From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:17:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:17:31 -0800 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <78323d480808310802t4d5d1b67k40aee100fe4aed3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <78323d480808310802t4d5d1b67k40aee100fe4aed3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809011117x1a070de0g5e1e1c51f9f903f5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Mani A wrote: > Vendors should clearly state the quality of the media being used. I do not agree with this. I think vendors should be required to have a stated warranty on the media to be listed. Individual customers can choose vendors based on the terms of the competing warranties and on quality by doing the comparison shopping on their own. I think its very inappropriate for "the project" to get into the business of ranking individual vendors. If they have a warranty on media, and abide by the terms of that warranty then that is what matters. If they aren't abiding by the terms of the warranty they offer customers, then they get pulled of the list. I do not think we are equipped to make a media quality assessment in any substantial way. It's not like we are going to be pulling random samples from their service and doing the quality assurance testing ourselves. Bad media happens, even when using media vendors who are thought to have statistically few problems with their media products. When bad media happens we must rely on the vendors to stand behind the terms of the warranty statements in place at the time of sale. If they can't live up to the warranty statements then they get booted from our list. At the most we can set some minimum threshold as to the expected warranty terms to be listed...for all vendors...including our free media project. > We also need to distinguish between those who do it for excessive > profit and those who do not. Market forces decide what is excessive and what is not. If you find one vendor's price is excessive then you, and every individual customer, can choose another vendor. For all we know the higher priced vendors have additional quality control procedures which ensure a higher quality service. I'm not going to punish a vendor who wants to set a higher price in exchange for a more reliable retail service than its competitors. If they feel the market can support the higher price along side less expensive retail services...then they should be allowed to compete. It's not our place to set the nominal market price. That's called price fixing.. and that's generally a bad idea. -jef From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 22:12:11 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:42:11 +0530 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910809011117x1a070de0g5e1e1c51f9f903f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <78323d480808310802t4d5d1b67k40aee100fe4aed3b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809011117x1a070de0g5e1e1c51f9f903f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78323d480809011512o7aafeb50mbe981e340f582e53@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > When bad media happens we must rely on the vendors to stand behind the > terms of the warranty statements in place at the time of sale. If > they can't live up to the warranty statements then they get booted > from our list. At the most we can set some minimum threshold as to > the expected warranty terms to be listed...for all vendors...including > our free media project. Yes, that is trivially necessary. If they state the quality of media, then it helps the buyer. In India for example, it is possible to use really low quality media. And the standards for optical media are certainly in place. > a higher quality service. I'm not going to punish a vendor who wants > to set a higher price in exchange for a more reliable retail service > than its competitors. If they feel the market can support the higher > price along side less expensive retail services...then they should be > allowed to compete. It's not our place to set the nominal market > price. That's called price fixing.. and that's generally a bad idea. The point is that vendors should understand that there is limited scope for profit in the sector. Otherwise the vendors may all drop out due to poor sales... ...except for some volunteers Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 08:13:39 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:58:39 +0545 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60809011937q1c351731gfe74442c98a5a6da@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60808212121t10a6ff56n72453c186722d005@mail.gmail.com> <7cb778c60808252028p5f6a51fej16169f2c9fe6cef7@mail.gmail.com> <1219749001.10251.10.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011000y2bff16fbtf62a00d170429785@mail.gmail.com> <1220322063.7602.2.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011937q1c351731gfe74442c98a5a6da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220343220.15072.9.camel@tushar-laptop> Great! I will send them to you. Is there anything else we can help you from here. It will be my pleasure. Tushar. On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:07 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > Hi Tushar, > > Currently, Fedora 10 is not released. It is going to be release on > 18th November. You can download it from 18 November onwards. I am > organising Fedora 10 Release party so Fedora 9 will not suit there. > > You can send me the dvd's to > > B. Rishikesh Sharma > C/o. Computer Solutions > Sagolband Moirang Leirak Manung > Opp. Popular High School > Imphal West - 795001 > Manipur, India. > > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tushar Neupaney > wrote: > > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > We don't have even one. > > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn > them for Rishikesh. > > And please and write me your address so that I can send them > to you. > > Tushar. > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > > Hi Tushar, > > > > Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos > > of Fedora 10 DVD. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Tushar Neupaney > > Date: 2008/8/26 > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in > > my Region > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > Thanks Franceso, > > > > Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > > I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near > > 30). And I can send you Fedora 9. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Tushar. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > > > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the first time. > > > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need assistance > > > > from you all. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rishikesh Sharma > > > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > > > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > > > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the only > > > >> fedora > > > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event for the > > > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise such event > > > >> in my region for the first time. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Rishikesh Sharma > > > >> Fedora Ambassador > > > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > > > >> -- > > > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > That's a great news. > > > > > > > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC community > > > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > > > > free to ask here. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > > > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > > > > > > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your event > > > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > > > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > > > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in the > > > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > > > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > > > > > > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > > > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, and > > > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > > > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > > > will like this one. > > > > > > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > > > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > > > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > > > > > > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > > > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We aren't walmart. -jef From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 14:27:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:27:39 +0000 Subject: CD/DVD Distributors In-Reply-To: <604aa7910809021722j2283a09fw1f7e28d9a6a57553@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220103989.3439.4.camel@victoria> <78323d480808310802t4d5d1b67k40aee100fe4aed3b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809011117x1a070de0g5e1e1c51f9f903f5@mail.gmail.com> <20080902231851.GB22511@victoria.internal.frields.org> <604aa7910809021722j2283a09fw1f7e28d9a6a57553@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220452059.18544.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 16:22 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/9/2 Paul W. Frields : > > They are required to do this, if they use the Fedora trademarks to > > advertise the media for sale: > > http://fedoraproject.org/legal/trademarks/guidelines/page4.html > > I didn't say they weren't. 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Even a single set will suffice as I'll use it as a shared property ,anybody needing can use it and then return the same to me.. Extras will be even better .. Can you help ? Thanks .. Rajan Vaish p.s - Let me know,when you need the address .. Thanks ! 2008/9/2 Tushar Neupaney > Great! I will send them to you. > > Is there anything else we can help you from here. It will be my pleasure. > > Tushar. > > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:07 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi Tushar, > > Currently, Fedora 10 is not released. It is going to be release on 18th > November. You can download it from 18 November onwards. I am organising > Fedora 10 Release party so Fedora 9 will not suit there. > > You can send me the dvd's to > > B. Rishikesh Sharma > C/o. Computer Solutions > Sagolband Moirang Leirak Manung > Opp. Popular High School > Imphal West - 795001 > Manipur, India. > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tushar Neupaney < > tushar.neupaney at gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > We don't have even one. > > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > Rishikesh. > > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > > Tushar. > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi Tushar, > > Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora 10 > DVD. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Tushar Neupaney* > Date: 2008/8/26 > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > Thanks Franceso, > > Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I can > send you Fedora 9. > > Thank you. > > Tushar. > > > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > > Hi All, > > > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the first time. > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need assistance > > from you all. > > > > Regards, > > Rishikesh Sharma > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the only > >> fedora > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event for the > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise such event > >> in my region for the first time. > >> > >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> > > > > That's a great news. > > > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC community > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > > free to ask here. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly seehttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your event > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in the > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, and > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > will like this one. > > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 05:04:20 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:49:20 +0545 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region In-Reply-To: <8140ab7e0809031200s7622d4f7l3eea19d748c5cb75@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60808212121t10a6ff56n72453c186722d005@mail.gmail.com> <7cb778c60808252028p5f6a51fej16169f2c9fe6cef7@mail.gmail.com> <1219749001.10251.10.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011000y2bff16fbtf62a00d170429785@mail.gmail.com> <1220322063.7602.2.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011937q1c351731gfe74442c98a5a6da@mail.gmail.com> <1220343220.15072.9.camel@tushar-laptop> <8140ab7e0809031200s7622d4f7l3eea19d748c5cb75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220504660.20577.5.camel@tushar-laptop> Hello Rajan, Good news that fedora is burning hot in Himanchal pradesh too. Keep up the good work guys. And send me your address so that I can send the cds to you. I will be sending 5 of them right now. Because it will travel a long way, for worst case scenario you will at least have a working copy. Wishes and keep posting up. Tushar. On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 00:30 +0530, rajan vaish wrote: > Hi Tushar, > Sorry,I got on this conversation pretty late .But I need similar > help.I am from Jaypee University of Information > Technology,Solan,Himachal Pradesh .And students here have shown keen > interest in using Linux but few of them inspite of their desire to use > Fedora are unable to use it,because what I have is DVD of Fedora 9 but > many students here don't have DVD drives in their computer hence I was > wondering if I can get a set of Fedora 9 CD's that would solve the > purpose . > Even a single set will suffice as I'll use it as a shared > property ,anybody needing can use it and then return the same to me.. > Extras will be even better .. Can you help ? > Thanks .. > Rajan Vaish > p.s - Let me know,when you need the address .. Thanks ! > > > 2008/9/2 Tushar Neupaney > > Great! I will send them to you. > > Is there anything else we can help you from here. It will be > my pleasure. > > Tushar. > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:07 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > > > Hi Tushar, > > > > Currently, Fedora 10 is not released. It is going to be > > release on 18th November. You can download it from 18 > > November onwards. I am organising Fedora 10 Release party so > > Fedora 9 will not suit there. > > > > You can send me the dvd's to > > > > B. Rishikesh Sharma > > C/o. Computer Solutions > > Sagolband Moirang Leirak Manung > > Opp. Popular High School > > Imphal West - 795001 > > Manipur, India. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tushar Neupaney > > wrote: > > > > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right > > now. > > We don't have even one. > > > > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that > > I have. > > > > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. > > I can burn them for Rishikesh. > > > > And please and write me your address so that I can > > send them to you. > > > > Tushar. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tushar, > > > > > > Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send > > > me 30 Nos of Fedora 10 DVD. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Tushar Neupaney > > > Date: 2008/8/26 > > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora > > > Event in my Region > > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > Thanks Franceso, > > > > > > Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: > > > tneupaney at gmail.com. > > > I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put > > > it near 30). And I can send you Fedora 9. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Tushar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco > > > Ugolini wrote: > > > > > > > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the first time. > > > > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need assistance > > > > > from you all. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rishikesh Sharma > > > > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > > > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > > > > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > > > > >> Hi All, > > > > >> > > > > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > > > > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the only > > > > >> fedora > > > > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event for the > > > > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise such event > > > > >> in my region for the first time. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Rishikesh Sharma > > > > >> Fedora Ambassador > > > > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > That's a great news. > > > > > > > > > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC community > > > > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > > > > > free to ask here. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > > > > > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > > > > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > > > > > > > > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your event > > > > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > > > > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > > > > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in the > > > > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > > > > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > > > > > > > > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > > > > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, and > > > > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > > > > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > > > > will like this one. > > > > > > > > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > > > > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > > > > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > > > > > > > > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > > > > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vaish.rajan at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:30:11 2008 From: vaish.rajan at gmail.com (rajan vaish) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:00:11 +0530 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region In-Reply-To: <1220504660.20577.5.camel@tushar-laptop> References: <7cb778c60808212121t10a6ff56n72453c186722d005@mail.gmail.com> <7cb778c60808252028p5f6a51fej16169f2c9fe6cef7@mail.gmail.com> <1219749001.10251.10.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011000y2bff16fbtf62a00d170429785@mail.gmail.com> <1220322063.7602.2.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011937q1c351731gfe74442c98a5a6da@mail.gmail.com> <1220343220.15072.9.camel@tushar-laptop> <8140ab7e0809031200s7622d4f7l3eea19d748c5cb75@mail.gmail.com> <1220504660.20577.5.camel@tushar-laptop> Message-ID: <8140ab7e0809040030i1cd14c04v6d52c0f92dc92319@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tushar, Thanks for your kind help.Yea 5 sounds cool !..Here is my address ..Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rajan Vaish Room 3,H-4 Jaypee University of Information Technology, Waknaghat,Solan - 173 215 Himachal Pradesh - INDIA Cell : 091 - 923 550 3181 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Tushar .. Rajan . On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tushar Neupaney wrote: > Hello Rajan, > > Good news that fedora is burning hot in Himanchal pradesh too. Keep up the > good work guys. > > And send me your address so that I can send the cds to you. I will be > sending 5 of them right now. > > Because it will travel a long way, for worst case scenario you will at > least have a working copy. > > Wishes and keep posting up. > > Tushar. > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 00:30 +0530, rajan vaish wrote: > > Hi Tushar, > Sorry,I got on this conversation pretty late .But I need similar help.I am > from Jaypee University of Information Technology,Solan,Himachal Pradesh .And > students here have shown keen interest in using Linux but few of them > inspite of their desire to use Fedora are unable to use it,because what I > have is DVD of Fedora 9 but many students here don't have DVD drives in > their computer hence I was wondering if I can get a set of Fedora 9 CD's > that would solve the purpose . > Even a single set will suffice as I'll use it as a shared property ,anybody > needing can use it and then return the same to me.. Extras will be even > better .. Can you help ? > Thanks .. > Rajan Vaish > p.s - Let me know,when you need the address .. Thanks ! > > 2008/9/2 Tushar Neupaney > > Great! I will send them to you. > > Is there anything else we can help you from here. It will be my pleasure. > > Tushar. > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:07 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi Tushar, > > Currently, Fedora 10 is not released. It is going to be release on 18th > November. You can download it from 18 November onwards. I am organising > Fedora 10 Release party so Fedora 9 will not suit there. > > You can send me the dvd's to > > B. Rishikesh Sharma > C/o. Computer Solutions > Sagolband Moirang Leirak Manung > Opp. Popular High School > Imphal West - 795001 > Manipur, India. > > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tushar Neupaney < > tushar.neupaney at gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > We don't have even one. > > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > Rishikesh. > > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > > Tushar. > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi Tushar, > > Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora 10 > DVD. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Tushar Neupaney* > Date: 2008/8/26 > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > Thanks Franceso, > > Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I can > send you Fedora 9. > > Thank you. > > Tushar. > > > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > > Hi All, > > > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the first time. > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need assistance > > from you all. > > > > Regards, > > Rishikesh Sharma > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the only > >> fedora > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event for the > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise such event > >> in my region for the first time. > >> > >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> > > > > That's a great news. > > > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC community > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > > free to ask here. > > > > Regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly seehttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your event > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in the > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, and > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > will like this one. > > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 09:17:51 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:02:51 +0545 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region In-Reply-To: <23edaffd0809032234u567b6e0am20216c7fa835c7e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60808212121t10a6ff56n72453c186722d005@mail.gmail.com> <7cb778c60808252028p5f6a51fej16169f2c9fe6cef7@mail.gmail.com> <1219749001.10251.10.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011000y2bff16fbtf62a00d170429785@mail.gmail.com> <1220322063.7602.2.camel@tushar-laptop> <23edaffd0809031208yf226caco6c1a6bce95822880@mail.gmail.com> <1220506076.20577.16.camel@tushar-laptop> <23edaffd0809032234u567b6e0am20216c7fa835c7e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220519871.15846.4.camel@tushar-laptop> Dear Victor, Nice to learn about the initiative. I have with me 20 DVDs of Fedora, which I can provide you. Can u manage for the courier? We are celebrating SFD'08 and are sort of funds right now. Wishes, Tushar On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:34 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > Thanks Tushar, no problem with the spanish download ISOs. > > However, we need this DVDs not for us... instead to reclute new > users/developers/sysadmin on the spanish events. > > Anyone could send us some DVDs (10-30)? > > Regards. > > 2008/9/4, Tushar Neupaney : > > Hello Victor, > > > > Wishes from Nepal, > > > > Is there a problem in downloading the ISOs' in Spain? If there is, I > > guess someone from Europe must jump into this. > > We are hundred and thousands miles apart, it's better if you find > > someone nearby. > > > > I think guys we must think of something for our Spanish friends! > > Help time guys! > > > > Tushar > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 21:08 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > > >> Thanks Tushar, how could we get some (10-30) DVDs of Fedora 9, for the > >> spanish ambassadors? > >> > >> Best regards. > >> > >> 2008/9/2, Tushar Neupaney : > >> > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > >> > We don't have even one. > >> > > >> > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > >> > > >> > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > >> > Rishikesh. > >> > > >> > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > >> > > >> > Tushar. > >> > > >> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > >> >> Hi Tushar, > >> >> > >> >> Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora > >> >> 10 DVD. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> From: Tushar Neupaney > >> >> Date: 2008/8/26 > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > >> >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks Franceso, > >> >> > >> >> Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > >> >> I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I > >> >> can send you Fedora 9. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you. > >> >> > >> >> Tushar. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > > Hi All, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the > >> >> > > first > >> >> > > time. > >> >> > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need > >> >> > > assistance > >> >> > > from you all. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards, > >> >> > > Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> > > From: Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my > >> >> > > Region > >> >> > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > >> Hi All, > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > >> >> > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the > >> >> > >> only > >> >> > >> fedora > >> >> > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event > >> >> > >> for the > >> >> > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise > >> >> > >> such > >> >> > >> event > >> >> > >> in my region for the first time. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> >> > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > >> >> > >> -- > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > That's a great news. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC > >> >> > > community > >> >> > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > >> >> > > free to ask here. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > >> >> > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > >> >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > >> >> > > >> >> > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your > >> >> > event > >> >> > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > >> >> > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > >> >> > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in > >> >> > the > >> >> > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > >> >> > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > >> >> > > >> >> > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > >> >> > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, > >> >> > and > >> >> > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > >> >> > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > >> >> > will like this one. > >> >> > > >> >> > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > >> >> > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > >> >> > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > >> >> > > >> >> > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > >> >> > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > >> >> > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards. 2008/9/4 Tushar Neupaney > Dear Victor, > > Nice to learn about the initiative. > > I have with me 20 DVDs of Fedora, which I can provide you. > Can u manage for the courier? > > We are celebrating SFD'08 and are sort of funds right now. > > Wishes, > Tushar > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:34 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > Thanks Tushar, no problem with the spanish download ISOs. > > However, we need this DVDs not for us... instead to reclute new > users/developers/sysadmin on the spanish events. > > Anyone could send us some DVDs (10-30)? > > Regards. > > 2008/9/4, Tushar Neupaney : > > Hello Victor, > > > > Wishes from Nepal, > > > > Is there a problem in downloading the ISOs' in Spain? If there is, I > > guess someone from Europe must jump into this. > > We are hundred and thousands miles apart, it's better if you find > > someone nearby. > > > > I think guys we must think of something for our Spanish friends! > > Help time guys! > > > > Tushar > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 21:08 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > > >> Thanks Tushar, how could we get some (10-30) DVDs of Fedora 9, for the > >> spanish ambassadors? > >> > >> Best regards. > >> > >> 2008/9/2, Tushar Neupaney : > >> > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > >> > We don't have even one. > >> > > >> > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > >> > > >> > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > >> > Rishikesh. > >> > > >> > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > >> > > >> > Tushar. > >> > > >> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > >> >> Hi Tushar, > >> >> > >> >> Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora > >> >> 10 DVD. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> From: Tushar Neupaney > >> >> Date: 2008/8/26 > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > >> >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks Franceso, > >> >> > >> >> Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > >> >> I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I > >> >> can send you Fedora 9. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you. > >> >> > >> >> Tushar. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > > Hi All, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the > >> >> > > first > >> >> > > time. > >> >> > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need > >> >> > > assistance > >> >> > > from you all. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards, > >> >> > > Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> > > From: Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my > >> >> > > Region > >> >> > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > >> Hi All, > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > >> >> > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the > >> >> > >> only > >> >> > >> fedora > >> >> > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event > >> >> > >> for the > >> >> > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise > >> >> > >> such > >> >> > >> event > >> >> > >> in my region for the first time. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> >> > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > >> >> > >> -- > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > That's a great news. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC > >> >> > > community > >> >> > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > >> >> > > free to ask here. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > >> >> > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > >> >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > >> >> > > >> >> > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your > >> >> > event > >> >> > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > >> >> > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > >> >> > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in > >> >> > the > >> >> > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > >> >> > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > >> >> > > >> >> > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > >> >> > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, > >> >> > and > >> >> > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > >> >> > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > >> >> > will like this one. > >> >> > > >> >> > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > >> >> > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > >> >> > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > >> >> > > >> >> > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > >> >> > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > >> >> > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 09:48:54 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:33:54 +0545 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region In-Reply-To: <23edaffd0809040233h21b1841l5fc3e51f19f678c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60808212121t10a6ff56n72453c186722d005@mail.gmail.com> <7cb778c60808252028p5f6a51fej16169f2c9fe6cef7@mail.gmail.com> <1219749001.10251.10.camel@tushar-laptop> <7cb778c60809011000y2bff16fbtf62a00d170429785@mail.gmail.com> <1220322063.7602.2.camel@tushar-laptop> <23edaffd0809031208yf226caco6c1a6bce95822880@mail.gmail.com> <1220506076.20577.16.camel@tushar-laptop> <23edaffd0809032234u567b6e0am20216c7fa835c7e8@mail.gmail.com> <1220519871.15846.4.camel@tushar-laptop> <23edaffd0809040233h21b1841l5fc3e51f19f678c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220521734.15846.6.camel@tushar-laptop> Victor, can u provide me ur address. I have to query on the cost. And Fedex is cheaper than DHL, Is Fedex available there? On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:33 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > OK Tushar, how many ? does it cost? > > Regards. > > > 2008/9/4 Tushar Neupaney > > Dear Victor, > > Nice to learn about the initiative. > > I have with me 20 DVDs of Fedora, which I can provide you. > Can u manage for the courier? > > We are celebrating SFD'08 and are sort of funds right now. > > Wishes, > Tushar > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:34 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > > Thanks Tushar, no problem with the spanish download ISOs. > > > > However, we need this DVDs not for us... instead to reclute new > > users/developers/sysadmin on the spanish events. > > > > Anyone could send us some DVDs (10-30)? > > > > Regards. > > > > 2008/9/4, Tushar Neupaney : > > > Hello Victor, > > > > > > Wishes from Nepal, > > > > > > Is there a problem in downloading the ISOs' in Spain? If there is, I > > > guess someone from Europe must jump into this. > > > We are hundred and thousands miles apart, it's better if you find > > > someone nearby. > > > > > > I think guys we must think of something for our Spanish friends! > > > Help time guys! > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 21:08 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks Tushar, how could we get some (10-30) DVDs of Fedora 9, for the > > >> spanish ambassadors? > > >> > > >> Best regards. > > >> > > >> 2008/9/2, Tushar Neupaney : > > >> > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > > >> > We don't have even one. > > >> > > > >> > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > > >> > > > >> > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > > >> > Rishikesh. > > >> > > > >> > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > > >> > > > >> > Tushar. > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > > >> >> Hi Tushar, > > >> >> > > >> >> Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora > > >> >> 10 DVD. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >> >> From: Tushar Neupaney > > >> >> Date: 2008/8/26 > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > > >> >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks Franceso, > > >> >> > > >> >> Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > > >> >> I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I > > >> >> can send you Fedora 9. > > >> >> > > >> >> Thank you. > > >> >> > > >> >> Tushar. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > > >> >> > > Hi All, > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the > > >> >> > > first > > >> >> > > time. > > >> >> > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need > > >> >> > > assistance > > >> >> > > from you all. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Regards, > > >> >> > > Rishikesh Sharma > > >> >> > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >> >> > > From: Francesco Ugolini > > >> >> > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my > > >> >> > > Region > > >> >> > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > > >> >> > >> Hi All, > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > > >> >> > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the > > >> >> > >> only > > >> >> > >> fedora > > >> >> > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event > > >> >> > >> for the > > >> >> > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise > > >> >> > >> such > > >> >> > >> event > > >> >> > >> in my region for the first time. > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > > >> >> > >> Fedora Ambassador > > >> >> > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > > >> >> > >> -- > > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > >> >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > That's a great news. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC > > >> >> > > community > > >> >> > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > > >> >> > > free to ask here. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Regards > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > > >> >> > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > > >> >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your > > >> >> > event > > >> >> > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > > >> >> > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > > >> >> > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > > >> >> > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > > >> >> > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > > >> >> > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > > >> >> > will like this one. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > > >> >> > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > > >> >> > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > > >> >> > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Regards > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Francesco Ugolini > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- > > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fernandez C/ Cangrejo, 6, 3-C Madrid 28031 Spain Regards. 2008/9/4 Tushar Neupaney > Victor, can u provide me ur address. I have to query on the cost. > And Fedex is cheaper than DHL, Is Fedex available there? > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:33 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > OK Tushar, how many ? does it cost? > > Regards. > > 2008/9/4 Tushar Neupaney > > Dear Victor, > > Nice to learn about the initiative. > > I have with me 20 DVDs of Fedora, which I can provide you. > Can u manage for the courier? > > We are celebrating SFD'08 and are sort of funds right now. > > Wishes, > Tushar > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:34 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > Thanks Tushar, no problem with the spanish download ISOs. > > However, we need this DVDs not for us... instead to reclute new > users/developers/sysadmin on the spanish events. > > Anyone could send us some DVDs (10-30)? > > Regards. > > 2008/9/4, Tushar Neupaney : > > Hello Victor, > > > > Wishes from Nepal, > > > > Is there a problem in downloading the ISOs' in Spain? If there is, I > > guess someone from Europe must jump into this. > > We are hundred and thousands miles apart, it's better if you find > > someone nearby. > > > > I think guys we must think of something for our Spanish friends! > > Help time guys! > > > > Tushar > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 21:08 +0200, Victor Fernandez wrote: > > > >> Thanks Tushar, how could we get some (10-30) DVDs of Fedora 9, for the > >> spanish ambassadors? > >> > >> Best regards. > >> > >> 2008/9/2, Tushar Neupaney : > >> > Sorry Rishikesh I don't have Fedora 10 DVD right now. > >> > We don't have even one. > >> > > >> > I can by the way provide you with Fedora 9 CDs that I have. > >> > > >> > Can someone suggest me on how to get Fedora 10 DVD. I can burn them for > >> > Rishikesh. > >> > > >> > And please and write me your address so that I can send them to you. > >> > > >> > Tushar. > >> > > >> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:30 +0530, Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > >> >> Hi Tushar, > >> >> > >> >> Thank you for your kind co-operation. You can send me 30 Nos of Fedora > >> >> 10 DVD. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> From: Tushar Neupaney > >> >> Date: 2008/8/26 > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my Region > >> >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks Franceso, > >> >> > >> >> Rishikesh you can write a mail to me @: tneupaney at gmail.com. > >> >> I am looking at how many CDs can we provide (Put it near 30). And I > >> >> can send you Fedora 9. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you. > >> >> > >> >> Tushar. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:52 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > 2008/8/26 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > > Hi All, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Please help me to organize a Fedora Event in my region for the > >> >> > > first > >> >> > > time. > >> >> > > What are the required procedure to organize such event. I need > >> >> > > assistance > >> >> > > from you all. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards, > >> >> > > Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > > FA, Imphal, Manipur. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> > > From: Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] How to Organise Fedora Event in my > >> >> > > Region > >> >> > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 2008/8/22 Rishikesh Sharma : > >> >> > >> Hi All, > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> I want to organise Fedora Event, maybe Fedora 10 release or media > >> >> > >> distribution in my region for the very first time. I am also the > >> >> > >> only > >> >> > >> fedora > >> >> > >> ambassador in my region. So, i would like to organise fedora event > >> >> > >> for the > >> >> > >> first time in my region. Please help and support me to organise > >> >> > >> such > >> >> > >> event > >> >> > >> in my region for the first time. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Rishikesh Sharma > >> >> > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> >> > >> Imphal, Manipur, India. > >> >> > >> -- > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > That's a great news. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > What Sankarshan said is complete and perfect. I'm sure APAC > >> >> > > community > >> >> > > could help you better than anyone, but if you have more doubts feel > >> >> > > free to ask here. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > First thing stay in contact with the other ambassadors around you > >> >> > (thanks Tushar for the availability). Secondly see > >> >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and add your event there. > >> >> > > >> >> > An advice: to request resources from FAmSCo you need to add your > >> >> > event > >> >> > one month before the beginning of the fiscal quarter, for example now > >> >> > you are late if you want to ask for resources for Q3 (September - > >> >> > November), but if you are considering creating/joining an event in > >> >> > the > >> >> > next quarter Q4 (December - February) you could be able to make the > >> >> > request (then FAmSCo will decide about this one). > >> >> > > >> >> > This was the formal side of answer, for the informal one I could only > >> >> > say: remember when you are in a public event you represent Fedora, > >> >> > and > >> >> > what you say is what people referring to Fedora. Another one: Be > >> >> > friendly and mix the technical skills with the joyful side: people > >> >> > will like this one. > >> >> > > >> >> > For the technical side: if you have a booth try to organize it in a > >> >> > well way so that people could see what Fedora people are offering > >> >> > (e.g. show a demo station with fedora). > >> >> > > >> >> > That's what I can say, naturally I'm pretty sure people around you, > >> >> > like Tushar could be more helpful than me. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > Francesco Ugolini > >> >> > > >> >> > Naturally, feel free to ask here or FAmSCo. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sat Sep 6 16:25:02 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:25:02 +0200 Subject: press kit Message-ID: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Hy there, I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. best regards Henrik From nacross at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 17:27:01 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:27:01 -0600 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM, wonderer wrote: > Hy there, > > I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I > "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a short doc > where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is > presented. > Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. > I would love to have a text like that, and also that has been reviewed for several people. I offer to translate that to Spanish. Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:yn1v Linux User # 473217 From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 6 19:29:34 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Message-ID: <36689.AFRSXQ5XDXg=.1220729374.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi, >> I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and >> I >> "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a short doc >> where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is >> presented. >> Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. >> I'd say that even if there is no need for it, everyone would be glad if you could write one :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 6 21:10:53 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:10:53 +0200 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809062310.58194.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Samstag, 6. September 2008 18:25:02 schrieb wonderer: > Hy there, > > I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and > I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a short > doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora > is presented. > Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. Maybe you can enhance or translate what we wrote for CLT08. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA#Press somewhere is also a good Flyer from FabianAffolter with a good generic text! As you the 3 Foundations has changed into 4 new http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00142.html A Release should consider it! Regards Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 7 07:11:45 2008 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:11:45 +0200 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <200809062310.58194.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> <200809062310.58194.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220771505.3467.4.camel@redhat> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 23:10 +0200, JoergSimon wrote: > Am Samstag, 6. September 2008 18:25:02 schrieb wonderer: > > Hy there, > > > > I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and > > I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a short > > doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora > > is presented. > > Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. > > > Maybe you can enhance or translate what we wrote for CLT08. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA#Press > > somewhere is also a good Flyer from FabianAffolter with a good generic text! > > As you the 3 Foundations has changed into 4 new > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00142.html > A Release should consider it! > > Regards Joerg Well, I think we had a text like that somewhere... However it'd be a good idea if you wrote another one, so that people wouldn't have to write their own press release notes as I did it when F9 showed up. And of course I'd like to translate the text to Polish once you finish it :) Cheers, Pawel Sadowski From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 7 12:47:27 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:47:27 +0100 Subject: Next year for mktg Message-ID: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> Hey, So I'm at FUDCon and the little session I pitched on plans for the next year of Fedora Marketing wasn't as useful as I hoped. I'd still like to try and make time to talk about this stuff, but maybe it would be a good idea if we tried to arrange a time to take advantage of Fedora VoiP stuff? A meeting outside of our normal meeting schedule where we can figure out direction and grand plans etc, rather than focusing on individual tasks that people are working on. Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 8 09:08:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:38:26 +0530 Subject: The Amazing Artwork of Fedora 10 Message-ID: <48C4EB8A.1020801@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://osnews.com/story/20262/The_Amazing_Artwork_of_Fedora_10 Digg It: http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/09/06/the-amazing-artwork-of-fedora-10/ "Since quite early on, Linux Loop has been covering the evolving Fedora 10 artwork. Fedora has a long track record of producing amazing themes and it is obvious to me that this release will live up to that expectation. Now that the second deadline has past, it appears that only a few themes are left. Of these, all of them would make great themes." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 8 09:09:14 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:39:14 +0530 Subject: The Amazing Artwork of Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <48C4EB8A.1020801@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C4EB8A.1020801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C4EBBA.6020601@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://osnews.com/story/20262/The_Amazing_Artwork_of_Fedora_10 > > Digg It: > > http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/09/06/the-amazing-artwork-of-fedora-10/ http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Amazing_Artwork_of_Fedora_10 Rahul From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 8 13:21:20 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:21:20 +0200 Subject: Next year for mktg In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/9/7 Jonathan Roberts : > Hey, > > So I'm at FUDCon and the little session I pitched on plans for the > next year of Fedora Marketing wasn't as useful as I hoped. Maybe it could be better, but BTW I feel it interest because I'm now able to find a way to make Ambassadors and FAmSCo working in some open marketing issues. (Call it collaboration, don't misunderstand me). >I'd still > like to try and make time to talk about this stuff, but maybe it would > be a good idea if we tried to arrange a time to take advantage of > Fedora VoiP stuff? +1 It could be a new way to communicate. It could be nice to test this fedora infrastructure future. >A meeting outside of our normal meeting schedule > where we can figure out direction and grand plans etc, rather than > focusing on individual tasks that people are working on. Open to everyone? If yes, I completely agree. Thank you Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:43:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:43:06 +0000 Subject: Next year for mktg In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 15:21 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/9/7 Jonathan Roberts : > > Hey, > > > > So I'm at FUDCon and the little session I pitched on plans for the > > next year of Fedora Marketing wasn't as useful as I hoped. > > Maybe it could be better, but BTW I feel it interest because I'm now > able to find a way to make Ambassadors and FAmSCo working in some open > marketing issues. (Call it collaboration, don't misunderstand me). > > >I'd still > > like to try and make time to talk about this stuff, but maybe it would > > be a good idea if we tried to arrange a time to take advantage of > > Fedora VoiP stuff? > > +1 It could be a new way to communicate. It could be nice to test this > fedora infrastructure future. > > >A meeting outside of our normal meeting schedule > > where we can figure out direction and grand plans etc, rather than > > focusing on individual tasks that people are working on. > > Open to everyone? If yes, I completely agree. I encourage people to take advantage of the new VoIP capability. It's absolutely essential that someone be appointed at the very beginning of the meeting to take notes. Those notes should be posted publicly to the list and the wiki (preferably where other Marketing meeting minutes appear). -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is something I didn't think of, I would love for it to be open to everyone and maybe IRC would work better in that case, but I'd like to try the VoiP stuff at some point :p From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 8 14:01:42 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:01:42 +0100 Subject: Next year for mktg In-Reply-To: <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0809080701m4de264c5n8b649a41af5a463e@mail.gmail.com> > I encourage people to take advantage of the new VoIP capability. It's > absolutely essential that someone be appointed at the very beginning of > the meeting to take notes. Those notes should be posted publicly to the > list and the wiki (preferably where other Marketing meeting minutes > appear). Ah... note taking! I guess this is the best approach, and I'd be happy to take the notes if we try this out. Jon From red at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 8 14:23:27 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro red Mathys ) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Next year for mktg In-Reply-To: <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <55003.194.41.216.154.1220883807.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> I'm not sure if this might be a bit off-topic. But as the topic was raised, let me add a little 'IMHO' on discussions over VoIP. While I agree, that the VoIP capability is a great thing, I see some drawbacks in using it. Regarding that there's many folks out there, who're not native speakers of the English language (some of them with better, some with worse skills). 1) It's hard for them to follow the discussion. People might speak to fast or not clear enough. There's no possibility to scroll back some lines and re-read a bit. If you don't understand a word, you can't just ask a online dictionary for it - because you often have no idea how the word's written. 2) It's hard for them to bring in their points into the discussion. On IRC, you can type your sentence, search word in a dictionary because you've got more time, you can rephrase everything, and so on. Things you can't easily do if speaking (without confusing your audience completely, again particularly other persons who're non-natives). For this reasons, they'd have to make their sentences up before they start speaking - and while they think about how they're going to say something, they miss quite a bit of the discussion already (without the possiblity to just scroll back). 3) It's hard to under stand them, too (particularly for other non-native speakers). They mis-pronounce words, make mistakes in their grammar, and so on. Again, that's be less a problem in IRC since you can re-read every sentence and whole arguments several times, unless you figured out what they're saying. I hope, I made my points clear. Oh...this wasn't meant as an offense in any way! Just trying to show all native speakers how we others sometime feel (for some, it's hard enough to have a discussion on IRC or the mailing lists already, isn't it?). "They" also includes me, of course. Regards, red ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Next year for mktg From: "Paul W. Frields" Date: Mon, September 8, 2008 15:43 To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage people to take advantage of the new VoIP capability. It's absolutely essential that someone be appointed at the very beginning of the meeting to take notes. Those notes should be posted publicly to the list and the wiki (preferably where other Marketing meeting minutes appear). From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 15:03:37 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:03:37 +0000 Subject: Next year for mktg In-Reply-To: <55003.194.41.216.154.1220883807.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> References: <507738ef0809070547n71278538i3d2a4104bdb9863f@mail.gmail.com> <1220881386.15677.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> <55003.194.41.216.154.1220883807.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Message-ID: <1220886217.15677.184.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 16:23 +0200, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > I'm not sure if this might be a bit off-topic. But as the topic was > raised, let me add a little 'IMHO' on discussions over VoIP. All of Sandro's points are very good ones. It's very important to remember this is a global project and that email discussions, being asynchronous, may be slower but are always easier to manage for ESL (English as a Second Language) speakers. There's a pretty famous presentation that talks about ways to kill your community, and one of them is to hold telephone meetings: http://www.powerpostgresql.com/download/TFCKUpload/25.pdf A phone call that's open is an improvement, but *only* for those people who actually can make it to the phone call. If they can't, and you make decisions on that call that affect them, you're not giving the community a fair shot at participation. Phone calls are not a good place to make substantial decisions for community projects. Phone calls are still good, however, for just talking about the status, and saying, "Let's start a discussion on the mailing list." The community must know that they're not being sidelined in these discussions, which is why the note-taking is important. Remember that we have an obligation to each other as community members to keep each other informed and give each other the opportunity to participate, influence, and make decisions. I would urge anyone who's going to use the phone for these meetings to consider the factors above. Please keep in mind that I'm *not* saying any of our fellow Fedorans would want to circumvent the community with their phone call ideas. Sometimes we don't foresee or intend all our effects so it's worth thinking ahead! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also I can place some more representative press releases or pictures in. if there where "big" projects in business or communitys it would be fine if someboda can give me more infos about it. If anybody has info or was involved in projects where fedora take place please contact me. I will put the infos in it. I have a litte request that changes are sent first to me and not please yet edit wildly around. If the draft versions are ready I will send them around for further translation and place them on the wiki. best regards Henrik From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:20:10 2008 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Ahsan) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:20:10 +0600 Subject: fedora 10 party Message-ID: <49d06cc40809081020v4e6c7ad5i82803e0db89d62cf@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone,I would like to celebrate the release of FC 10 @ dhaka..with a small party. I want to know the procedure to request for funds and materials etc. thanks and have a nice time :) -- Md. Ahsanur Rashid, ??: ??????? ???? Undergraduate Student, ?????? ??????????, Level-4, Term-1, ?????-?, ?????-?, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), ????????? ???? ?????, Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), ???????? ??????? ??????????????, Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. ????-????, ????????? Cell: (+88) 01715621323 ???: (+??)??????????? Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:52 PM, wonderer wrote: > Hy everybody, > > Ok, because there where only good feedback I build up two basic press-kits > (one in english, one in german). > You can find it at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press#press_kit . > It would be good if everybody could look over it and give corrections and > additional infos. Particularly for the range statistics I look for > information and sources. Also I can place some more representative press > releases or pictures in. if there where "big" projects in business or > communitys it would be fine if someboda can give me more infos about it. > If anybody has info or was involved in projects where fedora take place > please contact me. I will put the infos in it. > I have a litte request that changes are sent first to me and not please yet > edit wildly around. If the draft versions are ready I will send them around > for further translation and place them on the wiki. > > > best regards > Henrik > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw that there is another Release Party planned in Bangladesh, you may try to coordinate with this one. BTW, this is NOT the right place to request information about events organization, Fedora Ambassadors List is the more correct list. So, if you want to reply just move the discussion in the other list and we will be able to discuss better. Hope to have answered your question Francesco Ugolini From dezone24 at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:44:34 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:44:34 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=A1Announcing_Fedora_Colombia!?= Message-ID: English: Hi all: I am pleased to introduce a new website Fedora, the first official in Colombia for Fedora Project and one more for "Proyecto Fedora" Latinoamerica, as a part of our commitment to spread Fedora on latinoamerican and spanish speakers communities. Thanks to all Fedora Community, to latinoamerican people and a special mention for Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) from Fedora Mexico who does a great job administrating Proyecto Fedora infraestructure. This is my first "official" contribution to send the Fedora?s message to the world, and I hope from this humble beginning, that Fedora Colombia not only is a meeting point for colombian fedora?s users else for latinoamerican people and contribute - of course - with much more to Fedora Project. You can see it on: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia Greetings! -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spanish: Hola a todos: Tengo el placer de presentarles un nuevo sitio Web de Fedora, el primero oficial en Colombia y uno m?s para Proyecto Fedora Latinoam?rica, como parte de nuestro compromiso de masificar Fedora en Latinoam?rica y la comunidad hispano hablante en general. Gracias a toda la comunidad Fedora, a las personas de latinoam?rica y una menci?n especial a Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) de Fedora M?xico quien realiza un excelente trabajo administrando la infraestructura de Proyecto Fedora. Este es mi primera contribuci?n "oficial" para llevar el mensaje Fedora al mundo, y espero, desde este humilde comienzo, que Fedora Colombia no s?lo sea un punto de encuentro para los usuarios de Fedora en Colombia, sino para Latinoam?rica y contribuir -como no- con mucho m?s a Proyecto Fedora. Puede visitar el sitio en: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia Saludos! -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shambo.linux at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 19:43:56 2008 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 01:13:56 +0530 Subject: Introduction as a new member Message-ID: Hi everybody, I am Shambo Bose from India. I have just completed graduation and is preparing for RHCE. I am preparing for RHCE with Fedora 7 . As Fedora Core 3 was my first linux experience on my first computer I always wanted to get involved in the Fedora Project and the chance came after so many years. I want to spread the free spirit of Fedora around the globe by sharing my small time experience which I gathered using Fedora so I joined the ambassador project. I am looking forward to play a small but significant role in Fedora's success in the future. Thank You. Yours sicerely Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am looking forward to play a small but > significant role in Fedora's success in the future. > > > Thank You. > > > > Yours sicerely > > Shambo Bose > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 21:33:42 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:33:42 -0600 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=A1Announcing_Fedora_Colombia!?