From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 18:07:37 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:07:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: wanted: Fedora Weekly News beat writer for Planet Message-ID: Hi, We're looking for a new volunteer to cover the Planet Fedora beat for FWN. Total commitment is about 45 minutes per week. Your job is to read Planet every day (which you probably already do), and make a note of the most interesting blog posts. Then at the end of the week, write a short summary of the most interesting 8-12 for Fedora Weekly News. Anyone interested? Thanks, Max From cyberspy at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 1 18:12:22 2008 From: cyberspy at fedoraproject.org (CyberSpy) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:12:22 -0400 Subject: wanted: Fedora Weekly News beat writer for Planet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108fe3f0811011112u5a00d29che89d4043b189d0f2@mail.gmail.com> Max, I wouldn't mind volunteering for this. 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Thanks so much! --Max From cyberspy at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 1 18:16:19 2008 From: cyberspy at fedoraproject.org (CyberSpy) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:16:19 -0400 Subject: wanted: Fedora Weekly News beat writer for Planet In-Reply-To: References: <108fe3f0811011112u5a00d29che89d4043b189d0f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <108fe3f0811011116u179f5119h5d8801a815e3005b@mail.gmail.com> No problem, will do that now. Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:56:55 -0500 Subject: F10 PR digg Message-ID: <20081104185655.GC24072@localhost.localdomain> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Release_Candidate Digg away! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 19:38:31 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:38:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: F10 PR digg In-Reply-To: <20081104185655.GC24072@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081104185655.GC24072@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Release_Candidate > > Digg away! > We've not seen any noticable increase in traffic for the preview (nor did we for the beta). I think its because no one knows we had these releases. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 20:03:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:03:52 -0500 Subject: F10 PR digg In-Reply-To: References: <20081104185655.GC24072@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081104200352.GI24072@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 01:38:31PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Release_Candidate > > > > Digg away! > > > > We've not seen any noticable increase in traffic for the preview (nor did > we for the beta). I think its because no one knows we had these releases. There's a press blog entry about the preview that I wrote up for release today -- I just reached out to find the status. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mdehaan at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 17:44:43 2008 From: mdehaan at redhat.com (Michael DeHaan) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <7f1ac9bc6586f7737a77f00dba2c9efd.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> <7f1ac9bc6586f7737a77f00dba2c9efd.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Message-ID: <4911DB8B.3090904@redhat.com> Sandro red Mathys wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Max Spevack wrote: >> IMHO, the Store SIG was a more interesting idea before we got to the >> point where NA and EMEA ambassadors are both regionally self-sufficient >> in producing all the things they need. >> > > I think that's true for ambassadors producing the polos and swag they need > for events. > > But we'd still need a store for people who want to buy some merchandise > over the internet. The online store can also offer more different products > (with different printings) than we can at an event (because we're > restricted in money to stock those things and in space to offer them at > the events). > > > Seconded. Putting on my contributer hat (which I don't have, because there is no store), I don't want a store for ambassadors to get shirts, I'd like a store so /I/ can get shirts. (Heck, I've even bought a OpenBSD shirt because they had a store and a nice logo. Open source shirts are a good thing.) Where do I do that for Fedora today? Our options are limited to going to events -- and not everyone can go to events. Lots more people use Fedora and cheap-advertising on people's backs (especially things we don't have to pay for) is a way to spread the message. --Michael From jayme at jaymeayres.com Thu Nov 6 14:28:04 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:28:04 -0200 Subject: Latinoware Message-ID: <64b33fc70811060628v2d1d05dp5c007f71b17acab0@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! Here are some photos[1] I took during the V Latinoware[2] - Free Software Latin-American Conference in Foz do Iguazu (Fos of Iguassu) conducted at the Itaipu Technological Park [4](PTI) aBrazilian government that encourages more use of FOSS in Brazil. IItaipu [3] is the largest hydroelectric power plant in the world sharing its production of energy with Paraguay and is a bi-national body This is the second largest event in Brazil after the FISL[5]. The event was a success and the Fedora Project had a strong focus with a lot of lectures and mini-courses toward advanced users and beginners in Linux. I would like to thank the ambassadors of Argentina and Colombia to attend and share lessons. I put some photos on the Flickr group Fedora Linux. Enjoy. [1]http://www.flickr.com/photos/projetofedora/ [2]http://2008.latinoware.org/ [3]http://www.itaipu.gov.br/index.php?q=en/node/1 [4]http://www.pti.org.br/home2/index.htm [5]http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/9.0/www/ -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 17:10:40 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:10:40 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today 11/06/08 @ 3PM EST Message-ID: <49132510.3080908@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, We will have our weekly meeting again Today. When: 3pm EST Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting (please note the new room) What: The agenda and other future projects See you all then! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 6 18:28:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:58:44 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 preview release shines like a star Message-ID: <4913375C.3010107@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/11/06/fedora-10-preview-release-shines-like-a-star "I tested the preview release in VirtualBox using the GNOME Live CD installer. I was particularly impressed with the high quality of the new desktop wallpaper image, which comes from the Solar artwork theme. The whole user experience felt amazingly polished. Fedora 10 is really shaping up nicely and feels like its going to be a very strong update" Rahul From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Nov 6 18:53:01 2008 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:53:01 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 preview release shines like a star In-Reply-To: <4913375C.3010107@fedoraproject.org> References: <4913375C.3010107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1225997581.4442.2.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/11/06/fedora-10-preview-release-shines-like-a-star > > "I tested the preview release in VirtualBox using the GNOME Live CD > installer. I was particularly impressed with the high quality of the new > desktop wallpaper image, which comes from the Solar artwork theme. The > whole user experience felt amazingly polished. Fedora 10 is really > shaping up nicely and feels like its going to be a very strong update" > > Rahul > In the same vein, we got a good coverage in the French press, on all major websites: http://www.clubic.com/actualite-175890-fedora-evaluation-finale.html http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/47104-fedora-linux-10-plymouth.htm http://www.linuxfr.org/2008/11/05/24644.html http://www.generation-nt.com/fedora-10-preview-release-linux-actualite-182641.html etc etc... Steven From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 7 14:24:47 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:24:47 +0000 Subject: 10 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 10 Message-ID: <507738ef0811070624g70d7b40ex98fd6c878a8aea0b@mail.gmail.com> Maybe I'm a little early this release, but like last time I've just put together a blog post that you guys will probably be interested in, and it would be cool if you could digg it. http://digg.com/linux_unix/10_Reasons_You_ll_Love_Fedora_10 Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 7 18:12:20 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:42:20 +0530 Subject: Sugar-Coated Fedora LiveCD Gives A Taste of the OLPC XO Message-ID: <49148504.1050501@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://ostatic.com/176568-blog/sugar-coated-fedora-livecd-gives-a-taste-of-the-olpc-xo "The live disk image incorporates Sugar-Browse (based on XULRunner) and Sugar-Write (based on AbiWord) as well as support for chat and several other application" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 7 18:19:43 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:49:43 +0530 Subject: Is Smolt the Key to Counting Linux Users? Message-ID: <491486BF.8060309@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Good to see Novell adopt Smolt officially within its installer for OpenSUSE. Let other distros know, that they should be joining the party as well. http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3783491/Is+Smolt+the+key+to+counting+Linux+Users.htm "Linux users are not an easy bunch to profile or to count. Many Linux users download the operating system for free and never perform any kind of systems registration to enumerate their hardware. That's where Smolt may be able to help fill the gap. Smolt is an open source hardware profiling technology that is already being used by Red Hat's Fedora and is set for inclusion in the upcoming Novell OpenSUSE 11.1 release. Ubuntu is currently considering Smolt as well. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 7 18:32:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:02:12 +0530 Subject: Upcoming Fedora 10 Release Has Style and Substance Message-ID: <491489AC.2080200@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://ostatic.com/176574-blog/upcoming-fedora-10-release-has-style-and-substance "This is where I admit I've been remiss. Taste aversion is a funny thing, and a few previous experiences with Fedora left a funny taste in my mouth. I have not seriously sat and looked at a Fedora release since FC2. As Fedora's new release started to take shape, I was hearing a lot of positive things -- comments about how good it looked, and how fast and solid it was. It seemed the right time to overcome the mental block I'd developed, and see what the fuss was about." "I can't tell you if Fedora 10 is a vast improvement over the previous release. I can say that my taste aversion is officially cured, and the upcoming release is impressive from nearly any angle." Rahul From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Nov 8 17:13:32 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:13:32 -0500 Subject: PR for Fedora 10 on the XO laptops. Message-ID: <4915C8BC.7040702@webpath.net> Hey everyone. Buzz about F10 as an alternate OS for the One Laptop Per Child's XO laptop has been underwhelming. Give one Get one starts in just a few days at amazon.com/xo and there's not much known about the F10 option. Could you help create some buzz? Digg it at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_a_Live_solution_for_One_Laptop_Per_Child For those of you who "Stumble" could you give http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Fedora_Live_on_One_Laptop_Per_Child_XOa thumbs up? Tweet about F10 on the XO, anything you can think of. This doesn't just spread Fedora, but it helps the OLPC mission in a big way. For every person who wants an XO, a child will receive a lifetime of learning. Let us know about any other articles you find talking about F10 on the XO so we can digg, tweet and Stumble it. If you're not the Social networking type, can you help the rest of us come up with talking points to promote this F10 as an option for the XO? The marketing points I have so far ... ... makes the XO behave like other small form factor (SFF) laptops. ... This is an exclusive piece of hardware. You can't get an XO just anywhere. ... When you buy an XO you're helping children - you can't say that about other SFF Laptops ... There's no need to skip the XO because you're not hyped about the child-friendly Desktop Environment. With Fedora on the XO, you'll be computing like you normally do. ... How 'bout that wifi? Those 'ears' double the hot spots you could normally connect to. (No, really! When connecting at home with ordinary wireless devices, I see 2-3 other networks. With the XO I see 5-6) ~Karlie From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 9 04:23:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:53:34 +0530 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview Message-ID: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I just listened to the review at http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZUm0A_jBwc and wanted to offer some comments to help you folks understand the changes better. Theme: Bryan didn't like the Nodoka changes (in particular the window border) but both of you liked the solar theme very much. Not much to add on Nodoka except that I am CC'ing the Martin Sourada, Nodoka theme developer if you want to have a more direction discussion. Plymouth: Fedora up until Fedora 9, included rhgb or Red Hat Graphical Boot. This has been replaced by Plymouth. You can find more information about this at http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-better-startup/ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_plymouth&num=1 The software itself is at http://freedesktop.org/software/plymouth/releases/ The gist of it, is that instead of starting a complete X server early at bootup, we now use a related feature called "Kernel Mode Setting". http://keithp.com/blogs/kernel-mode-drivers/ KMS requires extensive changes in X and Kernel that Red Hat is working on but this is not complete yet. For Fedora 10, only some ATI Radeon chipsets use KMS and get the new cool bootup shown at http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=7p2x0g-Cuss Intel originally had it but there is some major rewrite going on currently but it will likely be supported in an update. Similar situation for Nvidia as well. So for chipsets where KMS is not supported, we fallback to using a simple fade effect plugin. My guess is that, Chris has a ATI card when testing the live CD while Bryan used a Nvidia card with the DVD installer and that resulted in differences in the bootup rather than the image itself. While we will continue to offer the choice of a regular DVD installation image ( it is quite useful for redistribution and several other use cases), the current plan is to promote the live cd/ live usb more. You can find a mockup at http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ Installer: You remarked that the installer has not changing much. That is more or less true as far as the general interface is concerned but I would like to point out the integration of NetworkManager in Anaconda and some differences as a result of that Also you don't have to manually enter a mirror anymore if you are doing a network installation. We use the same mirror list that yum itself uses. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Changes_in_Anaconda PulseAudio glitch-free audio details is explained at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio Additional references on Fedora 10 changes: http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/10-reasons-youll-love-fedora-10/ http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/fedora-10-a-detailed-discussion-on-the-features/ http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/11/07/five-features-of-fedora-ten/ Rahul From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 07:22:30 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:22:30 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1226215350.4625.155.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 09:53 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZUm0A_jBwc http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Preview_Release_Video_Review -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, one of the hosts says up front that Fedora "sucks," but yet he goes on to agree with every positive point made by the other host except for the Nodoka theme and the Plymouth fallback to text mode. Another point that had me scratching my head was the same host indicating that Fedora had a lot of features that were in Ubuntu 8.10. This is certainly true, but the differentiator is that many of these features were *built* by Fedora contributors, inside and outside Red Hat. It's important for us to keep emphasizing this fact. Overall, the Artwork team seems to be picking up great kudos for their work, which is wonderful. It would be nice, though, to see reviewers pay more attention to what's under the hood. I expect this is a problem reflective of the Sturgeon 90% principle rather than something specific to Fedora or free software. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 9 20:29:05 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:29:05 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49174811.1030200@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Overall, the Artwork team seems to be picking up great kudos for their > work, which is wonderful. It is though, the LAS guys are *very* tough customers when it comes to artwork. ~m From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 9 20:41:02 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:41:02 +0100 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Another point that had me scratching my head was the same host > indicating that Fedora had a lot of features that were in Ubuntu > 8.10. This is certainly true, but the differentiator is that many of > these features were *built* by Fedora contributors, inside and outside > Red Hat. It's important for us to keep emphasizing this fact. This is something that has be bugging me for a long time. Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ? features ? that count in the Fedora X features. Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... We should really start communicating about the features very early in the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have to tell ? this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ?. ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's important for us to keep emphasizing this fact. > > This is something that has be bugging me for a long time. > > Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. > > Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ? features > ? that count in the Fedora X features. > > Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... That was one of the goals of the feature list. Not to be competitive but communicate early on, the features we were working on and it has resulted in a number of enthusiasts and the press, using it as their primary source of changes in the upcoming releases. We could do more, of course. Writing the release summary early on, can be quite useful for example. We just need more contributors working on it. Rahul From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 08:21:05 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:21:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline Message-ID: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be translated). Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 08:37:40 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:37:40 +0000 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> > Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. > > Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ? features > ? that count in the Fedora X features. > > Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... > > We should really start communicating about the features very early in > the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have to > tell ? this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ?. This is something I've tried to work on many times, and in the past when I've had more time had some success with. It's the *entire* reason I started doing the developer interviews, which btw prove to be very popular, frequently getting dugg or slashdotted in the past with a bit of leg work. It's also the entire reason I wrote to the editors of a load of magazines asking if there's something we can do to make their lives a little easier when reporting about Fedora. The editors were extremely appreciative, and many didn't even know the feature list existed until I pointed it out to them. I'd encourage anyone who cares about this issue to pick up some of these ideas and go ahead and just do stuff, come up with other ideas too, but actually do stuff. I have far less time these days, but will keep working where I can do. Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 09:49:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:19:55 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <491803C3.5000707@fedoraproject.org> Ricky Zhou wrote: > Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, > with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front > page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be > translated). > > Thanks, > Ricky "One Step Ahead" Rahul From fzied at dottn.com Mon Nov 10 12:08:35 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:08:35 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <491803C3.5000707@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <491803C3.5000707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <436bc6ca0811100408i6ee49b78we3b3dc763e46b937@mail.gmail.com> I read somewhere "Shines like a star" On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ricky Zhou wrote: > >> Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, >> with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front >> page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be >> translated). >> Thanks, >> Ricky >> > > "One Step Ahead" > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:52:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:52:53 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 08:37 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. > > > > Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ? features > > ? that count in the Fedora X features. > > > > Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... > > > > We should really start communicating about the features very early in > > the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have to > > tell ? this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ?. > > This is something I've tried to work on many times, and in the past > when I've had more time had some success with. > > It's the *entire* reason I started doing the developer interviews, > which btw prove to be very popular, frequently getting dugg or > slashdotted in the past with a bit of leg work. It's also the entire > reason I wrote to the editors of a load of magazines asking if there's > something we can do to make their lives a little easier when reporting > about Fedora. The editors were extremely appreciative, and many didn't > even know the feature list existed until I pointed it out to them. > > I'd encourage anyone who cares about this issue to pick up some of > these ideas and go ahead and just do stuff, come up with other ideas > too, but actually do stuff. I have far less time these days, but will > keep working where I can do. The feature list definitely *has* improved uptake from journalists, I can tell you from personal experience talking to them. And that's why we've linked it prominently in all the press issued in RHM and on the Red Hat press blog for our other pre-releases (Alpha, Beta, Preview). Every additional bit of attention counts, so what are other ways we can make sure our Fedora 11 features are out there early? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 13:06:47 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:06:47 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 03:21 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, > with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front > page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be > translated). We've tried to make these little slogans into verb phrases, i.e. persuade people to try Fedora out, do something cool with it. The theme is not to glorify the Fedora distribution itself, but to assure people they can accomplish their goals using Fedora, and give them the power to do it. So I thought of: "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) Other slogans I tried out that didn't make my personal, mental cut for one reason or another: * "Shine brightly" (too affected, with the adverb) * "Power up" (not very translatable, or comprehensible to many people) * "Free. Radical." (not a verb phrase, maybe too politicized a term, and the wordplay probably doesn't translate) * "Be a star." (Oh, gag me.) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fzied at dottn.com Mon Nov 10 13:09:19 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:09:19 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <436bc6ca0811100509r2a05ec09ja6371d4aba874726@mail.gmail.com> Shine your way 2008/11/10 Paul W. Frields > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 03:21 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, > > with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front > > page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be > > translated). > > We've tried to make these little slogans into verb phrases, i.e. > persuade people to try Fedora out, do something cool with it. The theme > is not to glorify the Fedora distribution itself, but to assure people > they can accomplish their goals using Fedora, and give them the power to > do it. So I thought of: > > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) > > Other slogans I tried out that didn't make my personal, mental cut for > one reason or another: > > * "Shine brightly" (too affected, with the adverb) > > * "Power up" (not very translatable, or comprehensible to many people) > > * "Free. Radical." (not a verb phrase, maybe too politicized a term, and > the wordplay probably doesn't translate) > > * "Be a star." (Oh, gag me.) > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Mon Nov 10 15:09:26 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:09:26 -0200 Subject: RES: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <004201c94346$5393d9e0$fabb8da0$@com.br> It's hard listen some reviews because the authors take position about something. Let's take this video as an example, both authors doesn't like Fedora at all. Second, yes, the artwork is really amazing but Gnome doesn't impress. Why not show KDE desktop? this is something amazing. Now, you are using an Preview release and complain about some error that you have with your DVD copy? Did you really check the DVD data or just skip and install? With this release we can think about our distribution in desktops as the system says for himself, we don't really need to publish a lot. For servers and enterprise desktops, we should talk more about new features. For example, I don't see nothing about KVM or virtualization solutions. In events in Brazil, all users are asking questions about this. Can I use Fedora as a server? Which solution do I have to virtualize my systems? Can I use Fedora to do this? We should concentrate our efforts to publish these technologies too. In the next Brazil Fedora Magazine, I wrote the Fedora 10 Review, and almost 50% of the article is about these new features. This must me showed. How? This is something that we should think about. My 0,05 cents. Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes Fedora Ambassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes http://rmenezes.com -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Paul W. Frields Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de novembro de 2008 10:53 Para: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Assunto: Re: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 08:37 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. > > > > Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ?? > > features ?? that count in the Fedora X features. > > > > Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... > > > > We should really start communicating about the features very early > > in the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have > > to tell ?? this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ??. __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 14:08:05 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:08:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Another point that had me scratching my head was the same host >> indicating that Fedora had a lot of features that were in Ubuntu >> 8.10. This is certainly true, but the differentiator is that many of >> these features were *built* by Fedora contributors, inside and >> outside Red Hat. It's important for us to keep emphasizing this >> fact. > > This is something that has be bugging me for a long time. > > Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. > > Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including ? > features ? that count in the Fedora X features. > > Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... > > We should really start communicating about the features very early in > the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have to > tell ? this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ?. A while back we started talking about Fedora in terms of -- Freedom, Folks, Features, First. If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board to think about altering our "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. Keep in mind that our original release date for Fedora 10 was supposed to be October 28, which would have been 2 days before Ubuntu 8.10. Ubuntu 9.04 is currently scheduled for April 23, whereas F11 would probably be either April 28th or May 5th. OpenSuse's release cycle currently seems to be a June/December one. Interested to hear other people's thoughts. --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 14:14:14 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:14:14 +0000 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> > The feature list definitely *has* improved uptake from journalists, I > can tell you from personal experience talking to them. I didn't say it hadn't. What I was saying is that when I contacted editors this time six months ago, the ones I spoke with didn't know it existed. I think it's a superb tool, but it's hardly much use if we don't tell anybody about it. My point was that we need to take more concrete actions that are visible to everyone. It's great having a feature list, and it's great having a marketing plan, but in what ways do these documents encourage and help people from the community to actively market releases? From my point of view, it seems like there's very little support for community marketing activities... (discounting the ambassadors project, who I think do a great job and seem to receive plenty of support). >And that's why > we've linked it prominently in all the press issued in RHM and on the > Red Hat press blog for our other pre-releases (Alpha, Beta, Preview). I'm glad, and hopefully this will help it to become even more widespread. (NB, it kind of erks me still that this kind of thing is being put solely on Red Hat properties. Don't get me wrong, I understand and appreciate the help that Red Hat provides, but in terms of branding, I think it would be extremely valuable if Fedora had it's own space for these things.) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 14:17:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:17:53 +0000 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> > If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the > calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release > their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when > reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done > (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board > to think about altering our "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a > little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. I don't know that this is necessary. I think in the last two release cycles (8 & 9) we made significant progress in tackling this, and looking around comments etc from the time, people were starting to recognise that Fedora was *the* distribution* for innovation. We just need to be more proactive in our shouting about features, much earlier in the release cycle (e.g. as soon as features start getting approved by FESCo, become vaguely testable). Saying that, I don't think it would hurt to release at a seperate time to Ubuntu, as we're never going to compete with an end-user orientated distribution in various media outlets (even more technical ones give far less precedence to development than they do businesss deployments). Jon From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 14:51:56 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:51:56 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081110145156.GD31382@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:14:14PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > The feature list definitely *has* improved uptake from journalists, I > > can tell you from personal experience talking to them. > > I didn't say it hadn't. I didn't take it that way, either. :-) I think we're in violent agreement. > What I was saying is that when I contacted editors this time six > months ago, the ones I spoke with didn't know it existed. I think > it's a superb tool, but it's hardly much use if we don't tell > anybody about it. My point was that we need to take more concrete > actions that are visible to everyone. It's great having a feature > list, and it's great having a marketing plan, but in what ways do > these documents encourage and help people from the community to > actively market releases? From my point of view, it seems like > there's very little support for community marketing > activities... (discounting the ambassadors project, who I think do a > great job and seem to receive plenty of support). I'm going to be in RDU later this week and will brainstorm with some of the Marketing people on whom I can get my hands there. (Why internal? In this case it may be necessary to get them to do a little more external participation.) In the context of making a new Fedora release: * What are the definite actions we can take to market Fedora and its features better? * Alerts to specific venues and aggregators? * Add stories and links to personal blogs? * Watch and reply to stories around release day? When should we do those things? In other words, a schedule and an SOP that is similar to the way some of the community technical groups like Infrastructure work. Jack Aboutboul is chairing Marketing meetings, correct? A few of these concrete actions we can still take very successfully for Fedora 10 release, like watching story developments around the Web. There are additional activities we can line up for Fedora 11 release, like pre-seeding information on proposed features to key sites. > > And that's why we've linked it prominently in all the press issued > > in RHM and on the Red Hat press blog for our other pre-releases > > (Alpha, Beta, Preview). > > I'm glad, and hopefully this will help it to become even more > widespread. (NB, it kind of erks me still that this kind of thing is > being put solely on Red Hat properties. Don't get me wrong, I > understand and appreciate the help that Red Hat provides, but in terms > of branding, I think it would be extremely valuable if Fedora had it's > own space for these things.) I didn't mean to imply in any way that marketing should solely be on Red Hat properties. I think the schedule of concrete tasks should include a variety of venues on which we can get our message out. That should include any Fedora properties like the Fedora magazine site, and also leverage the already existing draw of channels like Red Hat's press blog. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 15:14:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:14:01 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:17:53PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the > > calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release > > their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when > > reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done > > (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board > > to think about altering our "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a > > little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. > > I don't know that this is necessary. I think in the last two release > cycles (8 & 9) we made significant progress in tackling this, and > looking around comments etc from the time, people were starting to > recognise that Fedora was *the* distribution* for innovation. We just > need to be more proactive in our shouting about features, much earlier > in the release cycle (e.g. as soon as features start getting approved > by FESCo, become vaguely testable). > > Saying that, I don't think it would hurt to release at a seperate time > to Ubuntu, as we're never going to compete with an end-user orientated > distribution in various media outlets (even more technical ones give > far less precedence to development than they do businesss > deployments). Moving our releases earlier also increases stress for stabilizing the integration of new upstream packages that are also on time-based release schedules. In fact, I think it would have the opposite effect intended and hurt Fedora on the aspect of stability. We already have to overcome a (IMHO mistaken) perception that Fedora is too rapidly developed to be stable. Our slightly later release this time around was mostly beyond our control. But there are some good side effects that have fallen out of the later release, one of them being OpenOffice.org 3.0, which we're the first distribution to feature. I think that competing in release time with Ubuntu is probably not as productive as spending more time talking about our features earlier in the development cycle. I think we improved that work substantially during this release, and should continue to do so during the Fedora 11 cycle. Press moves in long waves, and we shouldn't expect to see as a result of these improvements Fedora suddenly springing to press prominence over Ubuntu. However, I've noticed a number of articles coming out during our pre-release cycles, some of them concerning Ubuntu's release, that point out the upcoming Fedora 10 as also having those features. That shows we're starting to have the effect we want. Now we need to redouble those efforts, to which I think Jon's also alluding. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Mon Nov 10 17:47:58 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:47:58 -0200 Subject: RES: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <004b01c9435c$7910b4c0$6b321e40$@com.br> Our experience in Brazil and South America is that our users like Screenshots, videos and Interviews. This way, articles like the Connection Sharing from Red Hat [1] receive a lot of attention. Everybody like brand new features, but a few would like to install a beta release, even run a live CD. We should focus on IMHO is these kind of articles, publish them a lot, so when a release comes out everybody knows all applications that'll be available. Massive news is very good and that's how we're increasing Fedora utilization here. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/ -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Paul W. Frields Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de novembro de 2008 13:14 Para: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:17:53PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the > > calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to > > release their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for > > new features when reviewers and press don't understand where the > > upstream work is being done (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora > > Marketing should ask the Fedora Board to think about altering our > > "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. > > I don't know that this is necessary. I think in the last two release > cycles (8 & 9) we made significant progress in tackling this, and > looking around comments etc from the time, people were starting to > recognise that Fedora was *the* distribution* for innovation. We just > need to be more proactive in our shouting about features, much earlier > in the release cycle (e.g. as soon as features start getting approved > by FESCo, become vaguely testable). > > Saying that, I don't think it would hurt to release at a seperate time > to Ubuntu, as we're never going to compete with an end-user orientated > distribution in various media outlets (even more technical ones give > far less precedence to development than they do businesss > deployments). Moving our releases earlier also increases stress for stabilizing the integration of new upstream packages that are also on time-based release schedules. In fact, I think it would have the opposite effect intended and hurt Fedora on the aspect of stability. We already have to overcome a (IMHO mistaken) perception that Fedora is too rapidly developed to be stable. Our slightly later release this time around was mostly beyond our control. But there are some good side effects that have fallen out of the later release, one of them being OpenOffice.org 3.0, which we're the first distribution to feature. I think that competing in release time with Ubuntu is probably not as productive as spending more time talking about our features earlier in the development cycle. I think we improved that work substantially during this release, and should continue to do so during the Fedora 11 cycle. Press moves in long waves, and we shouldn't expect to see as a result of these improvements Fedora suddenly springing to press prominence over Ubuntu. However, I've noticed a number of articles coming out during our pre-release cycles, some of them concerning Ubuntu's release, that point out the upcoming Fedora 10 as also having those features. That shows we're starting to have the effect we want. Now we need to redouble those efforts, to which I think Jon's also alluding. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From johannbg at hi.is Mon Nov 10 15:49:08 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:49:08 +0000 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491857F4.1010203@hi.is> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:17:53PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the >>> calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release >>> their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when >>> reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done >>> (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board >>> to think about altering our "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a >>> little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. >>> >> I don't know that this is necessary. I think in the last two release >> cycles (8 & 9) we made significant progress in tackling this, and >> looking around comments etc from the time, people were starting to >> recognise that Fedora was *the* distribution* for innovation. We just >> need to be more proactive in our shouting about features, much earlier >> in the release cycle (e.g. as soon as features start getting approved >> by FESCo, become vaguely testable). >> >> Saying that, I don't think it would hurt to release at a seperate time >> to Ubuntu, as we're never going to compete with an end-user orientated >> distribution in various media outlets (even more technical ones give >> far less precedence to development than they do businesss >> deployments). >> > > Moving our releases earlier also increases stress for stabilizing the > integration of new upstream packages that are also on time-based > release schedules. In fact, I think it would have the opposite effect > intended and hurt Fedora on the aspect of stability. We already have > to overcome a (IMHO mistaken) perception that Fedora is too rapidly > developed to be stable. > > I agree here moving our releases earlier than Ubuntu or any other GNU/Linux distro out there does not solve this issue. > Our slightly later release this time around was mostly beyond our > control. But there are some good side effects that have fallen out of > the later release, one of them being OpenOffice.org 3.0, which we're > the first distribution to feature. > > We also have little nuggets here and there that have not been getting any press covering like s-c-p. Highlighting them ( Side to side comparison to other OS clients like Windows and OS-X ) along with interview with the maintainer and *why* he chooses to use Fedora etc. should help there. > I think that competing in release time with Ubuntu is probably not as > productive as spending more time talking about our features earlier in > the development cycle. I think we improved that work substantially > during this release, and should continue to do so during the Fedora 11 > cycle. > > Press moves in long waves, and we shouldn't expect to see as a result > of these improvements Fedora suddenly springing to press prominence > over Ubuntu. However, I've noticed a number of articles coming out > during our pre-release cycles, some of them concerning Ubuntu's > release, that point out the upcoming Fedora 10 as also having those > features. That shows we're starting to have the effect we want. Now > we need to redouble those efforts, to which I think Jon's also > alluding. > I would rather want to see articles mention that it *comes from Fedora* where it applies instead of Fedora *also* has this feature.. Correcting user/articles is the way to go I think. Comment where we can where it originated along with sending correction to editors might help correcting this *issue*. I also think we need to follow through features being introduced in the release cycle.. Perhaps like after a feature has been accepted an interview with maintainer about what it does what he hopes to accomplish etc.. along with an status update in beta and the big review ( what he accomplish, what went wrong, whats happening in next release etc ) in final. JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 356 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 16:00:04 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49185A84.50602@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 03:21 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> Hey, does anybody know if we have a tagline for Fedora 10? For example, >> with Fedora 9, we had "Fedora 9. Make waves." This is for the front >> page of the website (so that we can get all strings ready to be >> translated). > > We've tried to make these little slogans into verb phrases, i.e. > persuade people to try Fedora out, do something cool with it. The theme > is not to glorify the Fedora distribution itself, but to assure people > they can accomplish their goals using Fedora, and give them the power to > do it. So I thought of: > > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) I like this one the best :) ~m From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 17:05:35 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:05:35 +0000 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <20081110145156.GD31382@localhost.localdomain> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> <20081110145156.GD31382@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0811100905g53e605eem5c7d8409d10e6c8d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/10 Paul W. Frields : > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:14:14PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> > The feature list definitely *has* improved uptake from journalists, I >> > can tell you from personal experience talking to them. >> >> I didn't say it hadn't. > > I didn't take it that way, either. :-) I think we're in violent > agreement. Awesome. > >> What I was saying is that when I contacted editors this time six >> months ago, the ones I spoke with didn't know it existed. I think >> it's a superb tool, but it's hardly much use if we don't tell >> anybody about it. My point was that we need to take more concrete >> actions that are visible to everyone. It's great having a feature >> list, and it's great having a marketing plan, but in what ways do >> these documents encourage and help people from the community to >> actively