgot to mention our top referrer... by far.. was > start.fedoraproject.org but it made the chart unreadable and is > technically... not an external site. > > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 08:28:42 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:28:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805140128p6b5675e0gea3f9ae769826e71@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/13 Jonathan Roberts : > Let's put these here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F9 > > I haven't actually created the page yet because it's timing out. Might > be sensible to keep track of things in this thread until the release > activity dies down a bit. Right, I've worked through yesterday's archive and populated that page with the press stories. We should keep adding to these whenever Fedora comes up in the news, and maybe start an F10 page now to follow reports through development. It might be a worthwhile exercise looking through these stories too, and seeing which points they picked up on in the articles and how good a job we did at sending out the messages we wanted. From a quick first look, it seems like we did a good job! I think Paul's interviews worked wonders and definitely managed to focus many of the articles :) It also seems like everyone loved their free USB keys with many of the articles focusing on this point. Best, Jon From luca at foppiano.org Wed May 14 09:18:28 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:18:28 +0200 Subject: general purpose fedora slide template Message-ID: <1210756708.4254.73.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi all, I'm looking for a general fedora slides template. Right now I found only: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations?action=show&redirect=Marketing%2FSlides#head-b406b553b6493a2ec75085856639b4cecc479d11 but are too many customized to old fedora releases. IMHO a generic template may be useful and it should be something similar to fedoraproject wiki style. bye Luca -- Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 61st day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed May 14 10:59:28 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:59:28 +0200 Subject: Confusing CD sleeves... Message-ID: <64b14b300805140359i512ec813y9ead42eb3b623813@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm preparing to manually print CD labels on CD's of Fedora 9 and I would also like to make them look more professional so I'll also print CD sleeves. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9 There are a few things that aren't aren't clear to me. 1. This CD Cover - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cdlabel_sulf_thumb.png It has a bigger center hole than others and printers that I print on can print there. Other CD Covers have blue with just the small hole and that would be better if all CD Covers would be like that with same smaller center white circle. 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=F9_CDSleeve_thumb.png CD and DVD sleeves have text saying "x86_64 Live CD" People ask me a lot "What does that mean", and "is this 64bit only" ... etc... etc... Could you please consider making this text something like (runs on 32 and 64 bit architectures of processors" or something like that that is more human friendly and not confusing? Thank you for making all these great graphics they are great and make Fedora look as great as it runs! ;) Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed May 14 13:09:14 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:09:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora and Facebook Message-ID: <482AE47A.6080803@webpath.net> I attended an interesting talk by Neil Hair, PhD, a marketing professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology. He focuses on new media marketing and suggested that marketing via Facebook is a great idea. So as to not be too late to the Facebook bandwagon, I've added a photo to the Fedora Facebook group [1] Taken at Ohio Linux Fest 2007. (and of all the hats Clay has, he always chooses his Fedora hat) ~Karlie http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 From steve007morris at gmail.com Wed May 14 13:33:27 2008 From: steve007morris at gmail.com (Steve Morris) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:33:27 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 in the press? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805140128p6b5675e0gea3f9ae769826e71@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805130825l77c3b7ebk96e2d8e6ccf16a98@mail.gmail.com> <4829B4BE.8010905@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0805130842q44444214tac105675ab516655@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805140128p6b5675e0gea3f9ae769826e71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <674070810805140633i4f9c80e7l3d08071570527b8b@mail.gmail.com> I would have put this in the location below but it appears that the site is still being hit hard - Woohoo for successful release! Fedora 9 screenshot walkthrough: http://gnuman.com/screenshots.html?gid=35&d6259edcd4f2df665786e2186a9cdfa6=3de6c61425f87e4bc013bc02264ce434 I'll post it below as soon as the traffic calms down some. Steve On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/5/13 Jonathan Roberts : > > Let's put these here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F9 > > > > I haven't actually created the page yet because it's timing out. Might > > be sensible to keep track of things in this thread until the release > > activity dies down a bit. > > Right, I've worked through yesterday's archive and populated that page > with the press stories. We should keep adding to these whenever Fedora > comes up in the news, and maybe start an F10 page now to follow > reports through development. > > It might be a worthwhile exercise looking through these stories too, > and seeing which points they picked up on in the articles and how good > a job we did at sending out the messages we wanted. From a quick first > look, it seems like we did a good job! I think Paul's interviews > worked wonders and definitely managed to focus many of the articles :) > > It also seems like everyone loved their free USB keys with many of the > articles focusing on this point. > > Best, > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Steve Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 14:04:58 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:04:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store mockup Message-ID: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will show all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you can get each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe it would have downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by region of where to go with price estimates? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview ~m From gdk at redhat.com Wed May 14 14:52:17 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Store mockup In-Reply-To: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Mo, this looks fantastic. I have no idea how the store will actually *work* -- but this looks brilliant. --g On Wed, 14 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some > ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will > show all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you > can get each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe > it would have downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by > region of where to go with price estimates? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview > > ~m > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From efeldhusen.lists at gmail.com Wed May 14 15:26:39 2008 From: efeldhusen.lists at gmail.com (Eric J. Feldhusen) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:26:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store mockup In-Reply-To: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <482B04AF.9030002@gmail.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some > ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will > show all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you > can get each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe > it would have downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by > region of where to go with price estimates? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview I like the bulk purchase option. I'd probably do that to have items for handing out. Eric From axelilly at gmail.com Wed May 14 15:27:57 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:27:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store mockup In-Reply-To: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some > ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will show > all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you can get > each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe it would have > downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by region of where > to go with price estimates? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview > > ~m > Wow! I really like the mock up. Very good job. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The feature allows anyone with a low-cost, 1-GB or 2-GB memory stick to carry a desktop around for use on any common x86 instruction set hardware" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 16:56:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:26:35 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's Fedora 9 debuts with new features Message-ID: <482B19C3.3020708@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9085258&intsrc=hm_list "Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader at Red Hat, said the new USB thumb drive capabilities include another huge feature for users called "persistence." With persistence, changes can be saved in the operating system image on the thumb drive, allowing them to remain or "persist" whenever the drive is booted up again in the future." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 16:59:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:29:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Released: OS Adds Features, Revamped Look, and Portability Message-ID: <482B1A7A.4020206@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006954.html " Fedora 9 adds key new features to the Linux OS including the addition of the KDE 4 desktop environment that defines the look and feel of this OS. Another key feature added is the ability to run the Fedora 9 OS from a USB drive. You can not only boot the OS from a USB drive, but can also add applications and store data to the drive (a true portable OS)." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 17:03:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:33:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 hits the streets Message-ID: <482B1B6E.70204@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/051308-fedora-9.html "Distribution includes KDE, identity, authentication tools and Gnome 2.22" "FreeIPA (identity, policy, audit) includes Fedora, Fedora directory server, FreeRadius, MIT Kerberos, NTP, DNS, Samba and Web browser or command line tools for provisioning and administration. Paul Frields, Red Hat's project leader for Fedora, said in March that the Fedora Project plans to integrate certificate management and "later on down the road to do centrally managed group access control and collection of audit logs." " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 17:06:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:36:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9: Get yours and get involved Message-ID: <482B1C00.5030401@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/13/fedora-9-get-yours-and-get-involved/ "Over the last year, we?ve seen the number of contributors skyrocket along with the popularity of our ?upstream? mantra. Our users?over 2.2 million just for Fedora 8?know that we strive to provide the very best in what works today, with every release. Our developer contributors understand that working closely with upstream communities leads to better code, features, maintainability, and adoption throughout the FOSS world." Rahul From romal at gmx.de Wed May 14 17:56:12 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:56:12 +0200 Subject: Printing the posters Message-ID: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> Hi, I wanted to print the posters from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral But the company can`t process the svg-graphic-files. I tried to produce some pdfs, but they are always corrupted. I used printing to cups and the Inkscape integrated pdf-export, both busted the files. Does anyone have some printable files (in A1) ? PDFs with embedded fonts, Postscript, ... cu romal From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:13:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:43:41 +0530 Subject: Red Hat Launches Red Hot Fedora 9 Message-ID: <482B2BD5.1000509@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Hat_Launches_Red_Hot_Fedora_9_17582.html "Another good addition for Fedora 9 is called PackageKit and works as a universal frontend for package management. Some features introduced with Fedora 8, such as the PulseAudio sound server and the PolicyKit secure privilege escalation system, have returned in a better integrated and a more complete way. Also, the Nodoka theme, appears cleaner and feels more polished." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:15:23 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:45:23 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9: All That and a Bag O' Chips Message-ID: <482B2C3B.5080801@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry2450.html "Fedora 9 also gives you the options of the new ext4 filesystem, encrypted filesystems, partition resizing, and Xen virtualization enhancements. The ext4 filesystem is a higher-performance, high capacity filesystem based on the ext3 filesystem. Anaconda, the Fedora installer program, allows you to resize ext2/ext3, and NT filesystems. You can also create and install to encrypted filesystems." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:16:00 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:46:00 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Released Message-ID: <482B2C60.6000508@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/05/13/165239.shtml Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:17:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:47:59 +0530 Subject: Acid Test For Windows: Fedora Sulphur Is Here Message-ID: <482B2CD7.9000607@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/fcreative.asp?edid=26499 "The best part with most GNU/Linux distros is you can try them even without touching your hard drive. So, you can try Fedora 9 Live CD to have a look at the offering; and then you may go on to install it. Now, what's better? A lot." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:20:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:50:41 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Ships Message-ID: <482B2D79.9010806@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2428 "Fedora 9, code-named Sulphur, was developed by more than 2,000 volunteer developers, said Paul Frields, Fedora?s recently-appointed project leader." "Version 9 offers a variety of aesthetic and functional improvements, ranging from a ?surgery free facelift? to live USB with persistence, which turns any USB key into a bootable, portable Fedora OS users can take anywhere and use on any system that boots with USB." Rahul From angel.fedora at gmail.com Wed May 14 18:12:31 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:12:31 +0600 Subject: First Look at Sulphur, Fedora 9 Message-ID: *First Look at Sulphur, Fedora 9* http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Look-at-Sulphur-Fedora-9-85520.shtml "Believe it or not, Fedora 9 (dubbed Sulphur) is here! It was OFFICIALLY released (as expected) today May 13th, 2008. With hard drive encryption support implemented in the graphical installer (a feature that is missing from the popular Ubuntu distribution), latest Linux kernel 2.6.25, GNOME 2.22.1, GIMP 2.4.5 and Firefox 3 Beta 5, we guess the final release will really rock your world and it is our pleasure, here at Softpedia Labs, to introduce you to the latest features of Fedora 9" -- Softpedia -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone wants to take a closer look, please do. http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB "On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux distribution that will probably serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can rightly claim extensive experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it practically invented the market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure an extensive repository of prebuilt software. The hardware support is right up there with any other user-friendly distribution. But my experiences with trying a multiboot install make me leery of recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a dual-boot environment. The distribution may be robust, but the installer needs to learn to play better with others. It's also a little too intimidating for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any less-experienced friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an afternoon to help them out." Rahul From angel.fedora at gmail.com Wed May 14 18:23:02 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:23:02 +0600 Subject: Fedora 9 "Sulphur" Linux distribution released Message-ID: Fedora 9 "Sulphur" Linux distribution released"Following a half-year of development and three weeks after the release of the new version of Ubuntu, the Fedora Project has introduced the Fedora 9Linux distribution. As usual for Fedora, the distribution, with its Linux 2.6.25 kernel, Glibc 2.8, and current versions of GNOME and KDE, is highly up to date. With its pre-release version of X Server 1.5 for X.org 7.4, it is so current that the proprietary AMD and Nvidia drivers don't yet work with the free version of Fedora 9." -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With its pre-release version of X Server 1.5 for X.org 7.4, it > is so current that the proprietary AMD and Nvidia drivers don't yet work > with the free version of Fedora 9." > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0xC4639705 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman > -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 18:57:49 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:49 +0200 Subject: Printing the posters In-Reply-To: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> References: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200805142057.56460.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 19:56:12 schrieb Robert M. Albrecht: > I wanted to print the posters from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > But the company can`t process the svg-graphic-files. I tried to produce > some pdfs, but they are always corrupted. I used printing to cups and > the Inkscape integrated pdf-export, both busted the files. > Does anyone have some printable files (in A1) ? PDFs with embedded > fonts, Postscript, ... If they use Mac or Windows vectors will not work i used png and get great results for A1. https://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/posters.tar.gz You plan this for Linuxtag? Gruss J?rg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From axelilly at gmail.com Wed May 14 19:07:52 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:07:52 -0400 Subject: Printing the posters In-Reply-To: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> References: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to print the posters from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > But the company can`t process the svg-graphic-files. I tried to produce > some pdfs, but they are always corrupted. I used printing to cups and the > Inkscape integrated pdf-export, both busted the files. > > Does anyone have some printable files (in A1) ? PDFs with embedded fonts, > Postscript, ... > > cu romal > > -- > Use inkscape to export the posters to PNG. I was then able to get the PNG files printed with no problems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 19:17:48 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:17:48 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Printing the posters Message-ID: <200805142117.48866.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 20:57:49 schrieb JoergSimon: > > If they use Mac or Windows vectors will not work i used png > and get great results for A1. > https://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/posters.tar.gz aaaahhhh i am so ... http://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/posters.tar.gz -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From romal at gmx.de Wed May 14 20:15:38 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:15:38 +0200 Subject: Printing the posters In-Reply-To: References: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> Message-ID: <482B486A.8060500@gmx.de> Hi, I tried, does not work. The background is distorted. Also I want to print them in A1, so bitmap files would be really large. cu romal Jason Fenner schrieb: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Robert M. Albrecht > wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to print the posters from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral > > But the company can`t process the svg-graphic-files. I tried to > produce some pdfs, but they are always corrupted. I used printing to > cups and the Inkscape integrated pdf-export, both busted the files. > > Does anyone have some printable files (in A1) ? PDFs with embedded > fonts, Postscript, ... > > cu romal > > -- > > > Use inkscape to export the posters to PNG. I was then able to get the > PNG files printed with no problems. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: grey.png Type: image/png Size: 84716 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 14 20:16:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:16:01 +0000 Subject: Fedora sign Message-ID: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this purpose. I think mizmo reads this list, but if not I've cc'd the Artwork list. Mo, would the Artwork project be able to help us with a simple design for a sign? I've already alerted the Summit folks that we need to know: 1. file format required 2. size target for the sign 3. any other requirements from the signage producers I hope to have the quotes ready on Thursday morning. Would you guys be able to produce something by, say, Friday morning? I apologize for the short deadline. The opportunity came up quickly so I tried to seize it. :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From romal at gmx.de Wed May 14 20:20:51 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:20:51 +0200 Subject: general purpose fedora slide template In-Reply-To: <1210756708.4254.73.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1210756708.4254.73.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <482B49A3.6060408@gmx.de> Hi, I could really use one too. Something light and bright, that does not distract to much from the text. cu romal Luca Foppiano schrieb: > Hi all, > I'm looking for a general fedora slides template. Right now I found > only: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations?action=show&redirect=Marketing%2FSlides#head-b406b553b6493a2ec75085856639b4cecc479d11 > > but are too many customized to old fedora releases. > > IMHO a generic template may be useful and it should be something similar > to fedoraproject wiki style. > > bye > Luca From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 20:51:16 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:51:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <482B50C4.4060305@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up > for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage > we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this > purpose. > > I think mizmo reads this list, but if not I've cc'd the Artwork list. > Mo, would the Artwork project be able to help us with a simple design > for a sign? > > I've already alerted the Summit folks that we need to know: > > 1. file format required > 2. size target for the sign > 3. any other requirements from the signage producers > > I hope to have the quotes ready on Thursday morning. Would you guys be > able to produce something by, say, Friday morning? Sure :) ~m From mastahnke at gmail.com Wed May 14 23:59:57 2008 From: mastahnke at gmail.com (Michael Stahnke) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:59:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora Store mockup In-Reply-To: References: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7874d9dd0805141659i428ff11cp988310f7c197cf9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/14 Jason Fenner : > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some >> ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will show >> all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you can get >> each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe it would have >> downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by region of where >> to go with price estimates? >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview >> >> ~m > > Wow! > > I really like the mock up. Very good job. What he said. I wish I was 1/10 as artistic as you are. stahnma > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mspevack at redhat.com Thu May 15 00:21:22 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: general purpose fedora slide template In-Reply-To: <1210756708.4254.73.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1210756708.4254.73.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Presentations The /wiki/Presentations page is horribly old, outdated, and really needs to be cleaned up, and vetted. --Max From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu May 15 00:42:45 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:42:45 -0400 Subject: Release day metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210812165.26278.162.camel@ignacio.lan> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 16:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > Top Referrers: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topReferrers.png Wait, what? One of the top referrers was a Polish Pok?mon forum? O_o Strange bedfellows indeed... -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu May 15 00:59:51 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:59:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Release day metrics In-Reply-To: <1210812165.26278.162.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1210812165.26278.162.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 16:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Top Referrers: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/topReferrers.png > > Wait, what? One of the top referrers was a Polish Pok?mon forum? O_o > > Strange bedfellows indeed... > I thought that was funny too but behold: http://pokemonpl.net/ Its there :) -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 01:27:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:57:53 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 and the road to KDE4 Message-ID: <482B9199.7070903@fedoraproject.org> Hi, A KDE 4 review from me. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/ "KDE 4 shows exciting potential but still has a long way to go. Those who remember the days of KDE or GNOME 2.0 won?t be disappointed at the current state. Today?s new audience might have different expectations, and it is unlikely the majority has the patience to deal with a major rewrite like this one. Even the Linux kernel has moved towards incremental progress over major rewrites in a development branch. The KDE project has taken a big risk, hoping to jump-start innovation. I hope they get it right. Along with the interesting acquisition of Trolltech by Nokia, the future is exciting and uncertain? and that?s just the way I like it." Rahul From linux at elfshadow.net Thu May 15 01:41:26 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:41:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store mockup In-Reply-To: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <482AF18A.8080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00805141841q667dfbd6v4a1cf09aaffec15e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some ideas > for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will show all the > possible products and maybe list which external sites you can get each in > (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe it would have > downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by region of where > to go with price estimates? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview This is awesome! Very, very nice looking. Thank you for putting all the work into the mockup. And I like your idea of how to pull this off. A store.fp.o page where we can showcase the products and then links from there to take people to the external site(s) we choose for actual purchase of the product. I think that could work well. And I love the bulk orders idea as well. This would make producing material in bulk for local shows so much easier for ambassadors. Thanks again for the work you put into this! ~Jeffrey From angel.fedora at gmail.com Thu May 15 03:48:00 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:48:00 +0600 Subject: Fedora 9 Sulpher: First Impression Message-ID: Hi, Just released Fedora 9 Sulpher. I hope, you already downloaded and installed it. Surely, you loved it. Tell us, about your experience. How is Sulpher? what do you think about Sulpher? Thank you. -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 15 06:08:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:08:13 +0300 Subject: Printing the posters In-Reply-To: <482B486A.8060500@gmx.de> References: <482B27BC.2060300@gmx.de> <482B486A.8060500@gmx.de> Message-ID: <482BD34D.1060507@nicubunu.ro> Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > > I tried, does not work. The background is distorted. The background is distorted for PNG export? That's impossible... can you please show the bug? > Also I want to print them in A1, so bitmap files would be really large. Since the PDF export does not support all the features, you will have either to find a print shop that accept SVG (Adobe Illustrator and Corel Draw are in fact able to open SVG files) or live with large raster files (maybe convert the PNG to a lossy format, either JPEG or compressed TIFF - do this with GIMP). > Jason Fenner schrieb: >> >> Use inkscape to export the posters to PNG. I was then able to get the >> PNG files printed with no problems. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From danishka at gmail.com Thu May 15 07:46:09 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:16:09 +0530 Subject: Installation options Message-ID: Hi Guys, Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a dual boot. The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot it took the normal installation procedure. But there is no grub, windoz manage it. Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also available the same feature. 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Ubuntu has got the woobi installer which is part of 8.04 and that does this job of running Ubuntu inside windows but Fedora currently does not have this feature Cheers Balaji On 5/15/08, Danishka Navin wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation > feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, > as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a dual > boot. > The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot it > took the normal installation procedure. > But there is no grub, windoz manage it. > > Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also available the > same feature. > > Regards, > Danishka > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From santosh at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 07:59:48 2008 From: santosh at fedoraproject.org (Santosh Kumar) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:59:48 -0500 Subject: Installation options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi Danishka are u referring to the livecd like feature, where in u first get the feel of ubuntu and then get to install it??? Regards Santosh 2008/5/15 Danishka Navin : > Hi Guys, > > Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation > feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, > as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a dual > boot. > The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot it > took the normal installation procedure. > But there is no grub, windoz manage it. > > Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also available > the same feature. > > Regards, > Danishka > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balajig81 at gmail.com Thu May 15 08:04:24 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:34:24 +0530 Subject: Installation options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6dd1343e0805150104p3f8ed87dl84899085b52a3e92@mail.gmail.com> Hi Santosh > are u referring to the livecd like feature, where in u first get the feel > of ubuntu and then get to install it??? He is talking about the new installer which got released in 8.04. Its the wubi installer which is part of 8.04 which allows you to install Ubuntu as an application inside windows. Cheers Balaji On 5/15/08, Santosh Kumar wrote: > hi Danishka > are u referring to the livecd like feature, where in u first get the feel > of ubuntu and then get to install it??? > > Regards > Santosh > > 2008/5/15 Danishka Navin : > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation > feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, > > as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a dual > boot. > > The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot it > took the normal installation procedure. > > But there is no grub, windoz manage it. > > > > Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also available > the same feature. > > > > Regards, > > Danishka > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From danishka at gmail.com Thu May 15 08:09:31 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:39:31 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Installation options In-Reply-To: <6dd1343e0805150104p3f8ed87dl84899085b52a3e92@mail.gmail.com> References: <6dd1343e0805150104p3f8ed87dl84899085b52a3e92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > On 5/15/08, Santosh Kumar wrote: > > hi Danishka > > are u referring to the livecd like feature, where in u first get the > feel > > of ubuntu and then get to install it??? No, dude Fedora also having the Live CD feature, localized spins too :) > > > > > Regards > > Santosh > > > > 2008/5/15 Danishka Navin : > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation > > feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, > > > as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a > dual > > boot. > > > The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot > it > > took the normal installation procedure. > > > But there is no grub, windoz manage it. > > > > > > Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also > available > > the same feature. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Danishka > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balajig81 at gmail.com Thu May 15 08:15:07 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:45:07 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Installation options In-Reply-To: References: <6dd1343e0805150104p3f8ed87dl84899085b52a3e92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6dd1343e0805150115m2e41f375l7a43bb83fff04a06@mail.gmail.com> > No, dude > Fedora also having the Live CD feature, localized spins too :) But thats only at the time you start the system you dont invoke it from windows. i guess you were asking about the installer getting invoked from windows environment . If yes then fedora does not have this as of now . More info on how Ubuntu does this http://wubi-installer.org/ Cheers Balaji On 5/15/08, Danishka Navin wrote: > > > > > > > On 5/15/08, Santosh Kumar wrote: > > > hi Danishka > > > are u referring to the livecd like feature, where in u first get the > feel > > > of ubuntu and then get to install it??? > > No, dude > Fedora also having the Live CD feature, localized spins too :) > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Santosh > > > > > > 2008/5/15 Danishka Navin : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > Recently one of my friend demonstrated the New Ubuntu (8) Installation > > > feature for Windoz people, who wants to switch to GNU/Linux, > > > > as most people scared of installing GNU/Linux on there Win Box as a > dual > > > boot. > > > > The Ubuntu installer was started from Windoz env, and after 1st reboot > it > > > took the normal installation procedure. > > > > But there is no grub, windoz manage it. > > > > > > > > Still I didn't upgraded my F8 box with F9, so not sure F9 also > available > > > the same feature. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Danishka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Danishka Navin > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode > fonts) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 08:59:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:29:07 +0530 Subject: Fedora Linux 9 Is Here Message-ID: <482BFB5B.1010002@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.americandaily.com/article/22143 "As a side note, the Fedora Free Media Program is in need of donations no matter now small to assist people that can't afford to pay for purchasing a CD or DVD delivery of the OS. I have scrounged up a total of $26.00 to donate, maybe you could add to the pot? If 1000 people donated just $5.00 , the program would be greatly expanded." Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 11:34:37 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:34:37 +0100 Subject: Fedora Store and sources Message-ID: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, one thing I think we should definitely consider in creating a Fedora Store and where we source our materials from. From my own perspective, if we're going to run a store like this we can't get t-shirts, hats etc and/or cotton that has been manufactured by companies who don't pay a fair wage in awful working conditions. Maybe we should explore fair trade suppliers? Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few possible connections that I'd be able to explore. Best wishes, Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Thu May 15 12:39:09 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:39:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store and sources In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00805150539p7b8739d7jefcbabd71688f0a4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, Hi Jon! > one thing I think we should definitely consider in creating a Fedora > Store and where we source our materials from. From my own perspective, > if we're going to run a store like this we can't get t-shirts, hats > etc and/or cotton that has been manufactured by companies who don't > pay a fair wage in awful working conditions. Maybe we should explore > fair trade suppliers? We are looking to have all of the purchase transactions, printing and such handled by a 3rd party. Fedora does not currently have the means to handle maintaining the inventory or purchasing infrastructure. This has had us looking at places like cafepress, spreadshirt.com and such who do printing on demand to help make sure Fedora Project does not end up with money sitting on shelves as inventory. >From the 3rd party print on demand vendors the Store SIG has evaluated so far, spreadshirt.com seems to offer the most reasonable solution at the moment. Some of the pros and cons for them are listed here (as are some from other vendors we looked at): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Spreadshirt does offer American Apparel shirts who say they are "sweatshop free". They also offer an organic shirt which is listed as: "Certified by the Control Union World Group, to the Organic Exchange 100 guidelines and the SKAL International standards for sustainable textile production." Now, spreadshirt also offers more traditional shirts and are not an exclusive Fair Trade shop. But at least we present a potential Fedora store customer with a choice to support fair trade. > Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here > in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few > possible connections that I'd be able to explore. To be honest, I am not sure how popular it is in the US. My wife keeps our family very well aware of it and she does make an effort to buy fair trade goods. Not sure how prevalent it is beyond my household though. :) If you have something in mind, feel free to outline the details and post to the list and update the Potential Distributors page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors If you can find something that meets the basic requirements [1] of the store then we could certainly consider it. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store#head-15d00b5f393cafd637c16762747cc02d76e91099 From linux at elfshadow.net Thu May 15 12:39:09 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:39:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora Store and sources In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00805150539p7b8739d7jefcbabd71688f0a4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, Hi Jon! > one thing I think we should definitely consider in creating a Fedora > Store and where we source our materials from. From my own perspective, > if we're going to run a store like this we can't get t-shirts, hats > etc and/or cotton that has been manufactured by companies who don't > pay a fair wage in awful working conditions. Maybe we should explore > fair trade suppliers? We are looking to have all of the purchase transactions, printing and such handled by a 3rd party. Fedora does not currently have the means to handle maintaining the inventory or purchasing infrastructure. This has had us looking at places like cafepress, spreadshirt.com and such who do printing on demand to help make sure Fedora Project does not end up with money sitting on shelves as inventory. >From the 3rd party print on demand vendors the Store SIG has evaluated so far, spreadshirt.com seems to offer the most reasonable solution at the moment. Some of the pros and cons for them are listed here (as are some from other vendors we looked at): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Spreadshirt does offer American Apparel shirts who say they are "sweatshop free". They also offer an organic shirt which is listed as: "Certified by the Control Union World Group, to the Organic Exchange 100 guidelines and the SKAL International standards for sustainable textile production." Now, spreadshirt also offers more traditional shirts and are not an exclusive Fair Trade shop. But at least we present a potential Fedora store customer with a choice to support fair trade. > Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here > in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few > possible connections that I'd be able to explore. To be honest, I am not sure how popular it is in the US. My wife keeps our family very well aware of it and she does make an effort to buy fair trade goods. Not sure how prevalent it is beyond my household though. :) If you have something in mind, feel free to outline the details and post to the list and update the Potential Distributors page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors If you can find something that meets the basic requirements [1] of the store then we could certainly consider it. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store#head-15d00b5f393cafd637c16762747cc02d76e91099 From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 15 13:40:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:40:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Sulpher: First Impression In-Reply-To: <1210852294.6072.2.camel@149-159-132-185.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu> References: <1210852294.6072.2.camel@149-159-132-185.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <1210858838.20001.38.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 07:51 -0400, Yu Feng wrote: > Everything is fine except the low quality graphics for GDM. It looks > like an over-compressed jpeg file. ?I'd rather to use a black screen as > background instead, but there is even no way to change the background > (yet). Very happy that you guys are trying out the distribution. However, you should discuss these topics on fedora-list, and not the lists intended for discussion of infrastructure, marketing, and translation. Thanks! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 13:53:56 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:53:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Store and sources In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00805150539p7b8739d7jefcbabd71688f0a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805150434x79ebbe88xd81f40cbcc4ca153@mail.gmail.com> <10e0a9b00805150539p7b8739d7jefcbabd71688f0a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805150653m22a81c38n55c06814f4471336@mail.gmail.com> > We are looking to have all of the purchase transactions, printing and > such handled by a 3rd party. Fedora does not currently have the means > to handle maintaining the inventory or purchasing infrastructure. > This has had us looking at places like cafepress, spreadshirt.com and > such who do printing on demand to help make sure Fedora Project does > not end up with money sitting on shelves as inventory. That's a very reasonable concern :) > >From the 3rd party print on demand vendors the Store SIG has evaluated > so far, spreadshirt.com seems to offer the most reasonable solution at > the moment. Some of the pros and cons for them are listed here (as > are some from other vendors we looked at): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors > > Spreadshirt does offer American Apparel shirts who say they are > "sweatshop free". They also offer an organic shirt which is listed > as: One concern I'd have is that "sweatshop free" is very different to somebody receiving a fair wage for their work. But I guess it's a step in the right direction. > "Certified by the Control Union World Group, to the Organic Exchange > 100 guidelines and the SKAL International standards for sustainable > textile production." Organic cotton is a significant +. I don't suppose people know about the issues surrounding growing cotton, but it does account for approximately 15-20% of the world's pesticide use, some of which makes it's way into water supplies etc. > Now, spreadshirt also offers more traditional shirts and are not an > exclusive Fair Trade shop. But at least we present a potential Fedora > store customer with a choice to support fair trade. I guess my question would be, if we have the option, would we want to support non-fair trade and manufacturing practices? >> Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here >> in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few >> possible connections that I'd be able to explore. > > To be honest, I am not sure how popular it is in the US. My wife > keeps our family very well aware of it and she does make an effort to > buy fair trade goods. Not sure how prevalent it is beyond my > household though. :) > > If you have something in mind, feel free to outline the details and > post to the list and update the Potential Distributors page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors I will see what I can come up with :) I think the print on demand limit could be a problem though, but I'm at least pleased to see that spreadshirt.com makes some effort! Best wishes, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 15 14:13:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:13:34 +0000 Subject: Linux examined: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <482B2DFA.3040909@fedoraproject.org> References: <482B2DFA.3040909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1210860814.20001.45.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 23:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > We have to review the complaints here and address them. If anyone wants > to take a closer look, please do. > > http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB > > "On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux distribution that will probably > serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can rightly claim extensive > experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it practically invented the > market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure an extensive > repository of prebuilt software. The hardware support is right up there > with any other user-friendly distribution. > > But my experiences with trying a multiboot install make me leery of > recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a dual-boot > environment. The distribution may be robust, but the installer needs to > learn to play better with others. It's also a little too intimidating > for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any less-experienced > friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an afternoon to help them > out." I'm confused by the article's premise. The author claims to be testing on the basis of whether a "newbie" could install Fedora, but he tests it on a system that is completely unrelated to that use case -- a previously multi-boot system with what sounds like several existing (or previously existing) Linux distributions. Some of the errors he encounters are certainly bugs, and I've already seen some of these reported in other places. An example is the Anaconda error loop, which the author reports but did not file, although he filed another bug, so bravo there. I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should think about is a way to expose more details about the test configurations they use for banging on the installer. These could be exposed to the media for our Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger user base, to make sure that people are expanding on those configurations, rather than duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of others. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Thu May 15 15:10:52 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:10:52 -0400 Subject: Linux examined: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1210860814.20001.45.camel@victoria> References: <482B2DFA.3040909@fedoraproject.org> <1210860814.20001.45.camel@victoria> Message-ID: 2008/5/15 Paul W. Frields : > I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should think about is a way > to expose more details about the test configurations they use for > banging on the installer. These could be exposed to the media for our > Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger user base, to make > sure that people are expanding on those configurations, rather than > duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of others. Our test matrix is available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease Admittedly, we need A LOT more detail on the tested hardware in these, but these are the high-level test cases that we use. Note the absence of dual-boot systems in there - that very probably is a gap in our test coverage, but all of these are manual test cases, since we currently have no viable automated test harness, and every one of these tests take time. A dual-boot test would take even more time (which is, unfortunately, a finite resource) A lot of testing is also done in KVM/QEMU/VMWare (yes, that's me using proprietary software, but given our usage profile, I think that it's essential test coverage), and not on real hardware. I know that one of the proposals that we were floating in the QA team was requiring smolt profiles for each test case, so that we could tell how it was tested and that the test succeeded. We'll probably be talking more about this internally in QA in the future, no decision has yet been made to my knowledge (but I think it's an excellent idea). From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 15:13:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:13:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <482C532F.9090607@fedoraproject.org> Hey peeps, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up > for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage > we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this > purpose. So here's an update to keep you all in the loop: - We're going to need 4 sign designs for FUDcon: -- 1 large quote sign, 44x56 inches (quotes below) -- 3 conference room signs, 22x28 inches: --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Hackfest" --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Presentations / Hackfest" --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Lounge" The file/format requirements are as follows: - Full quarter inch bleed - CMYK color (need scribus!) - EPS (need scribus!) My workflow is probably going to be to do NO ALPHA GRADIENT artwork in Inkscape (Scribus doesn't like alpha gradients :-p), and keep the text and fills/gradients for the BG in Scribus. Because our deadline is tight on this I'm starting work NOW; I'll be in #fedora-art and likely will be posting works in progress there so if you're interested in helping out you're welcome to join in. :) ~m From paulds at bu.edu Thu May 15 15:47:16 2008 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:47:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <482C532F.9090607@fedoraproject.org> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482C532F.9090607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080515154716.GB16988@cs.bu.edu> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:13:51AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - We're going to need 4 sign designs for FUDcon: > -- 1 large quote sign, 44x56 inches (quotes below) > -- 3 conference room signs, 22x28 inches: > --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Hackfest" > --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Presentations / Hackfest" > --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: "Lounge" This is not at all vital, but it would also be nice to have some sort of "Welcome to FUDPub" poster design to greet people at the pub like we did last year. I have an HP Designjet 4000ps here, so I could take care of printing this one myself, if someone else can provide their artistic design talents. :) It would need to be designed for 42"xN", where N is whatever makes the proportions look right. Let me know if anyone feels like tackling this. If there's not time, no big deal. cheers, - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu May 15 17:40:46 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:40:46 -0300 (ART) Subject: Linux examined: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1210860814.20001.45.