From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 09:30:28 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:30:28 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? Message-ID: Hi, It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And something, that we need to fix. 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion they explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that will work for GNOME and KDE both. 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people can use DVD to install softwares. 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am wrong anywhere. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 10:05:26 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:05:26 -0800 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498573E6.6050201@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel a ?crit : | <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } A:link { so-language: zxx } --> | | | 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion they explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that will work for GNOME and KDE both. | Because of legal issue as you stated, Fedora cannot install RPM Fusion with default installation. User can do it with Installer. I haven't tried KPackageKit so I presume it is a bug for that application should it not be able to install that repository. | 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI /Hardware Drivers /options that automatically download and install the driver, also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) | Because of Fedora nature of being free and open source, that option is not acceptable. RPMFusion already provides those drivers meaning having extra GUI for that purpose is pointless. DeviceKit might provide an alternative. | | 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GStreamer_dependencies_in_RPM Fedora Project will never have repository for those closed source or patented codecs on which RPM Fusion is taking care. | 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. | Already provided by packagekit via Add/Remove Software and editing source. | | | 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. | Then it is a bug issue for Fedora 9 which does not apply to Fedora 10. | 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people can use DVD to install softwares. | I think it is already available as Fedora repository. | | | 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. | How about simply use yum-downloader command and enable deltarpm? | | Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am wrong anywhere. | I pointed out having extra gui for each drivers, codecs are redundant and overkill. Fedora 10 has solved most of issues you mentioned and it is worth to read documentation about features[1]. Ref: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmFc+MACgkQa10Jb0NOz+FKdQCfch9gZ3BkugtiJktyNEb1RSNf c70An1HMikn6tv5EHBB0vDHaUegpHGeI =ISU9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 10:06:52 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:06:52 +0000 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985743C.2000708@fedoraproject.org> Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > Hi, > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 Omega would cover that check announce list, based on F10. iirc default installation (but > not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include > proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some > legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install > RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion > they explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, > it doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many > people there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give > me CLI solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a > solution that will work for GNOME and KDE both. No problems here with Gnome. (EU citizen) Ask rpmfusion about kde bit. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI /Hardware > Drivers /options that automatically download and install the driver, > also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > google autoten from dangermouse > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia > codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from > package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) refer to above points, packagekit can handle media-codecs if rpmfusion enabled, allegedly. > > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache > (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. You would need a local repo 40+ gb to do that, which no other distro does either, by default. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one > single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s > possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI > double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution > of it. Can't you expand on this, I don't full understand the point? > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so > people can use DVD to install softwares. That could be workable in "sofware sources" open to correction. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. Don't agree, as updates are frequent, and you already have the dvd from above. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, > we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many > of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we > can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, > if I am wrong anywhere. > Because they believe (debatable) in the concept of freedom, but won't\don't work towards it's advancement. Frank From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 12:33:44 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:33:44 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <498573E6.6050201@fedoraproject.org> References: <498573E6.6050201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2009/2/1 Luya Tshimbalanga > > | > Because of legal issue as you stated, Fedora cannot install RPM Fusion with > default installation. User can do it with Installer. I haven't tried > KPackageKit so I presume it is a bug for that application should it not be > able to install that repository. > Then we should fix the bug. > > | > Because of Fedora nature of being free and open source, that option is not > acceptable. RPMFusion already provides those drivers meaning having extra > GUI for that purpose is pointless. DeviceKit might provide an alternative. > What I meant is to install the driver via RPM Fusion ofcourse. All we need just a GUI solution. Like you said DeviceKit. > > | > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GStreamer_dependencies_in_RPM > Fedora Project will never have repository for those closed source or > patented codecs on which RPM Fusion is taking care. > I think, you didn?t get my point. I know, this legal issues. All I want to say, we have to find a easiest way to install all kind of codecs at once, that anyone can do it, instead of using codes. > > Already provided by packagekit via Add/Remove Software and editing source. > Yes, but not the DVD media as source. I can edit source to add DVD as software media, you also can, but other people, who will use Fedora for the first time, they will not know. > > | > Then it is a bug issue for Fedora 9 which does not apply to Fedora 10. > Just I have tried to install amarok from a rpm by double clicking, what I have got ?Local Install Failed : Can't install /home/angel/Desktop/amarok-2.0-2.fc10.i386.rpm?. Is it a bug? > > | 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people > can use DVD to install softwares. > | > I think it is already available as Fedora repository. > No, it?s not. Go to Administrator>Software Sources. You will not get any options for DVD as software source. > > | > | > | 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. > | > How about simply use yum-downloader command and enable deltarpm? > Yes, delta rpm is coming soon. I am very happy for it. > I pointed out having extra gui for each drivers, codecs are redundant and > overkill. Fedora 10 has solved most of issues you mentioned and it is worth > to read documentation about features[1]. > I read the feature lists several time. Read my reply. Give me solution. I give this solution to other people, they are waiting for it. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 13:01:47 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:01:47 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <4985743C.2000708@fedoraproject.org> References: <4985743C.2000708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: 1 > > Omega would cover that check announce list, based on F10. iirc > I know about Omega. I also made many Fedora Remixes, lately. But all this are Remix or Omega. But not the official Fedora. I don?t want to start promoting Omega instead of Fedora. > > > No problems here with Gnome. (EU citizen) > Ask rpmfusion about kde bit. > I asked. They told me to ask KDE. > > google autoten from dangermouse This can?t be a permanent solution, we don?t know yet, for next release we?ll get autoten or not. RPM fusion is officially acceptable from Fedora as 3rd party repo, but autoten is not yet. And moreover there has not any ATI driver there. > refer to above points, packagekit can handle media-codecs > if rpmfusion enabled, allegedly. For a new user, it?s very difficult to find out each codecs and install. Why they will go to trouble as they has easiest way to do this in Ubuntu? So why they will use Fedora? > > You would need a local repo 40+ gb to do that, which no other distro > does either, by default. I replied it on my previous reply. > > > Can't you expand on this, I don't full understand the point? I have a rpm of amarok, this package has not any dependency isuues. It can be install stand alone. Now give me a solution, how can I install this rpm without touching terminal? > > That could be workable in "sofware sources" open to correction. I replied it on my previous reply. > Don't agree, as updates are frequent, and you already have the dvd from > above. > This is a big problem of us, where we use a slow internet connection. > > > Because they believe (debatable) in the concept of freedom, > but won't\don't work towards it's advancement. So do you I think, I dont believe in the concept of freedom? I use Fedora. I love Fedora. I care about it. I also want to see other people to use Fedora. That?s why we need a simple solution of this. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <635d8d560902010526g531bbd09qbb2c4ebfecda8f5c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > Hi, > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > something, that we need to fix. You'd probably be far better off discussing this on fedora-devel-list at redhat.com Jon From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 13:31:22 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:31:22 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560902010526g531bbd09qbb2c4ebfecda8f5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560902010526g531bbd09qbb2c4ebfecda8f5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Ok. I am forwarding it there. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > > Hi, > > > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds > of > > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are > happy > > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, > it?s > > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > > something, that we need to fix. > > You'd probably be far better off discussing this on > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 13:35:53 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:35:53 +0000 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <4985743C.2000708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4985A539.8080705@fedoraproject.org> Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > Hi, > Please try to understand me. The solution you are giving me, each of > this are very complex, atleast complex for newbie Linux users. I am a newbie to Linux, and find Fedora easier that Ubuntu\Debain. If you > really want to see a huge people to use Fedora, Numbers of users, are not as important as developers and inroads, into non-free oss. and even proprietary. If you think these people can help Fedora, ask them to contact the various codec\sw deveopers, and ask them to release under GPL. That is what Fedora is about, not a numbers game. As an Ambassador push the positive If new-users, don't want to join under the aims\goals of the project. There is other distros, Microsft Products, and Apple to choose from. Frank From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 13:42:33 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:42:33 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <4985A539.8080705@fedoraproject.org> References: <4985743C.2000708@fedoraproject.org> <4985A539.8080705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Frank, very truth. But fact is this not just a numbers of users. This amount is huge. That?s why today I opened this thread. And as a FOSS contributor I cant say them to use MS or Apple product. And they way you are talking. Like, ?That is what Fedora is about, not a numbers game. As an Ambassador push the positive If new-users, don't want to join under the aims\goals of the project. There is other distros, Microsft Products, and Apple to choose from? This way we can?t promote Fedora. We will lose more users. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > > Hi, > > Please try to understand me. The solution you are giving me, each of > > this are very complex, atleast complex for newbie Linux users. > > I am a newbie to Linux, and find Fedora easier that Ubuntu\Debain. > > If you > > really want to see a huge people to use Fedora, > > Numbers of users, are not as important as developers > and inroads, into non-free oss. and even proprietary. > > If you think these people can help Fedora, > ask them to contact the various codec\sw deveopers, > and ask them to release under GPL. > > That is what Fedora is about, not a numbers game. > As an Ambassador push the positive > If new-users, don't want to join under the aims\goals of the project. > There is other distros, Microsft Products, and Apple to choose from. > > > > Frank > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 13:53:41 2009 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:53:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985A965.5080505@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mohaas05 at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 15:18:01 2009 From: mohaas05 at gmail.com (Kanin Horvath) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:18:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. That's ubuntu's job. Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some of your points but I don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to provide an independent solution to users. -- Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > Hi, > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one ye > ar, I met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited > hundreds of forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses F > edora (also who doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. > Some of them are happy using Fedora and some them are not. And I thi > nk, as a community member, it?s my responsibility to inform you guys > about some issues that I think, why people doesnt like to use Fedor > a or switching to other distros. And something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation > (but not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t i > nclude proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be becaus > e of some legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solutio > n to install RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion they explained a GU > I solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it doesnt work > at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people there > has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI so > lution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution th > at will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI > Hardware Drivers options that automatically download and install the > driver, also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia > codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it > from package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including > JAVA) > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from > cache (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one > single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s > possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, > GUI double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI > solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so > people can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. > So people can use the cache to install software later or to some > other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, n > o, we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. An > d many of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If thi > s issues we can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedor > a. My apologies, if I am wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 15:41:48 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: According to Fedora Devel List, I have got some hope about this issues I have explained. May be soon we will get all the solutions. If not in this release (Fedora 11), then may be in Fedora 12. Thanks. 2009/2/1 Kanin Horvath > The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. > That's ubuntu's job. Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some > of your points but I don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. > > Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to > provide an independent solution to users. > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 > > > On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel > wrote: > > Hi, > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not > activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include > proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal > issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. > According to RPM Fusion they > explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it > doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people > there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI > solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that > will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware > Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also > they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs > (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package > manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) > > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache > (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single > package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to > install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm > install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people > can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we > are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you > will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, > for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am > wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmaxwell at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 15:58:13 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:58:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs > (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package > manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) Fedora has codec-buddy? which can help users legally obtain codecs while informing them of the issues. I don't think helping users break the law is a feature in ubuntu? it's a bug. From danishka at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 16:09:23 2009 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:39:23 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/1 Kanin Horvath > The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. > > That's ubuntu's job. > Whats wrong with "super easy" Operating System if it include all security capabilities? To whom you are developing this? Is this for geeks? or for every one (including new users)? > > > Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some of your points but I > don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. > > Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to > provide an independent solution to users. > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 > > > On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel > wrote: > > Hi, > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not > activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include > proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal > issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. > According to RPM Fusion they > explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it > doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people > there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI > solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that > will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware > Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also > they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs > (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package > manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) > > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache > (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single > package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to > install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm > install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people > can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we > are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you > will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, > for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am > wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephsmidt at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 17:22:42 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:22:42 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is that their OS "Just Works". What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will love it. Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, as long as it just works and gives equal performance. Joseph Smidt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 17:28:01 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:28:01 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Exactly, what I wanted to say. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Joseph Smidt wrote: > I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is > that their OS "Just Works". > > What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of > these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will > love it. > > Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, > as long as it just works and gives equal performance. > > Joseph Smidt > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joseph Smidt > > Physics and Astronomy > 4129 Frederick Reines Hall > Irvine, CA 92697-4575 > Office: 949-824-3269 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 18:44:43 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:44:43 +0000 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985ED9B.5080200@fedoraproject.org> Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Fedora has codec-buddy? which can help users legally obtain codecs > while informing them of the issues. Codec-Buddy? I think PackageKit\Gstreamer has replaced this functionality. Frank From angel at linux.org.bd Mon Feb 2 02:40:01 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:40:01 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I didn?t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this issues. So more people will start using Fedora. I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? Nop. Ubuntu is also free. They also don?t include close source software, but it?s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there is some other reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they should use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I?ll say, users doesn?t care about those reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS. Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try Fedora, not a new user). At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any reasons to arguing with you. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Mon Feb 2 05:45:53 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:15:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <954599.58029.qm@web95104.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/2/09, Joseph Smidt wrote: From: Joseph Smidt Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Cc: "Fedora Infrastructure List" , "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Date: Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 5:22 PM I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is that their OS "Just Works". What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will love it. Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, as long as it just works and gives equal performance. Joseph Smidt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Agree with you. The other day I was chatting with a friend & I asked him the reason why not give Open Source a try? Then he started telling that, it needs a lot of tweaking & he doesn't wants that headache. He wants everything to work out of box. He also said it doesn't matter which OS I use but it should be able to complete his work as soon as possible. So the bottom line is People don't care much, they just want it fast like as in Fast-Food. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 06:31:51 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:31:51 -0800 Subject: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <498573E6.6050201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49869357.8080600@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel a ?crit :| | | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GStreamer_dependencies_in_RPM | Fedora Project will never have repository for those closed source or patented codecs on which RPM Fusion is taking care. | | | I think, you didn?t get my point. I know, this legal issues. All I want to say, we have to find a easiest way to install all kind of codecs at once, that anyone can do it, instead of using codes. | Which can be done through RPM Fusion repository. | | | Already provided by packagekit via Add/Remove Software and editing source. | | | Yes, but not the DVD media as source. I can edit source to add DVD as software media, you also can, but other people, who will use Fedora for the first time, they will not know. Then it is helpful to explain those users they can directly update through installation. The ability to install packages from DVD was possible so it is better to submit a bug report on that concern. | | | | Then it is a bug issue for Fedora 9 which does not apply to Fedora 10. | | | Just I have tried to install amarok from a rpm by double clicking, what I have got ?Local Install Failed : Can't install /home/angel/Desktop/amarok-2.0-2.fc10.i386.rpm?. Is it a bug? Which desktop environment do you use? I have not encountered that problem on Gnome or Enlightenment. | | | | | 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people can use DVD to install softwares. | | | I think it is already available as Fedora repository. | | | No, it?s not. Go to Administrator>Software Sources. You will not get any options for DVD as software source. Then you can request for enhancement. That method was available on Fedora 9. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmGk1UACgkQa10Jb0NOz+FgfQCeJyKhF9U/EvOZPR8N2eoJ/GUd WzwAniLgAjcv6NpF7y9EESvqcvOEdFaG =d3iY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 07:58:19 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:58:19 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> 1st Apologies for cross post. (aaagh, Top-Post) Can we centralise all future-replies be kept to Ambassadors-List. Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I > didn?t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this > issues. So more people will start using Fedora. 1: Not closed-source, but patented. There is a fundamental difference between: O.S.S. and F.O.S.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open_source_software_vs._free_software > > I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is > easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to > Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? > In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily > install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install > nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can > easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install > close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell > me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open > Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? > Nop. Ubuntu is also free. 2: Refer: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00028.html They also don?t include close source software, > but it?s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there is some other > reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they should use > Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I?ll say, users doesn?t care about those > reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS. > 3: refer 1: Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to use, but imho because it's EU based. Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release. Particularly wireless. http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html > Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for > opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to > promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try > Fedora, not a new user). Fedora is for All Users, and like anything. It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in, with a printed list of where to get help. > > At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open > this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love > Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I > want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours > impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. > Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any > reasons to arguing with you. > I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen. I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students. They in many cases have never heard of Linux. But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista. My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S. Frank From angel at linux.org.bd Mon Feb 2 08:50:25 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:50:25 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > Not closed-source, but patented. > There is a fundamental difference between: > O.S.S. and F.O.S.S. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open_source_software_vs._free_software > I apologies for the mistake. I meant patented software here. > > 3: refer 1: > Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to > use, but imho because it's EU based. > Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release. > Particularly wireless. > http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html > > Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that?s why Ubuntu is most popular. > > > Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for > > opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to > > promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try > > Fedora, not a new user). > > Fedora is for All Users, and like anything. > It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in, > with a printed list of where to get help. > Yes. Ofcourse Ambassadors are helping users. But just think, Ubuntu (October 20, 2004) is a new distro then Fedora. But it already passed everyone by in users and also popularity. > > At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open > > this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love > > Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I > > want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours > > impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. > > Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any > > reasons to arguing with you. > > > > I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen. > I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students. > They in many cases have never heard of Linux. > But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista. > My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. > These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S. > My whole family is using Fedora now. Also my many friends. About 15 days ago, I have distributed 100 free Fedora DVD ( http://angel.linux.org.bd/2009/01/22/fedora-infinity-day-2009/) here in Bangladesh. > > I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is > > easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to > > Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? > > In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily > > install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install > > nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can > > easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install > > close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell > > me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open > > Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? > > Nop. Ubuntu is also free. > > 2: > Refer: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00028.html > Fedora = USA Based. (patented Software inforce), this law can stop USA people (also other country who are following USA) to use Ubuntu, you can tell them to use Fedora. But not the whole world. And why you are bothering about patented software? I didnt tell Fedora must need to include patented software. *I just said, we need a easiest solution (i meant a GUI, so anyone can do it). What?s the problem, if developer can get a GUI solution of it?* Why you all are yelling about this? By making it easy we are not encouraging people to use petented software. If you think this is, then listen, you can?t push people to use Fedora. Give this feature, then people will come to try it. But now people are scaring to try it. So which one is better for promoting Fedora? -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonas.karlsson at fxdev.com Mon Feb 2 14:55:58 2009 From: jonas.karlsson at fxdev.com (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:55:58 +0100 Subject: groupware backends in fedora Message-ID: <4987097E.9050901@fxdev.com> Hello, I'm looking at different groupware backends and also searching the fedora repos for groupware backends. What is the future plan to include in Fedora? After searching the web for a while I come across Kolab and when comparing it to other alternatives it really looks like it could be useful, it also integrates with horde that's already present in fedora. Has there been any discussion about starting with Kolab rpm's in the Fedora distribution? On Kolab's website the last entry is for Fedora 6. doing a yum search today on groupware gives nothing //Jonas From rdieter at math.unl.edu Mon Feb 2 16:08:54 2009 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:08:54 -0600 Subject: groupware backends in fedora References: <4987097E.9050901@fxdev.com> Message-ID: Jonas Karlsson wrote: > Has there been any discussion about starting with Kolab rpm's in the > Fedora distribution? On Kolab's website the last entry is for Fedora 6. None that I'm aware, would be very nice to have (but would be a fair amount of work to make happen). -- Rex From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 19:35:39 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:35:39 -0900 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910902021135i7b7beb69qc89cdabb25454c45@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that?s why Ubuntu > is most popular. Fedora is used all over the world! http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f10/f10.i386.png That is a snapshot of of unique ips that requested a mirror list from our MirrorManager system in the last day. Europe is MORE densely populated per km^2 with Fedora installs than is the US Coasts. Fedora is not a US-only userbase. And thanks to our mirrormanager stuff, we can actually visually that. In fact we soon I'll be able to visualize where we are growing the fastest...I have the pieces in place now. If you want the longer view as to Fedora's popularity than you can read this: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3786726/Red+Hat+Fedora+Claims+Its+the+Leader+in+Linux.htm 9.5 million! And we have an actually methodology that backs up the numbers we release to the press! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics I dare you to find anyone who can will go on record as to how Canonical comes up with its Ubuntu install numbers. I DARE YOU. Canonical reps have yet to go on record anywhere with the methodology of how they come up with the numbers they quote to the press. And for the record Canonical has stated the exact same install numbers for 3+ years now. 3+ years with absolutely no estimated growth..that is what Canonical is saying. If you want to trust those numbers, that's your business. But if you are going to talk about it here. I demand that you dig up the methodology as to how they are counting. Because we do everything we can to be transparent about it.... because we care about accuracy and not about hype. -jef From angel at linux.org.bd Mon Feb 2 19:42:39 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:42:39 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910902021135i7b7beb69qc89cdabb25454c45@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910902021135i7b7beb69qc89cdabb25454c45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > > Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that?s why > Ubuntu > > is most popular. > > > Fedora is used all over the world! > > http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f10/f10.i386.png > > That is a snapshot of of unique ips that requested a mirror list from > our MirrorManager system in the last day. > > Europe is MORE densely populated per km^2 with Fedora installs than > is the US Coasts. Fedora is not a US-only userbase. And thanks to our > mirrormanager stuff, we can actually visually that. In fact we soon > I'll be able to visualize where we are growing the fastest...I have > the pieces in place now. > > If you want the longer view as to Fedora's popularity than you can read > this: > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3786726/Red+Hat+Fedora+Claims+Its+the+Leader+in+Linux.htm > > 9.5 million! And we have an actually methodology that backs up the > numbers we release to the press! > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics > > I dare you to find anyone who can will go on record as to how > Canonical comes up with its Ubuntu install numbers. I DARE YOU. > Canonical reps have yet to go on record anywhere with the methodology > of how they come up with the numbers they quote to the press. > > And for the record Canonical has stated the exact same install numbers > for 3+ years now. 3+ years with absolutely no estimated growth..that > is what Canonical is saying. If you want to trust those numbers, > that's your business. But if you are going to talk about it here. I > demand that you dig up the methodology as to how they are counting. > Because we do everything we can to be transparent about it.... because > we care about accuracy and not about hype. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Hi, Thanks. After a long time, I have got some good news from you. And positive. Again thanks. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am an ambassador myself (but only > > recently, I'm new to the community) > > I think we also need a designer, who can design some flyers? > > IIRC, the Fedora Art team has a design queue on the wiki where you can > make requests: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > Probably not a bad idea to drop a line on the fedora-art-list, if > anyone's a subscriber there. Thanks, I put this up: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Summer_coding_collateral I'll see what happens; the process on the page directs to contact the list if it isn't picked up; I might push the timing due to the real world deadlines at work. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At one point he claimed that - "*Gnome seems to be developed by interface Nazis and that its developers believe their users are idiots*". And guess what? Who made the switch to Gnome? Now, Linus thinks KDE 4 sucks and it is a disaster. Here is the Computer World interview: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Software&articleId=9126619. Distrowatch has an interview with Linus this week regarding this issue. Here is the interview: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#feature . -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And guess what? > Who made the switch to Gnome? > > Now, Linus thinks KDE 4 sucks and it is a disaster. > > Here is the Computer World interview: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Software&articleId=9126619. > > Distrowatch has an interview with Linus this week regarding this issue. > Here is the interview: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#feature . > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think desktops, distributions, and websites have all gone up and down with Linus over the last 15 years. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 16:51:35 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:51:35 -0500 Subject: Linus Torvalds Switched Back To Gnome In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090902030825k51484377xe82b62ccb9014dce@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090902030825k51484377xe82b62ccb9014dce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090203165135.GJ4852@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:25:40AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 2009/2/3 Diego Escobar : > > > > Linus Says: > > > > "I realize the reason for the 4.0 release, but I think they did it badly. > > They did so may changes, it was a half-baked release. It may turn out to be > > the right decision in the end, and I will retry KDE, but I suspect I'm not > > the only person they lost." > > > > Is not a secret KDE 4.0 has a lot of bugs. Now is getting the way. Linus > > should take a look to KDE 4.2. > > > > Knowing the fickleness of Linus.. he will do so in about 6 months when > he has gotten the last of the "You should try KDE 4.x" emails. I think > desktops, distributions, and websites have all gone up and down with > Linus over the last 15 years. He doesn't pay a lot of attention to things that high up the software stack. It's whatever gets the job done for him. I wouldn't read too much into the whole GNOME vs. KDE issue as far as Linus is concerned. -- Paul W. 