From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Dec 1 15:59:58 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:59:58 -0500 Subject: [in the news] What will Fedora 13 Linux be named? Message-ID: <4B153D7E.1050401@redhat.com> InternetNews.com 12.1.09 What will Fedora 13 Linux be named? By Sean Michael Kerner From the /'Linux Nomenclature/' files: Among the bits of minutiae that I personally find entertaining about the Linux distribution release cycle is how different distros come up with their respective release names. http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/12/what-will-fedora-13-linux-be-n.html From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 16:11:31 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:11:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091201161131.GH2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:38:56PM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here > > was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html > > > > Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html > > > > Robyn asked if there was a master list, > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html > > - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit > > it during our F13 planning discussions. > > Also, have a look at this. > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1813 > > This is not yet started, so suggestions will be valuable. :) Kam also passed me the login information for the Twitter account, and I'd like to do something with it other than just hold it. I'd like to make sure things are maintained cooperatively through a team, and it sounds like we're already making strides toward that goal, so right on! Obviously I don't just want to paste this login info to the wiki, but if someone has suggestions for how to handle it, I'm all ears. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From tatica at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 1 17:30:18 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:00:18 -0430 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <200911301505.58269.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200911301505.58269.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912010930i31ef6b85rf875a684c98e69a7@mail.gmail.com> Here is Spanish translation, might need a look but is done: http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt 2009/11/30 Ryan Rix > On Mon 30 November 2009 1:12:57 pm Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > The site requires flash. > > > > ? If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't > > require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an > > email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you > > with someone else willing and able to help. > > The last time I checked (read: Last night), VLC could play youtube links > when > passed the http://youtube.com/watch url from the command line, and that > gnash > played them in browser, both with the free-but-patent-encumbered codecs in > rpmfusion-free. > > So, no, you don't need proprietary software to view youtube. I use VLC with > youtube links daily. > > I too have had some bad experiences with blip.tv's upload service trying > to > get ABLEconf videos online. Blip.tv may be more Freedom oriented, but when > it > comes down to it, youtube+an ogv direct download accomplishes the same > thing > with much less effort :( > > Awesome videos, M?ir?n. Almost enough to inspire me to put my own ugly mug > onscreen ;-) > > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > countless other FOSS channels. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smooge at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 21:48:04 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:48:04 -0700 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <80d7e4090912011348j3db7aa00kdd6bb1e22bb36562@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > Hi Mar?a! > > On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 12:27 -0430, Mar?a Leandro wrote: >> Excelent!!! > >> There are some tools I didn't know so is awesome :D > >> Thank you for this amazing clip, and I finally can hear your voice :P > > Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like > this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, > because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and > discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. > Sweet! :) One of the oldest tech support wants was to have a dvd/cdrom of videos explaining to people how to do various things. Having a set of movies of how to: Know if Fedora is right for you How to run/install Fedora on your a) USB b) Single boot system c) Dual boot system How to log in, and what you can do. How to add/remove packages How to debug a problem How to make a video you can upload to XYZ. What is cool about this release. What is known problems about this release. > By the way, if anybody would like to submit translations, I can upload > them. YouTube seems to have a really cool captioning system and it seems > to auto-detect where each line should go in the video. > > Here is the raw English transcript to translate: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt > > ~m > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From delete at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 01:33:33 2009 From: delete at fedoraproject.org (Matias Kreder) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:33 -0300 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <20091201161131.GH2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> <20091201161131.GH2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:38:56PM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> > To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here >> > was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html >> > >> > Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html >> > >> > Robyn asked if there was a master list, >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html >> > - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit >> > it during our F13 planning discussions. >> >> Also, have a look at this. >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1813 >> >> This is not yet started, so suggestions will be valuable. :) > > Kam also passed me the login information for the Twitter account, and > I'd like to do something with it other than just hold it. ?I'd like to > make sure things are maintained cooperatively through a team, and it > sounds like we're already making strides toward that goal, so right > on! > > Obviously I don't just want to paste this login info to the wiki, but > if someone has suggestions for how to handle it, I'm all ears. It would be good if we can use hootsuite.com or cotweet.com in order to share the account with anyone who wants to contribute tweeting. Both pages are good and this way we don't need to be sharing the password. I would like to know your opinion about sharing the account this way. > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Mat?as Kreder Fedora Ambassador fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatiasKreder From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 02:13:12 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:13:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> <20091201161131.GH2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091202021312.GF19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:33:33PM -0300, Matias Kreder wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:38:56PM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > >> > To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here > >> > was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: > >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html > >> > > >> > Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: > >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html > >> > > >> > Robyn asked if there was a master list, > >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html > >> > - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit > >> > it during our F13 planning discussions. > >> > >> Also, have a look at this. > >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1813 > >> > >> This is not yet started, so suggestions will be valuable. :) > > > > Kam also passed me the login information for the Twitter account, and > > I'd like to do something with it other than just hold it. ?I'd like to > > make sure things are maintained cooperatively through a team, and it > > sounds like we're already making strides toward that goal, so right > > on! > > > > Obviously I don't just want to paste this login info to the wiki, but > > if someone has suggestions for how to handle it, I'm all ears. > > It would be good if we can use hootsuite.com or cotweet.com in order > to share the account with anyone who wants to contribute tweeting. > Both pages are good and this way we don't need to be sharing the > password. > > I would like to know your opinion about sharing the account this way. It's certainly an option. I am trying it right now, but having a problem that's likely a stupid user error (mine). If Matias and I get it figured out, and if it looks to be a FAQ item we'll document it, but I suspect it's just me not understanding the tool. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 02:18:25 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:18:25 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B143E9B.2040702@linuxgrrl.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B143E9B.2040702@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <20091202021825.GG19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 04:52:27PM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Gregory Maxwell wrote: > >! No, I didn't. We all have important things to do with our time, there > >is no crime in not taking some step, even an easy one, when we think > >doing so will conserve some resources. > > Hey, let's be fair. I tried to do it the right way from the start. > It was far from easy. Unfortunately, good A/V production tools are not a strong point in FOSS, although there are several notable projects in progress to try and correct them. I'm concerned about the encoding stuff in particular, though -- I hate to ask, Mo, but did you get a chance to file a bug about the encoding problems you faced? If not, maybe someone here who's got a keen interest in moving the free-software-top-to-bottom stack forward would ilke to reproduce from your description earlier in the thread, and then handle the filing of the bug(s) and follow-up. That seems like a very constructive way forward. I enjoyed the video. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 02:18:56 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:18:56 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20091202021856.GH19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:18:36PM +0100, wonderer wrote: > Flash was for me no problem. I wonder if anyone else tried Gnash? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 02:29:56 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:29:56 -0700 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> Greetings all, The basis for this email comes from discussions in the marketing meeting earlier today; logs aren't posted (yet), but in a nutshell it was more or less a brainstorming sprint on what projects we (marketing) would like to tackle for F13. The brainstorming list is also getting written up in wiki form, so that will be forthcoming as well, but I'm going to write while it's still in my brain... Are there specific overall goals for F13 posted / written down / being discussed? Or is this something being discussed at fudcon? The only reference I could find was in a sticksterblogpost (http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2848). The reason I ask is because...it would be ideal to really tie what we are doing to the higher goals of Fedora. Not necessarily doing one-off projects / tasks - although those certainly are awesome too, especially if we discover that they are super valuable or well-received - but more really ensuring that we are coming up with ideas / tasks that assist in reaching F13 goals. Of course, some of these are fairly simple; I'd assume that "getting F13 out the door by XYZ date" is a goal of sorts, and the straightforward marketing work we do - one-page release notes, in-depth features, etc. ties in with that. But there are, I'd hope, some higher, not entirely black-and-white goals - perhaps things like "increasing user base," or something similar - where we should be picking tasks to help drive us on the big, happy road towards that end goal. So as we drill down towards a final task list, I think (now, where'd I put my soapbox? :D) that it would be great to have those goals out there - if we have them - to help us prioritize what we, as a marketing team, would like to do. Because while we seem to have endless ideas, unfortunately, we do not have infinite time and other resources (money, caffeine, and so forth) - and I would love to see the awesome brainpower and resources we do have be put to the most effective use. And if there aren't goals out there yet - are they forthcoming? :) -Robyn From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 04:54:40 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:54:40 -0700 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200912012154.44746.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> On Tue 1 December 2009 7:29:56 pm Robyn Bergeron wrote: > The brainstorming list is > also getting written up in wiki form, so that will be forthcoming as > well, but I'm going to write while it's still in my brain... > Oopsiforgot. :-) Thanks for the reminder https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm We really want to get the entire Marketing team in on this, so please add your thoughts to the ideas that are already there, and please add new entries if you have them!! Thanks and best, Ryan Rix, TNG (Your donuts and coffee are incoming :^) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Dec 2 05:27:23 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:27:23 -0500 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 19:29 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Of course, some of these are fairly simple; I'd assume that "getting > F13 out the door by XYZ date" is a goal of sorts, and the > straightforward marketing work we do - one-page release notes, > in-depth features, etc. ties in with that. But there are, I'd hope, > some higher, not entirely black-and-white goals - perhaps things like > "increasing user base," or something similar - where we should be > picking tasks to help drive us on the big, happy road towards that end > goal. > > So as we drill down towards a final task list, I think (now, where'd I > put my soapbox? :D) that it would be great to have those goals out > there - if we have them - to help us prioritize what we, as a > marketing team, would like to do. Because while we seem to have > endless ideas, unfortunately, we do not have infinite time and other > resources (money, caffeine, and so forth) - and I would love to see > the awesome brainpower and resources we do have be put to the most > effective use. Throwing some ideas for measurable-ish goals out there: - Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary desktop OS. - Have 1 Fedora-specific article a month until F13's release dugg up to the front page of digg.com. - Get 20,000 views of Fedora video content in a month. (I've gotten over 1,000 on my Fedora 5 fun things videos alone in two days) - Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and each contribute at least one thing. - Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide. ('Fedora worldwide tour' hehe). Give away at least 200 copies of Fedora across these meetings. ~m From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 06:46:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:46:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <20091202021312.GF19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> <20091201161131.GH2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091202021312.GF19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B160D46.4060309@redhat.com> >>> Obviously I don't just want to paste this login info to the wiki, but >>> if someone has suggestions for how to handle it, I'm all ears. So we haven't actually used our FAS group membership for anything useful yet, but it could hypothetically do access control for a document with the login information for these kinds of social networking sites. ...yes, that made the (not particularly knowledgeable, either) security part of my brain twitch. But I imagine it's a thought that others might be able to improve on. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 07:40:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:40:17 -0500 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1619E1.5080008@redhat.com> > Are there specific overall goals for F13 posted / written down / being > discussed? Or is this something being discussed at fudcon? Wow. Thanks for asking this, Robyn - I forwarded it to the http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board because I think that's where the best discussions/answers are likely to come out. Thread is here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-December/msg00006.html --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 07:42:29 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:42:29 -0500 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> > Throwing some ideas for measurable-ish goals out there: Ported to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm#Potential_goals as well. Ryan, thanks for aggregating and posting the notes! (And also inadvertently reminding me I didn't send out meeting minutes, which I'll do momentarily... I wonder what this email is going to remind somebody of?) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 07:43:33 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:43:33 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-01 Message-ID: <4B161AA5.6020007@redhat.com> Posted on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-01/fedora-meeting.2009-12-01-20.02.html Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-01/fedora-meeting.2009-12-01-20.02.log.html --Mel From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 2 08:01:10 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:01:10 +0200 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <20091202021825.GG19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B143E9B.2040702@linuxgrrl.com> <20091202021825.GG19612@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B161EC6.2070709@nicubunu.ro> On 12/02/2009 04:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Unfortunately, good A/V production tools are not a strong point in > FOSS, although there are several notable projects in progress to try > and correct them. > > I'm concerned about the encoding stuff in particular, though -- I hate > to ask, Mo, but did you get a chance to file a bug about the encoding > problems you faced? If not, maybe someone here who's got a keen > interest in moving the free-software-top-to-bottom stack forward would > ilke to reproduce from your description earlier in the thread, and > then handle the filing of the bug(s) and follow-up. That seems like a > very constructive way forward. A problem is, in F12 we seems to have some regressions making the things worse, for example I am unable to record any usable screencast due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525155 And PiTiVi, which is out best option as a video editor, is in such a sore state, despite being under development for years... Maybe is the time for us as a community to do something about that. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 08:25:45 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (loupgaroublond at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:25:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: Post FUDCon Survey Message-ID: Hey List, Has there been some thought given to doing a post FUDCon survey like we've done in the past? I asked Mel about this, but she wasn't sure what the status of implementing some survey software was. If possible, i would like to be able to run a small survey (<5 questions) about Fedora Live after FUDCon so we can see where it was most effective and where it fell flat. Cheers, Yaakov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The first try because the video was over 10 minutes, so I > had to split it and re-render it, then upload again.) Just an interlude: I am not sure about PiTiVi, but usually when you split a video (mencoder, avidemux, whatever...) you don't need to re-render it, saving a segment with the same encodings should be *very fast*. > If we want to make a drive for this I think we need to get the bugs in > the encoders fixed, and we should also decide on a proper place to host > the videos (I will say YouTube's caption feature is great - I didn't > have to set up time stamps at all and it's very close to being in-sync) > and have some documentation for getting the uploaded and working with > some troubleshooting information. Maybe we can get them hosted somehow on our servers, we don't need streaming or Flash, people with HTML5-enabled browsers should be able to see them. Note: I agree is important to put the videos where the viewers are, so upload copies on YouTube, Vimeo, Blip.tv, etc. but would like to have also the "original" somewhere is a Free format. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From taljurf at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 10:39:47 2009 From: taljurf at fedoraproject.org (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:39:47 +0300 Subject: Uploading own work Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0912020239x4cf46b7fm336e45a6e7ce6494@mail.gmail.com> Hi All I couldn't join the marketing meeting because it was 12am in my local time I wanted to discuss this http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-01/fedora-meeting.2009-12-01-20.02.log.html#l-147 I thought about the same last week. I've found a better way for anyone to upload his work, My Idea is to have a site similar to the sites: linuxmint-art.org and ubuntu-art.org... I've contacted someone from Mint and he told me that the site is maintained by opendesktop.org . He also told me that he thinks that they'll be happy to maintain a similar site for Fedora, and suggested that i contact them through the form on their site. So I did, but till now i got no response. Regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 2 11:40:52 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:40:52 +0200 Subject: Uploading own work In-Reply-To: <12d8a2fa0912020239x4cf46b7fm336e45a6e7ce6494@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d8a2fa0912020239x4cf46b7fm336e45a6e7ce6494@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B165244.7010307@nicubunu.ro> On 12/02/2009 12:39 PM, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: > > I thought about the same last week. > I've found a better way for anyone to upload his work, > My Idea is to have a site similar to the sites: linuxmint-art.org > and ubuntu-art.org... We at the Design Team are looking for la long time for a way to easily share the work, evaluated a number of options and were not happy with any of them. At first we tried to use the wiki, but is hard to navigate and it won't scale: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras Then we had a running instance of Gallery 2 and it lacks a lot of needed features: http://publictest7.fedoraproject.org/gallery2/main.php There are also a good deal of other galleries (like ccHost) but all of them are far from perfect. Oh, and there is this test instance of Plogger, from marketing/ambassadors: http://publictest16.fedoraproject.org/plogger/ > I've contacted someone from Mint and he told me that the site is > maintained by opendesktop.org . > He also told me that he thinks that they'll be happy to maintain a > similar site for Fedora, and suggested that i contact them through the > form on their site. So I did, but till now i got no response. I am not thrilled about running any part of our infrastructure on a closed platform hosted on a 3-rd party site. Duh! "Copyright 2007-2009 openDesktop.org Team" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From taljurf at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 12:29:37 2009 From: taljurf at fedoraproject.org (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:29:37 +0300 Subject: Uploading own work In-Reply-To: <4B165244.7010307@nicubunu.ro> References: <12d8a2fa0912020239x4cf46b7fm336e45a6e7ce6494@mail.gmail.com> <4B165244.7010307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0912020429h82ec5b6n7d5ec8da776cdb6f@mail.gmail.com> Maybe we can establish and host our own similar site using the same (open source) code they're using. What do you think of it? 2009/12/2 Nicu Buculei > On 12/02/2009 12:39 PM, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: > >> >> I thought about the same last week. >> I've found a better way for anyone to upload his work, >> My Idea is to have a site similar to the sites: linuxmint-art.org >> and ubuntu-art.org... >> > > We at the Design Team are looking for la long time for a way to easily > share the work, evaluated a number of options and were not happy with any of > them. > > At first we tried to use the wiki, but is hard to navigate and it won't > scale: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras > > Then we had a running instance of Gallery 2 and it lacks a lot of needed > features: http://publictest7.fedoraproject.org/gallery2/main.php > > There are also a good deal of other galleries (like ccHost) but all of them > are far from perfect. > > Oh, and there is this test instance of Plogger, from marketing/ambassadors: > http://publictest16.fedoraproject.org/plogger/ > > I've contacted someone from Mint and he told me that the site is >> maintained by opendesktop.org . >> >> He also told me that he thinks that they'll be happy to maintain a >> similar site for Fedora, and suggested that i contact them through the >> form on their site. So I did, but till now i got no response. >> > > I am not thrilled about running any part of our infrastructure on a closed > platform hosted on a 3-rd party site. Duh! "Copyright 2007-2009 > openDesktop.org Team" > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 13:24:33 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:54:33 -0430 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912020524x58de061o36d5ed4895ca012a@mail.gmail.com> Hello all! :D I found this awesome test to choose your "Linux Distribution" and we could do something like this but to users choose which Fedora .iso download. Sound good? http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ 2009/12/2 Mel Chua > Throwing some ideas for measurable-ish goals out there: >> > > Ported to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm#Potential_goals as > well. > > Ryan, thanks for aggregating and posting the notes! (And also inadvertently > reminding me I didn't send out meeting minutes, which I'll do momentarily... > I wonder what this email is going to remind somebody of?) > > --Mel > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Dec 2 14:22:25 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:22:25 -0500 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0912020524x58de061o36d5ed4895ca012a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912020524x58de061o36d5ed4895ca012a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259763745.2178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:54 -0430, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Hello all! :D > I found this awesome test to choose your "Linux Distribution" and we > could do something like this but to users choose which Fedora .iso > download. This would be a really cool kind of thing to put on spins.fedoraproject.org to point people to a spin that fits them... ~m From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 14:44:00 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:14:00 -0430 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <1259763745.2178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912020524x58de061o36d5ed4895ca012a@mail.gmail.com> <1259763745.2178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912020644g7ee5535bpd3814f54f309264f@mail.gmail.com> Yes! and also a small link on get.fedora that could say: Still don't know which Fedora download? Take this test and figured out! (with a better english, of course) 2009/12/2 M?ir?n Duffy > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:54 -0430, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hello all! :D > > > I found this awesome test to choose your "Linux Distribution" and we > > could do something like this but to users choose which Fedora .iso > > download. > > This would be a really cool kind of thing to put on > spins.fedoraproject.org to point people to a spin that fits them... > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 17:03:00 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:03:00 -0500 Subject: Marketing responses to the user research plan Message-ID: <4B169DC4.2090703@redhat.com> Thanks to Tatica for an awesome user research interview! (It was *so* much fun.) The super-short summary is on the table: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Stakeholders The longer summary is on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Marketing And the raw log is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2009-11-29/fedora-design.2009-11-29-21.55.log.html. I've also linked it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Chime in on the notes if you have anything else to add - I'd love for our stakeholder interview notes to represent as many of our voices as possible. --Mel From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 2 17:12:05 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:42:05 -0430 Subject: Marketing responses to the user research plan In-Reply-To: <4B169DC4.2090703@redhat.com> References: <4B169DC4.2090703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912020912i51eb0c62g7f01e06eba382e27@mail.gmail.com> Was a complete pleasure :D 2009/12/2 Mel Chua > Thanks to Tatica for an awesome user research interview! (It was *so* much > fun.) > > The super-short summary is on the table: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Stakeholders > > The longer summary is on the wiki page: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Marketing > > And the raw log is at > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2009-11-29/fedora-design.2009-11-29-21.55.log.html. > I've also linked it from > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. > > Chime in on the notes if you have anything else to add - I'd love for our > stakeholder interview notes to represent as many of our voices as possible. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 17:09:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:09:46 -0500 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> On 12/02/2009 03:25 AM, loupgaroublond at gmail.com wrote: > Hey List, > > Has there been some thought given to doing a post FUDCon survey like > we've done in the past? I asked Mel about this, but she wasn't sure what > the status of implementing some survey software was. > > If possible, i would like to be able to run a small survey (<5 > questions) about Fedora Live after FUDCon so we can see where it was > most effective and where it fell flat. > > Cheers, > Yaakov > So, I found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:Marketing_surveys and noted that we've used email and keysurvey in the past, neither of which sound like actual good long-term solutions to me. I think Robyn was working on getting limesurvey up into our infrastructure, not sure what the status on that is or what remaining work needs to be done before limesurvey hits production. One temporary solution (just for the FUDCon survey) before that goes into production would be http://www.limeservice.com, which is a free hosted limesurvey service (well, the "free" part comes with usage limitations, but I think it might work as a temporary fix). I hesitate a little at temporary fixes because they have a way of becoming permanent, but if we're vigilant about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? Any other thoughts? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 17:11:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:11:30 -0500 Subject: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0912020644g7ee5535bpd3814f54f309264f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912011829p673f66bdteb96b6faf6801ec4@mail.gmail.com> <1259731643.2433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B161A65.5030402@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912020524x58de061o36d5ed4895ca012a@mail.gmail.com> <1259763745.2178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0912020644g7ee5535bpd3814f54f309264f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B169FC2.7010803@redhat.com> On 12/02/2009 09:44 AM, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Yes! > > and also a small link on get.fedora that could say: > > Still don't know which Fedora download? > Take this test and figured out! Added to brainstorm list, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm#Spin_chooser. Now we just need to find someone interested in picking up on this. ;) --Mel From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 17:42:57 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:42:57 +0100 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> References: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Mel Chua : > On 12/02/2009 03:25 AM, loupgaroublond at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hey List, >> >> Has there been some thought given to doing a post FUDCon survey like >> we've done in the past? I asked Mel about this, but she wasn't sure what >> the status of implementing some survey software was. >> >> If possible, i would like to be able to run a small survey (<5 >> questions) about Fedora Live after FUDCon so we can see where it was >> most effective and where it fell flat. >> >> Cheers, >> Yaakov >> > > So, I found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:Marketing_surveys and > noted that we've used email and keysurvey in the past, neither of which > sound like actual good long-term solutions to me. > > I think Robyn was working on getting limesurvey up into our infrastructure, > not sure what the status on that is or what remaining work needs to be done > before limesurvey hits production. > > One temporary solution (just for the FUDCon survey) before that goes into > production would be http://www.limeservice.com, which is a free hosted > limesurvey service (well, the "free" part comes with usage limitations, but > I think it might work as a temporary fix). I hesitate a little at temporary > fixes because they have a way of becoming permanent, but if we're vigilant > about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously > schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? FUDCon comes with hackfests. No? -Yaakov From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 17:46:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:46:46 -0500 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16A806.7030605@redhat.com> >> about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously >> schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? > > FUDCon comes with hackfests. No? Got time to run one? ;) Most of my energies on Sunday and Monday are going to be going towards getting Fedora Insight launched at the Zikula hackfest (WE WILL NEED HELP. COME HELP US!), so I can't chip in then... --Mel From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Dec 2 19:05:33 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:05:33 -0200 Subject: Fedora 12 hits the printed newpapers at Nicaragua In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16BA7D.4060007@projetofedora.org> Em 22-11-2009 17:42, Neville A. Cross escreveu: > Hello, > > I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist > from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 > This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release > note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was honored > to collaborate. > > Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail > have a good response: (spanish) > http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077 > > I am looking to include this hit in the press archive. As Nicaraguan > Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press > hits. > > Best regards > Excellent Neville! Congratulation by the excellent job that Fedora Nicaragua is doing to promote Fedora 12. -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Dec 2 19:50:27 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:50:27 -0500 Subject: LinkedIn: so many Fedora-related groups Message-ID: <4B16C503.7000709@nd.edu> I carved out some time to do some background on the current LinkedIn Fedora-related groups. As a starting point, I thought I would report out here what I found and suggest some next steps. Fedora (1,733 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=49737 Owners/Managers: Francesco Crippa, Paul W. Frields, Pascal Calarco, Jon Stanley Fedora Project (150 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=55981 Owner: Marek Mahut Fedora Ambassadors (90 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=118086 Owner: Magie Gaffud-Antonio Fedoraproject users (21 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=137626 Owner: Henrik Heigl Fedora Tunisia (8 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=74564 Owner: M'Barek Nihed The Fedora Project Community in India (8 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=715567 Owner: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay RPM Fusion (6 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=849277 Owner: Xavier Lamien Fedora Linux (5 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1576067& Owner: Naresh Kumar FZUG - Fedora Chinese User Group - Fedora ????? - Fedora ???? (2 members) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1090317 Owner: Blue (Yijun) Yuan Fedora project (1 member) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2493009 Owner: Ilmars Dinbirs Fedora Bangladesh (1 member) http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2102941 Owner: Ashiqur Rahman So there's some overlap in the general groups above. To what extent does everyone think we should try to reduce the number of these? I do think the regional groups are good and serve a different scope of purpose than the general group. If there are a number of us working on the social networking piece who will be at FUDCon, perhaps this might be a candidate for HackFesting Sunday/Monday. - pascal ----- Pascal Calarco Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA Editorial Team, Fedora Weekly News From mackay3 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:26:34 2009 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:26:34 -0600 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B162602.3050102@nicubunu.ro> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> <4B144188.5090104@linuxgrrl.com> <4B162602.3050102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00912021526y4de6b1bk4780689143d16f7b@mail.gmail.com> Pitivi's bug of desynched audio/video has a while being around reported before this. No solution yet. On top of that, OpenShot suffers from similar problems -.-. (yah yah, bugs filed up and reported trough the appropiate channels long ago) 2009/12/2 Nicu Buculei > On 12/01/2009 12:04 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> >> It took around 12 hours, but it could have taken 6 or less if I didn't >> end up having so many problems encoding it and uploading it. Everything >> through editing the clips together and adding titles was very >> straightforward. But it was extremely painful and time-consuming to >> render them, and very difficult to upload them. (Even YouTube failed the >> first 3 tries. The first try because the video was over 10 minutes, so I >> had to split it and re-render it, then upload again.) >> > > Just an interlude: I am not sure about PiTiVi, but usually when you split a > video (mencoder, avidemux, whatever...) you don't need to re-render it, > saving a segment with the same encodings should be *very fast*. > > > If we want to make a drive for this I think we need to get the bugs in >> the encoders fixed, and we should also decide on a proper place to host >> the videos (I will say YouTube's caption feature is great - I didn't >> have to set up time stamps at all and it's very close to being in-sync) >> and have some documentation for getting the uploaded and working with >> some troubleshooting information. >> > > Maybe we can get them hosted somehow on our servers, we don't need > streaming or Flash, people with HTML5-enabled browsers should be able to see > them. > > Note: I agree is important to put the videos where the viewers are, so > upload copies on YouTube, Vimeo, Blip.tv, etc. but would like to have also > the "original" somewhere is a Free format. > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Dec 3 06:08:57 2009 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:08:57 -0600 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B1755F9.1030405@prodigy.net.mx> El 30/11/09 13:57, Mel Chua escribi?: >> Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like >> this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, >> because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and >> discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. >> Sweet! :) > > MEME TIME! > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul) > >> Here is the raw English transcript to translate: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt >> > > So, ah... > > 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and > I've heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd > 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though > it's harder for me to translate things into Chinese). > 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our > translation workflow. > > So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and > have... > http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt > > > What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my > Spanish.) > > Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really > appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into > getting http://www.jubler.org/ and > http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and > going on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects. > > --Mel > I'm going through what you wrote, the rough idea is there, but needs a bit of polish... I'm currently working on it and will post it somewhere once I've got it... I've been meaning to do some Spanish translation work for Fedora for years now, but being a physician, and now going through my residency is a bit difficult to find time to work on anything else. From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 3 12:27:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:27:11 -0800 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields Message-ID: <031130db589b45836fedf001166f55d1@localhost.localdomain> On 11/25/2009 04:52 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Kara Schiltz wrote: >> LWN >> 11.24.09 >> >> Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields >> By Rebecca Sobol >> >> Last week, just before the final release of Fedora 12 was announced >> , I had the opportunity to speak with >> Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields. The following article is based on that >> conversation. >> >> Full article: >> http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ For those of you without a LWN subscription, this article (an interview with Paul on F12) became freely available today. --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 12:31:37 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:31:37 -0500 Subject: Fwd: F13 goals and marketing objectives... In-Reply-To: <4B160F0C.6060908@redhat.com> References: <4B160F0C.6060908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091203123137.GA2848@victoria.internal.frields.org> Robyn Bergeron originally wrote: > Are there specific overall goals for F13 posted / written down / being > discussed? Or is this something being discussed at fudcon? The only > reference I could find was in a sticksterblogpost > (http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2848). The blog post in question talks about a specific facet of the distribution, but not the Project overall or marketing in any sense. > The reason I ask is because...it would be ideal to really tie what we > are doing to the higher goals of Fedora. Not necessarily doing > one-off projects / tasks - although those certainly are awesome too, > especially if we discover that they are super valuable or > well-received - but more really ensuring that we are coming up with > ideas / tasks that assist in reaching F13 goals. > > Of course, some of these are fairly simple; I'd assume that "getting > F13 out the door by XYZ date" is a goal of sorts, and the > straightforward marketing work we do - one-page release notes, > in-depth features, etc. ties in with that. But there are, I'd hope, > some higher, not entirely black-and-white goals - perhaps things like > "increasing user base," or something similar - where we should be > picking tasks to help drive us on the big, happy road towards that end > goal. We are always trying to increase the size of our contributor community, by providing any interested person (often a user) the tools and knowledge needed to join, find a team and tasks that align with his or her interests, and produce a useful result that gives that person a sense of accomplishment and connection. The Marketing team is particularly bi-directional in its pursuit of that goal. In one sense, Marketing should produce general information or roadmap (i.e. knowledge) and ensure that effectively gets into the hands of those potential contributors. Scaling outward from the Fedora Project, so to speak. In another sense, Marketing, just like any other Fedora Project component, should do its best to provide a clear set of specific tasks and processes so that people interested in doing marketing work can get involved in the team -- scaling outward, *inside* the Fedora Project. > So as we drill down towards a final task list, I think (now, where'd I > put my soapbox? :D) that it would be great to have those goals out > there - if we have them - to help us prioritize what we, as a > marketing team, would like to do. Because while we seem to have > endless ideas, unfortunately, we do not have infinite time and other > resources (money, caffeine, and so forth) - and I would love to see > the awesome brainpower and resources we do have be put to the most > effective use. > > And if there aren't goals out there yet - are they forthcoming? :) When it comes to Marketing, I think with each release we should be: * Improving our ability to produce the comprehensive set of materials used for release marketing -- whether that means producing something additional, like the one-page release notes, or reducing chaff and avoiding duplication * Building and documenting (!) a process by which we efficiently get marketing material in the hands of all FOSS-interested media outlets with a minimum of confusion For Fedora 13, the biggest and most obvious goals for Marketing and tying into Fedora overall that I can see are: * Getting Fedora Insight -- that is, the Zikula instance where we'll start to centralize and showcase marketing material, documentation, news, and media -- up and running * Cross-training a number of individuals on the team to provide the necessary support for administering the Zikula system, avoiding SPoF's... ensuring that as leadership changes in Marketing over time, which is natural and expected, we have enough informed people to review, stage and publish material * Improve cross-team communication and participation between Marketing, Docs, and QA so that release docs are as timely as possible, and that we are highlighting prominent improvements and changes in a Fedora release * Highlighting the superior engineering in Fedora, which is something I think we don't always call out as well as we could... there are a ton of amazingly smart and experienced people working in the Fedora community, and the work of that large and technically savvy group ensures Fedora continues to make good decisions about technologies and approaches. We don't always get it 100% right off the bat, but the good judgment of these folks means we usually steer clear of Band-Aid approaches that would bite us (or our users) later. * Finding a sustainable rate for producing interesting material throughout a release cycle, to smooth out (somewhat) the peaks-and-troughs graph of workload that occurs over a release cycle. This is a pretty tough one to do in one cycle, and I suspect we will learn it over iterations, much as we've done with many other processes, e.g. the release schedule. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Dec 4 01:06:59 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:59 -0800 Subject: Fedora 13 Draft Schedule Message-ID: <4B1860B3.7020901@redhat.com> Greetings, Below are some links to the schedule I've drafted for Fedora 13. Most of it is automatically generated based on how we built the Fedora 12 schedule. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html In some cases the tasks may not line up correctly for Fedora 13 which I'll need to know about. In others you may want to make adjustments based on how things went during Fedora 12. That is perfectly fine too :) I would like to review this in person at FUDCon on Sunday (2009-12-06) during one of the hackfest sessions. In the meantime feel free to reply with obvious errors or changes you'd like me to make before we meet. Look forward to talking soon. John From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 16:36:10 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:36:10 -0700 Subject: Press Interaction Brainstorming... Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912040836xa7fcc6obe706aa6abfd251c@mail.gmail.com> #1) Have we ever considered doing a... ahem... let me put on my deep voice hat... "Live Interactive Webcast!" for press / analysts? Something along the lines of (a) here's a tour of Fedora and what it's all about, (b) here are some of the key stakeholders who are going to talk about features, talking points, etc., (c) does anyone have any questions? #2) Is there any time during RH Summit where the press people are already corralled into a room where we can sneak in 15-30 minutes on the tail end for presenting and such? From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 20:41:21 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:41:21 -0700 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: <4B16A806.7030605@redhat.com> References: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> <4B16A806.7030605@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912041241n6fcb4fe9xef59c2ddfe036472@mail.gmail.com> If someone is interested in getting the infrastructure up internally while you guys are at FUDCon (btw, my status is I fail, I haven't even filed tickets yet... sorry!) I can get the questions up this weekend on it. Alternately, if that's not possible, I can do the temporary, JUST TEMPORARY, fix of doing it on limeservice. Yaakov, can you send the questions you were interested in asking to the list? I'll add them to the other list of questions (they will resemble what is in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys/FUDConF9 ... with obvious changes about dates/places, etc), post the full final question list to the mailing list for general approval, and get them up. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry I'm not there :) -Robyn On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously >>> schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? >> >> FUDCon comes with hackfests. No? > > Got time to run one? ;) Most of my energies on Sunday and Monday are going > to be going towards getting Fedora Insight launched at the Zikula hackfest > (WE WILL NEED HELP. COME HELP US!), so I can't chip in then... > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 21:36:59 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:36:59 -0700 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912041241n6fcb4fe9xef59c2ddfe036472@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> <4B16A806.7030605@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912041241n6fcb4fe9xef59c2ddfe036472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912041336gc2b3c72qc5dac8e8045a8235@mail.gmail.com> And a heads up - Limeservice allows 25 free respondents, after that there is a fee ($10 for 100, $22 for 250, etc.) I'm assuming we would have more than 25, but if there is more than 100 (or I guess, 125) then let me know, if that is the route we want to go down -temporarily- :) -Robyn On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > If someone is interested in getting the infrastructure up internally > while you guys are at FUDCon (btw, my status is I fail, I haven't even > filed tickets yet... sorry!) I can get the questions up this weekend > on it. > > Alternately, if that's not possible, I can do the temporary, JUST > TEMPORARY, fix of doing it on limeservice. > > Yaakov, can you send the questions you were interested in asking to > the list? ?I'll add them to the other list of questions (they will > resemble what is in > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys/FUDConF9 ... with > obvious changes about dates/places, etc), post the full final question > list to the mailing list for general approval, and get them up. > > Let me know what you guys think. ?Sorry I'm not there :) > > -Robyn > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>>> about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously >>>> schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? >>> >>> FUDCon comes with hackfests. No? >> >> Got time to run one? ;) Most of my energies on Sunday and Monday are going >> to be going towards getting Fedora Insight launched at the Zikula hackfest >> (WE WILL NEED HELP. COME HELP US!), so I can't chip in then... >> >> --Mel >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > From nigjones at redhat.com Sat Dec 5 00:19:42 2009 From: nigjones at redhat.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Board, FESCo & FAmSCo Elections - Voting Information In-Reply-To: <1846964.1861259971953089.JavaMail.nigjones@njones.bne.redhat.com> Message-ID: <9440004.1881259972380235.JavaMail.nigjones@njones.bne.redhat.com> Hi Everyone, The elections for the Fedora Board, Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) and the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee have been created and are due to start at 0000 UTC on 5th December 2009 and are scheduled to run until 2359 UTC on 15th December 2009. All groups have chosen to use the Range Voting method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting). 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Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/famscof13 Townhall Log: * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings:Town_Hall_FAmSCo_2009-11-28_1800 * http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-townhall/2009-11-30/famsco-townhall.2009-11-30-17.58.log.html *** I'd also like to point out the following from Paul Frields' announcement for the June 2008 Board Election: "I'd like everyone voting to remember that this isn't a popularity contest, or a reward system. Think about how you'd like to Board to look when you vote, the same way you think about how you'd like any government body to look when you cast votes for their elections. We have a lot of worthy candidates on this list, and you should pick the ones that you feel will best represent you in advancing the Fedora Project. This is one of numerous ways in which our community makes decisions about the leadership of Fedora. Your vote counts, and I hope you take advantage of it." *** This advice is still valid, not just for the Fedora Board election but for all three elections. Thanks also go to John Rose and other volunteers who have helped with organising and running Town Hall meetings for these elections. Regards, Nigel Jones Fedora Election Admin From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 11:54:00 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (loupgaroublond at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:54:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: Post FUDCon Live Survey Message-ID: Hey List, I've been asked to put up a list of questions for Post FUDCon Survey goodness. I basically want to know the following, so feel free to interpret the questions if you know better than i: I want to know, in no particular order: How useful FL was to the surveyee How many channels did they sit in at once Did they use it from home or from FUDCon Did they follow other feeds like video and audio Did they follow other feeds like social media Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of FL Did they participate in the channels or did they just sit and watch. How many sessions did they follow What timezone they are in Did they find IRC easy to use, and easy to navigate How long have they been using Fedora How long have they been using Linux How long have they been a member of the Fedora Project (if at all) If they didn't follow the channels, how valuable are the logs after the fact Most of these translate to single questions, i'm going to refine this list further, it might be useful to put this up on the wiki. -Yaakov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me add a few more: Did you transcribe a session? How many? Was the documentation clear what you were supposed to do? Did you feel like there was alot of interaction on the IRC channel? Did you take any questions from IRC? If so, how many? Did you volunteer to transcribe a session? Did the session leader openly ask for a transcriber? How many people in your session volunteered to transcribe. Is English your native tongue? > > -Yaakov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 272 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 12:55:58 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:55:58 -0700 Subject: Post FUDCon Live Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912050455q4e566538jccc8dc65aecefc20@mail.gmail.com> I'll add these, or mix them in, with the existing question set from previous fudcons, and post the list later today. -robyn On 12/5/09, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > 2009/12/5 : >> Hey List, >> >> I've been asked to put up a list of questions for Post FUDCon Survey >> goodness. ?I basically want to know the following, so feel free to >> interpret >> the questions if you know better than i: >> >> I want to know, in no particular order: >> >> How useful FL was to the surveyee >> How many channels did they sit in at once >> Did they use it from home or from FUDCon >> Did they follow other feeds like video and audio >> Did they follow other feeds like social media >> Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of FL >> Did they participate in the channels or did they just sit and watch. >> How many sessions did they follow >> What timezone they are in >> Did they find IRC easy to use, and easy to navigate >> How long have they been using Fedora >> How long have they been using Linux >> How long have they been a member of the Fedora Project (if at all) >> If they didn't follow the channels, how valuable are the logs after the >> fact >> >> Most of these translate to single questions, i'm going to refine this >> list >> further, it might be useful to put this up on the wiki. > > > Let me add a few more: > > Did you transcribe a session? > How many? > Was the documentation clear what you were supposed to do? > Did you feel like there was alot of interaction on the IRC channel? > Did you take any questions from IRC? > If so, how many? > Did you volunteer to transcribe a session? > Did the session leader openly ask for a transcriber? > How many people in your session volunteered to transcribe. > Is English your native tongue? > >> >> -Yaakov > > -- Sent from my mobile device From simon at zikula.org Sat Dec 5 16:22:01 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:22:01 -0000 Subject: Post FUDCon Live Survey In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912050455q4e566538jccc8dc65aecefc20@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912050455q4e566538jccc8dc65aecefc20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01ca75c7$14ea1fb0$3ebe5f10$@org> It's possible we could get a survey sorted in the Zikula hackfest and host it from Fedora Insight - bit of uncertainty about whether we'll finish everything by the end of the weekend though! > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora- > marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Bergeron > Sent: 05 December 2009 12:56 > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Subject: Re: Post FUDCon Live Survey > > I'll add these, or mix them in, with the existing question set from > previous fudcons, and post the list later today. > > -robyn > > On 12/5/09, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > > 2009/12/5 : > >> Hey List, > >> > >> I've been asked to put up a list of questions for Post FUDCon Survey > >> goodness. ?I basically want to know the following, so feel free to > >> interpret > >> the questions if you know better than i: > >> > >> I want to know, in no particular order: > >> > >> How useful FL was to the surveyee > >> How many channels did they sit in at once > >> Did they use it from home or from FUDCon > >> Did they follow other feeds like video and audio > >> Did they follow other feeds like social media > >> Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of > FL > >> Did they participate in the channels or did they just sit and watch. > >> How many sessions did they follow > >> What timezone they are in > >> Did they find IRC easy to use, and easy to navigate > >> How long have they been using Fedora > >> How long have they been using Linux > >> How long have they been a member of the Fedora Project (if at all) > >> If they didn't follow the channels, how valuable are the logs after > the > >> fact > >> > >> Most of these translate to single questions, i'm going to refine > this > >> list > >> further, it might be useful to put this up on the wiki. > > > > > > Let me add a few more: > > > > Did you transcribe a session? > > How many? > > Was the documentation clear what you were supposed to do? > > Did you feel like there was alot of interaction on the IRC channel? > > Did you take any questions from IRC? > > If so, how many? > > Did you volunteer to transcribe a session? > > Did the session leader openly ask for a transcriber? > > How many people in your session volunteered to transcribe. > > Is English your native tongue? > > > >> > >> -Yaakov > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: > 12/05/09 08:13:00 From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 16:27:04 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:04 -0700 Subject: Post FUDCon Live Survey In-Reply-To: <005e01ca75c7$14ea1fb0$3ebe5f10$@org> References: <5d4d90c90912050455q4e566538jccc8dc65aecefc20@mail.gmail.com> <005e01ca75c7$14ea1fb0$3ebe5f10$@org> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912050827i15c8e543hdea537f0a22c578a@mail.gmail.com> I just need an infrastructure spot to get it up and running, which hopefully I can sort out in a few hours - I have to go stock up for winter (not kidding, we are supposed to get 12-18 inches of snow monday). On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Simon Birtwistle wrote: > It's possible we could get a survey sorted in the Zikula hackfest and host > it from Fedora Insight - bit of uncertainty about whether we'll finish > everything by the end of the weekend though! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora- >> marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Bergeron >> Sent: 05 December 2009 12:56 >> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >> Subject: Re: Post FUDCon Live Survey >> >> I'll add these, or mix them in, with the existing question set from >> previous fudcons, and post the list later today. >> >> -robyn >> >> On 12/5/09, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: >> > 2009/12/5 ?: >> >> Hey List, >> >> >> >> I've been asked to put up a list of questions for Post FUDCon Survey >> >> goodness. ?I basically want to know the following, so feel free to >> >> interpret >> >> the questions if you know better than i: >> >> >> >> I want to know, in no particular order: >> >> >> >> How useful FL was to the surveyee >> >> How many channels did they sit in at once >> >> Did they use it from home or from FUDCon >> >> Did they follow other feeds like video and audio >> >> Did they follow other feeds like social media >> >> Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of >> FL >> >> Did they participate in the channels or did they just sit and watch. >> >> How many sessions did they follow >> >> What timezone they are in >> >> Did they find IRC easy to use, and easy to navigate >> >> How long have they been using Fedora >> >> How long have they been using Linux >> >> How long have they been a member of the Fedora Project (if at all) >> >> If they didn't follow the channels, how valuable are the logs after >> the >> >> fact >> >> >> >> Most of these translate to single questions, i'm going to refine >> this >> >> list >> >> further, it might be useful to put this up on the wiki. >> > >> > >> > Let me add a few more: >> > >> > Did you transcribe a session? >> > How many? >> > Was the documentation clear what you were supposed to do? >> > Did you feel like there was alot of interaction on the IRC channel? >> > Did you take any questions from IRC? >> > If so, how many? >> > Did you volunteer to transcribe a session? >> > Did the session leader openly ask for a transcriber? >> > How many people in your session volunteered to transcribe. >> > Is English your native tongue? >> > >> >> >> >> -Yaakov >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: >> 12/05/09 08:13:00 > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Sat Dec 5 20:14:37 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:14:37 -0500 Subject: Simon's FUDCon zikula session notes Message-ID: <4B1ABF2D.6090400@redhat.com> Simon Birtwistle's talk, just completed, on zikula - a CMS that's going to be used by Docs and Marketing and News (in various ways for each). It was awesomeness, and the crowd was fun. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-room-2/2009-12-05/fudcon-room-2.2009-12-05-19.04.html Max and I had this transcribing-tag-team-thing going on here, so the full logs are pretty complete (WOO! LOGS!) - we ended with a game plan for the hackfest on Sunday and Monday, which I'll post shortly. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Dec 5 20:35:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:35:24 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest gameplan Message-ID: <4B1AC40C.6090405@redhat.com> Our gameplan for the next two days: everything is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest. Please ask questions, point out holes, etc. - we literally *just* came up with this. This is also where you can sign up to help. (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Who.27s_coming) I think that Sparks and ke4qqq were planning on spending some time with us, which would be *awesome* - and that mmcgrath will be dropping by at the end of both days to check in - but I'm not sure what people's plans actually are, so I just took a guess for me/Simon/Pascal to start. (Simon, Pascal, feel free to edit this to something more correct and/or preferential....) I defaulted to #fedora-mktg as our IRC channel for the day, because I know we're going to have remote participants, but would be glad to move it to a more neutral place if there's a better location for this (if #fedora-logistics were populated, I'd do it there). Comments? Thoughts? Halp? Yay! We'll keep you updated. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Dec 5 20:42:09 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:42:09 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest gameplan Message-ID: <4B1AC5A1.5000905@redhat.com> > Our gameplan for the next two days: everything is at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest. And I've blogged it here: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/05/fudcon-zikula-hackfest-the-gameplan/ Hope to see folks online or in person tomorrow! More hackfestin' details coming when we have them. --Mel From david at gnsa.us Sat Dec 5 23:22:29 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:22:29 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest gameplan In-Reply-To: <4B1AC40C.6090405@redhat.com> References: <4B1AC40C.6090405@redhat.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Comments? Thoughts? Halp? Yay! We'll keep you updated. > So I see at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Production_.28Simon.29 that we are tackling the the remaining packaging stuff. Can we get a list together, broken down by implementation (Insight, FWN, Docs) and order of importance the packages that are either in progress or need tackling. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) iEYEARECAAYFAksa64cACgkQkZOYj+cNI1dbggCgm3StXjC5udITOXNiwvzQ+C5Z Yi4An22MVj9GSijwHy9GKsItUMveCV9K =Fbej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pcalarco at nd.edu Sat Dec 5 23:29:48 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:29:48 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest gameplan In-Reply-To: References: <4B1AC40C.6090405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B1AECEC.2030501@nd.edu> On 05/12/09 06:22 PM, David Nalley wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Comments? Thoughts? Halp? Yay! We'll keep you updated. >> > > So I see at: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Production_.28Simon.29 > > that we are tackling the the remaining packaging stuff. > Can we get a list together, broken down by implementation (Insight, > FWN, Docs) and order of importance the packages that are either in > progress or need tackling. Hi David -- The main package for FWN is xinhua, which I've added to the page. This is packaged, and just needs integrating into Zikula, AFAIK. Thanks! - pascal From mel at redhat.com Sun Dec 6 15:36:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:36:24 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest details Message-ID: <4B1BCF78.7040400@redhat.com> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest If you're joining us online, look in #fedora-mktg for pcalarco (Pascal), itbegins (Simon) or mchua (myself) and we'll get you started. If you're joining us in person, head to room 4 in the SEQ building - we'll be there all day. Today's goal: get Fedora Insight up on staging and migrate FWN's workflow to it. Hoo-yah! --Mel From simon at zikula.org Sun Dec 6 16:11:10 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:11:10 -0000 Subject: Zikula hackfest details In-Reply-To: <4B1BCF78.7040400@redhat.com> References: <4B1BCF78.7040400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <003701ca768e$bb576160$32062420$@org> We're now hanging out in #fudcon-room-4 on freenode, and logging the whole day's conversation with zodbot. Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-docs-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mel Chua > Sent: 06 December 2009 15:36 > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base; > For participants of the Documentation Project; fedora-news- > list at redhat.com > Subject: Zikula hackfest details > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest > > If you're joining us online, look in #fedora-mktg for pcalarco > (Pascal), > itbegins (Simon) or mchua (myself) and we'll get you started. > > If you're joining us in person, head to room 4 in the SEQ building - > we'll be there all day. > > Today's goal: get Fedora Insight up on staging and migrate FWN's > workflow to it. Hoo-yah! > > --Mel > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: > 12/05/09 08:13:00 From pcalarco at nd.edu Sun Dec 6 16:13:36 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:13:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! Message-ID: <4B1BD830.2010905@nd.edu> From now through 6:00 pm (01:00 UTC) today, we'll be working on Fedora Insight on Zikula here at FUDCon Toronto, and you can join us online at irc.freenode.net in #fudcon-room-4 There are three basic categories of work, including: 1) Infrastructure (lead: Simon Birwhistle) * packaging remaining items (xinhua, etc.) * installing PageMaster add-on for Zikula for workflow engine * resolving other issues 2) Workflow (lead: Pascal Calarco) * documenting how roles are handled in Zikula and in FAS * documenting revised workflow for Fedora Weekly News in Zikula 3) Content (lead: Mel Chua) * what content categories will be targeted for inclusion in Fedora Insight * plan for translation * handling multimedia hosting Come join us online! We'll also be working on this tomorrow, Monday, December 7th through the same time. - pascal From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Dec 6 17:54:24 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! In-Reply-To: <7797108.521260121659717.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <13878363.541260122060765.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> ----- "Pascal Calarco" wrote: > From now through 6:00 pm (01:00 UTC) today, we'll be working on Fedora > > Insight on Zikula here at FUDCon Toronto, and you can join us online > at > > irc.freenode.net in #fudcon-room-4 > > There are three basic categories of work, including: > > 1) Infrastructure (lead: Simon Birwhistle) > * packaging remaining items (xinhua, etc.) > * installing PageMaster add-on for Zikula for workflow engine > * resolving other issues > > 2) Workflow (lead: Pascal Calarco) > * documenting how roles are handled in Zikula and in FAS > * documenting revised workflow for Fedora Weekly News in Zikula > > 3) Content (lead: Mel Chua) > * what content categories will be targeted for inclusion in Fedora > Insight > * plan for translation > * handling multimedia hosting > > Come join us online! We'll also be working on this tomorrow, Monday, > > December 7th through the same time. > > - pascal Hello, I've been trying to sort of trudge through and implement some of the workflow objects, and I've run into a couple of errors within the Pagemaster module. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dale/Zikula_FWN_Testing#Zikula_Modules After creating a Pub Type while proceeding to create a Pub Field, one is presented with several PHP warnings along this line: Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument passed by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file. However, future versions may not support this any longer. in /usr/share/zikula/modules/pagemaster/classes/FormPlugins/pmformlistinput.class.php on line 71 Those are not a hindrance. However, after creating a Pub Type called "Beats" with a Fieldtype of "List" there is a blocker. You can see the result here or in the screenshot on my scratch page above. https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&type=admin&func=editpubfields&id=1&tid=1#newpubfield The form snippet for editing the list is drawn off to the left of the screen. This may be due to the following error which is triggered when clicking the "Pubtype form" link in the toolbar. Javascript livepipe package was not found or it's incomplete. It's required for the plugin configuration modalbox. Please download it and copy into your site. The download link leads to here, but there is no "livepipe". Only Pagemaster releases from 1 year ago. http://code.zikula.org/pagemaster/downloads -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From simon at zikula.org Sun Dec 6 18:01:04 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:01:04 -0000 Subject: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! In-Reply-To: <13878363.541260122060765.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> References: <7797108.521260121659717.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <13878363.541260122060765.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <005b01ca769e$154e8c20$3feba460$@org> This is a lib that needs packaging and deploying to /javscript - I don't know why it wasn't included in the pagemaster module... More details in a sec. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora- > marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dale Bewley > Sent: 06 December 2009 17:54 > To: fedora-news-list at redhat.com > Cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Subject: Re: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! > > > ----- "Pascal Calarco" wrote: > > > From now through 6:00 pm (01:00 UTC) today, we'll be working on > Fedora > > > > Insight on Zikula here at FUDCon Toronto, and you can join us online > > at > > > > irc.freenode.net in #fudcon-room-4 > > > > There are three basic categories of work, including: > > > > 1) Infrastructure (lead: Simon Birwhistle) > > * packaging remaining items (xinhua, etc.) > > * installing PageMaster add-on for Zikula for workflow engine > > * resolving other issues > > > > 2) Workflow (lead: Pascal Calarco) > > * documenting how roles are handled in Zikula and in FAS > > * documenting revised workflow for Fedora Weekly News in Zikula > > > > 3) Content (lead: Mel Chua) > > * what content categories will be targeted for inclusion in Fedora > > Insight > > * plan for translation > > * handling multimedia hosting > > > > Come join us online! We'll also be working on this tomorrow, Monday, > > > > December 7th through the same time. > > > > - pascal > > Hello, > I've been trying to sort of trudge through and implement some of the > workflow objects, and I've run into a couple of errors within the > Pagemaster module. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dale/Zikula_FWN_Testing#Zikula_Modu > les > > After creating a Pub Type while proceeding to create a Pub Field, one > is presented with several PHP warnings along this line: > > Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument > passed by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the > declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable > call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference > to true in your INI file. However, future versions may not support this > any longer. in > /usr/share/zikula/modules/pagemaster/classes/FormPlugins/pmformlistinpu > t.class.php on line 71 > > Those are not a hindrance. However, after creating a Pub Type called > "Beats" with a Fieldtype of "List" there is a blocker. You can see the > result here or in the screenshot on my scratch page above. > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaste > r&type=admin&func=editpubfields&id=1&tid=1#newpubfield > > The form snippet for editing the list is drawn off to the left of the > screen. > > This may be due to the following error which is triggered when clicking > the "Pubtype form" link in the toolbar. > > Javascript livepipe package was not found or it's incomplete. It's > required for the plugin configuration modalbox. Please download it and > copy into your site. > > The download link leads to here, but there is no "livepipe". Only > Pagemaster releases from 1 year ago. > > http://code.zikula.org/pagemaster/downloads > > -- > Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis > GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: > 12/06/09 07:30:00 From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Dec 6 18:20:15 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! In-Reply-To: <005b01ca769e$154e8c20$3feba460$@org> Message-ID: <10823816.561260123612080.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> ----- "Simon Birtwistle" wrote: > This is a lib that needs packaging and deploying to /javscript - I > don't know why it wasn't included in the pagemaster module... More > details in a sec. There is a bug on the issue http://code.zikula.org/pagemaster/ticket/127 From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Dec 6 19:39:55 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:39:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: virt beat done Message-ID: <3097678.581260128392248.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> The virt beat is probably about as done as I may find time to make it today. However, I added a snippet on an upcoming Red Hat event, 'red hat virtual experience'. So Hendrixee... Is this "advertisement" acceptable to everyone? It seems relevant to the readers. If so, and if anyone would like to spruce up the copy I summarized from the event page, feel free. Or send suggestions. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Virtualization From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Dec 6 19:50:45 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:50:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fedora Insight HackFest @ FUDCon Toronto today! In-Reply-To: <10823816.561260123612080.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <31235431.601260129044792.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Simon created a workaround for the livepipe error I was experiencing: (11:18:39 AM) itbegins: so to fix it I've symlinked javascript/livepipe to the pagemaster version (11:18:58 AM) itbegins: in SVN, the pagemaster team have fixed this problem so it pulls from /javscript if available, and if not uses the bundled version Simon also explained that the values for a publication field; fieldtype:list, should be defined in the categories module. Grokking the linkage between the Beat pubfield and a list of values in the category module is next I think. However, I'm going to have to signoff and get started on some weekend errands for now. From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 05:32:02 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:32:02 +0100 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? Message-ID: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Can someone who understands this language used in this page http://www.sito.ir/product_info.php?products_id=1190 tell me if FEL costs USD 750 ? http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20750%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 says USD 750 Chitlesh From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 05:49:02 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:49:02 +0800 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? In-Reply-To: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C974E.1080703@gmail.com> On 12/07/2009 01:32 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Can someone who understands this language used in this page > http://www.sito.ir/product_info.php?products_id=1190 > tell me if FEL costs USD 750 ? > > http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20750%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 > says USD 750 > > Chitlesh > > Wow, USD$750 is crazy unless otherwise is mentioning about providing his/her support. Will be interesting to know the truth - hope someone can translate. -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 05:52:16 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:22:16 +0530 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? In-Reply-To: <4B1C974E.1080703@gmail.com> References: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> <4B1C974E.1080703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chitlesh, > Can someone who understands this language used in this page > http://www.sito.ir/product_info.php?products_id=1190 > tell me if FEL costs USD 750 ? Get in touch with Mostafa Daneshvar . or you can also send it over to persian L10N Team at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-fa Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From nayyares at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 06:38:24 2009 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:38:24 +0200 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? In-Reply-To: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30912062238y37de8cf2j2ae10cccf6748f1f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chitlesh, The site is Iranian & some part of that page is written in Persian/Farsi. Yeah they are selling it for 750 TOMAN (Iranian Rial) Thanks On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > Can someone who understands this language used in this page > http://www.sito.ir/product_info.php?products_id=1190 > tell me if FEL costs USD 750 ? > > > http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20750%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 > says USD 750 > > Chitlesh > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com Cause: thalassemia.com.pk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fusion94 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 06:44:57 2009 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:44:57 -0800 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30912062238y37de8cf2j2ae10cccf6748f1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30912062238y37de8cf2j2ae10cccf6748f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78f7d5500912062244h1a80eadfqe575bf49d4a74d3d@mail.gmail.com> which should be about $0.0758 USD -t Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net 1 (415) 373-6814 1 (415) 694-3732 Skype: fusion94 On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 22:38, Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi Chitlesh, > > The site is Iranian & some part of that page is written in Persian/Farsi. > > Yeah they are selling it for 750 TOMAN (Iranian Rial) > > Thanks > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH > wrote: >> >> Hello there, >> >> Can someone who understands this language used in this page >> http://www.sito.ir/product_info.php?products_id=1190 >> tell me if FEL costs USD 750 ? >> >> >> http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20750%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 >> says USD 750 >> >> Chitlesh >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Nayyar Ahmad > RHCE (ID:804006858622745) > Skype: nayyares > Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com > Cause: thalassemia.com.pk > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 07:41:20 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:41:20 +0100 Subject: Request to verify if FEL costs USD 750 ???? Scam ? In-Reply-To: <78f7d5500912062244h1a80eadfqe575bf49d4a74d3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30912062132h46120a6i63de67d6bc5dc413@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30912062238y37de8cf2j2ae10cccf6748f1f@mail.gmail.com> <78f7d5500912062244h1a80eadfqe575bf49d4a74d3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30912062341m73431bb2p8317ee6767d3a828@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Tony Guntharp <> wrote: > which should be about $0.0758 USD Aah, that's ok. :) thanks Chitlesh From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 17:33:55 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:33:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Post FUDCon Live Survey In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912050455q4e566538jccc8dc65aecefc20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/12/5 Robyn Bergeron : > I'll add these, or mix them in, with the existing question set from > previous fudcons, and post the list later today. Mel and i just sat down and refined the list into five goals we are looking to find out. I'm looking for two critical pieces of information here. The first is a general statistic of the most common answers to each of these five questions. The second is a correlation of general information about the surveyee, (How long with Fedora, etc..) and the other answers here to see if there are futher trends we can look at. There are also a couple of questions that should be on the general 'info about this surveyee' question list. Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of FL (General Survey question) Is English your native tongue? (GSQ) Targets: how did you particicipate in fudcon live? (in person transcribing, archive reading afterwards, remote, in person reading live) Is IRC the correct medium? Do we want Google Wave or another communication technology, in a side band? as a replacement? Gobby? Whiteboarding? How aggresive should the marketing for Fudcon Live specifically be? What form do we want the final logs to end up in? did fudcon live make it possible for you to participate more or less than otherwise, and how would like to be able to participate and have fudcon live match that. Was the documentation good? (Language is a relevant metric here too) -Yaakov > > -robyn > > On 12/5/09, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: >> 2009/12/5 ?: >>> Hey List, >>> >>> I've been asked to put up a list of questions for Post FUDCon Survey >>> goodness. ?I basically want to know the following, so feel free to >>> interpret >>> the questions if you know better than i: >>> >>> I want to know, in no particular order: >>> >>> How useful FL was to the surveyee >>> How many channels did they sit in at once >>> Did they use it from home or from FUDCon >>> Did they follow other feeds like video and audio >>> Did they follow other feeds like social media >>> Did they blog about their experience or create their own items on of FL >>> Did they participate in the channels or did they just sit and watch. >>> How many sessions did they follow >>> What timezone they are in >>> Did they find IRC easy to use, and easy to navigate >>> How long have they been using Fedora >>> How long have they been using Linux >>> How long have they been a member of the Fedora Project (if at all) >>> If they didn't follow the channels, how valuable are the logs after the >>> fact >>> >>> Most of these translate to single questions, i'm going to refine this >>> list >>> further, it might be useful to put this up on the wiki. >> >> >> Let me add a few more: >> >> Did you transcribe a session? >> How many? >> Was the documentation clear what you were supposed to do? >> Did you feel like there was alot of interaction on the IRC channel? >> Did you take any questions from IRC? >> If so, how many? >> Did you volunteer to transcribe a session? >> Did the session leader openly ask for a transcriber? >> How many people in your session volunteered to transcribe. >> Is English your native tongue? >> >>> >>> -Yaakov >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's take all the ideas from: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm (and these too) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump * https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query ...and figure out our deliverables and schedule, and where our individual plans for the release cycle intersect, and how we're going to coordinate our work. I sat down with John Poelstra yesterday and we came up with what we think - and hope - is a drastically simplified way of thinking about the schedule that we'd like to run by folks. I'm on a bus from Toronto to Boston and will get online and update wiki pages and the like as soon as we cross the border and my mobile broadband doesn't cost ridiculous amounts per MB, but wanted to give y'all a heads-up now. See you online this afternoon! --Mel From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Dec 8 18:30:34 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:30:34 -0500 Subject: [In the news] The State of Fedora: We're Not Just for Fanboys Message-ID: <4B1E9B4A.3000009@redhat.com> LinuxPlanet 12.07.09 The State of Fedora: We're Not Just for Fanboys Cheap, Easy, and Sustainable By Sean Michael Kerner With over 20 million installations, Fedora is among the most world's popular Linux distributions. While that kind of success has been due to a rapid base of supporters, the distro originally launched by Red Hat as a community Linux project is having to bridge the divide between targeting a mass audience and keeping hardcore enthusiasts in the fold. That's no easy task, but for Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields, it's key to the distro's continued growth. "I'm not interested in a shotgun approach where we reach every single person on the planet, though that wouldn't be a bad thing," Frields said during a session at the FUDCon Fedora conference here this weekend. "At Fedora, we're not interested in 'fanboy'-ism. What we're interested in is people that want to contribute." Full article: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6922/1/ From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 18:48:06 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:48:06 -0700 Subject: Marketing goals, round 2! Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912081048w6d7ce701p59ccc64ee4721518@mail.gmail.com> F13 Marketing Goals... and beeeeeeeeeyond! Greetings marketing friends, As some of you have probably read, I've been doing some thinking on not just our specific, measurable goals for F13, but also the marketing team's wider objectives and mission. In other words, we may have this list of fabulous tasks we've brainstormed for F13, but what are our end goals? I've come up with an idea I'd like to propose and/or get feedback on. It may not be the perfect solution, but I think that it might get us on the path to being more mission-oriented in future releases, if we (a) decide to go down this route, and (b) decide at the end of F13 that it was a worthwhile effort. The concept is to organize the tasks we work on around the four foundations of Fedora - Freedom, Friends, Features, First (please see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations if you want the big explanation on all of these things - I know they are each intentionally easy-to-grasp concepts, but the bigger picture behind each one is worth reading). For our team, what this would mean is that each of our tasks should be focused on furthering one (or more) of each of these foundations. Not to pin us in, necessarily - ideas of all types will fall into one of these categories, generally - but to make sure we aren't forgetting to focus on anything. I've written a bit down about each foundation - this is of course just me brainstorming a bit, I would love to hear more ideas on solidifying these if other team members think it is a good idea. (And by solidifying, I mean into slightly more concise statements :D ) Under each one, I've listed some of the tasks that might fall into that category. (The task lists aren't comprehensive - I've just typed things in here, so don't get mad if your idea isn't here!) Freedom: Use FOSS tools as much as possible (or practical) in production of Marketing materials, and do our best to support solutions that may work in the future. (Side note: See mizmo's post to the marketing list on making the fedora video - it wasn't entirely practical, but bugs were filed, discussions are ongoing, this is GOOD! And awesome video btw, I know you've heard it already but I'm just sayin' it again :D.) Give marketing contributors the freedom and knowledge to work on projects as they choose. Practice openness, and give process more transparency. - HOWTO's on how to make all Marketing deliverables - translations and i18n workflow for marketing stuff - Cross-training of team members for things like Zikula Friends: Continue to develop and extend not only the Fedora marketing community, but also the Fedora community in general. - Grow the number of marketing contributors - Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary desktop OS - Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and each contribute at least one thing. - FUDCon - Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide - Marketing FAD - RH Summit - Podcasts Features: Enhance Fedora's marketing presence with new features, and ensure that Fedora distro features are highlighted in a timely way. - Spin Chooser - Fedora Insight - Develop a sustainable cycle / schedule of marketing materials. Developer Interviews, In-depth features, etc. - Improve cross-team communication between marketing, docs, and QA for improvements in material First: Do New Things, and continually come up with New Ideas; review their effectiveness when they are complete, and don't be afraid to say, "That didn't work." - Marketing Kits - Fedora Print Magazine - Time-Based Schedule - Fedora Membership / Fellowship - Keeping track of new ideas Like I said - this is a brainstorm, of sorts, so I'd love to hear feedback. Cheers! -Robyn From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 8 21:02:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:02:22 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-08 Message-ID: <4B1EBEDE.6000006@redhat.com> F13 planning - we know our release deliverables for the F13 cycle and what we're going to do between now and Alpha to get up the tools we need to make those things more easily. Sweet! Signing off from the FUDBus, --Mel 20:57:14 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.html 20:57:15 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.txt 20:57:17 < PhrkOnLsh> .00000025 20:57:18 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.log.html From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Dec 8 22:24:31 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:24:31 +0100 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm Message-ID: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> Hy there, short after todays marketing meeting some came with an the idea that are crawling around some heads for quite a while: We want to have a Marketing FAD! Theme: Fedora Marketing - What is, what will be * build up our "new" marketing plan for F13 / F14 and work on that * work and grow our Marketing Team * have fun Here are some questions we start to work on: * Where do we want to have it (location)? * when (date) ? * who (attendees) ? * work schedule (plan) ? A first throw-in I would say "how about hawaii, first march week 2010, some hotel around". For all other things around we have also a wikipage [1] for filling with suggestions and facts. Please have a look, add your name to the list if you are interressted or already say "YES, I want to be there" because we must know your preferences to plan further on. [1] = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Dec 9 00:55:52 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:55:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight: Remaining items Message-ID: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> Hi all -- Simon made excellent progress on Monday resolving most of the errors on publictest6 for Fedora Insight. Xinhua works nicely and I am able to submit, decision, and publish articles with the workflow we designed for FWN. However, we are not ready to launch yet. We still need to cluster individual FWN beats into a single issue. When I publish items, they aren't showing up on the interface yet, as the design needs to get synched with the templates that we worked on at FUDCon. There are a number of design tickets open that Mo was working on. Diana made good progress on some of these, and we should get the detail for these tickets updated, but there are a number of tickets that we need Mo or someone else on the design team to document and work on. We also did not quite get to the staging server, AFAIK. Perhaps we could meet on IRC sometime later this week to discuss further? Thanks! - pascal From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 03:16:21 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:16:21 -0700 Subject: Marketing Trac instance - Add F13 milestones to dropdown box? Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912081916v325ebb6bn300c861ae82372bc@mail.gmail.com> I'm currently going through the marketing wiki stuff looking at what we need to refresh for the F13 cycle (see today's marketing meeting notes for more info, Came across this page - https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/3 We should probably - in the spirit of "getting infrastructure ready" - add F13 milestones for new tickets created, and maybe clean up / move over to F13 / consider / reconsider outstanding tickets we have. I don't have access to add F13 milestones (as far as I can see without, you know, BREAKING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE) - but I would like to propose that we (a) get that stuff added (Mel?) and (b) that we take on sorting through this list at some point in a marketing meeting in the sort-of near future. (Maybe after the new year?) -Robyn From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 04:41:03 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:41:03 -0700 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> I'll add this to the wiki, but just wanted to throw this out there - I know there is probably (a) a budget of sorts, and (b) budgets for a lot of us who wouldn't have "corporate sponsorship" from our employer (ie - students and such) - so while Hawaii does sound absolutely fabulous, a ticket from Phoenix to Hawaii during that time (which is spring break here in the US for a lot of folks, meaning travel prices are higher) is in the $650 range, and from Boston to Hawaii is even uglier (think more like 800). So as much as it pains me to say it.... since it does sound reeeeeeeallly nice... we should probably consider something, you know, slightly less exotic in the spirit of allowing more people to come participate and/or saving that budget for allowing people to come / participate in fudcons of the future. :) That said: Las Vegas will have somewhat pleasant weather in March (better than, say, Boston, I'd venture); an abundance of decently priced hotel rooms, food options galore, conference space galore, a lovely international airport with cheap transportation, and plenty to do/see (even for our underage friends!). Otherwise, I'd suggest a coastal city with a Big Airport for ease of travel for any international friends we may have; Boston, Atlanta, Seattle, Vancouver come to mind. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM, wonderer wrote: > Hy there, > > short after todays marketing meeting some came with an the idea that are > crawling around some heads for quite a while: We want to have a > Marketing FAD! > > Theme: Fedora Marketing - What is, what will be > * build up our "new" marketing plan for F13 / F14 and work on that > * work and grow our Marketing Team > * have fun > > Here are some questions we start to work on: > * Where do we want to have it (location)? > * when (date) ? > * who (attendees) ? > * work schedule (plan) ? > A first throw-in I would say "how about hawaii, first march week 2010, > some hotel around". > For all other things around we have also a wikipage [1] for filling with > suggestions and facts. > Please have a look, add your name to the list if you are interressted or > already say "YES, I want to be there" because > we must know your preferences to plan further on. > > > [1] = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 > > > mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards > Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org > > PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 ?3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From leonardo.vaz at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 17:29:46 2009 From: leonardo.vaz at gmail.com (Leonardo Menezes Vaz) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:29:46 -0200 Subject: Cafe con Linux Message-ID: <1ff193860912090929y254d29fax563433f02c135785@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Great ideas like the link bellow can make the expression "Act locally, think globally" have a real meaning... ;) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cafe_con_Linux Congratulations Fabio and welcome aboard! Leo -- Leonardo Menezes Vaz ++55 51 91568225 Sent from Meridiani Planum, Mars. From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 21:22:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:22:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight: Remaining items In-Reply-To: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> References: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> Message-ID: <20091209212213.GO9741@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:55:52PM -0500, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Hi all -- > > Simon made excellent progress on Monday resolving most of the errors > on publictest6 for Fedora Insight. Xinhua works nicely and I am > able to submit, decision, and publish articles with the workflow we > designed for FWN. > > However, we are not ready to launch yet. We still need to cluster > individual FWN beats into a single issue. When I publish items, > they aren't showing up on the interface yet, as the design needs to > get synched with the templates that we worked on at FUDCon. There > are a number of design tickets open that Mo was working on. Diana > made good progress on some of these, and we should get the detail > for these tickets updated, but there are a number of tickets that we > need Mo or someone else on the design team to document and work on. > > We also did not quite get to the staging server, AFAIK. > > Perhaps we could meet on IRC sometime later this week to discuss > further? Thanks! I'd suggest starting with some ticket listing as a report in the right Tracs (probably marketing team and design). I always recommend putting a keyword (like Insight) into affected tickets and using that as a search so that we can always look at the queue. Any items that don't have a ticket yet really should have one. Pascal, can you confirm that any the issues above have tickets? As for a meeting time... I know that Mel Chua is way busy on Thursday afternoon and we've moved the FUDCon planning meeting to Friday at 4:00pm. Maybe a weekend round up would be better. I always try to suggest a time when posting about a meeting, so that the conversation can move forward easier. How does Sunday at 4:00pm Eastern (2100 UTC) look for people? Paul From pcalarco at nd.edu Thu Dec 10 14:35:01 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:35:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight: Remaining items In-Reply-To: <20091209212213.GO9741@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> <20091209212213.GO9741@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B210715.5080203@nd.edu> On 09/12/09 04:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:55:52PM -0500, Pascal Calarco wrote: >> Hi all -- >> >> Simon made excellent progress on Monday resolving most of the errors >> on publictest6 for Fedora Insight. Xinhua works nicely and I am >> able to submit, decision, and publish articles with the workflow we >> designed for FWN. >> >> However, we are not ready to launch yet. We still need to cluster >> individual FWN beats into a single issue. When I publish items, >> they aren't showing up on the interface yet, as the design needs to >> get synched with the templates that we worked on at FUDCon. There >> are a number of design tickets open that Mo was working on. Diana >> made good progress on some of these, and we should get the detail >> for these tickets updated, but there are a number of tickets that we >> need Mo or someone else on the design team to document and work on. >> >> We also did not quite get to the staging server, AFAIK. >> >> Perhaps we could meet on IRC sometime later this week to discuss >> further? Thanks! > > I'd suggest starting with some ticket listing as a report in the right > Tracs (probably marketing team and design). I always recommend > putting a keyword (like Insight) into affected tickets and using that > as a search so that we can always look at the queue. I've added both "Zikula" and "Fedora Insight" to the keywords for the new tickets I've opened. I cc'ed Simon and Mel on the new tickets I submitted as well. > Any items that don't have a ticket yet really should have one. > Pascal, can you confirm that any the issues above have tickets? Closed on ticket for FWN workflow and opened several new ones. All of these are listed on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight > As for a meeting time... I know that Mel Chua is way busy on Thursday > afternoon and we've moved the FUDCon planning meeting to Friday at > 4:00pm. Maybe a weekend round up would be better. I always try to > suggest a time when posting about a meeting, so that the conversation > can move forward easier. How does Sunday at 4:00pm Eastern (2100 UTC) > look for people? > > Paul Sunday 2009-12-13 works for me, although that would be perhaps a bit late for Simon. Thanks! - pascal From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Dec 11 05:05:04 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:05:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I know there is probably (a) a budget of sorts, and (b) budgets for a > lot of us who wouldn't have "corporate sponsorship" from our employer > (ie - students and such) - so while Hawaii does sound absolutely > fabulous, a ticket from Phoenix to Hawaii during that time (which is > spring break here in the US for a lot of folks, meaning travel prices > are higher) is in the $650 range, and from Boston to Hawaii is even > uglier (think more like 800). We'll certainly set aside budget for this event from our "Premier Fedora Events" bucket, and given the nature of the event, most of that budget will probably be spent on travel/lodging sponsorships. I'm pretty sure that Henrik was joking with his suggestion of Hawaii. :) I think the best way to start thinking about a location is to first build up an idea of who *wants* to attend, and then figure out a few different date options for the event, and see which one is best. Given what we've done at FUDCon, we know that it's possible for remotees to participate fairly extensively in the event as well, with gobby, streaming, or Fedora Talk. It looks like we're already starting to build up a roster on the wiki page. Right now it's only 4, though. When the wiki comes back up, I'll add myself. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 12:42:59 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:42:59 -0500 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091211124259.GG3120@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:05:04AM -0500, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > > >I know there is probably (a) a budget of sorts, and (b) budgets > >for a lot of us who wouldn't have "corporate sponsorship" from our > >employer (ie - students and such) - so while Hawaii does sound > >absolutely fabulous, a ticket from Phoenix to Hawaii during that > >time (which is spring break here in the US for a lot of folks, > >meaning travel prices are higher) is in the $650 range, and from > >Boston to Hawaii is even uglier (think more like 800). > > We'll certainly set aside budget for this event from our "Premier > Fedora Events" bucket, and given the nature of the event, most of > that budget will probably be spent on travel/lodging sponsorships. > > I'm pretty sure that Henrik was joking with his suggestion of > Hawaii. :) > > I think the best way to start thinking about a location is to first > build up an idea of who *wants* to attend, and then figure out a few > different date options for the event, and see which one is best. > > Given what we've done at FUDCon, we know that it's possible for > remotees to participate fairly extensively in the event as well, > with gobby, streaming, or Fedora Talk. > > It looks like we're already starting to build up a roster on the > wiki page. Right now it's only 4, though. When the wiki comes back > up, I'll add myself. I was thinking about adding myself but was worried about swelling the ranks and budget. If I came I'd keep my FPL hat on for purposes of doing "Great Karnac" impressions, but would mostly be there in the same "Get Stuff Done" mode as everyone else. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Fri Dec 11 14:53:06 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:53:06 -0500 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <20091211124259.GG3120@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> <20091211124259.GG3120@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B225CD2.1060704@redhat.com> >> It looks like we're already starting to build up a roster on the >> wiki page. Right now it's only 4, though. When the wiki comes back >> up, I'll add myself. > > I was thinking about adding myself but was worried about swelling the > ranks and budget. If I came I'd keep my FPL hat on for purposes of > doing "Great Karnac" impressions, but would mostly be there in the > same "Get Stuff Done" mode as everyone else. I'd say we should get a good a gauge of interest as we can, and if we have more people than we can take, that's a *great* problem, and we can split into subsprints, or have a virtual component for folks who can't make it there in person, etc. So yeah, sign up, sign up! --Mel From pcalarco at nd.edu Fri Dec 11 15:45:03 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:45:03 -0500 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <4B225CD2.1060704@redhat.com> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> <20091211124259.GG3120@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B225CD2.1060704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B2268FF.7000006@nd.edu> On 11/12/09 09:53 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> It looks like we're already starting to build up a roster on the >>> wiki page. Right now it's only 4, though. When the wiki comes back >>> up, I'll add myself. >> >> I was thinking about adding myself but was worried about swelling the >> ranks and budget. If I came I'd keep my FPL hat on for purposes of >> doing "Great Karnac" impressions, but would mostly be there in the >> same "Get Stuff Done" mode as everyone else. > > I'd say we should get a good a gauge of interest as we can, and if we > have more people than we can take, that's a *great* problem, and we can > split into subsprints, or have a virtual component for folks who can't > make it there in person, etc. > > So yeah, sign up, sign up! > > --Mel Mel, I'm going to sign up as well, as I think there will be further iterations of FWN and Fedora Insight that I think I can contribute to, but I will likely participate remotely as the spring is going to be particularly busy for me! - pascal From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Dec 11 17:43:52 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:43:52 -0800 Subject: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule Message-ID: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> Here's the latest draft based on my conversation with Mel on Monday. Let me know what I missed or what you'd like to {add,change,delete}. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html John From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 18:17:18 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:17:18 -0700 Subject: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule In-Reply-To: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> References: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912111017m24f8336an3cc0810f7fc409fb@mail.gmail.com> Did we previously have in-depth features on here? -robyn On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:43 AM, John Poelstra wrote: > Here's the latest draft based on my conversation with Mel on Monday. Let me > know what I missed or what you'd like to {add,change,delete}. > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html > > John > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From kschiltz at redhat.com Fri Dec 11 18:37:26 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:37:26 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora, open source trademarks and FUD Message-ID: <4B229166.4060602@redhat.com> InternetNews.com 12.11.09 Fedora, open source trademarks and FUD By Sean Michael Kerner Among the most interesting sessions that I sat in on at the FUDcon Fedora user/developer conference which wrapped up earlier this week was a discussion on trademarks. Trademarks and open source have an interesting and often confusing relationship. The whole point of open source is freedom of code and usage. Yet there is still a need (for some) to protect name and ultimately their brands as well. Full article: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/12/fedora-open-source-trademarks.html From kschiltz at redhat.com Fri Dec 11 18:41:31 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:41:31 -0500 Subject: [in the news] FUDCon press Message-ID: <4B22925B.5080607@redhat.com> A couple of additional posts from FUDCon Toronto earlier this week: GNOME 3: The Future of the Linux Desktop Revealed http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6924/1/ Fedora devs keeping OLPC sweet with Sugar http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/12/fedora-devs-keeping-olpc-sweet.html From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 12 03:08:31 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:38:31 +0530 Subject: [In the news] Fedora 12 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=93_A_Visually-Pleasing?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_Highly-Configurable_Linux_Distro_You_Might_Want_To_Try?= Message-ID: <4B23092F.1020804@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fedora-12-a-visually-pleasing-highly-configurable-linux-distro-you-might-want-to-try/ "I know in my heart of hearts that Fedora is a good distro, even if it?s not my cup of tea. It?s backed by Red Hat, it is the first to include the latest in hardware support and new software technologies, and its developers seem more concerned with quality than marketing. It has a large userbase and always receives good reviews. Appearances can be pimped, software can easily be added, and most hardware is auto-configured. The only way to be sure is to try it yourself. It just might be the distro for you." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 12 03:14:55 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:44:55 +0530 Subject: [In the news] Distro Review: Fedora 12 Message-ID: <4B230AAF.8000801@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/12/f12/ "Fedora advocates always point to the fact that it often has new innovations before other distros. The developers work really hard on this and I think they see themselves as trail blazers in a way. They push a lot of their work back upstream and that?s how it ends up in so many other distributions. That?s something they really should be commended for. A good example is the Pulse Audio mixer, which I first saw in Fedora 11. I then heard from many people what a great new development it was 6 months later when it turned up in Ubuntu. This is not a dig at the Ubuntu developers who also do great work, but to me Fedora feels closer to the upstream projects." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 13 15:08:19 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:38:19 +0530 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B250363.1030003@fedoraproject.org> On 12/09/2009 10:11 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I'll add this to the wiki, but just wanted to throw this out there - > > I know there is probably (a) a budget of sorts, and (b) budgets for a > lot of us who wouldn't have "corporate sponsorship" from our employer > (ie - students and such) I would be interested but is there a point in adding myself? I didn't see anyone outside US. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Sun Dec 13 15:12:10 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:12:10 -0500 Subject: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <4B250363.1030003@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B1ED21F.2010801@gmx.de> <5d4d90c90912082041ib7f84day9424595b060dfa1a@mail.gmail.com> <4B250363.1030003@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B25044A.2010507@redhat.com> > I would be interested but is there a point in adding myself? I didn't > see anyone outside US. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Attendees Henrik is in Germany, everyone else is spread as far apart across the USA as you can go (Poelstra and I are about 3,000 miles apart), and we will definitely be having a remote participation component for Pascal. Go for it! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sun Dec 13 15:17:01 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:17:01 -0500 Subject: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912111017m24f8336an3cc0810f7fc409fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912111017m24f8336an3cc0810f7fc409fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B25056D.6050803@redhat.com> On 12/11/2009 01:17 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Did we previously have in-depth features on here? Yep! And we still do, they're just called "Feature Profiles" (item 6) here. John was asking if we could add more timeline/detail to each of our 5 deliverables, so that means the next time I sit down to work on Marketing, I'll probably be cranking through the HOWTO drafts for each deliverable so we can figure out what other dates (if any) we need to set. --Mel >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html From mel at redhat.com Sun Dec 13 15:20:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:20:17 -0500 Subject: Post FUDCon Survey In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912041336gc2b3c72qc5dac8e8045a8235@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B169F5A.4060101@redhat.com> <7f692fec0912020942m1b68ec8u2d78e633749b0647@mail.gmail.com> <4B16A806.7030605@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912041241n6fcb4fe9xef59c2ddfe036472@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90912041336gc2b3c72qc5dac8e8045a8235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B250631.7000402@redhat.com> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>>>> about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously >>>>> schedule a "get limesurvey up" hackfest at some point? > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> If someone is interested in getting the infrastructure up internally >> while you guys are at FUDCon (btw, my status is I fail, I haven't even >> filed tickets yet... sorry!) I can get the questions up this weekend >> on it. >> >> Alternately, if that's not possible, I can do the temporary, JUST >> TEMPORARY, fix of doing it on limeservice. >> >> Yaakov, can you send the questions you were interested in asking to >> the list? I'll add them to the other list of questions (they will >> resemble what is in >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys/FUDConF9 ... with >> obvious changes about dates/places, etc), post the full final question >> list to the mailing list for general approval, and get them up. >> >> Let me know what you guys think. Sorry I'm not there :) >> >> -Robyn On 12/04/2009 04:36 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > And a heads up - Limeservice allows 25 free respondents, after that > there is a fee ($10 for 100, $22 for 250, etc.) I'm assuming we would > have more than 25, but if there is more than 100 (or I guess, 125) > then let me know, if that is the route we want to go down > -temporarily- :) > > -Robyn Wrapping up this email thread - I think Ryan was going to get us limesurvey up on infra soon, but I'm not sure if this is coming in time to use it for the FUDCon survey. Ryan, any thoughts? Should Robyn be getting up a temporary fix for just this one survey? --Mel PS: There's a high probability that someone will reply and tell me "oh, we figured this out in #fedora-mktg days ago, we're all set." ;) From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 16:13:29 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:13:29 -0700 Subject: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule In-Reply-To: <4B25056D.6050803@redhat.com> References: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912111017m24f8336an3cc0810f7fc409fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B25056D.6050803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912130813y4adf0494i9176a836d301e21b@mail.gmail.com> I was thinking I may, instead of doing the sprint on the marketing wiki during the next mktg meeting, just do it today - I've written up everything that needs to be moved / refreshed (for a how-to) but...there really isn't a whole heck of a lot. Anyway, that would free us up tuesday to do the more detailed scheduling and / or cleaning up trac / filing new tickets. Does this seem reasonable, or do you need more time to work on how-tos? We can probably also use the time to go through the gravy / "nice to have" list and guesstimate some some time / resources needed for those tasks, for when new folks are looking for something to work on. :) Robyn On 12/13/09, Mel Chua wrote: > On 12/11/2009 01:17 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> Did we previously have in-depth features on here? > > Yep! And we still do, they're just called "Feature Profiles" (item 6) here. > > John was asking if we could add more timeline/detail to each of our 5 > deliverables, so that means the next time I sit down to work on > Marketing, I'll probably be cranking through the HOWTO drafts for each > deliverable so we can figure out what other dates (if any) we need to set. > > --Mel > >>> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From david at gnsa.us Sun Dec 13 22:01:46 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:01:46 -0500 Subject: [in the news] [Ambassadors] Fedora proyect on panama news paper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alejandro Perez Date: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora proyect on panama news paper To: "fedora-ambassadors-list redhat.com" Hello everyone, Panamanian ambassadors on an interview on La Prensa, a new paper that cover all country, (that is easy because we are small country). http://mensual.prensa.com/mensual/contenido/2009/12/13/hoy/vivir/2025934.asp This interview open the door of this news paper to cover all events on Panama. - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) iEYEARECAAYFAkslZJ8ACgkQkZOYj+cNI1cTDQCeKNJcDRW/dpQ/B3rVbZPF5xor 77MAnjv5m7TQHhAPdGzBCKcrdD7l7N32 =uCos -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:00:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:00:42 -0500 Subject: Fedora Board, FESCo & FAmSCo Elections - Voting Information In-Reply-To: <9440004.1881259972380235.JavaMail.nigjones@njones.bne.redhat.com> References: <1846964.1861259971953089.JavaMail.nigjones@njones.bne.redhat.com> <9440004.1881259972380235.JavaMail.nigjones@njones.bne.