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604099.94978.qm@web39201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We have here 2 bugs who is not been seen as a advantage for Fedora. Some users are angry, and Ubuntu users love these problems to show that our distro has bugs in the release too. The first one is 3 versions old (yes, Fedora 6 problem): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221336 Second, this is not a bug, is a decision made and users who has Synaptic Touchpad are angry with that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439386 Questions, this problems should be fixed, but when? Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes --- "Paul W. Frields" escreveu: > On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 23:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have to review the complaints here and address > them. If anyone wants > > to take a closer look, please do. > > > > > http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB > > > > "On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux > distribution that will probably > > serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can > rightly claim extensive > > experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it > practically invented the > > market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure > an extensive > > repository of prebuilt software. The hardware > support is right up there > > with any other user-friendly distribution. > > > > But my experiences with trying a multiboot install > make me leery of > > recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a > dual-boot > > environment. The distribution may be robust, but > the installer needs to > > learn to play better with others. It's also a > little too intimidating > > for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any > less-experienced > > friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an > afternoon to help them > > out." > > I'm confused by the article's premise. The author > claims to be testing > on the basis of whether a "newbie" could install > Fedora, but he tests it > on a system that is completely unrelated to that use > case -- a > previously multi-boot system with what sounds like > several existing (or > previously existing) Linux distributions. > > Some of the errors he encounters are certainly bugs, > and I've already > seen some of these reported in other places. An > example is the Anaconda > error loop, which the author reports but did not > file, although he filed > another bug, so bravo there. > > I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should > think about is a way > to expose more details about the test configurations > they use for > banging on the installer. These could be exposed to > the media for our > Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger > user base, to make > sure that people are expanding on those > configurations, rather than > duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of > others. > > -- > Paul W. Frields > http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 > ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - > http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, > #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 17:55:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:25:50 +0530 Subject: Linux examined: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <604099.94978.qm@web39201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <604099.94978.qm@web39201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482C7926.2050701@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > We have here 2 bugs who is not been seen as a > advantage for Fedora. Some users are angry, and Ubuntu > users love these problems to show that our distro has > bugs in the release too. The first one is 3 versions > old (yes, Fedora 6 problem): > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221336 > > Second, this is not a bug, is a decision made and > users who has Synaptic Touchpad are angry with that: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439386 > > Questions, this problems should be fixed, but when? Post to fedora-devel list about this. That's a much better list for such discussions. Also other distributions aren't really in a state to be throwing stones right now. I could point out their bug trackers too but that would be scooping down way too low. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 21:50:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:20:25 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 "Sulphur": Less Hype, All Business Message-ID: <482CB021.1060002@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.junauza.com/2008/05/fedora-9-suphur-less-hype-all-business.html "Though I didn't notice a lot of sites and blogs that displayed a release countdown image, I didn't care because I'm still pretty much excited about Fedora 9. Counting on some rave reviews of Fedora 9 "Preview" HERE and HERE, I expect this new version to be the best release ever. To really know why I'm so thrilled about it, here is a list of new features that are included in Fedora 9" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 22:44:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:14:28 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Sulphur makes its way into the world Message-ID: <482CBCCC.6090406@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/13/fedora-9-sulphur-makes-its-way-into-the-world/ "The OS updates are coming fast and furious these days, and the latest off the block is Fedora 9 Sulphur. Improvements include better KDE Desktop 4.0.3, better Bluetooth support, a revised Anaconda system installer, support for persistent Live USB key installations, and lots more. Should be all over the torrents now -- get downloading and let us know how it goes" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 22:44:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:14:31 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's Fedora 9 Linux Now Runs Off USB Keys Message-ID: <482CBCCF.6060105@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.everythingusb.com/fedora-9-14701.html "Creating a portable Linux desktop, according to Fedora project leader Paul Frields, opens up new opportunities for "low-heat producing, low-power consuming mobile devices..." that run off a comfortably on a 2GB USB drive. Another idea would be to install public kiosks in school or Starbucks where users can boot off their own Linux OS with all the familiar applications on a thumbdrive. Unfortunately, large footprint apps like OpenOffice and multi-language support, are off limits to this approach, but users can still combine small apps like AbitWord, email, calender & browser without taking too much memory. " Rahul From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Fri May 16 02:35:47 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:35:47 -0400 Subject: Virtual FUDcon Proposal Message-ID: *Hello to everyone who cares about Fedora!!!* I come to you with a proposal about how a "Virtual FUDcon" could be set up on a web site... When a REAL Convention is happening in a city, a virtual extension takes place as well. On my Linux Blog (http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com,) there is a example of what I will describe is shown, made in GIMP. A web site is set up with a live video feed, archived video links, a ticker for alerts, and IRC-style chat rooms called "booths." 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If yes then fedora does not have > this as of now . > More info on how Ubuntu does this http://wubi-installer.org/ > I wonder if this is possible through some modification of the LiveUSB-Creator to install on harddisk instead of USB .. and make the syslinux setup able to load the installed Windows env .. -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From nayyares at gmail.com Fri May 16 06:05:05 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:05:05 +0200 Subject: Virtual FUDcon Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30805152305j50f1ce8et4b76c30c4a1ffa76@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/16 Markus McLaughlin : > *Hello to everyone who cares about Fedora!!!* > > I come to you with a proposal about how a "Virtual FUDcon" could be set up > on a web site... > When a REAL Convention is happening in a city, a virtual extension takes > place as well. > On my Linux Blog (http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com,) there is a example of > what I will > describe is shown, made in GIMP. A web site is set up with a live video > feed, archived > video links, a ticker for alerts, and IRC-style chat rooms called > "booths." Please consider > using this "Virtual Convention" concept for FUDcon 2009 or any other > Convention/Event!!! Hi Markus, The idea of having Virtual FUDcon is nice, but we should keep in mind that Middle East & Afircan fedora users might not be able to attend this, because of low internet bandwidth & high cost...i am afraid to say most part of these contenent might not be able to watch this real time vide steaming...in my opinion it would be better if we upload FUDcon recorded video, inclduing question n answers session, so if someone wants to check out later the event from his/her home, they can use these archived video...while fedora users mailing list is quite effective they can get answer easily anytime... Thanks > > > *Sincerely, > Mark McLaughlin* > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri May 16 06:21:39 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:21:39 +0200 Subject: LINdependence 2008 - no Fedora? Message-ID: <64b14b300805152321u74957881p9bb4b6667df10453@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I heard about LINdependence 2008 on a podcast [1] and now lots of distributions are jumping in to help out but there was no mention of Fedora. Are there any Ambassadors that are willing to help in this project? It has to be someone who is closer to the location (Felton, California) of someone willing to travel a bit. If I get the travel expenses I'll go :) But it is obviously better that someone local goes there. More info about this can be heard and read here: http://faq.fixedbylinux.com-a.googlepages.com/lindependence2008-bringinglinuxtothemass http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/02/linependence-2008.html [1] http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheLinuxLinkTechShowMp3Feed/~3/267434120/tllts_240-04-09-08.mp3 Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri May 16 07:00:28 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:00:28 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 a Bit Behind the Curve On Installation Message-ID: <64b14b300805160000q29766c6m5a69e95573927d63@mail.gmail.com> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/05/14/2145254.shtml -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From scott at tekkie.org Fri May 16 12:07:49 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:37:49 -0230 Subject: Virtual FUDcon Proposal In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30805152305j50f1ce8et4b76c30c4a1ffa76@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30805152305j50f1ce8et4b76c30c4a1ffa76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d0809e40805160507x52696797pda8e28119fdde153@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/16 Nayyar Ahmad : > > > 2008/5/16 Markus McLaughlin : > > *Hello to everyone who cares about Fedora!!!* >> >> I come to you with a proposal about how a "Virtual FUDcon" could be set up >> on a web site... >> When a REAL Convention is happening in a city, a virtual extension takes >> place as well. >> On my Linux Blog (http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com,) there is a example of >> what I will >> describe is shown, made in GIMP. A web site is set up with a live video >> feed, archived >> video links, a ticker for alerts, and IRC-style chat rooms called >> "booths." Please consider >> using this "Virtual Convention" concept for FUDcon 2009 or any other >> Convention/Event!!! > > Hi Markus, > > The idea of having Virtual FUDcon is nice, but we should keep in mind that > Middle East & Afircan fedora users might not be able to attend this, because > of low internet bandwidth & high cost...i am afraid to say most part of > these contenent might not be able to watch this > I would love the idea of a virtual FUDcon. I am based in Canada, but due to our only 2 air carriers, the prices for flying anywhere is extremely expensive (3 hour flight, for example, is CDN $1000+). However, we have some selection of ISPs and being able to attend virtually would be the ideal option for us. Not quite the same as being there, but better than nothing. I would definitely partake in that, even if there was a charge involved for access to it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 12:15:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:45:03 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's Fedora 9 debuts with new features Message-ID: <482D7AC7.5040701@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=software&articleId=9085258&taxonomyId=18&intsrc=kc_top "Red Hat is also providing the tools to make USB drives for Fedora 9 using a Windows-based computer. The Windows operating system can be used to load Fedora 9 onto the thumb drive, then the drive can be used to reboot the Windows machine and run Fedora 9." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 12:16:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 makes Linux easy Message-ID: <482D7B0F.2050509@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/3819.html "One of Fedora's strengths is its user-friendliness with a great deal of work having gone into making the desktop easy to use. Fedora also spends a great deal of time working to make the desktop as attractive as possible" Rahul From fordurai at yahoo.com Fri May 16 14:16:10 2008 From: fordurai at yahoo.com (durai k) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:16:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: 2. Fedora Linux 9 Is Here (Rahul Sundaram) In-Reply-To: <20080515160013.18F3A61A1D6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <453264.13034.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dear Sir, I need a fedora 9 CD, and i need details of local executives in Madurai, Tamilnadu, India. kindly send me the mail list of persons who is in Madurai. and I need some assistance so that i can market fedora easier and i need to know about the seminars, and demonstration of fedora which will be conducted in Tamilnadu, India... Any one person please send me fedora 9 CD or assist me to get the CD, My Address : 2/273, Vithagar Veethi, Gomathipuram, Madurai, Tamilnadu, India - 625020. phone : 9894831280. Thanking you, yours K. Durai. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 15:04:17 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:04:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up > for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage > we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this > purpose. So here's another update. I got all the designs that were due today done. Here are the ones to label the conference rooms: - preview: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/fudcon-signs.png - source: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/FUDcon-Signage-Source.sla - printer-ready: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-Hackfest.pdf http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-Lounge.pdf http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-PresentationsAndHackfest.pdf And here's the large quote poster: - preview: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes_preview.png - source: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes.sla http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/f9banner-better.png http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/f9banner-better.svg I'm working on a sign for FUDpub now. (Paul Staffer's suggestion - good idea!) I figure we can print those full color on letter paper (or maybe I can get some thicker stuff that'll go thru the printers here) so we can have a lot of them. Some lessons learned from this project: - Scribus 1.3.4 in Fedora is suboptimal. Bleeds and eps/pdf transparency don't work in this version. mrdoc from #scribus on freenode has a Fedora repo that will let you install Scribus 1.3.5 which is much better: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/Fedora_8/ - Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this but I sure couldn't get it to work) EPS does not support transparency. At all. So I ended up using PDF 1.4 for the printer-ready artwork. Hopefully they'll be okay with that. - Rendering bitmaps that are 56" x 48" from inkscape is DAMN SLOW. Also, it won't work at 300 dpi. I ended up doing 150 dpi. If I had the time, I would have 'tiled' the renders meaning I could have broken the image out into 4 chunks and rendered each individually at 300 dpi and stitched them together later. I didn't have the time though (and seeing how slowly working with the full 150dpi render in gimp on a machine with 2GB RAM, I'm not sure stitching together the 300 dpi tiles would have been very easy!) So I had the 150 dpi image render overnight. I used the inkscape command line to do this too so I knew it was still working. So if you need to do large-scale artwork like this and you want it to be blingy past Scribus' SVG capabilities, make sure you have at least one overnight to get renders done. - Workflow & Colors: I'm not sure if the colors will come out right but we'll see. For the conference room signs, pretty much all the design work is done in Scribus, so I set the Fedora CMYK values in the color palette in the document. When I imported the FUDcon logo SVG artwork, Scribus lets you replace colors so I replaced the RGB colors with the correct CMYK colors. That was easy. The quotes poster's artwork is a lot more complicated and there is NO WAY scribus can import the SVG for that artwork, so I rendered it to bitmap and imported it into scribus, and set the documents target to be 'for printer' rather than 'for web/screen' and also set it to use color management. We'll see how it comes out! ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 15:09:10 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:09:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <482DA396.50506@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > And here's the large quote poster: I forgot to post the printer-ready file for this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes.pdf ~m From paulds at bu.edu Fri May 16 15:37:34 2008 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:37:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:04:17AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I'm working on a sign for FUDpub now. (Paul Staffer's suggestion - good > idea!) I figure we can print those full color on letter paper (or maybe I > can get some thicker stuff that'll go thru the printers here) so we can > have a lot of them. Cool, thanks. Just to clarify, are you talking about US Letter sized fliers / handouts? What I was suggesting was a large poster to greet people at the pub itself, so we'd really only need one of them. cheers, - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 16 15:46:30 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:16:30 +0530 Subject: Desktop now uses Fedora 9 Message-ID: <482DAC56.8000403@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/05/16/desktop-now-uses-fedora-9/ "What I would consider as the highlight of this release is PackageKit, a program that is used by GNOME in order to stand between the user and the various package managers, so users don?t have to worry about what happens behind the scenes. Personally, I believe that approaching free software?s ?chaotic? development model in such a way is good for both the end-users and the active contributors, as it makes their effort more focused and coordinated. PackageKit also includes a command line interface." Rahul From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Fri May 16 16:05:43 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:05:43 -0400 Subject: Virtual FUDcon High and Low Bandwidth Options Message-ID: High Bandwidth Virtual FUDcon Live Video/Archived Video/Animations with IRC-style "Booths" Low Bandwidth Virtual FUDcon Live Audio Streaming/Archived Audio with IRC-style "Booths" This can be applied to any Linux Convention not just to FUDcon... Please discuss this topic, it would be so great for the next FUDcon, to have these Virtual extensions established as well as Virtual Conventions/Meetings for other Linux matters... Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:55:32 +0000 Subject: Virtual FUDcon High and Low Bandwidth Options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210982132.17410.126.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 12:05 -0400, Markus McLaughlin wrote: > High Bandwidth Virtual FUDcon > > Live Video/Archived Video/Animations with IRC-style "Booths" > > Low Bandwidth Virtual FUDcon > > Live Audio Streaming/Archived Audio with IRC-style "Booths" > > This can be applied to any Linux Convention not just to FUDcon... > > Please discuss this topic, it would be so great for the next FUDcon, > to have these Virtual extensions established as well as Virtual > Conventions/Meetings for other Linux matters... These are all great ideas. What do you propose to do to make them become a reality? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 16 23:58:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:58:41 +0000 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1210982321.17410.128.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 11:37 -0400, Paul Stauffer wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:04:17AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I'm working on a sign for FUDpub now. (Paul Staffer's suggestion - good > > idea!) I figure we can print those full color on letter paper (or maybe I > > can get some thicker stuff that'll go thru the printers here) so we can > > have a lot of them. > > Cool, thanks. Just to clarify, are you talking about US Letter sized fliers > / handouts? What I was suggesting was a large poster to greet people at the > pub itself, so we'd really only need one of them. Right, we might be able to reuse some of the old design from 2007. We'll need FUDPub fliers for directions, but that's really not much of an artwork concern I'd guess. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Get in touch with me or Kara offline. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 17 15:41:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:11:31 +0530 Subject: 2. Fedora Linux 9 Is Here (Rahul Sundaram) In-Reply-To: <453264.13034.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <453264.13034.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482EFCAB.4090204@fedoraproject.org> durai k wrote: > Dear Sir, > I need a fedora 9 CD, and i need details of local > executives in Madurai, Tamilnadu, India. kindly send me the mail list of > persons who is in Madurai. Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CategoryAmbassadorsIndia Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sat May 17 16:17:54 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:17:54 -0400 Subject: Magazine article In-Reply-To: <1210982471.17410.133.camel@victoria> References: <1210982471.17410.133.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1211041074.8944.4.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 20:01 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The opportunity's come up to have a contributor write for a Linux > newsstand publication -- an 8-9 page article covering installation and > simple beginning configuration for Fedora 9. The article can contain > some screenshots of the kind normally found in these types of > publications. > > This requires a person to *commit* to have the article ready by around > June 15th. Kara and I will get you hooked up with the magazine > publishers for all the details, which are between you and the > publication's editors. > > This is a great chance for someone to get involved with publicizing > Fedora 9 in a way that is guaranteed to reach thousands of readers. > Interested? Get in touch with me or Kara offline. We have a taker. Thanks for all who wrote me expressing interest -- I am really looking forward to seeing this in print. :-) -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 17 21:11:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 02:41:42 +0530 Subject: Video: Fedora Project leader on Fedora 9 Message-ID: <482F4A0E.7070009@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Watch It: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/15/video-fedora-project-leader-on-fedora-9/ Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Fedora_Project_leader_on_Fedora_9 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 17 21:13:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 02:43:24 +0530 Subject: Open source project: OpenJDK Message-ID: <482F4A74.3090606@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/16/open-source-project-openjdk/ Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Open_source_project_OpenJDK Rahul From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Sun May 18 02:11:55 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:11:55 +0800 Subject: Fedora 9: Get yours and get involved In-Reply-To: <482B1C00.5030401@fedoraproject.org> References: <482B1C00.5030401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <76e72f800805171911i19dd2ac2nb11ff392af85e5d5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/15 Rahul Sundaram : > Hi, > > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/13/fedora-9-get-yours-and-get-involved/ > > "Over the last year, we've seen the number of contributors skyrocket along > with the popularity of our "upstream" mantra. Our users?over 2.2 million > just for Fedora 8?know that we strive to provide the very best in what works > today, with every release. Our developer contributors understand that > working closely with upstream communities leads to better code, features, > maintainability, and adoption throughout the FOSS world." > Cannot easily get a "print" output (cannot find the "print" button) with the web page. :( -- bbbush ^_^ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun May 18 02:24:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 07:54:03 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9: Get yours and get involved In-Reply-To: <76e72f800805171911i19dd2ac2nb11ff392af85e5d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <482B1C00.5030401@fedoraproject.org> <76e72f800805171911i19dd2ac2nb11ff392af85e5d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482F9343.7040403@fedoraproject.org> Yuan Yijun wrote: > 2008/5/15 Rahul Sundaram : >> Hi, >> >> http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/13/fedora-9-get-yours-and-get-involved/ >> >> "Over the last year, we've seen the number of contributors skyrocket along >> with the popularity of our "upstream" mantra. Our users?over 2.2 million >> just for Fedora 8?know that we strive to provide the very best in what works >> today, with every release. Our developer contributors understand that >> working closely with upstream communities leads to better code, features, >> maintainability, and adoption throughout the FOSS world." >> > > Cannot easily get a "print" output (cannot find the "print" button) > with the web page. :( http://www.redhat.com/magazine/feedback/to_the_editor.html Rahul From romal at gmx.de Sun May 18 16:26:27 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:26:27 +0200 Subject: Magazine article In-Reply-To: <1210982471.17410.133.camel@victoria> References: <1210982471.17410.133.