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Who made the switch to Gnome? > > Now, Linus thinks KDE 4 sucks and it is a disaster. > > Here is the Computer World interview: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Software&articleId=9126619 > > . > > Distrowatch has an interview with Linus this week regarding this > issue. Here is the interview: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#feature . > He doesn't care about the desktop he is using anyway. This is just people hungry for a story... Jack From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 3 20:53:23 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:53:23 +0000 Subject: Schedule Message-ID: <635d8d560902031253vc93a6b4oc18c56b12eb3a55f@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Just to give people a heads up that there's now a document on Gobby that is the basis for a marketing schedule, covering the F11 release period. It would be fantastic if people would drop over to it and make changes/updates etc, specifically add what you think is missing! Before Thursday's meeting I intend to start trying to add dates and priorities, but they'll probably be pretty random, so help there would also be appreciated. Pretty sure it's called something like F11 schedule. If you need instructions on accessing Gobby, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 4 21:38:54 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:38:54 +0000 Subject: Draft schedule NOW on the wiki Message-ID: <635d8d560902041338h392bb1b6w637a0f901e65423e@mail.gmail.com> OK, the draft schedule is now up on the wiki accompanied by reasonably detailed task descriptions. Not as complete as the Gobby doc, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense and perhaps people will be more inclined to look at it there. If you want to understand how it reached the current state, check there. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule I encourage everyone to take a look and make amendments and additions (especially where it's obvious I started to get bored), as well as to think about what task they would like to get involved with. I propose that we should discuss this further in tomorrow's meeting, as well as begin assigning task owners as there's a lot of work here! Jon From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 10:05:00 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 02:05:00 -0800 Subject: Fedora Activity Day at SCaLE 7x - getting the word out Message-ID: <20090205100500.GW10000@calliope.phig.org> We're going to be doing a Fedora Activity Day[1] at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) on 20 February, a Friday. 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The focus of > the FAD is on Packaging (font packaging) and Docs (User Guide). > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x > > How can we get the word out to the wider community of folks within > driving/travel distance of that event? > -- Something I'd like to see get done from time to time is for this kind of information to get posted to Fedora Forum, so perhaps Rahul could help us out with that? The audience there is, I guess, a mix between new user and contributor (via helping others in the forum) and so may be ripe with people looking to get more involved. Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 16:37:47 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:37:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? Message-ID: Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on something from Red Hat Legal. What exactly are we blocking on? --Max From david at gnsa.us Thu Feb 5 16:39:01 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:39:01 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on something from > Red Hat Legal. > > What exactly are we blocking on? > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > release forms From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 16:43:58 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:43:58 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 Message-ID: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> Hello All, We will have our regular scheduled meeting today, the 5th of February, 2009. When: 17.00 UTC, 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net What: The agenda is going to be working from the new schedule which was put up on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule. The goal is to try and set deadlines for everything on the schedule and also establish some time-based, recurring, tasks which we can then turn into a boilerplate template schedule which we can then use over for every release. Hopefully, that will give us some more structure and allow us to focus our efforts on other things... Jack From gdk at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 16:52:21 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm, looking here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks I don't see that reflected. Who's got the ball? --g (p.s. I just removed my name from the "Four Foundations" music video. Would be fun, but not high on my priority list right now.) -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on something from >> Red Hat Legal. >> >> What exactly are we blocking on? >> >> --Max >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > release forms > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From david at gnsa.us Thu Feb 5 17:04:04 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:04:04 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > Hmm, looking here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > I don't see that reflected. Who's got the ball? > > --g > > (p.s. I just removed my name from the "Four Foundations" music video. Would > be fun, but not high on my priority list right now.) > > -- > Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! > [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, David Nalley wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>> >>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on something >>> from >>> Red Hat Legal. >>> >>> What exactly are we blocking on? >>> >>> --Max >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> release forms >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Per this message it's spot: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see meeting minutes anywhere. From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 5 18:50:32 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:50:32 +0100 Subject: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 In-Reply-To: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> References: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1233859832.3234.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Raah, I missed it. Could you send the meeting reminders a bit earlier than 15 minutes before the actual meeting? :p On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 11:43 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > We will have our regular scheduled meeting today, the 5th of February, 2009. > > When: 17.00 UTC, 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific > Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net > What: The agenda is going to be working from the new schedule which was > put up on the wiki at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule. The goal > is to try and set deadlines for everything on the schedule and also > establish some time-based, recurring, tasks which we can then turn into > a boilerplate template schedule which we can then use over for every > release. Hopefully, that will give us some more structure and allow us > to focus our efforts on other things... > > Jack > From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 5 18:55:56 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:55:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora news distribution network idea Message-ID: <1233860156.3234.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, As I missed today's meeting, here is one point I wanted to talk about: an effective news distribution method. As discussed in last week's meeting we don't have an effective way to get Fedora related news to the public so here is a proposition: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork Feel free to edit it, comment it and so on...If you find it's a good idea I'll start looking for interested people in the following weeks. The core of the proposition is to find motivated people in the marketing group to generate news in the first place. Have a nice day Steven - moixs From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 18:59:16 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:59:16 -0500 Subject: CORRECTION Re: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 In-Reply-To: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> References: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <498B3704.4010409@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > We will have our regular scheduled meeting today, the 5th of February, > 2009. > > When: 17.00 UTC, 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific > Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net > What: The agenda is going to be working from the new schedule which > was put up on the wiki at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule. The > goal is to try and set deadlines for everything on the schedule and > also establish some time-based, recurring, tasks which we can then > turn into a boilerplate template schedule which we can then use over > for every release. Hopefully, that will give us some more structure > and allow us to focus our efforts on other things... > > Jack > Sorry, Its 19.00 UTC. I messed up the time. Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 20:42:11 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:12:11 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha ships with Windows cross compiler, Gnome 2.26 Message-ID: <498B4F23.70106@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4023 Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Feb 6 07:01:25 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:01:25 +0200 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> David Nalley wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on something >>>> from Red Hat Legal. >>>> >>>> What exactly are we blocking on? > > Per this message it's spot: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html Yes, that is. We have to hunt people and ask for signatures. And as we don't know what to ask for, we have to wait. > Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last > meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see > meeting minutes anywhere. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Fri Feb 6 08:17:20 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:17:20 +0100 Subject: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 In-Reply-To: <1233859832.3234.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> <1233859832.3234.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <498BF210.6020404@gmx.de> Hy, same for me. Maybe the reminder could come in 2 or 3 steps (1x one day before, 1x early the evening of meeting day and 1x 15mins before). If this seems to be to much maybe 2 could be also Ok... best regards Henrik Steven Moix schrieb: > Raah, I missed it. Could you send the meeting reminders a bit earlier > than 15 minutes before the actual meeting? :p > > On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 11:43 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> We will have our regular scheduled meeting today, the 5th of February, 2009. >> >> When: 17.00 UTC, 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific >> Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net >> What: The agenda is going to be working from the new schedule which was >> put up on the wiki at >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule. The goal >> is to try and set deadlines for everything on the schedule and also >> establish some time-based, recurring, tasks which we can then turn into >> a boilerplate template schedule which we can then use over for every >> release. Hopefully, that will give us some more structure and allow us >> to focus our efforts on other things... >> >> Jack >> >> > > From artel19 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 10:58:58 2009 From: artel19 at gmail.com (Archit Patel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:28:58 +0530 Subject: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 In-Reply-To: <498BF210.6020404@gmx.de> References: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> <1233859832.3234.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <498BF210.6020404@gmx.de> Message-ID: <498C17F2.6070501@gmail.com> wonderer wrote: > Hy, > > same for me. Maybe the reminder could come in 2 or 3 steps (1x one day > before, 1x early the evening of meeting day and 1x 15mins before). If > this seems to be to much maybe 2 could be also Ok... > > > best regards > Henrik > > Steven Moix schrieb: > >> Raah, I missed it. Could you send the meeting reminders a bit earlier >> than 15 minutes before the actual meeting? :p >> >> On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 11:43 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> We will have our regular scheduled meeting today, the 5th of February, 2009. >>> >>> When: 17.00 UTC, 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific >>> Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net >>> What: The agenda is going to be working from the new schedule which was >>> put up on the wiki at >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule. The goal >>> is to try and set deadlines for everything on the schedule and also >>> establish some time-based, recurring, tasks which we can then turn into >>> a boilerplate template schedule which we can then use over for every >>> release. Hopefully, that will give us some more structure and allow us >>> to focus our efforts on other things... >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > Can anyone tell me how can i join meeting? Thanks & Regards, Archit Patel From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 6 17:38:54 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:38:54 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today 5.2.2009 In-Reply-To: <498C17F2.6070501@gmail.com> References: <498B174E.50900@redhat.com> <1233859832.3234.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <498BF210.6020404@gmx.de> <498C17F2.6070501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498C75AE.5020609@redhat.com> Archit Patel wrote: > wonderer wrote: >> Hy, >> >> same for me. Maybe the reminder could come in 2 or 3 steps (1x one day >> before, 1x early the evening of meeting day and 1x 15mins before). If >> this seems to be to much maybe 2 could be also Ok... >> >> >> best regards >> Henrik >> > Can anyone tell me how can i join meeting? > > > Thanks & Regards, > Archit Patel > To answer both questions, I will now send out meeting reminders as follows. 1st reminder on Tuesday, mid-day, eastern time. 2nd reminder Wednesday, early evening, eastern time. 3rd Reminder, Thursday 10am, eastern time. Does anyone want a different time, like a few minutes(30), before the meeting as well, or is this sufficient? To join the meetings, use an irc client to get on irc.freenode.net and join us in #fedora-meeting, which is where the meeting takes place. Otherwise, we are always hanging out in #fedora-mktg on the same server. Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 6 17:39:47 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:39:47 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> I tried to get in contact with spot and was unsuccessful the past two days. Either way, I would like to say that I now have the ball on this and will make sure it gets done ASAP. Thanks, Jack Nicu Buculei wrote: > David Nalley wrote: >>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>>>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on >>>>> something >>>>> from Red Hat Legal. >>>>> >>>>> What exactly are we blocking on? >> >> Per this message it's spot: >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html >> > > Yes, that is. We have to hunt people and ask for signatures. And as we > don't know what to ask for, we have to wait. > >> Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last >> meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see >> meeting minutes anywhere. > > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:52:51 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:52:51 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:39:47PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> David Nalley wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>>>>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on >>>>>> something >>>>>> from Red Hat Legal. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are we blocking on? >>> >>> Per this message it's spot: >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html >> >> Yes, that is. We have to hunt people and ask for signatures. And as we >> don't know what to ask for, we have to wait. >> >>> Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last >>> meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see >>> meeting minutes anywhere. > > I tried to get in contact with spot and was unsuccessful the past two > days. Either way, I would like to say that I now have the ball on this > and will make sure it gets done ASAP. Cool. Spot is at FOSDEM right now. Based on how things go at shows, I bet he'll be in emergency-triage mode for email for a while, so the delay's understandable. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:39:47PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >>> David Nalley wrote: >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> from Red Hat Legal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly are we blocking on? >>>>>>> >>>> Per this message it's spot: >>>> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html >>>> >>> Yes, that is. We have to hunt people and ask for signatures. And as we >>> don't know what to ask for, we have to wait. >>> >>> >>>> Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last >>>> meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see >>>> meeting minutes anywhere. >>>> >> I tried to get in contact with spot and was unsuccessful the past two >> days. Either way, I would like to say that I now have the ball on this >> and will make sure it gets done ASAP. >> > > Cool. Spot is at FOSDEM right now. Based on how things go at shows, > I bet he'll be in emergency-triage mode for email for a while, so the > delay's understandable. > > Didnt realize that, that could explain the delay. I will try and contact him next week and see if I can officially take this off his plate. Jack From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 19:18:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:18:41 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:29:13PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:39:47PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >>> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>>> David Nalley wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nicu commented on my blog that there has been a long wait on >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> from Red Hat Legal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What exactly are we blocking on? >>>>>>>> >>>>> Per this message it's spot: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html >>>>> >>>> Yes, that is. We have to hunt people and ask for signatures. And as >>>> we don't know what to ask for, we have to wait. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Though someone was tasked with following up on this at the last >>>>> meeting I attended and I don't recall who that was, and I don't see >>>>> meeting minutes anywhere. >>>>> >>> I tried to get in contact with spot and was unsuccessful the past two >>> days. Either way, I would like to say that I now have the ball on >>> this and will make sure it gets done ASAP. >>> >> >> Cool. Spot is at FOSDEM right now. Based on how things go at shows, >> I bet he'll be in emergency-triage mode for email for a while, so the >> delay's understandable. >> >> > Didnt realize that, that could explain the delay. I will try and contact > him next week and see if I can officially take this off his plate. Since Spot is the primary contact point for legal, i.e. the "Fedora Legal" coordinator, why don't we allow him to chase this down. But he should communicate the status to you if you're minding the Picture Book project from the high level. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 6 20:19:24 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <498C9B4C.9050000@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Since Spot is the primary contact point for legal, i.e. the "Fedora > Legal" coordinator, why don't we allow him to chase this down. But he > should communicate the status to you if you're minding the Picture > Book project from the high level. > > So let it be written, so let it be done.... Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 6 21:03:13 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:03:13 -0500 Subject: Meeting Summary and Log of 5/2/2009 Message-ID: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> I'm gonna try and do these as well as put them up on the wiki to track. Summary ======= We aimed to discuss the schedule which is present here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule, as an auxiliary to this one should also look at pfrields' schedule notes posted at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/Marketing_schedule_notes which are linked off the main schedule page. The goal is to hopefully create something which is derived from this which can be used as a template schedule to track all the various responsibilities of the marketing team from the FUDCon preceding a release up until 1 month post-release. Ideally, this would be located at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with appropriate pages for each release--i.e. F11_Schedule, F12_Schedule etc. Working from the current schedule, however, we came up with the following action items: * Have 3 Feature Owners, or relevant contributors do some form of press interaction with 3 different community press contacts, this meaning news sites, podcasts, etc. Owner: Jack Aboutboul * From this Steven Moix suggested this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork Same idea as above but for each language * Any Fedora-relates press should now be added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive * Jack Aboutboul will coordinate with jlaska about QA Guide * Jonathan Roberts will coordinate with dglezos regarding translation guide * Work still needs to be done to shore up F11 Talking Points at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points Owner: Jack Aboutboul Hopefully, we will be able to have the template schedule done by next week so that we can begin dividing up all the tasks and equally distributing work. Start irc log ======== JonRob joined the chat room. [2:02pm] ? spevack is lurking [2:02pm] moixs: Here he is [2:02pm] moixs: ping herlo [2:03pm] ? JonRob is here [2:03pm] JonRob: themayor, found you [2:03pm] themayor: hey [2:03pm] themayor: awesome [2:03pm] ChitleshGoorah: spevack: grimbergen ?? nah find yourself a non-commerical one : wit pater [2:03pm] themayor: JonRob: thanks, i assume you got my email [2:03pm] spevack: ChitleshGoorah: you can get me one tomorrow [2:03pm] ChitleshGoorah: [2:03pm] herlo: moixs: hi [2:03pm] themayor: herlo: yo dude [2:04pm] herlo: themayor: hello [2:04pm] themayor: okay awesome crisis averted [2:04pm] moixs: herlo: we are having the marketing meeting here, if you have time [2:04pm] ? JonRob apologises if he goes quiet, home made pizza is in the oven [2:04pm] herlo: oh, I thought it was already over [2:04pm] ? herlo was confused [2:04pm] themayor: im gonna send a meeting reminder a day early from now on so hopefully if i mess it up again, someone will catch me [2:04pm] themayor: herlo: yeah, my bad, i hit 7 instead of 9 in the meeting reminder [2:05pm] herlo: themayor: I use google calendar for the FAMNA meetings, you might like that to remind you to send it a day early [2:05pm] herlo: and it'll be consistent [2:05pm] herlo: [2:05pm] themayor: herlo: yeah, word [2:05pm] herlo: moixs: I was about to reply to your email about the Marketing distribution plan [2:05pm] themayor: anyway, lets get down to some stuff, sound cool? [2:05pm] herlo: yeppers [2:06pm] themayor: alright so lets pull this up [2:06pm] themayor: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule [2:06pm] themayor: which we should probably move at some point, no offense JonRob [2:06pm] JonRob: no, i just put it there as a draft space [2:07pm] JonRob: didn't know where else to put it for time being [2:07pm] themayor: awesome, yeah, well its very good right now [2:07pm] chitlesh_ joined the chat room. [2:07pm] themayor: the truth is, i saw minimum discussion about it on the list so i wanted people to give feedback [2:07pm] themayor: also, i would like to assign tasks to people [2:08pm] themayor: and see if we are missing anything [2:08pm] themayor: well not assign tasks necessarily, but see what bits and pieces people want to do [2:08pm] JonRob: minimum = nonne [2:08pm] jankratochvil joined the chat room. [2:08pm] JonRob: themayor: even if not all the tasks get assigned an owner, think we should at least start on the top three [2:09pm] themayor: yes, so i can do the lay press contacts and coordinatiing with contributors for interviews [2:09pm] spevack: i think the schedule looks good [2:09pm] JonRob: great [2:09pm] JonRob: i'd be happy to take either one of the guides [2:09pm] spevack: and that we should do whatever needs to be done to treat it as official, have owners, and work off of it [2:09pm] moixs: It would be great if you could read my proposition right now, it seems a bit of the same [2:09pm] themayor: i think one thing also, is that we should work from this schedule to put together a template schedule which we can reuse for EVERY release [2:10pm] JonRob: yeah, some of the stuff can be turned into really generic items [2:11pm] ? herlo thinks we should do that so it becomes a simple process and we just give takss to individuals that way [2:12pm] themayor: yeah, i agree and this way when a new release is about to be out, say starting alpha time, we all know what needs to be done and who needs to do it and this we can coordinate everything more easily, no? [2:12pm] herlo: and I also think this goes along well with moixs' idea for FedoraMarketingDistribution and we should possibly have this doc refer to that one, or combine them in some form... [2:12pm] themayor: i really like the concept of this for example [2:12pm] themayor: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule [2:12pm] themayor: i didnt read the email, it came in a couple mins ago [2:12pm] themayor: do you guys mind if i go take a look real quick? [2:12pm] moixs: The page is on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork [2:12pm] moixs: And it's awfuly close to the first point on the list [2:12pm] JonRob: themayor, not a problem i also need to read it [2:14pm] themayor: yes, it looks like #1 exactly and sounds really well thought out [2:14pm] JonRob: agred [2:14pm] JonRob: agreed [2:15pm] JonRob: the only thing i'd say is that when contacting lay press [2:15pm] JonRob: not only do we want to point them to fedora related stories [2:15pm] JonRob: but specifically to the feature list [2:15pm] JonRob: so that they can build their own articles/pieces on what interests them and their specific readers [2:16pm] themayor: well we want them to write their own fedora stories [2:17pm] TitaX joined the chat room. [2:17pm] moixs: Sorry to ask this, but I visibly misunderstood something as English isn't my native language...what is "lay" press? [2:18pm] themayor: general press, meaning non-major news outlet [2:18pm] themayor: like websites, bloggers, podcasts, etc [2:18pm] moixs: oh, ok [2:19pm] themayor: for example, yesterday i spoke with spevack about for f11 having no less than 3 feature owners hook up with some lay press people for coverage [2:19pm] themayor: i think thats a good goal we should start with 3 for each language and build up the contacts listr [2:19pm] JonRob: sounds like an awesome goal [2:19pm] moixs: Yep [2:20pm] moixs: I think we should think about the distribution network for 2-3 days on the mailinglist [2:20pm] GeroldKa left the chat room. ("Verlassend") [2:20pm] moixs: and then start to recruit people on the ambassador list [2:20pm] moixs: (including ourselves) [2:21pm] themayor: agreed. moixs would you mind creating a page for each langauge you proposed off that page so people can list the right person and press contacts [2:21pm] moixs: Not a problem [2:21pm] moixs: I'll keep everyone updated on the mailinglist [2:21pm] themayor: i also think we need to choose very carefully who we decide to let represent us too [2:21pm] themayor: i almost feel like we should have the ambassadors and others be a middle man to the feature owner in some sense [2:21pm] themayor: does anyone else feel that way? [2:22pm] spevack: may i share my thoughts? [2:22pm] herlo: themayor: why? I think the ambassadors are the point people [2:22pm] moixs: The major issue i see is that we can't mesure people's dedication [2:22pm] moixs: go ahead spevack [2:22pm] themayor: spevack: go ahead [2:22pm] spevack: well, jack already said some of it. But I think that there's a few goals that we can work toward at the same time [2:23pm] spevack: (1) training Fedora Marketing folks and Fedora Ambassadors to speak publicly about Fedora, and to interact with Fedora Developers. [2:23pm] spevack: by encouraging the Fedora Marketing people to try to generate some press about a subset of our features [2:23pm] spevack: we can get them talking with the feature owner, and also hopefully get the 3 people talking to a blogger or website news writer. [2:23pm] spevack: ONE THING TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF: [2:24pm] spevack: the features that we select, and the people that we target, need to be organized, and tracked. [2:24pm] spevack: Marketing is about chooising a very specific message [2:24pm] ChitleshGoorah left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [2:24pm] spevack: and then amplifying that message [2:24pm] spevack: we don't want people going off contacting random news or press folks about random things. [2:24pm] JonRob: not only that, i acn't think feature owners will be nearly as responsive as in the past if we bombard them with lots of requests [2:24pm] spevack: we are talking about an organized effort to bring more visibility to speficic "features" and "folks" within Fedora [2:24pm] spevack: JonRob: exactly right. [2:25pm] spevack: the features we pick, and the people who we are working with, should be decided during a meeting or on the list [2:25pm] spevack: we should make a list of the 5 or 6 features we care about the most, and reach out to the people in charge of those features in order. [2:25pm] spevack: If they are interested in working w/ Fedora marketing, then they get a "partner" in the Marketing tema [2:25pm] spevack: *team [2:25pm] moixs: Yep, that's why i didn't want to rush this whole idea...if we in the marketing group are not able to feed news to the ambassadors, it's useless [2:25pm] spevack: once we have 3 features and 3 mktg/dev pairs, we get to work. [2:25pm] spevack: I think there's potential [2:25pm] spevack: from a management perspective [2:26pm] spevack: it requires clarity in describint what we want to do [2:26pm] spevack: and good organization [2:26pm] spevack: EOF [2:26pm] moixs: spevack: modify the page with your propositions, they are great [2:27pm] stickster_food is now known as stickster. [2:27pm] ? stickster has totally *not* been eating this whole time. Here late after some phone calls. [2:28pm] themayor: stickster: lol, its all good, welcome [2:28pm] themayor: yes, spevack would you mind adding your thoughts to the wiki as well so we can work from there? [2:29pm] spevack: themayor: which page? [2:29pm] themayor: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork [2:29pm] spevack: themayor: i'll do it [2:29pm] themayor: not as a definitive place for them, but just because it seems like we can work from there [2:29pm] JonRob: and if someone could link to that from the laypress section of the larger schedule [2:30pm] themayor: yeah ill link to it since its my task technically [2:30pm] themayor: i might actually move the schedule later on today, and ill send an email to the list [2:30pm] ? JonRob *is* eating now [2:30pm] themayor: sure, enjoy [2:30pm] themayor: at the same time, lets get back to the schedule [2:30pm] themayor: does anyone see anything that isnt on there that should be? [2:31pm] JonRob: one thing i left off which ahs been very popular with digg etc [2:31pm] themayor: either a specific task or a general item? [2:31pm] JonRob: is our own dev interviews [2:31pm] JonRob: but i'm not sure how that will fit in with the new lay press item [2:31pm] themayor: yes, true, we should have that happen post release [2:32pm] themayor: JonRob: it doesnt need to be the same people, meaning some could do lay press and some could do the dev interviews [2:32pm] stickster: Something else we could improve -- followup on and around release day. [2:33pm] stickster: Monitoring the larger community news sites and providing follow-up as needed [2:33pm] themayor: agreed, definitely agreed [2:33pm] stickster: I seem to recall several people bringing up that need and the desire to do better for the next release [2:33pm] sdziallas joined the chat room. [2:34pm] herlo: stickster: that stuff that rahul does, is that getting recorded anywhere but the mailing lists? [2:34pm] stickster: herlo: You mean, press roundups? [2:35pm] herlo: uh, if that's what they're called yes [2:35pm] moixs: I asked him to add it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive from now [2:35pm] stickster: (I think I just made that up. Sorry!) [2:35pm] herlo: stickster: it's a nice name [2:35pm] stickster: moixs: Thanks, I was just looking for that link! [2:35pm] moixs: I'm the only maintainer of this page atm [2:36pm] spevack: stickster: up above, i discussed the 3-features-focus idea from yesterday [2:36pm] herlo: moixs: I don't think any of the ones rahul has posted for the past X releases are on there, maybe we should go back and get some in place? Or are we just looking forward and getting thm on there in the future ?? [2:36pm] themayor: yes, we should definitely take alot of care into making sure, all of us, not just moixs, to make sure that page is well up to date [2:36pm] kital left the chat room. (Success) [2:36pm] moixs: herlo: none of Rahuls' items are on there, but he will add them from now on [2:36pm] JonRob: stickster: were you also talking about comments on external pages as well though [2:37pm] JonRob: and answering where people have an inaccurate picture? [2:37pm] herlo: moixs: k [2:37pm] stickster: JonRob: So I think those are two specific work items: 1. Following up on community sites around/after release day; and 2. Recording news stories and providing follow-up where appropriate. [2:38pm] JonRob: yup [2:38pm] herlo: so I have a specific question regarding what is considered news? Is an individuals blog post news? Or is it more like LWN and Phoronix? [2:38pm] moixs: herlo: going back and add past items seems like a lot of work, not necessary useful. If we start right for the F11 release it's ok for me. But everyone shuld add things to these pages when you see an article on a major website. It helps us keep statistics about our marketing efforts. [2:39pm] moixs: herlo: more lile LWN ans Phoronix [2:39pm] herlo: because I can see us gathering a lot of posts out there that have good information and could be useful, but could become a heavy load to gather all the tiem [2:40pm] moixs: yep, we shouldn't consider the usefulness, but how many people it affects, marketing way. IMO [2:40pm] themayor: lwn and phoronix [2:40pm] themayor: things like that [2:40pm] themayor: individual posts are nice, but will probably be too cumbersome to keep track of [2:41pm] moixs: The article sI link there are all from the 5-6 biggest general french IT website [2:41pm] stickster: OK, back to the schedule. This issue came up as a side note to the schedule, I think [2:42pm] themayor: well it came up as a discussion of the first item on the schedule [2:43pm] themayor: okay i want to ask a question [2:43pm] themayor: right now the cycle is this [2:43pm] themayor: fudcon -> alpha -> feature freeze -> beta -> final freeze -> release [2:44pm] themayor: i think, that ideally, i would like or schedule to start from the previous fudcon [2:44pm] themayor: just because there is stuff to do around there as well [2:44pm] themayor: does anyone agree/disagree? [2:44pm] moixs: I'm not sure to understand what you mean [2:44pm] themayor: it may even be that the meeting immediately after fudcon is set aside to discuss the upcoming cycle [2:45pm] JonRob: agree completely, the schedule as is was written specifically to run for from after alpha to final release because that's all the time we have in this cycle [2:45pm] themayor: meaning if we are going to map out activities over the course of a release, it technically starts at the fudcon preceding the release [2:45pm] JonRob: for a general template schedule, the earlier items will need to be added on [2:46pm] themayor: JonRob: yes i know, i wasnt being crtical, im just trying to work out the concept of the template schedule [2:46pm] JonRob: themayor: no problem at all, complete agree with you [2:47pm] themayor: okay great, so that being said, that was sort of a side track, i am going to put together a template schedule tonight or tomorrow and send that to the list as well [2:47pm] stickster: If I were going to set a date for getting a marketing schedule together for the next release, I'd just state it as weeks before Alpha. [2:47pm] GeroldKa joined the chat room. [2:47pm] JonRob: ha, wikis are crazy - i just went to add stickster's new items [2:48pm] JonRob: and they're already there [2:48pm] themayor: hahaha, awesome [2:48pm] ? stickster [2:48pm] themayor: stickster: yes, i agree, i was thinking ideally ti should be something like 5-6 weeks before alpha [2:48pm] themayor: which in reality will probably end up being 2-3 [2:49pm] moixs: Seems sensible to me [2:49pm] JonRob: the original drafts of the proposal also included suggestions for content that could be creaated around fudcons [2:50pm] JonRob: and there is definitely potential in the new FADs for some marketing [2:50pm] herlo: JonRob: +1 on the fudcon creation [2:50pm] herlo: and FADs [2:50pm] themayor: yeah alright, so hopefully when the template is up later everyone can add these bits and pieces [2:51pm] themayor: back to the current schedule [2:51pm] themayor: we have about 10 minutes [2:52pm] themayor: id at least like to have people volunteer for all the stuff through april [2:52pm] JonRob: ok, well i'll happily take creating the translation how to [2:52pm] stickster: We should look at the schedule much in the way that John Poelstra looks at his overall schedule -- if it's not perfect, that's OK -- we want it to get progressively better each release, though. [2:52pm] JonRob: or at least, i'll happily collaborate with others on that [2:52pm] Karlik left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [2:53pm] stickster: JonRob: Did you see my email to the list? [2:53pm] stickster: There is already a Translation Quick Start Guide, produced by the L10n and Docs team.s [2:53pm] kital joined the chat room. [2:53pm] JonRob: stickster: oh awesome [2:53pm] themayor: also one thing i dont think we necessarily should produce the guides ourselves [2:53pm] themayor: at least not for the most part, or maybe unless docs is bogged down [2:54pm] stickster: As with any tasks, I think we need to make sure they fit into the context of the Marketing team. [2:54pm] themayor: yes, i think we need to work with docs to ensure these things are happening and provide support to them [2:54pm] stickster: Otherwise it becomes too much like randomness, and that makes it hard to achieve a measurable success. [2:55pm] JonRob: working with other teams is very important, agreed [2:56pm] themayor: okay so lets say our goal isnt to write the guides, but to coordinate with docs to make sure they happen [2:56pm] themayor: all the other stuff, features summaries and related, thats us, and i feel like that is more suited towards our team anyway, no? [2:57pm] stickster: I think the guide to testing should be coming from QA. Docs on translating software come from L10n. [2:57pm] themayor: yes, that sounds about right [2:57pm] stickster: And yes, things like summaries, and developing the other content and information that helps us send a consistent message to the general public about Fedora, comes from Marketing. [2:58pm] JonRob: i do think that marketing would need to write copy to promote the various guides, and ensure they're targeted at appropriated audienecs [2:58pm] stickster: JonRob: Yes, that's definitely the right crossover point. It's not making sure they get published; the job of Marketing is to make sure they're seen and heard about. [2:59pm] JonRob: also, recognising the need for specific documents [2:59pm] stickster: But there's nothing saying that the Marketing lead for doing that for a specific doc, and the Docs team person responsible for that doc, can't work together to coordinate. [2:59pm] stickster: They should, in fact! [2:59pm] stickster: JonRob: Sure, and bringing that to the Docs team to solve, for instance. [3:00pm] ? stickster yields to themayor to continue [3:00pm] JonRob: think we should clarify this on the schedule a little [3:01pm] themayor: thats good, okay so we need to update those things on moixs wiki page [3:01pm] themayor: because right now it says the goal is for us to produce them [3:01pm] stickster: moixs: Can you revise [3:01pm] stickster: ? [3:01pm] moixs: Yes [3:01pm] moixs: tomorrow [3:01pm] stickster: no problem [3:01pm] themayor: anyway JonRob if you talk to docs, ill talk to qa [3:01pm] themayor: deal? [3:02pm] JonRob: sounds wonderful to me [3:03pm] JonRob: heh, think i got the easy end of things, with the guide already written [3:03pm] JonRob: themayor, be sure to speak with jlaska about the stuff he's already done [3:04pm] themayor: absolutely [3:04pm] themayor: now on to the stuff for beta [3:04pm] stickster: themayor: What is going to be your role in that doc exactly? [3:04pm] stickster: I guess I don't understand what our Marketing goal is in contacting Docs + QA about these two guides. [3:04pm] stickster: Can someone clarify that for me? [3:05pm] themayor: ill try [3:05pm] themayor: so essentially to make sure that these things exists and are updated for the release [3:05pm] moixs: (I really need to go, sorry) [3:05pm] stickster: moixs: Thank you for your time [3:05pm] moixs left the chat room. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") [3:06pm] stickster: themayor: I'm trying to see that the Docs team itself has the chance to properly fit anything needing publishing into their workload [3:07pm] themayor: okay so they are overburdened? [3:07pm] stickster: We have a new community leader there and I'm sure he'll want to know if there are new items coming in for publishing so they can find maintainers. [3:07pm] lcafiero: We are also going to be working on docs at FAD SCaLE [3:07pm] JonRob: stickster: as i envision it, marketing wants to go to the people wiht the most niterest in producing these guides [3:07pm] JonRob: i.e. glezos, jlaska [3:08pm] JonRob: whoever they want to further go to [3:08pm] JonRob: and see if they are happy to work on it [3:08pm] JonRob: we can collaborate on creation where needed [3:08pm] JonRob: if needed we can head over to docs for publishing it [3:09pm] JonRob: and the initial creators continue to maintain it [3:09pm] JonRob: i don't see the need for a fixed divide between people in mktg, docs, qa etc only being able to do one specific thing [3:09pm] JonRob: the processes are open [3:09pm] stickster: Right, it's an intersection [3:10pm] JonRob: if something needs producing [3:10pm] themayor: the truth is, i just got this idea, how much is it our responsibility to make sure those things are taken care of [3:10pm] themayor: and for each release [3:10pm] JonRob: let's give potentially interested parties a prod and be the catalyst [3:10pm] themayor: it should be the individual groups [3:10pm] themayor: JonRob: yeah exactly [3:10pm] quaid: you know ... this is crazy talk ... but it would be kind of cool if we had a concerted effort to figure out what our Fedora audience wants. [3:11pm] JonRob: quaid? [3:11pm] quaid: Docs presumes a User Guide, for example, is desired and useful. [3:11pm] quaid: but is it? [3:11pm] quaid: we have very little market data that says either way [3:11pm] JonRob: quaid, the docs that we're talking about here though [3:11pm] quaid: so we pursue what interests us, etc., but without market guidance. [3:11pm] ? quaid listens [3:11pm] stickster: Here's the thing -- the Translation Guide is already underway and actively maintained. [3:12pm] stickster: The Testing Guide is something that QA has already started producing content for, if nothing else than jlaska's recent blog entries. [3:12pm] stickster: Those need to be augmented and tied together. [3:12pm] stickster: But those are pretty slushy tasks right now for Marketing, to somehow coordinate those guides. [3:12pm] Renault left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) [3:12pm] JonRob: slushy? [3:13pm] quaid: not solid like ice [3:13pm] stickster: Difficult to see where they start, and when they're done. [3:13pm] quaid: not liquid like water [3:13pm] herlo: quaid: to answer your question succinctly, 'Contributors are those who decide what is important and we try to share that with the users in Fedora Land'. Does that sound reasonable to everyone? [3:13pm] JonRob: well, the purpose behind proposing [3:13pm] JonRob: might help to clear this up and let us tighten up our language [3:13pm] JonRob: is that as a project, and as a marketing team [3:13pm] quaid: herlo: well, we've never explored a different approach; and I reckon some folks might like guidance from such an effort; but if it's not the topic here today, I'll bring it up on-list some time. [3:13pm] JonRob: we are trying to encourage and ENABLE as many new (and old) contributors to get involved [3:14pm] herlo: so our marketing is around what *should* already be popular because it's us who creates it, [3:14pm] JonRob: two key areas where contributors can easily get involved are translation and qa [3:14pm] JonRob: as a marketing team, i see it as our responsibility to ensure that the pieces are in place to help people get started [3:14pm] herlo: quaid: but I do see your point, maybe we'd get more people if we said, 'here's what we have, what's lacking?' to a larger audience [3:15pm] JonRob: a vital part of that is instructional guides on how to do it [3:15pm] JonRob: along with copy that entices people into reading and contributing [3:15pm] JonRob: BOTH of these are important parts of the puzzle [3:15pm] stickster: JonRob: That's not a big differentiator from other teams though. [3:15pm] stickster: JonRob: That's, after all, a project-wide goal. [3:16pm] stickster: Before we get into this conversation, though, I don't want to hijack Jack's agenda. [3:16pm] JonRob: right, well at that point i'll throw my hands up in the air and say i'm not totally sure what marketing is supposed to do [3:17pm] JonRob: sure... [3:17pm] stickster: JonRob: I have an idea but I don't want to run Jack in circles [3:17pm] stickster: After we get through the meeting I'm happy to hang around and talk about this [3:17pm] themayor: haha, anyway [3:17pm] stickster: Because it's very important to me that Marketing have a detailed set of tasks to work on that are unique to the team, and allow the people present to devote their specialized skills. [3:18pm] ? herlo will be intently listening to that conversation [3:19pm] stickster: themayor: Proceed [3:19pm] themayor: thanks [3:19pm] themayor: the stuff for preview release [3:20pm] themayor: feature summary [3:20pm] themayor: im gonna add in talking points to that as well [3:21pm] themayor: there is already a talking point page [3:21pm] themayor: we need to finish that and work on a larger document as is proposed by jonrob in the current schedule [3:23pm] Sonar_Guy left the chat room. ("Xchat destroyed by Operating System") [3:23pm] stickster: themayor: What's left to do on the talking points, and who's got the ball to do it? [3:23pm] JonRob: themayor: i think we need to make sure we talk with rahul about that too [3:24pm] JonRob: there's been *a lot* of confusion and duplicated work in the past [3:24pm] themayor: stickster: right now its me [3:24pm] themayor: needs to be re-worded [3:24pm] JonRob: also, themayor: link? [3:24pm] themayor: but if anyone else feels compelled [3:24pm] stickster: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points [3:25pm] stickster: themayor: What do you still need to do? [3:25pm] stickster: I'm just trying to figure out how we know it's done, and what we'll do next after it is. [3:25pm] themayor: just continue to update it, reword it to be more plain english [3:26pm] themayor: and take care of the stuff thats in bold on that page [3:26pm] themayor: i guess we will know when its done when i email the list saying its done and no one disagrees? [3:26pm] ? lcafiero has to go to $DAYJOB where he'll pick up the conversation when he gets there. [3:26pm] lcafiero left the chat room. ("Leaving") [3:27pm] stickster: themayor: Why don't you take care of the bold points, and I'll make sure it gets an edit for human speadk. [3:27pm] stickster: *speak, even. [3:27pm] themayor: thats the plan [3:27pm] stickster: themayor: Email the list when you've done the bold points, and I'll catch that and give it one more editorial pass. [3:27pm] stickster: What happens after that? [3:27pm] stickster: Well, we can discuss that on list, never mind. [3:28pm] themayor: yeah [3:29pm] themayor: okay so we are almost an hour an a half in, can we suspend the meeting for now and we continue to work on the wiki to develop the three things we spoke about today: [3:29pm] themayor: 1. Template Schedule [3:29pm] themayor: 2. F11 Schedule [3:29pm] themayor: 3. News Distribution Page [3:30pm] stickster: I'm good with that [3:30pm] themayor: and next week we can pick up on all that stuff, assuming we all talk about everything on the list [3:30pm] JonRob: heh [3:31pm] stickster: Adjourn? [3:31pm] herlo: sounds good to me [3:31pm] themayor: yes please im hungry i havent eaten yet! [3:32pm] stickster: themayor: So you'll post a summary for this meeting and a IRC log to the list, correct? [3:32pm] themayor: yes [3:32pm] themayor: not right now, but in a couple hours or so [3:32pm] stickster: That's super. From francesco at ephisia.org Fri Feb 6 21:24:07 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:24:07 +0100 Subject: Meeting Summary and Log of 5/2/2009 In-Reply-To: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> References: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I'm gonna try and do these as well as put them up on the wiki to track. > > > Hopefully, we will be able to have the template schedule done by next week > so that we can begin dividing up all the tasks and equally distributing > work. Thank you for all these updates. Like I said, in the last week I wasn't able to attend, so, it's a real precious tool to stay update even if unavailable. Regards Francesco Ugolini From r.dushyanth at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 03:59:07 2009 From: r.dushyanth at gmail.com (Dushyanth R) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:29:07 +0530 Subject: Documentary on Fedora Message-ID: <84a6e1e90902061959i7dfbebf6p4d388f00dfdd6cc8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all I had a strange idea and thought it would be nice to share. Well it goes like we all love documentaries-they are so informative, they give points to ponder, and mostly because it's fun, also it does help a curious mind to get information without the burden of reading up something. After the idea of "picture book", I think the next logical step is an Official documentary. It could maybe cover the birth and rise of fedora, contribution and importance of fedora to the foss community, etc. So any thoughts on such a thing?Comments? I do know that documentaries on Linux already exist(revolution OS, the code linux) but why not have something specific for fedora..... Disregard this mail if such a documentary already exists.I searched on google and couldn't find one. regards R Dhushyanth --Charles M. Schulz - "I love mankind; it's people I can't stand." From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 04:45:29 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:45:29 -0600 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <498C9B4C.9050000@redhat.com> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C9B4C.9050000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090207044529.GA20685@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:19:24PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Since Spot is the primary contact point for legal, i.e. the "Fedora >> Legal" coordinator, why don't we allow him to chase this down. But he >> should communicate the status to you if you're minding the Picture >> Book project from the high level. >> >> > So let it be written, so let it be done.... > All I know is that we're waiting on RH Legal to write up an acceptable release form that can be used for this project (something more broad than the release forms used at FUDConF11; those were temporary). We block on that. Then we can start the picture uploading. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is also an (empty) list with couples between marketing people and feature owners/SIGs/other to assure a somewhat continuous news flow. Add yourself to the list if you are interested, we'll discuss the state of this page during the next meeting IMO. > > * Any Fedora-relates press should now be added to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive I just added a link to http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/48938-fedora-11-alpha-mingw-kde4.htm Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 7 12:01:56 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:31:56 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha now ships with Windows cross compiler Message-ID: <498D7834.9060006@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.ostoday.org/os-news-1/00016-020609.shtml Min-GW is a development environment for Fedora users who want to cross-compile their programs to run on Windows without having to use Windows during development. In the past, developers have had to port and compile all of the libraries and tools they have needed. ?MinGW in Fedora eliminates duplication of work for application developers by providing a range of libraries and development tools already ported to the cross-compiler environment,? says Fedora. Rahul From francesco at ephisia.org Sat Feb 7 12:21:16 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:21:16 +0100 Subject: Documentary on Fedora In-Reply-To: <84a6e1e90902061959i7dfbebf6p4d388f00dfdd6cc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a6e1e90902061959i7dfbebf6p4d388f00dfdd6cc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Dushyanth R wrote: > Hi all > I had a strange idea and thought it would be nice to share. Well it > goes like we all love documentaries-they are so informative, they give > points to ponder, and mostly because it's fun, also it does help a > curious mind to get information without the burden of reading up > something. After the idea of "picture book", I think the next logical > step is an Official documentary. It could maybe cover the birth and > rise of fedora, contribution and importance of fedora to the foss > community, etc. So any thoughts on such a thing?Comments? > I do know that documentaries on Linux already exist(revolution OS, the > code linux) but why not have something specific for fedora..... > > Disregard this mail if such a documentary already exists.I searched on > google and couldn't find one. > > > > regards > R Dhushyanth There are a lot of videos about Fedora and its community. If you want to volunteer to investigate on this possibility. I thought sometime ago about some video guide for ambassadors, but the script planning, the production and post-production discouraged me. That's my personal POV, taken from my experience. Regards Francesco Ugolini From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sat Feb 7 13:12:50 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:12:50 -0500 Subject: Fedora Twitters Message-ID: <818ac3c70902070512q31461a72sbdcc502aa19eb9b6@mail.gmail.com> You can now follow most major Fedora announcements via Twitter. Just choose to follow fedora_linux at http://twitter.com/fedora_linux from your Twitter account. Alternately, you can choose to follow Fedora Linux major news announcements via RSS at http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/16598186.rss Feedback regarding the Twitter fedora_linux account should be posted here to the fedora-marketing-list I monitor the marketing and ambassador lists for news bits appropriate to the Twitter news stream and then post those items to the fedora_linux twitter account I am open to other marketing or ambassadors helping post to this account - please contact me off list if interested. Private kudos/flames should be sent to me off list (thanks). -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcallawa at redhat.com Sat Feb 7 20:14:50 2009 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:14:50 -0500 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <20090207044529.GA20685@gmail.com> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C9B4C.9050000@redhat.com> <20090207044529.GA20685@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498DEBBA.7070104@redhat.com> On 2009-02-06 at 23:45:29 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:19:24PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> Since Spot is the primary contact point for legal, i.e. the "Fedora >>> Legal" coordinator, why don't we allow him to chase this down. But he >>> should communicate the status to you if you're minding the Picture >>> Book project from the high level. >>> >>> >> So let it be written, so let it be done.... >> > All I know is that we're waiting on RH Legal to write up an acceptable > release form that can be used for this project (something more broad > than the release forms used at FUDConF11; those were temporary). > > We block on that. Then we can start the picture uploading. I've poked RH Legal again, hopefully they will either give us something or an ETA on when we can expect it. ~spot From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 20:28:44 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:28:44 -0600 Subject: picture book blocking on RH legal? In-Reply-To: <498DEBBA.7070104@redhat.com> References: <498BE045.8090700@nicubunu.ro> <498C75E3.20203@redhat.com> <20090206175251.GO7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C8179.3060803@redhat.com> <20090206191841.GU7515@localhost.localdomain> <498C9B4C.9050000@redhat.com> <20090207044529.GA20685@gmail.com> <498DEBBA.7070104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090207202844.GB15159@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 03:14:50PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 2009-02-06 at 23:45:29 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > > All I know is that we're waiting on RH Legal to write up an acceptable > > release form that can be used for this project (something more broad > > than the release forms used at FUDConF11; those were temporary). > > > > We block on that. Then we can start the picture uploading. > > I've poked RH Legal again, hopefully they will either give us something > or an ETA on when we can expect it. > Thanks again, spot. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 02:33:20 2009 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:33:20 -0600 Subject: Fedora Twitters In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70902070512q31461a72sbdcc502aa19eb9b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70902070512q31461a72sbdcc502aa19eb9b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498E4470.30709@gmail.com> Kam Salisbury wrote: > You can now follow most major Fedora announcements via Twitter. Just > choose to follow fedora_linux at http://twitter.com/fedora_linux from > your Twitter account. Alternately, you can choose to follow Fedora > Linux major news announcements via RSS at > http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/16598186.rss > > Feedback regarding the Twitter fedora_linux account should be posted > here to the fedora-marketing-list > > I monitor the marketing and ambassador lists for news bits appropriate > to the Twitter news stream and then post those items to the > fedora_linux twitter account I am open to other marketing or > ambassadors helping post to this account - please contact me off list > if interested. > > Private kudos/flames should be sent to me off list (thanks). > > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E I was thinking, going with the whole open source idea that Fedora uses and loves so much, perhaps identi.ca would be a better choice for this, or at least a co-choice. I know that twitter has more regarding userbase, but yeah, FOSS baby. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Feb 8 08:21:55 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:21:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Meeting Summary and Log of 5/2/2009 In-Reply-To: <1233997429.4188.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> <1233997429.4188.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Steven Moix wrote: > The page has been updated with spevack's comments Thanks to whoever did that! It was on my post-FOSDEM to do list, but I'm appreciative that someone else took care of it for me. --Max From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sun Feb 8 12:45:44 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:45:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora Twitters In-Reply-To: <498E4470.30709@gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70902070512q31461a72sbdcc502aa19eb9b6@mail.gmail.com> <498E4470.30709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <818ac3c70902080445m4f0cbb0at9519828d58dc030f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > Kam Salisbury wrote: > >> You can now follow most major Fedora announcements via Twitter. Just >> choose to follow fedora_linux at http://twitter.com/fedora_linux from >> your Twitter account. Alternately, you can choose to follow Fedora Linux >> major news announcements via RSS at >> http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/16598186.rss >> >> Feedback regarding the Twitter fedora_linux account should be posted here >> to the fedora-marketing-list >> >> I monitor the marketing and ambassador lists for news bits appropriate to >> the Twitter news stream and then post those items to the fedora_linux >> twitter account I am open to other marketing or ambassadors helping post to >> this account - please contact me off list if interested. >> >> Private kudos/flames should be sent to me off list (thanks). >> >> -- >> Kam Salisbury >> http://kamsalisbury.com >> GPG key: FAF1751E >> > I was thinking, going with the whole open source idea that Fedora uses and > loves so much, perhaps identi.ca would be a better choice for this, or at > least a co-choice. I know that twitter has more regarding userbase, but > yeah, FOSS baby. > > -- > ~Michael > http://michaelbox.net > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Thanks Michael! I will check identi.ca out (I have never used it but heard it talked about on Linux Outlaws). What I think is the best about the Twitter stream is the variety of people beginning to follow Fedora. From artists to engineers, there seems to be no absolute demographic. Its a great thing. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The focus of > > the FAD is on Packaging (font packaging) and Docs (User Guide). > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x > > > > How can we get the word out to the wider community of folks within > > driving/travel distance of that event? > > -- > > Something I'd like to see get done from time to time is for this kind > of information to get posted to Fedora Forum, so perhaps Rahul could > help us out with that? The audience there is, I guess, a mix between > new user and contributor (via helping others in the forum) and so may > be ripe with people looking to get more involved. OMG BIG +1 That is in fact the group we want to see at FAD and Fedora events. Who other than Rahul has some standing at fedoraforum.org? Clint? - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The focus of >> > the FAD is on Packaging (font packaging) and Docs (User Guide). >> > >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x >> > >> > How can we get the word out to the wider community of folks within >> > driving/travel distance of that event? >> > -- >> >> Something I'd like to see get done from time to time is for this kind >> of information to get posted to Fedora Forum, so perhaps Rahul could >> help us out with that? The audience there is, I guess, a mix between >> new user and contributor (via helping others in the forum) and so may >> be ripe with people looking to get more involved. > > OMG BIG +1 > > That is in fact the group we want to see at FAD and Fedora events. > > Who other than Rahul has some standing at fedoraforum.org? Clint? > I have an account, but not real standing. I'd suggest we get someone like Scott Williams (aka vwbusguy) who hangs out there IIRC. Cheers, Clint From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 00:34:24 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:34:24 -0800 Subject: Fedora Activity Day at SCaLE 7x - getting the word out In-Reply-To: References: <20090205100500.GW10000@calliope.phig.org> <635d8d560902050315macc3c67g2f7e507b491847c4@mail.gmail.com> <20090208211427.GF4142@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902081634p2ac5e734qda456b5a57c6016e@mail.gmail.com> As the new Ambassadors correspondent for FWN, I'm putting something in this week and probably next. So hopefully the throngs that read it will come. Larry Cafiero On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > 2009/2/8 Karsten Wade : > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:15:07AM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> 2009/2/5 Karsten Wade : > >> > We're going to be doing a Fedora Activity Day[1] at the Southern > >> > California Linux Expo (SCaLE) on 20 February, a Friday. The focus of > >> > the FAD is on Packaging (font packaging) and Docs (User Guide). > >> > > >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x > >> > > >> > How can we get the word out to the wider community of folks within > >> > driving/travel distance of that event? > >> > -- > >> > >> Something I'd like to see get done from time to time is for this kind > >> of information to get posted to Fedora Forum, so perhaps Rahul could > >> help us out with that? The audience there is, I guess, a mix between > >> new user and contributor (via helping others in the forum) and so may > >> be ripe with people looking to get more involved. > > > > OMG BIG +1 > > > > That is in fact the group we want to see at FAD and Fedora events. > > > > Who other than Rahul has some standing at fedoraforum.org? Clint? > > > > I have an account, but not real standing. 