= In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20809081312o416948a4g6d788d57fb32930d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ad0ab20809081312o416948a4g6d788d57fb32930d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Diego, I am happy to see your web site. I like the idea of Latin America being more practive regarding FOSS an specially regarding Fedora. Keep up the good work. Neville A. Cross Nicaragua https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:yn1v 2008/9/8 Alejandro Acosta : > Congratulations Man, > > These are excellent news, > > Viva Fedora !! > > > > 2008/9/8 Diego Escobar >> >> >> English: >> >> Hi all: >> >> I am pleased to introduce a new website Fedora, the first official in >> Colombia for Fedora Project and one more for "Proyecto Fedora" >> Latinoamerica, as a part of our commitment to spread Fedora on >> latinoamerican and spanish speakers communities. >> >> Thanks to all Fedora Community, to latinoamerican people and a special >> mention for Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) from Fedora Mexico who does a great >> job administrating Proyecto Fedora infraestructure. >> >> This is my first "official" contribution to send the Fedora?s message to >> the world, and I hope from this humble beginning, that Fedora Colombia not >> only is a meeting point for colombian fedora?s users else for latinoamerican >> people and contribute - of course - with much more to Fedora Project. >> >> You can see it on: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia >> >> Greetings! >> >> -- >> Diego Escobar >> Fedora Ambassador for Colombia >> Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Spanish: >> >> Hola a todos: >> >> Tengo el placer de presentarles un nuevo sitio Web de Fedora, el primero >> oficial en Colombia y uno m?s para Proyecto Fedora Latinoam?rica, como parte >> de nuestro compromiso de masificar Fedora en Latinoam?rica y la comunidad >> hispano hablante en general. >> >> Gracias a toda la comunidad Fedora, a las personas de latinoam?rica y una >> menci?n especial a Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) de Fedora M?xico quien realiza un >> excelente trabajo administrando la infraestructura de Proyecto Fedora. >> >> Este es mi primera contribuci?n "oficial" para llevar el mensaje Fedora al >> mundo, y espero, desde este humilde comienzo, que Fedora Colombia no s?lo >> sea un punto de encuentro para los usuarios de Fedora en Colombia, sino para >> Latinoam?rica y contribuir -como no- con mucho m?s a Proyecto Fedora. >> >> Puede visitar el sitio en: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia >> >> Saludos! >> >> -- >> Diego Escobar >> Fedora Ambassador for Colombia >> Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Linux User # 473217 From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Mon Sep 8 22:24:49 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:24:49 -0300 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil Releases the Third Online Magazine In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20809081312o416948a4g6d788d57fb32930d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ad0ab20809081312o416948a4g6d788d57fb32930d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C5A631.6070903@yahoo.com.br> The only magazine especialized in Fedora distribution in Brazil release his third online edition. With powerfull stories for his readers, the magazine was released focused in the system utilization for all kind of users, including big enterprises as you can see in our cover story about the migration in the Public Ministery Department in Tocantins state to Fedora, as for Desktop users with stories about MPlayer, Pidgin, Ogg Vorbis and others. Included you can find the second article about System Config Tools for Fedora, last article about Port Knocking and the third story about the Introdution to Shell Script. Enjoy. Special thanks to Paul Frield who wrote our Editorial and you can find in English and translated to Portuguese. This release we have a big promotion togheter with Mozilla team, wrote some news about the Fedora Brasil Magazine release in our blog/site and fill our form. The winners will receive some suvenirs as bottons, stickers and t-shirts. The editorial team is composed for Fedora Ambassadors and members of the Fedora Comunity who take care of the content, artwork and revisions. Do you wanna join our team? Acess the following link: http://projetofedora.org/Revista Link to the maganize and sorce files: http://projetofedora.org/Revista Rodrigo Menezes Fedora Amabassador Embaixador do Projeto Fedora http://www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! 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"We work with Red Hat and the community to drive innovation and deliver new features and technologies," Frields said. "Fedora provides a preview of what's coming in RHEL and the enterprise Linux market as a whole."" Rahul From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 10:00:12 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:00:12 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=A1Announcing?= Fedora Colombia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220954412.2658.18.camel@frank-01> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 13:44 -0500, Diego Escobar wrote: > > English: > > Hi all: > > I am pleased to introduce a new website Fedora, the first official in > Colombia for Fedora Project and one more for "Proyecto Fedora" > Latinoamerica, as a part of our commitment to spread Fedora on > latinoamerican and spanish speakers communities. > Congrats... Frank From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue Sep 9 16:26:20 2008 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:26:20 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Steven Moix Message-ID: <1220977580.10870.17.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Hi all, As you can probably see, I'm Steven Moix from Switzerland. Currently I'm a student in engineering at the COMEM department of a Swiss university of applied sciences (HEIG-VD). COMEM stands for ?Communication, Engineeing and Management?, think about it as IT + Economics. I also work as a Linux system administrator at Axianet.ch, the company that I founded with a friend in 2003. This is for the Linux experience part. You can also see my linkedin profile for a more complete background: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Steven/Moix Why join the marketing team: I speak french, so I consult the French news websites. I noticed that there are a lot of Ubuntu news (about one every week), a bit less OpenSuse news (about one every month) but not many Fedora news at all. This is where I want to help. I wrote some articles for some of the major French websites and I still have good contacts with people working there. My idea is to push more Fedora news on these websites to increase the Fedora brand awareness. Any comments? Have a nice day Steven Moix From vfernandezg at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:46:11 2008 From: vfernandezg at gmail.com (Victor Fernandez) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:46:11 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Steven Moix In-Reply-To: <1220977580.10870.17.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> References: <1220977580.10870.17.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Message-ID: <23edaffd0809091046s34d6aa60n18641cc6ce784a70@mail.gmail.com> Good idea Steven, sure I could contribute with my news and blog. Now I'm creating several screencast based in new tchnologies just like ZFS and Containers. Best regards. http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com 2008/9/9, Steven Moix : > Hi all, > > As you can probably see, I'm Steven Moix from Switzerland. Currently I'm > a student in engineering at the COMEM department of a Swiss university > of applied sciences (HEIG-VD). COMEM stands for "Communication, > Engineeing and Management", think about it as IT + Economics. > > I also work as a Linux system administrator at Axianet.ch, the company > that I founded with a friend in 2003. This is for the Linux experience > part. You can also see my linkedin profile for a more complete > background: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Steven/Moix > > > Why join the marketing team: > I speak french, so I consult the French news websites. I noticed that > there are a lot of Ubuntu news (about one every week), a bit less > OpenSuse news (about one every month) but not many Fedora news at all. > This is where I want to help. > > I wrote some articles for some of the major French websites and I still > have good contacts with people working there. My idea is to push more > Fedora news on these websites to increase the Fedora brand awareness. > > Any comments? > > > Have a nice day > Steven Moix > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nihedmm at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:30:12 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:30:12 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_=C2=A1Announcing_Fedora_Colombia!?= In-Reply-To: <1220954412.2658.18.camel@frank-01> References: <1220954412.2658.18.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0809091130t5a222d7frb40eb31d7c06acf7@mail.gmail.com> Good job :) On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 13:44 -0500, Diego Escobar wrote: > > > > English: > > > > Hi all: > > > > I am pleased to introduce a new website Fedora, the first official in > > Colombia for Fedora Project and one more for "Proyecto Fedora" > > Latinoamerica, as a part of our commitment to spread Fedora on > > latinoamerican and spanish speakers communities. > > > > Congrats... > > > Frank > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm really happy that Samuele and Michael have stepped up to the plate this time, it's going to be really hard for us to make a choice! :) ~m From shambo.linux at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 21:05:11 2008 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:35:11 +0530 Subject: Regarding Advertisement of Fedora on TV Message-ID: > > I cant remember correctly ( may be I am wrong) but I think I saw a > advertisement of Linux on television few years back. If I am right, can we > publish a Fedora Advertisement on television? Is it possible? > regards, Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nice thought though :) Jon From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 09:57:59 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:57:59 +0200 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <48C55843.8080804@gmx.de> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> <1220771505.3467.4.camel@redhat> <48C55843.8080804@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200809101158.03779.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Hi Henrik, Am Montag, 8. September 2008 18:52:19 schrieb wonderer: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press#press_kit . > It would be good if everybody could look over it and give corrections > and additional infos. I am only volunteer as the Press Officer for the Fedora EMEA NPO - please remove my Name from the PressKit. > Particularly for the range statistics I look for > information and sources. > Also I can place some more representative press > releases or pictures in. You can find Statistics at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics. For Pictures and Layout you can work together with Artwork Team. And i am sure if you look around you will find Pictures like http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2533876168/in/set-72157605315886766/ and if you ask the owner they will give the right to use it in the PressKit. As i have wrote in the previous Mail, i can imagine the PressKit as a general Source for a Quick Press Overview. The work is not to collect several PressArticles, it is to develop a Message, that Press - who want to know what Fedora is - have a Overview. Press Kit is Marketing Work. I would not put specific PressReleases in it. Important is, what message is to Transport - and the Focus should transport the new 4 Foundations! http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00142.html > if there where "big" projects in business or > communitys it would be fine if someboda can give me more infos about it. There are so many ;) think of OLPC, NASA, Financial Department of Mocambique ... > If anybody has info or was involved in projects where fedora take place > please contact me. I will put the infos in it. I can only say how we handle the Press Work for the Fedora EMEA NPO - we work together with the several EventOwners to put Articles to the Regional Press. For "important" Messages we Release our work through RedHat Press with the help from Andrea Schneider (Regional Marketing Manager Red Hat) to reach a wider propagation. For German Events we have a distribution list where we sent the Releases and they can use it if they want. We have Fedora Contributors who are Editors at the biggest German IT-Portal heise.de and Magazin ct or we have also People at LinuxMagazin who are always interested in new stories. Robert has good Relation to pro-linux.de and so on ... 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URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 13:02:49 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:02:49 +0100 Subject: Testing news.fp.o Message-ID: <507738ef0809100602s54a5fc2dp5296740def52e6cc@mail.gmail.com> Hey, We've got a test instance of wp-mu setup now, and although the software still needs work to integrate it properly with Fedora systems, I want to get people testing the work-flow etc so that when we finally have the software ready to roll in production, we'll be able to get straight to work :) My plan for testing is to a) come up with a list of content that we're going to publish on the site b) devise a work-flow c) get one or two testers for each role in the work-flow d) publish some stories(!) My thoughts on the above are: a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. Mondays: FWN (prepared in the same way as it is now - it works so well! - just published onto the blog) Tuesdays: Fedora Daily Package(?) (We'd need to ask Chris Tyler about this) Wednesdays: Fedora TV video Thursdays: Interview Friday: Team focus (pick a particular team, talk about the work that they're doing, how you can get involved etc) Saturday: Hints/Tips/Tutorials/Docs... Sunday: Take a break!? These are just some rough ideas. I see no reason we couldn't publish more than once on a given day if something interesting came up, or somebody wrote some editorial content, but having a good staple of regular content will help keep people coming to the site frequently. b) I want to make the content as high quality as possible, and I think that having all work published and edited by somebody other than the author, and who has proven to be a competent writer, is a prerequisite for this. With this in mind, I don't think we should use the "Author" role that WordPress offers, but only the "Contributor" and "Editor" roles. Contributors would be able to write posts, but would need to get an editor to publish. Editors could write posts and publish, but would need to follow an honour system and ask another editor to review their work and publish it. Maybe this is overkill, I don't know, but feedback is welcome! c) Volunteers? d) Need to clear up the other areas first. Keep in mind that this is a test-instance, and our work would be liable to disappear at anytime and not promoted to the main site when it starts. For anybody interested in what remains technically, check the ticket at https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178. I'm sure Bret would appreciate any help anybody can offer. Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 13:12:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:42:36 +0530 Subject: Testing news.fp.o In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809100602s54a5fc2dp5296740def52e6cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809100602s54a5fc2dp5296740def52e6cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C7C7C4.4080607@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > My thoughts on the above are: > > a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. What purpose does that serve? My original push for this was to just publish content whenever they are available, tagged appropriately and with a place for comments, perhaps anonymous as well. > > c) Volunteers? I am interested. Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 13:20:28 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:20:28 +0100 Subject: Testing news.fp.o In-Reply-To: <48C7C7C4.4080607@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0809100602s54a5fc2dp5296740def52e6cc@mail.gmail.com> <48C7C7C4.4080607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0809100620u78664e2cua2257abc20da4755@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/10 Rahul Sundaram : > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> >> My thoughts on the above are: >> >> a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. > > What purpose does that serve? My original push for this was to just publish > content whenever they are available, tagged appropriately and with a place > for comments, perhaps anonymous as well. I guess I've been viewing it as a central location to collate a number of the informative projects that are going on around Fedora land. The daily focus provides a sense of stability and reliability, would give us a schedule to work to and ideas to work around. I think FWN already does a fantastic job at gathering the news each week, and I don't think it needs playing with as a model. Thanks to WordPress tags, we can tag content so that people could pick out whatever feeds they wish to follow. If some just want to read FWN and other news items, then they can pick the news tag. >> >> c) Volunteers? > > I am interested. Cool :) From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 07:04:23 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:04:23 -0700 Subject: Testing news.fp.o In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809100620u78664e2cua2257abc20da4755@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809100602s54a5fc2dp5296740def52e6cc@mail.gmail.com> <48C7C7C4.4080607@fedoraproject.org> <507738ef0809100620u78664e2cua2257abc20da4755@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221116663.3331.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:20 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/9/10 Rahul Sundaram : > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > >> > >> My thoughts on the above are: > >> > >> a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. > > > > What purpose does that serve? My original push for this was to just publish > > content whenever they are available, tagged appropriately and with a place > > for comments, perhaps anonymous as well. > > I guess I've been viewing it as a central location to collate a number > of the informative projects that are going on around Fedora land. The > daily focus provides a sense of stability and reliability, would give > us a schedule to work to and ideas to work around. I think you are on the right track. There is a lot of evidence that readers appreciate a news source that is regular and has regularly scheduled content delivery. This doesn't stop us from updating on any subject at any time, it just gives us a minimum framework of what to deliver and when to deliver it. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe like the attached. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4f-features.png Type: image/png Size: 2790 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4f-features.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 12732 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 14:17:41 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:17:41 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting 11 Sept 08 20:00 UTC Message-ID: <48C92885.8060704@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, Let's have our weekly meeting today at 20:00 UTC, thats 15:00 Eastern, 12:00 Pacific. Meet On: irc.freenode.net in channel #fedora-mktg. Working from: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks See you all then, Jack From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 15:21:36 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:51:36 +0530 Subject: Marketing Meeting 11 Sept 08 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <48C92885.8060704@redhat.com> References: <48C92885.8060704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200809112051.36460.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Thursday 11 September 2008 07:47:41 pm Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > Let's have our weekly meeting today at 20:00 UTC, thats 15:00 Eastern, > 12:00 Pacific. And that is like 1:30 AM here in India, which makes it more difficult to attend :( I like the previous time. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 11 15:25:36 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:25:36 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting 11 Sept 08 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <200809112051.36460.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <48C92885.8060704@redhat.com> <200809112051.36460.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C93870.8060603@fedoraproject.org> Kushal Das wrote: > On Thursday 11 September 2008 07:47:41 pm Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Hey Everyone, >> >> Let's have our weekly meeting today at 20:00 UTC, thats 15:00 Eastern, >> 12:00 Pacific. > And that is like 1:30 AM here in India, which makes it more difficult to > attend :( > > I like the previous time. > I don't think 20 UTC is 15 Eastern. I think 15 eastern (3 pm here) is more like 19 or 18 UTC.... I think 20 UTC is 16 eastern. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 15:52:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:52:55 +0000 Subject: Marketing Meeting 11 Sept 08 20:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <48C93870.8060603@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C92885.8060704@redhat.com> <200809112051.36460.kushaldas@gmail.com> <48C93870.8060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221148375.14588.227.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 11:25 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Kushal Das wrote: > > On Thursday 11 September 2008 07:47:41 pm Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Hey Everyone, > >> > >> Let's have our weekly meeting today at 20:00 UTC, thats 15:00 Eastern, > >> 12:00 Pacific. > > And that is like 1:30 AM here in India, which makes it more difficult to > > attend :( > > > > I like the previous time. > > > > I don't think 20 UTC is 15 Eastern. I think 15 eastern (3 pm here) is > more like 19 or 18 UTC.... > > I think 20 UTC is 16 eastern. Right, the Marketing meeting is usually at 19 UTC, 3:00pm Eastern. Someone needs to add a right click "insert time" to the various GUI MUAs, I make mistakes like this constantly. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 11:25 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Kushal Das wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 11 September 2008 07:47:41 pm Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Everyone, >>>> >>>> Let's have our weekly meeting today at 20:00 UTC, thats 15:00 Eastern, >>>> 12:00 Pacific. >>>> >>> And that is like 1:30 AM here in India, which makes it more difficult to >>> attend :( >>> >>> I like the previous time. >>> >>> >> I don't think 20 UTC is 15 Eastern. I think 15 eastern (3 pm here) is >> more like 19 or 18 UTC.... >> >> I think 20 UTC is 16 eastern. >> > > Right, the Marketing meeting is usually at 19 UTC, 3:00pm Eastern. > Someone needs to add a right click "insert time" to the various GUI > MUAs, I make mistakes like this constantly. > > From mdehaan at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 20:21:28 2008 From: mdehaan at redhat.com (Michael DeHaan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:21:28 -0400 Subject: Pitching Fedora to Desktop users who already want Linux Message-ID: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> Sorry for another desktop thread, but I thought this was an interesting data point. This is an interesting data point because I think it's about message and not so much about technical data. I was talking with a user who did not want to look at Fedora or an EL on the desktop where they work for the following reasons, and was looking at using Ubuntu. Naturally knowing that really there is almost no difference in these (Gnome is Gnome) and they didn't even need the non-free codecs, I figured I would pass on the comments in hopes that this would be useful to someone else. Their Comments: (A) Fedora is too much of an upgrade process every six months. This is interesting to me because Ubuntu comes out at about the same rate. I did not think they were talking about LTS releases, but are we pitching the ease of things like preupgrade enough? How do we get more desktop footprint out there -- not just in home users, but also in companies where there is mindshare (and future contributors) to be won? How do we make Fedora seem less fragile even as it tries to be the "best of what works now"? It's clearly a fine desktop. Not much is required in a desktop. The whole phrase is kind of silly even as I mostly just want a web browser and an editor, and most everyone else does too :) (B) Comments that Red Hat, not Fedora, was disinterested in the desktop -- therefore they were less interested in Fedora as they didn't see an investment. Clearly not true. I don't see this being applicable because it's a capable desktop, we invest well in it, and Fedora cares very much about this. Again, how do we pass on that message? Again, nothing technical is IMHO required, it's mostly about dispelling those statements. In the context of fedora-marketing, I'm wondering how we can deal with this image that -- as far as I can not tell, is not descriptive of the distro. The user in question also seemed a bit burned by Fedora 9's upgrade process, which I'll agree -- I got burned too.... something slipped in that one and it's not my job to say where, but I think that left a bit of an impression. (Namely, my grub getting removed/mangled, which is a now closed bz). I have no inspiring conclusions but thought I'd pass on the data points. I want to see Fedora everywhere, corporate desktops and making Microsoft go away seems to be a noble goal (it's free) with huge advantages to Fedora (huge contributer and mindshare base). Let's figure out what it takes to make that happen. --Michael From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 11 20:39:01 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:09:01 +0530 Subject: Pitching Fedora to Desktop users who already want Linux In-Reply-To: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> References: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48C981E5.90508@fedoraproject.org> Michael DeHaan wrote: > Sorry for another desktop thread, but I thought this was an interesting > data point. This is an interesting data point because I think it's > about message and not so much about technical data. > > I was talking with a user who did not want to look at Fedora or an EL on > the desktop where they work for the following reasons, and was looking > at using Ubuntu. Naturally knowing that really there is almost no > difference in these (Gnome is Gnome) and they didn't even need the > non-free codecs, I figured I would pass on the comments in hopes that > this would be useful to someone else. Just in case, codecs are the issue, I am working on something: http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-developers/2008-August/000894.html > Their Comments: > > (A) Fedora is too much of an upgrade process every six months. > This is interesting to me because Ubuntu comes out at about the same > rate. I did not think they were talking about LTS releases, but are we > pitching the ease of things like preupgrade enough? Preupgrade up until recently and perhaps not just yet is not something that just works. It came in late during the Fedora 9 release cycle and it had a few bugs in it still. It was slightly different from the regular Anaconda upgrade experience. It was also a not easily discoverable command line application. All of that is changing * PackageKit has the ability to notify users when a upgrade is available and preupgrade is going to be hooked up to it. The user is something like this: http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-distro-upgrade-notify.png * The whitelist/blacklist magic in Anaconda is split out into yum plugins which Preupgrade will use making the experience more consistent * Number of bugs have been fixed and we should be able to promote this feature to non-technical end users more. In short, I have high hopes that this will resolve one of the classical pain points so far. > > (B) Comments that Red Hat, not Fedora, was disinterested in the > desktop -- therefore they were less interested in Fedora as they didn't > see an investment. Clearly not true. Well, the Red Hat press on this was easily misquoted and there was some amount of dramatization around it. I don't see this being > applicable because it's a capable desktop, we invest well in it, and > Fedora cares very much about this. Again, how do we pass on that > message? Again, nothing technical is IMHO required, it's mostly about > dispelling those statements. > > In the context of fedora-marketing, I'm wondering how we can deal with > this image that -- as far as I can not tell, is not descriptive of the > distro. We recently rewrote our overview to highlight the amount of desktop infrastructure we are investing in. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions Hope that helps. Rahul From mdehaan at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 21:07:40 2008 From: mdehaan at redhat.com (Michael DeHaan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:07:40 -0400 Subject: Pitching Fedora to Desktop users who already want Linux In-Reply-To: <48C981E5.90508@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> <48C981E5.90508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C9889C.3030007@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Michael DeHaan wrote: >> Sorry for another desktop thread, but I thought this was an >> interesting data point. This is an interesting data point because I >> think it's about message and not so much about technical data. >> >> I was talking with a user who did not want to look at Fedora or an EL >> on the desktop where they work for the following reasons, and was >> looking at using Ubuntu. Naturally knowing that really there is >> almost no difference in these (Gnome is Gnome) and they didn't even >> need the non-free codecs, I figured I would pass on the comments in >> hopes that this would be useful to someone else. > > Just in case, codecs are the issue, I am working on something: > > http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-developers/2008-August/000894.html > > >> Their Comments: >> >> (A) Fedora is too much of an upgrade process every six months. >> This is interesting to me because Ubuntu comes out at about the same >> rate. I did not think they were talking about LTS releases, but are >> we pitching the ease of things like preupgrade enough? > > Preupgrade up until recently and perhaps not just yet is not something > that just works. It came in late during the Fedora 9 release cycle > and it had a few bugs in it still. It was slightly different from the > regular Anaconda upgrade experience. It was also a not easily > discoverable command line application. All of that is changing > > * PackageKit has the ability to notify users when a upgrade is > available and preupgrade is going to be hooked up to it. The user is > something like this: > > http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-distro-upgrade-notify.png > > * The whitelist/blacklist magic in Anaconda is split out into yum > plugins which Preupgrade will use making the experience more consistent > > * Number of bugs have been fixed and we should be able to promote this > feature to non-technical end users more. > > In short, I have high hopes that this will resolve one of the > classical pain points so far. > >> >> (B) Comments that Red Hat, not Fedora, was disinterested in the >> desktop -- therefore they were less interested in Fedora as they >> didn't see an investment. Clearly not true. > > Well, the Red Hat press on this was easily misquoted and there was > some amount of dramatization around it. > > I don't see this being >> applicable because it's a capable desktop, we invest well in it, and >> Fedora cares very much about this. Again, how do we pass on that >> message? Again, nothing technical is IMHO required, it's mostly >> about dispelling those statements. >> >> In the context of fedora-marketing, I'm wondering how we can deal >> with this image that -- as far as I can not tell, is not descriptive >> of the distro. > > We recently rewrote our overview to highlight the amount of desktop > infrastructure we are investing in. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview > > Also > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions > > Hope that helps. > > Rahul > All true, I am definitely aware of the Red Hat Contributions page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions#Emerging_Technologies). and we were misquoted somewhat on the desktop front. The ultimate question is what else can be done regarding that /message/ (not features) that we are not already doing. --Michael From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 12 06:34:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:34:59 +0300 Subject: Pitching Fedora to Desktop users who already want Linux In-Reply-To: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> References: <48C97DC8.6040302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48CA0D93.8000504@nicubunu.ro> Michael DeHaan wrote: > > I was talking with a user who did not want to look at Fedora or an EL on > the desktop where they work for the following reasons, and was looking > at using Ubuntu. Naturally knowing that really there is almost no > difference in these (Gnome is Gnome) and they didn't even need the > non-free codecs, I figured I would pass on the comments in hopes that > this would be useful to someone else. There is a ton of things beside GNOME: the amount of included drivers and hardware support, the amount of tutorials and screencasts spread all over the web, the configuration tools etc. Even the hype. > Their Comments: > > (A) Fedora is too much of an upgrade process every six months. > This is interesting to me because Ubuntu comes out at about the same > rate. I did not think they were talking about LTS releases, but are we > pitching the ease of things like preupgrade enough? How do we get I don't think preupgrade makes a difference. If they need to to an upgrade, preupgrade or not, they still have to do the upgrade work. Maybe you have a better change emphasizing that the life of a Fedora release is in fact longer, at about 13 months (release N does not obsolete release N-1, but N-2). > more desktop footprint out there -- not just in home users, but also in > companies where there is mindshare (and future contributors) to be > won? How do we make Fedora seem less fragile even as it tries to be > the "best of what works now"? It's clearly a fine desktop. Not much > is required in a desktop. The whole phrase is kind of silly even as I > mostly just want a web browser and an editor, and most everyone else > does too :) By the contrary, desktop is hard, it needs a lot of polishing and fine tuning. > (B) Comments that Red Hat, not Fedora, was disinterested in the > desktop -- therefore they were less interested in Fedora as they didn't > see an investment. Clearly not true. I don't see this being > applicable because it's a capable desktop, we invest well in it, and > Fedora cares very much about this. Again, how do we pass on that > message? Again, nothing technical is IMHO required, it's mostly about > dispelling those statements. Sorry, but you lose here. Beyond all misquoting, see this relatively recent answer from the Red Hat CEO: "They're [Canonical] primarily a desktop provider. We're primarily a server provider. Those are pretty different skill sets. I welcome Ubuntu everywhere. Let them get desktops all over the place." Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10002150-92.html (but it was all over the web). > In the context of fedora-marketing, I'm wondering how we can deal with > this image that -- as far as I can not tell, is not descriptive of the > distro. I am afraid that even fedora-marketing does not have a clear definition of what Fedora is. Quote from our front page: "Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in free and open source software. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the advancement of free, open software and content. " > I want to see Fedora everywhere, corporate desktops and making Microsoft > go away seems to be a noble goal (it's free) with huge advantages to > Fedora (huge contributer and mindshare base). Let's figure out what it > takes to make that happen. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 06:37:16 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:07:16 +0530 Subject: distributor spin Message-ID: <5ac533d50809122337t547ee2d9j43de92f02e6270b0@mail.gmail.com> i had given an idea about creating a distributor spin and it would be a good way to spread fedora. so lets start working now but it would be my first project so i want a lot of help too -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When i rest everybody stare. ------ From frankly3d at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 10:21:48 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:21:48 +0100 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <48CB6622.3060309@gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50809122337t547ee2d9j43de92f02e6270b0@mail.gmail.com> <48CB6622.3060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221301308.5755.27.camel@frank-01> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 15:05 +0800, Jason Benedict Low wrote: > Good. What is this "distributor spin" about? > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-August/msg00133.html Basically wants to use Fedora as a base for his patented s\w. Which I think goes against all gpl stands for. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 11:03:53 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:03:53 +0800 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <1221301308.5755.27.camel@frank-01> References: <5ac533d50809122337t547ee2d9j43de92f02e6270b0@mail.gmail.com> <48CB6622.3060309@gmail.com> <1221301308.5755.27.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48CB9E19.7090509@gmail.com> Frank Murphy wrote: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-August/msg00133.html > > Basically wants to use Fedora as a base for his patented s\w. > Which I think goes against all gpl stands for. > > > Frank > noted. I think goes against FOSS stands well. -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 18:18:21 2008 From: svetoslav.chukov at gmail.com (Svetoslav P. Chukov) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:18:21 +0300 Subject: What happens with Marketing news beat? Message-ID: Hello all, I am confused because I see the marketing news beat in status "incomplete" for second week. What happened? I would like to contribute some things to that beat but I am not sure if it is alive or dead. So, how to continue in that situation? If I want to contribute to the marketing news beat how to do that? mhydra From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 13 18:57:28 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:57:28 +0100 Subject: What happens with Marketing news beat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0809131157m5d40860x4ac5cea696d1447e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/13 Svetoslav P. Chukov : > Hello all, > I am confused because I see the marketing news beat in status > "incomplete" for second week. What happened? > I would like to contribute some things to that beat but I am not sure > if it is alive or dead. So, how to continue in that situation? If I > want to contribute to the marketing news beat how to do that? I'm not sure who writes it, but the best thing to do is introduce yourself on the news-list and see what they say there. Jon From sparshme5 at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 21:37:06 2008 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:07:06 +0530 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20080913160012.D597B6185F6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080913160012.D597B6185F6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: hi, plz tell it in detail. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to match the > original message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. distributor spin (Arnav Kalra) > 2. Re: distributor spin (Jason Benedict Low) > 3. Re: distributor spin (Frank Murphy) > 4. Re: distributor spin (Jason Benedict Low) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:07:16 +0530 > From: "Arnav Kalra" > Subject: distributor spin > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <5ac533d50809122337t547ee2d9j43de92f02e6270b0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > i had given an idea about creating a distributor spin and it would be a > good > way to spread fedora. so lets start working now but it would be my first > project so i want a lot of help too > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/attachments/20080913/7ed7260a/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:05:06 +0800 > From: Jason Benedict Low > Subject: Re: distributor spin > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <48CB6622.3060309 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi > > Arnav Kalra wrote: > > i had given an idea about creating a distributor spin and it would be > > a good way to spread fedora. so lets start working now but it would be > > my first project so i want a lot of help too > Good. What is this "distributor spin" about? > > -- > Best Regards, > Jason > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:21:48 +0100 > From: Frank Murphy > Subject: Re: distributor spin > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <1221301308.5755.27.camel at frank-01> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 15:05 +0800, Jason Benedict Low wrote: > > > > Good. What is this "distributor spin" about? > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-August/msg00133.html > > Basically wants to use Fedora as a base for his patented s\w. > Which I think goes against all gpl stands for. > > > Frank > > -- > gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( > aMSN: Frankly3D > http://www.frankly3d.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:03:53 +0800 > From: Jason Benedict Low > Subject: Re: distributor spin > To: frankly3d at gmail.com, For discussions about marketing and > expanding > the Fedora user base > Message-ID: <48CB9E19.7090509 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-August/msg00133.html > > > > Basically wants to use Fedora as a base for his patented s\w. > > Which I think goes against all gpl stands for. > > > > > > Frank > > > noted. I think goes against FOSS stands well. > > -- > Best Regards, > Jason > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 14 > ***************************************************** > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Secondary mail:sparshme5 at rediffmail.com Web:- http://sparshme5.googlepages.com http://ambanagari.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 11:07:56 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:07:56 +0800 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50809132140w426a01c4jfe6461a2cc9c3bfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50809132140w426a01c4jfe6461a2cc9c3bfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CCF08C.9030305@fedoraproject.org> Arnav Kalra wrote: > this is not going against FOSS it is spreading FOSS to all and if the > creator wants to have something closed source in his OS he has full > freedom. I only want this not to have a patented spin but to customize > fedora according to one's needs. Isn't Fedora already doing it? There's also Fedora Spin, http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ . If you are talking about like eeeDora type? or you are talking about a spin like centOS off Redhat type? ..... May be you describe a little more of what is in your mind of this distributor spin or you talking about tools to create distributor spin whereby allow any creator have the freedom to place custom proprietor software of his choice? My opinion is, any created spin based on fedora core that consisted closed source or propietor software should not e Fedora Distribution anymore. -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From frankly3d at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 14:24:24 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:24:24 +0100 Subject: Fedora Site(s) Getting Info Message-ID: <1221402264.21551.25.camel@frank-01> Just some thoughts. Might have some merit, might think I'm sniffing chemicals. 1: Bugzilla remove all eol bugs entries, they're not going to be any benefit at this stage. May speed up searching and return more relevant hits. 2: Modify the search page, to be more Fedora specific, incl mailing list archives. Make it easier than google -:- site:xxx.com Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 14:40:10 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:40:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora Site(s) Getting Info In-Reply-To: <1221402264.21551.25.camel@frank-01> References: <1221402264.21551.25.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <1221403210.27183.176.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 15:24 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > Just some thoughts. > Might have some merit, might think I'm sniffing chemicals. > > 1: Bugzilla > remove all eol bugs entries, they're not going to be any benefit at this > stage. May speed up searching and return more relevant hits. No, for 2 reasons: 1) Database indices should take care of versions/bugs no one cares about. 2) Older bugs may contain tribal knowledge. (Yes, it *should* be collected. Not it.) > 2: Modify the search page, to be more Fedora specific, incl mailing list > archives. Make it easier than google -:- site:xxx.com It's meant to be a generic starting page. It may be worth it to come up with a more specific search.fp.o. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Jason Benedict wrote: > From: Jason Benedict > Subject: Re: distributor spin > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:07 AM > Arnav Kalra wrote: > > this is not going against FOSS it is spreading FOSS to > all and if the > > creator wants to have something closed source in his > OS he has full > > freedom. I only want this not to have a patented spin > but to customize > > fedora according to one's needs. > Isn't Fedora already doing it? There's also Fedora > Spin, > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ . If you are talking about > like eeeDora > type? or you are talking about a spin like centOS off > Redhat type? ..... > May be you describe a little more of what is in your mind > of this > distributor spin or you talking about tools to create > distributor spin > whereby allow any creator have the freedom to place > custom proprietor > software of his choice? > > My opinion is, any created spin based on fedora core that > consisted > closed source or propietor software should not e Fedora > Distribution > anymore. > > -- > Best Regards, > Jason > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody > stare. ------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Sep 15 07:06:53 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:06:53 +0200 Subject: distributor spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50808220529x59b69d33je3fb955918dfd33@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50808220529x59b69d33je3fb955918dfd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE098D.4070507@kanarip.com> Arnav Kalra wrote: > i hope to create a distributor spin. in this spin i hope to add a > software with which we can make any type of spin with that software in > conjunction with the everything spin package tree.we could also add > packages from other repos and apps > Hi Arnav, Could you contact the Spin SIG with this particular use case? We love use-cases, you know ;-) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-spins Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From frankly3d at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:34:53 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:34:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora- Ireland Website? Message-ID: <1221471293.2746.41.camel@frank-01> Going back to school on Tuesday. Will have to create a website as part of it, using whatever app is specified. Rather than creating a fictitious site, was thinking of putting together a fedora-Ireland site. Which after the schooling could be used, a basis for Ireland\Fedora users. Looking for some feedback on the idea (1), and the use of the name fedora (2) in a registered domain. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, there is not a single way to choose the domain name, there are in the wild domains like fedora-fr.org, projetofedora.org or fedoraproject.ro. (1) I think if you want the website to be as useful as possible to your users you may want to run a CMS on it (wiki, blog, forum, drupal - something with user-contributed content) which may be outside of the scope for your school project. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:27:20 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:57:20 +0530 Subject: Fedora Distributor Spin Message-ID: <5ac533d50809150527j56193c4cr3f968566c8c61769@mail.gmail.com> It is just like fedora spins except the following main differences : - Inclusion of all RPM repos. - Custom Artwork - Support for all media types - can include any RPM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Sep 15 12:35:22 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:35:22 +0200 Subject: Fedora Distributor Spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50809150527j56193c4cr3f968566c8c61769@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50809150527j56193c4cr3f968566c8c61769@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE568A.4080001@pingoured.fr> Arnav Kalra wrote: > It is just like fedora spins except the following main differences : > - can include any RPM As far as I know, any of the RPM present in the official repositories, not from other repositories. Regards, Pierre From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Sep 15 12:35:22 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:35:22 +0200 Subject: Fedora Distributor Spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50809150527j56193c4cr3f968566c8c61769@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50809150527j56193c4cr3f968566c8c61769@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE568A.4080001@pingoured.fr> Arnav Kalra wrote: > It is just like fedora spins except the following main differences : > - can include any RPM As far as I know, any of the RPM present in the official repositories, not from other repositories. Regards, Pierre From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:33:13 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:33:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora- Ireland Website? In-Reply-To: <1221471293.2746.41.camel@frank-01> References: <1221471293.2746.41.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <1221485593.15154.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 10:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > Going back to school on Tuesday. > Will have to create a website as part of it, > using whatever app is specified. > > Rather than creating a fictitious site, > was thinking of putting together a fedora-Ireland site. > Which after the schooling could be used, > a basis for Ireland\Fedora users. > > Looking for some feedback on the idea (1), and the use of the name > fedora (2) in a registered domain. Note that use of the word "Fedora" in a registered domain requires a trademark license from Red Hat. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:37:03 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:37:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora- Ireland Website? In-Reply-To: <1221485593.15154.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221471293.2746.41.camel@frank-01> <1221485593.15154.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221485823.2746.66.camel@frank-01> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 09:33 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Note that use of the word "Fedora" in a registered domain requires a > trademark license from Red Hat. So I'd need to check with RedHat. Frank > -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:14:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:14:53 -0400 Subject: Fedora- Ireland Website? In-Reply-To: <1221485823.2746.66.camel@frank-01> References: <1221471293.2746.41.camel@frank-01> <1221485593.15154.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221485823.2746.66.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <1221488093.17959.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:37 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 09:33 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > Note that use of the word "Fedora" in a registered domain requires a > > trademark license from Red Hat. > > So I'd need to check with RedHat. The best way of doing that is to bring this to fedora-advisory-board, the Fedora Project Board's public communications and discussion channel. https://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board Of course the Board and I monitor those channels so we will be happy to respond to you there. We would consult Red Hat and, if approved, make the appropriate arrangements. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think if it is Fedora then it should look and feel like Fedora. > * Support for all media types > * can include any RPM -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tataha at eng.uts.edu.au Tue Sep 16 12:43:51 2008 From: tataha at eng.uts.edu.au (Tarek Taha) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:43:51 +1000 Subject: Website to offer Message-ID: Hi, I've noticed a lack of activity in marketing and publicizing Fedora in Australia/ New Zealand so I am offering to host a website on my server (fully functional website, design + domain) and give it to any of the regional ambassadors interested in managing and administrat it. If any of you local guys is interested then contact me to discuss the details. Regards, Tarek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If any of > you local guys is interested then contact me to discuss the details. > > Regards, > Tarek > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tataha at eng.uts.edu.au Tue Sep 16 14:02:41 2008 From: tataha at eng.uts.edu.au (Tarek Taha) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:02:41 +1000 Subject: Website to offer In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60809160645u2e58459by7c1c46b58b7e0881@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60809160645u2e58459by7c1c46b58b7e0881@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry mate, but I was mainly targeting Aus/NZ ambassadors or contributors. Your more than welcome to help in the website, and once the domain is finalized probably I can give you a subdomain like (mainpur.domainname). Regards, Tarek 2008/9/16 Rishikesh Sharma > Hi Tarek, > > I need a website as www.fedora-manipur.org. I would like to manage and > administrate it. Can you help me? > > > Regards, > Rishikesh Sharma > Fedora Ambassador > > 2008/9/16 Tarek Taha > >> Hi, >> >> I've noticed a lack of activity in marketing and publicizing Fedora in >> Australia/ New Zealand so I am offering to host a website on my server >> (fully functional website, design + domain) and give it to any of the >> regional ambassadors interested in managing and administrat it. If any of >> you local guys is interested then contact me to discuss the details. >> >> Regards, >> Tarek >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to provide an app for everyone to create its own spin, you're too late, Revisor is already there (and you should contribute to it :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 16 17:47:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:17:50 +0530 Subject: Distributor Spin In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50809160848v5128adc2r772482d0b2c07a7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50809160848v5128adc2r772482d0b2c07a7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CFF146.90305@fedoraproject.org> Arnav Kalra wrote: > It will look like fedora in most of cases except when the maker > wants too much customization. It will include RPMs from all repos. Go ahead and do it. Repeatedly discussing it here won't accomplish much. Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 02:18:34 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:18:34 -0500 Subject: Website to offer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080917021834.GF27150@gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:43:51PM +1000, Tarek Taha wrote: > I've noticed a lack of activity in marketing and publicizing Fedora in > Australia/ New Zealand so I am offering to host a website on my server > (fully functional website, design + domain) and give it to any of the > regional ambassadors interested in managing and administrat it. If any of > you local guys is interested then contact me to discuss the details. > Please see the full discussion from fedora-advisory-board on a similar topic here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00021.html (including all the followups) It may shed light on the issue, and you'll most likely want to head off to fedora-advisory-board for trademark approval. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My questions are if some > Programmer wanted to "beef up" Fedora 9 or 10 with legal multimedia > codecs (DVD Reader Support, Blu-Ray Reader Support, Windows Media > Support, etc,) does that person have a right to sell it in that manner > to people online or in a store if that Linux was rebranded and all the > Fedora Icons/Themes were changed? You can do that as long as you: - don't call it Fedora and don't claim it is provided by the Fedora project; - don't use the Fedora logos (only logos, the icons/themes are allowed) and trademarks; - you comply with GPL and provide the source code. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 15:41:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:11:53 +0530 Subject: Rebranded Fedora Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D12541.3020202@fedoraproject.org> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm back from my New York Vacation and I was reading up on the latest > Linux news. I read this article on Ubuntu Linux at lxer.com > concerning a "beefed up" Ubuntu with legal multimedia > codecs being sold as a retail product. My questions are if some > Programmer wanted to "beef up" Fedora 9 or 10 with legal multimedia > codecs (DVD Reader Support, Blu-Ray Reader Support, Windows Media > Support, etc,) does that person have a right to sell it in that manner > to people online or in a store if that Linux was rebranded and all the > Fedora Icons/Themes were changed? > > I would like to know so I can post the answer to that on my Linux Blog... > > I can't wait to download the Fedora 10 Beta! :D You don't have to change all the icons and themes. The Fedora trademarks only apply to the name and logo. If you replace fedora-logos package with generic-logos package and call the end result something other than Fedora, you would have satisfied the trademark requirements. We avoid Fedora branding in the default theme just to facilitate such derivatives. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 16:58:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:28:59 +0530 Subject: Video: The history of Fedora Message-ID: <48D13753.9000802@fedoraproject.org> Hi, The history of Fedora, why Red Hat decided to create two different distributions and opportunities for community and customers to participate. Fedora is the Future, now says Greg Dek. Watch the video at http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/09/16/video-the-history-of-fedora/ Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_The_history_of_Fedora Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 17:06:39 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:36:39 +0530 Subject: FUDCon Brno 2008 Message-ID: <48D1391F.1060204@fedoraproject.org> Hi, A report from Max Spevack http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/09/09/fudcon-brno-2008/ "The main session and presentation day of FUDCon was very successful. Approximately 110 people attended, which is about the same level of attendance that FUDCon Boston 2008 and 2007 saw. FUDCon Raleigh 2008 remains the attendance record, at 175. However, leading up to FUDCon Brno, in the back of my mind I was hoping for about 60 people at the hackfest days and 100 at the session day. We beat those estimates, so I was very pleased." Rahul From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 00:57:07 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:27:07 +0530 Subject: distributor spin Message-ID: <5ac533d50809171757j1630e4aakb8d875c5fb78a1d5@mail.gmail.com> I want help on how to do it as i do not know how to create apps. so help please -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Refer http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/05/31/remixing-fedora-7/ Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 15:11:22 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, wonderer wrote: > I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press > and I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a > short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about > fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad > to write one. We had a "Press Kit" for the Fedora 9 release, a nice one-sheet that we would send to press along with a Live USB. I don't know where the source for that went (maybe pfrields has it), but I think it would be good to update/translate it for F10. --Max From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 18 15:19:52 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:19:52 -0400 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> Message-ID: <48D27198.4030609@fedoraproject.org> Hi Max! Max Spevack wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, wonderer wrote: > >> I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press >> and I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a >> short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about >> fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad >> to write one. > > We had a "Press Kit" for the Fedora 9 release, a nice one-sheet that we > would send to press along with a Live USB. > > I don't know where the source for that went (maybe pfrields has it), but > I think it would be good to update/translate it for F10. I have the Scribus source for it here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.sla (the generated PDF is here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.pdf) ~m From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Thu Sep 18 16:53:32 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:53:32 +0200 Subject: press kit In-Reply-To: <48D27198.4030609@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C2AEDE.1000700@gmx.de> <48D27198.4030609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48D2878C.9080400@gmx.de> Hy, >> >>> I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press >>> and I "miss" a press-kit, a lets say "press information document", a >>> short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know >>> about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would >>> be glad to write one. >> >> We had a "Press Kit" for the Fedora 9 release, a nice one-sheet that >> we would send to press along with a Live USB. >> >> I don't know where the source for that went (maybe pfrields has it), >> but I think it would be good to update/translate it for F10. > > I have the Scribus source for it here: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.sla > > (the generated PDF is here: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.pdf) Thanks so far for the press info about F9. I will put stuff out of it an put it into. best regards Henrik From jaa at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 18:01:12 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:01:12 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting TODAY in 1 HOUR Message-ID: <48D29768.7050407@redhat.com> Sorry for the late notice, I'm sick and wasn't on the computer this morning to send out an announcement. Hope some of us can make it. #fedora-mktg on irc.freeenode.net Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 18:16:04 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:16:04 -0700 Subject: Marketing Meeting TODAY in 1 HOUR In-Reply-To: <48D29768.7050407@redhat.com> References: <48D29768.7050407@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080809181116p1dc9156agcd7a3edc52f0667d@mail.gmail.com> Argh. Have to go into work early. Will see if I can scale the firewall and get into IRC, but no guarantees. Larry Cafiero On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Sorry for the late notice, I'm sick and wasn't on the computer this morning > to send out an announcement. > > Hope some of us can make it. > > #fedora-mktg on irc.freeenode.net > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 07:40:48 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:10:48 +0530 Subject: Firefox and EULA Message-ID: <48D4A900.3020700@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080917045510597 http://lockshot.