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <483058B3.6060603@gmx.de> Hi, if someone needs a german article for a magazine, I may be of help. I was a freelance writer for about 10 years. cu romal Paul W. Frields schrieb: > The opportunity's come up to have a contributor write for a Linux > newsstand publication -- an 8-9 page article covering installation and > simple beginning configuration for Fedora 9. The article can contain > some screenshots of the kind normally found in these types of > publications. > > This requires a person to *commit* to have the article ready by around > June 15th. Kara and I will get you hooked up with the magazine > publishers for all the details, which are between you and the > publication's editors. > > This is a great chance for someone to get involved with publicizing > Fedora 9 in a way that is guaranteed to reach thousands of readers. > Interested? Get in touch with me or Kara offline. > > From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Mon May 19 03:17:45 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:17:45 -0400 Subject: Virtual Linux Convention Suggestions for Requirements Message-ID: I want to make this clear, I am NOT a programmer. I only know how to design a framework in GIMP for HTML/CSS programmers to show what code would need to be filled in. The example on my linux blog at linuxglobe.wordpress.com, shows what I had in mind as far as the high bandwidth. The low bandwidth option would eliminate the video and just use the audio. I do agree with the Fedora programmers that OGG Theora is the best means for the video streaming/encoding. As far as the audio streaming/encoding, I like to see two formats used : Vorbis and AAC (which is itunes friendly.) The Low bandwidth option should be able to support animations for ADs for various Linux products. Something similar to Flash is the best method. The Chat Rooms would be based on either openJDK or IRC technology with the capability of adding small avatar icons representing the folks who enter in the rooms. The Virtual FUDcon would be hosted at FUDcon.fedoraproject.org and/or on a Joomla hosted site that's FREE and Open Sourced. I can provide some creative skills to such a project if other Programmers are willing to "hear" me out. If there were such a thing as a Open Sourced QuickTime VR archived video of the Convention Hall, etc, that would be truly amazing technology to add. I was thinking one way of advertising these Virtual Conventions other than posting a little "AD" on linuxtoday.com or linuxformat.co.uk, etc., would be depending on the major sponsor to place small ADs on boston.com (Boston Globe,) nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, msnbc.com, cnn.com, bbcnews.com, and trektoday.com. More mainstream sites with a high tech or a special section would attract more people to want to learn about a Linux OS and such matters. I can be reached at linuxglobe.wordpress.com. Have a good week! Mark McLaughlin Hudson, MA, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon May 19 06:05:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:05:22 -0700 Subject: new list of names for fedora grid project In-Reply-To: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> References: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1211177122.18933.32.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 13:47 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, thanks to John Adams for generating an updated list of potential > names for the Fedora grid project. John's recommendations, in order, are: > > Tier 1 > 1. Powernap +0 > 2. Nightlife +1 > 3. Awaken -1 > Tier 2 > 1. PowerFarm +1 > 2. Think Tank -1 > 3. Slumber +0 > Tier 3 > 1. Siesta +1 > 2. Underground -1 > 3. Swarm -1 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Message-ID: <48317C93.6050405@fedoraproject.org> Hi. http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Will-Every-Linux-Distro-Soon-Look-the-Same-63048.html?welcome=1211199536 "Fedora 9 was unleashed, of course, bringing joy to the hearts of many. Perhaps more notable than the details of the release itself, however, was its timing. Specifically, it hasn't escaped the notice of astute Linux bloggers that Fedora 9, Ubuntu Hardy Heron and OpenSuSE 11 have all arrived in remarkably quick succession" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 13:13:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:43:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Out Message-ID: <48317D06.4090803@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://java.sys-con.com/read/569254.htm "Fedora 9 is out. Red Hat says its community-driven operating system features the first non-destructive live USB with persistence ? which Red Hat thinks is a first of a kind anywhere ? and marks the first major KDE 4-based distribution" "Fedora 9 Live images can now be added to an existing USB key using either a Linux or Windows application, without removing data, or repartitioning or reformatting the USB key, to get a bootable, portable Fedora system. And using the persistence feature, users can download and store data, and remove and add software as on any normal Fedora system. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 13:42:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:12:09 +0530 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora Message-ID: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Someone should write a response. Feel free to brainstorm here. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519&mode=67#news " Fedora 9 was released last week. As many users have discovered since then, the latest version of Red Hat's community distribution is a rather adventurous mix of bleeding-edge packages and experimental features. The development version of X.Org 1.5 does not work well with any of the proprietary NVIDIA graphics drivers, which were promptly left out from the stable Livna.org repositories. Similarly, Firefox 3.0b5 is a beta build, lacking support for many popular add-ons. And there is KDE 4.0.3, another experimental, buggy and feature-lacking desktop package that is forced onto Fedora's KDE users without an alternative. No wonder that many users are unhappy about some of the choices Fedora developers made prior to the release. But as is always the case with this popular distribution, things are bound to improve in the coming weeks. The first major batch of package updates has already entered the testing directory, so it shouldn't be long before they are pushed on to the end users" Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Mon May 19 13:47:13 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Someone should write a response. Feel free to brainstorm here. "Dear Distrowatch, you're completely correct in your analysis." I mean, aren't they? I'm not sure what kind of response is required. --g > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519&mode=67#news > > " Fedora 9 was released last week. As many users have discovered since then, > the latest version of Red Hat's community distribution is a rather > adventurous mix of bleeding-edge packages and experimental features. The > development version of X.Org 1.5 does not work well with any of the > proprietary NVIDIA graphics drivers, which were promptly left out from the > stable Livna.org repositories. Similarly, Firefox 3.0b5 is a beta build, > lacking support for many popular add-ons. And there is KDE 4.0.3, another > experimental, buggy and feature-lacking desktop package that is forced onto > Fedora's KDE users without an alternative. No wonder that many users are > unhappy about some of the choices Fedora developers made prior to the > release. But as is always the case with this popular distribution, things are > bound to improve in the coming weeks. The first major batch of package > updates has already entered the testing directory, so it shouldn't be long > before they are pushed on to the end users" > > Rahul > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 14:10:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:40:46 +0530 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Someone should write a response. Feel free to brainstorm here. > > "Dear Distrowatch, you're completely correct in your analysis." > > I mean, aren't they? I'm not sure what kind of response is required. ". If you are a Fedora fan, but would prefer your Linux desktop to have fewer experimental software packages, you might want to postpone the upgrade for a month or two, or investigate one of the distributions with a policy of shipping stable and well-tested software only." ... implies we don't test our packages. If you agree with analysis, fine but I do think our choices can be explained further. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Mon May 19 14:14:48 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:14:48 -0500 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1211206488.6076.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 19:40 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Someone should write a response. Feel free to brainstorm here. > > > > "Dear Distrowatch, you're completely correct in your analysis." > > > > I mean, aren't they? I'm not sure what kind of response is required. > > > ". If you are a Fedora fan, but would prefer your Linux desktop to have > fewer experimental software packages, you might want to postpone the > upgrade for a month or two, or investigate one of the distributions with > a policy of shipping stable and well-tested software only." > > ... implies we don't test our packages. If you agree with analysis, fine > but I do think our choices can be explained further. > It doesnt really implies that, it only means that fedora is bleeding edge, which doesnt mean we dont test our packages but that our software isnt necesary as stable (as its really new) as a Red Hat Enterpries Linux or Debian Stable which are known for their well tested over a great period of time software. From gdk at redhat.com Mon May 19 14:17:07 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > ". If you are a Fedora fan, but would prefer your Linux desktop to have > fewer experimental software packages, you might want to postpone the > upgrade for a month or two, or investigate one of the distributions with > a policy of shipping stable and well-tested software only." > > ... implies we don't test our packages. If you agree with analysis, fine > but I do think our choices can be explained further. To be perfectly honest, I *do* agree with the analysis. I think that comprehensive testing, right now, is the biggest weakness we have. Some of the bugs we shipped with are pretty ugly. My current circumstance is a great example. I'm writing this from an F9 USB key I burned using Luke's Windows USB tool on my mother-in-law's Windows computer. Excellent! But I'm using it because when I upgraded to F9 and then tried to use hibernate, it bricked my laptop. Bummer! Some of these bugs could have been found with simple test suites -- but we haven't managed to get that work done. It's a real problem. Look, we're getting *really* favorable coverage for F9. I expect that coverage will continue. I think this is a case of taking criticism graciously, admitting our imperfections, and working to do better next time. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 14:37:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:07:52 +0530 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: <1211206488.6076.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> <1211206488.6076.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <483190C0.8020501@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > > It doesnt really implies that, it only means that fedora is bleeding > edge, which doesnt mean we dont test our packages. We have to disagree on what that means. There are good reason for us providing a pre-release of Xorg for example. Those choices can still be explained better to everyone. If you don't feel the need. I will just do it myself since I am writing a release specific FAQ to answer some of the other questions anyway. Thanks. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 14:40:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:10:56 +0530 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48319178.3060502@fedoraproject.org> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: . I think that > comprehensive testing, right now, is the biggest weakness we have. Some > of the bugs we shipped with are pretty ugly. Absolutely. We make a pretty big effort on testing what we ship however and that should still be recognized. > Some of these bugs could have been found with simple test suites -- but > we haven't managed to get that work done. It's a real problem. Releasing parts of a automated testing framework without any tests to go along with that wasn't a very useful decision. We can't build a testing community with just that. I am still talking to folks to fix that. Rahul From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon May 19 14:53:10 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:53:10 -0400 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: <48319178.3060502@fedoraproject.org> References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> <48319178.3060502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Absolutely. We make a pretty big effort on testing what we ship however and > that should still be recognized. . Recognized? Sure. But we *cannot* simply sit back and rest on our laurels of producing a quality distribution. Our QA right now is ""passable". It must be SUPERIOR. Working on documentation, which is lacking, in order to build a community around QA is one of my personal short-term goals. > Releasing parts of a automated testing framework without any tests to go > along with that wasn't a very useful decision. We can't build a testing > community with just that. I am still talking to folks to fix that. Stay tuned for FUDCon. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 15:14:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:44:12 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 on a USB stick Message-ID: <48319944.5090100@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://andypiper.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/fedora-9-on-a-usb-stick/ "All-in-all I was extremely impressed with the ease-of-installation and use. I?m not sure how often I?ll want to use this, but the fact that I have a fully-usable Linux distro on a bootable stick is just brilliant." Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:36:22 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > ". If you are a Fedora fan, but would prefer your Linux desktop to have > > fewer experimental software packages, you might want to postpone the upgrade > > for a month or two, or investigate one of the distributions with a policy of > > shipping stable and well-tested software only." > > > > ... implies we don't test our packages. If you agree with analysis, fine but > > I do think our choices can be explained further. > > To be perfectly honest, I *do* agree with the analysis. I think that > comprehensive testing, right now, is the biggest weakness we have. Some of > the bugs we shipped with are pretty ugly. > > My current circumstance is a great example. > > I'm writing this from an F9 USB key I burned using Luke's Windows USB tool on > my mother-in-law's Windows computer. Excellent! > > But I'm using it because when I upgraded to F9 and then tried to use > hibernate, it bricked my laptop. Bummer! > > Some of these bugs could have been found with simple test suites -- but we > haven't managed to get that work done. It's a real problem. > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but I don't know what we do to test. -Mike From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon May 19 15:42:49 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:42:49 -0400 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but > I don't know what we do to test. Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to suggest new testcases as well :) From gdk at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:42:33 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but > I don't know what we do to test. Jon Stanley. Paging Jon Stanley. :) I don't think we have one. I don't think we have a coherent *community* QA strategy at all. But this discussion isn't really for f-mktg-l. It might be suitable for the Fedora advisory board, though. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:46:33 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:46:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what > > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but > > I don't know what we do to test. > > Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease > > One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to > suggest new testcases as well :) > /me is just taking this opportunity to express his love... for The Jon Stanley. I'll be paying more close attention for F10 and participating in those matrices. -Mike From gdk at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:46:33 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what >> our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but >> I don't know what we do to test. > > Jon Stanley. Paging Jon Stanley. :) > > I don't think we have one. OK, my apologies: we do have one. Here it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From gdk at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:48:01 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what >> our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but >> I don't know what we do to test. > > Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease > > One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to > suggest new testcases as well :) OK, so I'm shooting my mouth off about stuff I know nothing about. It happens. :) So the coherent question becomes, "how can we make it dead-simple for everyone to run these test cases?" --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon May 19 15:50:44 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:50:44 -0400 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate As with a lot of things on the wiki, this is out of date :( We're going with the matrices that have spots for folks to put their names, etc. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon May 19 15:53:31 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what > > > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but > > > I don't know what we do to test. > > > > Sure thing - > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease > > > > One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to > > suggest new testcases as well :) > > OK, so I'm shooting my mouth off about stuff I know nothing about. It > happens. :) > > So the coherent question becomes, "how can we make it dead-simple for everyone > to run these test cases?" > /me isn't sure if there's some fancy test suite or not so the rest of this email is written under the assumption that there is no fancy test suite. There's a few ways we could make it dead simple for the masses but its a lot of work to get to that point. 1) Submit scripts for people to run 2) Submit kickstarts for people to use 3) Give detailed directions for the people to follow. -Mike From linux at elfshadow.net Mon May 19 16:17:53 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:17:53 -0400 Subject: Bleeding-edge Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <483183B1.4000304@fedoraproject.org> <48318A66.4040607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00805190917h3502e52dq6679f071626a4c62@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Look, we're getting *really* favorable coverage for F9. I expect that > coverage will continue. I think this is a case of taking criticism > graciously, admitting our imperfections, and working to do better next time. I agree whole-heartedly with this statement. The majority of the press surrounding F9 has been positive - which is great for Fedora. We continue to push new things out the door and make the functionality of many areas better while adhering to open standards. But just as we graciously accept the positive comments, we also need to accept the comments regarding imperfections of a release. They at least warrant further analysis and consideration of such comments. These are the areas we might be able to improve - whether it be improvement in the testing process, determining what packages we release with and more. As we look at some the areas where comments were less than favorable, we might determine we are happy with our reasons for releasing what we did or the process behind the decision making. In other cases we might see that yes, we should work on that area a little more and try to focus some attention there. It is how we continue to improve. ~Jeffrey From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 19:22:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:52:29 +0530 Subject: Hands on: The changing face of Fedora Message-ID: <4831D375.5050302@fedoraproject.org> Hi, A pretty detailed look at the changes in Fedora over the last few releases and a in comparison with Ubuntu. Overall a positive article. http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-computer-world/features/2216901/hands-changing-face-fedora Rahul From wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro Mon May 19 20:50:07 2008 From: wolfy at nobugconsulting.ro (Manuel Wolfshant) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:50:07 +0300 Subject: Romanian F9 release party Message-ID: <4831E7FF.9060709@nobugconsulting.ro> Hello A small Fedora release party was organized during this weekend by a couple of friends from the fedoraproject.ro team. Some pictures I took are available at http://wdl.lug.ro/F9 (hopefully more pictures will be added once all participants share their shots). The presentations covered - general introduction to F9, with emphasis on some of the new elements and changes (SELinux enhancements, major changes in Gnome, PolicyKit, swfdec) - presented by Adrian Joian - the narro localization project (http://code.google.com/p/narro/, http://narro.i18n.ro/narro_project_list.php) presented by Alexandru Szasz, a guest who traveled half the country for this special occasion - KDE4 (changes vs KDE3), presented by Nicu Buculei using a KDE spin stored on one of his many USB sticks and using Alex's laptop (aren't virtual machines great ?) - usb stick creation (practical demo, Nicu) Questions (and their answers) were scattered along all presentations and continued at lunch. Thanks go to Gabi and Andrei Nicolau who took care of the conference room and the infrastructure. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 23:37:19 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 05:07:19 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9: Leading edge or bleeding edge? Message-ID: <48320F2F.1020904@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Pretty interesting article. Take a look. http://www.linux.com/feature/135685 Conclusion: "Aside from the problems with PackageKit -- and, to a lesser extent, the inclusion of KDE 4.0.3 -- Fedora 9 manages to balance innovation with a high degree of usability. Over the last few months, Fedora has been increasingly compared favorably with Ubuntu on both accounts, and, to a large extent, it deserves this praise. If anything, it has probably exceeded Ubuntu in innovation, with at least a dozen major new ideas in every release. It is a rare release, too, in which Fedora's menus and dialog do not show minor tinkering to fine-tune the user experience. Yet the problems in Fedora 9 emphasize how difficult a balance the Fedora project tries to maintain. The fact that improvements are coming for both KDE and PackageKit, and that, meanwhile, workarounds exist, is beside the point -- these facts are lucky accidents, and nothing that Fedora has done. Although Fedora's innovations make it one of the more interesting distributions to use and watch these days, the project needs to temper its creativity with more consideration of how changes affect users. Perhaps these relatively minor problems will help the distribution correct its release policies before a major disaster happens in a future release." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 20 11:35:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:35:45 -0400 Subject: new list of names for fedora grid project In-Reply-To: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> References: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1211283345.17352.7.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 13:47 -0400, Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, thanks to John Adams for generating an updated list of potential > names for the Fedora grid project. John's recommendations, in order, are: > > Tier 1 > 1. Powernap +1 > Tier 2 > 1. PowerFarm +1 > Tier 3 > 1. Siesta +1 -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:05:01 +0000 Subject: Robot soccer players! Message-ID: <1211299501.24852.110.camel@victoria> Digg it up: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_News_A_New_Goal_for_Open_Source -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspect the ease of FAS2 combined with the fresh hoopla around the release has attracted people. Let's not disappoint them by leaving their request for a group in limbo. Yet ... Some people seem to be requesting group access without first knowing what a group is or what they need to do, such as send a self-intro. My suggestion is to reject those after giving them sufficient time to do the self-intro etc. We definitely do not want to sponsor people just because they checked a box and clicked Submit. Save your sponsorship for people who really mean to be there. Also, I'm putting in an RFE for the account system to add a "reason" field with the rejection process[1], so we can explain why someone was rejected, such as not following the established process at ProjectName/Join. Meanwhile, it is probably a good practice to send an email to the person telling them they can re-apply after they follow the per-SIG/subproject steps for account access. - Karsten (I am sending this duplicate email to multiple locations that need to resolve this process.) [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fas/ticket/50 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 02:44:14 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:44:14 -0400 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? Message-ID: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, One idea I had for FUDcon was to take as many pictures as possible that the Marketing and Art teams could use later to give our website and marketing materials a more personal touch, with pictures of actual Fedora developers and users. Does anyone know what responsibilities are involved in making sure that the photos are usable for this purpose? Do you know about (or maybe could refer us to) someone who would know about writing up photo release forms? ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 04:52:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:22:46 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Message-ID: <4833AA9E.3060905@fedoraproject.org> Hi. http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/fedora9.htm "Using the default Gnome desktop, Fedora 9 generally felt solid and polished. Previous versions of Fedora have generally been hit or miss in this respect, so it's good to find a Fedora release that actually feels like a stable one" Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 21 07:35:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:35:37 +0300 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4833D0C9.8010308@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > One idea I had for FUDcon was to take as many pictures as possible that > the Marketing and Art teams could use later to give our website and > marketing materials a more personal touch, with pictures of actual > Fedora developers and users. > > Does anyone know what responsibilities are involved in making sure that > the photos are usable for this purpose? Do you know about (or maybe > could refer us to) someone who would know about writing up photo release > forms? Take out the nudity part and replace the deviantART name from that and I think you get a start: http://s.deviantart.com/misc/model/release_form.html :D -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 14:06:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:36:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Delivers Advanced Features to Community Message-ID: <48342C59.10003@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.channeltimes.com/India/News/Fedora_9_Delivers_Advanced_Features_to_Community/551-89526-1098.html "Paul Frields, Fedora project leader at Red Hat said, "Fedora has come a long way over the past few years with a broadening user base, influx of innovative ideas and a thriving community". Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 14:59:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:29:31 +0530 Subject: Fedora working with Seneca College Message-ID: <483438D3.4030004@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://lwn.net/Articles/283274/rss Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_working_with_Seneca_College Red Hat has announced a partnership with Seneca College wherein students will work with the Fedora project. "A new grant funds a liaison position within the School of Computer Studies to work with Fedora Project members to identify opportunities for student involvement and to guide students as they integrate into the community. This proven model was developed at Seneca and will be incorporated into several programs beginning with the Linux/Unix System Administration (LUX) program, an intense one-year graduate certificate. Fedora projects will be integrated into academic coursework, used as major projects, or funded through government grants." Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Wed May 21 15:15:32 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:15:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Does anyone know what responsibilities are involved in making sure that > the photos are usable for this purpose? Do you know about (or maybe > could refer us to) someone who would know about writing up photo release > forms? > My local Access station has some release forms that are pretty neutral; we'd just have to change some names. http://mediaserver.salnet.org/forms_and_docs/Appearance_Release.pdf -- ian From rtlm10 at gmail.com Wed May 21 17:45:06 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:45:06 -0400 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> I started a FUDCon flickr group after FUDCon 9 in January. Anything that is licensed CC-by or CC-by-sa should be acceptable for use in Fedora correct? Of course having a forum specifically granting the project the rights to use some content is safer but shouldn't the proper CC licenses be enough? 2008/5/21 Ian Weller : > On Tue, 20 May 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Does anyone know what responsibilities are involved in making sure that >> the photos are usable for this purpose? Do you know about (or maybe could >> refer us to) someone who would know about writing up photo release forms? >> > My local Access station has some release forms that are pretty neutral; > we'd just have to change some names. > > http://mediaserver.salnet.org/forms_and_docs/Appearance_Release.pdf > > -- ian > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 17:52:39 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:52:39 -0400 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> Russell Harrison wrote: > I started a FUDCon flickr group after FUDCon 9 in January. Anything > that is licensed CC-by or CC-by-sa should be acceptable for use in > Fedora correct? Of course having a forum specifically granting the > project the rights to use some content is safer but shouldn't the > proper CC licenses be enough? I think you need the consent of the folks in the photo as well. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:39:46 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:39:46 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro Message-ID: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of the box in Fedora 9? I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in Fedora's people space. Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy. I think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements. And we'll have to figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I should say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with regard to editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be in the hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators. Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera interviews and so on and so on. So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a full discussion. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:43:08 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:43:08 -0800 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910805211343p14874f28q73252a098589b2d5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I think you need the consent of the folks in the photo as well. If that is the case, then we need to make photo release consent part of the registration process. Do RH Summit attendees have an implied or explicit consent in place? -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 20:49:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:49:53 +0100 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805211349x7ec13e1bj2efe8de44933e6c4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta : > Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for > Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of > the box in Fedora 9? > > I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of > thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise > everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for > me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal > with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a > workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. > > So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. > > Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of > theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to > be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast > Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak > torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in > Fedora's people space. I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until tomorrow evening. If anyone else wants to have a go, or take a crack at this, then feel free to go for it! > Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera > interviews and so on and so on. This is quite an exciting idea :) > > So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to > get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a > full discussion. No problem, we're all busy! Best, Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed May 21 21:16:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:16:59 +0100 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805211349x7ec13e1bj2efe8de44933e6c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805211349x7ec13e1bj2efe8de44933e6c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805211416x2f0eaab1xb3338b5273fe5b20@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/21 Jonathan Roberts : > 2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta : >> Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for >> Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of >> the box in Fedora 9? >> >> I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of >> thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise >> everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for >> me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal >> with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a >> workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. >> >> So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. >> >> Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of >> theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to >> be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast >> Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak >> torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in >> Fedora's people space. > > I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos > in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until > tomorrow evening. OK, it was easier than I thought :) Below is an rss feed that miro will understand. I made the mistake of following through on the miro process to see what happened, but changed the details so that it's not linked to the fedora project (other than via my ugly mug!) There are some extra items we could add to this, such as categories and tags, but you can do that as you post it to miro. Also, we could add an image such as the fedora logo or something special the art-team might like to do for this... Best, Jon -------------------------- Fedora Project http://fedoraproject.org Find out all about the Fedora Project, from screencast tutorials to video interviews with members of our community. en-us Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification jonrob at fedoraproject.org webmaster at fedoraproject.org GVFS http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg Have you heard about Gnome's new GVFS system? It lets you copy multiple files at once, queues transfers and keeps track of everything you're doing in one neat window. Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg --------------------- From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 22 02:52:18 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:22:18 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... Message-ID: Hi all, * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as and when your time permits. All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 22 05:15:15 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for > Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of > the box in Fedora 9? > > I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of > thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise > everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for > me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal > with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a > workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. > > So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. > > Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of theora > videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to be a huge > hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast Machine > implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak torrent. We > should be able to demo a feed using video houses in Fedora's people > space. > > Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional > screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy. I > think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with > infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements. And we'll have to > figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I should > say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with regard to > editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be in the > hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators. > > Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera > interviews and so on and so on. > > So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to get > a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a full > discussion. If you can point me to: (a) A cheatsheet on how to set this up; (b) A couple of smallish videos; I can give it a shot. I'll put my personal web space on the line to get us started. --g From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 22 06:29:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:29:32 +0300 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805211343p14874f28q73252a098589b2d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910805211343p14874f28q73252a098589b2d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483512CC.7080403@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I think you need the consent of the folks in the photo as well. > > > If that is the case, then we need to make photo release consent part > of the registration process. Do RH Summit attendees have an implied > or explicit consent in place? A *verbal* consent may be enough? Like a Fedora release party, the photographer ask "are you OK if I use the photo on the Fedora website?" After all, those are photos of adults and taken in public places. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From balajig81 at gmail.com Thu May 22 09:17:40 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:47:40 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6dd1343e0805220217w32fc20ffm71c58efcb59981ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi I ve updated the wiki with my name in the list for chennai. I would also like to know how would the users get to know what versions of fedora do ambassadors have currently. This information would be really helpful . I am not able to find this information on that page so it would be really good if we could also update the version of the fedora Images that we have so that we could write it on to the DVD. Cheers, Balaji On 5/22/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi all, > > * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. > > * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > and when your time permits. > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts > > Thanks. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu May 22 09:35:19 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:35:19 +0100 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> > If you can point me to: > > (a) A cheatsheet on how to set this up; This page: http://www.getmiro.com/create/ Has links to all the miro related stuff, and this page: http://www.getmiro.com/help/feeds.php Has links to cheat sheets for the various RSS formats that they'll work with. > (b) A couple of smallish videos; For a couple of smallish videos, try http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/ > > I can give it a shot. I'll put my personal web space on the line to get us > started. > > --g > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From ianweller at gmail.com Thu May 22 13:53:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: <483512CC.7080403@nicubunu.ro> References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910805211343p14874f28q73252a098589b2d5@mail.gmail.com> <483512CC.7080403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > After all, those are photos of adults and taken in public places. > Not all of the FUDCon attendees are over 18. ;) -- ian From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 22 14:03:54 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:03:54 +0000 Subject: open account requests In-Reply-To: <1211321848.18933.322.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1211321848.18933.322.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1211465034.4891.66.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 15:17 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > We're seeing more people joining Fedora and requesting to join various > subprojects and SIGs. I suspect the ease of FAS2 combined with the > fresh hoopla around the release has attracted people. Let's not > disappoint them by leaving their request for a group in limbo. Yet ... > > Some people seem to be requesting group access without first knowing > what a group is or what they need to do, such as send a self-intro. My > suggestion is to reject those after giving them sufficient time to do > the self-intro etc. > > We definitely do not want to sponsor people just because they checked a > box and clicked Submit. Save your sponsorship for people who really > mean to be there. > > Also, I'm putting in an RFE for the account system to add a "reason" > field with the rejection process[1], so we can explain why someone was > rejected, such as not following the established process at > ProjectName/Join. Meanwhile, it is probably a good practice to send an > email to the person telling them they can re-apply after they follow the > per-SIG/subproject steps for account access. Yeah, as a "sponsor" in several groups, I get a lot of email for people requesting access that I don't rightly know I can approve. I admit I've been leaving them for a more informed person to deal with. Our various project Join pages don't make it clear that in many cases people don't need membership in these groups. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 22 14:11:02 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:11:02 +0300 Subject: FUDcon photos & release forms? In-Reply-To: References: <48338C7E.1000800@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130805211045qd03d254nf9e028137faa9c33@mail.gmail.com> <48346167.5010706@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910805211343p14874f28q73252a098589b2d5@mail.gmail.com> <483512CC.7080403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48357EF6.9090605@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> After all, those are photos of adults and taken in public places. >> > Not all of the FUDCon attendees are over 18. ;) -- ian Sure, but those can't sign release forms either... (nor the CLA if that matters) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kschiltz at redhat.com Thu May 22 15:20:41 2008 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:20:41 -0400 Subject: Fedora + soccer = Ronaldo-esque technique Message-ID: <48358F49.8090005@redhat.com> CNET The Open Road 5.22.08 http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9950150-16.html Best, Kara From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 22 16:14:15 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Meeting today Message-ID: Hi folks. We've got a meeting today for 3pm, but honestly, (a) I've got other things that are more pressing, and (b) now that the release is out the door, I'm thinking maybe meeting every other week is a good idea for a while. So I won't be leading today's meeting, is what I'm saying. :) If folks want to get together and have an informal meeting, or even a formal meeting that drives the agenda, that's fine -- I'll follow along. The agenda page, lest we forget: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks --g From danishka at gmail.com Thu May 22 17:34:26 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 23:04:26 +0530 Subject: Where is Sinhala support? Message-ID: Hi All, I was wondering, how come Sinhala Support removed from the Fedora 9 LiveCD. [1] There is no Sinhala interface for the Fedora 9 installation (tested on X86_64), installed Sinhala support dring the post installation. But Fedora 8 was really good for the Sinhala support. Not only that till Fedora 8, it was the only distro, which gave default support for the Sinhala and it was appreciated by government people as well. 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And thanks to our consistent policy of working with upstream, and problems we find or fix can be reported back upstream as well for the entire FOSS community. Now THAT'S teamwork! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 22 18:25:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:25:46 +0000 Subject: Meeting today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1211480746.4891.102.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 12:14 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > Hi folks. We've got a meeting today for 3pm, but honestly, (a) I've got > other things that are more pressing, and (b) now that the release is out > the door, I'm thinking maybe meeting every other week is a good idea for a > while. > > So I won't be leading today's meeting, is what I'm saying. :) If folks > want to get together and have an informal meeting, or even a formal > meeting that drives the agenda, that's fine -- I'll follow along. > > The agenda page, lest we forget: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks There may be some tasks there for which people could manually update status -- I'm also a little pressed for time since I'll be at LinuxTag next week and not as productive as usual from the "churn out work" perspective. However, I hope to make up for it by catching up from the "fire up the community" perspective!? :-) So I'm probably not going to be around for it either. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 22 20:05:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:35:35 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 tools demystify installation and upgrades Message-ID: <4835D20F.2000809@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/135697 "The Fedora project has always offered installation options. The best known of these options are the Fedora spins -- roll-your-own install images that emphasize a particular desktop or purpose, such as providing the distribution's complete repository on DVD. With Fedora 9, the project has expanded its traditional emphasis with two new tools: LiveUSB Creator, a Windows application for producing live Fedora flash drives, and PreUpgrade, a wizard to help existing users move from one release to another. Each in its own way helps to clarify part of the process of installing the Fedora operating system." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 22 20:24:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:54:09 +0530 Subject: Seneca College Includes Fedora In Curriculum Message-ID: <4835D669.9050105@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/26626/news.htm "Fedora and open source breeds a culture of contribution rather than just consumption," stated Paul Frields, Fedora project leader, Red Hat. "In the same vein, we hope this partnership will not only benefit the students at Seneca College, but will also provide a programme and curriculum that is transferable to other academic institutions to develop future leaders as the demand for open source continues to increase worldwide." "Chris Tyler from Seneca College's School of Computer Studies is a long-time Fedora contributor and will serve as lead professor on this initiative." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 22 20:25:33 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:55:33 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Review Message-ID: <4835D6BD.10308@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2008/05/22/fedora-9-review/ "I?m not a big fan of shipping development versions of software, but in the open source world - everything is development software. Overall I am not super thrilled with Fedora 9 on the desktop but the drastic improvements on the laptop front are well worth it." Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:29:05 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:05 -0800 Subject: Fedora + soccer = Ronaldo-esque technique In-Reply-To: <1211480625.4891.98.camel@victoria> References: <48358F49.8090005@redhat.com> <1211480625.4891.98.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221329w58ad7c3fye1a2e98d5a3ee149@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/22 Paul W. Frields : > Awesome, the Fedora soccer-playing robots are picking up lots of steam! > Matt Asay is a guy who clearly *gets it* -- notice he points out how any > "customization" work done by the team, in the form of additional > software packages they found upstream, they contributed back into > Fedora. And thanks to our consistent policy of working with upstream, > and problems we find or fix can be reported back upstream as well for > the entire FOSS community. Now THAT'S teamwork! Robotics is generally going to be a HUGE PR win for us. Its simply super sexy....its science-fiction meets reality. With that in mind, I've tasked myself with trying to get the Lego Mindstorm NXT related open source stuff into our distro so we can be an open development platform for educators working with the Mindstorm platform. FYI, US First is moving to Mindstorms based platform for its Tech Challenge competition. If we can get a Mindstorms developmetn environment out the door that works with the new 'kit' we have an excellent talking about with middle and high school educators who are doing robotics in a classroom setting..educators who will be out in front in terms of grokking technology...people who could learn to appreciate our message and then go on to preach it in their workplace. Here's the problem... like usually..I could easily have misjudged my ability to get this done on my own. Please, as you talk to people about this article... and they express any interest in robotics at all.. please bring up the Robotics SIG... and do mention the fact that its not just the very specialized robotics we are aiming for. We do have the ability to get support for the Lego Mindstorm system. I'm trying to get the open nxt tools into the distro. If the people you talk to area Mindstorm NXT owners/fanatics and have done any of the advanced Mindstorms programming in NXC or even the proprietary robotc, they are potential contributors who are going to do a hell of a lot better job than me in the long run at maintaining this stuff. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:30:54 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:30:54 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress.... I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora. We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on. If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards. -jef From cyberspy at fedora.redhat.com Thu May 22 22:30:07 2008 From: cyberspy at fedora.redhat.com (CyberSpy) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:30:07 -0400 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i the background. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 22 22:48:19 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:48:19 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/22 CyberSpy : > I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only > myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i > the background. I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of the pictured individuals share. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 22 23:04:11 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:04:11 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 delivers cutting-edge features In-Reply-To: <483319BD.2050307@fedoraproject.org> References: <483319BD.2050307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221604m2baa3914xa1211b991cf36030@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.ciol.com/Open-Source/News-Reports/Fedora-9-delivers-cutting-edge-features/20508106231/0/ > > "The work completed by these Fedora developers has already been adopted in > other free and open source software communities, demonstrating the > effectiveness of Fedora's policy for working cooperatively with upstream > projects." > > Rahul I've put in a comment in the traceback concerning the KDE4 inclusion. I think its important to stress when this comes up that Qt3 has been unmaintained by Trolltech since July 2007. And if anyone else finds themselves in a position to defend the KDE4 inclusion, feel free to bring this fact up. I don't think we should let the laypress get away with shallow statements of disappointment when it comes to KDE4 inclusion instead of KDE3. We must politely challenge them to consider the hidden risks in continuing supporting a KDE3 desktop when the underpinning technology... Qt3 ...is no longer maintained by Trolltech. -jef From ianweller at gmail.com Thu May 22 23:57:52 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could > mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the > same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the > Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every > single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of > the pictured individuals share. > We could do this after F10 and have a F10 Live CD. Or maybe that's too simple. -- ian From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 02:42:37 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:42:37 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221942i7fcf4859u3617848291a25d0d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > We could do this after F10 and have a F10 Live CD. Or maybe that's too > simple. -- ian If you only wanted to do this for a single release...but i think this is a concept we want to repeat with every release making the object release specific isn't necessarily a good idea. I don't want to convey the idea that people are behind a specific release. I want to convey the idea that people are commit to Fedora the community project, not Fedora the release of bit. There is also an advantage of making the pictures 'timeless' so that we can mix and match a subset of pictures from different Fedora tables/booths and use them in different contexts beyond a small coffee book printing. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 03:18:59 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:18:59 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 delivers cutting-edge features In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221604m2baa3914xa1211b991cf36030@mail.gmail.com> References: <483319BD.2050307@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910805221604m2baa3914xa1211b991cf36030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805222018k2f850230m976d618b10205812@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I've put in a comment in the traceback concerning the KDE4 inclusion. Oops I replied to the wrong post from Rahul. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri May 23 06:24:57 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:24:57 +0300 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <108fe3f0805221530v4b503ba0qfef1d2e428f96664@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221548tbda249dx6de09a6c34276dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48366339.2080108@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/5/22 CyberSpy : >> I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only >> myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i >> the background. > > I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could > mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the > same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the > Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every > single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of > the pictured individuals share. How about a blue USB pen drive? Bonus point if the stick has a small Fedora logo printed on it. Like this: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/bluepen.jpg (of course, a better photo, a more Fedora-ish blue and a little logo sticker added) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 14:36:24 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:36:24 -0600 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts (over our hearts) attached with a single pin Alejandro Acosta On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer > found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and > decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people > holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer > then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of > these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I > repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day > rolled around. But I digress.... > > I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like > that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain > trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project > stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials > concerning that person and Fedora. > > We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on. > > If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give > the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand > publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 15:33:01 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:03:01 +0530 Subject: What can Debian learn from Fedora about recruiting new people? Message-ID: <4836E3AD.50608@fedoraproject.org> Hi, From a Debian guy. Looks like our work on the website is making a real impact for everyone http://liorkaplan.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/what-can-debian-learn-from-fedora-about-recruiting-new-people/ "I also think there?s a semantic difference with the term help and join. To me joining a project sounds more strong than helping it. Probably because joining something makes you a part of it, while helping does not. Although in the end both term have the exact same meaning in for the project themselves - users getting involved." Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 15:47:23 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:47:23 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta wrote: > How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity > symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts > (over our hearts) attached with a single pin > If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern however with this particular object is that it might be too small to consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks. But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of the Fedora project. -jef From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 15:56:15 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:56:15 -0600 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ad0ab20805230856m32d73e75q13f98a0991277ff4@mail.gmail.com> Well, there are two options I can think of : we could complement the blue ribbon with a thinner White ribbon inside of it so it resembles (but is not the same as) the Fedora logo, or we can use indistinctly a White ribbon when wearing blue clothes what do you guys think of this ? On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta > wrote: >> How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity >> symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts >> (over our hearts) attached with a single pin >> > > If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern > however with this particular object is that it might be too small to > consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting > over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be > wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at > an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks. > > But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using > "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora > branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid > taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people > decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in > the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of > the Fedora project. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Fri May 23 16:10:45 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:40:45 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would definitely like to help. But the problem is I myself donot yet have a copy of Fedora 9. Can you help me in this regard. I have limited internet connection. Dipanjan Chakraborty, Belur, Howrah, WB On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. > > * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > and when your time permits. > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts > > Thanks. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have limited internet > connection. > > Dipanjan Chakraborty, > Belur, Howrah, WB Shoot me your full address. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 16:32:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:02:54 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 tools demystify installation and upgrades In-Reply-To: <4835D20F.2000809@fedoraproject.org> References: <4835D20F.2000809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4836F1B6.1090003@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.linux.com/feature/135697 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Create_Fedora_9_Live_USB_installations_from_windows Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 23 17:31:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:31:03 -0400 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 07:47 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta > wrote: > > How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity > > symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts > > (over our hearts) attached with a single pin > > > > If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern > however with this particular object is that it might be too small to > consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting > over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be > wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at > an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks. > > But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using > "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora > branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid > taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people > decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in > the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of > the Fedora project. My personal opinion is that ribbons are tired, and wearing Fedora schwag or stickers would kind of defeat the point. Whatever the object is needs to attract the eye, so if it's something, say, blue, it would almost be better if there's no other blue around to detract from the image. (Although I'm sure any artist would potentially come up with a brilliant exception.) What if we had a ceramic or something made of one of the blue speech balloons Mo Duffy designed? The *point* of it would be to be *empty*. Because Fedora is waiting for you to write your own story -- to personalize the community or the distro in some way, to leave or make your mark as desired. This lends itself to something where the recipients of the picture -- *not* the originators -- can even write their own words into the balloon by scribbling on the picture, or editing the graphic. Isn't that remixing also part of the point? And the freedom that you have to do what you will with what we give you? Ponder on this a bit, and let me know what you think. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 23 17:33:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:33:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora + soccer = Ronaldo-esque technique In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221329w58ad7c3fye1a2e98d5a3ee149@mail.gmail.com> References: <48358F49.8090005@redhat.com> <1211480625.4891.98.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805221329w58ad7c3fye1a2e98d5a3ee149@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211564030.5707.17.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 12:29 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/5/22 Paul W. Frields : > > Awesome, the Fedora soccer-playing robots are picking up lots of steam! > > Matt Asay is a guy who clearly *gets it* -- notice he points out how any > > "customization" work done by the team, in the form of additional > > software packages they found upstream, they contributed back into > > Fedora. And thanks to our consistent policy of working with upstream, > > and problems we find or fix can be reported back upstream as well for > > the entire FOSS community. Now THAT'S teamwork! > > > Robotics is generally going to be a HUGE PR win for us. Its simply > super sexy....its science-fiction meets reality. > > With that in mind, I've tasked myself with trying to get the Lego > Mindstorm NXT related open source stuff into our distro so we can be > an open development platform for educators working with the Mindstorm > platform. FYI, US First is moving to Mindstorms based platform for its > Tech Challenge competition. If we can get a Mindstorms developmetn > environment out the door that works with the new 'kit' we have an > excellent talking about with middle and high school educators who are > doing robotics in a classroom setting..educators who will be out in > front in terms of grokking technology...people who could learn to > appreciate our message and then go on to preach it in their workplace. > > Here's the problem... like usually..I could easily have misjudged my > ability to get this done on my own. Please, as you talk to people > about this article... and they express any interest in robotics at > all.. please bring up the Robotics SIG... and do mention the fact that > its not just the very specialized robotics we are aiming for. We do > have the ability to get support for the Lego Mindstorm system. I'm > trying to get the open nxt tools into the distro. 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Whatever the object is > needs to attract the eye, so if it's something, say, blue, it would > almost be better if there's no other blue around to detract from the > image. (Although I'm sure any artist would potentially come up with a > brilliant exception.) > Grayscale photo with blue ribbon. -- ian From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Fri May 23 17:44:49 2008 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:14:49 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <539333cb0805231044wd7f31f0lf757f84918335649@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/23 Dipanjan Chakraborty : > I would definitely like to help. But the problem is I myself donot yet have > a copy of Fedora 9. Can you help me in this regard. I have limited internet > connection. > > Dipanjan Chakraborty, > Belur, Howrah, WB Contact the lug nearby you which is Kolkata afaik. get a media from there . > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. >> >> * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. >> >> * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your >> busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] >> >> * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as >> and when your time permits. >> All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. >> >> >> [1] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Susmit. >> >> ============================================= >> ssh >> 0x86DD170A >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi >> ============================================= >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 17:58:09 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:58:09 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/23 Paul W. Frields : > What if we had a ceramic or something made of one of the blue speech > balloons Mo Duffy designed? The *point* of it would be to be *empty*. > Because Fedora is waiting for you to write your own story -- to > personalize the community or the distro in some way, to leave or make > your mark as desired. Could we fabricate these things for small cost so that ambassadors and other individuals could easily obtain them? We are too global to have a single physical object being shipped around for this to scale. I'd say speech balloon on a coffee mug, but coffee mugs are somewhat mundane. If we made it a game, the rules would be write one word in the speech bubble in your native language that you think best matches the ideals of the Fedora project. -jef"my word would be cylon"spaleta From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 18:36:59 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:59 -0800 Subject: Fedora + soccer = Ronaldo-esque technique In-Reply-To: <1211564030.5707.17.camel@victoria> References: <48358F49.8090005@redhat.com> <1211480625.4891.98.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805221329w58ad7c3fye1a2e98d5a3ee149@mail.gmail.com> <1211564030.5707.17.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910805231136q640e299dmd78cb2764abb2ed4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/23 Paul W. Frields : > Blog about this ASAP! It's been blogged'd -jef From rtlm10 at gmail.com Fri May 23 20:46:17 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:46:17 -0400 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130805231346nbf1c91bi93bfd5ff00233f27@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Could we fabricate these things for small cost so that ambassadors and > other individuals could easily obtain them? We are too global to have > a single physical object being shipped around for this to scale. I'd > say speech balloon on a coffee mug, but coffee mugs are somewhat > mundane. What about the components of the logo in any form not just one single object. The ribbon idea is an excellent example of how someone could represent the infinity symbol. Say several fedora members are going to get a bite to eat after a conference. They happen to walk by a sculpture in which the artist has incorporated an infinity symbol prominently. Instant opportunity to get their pictures in the book! > If we made it a game, the rules would be write one word in the speech > bubble in your native language that you think best matches the ideals > of the Fedora project. I'd like to make it something that gets people always looking for (and thinking of) the core ideals. Think of people at a monument somewhere pointing to (or gimping a bubble around) some of the words of a famous speech about freedom. Is that a double ideal score? If we were to go with a single item I do agree it needs to be cheep and easy to produce. Otherwise there won't be enough pictures to pull from and it will take forever to accumulate them. I kind of feel we should be revisiting the mascot discussion if we want an identifiable single object. I'm not sure I have the energy for that discussion. Russell From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 21:11:08 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:11:08 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130805231346nbf1c91bi93bfd5ff00233f27@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130805231346nbf1c91bi93bfd5ff00233f27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805231411n1aa41dacgda7e62197d4f0b0b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Russell Harrison wrote: > I'd like to make it something that gets people always looking for (and > thinking of) the core ideals. Think of people at a monument somewhere > pointing to (or gimping a bubble around) some of the words of a famous > speech about freedom. Is that a double ideal score? I really don't want to encourage photo editting. I actually prefer raw candids. And I really want a common physical object...because a common physical object is going to impose some general consistency on how things are framed and takes much effort out of the eventual editting down of the material into something like a book. If you encourage too much abstraction when you set up the parameters as to what you ask for, then you going to make it much more likely to end up with images you simply have to throw out for some reason. You also need to realize that it might not actually be legal to take pictures of things like sculptures in some circumstances and use them in commercial ways without the owner or artist's permission. Knowing what is allowed can be complicated, and I'd really not encourage that sort of thing, and end up having to track down whether or not that object in the image is something we can reproduce a likeness of commercially. Totally not worth the pain. If we do it.. the parameters need to be quite strict as to what we can accept. It needs to be reasonably framed (portrait framing we can give guidance on that... none of that 200 ft away next to a panoramic image stuff which focuses on the vista and not the people) individuals or small groups...who expressly give consent to have their images used under a CC license we prefer. It need to have a common physical object that we are sure can be photographed because we picked it. And as little else as possible that is distinguishable in the background that holds a risk of having its image protected for commercial use. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 24 17:49:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:19:58 +0530 Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview,- With project leader, Paul W. Frields Message-ID: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Exclusive-Fedora-Interview-86401.shtml "Softpedia: How does Fedora intend to overtake Ubuntu? Paul W. Frields: Interestingly, this question assumes that Fedora's goals, and the way we achieve them, are exactly the same as Ubuntu's. Like Ubuntu, we have millions of users. We're able to report that, based on the entirely open source technologies we use for our project. The key to Fedora's strategy is realizing that doubling our number of users doesn't help advance free and open source software as much as doubling the number of active contributors. The work those contributors do creates a far better experience with Linux, and that work reaches audiences through many channels besides just the Fedora Project. Some technology examples include NetworkManager, PackageKit, IcedTea and OpenJDK 6, and ext4. You can see these technologies in distributions other than Fedora, which shows the impact this "culture of contribution" idea is having across FOSS." Rahul From scott at tekkie.org Sat May 24 18:26:22 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:56:22 -0230 Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields In-Reply-To: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> References: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> Reading this question makes me wonder about what a lot of people are thinking. When I think about Fedora and Open Source in general, I think about the whole idea of sharing ideas. At work, my goal is not to be better than anyone. It is to share my knowledge. Our team becomes better when we work together and not against each other. I work with many others who's single goal is to be better than others, sometimes deliberately sabotaging others in the process. I hope I am never like that. I pass my knowledge along to my kids, helping to create a base for them to grow from. Hopefully to make them a better person, or to at least learn from my mistakes. I joined Fedora to pass along that good will. I promote Linux and open source as an alternative for people to build on, not to be used as an argument against any other distro or OS. I see a lot of what is in Fedora now being deployed in other distros including Ubuntu. That is where growth comes from. I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". Wow. I hate those three words. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Exclusive-Fedora-Interview-86401.shtml > > "Softpedia: How does Fedora intend to overtake Ubuntu? > > Paul W. Frields: Interestingly, this question assumes that Fedora's goals, > and the way we achieve them, are exactly the same as Ubuntu's. Like Ubuntu, > we have millions of users. We're able to report that, based on the entirely > open source technologies we use for our project. The key to Fedora's > strategy is realizing that doubling our number of users doesn't help advance > free and open source software as much as doubling the number of active > contributors. The work those contributors do creates a far better experience > with Linux, and that work reaches audiences through many channels besides > just the Fedora Project. Some technology examples include NetworkManager, > PackageKit, IcedTea and OpenJDK 6, and ext4. You can see these technologies > in distributions other than Fedora, which shows the impact this "culture of > contribution" idea is having across FOSS." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat May 24 19:53:58 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:53:58 -0800 Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields In-Reply-To: <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> References: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805241253h1d1dc115ye6fdcfc626ac9538@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/24 Scott Thistle : > I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that distros > are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement I ever > hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". Wow. I > hate those three words. It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget or even a car. We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields, which The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant to work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the open source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying down cash on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software marketplace, and if Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing only.. I'd want it to be to educate the laypress about coopetition and the power of contribution. It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change in the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around are remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the quality of their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking about creating a methodology so I can rank particular laypress 'journalists' are doing in terms of understanding concepts like coopetition and sustainability. -jef From gdk at redhat.com Sat May 24 20:26:10 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805241253h1d1dc115ye6fdcfc626ac9538@mail.gmail.com> References: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805241253h1d1dc115ye6fdcfc626ac9538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/5/24 Scott Thistle : > >> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that >> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating >> statement I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase >> shareholder value". Wow. I hate those three words. > > It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about > competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the > experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and > marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things > you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews > is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget > or even a car. > > We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of > 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers > helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There > are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking > points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields, > which > > The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant to > work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the open > source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying down > cash on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software > marketplace, and if Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing > only.. I'd want it to be to educate the laypress about coopetition and > the power of contribution. > > It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change > in the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around are > remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the quality > of their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking about > creating a methodology so I can rank particular laypress 'journalists' > are doing in terms of understanding concepts like coopetition and > sustainability. It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society. Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper: http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with Radical Collaboration and Radical Transparency. --g From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Sat May 24 20:48:02 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:18:02 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You had asked for my full address: 236, G.T. Road Flat no. 401 Paramahansha Appartment Ph. 2 Belur Bazar P.O. Belur Math Dist. Howrah Pin. 711202 Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:45 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/5/23 Dipanjan Chakraborty : > > I would definitely like to help. But the problem is I myself donot yet > have > > a copy of Fedora 9. Can you help me in this regard. I have limited > internet > > connection. > > > > Dipanjan Chakraborty, > > Belur, Howrah, WB > > Shoot me your full address. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat May 24 22:32:40 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 04:02:40 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: > You had asked for my full address: > > 236, G.T. Road > Flat no. 401 > Paramahansha Appartment Ph. 2 > Belur Bazar > P.O. Belur Math > Dist. Howrah > Pin. 711202 I will be out of station for a few days. Debarshi, can you send him one? -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Sun May 25 00:20:13 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:20:13 -0700 Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields In-Reply-To: References: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805241253h1d1dc115ye6fdcfc626ac9538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: interesting.. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > 2008/5/24 Scott Thistle : >> >> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that >>> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement >>> I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". >>> Wow. I hate those three words. >>> >> >> It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about >> competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the >> experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and >> marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things >> you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews >> is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget >> or even a car. >> >> We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of >> 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers >> helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There >> are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking >> points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields, >> which >> >> The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant to >> work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the open >> source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying down cash >> on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software marketplace, and if >> Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing only.. I'd want it to be to >> educate the laypress about coopetition and the power of contribution. >> >> It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change in >> the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around are >> remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the quality of >> their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking about creating a >> methodology so I can rank particular laypress 'journalists' are doing in >> terms of understanding concepts like coopetition and sustainability. >> > > It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society. > > Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper: > http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf > > Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project > share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with Radical > Collaboration and Radical Transparency. > > --g > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at tekkie.org Sun May 25 01:37:41 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:07:41 -0230 Subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields In-Reply-To: References: <48385546.8000204@fedoraproject.org> <3d0809e40805241126k57200044i89db4bfd850cba55@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805241253h1d1dc115ye6fdcfc626ac9538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d0809e40805241837t3fbb027avf346fa8a3269a0b6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/24 Grady Laksmono : > interesting.. > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg > wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >> 2008/5/24 Scott Thistle : >>> >>> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that >>>> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement >>>> I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". >>>> Wow. I hate those three words. >>>> >>> >>> We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of >>> 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers >>> helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There >>> are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking >>> points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields, >>> which >>> >> >> It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society. >> >> Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper: >> http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf >> >> Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project >> share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with Radical >> Collaboration and Radical Transparency. >> >> --g > > > That article makes for awesome reading. Thank you. I had to do some googling and read more from that quote about the Gates Foundation. 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Rahul From rtlm10 at gmail.com Sun May 25 16:19:01 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:19:01 -0400 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805231411n1aa41dacgda7e62197d4f0b0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130805231346nbf1c91bi93bfd5ff00233f27@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805231411n1aa41dacgda7e62197d4f0b0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130805250919q3e3dce44jbb6e6e340eca8b1b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I really don't want to encourage photo editting. I actually prefer raw > candids. I do agree they make for better pictures for a coffee table book. I was kind of thinking that only a select number of things would be allowed. Say only the components from the logo for example. Anyway lets put that to the side and concentrate on raw pictures. We can always dust it off if there aren't enough submissions coming in. > And I really want a common physical object...because a > common physical object is going to impose some general consistency on > how things are framed and takes much effort out of the eventual > editting down of the material into something like a book. If you > encourage too much abstraction when you set up the parameters as to > what you ask for, then you going to make it much more likely to end up > with images you simply have to throw out for some reason. It doesn't matter what the parameters are things are going to have to be thrown out. To have a quality final product we actually want to have to throw out the vast majority of submissions. Maybe something like a gallery site (already in the repos) would allow folks to vote on pictures so the choice wouldn't be a massive effort for one person or a few people. > You also need to realize that it might not actually be legal to take > pictures of things like sculptures in some circumstances and use them > in commercial ways without the owner or artist's permission. Knowing > what is allowed can be complicated, and I'd really not encourage that > sort of thing, and end up having to track down whether or not that > object in the image is something we can reproduce a likeness of > commercially. Totally not worth the pain. I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression that objects in public spaces were fair game. Sad to find out that isn't the case. :-( You're right that would be an awful lot of work and would take the fun out of the project. Russell From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun May 25 18:39:03 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:39:03 -0800 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130805250919q3e3dce44jbb6e6e340eca8b1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <6ad0ab20805230736n7dfdd8c6k98d3117f2f3e3db5@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805230847x6e32ba5bg149b59f1d829c31e@mail.gmail.com> <1211563863.5707.15.camel@victoria> <604aa7910805231058o321d21b5re232dfbed1e7a645@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130805231346nbf1c91bi93bfd5ff00233f27@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805231411n1aa41dacgda7e62197d4f0b0b@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130805250919q3e3dce44jbb6e6e340eca8b1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805251139o258cdbd9n8d4da0898f5199b5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Russell Harrison wrote: > I do agree they make for better pictures for a coffee table book. I > was kind of thinking that only a select number of things would be > allowed. Say only the components from the logo for example. Anyway >lets put that to the side and concentrate on raw pictures. We can > always dust it off if there aren't enough submissions coming in. Nope fully disagree. I think we should be a specific as possible... and ask people to use a specific object or shape. I think the more abstract the pictures are..the less cohesive the concept. The point is not to collect random candids of people, just because they are people, even if they are our people. The point isn't to encourage people to be wacky and expressive in how they take their pictures. People could already be taking pictures like that and sharing them. I don't see the value in archiving all possible pictures from a project marketing standpoint. The point of this specific proposal it to draw attention to the symbolic relationships between people and our ideals. One object..repeated over and over and over again. Not 3 objects or 5 objects..or random objects. We stress the shared commitment through repetition of the single object as a single repeated symbol. >It doesn't matter what the parameters are things are going to have to >be thrown out. To have a quality final product we actually want to >have to throw out the vast majority of submissions. Maybe something >like a gallery site (already in the repos) would allow folks to vote >on pictures so the choice wouldn't be a massive effort for one person >or a few people. Again I disagree. The more constrained the parameters the more quality we get coming in the door and the less work for everyone who wants to make use of these images as tools for specific marketing goals. Again these pictures are not meant to be be expressive...they are meant as tools to meet a specific goal...and as such it is only fair to state upfront to the people creating the tools what the constraints are. We have package submission criteria for a reason. Those quality assurance reasons are just as valid for content submissions. Having a big pile of candids that are all over the place in terms of composition and style that we can't easily sort is just a big garbage pile.... not unlike the a big pile of random desktop wallpapers that some sites collect for users to make use of. I think its important that we give our contributors the responsibility to submit appropriate material. And we do that by be explicit about what we are looking for. Don't open up a submission call to on all possible potential uses for images. Be narrow and stay focused...and ask the same of the submitters. If in the future we come up with another reason to collect images, then we do it again with different criteria and constraints. If we develop a gallery process which expects people to drop in low quality material.. is that really an appropriate methodology to encourage the type of contribution we want to see project wide? I don't think so. If we do it, we do it in a constrained and tight way that encourages and expects people to submit material which is unlikely to be thrown out based on quality. I'd much rather hold a repository of quality images that meet well defined submission criteria then to have a big pile of images that we feel compelled to keep simply because they were submitted and we'd feel bad throwing away a good faith submission. -jef I think your are also thinking that we only have to have one set of physically published images. That may not actually make sense, since we are as global as we all. We might not be able to do a single official publication to meet the underlying goal. We may very well use an on-demand process, such that different project subgroups could have their own mix of images in the publishable material they use, beyond just a single coffee table book. If we in the US found a way to get candids of public officials holding the symbol of our ideals, that'd be great for a US book...but not so useful for say Brazil... and vice-versa. > I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression that objects in > public spaces were fair game. Public property or government property is one thing, private property is another. For example a private university campus like say Princeton has a number of statues and pretty buildings. And while you are welcome to walk around and enjoy the scenery, even take pictures for personal use, you may not have the right to use images of them commercially without express permission of the University. -jef From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun May 25 18:53:59 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 13:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sponsorship from RH ? (fwd) Message-ID: Is there anything we can do to better clear up understandings like this? -Mike ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:30:38 -0600 From: Stephen John Smoogen Reply-To: EPEL development disccusion To: EPEL development disccusion Subject: Re: sponsorship from RH ? On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2008, Gilboa Davara wrote: >> Issues w/ CentOS should be reported to CentOS. >> Issues w/ EPEL should be reported to redhat. >> > > ** NOT DIRECTED AT Gilboa ** > > This comment bugs me to my very core since RedHat has had so little to > do with EPEL. I'm proud of this fact but it frustrates me not as a RH > employee but as someone that was a Fedora volunteer before I was hired at > RH. EPEL's steering comittee and much of the work that came to make it a The big issue with the confusion is that Fedora's bugzilla is Red Hat's bugzilla. So if I want to push an EPEL bug I report to "redhat". If I want to report a fedora bug.. I report to "redhat". This is one area where Red Hat's brand squashes Fedora's brand in people's minds. Squashes it dead. People will equate EPEL == Red Hat for many reasons.. but that is the one that stands out in my mind the most. (next to epel-devel-list at redhat.com versus fedoraproject.org or some such thing). > reality and what it is today was done not by RH but by volunteers. EPEL > is a team, they get support from Fedora, who gets support from RH sure. > Even the RH employees that were and are involved do a lot of it in their > free time. But EPEL is a team of people and even though it's young, i'ts a > mature organization that can and does deal with its own issues. > > -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > epel-devel-list mailing list > epel-devel-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/epel-devel-list > -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" _______________________________________________ epel-devel-list mailing list epel-devel-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/epel-devel-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun May 25 19:08:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:38:41 +0530 Subject: sponsorship from RH ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4839B939.5030308@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > Is there anything we can do to better clear up understandings like this? > > -Mike Wasn't there some decisions made by the Fedora Board to move mailing lists into Fedora infrastructure? Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun May 25 19:10:58 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:10:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sponsorship from RH ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <4839B939.5030308@fedoraproject.org> References: <4839B939.5030308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > Is there anything we can do to better clear up understandings like this? > > > > -Mike > > Wasn't there some decisions made by the Fedora Board to move mailing lists > into Fedora infrastructure? > Not that I'm aware, do you have the notes that discuss that decision? AFAIK they're still looking at what options are available. -Mike From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun May 25 19:13:26 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:13:26 -0400 Subject: sponsorship from RH ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Is there anything we can do to better clear up understandings like this? On this particular front, I really like what I'm seeing in rhbz3.2 - It makes it quite clear that even though we might share the same bugzilla instance, there are two separate classifications of products - those that are produced by RH, and those that are Fedora. Red Hat is just providing us infrastructure there. As far as the mailing lists being @redhat.com, we have a solution for that now, but I was under the impression that we weren't going to migrate lists. Perhaps we should revisit that decision? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun May 25 19:23:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:53:56 +0530 Subject: sponsorship from RH ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <4839B939.5030308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4839BCCC.4070207@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 26 May 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Mike McGrath wrote: >>> Is there anything we can do to better clear up understandings like this? >>> >>> -Mike >> Wasn't there some decisions made by the Fedora Board to move mailing lists >> into Fedora infrastructure? >> > > Not that I'm aware, do you have the notes that discuss that decision? > AFAIK they're still looking at what options are available. I was incorrect. Apparently there is a branding discussion however which should help. People frequently overlook the impact of simple rebranding. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-04-29 Rahul From ayrton at projetofedora.org Sun May 25 23:24:22 2008 From: ayrton at projetofedora.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayrton_Ara=C3=BAjo_?=) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:24:22 -0400 Subject: New layout of the Brazilian Fedora Project Forum Message-ID: <20a82c720805251624t24c05fddp6e1a279a646edfc4@mail.gmail.com> Now the Brazilian Fedora Project Forum have a new face, visit: http://projetofedora.org/portal/forum/ The new layout of the forum was developed by Madu Souza (leader of the regional users group of Rio Grande do Norte in Brazil) and Ayrton Araujo (Brazilian Fedora Project Ambassador of state of Amazonas in Brazil), based on some suggestions of the topic http://projetofedora.org/portal/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3. Soon the forum will be counting on some more news, do not fail to monitor and participate pointing out that gifts will be distributed to members more active. 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So quite a lot to digest but take a look anyway. http://janfredrik.wordpress.com/master-thesis/ Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue May 27 05:31:35 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:31:35 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > For a couple of smallish videos, try > http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/ I wonder, how would our aggregator handle the xml file you just created? Okay so its doable to write the xml by hand on a per submission basis for a little bit while we only have a few clips. It's going still a pain in the ass to write the xml by hand long term. I guess we will want a simple form based submission page that constructs the xml entry. Assuming people can host their own videos for now in their people space. Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to populate a first cut at a miro channel. Maybe even do some low quality webcam videos using cheese...sort of like candid interviews. Place the theora vids into the fedora people space, and drop a formatted email into this mailing list so someone, me perhaps, can scrape them to produce an xml feed. And of course I'm not going to be there. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 27 05:42:49 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:42:49 +0300 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483B9F59.4040900@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam > session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to > populate a first cut at a miro channel. If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape and GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not get one *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, trust me, I am absolutely awful at *speaking* it). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue May 27 05:58:28 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:58:28 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <483B9F59.4040900@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> <483B9F59.4040900@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910805262258m18efec59r4b349587ef7f603b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape and > GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not get one > *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, trust me, I am > absolutely awful at *speaking* it). Excellent! And if you want to add a soundtrack, just speak in your native language. We are global after all. If people want to translate it into English and offer an English version...we can play with that too. I don't want to sweat all the details initially. Let's just get some theora content into a dogfoodable miro stream, and then once we've got a little experience with it we'll have a better idea of how to organize things optimally for the F10 release timeframe. -jef From btoogood at slingshot.co.nz Tue May 27 06:28:01 2008 From: btoogood at slingshot.co.nz (brendon) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:28:01 +1200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211869681.9016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> excellant idea Jeff, this would be good especially for people like myself who can't get to the FUDCon, and would like to see it and find out whats going on. > > Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam > session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to > populate a first cut at a miro channel. Maybe even do some low > quality webcam videos using cheese...sort of like candid interviews. > Place the theora vids into the fedora people space, and drop a > formatted email into this mailing list so someone, me perhaps, can > scrape them to produce an xml feed. And of course I'm not going to be > there. > > -jef > -- Brendon Toogood Ambassador Fedora Project New Zealand HTTP://www.fedoraproject.org Email:btoogood at fedoraproject.org for cd's and dvds From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue May 27 06:47:04 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 22:47:04 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <1211869681.9016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> <1211869681.9016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910805262347u1dee434fnb8db32543f75ec5b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM, brendon wrote: > excellant idea Jeff, this would be good especially for people like > myself who can't get to the FUDCon, and would like to see it and find > out whats going on. Don't get your hopes too high. To get a lot of fudcon video up on a feed, we are going to need a way to host long vids. The fedorapeople space isn't going to work well for FUDCon session videos. If we want to video FUDCon sessions we need to do the following: First we need to test a Fedora specific miro feed with small videos... which is what I'm focused on right now. Then we need to test that feed using torrents for a couple of longer videos. Then we need to see if we an make room on our torrent server for FUDCon session videos from this year...this is what I'm not sure about. Then we need people to record those videos and upload them to the torrent server. ... profit. Actually... don't we have old FUDCon videos on the torrent server right now? We could test a miro feed using those torrents as the target url. I'm not setting my hopes that high, if people can pull the resources together to make it all happen..great! But I'm not going to be disappointed if we don't get all of that done this time around. I'm aiming for a series of shorter videos, that people can easily host on the fedora people space. And I'd settle for people just getting together in a room at FUDCon and organizing a plan to make a Fedora branded miro channel a workable 'Feature' for F10. -jef"FYI, conference rates are cheap in Alaska in the Winter..something to think about for F10"spaleta From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 27 08:03:44 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:03:44 +0300 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805262258m18efec59r4b349587ef7f603b@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0805220235y4447cf60pf6c01352c371ca3d@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805262231u5b8d61adxb8e63a40a1d6b9c6@mail.gmail.com> <483B9F59.4040900@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910805262258m18efec59r4b349587ef7f603b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483BC060.4010503@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape and >> GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not get one >> *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, trust me, I am >> absolutely awful at *speaking* it). > > Excellent! And if you want to add a soundtrack, just speak in your > native language. We are global after all. Since fedorapeople.org has a disk quota which I don't want to exceed, here are the screencasts on my personal space (Dreamhost, not that bad as a hosting solution, probably can take the load) http://howto.nicubunu.ro/video/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From bche at redhat.com Tue May 27 21:07:48 2008 From: bche at redhat.com (Bryan Che) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:07:48 -0400 Subject: new list of names for fedora grid project In-Reply-To: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> References: <4829D436.1000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <483C7824.8010301@redhat.com> Hi, after getting updated votes and doing a trademark search, it appears that "Fedora Nightlife" is the new name for our community grid project. I'll start getting the infrastructure (mailing lists, web pages) setup for this. Bryan Bryan Che wrote: > Hi, thanks to John Adams for generating an updated list of potential > names for the Fedora grid project. John's recommendations, in order, are: > > Tier 1 > 1. Powernap > 2. Nightlife > 3. Awaken > > Tier 2 > 1. PowerFarm > 2. Think Tank > 3. Slumber > > Tier 3 > 1. Siesta > 2. Underground > 3. Swarm > > Attached is his full list. > > Please reply by Friday 5/16 with +1/0/-1 votes on names, and I'll take > the updated candidates to legal review afterwards. > > Bryan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board From rafaelliu at gmail.com Wed May 28 01:50:37 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:50:37 -0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Rafael Liu Santos Message-ID: Hey all, my name is Rafael Liu Santos and I'm from Bras?lia, the Brazil capital. I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, third year (2 more to graduate!). I've started using linux with Gentoo, since then I've tried Debian and Slackware before sticking with Fedora. I feel it's a great project and I'd like to contribute, at first evangelizing which doesn't need much expertise, but maybe later with something like some RPM package support. I'm a Java enthusiastic too, and I've been longing to engage in some open source initiative, which I really believe is a great idea. Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I love to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any certifications or this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next month, tho). Still I think I have some contribution to make, as my college have lots of students and our labs have linux and geeks there use linux at home and there are teachers supporting it. I think it's a great environment to spread Fedora. Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors have being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of that I've written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and spice things up there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balajig81 at gmail.com Wed May 28 04:54:22 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:24:22 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: Rafael Liu Santos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6dd1343e0805272154y34072b15ue52fe3a55382497@mail.gmail.com> Hi rafael > Hey all, my name is Rafael Liu Santos and I'm from Bras?lia, the Brazil > capital. I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, third year (2 > more to graduate!). Welcome Aboard ! Great to have you here as part of this project. > Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I love > to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any certifications or > this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next month, tho). Still I think > I have some contribution to make, as my college have lots of students and > our labs have linux and geeks there use linux at home and there are teachers > supporting it. I think it's a great environment to spread Fedora. You dont actually need certifications. Passion to learn and be part of this project and of course some amount of time for this project is all that is required :) > Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors have > being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of that I've > written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and spice things up > there. Fedora also has a Free Media Programme which is getting more and more focus so you could be part of that too and spread it :) Welcome once again ! Cheers, Balaji 2008/5/28 rafael liu : > Hey all, my name is Rafael Liu Santos and I'm from Bras?lia, the Brazil > capital. I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, third year (2 > more to graduate!). > > I've started using linux with Gentoo, since then I've tried Debian and > Slackware before sticking with Fedora. I feel it's a great project and I'd > like to contribute, at first evangelizing which doesn't need much expertise, > but maybe later with something like some RPM package support. I'm a Java > enthusiastic too, and I've been longing to engage in some open source > initiative, which I really believe is a great idea. > > Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I love > to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any certifications or > this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next month, tho). Still I think > I have some contribution to make, as my college have lots of students and > our labs have linux and geeks there use linux at home and there are teachers > supporting it. I think it's a great environment to spread Fedora. > > Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors have > being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of that I've > written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and spice things up > there. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From teseu at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 06:47:54 2008 From: teseu at fedoraproject.org (Teseu) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:47:54 -0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Rafael Liu Santos In-Reply-To: <6dd1343e0805272154y34072b15ue52fe3a55382497@mail.gmail.com> References: <6dd1343e0805272154y34072b15ue52fe3a55382497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Rafael, Welcome, I'm from Brasilia too (and former UnB student too, just a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, ops, this is from another place if I remember well). We can be in touch too plan the event in October in Brasilia, some kind of FISL in Catolica University. Teseu 2008/5/28 G : > Hi rafael > > > Hey all, my name is Rafael Liu Santos and I'm from Bras?lia, the Brazil > > capital. I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, third year (2 > > more to graduate!). > > Welcome Aboard ! Great to have you here as part of this project. > > > Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I > love > > to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any certifications or > > this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next month, tho). Still I > think > > I have some contribution to make, as my college have lots of students and > > our labs have linux and geeks there use linux at home and there are > teachers > > supporting it. I think it's a great environment to spread Fedora. > > You dont actually need certifications. Passion to learn and be part of > this project and of course some amount of time for this project is all > that is required :) > > > Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors > have > > being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of that I've > > written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and spice things > up > > there. > > Fedora also has a Free Media Programme which is getting more and more > focus so you could be part of that too and spread it :) > > > Welcome once again ! > > Cheers, > Balaji > > > 2008/5/28 rafael liu : > > Hey all, my name is Rafael Liu Santos and I'm from Bras?lia, the Brazil > > capital. I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, third year (2 > > more to graduate!). > > > > I've started using linux with Gentoo, since then I've tried Debian and > > Slackware before sticking with Fedora. I feel it's a great project and > I'd > > like to contribute, at first evangelizing which doesn't need much > expertise, > > but maybe later with something like some RPM package support. I'm a Java > > enthusiastic too, and I've been longing to engage in some open source > > initiative, which I really believe is a great idea. > > > > Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I > love > > to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any certifications or > > this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next month, tho). Still I > think > > I have some contribution to make, as my college have lots of students and > > our labs have linux and geeks there use linux at home and there are > teachers > > supporting it. I think it's a great environment to spread Fedora. > > > > Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors > have > > being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of that I've > > written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and spice things > up > > there. > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "...don't underestimate the power of the dark side..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm a college student in Universidade de Bras?lia, > third year (2 more to graduate!). > > I've started using linux with Gentoo, since then I've tried Debian and > Slackware before sticking with Fedora. I feel it's a great project and > I'd like to contribute, at first evangelizing which doesn't need much > expertise, but maybe later with something like some RPM package > support. I'm a Java enthusiastic too, and I've been longing to engage > in some open source initiative, which I really believe is a great > idea. > > Honestly my professional back ground is in Java, linux is something I > love to do any spare time I have. Said that I don't have any > certifications or this sorta things.. (I'm planning doing LPI next > month, tho). Still I think I have some contribution to make, as my > college have lots of students and our labs have linux and geeks there > use linux at home and there are teachers supporting it. I think it's a > great environment to spread Fedora. > > Recently I saw some Ubuntu DVDs being distributed and Sun ambassadors > have being talking about Open Solaris. Then I thought about all of > that I've written you and asked my self why not to engage Fedora and > spice things up there. > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From rafaelliu at gmail.com Wed May 28 17:57:52 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:57:52 -0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Rafael Liu Santos Message-ID: Sure, Teseu, that was in my plans. Even presenting Fedora in some already known event such as FISL, as you said. Let's do that. We could exchange MSN or GTalk. Mine is rafaelliu at gmail.comfor either. Rafael Liu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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People will be able to donate idle capacity from their own computers to an open, general-purpose Fedora-run grid for processing socially beneficial work and scientific research that requires access to large amounts of computing power." http://digg.com/linux_unix/Introducing_Fedora_Nightlife Rahul From che666 at gmail.com Thu May 29 06:00:16 2008 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:00:16 +0200 Subject: Introducing Fedora Nightlife In-Reply-To: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> References: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://bryanche.blogspot.com/2008/05/introducing-fedora-nightlife.html > > "Fedora Nightlife is a new project for creating a Fedora community grid. > People will be able to donate idle capacity from their own computers to an > open, general-purpose Fedora-run grid for processing socially beneficial > work and scientific research that requires access to large amounts of > computing power." > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Introducing_Fedora_Nightlife > > Rahul irc channel #fedora-nightlife is open on irc.freenode.net for those interested. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gdk at redhat.com Thu May 29 18:13:02 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora marketing meeting in about an hour Message-ID: In freenode, #fedora-mktg. Agenda (on the new wiki, yay!) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks See you all at 3pm Eastern US time. --g From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Thu May 29 22:11:53 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:11:53 -0700 Subject: Cluster Analysis Software Message-ID: Hi, I've been asked whether or not if there's Cluster Analysis software that is open source? If so, please give me some recommendations. Thanks, Grady From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri May 30 00:20:34 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:20:34 +0800 Subject: Cluster Analysis Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483F4852.5010500@gmail.com> try here:- http://rana.lbl.gov/EisenSoftwareSource.htm released source code of ScanAlyze, Cluster and TreeView to the academic/non-profit community. Thanks you & Have a Nice Day Best Regards, Jason Benedict Low *Allow us to treat you with the individuality you deserve! Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi, > I've been asked whether or not if there's Cluster Analysis software > that is open source? If so, please give me some recommendations. > > Thanks, > Grady > > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Fri May 30 00:30:58 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:30:58 -0700 Subject: Cluster Analysis Software In-Reply-To: <483F4852.5010500@gmail.com> References: <483F4852.5010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks :) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Jason Benedict Low wrote: > try here:- http://rana.lbl.gov/EisenSoftwareSource.htm > > released source code of ScanAlyze, Cluster and TreeView to the > academic/non-profit community. > > Thanks you & Have a Nice Day > > Best Regards, > Jason Benedict Low > *Allow us to treat you with the individuality you deserve! > > > > > Grady Laksmono wrote: > >> Hi, >> I've been asked whether or not if there's Cluster Analysis software >> that is open source? If so, please give me some recommendations. >> >> Thanks, >> Grady >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glaksmono at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 00:48:01 2008 From: glaksmono at fedoraproject.org (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:48:01 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Media Supplies Message-ID: Hi all, Many of my class mates would like to get the Fedora 9 media, where can I request the supplies for this? I'm happy that many of us are moving to open source! :) Thanks, Grady -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 02:23:55 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:23:55 -0600 Subject: Introducing Fedora Nightlife In-Reply-To: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> References: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1212114235.3093.4.camel@stacy.localdomain> Excellent project and very illustrative description!!!, I posted a spanish translation in my blog http://alexacosta.wordpress.com (domain name to be changed soon ) Please spanish speaking fellows let me know if you find words or ideas that may be misspelled. Alejandro Acosta On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://bryanche.blogspot.com/2008/05/introducing-fedora-nightlife.html > > "Fedora Nightlife is a new project for creating a Fedora community grid. > People will be able to donate idle capacity from their own computers to > an open, general-purpose Fedora-run grid for processing socially > beneficial work and scientific research that requires access to large > amounts of computing power." > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Introducing_Fedora_Nightlife > > Rahul > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 03:25:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:55:12 +0530 Subject: Early Days with KDE 4: openSUSE 10.3, Kubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9 compared Message-ID: <483F7398.1010100@fedoraproject.org> Hi More like short notes but someone from KDE SIG might want to take a look and respond http://softvision.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/early-days-with-kde-4-opensuse-103-kubuntu-804-and-fedora-9-compared/ Rahul From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri May 30 03:44:02 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:44:02 +0800 Subject: Early Days with KDE 4: openSUSE 10.3, Kubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9 compared Message-ID: may be should try Fedora kde edition From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri May 30 05:12:13 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:12:13 +0800 (WST) Subject: Fedora 9 Media Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10257.203.161.121.10.1212124333.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > Hi all, > Many of my class mates would like to get the Fedora 9 media, where can I > request the supplies for this? I'm happy that many of us are moving to > open > source! :) > > Thanks, > Grady Erm do you mean in with cd/dvd's? If so you will have to request it from the wiki. Do a search for freemedia. If you mean downloading the cd/dvd's from http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora Cheers, Marc From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri May 30 06:31:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:31:06 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Media Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483F9F2A.9090107@nicubunu.ro> Grady Laksmono wrote: > Hi all, > Many of my class mates would like to get the Fedora 9 media, where can I > request the supplies for this? I'm happy that many of us are moving to > open source! :) Wouldn't be cooler if you set up a "Live USB creation station", have them bring their own USB pen drives and spread Fedora this way? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gelios at gmail.com Fri May 30 06:47:21 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:47:21 +0400 Subject: Cluster Analysis Software In-Reply-To: References: <483F4852.5010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <448999300805292347r2f226f60vb7c9f68cc9112853@mail.gmail.com> yum install R (http://www.r-project.org/) 2008/5/30 Grady Laksmono : > Thanks :) > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Jason Benedict Low > wrote: >> >> try here:- http://rana.lbl.gov/EisenSoftwareSource.htm >> >> released source code of ScanAlyze, Cluster and TreeView to the >> academic/non-profit community. >> >> Thanks you & Have a Nice Day >> >> Best Regards, >> Jason Benedict Low >> *Allow us to treat you with the individuality you deserve! >> >> >> >> Grady Laksmono wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I've been asked whether or not if there's Cluster Analysis software >>> that is open source? If so, please give me some recommendations. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Grady >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Fri May 30 07:32:35 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:32:35 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 Media Supplies In-Reply-To: <483F9F2A.9090107@nicubunu.ro> References: <483F9F2A.9090107@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Yeah, I've announced to people about the Live USB. I'm going to promote the Live USB more then.. The Free Media doesn't have the one for the Fedora 9 though.. 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URL: From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Fri May 30 16:06:45 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:06:45 -0600 Subject: Introducing Fedora Nightlife In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00805300859u5cda3b7eo78b25c4390e64bee@mail.gmail.com> References: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> <1212114235.3093.4.camel@stacy.localdomain> <5d88dfb00805300859u5cda3b7eo78b25c4390e64bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212163605.3179.1.camel@stacy.localdomain> Thank you John, For your information and everyone's, and for future references my domain is now: http://alejandroacosta.com Hope to see you all soon there On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:59 -0600, John Mackay wrote: > Cool, I'll be using it in this news site www.linuxmaya.com, tnx :). > > 2008/5/29 Alejandro Acosta : > Excellent project and very illustrative description!!!, I > posted a > spanish translation in my blog http://alexacosta.wordpress.com > (domain > name to be changed soon ) > > Please spanish speaking fellows let me know if you find words > or ideas > that may be misspelled. > > Alejandro Acosta > > > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > http://bryanche.blogspot.com/2008/05/introducing-fedora-nightlife.html > > > > "Fedora Nightlife is a new project for creating a Fedora > community grid. > > People will be able to donate idle capacity from their own > computers to > > an open, general-purpose Fedora-run grid for processing > socially > > beneficial work and scientific research that requires access > to large > > amounts of computing power." > > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Introducing_Fedora_Nightlife > > > > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From mackay3 at gmail.com Fri May 30 16:40:16 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:16 -0600 Subject: Introducing Fedora Nightlife In-Reply-To: <1212163605.3179.1.camel@stacy.localdomain> References: <483E456A.7000309@fedoraproject.org> <1212114235.3093.4.camel@stacy.localdomain> <5d88dfb00805300859u5cda3b7eo78b25c4390e64bee@mail.gmail.com> <1212163605.3179.1.camel@stacy.localdomain> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00805300940g239765a0s410a37aecec70a18@mail.gmail.com> Gracias, ya sub? la noticia, corregidos dos que tres typos, y unas cuantas mejoritas dispersas de contexto (aunque la parte de "acerca de Condor" qued? igual, y todav?a no la trago). 2008/5/30 Alejandro Acosta : > Thank you John, > > For your information and everyone's, and for future references my domain > is now: http://alejandroacosta.com > > Hope to see you all soon there > > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:59 -0600, John Mackay wrote: > > Cool, I'll be using it in this news site www.linuxmaya.com, tnx :). > > > > 2008/5/29 Alejandro Acosta : > > Excellent project and very illustrative description!!!, I > > posted a > > spanish translation in my blog http://alexacosta.wordpress.com > > (domain > > name to be changed soon ) > > > > Please spanish speaking fellows let me know if you find words > > or ideas > > that may be misspelled. > > > > Alejandro Acosta > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > http://bryanche.blogspot.com/2008/05/introducing-fedora-nightlife.html > > > > > > "Fedora Nightlife is a new project for creating a Fedora > > community grid. > > > People will be able to donate idle capacity from their own > > computers to > > > an open, general-purpose Fedora-run grid for processing > > socially > > > beneficial work and scientific research that requires access > > to large > > > amounts of computing power." > > > > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Introducing_Fedora_Nightlife > > > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Sat May 31 14:05:35 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:05:35 +0200 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer > found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and > decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people > holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer > then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of > these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I > repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day > rolled around. But I digress.... > > I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like > that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain > trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project > stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials > concerning that person and Fedora. > > We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on. > > If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give > the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand > publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards. Fudcon bracelets. We have probably a million of them. -Yaakov From omen at fedoraproject.org Sat May 31 14:14:52 2008 From: omen at fedoraproject.org (Saadaldine AlSaidi) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:14:52 +0300 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800805310714rdfde9a8mef9c736440ea73ef@mail.gmail.com> Thats a great Idea, We should establish a users experience book with a picture of him/her holding a fedora logo 1st to publish on-line and then to do some supporting products, such as posters, hard copy books, even some coffee tables and so..... I guess this must be considered in upcoming meetings. I guess fedora could use some of the money and we could also use it in charity as mentioned, but as always when we charity we talk publicity. thanks for such great idea Peace On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer > > found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and > > decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people > > holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer > > then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of > > these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I > > repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day > > rolled around. But I digress.... > > > > I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like > > that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain > > trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project > > stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials > > concerning that person and Fedora. > > > > We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands > on. > > > > If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give > > the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand > > publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards. > > Fudcon bracelets. We have probably a million of them. > > -Yaakov > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. 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