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091214150042.GC3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:19:42PM -0500, Nigel Jones wrote: > **** Please Note **** > There will be a Fedora Infrastructure outage during the voting period that > may effect the voting application, as a result we have brought the voting > start date forward to the 5th December instead of the 8th December. > > As announced by Paul Frields in the event of extended outage, we will as > appropriate extend the voting period. > > We have also implemented a new feature in our voting software, so users > can verify their votes. Vote verification can be done at: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/verify > You will be prompted for your Fedora Account System username and password > and a list of elections where votes have been recorded will be listed. > > > For more information please refer to: > > Fedora Infrastructure Outage Information: > * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg00000.html > * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 > > Contingency plans in case of extended outage: > * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-December/msg00014.html > ********************* The series of outages have been very short overall, but upper estimates of various outages possibly affecting the voting application are close to 8 hours. Therefore, in keeping with our contingency plan, the voting period for the Board, FESCo, and FAmSCo elections will be extended by one additional day. These elections now end on 2009-12-16 UTC 2359. - -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLJlMarNvJN70RNxcRAr+nAJ4mrm1hOvNLoafJBJVCSLbJDRs6vACeOc2H VG/6jW/S+2E1rqDLX5Uganw= =DbVy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mel at redhat.com Mon Dec 14 17:20:40 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:20:40 -0500 Subject: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912130813y4adf0494i9176a836d301e21b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2284D8.6080907@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912111017m24f8336an3cc0810f7fc409fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B25056D.6050803@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912130813y4adf0494i9176a836d301e21b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2673E8.6040108@redhat.com> On 12/13/2009 11:13 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I was thinking I may, instead of doing the sprint on the marketing > wiki during the next mktg meeting, just do it today - I've written up > everything that needs to be moved / refreshed (for a how-to) > but...there really isn't a whole heck of a lot. > > Anyway, that would free us up tuesday to do the more detailed > scheduling and / or cleaning up trac / filing new tickets. Does this > seem reasonable, or do you need more time to work on how-tos? We can > probably also use the time to go through the gravy / "nice to have" > list and guesstimate some some time / resources needed for those > tasks, for when new folks are looking for something to work on. :) Nah, I should be working on HOWTOs outside of meeting bandwidth anyway - but maybe we can use Tuesday's sprint time to do the final push for deployment of the FUDCon survey, which really should have been deployed today (memories are probably starting to fade at this point, today marks the 1-week-since-FUDCon-ended date). I think it's one of those "wow, surveys take a long time to get out the first time we're putting out a survey" things, and the how-to-design-a-survey process and the "do we have tools to deploy it?" process will be vastly improved next time (say, for F13). --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Dec 14 19:10:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:10:11 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <10d81a8ed719fd9e6f48dfa19f147b90@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 14:15:44 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:15:44 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Distributions: No winter break in LInux land Message-ID: <4B279A10.9050507@redhat.com> The H 12.14.09 Distributions: No winter break in Linux land *With Fedora 12 and Ubuntu 9.10 now out the door, developers are already turning their attention to the spring releases. KDE3 has definitively gone the way of the dodo as far as openSUSE and Mandriva are concerned. Google is taking its first steps in the operating system market with Chrome OS. * By Alexandra Kleijn [clip] Following on from Fedora ? always something of a pioneer amongst Linux distributions ? Ubuntu is also now planning to merge open source Nvidia driver Nouveau into the kernel. [clip] Elections are also taking place at Fedora, for the Fedora Board , Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) and the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (FAmSCo). A name for Fedora 13 has now been chosen; the next release, scheduled for the 27th of April, 2010, will be called Goddard (after scientist Robert H. Goddard). Traditionally the new name always has a connection with the old, the link here being rocket science. Full post: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Distributions-No-winter-break-in-Linux-land-884572.html * * From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 16:04:10 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:04:10 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] During some of my review of the Fedora 12 "Constantine, " Fedora 12 Talking Points. :) In-Reply-To: <20091215134937.GF10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <21461b360912141450g2f24e2e7s58ca73ebd2ab2bac@mail.gmail.com> <20091215134937.GF10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B27B37A.6060806@redhat.com> On 12/15/2009 08:49 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:31:23AM -0500, David Ramsey wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Greetings. :) >> >> During some of my review of the Fedora 12 "Constantine" content as >> well as Fedora 13 "Goddard" content being developed, I find the >> following in the Fedora_12_Talking_Points. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points >> >> There is some entry for Fedora Electronic Lab, eh? I do not >> understand this for my presentation. > > I think this was added post-freeze of this content. > > I think the FEL is a great project and highly worthy of mention as an > application of our 'spin' concept. It's very appealing to an audience > that is involved in electronics engineering and other hardware > oriented development and hacking. > > However, it probably should be featured somewhere other than the > general release talking points. That's one of the reasons we set up > the new Spins sites: > > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ > > I'll revert that edit. > Thanks for the catch, David - and for the edit, Paul. Copying the Marketing list on this. The Talking Points that the Marketing team produces for our release deliverables are talking points for the Desktop (GNOME) Spin. However, the reason we're writing howtos/SOPs[0] for each of the Marketing deliverables our team produces is precisely so that individual projects (including Spins) can easily make their own versions of our deliverables. It's my hope that we'll see talking points, one-page release notes, etc. made by multiple Spin teams for F13, and we'll do everything we can to make it easy for those teams to do so, in the spirit of making tools available so that people can more readily scratch their own itches. Suggestions/feedback welcome - the first step is getting the howtos up and written, which will be done by Alpha; they'll be announced to the Marketing mailing list as well as posted on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_HOWTO as they are completed, if you'd like to add that page to your watchlist. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedures From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 17:11:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested Message-ID: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> Just so you folks know: I submitted a ticket to the Design Team to get us a little shiny on our wiki pages, which Robyn has just gone through and cleaned up. ;) https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110 --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 17:21:25 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:21:25 -0700 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> Mmmmm. Flair :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Just so you folks know: I submitted a ticket to the Design Team to get us a > little shiny on our wiki pages, which Robyn has just gone through and > cleaned up. ;) > > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110 > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 18:24:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:24:30 -0500 Subject: Marketing SOPs Message-ID: <4B27D45E.1010402@redhat.com> One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. You can see our current SOPs here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs#How_to_contribute. Some are more polished than others. Of course, I had to start by making a SOP on how to make SOPs. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP It makes use of the (also new) Marketing SOP template, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP. That template is meant to be a suggestion/aide to make life easier, so don't feel compelled to stick to it if you think a different format will work better for you. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedure - we used to call them "HOWTOs," but I switched the term to be more consistent with the terminology other teams use (specifically, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs). The HOWTO pages have been redirected/recategorized to reflect this. From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 18:33:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:33:32 -0500 Subject: Marketing SOPs In-Reply-To: <4B27D45E.1010402@redhat.com> References: <4B27D45E.1010402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B27D67C.4020504@redhat.com> On 12/15/2009 01:24 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to > create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. This was inspired by the Infrastructure Team SOPs, so I've also shared back with them what we've done: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-December/msg00058.html Different teams within Fedora have different practices and ways of doing things, and if we see an idea that we like - no matter where it's from - then we should try to adopt it, and share our results "back upstream." ;) Another good example of this is our Trac queue, which we didn't have until midway through the F12 release cycle - it was inspired by seeing how the Design Team kept track of work requests using their queue. --Mel From simon at zikula.org Tue Dec 15 20:43:59 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:43:59 -0000 Subject: Fedora Insight: Remaining items In-Reply-To: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> References: <4B1EF598.9080002@nd.edu> Message-ID: <061301ca7dc7$5679b0a0$036d11e0$@org> I've updated the Zikula sandbox guide at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox In theory, the first half or so should be enough to completely replicate the pt6 instance on a different machine. Its not too complicated as a process, fortunately. As far as I can tell, our major remaining item(s) is the template/design work which will require input from me as in places we will need some advanced template logic. We're very close, but we'll need some bandwidth from both me and the design team to get us over the finishing line. Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: Pascal Calarco [mailto:pcalarco at nd.edu] > Sent: 09 December 2009 00:56 > To: Simon Birtwistle; For discussions about marketing and expanding the > Fedora user base > Subject: Fedora Insight: Remaining items > > Hi all -- > > Simon made excellent progress on Monday resolving most of the errors on > publictest6 for Fedora Insight. Xinhua works nicely and I am able to > submit, decision, and publish articles with the workflow we designed > for > FWN. > > However, we are not ready to launch yet. We still need to cluster > individual FWN beats into a single issue. When I publish items, they > aren't showing up on the interface yet, as the design needs to get > synched with the templates that we worked on at FUDCon. There are a > number of design tickets open that Mo was working on. Diana made good > progress on some of these, and we should get the detail for these > tickets updated, but there are a number of tickets that we need Mo or > someone else on the design team to document and work on. > > We also did not quite get to the staging server, AFAIK. > > Perhaps we could meet on IRC sometime later this week to discuss > further? Thanks! > > - pascal > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.100/2554 - Release Date: > 12/09/09 07:32:00 From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 21:09:41 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:09:41 -0500 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> Well, that was fast. Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!), http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month. Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg. To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page: {{header|marketing}} Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution, if you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo! --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 21:19:15 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:19:15 -0700 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912151319j501b863g642a5261e2648136@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Well, that was fast. > > Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she > created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!), > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month. > > Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg. > > To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page: > > {{header|marketing}} > > Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution, if > you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo! Awesomeness. :) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From tatica at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 15 21:19:38 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:49:38 -0430 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912151319w312861afje7636192ff12b755@mail.gmail.com> Was a pleasure :D 2009/12/15 Mel Chua > Well, that was fast. > > Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she > created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!), > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month. > > Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg. > > To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page: > > {{header|marketing}} > > Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution, if > you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo! > > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 21:40:55 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:40:55 -0700 Subject: FUDCon Survey Update Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912151340o4283f015yba9850b75b1d2340@mail.gmail.com> I will be sprinting on getting this out in the next day. A rundown, from the marketing meeting: 1) Robyn to get final question list out this afternoon. 2) Robyn to sync up with Mel on login / password information - we will be doing a one-time hosted survey on limesurvey's website (cost $10) 3) Robyn to get questions posted to survey this evening 4) Robyn / Mel to do quick eyeball of survey in the morning to make sure it is kosher 5) Robyn or Mel to do email blast announcing survey tomorrow. Per stickster: ideal mailing lists are mchua: rbergeron: FUDCon survey publicity -- I would hit up: fedora-devel-announce, fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, fudcon-planning 6) Survey to run 12/16/09 - 1/8/10 - with an email reminder on 1/4/10. -Robyn From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 22:39:49 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:39:49 -0500 Subject: Marketing SOPs In-Reply-To: <4B27D67C.4020504@redhat.com> References: <4B27D45E.1010402@redhat.com> <4B27D67C.4020504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B281035.1070303@redhat.com> > Different teams within Fedora have different practices and ways of doing > things, and if we see an idea that we like - no matter where it's from - > then we should try to adopt it, and share our results "back upstream." Another good way of sharing ideas: blogging! This one should hit the Planet shortly. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ If you don't already have a blog on Planet, this is a great time to start. There are instructions on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_Fedora_Planet - ask on-list or in-channel if you have any questions. I'm done now. :) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 03:05:45 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:05:45 -0500 Subject: Marketing Infrastructure projects, update 2009-12-15 Message-ID: <4B284E89.4060002@redhat.com> Since a substantial portion of what Marketing is working on between now and Alpha (March 2) is getting infrastructure/tools up so we can do our work efficiently for the rest of the cycle, here's a quick update on our two big marketing-related infrastructure projects, also sent to Logistics for cross-team goodness (and mayyybe packaging help? maybe?). Project 1: Zikula This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight (which includes FWN, and will be largely reusable for Docs), and progress is being tracked on the logistics list, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics. We are currently (still) on publictest6. We want to have soft-launched on production by Alpha (March 3). Simon has an overview of the remaining work that needs to be done before we can be puppetized (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000303.html). He's also updated the "how to set up a zikula sandbox" instructions, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox. We are blocked by final fixes to the theme (design/CSS help needed!) which will then need to be packaged, as well as licensing issues with Scribite (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000301.html) but it looks like the interaction between Fedora and Zikula folks is beginning to snowball (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000302.html)... I'd like to see if we can get packagers + upstream on IRC at the same time to just Work Out these licensing issues at one go, because asynch communication is Very Slow. After those blockers are out, I *think* we'll be go for puppetizing. Project 2: Limesurvey This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Infrastructure, and seems like it should be relatively straightforward (but then again, that's what I thought for zikula...) Robyn Bergeron and Ryan Rix are driving this from the Marketing side of things, but I'm temporarily stepping in for Ryan since he's afk for exams this week. As far as I know, there's only one package involved in this (limesurvey) which is still under review (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817). It *sounds* from the comments like it should be done and ready for approval, but a reviewer (*coughIancough* is needed). In the meantime, I tried installing the latest SRPM from Eric (Sparks) on pt6, and failboated, details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_limesurvey_sandbox#Install_the_package. Once the package is approved and installed on pt6, I *think* that's all we'll need (we might want to change the logo, but that's trivial and I really can't think of anything else atm). In the meantime-meantime, because we need to get the FUDCon survey up yesterday, we're giving limeservice $10 to host a 250-response survey for us so we can start administering that survey tomorrow. That means we'll have a db ready to migrate whenever our limesurvey instance goes up, plus people with familiarity administering limesurvey software via the web interface (some of us, myself included, have used it before and know the rudiments). Questions? Comments? Am I missing something? (Is this helpful?) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 03:40:04 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:40:04 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Survey Update In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912151340o4283f015yba9850b75b1d2340@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912151340o4283f015yba9850b75b1d2340@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B285694.90000@redhat.com> Update: > 2) Robyn to sync up with Mel on login / password information - we > will be doing a one-time hosted survey on limesurvey's website (cost > $10) All set, we've got http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/ and Robyn has the admin details (I believe - will doublecheck tonight or tomorrow morning or whenever we're both awake and online again). Cost for 250 additional responses (total now 275) was actually $22, but that's okay. As a side effect, we now have a budget-tracking page (this may be our only F13 receipt, though): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_budget_F13 Remaining: > 1) Robyn to get final question list out this afternoon. > > 3) Robyn to get questions posted to survey this evening > > 4) Robyn / Mel to do quick eyeball of survey in the morning to make > sure it is kosher > > 5) Robyn or Mel to do email blast announcing survey tomorrow. Per > stickster: ideal mailing lists are mchua: rbergeron: > FUDCon survey publicity -- I would hit up: fedora-devel-announce, > fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, fudcon-planning > > 6) Survey to run 12/16/09 - 1/8/10 - with an email reminder on > 1/4/10. > > -Robyn > From sparks at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 16 04:32:58 2009 From: sparks at fedoraproject.org (Eric "Sparks" Christensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:32:58 -0500 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting Message-ID: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We used to have a weekly Zikula meeting before the licensing issues brought us to a screeching halt. We are mostly beyond that, now. To meet the Insight time-line Zikula needs to be up and running in 2.5 months (at Alpha). That would also work for Docs as well. The following people need to be at the meeting: David (ke4qqq) Eric (Sparks) Mel (mchua) Simon (itbegins) Anyone else? If those NEED people could send me their available times I'll put together a time to meet. Also, we could use some additional packagers. If you would like to help us out, please let me know that as well and I'll include your schedule in my consideration. 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If you would like to help > us out, please let me know that as well and I'll include your schedule > in my consideration. If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To Package! week together - join us on the Classroom (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. It might not help us out tremendously *right now*, to be completely honest - but we *will* need to fine-tune, tweak, revise, and launch v.2.0 of all these sites at *some* point in the future, and capacity-building for that day is a Very Good Idea. (If you *can* package and want to teach others how to package so we can tackle this stuff so you don't have to, please please please *please* let us know.) --Mel From hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 16 05:02:00 2009 From: hiemanshu at fedoraproject.org (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:32:00 +0530 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2f60e31b0912152102h96d943dq82d18827a258af03@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/16 Mel Chua > The following people need to be at the meeting: >> >> David (ke4qqq) >> > > Eric (Sparks) >> > > Mel (mchua) >> > available except for Mon 15:00-16:00 UTC and Tue 20:00-21:00 UTC > > > Simon (itbegins) >> > > Anyone else? >> >> If those NEED people could send me their available times I'll put >> together a time to meet. >> >> Also, we could use some additional packagers. If you would like to help >> us out, please let me know that as well and I'll include your schedule >> in my consideration. >> > > If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, there > are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, Karsten, > Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To Package! week > together - join us on the Classroom ( > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're > interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. > > Add me to this list as well, I am also a part of the "I want to learn to be packager, somebody please help me" Group. A classroom for it would just be great. I was hoping someone would have helped me when FOSS.in took place, but well no one had the time. > It might not help us out tremendously *right now*, to be completely honest > - but we *will* need to fine-tune, tweak, revise, and launch v.2.0 of all > these sites at *some* point in the future, and capacity-building for that > day is a Very Good Idea. > > (If you *can* package and want to teach others how to package so we can > tackle this stuff so you don't have to, please please please *please* let us > know.) > > --Mel And as Mel (simons, even ) knows i am pretty good with CSS, I am here to help with most CSS stuff. What most people dont know is that I am a content writer as well. These are two things that I can help with. Regards, Hiemanshu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Dec 16 05:19:26 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:19:26 -0500 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B286DDE.3060500@nd.edu> On 15/12/09 11:32 PM, Eric "Sparks" Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > We used to have a weekly Zikula meeting before the licensing issues > brought us to a screeching halt. We are mostly beyond that, now. To > meet the Insight time-line Zikula needs to be up and running in 2.5 > months (at Alpha). That would also work for Docs as well. > > The following people need to be at the meeting: > > David (ke4qqq) > Eric (Sparks) > Mel (mchua) > Simon (itbegins) > Anyone else? I am certainly not a need to be there person, and can't contribute to what needs to be done on the technical side, but will likely show up to the meetings if my schedule permits to learn and track this vis-a-vis FWN so I can keep the news team up to date on this. Thanks! - pascal > If those NEED people could send me their available times I'll put > together a time to meet. > > Also, we could use some additional packagers. If you would like to help > us out, please let me know that as well and I'll include your schedule > in my consideration. > > Thanks, > Eric From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 05:20:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:20:28 -0500 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <2f60e31b0912152102h96d943dq82d18827a258af03@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> <2f60e31b0912152102h96d943dq82d18827a258af03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B286E1C.30704@redhat.com> > If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, > there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation > (me, Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a > Learn To Package! week together - join us on the Classroom > (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're > interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. > > Add me to this list as well, I am also a part of the "I want to learn to > be packager, somebody please help me" Group. A classroom for it would > just be great. I was hoping someone would have helped me when FOSS.in > took place, but well no one had the time. Yeah, this seems to be a common thread... Let's fix it. Join the Classroom thread on http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/classroom/2009-December/000103.html and we'll get more packaging firepower for Marketing, Docs, and whoever else wants to learn it. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 05:27:47 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:27:47 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-15 Message-ID: <4B286FD3.9040603@redhat.com> Oh! I totally forgot to send these out earlier this afternoon. Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.html Action-packed meeting, notes well worth reading - our velocity this week is VERY HIGH (as you may have seen from list traffic today. ;) Meeting summary --------------- * agenda (mchua, 20:05:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:05:08) * wiki cleanup (mchua, 20:06:07) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing (rbergeron, 20:06:47) * trac! (rbergeron, 20:10:37) * ACTION: triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing (rbergeron, 20:15:27) * status check - marketing projects infrastructure (rbergeron, 20:16:26) * ACTION: mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting (mchua, 20:17:57) * ACTION: mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the various teams involved (mchua, 20:19:19) * status - fedora-tour / infrastructure stuff (rbergeron, 20:20:45) * status limesurvey / infrastructure status (rbergeron, 20:22:29) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817 (mchua, 20:22:42) * ACTION: mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 (mchua, 20:24:07) * AGREED: limesurvey hosting for $10 for 250 responses for the FUDCon survey while we get our own infra up (mchua, 20:29:23) * ACTION: mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for (mchua, 20:30:49) * ACTION: mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on (mchua, 20:31:39) * ACTION: rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review (rbergeron, 20:37:30) * ACTION: mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero can post questions (rbergeron, 20:38:05) * ACTION: survey to go live / info out on mailing lists (rbergeron, 20:38:33) * ACTION: ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! (rbergeron, 20:38:52) * ACTION: survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 (rbergeron, 20:46:40) * open floor (rbergeron, 20:47:59) * LINK: http://twitter.com/quaid/status/6457010955 (quaid, 20:55:45) * SOPs (mchua, 20:56:11) * #open floor (mchua, 20:56:37) * SOPs (mchua, 20:58:05) * our SOPs are now easy to make! (mchua, 20:58:05) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs has a list of current SOPs as well as a SOP on how to make SOPs. (mchua, 20:58:05) * LINK: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ has the longer narrative (mchua, 20:58:08) * logo! (mchua, 20:58:14) * we have shiny flair, thanks to tatica for making us a logo! Check it out on our wiki page... (mchua, 20:58:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing (mchua, 20:58:17) * the svg source is available, it's linked to from the image directly (mchua, 20:58:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png (mchua, 20:58:23) * open floor (mchua, 20:58:27) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/policycoreutils-2.0.78-3.fc12 (wwoods, 20:59:56) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm items next week, which sounds like a good plan; between now and then, we have a FUDCon survey to get out, and more infrastructure to put up (mchua, 21:00:56) * LINK: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/s-c-selinux.png (wwoods, 21:01:09) * LINK: http://fpaste.org/6ZUe/ (hiemanshu, 21:01:40) * ACTION: next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on time / resources needed / etc. (rbergeron, 21:01:52) * ACTION: chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a (rbergeron, 21:02:46) * ACTION: I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable (hiemanshu, 21:03:08) * ACTION: mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes (mchua, 21:03:16) * infrastructure update - fedora-tour (rbergeron, 21:07:26) Meeting ended at 21:15:52 UTC. Action Items ------------ * triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing * mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting * mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the various teams involved * mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 * mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for * mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on * rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review * mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero can post questions * survey to go live / info out on mailing lists * ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! * survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 * next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on time / resources needed / etc. * chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a * I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable * mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mchua * mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting * mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the various teams involved * mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 * mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for * mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on * mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero can post questions * mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes * quaid * chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a * **UNASSIGNED** * triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing * rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review * survey to go live / info out on mailing lists * ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! * survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 * next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on time / resources needed / etc. * I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 05:56:40 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:56:40 -0700 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-15 In-Reply-To: <4B286FD3.9040603@redhat.com> References: <4B286FD3.9040603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912152156y5dfe09ebtc79bb70a955e864f@mail.gmail.com> Man! I -totally- forgot about the Trac Triage Party post-meeting. Maybe we can do it post-meeting next week - today was spent getting the FUDCon survey stuff going. -r On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Oh! I totally forgot to send these out earlier this afternoon. Added to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. > > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.html > > Action-packed meeting, notes well worth reading - our velocity this week is > VERY HIGH (as you may have seen from list traffic today. ;) > > > Meeting summary > --------------- > * agenda ?(mchua, 20:05:08) > ?* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda > ? ?(mchua, 20:05:08) > > * wiki cleanup ?(mchua, 20:06:07) > ?* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing ? (rbergeron, > ? ?20:06:47) > > * trac! ?(rbergeron, 20:10:37) > ?* ACTION: triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac > ? ?stuff / roll over what is continuing ?(rbergeron, 20:15:27) > > * status check - marketing projects infrastructure ?(rbergeron, > ?20:16:26) > ?* ACTION: mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting ?(mchua, > ? ?20:17:57) > ?* ACTION: mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across > ? ?the various teams involved ?(mchua, 20:19:19) > > * status - fedora-tour / infrastructure stuff ?(rbergeron, 20:20:45) > > * status limesurvey / infrastructure status ?(rbergeron, 20:22:29) > ?* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817 ? (mchua, > ? ?20:22:42) > ?* ACTION: mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on > ? ?pt6 ?(mchua, 20:24:07) > ?* AGREED: limesurvey hosting for $10 for 250 responses for the FUDCon > ? ?survey while we get our own infra up ?(mchua, 20:29:23) > ?* ACTION: mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 > ? ?responses paid for ?(mchua, 20:30:49) > ?* ACTION: mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey > ? ?on ?(mchua, 20:31:39) > ?* ACTION: rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for > ? ?quick review ?(rbergeron, 20:37:30) > ?* ACTION: mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to > ? ?fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero > ? ?can post questions ?(rbergeron, 20:38:05) > ?* ACTION: survey to go live / info out on mailing lists ?(rbergeron, > ? ?20:38:33) > ?* ACTION: ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! ?(rbergeron, 20:38:52) > ?* ACTION: survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 > ? ?(rbergeron, 20:46:40) > > * open floor ?(rbergeron, 20:47:59) > ?* LINK: http://twitter.com/quaid/status/6457010955 ? (quaid, 20:55:45) > > * SOPs ?(mchua, 20:56:11) > > * #open floor ?(mchua, 20:56:37) > > * SOPs ?(mchua, 20:58:05) > ?* our SOPs are now easy to make! ?(mchua, 20:58:05) > ?* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs has a > ? ?list of current SOPs as well as a SOP on how to make SOPs. ?(mchua, > ? ?20:58:05) > ?* LINK: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ has > ? ?the longer narrative ?(mchua, 20:58:08) > > * logo! ?(mchua, 20:58:14) > ?* we have shiny flair, thanks to tatica for making us a logo! Check it > ? ?out on our wiki page... ?(mchua, 20:58:14) > ?* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing ? (mchua, 20:58:17) > ?* the svg source is available, it's linked to from the image directly > ? ?(mchua, 20:58:20) > ?* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png > ? ?(mchua, 20:58:23) > > * open floor ?(mchua, 20:58:27) > ?* LINK: > ? ?https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/policycoreutils-2.0.78-3.fc12 > ? ?(wwoods, 20:59:56) > ?* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm items > ? ?next week, which sounds like a good plan; between now and then, we > ? ?have a FUDCon survey to get out, and more infrastructure to put up > ? ?(mchua, 21:00:56) > ?* LINK: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/s-c-selinux.png > ? ?(wwoods, 21:01:09) > ?* LINK: http://fpaste.org/6ZUe/ ? (hiemanshu, 21:01:40) > ?* ACTION: next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some > ? ?estimates on time / resources needed / etc. ?(rbergeron, 21:01:52) > ?* ACTION: chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features > ? ?and sub-projects could use a ?(rbergeron, 21:02:46) > ?* ACTION: I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects > ? ?could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can > ? ?start doing this with Desktop right away to define something > ? ?repeatable ?(hiemanshu, 21:03:08) > ?* ACTION: mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes ?(mchua, 21:03:16) > > * infrastructure update - fedora-tour ?(rbergeron, 21:07:26) > > Meeting ended at 21:15:52 UTC. > > > > > Action Items > ------------ > * triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll > ?over what is continuing > * mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting > * mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the various > ?teams involved > * mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 > * mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses > ?paid for > * mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on > * rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review > * mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to > ?fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero > ?can post questions > * survey to go live / info out on mailing lists > * ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! > * survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 > * next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on > ?time / resources needed / etc. > * chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and > ?sub-projects could use a > * I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a > ?"from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this > ?with Desktop right away to define something repeatable > * mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes > > > > > Action Items, by person > ----------------------- > * mchua > ?* mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting > ?* mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the > ? ?various teams involved > ?* mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 > ?* mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses > ? ?paid for > ?* mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on > ?* mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to > ? ?fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero > ? ?can post questions > ?* mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes > * quaid > ?* chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and > ? ?sub-projects could use a > * **UNASSIGNED** > ?* triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / > ? ?roll over what is continuing > ?* rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review > ?* survey to go live / info out on mailing lists > ?* ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! > ?* survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 > ?* next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on > ? ?time / resources needed / etc. > ?* I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a > ? ?"from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing > ? ?this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 06:03:59 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:03:59 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-15 In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912152156y5dfe09ebtc79bb70a955e864f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B286FD3.9040603@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912152156y5dfe09ebtc79bb70a955e864f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B28784F.90300@redhat.com> On 12/16/2009 12:56 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Man! I -totally- forgot about the Trac Triage Party post-meeting. > Maybe we can do it post-meeting next week - today was spent getting > the FUDCon survey stuff going. Edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda to reflect this and the topics we agreed on at the meeting, more eloquent rephrasings very very welcome. From simon at zikula.org Wed Dec 16 06:26:46 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:26:46 -0000 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <067901ca7e18$beb2bc60$3c183520$@org> > David (ke4qqq) > Eric (Sparks) > Mel (mchua) > Simon (itbegins) Available most days except Tuesday and Thursday, but only after 20:30 UST. This can vary from week to week... From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 16 06:47:39 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:47:39 +0200 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B28828B.9080207@nicubunu.ro> On 12/15/2009 11:09 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > > Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she > created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!), > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month. Tatica is doing a lot of awesome stuff on the LATAM community. > Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg. I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the font from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for "fedora"), If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments. > To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page: > > {{header|marketing}} > > Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution, > if you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo! Agree, she is totally kicking. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 16 11:52:30 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:22:30 -0430 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B28828B.9080207@nicubunu.ro> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> <4B28828B.9080207@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912160352n5ae0b5cdoc809533ea54bb3d4@mail.gmail.com> Thank you nicu, I'm getting crazy with so many fonts in my pc :D team work hoa! 2009/12/16 Nicu Buculei > On 12/15/2009 11:09 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > >> >> Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she >> created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!), >> http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month. >> > > Tatica is doing a lot of awesome stuff on the LATAM community. > > > Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg. >> > > I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the font > from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for "fedora"), > If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments. > > > To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page: >> >> {{header|marketing}} >> >> Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! 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Please fill in when you are available for a meeting each week. - --Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLKOQsAAoJEDbiLlqcYamxm1sQAL/C1QiMV1j2Hn919prQKl5W F4cQoFJ/v65v7e09u306BrECnC/YXHPNvz8OZmmVHe3HCUbDAKZWsxuvJ/oSffcq Nm5OmGsqN9G4hSRYh0CSIts4GEu4UWoGW4wGKUd2rS1L5+WAys9YuvOvm86F1Z8O OxqqZLKnnjZWnljIxo5TtVgCufowx9DjG8ZfHYVzfco4IlTXPpc4+kzouQXkutt+ T6/qTHXmQgze3cE7mrLacCaAVpGxS7A6HgAauCdn1Ln4mNZ5GtS2lVdgWex7YekN H3tBwiz/R1BzFgZqsLPT5M53I8QEuRfCV1m6xGkhcCk3lS16FLdlWHm+UpaPX3YV dPNLt8rOawAoPegieULeYK2EfDMLmO77qZR3DgcVkf7Wne0YUOaJgR6blkfVmtrT 4K+v7sNTiNbhpI0gwWZ2H5CodDe84mInru938MCNUJfyUAaf0Mik2TMhXXO4d/Bs L4KIXXuRUjd9hMyW8ttR+Jg6qDIiSmN5+gNncpRynIRr5dQdFXEjSiTf+RUNp2kN pux83TGMqYYbH3y+AAUogms/M1xkLSth+qaDdCKREghIrk4OylcFzeMH09+cOeB+ gf9WLE4sE/TDdBLZCws6yDrawr7hS2Kmzi1J5QaIhfFOW6NV0xvJEmLXaooH5xVd KT8l+fhMcso49JWLecW4 =lmWy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 14:03:41 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:03:41 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users Message-ID: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> Computerworld 12.16.09 Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols [clip] Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable of contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for you. It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as beginner-friendly as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any trouble working with Fedora even if they're not developers. [clip] For all of its many excellent features, Fedora isn't the best distribution for new or business users. But if you're a user like me who already lives his computing life on Linux, it's a great choice. Full post: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_different_users?taxonomyId=18&pageNumber=1 From kwade at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 15:29:28 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:29:28 -0800 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091216152928.GF4132@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:47:27PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: > > If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, > there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, > Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To > Package! week together - join us on the Classroom > (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're > interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. We were discussing what to tackle, since doing actual classroom work on a package we need makes even more sense, and I'm thinking we should (try) to do a Zikula package; maybe an easier one? Still, though, the week of 4 Jan is awful late for that, I should hope we'd have them all in by then. Can we get a few of y'all to list out to Fedora Planet, maybe fedora-devel-list the specific needs we have? I.e., not just "HALp!1!" but specific lists of what we know we need so far. - Karsten -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg: AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 15:49:37 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:49:37 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users In-Reply-To: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> References: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091216154937.GL24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Kara Schiltz wrote: > Computerworld > 12.16.09 > > Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users > By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > > [clip] > > Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to > me as being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable > of contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, > you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the > distro for you. Hm, that's an interesting takeaway from my quote. Aren't non-power users capable of contributing to FOSS? Aren't non-power users interested in contributing too? I'll endeavor to make that distinction clearer in future interviews -- I usually do so but apparently it wasn't clear in this one. :-) > It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as > beginner-friendly as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any > trouble working with Fedora even if they're not developers. Well, that's nice to hear in any case! Does it partially contradict the assertions above though? > [clip] > > For all of its many excellent features, Fedora isn't the best > distribution for new or business users. But if you're a user like me > who already lives his computing life on Linux, it's a great choice. > > Full post: > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_different_users?taxonomyId=18&pageNumber=1 There are a couple of puzzlers in this article, such as the implication that being able to find lesser-known utilities makes a distribution more suitable for the masses. I would argue that the masses don't care about such things. What's most important is a working set of well-integrated functionality that behaves consistently and predictably. The ability to fine tune that later is certainly great, but the average user isn't interested in spending time finding and learning new, off-the-beaten-path utilities. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 16 16:01:44 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:01:44 +0200 Subject: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users In-Reply-To: <20091216154937.GL24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> <20091216154937.GL24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B290468.6050601@nicubunu.ro> On 12/16/2009 05:49 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users >> By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols >> >> [clip] >> >> Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to >> me as being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable >> of contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, >> you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the >> distro for you. > >> It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as >> beginner-friendly as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any >> trouble working with Fedora even if they're not developers. > > Well, that's nice to hear in any case! Does it partially contradict > the assertions above though? No, I think his idea is something like: if you are a Linux user, you will find Fedora familiar, if you are a Linux *power* user, you will *love* it. > There are a couple of puzzlers in this article, such as the > implication that being able to find lesser-known utilities makes a > distribution more suitable for the masses. I would argue that the > masses don't care about such things. What's most important is a > working set of well-integrated functionality that behaves consistently > and predictably. The ability to fine tune that later is certainly > great, but the average user isn't interested in spending time finding > and learning new, off-the-beaten-path utilities. Trying to decipher, I think the meaning here is: an user who know little stuff and want to learn as little as possible, will do a Google search, end on some forum, copy/paste a few commands he does not understand and bang! everything is working. I am not sure we want to paint such image about ourselves. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Dec 16 16:14:41 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:14:41 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users In-Reply-To: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> References: <4B28E8BD.7010101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1260980081.2179.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:03 -0500, Kara Schiltz wrote: > Computerworld > 12.16.09 > > Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users > By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > > [clip] > > Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as > being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable of > contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, you're > going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for > you. Whoah that's a leap in logic. ~m From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 17:37:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:37:13 -0500 Subject: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback Message-ID: <4B291AC9.7090700@redhat.com> Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and I made a couple edits just now and attached the printable version so you can see the questions we're asking so far (the same file is also temporarily up at http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html). Thoughts? Here's what I did just now... * Added a "have you been to a FUDCon before?" question * Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most people left on Tuesday morning. * Added "Other suggestions?" option for FUDCon Live Other things I can think of... * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? * should we plug the Events FAD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the fudcon-planning list (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) at the end? * I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page so folks can see how we put this survey together and that they can help us with it (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that page needs a *lot* of cleanup first. Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing this up and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours (1900 UTC, which is ~2pm EST for me). --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 20:01:20 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:01:20 -0500 Subject: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback In-Reply-To: <4B291AC9.7090700@redhat.com> References: <4B291AC9.7090700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091216200120.GT24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:37:13PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: > Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and > I made a couple edits just now and attached the printable version so > you can see the questions we're asking so far (the same file is also > temporarily up at > http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html). > > Thoughts? Here's what I did just now... > > * Added a "have you been to a FUDCon before?" question > * Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most > people left on Tuesday morning. > * Added "Other suggestions?" option for FUDCon Live In question 26, I think microblogs + Facebook + LinkedIn could be effectively combined as "Status updates via Twitter, Identi.ca, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.". I think a lot of people probably use status-spraying tools that update all of them at once. (That's the "if Paul has figured that out, probably lots of other people have too" theory.) > Other things I can think of... > > * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any > blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? > * should we plug the Events FAD > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the > fudcon-planning list > (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) > at the end? Yes. > * I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page > so folks can see how we put this survey together and that they can > help us with it (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that > page needs a *lot* of cleanup first. > > Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing > this up and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours > (1900 UTC, which is ~2pm EST for me). -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 20:07:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:07:28 -0500 Subject: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback In-Reply-To: <20091216200120.GT24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B291AC9.7090700@redhat.com> <20091216200120.GT24973@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B293E00.1040803@redhat.com> > In question 26, I think microblogs + Facebook + LinkedIn could be > effectively combined as "Status updates via Twitter, Identi.ca, > Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.". I think a lot of people probably use > status-spraying tools that update all of them at once. (That's the > "if Paul has figured that out, probably lots of other people have too" > theory.) Done, thanks! >> * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any >> blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? >> * should we plug the Events FAD >> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the >> fudcon-planning list >> (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) >> at the end? > > Yes. Done, except the blog posts are an "edit this wiki page!" thing now since we're already gathering it elsewhere. Launching in a moment... --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 17 01:46:25 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:46:25 -0500 Subject: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized Message-ID: <4B298D71.3000701@redhat.com> For future reference, here's what I did/am about to do. * Made a big red "take this survey!" box on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009_BarCamp_Schedule so people looking for FUDCon Toronto information will find it (this will have to be updated when the survey closes, btw) * Added it to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#FUDcon_survey section so we can keep track of it * emailed the "take this survey please!" announcement to fedora-devel-announce, fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, and fudcon-planning (being sent immediately after this email) * blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily) Time will tell if this was enough. In the meantime, please take the survey and blog it up and such. :) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 17 02:09:55 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:09:55 -0500 Subject: FUDCon Toronto: please take the 5-minute feedback survey Message-ID: <4B2992F3.5080205@redhat.com> FUDCon Toronto (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009) is over - our largest FUDCon yet! We'd love to get your thoughts on how it went, so: * If you attended FUDCon Toronto, either in-person or remotely via Fedora Live, please take this survey and tell us what you thought. * If you didn't attend FUDCon Toronto but wanted to, please take this survey and tell us how we can help you get to the next one. * If you didn't want to go to FUDCon Toronto, please take this survey and tell us why - it's anonymous. ;-) The survey is available at http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/index.php?sid=34266&lang=en There are 29 questions, most of the yes/no variety; the survey takes less than 5 minutes to complete (I just timed myself). A special thanks to Robyn Bergeron, Yaakov Nemoy, and the rest of the Fedora Marketing team for designing the survey so it *can* be completed in less than 5 minutes! Questions are previewable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_survey. The survey will be active from 12/16/2009 through 1/8/2010, and we'll be analyzing and announcing the results shortly after it closes. If you're curious about the process, interested in helping us analyze the results, or have any questions in general, join the conversation on the Fedora Marketing mailing list (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 17 03:25:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:25:32 -0500 Subject: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized In-Reply-To: <4B298D71.3000701@redhat.com> References: <4B298D71.3000701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B29A4AC.6060209@redhat.com> > * blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily) So, I made a version with a quickie shiny picture, to test Mo's suggestion of "if you want something to get responses, put visuals in it." http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/16/fudcon-toronto-its-survey-time/ Clearly my adcopy writing skills need work, but it's a start. I'm looking forward to our infrastructure projects being done, because marketing research surveys are probably the sorts of thing we'd like to put out "please take me!" articles for on Fedora Insight. --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 03:37:41 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:41 -0700 Subject: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized In-Reply-To: <4B29A4AC.6060209@redhat.com> References: <4B298D71.3000701@redhat.com> <4B29A4AC.6060209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912161937y4beaec99mfd5b907cf4a5ee5e@mail.gmail.com> Re: the picture.... If you don't recognize the room, but wish you did, or if you heard in a live session that the room was really big but you haven't seen a photo until now... Please take the survey! I'll blog tonight about the writing of the survey :) -robyn On 12/16/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> * blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily) > > So, I made a version with a quickie shiny picture, to test Mo's > suggestion of "if you want something to get responses, put visuals in it." > > http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/16/fudcon-toronto-its-survey-time/ > > Clearly my adcopy writing skills need work, but it's a start. I'm > looking forward to our infrastructure projects being done, because > marketing research surveys are probably the sorts of thing we'd like to > put out "please take me!" articles for on Fedora Insight. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 17 04:35:51 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:35:51 -0500 Subject: Zikula Weekly Meeting In-Reply-To: <20091216152928.GF4132@calliope.phig.org> References: <4B2862FA.8010501@fedoraproject.org> <4B28665F.1060805@redhat.com> <20091216152928.GF4132@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4B29B527.20906@redhat.com> > Can we get a few of y'all to list out to Fedora Planet, maybe > fedora-devel-list the specific needs we have? > > I.e., not just "HALp!1!" but specific lists of what we know we need so > far. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Packaging is what I know about, which mostly links to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status. At our first meeting we should go through and make sure that list is up to date, and then go "HALP!" --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 17 07:04:48 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:04:48 -0500 Subject: Marketing logo/icon has been requested In-Reply-To: <4B28828B.9080207@nicubunu.ro> References: <4B27C340.5050104@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90912150921g4c8a54e0gbf1be77be65e9701@mail.gmail.com> <4B27FB15.60408@redhat.com> <4B28828B.9080207@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4B29D810.9070701@redhat.com> > I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the > font from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for > "fedora"), If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments. Updated, thanks! Ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110#comment:4 See the difference in the logos: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg Revised logo in action: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing --Mel From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:05:56 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:05:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback In-Reply-To: <4B291AC9.7090700@redhat.com> Message-ID: 2009/12/16 Mel Chua : > Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and I made a > couple edits just now and attached the printable version so you can see the > questions we're asking so far (the same file is also temporarily up at > http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html). > > Thoughts? Here's what I did just now... > > * Added a "have you been to a FUDCon before?" question > * Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most people left > on Tuesday morning. > * Added "Other suggestions?" option for FUDCon Live > > Other things I can think of... > > * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any blog > posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? > * should we plug the Events FAD > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the fudcon-planning > list (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) at > the end? > * I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page so folks > can see how we put this survey together and that they can help us with it > (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that page needs a *lot* of > cleanup first. > > Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing this up > and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours (1900 UTC, which > is ~2pm EST for me). 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And while we don't feel like we are finished with that yet, we do feel like Fedora 12 was a real leap ahead in terms of being a very polished, solid distribution that anybody is able to use." Full post: http://www.dbta.com/Articles/Editorial/Linux-News/Fedora-12-Offers-Latest-Features-and-Usability-60265.aspx From mel at redhat.com Fri Dec 18 18:40:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:40:46 -0500 Subject: "The 4 Foundations" thread on fedora-ambassadors Message-ID: <4B2BCCAE.800@redhat.com> ...makes interesting reading, in case some folks here haven't seen it yet. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00219.html They refer to the Foundations - Freedom, Friends, Features, First - we go by, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations. As someone who's still comparatively new to the Fedora world (I wasn't here when the Foundations were first created), it's fascinating to watch these discussions, and how we continuously create our notions of what Fedora means to us. This is the kind of good discussion that I'd love to be able to tell stories about, but which most people don't get to see, or even realize we have. Is there a way to highlight this sort of conversation - maybe as a Fedora Insight article - so other folks can get a glimpse into the kind of community we are (and hopefully, like what they see and join us)? --Mel From tatica at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 18 20:11:16 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:41:16 -0430 Subject: "The 4 Foundations" thread on fedora-ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4B2BCCAE.800@redhat.com> References: <4B2BCCAE.800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912181211o42e3ed31s1ccd9117fcb3dd35@mail.gmail.com> hello all! This is an idea that I explore first with Mel at IRC and like we have a good feedback, let me trough it in here: Fedora Ambassadors/Marketing/Design has several projects that sometimes doesn't get done by time, effort, people, or anything else. Some of those project "can" be mix into one and join the small effort and cooperation on each one into one big project with more power and scope. So this is the idea: * 4 foundations: is the literary representation of what is fedora as a complement of technology and people. * Personas (people): is a way to know more about who makes Fedora possible, how and what does everything gets involved * Picture book: is a window through our team real life beyond the pc monitor. what can we do with this 3 projects? you can ask this questions to yourself: What have I done for fedora? why have I done this? am I part of any of the 4 foundations slogan? what am i doing (or have I done) being part of Fedora family? can I take a picture of what fedora means to me? We could maybe use this 3 project and make one to show people that we are like everyone else, everyone can help, everyone can make a difference. Ideas near Christmas, lol Bye bye! 2009/12/18 Mel Chua > ...makes interesting reading, in case some folks here haven't seen it yet. > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00219.html > > They refer to the Foundations - Freedom, Friends, Features, First - we go > by, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations. > > As someone who's still comparatively new to the Fedora world (I wasn't here > when the Foundations were first created), it's fascinating to watch these > discussions, and how we continuously create our notions of what Fedora means > to us. > > This is the kind of good discussion that I'd love to be able to tell > stories about, but which most people don't get to see, or even realize we > have. Is there a way to highlight this sort of conversation - maybe as a > Fedora Insight article - so other folks can get a glimpse into the kind of > community we are (and hopefully, like what they see and join us)? > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 12:49:27 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:19:27 +0530 Subject: fedora-tour update Message-ID: <1261226967.1716.31.camel@localhost> hi, wrt : http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.log.html Ryan and I had both been off the internet for a week or so. Sorry we couldn't make it to the meeting. There isn't much to report on the project currently: We got the git repo on fedorahosted today[1]. We're working on the app. I've added a placeholder splash[3] etc. to the app already. My blog post from earlier today[2] We're going to try and do it the "release early, release quickly" way. Version 0.1 should be out in a few weeks. :) regards, Ankur (franciscod) [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour/wiki [2] http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/fedora-hosts-fedora-tour/ [3] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour/browser/data/fedora-tour-splash.png From mel at redhat.com Sat Dec 19 15:59:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:59:17 -0500 Subject: fedora-tour update In-Reply-To: <1261226967.1716.31.camel@localhost> References: <1261226967.1716.31.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4B2CF855.2010804@redhat.com> This is an excellent example of how to keep communication lines open for a new project - IRC meetings, mailing list updates, and blogging about current progress (and in past posts, opportunities to help). > We're going to try and do it the "release early, release quickly" way. > Version 0.1 should be out in a few weeks. :) Let us know when you're ready to figure out what content to put into your design - it might be that we can make a pretty good number of our release deliverables reusable for this as well. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Dec 19 16:03:49 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:03:49 -0500 Subject: "The 4 Foundations" thread on fedora-ambassadors In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0912181211o42e3ed31s1ccd9117fcb3dd35@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2BCCAE.800@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912181211o42e3ed31s1ccd9117fcb3dd35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2CF965.90705@redhat.com> > So this is the idea: > > * 4 foundations: is the literary representation of what is fedora as a > complement of technology and people. > * Personas (people): is a way to know more about who makes Fedora > possible, how and what does everything gets involved > * Picture book: is a window through our team real life beyond the pc > monitor. > > what can we do with this 3 projects? you can ask this questions to yourself: The idea was to possibly combine resources from the above 3 projects into Making One Deliverable: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook This isn't a release deliverable (non-critical-path for Marketing right now) but it would be *extremely* nice to have. It may make a good deliverable for our FAD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Workshops (depending on the other things we want to get done). Mostly, this project needs someone to step up and move it forward, which is what Tatica is doing. :) --Mel From ry at n.rix.si Sat Dec 19 21:40:43 2009 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:40:43 -0700 Subject: Let's meet! (Marketing FAD 2010) Message-ID: <200912191440.49277.ry@n.rix.si> Hi, Talking to Mel last night reminded me that the team needs to start getting the ball rolling on Marketing FAD. We need to make a few decisions here for the FAD to happen, so that we can even start planning it: Where, who, when. Who: Add yourself to the wiki if you want to attend, either in person or virtually. We currently have 9 in-person and one virtual attendee on the wiki page[1] Knowing the Who will make the Where easier. Where: A few locations seem to make sense to me, feel free to throw out any others... *Red Hat office in either Boston, MA or Raleigh, NC as we have attendees in the area (Mel for Boston, Max and Kara for Raleigh) and we have the benefit of having a Red Hat office, which would probably get us easy conference space. *Las Vegas, NV was thrown out there; cheap hotels, cheap eats, LOTS of touristy things to do, lots of conference space. Of course, with it being Vegas, it may take some work to keep things on FAD topic :) *Phoenix/Tempe, AZ as Robyn's an hour or two's drive from Phoenix, and I'm in Phoenix. We have _AMAZING_ weather in March (afaik, it's still cold and gross in Boston and possibly NC in March, it'll probably be in th 60-70?F range in the Phoenix area.) Tempe is close to at least two universities, one of whom I can get a contact at easily. I'm writing this email sitting in my back yard, in a tee shirt, if that helps explain how awesome the weather is in winter :) *Portland: Portland is open-source friendly, and John Poelstra's centered there. They also have good coffee I hear, which would be a big plus for a Fedora event :) When: Mel suggested a March time frame, which is pretty broad. My high school has spring break from Sat 13 to Sun 21, so any days in those time frames work best for me and (iirc) Robyn, as her children have those days off, too. Some questions: How many days? Do we want a leisure day? What works best for everyone else interested in attending? Of course, these questions are avoiding the large and awesome topic, of "what" we want to do at this event? Mel said we wanted deliverables after the event, what deliverables do we want? Any other goals? [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 Ryan -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ry at n.rix.si Sun Dec 20 01:21:39 2009 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:21:39 -0700 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast Message-ID: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> Hey all, At a few weeks' ago marketing(may have been ambassadors?) meeting, I drug Paul Mellors (cc'd) into a discussion with Max Spevack and I about creating a podcast where various Fedora contributors would be interviewed by the host(s) about what they do in the project, how they found Fedora, why they are a member, etc etc etc... Well, I think that such a thing would be a good marketing project, and think that the new year would be the perfect time to start it up. Max said he had some ideas on the podcast, and so did Paul, so I think it would be a good idea to start up this discussion again, in a mailing list. I don't know if Paul is a member of this list (I think so) but hopefully he doesn't mind joining in on the discussion :) Mine are, in essence, that first paragraph, it's a pretty straightforward idea, I think. We'd brainstorm a list of contributors; not just big names, but a lot of the newer developers, too. This has, I think, a two-fold effect: It gets new developers who get featured -really- excited and the chance to promote $project of theirs, and it shows people who may be thinking about contributing just how easy it can be. Thoughts? 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URL: From mel at redhat.com Sun Dec 20 04:28:12 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:28:12 -0500 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> So, On 12/19/2009 08:21 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > At a few weeks' ago marketing(may have been ambassadors?) meeting, I drug Paul > Mellors (cc'd) into a discussion with Max Spevack and I about creating a > podcast > > We'd brainstorm a list of contributors; not just big names, but > a lot of the newer developers, too. This has, I think, a two-fold effect: It > gets new developers who get featured -really- excited and the chance to > promote $project of theirs, and it shows people who may be thinking about > contributing just how easy it can be. > > Thoughts? Even easier startup: interview chain. You interview someone, they become the next interviewer and have to interview someone else, and so on down the line. (Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up for making a podcast, so that's something to check.) This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and keeps coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs someone to step up and do the first interview. ;) --Mel From ry at n.rix.si Sun Dec 20 04:52:49 2009 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:52:49 -0700 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200912192152.53914.ry@n.rix.si> On Sat 19 December 2009 9:28:12 pm Mel Chua wrote: > and mostly needs someone > to step up and do the first interview. ;) Shall we add the final step to getting that first interview to tuesday's agenda? :) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 05:15:31 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:15:31 -0700 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <200912192152.53914.ry@n.rix.si> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> <200912192152.53914.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912192115w2e8729dey13611630ca9f73b6@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > On Sat 19 December 2009 9:28:12 pm Mel Chua wrote: >> ?and mostly needs someone >> to step up and do the first interview. ;) > > Shall we add the final step to getting that first interview to tuesday's > agenda? :) I think in addition to that it would be useful to maybe send an email with a link to a wiki page where people can (a) sign up to be interviewed and (b) maybe provide a few dates (like a week time-frame) where they would be available to do something. This would be great stuff for Fedora Insight :) I have been thinking something along the same line - although I was thinking more in terms of print / email / irc interviews, since I'd imagine quite a number of devs don't necessarily have the gear needed to do audio, or the bandwidth to follow Paul's guide to doing a podcast interview (I'll plug that link again for goodness: http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-news-list/2009-10/msg00000.html). The great part about it is - in addition to getting developers excited about contributing, like Ryan mentioned - is that it also helps to open up the dialog a little more between marketing and engineering. Alternately, we could do two separate chains - one where we have devs interviewing each other on features via email, and maybe the occasional podcast interview by us. And since I'm such a marketeer, I have a fabulous name for it: "Under the Hood" ... since that's basically what we're doing, taking a look under the hood with these interviews. Fa la la la la, la la la la...... -Robyn > > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com ? ? ? ? ?| MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: ?phrkonaleash ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: ?PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > ? ? ?countless other FOSS channels. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 05:15:51 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:15:51 -0700 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912192115w2e8729dey13611630ca9f73b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> <200912192152.53914.ry@n.rix.si> <5d4d90c90912192115w2e8729dey13611630ca9f73b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912192115u3ec9ced9y481ab970be9fa526@mail.gmail.com> PS. I have a potential interviewee i could butter up. :) On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: >> On Sat 19 December 2009 9:28:12 pm Mel Chua wrote: >>> ?and mostly needs someone >>> to step up and do the first interview. ;) >> >> Shall we add the final step to getting that first interview to tuesday's >> agenda? :) > > I think in addition to that it would be useful to maybe send an email > with a link to a wiki page where people can (a) sign up to be > interviewed and (b) maybe provide a few dates (like a week time-frame) > where they would be available to do something. > > This would be great stuff for Fedora Insight :) > > I have been thinking something along the same line - although I was > thinking more in terms of print / email / irc interviews, since I'd > imagine quite a number of devs don't necessarily have the gear needed > to do audio, or the bandwidth to follow Paul's guide to doing a > podcast interview (I'll plug that link again for goodness: > http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-news-list/2009-10/msg00000.html). ? The > great part about it is - in addition to getting developers excited > about contributing, like Ryan mentioned - is that it also helps to > open up the dialog a little more between marketing and engineering. > > Alternately, we could do two separate chains - one where we have devs > interviewing each other on features via email, and maybe the > occasional podcast interview by us. > > And since I'm such a marketeer, I have a fabulous name for it: "Under > the Hood" ... since that's basically what we're doing, taking a look > under the hood with these interviews. > > Fa la la la la, la la la la...... > > -Robyn > > > >> >> -- >> Ryan Rix >> Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer >> >> New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! >> http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash >> XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com ? ? ? ? ?| MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com >> AIM: ?phrkonaleash ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| Yahoo: phrkonaleash >> IRC: ?PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and >> ? ? ?countless other FOSS channels. >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > From tatica at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 20 13:51:01 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:21:01 +1930 Subject: "The 4 Foundations" thread on fedora-ambassadors In-Reply-To: <4B2CF965.90705@redhat.com> References: <4B2BCCAE.800@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912181211o42e3ed31s1ccd9117fcb3dd35@mail.gmail.com> <4B2CF965.90705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912200551j5cb15027g72a20f30ccc9a6a5@mail.gmail.com> Hello! I'll try to compile at least 5 fedora-stories and make a solid proposition about what I have in mind. Hope to get this done to show it just after Christmas. 2009/12/20 Mel Chua > So this is the idea: >> >> * 4 foundations: is the literary representation of what is fedora as a >> complement of technology and people. >> * Personas (people): is a way to know more about who makes Fedora >> possible, how and what does everything gets involved >> * Picture book: is a window through our team real life beyond the pc >> monitor. >> >> what can we do with this 3 projects? you can ask this questions to >> yourself: >> > > The idea was to possibly combine resources from the above 3 projects into > Making One Deliverable: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook > > This isn't a release deliverable (non-critical-path for Marketing right > now) but it would be *extremely* nice to have. It may make a good > deliverable for our FAD: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Workshops (depending on > the other things we want to get done). > > Mostly, this project needs someone to step up and move it forward, which is > what Tatica is doing. :) > > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sun Dec 20 18:35:18 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:18 +0100 Subject: Let's meet! (Marketing FAD 2010) In-Reply-To: <200912191440.49277.ry@n.rix.si> References: <200912191440.49277.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <4B2E6E66.3080809@gmx.de> hy there, > *Red Hat office in either Boston, MA or Raleigh, NC as we have attendees in > the area (Mel for Boston, Max and Kara for Raleigh) and we have the benefit of > having a Red Hat office, which would probably get us easy conference space. > The PRO on that would be that we have a REALLY good Infrastructure. But I had the experience from meetings here around where participants are near their workplace that can be contraproductive (e.g. "hold on, I had a call from ... I need to to do that ... I grab something from the office, wait)... All other places sounds good for me ... I did not know any of them ;-) > When: Mel suggested a March time frame, which is pretty broad. My high school > has spring break from Sat 13 to Sun 21, so any days in those time frames work > best for me and (iirc) Robyn, as her children have those days off, too. Some > questions: How many days? I throw some thoughts in: I think we did not meet together in THAT particular group, meaning we had never before a MKTG FAD. We encounter each other at FADs, Events, Office time, etc. but THAT will be the first MKTG FAD where marketing stuff came up on the table and get things done. I think we will become acquainted with each other, know how things work in one or another part of the world, put together best practices, etc. Therefore it will NEVER be enough time to do all things. But I think if it will be possible 3-4 working days withing 1,5 days of planed leisure plus some spare time would be a good choice. > Do we want a leisure day? Hopefully yes ;-) > Of course, these questions are avoiding the large and awesome topic, of "what" > we want to do at this event? Mel said we wanted deliverables after the event, > what deliverables do we want? Any other goals? > Put my in the wiki... hope 2 c u soon :-) Henrik From mel at redhat.com Mon Dec 21 02:07:27 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:07:27 -0500 Subject: Technical communication notes from Betty Ong Message-ID: <4B2ED85F.7040103@redhat.com> Notes from Betty Ong, a student in Seneca's graduate program for technical communications, with my notes inline. > Some Marketing Considerations > > Branding: We need consistency in the message that is communicated > through newsletters, podcasts, etc. For example, if a bug is fixed, > but we find later that it introduces some other problem, every > reference to that bug fix needs to include the extra info about the > other problem. Single-sourcing of content would be good, but maybe > not so feasible for news. It might be good to start a writing style > sheet that a single Fedora meaning for specific words. I would rephrase this as "how can we make it so that the easiest way to do things reinforces a consistent message?" The idea of a brand/marketing style guide is intriguing, though I'm not sure where to go with it right now - I'm curious how this works for Docs, and for projects outside Fedora. > Soliciting feedback from users: After a download is complete, there > could be a message to inform new users that they can request > additional features by following some easy process. > Responding to news about Fedora: We can set up a feed that serves up > everything Fedora. It was fascinating to see what someone's first impressions of Fedora Marketing were through those lens - how do we get more of this kind of feedback? --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 08:01:28 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:01:28 -0700 Subject: F13 Schedule - question! Message-ID: <5d4d90c90912210001q777c963dwa9e20f37b41f9528@mail.gmail.com> On poelcat's F13 draft schedule (see: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html), tasks 13 and 15 are to update / freeze the Fedora tour page. Since we're doing the one-page release notes in lieu of the Fedora tour page, should we remove those tasks from the schedule (I'm assuming so...)? Should the one-page release notes draft / completion dates be rearranged to be more in line with when the Fedora tour pages were done, or are we comfortable with those dates and how they fall into the grander scheme of things? Also - shall we put a note on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours reflecting that we now do one-pg release notes instead of Tours, so that anyone looking for a Tour isn't wondering why the heck we didn't have one for F12 (or F13, and so forth)? -Robyn PS. I may have asked this already... I looked through my mail and didn't see anything about it. Apologies if I already brought it up :D From mel at redhat.com Mon Dec 21 19:10:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:10:14 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <9220d4a72023e5a19de1d5ca91848e4f@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From jwildebo at redhat.com Tue Dec 22 11:30:33 2009 From: jwildebo at redhat.com (Jan H Wildeboer) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:33 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Jan Wildeboer Message-ID: <4B30ADD9.60103@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, here we go: * Full legal name: Jan Wildeboer * City, Country: Munich, Germany, Earth * Profession or Student: Red Hat's EMEA Evangelist * Company: Red Hat * Your goals in the Fedora Project - Spread the word - Defend, articulate, explain the philosophy and ultimate goals of Fedora * What do you want to talk about? - The impact of "open" on society, corporate world, philosophy, science, education and the world. - What Open means in several contexts you might not expect it - monetary system, democracy, transnational movements * What would you like to see in Fedora? - A more general visibility outisde the world of Linux and stuff. Fedora is a lot more. Our community can deliver so much more. * Anything else you'd like to do? - Meet people. Everywhere in EMEA. * Historical qualifications - At FFII I was one of the core group members that organised the opposition against SW-PAT in EMEA - I was also core developer of OSCommerce - I am quite known in the world of politics in europe as a lobbyist for Open * What other projects or marketing effors have you worked on in the past? (List what you think is relevant) - See above ;-) * What level and type of marketing skills do you have? - Good speaker - Deep technical knowledge - Known for sarcasm, irony and respectful bashing ;-) * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? - The red Fedora looks good on me ;-) Jan - -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkswrdQACgkQpy9cOTrDyKvt8gCeMHH3HNL6rMa+C0kKFP01dpZ3 wKIAoISgNnxXFJ7LdbUxA1oQaTODsawG =xLbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 22 19:02:49 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:02:49 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Jan Wildeboer In-Reply-To: <4B30ADD9.60103@redhat.com> References: <4B30ADD9.60103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B3117D9.9080901@redhat.com> > * Full legal name: Jan Wildeboer Welcome, Jan! It's good to have you here. > * What do you want to talk about? > - The impact of "open" on society, corporate world, philosophy, > science, education and the world. > - What Open means in several contexts you might not expect it - > monetary system, democracy, transnational movements Jan got on Planet Fedora last night, so we'll be hearing lots more from him on this. > * What would you like to see in Fedora? > - A more general visibility outside the world of Linux and stuff. > Fedora is a lot more. Our community can deliver so much more. ...and I'm also hoping to hear more about this. ;) > * What level and type of marketing skills do you have? > - Good speaker > - Deep technical knowledge > - Known for sarcasm, irony and respectful bashing ;-) > * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? > - The red Fedora looks good on me ;-) In tattoo form, too! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 22 20:51:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-12-22 Message-ID: <4B313145.1060002@redhat.com> Posted to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009 - minutes at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-22/fedora-meeting.2009-12-22-19.59.html, full logs at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-22/fedora-meeting.2009-12-22-19.59.log.html. WE HAVE NO MEETING NEXT WEEK. I repeat: WE HAVE NO MEETING NEXT WEEK. Go on vacation, hang out with family and friends, eat some good food, get some sleep. ;-) Chill out, enjoy the holidays, and we'll see each other in 2010! ---- 1. roll call (mchua, 20:00:01) 2. agenda (mchua, 20:03:18) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:03:22) 3. Limesurvey (mchua, 20:05:13) 4. fedora-tour (mchua, 20:07:54) 1. http://glasgowtransport.co.uk/GGPTE_UG_TICKETS2.jpg (franciscod, 20:13:50) 5. back to limesurvey/marketing research (mchua, 20:18:18) 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817 (PhrkOnLsh, 20:19:25) 6. Fedora Insight (mchua, 20:23:26) 1. Sparks is getting a weekly meeting set up as we near the end-stretch. (mchua, 20:23:40) 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000310.html (mchua, 20:23:43) 3. Websites will be taking over maintenance of the back-end once we launch. (mchua, 20:23:46) 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000313.html (mchua, 20:23:50) 5. The big area we need help in is closing Design/Websites/CSS/Javascript tickets. (mchua, 20:23:57) 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design (mchua, 20:24:00) 7. ACTION: get pcalarco and dbewley to teach a "using zikula's pagemaster workflow" Classroom at some point (mchua, 20:25:24) 8. ACTION: mchua to do Fedora Insight weekly update on lists/blog re: workflow (mchua, 20:26:49) 7. Marketing FAD 2010 (mchua, 20:29:03) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 (mchua, 20:29:07) 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda (mchua, 20:31:31) 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump (mchua, 20:31:54) 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm (mchua, 20:32:05) 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook (mchua, 20:33:23) 6. for reference, the FAD will almost certainly be in the middle of march (mchua, 20:33:41) 7. ACTION: combine braindump, brainstorm pages, pull from both for the FAD agenda (mchua, 20:34:34) 8. ACTION: mchua crunch the numbers for FADness and see where we can go and what we can do (mchua, 20:34:50) 8. open floor (mchua, 20:41:08) 1. AGREED: Next week is VACATION TIME! No meeting! Resuming January 5th. (mchua, 20:46:16) 2. ACTION: mchua announce NO MEETING NEXT WEEK!!! to list (mchua, 20:46:30) Meeting ended at 20:47:54 UTC (full logs). Action items 1. get pcalarco and dbewley to teach a "using zikula's pagemaster workflow" Classroom at some point 2. mchua to do Fedora Insight weekly update on lists/blog re: workflow 3. combine braindump, brainstorm pages, pull from both for the FAD agenda 4. mchua crunch the numbers for FADness and see where we can go and what we can do 5. mchua announce NO MEETING NEXT WEEK!!! to list From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 02:28:50 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:28:50 +0800 (HKT) Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > Even easier startup: interview chain. You interview someone, they > become the next interviewer and have to interview someone else, and so > on down the line. (Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up > for making a podcast, so that's something to check.) > > This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and > keeps coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs > someone to step up and do the first interview. ;) Here is my idea for the interview chain. Feel free to adapt, change, throw out, or do with as you please. :) GUIDING PRINCIPLE: There are a huge number of people in our community, and most contributors probably only really work with a handful of people each day. While they may recognize many names, how much do contributors really know about what others are doing? Does someone who writes for the Docs Team have any idea what it's like to maintain package $FOO? Does someone who participates in Fedora Test Days every now and then have any idea of what it takes to produce the Installation Guide every release? How much does an Ambassador in Germany know about what Ambassadors in Venezuela are doing? GOAL: Our goal is to give two Fedora contributors who might *never otherwise interact* a reason to have a conversation, and to share the most interesting parts of that conversation with the rest of the Fedora community. Rule #1 -- Don't interview someone you have ever met face to face. Rule #2 -- Don't interview someone who lives in the same country that you live in. Suggestion #1 -- Try to use Fedora Talk, and record the conversation. You can edit it a little bit with Audacity, or just post the raw audio. It becomes a podcast in which Contributor #1 interviews Contributor #2 and has a conversation in which the entire community gets to know about Contributor #2. (There is a wiki page that gives some instructions about this, but I can't look it up because I'm writing this email on an airplane.) Suggestion #2 -- If audio recording doesn't work, conduct the conversation over IRC, so that it is more interactive than simply sending a bunch of questions from one person to another over email. Rule #3 -- Within 2 weeks of the interview, Contributor #1 (the interviewer) posts whatever form your interview/conversation takes to Planet Fedora, and perhaps to a wiki page that can track all of this. We already have an Interviews page on the wiki that we could grow and expand. Rule #4 -- Within 2 weeks of the interview, Contributor #2 (the person who was interviewed) starts off a new interview in the chain. I can see the value in having multiple chains, but I can also see the value in only having one chain, making it a Big Deal, and thus having a friendly dose of peer pressure on folks to not be the one to break the chain. --Max From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 05:00:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:00:26 -0500 Subject: How the Marketing F13 schedule works Message-ID: <4B31A3EA.7040401@redhat.com> Tackled this after the meeting to answer Robyn's questions about the F13 schedule, which I'll also address directly inline on that thread in a moment. Braindump hopefully worth reading (but which will make it out to a more coherent blog post shortly, so don't worry about catching it now if you're busy) is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-22/fedora-mktg.2009-12-22-20.49.html, also available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Meeting summary --------------- * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html (mchua, 20:50:22) * How the F13 marketing schedule works (mchua, 20:57:23) * Alpha (pre-March-2nd): focus on infrastructure (mchua, 20:59:02) * example: F12 retrospective, F13 schedule, FAD planning, join process, SOPs, software tools (limesurvey, zikula, fedora-tour) (mchua, 21:01:15) * Beta (March 3rd - April 6th): focus on deliverables (mchua, 21:09:01) * talking points, slogan, feature profiles, one-page release notes, screenshots library, briefing Ambassadors (mchua, 21:09:18) * other activities: FAD happens during this time, marketing research ongoing, Fedora Insight publishing materials, Desktop team liasons, gear up for PR (press release, press conference) if we have bandwidth. (mchua, 21:10:18) * GA (April 7th - May 11th): focus on PR, center-of-excellence for increasing contributions (mchua, 21:33:38) * examples: interfacing with press, press conference, helping other teams make their marketing deliverables, partnering with Classroom to make on-boarding training opportunities for other teams, Join process consulting, getting-started marketing via Insight for other teams, etc (mchua, 21:34:22) * F13 schedule questions (mchua, 21:35:20) * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html (mchua, 21:35:54) * ACTION: tasks 13 and 15 refer to a deprecated deliverable we don't do any more (one-page release notes have replaced the tour) and should be deleted. (mchua, 21:43:23) * ACTION: add a "brief ambassadors" item for 3/30-4/6 (mchua, 21:44:13) * ACTION: when updating SOPs, note on Tours page that Tours has been replaced by one-page release notes (mchua, 21:46:25) From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 05:02:36 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:02:36 -0500 Subject: F13 Schedule - question! In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90912210001q777c963dwa9e20f37b41f9528@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90912210001q777c963dwa9e20f37b41f9528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B31A46C.3060208@redhat.com> On 12/21/2009 03:01 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > On poelcat's F13 draft schedule (see: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html), > tasks 13 and 15 are to update / freeze the Fedora tour page. Since > we're doing the one-page release notes in lieu of the Fedora tour > page, should we remove those tasks from the schedule (I'm assuming > so...)? Yes. > Should the one-page release notes draft / completion dates be > rearranged to be more in line with when the Fedora tour pages were > done, or are we comfortable with those dates and how they fall into > the grander scheme of things? The completion dates for the one-page/tour as we have them right now are good, but this was a good sanity check to run. > Also - shall we put a note on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours > reflecting that we now do one-pg release notes instead of Tours, so > that anyone looking for a Tour isn't wondering why the heck we didn't > have one for F12 (or F13, and so forth)? Yes! We should do this when we revise the SOPs. Thanks for bringing this up, Robyn - I think we're shaping up to have a really solid F13 schedule. Now all we have to do is clean up Trac. :) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 05:12:10 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:12:10 -0500 Subject: Updates to the F13 Marketing schedule Message-ID: <4B31A6AA.8010805@redhat.com> Hi, John! Can you (at some point - not terribly vital and can wait until after the holidays) make these changes to the Marketing schedule (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html)? 1. Delete tasks 13 and 15, which refer to a deliverable (the tour) we've deprecated in favor of the one-page release notes (which serve the same intended purpose). 2. Add a task called "Brief Ambassadors on upcoming release" to start on 3/30 and end on 4/6. I think this should pretty much take care of the "we must do them!" task list for Marketing for F13 - there's a much longer log detailing more plans for the release cycle at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-22/fedora-mktg.2009-12-22-20.49.html, but they're more in the area of "areas of opportunity we want to keep an eye on at these points in time," so I think we'd rather keep the Marketing schedule relatively sparse for the time being. Once we finish the SOPs for each deliverable, and pick the talking points and feature profiles, we might want to add more detail for the middle month (between Alpha release and Beta release), but this is what we have for now. Thanks, --Mel From robert at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 23 12:53:01 2009 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:53:01 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Jan Wildeboer In-Reply-To: <4B30ADD9.60103@redhat.com> References: <4B30ADD9.60103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091223125301.GA22955@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Jan, On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Jan H Wildeboer wrote: > * Company: Red Hat > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > - Spread the word > - Defend, articulate, explain the philosophy and ultimate goals of > Fedora nice to see you hopefully more active at Fedora in the future :) Personally, I'm a bit wondering...you're a Linux evangelist for ages now, aren't you? Six years after the Fedora Project started, you're showing more active up here?! Don't get me wrong, I'm just curious about the reasons to wait so long before getting more deeper involved into Fedora. 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(Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up for making a >> podcast, so that's something to check.) >> >> This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and keeps >> coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs someone to step >> up and do the first interview. ;) >> > > Here is my idea for the interview chain. Feel free to adapt, change, throw > out, or do with as you please. :) > > GUIDING PRINCIPLE: There are a huge number of people in our community, and > most contributors probably only really work with a handful of people each > day. While they may recognize many names, how much do contributors really > know about what others are doing? Does someone who writes for the Docs Team > have any idea what it's like to maintain package $FOO? Does someone who > participates in Fedora Test Days every now and then have any idea of what it > takes to produce the Installation Guide every release? How much does an > Ambassador in Germany know about what Ambassadors in Venezuela are doing? > > This will be a great complement to the User Research Plan, so we could know the both sides of the coin. What's happening with projects and what's up to ambassadors https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan > GOAL: Our goal is to give two Fedora contributors who might *never > otherwise interact* a reason to have a conversation, and to share the most > interesting parts of that conversation with the rest of the Fedora > community. > > Rule #1 -- Don't interview someone you have ever met face to face. > > ...or someone you talk with everyday. > Rule #2 -- Don't interview someone who lives in the same country that you > live in. > question: should all interviews be made in english? might be the easy way to understand us all. Also we could use some translation after the interviews so everyone can reach the content. > > Suggestion #1 -- Try to use Fedora Talk, and record the conversation. You > can edit it a little bit with Audacity, or just post the raw audio. It > becomes a podcast in which Contributor #1 interviews Contributor #2 and has > a conversation in which the entire community gets to know about Contributor > #2. (There is a wiki page that gives some instructions about this, but I > can't look it up because I'm writing this email on an airplane.) > Also we could use some video interview: a.- contributor#1 send questions over mail to contributor#2 and this one records a video with their answers b.- contributor#1 send a video with the questions to contributor#2 and this one records a video with their answers. then *someone* joins the both videos with a cute splash :D maybe is a good idea also, not to only "meet the ambassadors voice" but also "meet ambassadors". if they don't fee confortable with english videos we could use also subtitles. > > Suggestion #2 -- If audio recording doesn't work, conduct the conversation > over IRC, so that it is more interactive than simply sending a bunch of > questions from one person to another over email. > > Rule #3 -- Within 2 weeks of the interview, Contributor #1 (the > interviewer) posts whatever form your interview/conversation takes to Planet > Fedora, and perhaps to a wiki page that can track all of this. We already > have an Interviews page on the wiki that we could grow and expand. > I could make this wiki page with the first idea I got from mo of the "meet-fedora" page: http://tatica.org/meet-fedora/ Should/Can I create this wiki page right now?? :D > > Rule #4 -- Within 2 weeks of the interview, Contributor #2 (the person who > was interviewed) starts off a new interview in the chain. > > I can see the value in having multiple chains, but I can also see the value > in only having one chain, making it a Big Deal, and thus having a friendly > dose of peer pressure on folks to not be the one to break the chain. > > I think 2 weeks between interviews is too much. We should put something more like "if the contributor#2 doesn't continue the chain in 2 weeks, a contributor#3 will do it (or something like that)" to prevent the chain of interviews stop > --Max > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 23 13:33:03 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:33:03 +0200 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0912230515n7a326044k2ec3cfbd02275574@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912230515n7a326044k2ec3cfbd02275574@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B321C0F.7000805@nicubunu.ro> On 12/23/2009 03:15 PM, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > 2009/12/22 Max Spevack > Suggestion #1 -- Try to use Fedora Talk, and record the > conversation. You can edit it a little bit with Audacity, or just > post the raw audio. It becomes a podcast in which Contributor #1 > interviews Contributor #2 and has a conversation in which the entire > community gets to know about Contributor #2. (There is a wiki page > that gives some instructions about this, but I can't look it up > because I'm writing this email on an airplane.) > > > Also we could use some video interview: > a.- contributor#1 send questions over mail to contributor#2 and this one > records a video with their answers > b.- contributor#1 send a video with the questions to contributor#2 and > this one records a video with their answers. then *someone* joins the > both videos with a cute splash :D Dumb question: is there any way to dump in a file a video chat held over Jabber?[*] (actually, two files, one for each person, then mixing is not very hard) [*] both Empathy and Pidgin can do video conference in F12 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 20:30:31 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:30:31 -0500 Subject: Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing. Message-ID: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> This is something that's been on my to-do list for a while, and I'll be tinkering it as the day goes by. (Right now, though, I'm taking a break to see if I can borrow the car keys and get to the bike shop to get tools to fix the bikes in the garage.) Some areas where construction has been underway: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_activities I'm hoping the restructuring will help us resolve confusion like https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00181.html in the future - I'm planning on taking this discussion back to that ambassadors-list thread once this pass-through is done. Chitlesh, I know you watch this list as well - if you (or anyone else) has questions, comments, reverts, edits, tomatoes to throw, etc - go for it! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 23 21:36:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:36:30 -0500 Subject: Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing. In-Reply-To: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> References: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B328D5E.4050903@redhat.com> > I'm hoping the restructuring will help us resolve confusion like > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00181.html > in the future - I'm planning on taking this discussion back to that > ambassadors-list thread once this pass-through is done. A bit more explanation on exactly how I'm hoping this works out: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00281.html --Mel PS: Doing this restructuring is also reminding me "wow, we don't have most of these SOPs written. Fix, fix, fix!" But that's already on our to-do list for before Alpha (March), so we're going to be oooookay. (Help with the SOPs welcomed, though? ;) From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 00:23:20 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:23:20 +0100 Subject: Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing. In-Reply-To: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> References: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30912231623w38f8592dt7f8770a2edbe93e4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Chitlesh, I know you watch this list as well - if you (or anyone else) has > questions, comments, reverts, edits, tomatoes to throw, etc - go for it! Hello, Hehehe, I always have something to comment on :) I'll throw my tomatoes when required as I don't like to eat too much tomatoes :D Chitlesh From ry at n.rix.si Thu Dec 24 07:38:06 2009 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:38:06 -0700 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200912240038.16900.ry@n.rix.si> On Tue 22 December 2009 7:28:50 pm Max Spevack wrote: > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > > Even easier startup: interview chain. You interview someone, they > > become the next interviewer and have to interview someone else, and so > > on down the line. (Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up > > for making a podcast, so that's something to check.) > > > > This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and > > keeps coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs > > someone to step up and do the first interview. ;) > > Here is my idea for the interview chain. Feel free to adapt, change, > throw out, or do with as you please. :) [snip] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ContributorPodcast -- How does this look, everyone? Comments? Suggestions? I tried to mash Maria's, Max's and my ideas into this page, feel free to, as Max said, adapt, change, or throw it out ;) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From shakthimaan at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 07:56:03 2009 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:26:03 +0530 Subject: Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing. In-Reply-To: <50baabb30912231623w38f8592dt7f8770a2edbe93e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B327DE7.7030509@redhat.com> <50baabb30912231623w38f8592dt7f8770a2edbe93e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | I'll throw my | tomatoes when required as I don't like to eat too much tomatoes :D \-- You should not throw what you don't like. You should always throw what others' don't like :) Coming back to the OP, if a Spin has something new in the release worth mentioning, it doesn't hurt to add it to the talking points. This could also be addressed from the perspective of SIGs as well, if they have something new to add to. Prospective contributors to Fedora sub-projects will find these useful, after all, we were all once users when we began. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From mel at redhat.com Thu Dec 24 20:33:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:33:28 -0500 Subject: "What's Marketing Doing For F13 Anyway?" Message-ID: <4B33D018.8070809@redhat.com> The various conversations we've been having on-list and in-channel have finally pushed me over my "I probably should write something about this" tipping point. So, based on http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-22/fedora-mktg.2009-12-22-20.49.html, we have... http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/24/whats-marketing-doing-for-f13-anyway-a-show-with-dancing-penguins/ All right, folks. Criticize away! --Mel From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 24 21:59:29 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:29:29 -0430 Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <200912240038.16900.ry@n.rix.si> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> <200912240038.16900.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <27a6293b0912241359h68667898y737fd04dd1e5f75b@mail.gmail.com> Awesome!!! I already add myself to the list, now... when/who will start? :D 2009/12/24 Ryan Rix > On Tue 22 December 2009 7:28:50 pm Max Spevack wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > > > Even easier startup: interview chain. You interview someone, they > > > become the next interviewer and have to interview someone else, and so > > > on down the line. (Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up > > > for making a podcast, so that's something to check.) > > > > > > This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and > > > keeps coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs > > > someone to step up and do the first interview. ;) > > > > Here is my idea for the interview chain. Feel free to adapt, change, > > throw out, or do with as you please. :) > [snip] > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ContributorPodcast -- How does this look, > everyone? Comments? Suggestions? I tried to mash Maria's, Max's and my > ideas > into this page, feel free to, as Max said, adapt, change, or throw it out > ;) > > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > countless other FOSS channels. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mel at redhat.com Mon Dec 28 09:36:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:36:28 -0500 Subject: Reminder: NO MEETING this week Message-ID: <4B387C1C.1010104@redhat.com> It's the holidays - go enjoy them. :) We'll see everyone next Tuesday, though! --Mel From ry at n.rix.si Mon Dec 28 10:24:51 2009 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:24:51 -0700 Subject: FAD and some other stuff Message-ID: <200912280324.55838.ry@n.rix.si> Hi, Attached is a ODS of plane fare for the Marketing FAD compiled from me lazily searchingk kayak... They are only rough estimates and will probably get more expensive as time goes on... looks like the cheapest place for us to meet is DC, followed by Boston. Personally, I'm leaning towards Boston or Raleigh (which is third) if only because of the Red hat offices there... Mel Robyn and I talked a while last night (this morning? who knows, I don't...) and came up with some ideas for what we could be doing at the FAD... Some of it relies on there being a contingent of engineers on hand either in person or remotely, so the RH offices would probably be a pretty cool place. Here's the zodbot log... I'll post more details when I'm conscious tomorrow, I think. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-28/fedora- mktg.2009-12-28-08.50.log.html Sorry for being so terse, clock downstairs just struck 3:30am ;) Yours from under a warm blanket... 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Cross) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:35:44 -0600 Subject: Self-Introduction: Neville Cross Message-ID: * Full legal name Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice. * City, Country Managua, Nicaragua * Profession or Student status Business Degree (from Nicaragua) plus MSc. in Organisational Change and Development (from UK) * Company, School, or other affiliation Hotel Mansion Teodolinda (day work/family business) http://teodolinda.com.ni Central American University (part time lecturer on business and tourism) http://uca.edu.ni * Your goals in the Fedora Project - Have fun! I have some boring thing to do as day job. An atmosphere filled with opportunities and challenges stimulates my brain. - Learn. Since I started using GNU/Linux and free software I learned a lot every single day. I need new things to keep up the learning process. - Give back. I have been given a lot in this community and I think is fair to return. - Find my niche. As I am not a technical person I still struggle a bit to fin my place within the community. I am already helping in Ambassadors and Freemedia. - Build a strong community in Central American countries (Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama). Perhaps run a "mini" FUDCon or FAD * What do you want to talk about? - Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say to every one that Fedora has those tools. * What would you like to see in Fedora? - more stuff with fedora logo, like coffee mugs, disk-wallets ... probably I am dreaming but I think that using our logo shows our pride and convince people to use fedora, or at least give it a try. -more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute. * Anything else you'd like to do? - Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can increase world wide media hits. - Help improve fedora distribution program. * Historical qualifications I have ran the family business for some years (2001-2005), among other task I have to decide about marketing, advertisement, promotions and sales. Now I have give sapce to my sister to lead, but still involved in marketing efforts. * What other projects or marketing efforts have you worked on in the past? (List what you think is relevant) - When the University launched the Tourism degree, I was hired as consultant. Among a lot of designing teaching programs I had to represent the faculty and tour high schools promoting this class program. - I have been working with local user groups, we have earned the distinction of best Software Freedom Day event world wide two years in a row. We were expecting get the third but event competition was delayed and not awarded. - I have been running a promotional web site listing night events for my city: http://clickmanagua.com - I maintain the local fedora page (yes, another fedora page!) http://fedora.org.ni * What level and type of marketing skills do you have? - I can write (I do it better in Spanish!), I can teach, I like to think in roles and try to be on some one else's shoes to see if the concepts proposed are compelling. I can structure objectives, goals and monitor performance. I have been working conceptualizing web sites and worked as consultant for a system usability assessment. * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? - I have a amateur radio licence, I am following fedora amateur radio SIG. As I am a Fedora Ambassador, I already created my FAS account and signed the CLA agreement. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 11:21:05 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:05 +0530 Subject: Food for thought. Should we rethink out join page? Message-ID: [x-post - apologies] Do we need to rethink? http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/?utm_source=gsnippet&utm_content=mofo1&utm_campaign=s100509 -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit =============================================