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/firefox-eula-in-linux-distributions/ "They viewed the EULA as improperly imposing restrictions on the use of Firefox. Red Hat and Fedora were staunch advocates for making a change, and helped us understand the problem and potential fixes. Upon review, they were right." Rahul From leo.chad at yahoo.com.au Sat Sep 20 08:21:44 2008 From: leo.chad at yahoo.com.au (Chad Leo) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Website to offer Message-ID: <312582.23151.qm@web46201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ? Hi Tarek, Thanks for the kind offer, but I don?t think the problem in promoting Fedora is in a website as Fedora?s website have all information and is suitable as a professional face for Fedora thanks for the great effort the web designers and graphic guys put in. What I propose is to get to meet each others here and make a plan to promote Fedora the way it should. I, Jean Christophe and Mark Sherman was planning for a major event so we hope you could be with us as well. The planning is still on its very first beginning so you are greatly welcome. ? Regards, ?? Chadi ----- Original Message ---- From: Tarek Taha To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Sent: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008 10:43:51 PM Subject: Website to offer Hi, ?? I've noticed a lack of activity in marketing and publicizing Fedora in Australia/ New Zealand so I am offering to host a website on my server (fully functional website, design + domain) and give it to any of the regional ambassadors interested in managing and administrat it. If any of you local guys is interested then contact me to discuss the details.. Regards, Tarek Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Come join us as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. Official winning order: Solar InvinXble Gears Neon From linux.usrs at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 02:21:16 2008 From: linux.usrs at gmail.com (Charles Peng) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:21:16 +0800 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: I prefer Solar I like this theme so much On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving > away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics > for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. > When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with > staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided > to blast off into space and go Solar. > > We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates > we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown > frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but > neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us > as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. > > > Official winning order: > Solar > InvinXble > Gears > Neon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel.fedora at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 04:00:01 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:00:01 +0600 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep. I loved Solar too. One of the gorgeous art work, I have ever seen. 2008/9/24 Charles Peng > I prefer Solar > > I like this theme so much > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Michael Beckwith < > michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving >> away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics >> for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. >> When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with >> staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided >> to blast off into space and go Solar. >> >> We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates >> we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown >> frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but >> neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us >> as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. >> >> >> Official winning order: >> Solar >> InvinXble >> Gears >> Neon >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am looking forward to the release date of Fedora 10 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ricky Zhou wrote: > >> On 2008-09-24 02:27:28 PM, Charles Peng wrote: >> >>> yes, thanks for all the hard work done by the Art Team! >>> >>> But I really hope that the Solar theme to be the default theme of Fedora >>> 10 >>> >> In case it wasn't clear, the Solar theme will be the default theme for >> F10, as decided by the vote :-) >> > > Indeed, and it will be used after the replacement of a potentially tainted > source photo (a moon image) and a little additional polishing (GRUB screen > and such). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From patrik.cevela at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 09:51:20 2008 From: patrik.cevela at gmail.com (Patrik Cevela) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:51:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <108fe3f0809240110x373a034eu8d12ec6d94dee7c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <20080924063216.GD22428@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <48D9E251.1070903@nicubunu.ro> <108fe3f0809240110x373a034eu8d12ec6d94dee7c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48da0dbd.02a1660a.0b40.54e5@mx.google.com> Definetly Solar J From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of CyberSpy Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:11 AM To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme I'm really excited to see the Solar theme as the default as well. Kudos to everyone involved on Art Team and those that contributed entries as well, my fedora is tipped to you all. __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3466 (20080923) __________ Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.sk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 13:15:13 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:45:13 +1930 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48da0dbd.02a1660a.0b40.54e5@mx.google.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <20080924063216.GD22428@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <48D9E251.1070903@nicubunu.ro> <108fe3f0809240110x373a034eu8d12ec6d94dee7c3@mail.gmail.com> <48da0dbd.02a1660a.0b40.54e5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809240615v4b44e220tffdc83d660777a99@mail.gmail.com> solar should be the default theme... if not, then why we made a vote? don't think properly to have 2 themes to one fedora... just my though 2008/9/25 Patrik Cevela > Definetly Solar J > > > > *From:* fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: > fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *CyberSpy > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:11 AM > *To:* For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > *Subject:* Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme > > > > I'm really excited to see the Solar theme as the default as well. Kudos to > everyone involved on Art Team and those that contributed entries as well, my > fedora is tipped to you all. > > > > __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3466 > (20080923) __________ > > > > Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.sk > > > __________ Informacia od ESET Smart Security, verzia databazy 3466 > (20080923) __________ > > Tuto spravu preveril ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.sk > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 14:12:30 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:12:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809240615v4b44e220tffdc83d660777a99@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <20080924063216.GD22428@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <48D9E251.1070903@nicubunu.ro> <108fe3f0809240110x373a034eu8d12ec6d94dee7c3@mail.gmail.com> <48da0dbd.02a1660a.0b40.54e5@mx.google.com> <27a6293b0809240615v4b44e220tffdc83d660777a99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080924141230.GB17249@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-09-25 08:45:13 AM, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > solar should be the default theme... if not, then why we made a vote? > > don't think properly to have 2 themes to one fedora... just my though Solar will be the default theme, as decided by the vote. I don't think it was said anywhere that there would be two default themes. 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The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided > to blast off into space and go Solar. > > We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates > we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown > frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but > neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us > as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. > > > Official winning order: > Solar > InvinXble > Gears > Neon > My favorite is Solar theme. Best regards, -- Ricardo Ichizo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:50:08 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:50:08 -0500 Subject: F10 Default Theme clarification Message-ID: <48DA7DD0.3040200@gmail.com> In case my announcement was not the clearest in wording, Solar is in fact the winning design, and will be getting pushed further in the polish. See the numbers and results for the vote at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 19:20:38 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:50:38 +0530 Subject: Ease Linux Deployments With Cobbler Message-ID: <48DA9306.3080101@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3773596 " Cobbler is a new project from Red Hat that aims to provide turnkey support for provisioning kickstart installs and setting up the needed services to load your systems. Cobbler supports new installations ? both physical and virtual ? and reinstalls of existing systems. Cobbler?s main use is to provide a network booting environment via PXE, but for reinstalls and virtual machines a client-side program called Koan helps out. If you are reinstalling a system, grub will be configured to boot the installation environment. If you are creating a virtual machine, Koan will configure and start the new instance. Koan can create Xen, KVM, and VMWare images, and you don?t need to worry about the details or differences between them. Cobbler includes both a Web GUI and a command line client to manipulate resources such as systems and profiles." Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 19:57:53 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine Message-ID: I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested in participating in such a project? --g From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 20:05:10 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:35:10 +0530 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DA9D76.8030003@fedoraproject.org> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the > Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people > here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > interested in participating in such a project? I am assuming you are primarily interested in hearing opinion from people outside of Red Hat but yes I would love to be part of such a project. I even suggested it a while back but if now is the right time, let's do it. Rahul From david at gnsa.us Wed Sep 24 20:10:14 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:10:14 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? > > --g At first blush is sounds like a great idea, and would be a fascinating project to get involved with. From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 20:12:28 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:12:28 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I think it's a pretty cool idea, and something I'd love to be involved in. My only concern would be whether this would be too close to the plans I have for news.fp.o site? We'll eventually get that running, I swear! Jon From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:13:04 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:13:04 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm going to answer this is two ways: Yes, this is a wonderful idea, and I'm wildly in support of it :) No, I wouldn't personally have time to spend in such an endeavor. :( > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? Given unlimited hours in the day, I would participate. Make it so, Mr. Time Machine! :) From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:15:45 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:15:45 -0300 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67d66b7b0809241315x55222980wedd1485f03092e6e@mail.gmail.com> Greg Certainly that it would have interest of the Fedora community in helping to produce content for the Red Hat Magazine. I believe that many other people would have interest in helping with this project. Erick Goes On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? > > --g > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 20:17:08 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg : >> >> I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. >> >> If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora >> community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and >> producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat >> Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I think it's a pretty cool idea, and something I'd love to be involved in. > > My only concern would be whether this would be too close to the plans > I have for news.fp.o site? We'll eventually get that running, I swear! So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? --g From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 20:30:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:30:08 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> > So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a > sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running > the news.fp.o beat. > > Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! Jon From gdk at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 20:41:16 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a >> sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running >> the news.fp.o beat. >> >> Is that something you might be interested in? > > How do you mean a sub-brand? > > I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like > a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 > times a week, and I think by building from existing content that > already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't > know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. > > My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central > location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and > promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora > tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making > Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone > project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. > I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being > able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic > resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a > whole lot of headaches! So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not... --g From smooge at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:47:02 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:47:02 -0600 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, etc.. Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 20:53:53 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:53:53 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DAA8E1.5090504@fedoraproject.org> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a >>> sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're >>> running >>> the news.fp.o beat. >>> >>> Is that something you might be interested in? >> >> How do you mean a sub-brand? >> >> I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like >> a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 >> times a week, and I think by building from existing content that >> already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't >> know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. >> >> My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central >> location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and >> promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora >> tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making >> Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone >> project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. > > This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. > It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. > >> I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. >> Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really >> fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save >> Bret a whole lot of headaches! > > So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the > same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not... Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show fedora tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, something like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to news.fpo? ~m From marquezc2005 at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:58:34 2008 From: marquezc2005 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rafael_M=E1rquez?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:58:34 -0600 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I prefer InvinXble :) -- Att, Rafael M?rquez Castro Linux User # 440816 Visita: fedora-ni.net mifedoracore.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 21:07:11 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:07:11 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0809241407h28a0d66ax9c243e68afa2d0a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a >>> sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're >>> running >>> the news.fp.o beat. >>> >>> Is that something you might be interested in? >> >> How do you mean a sub-brand? >> >> I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like >> a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 >> times a week, and I think by building from existing content that >> already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't >> know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. >> >> My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central >> location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and >> promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora >> tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making >> Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone >> project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. > > This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's > a set of tradeoffs, I think. > >> I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being >> able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic >> resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole >> lot of headaches! > > So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same > infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not.. I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will still be created whatever we decide to do. The strongest part of this idea, imho, is enabling greater collaboration between two parties who are both interested in creating Fedora related content. Jon From wdc at MIT.EDU Wed Sep 24 21:15:38 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (Bill Cattey) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:15:38 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222290938.18470.0.camel@gorf.mit.edu> +1 This concern makes a great deal of sense to me. I think there's some latent brand expectation going on. -Bill Cattey MIT On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 14:47 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > etc.. > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? > > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 21:57:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:57:45 +0000 Subject: Lessons learned from five years of Fedora In-Reply-To: <48DA75E9.1030904@fedoraproject.org> References: <48DA75E9.1030904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222293465.16823.101.camel@victoria-eth> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 22:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=111 > > "The most valuable thing I?ve learned watching Fedora is this: Patience. > It takes time and steady, incremental growth to build a solid community. > If you?d asked me two years into Fedora?s development whether the > project would succeed, I?d have been somewhat skeptical, but looking at > the project five years down the road, I?m convinced." This was a very generous and friendly article from Joe Brockmeier, the OpenSuSE community manager, and I thanked him for it personally and told him I'll be happy to return the sentiment on OpenSuSE's 5th birthday. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gnomeuser at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 00:25:21 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:25:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809241725h2cdaf9e1of3f6a84a9785bbef@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Rafael M?rquez > I prefer InvinXble :) > Me too, but done is done and hey it's not like our opinion counted anyways given that the vote was closed to the art team. 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Another reason for choosing Solar is the copyright issues surrounding the use of images in the InvinXble theme without proper permission. Rahul From anoochit at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 01:08:25 2008 From: anoochit at gmail.com (Anoochit Chalothorn) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:08:25 +0700 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48DAE3F3.1080107@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> <1dedbbfc0809241725h2cdaf9e1of3f6a84a9785bbef@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE3F3.1080107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7f5a764e0809241808w5b2e0bau15ed37ac284cb7f8@mail.gmail.com> To all I like Solar so much :) Anuchit Chalothorn 2008/9/25 Rahul Sundaram : > David Nielsen wrote: >> >> >> 2008/9/24 Rafael M?rquez > > >> >> I prefer InvinXble :) >> >> >> Me too, but done is done and hey it's not like our opinion counted anyways >> given that the vote was closed to the art team. > > People doing the work get the final say as with everything else but > everyone's feedback is welcome. > > That is not to >> >> say Solar isn't pretty as well though. > > Another reason for choosing Solar is the copyright issues surrounding the > use of images in the InvinXble theme without proper permission. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From oisinfeeley at imapmail.org Thu Sep 25 02:42:49 2008 From: oisinfeeley at imapmail.org (Oisin Feeley) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:42:49 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222310569.16872.1275842861@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT), "Greg Dekoenigsberg" said: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the > Red > Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > interested in participating in such a project? That sounds like something with which I'd be very interested in being involved. Part of that interest is based on my perception that Red Hat Magazine does a great job of transmitting information from the original sources so well, for example the articles on SELinux[1] and Func and Cobbler[2]. RHM is also a useful one-stop-shop for information from Red Hat events[3]. Material "from the horse's mouth" is hard to get hold of and is one of RHM's strengths. Do you think this could continue with a re-jigged RHM? Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? 1. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/02/writing-policy-for-confined-selinux-users/ 2. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/10/cobbler-how-to-set-up-a-network-boot-server-in-10-minutes/ http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/08/open-source-systems-management-two-conferences-two-talks/ 3. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/06/27/red-hat-summit-session-slides-and-links/ -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 03:37:05 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:22:05 +0545 Subject: Sent Cds' to Himanchal pradesh Message-ID: Hello Rajan, Sorry for the late reply. I was extremely busy in the SFD08 program. We have celebrated a lot and hope everyone did. We have a group here and please guys join us @ groups.google.com/group/nixdharan. I have sent you: 30 CDs of Fedora (5 cd per distro *6 distros) 1 Net install CD Total 31 CDs. 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I would need to have an understanding of how RHM goes about populating content now. Is it (a) RHM editors have to do heavy cultivating of original content by reaching into the RH corporate communication channels or corporate water-cooler backchannels to persuade RH employees to write content or in some way contract people to submit article? or is it (b)Submissions come in organicly for editorial review and the editors essentially pick and mold articles from the que? If its (a) we'll need to have discussion about how a public, volunteer editorial board would be able to do content cultivation without reaching for RH corporate channels to solicit people for content. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 25 06:21:34 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:21:34 +0300 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809241407h28a0d66ax9c243e68afa2d0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241407h28a0d66ax9c243e68afa2d0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DB2DEE.7080806@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is > creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) RHM is using Lyceum, *another* multi user fork of WP. > One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been > working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of > setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as > blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will > still be created whatever we decide to do. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From irashadul at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 06:39:34 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:39:34 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <48DB2DEE.7080806@nicubunu.ro> References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241407h28a0d66ax9c243e68afa2d0a@mail.gmail.com> <48DB2DEE.7080806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <17fa59580809242339h7d2f207dn2fcaa2add688131e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Greg: Please explore the job description of RHM ? Regards, Rashadul Islam On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> >> I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is >> creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) >> > > RHM is using Lyceum, *another* multi user fork of WP. > > One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been >> working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of >> setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as >> blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will >> still be created whatever we decide to do. >> > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, it think a more important question is: how the job description will change after this opening? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 07:36:18 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:36:18 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <293d1f710809242145k23cf1801r3d8e3d17918bcd58@mail.gmail.com> References: <293d1f710809242145k23cf1801r3d8e3d17918bcd58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0809250036n2503cb03o8a691852fc7f239@mail.gmail.com> > Just to say, great idea!!!!!!......will be very much interested to be > involved with. One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own tool. Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less interested because it's community run? So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing with just the two of us! I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... Jon From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 08:36:57 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35324.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222331817.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora >> community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying >> and >> producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red >> Hat >> Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? >> >> I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial >> meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be >> interested >> in participating in such a project? > > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > etc.. > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? Definitely. I'd rather see a Fedora Magazine too. It can use the same infrastructure, but make it as independant as possible to the eyes of readers (ie: not a *.redhat.com URL, Fedora look and feel, ...). We should try to separate the two brands. Of course RedHat is liable for Fedora, but if we use the RHM, we'll be seen as a RedHat product (which we don't want right ?). The recent "incident" already hurt the independance of the Fedora Community. Let's not perpetuate this situation. Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From aadarsh.b at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 08:56:27 2008 From: aadarsh.b at gmail.com (Bhardwaj, Aadarsh) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:56:27 -0700 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <35324.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222331817.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <80d7e4090809241347gf9ceff2h30c2b7d9b5e31e6f@mail.gmail.com> <35324.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222331817.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: It is really a great idea, I would suggest that if we could start Fedora Magazine On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > >> community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > >> and > >> producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red > >> Hat > >> Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > >> > >> I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > >> meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > >> interested > >> in participating in such a project? > > > > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > > etc.. > > > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? > > Definitely. > > I'd rather see a Fedora Magazine too. It can use the same infrastructure, > but make it as independant as possible to the eyes of readers (ie: not a > *.redhat.com URL, Fedora look and feel, ...). > > We should try to separate the two brands. Of course RedHat is liable for > Fedora, but if we use the RHM, we'll be seen as a RedHat product (which we > don't want right ?). > > The recent "incident" already hurt the independance of the Fedora > Community. Let's not perpetuate this situation. > > Regards, > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > French Fedora Ambassador > > ---------- > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "A positive attitude can really make dreams come true -- it did for me" With Regards, Aadarsh B Voice: (+62) 817 925 1607 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea > very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own > tool. > > Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less > interested because it's community run? > > So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and > the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy > this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing > with just the two of us! > > I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... It may be because RHM is already an established brand with a corporate link and a certain audience, so writing for it gives you more prestige. Or maybe because RHM used to pay for contributions? Probably is just because it is already running and working, not a "TO DO" item. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From irashadul at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 10:19:16 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:19:16 -0400 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <48DB62C3.9030003@nicubunu.ro> References: <293d1f710809242145k23cf1801r3d8e3d17918bcd58@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250036n2503cb03o8a691852fc7f239@mail.gmail.com> <48DB62C3.9030003@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <17fa59580809250319w52026d8au53ec2eddbd98ae73@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of >> enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with >> a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea >> very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own >> tool. >> >> Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less >> interested because it's community run? >> >> So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and >> the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy >> this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing >> with just the two of us! >> >> I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... >> > > It may be because RHM is already an established brand with a corporate link > and a certain audience, so writing for it gives you more prestige. Or maybe > because RHM used to pay for contributions? > > Probably is just because it is already running and working, not a "TO DO" > item. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 nicu Fedora has all the resource to publish Fedora Magazine on its own. But, RHM is well known and it has already the corporate link, no doubt on that. More than, it could be a great way to promote / market Fedora along with RHM. -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would > need to have an understanding of how RHM goes about populating content > now. > Is it > (a) RHM editors have to do heavy cultivating of original content by > reaching into the RH corporate communication channels or corporate > water-cooler backchannels to persuade RH employees to write content or > in some way contract people to submit article? > > or is it > (b)Submissions come in organicly for editorial review and the editors > essentially pick and mold articles from the que? > > If its (a) we'll need to have discussion about how a public, volunteer > editorial board would be able to do content cultivation without > reaching for RH corporate channels to solicit people for content. I think we should try to get the current RHM editorial team into a Fedora Marketing meeting to chat about these sorts of topics. --Max From lucas at cefetce.br Thu Sep 25 14:31:14 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:31:14 -0300 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <7f5a764e0809241808w5b2e0bau15ed37ac284cb7f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> <1dedbbfc0809241725h2cdaf9e1of3f6a84a9785bbef@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE3F3.1080107@fedoraproject.org> <7f5a764e0809241808w5b2e0bau15ed37ac284cb7f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I like Neon :) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Anoochit Chalothorn wrote: > To all > > I like Solar so much :) > > > Anuchit Chalothorn > > > 2008/9/25 Rahul Sundaram : > > David Nielsen wrote: > >> > >> > >> 2008/9/24 Rafael M?rquez >> > > >> > >> I prefer InvinXble :) > >> > >> > >> Me too, but done is done and hey it's not like our opinion counted > anyways > >> given that the vote was closed to the art team. > > > > People doing the work get the final say as with everything else but > > everyone's feedback is welcome. > > > > That is not to > >> > >> say Solar isn't pretty as well though. > > > > Another reason for choosing Solar is the copyright issues surrounding the > > use of images in the InvinXble theme without proper permission. > > > > Rahul > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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Having a secondary wordmark, a community-usable mark for derivative spins, will help drive more interest in Fedora. It enables a slew of use cases, some of which I've outlined in a draft of new trademark guidelines here, which are under review by Red Hat's legal department: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines I made a couple drafts using one of the proposed word marks, "Fueled by Fedora," which got a lot of positive response when I floated it around to different community members. Another great suggestion is "Fedora Remix." We will *not* use something tired like "Based on Fedora," nor awkward or jargon-laden, like "Derived from Fedora" or "Contains Fedora RPMs." If anyone's got a great suggestion, I'll take it under advisement and a good design will have some weight too. So far the two phrases I suggested above are the only ones that have had significant flash value to me and the other people who've heard them. The actual text of the mark will ultimately come down to three deciding bodies: the Fedora Board, Red Hat Legal, and the FPL (me). The pros and cons of each of these phrases: "Fueled by Fedora": + Alliteration, which we love. + I like the idea that the community is an eco-friendly, renewable, and healthy resource - May not translate well - Maybe fueling something is not a clear indication of how Fedora relates to X. "Fedora Remix": + Relies on the "remix" idea that we firmly established in F7 + Pushes our tools -- we can establish remix.fp.o, for example ? May not translate, but many cultures may simply use the word "remix" and therefore a single wordmark serves everyone equally - Might be jargon, and therefore doesn't promote a community feeling -- leaves out people who aren't "in the know" Please feel free to respond to this thread with your suggestions -- and also, dump them to the wiki URL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design I've asked the Artwork team to look at the designs there and work up a few more with their FAR superior skills! :-) Thanks for your time everyone, and I hope you enjoy the opportunity to open Fedora up to a whole new group of contributors and community members! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:07:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:07:31 -0800 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > I think we should try to get the current RHM editorial team into a Fedora > Marketing meeting to chat about these sorts of topics. Trademark and branding concerns may make the need for such a conversation a non-starter. But in the context of Greg's original question, I think you are right. If we are going to produce Fedora content using the RHM voice, we'd need to have a reasonably good understanding as to what has been successful strategies for cultivating RHM content, and what strategies haven't worked. I'm concerned that the underlying problem for us isn't the infrastructure but we haven't yet hit on a volunteer sustainable process by which we cultivate content. If all we wanted was to fill space with opinion-mongering. I'm your man. I'll get off the board by the end of the calendar year and dedicate the time I've set aside for fab email to writing poorly punctuated editorial screeds meant for Fedora magazine content. But you know what? I think that is exactly the sort of content you want to avoid as much as possible. If we want to set a higher bar than that, where we aim for some technical meat then I'm not sure we figured out how to cultivate that material. For example. a cleaned up version of Leenart's "Guide to Sound APIs" now appearing on his blog would be something I could see being lifted up into a magazine article. But since its already on his blog, is it no longer worth trying to recirculate in a dedicated magazine since the intended audience has already seen it on the planet? My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way to make use of gatherings of community members as significant generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, how much content could have been generated from personal conversations via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 16:15:09 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:15:09 +0100 Subject: Reminder: Fedora Marketing Meeting today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0809250915t1fbaeaf8le3ba028a8f439fb7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > 3pm Eastern US time. #fedora-mktg on freenode. Be there. ;) Heh, after all the discussions earlier today, this is a meeting I'd very much love to be at - but alas I probably can't. My brother is getting married on Saturday, and family and friends are starting to arrive this evening. I think we'd planned to talk about general strategy rather than work through the task list this week, so here are a couple of issues I'd have liked to talk about, and my thoughts on them: news.fp.o ======== I don't care whose infrastructure we use, but I want to get this going soon. The vital ingredients (heh, you'd never guess I've just been cooking for seven!) from my point of view are: * We need to keep the Fedora brand separate from Red Hat's here. I want this to be a central place where users can turn to for information about *Fedora*, with content created openly in the community. * I'd like it to be a space owned by the community. I'd welcome contributions from RH pros, but, this is a project that I really think we could build community involvement with mktg from. Open governance, like any other Fedora Project, would probably play a key role. * Let's take into consideration any plans for the wider project that might want to be using blogs, before deciding what infrastructure we use. Some useful mailing list references where I've further expressed my views: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00052.html Time Based Marketing Plan ======================= The plan we created earlier in the year was useful and helped us to solidify what we were going to be pushing as the 'image' of Fedora. Where I think it failed was that we didn't get many practical applications out of it. What I've suggested in the past is a time based marketing plan, based around a release cycle. This would give us specific marketing tasks and messages to talk about, providing plenty of practical use. Here's a useful link on this: http://markmail.org/message/curqem2xfia454pj Interviews ======== Yeah, I'm a little behind with these so far this release, but I do have some lined up. Would you believe, life is pretty busy in the build up to a wedding!! Anybody interested in doing these should just do it, though maybe check with me that I haven't talk to the relevant developers already, as I can then make introductions rather than approaching them twice. Fedora TV ========= Kushal is rocking with this, just wanted to say great job :) Fedora Media Stories =================== Rather than just posting these to the list, we should put them on a wiki page. Also, we need to try and start digging more often again... seems like we made good progress getting wider appreciation for Fedora a while ago, but now it's died back again. I think that's everything, sorry for the long, slightly ranty(?) email! /me gets back to cooking. Jon From vaish.rajan at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:16:53 2008 From: vaish.rajan at gmail.com (rajan vaish) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:46:53 +0530 Subject: Sent Cds' to Himanchal pradesh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8140ab7e0809250916u1e6330c5q36d4e73e302f773e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lots Tushar,really appreciate it !. I'l acknowledge when CD's reach here .Rajan 091 - 923 550 3181 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Tushar Neupaney wrote: > Hello Rajan, > > Sorry for the late reply. I was extremely busy in the SFD08 program. We > have celebrated a lot and hope everyone did. > > We have a group here and please guys join us @ > groups.google.com/group/nixdharan. > > I have sent you: > > 30 CDs of Fedora (5 cd per distro *6 distros) > 1 Net install CD > > Total 31 CDs. > > To Guys in himanchal pradesh, India. Hope this work will count and spread > Linux around the globe. > > PS: I don't know how to track the parcel in the courier. The service is GMS > and the tracking code is 100852097. Hope some one will find out a way. > > Wishes, > > Tushar. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:22:03 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:22:03 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809250922u56c3fa9eh4c8269bb890a543@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Solar Now that Solar is selected. I would like to humbly suggest that we attempt to make a connection in our F10 release press materials to the International Heliophysical Year events. Nothing overly science geeked out, but a shout out the scientific research community participating in the IHY activities would make a lot of sense to me. And not because I'm technically one of those people. http://ihy2007.org/ Yeah it says 2007, but they really mean 2007-2009.. who knew that Heliophysical years are twice as long as Earth years. -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 16:35:57 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:35:57 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> > If all we wanted was to fill space with opinion-mongering. I'm your > man. I'll get off the board by the end of the calendar year and > dedicate the time I've set aside for fab email to writing poorly > punctuated editorial screeds meant for Fedora magazine content. But > you know what? I think that is exactly the sort of content you want to > avoid as much as possible. Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora related content. Not all of the content suggestions I've made have been technical, but *all* of them are already being produced consistently by people in the community, or have been at some point in the past, and all that we need is a central location to pull all of this together. Having a skilled team of writers and editors, of which a number already exist within Fedora, will help to lift this content to even higher levels. > > My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way > to make use of gatherings of community members as significant > generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of > time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, > how much content could have been generated from personal conversations > via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press > person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? > Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a > Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you > figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. > Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're almost there with it. I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of what I've said before is frustrating. Even more frustrating is that this conversation has come up now, so close to us being able to launch something. Where was the enthusiasm 6 months ago?! /me ends angry rant, apologies, and heads off to check that parsnips aren't burning > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 16:42:19 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:19 +0100 Subject: Secondary mark wording In-Reply-To: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <507738ef0809250942n6b8955efl41db501384b6fd14@mail.gmail.com> > "Fedora Remix": > + Relies on the "remix" idea that we firmly established in F7 > + Pushes our tools -- we can establish remix.fp.o, for example > ? May not translate, but many cultures may simply use the word "remix" > and therefore a single wordmark serves everyone equally > - Might be jargon, and therefore doesn't promote a community feeling -- > leaves out people who aren't "in the know" We've been pushing the term 're-spin' haven't we? Wouldn't like to confuse the terms. I definitely dig Fuelled By Fedora though :) Jon From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:45:47 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:45:47 -0600 Subject: Secondary mark wording In-Reply-To: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: 2008/9/25 Paul W. Frields : > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > > Hi Marketeers, it's (past?) time we discussed the wording for a > secondary wordmark. Having a secondary wordmark, a community-usable > mark for derivative spins, will help drive more interest in Fedora. It > enables a slew of use cases, some of which I've outlined in a draft of > new trademark guidelines here, which are under review by Red Hat's legal > department: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines > > I made a couple drafts using one of the proposed word marks, "Fueled by > Fedora," which got a lot of positive response when I floated it around > to different community members. Another great suggestion is "Fedora > Remix." > > We will *not* use something tired like "Based on Fedora," nor awkward or > jargon-laden, like "Derived from Fedora" or "Contains Fedora RPMs." If > anyone's got a great suggestion, I'll take it under advisement and a > good design will have some weight too. So far the two phrases I > suggested above are the only ones that have had significant flash value > to me and the other people who've heard them. > > The actual text of the mark will ultimately come down to three deciding > bodies: the Fedora Board, Red Hat Legal, and the FPL (me). > > The pros and cons of each of these phrases: > > "Fueled by Fedora": > + Alliteration, which we love. > + I like the idea that the community is an eco-friendly, renewable, and > healthy resource > - May not translate well > - Maybe fueling something is not a clear indication of how Fedora > relates to X. > > "Fedora Remix": > + Relies on the "remix" idea that we firmly established in F7 > + Pushes our tools -- we can establish remix.fp.o, for example > ? May not translate, but many cultures may simply use the word "remix" > and therefore a single wordmark serves everyone equally > - Might be jargon, and therefore doesn't promote a community feeling -- > leaves out people who aren't "in the know" While I really like 'Fedora Remix', may I suggest 'Powered by Fedora'? I know it's a bit cliche, but would go a long way to being able to have a good market 'Powered by' Fedora. Cheers, Clint From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 16:52:36 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:52:36 -0700 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222361556.3003.50.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:57 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red > Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > interested in participating in such a project? Late to the discussion and obviously biased, but yes. In fact, I have already decided to do that with Dev Fu. I have a draft proposal to the world of communities Red Hat is involved in. The idea is nearly analogous to what you are saying, but I had planned on running it all through myself so as to not have to seek approval. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We migrated to use WP-MU running from wordpress.com; if you look at Dev Fu (http://developer.redhatmagazine.com), there is a Wordpress bar across the top if you are a logged in user. I'll have to talk with Bret to see exactly what are limitations are in sharing content between blog instances. Sharing users is the easy part; we can add people with wordpress.com accounts as writers, editors, etc. I don't believe redhatmagazine.com itself has migrated over, just Dev Fu. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 17:12:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:12:31 -0800 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last > year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've > been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure > quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora > related content. I follow a little. > Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at > FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining > before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together > Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the > last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make > this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're > almost there with it. I'm not suggesting that a RHM "takeover" of the work you are doing. But, maybe an opening of RHM means an opportunity to access to additional resources that can help specifically with the things that are most frustrating. So its good to know exactly what has been frustrating your efforts. But in opening RHM means discovering new resources, or better allocating existing resources, to help specifically with the most frustrating aspects of the community vision, then that would be a good thing right? Subverting corporate assets for community benefit is a beautiful thing. > > I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've > been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these > points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come > along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of > what I've said before is frustrating. Let me assure you, I'm not trying to take credit or trump you or suggest that what you are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, and you get full credit. But at the same time I can't speak for you either. My main concern is just trying to make sure that key ideas as to where help is needed are expressed in the context of this conversation because new people maybe listening with new ears where they had not been paying attention before. If it turns out that people hear me for the first time where they haven't heard you before.... shame on them. If it turns out people are turned off by me...shame on me. If it turns out that I've reinforced what you've been saying all along...great! > > Even more frustrating is that this conversation has come up now, so > close to us being able to launch something. Where was the enthusiasm 6 > months ago?! I'm not overtly enthusiastic, I am cautiously wary. I can't speak to the timing of this conversation on RHM opening up. If RHM does decide to open up, we can't really stop them from doing that. My main concern is having them open up in a way that does not compete with community effort. So if they do open up. I want to know what they think they bring to the table, and what specific problems we need solved and see if there's a good fit for a combined community effort. -jef From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 17:19:55 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:19:55 -0700 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <1222310569.16872.1275842861@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1222310569.16872.1275842861@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1222363195.3003.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 22:42 -0400, Oisin Feeley wrote: > That sounds like something with which I'd be very interested in being > involved. Part of that interest is based on my perception that Red Hat > Magazine does a great job of transmitting information from the original > sources so well, for example the articles on SELinux[1] and Func and > Cobbler[2]. RHM is also a useful one-stop-shop for information from Red > Hat events[3]. Material "from the horse's mouth" is hard to get hold of > and is one of RHM's strengths. Do you think this could continue with a > re-jigged RHM? I doubt it would be a problem, and it would help distinguish the RHM content from FWN/fedoramagazine.org. > Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? This is entirely my vision of how this could work, so take it with that hefty grain of salt. * Consolidate writers and editors of RHM, FWN, and a to-be Fedora Magazine as one virtual team * Create 3.5 distinct web presences: redhatmagazine.com -- as it is right now, just with even more community-focused content fedoramagazine.org -- content that appears in RHM.com tagged as Fedora also appears here. Front page ticker shows FWN. news.fedoraproject.org -- news aggregation that may share some content with *magazine.(com,org) developer.redhatmagazine.com -- same mission as RHM.com, same relationship with fedoramagazine.org, focused on developer content * Work the editorial calendar and such to create a unique voice amongst them, while reducing the work each needs stand-alone. The Red Hat Magazine brand is definitely Red Hat, but it has spent a lot of effort over the years at creating a stand-alone voice within the Red Hat sphere. Dev Fu is in a similar vein. I think there is a lot of room to make a closer association and not lose on the community side, gaining all around. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is room to work with product managers and others to craft "write article for Magazine" in people's goals/part of their job. I would expect that part to be arranged by @redhat.com people, and I don't hear any of them trying to run away from doing that here. In fact, if we can free up more of their time by making a steady content pipeline through a joint venture, they are more likely to be able to do that. Although I'm not speaking for the RHM editors, I was on that team for the first part of this year as a sub-editor for Dev Fu and am familiar with the issues at hand. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But since its already on his > blog, is it no longer worth trying to recirculate in a dedicated > magazine since the intended audience has already seen it on the > planet? > > My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way > to make use of gatherings of community members as significant > generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of > time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, > how much content could have been generated from personal conversations > via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press > person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? > Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a > Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you > figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. You are hitting core parts of the discussion. I've been thinking about this stuff for about two years, with a few failed starts that mainly relied upon me, myself, and I. I can see a *ton* of methods and value to force multiply. Having a larger group of people in a joint community venture would make a big difference. Leenart's blog post is a great example. We have people writing good content for their blog that could be in one of the Magazines. Sometimes they approach us about re-circulating, which is great. Original publication first would be best. Bigger audience for all of us, etc. Like the value the planet brings, but more so. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 17:49:40 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:19:40 +0530 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <1222363195.3003.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222310569.16872.1275842861@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1222363195.3003.63.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <78323d480809251049s1ab49a78x2a2f3d12dff60530@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > >> Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? > > This is entirely my vision of how this could work, so take it with that > hefty grain of salt. > > * Consolidate writers and editors of RHM, FWN, and a to-be Fedora > Magazine as one virtual team > > * Create 3.5 distinct web presences: > redhatmagazine.com -- as it is right now, just with even more > community-focused content > fedoramagazine.org -- content that appears in RHM.com tagged as Fedora > also appears here. Front page ticker shows FWN. I think it will help if we allow contributions on derived distributions and forks too in this section. Some stress on advocacy and details of implementing different types of community/special projects should be in place. Members of the documentation team may also be required to join the fedora Magazine Team. > news.fedoraproject.org -- news aggregation that may share some content > with *magazine.(com,org) > developer.redhatmagazine.com -- same mission as RHM.com, same > relationship with fedoramagazine.org, focused on developer content Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:04:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:04:05 +0000 Subject: Secondary mark wording In-Reply-To: References: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <1222365845.4386.71.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 10:45 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/9/25 Paul W. Frields : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > > > > Hi Marketeers, it's (past?) time we discussed the wording for a > > secondary wordmark. Having a secondary wordmark, a community-usable > > mark for derivative spins, will help drive more interest in Fedora. It > > enables a slew of use cases, some of which I've outlined in a draft of > > new trademark guidelines here, which are under review by Red Hat's legal > > department: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines > > > > I made a couple drafts using one of the proposed word marks, "Fueled by > > Fedora," which got a lot of positive response when I floated it around > > to different community members. Another great suggestion is "Fedora > > Remix." > > > > We will *not* use something tired like "Based on Fedora," nor awkward or > > jargon-laden, like "Derived from Fedora" or "Contains Fedora RPMs." If > > anyone's got a great suggestion, I'll take it under advisement and a > > good design will have some weight too. So far the two phrases I > > suggested above are the only ones that have had significant flash value > > to me and the other people who've heard them. > > > > The actual text of the mark will ultimately come down to three deciding > > bodies: the Fedora Board, Red Hat Legal, and the FPL (me). > > > > The pros and cons of each of these phrases: > > > > "Fueled by Fedora": > > + Alliteration, which we love. > > + I like the idea that the community is an eco-friendly, renewable, and > > healthy resource > > - May not translate well > > - Maybe fueling something is not a clear indication of how Fedora > > relates to X. > > > > "Fedora Remix": > > + Relies on the "remix" idea that we firmly established in F7 > > + Pushes our tools -- we can establish remix.fp.o, for example > > ? May not translate, but many cultures may simply use the word "remix" > > and therefore a single wordmark serves everyone equally > > - Might be jargon, and therefore doesn't promote a community feeling -- > > leaves out people who aren't "in the know" > > While I really like 'Fedora Remix', may I suggest 'Powered by Fedora'? > I know it's a bit cliche, but would go a long way to being able to > have a good market 'Powered by' Fedora. Actually, I just got off a very long call with Red Hat Legal, and as it turns out, they *much* prefer "Fedora Remix." We've used the Remix term extensively from the time of Fedora 7 release -- several films from RH have used it, and it also ties in well with the larger Creative Commons and "remix culture." Plus, from a trademark perspective, it makes it much clearer that what the user is holding is not our official distribution but a recombination possibly with other content. "Re-spin" has two things wrong with it in my mind -- (1) It tends to be jargon, since most people don't know what spin means in this context. Remix may not be 100% grandma-friendly but there are more contextual cues, and it's a much better known term. (2) A healthy proportion of the remixed offerings will be in forms OTHER than an ISO or Live image, so the "spin" label breaks down there. Legal does *not* lean toware wording like "Powered by Fedora," because that makes the incorrect implication that what the user has is purely Fedora, not a recombination with possibly other non-Fedora content. I didn't know that call would happen today, so in retrospect it turns out my message was just a teensy bit premature. Apologies for that. But that is no reason people can't continue to make suggestions. Keep the above in mind as you're thinking about it, and that you now have to beat "Fedora Remix." :-) -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 17:11:33 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:11:33 -0600 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <1222361677.3003.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <507738ef0809241312g112cba05v56a67ec0d731c467@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809241330t2b010990jd45800bb98c6d0ec@mail.gmail.com> <48DAA8E1.5090504@fedoraproject.org> <1222361677.3003.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <80d7e4090809251011g470a9439k6113c1958ed258da@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 16:53 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the >> articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show >> fedora >> tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that >> takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, >> something >> like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to >> news.fpo? > > We migrated to use WP-MU running from wordpress.com; if you look at Dev > Fu (http://developer.redhatmagazine.com), there is a Wordpress bar > across the top if you are a logged in user. > > I'll have to talk with Bret to see exactly what are limitations are in > sharing content between blog instances. Sharing users is the easy part; > we can add people with wordpress.com accounts as writers, editors, etc. > I don't believe redhatmagazine.com itself has migrated over, just Dev > Fu. One thing that would be a problem with that is licensing. The content of all documents should be under a similar license.. and when you have extra authors.. do they retain their copyright or are they doing a work for hire (or signing over copyright) to the Magazine . However thats a non-technical problem (like trademarks, editorial control to make sure legal problems don't occur (plagiarism, trademark/patent/copyright infringement, etc.) -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:21:51 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:21:51 -0800 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809251121m2650d677w2d61fc30cfb3dea5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > /me ends angry rant, apologies, and heads off to check that parsnips > aren't burning Let me make a stronger personal statement. In the next calendar year, once I drop other volunteer commitments (both in and outside of Fedora), I will firmly commit to some regular form of content production using whatever community processes are in place. -jef From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 18:23:27 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Secondary mark wording In-Reply-To: <1222365845.4386.71.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1222358439.4386.43.camel@victoria-eth> <1222365845.4386.71.