market releases? From my point of view, it seems like >> there's very little support for community marketing >> activities... (discounting the ambassadors project, who I think do a >> great job and seem to receive plenty of support). > > I'm going to be in RDU later this week and will brainstorm with some > of the Marketing people on whom I can get my hands there. (Why > internal? In this case it may be necessary to get them to do a little > more external participation.) > > In the context of making a new Fedora release: > > * What are the definite actions we can take to market Fedora and its > features better? > > * Alerts to specific venues and aggregators? Yes, I think Rahul even talked about automating this somehow, though I'm not sure. > > * Add stories and links to personal blogs? Not sure what you mean here? > > * Watch and reply to stories around release day? Definitely. Is good to try and catch misconceptions early. > > When should we do those things? In other words, a schedule and an SOP > that is similar to the way some of the community technical groups like > Infrastructure work. I proposed this around 4 months ago: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/BrainDump/Time_Based_Schedule It's a draft of a time based schedule for Marketing that makes suggestions for what activities we should be engaged in at different parts of a release cycle, also suggesting different areas of the project we'd like to highlight at different times, as Fedora isn't just about the distribution. (obv) I sent it to the list for discussion, as I know all of the suggested content and time frames aren't realistic/need fleshing out. Still waiting for feedback :p > I didn't mean to imply in any way that marketing should solely be on > Red Hat properties I know you didn't, what I was saying is that this is something we really need to work towards fixing. It's something I've tried to fix pushing for a Fedora Magazine project, but failed quite miserably at so far. > think the schedule of concrete tasks should > include a variety of venues on which we can get our message out. That > should include any Fedora properties like the Fedora magazine site, > and also leverage the already existing draw of channels like Red Hat's > press blog. +1 Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 10 18:12:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:42:46 +0530 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811100905g53e605eem5c7d8409d10e6c8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> <20081110145156.GD31382@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100905g53e605eem5c7d8409d10e6c8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4918799E.8040707@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/11/10 Paul W. Frields : >> * Alerts to specific venues and aggregators? > > Yes, I think Rahul even talked about automating this somehow, though > I'm not sure. Quite simple really. You have a form where you can fill * Title * News blurb Checkboxes for * News site foo * News site bar .... News site foo might just require sending a email to a particular address like say lwn AT lwn.net. News site bar might required a specialized API like osnews.com. Rahul From rtlm10 at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 03:29:57 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:29:57 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130811101929g3b8c657saffdba30589bbbf0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/10 Max Spevack : > If "features" and "first" are hurting because of where we are in the > calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release > their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when > reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done > (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board > to think about altering our "May Day" and "Halloween" release targets by a > little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. I don't know that I agree here. From a marketing perspective that would make since. The problem comes in where quality is concerned. Ubuntu 8.04 was criticized by many for releasing to early. I personally think they release a touch to close to the Gnome release dates. I think if we took that testing / integration buffer out its possible we could let some of the quality of our releases go as well. One interesting side effect I've noticed about the efforts to highlight the excellent work of our contributors is that it seems Canonical seems to be feeling the heat a little more over their lack of upstream contributions. I've noticed them mentioning more about how they're are / are going to contribute more to upstream projects. It can only be a good thing if they start giving back a bit more. More importantly is the fact that they seem to be acknowledging the shortfall. What is it they say about admitting you have a problem?... Russell From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 12:32:19 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:32:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130811101929g3b8c657saffdba30589bbbf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1ed4a0130811101929g3b8c657saffdba30589bbbf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Russell Harrison wrote: > I don't know that I agree here. It's all good -- I wasn't necessarily advocating that we *actually* make any changes to the release cycle. I was just throwing it out there as something for the list to consider. Quite a few people disagreed with it, and I think the reasons that you and the others outlined are perfectly valid, and I concur. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 14:13:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:13:10 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811100905g53e605eem5c7d8409d10e6c8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100037n726ba46tab3efcad68cbee3f@mail.gmail.com> <1226321573.23517.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100614s96e8c96gcffb5053cada132e@mail.gmail.com> <20081110145156.GD31382@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100905g53e605eem5c7d8409d10e6c8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081111141310.GJ3961@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 05:05:35PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/11/10 Paul W. Frields : > > * What are the definite actions we can take to market Fedora and its > > features better? > > > > * Alerts to specific venues and aggregators? > > Yes, I think Rahul even talked about automating this somehow, though > I'm not sure. > > > > * Add stories and links to personal blogs? > > Not sure what you mean here? Essentially, "creating buzz." This is something that other distributions are good at, by making sure the general blogosphere contains many hits on the stories they like. So coordinating and buttressing information by linking to them from our many members' existing web presence. Individuals all leveraging their social networking memberships similarly. > > * Watch and reply to stories around release day? > > Definitely. Is good to try and catch misconceptions early. > > > > When should we do those things? In other words, a schedule and an SOP > > that is similar to the way some of the community technical groups like > > Infrastructure work. > > I proposed this around 4 months ago: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/BrainDump/Time_Based_Schedule I think this should be a topic for discussion at the Marketing meeting. Jack, what do you think? At first glance this schedule looks quite good. I think the messaging for features needs to be prioritized a little more in the 3rd/4th months since by the time we get to 5th month we're already into Beta time frame and everyone else is starting to talk about our features in their distros. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 14:15:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:15:51 -0500 Subject: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <491857F4.1010203@hi.is> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> <491857F4.1010203@hi.is> Message-ID: <20081111141551.GK3961@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 03:49:08PM +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Press moves in long waves, and we shouldn't expect to see as a result >> of these improvements Fedora suddenly springing to press prominence >> over Ubuntu. However, I've noticed a number of articles coming out >> during our pre-release cycles, some of them concerning Ubuntu's >> release, that point out the upcoming Fedora 10 as also having those >> features. That shows we're starting to have the effect we want. Now >> we need to redouble those efforts, to which I think Jon's also >> alluding. >> > > I would rather want to see articles mention that it *comes from Fedora* > where it applies > instead of Fedora *also* has this feature.. This is part of a gradual shift. First the press talks about another Distro N alone as having Cool Feature X. Now they say that Distro N has Cool Feature X, "but so does Fedora." We're pushing them toward saying that Distro N has Cool Feature X "which was created in Fedora." -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 14:17:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:17:24 -0500 Subject: RES: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview In-Reply-To: <004b01c9435c$7910b4c0$6b321e40$@com.br> References: <491665C6.2080103@fedoraproject.org> <20081109192925.GC18023@localhost.localdomain> <1226263262.6239.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811100617x76f644efv43c505e4e559cbc9@mail.gmail.com> <20081110151401.GE31382@localhost.localdomain> <004b01c9435c$7910b4c0$6b321e40$@com.br> Message-ID: <20081111141724.GL3961@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 03:47:58PM -0200, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Our experience in Brazil and South America is that our users like > Screenshots, videos and Interviews. This way, articles like the Connection > Sharing from Red Hat [1] receive a lot of attention. Everybody like brand > new features, but a few would like to install a beta release, even run a > live CD. > > We should focus on IMHO is these kind of articles, publish them a lot, so > when a release comes out everybody knows all applications that'll be > available. Massive news is very good and that's how we're increasing Fedora > utilization here. It just takes people to write them, Rodrigo! JonRob set up the Fedora Magazine blog which could easily carry stories like these, yes? So if you can recruit people to write those stories, please do so. I don't think anyone disagrees that we should have them, but that needs to turn into action! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was just throwing it out there as > something for the list to consider. > > Quite a few people disagreed with it, and I think the reasons that you > and the others outlined are perfectly valid, and I concur. It's also important that we have those discussions openly so that we can show them to people who pop in from time to time to ask why we are or are not pursuing certain strategies. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But this is an start, as Fedora Brazil Magazine is growing (now we have more writers, reviewers, art-team), we can think in new ideas, now our new editions are not stuck in only 3 or 4 hands to create content. So, I believe we can/could create more stuff for the Project, even in english, I can translate/dub articles and videos... :P I'll start talking to Jon to have more ideas about what's important to create, recruit people is going easier day by day. Cheers, Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes Fedora Ambassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes http://rmenezes.com -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Paul W. Frields Enviada em: ter?a-feira, 11 de novembro de 2008 12:17 Para: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: RES: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 03:47:58PM -0200, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Our experience in Brazil and South America is that our users like > Screenshots, videos and Interviews. This way, articles like the > Connection Sharing from Red Hat [1] receive a lot of attention. > Everybody like brand new features, but a few would like to install a > beta release, even run a live CD. > > We should focus on IMHO is these kind of articles, publish them a lot, > so when a release comes out everybody knows all applications that'll > be available. Massive news is very good and that's how we're > increasing Fedora utilization here. It just takes people to write them, Rodrigo! JonRob set up the Fedora Magazine blog which could easily carry stories like these, yes? So if you can recruit people to write those stories, please do so. I don't think anyone disagrees that we should have them, but that needs to turn into action! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 11 16:22:05 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:22:05 -0500 Subject: zomg stickers!!11 Message-ID: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, Just wanted to let you know that I finally (sorry it took so long) put the order through for 5,000 sheets of Fedora stickers. The design is here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/stickers/final/fedora-stickers.png (the pink lines are to show where the printers will die-cut the stickers and won't show up in the sticker sheets themselves.) I will likely receive a physical proof this Friday, so I'll be sure to let you know how they come out and share some photos with you. thanks, ~m From gdk at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 16:33:51 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: zomg stickers!!11 In-Reply-To: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> References: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!! --g On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just wanted to let you know that I finally (sorry it took so long) put the > order through for 5,000 sheets of Fedora stickers. The design is here: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/stickers/final/fedora-stickers.png > > (the pink lines are to show where the printers will die-cut the stickers and > won't show up in the sticker sheets themselves.) > > I will likely receive a physical proof this Friday, so I'll be sure to let > you know how they come out and share some photos with you. > > thanks, > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 17:07:03 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:07:03 -0500 Subject: zomg stickers!!11 In-Reply-To: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> References: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > I will likely receive a physical proof this Friday, so I'll be sure to let > you know how they come out and share some photos with you. You're the best as always, Mo! :) From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 11 17:10:28 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:10:28 +0100 Subject: zomg stickers!!11 In-Reply-To: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> References: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/11/11 M?ir??n Duffy : > Hey folks, > > Just wanted to let you know that I finally (sorry it took so long) put the > order through for 5,000 sheets of Fedora stickers. The design is here: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/stickers/final/fedora-stickers.png A great and beatifull job! My thanks for this too. Regards Francesco Ugolini From fabhoneydew at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 17:11:38 2008 From: fabhoneydew at gmail.com (kishan goyal) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:41:38 +0530 Subject: zomg stickers!!11 In-Reply-To: References: <4919B12D.2070501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9f45b2730811110911x63ac82e0xc7548d907f6fb05@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations! the stickers look great! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM, M?ir??n Duffy > wrote: > > > I will likely receive a physical proof this Friday, so I'll be sure to > let > > you know how they come out and share some photos with you. > > You're the best as always, Mo! :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The theme >> is not to glorify the Fedora distribution itself, but to assure people >> they can accomplish their goals using Fedora, and give them the power to >> do it. So I thought of: >> >> "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) >> > > I like this one the best :) > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 11 20:35:28 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:35:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-11-10 08:06:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) Wow, thanks for the fast brainstorming - that sounds great: http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 03:47:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:47:51 -0500 Subject: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net] Message-ID: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> Hello Marketing team, We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good opportunity to practice some of the "open marketing" concepts. Are there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the questions here? To frame the answers I would suggest some of the following key points: * We don't "compete" with other Linux distributions; we advance free software in cooperation with upstream in a way that benefits everyone * Windows 7 is (presumably) aimed at an extremely large audience, much of which falls outside our target audience of free software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. Nevertheless, the stability and features in Fedora are loved by millions. * Features are found on the wiki Feature List. * We have lots of desktop features for ease of use that do not get in users' way and help people get things done quickly, securely, and with respect for users' freedom. OK, with that I open the floor! :-) Paul ----- Forwarded message from Matthew Hopson ----- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:49:39 +0000 From: Matthew Hopson To: press at fedoraproject.org Subject: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net Hi, I am on the news staff at Neowin.net, a technology site with a large community of over 800,000 members as well as our own Linux distro (Shift Linux). I am going to be writing a comparison editorial piece about Ubuntu 8.10 and the upcoming Fedora 10 and openSuse 11.1, to appear on the front page of Neowin.net. Basically I will be installing each of the distros, doing a quick review with things I like and dislike, and also a section on how each aims to compete with Windows 7. I was wondering if a member of the development team would be able to answer the following questions as I know our members would be extremely interested to hear of anything new about your Linux distro. Can you tell me what new features users could see in the next release, Fedora 11? Microsoft is currently aiming for a 2009 Holiday release for Windows 7 and it has been said their main rival now is Linux. Are there any concerns about how Fedora can compete with Windows 7 in the future and can you give any hints as to what features you hope to include to rival Windows? One of the reasons behind the popularity of Ubuntu, Fedora and openSuse is their improved ease-of-use, howeverLinux as a whole is still criticized for being too "techie/geeky". What else is being done to further improve the usability and ease-of-use of Fedora in the future? I look forward to hearing from you and thank-you, in advance, for taking the time. -- Matthew Hopson News Staff Neowin.net ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 12 04:09:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:39:15 +0530 Subject: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net] In-Reply-To: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491A56EB.30808@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Hello Marketing team, > > We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good > opportunity to practice some of the "open marketing" concepts. Are > there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the > questions here? > > To frame the answers I would suggest some of the following key points: > > * We don't "compete" with other Linux distributions; we advance free > software in cooperation with upstream in a way that benefits > everyone I am not sure that's the whole story. It is clear that we want to remain competitive among Linux distributions. We need to grow, get more contributors and users and sometimes there is healthy competition between Linux distributions (which benefits users). It might not be our key focus however. One could still make the argument that Fedora benefits other Linux distributions as well by being a major contributor to upstream projects and our general policy of contributing our improvements upstream and our competitive value lies in our objectives of moving Free software forward. > * Windows 7 is (presumably) aimed at an extremely large audience, much > of which falls outside our target audience of free software > enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. Nevertheless, the stability > and features in Fedora are loved by millions. One of the points is that we have been making it easy for users to migrate from Windows. Fedora liveusb-creator was first available for Windows users, Anaconda now supports partition resizing and there is a Seneca college effort to port Wubi (as suggested by me). > * Features are found on the wiki Feature List. > > * We have lots of desktop features for ease of use that do not get in > users' way and help people get things done quickly, securely, and > with respect for users' freedom. > > OK, with that I open the floor! :-) > > Paul --- Some quick answers below: --- > Can you tell me what new features users could see in the next release, > Fedora 11? It's a bit early for that. Fedora is developed within the community and anyone interested can propose a new feature and participate in the process. Since we are only beginning to wrap up Fedora 10, we will being reviewing Fedora 11 feature proposals starting in the next Fedora Engineering Steering Committee meeting https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg00677.html > Microsoft is currently aiming for a 2009 Holiday release for Windows 7 and > it has been said their main rival now is Linux. Are there any concerns about > how Fedora can compete with Windows 7 in the future and can you give any > hints as to what features you hope to include to rival Windows? Windows 7 appears to a incremental release to fix the many widely know flaws in Vista and the customer push back realized via more return rates for the OEM copies. Fedora has a time based release schedule with a new release every six months. With the pace of innovation driven in part by Fedora in free and open source software and rapid iterations from our release model, we hope to bring foss to a large audience. Our value is in the freedom and nature of development itself, rather than any particular feature. > One of the reasons behind the popularity of Ubuntu, Fedora and openSuse is > their improved ease-of-use, howeverLinux as a whole is still criticized for > being too "techie/geeky". What else is being done to further improve the > usability and ease-of-use of Fedora in the future? The Fedora desktop team has published a whiteboard with a large amount of ideas that they want to look at beyond the release of Fedora 10. A key focus area is improving usability and ease of use. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 12 12:07:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:07:59 +0200 Subject: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net] In-Reply-To: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491AC71F.7090607@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Hello Marketing team, > > We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good > opportunity to practice some of the "open marketing" concepts. Are > there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the > questions here? > [...] > OK, with that I open the floor! :-) They plan to compare the various Linux distros with the next version of Windows "Microsoft is currently aiming for a 2009 Holiday release for Windows 7" - Fedora will be at F12, by then F11 will be history. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 12 13:09:14 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:09:14 +0000 Subject: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net] In-Reply-To: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0811120509n29dc0458y3ed1266c76a261e4@mail.gmail.com> > Can you tell me what new features users could see in the next release, > Fedora 11? As Paul said, new features appear at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/FeatureList. Probably worth noting that features for F11 won't start appearing until post Fedora 10. Might also be worth noting, as was said on FAB earlier today, that F10 and F11 are planned to form the base of RHEL 6 and as a result will be getting a lot of attention, particularly for bug fixes. Of course, like always, this work will be done as much as possible with upstream so all will benefit! > Microsoft is currently aiming for a 2009 Holiday release for Windows 7 and > it has been said their main rival now is Linux. Are there any concerns about > how Fedora can compete with Windows 7 in the future and can you give any > hints as to what features you hope to include to rival Windows? Again, as Paul said, important to consider that Fedora and Microsoft have two very different audiences. Perhaps should be specific about some of the cool features that we have that appeal to desktop users, such as connection sharing in network manager(?). The other point I would raise is that the true killer feature of free software is freedom. People who use a distribution like Fedora that respects and pushes forward the development of free software are helping to guarantee that all people have access to important technologies, as well as guaranteeing their rights to privacy and control over their own property. > One of the reasons behind the popularity of Ubuntu, Fedora and openSuse is > their improved ease-of-use, howeverLinux as a whole is still criticized for > being too "techie/geeky". What else is being done to further improve the > usability and ease-of-use of Fedora in the future? Good question. I suppose we could make comments on the work that's going on upstream with Gnome 3.0, as well as the effort being made to integrate KDE 4 closely. But seriously, it seems this is one area that we're paying very little coordinated attention to. If I was really trying to spin it, I might say something like: "Fedora's extremely close relationship with upstream projects is setting an example for many other distributions, and we're glad to see that some, with more expertise in this area than others, are trying to follow our lead and deliver usability improvements through upstream vendors." Thanks Paul for giving this a try, and I hope you get some useful feedback. Jon From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 13:20:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:20:32 -0500 Subject: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net] In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811120509n29dc0458y3ed1266c76a261e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811120509n29dc0458y3ed1266c76a261e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081112132032.GC7035@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:09:14PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Can you tell me what new features users could see in the next release, > > Fedora 11? > > As Paul said, new features appear at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/FeatureList. > > Probably worth noting that features for F11 won't start appearing > until post Fedora 10. Might also be worth noting, as was said on FAB > earlier today, that F10 and F11 are planned to form the base of RHEL 6 > and as a result will be getting a lot of attention, particularly for > bug fixes. Of course, like always, this work will be done as much as > possible with upstream so all will benefit! I believe the Fedora 11 Feature List already has some content and FESCo is set to start discussing them this week. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 15:38:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:38:04 -0500 Subject: Neowin timeline In-Reply-To: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226504284.11145.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Hello Marketing team, > > We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good > opportunity to practice some of the "open marketing" concepts. Are > there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the > questions here? I thought it would be useful to have a subthread (or at least an interjectino) about the timeline. What I was thinking is that, since the deadline for the Neowin article isn't really clear but does suggest "a couple weeks," that we try for the following actions and dates: Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday 17 November Collaborative wiki document - deadline Friday 21 November Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday 23 November Stage 1 has already started. Does someone want to take control for stage 2? I'll take the stage 3 roundup unless someone else speaks up for it. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I was thinking is that, since > the deadline for the Neowin article isn't really clear but does suggest > "a couple weeks," that we try for the following actions and dates: > > Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday 17 November > Collaborative wiki document - deadline Friday 21 November > Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday 23 November > > Stage 1 has already started. > > Does someone want to take control for stage 2? I'll happily kick off something on the wiki sometime Monday/Tuesday Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 12 16:01:10 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History Message-ID: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> It turns out the original pages on the creation of the Fedora logo, once located at http://capstrat.com/development/fedora/index.php, are gone. I took some time to grab what I could from archive.org and reconstruct it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/History ~m From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:04:54 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:04:54 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:01 -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > It turns out the original pages on the creation of the Fedora logo, once > located at http://capstrat.com/development/fedora/index.php, are gone. > > I took some time to grab what I could from archive.org and reconstruct > it here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/History Good work Mo! I remember there being some controversy over the design when it first came out, but now when I look at it I can't imagine our using anything else. The thought that went into the logo really helped us shape the definition of the overall Fedora brand. Thanks for capturing this vital history lesson. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 12 16:09:45 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:09:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:01 -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> It turns out the original pages on the creation of the Fedora logo, once >> located at http://capstrat.com/development/fedora/index.php, are gone. >> >> I took some time to grab what I could from archive.org and reconstruct >> it here: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/History > > Good work Mo! I remember there being some controversy over the design > when it first came out, but now when I look at it I can't imagine our > using anything else. Wellllll.... the word mark not using an open font has always bothered me... :) Other than that I can agree. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 12 16:25:08 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:25:08 +0200 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491B0364.9090500@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Good work Mo! I remember there being some controversy over the design > when it first came out, but now when I look at it I can't imagine our > using anything else. The thought that went into the logo really helped > us shape the definition of the overall Fedora brand. I was one of the skeptics in its early days but since then changed my opinion and created a lot of graphics around it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:02:07 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:02:07 +0100 Subject: Deploying FEL for Centos/RHEL 5 users on EPEL Message-ID: <50baabb30811121302v6d553fe8n5a6d8094462f9703@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, This email is cross-posted on: - fedora electronic lab mailing list - fedora epel mailing list - centos devel mailing list - fedora marketing mailing list It describes briefly what FEL and EPEL (if case you don't know) are and my intentions for this deployment. FEL stands for Fedora Electronic Laboratory. The later is about packaging, maintaining and shipping electronic simulation packages for real hardware development. It was initially started with my passion for ASIC design, but now covers various design tools for: * Digital Simulation * VLSI Layout and Verification * RTL and logic synthesis design flows * Circuit Simulation * PCB Layout and Circuit Design * Micro Controller (?C) Programming and Embedded Systems Development http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Now we are about roughly 8 contributors. It is already more than 2 years since the early bits of FEL were introduced to Fedora repositories. Many other Fedora packagers and Fedora-Arm SIG have contributed a lot this success as well. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM Packaging is good, but is not enough. One of the main goals is to act as CAD/EDA engineers and bring open source hardware design tools to a meaningful usage and ensure interoperability within the design flows. We are thriving for interoperability, because without this, design tools are useless and even if its open source. Most of these packages have not yet been packaged for any other distributions. More specific details on the blog posts. http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/ Building a community and do marketing around FEL is also another of our priorities and a _hard_ task. Knowledge in electronics is advised and recommended :) I have received a lot of suggestions to deploy FEL on EPEL repositories so that Centos and RHEL users can use them on a longer basis. As many universities around the world have deployed enterprise-class Linux distributions such as Centos and RHEL, I believe users, lecturers and designers can largely benefit from the EPEL repositories. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL http://www.centos.org/ I have no idea whether Scientific Linux can take advantage of these intentions or not. If you do, let me know. In the past and even till now, I had very good experiences with Centos contributors. With some of the Centos contributors, we (fedora) even shared booths and devrooms in Belgium and Germany. If ever a Centos packager is already packaging any electronic simulation packages, please send us a mail in our brand new mailing list. We looking forward to hear from you. We'll be glad if we can work together. I'm focussing on EPEL 5. As I'm writing, only %1 of the work for building FEL packages for EPEL repositories has been done. Thus during the Fedora 11 development cycle, most of the work will be carried out and dependencies solve, at least mine. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/chitlesh Nevertheless, some new tools will find their way to FEL very soon, e.g: verilator. The packages that I or any FEL contributor will push to EPEL repositories will not be as cutting-edge as they will on supported Fedora repositories. In the upcoming months, which I'm waiting for which desperately, we will see more mixed-level simulation support on the FEL platform. Now, FEL 10 will be out soon at the end of this month as a LiveDVD and packages are yum-able from fedora's repositories. Your suggestions and critics are welcome. We are only a small group of contributors who are working on a very specific application, "hardware design tools" and making their upstream benefit from the open source eco system. FEL has a lot of success since its official F8 release, and we are keen to keep that going and extend our umbrella. thanks and kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From jaa at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 16:57:02 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:57:02 -0500 Subject: No Meeting Today 11/13? Message-ID: <491C5C5E.1040502@redhat.com> Hey All, I will not be around this afternoon due to a meeting of some open source groups taking place this afternoon from 1-4pm EST. Therefore, unless anyone objects, I would like to postpone this weeks meeting to next week. If anyone does object you can still run a meeting, I guess just agree upon a time and maybe mail the irc log to the list afterwards. Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 18:13:28 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:13:28 -0800 Subject: No Meeting Today 11/13? In-Reply-To: <491C5C5E.1040502@redhat.com> References: <491C5C5E.1040502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080811131013l31c28321g50cadf0ae40713fb@mail.gmail.com> Jack -- Is there anything pressing that needs to be discussed? I would have brought the topic of presentations to the digital table, but this is ongoing and easily can wait until next week. Larry Cafiero On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I will not be around this afternoon due to a meeting of some open source > groups taking place this afternoon from 1-4pm EST. Therefore, unless anyone > objects, I would like to postpone this weeks meeting to next week. If > anyone does object you can still run a meeting, I guess just agree upon a > time and maybe mail the irc log to the list afterwards. > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 19:20:03 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:20:03 -0500 Subject: No Meeting Today 11/13? In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080811131013l31c28321g50cadf0ae40713fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <491C5C5E.1040502@redhat.com> <7a0d56080811131013l31c28321g50cadf0ae40713fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not that I know of unless people want to discuss release-related activities. Jack On Nov 13, 2008, at 13:13, "Larry Cafiero" wrote: > Jack -- > > Is there anything pressing that needs to be discussed? I would have > brought the topic of presentations to the digital table, but this is > ongoing and easily can wait until next week. > > Larry Cafiero > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Jack Aboutboul > wrote: > Hey All, > > I will not be around this afternoon due to a meeting of some open > source groups taking place this afternoon from 1-4pm EST. > Therefore, unless anyone objects, I would like to postpone this > weeks meeting to next week. If anyone does object you can still run > a meeting, I guess just agree upon a time and maybe mail the irc log > to the list afterwards. > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 03:01:36 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:01:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> You know, I am not too sure about the reasoning to that decision. But that is something that should be up for discussion, there may or may not be legal repercussion for the use of a non-open typeface. (and I am no legal expert, so I am not sure to what those repercussion might be.) But again, that is something that should be brought up at the art-list... but I am not sure if there should be a directive to have the typeface changed, but looking at if there is an issue would be a good thing. Keep fedora out of trouble. On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:09 -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Wellllll.... the word mark not using an open font has always bothered me... > :) From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 04:45:21 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:45:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Duvelle Jones wrote: > You know, I am not too sure about the reasoning to that decision. But > that is something that should be up for discussion, there may or may not > be legal repercussion for the use of a non-open typeface. (and I am no > legal expert, so I am not sure to what those repercussion might be.) Red Hat has paid for the use of the font in the logo, and can distribute copies of the logo royalty-free. The only reason that someone might need a copy of the font is to modify the logo, and per the trademark guidelines, that should never occur, therefore there is no legal ramification to distributing the logo as is. From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 05:02:29 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:02:29 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226638949.15056.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you, I wasn't clarified of that. On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 23:45 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > Red Hat has paid for the use of the font in the logo, and can > distribute copies of the logo royalty-free. The only reason that > someone might need a copy of the font is to modify the logo, and per > the trademark guidelines, that should never occur, therefore there is > no legal ramification to distributing the logo as is. > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Nov 14 07:16:12 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:16:12 +0200 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491D25BC.7060903@nicubunu.ro> Jon Stanley wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Duvelle Jones wrote: >> You know, I am not too sure about the reasoning to that decision. But >> that is something that should be up for discussion, there may or may not >> be legal repercussion for the use of a non-open typeface. (and I am no >> legal expert, so I am not sure to what those repercussion might be.) > > Red Hat has paid for the use of the font in the logo, and can > distribute copies of the logo royalty-free. The only reason that > someone might need a copy of the font is to modify the logo, and per > the trademark guidelines, that should never occur, therefore there is > no legal ramification to distributing the logo as is. And for various titles and additional graphics, we selected a free font, MgOpen Modata, which is "officially", _the_ complementary font: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font As for logo modification, the initial proposal provided this as a possibility, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Logo-history-variations.jpg but that was scraped. Here is what we got from mixing the wordmark (in Bryant 2 font) and additional MgOpen Modata glyphs (it is a recent development): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 09:33:39 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:33:39 +0000 Subject: Release Planning Meeting Message-ID: <507738ef0811140133y3e8e886l219c0f388d1bc151@mail.gmail.com> While I'm not sure there's anything we need to discuss, I'll be unable to attend the next release planning meeting and would like to see if anyone thinks a) it's necessary for someone from marketing to be there b) if so, would someone go in my place? The meeting is on Weds 19th Nov at 1800 UTC. If you're interested in going in my place, we'll have to arrange for you to be added to the list of attendees as it's a voip meeting. Cheers, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 13:19:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:19:51 -0500 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491D7AF7.3000707@fedoraproject.org> Duvelle Jones wrote: > You know, I am not too sure about the reasoning to that decision. But > that is something that should be up for discussion, there may or may not > be legal repercussion for the use of a non-open typeface. (and I am no > legal expert, so I am not sure to what those repercussion might be.) There isn't. Fonts as a piece of software can have IP attached to them; letterforms are not copyrightable AFAIK. So I do not believe there is legal risk here. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 13:24:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:24:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 03:35:28PM -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-11-10 08:06:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) > Wow, thanks for the fast brainstorming - that sounds great: > http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ Hi Ricky, As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this text: "Fedora 10. Fire it up." The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Nov 14 14:08:26 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:08:26 +0200 Subject: Fedora Logo History In-Reply-To: <491D7AF7.3000707@fedoraproject.org> References: <491AFDC6.9080105@fedoraproject.org> <1226505894.11145.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491AFFC9.20700@fedoraproject.org> <1226631696.15056.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <491D7AF7.3000707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <491D865A.6050605@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Duvelle Jones wrote: >> You know, I am not too sure about the reasoning to that decision. But >> that is something that should be up for discussion, there may or may not >> be legal repercussion for the use of a non-open typeface. (and I am no >> legal expert, so I am not sure to what those repercussion might be.) > > There isn't. Fonts as a piece of software can have IP attached to them; > letterforms are not copyrightable AFAIK. So I do not believe there is > legal risk here. IANAL, but I saw this source used as a reference when talking about this issue: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 15:38:43 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:08:43 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <78323d480811140738u2743f153h32b423977691dbb7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > "Fedora 10. Fire it up." seems too simple. Other Possibilities: "Fedora 10. Feel the Stability at Rocket-Speed" "The Science of Fedora 10." "Get the Fedora 10 Habit." "Yo Quiero Fedora 10" "It's a New Fedora 10 Every Day " Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 17:18:08 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:18:08 -0600 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <78323d480811140738u2743f153h32b423977691dbb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <78323d480811140738u2743f153h32b423977691dbb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491DB2D0.9030305@gmail.com> Mani A wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> "Fedora 10. Fire it up." >> > > seems too simple. > > Other Possibilities: > > "Fedora 10. Feel the Stability at Rocket-Speed" > > "The Science of Fedora 10." > > "Get the Fedora 10 Habit." > > "Yo Quiero Fedora 10" > > "It's a New Fedora 10 Every Day " > > > Best > > A. Mani > Simple is sometimes better, also easier to remember. Best ideas are to pack as much punch as you can in as small of package as you can. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smooge at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 17:25:09 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:25:09 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <80d7e4090811140925yea90bb2i2b89a323564ea3f9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 03:35:28PM -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: >> On 2008-11-10 08:06:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) >> Wow, thanks for the fast brainstorming - that sounds great: >> http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ > > Hi Ricky, > > As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this > text: > > "Fedora 10. Fire it up." > > The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. The counter message that came to my brain was Fedora 10. Nothing serene about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sun Now if we could only get Summer Glau to do an introduction video for it.. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From subaruboi at hotmallo.com Fri Nov 14 17:51:34 2008 From: subaruboi at hotmallo.com (subaruboi at hotmallo.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:51:34 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090811140925yea90bb2i2b89a323564ea3f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <80d7e4090811140925yea90bb2i2b89a323564ea3f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081114095134.jiidxey0gis8owgs@hotmallo.com> I have to agree.. "Fedora 10. Fire it up." does sound more "powerfull" Quoting Stephen John Smoogen : > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 03:35:28PM -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: >>> On 2008-11-10 08:06:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> > "Fedora 10 - Fire it up." (The metaphor is fire, power, energy.) >>> Wow, thanks for the fast brainstorming - that sounds great: >>> http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ >> >> Hi Ricky, >> >> As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this >> text: >> >> "Fedora 10. Fire it up." >> >> The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. > > The counter message that came to my brain was > > Fedora 10. Nothing serene about it. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sun > > Now if we could only get Summer Glau to do an introduction video for it.. > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 19:40:18 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:40:18 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-11-14 08:24:05 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this > text: > > "Fedora 10. Fire it up." > > The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. We actually discussed this last websites meeting and decided to leave the period off. Unfortunately, we're string frozen for translation at this point. We can discuss this more and I can try to manually modify some PO files, but no guarantees at this point :-/ Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From giallu at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 21:28:32 2008 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:28:32 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: 2008/11/14 Ricky Zhou : > On 2008-11-14 08:24:05 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this >> text: >> >> "Fedora 10. Fire it up." >> >> The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. > We actually discussed this last websites meeting and decided to leave > the period off. Unfortunately, we're string frozen for translation at > this point. I'm already worried by how that will translate in italian... -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 21:52:26 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:52:26 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <7a0d56080811141352q2aa8301dp5e3bc92820ac02ea@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > I'm already worried by how that will translate in italian... I happen to like "Fedora 10. Fire it up." Or something short and crisp like it. But Gianluca brings up a good point. Special care would have to be taken to translate "fire it up" correctly -- in this case meaning to start up (which is how I read it), rather than to set on fire. So defining "fire it up" for the benefit of those translating it into other languages -- as not to translate the phrase to come out "Fedora 10: Set it on fire" in another language -- might be a good idea. Don't laugh: The advertising industry is full of ad campaigns that failed miserably because of inadequate translations from English into the language(s) where the campaign was targeted. Of course, here in Santa Cruz, California, "fire it up" has a meaning that eclipses merely "starting up" -- namely, "firing it up" here refers to lighting a marijuana cigarette or a bowl of marijuana in a pipe. While I am not advocating marijuana use and certainly I do not partake of it myself, I can live with the snickers in the neighborhood -- okay, the snickers around California -- around the reference. With Solar (which is very cool) and the fire theme so far -- and I'm not a Doors fan by any stretch of the imagination -- but would something like "Fedora 10: Light your fire" work? I'd be willing to bet "Light My Fire" has been translated into all human languages by now and we'd miss the "fire it up" translation hurdle. Not a proposal here, just a thought. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ilyes.gouta at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 22:45:16 2008 From: ilyes.gouta at gmail.com (Ilyes Gouta) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:45:16 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <491DFF7C.3050807@gmail.com> Hi, What about: Fedora 10, Rock on. Sounds cool, doesn't it? Regards, Ilyes Gouta. Gianluca Sforna wrote: > 2008/11/14 Ricky Zhou : >> On 2008-11-14 08:24:05 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this >>> text: >>> >>> "Fedora 10. Fire it up." >>> >>> The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. >> We actually discussed this last websites meeting and decided to leave >> the period off. Unfortunately, we're string frozen for translation at >> this point. > > I'm already worried by how that will translate in italian... > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 22:52:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:22:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <491DFF7C.3050807@gmail.com> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <491DFF7C.3050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <491E011F.3040509@fedoraproject.org> Ilyes Gouta wrote: > > Hi, > > What about: Fedora 10, Rock on. > > Sounds cool, doesn't it? Just a note. The time for suggestions is over. The tag line was already picked and has been translated. What you can do is suggest this for Fedora 11 or another release when the discussion comes up. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 14 23:58:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:28:54 +0530 Subject: Short reviews of Fedora 10 preview Message-ID: <491E10BE.5050803@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/geek-chicks-peek-at-fedora-10-preview.html "There are still a lot of new features that I have to see for myself. This is just to give everyone an idea of what's with the upcoming Fedora 10. And, I can say that this is a Linux distro worth waiting for. Being a Fedora user, I am pretty excited on what it can do and what I can do with it for the coming days/months or even years." http://distroworld.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/fedora-10-preview-release-is-robust-and-pretty/ "Overall, Fedora 10 Preview Release indicates the final release will be strong and robust with a good mix of visual appeal and a solid playground for us tinkerers." Rahul From jayme at jaymeayres.com Sat Nov 15 00:29:25 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:29:25 -0200 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <64b33fc70811141629h1e1f8e77ndb734f31744fe4ce@mail.gmail.com> We here in Brazil are trying to translate the tag "fire it up" because this phrase has another meaning for our language and not sound very nice. There is a thread for discussion on the Brazilian list to find a better translation. We are thinking of a particular word in Brazil that has a relationship with the term in English. Regards. Jayme Ayres 2008/11/14 Gianluca Sforna > > 2008/11/14 Ricky Zhou : > > On 2008-11-14 08:24:05 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> As we did last time, could you make this more declarative? Try this > >> text: > >> > >> "Fedora 10. Fire it up." > >> > >> The full-stops make it more powerful, like the last time, I think. > > We actually discussed this last websites meeting and decided to leave > > the period off. Unfortunately, we're string frozen for translation at > > this point. > > I'm already worried by how that will translate in italian... > > > -- > Gianluca Sforna > > http://morefedora.blogspot.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 01:02:41 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:02:41 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <491E011F.3040509@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <491DFF7C.3050807@gmail.com> <491E011F.3040509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7a0d56080811141702u2249709ej887c62a8e283d8d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Just a note. The time for suggestions is over. The tag line was already > picked and has been translated. What you can do is suggest this for Fedora > 11 or another release when the discussion comes up. Hey, Rahul -- Not making suggestions, just pointing out some hurdles that I hope marketing is ready to successfully overcome. Meanwhile, it looks like we've got the stoner Linux user market nailed on the Central California Coast. :-) Fire it up. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:58:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:58:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Tagline In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080811141702u2249709ej887c62a8e283d8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081110082105.GG22391@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <1226322407.23517.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081111203439.GB9638@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081114132405.GA5659@localhost.localdomain> <20081114194018.GC26053@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <491DFF7C.3050807@gmail.com> <491E011F.3040509@fedoraproject.org> <7a0d56080811141702u2249709ej887c62a8e283d8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081115035804.GA21650@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 05:02:41PM -0800, Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > > > > Just a note. The time for suggestions is over. The tag line was already > > picked and has been translated. What you can do is suggest this for Fedora > > 11 or another release when the discussion comes up. > > > Hey, Rahul -- > > Not making suggestions, just pointing out some hurdles that I hope marketing > is ready to successfully overcome. > > Meanwhile, it looks like we've got the stoner Linux user market nailed on > the Central California Coast. :-) > > Fire it up. Heh, this was not on my mind when I thought of the wording, but whatever floats people's boats.... Your point about translation is excellent. For non-English speakers, the meaning of "Fire it up" as intended is similar to "start the engines," and in this case the engine is a nuclear furnace of software freedom! :-) So something that captures that aspect is probably the right way to go for translation. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Nov 15 14:53:32 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:53:32 -0500 Subject: talking points for F10 In-Reply-To: <1223322182.3452.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222976393.3452.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48E528B3.9090106@webpath.net> <1223032161.18574.0.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> <1223322182.3452.437.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <491EE26C.1030109@webpath.net> Did we ever get the talking points hammered out? Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >>>> What should we have in that talking point list, with what language >>>> around it? >>>> From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Nov 15 21:52:19 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:52:19 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love Message-ID: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Card-OLPC-XO-Laptop/dp/B001L7EGA6/ is the new home of Fedora 10 on SD card for the OLPC Laptop. The product won't show as available until Monday, so we still have a little time to spiff it up if needed (have an opinion to share? I'd love to hear it). We also have the opportunity to show some love by adding user created content to the listing. Specifically; Customer Images, Tags, Ratings, Reviews, Customer discussions and Amapedia (?) articles. So if you have an Amazon.com account and have something you want to add, it would help the listing look less like a ghost town. Thanks, Karlie From rtlm10 at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 22:28:31 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:28:31 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love In-Reply-To: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> References: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130811151428k45d92366r2fd7b8749e3387bf@mail.gmail.com> Well I need to buy a bigger SD card for testing this anyway. Assuming the revenue from these sales makes its way back to the OLPC and / or Fedora I'd be happy to make the first purchase. Any of us that do purchase from here should help it popularity. Has the price been determined yet? It isn't showing in the Amazon page. Russell On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Karlie Robinson wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Card-OLPC-XO-Laptop/dp/B001L7EGA6/ is the new > home of Fedora 10 on SD card for the OLPC Laptop. > The product won't show as available until Monday, so we still have a little > time to spiff it up if needed (have an opinion to share? I'd love to hear > it). > > We also have the opportunity to show some love by adding user created > content to the listing. Specifically; Customer Images, Tags, Ratings, > Reviews, Customer discussions and Amapedia (?) articles. > > So if you have an Amazon.com account and have something you want to add, it > would help the listing look less like a ghost town. > Thanks, > Karlie > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Nov 15 23:19:40 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:19:40 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130811151428k45d92366r2fd7b8749e3387bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> <1ed4a0130811151428k45d92366r2fd7b8749e3387bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491F590C.1000502@webpath.net> Actually, Both OLPC and Fedora opted out of any earnings so the prices have been set based on cost recovery, but the F10 card does help boost sales of the XO during Give One Get One because Fedora adds flexibility to the hardware. So think of boosting 'profit' for OLPC and Fedora in terms of reach. Each XO user is a potential Fedora user and each Fedora user is a potential XO user. Not to mention new folks on both sides of that equation knowing that they'll get an OS their kids will love (Sugar) and one where the layout and function is more familiar (Fedora). The price of the cards at On-Disk.com is $32.02 and $40 at Amazon to account for their commission of 15% and $1.35 per card plus their monthly membership fee. If you want a blank card I can extend the 'testing' price to make sure you get one at cost ($30US) We'll have them in inventory on the 19th as we prepare for duplication once F10 is released. Email off list if you have questions on prices. ~Karlie Russell Harrison wrote: > Well I need to buy a bigger SD card for testing this anyway. Assuming > the revenue from these sales makes its way back to the OLPC and / or > Fedora I'd be happy to make the first purchase. Any of us that do > purchase from here should help it popularity. Has the price been > determined yet? It isn't showing in the Amazon page. > > Russell > From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 01:22:48 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:22:48 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love In-Reply-To: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> References: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Karlie Robinson wrote: > The product won't show as available until Monday, so we still have a little > time to spiff it up if needed (have an opinion to share? I'd love to hear > it). I noticed that in the bullet list, persistant is misspelled (should be persistent). I'm spinning a new LiveCD right now with the latest fixes since preview so that I can provide some pictures that are very close to what F10 will look like on it (rawhide even says F10 right now!). I'll probably feature it next to my rawhide testing machine (an HP Pavilion "normal" laptop, 15.4", which will showcase the size of the XO). From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sun Nov 16 14:43:18 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: Amazon.com needs some Fedora Love In-Reply-To: References: <491F4493.2010802@webpath.net> Message-ID: <49203186.5010506@webpath.net> Jon Stanley wrote: > I noticed that in the bullet list, persistant is misspelled (should be > persistent). Thanks - I was able to change it last night. I really appreciate the extra eyes on this. I've spent so much time looking at it that it's hard to see what's really there. > I'm spinning a new LiveCD right now with the latest > fixes since preview so that I can provide some pictures that are very > close to what F10 will look like on it (rawhide even says F10 right > now!). > > I'll probably feature it next to my rawhide testing machine (an HP > Pavilion "normal" laptop, 15.4", which will showcase the size of the > XO). > > That would be wonderful. We have plans to add more images, but I think "customer images" will give a much better impression. I'm sure there will be XO users hearing about Fedora for the very first time. Customer action shots will have an effect by showing that while Fedora on the XO is new, Fedora itself has a history. Obviously we can't say for sure what goes through every person's mind, but your 'action shots' could help someone decide on Fedora. We're also hoping for some good exposure at Amazon and OLPC is going strong with promotions - in fact I heard that Tom Brady (Popular NFL Quarter Back for the New England Patriots before his injury) had filmed a promo for Give One Get One. Now think of it this way - last year G1G1 had 16k Laptops ordered on the first day and the expectation is to double this year. If the SD card is listed along side, what could that do for promoting Fedora as a whole? ~Karlie From cody.feilding.nz at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 06:20:19 2008 From: cody.feilding.nz at gmail.com (Cody C) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:20:19 +1300 Subject: Cody Cooper Message-ID: <2DC21B2693EC40F795539E47B71F58C0@CODY> a.. Cody Cooper b.. Feilding, New Zealand c.. Currently at school d.. Feilding Intermediate School e.. To promote Fedora f.. What do you want to talk about? Promoting Fedora g.. What would you like to see in Fedora? Faster load times h.. What other skills do you have that might be applicable? i.. 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Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:12:51 -0500 Subject: Neowin timeline In-Reply-To: <507738ef0811120753n28d1324atb72f321a608f81f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081112034751.GM8501@localhost.localdomain> <1226504284.11145.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0811120753n28d1324atb72f321a608f81f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226927571.14533.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 15:53 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/11/12 Paul W. Frields : > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> Hello Marketing team, > >> > >> We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good > >> opportunity to practice some of the "open marketing" concepts. Are > >> there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the > >> questions here? > > > > I thought it would be useful to have a subthread (or at least an > > interjectino) about the timeline. What I was thinking is that, since > > the deadline for the Neowin article isn't really clear but does suggest > > "a couple weeks," that we try for the following actions and dates: > > > > Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday 17 November > > Collaborative wiki document - deadline Friday 21 November > > Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday 23 November > > > > Stage 1 has already started. > > > > Does someone want to take control for stage 2? > > I'll happily kick off something on the wiki sometime Monday/Tuesday Just a tickle to keep this thread bubbled up. Looks like we're at the point to start the wiki document in question. Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields > : > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. > Frields wrote: > > >> Hello Marketing team, > > >> > > >> We received the following inquiry, and I > thought this was a good > > >> opportunity to practice some of the > "open marketing" concepts. Are > > >> there any folks on the list who would like to > formulate answers to the > > >> questions here? > > > > > > I thought it would be useful to have a subthread > (or at least an > > > interjectino) about the timeline. What I was > thinking is that, since > > > the deadline for the Neowin article isn't > really clear but does suggest > > > "a couple weeks," that we try for the > following actions and dates: > > > > > > Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday 17 > November > > > Collaborative wiki document - deadline Friday 21 > November > > > Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday 23 > November > > > > > > Stage 1 has already started. > > > > > > Does someone want to take control for stage 2? > > > > I'll happily kick off something on the wiki > sometime Monday/Tuesday > > Just a tickle to keep this thread bubbled up. Looks like > we're at the > point to start the wiki document in question. > > Paul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From lajjr at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 15:13:39 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:13:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: lajjr introduction In-Reply-To: <607694.82554.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448682.13118.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> My name is Leo Albert Jackson Jr (aka lajjr) I live in Scranton Pa EST I am Owner of a software firm, and write code, and third party animator. LJs Electronics and Software my company. I want to be part of the fedora project and spread it every where I roam. Get everyone in my area and around the world contributing to the project. I like to talk about everything software or art, and changes to groups and contributing basically anything. I want to be part of everything fedora. Thank You, Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Leo Jackson wrote: > From: Leo Jackson > Subject: Re: Neowin timeline > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:40 AM > Paul, > > I would like to take control of stage 2 if allowed > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Paul W. Frields > wrote: > > > From: Paul W. Frields > > Subject: Re: Neowin timeline > > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:12 AM > > On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 15:53 +0000, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > > 2008/11/12 Paul W. Frields > > : > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. > > Frields wrote: > > > >> Hello Marketing team, > > > >> > > > >> We received the following inquiry, and I > > thought this was a good > > > >> opportunity to practice some of the > > "open marketing" concepts. Are > > > >> there any folks on the list who would > like to > > formulate answers to the > > > >> questions here? > > > > > > > > I thought it would be useful to have a > subthread > > (or at least an > > > > interjectino) about the timeline. What I > was > > thinking is that, since > > > > the deadline for the Neowin article > isn't > > really clear but does suggest > > > > "a couple weeks," that we try for > the > > following actions and dates: > > > > > > > > Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday > 17 > > November > > > > Collaborative wiki document - deadline > Friday 21 > > November > > > > Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday > 23 > > November > > > > > > > > Stage 1 has already started. > > > > > > > > Does someone want to take control for stage > 2? > > > > > > I'll happily kick off something on the wiki > > sometime Monday/Tuesday > > > > Just a tickle to keep this thread bubbled up. Looks > like > > we're at the > > point to start the wiki document in question. > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 15:19:42 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:04:42 +0545 Subject: lajjr introduction In-Reply-To: <448682.13118.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <607694.82554.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <448682.13118.