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > But that is no reason people can't continue to make suggestions. > Keep the above in mind as you're thinking about it, and that you now > have to beat "Fedora Remix." :-) This is the point in the thread where someone says "Fubuntu" and then runs away. Mission accomplished! --Max From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:34:11 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:34:11 -0700 Subject: Reminder: Fedora Marketing Meeting today In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809250915t1fbaeaf8le3ba028a8f439fb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0809250915t1fbaeaf8le3ba028a8f439fb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080809251134l63c5bb98o7a08d53995910fe2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > news.fp.o > ======== > > I don't care whose infrastructure we use, but I want to get this going > soon. The vital ingredients (heh, you'd never guess I've just been > cooking for seven!) from my point of view are: > > * We need to keep the Fedora brand separate from Red Hat's here. I > want this to be a central place where users can turn to for > information about *Fedora*, with content created openly in the > community. > * I'd like it to be a space owned by the community. I'd welcome > contributions from RH pros, but, this is a project that I really think > we could build community involvement with mktg from. Open governance, > like any other Fedora Project, would probably play a key role. > * Let's take into consideration any plans for the wider project that > might want to be using blogs, before deciding what infrastructure we > use. > > Some useful mailing list references where I've further expressed my views: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00052.html +1 to this (I am going into a doctor's appointment right now, so I will be late to the meeting this afternoon). Larry Cafiero From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 25 18:48:34 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:48:34 +0100 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Jeff Spaleta : > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: >> Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last >> year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've >> been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure >> quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora >> related content. > I follow a little. > >> Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at >> FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining >> before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together >> Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the >> last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make >> this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're >> almost there with it. > > I'm not suggesting that a RHM "takeover" of the work you are doing. > But, maybe an opening of RHM means an opportunity to access to > additional resources that can help specifically with the things that > are most frustrating. So its good to know exactly what has been > frustrating your efforts. But in opening RHM means discovering new > resources, or better allocating existing resources, to help > specifically with the most frustrating aspects of the community > vision, then that would be a good thing right? Subverting corporate > assets for community benefit is a beautiful thing. I agree completely, and throughout this thread I've said that I would love the assistance of the RH pros, and I think it's one of the most important parts of this idea. >> >> I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've >> been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these >> points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come >> along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of >> what I've said before is frustrating. > > Let me assure you, I'm not trying to take credit or trump you or > suggest that what you are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, and you get > full credit. But at the same time I can't speak for you either. My > main concern is just trying to make sure that key ideas as to where > help is needed are expressed in the context of this conversation > because new people maybe listening with new ears where they had not > been paying attention before. If it turns out that people hear me for > the first time where they haven't heard you before.... shame on them. > If it turns out people are turned off by me...shame on me. If it > turns out that I've reinforced what you've been saying all > along...great! I'm not worried about credit (for myself at least, I've done very little actual work), I just feel a little frustrated that this exact same conversation could have been had 6 months ago, and I wondered where everyone was then. In fact, 6 months ago we had a test instance of Lyceum set up on Fedora's infrastructure that could have been turned into a production instance, but there were not enough willing testers. I feel for Bret and Frank and all the work they've both put in, and I don't like the idea of that being wasted or ignored. My role has been minimal, just prodding these two along to keep the technical side moving, and trying to drum up interest here and on news.fp.o - somethign I've apparently failed at. > I'm not overtly enthusiastic, I am cautiously wary. I can't speak to > the timing of this conversation on RHM opening up. If RHM does decide > to open up, we can't really stop them from doing that. My main > concern is having them open up in a way that does not compete with > community effort. So if they do open up. I want to know what they > think they bring to the table, and what specific problems we need > solved and see if there's a good fit for a combined community effort. OK, and I like this thinking. Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past few months! Jon /me goes to make cups of tea. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:56:59 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:56:59 -0800 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809251156x10d59589yb40db277c34b593c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly > wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in > that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past > few months! If I've got one innate talent, one super human ability, its the ability to prompt people to express rage and frustration. Maybe I should just give in to my destiny to be a super villain instead of pretending that I can use this power for good. -jef"geneticly predisposed to do evil"spaleta From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:59:51 2008 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:59:51 -0600 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910809251156x10d59589yb40db277c34b593c@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809251156x10d59589yb40db277c34b593c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090809251159s3e6fff7duff72434905366a63@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: >> Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly >> wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in >> that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past >> few months! > > If I've got one innate talent, one super human ability, its the > ability to prompt people to express rage and frustration. Maybe I > should just give in to my destiny to be a super villain instead of > pretending that I can use this power for good. > > -jef"geneticly predisposed to do evil"spaleta You would have to get rid of the beard and go for a goatee. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 19:37:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:37:40 -0700 Subject: Opening Red Hat Magazine In-Reply-To: <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910809242257y11e64debl4d5570134853d3b1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809250907h74e2847wbd4f43f17d5f5108@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809250935k694d5bddme4282f7dc831f533@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910809251012y3fc4b24cqcbaa937b0f9f7f9@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0809251148p2173d33cnd7240700ccc149ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222371460.3003.79.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:48 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > ... this exact > same conversation could have been had 6 months ago, and I wondered > where everyone was then. In fact, 6 months ago we had a test instance > of Lyceum set up on Fedora's infrastructure that could have been > turned into a production instance, but there were not enough willing > testers. You are experiencing "the Fedora participation effect." It is akin to what happens in other FLOSS projects, combined with a savvy yet slower moving corporate best buddy that throws our orbit into a warble. Two points: * Idea work need not be lost, it can be turned in to compost that feeds the next round of ideas in to fruition. * Critical mass is elusive, you cannot predict when it happens, and then you are in the middle of it. :) Be assured, all of the ideas and work are not loss, it was an important part of getting to critical mass. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 20:20:25 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:20:25 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-09-25 IRC log Message-ID: <1222374025.3003.87.camel@calliope.phig.org> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_IRC_log_20080925 12:00 < themayor> let me the meeting come to order 12:00 < themayor> roll call please 12:01 * ke4qqq is here 12:01 * quaid is here 12:01 * tw2113 is half here 12:01 < kushal> Kushal Das 12:02 * stickster is here, at least partly 12:02 < themayor> anyone else? 12:02 < rharrison> here 12:02 < themayor> ianweller_afk: ?? 12:03 < kulll> here? 12:03 < ria> Ria Das 12:03 -!- rsuehle [n=rsuehle at nat/redhat/x-ac6910ce183d138c] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:03 -!- kulll [i=d318e24a at gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f45fcd8554dd8481] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 12:04 < themayor> rsuehle: are you joining us for the meeting? 12:05 < themayor> i guess not 12:05 < themayor> okay 12:05 < rsuehle> yes 12:05 < quaid> oi rsuehle 12:05 -!- gregdek [n=gdk at nat/redhat/x-1f6b9a43f2dc607d] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:05 * themayor waves to gregdek 12:05 * quaid glad he caught up on the RHM thread, ftw! 12:05 * gregdek hullos. 12:06 < themayor> okay so that being done, lets move on 12:06 < themayor> we have put aside this meeting to discuss strategy 12:06 < themayor> we're not going down the task list 12:06 < themayor> in fact the task list is very very minimal 12:07 < themayor> last week through the meeting we said that we would talk strategy about the future 12:07 < themayor> so does anyone have anything specific they would like to talk about so we can put it on the agenda right now? 12:07 < quaid> how far of a time scope is "the future"? 12:08 < themayor> through the f10 timetable lets say 12:08 < kushal> yes 12:08 < themayor> so 6-9 months lets say 12:08 < kushal> I have question on legality of one video which I want to put on Fedora Tv 12:09 < kushal> check this http://excess.org/article/2008/07/ogre-git-tutorial/ 12:09 < kushal> two nice git videos 12:10 < mizmo> hi im here sorrys 12:10 < themayor> kushal: okay and ?? 12:11 < kushal> themayor, I want to know if I can out them or not 12:11 < themayor> out them? 12:11 -!- Irssi: #fedora-mktg: Total of 48 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 47 normal] 12:12 < kushal> put out 12:12 < quaid> ! 12:12 < kushal> quaid, stage is yours 12:12 -!- ria_ [n=ria at 59.161.130.154] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:13 < quaid> we started this meeting in this channel some months ago 12:13 < quaid> good for momentum, etc. 12:13 -!- ria [n=ria at 121.245.112.146] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:13 < quaid> but esp. as we talk strategy 12:13 -!- ria_ is now known as ria 12:13 < quaid> there are ~100 ppl in #fedora-marketing right now 12:13 -!- mether [n=sundaram at nat/redhat-in/x-ab789b4c75b9a060] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:13 < quaid> about 1/2 of that lurking here 12:13 < quaid> I propose we move this meeting over there; the room is open in this slot 12:13 < quaid> 12:14 < gregdek> #fedora-marketing? 12:14 < gregdek> Is empty. 12:14 < quaid> sorry 12:14 < quaid> I mean 12:14 < gregdek> Do you mean #fedora-meeting? 12:14 < kushal> quaid, I know this is our marketing channel ? 12:14 < quaid> #fedora-meeting 12:14 < quaid> yes, brain seizure 12:14 < quaid> s/marketing/meeting/ kthxbai 12:14 * quaid sees apparently SCM SIG has the room booked 12:14 < quaid> but hasn't been using it 12:15 < gregdek> We should probably ask their plan before taking it over. 12:15 < gregdek> Maybe for subsequent meetings? 12:15 < quaid> sure 12:15 < quaid> I wouldn't have brought it up but for the topic for today; just task rundown wouldn't be worth bum rushing the back door 12:16 * spoleeba wonders when we are going to migrate fedora meetings into secondlife virtual conference rooms 12:16 < themayor> no i dont think any time soon 12:16 < themayor> ;) 12:16 * quaid is ready to move to the topic, fo sho 12:16 < kushal> gregdek, any points of those git videos 12:17 < themayor> anyway, quaid, do you want to be responsible for tracking down the SCM sig guys and handling the room migration? 12:17 < quaid> sure 12:17 < themayor> okay putting that up on the wiki 12:17 < themayor> let me know if anything happens this week so that i can announce any room changes for next 12:17 < themayor> thanks 12:17 < quaid> about strategy ... I have a thought about where we need to put a big slice (33%) of our efforts 12:18 < themayor> go ahead 12:18 < themayor> oh wait a second 12:18 < themayor> let me answer kushal 12:18 < quaid> that is focus on people and projects, the basics -- getting a good machine to churn out stories 12:18 < quaid> ok, I'll pause 12:18 < themayor> kushal: i think you need to email the person who made them and ask him whether or not he would allow you to use them 12:19 < kushal> themayor, ok, that is already in todo list :) 12:19 < themayor> okay quaid back to you 12:19 -!- lcafiero [n=larry at dsl-63-249-115-153.cruzio.com] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:19 < quaid> now, I'm not saying anything new 12:19 -!- mether [n=sundaram at nat/redhat-in/x-332e2b27cca7a42c] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:19 < quaid> but it looks like we have a chance to catch a fast moving current 12:19 * lcafiero apologizes for being late, hands note from doctor to the principal 12:20 < quaid> part of our concern about people not knowing aobut 12:20 < quaid> the stuff that comes from/through Fedora 12:20 -!- RenaultR83 [n=Renault at AToulon-151-1-4-170.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Konversation ferm?"] 12:20 < moixs> I have a question about stories...currently I'm writing the fedora release announcements (for Beta too) for the French websites. My news are totally not coordinated with *insert name here* who writes the news in english. Do you know who is usually doing this? 12:20 < quaid> is this lack of any long term effort, other than Red Hat Magazine :D, to really make a lot of stories flow out. 12:21 < quaid> moixs: we actually have an idea/process for that, one sec while I get a URL 12:21 * quaid is adding that stuff to Marketing/Tasks right now, too 12:22 < quaid> moixs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints are out of date but will be updated according to a schedule I'm working on right now. 12:22 < quaid> 12:23 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes at fedora/DemonJester] has quit ["leaving"] 12:23 < moixs> A nice feature would be to have a responsable for each big language, who translates the announcements and mails them to the meaningful webistes in his language. 12:23 < moixs> I'll have a look at your links 12:24 < themayor> hrm, that sounds like a good idea 12:24 < quaid> moixs: +1 that is the exact idea 12:24 < themayor> maybe to have local ambassadors reponsible for each language? 12:24 < themayor> or at least one ambassador 12:24 < quaid> moixs: not just translate, but a common set of discussion topics (talking points) so you can also write your own while knowing it shares a common message. 12:24 < moixs> exactly, ambassadors are the perfect people for that 12:24 < themayor> so we can coordinate release announcements as well 12:24 -!- Renault [n=Renault at AToulon-151-1-4-170.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:24 < quaid> there is a process here 12:24 < quaid> sorry I haven't made noise yet 12:24 < quaid> but I'll fire it back up, it covers *all* of these points 12:25 < moixs> We have such discussions on the french ambassador list, actually we have a workflow for fedora news. 12:25 < quaid> exactly as you suggest them to be :) 12:25 < moixs> But you don't see any of that obviously :p 12:25 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 12:25 < moixs> Every member on the french ambassador list can submit news ideas or complete news to the list, they can be commented for 24h and then they are sent to the media 12:26 < moixs> It's simple and effective 12:26 < quaid> moixs: for now, you can coordinate with me (Karsten Wade) for the various release announcements (Beta, Preview, RC, GA) 12:26 < quaid> +1 simple process that get stories up from the people who know best 12:27 < quaid> sounds like what jonrob has been saying, what rsuehle and gregdek and me and mether have all been saying 12:27 < themayor> yeah 12:27 * quaid steps down carefully from the soapbox 12:27 < moixs> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2008-September/msg00092.html is the F10 beta news project (already slightly modified) 12:28 < mizmo> are we talking big ideas like how do we get more mindshare amongst linux users? 12:28 < mizmo> or what? 12:28 < mizmo> like whats the end goal 12:29 < moixs> The end goal is to get as much Fedora stories on websites as Ubuntu and OpenSuse ones 12:29 < moixs> At this time, we have a big disadvantage 12:29 < quaid> it would be great if our stories were complementary more than adversarial with other distros 12:30 < quaid> that is, I don't want to grow by seeding more "Desktop Shoot Out!" articles 12:30 < moixs> Here in Europe, we have a 2:10 ratio compared to these other distros. 12:30 < themayor> the truth is i dont think so. i think we dont market aggressively or in opposition within the press because we don't want to play that game 12:31 < moixs> That's not the point, we focus on technical stuff...what struck me is that all the things developed by Fedora are not credited to Fedora. It's often credited to OpenSuse which uses most of the same technology and has more news. 12:32 < quaid> focus on stories about people and projects 12:32 < themayor> yeah 12:32 < themayor> like the meet the contributor stuff 12:32 < themayor> thats golden 12:32 < quaid> I've seen some "Spotlight on ..." videos from Red Hat that rock 12:32 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes at fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:33 < ke4qqq> I've had podcasters 'beg' for the unsung devs from Fedora/redhat because we don't do as good a job promoting them 12:33 < kushal> any comments on "Meet the contributor:" videos I made ? 12:33 < themayor> they are awesome 12:33 < quaid> kushal: +10 12:33 < themayor> by the way, as a side note, fedora was formed 5 years ago today 12:33 < kushal> quaid, idea goes to sankarshan 12:33 < moixs> A perfect example is the better webcam support in F10 (kernel 2.6.27), if we don't advertise that now, it will be percieved as a novelty of the first distro to advertise it. 12:33 < kushal> themayor, I think you are 1 day late 12:34 < lcafiero> I thought it was yesterday. 12:34 < themayor> september 24th 12:34 < lcafiero> [no cake left to celebrate today] 12:34 < kushal> I am already in 26th :) 12:34 < lcafiero> 25th here. 12:34 -!- Soumya [n=Soumya at 117.192.1.237] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:35 < quaid> moixs: if you have a chance, we could use help making sure the source discussion topics in those links I posted are really great and complete 12:35 < themayor> damn, no, i just missed it completely 12:35 < themayor> i have mono, so ive kind of lost track of dates 12:35 < themayor> i just know its thursday 12:35 < kushal> lol 12:35 < themayor> and also not having email since yesterday didnt help 12:37 < moixs> I'll have a look at the links tomorrow, I'm very tired now (and watching a western) 12:37 < themayor> okay so to get back on focus 12:37 < themayor> stories about people and projects 12:38 < rdieter> no email = time stops 12:38 < themayor> something like that 12:38 < themayor> stupid migration crap 12:38 < themayor> anyway 12:38 < quaid> and tools, processes, and critical mass to make it happen; a real commitment 12:38 < lcafiero> +1 to themayor and rdieter 12:39 < spoleeba> themayor, can the featuring process be coopted as a press initiative? Or would developers driving the features feel overburdened if there were asked to engage in a marketing campaign involved the feature? 12:39 < themayor> maybe this could all play into the remaking of red hat magazine? 12:39 < themayor> spoleeba: may answer would be it depends on the developer 12:39 < spoleeba> themayor, sure it would... and the person asking 12:39 < themayor> yeah that too 12:40 < spoleeba> themayor, i think the stuff the mingw people are doing..is a good story...but im not gonna ask them to write it 12:40 < themayor> i definitely think we need more marketing surrounding features 12:42 < mizmo> especially who in fedora is working on X 12:42 < mizmo> identifying that early 12:42 < mizmo> before someone else ahem takes the credit 12:42 < mizmo> (or doesnt contest misattributed credit) 12:43 < themayor> well the people who have beats for fwn should be pretty on top of that stuff 12:43 < themayor> no? 12:45 < lcafiero> I think so 12:45 < quaid> for features? 12:46 < quaid> is there an FWN feature beat? 12:46 < themayor> well yeah, they know whats going on in their specific area, so shouldnt that translate in features eventually? 12:46 < themayor> i dont know, if there isnt, maybe there should be 12:47 < quaid> no, not really ... 12:48 < quaid> features seem to float themselves separately from the regular list, project, sig traffic 12:48 < quaid> IME 12:48 < themayor> okay so lets hang on a sec 12:48 -!- kulll [i=d318e24a at gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06fd425359e99b5f] has joined #fedora-mktg 12:49 < themayor> basically im hearing two things 12:49 < themayor> we need to keep be keeping better track of featuring and be ready to publicize that 12:50 < themayor> and we want to be able to publicize people and projects 12:51 < themayor> and we need process and whatever else to make that work? 12:51 < themayor> correct? 12:51 < themayor> are we all in agreement 12:51 < quaid> +1 12:52 < moixs> Totally :) 12:52 < themayor> okay so suggestions for keep better track of featuring? 12:53 < quaid> well 12:53 < quaid> the feature process does that pretty well 12:53 < quaid> it's just having a Marketing process that combs that, highlights, etc. 12:54 < quaid> we do that for the release notes, for example; there is release and documentation areas in the feature page 12:54 < moixs> yes, there is no real need for another administrative layer...we "just" need to exploit the features page 12:54 < quaid> just having someone from Marketing steward that each release ... 12:54 < quaid> it could be topical, cf. FWN 12:54 < quaid> technical, collaborative, shiny stuff, etc. 12:55 < themayor> okay does someone want to be responsible for that? 12:55 < moixs> I lack of experience 12:56 < quaid> well, strategically ... 12:56 < quaid> maybe role assignment 12:56 < quaid> comes out of meeting with RHM, FWN, et al 12:56 < quaid> we need to get a good picture of what parts we have, what we need, etc. 12:57 < quaid> maybe discuss actively on the list will be enough? 12:57 < themayor> okay so we are coming close to an hour 12:57 < themayor> so why dont we say this 12:57 < themayor> we have those 2 goals really 12:58 < themayor> to publicize features more and to come up with more stories about people and projects right 12:58 -!- kulll [i=d318e24a at gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06fd425359e99b5f] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 12:58 < themayor> so why dont we move the discussion to the list 12:58 -!- rsuehle [n=rsuehle at nat/redhat/x-ac6910ce183d138c] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:59 < quaid> themayor: I'm editing Marketing/Tasks right now btw, adding in stuff about release announcements and the like 13:00 < themayor> okay, so quaid can you send out a quick mail to the list when you are done about what you added and about what we spoke about and we can follow up next week 13:00 < tw2113> i think we've done a decent job with that stuff in the past, but it sounds like we want to up that even more 13:00 < moixs> That seems a good idea, my problem is that I don't know how the feature page is populated...I'm too new to Fedora marketing to know your inner workings and all the people. I'm basically watching at the moment. 13:00 * tw2113 recalls a lot of posted interviews 13:00 < themayor> moixs: well dont be afraid to ask questions 13:01 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass at fedora/cassmodiah] has quit ["???????"] 13:01 < themayor> we should be highlighting those unsung developers, yes 13:02 * tw2113 thinks that ianweller_afk should get an interview this round 13:05 < themayor> quaid: ?? 13:06 < quaid> sorry, busy doing :) 13:06 < quaid> got it 13:07 < themayor> okay thanks 13:07 < themayor> so with that does anyone have anything else to add? 13:08 < moixs> no 13:09 < tw2113> nothing from me 13:09 * quaid ready to capture and post IRC log when we are done 13:09 < themayor> okay thats a wrap! follow up on the list and we will discuss again next week -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other release-specific tasks need to get on here now? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks You can see a log of today's meeting here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080417 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 00:05:14 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-09-25 Summary In-Reply-To: <1222374194.3003.90.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222374194.3003.90.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20080926000514.GA4982@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 01:23:14PM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Today we talked strategy. Our summary points are: > > * Strategy for the next six to nine months: > ** Publicize features more > ** Come up with more stories about people and projects > ** Use the feature pages and other existing processes > ** Add appropriate tools and processes > ** KISS but effective This is something that I am already involved with deeply, since a lot of my interviews around our releases center on the features we publicize on the Feature list already, e.g.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features We could try to develop the list of "featured features" as more of an open activity. Thus far I've identified a core group of features that are digestible by the lay press and around which we can build some interesting stories: * New NetworkManager, connection sharing * New improved printer handling * Remote virtualization and easier virt storage * Sectool, an auditing and security testing framework * RPM 4.6, the first big RPM change in several years These came directly from the Feature List that John Poelstra creates as the Feature wrangler: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList You'll see these in some Beta press that Red Hat's marketing team and I put together -- but these are just a sample of what's in Fedora 10, and we could alter this list to accommodate other features as desired if there's meaty stories to be told around them. The key is that the features have to be interesting but understandable in a sentence or two. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 26 00:57:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:27:25 +0530 Subject: Fedora @5: How a Community Approach Works Message-ID: <48DC3375.8080505@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.internetnews.com/commentary/article.php/3774136/Fedora+5+How+a+Community+Approach+Works.htm "How could Red Hat do such a thing? Long-time users like me were calling it total madness and surely a recipe for disaster. History has proven me wrong. Today, Fedora is a successful and popular Linux project that proves the community model can work" "Over the course of the last five years, the Fedora Project has tried to live up to its founding vision with no less than 9 full distribution releases and has millions of users. A key to Fedora's success has been that each distribution release really has pushed the envelope forward on Linux." Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:02:25 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:02:25 -0700 Subject: destructive marketing? Message-ID: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> One thing I kept reading in recent time on fedoraforum.org is how much of a disconnect people felt between the marketing message for F9 and the reality. "If they had just said it's a beta X.org and beta KDE, suck it up, it would have been easier. But they invited all these new users with slick shiny promises and let them down." I'm going to try to address this head-on in the release documentation, with sections that highlight potential and known problems. I'm not sure what to do about the marketing message except to note that we don't want to undermine our success through over-hype. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gnomeuser at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:11:34 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:11:34 +0200 Subject: destructive marketing? In-Reply-To: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809260711n2ee808b0gfa132eedfebcc1a5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/26 Karsten 'quaid' Wade > One thing I kept reading in recent time on fedoraforum.org is how much > of a disconnect people felt between the marketing message for F9 and the > reality. "If they had just said it's a beta X.org and beta KDE, suck it > up, it would have been easier. But they invited all these new users > with slick shiny promises and let them down." > > I'm going to try to address this head-on in the release documentation, > with sections that highlight potential and known problems. I'm not sure > what to do about the marketing message except to note that we don't want > to undermine our success through over-hype. By coincidence I had the very same conversation with a friend today. He said he had switched away from Fedora because it was to buggy but talking to him it turned out he never actually told us that about his problems. When I told him that we would be happy to take his bugreports and he seemed to see the light. He promptly told me he would give Fedora another try and I told hm that we had a Beta release coming out soon if he was up to helping us find problems before they tear him down which he was. I think it would be helpful with one standard link in the browser setting was to a wiki page called "Experiencing problems?" which would present a guide with screenshots on how to tell us that the user is experiencing problems. Mainly because we lack something as cool as Ubuntu' Apport being enabled by default to help the user in doing this operation. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 15:37:56 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:37:56 -0400 Subject: destructive marketing? In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809260711n2ee808b0gfa132eedfebcc1a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1dedbbfc0809260711n2ee808b0gfa132eedfebcc1a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080926153756.GE21441@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:11:34PM +0200, David Nielsen wrote: > 2008/9/26 Karsten 'quaid' Wade > > > One thing I kept reading in recent time on fedoraforum.org is how much > > of a disconnect people felt between the marketing message for F9 and the > > reality. "If they had just said it's a beta X.org and beta KDE, suck it > > up, it would have been easier. But they invited all these new users > > with slick shiny promises and let them down." > > > > I'm going to try to address this head-on in the release documentation, > > with sections that highlight potential and known problems. I'm not sure > > what to do about the marketing message except to note that we don't want > > to undermine our success through over-hype. > > > By coincidence I had the very same conversation with a friend today. He said > he had switched away from Fedora because it was to buggy but talking to him > it turned out he never actually told us that about his problems. When I told > him that we would be happy to take his bugreports and he seemed to see the > light. He promptly told me he would give Fedora another try and I told hm > that we had a Beta release coming out soon if he was up to helping us find > problems before they tear him down which he was. Our bug reporting page on the wiki is a bit anemic. It could be much friendlier with a step-by-step approach that included screenshots. (No, I'm not concerned with screenshots in the wiki, as I would in formal docs.) Interestingly, the search on "bugs" on the wiki brings up the "Bugs" page which has been used as a redirect to the BugZappers (Triage) team. There's nothing wrong with that, but a "Reporting_bugs" page would break up the search properly and allow users to be shunted to the right information to help them report problems. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 26 16:06:05 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: destructive marketing? In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809260711n2ee808b0gfa132eedfebcc1a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1dedbbfc0809260711n2ee808b0gfa132eedfebcc1a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37857.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222445165.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > I think it would be helpful with one standard link in the browser setting > was to a wiki page called "Experiencing problems?" which would present a > guide with screenshots on how to tell us that the user is experiencing > problems. Mainly because we lack something as cool as Ubuntu' Apport being > enabled by default to help the user in doing this operation. http://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/142-New-Fedora-Contributors!.html Apport is being ported to Fedora by a Seneca student. Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:24:51 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:09:51 +0545 Subject: SFD@National Institute of Technology Hamirpur H.P In-Reply-To: <458790.95728.qm@web94607.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <458790.95728.qm@web94607.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222457091.7001.4.camel@tushar-laptop> Great to hear from you Varun, I have sent 31 CDs of Fedora to Rajan. Hope he can help as he is from himanchal pradesh too. Rajan please help them. About Fedora T-Shirts, you must contact the Fedora ambassadors. If you want me to send you, I can but, I can't provide them for free as we sell them in order to sustain our group. If something I can do. I will really be happy. Tushar. On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 18:35 +0530, varun patial wrote: > Hello Sir, > > My name is Varun Patial and I belong to Hamirpur, Himachal Pradesh in India. I have been working on Fedora for the past 3 years. I am pursuing my B.Tech in Computer Science Engineering from National Institute of Technology,Hamirpur where I am the system administrator of a GLUG-NITH server (www.glug-nith.org) which is currently hosting Fedora-mirror (ftp://fedora.glug-nith.org), TLDP and GNU mirror. I am also the administrator of GLUG-NITH mailing list. GLUG-NITH has, for the last 4 years, been working for the cause of promotion of the idea of using LINUX as an operating system among the students of NIT Hamirpur. > > I read you post on fedora-ambassadors mailing list regarding the Software freedom day. So I thought of sharing our experience of SFD with you. > On 20th we celebrated software freedom day(SFD) in our college. > We didn't expected many people since it being a holiday and also people were off to their home just after periodical exam. even we put the notice just one day before as everyone was busy in periodical. > > The event consisted of > 1 Introduction to glug-nith and campus ambassador program started by SunMicrosystem in our college. > 2 A detailed step by step installation of fedora 9 and openSolaris build 79. > 3 Distibution of openSolaris dvds to everyone. > We started at 4:30 in the evening with some 35 people, mostly new faces from 1st year. We started the session with the introduction to glug-nith and the ideology behind it, the opensSource concept and its learn and share philosophy! > We had plans of warping up everything within one hour, but people kept pouring in and within half an hour some 65 people were their in the seminar hall! infact we had to stand throughout the session as their was no chair left. > Student were quite interested and they did come up with lots of basic but interesting question! > > > In the end we distributed the dvd of opensolaris . It all took more than 2 hours but needless to say it was really great and much more than what we expected.I am also sending some of the pics in attachment. > We tried to get fedora DVDs but all went in vain. So if you can help us with fedora installation DVDs , i will be grateful to you. > > Also tell me how can I order a Fedora T-Shirt. > > > > Regards > > Varun Patial > > > > Get an email ID as yourname at ymail.com or yourname at rocketmail..com. 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"Who would like it: Anyone who likes their Linux on a USB stick (with persistent data and setup), and anyone looking to try out a general purpose Linux distribution without having to monkey around with too many settings" Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Sep 27 04:28:37 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:28:37 -0500 Subject: destructive marketing? In-Reply-To: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222437745.31565.21.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48DDB675.6010004@prodigy.net.mx> Karsten 'quaid' Wade escribi?: > One thing I kept reading in recent time on fedoraforum.org is how much > of a disconnect people felt between the marketing message for F9 and the > reality. "If they had just said it's a beta X.org and beta KDE, suck it > up, it would have been easier. But they invited all these new users > with slick shiny promises and let them down." > > I'm going to try to address this head-on in the release documentation, > with sections that highlight potential and known problems. I'm not sure > what to do about the marketing message except to note that we don't want > to undermine our success through over-hype. > > - Karsten > This absolutely is a problem... One that even us, old time Fedora users and would-be-contributors have had (or still have) with the system in one way or another. Personally I have been having a hard time with relatives and friends regarding Fedora 9. It is undeniable that there have been all sorts of problems with this particular release, but the main problem is that most of the people experiencing the problems don't necessarily file bug reports about them, and even when they seem to know how to, some people would simply say that reporting bugs seems to be a complex process (especially the follow up of issues). I had this experience with a friend of mine, we both bought the very same laptop model pretty much at the same time and she *demanded* that I installed Fedora in it (she's fond of Fedora, as when I first introduced her to Fedora and offered her to install it on her computer, she basically told me to install whatever I was using so I could lend a helping hand whenever she needed one). At any rate, I installed Fedora 8 on our computers (x86_64 on mine, i386 on hers, as she makes heavy use of stuff like Flash and other programs through, or that are 32-bit exclusively, which even though can run on x86_64, some times one has to jump through hoops to get them right), but soon after Fedora 9 was released, she downloaded the LiveCD for Fedora 9 and wiped out Fedora 8 from her HDD and started to have all sorts of problems. By that time, a bit before she actually had done that I had downloaded and installed Fedora 9 (again x86_64) on mine and actually got see first hand many of the problems she was experiencing. I offered her to help her get her data onto a backup and reinstall Fedora 8, and so we did. Later I asked her if she reported any of the bugs she found (few of them were substantially different than mine) and she simply replied "No, it seemed too cumbersome". Later that very same day, we started to experience a problem on her machine with Totem and audio CDs (Totem was crashing, bringing up Bug-Buddy), and she told me something I have though of ever since I knew about Bug-Buddy "Why can't Fedora [Bug-Buddy, actually] work with regular e-mail addresses. Every time I try to send a report that this program shows up, I seem to require to be running some sort of mail server". I have thought that very same thing a few times in the past with regards to Bug-Buddy as even if it is very helpful, and you can even save the trace and much of the "report" it generates, people (me included) tend to simply let it slip. It would be great if somehow Bug-Buddy could be tuned to report bugs directly to bugzilla.redhat.com rather than upstream gnome, and integrate it with other programs (KDE programs, even). Another issue people seem to have with bug reporting is "searching". More often than not, when some of my friends or family actually is going to report a bug, they keep saying that they can't find a bug report that matches their criteria, and in one occasion someone said "I was looking for just THAT in bugzilla the other day!" (speaking about a bug we both encounterd), and when I inquired him of the result, he said "I found one report about it, and long discussion about it", and when I asked him if the chimed in to confirm the bug was still there (after apparently a few updates), he simply said "No, it was already reported, anyway". This is to some point the main issue I see with people (regular users) with regards to bug reports and problems they encounter with the distribution. Like some other posters on this thread, I have also people tell me that they have stopped using Fedora due to a problem (curiously enough the most common problem seems to be with regards to printers, at least of those who actually TELL ME, which is, of course the main problem). More often than I'd like to, I have to act as a proxy for bug reports, the problem is that since I do not have the issue itself, and can't reproduce it on my system (due to version or architecture discrepancy), the feedback I can provide in bugzilla (or upstream) is rather limited. I'm aware there is no easy or simple solution for this problem (lack of bug reporting), and that this may involve maybe too much effort to correct over time and through many releases... One possible way (and I really hate myself to bring this up) I have thought of is to have some sort of "interactive demo tour" for new users, as it is present in other operating systems. Through this method it would actually be possible to have more people actually know about many of the features and possibly how to deal with problems (where and how to seek help, reporting bugs, etc). I know there is a "tours" SIG and project within Fedora, and there are also video-tours of many of the highlights and features for each release (I think this started with FC6)... Now, my idea is basically have one of the "screens" of First Boot with a list of videos showcasing that particular release. The videos would obviously be those from the Tours project, and we wouldn't have to worry about proprietary codecs or what not, as they would be already in a free format. However, this imposes a series of prerequisites that may be hard to meet: Have the content at release date (the hardest to do!), be able to somehow internationalize it (could be possible through the use of external subtitle files, trying to avoid speech in the videos, and only relying on the subs to get the message), add the feature to First Boot ideally embedding into the "page" the video player with series of "links" bellow indicating the different features... And this is where things can get difficult, as the content (the videos) cannot be bundled with the LiveCD images (they'd add too much to the images). The way I see it is to have the videos in a package readily available on the DVD images, and downloadable in the LiveCD installer, this should also be completely optional, as not everybody has broad band internet access (and very likely the videos would amount to at least a couple hundred megabytes), so they may be installed at user action and request. I'm aware this would be a very ambitious project and feature to have in Fedora, and maybe not all that worth for the semestral release of the distribution, but is something I have been thinking for Fedora for quite a long time in an effort to improve communication of features to end-users, and serving the alternate purpose of also being an educational tool for users not all that familiar with Linux in general and Fedora in particular. From kwade at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:16:45 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:16:45 -0700 Subject: a Beta announcement to use Message-ID: <1222726605.745.126.camel@calliope.phig.org> In light of trying to pump up the marketing and the bug reporting, here is a Beta release announcement: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_%28F-10%29_Beta_release_announcement Thanks to Steven Moix for the original (in French[1]), which I adapted for English. Blame for the "Beta contest" is entirely on me. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2008-September/msg00097.html Fedora 10 Beta: Cambridge's foundations are laid Just on the heels of the Fedora Project's fifth anniversary, the Beta of Fedora Linux version 10 (code-named Cambridge) is now available: http://get.fedoraproject.org There is also a Beta contest! Test five things in the Beta that are important to you as a user. If you find a bug *and* report it, you get the free attention of a package maintainer on a problem personally important to you! https://bugzilla.redhat.com Do your part to make Fedora 10 that much better. Among the new, fun, and interesting features: * New NetworkManager with connection sharing * Improved printer handling * Remote virtualization and easier virt storage * Sectool, an auditing and security testing framework * RPM 4.6, the first big RPM change in several years ... and more ... * New version of PackageKit for managing software, with more fixes and enhancements (which benefits all distributions) * New version of PulseAudio (which benefits all distributions) * Kernel 2.6.27, including better support for WiFi * Better support for the EFI for Apple Macintosh hardware * Faster graphical start-up by Plymouth, replacing the venerable RHGB * Better support for webcams through the hard work in kernel 2.6.27 (which benefits all distributions) * New icon theme "Echo", to be completed with the theme graphic "Solar" in the Fedora 10 release * Gnome 2.24 * KDE 4.1 * Adding the NetBeans IDE * Eclipse 3.4 * Automatic installation of multimedia codecs * Better HDTV support in X.org * "Sugar" graphical environment (from OLPC) available for use, testing, and development A more complete list and details of each new cited feature is available: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In answering that question, I believe there is an Infrastructure SOP for release that has the links automatically load balanced and expected by our intrepid sysadmins. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Blame for the "Beta contest" is entirely on me. > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2008-September/msg00097.html > > > Fedora 10 Beta: Cambridge's foundations are laid > > Just on the heels of the Fedora Project's fifth anniversary, the Beta of > Fedora Linux version 10 (code-named Cambridge) is now available: Is there going to be a link to Fedora 10 Beta release notes? Is there a list of major bugs and pending issues? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 01:53:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:53:55 -0400 Subject: a Beta announcement to use In-Reply-To: <48E17CB0.3000503@fedoraproject.org> References: <1222726605.745.126.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48E17CB0.3000503@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080930015355.GC21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 06:41:12AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> In light of trying to pump up the marketing and the bug reporting, here >> is a Beta release announcement: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_%28F-10%29_Beta_release_announcement >> >> Thanks to Steven Moix for the original (in French[1]), which I adapted >> for English. Blame for the "Beta contest" is entirely on me. >> >> [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2008-September/msg00097.html >> >> >> Fedora 10 Beta: Cambridge's foundations are laid >> >> Just on the heels of the Fedora Project's fifth anniversary, the Beta of >> Fedora Linux version 10 (code-named Cambridge) is now available: > > Is there going to be a link to Fedora 10 Beta release notes? Is there a > list of major bugs and pending issues? The former includes the latter: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Beta/ReleaseNotes -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That page with the cached/static URLs is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/Release -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 02:59:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:29:31 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux Message-ID: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> Hi Touting my own horn. To be clear, this is a derivative and not a official project. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=omega_10_beta&num=1 Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Omega_Fedora_remix_packs_multimedia "The Red Hat community engineer behind the Fedora Games and Fedora Xfce media spins, Rahul Sundaram, had announced the release of Omega 10 Beta this past weekend. Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that is based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM repository. The Omega 10 Beta release is roughly equivalent to the Fedora 10 Beta to be released tomorrow, but integrates multimedia support not found in Fedora along with delivering other added functionality." Rahul From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 05:37:35 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:22:35 +0545 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Great going Rahul, Hope this distro will create new communities of fedora lovers .... On 30/09/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Touting my own horn. To be clear, this is a derivative and not a > official project. > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=omega_10_beta&num=1 > > Digg It: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Omega_Fedora_remix_packs_multimedia > > "The Red Hat community engineer behind the Fedora Games and Fedora Xfce > media spins, Rahul Sundaram, had announced the release of Omega 10 Beta > this past weekend. Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that is > based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM repository. > The Omega 10 Beta release is roughly equivalent to the Fedora 10 Beta to > be released tomorrow, but integrates multimedia support not found in > Fedora along with delivering other added functionality." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From eerpini at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 07:04:17 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:34:17 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <93655eb70809300004u7fe434f6q26934ea606f53a9d@mail.gmail.com> great work , ..... looking forward to testing it !! ,.... so to make it clear , ...... are u planning to release a version of Omega for every Fedora ? that had be great ,,..... i am ready to contribute if it needs help ,...... this kind of work would especially click in india , where the internet (speed ) is bad and so people would love to have one dvd with everything !! :-) On 9/30/08, Tushar Neupaney wrote: > Great going Rahul, > > Hope this distro will create new communities of fedora lovers .... > > > On 30/09/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Touting my own horn. To be clear, this is a derivative and not a >> official project. >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=omega_10_beta&num=1 >> >> Digg It: >> >> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Omega_Fedora_remix_packs_multimedia >> >> "The Red Hat community engineer behind the Fedora Games and Fedora Xfce >> media spins, Rahul Sundaram, had announced the release of Omega 10 Beta >> this past weekend. Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that is >> based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM repository. >> The Omega 10 Beta release is roughly equivalent to the Fedora 10 Beta to >> be released tomorrow, but integrates multimedia support not found in >> Fedora along with delivering other added functionality." >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 07:16:37 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:46:37 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <93655eb70809300004u7fe434f6q26934ea606f53a9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <93655eb70809300004u7fe434f6q26934ea606f53a9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E1D255.4010101@fedoraproject.org> Satish Eerpini wrote: > great work , ..... looking forward to testing it !! ,.... > so to make it clear , ...... are u planning to release a version of > Omega for every Fedora ? > that had be great ,,..... i am ready to contribute if it needs help > ,...... this kind of work would especially click in india , where the > internet (speed ) is bad and so people would love to have one dvd with > everything !! :-) Yes, the plan is to do new releases in lock step with new Fedora releases following the development cycle as much as possible (ie) do alpha, beta releases etc. Since rawhide is frozen before test and general releases, doing a compose from there (and no mirrors), makes it possible for me to even release earlier to official Fedora releases. Note that the current release is a live cd and not a dvd. I am not planning to do other variants at the moment. Rahul From luca at foppiano.org Tue Sep 30 08:15:18 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:15:18 +0200 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 08:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > "The Red Hat community engineer behind the Fedora Games and Fedora > Xfce > media spins, Rahul Sundaram, had announced the release of Omega 10 > Beta > this past weekend. Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that > is > based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM > repository. > The Omega 10 Beta release is roughly equivalent to the Fedora 10 Beta > to > be released tomorrow, but integrates multimedia support not found in > Fedora along with delivering other added functionality." just few questions: * Are you sure is necessary to have another distribution...quite equal to another? * does it legal and possible to declare that "is a fedora based"?I heard something about this (I remember something about "sombrero" [1]). Luca [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/299889/ -- Today is Pungenday, the 54th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 Go to a movie tonight. Darkness becomes you. From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 08:24:52 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:24:52 +0100 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <48E1D255.4010101@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <93655eb70809300004u7fe434f6q26934ea606f53a9d@mail.gmail.com> <48E1D255.4010101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222763092.2427.1.camel@frank-01> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 12:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Yes, the plan is to do new releases in lock step with new Fedora > releases following the development cycle as much as possible (ie) do > alpha, beta releases etc. Since rawhide is frozen before test and > general releases, doing a compose from there (and no mirrors), makes it > possible for me to even release earlier to official Fedora releases. > Note that the current release is a live cd and not a dvd. I am not > planning to do other variants at the moment. > > Rahul Where will regular update come from, is there a yum system being put in place. Frank > -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 08:53:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:23:41 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <1222763092.2427.1.camel@frank-01> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <93655eb70809300004u7fe434f6q26934ea606f53a9d@mail.gmail.com> <48E1D255.4010101@fedoraproject.org> <1222763092.2427.1.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48E1E915.8090105@fedoraproject.org> Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 12:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Yes, the plan is to do new releases in lock step with new Fedora >> releases following the development cycle as much as possible (ie) do >> alpha, beta releases etc. Since rawhide is frozen before test and >> general releases, doing a compose from there (and no mirrors), makes it >> possible for me to even release earlier to official Fedora releases. >> Note that the current release is a live cd and not a dvd. I am not >> planning to do other variants at the moment. >> >> Rahul > > Where will regular update come from, > is there a yum system being put in place. It is just Fedora's updates. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 08:56:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:26:15 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48E1E9AF.7060101@fedoraproject.org> Luca Foppiano wrote: > > just few questions: > * Are you sure is necessary to have another distribution...quite equal > to another? Fedora already has different spins - xfce, kde, games, developer live cd and others. I maintain a couple of them even. This is essentially similar but rebranded since it used packages outside of the official Fedora repository. > * does it legal and possible to declare that "is a fedora based"?I heard > something about this (I remember something about "sombrero" [1]). I never used the term "Fedora based" in my announcements. Rahul. From luca at foppiano.org Tue Sep 30 09:27:50 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:27:50 +0200 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <48E1E9AF.7060101@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48E1E9AF.7060101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222766870.3849.21.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Fedora already has different spins - xfce, kde, games, developer live cd > and others. I maintain a couple of them even. This is essentially > similar but rebranded since it used packages outside of the official > Fedora repository. Spins belong to Fedora, maintains the same policy and the same rules. AFAIK Omega ship proprietary codec and non-free packages. is this true? If yes, I don't think official fedora spins ship that packages. > I never used the term "Fedora based" in my announcements. Is this phrase not the same? "Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that is based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM repository." I'm trying to understand if and what are the advantages to have another distribution. Luca -- Today is Pungenday, the 54th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 You will have many recoverable tape errors. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 09:51:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:21:05 +0530 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <1222766870.3849.21.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48E1E9AF.7060101@fedoraproject.org> <1222766870.3849.21.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48E1F689.9000605@fedoraproject.org> Luca Foppiano wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Fedora already has different spins - xfce, kde, games, developer live cd >> and others. I maintain a couple of them even. This is essentially >> similar but rebranded since it used packages outside of the official >> Fedora repository. > > Spins belong to Fedora, maintains the same policy and the same rules. > AFAIK Omega ship proprietary codec and non-free packages. is this true? > If yes, I don't think official fedora spins ship that packages. There is no proprietary codecs or non-free codecs in Omega. Some of them are potentially patent encumbered (only if you are in a region that considers software patents as valid) but nothing proprietary. Like I already mentioned, this is rebranded only because it includes third party software packages. The point is that it is not entirely different distribution. It is 100% compatible with Fedora. >> I never used the term "Fedora based" in my announcements. > > Is this phrase not the same? > "Omega is a desktop/mobile Linux distribution that is > based upon Fedora but includes packages from the Livna RPM repository." This is a quote from a article and not the announcement. The announcement is at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg00015.html > I'm trying to understand if and what are the advantages to have another > distribution. Like all the different spins, this is just a matter of convenience. Many of the Fedora users go to a third party repository like Livna to get additional software. This live cd reduces that hassle and makes things easier. Also for people who are relying on media (CD/DVD) instead of Internet connection for software, this live cd is more useful. Rahul From luca at foppiano.org Tue Sep 30 11:02:26 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:02:26 +0200 Subject: Omega 10 Desktop Linux In-Reply-To: <48E1F689.9000605@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E19613.1080106@fedoraproject.org> <1222762518.3849.6.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48E1E9AF.7060101@fedoraproject.org> <1222766870.3849.21.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48E1F689.9000605@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222772546.3849.30.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 15:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > There is no proprietary codecs or non-free codecs in Omega. Some of them > are potentially patent encumbered (only if you are in a region that > considers software patents as valid) but nothing proprietary. Like I > already mentioned, this is rebranded only because it includes third > party software packages. The point is that it is not entirely different > distribution. It is 100% compatible with Fedora. understand. > This is a quote from a article and not the announcement. The > announcement is at > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg00015.html ok, sorry I thought was your announcement. > Like all the different spins, this is just a matter of convenience. Many > of the Fedora users go to a third party repository like Livna to get > additional software. This live cd reduces that hassle and makes things > easier. Also for people who are relying on media (CD/DVD) instead of > Internet connection for software, this live cd is more useful. uhm, I understand...but you didn't convince me ;-) Luca -- Today is Pungenday, the 54th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 _Rosin_ core solder? But... From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 22:06:05 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:06:05 -0800 Subject: Getting out the vote for the Fedora 10 election season Message-ID: <604aa7910809301506x2afca5b8jfc10a86fe8997c89@mail.gmail.com> Okay campers, I'm here to try to jump start a discussion on what we can do to encourage people to participate in the upcoming Fedora election season. Lets see what we can do to encourage people to participate in the upcoming elections which will be held in Dec or Jan ( depending on F10 schedule changes) This time around we are having multiple elections at the same time. Doing it this way allows us to make a concerted push to increase the community awareness of all the elections/votes. For reference see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00080.html So what sort of things can we do? And when should we start doing them? As a start is there a general need to raise the awareness of the election and voting process we are using? Can we generate general interest material covering topics like: Why vote? How do you qualify for voting? What's this range voting stuff? And where do we want to put material in an effort to increase awareness? I've been persuaded into thinking we should try to start doing whatever it is we want to do about a month before the elections, to increase candidate as well as voter turn out. There's probably more elaborate things to do as well. Below are my more detailed thoughts on ideas I've heard or I've been actively thinking about myself. Yes, I know its long...but this time I gave you fair warning. If you have other ideas on what to do, feel free to jump in to the thread. Community Q/A: This is the one thing I've been thinking about a lot myself. I think we can try to encourage people to ask questions they want the candidates to answer as a way to frame the election and give all the candidates a better idea of what the voting community cares about. It's sort of a two part problem. One we just need to get people out there to ask questions. I think this comes down to communicating why each election matters. Can we do that as a marketing campaign? Can we "sell" the election process? And second, we need a way to organize those questions and resulting candidate answers so they are easily found. I've been talking to people specifically about how to organize some sort of community to candidate q/a. Nigel seems to have taken the bait and has a plan on how to integrate community questions AND nominations into the voting app for all elections. Try to ignore my overly complicated suggestion, and take a look at Nigel's response on this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/20#comment:1 He says he may be able to have this in place by early November. If this becomes available he also suggests we could open up q/a and nominations 3 to 4 weeks before the elections. If this functionality becomes available this could be a focus for a "get out the vote" campaign. Nominations: This was talked about a lot in the post-Board election fab discussion, and it was generally agreed that encouraging people to nominate others would help increase the candidate pool, because some people are not inclined to self-nominate. How do we go about encouraging people to nominate other people? I don't know exactly beyond blogging about it again. Nigel is way ahead of me on this and is already thinking about trying to support nominations in the voting app to reduce the administrative overhead. See: https://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/23 IRC Debate: Another idea floating around is organizing a candidate debate for each election. I can't take credit for this idea. It should be doable. My main concerning is how to generate the questions/topics for a debate format. This loops to my personal focus on trying to find a way generate questions from the community for candidates to answer. If you've got an idea on how to run a candidate debate for any of the elections, feel free to chime in. Meet the Candidate Videos: If candidates wanted to make introductory videos can we organize a space for candidates videos that makes it easier for people to find? Okay that's it from me. Thoughts? -jef