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 17/11/2008, Leo Jackson wrote: > > My name is Leo Albert Jackson Jr (aka lajjr) > > I live in Scranton Pa EST > > I am Owner of a software firm, and write code, and third party animator. > LJs Electronics and Software my company. > I want to be part of the fedora project and spread it every where I roam. Good work. Get everyone in my area and around the world contributing to the project. > I like to talk about everything software or art, and changes to groups and > contributing basically anything. I want to be part of everything fedora. When u are an ambassador you are part of a greater fedora. Do what you can do best. Thank You, > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Leo Jackson wrote: > > > From: Leo Jackson > > Subject: Re: Neowin timeline > > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:40 AM > > Paul, > > > > I would like to take control of stage 2 if allowed > > > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > > Owner Head Programmer > > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Paul W. Frields > > wrote: > > > > > From: Paul W. Frields > > > Subject: Re: Neowin timeline > > > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:12 AM > > > On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 15:53 +0000, Jonathan Roberts > > wrote: > > > > 2008/11/12 Paul W. Frields > > > : > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. > > > Frields wrote: > > > > >> Hello Marketing team, > > > > >> > > > > >> We received the following inquiry, and I > > > thought this was a good > > > > >> opportunity to practice some of the > > > "open marketing" concepts. Are > > > > >> there any folks on the list who would > > like to > > > formulate answers to the > > > > >> questions here? > > > > > > > > > > I thought it would be useful to have a > > subthread > > > (or at least an > > > > > interjectino) about the timeline. What I > > was > > > thinking is that, since > > > > > the deadline for the Neowin article > > isn't > > > really clear but does suggest > > > > > "a couple weeks," that we try for > > the > > > following actions and dates: > > > > > > > > > > Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday > > 17 > > > November > > > > > Collaborative wiki document - deadline > > Friday 21 > > > November > > > > > Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday > > 23 > > > November > > > > > > > > > > Stage 1 has already started. > > > > > > > > > > Does someone want to take control for stage > > 2? > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick off something on the wiki > > > sometime Monday/Tuesday > > > > > > Just a tickle to keep this thread bubbled up. Looks > > like > > > we're at the > > > point to start the wiki document in question. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 15:26:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:38 +0000 Subject: Neowin timeline In-Reply-To: <607694.82554.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <607694.82554.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1226935598.4485.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 06:40 -0800, Leo Jackson wrote: > Paul, > > I would like to take control of stage 2 if allowed Hello Leo, Jonathan Roberts has already agreed to take care of stage 2 of this request, but thank you very much for your kind offer. It is probably good for an experienced Fedora ambassador to take care of this particular request since it is a press inquiry. Thanks again! Also, in the future if you start a new topic, such as an introduction, you should write a brand-new email as opposed to a reply. That way your message will be seen by people who aren't interested in the existing topic, but do want to see new topics. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:41:22 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:41:22 -0600 Subject: the 4f In-Reply-To: <49215F72.1040803@gmx.de> References: <49215F72.1040803@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20081117224122.GA10444@gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:11:30PM +0100, wonderer wrote: > I was was asking myself why there are no Logo and Banner changes made > with the new 4 Foundations? Are these planned for launching with F10? > It's too late now to do it for F10. I think we ought to replace infinity/freedom/voice with the four foundations by or on F11's release. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 01:22:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:22:31 -0500 Subject: the 4f In-Reply-To: <20081117224122.GA10444@gmail.com> References: <49215F72.1040803@gmx.de> <20081117224122.GA10444@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226971351.14851.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:41 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:11:30PM +0100, wonderer wrote: > > I was was asking myself why there are no Logo and Banner changes made > > with the new 4 Foundations? Are these planned for launching with F10? > > > It's too late now to do it for F10. I think we ought to replace > infinity/freedom/voice with the four foundations by or on F11's release. This is probably something we'll start immediately post-F10. That's a much better plan than waiting until everyone's too busy around release time, and really we want these messages to start getting out by the time Old Man 2008 wanders off into the sunset. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Nov 18 06:57:18 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:57:18 +0100 Subject: the 4f In-Reply-To: <20081117224122.GA10444@gmail.com> References: <49215F72.1040803@gmx.de> <20081117224122.GA10444@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4922674E.7070603@gmx.de> >> I was was asking myself why there are no Logo and Banner changes made >> with the new 4 Foundations? Are these planned for launching with F10? >> >> > It's too late now to do it for F10. I think we ought to replace > infinity/freedom/voice with the four foundations by or on F11's release Hmm, maybe its too late for print, but maybe online there could someone change the Banners and Texts very soon just in time. I think thats a matter of several minutes to change the Graphics and change it online. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that since July (see also http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00142.html ) it is known that there was a "change" from 3 to 4 Foundations... Maybe there could by a change "step by step". best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From luizaugustomdasilva at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 20:51:53 2008 From: luizaugustomdasilva at gmail.com (Luiz Augusto Machado da Silva) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:51:53 -0300 Subject: Event Planning Brazil-TO Message-ID: <415d5c5a0811181251t304183c9hc8251f4ed64b1be@mail.gmail.com> People, I work as an instructor in SENAC Network Linux, and I am working with the implementation of some solutions for free here. * National System of Learning Program (SENAC) has committed to the development of individuals and organizations to the world of work, promoting educational activities and dissemination of knowledge. Every year is an event held between May / March called "Week of Work", this event is a series of workshops in the areas concerned by SENAC and if it includes the IT. The idea that I suggested, very well accepted, was to create spins (nothing official) for several specific areas, for example, for an office, one for home users, to support, for the development, for those working with infrastructure and so on. And using these spins hold such workshops, one for each spin, and all this with Fedora. I am here looking for suggestions and even help finding a material needed to mount such workshops, and in addition will also set a theme for conducting a lecture, and would be great if it was something related to Fedora. I count on the help of you to concentrate a bank of ideas to achieve that with this event and increase the number of users of Fedora. -- -- Regards Luiz Augusto Machado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 02:19:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:19:26 -0500 Subject: Final release planning meeting In-Reply-To: <1227056656.5261.0.camel@Q> References: <20081119003936.GS16296@calliope.phig.org> <20081119004427.GT16296@calliope.phig.org> <1227056656.5261.0.camel@Q> Message-ID: <1227061166.26714.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 20:04 -0500, Adam D. Ligas wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 16:44 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > * Need to find someone in Docs to help Nigel work the whimsical > > release announcement > > - Talking points are ready > > Do we have the talking points? Same as the preview release? More or less -- you can find the current talking points here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_for_F10 -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 06:25:27 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:55:27 +0530 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. Message-ID: Anyone knows where they are hosted? Cannot find out in the wiki. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 19 06:29:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:59:29 +0530 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Anyone knows where they are hosted? > Cannot find out in the wiki. > Thanks. Doesn't exist yet. Will show up eventually in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt Follow fedora-art list for progress. Rahul From danishka at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 06:39:25 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:09:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4923B49D.5040107@gmail.com> Hi Susmit, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Anyone knows where they are hosted? > Cannot find out in the wiki. > Thanks. > > try this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_CD.2FDVD_Label Danishka From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 19 06:48:50 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:48:50 +0200 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> References: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> Anyone knows where they are hosted? >> Cannot find out in the wiki. >> Thanks. > > Doesn't exist yet. Will show up eventually in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt We had a work-in-progress for this, I honestly don't know why it isn't on the wiki: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00149.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 19 06:54:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:24:35 +0530 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> References: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4923B82B.2030007@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >>> Anyone knows where they are hosted? >>> Cannot find out in the wiki. >>> Thanks. >> >> Doesn't exist yet. Will show up eventually in >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt > > We had a work-in-progress for this, I honestly don't know why it isn't > on the wiki: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00149.html I think perhaps someone (ideally, team lead) should have explicitly approved it if that's the version that's accepted as final. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 19 07:17:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:17:13 +0200 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: <4923B82B.2030007@fedoraproject.org> References: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> <4923B82B.2030007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4923BD79.2050203@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> We had a work-in-progress for this, I honestly don't know why it isn't >> on the wiki: >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00149.html >> > > I think perhaps someone (ideally, team lead) should have explicitly > approved it if that's the version that's accepted as final. Yeah, but we use the wiki also for work in progress, not only for final works. And the release is only a few days away and those are AFAIK the only graphics available (and I know those are sleeves, not labels - the "official" labels are supposed to be like the ones for F9, very simple, blue and with some white text). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 08:22:01 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:52:01 +0530 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: <4923BD79.2050203@nicubunu.ro> References: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> <4923B82B.2030007@fedoraproject.org> <4923BD79.2050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: > Yeah, but we use the wiki also for work in progress, not only for final > works. And the release is only a few days away and those are AFAIK the only > graphics available (and I know those are sleeves, not labels - the > "official" labels are supposed to be like the ones for F9, very simple, > blue and with some white text). It is possible to have it in a day or two? I am producing a few media for ambassadors and will be needing them badly. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 19 09:16:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:16:56 +0200 Subject: F10 CD/DVD label. In-Reply-To: References: <4923B249.7060302@fedoraproject.org> <4923B6D2.5090508@nicubunu.ro> <4923B82B.2030007@fedoraproject.org> <4923BD79.2050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4923D988.2080803@nicubunu.ro> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> Yeah, but we use the wiki also for work in progress, not only for final >> works. And the release is only a few days away and those are AFAIK the only >> graphics available (and I know those are sleeves, not labels - the >> "official" labels are supposed to be like the ones for F9, very simple, >> blue and with some white text). > > It is possible to have it in a day or two? > I am producing a few media for ambassadors and will be needing them badly. > Thanks. As Rahul said, ping the Art list about the request. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 18:39:05 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:39:05 -0800 Subject: Write your own local release announcement Message-ID: <20081119183905.GH19495@calliope.phig.org> Instead of writing a dry, boring English release announcement for translation ... You are encouraged to write your own announcement, in your native language, for your region of the world. Please collaborate with other members of your localization/Ambassador community for your 'formal' announcement. Ambassadors -- please lead this effort within your language/locale. Here are the points to discuss: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_for_F10 You do not need to cover most or all of those; pick what you think your audience wants to hear about the most. This page explains the process in more detail, with links to previous announcements: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_announcements Still fixing a few things on that page, but it's usable right now. :) - Karsten ps - pardon the cross post, mea culpa -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:00:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:00:44 -0500 Subject: Media Art Message-ID: <20081120220044.GF10192@localhost.localdomain> You'll find updated official media art for Fedora 10 here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F10 -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The proof is scaled pretty small: the sheet is actually going to be roughly 8'x 10' so there's plenty of space to write in the 'write your own' sticker bubbles. If we approve it by COB 11/24 I'll receive them by 12/02 which is in plenty of time for FUDcon Boston in January. Does this look good? If you see any errors or issues let me know and I'll have them fixed, otherwise I'd like to send to send them my approval ASAP. Thanks :) ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MX082-600-307proof-3894.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 104944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 22 09:16:12 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:16:12 +0100 Subject: ZOMG STICKERS!!11 Proof In-Reply-To: <49273021.4040503@fedoraproject.org> References: <49273021.4040503@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1227345372.3574.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Does this look good? Definitely. They are awesome. > If you see any errors or issues let me know and > I'll have them fixed, otherwise I'd like to send to send them my > approval ASAP. I have only one remark. There's plenty of space on the left and on the right. Couldn't this space be filleb by other stickers ? > Thanks :) Thanks goes to you. :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 17:16:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: Misconceptions? Message-ID: Hi fellow Fedora Marketeers, As we move forward in marketing Fedora, I wanted to say a few words about statistical presentation. There may be a tendency among people not familiar with the Fedora Project and its objectives to confuse some of our statistics. People often like to position Linux distributions as being in competition, which I believe somewhat obscures the commonalities of free software communities and especially Fedora's goal of advancing free software. We in the Fedora Project have a very comfortable position as a leader in technical innovation and community contribution to free and open source software. Unfortunately, I frequently encounter misconceptions about our statistics, and the amount of value we place on numbers of users or machines running our software. We continue to be completely open and transparent about the ways we gather statistics and the ways we present them. We don't document these statistics for purposes of competition, but because we believe our community and our sponsors are invested and interested in knowing some of the end results of the work they do in Fedora. We also use these statistics to help us construct and refine additional community-building strategies and initatives. In particular, there are statistics available which show the number of unique IP addresses that have checked in for updates for each of our distributions from Fedora Core 6 up through Fedora 9 and current Rawhide (and soon, Fedora 10). Although totalling those numbers is interesting, it is not meant to indicate a measure of users, only a total number of connections to repositories. We know that each of our releases tends to be installed on machines located at 3 to 4 million unique IP addresses. Some of those connections may represent a duplicated IP address from one release to the next. However, that IP address could mean: * one machine that has been upgraded to a newer release * two or more machines owned by the same person behind a NAT/router/firewall * two or more machines owned by different people behind a NAT/router/firewall * two or more completely separate sites where the IP address has been re-used (cable/DSL pool) Obviously this makes determining the total install base of Fedora across all releases somewhat difficult. We understand completely that IP address counting is not a scientifically valid way of determining a total number of users. That's why we don't claim a number of users from these counts; we only present them as what they are, sums of unique IP addresses. Anyone who's ever heard me speak to this issue knows it's never been my intention, nor interesting at all to me, to debate over user statistics. I am extremely satisfied that we have a geometrically (in some cases exponentially) growing number of account holders, contributors, and Ambasssadors involved in Fedora, all of which numbers we can openly and transparently document. This is far more compelling for the community, I think, than simply throwing large round numbers about, especially when those numbers aren't supported by completely open, transparent, and documented recording and reporting methods. Please keep this in mind as you provide feedback and information to people about Fedora. Our leadership position, I believe, is based on the total contributions our community makes to the entire free and open source software ecosystem, through our continuing, unwavering policy of upstream collaboration, and our continual efforts to lower barriers to contribution across the entire project. Thanks to all of you for being part of Fedora, and I hope all of you are looking forward, as I am, to the release of Fedora 10 on Tuesday! Paul From guido.sanchidrian at gmx.de Sat Nov 22 23:39:08 2008 From: guido.sanchidrian at gmx.de (Guido Sanchidrian) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:39:08 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Guido Sanchidrian Message-ID: <1227397148.3053.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, my name is Guido Sanchidrian, I am originally German, but currently I live in Madrid, Spain. I am working at Symantec in my current role as Principal Product Marketing Manager for the EMEA region. In my role, I am responsible for ?Go-To-Market? activities and planning for Symantec's enterprise security, IT risk management, IT policy compliance and security management product line in Europe, Middle East and Africa (EMEA). Since my early days working in the IT industry - I started 23 years ago - my major interest was and is around IT Security issues, threat landscape evolutions and appropriate countermeasures, strategies, standards and best practices. I started from a technical background, worked in Technical Presales positions and Product Management and since a couple of years in Product Marketing. So to speak, I have always my sales-head, technical-head and marketing-head on to balance and judge the next steps and ideas. Due to my current role in IT Compliance and Security Management (I am also Lead Auditor for ISO/IEC 27001:2005 Information Security Management Systems), I strongly believe that Open Source can contribute a huge value to meet standards and frameworks such as ISO 27001, COBIT, PCI or ITIL. I see RedHat Enterprise and Fedora in particular as an accurate platforms to align the business to IT, host appropriate IT control assessments and workflow. I think that Fedora has strong potential to contribute security on intellectual property, personal identity and data protection for individuals as well as for enterprises, public / education sector and non-profit organisations. I think, that Fedora (and all other free Linux distributions) is currently not perceived as a strong contributor to these kinds of security matters. In times of unsure economic climate and many reports about data loss issues, some very well targeted marketing mix activities could surely raise the perception of Fedora as a solid, professional and trusted platform for security management and IT compliance issues. Therefore I would like to start a discussion about these topics in particular, and I would be very glad to contribute my product marketing experiences for a "go-to-market" strategy and activity planning to position Fedora as a strong solution platform for IT Governance, Risk and Compliance Management. Saludos, -Guido From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 02:23:04 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:08:04 +0545 Subject: Fedora 11 already making the news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey amit, The article is great. And, I hope the device thingy works in F11 as, device drivers have always created problems for Linux. Hope fedora be the first to solve this pain in a**. I am excited for MingW and Audio modifications too! -TN 2008/11/22 Amit Caleechurn > Hi, > We are still finalizing Fedora 10 talking points and Phoronix has > already published an article on the upcoming features of Fedora 11 at > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njg2OQ . Those working > on the Neowin article might also want to have a look at it. > > Amit > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Guido Sanchidrian < guido.sanchidrian at gmx.de> wrote: > Hello, > my name is Guido Sanchidrian, I am originally German, but currently I > live in Madrid, Spain. > > I am working at Symantec in my current role as Principal Product > Marketing Manager for the EMEA region. In my role, I am responsible for > "Go-To-Market" activities and planning for Symantec's enterprise > security, IT risk management, IT policy compliance and security > management product line in Europe, Middle East and Africa (EMEA). > > Since my early days working in the IT industry - I started 23 years ago > - my major interest was and is around IT Security issues, threat > landscape evolutions and appropriate countermeasures, strategies, > standards and best practices. > > I started from a technical background, worked in Technical Presales > positions and Product Management and since a couple of years in Product > Marketing. So to speak, I have always my sales-head, technical-head and > marketing-head on to balance and judge the next steps and ideas. > > Due to my current role in IT Compliance and Security Management (I am > also Lead Auditor for ISO/IEC 27001:2005 Information Security Management > Systems), I strongly believe that Open Source can contribute a huge > value to meet standards and frameworks such as ISO 27001, COBIT, PCI or > ITIL. I see RedHat Enterprise and Fedora in particular as an accurate > platforms to align the business to IT, host appropriate IT control > assessments and workflow. > > I think that Fedora has strong potential to contribute security on > intellectual property, personal identity and data protection for > individuals as well as for enterprises, public / education sector and > non-profit organisations. > > I think, that Fedora (and all other free Linux distributions) is > currently not perceived as a strong contributor to these kinds of > security matters. In times of unsure economic climate and many reports > about data loss issues, some very well targeted marketing mix activities > could surely raise the perception of Fedora as a solid, professional and > trusted platform for security management and IT compliance issues. > > Therefore I would like to start a discussion about these topics in > particular, and I would be very glad to contribute my product marketing > experiences for a "go-to-market" strategy and activity planning to > position Fedora as a strong solution platform for IT Governance, Risk > and Compliance Management. > > Saludos, > > -Guido > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Victor M. Fernandez http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you care about marketing, please read it, and then respond to my Request For Meeting, below. :) === In their excellent book The Starfish and the Spider, Ori Brafman and Rod Beckstrom make the compelling case that, in large decentralized organizations, the values *are* the organization. Which means that, if you are looking to build a large decentralized organization, you must take great care to articulate these values clearly. You must know what you're about, and know it so well that you can communicate it with utter clarity to anyone you ever meet. This elevator pitch is therefore the first, and most important, task of the Sugar Labs Marketing Team. We've got a lot of ideas for this message. We had a design thinking session Friday morning, in which it became clear that two messages resonate most strongly about Sugar: the Collaboration message (which I interpret to mean "having kids use computers to collaborate easily by default is a great thing"), and the Community message (which I interpret to mean "anyone can help make Sugar happen, which is a great thing"). I know that the work of "figuring out messaging" may seem dull. But it's important work, because it is the basis of all other work: positioning to partners, teachers, developers, volunteers of all kinds. For instance: there are now laws in the EU that mandate students to prevent portfolios to demonstrate progress. Not test scores -- portfolios. Similar legislation will soon be proposed to the US Congress. As it happens, Sugar's Journal functionality would be an ideal base for building digital portfolios -- better than any other base, anywhere, ever. We may have one chance to talk to a congressman in order to get Sugar funded... and it could be anybody in the Sugar community making that pitch. We need to make sure that pitch is right. If you want to help us, you can start by joining the conversation. We can certainly use the help, especially if you are a teacher or a school administrator. In an effort like this, every person counts. === So now it's time to figure out when the Marketing Team meets. Who's on the marketing team? Absolutely anybody who cares about the Sugar story and how best to tell it. When shall we meet? I would like to propose: EVERY TUESDAY ON IRC AT 1600 UTC. For your local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=25&year=2008&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 Since most of our contributors are in North America, South America and Europe, I'm shooting for meeting times that will mostly work for those folks. It is perilously difficult to find a time that works for everybody. That's the nature of global meetings. If I get enough +1s, I will select this meeting time as a weekly meeting time, and we will hold our first meeting on Tuesday, December 2nd. Feel free to submit alternate proposals for times. --g _______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing From giallu at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 10:01:20 2008 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:01:20 +0100 Subject: The Register article on Fedora 10 Message-ID: Thanks Paul for forwarding such precise info to the author, if only we could do the same on some italian web sites... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_launch/ -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 12:51:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:51:41 -0500 Subject: Digg, /., etc. for F10 Message-ID: <20081125125141.GC13457@salma.internal.frields.org> Is there anyone out there ready/willing to help with digg, /., etc. for the Fedora 10 release? To some extent we expect these stories will simply make it out there. But we *really* need some people to step up, watch responses to the bigger sites, and help correct misconceptions and outright errors as they come up in discussions about the release. That won't happen by itself; we need *your* help. I'll be camped on #fedora-mktg all day if anyone has questions or wants to pitch in. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That won't happen by > itself; we need *your* help. > > I'll be camped on #fedora-mktg all day if anyone has questions or > wants to pitch in. > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Cambridge_Launched_to_Explore_Solar_System digg that -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 15:51:48 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:51:48 -0500 Subject: Release announcement digg Message-ID: <20081125155148.GB18982@salma.internal.frields.org> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_Cambridge_Launched_to_Explore_Solar_System Digg it up. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <492C17FC.4020508@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081125134947.GG13457@salma.internal.frields.org> <492C17FC.4020508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081125161034.GE18982@salma.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 05:21:32PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Is there interest in having the next FWN round up general press >> articles on F10 release? > > I am not the writer for the marketing beat nor an editor, so this is a > grunt level opinion: usually those articles are reported and sometime > talked about on the marketing list, I can see an item on the marketing > beat covering it. Yes, that makes sense -- I'm cc'ing the fedora-marketing-list as well for follow-up. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hpillay at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 16:33:08 2008 From: hpillay at redhat.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:33:08 +0800 Subject: Digg, /., etc. for F10 In-Reply-To: <20081125125141.GC13457@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <20081125125141.GC13457@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <492C28C4.5050307@redhat.com> > Is there anyone out there ready/willing to help with digg, /., > etc. for the Fedora 10 release? I've posted and dugg JK's post - harishpillay.livejournal.com Harish From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 19:20:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:20:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora press roundup (thus far) Message-ID: <20081125192057.GF26284@salma.internal.frields.org> Here's a summary of some of the articles out already. Note that some of these articles contain incorrect inferences about user base statistics, which I've addressed in another post on this list as well as my personal blog. Thanks to Caroline Kazmierski for her help in compiling this list! /Fedora 10 Out, Packed With Improvements/ http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/154495/fedora_10_out_packed_with_improvements.html /Fedora 10 released, brimming with new features http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081125-fedora-10-released-brimming-with-new-features.html /Red Hat's winning Fedora 10 Linux arrives/ http://blogs.computerworld.com/red_hats_winning_fedora_10_linux_arrives /Rock-solid Fedora 10 brings salvation to Ubuntu weary/ http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_review/ /Fedora 10 RPM can install system components on the fly/ http://www.sdtimes.com/FEDORA_10_RPM_CAN_INSTALL_SYSTEM_COMPONENTS_ON_THE_FLY/About_FEDORA_and_LINUX_and_VIRTUALIZATION_and_REDHAT/33070 /Fedora 10 debuts with nips, tucks/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_launch/ /Fedora 10 Final Release Available Today/ http://ostatic.com/177084-blog/fedora-10-final-release-available-today /Fedora 10: the GNU/Linux Desktop Steps Forward/ http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-11-24-023-35-RV-RH-RL /Red Hat Fedora Claims It's the Leader in Linux/ http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3786726/Red+Hat+Fedora+Claims+Its+the+Leader+in+Linux.htm -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 25 19:38:07 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:38:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora press roundup (thus far) In-Reply-To: <20081125192057.GF26284@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <20081125192057.GF26284@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <492C541F.8010707@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > /Rock-solid Fedora 10 brings salvation to Ubuntu weary/ > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_review/ This one incorrectly cites the default icon theme as being Echo (it's Mist + gnome-icon-theme) ~m From felix at fetzig.org Tue Nov 25 21:31:53 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:31:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora press roundup (thus far) In-Reply-To: <492C541F.8010707@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081125192057.GF26284@salma.internal.frields.org> <492C541F.8010707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <492C6EC9.3030706@fetzig.org> M?ir??n Duffy schrieb: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> /Rock-solid Fedora 10 brings salvation to Ubuntu weary/ >> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_review/ > > This one incorrectly cites the default icon theme as being Echo (it's > Mist + gnome-icon-theme) More than that it also claims F10 to be the next RHEL (which in some way is right but not really exact). Furthermore they state that the proprietary nvidia driver doesn't work on F10 which simply isn't true. Felix From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 21:57:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:57:50 -0500 Subject: Fedora press roundup (thus far) In-Reply-To: <492C6EC9.3030706@fetzig.org> References: <20081125192057.GF26284@salma.internal.frields.org> <492C541F.8010707@fedoraproject.org> <492C6EC9.3030706@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <20081125215750.GQ26284@salma.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:31:53PM +0100, Felix Kaechele wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy schrieb: > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> /Rock-solid Fedora 10 brings salvation to Ubuntu weary/ > >> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_review/ > > > > This one incorrectly cites the default icon theme as being Echo (it's > > Mist + gnome-icon-theme) > > More than that it also claims F10 to be the next RHEL (which in some way > is right but not really exact). Furthermore they state that the > proprietary nvidia driver doesn't work on F10 which simply isn't true. I believe the writer is basing the review on the F10 Preview we sent on a Live USB key. We included a one-sheet with it that indicated the USB key was the preview and that some changes might be expected. I've asked our press folks to get in touch to clarify. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:16:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:46:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora does FIPS Message-ID: <492CF7DA.1060004@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/47649-1.html "Version 10 of Fedora, codenamed Cambridge, might be of interest to federal agencies. It includes Python bindings for Federal Information Processing Standard 140, developed by the Mozilla Foundation. Developers could use those bindings to rapidly build encryption-based applications. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:21:00 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:51:00 +0530 Subject: Security Breach Can't Halt Fedora 10's Debut Message-ID: <492CF8DC.4060502@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3787316/Security+Breach+Cant+Halt+Fedora+10s+Debut.htm "Fedora 10 also helps to expand appliance options with its Appliance Tools technology, a feature that's intended to make it easier for developers and independent software vendors to build Fedora-based appliances. Appliance Tools include the ACT (Appliance Creation Tool) and the AOS (The Appliance Operating System), which is a stripped down version of Fedora." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:23:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:53:36 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's winning Fedora 10 Linux arrives Message-ID: <492CF978.4020200@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://blogs.computerworld.com/red_hats_winning_fedora_10_linux_arrives "Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora project leader, told me that this 'decade' release of Fedora was the best ever without any significant bugs. Yeah. I've heard that before. You know what though? Based on my early work with Fedora 10, Frields is right. This is one clean, mean cutting-edge Linux distribution. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:24:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:54:58 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Out, Packed With Improvements Message-ID: <492CF9CA.5050601@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/154495/fedora_10_out_packed_with_improvements.html "The new virtualization features include the ability to manage virtual hosts and storage remotely, which should appeal to network administrators with fragmented teams. "These features combine to make administration of remote hosts much easier, even in cases where direct physical access is limited or non-existent," the Fedora Team said in a recent blog post on Red Hat's Web site." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:26:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:56:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 RPM can install system components on the fly Message-ID: <492CFA2E.4080006@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.sdtimes.com/FEDORA_10_RPM_CAN_INSTALL_SYSTEM_COMPONENTS_ON_THE_FLY/About_FEDORA_and_LINUX_and_VIRTUALIZATION_and_REDHAT/33070 ?This is the first step for a bigger road map for Fedora 11 and beyond,? said Frields. ?Open a document without the right fonts installed, and that will be taken care of automatically. Open a data file you don't have the right application for, [and] it will be able to provide that application.? Rahul " From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 07:28:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:58:09 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10: the GNU/Linux Desktop Steps Forward Message-ID: <492CFA89.1060800@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Somewhat, a long article but worth a read http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3786911/Fedora+10:+the+GNU/Linux+Desktop+Steps+Forward.htm "A less stressful but still demanding background issue is the rapid growth of the community. According to Frields, membership in the Fedora community has gone from under 2000 to over 15,000 in the last year. Frields attributes this growth to a number of factors, including the effort under his leadership to make the steps in becoming part of the community easier; the doubling in size of the ambassador program, Fedora's grass roots evangelism effort; Fedora's emphasis on good relations with the upstream community (that is, the individual projects that go into a distribution), and the realization by business that Fedora is the place to see the content of upcoming releases of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 10:05:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:35:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora claims to have as many as 9.5 million users Message-ID: <492D1F7E.7010107@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://stuff.techwhack.com/5757-fedora-claims-to-have-as-many-as-9.5-million-users Paul Frields, Fedora?s project leader said in a statement about their findings: ?The total number of users has always been an incredibly difficult number to measure. If you total up all the unique IP?s ? on Fedora 7, 8 and 9, it adds up to about 9.5 million boxes right now.? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 10:09:27 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:39:27 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 debuts with nips, tucks Message-ID: <492D2057.7070600@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_launch/ "Having shelled out a lot of cash, Red Hat is pretty pumped about KVM, and as Fedora project manager, Frields isn't being subtle about Xen. "People should look at that as a harbinger," he says. "Fedora has always been the trendsetter for Linux technologies, and a lot of the technologies in Fedora become de facto standards." "Fedora 10 has a number of neat-o features that Linux enthusiasts will want to take out for a spin. The Network Manager now has an "instant on" collaboration feature that allows for a machine with an Ethernet or mobile broadband connection to share that connection with other wireless machines in its vicinity." From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 10:12:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:42:32 +0530 Subject: Upgrading to the newest Fedora release Message-ID: <492D2110.3030304@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Details out upgrading manually, using cd/dvd, using fedora-release and yum, preupgrade. A fairly complete reference http://www.linux.com/feature/153984 "Once a release is available, you can run PreUpgrade at any time by entering the command preupgrade as root (in Fedora 10 and later, you will be able to start the program directly from PackageKit, the default software installer). PreUpgrade is a wizard that steps you through the necessary upgrade steps. Your only input to the wizard is to select the distribution to which to upgrade, and click the Apply and Forward buttons to move through the wizard. PreUpgrade downloads the packages needed by the upgrade, and you can continue to work until you are ready to reboot and finish the process. Using PreUpgrade is probably the easiest way to upgrade, and from the traffic on the Fedora user list, it's probably the one that most people plan to use on Fedora 10." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 26 10:33:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:03:34 +0530 Subject: Defending the flame of Linux freedom Message-ID: <492D25FE.6080601@fedoraproject.org> Hi, An interview with Max Spevack, former leader of Fedora Project on his role in the community architecture team http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/defending-the-flame-of-linux-freedom-483915?artc_pg=1 "There's a continuum of distros with respect to how they view freedom, and I think we take a pretty hard line in terms of what we will or will not include in Fedora and on the repositories, and I think people appreciate that and want to see Red Hat defend free software as well. That's what I mean by keeping trust." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 12:18:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:18:53 -0500 Subject: Red Hat's winning Fedora 10 Linux arrives In-Reply-To: <492CF978.4020200@fedoraproject.org> References: <492CF978.4020200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081126121853.GA26873@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:53:36PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/red_hats_winning_fedora_10_linux_arrives > > "Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora project leader, told me that this > 'decade' release of Fedora was the best ever without any significant > bugs. Yeah. I've heard that before. > > You know what though? Based on my early work with Fedora 10, Frields is > right. This is one clean, mean cutting-edge Linux distribution. " That's an interesting way of restating my response. I remember telling several interviewers that this release was one where we effectively cleared all the blocker bugs, save one, in a more systematic way. I also defined blocker bug so it would be clear. It would be silly to say that any software, anywhere, has no significant bugs. Except possibly "Hello world." /me eyes helloworld.c suspiciously.... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonas.karlsson at fxdev.com Thu Nov 27 11:56:59 2008 From: jonas.karlsson at fxdev.com (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:56:59 +0100 Subject: what is fedora? Message-ID: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> After reading a lot of pressreleases and surfing around reading papers in magazines about fedora, I keep wondering what is Fedora? And specifically what is fedora to the general pulic! Don't get me wrong, I've known linux since before RedHat was born, and been a fedora user since early pre fc1. Why do I raise this question then? Well the tought that occurs to me is: is fedora a community driven project or is it a Redhat EL playground. Today it is both.... But when you read pressreleases and info about fedora in the papers, fedora do not stand on its own. Many magazines writes similair to: "Fedora is the test version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux" and to me that has the sound of a product in development or in beta. Then there are magazines that occationally get it right and talks about a community driven project, and the next thing that occurs is you read a copyright notice. When installing F10 you get a "Copyright ? 2003-2008 RedHat, Inc. and others. All rights reserved." Well there is the 'others' part... but it do not have the sound of community, well others.... I'm not writing this as an against RH thing, if it hadn't been for RH, 'the linux os' wouldn't progressed to what it is today. I'm writing this because I think it is not entirely clear what fedora is to the general public. This is important to gain ground, to get the message out that fedora is not a testbed product, but a product that incorporates new leading edge features. Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, what is fedora? btw, F10 is king! //J From saadsaidi at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 12:11:29 2008 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:11:29 +0200 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800811270411q2f304a5aof83f1393de66d0ad@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > After reading a lot of pressreleases and surfing around reading papers in > magazines about fedora, I keep wondering what is Fedora? And specifically > what is fedora to the general pulic! Don't get me wrong, I've known linux > since before RedHat was born, and been a fedora user since early pre fc1. > Why do I raise this question then? Well the tought that occurs to me is: is > fedora a community driven project or is it a Redhat EL playground. Today it > is both.... But when you read pressreleases and info about fedora in the > papers, fedora do not stand on its own. Many magazines writes similair to: > "Fedora is the test version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux" and to me that has > the sound of a product in development or in beta. Then there are magazines > that occationally get it right and talks about a community driven project, > and the next thing that occurs is you read a copyright notice. When > installing F10 you get a "Copyright (c) 2003-2008 RedHat, Inc. and others. All > rights reserved." Well there is the 'others' part... but it do not have the > sound of community, well others.... I'm not writing this as an against RH > thing, if it hadn't been for RH, 'the linux os' wouldn't progressed to what > it is today. I'm writing this because I think it is not entirely clear what > fedora is to the general public. This is important to gain ground, to get > the message out that fedora is not a testbed product, but a product that > incorporates new leading edge features. > > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, what > is fedora? > > > btw, F10 is king! > > //J > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aarapov at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 28 11:04:24 2008 From: aarapov at fedoraproject.org (Anton Arapov) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:04:24 +0100 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: <20081128110423.GC10935@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:56:59PM +0100, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > After reading a lot of pressreleases and surfing around reading papers > in magazines about fedora, I keep wondering what is Fedora? And > specifically what is fedora to the general pulic! Don't get me wrong, > I've known linux since before RedHat was born, and been a fedora user > since early pre fc1. Why do I raise this question then? Well the tought > that occurs to me is: is fedora a community driven project or is it a > Redhat EL playground. Today it is both.... But when you read > pressreleases and info about fedora in the papers, fedora do not stand > on its own. Many magazines writes similair to: "Fedora is the test > version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux" and to me that has the sound of a > product in development or in beta. Then there are magazines that > occationally get it right and talks about a community driven project, > and the next thing that occurs is you read a copyright notice. When > installing F10 you get a "Copyright ? 2003-2008 RedHat, Inc. and others. > All rights reserved." Well there is the 'others' part... but it do not > have the sound of community, well others.... I'm not writing this as an > against RH thing, if it hadn't been for RH, 'the linux os' wouldn't > progressed to what it is today. I'm writing this because I think it is > not entirely clear what fedora is to the general public. This is > important to gain ground, to get the message out that fedora is not a > testbed product, but a product that incorporates new leading edge > features. > > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, > what is fedora? Fedora is the way how Red Hat contribute to Open Source and Community. -- Anton From saadsaidi at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 11:33:44 2008 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:33:44 +0200 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: <20081128110423.GC10935@redhat.com> References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> <20081128110423.GC10935@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800811280333v7749ae01v328e674c8882c2f8@mail.gmail.com> This is an important notice, and a very effective point of view. But when it comes to debates and hot conversation regarding whether fedora is the testing playground for Redhat Ent. or not, it becomes a weak point I guess. But after all, nothing is truly free and to be honest fedora is one of the most stable releases among open source Linux bases operating system. Therefore, I usually tend to insure focusing on this point, "testing playground", and finish its discussion before I go into explaining more about fedora's features. On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Anton Arapov wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:56:59PM +0100, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > > After reading a lot of pressreleases and surfing around reading papers > > in magazines about fedora, I keep wondering what is Fedora? And > > specifically what is fedora to the general pulic! Don't get me wrong, > > I've known linux since before RedHat was born, and been a fedora user > > since early pre fc1. Why do I raise this question then? Well the tought > > that occurs to me is: is fedora a community driven project or is it a > > Redhat EL playground. Today it is both.... But when you read > > pressreleases and info about fedora in the papers, fedora do not stand > > on its own. Many magazines writes similair to: "Fedora is the test > > version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux" and to me that has the sound of a > > product in development or in beta. Then there are magazines that > > occationally get it right and talks about a community driven project, > > and the next thing that occurs is you read a copyright notice. When > > installing F10 you get a "Copyright (c) 2003-2008 RedHat, Inc. and others. > > All rights reserved." Well there is the 'others' part... but it do not > > have the sound of community, well others.... I'm not writing this as an > > against RH thing, if it hadn't been for RH, 'the linux os' wouldn't > > progressed to what it is today. I'm writing this because I think it is > > not entirely clear what fedora is to the general public. This is > > important to gain ground, to get the message out that fedora is not a > > testbed product, but a product that incorporates new leading edge > > features. > > > > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, > > what is fedora? > > Fedora is the way how Red Hat contribute to Open Source and Community. > > -- Anton > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Fri Nov 28 15:06:12 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:06:12 +0100 Subject: F10 Marketing Message-ID: <493008E4.70908@gmx.de> Hey guys, I was searching for some press stuff for F10, but at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases I did'nt found there any texts about F10 I can use out of the box. Does anybody know where I can find it? For F10 I can update the presskit, but maybe someone has some main points I can put in. best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Nov 28 15:18:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:18:47 +0200 Subject: F10 Marketing In-Reply-To: <493008E4.70908@gmx.de> References: <493008E4.70908@gmx.de> Message-ID: <49300BD7.7020401@nicubunu.ro> wonderer wrote: > > I was searching for some press stuff for F10, but at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressReleases I did'nt found > there any texts about F10 I can use out of the box. Does anybody know > where I can find it? > For F10 I can update the presskit, but maybe someone has some main > points I can put in. This is not coming exactly from Fedora but is not very far: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2008/fedora10.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonstanley at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 02:15:21 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:15:21 -0500 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, what > is fedora? So I'm on both sides of the fence - Fedora contributor and RHEL customer (as I suspect that many of us are). And the question does come up a lot, so here's my "stock response": Fedora's goal is to be the best of what works today. RHEL's goal is to be the best of what works and is supportable for the next 7 years. These are fundamentally incompatible goals, which cannot be served by one distribution. Fedora accomplishes it's goal by being a completely open and transparent R&D lab, for both Red Hat and members of the community. Anyone, whether you're working on Fedora in your spare time (as I do), or if you have a mandate from your manager at Red Ha because they'd like to see a particular feature in the next version of RHEL, can get a feature into Fedora by following the same process. Let me make some cases in point, using some features from Fedora 10. First, from the community side, Hans de Goede (now a Red Hat employee, but that's really irrelevant - he wasn't when he started work on the feature and is employed doing something completely different), decided that we needed better webcam support in Fedora. He defined the problem space, worked to implement the drivers required in the upstream kernel, and packaged a library to provide v4l2 access to v4l1 apps (sorry for the technical details there). >From the Red Hat "features we'd like to see in RHEL" side (note that this is speculation as to the motivation for this feature, but pretty educated speculation), libvirt (which is the hypervisor-agnostic virtualization mangement layer in Fedora/RHEL) can now remotely provision storage and perform remote installations. These features were again implemented upstream (even though we are upstream for libvirt), thus making the improvements available for any consumer of libvirt, Fedora included, packaged in Fedora, put through a test plan, and accepted. If it really were a fact that "Fedora is a perpetual beta of RHEL" were true, two things would not be true: 1) The first feature would not be in Fedora, it provides very little "enterprise" value (however does provide a lot of value in that we now have a wider range of hardware that Just Works(TM) ). 2) I would not be a member of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) which decides on the technical direction of Fedora and is in charge of the feature process. I'm sorry that this has been long, but I really think that this is a really important topic, and we (Fedora Marketing) need to find a way to spread this sort of messaging. -Jon From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 05:17:43 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:17:43 +0300 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0811282117i1217004dt6ce0f251d90a47bf@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Jonas Karlsson > wrote: > > I'm sorry that this has been long, but I really think that this is a > really important topic, and we (Fedora Marketing) need to find a way > to spread this sort of messaging. > Jon: +1 and an excellent explanation. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From eerpini at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 05:33:27 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (satish) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:03:27 +0530 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: <1227936807.9346.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 21:15 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > So I'm on both sides of the fence - Fedora contributor and RHEL > customer (as I suspect that many of us are). And the question does > come up a lot, so here's my "stock response": > > Fedora's goal is to be the best of what works today. RHEL's goal is > to be the best of what works and is supportable for the next 7 years. > These are fundamentally incompatible goals, which cannot be served by > one distribution. > > Fedora accomplishes it's goal by being a completely open and > transparent R&D lab, for both Red Hat and members of the community. > Anyone, whether you're working on Fedora in your spare time (as I do), > or if you have a mandate from your manager at Red Ha because they'd > like to see a particular feature in the next version of RHEL, can get > a feature into Fedora by following the same process. Let me make some > cases in point, using some features from Fedora 10. > > First, from the community side, Hans de Goede (now a Red Hat employee, > but that's really irrelevant - he wasn't when he started work on the > feature and is employed doing something completely different), decided > that we needed better webcam support in Fedora. He defined the > problem space, worked to implement the drivers required in the > upstream kernel, and packaged a library to provide v4l2 access to v4l1 > apps (sorry for the technical details there). > > >From the Red Hat "features we'd like to see in RHEL" side (note that > this is speculation as to the motivation for this feature, but pretty > educated speculation), libvirt (which is the hypervisor-agnostic > virtualization mangement layer in Fedora/RHEL) can now remotely > provision storage and perform remote installations. These features > were again implemented upstream (even though we are upstream for > libvirt), thus making the improvements available for any consumer of > libvirt, Fedora included, packaged in Fedora, put through a test plan, > and accepted. > > If it really were a fact that "Fedora is a perpetual beta of RHEL" > were true, two things would not be true: > > 1) The first feature would not be in Fedora, it provides very little > "enterprise" value (however does provide a lot of value in that we now > have a wider range of hardware that Just Works(TM) ). > > 2) I would not be a member of the Fedora Engineering Steering > Committee (FESCo) which decides on the technical direction of Fedora > and is in charge of the feature process. > > I'm sorry that this has been long, but I really think that this is a > really important topic, and we (Fedora Marketing) need to find a way > to spread this sort of messaging. +1 The best among the answers I have seen/read .... I have written this on my blog : http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=what_is_fedora let me know if there is a better place to write this on (may be LWN) or please digg this : http://digg.com/linux_unix/What_is_FEDORA Thanks Satish -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 15:50:56 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:50:56 -0500 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> Message-ID: <20081129155056.GA24550@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 09:15:21PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Jonas Karlsson > wrote: > > > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, what > > is fedora? > > So I'm on both sides of the fence - Fedora contributor and RHEL > customer (as I suspect that many of us are). And the question does > come up a lot, so here's my "stock response": > > Fedora's goal is to be the best of what works today. RHEL's goal is > to be the best of what works and is supportable for the next 7 years. > These are fundamentally incompatible goals, which cannot be served by > one distribution. > > Fedora accomplishes it's goal by being a completely open and > transparent R&D lab, for both Red Hat and members of the community. > Anyone, whether you're working on Fedora in your spare time (as I do), > or if you have a mandate from your manager at Red Ha because they'd > like to see a particular feature in the next version of RHEL, can get > a feature into Fedora by following the same process. Let me make some > cases in point, using some features from Fedora 10. > > First, from the community side, Hans de Goede (now a Red Hat employee, > but that's really irrelevant - he wasn't when he started work on the > feature and is employed doing something completely different), decided > that we needed better webcam support in Fedora. He defined the > problem space, worked to implement the drivers required in the > upstream kernel, and packaged a library to provide v4l2 access to v4l1 > apps (sorry for the technical details there). > > >From the Red Hat "features we'd like to see in RHEL" side (note that > this is speculation as to the motivation for this feature, but pretty > educated speculation), libvirt (which is the hypervisor-agnostic > virtualization mangement layer in Fedora/RHEL) can now remotely > provision storage and perform remote installations. These features > were again implemented upstream (even though we are upstream for > libvirt), thus making the improvements available for any consumer of > libvirt, Fedora included, packaged in Fedora, put through a test plan, > and accepted. > > If it really were a fact that "Fedora is a perpetual beta of RHEL" > were true, two things would not be true: > > 1) The first feature would not be in Fedora, it provides very little > "enterprise" value (however does provide a lot of value in that we now > have a wider range of hardware that Just Works(TM) ). > > 2) I would not be a member of the Fedora Engineering Steering > Committee (FESCo) which decides on the technical direction of Fedora > and is in charge of the feature process. > > I'm sorry that this has been long, but I really think that this is a > really important topic, and we (Fedora Marketing) need to find a way > to spread this sort of messaging. Jon, this was a great explanation and reflects exactly the way I try to educate journalists who are reporting on Fedora. I would encourage anyone who wants to contribute to the Marketing team to generalize this onto a wiki page. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 17:00:03 2008 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:00:03 -0700 Subject: what is fedora? In-Reply-To: <20081129155056.GA24550@localhost.localdomain> References: <492E8B0B.1020708@fxdev.com> <20081129155056.GA24550@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90811290900h455ed791gfcb429bd2fa00391@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/29 Paul W. Frields > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 09:15:21PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Jonas Karlsson > > wrote: > > > > > Am I compleatly wrong or have anyone of you been asking the question, > what > > > is fedora? > > > > So I'm on both sides of the fence - Fedora contributor and RHEL > > customer (as I suspect that many of us are). And the question does > > come up a lot, so here's my "stock response": > > > > Fedora's goal is to be the best of what works today. RHEL's goal is > > to be the best of what works and is supportable for the next 7 years. > > These are fundamentally incompatible goals, which cannot be served by > > one distribution. > > > > Fedora accomplishes it's goal by being a completely open and > > transparent R&D lab, for both Red Hat and members of the community. > > Anyone, whether you're working on Fedora in your spare time (as I do), > > or if you have a mandate from your manager at Red Ha because they'd > > like to see a particular feature in the next version of RHEL, can get > > a feature into Fedora by following the same process. Let me make some > > cases in point, using some features from Fedora 10. > > > > First, from the community side, Hans de Goede (now a Red Hat employee, > > but that's really irrelevant - he wasn't when he started work on the > > feature and is employed doing something completely different), decided > > that we needed better webcam support in Fedora. He defined the > > problem space, worked to implement the drivers required in the > > upstream kernel, and packaged a library to provide v4l2 access to v4l1 > > apps (sorry for the technical details there). > > > > >From the Red Hat "features we'd like to see in RHEL" side (note that > > this is speculation as to the motivation for this feature, but pretty > > educated speculation), libvirt (which is the hypervisor-agnostic > > virtualization mangement layer in Fedora/RHEL) can now remotely > > provision storage and perform remote installations. These features > > were again implemented upstream (even though we are upstream for > > libvirt), thus making the improvements available for any consumer of > > libvirt, Fedora included, packaged in Fedora, put through a test plan, > > and accepted. > > > > If it really were a fact that "Fedora is a perpetual beta of RHEL" > > were true, two things would not be true: > > > > 1) The first feature would not be in Fedora, it provides very little > > "enterprise" value (however does provide a lot of value in that we now > > have a wider range of hardware that Just Works(TM) ). > > > > 2) I would not be a member of the Fedora Engineering Steering > > Committee (FESCo) which decides on the technical direction of Fedora > > and is in charge of the feature process. > > > > I'm sorry that this has been long, but I really think that this is a > > really important topic, and we (Fedora Marketing) need to find a way > > to spread this sort of messaging. > > Jon, this was a great explanation and reflects exactly the way I try > to educate journalists who are reporting on Fedora. I would encourage > anyone who wants to contribute to the Marketing team to generalize > this onto a wiki page. > > In terms of finding a way to "spread this sort of messaging" - and forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I didn't see anything in archives - has anyone ever given any thought to doing a Fedora analyst day? Similar to what a public company would do, minus that whole dreadfully boring "profit" part of the day :) Maybe financial analysts would not be quite as interested (but perhaps they would, who knows) - but it would be a good way to interface with industry analysts and press people and really drive this type of message home - along with giving some depth to the subject of "how fedora users are counted," which I saw is also a point of pain when it comes to reading what press people are writing, discussing what Fedora believes their share of the market is (does anyone do this?)... and just generally giving some longer, informative sessions to a lot of analysts and press people at once to clear up any misinformation stored in their brains. Not to mention give them reasons to have and keep Fedora on their radar when it comes to writing reports or stories. And just start developing good ongoing rapport with these people. A lot of depth can be covered in a 1/2 day or day that just can't be covered in a half-hour briefing or interview. It's something that could be done the day before / after someone else's analyst day (RH, or anyone else who would be bringing in the desired audience of people) - or really even before/during/after any conference where all the appropriate parties would likely be (get a room for a 1/2 day during linuxcon)... or even do something streaming online for a first attempt. Just a thought. :) -Robyn PS. Hi! I'm new here. ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxudit007 at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 09:02:12 2008 From: maxudit007 at gmail.com (Udit Sharma) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:32:12 +0530 Subject: Hello to all.... Message-ID: I am Udit Sharma , a student of Kautilya Institute of Technology, Jaipur. I am doing my B.tech in Computer Science. Currently in my 3rd year. I am web Developer/Designer for last 3 years & contributing a lot to Open Source Environment, I love Open source & I love Linux especially Fedora Distribution. I am Mozilla Campus REP too and handling a lot of projects under Mozilla Campus Club.Today I sign up for Fedora Ambassador program to spread the word Fedora to the people. Regards Udit Sharma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nareshlx at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 30 11:23:53 2008 From: nareshlx at fedoraproject.org (Naresh KN) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:53:53 +0530 Subject: Hello to all.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d9e71570811300323r299524f7gb19cb4e8b7818b7a@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to the world of Fedora Mate!! 2008/11/30 Udit Sharma > I am Udit Sharma , a student of Kautilya Institute of Technology, Jaipur. I > am doing my B.tech in Computer Science. Currently in my 3rd year. I am web > Developer/Designer for last 3 years & contributing a lot to Open Source > Environment, I love Open source & I love Linux especially Fedora > Distribution. I am Mozilla Campus REP too and handling a lot of projects > under Mozilla Campus Club.Today I sign up for Fedora Ambassador program to > spread the word Fedora to the people. > > Regards > > Udit Sharma > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 11:34:17 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:04:17 +0530 Subject: Hello to all.... In-Reply-To: <3d9e71570811300323r299524f7gb19cb4e8b7818b7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d9e71570811300323r299524f7gb19cb4e8b7818b7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/11/30 Naresh KN : > Welcome to the world of Fedora Mate!! > > 2008/11/30 Udit Sharma >> >> I am Udit Sharma , a student of Kautilya Institute of Technology, Jaipur. >> I am doing my B.tech in Computer Science. Currently in my 3rd year. I am web >> Developer/Designer for last 3 years & contributing a lot to Open Source >> Environment, I love Open source & I love Linux especially Fedora >> Distribution. I am Mozilla Campus REP too and handling a lot of projects >> under Mozilla Campus Club.Today I sign up for Fedora Ambassador program to >> spread the word Fedora to the people. Hi Udit, Welcome. Nice to have you with us. Please make sure you subscribe to the fedora-india list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india this is where we, Indian contributors discuss things. Also join us at #fedora-india on irc. 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