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Does one exist that I > don't know about? If not, I think one should be created. Good point; I started it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations I'd appreciate some help putting that page together -- it should include the beautiful graphics Mairin Duffy made on behalf of the Design team. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And maybe the excellent articles from David Nalley ? http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=55 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=73 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=75 ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 16:04:43 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:04:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: 4 foundations In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902090741i67561e8bkaf5dab6c5c1b4618@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090209150936.GG8694@localhost.localdomain> <2d319b780902090741i67561e8bkaf5dab6c5c1b4618@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=55 > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=73 > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=75 I think that the page itself should contain content itself, and not links to other articles, but that we should use these as a reference and link to it at the bottom of the page as a means of giving credit and citing our sources. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 17:02:37 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:02:37 -0500 Subject: 4 foundations In-Reply-To: References: <20090209150936.GG8694@localhost.localdomain> <2d319b780902090741i67561e8bkaf5dab6c5c1b4618@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090209170237.GJ8694@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 05:04:43PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > >> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=55 >> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 >> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=73 >> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=75 > > I think that the page itself should contain content itself, and not links > to other articles, but that we should use these as a reference and link to > it at the bottom of the page as a means of giving credit and citing our > sources. I wrote the page from scratch but encourage wiki writers to put those references in there at the end. Again, the link is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 18:55:57 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:55:57 -0500 Subject: Press release - Red Hat + Fedora @ SCaLE 7x Message-ID: <20090209185557.GQ8694@localhost.localdomain> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/scale.html Red Hat and the Fedora Project to Present at Southern California Linux Expo * * * "Fedora offers a complete set of tools for generating a customized distribution. The output format can be installable CDs or DVDs, or Live images suitable for CD/DVD or USB keys. These tools allow sub-communities to consume and contribute to FOSS using a platform that is geared toward their specific needs. In his presentation "Fedora Remix," Clint Savage, regional ambassador for the Fedora Project, will demonstrate the toolset available in Fedora and how those tools can be used to fill a variety of needs for the hobbyist, IT administrator or the FOSS advocate." * * * -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:16:48 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:16:48 -0600 Subject: 4 foundations In-Reply-To: <20090209150936.GG8694@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090209150936.GG8694@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090209221648.GA28882@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:09:36AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:01:27PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > > I'm writing my FOSDEM trip report, and I wanted to link to a page that > > specifically explains Fedora's 4 foundations. Does one exist that I > > don't know about? If not, I think one should be created. > > Good point; I started it here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations > > I'd appreciate some help putting that page together -- it should > include the beautiful graphics Mairin Duffy made on behalf of the > Design team. > Thank you, I've been meaning to do this for weeks. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:25:54 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:25:54 -0500 Subject: Schedule/Calendar Around FUDCons In-Reply-To: <49909E9C.1010800@redhat.com> References: <49909E9C.1010800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090209222554.GA19305@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:22:36PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I am trying to work on the larger general calendar template. Like we > said, it should run from FUDCon -> 6 weeks post release. Starting > around FUDCon, what tasks do we usually have to take care of? Right > now, I have posting announcements to community sites and planet, > notifying press/directing/answering inquiries, write ups for rh/fedora > owned publications, planning marketing activities for fudcon. > > Is there anything else that should be on there? Is someone currently > doing something now that we should be taking off their plate? Hey Jack, I lost track of my marketing links -- which page is that template on? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Feb 10 00:28:07 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:28:07 -0500 Subject: Schedule/Calendar Around FUDCons In-Reply-To: <20090209222554.GA19305@localhost.localdomain> References: <49909E9C.1010800@redhat.com> <20090209222554.GA19305@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4990CA17.9000901@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:22:36PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Hey Everyone, >> >> I am trying to work on the larger general calendar template. Like we >> said, it should run from FUDCon -> 6 weeks post release. Starting >> around FUDCon, what tasks do we usually have to take care of? Right >> now, I have posting announcements to community sites and planet, >> notifying press/directing/answering inquiries, write ups for rh/fedora >> owned publications, planning marketing activities for fudcon. >> >> Is there anything else that should be on there? Is someone currently >> doing something now that we should be taking off their plate? >> > > Hey Jack, > > I lost track of my marketing links -- which page is that template on? > > What I am working on isnt up on the wiki yet, I'm working a on scratch pad of paper here and I'll put it up tonight or tomorrow morning. I just started doing it on paper and didnt want to spend the time to put it on the wiki just yet. Jack From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 10 04:31:19 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:31:19 -0800 Subject: Meeting Summary and Log of 5/2/2009 In-Reply-To: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> References: <498CA591.8080700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090210043119.GN4142@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 04:03:13PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I'm gonna try and do these as well as put them up on the wiki to track. Some quick wiki tips: * 'yum install irclog2html' and use the '-s mediawiki $FILENAME' option: irclog2html -s mediawiki /tmp/Marketing_IRC_log_20090205.log The output is the typically kind irclog2html format, but prepared for MediaWiki consumption. It is $FILENAME.html. * Put a copy of the IRC log on the wiki in the Meeting: namespace and using a naturally flowing name: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_IRC_log_20090205 * On the bottom of that page, add this block: [[Category:Marketing meeting logs]] We don't have common suggestions for meeting summaries on the wiki; most people send them to the list and link to that list archive post from a wiki page. If we did put them on the wiki, I would put them in the same namespace, e.g. [[Meeting:Teamname meeting summary]]. This helps improve searching by all users, so they don't get false positives from IRC log discussions; those are then easily searchable from the advanced search interface. For anyone who uses the wiki regularly, you want to subscribe to fedora-wiki at lists.fedoraproject.org to keep up on the latest decisions, plans, and scheming. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 10 04:51:42 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:51:42 -0800 Subject: Schedule/Calendar Around FUDCons In-Reply-To: <49909E9C.1010800@redhat.com> References: <49909E9C.1010800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090210045142.GO4142@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:22:36PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I am trying to work on the larger general calendar template. Like we > said, it should run from FUDCon -> 6 weeks post release. Starting > around FUDCon, what tasks do we usually have to take care of? Right > now, I have posting announcements to community sites and planet, > notifying press/directing/answering inquiries, write ups for rh/fedora > owned publications, planning marketing activities for fudcon. > > Is there anything else that should be on there? Is someone currently > doing something now that we should be taking off their plate? Here's a quick brain dump, in convenient paste-in-a-wiki format :) ... * Talking points for the release ** Develop these from the start of the Feature process ** Add some features as they are accepted ** Used to guide press discussions ** Can be l10nized ** Coordinate with Fedora Project Leader * Guiding the regional localized [[Release announcements]] ** These '''are not''' translations/transliterations of a fixed announcement ** These '''are''' a set of tight paragraphs (3 to 5), easy to understand and translate ** These '''are''' available for regional people/Ambassadors to use when writing their own, from scratch, regional/locale/cultural/etc. specific release announcement ** Coordinate with the [[Docs Project]], who have the expertise in writing for translation * Getting someone to write the whimsical, English, main release announcement ** We have tried to get one person to write from a given or generated idea ** We've looked for someone new each release, esp. hard working writers who haven't done it before ** May draw writer from [[Docs Project]] or other teams ** The Fedora Project Leader ([[User:Pfrields|Paul W. Frields]] currently) has final pass on the announcement and should be in the loop along the way * Release overview? ** Not clearly been owned by anyone in the past ** FPL usually writes it working with Docs ** At least needs to be tracked by Marketing * Presentation production and maintenance? ** No one has yet owned talk/presentation standards ** Standard template + multiple standard presentations ** Timeless and version-specific ** Work with Ambassadors and L10n *** Make available in multiple languages * Video ** Work with Red Hat's video team when we have integration points ** Define whatever central video repo Fedora (TV) is going to have *** Maintain that repo? For reference: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_announcements Also, hunting through the history of the Marketing tasks page was helpful in reconstructing memory, for example: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Marketing%2FTasks&diff=76401&oldid=50589 cheers - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 22:19:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:49:30 +0530 Subject: Fedora as basis of Russian Operating System? Message-ID: <4991FD72.4050509@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/fedora-as-basis-of-russias-operating.html ""[The meeting discussed a wide range of issues related to market development of free software (ACT) and its practical applications in existing systems. Separately, the importance of establishing a Russian community of developers Russian Fedora, which could serve as a step toward the creation of the domestic operating system. The Minister noted: ?We believe that the intellectual potential of Russian experts is that Russia can not only build, but a full-fledged development of the code.]"" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 11 05:25:15 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:55:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha Comes With Huge Feature Set Message-ID: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA0Mg "While a few delays were experienced by the Red Hat engineers and community working on Fedora 11 (a.k.a. Leonidas), the first alpha release of this popular Linux distribution is now available. The 11th release of Fedora will bring a huge set of new features and updated packages, with much of the work already being visible in Fedora 11 Alpha." "Starting with the installation, Fedora 11 is now using the EXT4 file-system by default but there is support built into the Anaconda installer for Btrfs, which recently entered the mainline Linux kernel." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 13:00:00 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:00:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha Comes With Huge Feature Set In-Reply-To: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090211130000.GB5988@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:55:15AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA0Mg Are this link and the previous one on the [[Marketing/PressArchive]] page(s) too? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From harry.sutton at hp.com Wed Feb 11 13:06:31 2009 From: harry.sutton at hp.com (Sutton, Harry (MSE)) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:06:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 for Itanium (IA64) Architecture? Message-ID: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> One of our engineers posted a question on an internal mailing list asking why he was unable to find this release; I can't find it on any of the mirrors, is this an oversight or an intentional drop of this architecture? /Harry Sutton, RHCA, RHCSS HP Open Source and Linux Profession Global Lead -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 6268 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 14:06:34 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:06:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha Comes With Huge Feature Set In-Reply-To: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4992DB6A.5030703@redhat.com> Yup, working on shoring up the talking points as well. Jack Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA0Mg > > "While a few delays were experienced by the Red Hat engineers and > community working on Fedora 11 (a.k.a. Leonidas), the first alpha > release of this popular Linux distribution is now available. The 11th > release of Fedora will bring a huge set of new features and updated > packages, with much of the work already being visible in Fedora 11 > Alpha." "Starting with the installation, Fedora 11 is now using the > EXT4 file-system by default but there is support built into the > Anaconda installer for Btrfs, which recently entered the mainline > Linux kernel." > > Rahul > > > > > From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 14:06:52 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:06:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Alpha Comes With Huge Feature Set In-Reply-To: <20090211130000.GB5988@localhost.localdomain> References: <4992613B.4040909@fedoraproject.org> <20090211130000.GB5988@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4992DB7C.7070106@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:55:15AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA0Mg >> > > Are this link and the previous one on the [[Marketing/PressArchive]] > page(s) too? > > I am putting them up now.... From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 16:40:45 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:40:45 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10 for Itanium (IA64) Architecture? In-Reply-To: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> References: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> Message-ID: <4992FF8D.4070206@redhat.com> Sutton, Harry (MSE) said the following on 02/11/2009 05:06 AM Pacific Time: > One of our engineers posted a question on an internal mailing list > asking why he was unable to find this release; I can't find it on any of > the mirrors, is this an oversight or an intentional drop of this > architecture? > > /Harry Sutton, RHCA, RHCSS > HP Open Source and Linux Profession Global Lead > You can't find it because it doesn't exist. From what I understand there is no one working on it right now, but volunteers to help lead the effort in the secondary architecture group are always welcome. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures The information on the wiki about ia64 may be out of date: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/IA64 but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong :) John From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 11 20:15:55 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:55 -0500 Subject: Meeting TOMORROW 2009.12.02 @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <499331FB.6000607@redhat.com> Hey All, This is a quick reminder to let everyone know that we will be having our regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow, Thursday Feb 12th at 19.00UTC, in #fedora-meeting. Look for a reminder with a more useful agenda tomorrow. Thanks, Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 00:08:32 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:08:32 -0600 Subject: Meeting TOMORROW 2009.12.02 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <499331FB.6000607@redhat.com> References: <499331FB.6000607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090212000832.GA15627@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:15:55PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > This is a quick reminder to let everyone know that we will be having our > regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow, Thursday Feb 12th at 19.00UTC, in > #fedora-meeting. > > Look for a reminder with a more useful agenda tomorrow. > Woo, I can actually^Whopefully make this meeting! :D -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't forget to see the > viewer comments also. > > > http://osnews.com/story/20963/Cuba_Says_No_More_Microsoft_Joins_the_Linux_Bandwagon > > > > -- > Angel > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 15:50:36 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:50:36 -0600 Subject: Cuba adopts Linux In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902120515ta2965bahbf2753b3dce3d88@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902120515ta2965bahbf2753b3dce3d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/12 Mar?a Leandro : > Hi! > > I can say that Cuba is a great provider of ideas for *nix system. They have > a long time using those OS and making some great ideas happens. The only > trouble I see is that they can afford a huge pc, so they use things like > gentoo, DML, puppy and rarely ubuntu (old versions). > > I help them a long time. I even sent to them some cd/dvd with digital books, > tutorials and repos for their issues. I was going to send them some fedora > media... but I read that they couldn't use it. (please... correcte if I'm > wrong) > > I thinkg that they do a lot with few resources... and have realy great > ideas; we could get some tips of that. > > > >From technical point of view they may use Fedora with xfce for computers with few resources. But I think the bigger issue is Cuba as a embargoed destination. I won't emit any opinion on this matter as it is a Political issue. Distros based on USA won't send any material to Cuba. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export But I am happy that they are taking steps for FOSS. Best regards. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 12 17:09:09 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:09:09 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today 2009.12.02 @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <499457B5.8060806@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, Our regularly scheduled weekly meeting will take place today, February 12th, 2009. When: 19.00 UTC, 2pm Eastern Time Where: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-meeting What: We will continue discussion about consolidating the tasks that we need to accomplish on a per-release basis, finalize the f11 schedule and hopefully work towards a new organizational and practical process to achieve the goals of the marketing team. Jack From angel at linux.org.bd Thu Feb 12 18:05:38 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:05:38 +0600 Subject: Cuba adopts Linux In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902120515ta2965bahbf2753b3dce3d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well. Have a look a comment from the news, I am quoting. Unlike Cuba, who fully understands the problems with proprietary operating > systems, my employer, in their great wisdom, has decided to go to a fully > Microsoft shop on our works computers, because, and I will quote the > memo..... > > "Open source software cannot be used on *********'s computer systems as > anyone can alter the source code and place a virus inside. > > Windows Vista or XP should be used in place of Linux or Solaris on the > servers and all personal computers should be running Windows Vista. > > No-one across the floor should install any product without the approval of > the line manager." > > The funny part was the anyone can stick a virus into the code, because > anyone can view the code. > > I should point out that the person who sent out the memo is a newly > appointed director, he came to us from PC World. > What should we say against this? -- Angel Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neugens at limasoftware.net Thu Feb 12 23:56:53 2009 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:56:53 +0100 Subject: Cuba adopts Linux In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902120515ta2965bahbf2753b3dce3d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234483013.19175.15.camel@galactica> Il giorno gio, 12/02/2009 alle 09.50 -0600, Neville A. Cross ha scritto: > >From technical point of view they may use Fedora with xfce for > computers with few resources. But I think the bigger issue is Cuba as > a embargoed destination. I won't emit any opinion on this matter as it > is a Political issue. Distros based on USA won't send any material to > Cuba. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export > > But I am happy that they are taking steps for FOSS. > > Best regards. Despite the political implications, Fedora is Free Software and is based on Free Software. As is, Fedora, or any other spin, should be exported and can reach any single person in the World. Limiting this, from my point of view, makes no different than just selling and promoting proprietary software. I understand your concerns, but I don't agree with "Distros based on USA won't send any material to Cuba", if this turns out to be true, I will not believe in this "Free as in Freedom/Free Software Free Society" thingy anymore. That's just my opinion, of course. Cheers, Mario From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 01:13:51 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:13:51 -0500 Subject: Cuba adopts Linux In-Reply-To: <1234483013.19175.15.camel@galactica> References: <27a6293b0902120515ta2965bahbf2753b3dce3d88@mail.gmail.com> <1234483013.19175.15.camel@galactica> Message-ID: <20090213011351.GT317@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:56:53AM +0100, Mario Torre wrote: > Il giorno gio, 12/02/2009 alle 09.50 -0600, Neville A. Cross ha > scritto: > > > >From technical point of view they may use Fedora with xfce for > > computers with few resources. But I think the bigger issue is Cuba as > > a embargoed destination. I won't emit any opinion on this matter as it > > is a Political issue. Distros based on USA won't send any material to > > Cuba. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export > > > > But I am happy that they are taking steps for FOSS. > > > > Best regards. > > Despite the political implications, Fedora is Free Software and is based > on Free Software. As is, Fedora, or any other spin, should be exported > and can reach any single person in the World. Limiting this, from my > point of view, makes no different than just selling and promoting > proprietary software. > > I understand your concerns, but I don't agree with "Distros based on USA > won't send any material to Cuba", if this turns out to be true, I will > not believe in this "Free as in Freedom/Free Software Free Society" > thingy anymore. > > That's just my opinion, of course. This is a good place for me to agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the fedora-marketing-list is not the place to debate this particular issue. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and let's stop this thread here please. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:32:55 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today 2009.12.02 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70902121852n676226edgbb4f2217e45ecd0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <499457B5.8060806@redhat.com> <818ac3c70902121852n676226edgbb4f2217e45ecd0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090213043205.GC30411@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:52:22PM -0500, Kam Salisbury wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Our regularly scheduled weekly meeting will take place today, February > > 12th, 2009. > > > > When: 19.00 UTC, 2pm Eastern Time > > Where: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-meeting > > What: We will continue discussion about consolidating the tasks that we > > need to accomplish on a per-release basis, finalize the f11 schedule and > > hopefully work towards a new organizational and practical process to achieve > > the goals of the marketing team. > > Are there usually meeting minutes or an irc log posted from the meeting? I > cannot usually attend the live meeting due to other IRL comitts. Kam, Absolutely right, every meeting should have minutes and a log posted, because it helps maintain team cohesion. This should be done immediately after the meeting if at all possible, and I'm sure Jack is working on it right now. By the way, we have conversion scripts available (irclog2html is in the Fedora software repository) to make that easier. Ian Weller can advise on the correct place to post minutes if there's any confusion. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Fri Feb 13 07:35:36 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:35:36 +0100 Subject: Meeting Today 2009.12.02 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <20090213043205.GC30411@localhost.localdomain> References: <499457B5.8060806@redhat.com> <818ac3c70902121852n676226edgbb4f2217e45ecd0c@mail.gmail.com> <20090213043205.GC30411@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1234510536.2881.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 23:32 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Absolutely right, every meeting should have minutes and a log posted, > because it helps maintain team cohesion. This should be done > immediately after the meeting if at all possible, and I'm sure Jack is > working on it right now. I'm responsible for this from now on, but my IRC client crashed in the middle of the meeting and I lost the log :/ themayor is supposed to send it to me later today and I'll put it on the wiki. > By the way, we have conversion scripts available (irclog2html is in > the Fedora software repository) to make that easier. Ian Weller can > advise on the correct place to post minutes if there's any confusion. Nice Steven From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 22:26:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:26:26 -0500 Subject: FUDCon F11 video posted -- please digg! Message-ID: <20090213222626.GA28535@localhost.localdomain> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Users_and_Developers_Conference_FUDConnF11 Please digg the story so we can spread the word about how cool an event FUDCon is for all contributors! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From josephsmidt at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 22:38:32 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:38:32 -0800 Subject: FUDCon F11 video posted -- please digg! In-Reply-To: <20090213222626.GA28535@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090213222626.GA28535@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <142682e10902131438y4b972adel9843aff510e8c12d@mail.gmail.com> That video is awesome! Definitely dugg. Joseph Smidt 2009/2/13 Paul W. Frields : > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Users_and_Developers_Conference_FUDConnF11 > > Please digg the story so we can spread the word about how cool an > event FUDCon is for all contributors! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 03:07:15 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:07:15 -0500 Subject: Digg: Red Hat enlists community in fighting patent trolls Message-ID: <20090214030715.GC10170@localhost.localdomain> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Red_Hat_enlists_community_in_fight_against_patent_trolls This is a cool story -- Red Hat's Legal department is taking a play from the open source book, and inviting the community to help fight the patent trolls. Read all about it, and digg it up! I know this isn't 100% Fedora related but it certainly has a potentially massive effect on us and our community (and others as well). -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> References: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> Message-ID: <49970240.7050708@gmail.com> Sutton, Harry (MSE) wrote: > One of our engineers posted a question on an internal mailing list > asking why he was unable to find this release; I can't find it on any of > the mirrors, is this an oversight or an intentional drop of this > architecture? > > /Harry Sutton, RHCA, RHCSS > HP Open Source and Linux Profession Global Lead > Redhat still supports ia64, but as it is not that prominent an architecture for the free community users, there tends to be less focus on this architecture - eg : Fedora and CentOS A humble suggestion : maybe if HP would be as kind as to help the community (1) HP could contribute it's effort of porting to ia64 arch to the open source community directly (2) donating some hardware, as they are the co-inventor/producer of this architecture It will in my opinion speed up development From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 06:54:39 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:24:39 +0530 Subject: State of the Union at Red Hat Message-ID: <49990DAF.1060104@fedoraproject.org> Hi From Jim Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat http://www.press.redhat.com/2009/02/09/state-of-the-union-at-red-hat/ "Hail to the community! Have you downloaded Fedora 10 yet? Tried out JBoss Application Server 5.0.0 GA? The Fedora Project and JBoss.org communities continue to thrive and innovate, providing the technology foundation for Red Hat?s enterprise products. As a loyal Fedora user, I?m always counting down the days as a new release approaches and I look forward to trying out all of the new features. The past year brought many successes on the community front and I can?t wait to see what Fedora and JBoss.org have in store for 2009." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 07:02:18 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:32:18 +0530 Subject: Red Hat Enlists Community in Fight Against Patent Trolls Message-ID: <49990F7A.5060908@fedoraproject.org> Hi Essentially the outcome of this lawsuit will decide if mainstream Linux distributions would be able to continue including the ability to switch between different workspaces (virtual desktops). Keep an eye on this. Blog post from Paul W. Frields, Fedora Project Leader http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1490 Media: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/14/0456258 http://osnews.com/story/20979/Red_Hat_Enlists_Community_in_Fight_Against_Patent_Trolls Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 07:12:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:21 +0530 Subject: Improving Linux GPU Power Management Message-ID: <499911D5.5040807@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA2Mw "Red Hat's Matthew Garrett has actively been working on improving power management with graphics processors via the various open-source X.Org drivers. There is quite a lot of work involved, but at the FOSDEM X.Org meeting he shared an update on his progress. In particular, Matthew is trying to conserve power with the GPU, memory, outputs, and displays. " Rahul From oliver at linux-kernel.at Mon Feb 16 11:39:27 2009 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:39:27 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 for Itanium (IA64) Architecture? In-Reply-To: <49970240.7050708@gmail.com> References: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> <49970240.7050708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999506F.5030202@linux-kernel.at> Tosh wrote: > Sutton, Harry (MSE) wrote: >> One of our engineers posted a question on an internal mailing list >> asking why he was unable to find this release; I can't find it on any of >> the mirrors, is this an oversight or an intentional drop of this >> architecture? >> >> /Harry Sutton, RHCA, RHCSS >> HP Open Source and Linux Profession Global Lead >> > Redhat still supports ia64, but as it is not that prominent an > architecture for the free community users, there tends to be less focus > on this architecture - eg : Fedora and CentOS > > A humble suggestion : maybe if HP would be as kind as to help the community > (1) HP could contribute it's effort of porting to ia64 arch to the open > source community directly > (2) donating some hardware, as they are the co-inventor/producer of this > architecture > It will in my opinion speed up development Same is true for Alpha :-P -of From oliver at linux-kernel.at Mon Feb 16 11:39:27 2009 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:39:27 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 for Itanium (IA64) Architecture? In-Reply-To: <49970240.7050708@gmail.com> References: <4992CD57.4050403@hp.com> <49970240.7050708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999506F.5030202@linux-kernel.at> Tosh wrote: > Sutton, Harry (MSE) wrote: >> One of our engineers posted a question on an internal mailing list >> asking why he was unable to find this release; I can't find it on any of >> the mirrors, is this an oversight or an intentional drop of this >> architecture? >> >> /Harry Sutton, RHCA, RHCSS >> HP Open Source and Linux Profession Global Lead >> > Redhat still supports ia64, but as it is not that prominent an > architecture for the free community users, there tends to be less focus > on this architecture - eg : Fedora and CentOS > > A humble suggestion : maybe if HP would be as kind as to help the community > (1) HP could contribute it's effort of porting to ia64 arch to the open > source community directly > (2) donating some hardware, as they are the co-inventor/producer of this > architecture > It will in my opinion speed up development Same is true for Alpha :-P -of From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 22:21:46 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:51:46 +0530 Subject: FOSDEM Video: Micro Distro Summit Message-ID: <4999E6FA.7020802@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux-magazine.com/linux_magazine_com/online/news/fosdem_video_micro_distro_summit "While the representatives from Debian and Red Hat's Fedora can share philosophies, those from openSUSE and Fedora see more eye to eye on technological terms. The three interviewees discuss in the video what differences they see in their distros, how they can work together and what their organizations can contribute." Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 07:10:49 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:10:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: FOSDEM Video: Micro Distro Summit In-Reply-To: <4999E6FA.7020802@fedoraproject.org> References: <4999E6FA.7020802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://www.linux-magazine.com/linux_magazine_com/online/news/fosdem_video_micro_distro_summit > > "While the representatives from Debian and Red Hat's Fedora can share > philosophies, those from openSUSE and Fedora see more eye to eye on > technological terms. The three interviewees discuss in the video what > differences they see in their distros, how they can work together and > what their organizations can contribute." I'm hidden in the shadows like a free software ninja. :) --Max From affix at FedoraProject.org Tue Feb 17 07:55:06 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:55:06 +0000 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo Message-ID: Hello, I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora In forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 Style Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think of it. A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Hi Keiran, I like it, but it might be nicer to feel the 3D-skew a little bit more, don't you think? -- Take care, Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr http://www.paulmarc.org/ May God Be With You -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 08:00:01 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:30:01 +0530 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/2/17 Keiran Smith : > Hello, > I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora In > forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 Style > Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think of it. > A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. Please have a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Your design does not follow these. Also, the concept is good. You may like to work with the artwork team on this. (cc ed.) Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Kolkata West Bengal India. From affix at FedoraProject.org Tue Feb 17 08:00:26 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:00:26 +0000 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: <920e95a50902162358x63f429absa2c0068b9056936b@mail.gmail.com> References: <920e95a50902162358x63f429absa2c0068b9056936b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would I am still working on it. Thats just the basic concept. I think it suits Fedora However as the Futureistic feel that It shares with the Operating System 2009/2/17 Paul-Marc Bougharios > 2009/2/17 Keiran Smith > >> Hello, >> I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora >> In forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 >> Style Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think >> of it. A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. >> >> -- >> Keiran Smith >> - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - >> - Free Software Foundation Associate - >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > Hi Keiran, > > I like it, but it might be nicer to feel the 3D-skew a little bit more, > don't you think? > > -- > Take care, > Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr > > http://www.paulmarc.org/ > > May God Be With You > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be better if you keep the font size of all alphabets constant. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu ____ Gaurav Prabhu Fedora Ambassador : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Coolg5 Website : http://www.gauravlive.com Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 09:14:42 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:14:42 +0000 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499A8002.1080109@fedoraproject.org> Keiran Smith wrote: > Hello, > I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of > Fedora In forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a > Web2.0 Style Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / > gals think of it. A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a > concept. As Susmit has stated. It may breach the usage guidelines http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Never_Stretch_or_Distort_the_Logo Frank From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Feb 17 09:29:53 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:29:53 +0200 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499A8391.30202@nicubunu.ro> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > 2009/2/17 Keiran Smith: >> Hello, >> I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora In >> forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 Style >> Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think of it. >> A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. > > Please have a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > Your design does not follow these. Beyond the usage guideline violation (sorry to spoil your fun), there is also the motto problem, "infinity | freedom | voice" is obsolete, it is replaced by 4F's "freedom, friends, features, first" > Also, the concept is good. > You may like to work with the artwork team on this. (cc ed.) Yup, join us on the art list. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From affix at FedoraProject.org Tue Feb 17 09:52:18 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:52:18 +0000 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: <499A8391.30202@nicubunu.ro> References: <499A8391.30202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Sure I will join the art list now On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > susmit shannigrahi wrote: > >> 2009/2/17 Keiran Smith: >> >>> Hello, >>> I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora >>> In >>> forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 >>> Style >>> Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think of >>> it. >>> A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. >>> >> >> Please have a look at >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines >> Your design does not follow these. >> > > Beyond the usage guideline violation (sorry to spoil your fun), there is > also the motto problem, "infinity | freedom | voice" is obsolete, it is > replaced by 4F's "freedom, friends, features, first" > > Also, the concept is good. >> You may like to work with the artwork team on this. (cc ed.) >> > > Yup, join us on the art list. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:35:23 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:35:23 -0700 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d4d90c90902170435g4a16baa0u8119adf4e9b20fa8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/17 Keiran Smith > Hello, > I was working on a Forum Signature so I could spread the word of Fedora > In forum Posts. I was working with the Fedora Logo and created a Web2.0 > Style Version of the Logo. I would like to know what you guys / gals think > of it. A few people I have spoken to say it looks good for a concept. > > Hi, Aside from the usage guidelines several others have already mentioned... Other logo overhauls I've seen lately (Intel, Pepsi, Xerox, off the top of my head) certainly are more of a 21st century update, if you will, but what you have is basically the same logo, same fonts, just.... stretched and pulled. It is an interesting concept, but I'm not sure what makes this any more "web 2.0" than the existing logo, or, alternately.... I'm not sure what it is you are trying to convey about the brand/project via the logo. I agree, however, that it would be cool to have a standard template of sorts (if one does not already exist) for bb/forum post signatures. Standard background, fonts, a spot for a picture/avatar/whatever, an appropriate link & tagline, etc. I would speculate that a good deal of potential contributors / users are not so much mailing list users, but possibly more bulletin board posters, if you will, and having something that is well done that people could use as a sig certainly couldn't hurt in efforts to spread the word. But as I said, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here that wouldn't be accomplished by using the standard logo in that situation. My $.02, totally failed art class opinion, :) -Robyn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Feb 17 13:23:40 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:23:40 +0200 Subject: Web 2.0 Logo In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90902170435g4a16baa0u8119adf4e9b20fa8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90902170435g4a16baa0u8119adf4e9b20fa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499ABA5C.3030009@nicubunu.ro> Robyn Bergeron wrote: > > Aside from the usage guidelines several others have already mentioned... > > Other logo overhauls I've seen lately (Intel, Pepsi, Xerox, off the top > of my head) certainly are more of a 21st century update, if you will, > but what you have is basically the same logo, same fonts, just.... > stretched and pulled. It is an interesting concept, but I'm not sure > what makes this any more "web 2.0" than the existing logo, or, > alternately.... I'm not sure what it is you are trying to convey about > the brand/project via the logo. Our logo has pretty much a "classic" look, with a simple shape and limited of colours, as it the best to use in "traditional" media. What is usually called "Web 2.0" logos, are "shiny" logos, using gradients, shadows, a varied palette of colors and complex shapes, something that will works best on the web. (well, our logo is not exactly "classic", is more something in between, we are using 3 colors). The "Web 2.0" logos are usually perceived to be more "cool", more "modern" but also they have a number of downsides, for example the number of colors is a tough constraint for us when designing T-shirts for various events (see for example the FUDCon T-shirts, adding another color would significantly increase the price, so decrease the number of shirts made within the given budget). I would argue our logo is relatively new, so it would be a bad idea to talk about a complete redesign but probably is not harmful to talk about small evolutionary improvements. > I agree, however, that it would be cool to have a standard template of > sorts (if one does not already exist) for bb/forum post signatures. > Standard background, fonts, a spot for a picture/avatar/whatever, an > appropriate link & tagline, etc. I would speculate that a good deal of > potential contributors / users are not so much mailing list users, but > possibly more bulletin board posters, if you will, and having something > that is well done that people could use as a sig certainly couldn't hurt > in efforts to spread the word. I think is possible to create a large number of good looking derivatives (banners, forum signatures, etc.) still using the official logo, foe example have a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners > But as I said, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here that wouldn't > be accomplished by using the standard logo in that situation. I guess is a natural tendency for a designer to play with a graphic and try to "improve" it, just as a hacker will play and "improve" a piece of code. I did myself some "improved" versions of the logo :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From jaa at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 19:00:25 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:00:25 -0500 Subject: IRC LOG of 2009.02.12 Meeting Message-ID: <499B0949.5070408@redhat.com> Hey All, Attached below is the log of the meeting. I am working on getting it up on the wiki as well. Hopefeully from next week, moixs will be able to just post them straight to the wiki with the summary in an email instead of the whole log in the email. The email and everything else that I spoke about is forthcoming... Thanks, Jack 2009-02-12T18:59:50 hey the marketing meeting is in here 2009-02-12T18:59:54 hi 2009-02-12T19:00:03 hey fugolini2 whats up 2009-02-12T19:00:12 fugolini2, you are doing a great work as FAMSCO's leader 2009-02-12T19:00:15 fine, you? 2009-02-12T19:00:21 multiple personality disorder 2009-02-12T19:00:29 Rodrigo_Padula: I'm doing what I can do, in the best way I'm able to do :) 2009-02-12T19:00:30 ;) 2009-02-12T19:00:52 btw, the great from FAmSCo came from the amazing works all of you are doing 2009-02-12T19:01:43 *come 2009-02-12T19:01:47 okay, let the marketing meeting come to order 2009-02-12T19:01:56 sure, sorry for the off-topic 2009-02-12T19:02:05 roll call 2009-02-12T19:02:17 Francesco Ugolini 2009-02-12T19:02:46 Bert Desmet 2009-02-12T19:02:53 *** fugolini has quit IRC 2009-02-12T19:03:22 *** moixs has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:03:40 * Rodrigo_Padula going!! se you guys! 2009-02-12T19:03:46 I'm late, sorry 2009-02-12T19:03:46 *** Rodrigo_Padula has left #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:03:47 okay 2009-02-12T19:03:49 np 2009-02-12T19:03:54 we will give it a few minutes 2009-02-12T19:04:23 I've read Ian would be there 2009-02-12T19:04:40 yeah he said "might" 2009-02-12T19:05:40 we are just waiting on a couple people 2009-02-12T19:06:43 * herlo is here :) 2009-02-12T19:06:51 *** mageshcse has quit IRC 2009-02-12T19:07:22 this meeting will be a great succes again :') 2009-02-12T19:07:23 000000000000. 2009-02-12T19:07:46 lol 2009-02-12T19:08:20 anyway dont worry about it its quality not quantity 2009-02-12T19:08:29 I think the problem is that people don't understand what marketing really is 2009-02-12T19:08:30 heh 2009-02-12T19:08:54 i don't want to say people are stupid, but marketing list sometime could cause that the aim could be hidden 2009-02-12T19:09:19 anyway thats good because thats what i wanted to talk about 2009-02-12T19:10:17 okay great that the wiki is down 2009-02-12T19:10:20 it will let us focus 2009-02-12T19:10:23 *** fugolini1 has quit IRC 2009-02-12T19:10:25 i want to pitch something to you guys 2009-02-12T19:10:31 to hopefully get things back in shape 2009-02-12T19:10:50 okay ready 2009-02-12T19:10:57 let me start by asking you guys a question 2009-02-12T19:11:02 whats wrong with marketing? 2009-02-12T19:11:07 or what do you think is wrong? 2009-02-12T19:11:30 *** herlo changes topic to "Marketing Meeting - Happening Now" 2009-02-12T19:11:34 im not being condesceding i want to pitch something to you guys but i need to know what you think first 2009-02-12T19:12:07 I think there are two big different interested mixed in one list and that cause big confusion 2009-02-12T19:12:14 *interests 2009-02-12T19:12:27 fugolini2: which interests? 2009-02-12T19:12:51 Sorry for my bad wording, btw, I'll try to clean up my toughts 2009-02-12T19:13:05 I don't understand what you mean too :) 2009-02-12T19:13:06 The first interest is marketing planning, with all the connected stuffs 2009-02-12T19:13:59 the second one is general marketing relations, like news catching and PR etc... 2009-02-12T19:14:31 good, yes, you are correct in a certain sensew 2009-02-12T19:14:33 anyone else? 2009-02-12T19:14:40 im just trying to see what is perceived 2009-02-12T19:14:55 * fugolini2 ask all of you to rethink in good english what I mean, I'm sure it's simpler that it seems 2009-02-12T19:14:58 I see te same problem 2009-02-12T19:15:09 No, it's perfectly clear 2009-02-12T19:15:58 themayor: we had our discussion the other day, but I'll reflect my thoughts again if you like 2009-02-12T19:16:05 no thats fine 2009-02-12T19:16:11 because it was the same vein 2009-02-12T19:16:11 k 2009-02-12T19:16:15 yesd 2009-02-12T19:16:22 herlo: not that i dont want your opinion 2009-02-12T19:16:31 *** lcafiero has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:16:32 but at this point we are just restarting stuff 2009-02-12T19:16:34 themayor: but you alread have it :) 2009-02-12T19:16:41 let me ask lcafiero 2009-02-12T19:16:43 * lcafiero sneaks in and sits in the bak 2009-02-12T19:16:43 shhhh 2009-02-12T19:16:56 lcafiero: what can we improve on in marketing 2009-02-12T19:17:14 (look around the room) me? 2009-02-12T19:17:37 yes, just play along 2009-02-12T19:17:39 I think it will be difficult to seperate those 2 things? 2009-02-12T19:17:46 I think that marketing is doing well. We've talked about the meetings in other channels, where I thought they were a little hard to follow for newbs like yours truly 2009-02-12T19:18:36 ah well maybe your greeness hasnt offered much in the way of perspective 2009-02-12T19:18:51 but im glad that someone feels like we are getting something out of it! 2009-02-12T19:18:57 anyway, let me go 2009-02-12T19:19:03 if you guy dont mind, that is 2009-02-12T19:19:06 Well, it doesn't stop me from having opinions, of course, but I think that executing what you plan seems to work 2009-02-12T19:19:19 in this group 2009-02-12T19:19:48 and that's essentially what counts. 2009-02-12T19:20:15 * fugolini2 is starting thinking M-Ls are too dispersive, and sometime, without a good email client you daily life could be complicated 2009-02-12T19:20:27 *** sdziallas has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:20:35 yes 2009-02-12T19:20:48 *** RodrigoPadula has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:21:04 okay so let me tell you guys what i think 2009-02-12T19:21:09 marketing sucks 2009-02-12T19:21:12 its broken 2009-02-12T19:21:16 its down for the count 2009-02-12T19:21:34 but i know why and i think i have a good plan to make things run better and more effeciently 2009-02-12T19:21:39 but how will you get fedora popular without marketing? 2009-02-12T19:21:49 because ambassadors are a part of the marketing team 2009-02-12T19:22:03 and we just need that marketing team I think.. 2009-02-12T19:22:09 yes, i know, hold on, let me get to it 2009-02-12T19:22:14 we have 3 issues 2009-02-12T19:22:54 1. we have no organization of workflow 2009-02-12T19:23:21 what this means is, we have tasks, we have things to accomplish, we get them done, but its very informally tracked 2009-02-12T19:23:31 a task list here, an email there 2009-02-12T19:23:33 nothing solid 2009-02-12T19:23:41 *** moixs_ has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:24:11 my router had the good idea to reboot itself, can you pastebin what you just said themayor ? 2009-02-12T19:24:11 so in other words, tasks, goals and pretty much everything is not well organized 2009-02-12T19:24:19 yes one sec 2009-02-12T19:24:22 * fugolini2 moixs i'll do it 2009-02-12T19:24:47 thanks fugolini2 2009-02-12T19:24:54 okay problem 2 2009-02-12T19:25:35 (I'm in again, agreed) 2009-02-12T19:25:55 2. we dont not have a clear way to delineate responsibility 2009-02-12T19:26:02 *** knurd is now known as knurd_afk 2009-02-12T19:26:03 meaning people pick up tasks at random 2009-02-12T19:26:06 * fugolini2 np 2009-02-12T19:26:08 thats not bad 2009-02-12T19:26:15 we get things done, but the problem there is this 2009-02-12T19:26:33 there is alot of confusion, alot of miscommunication and a lack of communication due to that 2009-02-12T19:26:36 and what happens is this 2009-02-12T19:27:04 people dont do things, not because of laziness, but because they are afraid to step on someones toes 2009-02-12T19:27:17 if you dont know who has the ball, its hard to ask them to pass 2009-02-12T19:27:29 what do you guys think about that? 2009-02-12T19:27:38 theres is 1 more problem by the way 2009-02-12T19:27:39 *** willygarcia_ is now known as willy_willbeback 2009-02-12T19:27:46 I don't think that's true 2009-02-12T19:27:52 go ahead and explain all the problems first :) 2009-02-12T19:27:56 * herlo kind of agrees with biertie 2009-02-12T19:28:14 the laziness isn't the issue at all imo 2009-02-12T19:28:24 I think some people are scared to do something, because they are scared to do something wrong 2009-02-12T19:28:31 themayor: but continue to the last problem... 2009-02-12T19:28:32 or not the way it should be done.. 2009-02-12T19:29:14 *** mcepl has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:29:15 3. we have no way to sync workflow 2009-02-12T19:29:28 marketing comes from 3 places 2009-02-12T19:29:43 ambassadors, art and docs, plus us really 2009-02-12T19:30:05 each of those distinct groups has some part in creating or promoting "messaging" 2009-02-12T19:30:27 right now, marketing is not involved in art, at all 2009-02-12T19:30:33 no should we be 2009-02-12T19:30:38 but they should be involved with us 2009-02-12T19:31:26 because we need to promote whatever their theme they are creating 2009-02-12T19:31:45 docs needs to set the tone of whatever it is they write as well 2009-02-12T19:31:55 and we are responsible for distilling and managing that 2009-02-12T19:32:03 i.e. talking points, feature summary 2009-02-12T19:32:17 etc etc 2009-02-12T19:32:25 I don't want to I don't want to toot my own horn, but aren't 3/4 of your griefs covered by the updated news distribution network proposition? We "only" need to assign people at the right places. 2009-02-12T19:32:53 yes, but its deeper than that, moixs_ the news distribution thing only takes care of press related stuff 2009-02-12T19:33:01 exactly 2009-02-12T19:33:24 the other part I agree with, we lack a good organization to know who does what 2009-02-12T19:33:28 that what i think can be upgraded, does anyone have any feedback on that 2009-02-12T19:33:33 because i have a proposed solution as well 2009-02-12T19:33:44 go ahead :) 2009-02-12T19:33:53 but i would like to hear feedback on the issues at hand first 2009-02-12T19:34:27 * herlo agrees that a well-defined workflow can help people who are afraid of doing something wrong 2009-02-12T19:34:45 I think those point are really interesting and I'm sure working on those one could give a benefit for the whole community 2009-02-12T19:35:09 * herlo also agrees that workflow needs to have intersections with docs, art and ambassadors based upon specific events 2009-02-12T19:35:49 I suspect that themayor has a plan with these things in min 2009-02-12T19:35:50 d 2009-02-12T19:36:13 Part of what I think, is that the release schedule should be our guide. 2009-02-12T19:36:38 my answer is, how you are thinking to make all those 3 things done? For the 3rd point I could say Ambassadors are very interesting to join the process, FAmSCo, for example, is just investigating on what to do to help marketing 2009-02-12T19:36:43 *feedback not answer 2009-02-12T19:36:54 and we should be driving the focused message to the community 2009-02-12T19:37:00 hehe 2009-02-12T19:37:12 okay so heres my plan 2009-02-12T19:37:27 we NEED to move to a release based schedule 2009-02-12T19:37:35 we have a pseudo-calendar 2009-02-12T19:37:57 starting from T-minus 1 month from before the alpha 2009-02-12T19:38:08 and items to hit at each week and month milestone 2009-02-12T19:38:27 those tasks get divided up to people who are noted on the list 2009-02-12T19:38:36 this also makes for clearer comms 2009-02-12T19:38:46 *** moixs has quit IRC 2009-02-12T19:38:59 on our timeline, we include things that need to be coordinated with art, with docs, with ambassadors 2009-02-12T19:39:10 This is an excellent idea, short term goals are always better in project management 2009-02-12T19:39:19 so like pre-alpha we need to talk to art about the theme for the release 2009-02-12T19:39:33 before beta we need to start talking to docs about talking points to give to press 2009-02-12T19:39:38 or maybe thats alpha 2009-02-12T19:39:42 * herlo wants to suggest we don't wait until the F12 release cycle to implement this process. 2009-02-12T19:39:52 no i dont think so either 2009-02-12T19:39:58 we can work our the kinks this time 2009-02-12T19:40:11 and improve each release... 2009-02-12T19:40:26 * fugolini2 agrees with herlo tought too 2009-02-12T19:40:31 this way, if someone asks us at any point in time, what are you doing, who is doing it, who are they working with, we can answer 2009-02-12T19:40:45 * biertie agrees with herlo and themayor 2009-02-12T19:40:48 herlo, working on testing guide, working with docs 2009-02-12T19:40:50 *** warren_ has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:41:13 themayor working on press, talking with red hat pr 2009-02-12T19:41:29 fugolini2 working on talking points, with ambasadors 2009-02-12T19:41:30 *** warren_ is now known as warren 2009-02-12T19:41:32 etc etc 2009-02-12T19:41:40 * herlo thought for a second there he'd been assigned stuff and didn't even know it :) 2009-02-12T19:41:40 and as we hit each milestone we just check it off 2009-02-12T19:41:45 and we know who is responsible 2009-02-12T19:41:55 herlo: lol, no those we examples 2009-02-12T19:42:00 you know its visual 2009-02-12T19:42:05 but I think we should have a 'control' board too :) 2009-02-12T19:42:05 :) nw 2009-02-12T19:42:06 its easy to see and to read and understand 2009-02-12T19:42:14 biertie: how do you mean? 2009-02-12T19:42:18 like governance 2009-02-12T19:42:18 so when a newbe (like me) does a job 2009-02-12T19:42:32 and he screws up.. 2009-02-12T19:43:05 that we notice that fast enough, and set someone else on the job / helps him out / ... 2009-02-12T19:43:11 thats fine thats learning on the job, but a release based process will help us with things like mentors and mentoring like biertie is talking about 2009-02-12T19:43:14 *** JSchmitt has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:43:28 yes, if what we need to get done is clearly defined, its easy for a mentor to work with someone 2009-02-12T19:43:42 Funny enough, all necessary pages on the marketing wiki already exist, except that they are completely unmaintained and outdated :) 2009-02-12T19:43:51 yes 2009-02-12T19:43:55 what i propose is this 2009-02-12T19:44:04 we have marketing/schedule and marketing/schedule/current 2009-02-12T19:44:10 schedule is the template 2009-02-12T19:44:19 where we put down all the tasks, relative dates, etc 2009-02-12T19:44:20 This wiki is half a piece of junk, we should go trough it once and delete half the pages and start with something fresh 2009-02-12T19:44:30 current is the one for this release 2009-02-12T19:44:35 * herlo suggests you call it 'schedule/template' and 'schedule/current' 2009-02-12T19:44:44 or somethign liek that, otherwise it could get confusing 2009-02-12T19:44:44 I think that's a bit difficult moixs_ ;) 2009-02-12T19:45:00 And delete https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule if you do this :) 2009-02-12T19:45:02 moixs_: one day we will go through it and expunge the old stuff 2009-02-12T19:45:13 but not now, too little time and too much to do 2009-02-12T19:45:14 moixs_: deleting pages in the wiki is hard to convince ianweller to do 2009-02-12T19:45:17 lets get back on our feet 2009-02-12T19:45:32 buy what's old? I still know people that run FC5 2009-02-12T19:45:49 no like outdated stuff from marketing he means 2009-02-12T19:45:58 :) 2009-02-12T19:46:04 oh, srry 2009-02-12T19:46:13 *** J5 has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:46:35 okay so does all this stuff sound half-decent 2009-02-12T19:46:49 themayor: you seem to have a pretty clear idea of the milestones we need to reach for a release, it would be a good start to define them. 2009-02-12T19:46:55 it does, absolutely 2009-02-12T19:46:56 hopefully people can see we are making progress and we can get people back on track and to the meetings as well 2009-02-12T19:47:06 yea 2009-02-12T19:47:07 *** soimafreak has joined #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:47:12 moixs_: well i do and i dont, but i need other people to tell me what i miss 2009-02-12T19:47:44 I have just no idea about that...except alpha, beta, RC and GA ;) 2009-02-12T19:47:48 i dont know EVERYTHING marketing needs to do 2009-02-12T19:48:05 yes, those are the milestones, 2009-02-12T19:48:12 then we need to define the tasks around each 2009-02-12T19:48:18 but its no for now 2009-02-12T19:48:19 themayor: I'm sure what you said is just enought to start :) 2009-02-12T19:48:20 themayor: how long will it take to get the schedule up? I think that'll help us get a clearer idea of milestones and start volunteering for duties. Next week too soon? 2009-02-12T19:48:27 no 2009-02-12T19:48:29 ive been working on it 2009-02-12T19:48:34 yay 2009-02-12T19:48:39 i would like to say that it will be up my monday at the latest 2009-02-12T19:48:49 but heres the thing 2009-02-12T19:48:57 right now, today, i need everyones help 2009-02-12T19:49:09 im going to post this pseudo-proposal to the list 2009-02-12T19:49:19 can everyone please comment on it there 2009-02-12T19:49:27 sure 2009-02-12T19:49:28 the only reason i ask is, i want to get more people involved 2009-02-12T19:49:39 especially people who couldnt make it 2009-02-12T19:49:39 ok 2009-02-12T19:49:40 *** willy_willbeback is now known as willygarcia_ 2009-02-12T19:49:47 like ianweller, jonrob, inode0, etc 2009-02-12T19:49:51 ok 2009-02-12T19:49:54 for their benefit 2009-02-12T19:50:15 sounds good... 2009-02-12T19:50:23 No, they worked hard i nthe past, let's screw them over! :p 2009-02-12T19:50:25 i will send the whole things as one proposal, let people talk about it, but people need to comment, because alot of people think the list is dead 2009-02-12T19:50:37 and then we pick up steam 2009-02-12T19:50:40 i will put up the calendar 2009-02-12T19:50:58 and some tasks, people can propose other tasks on the wiki too and make them part of the timeline 2009-02-12T19:51:22 and we start working from there 2009-02-12T19:52:01 at one point, maybe 2 weeks, we invite people from art, ambassadors, docs to the meeting to speak about what we need to sync with them and continue on the list and wiki 2009-02-12T19:52:12 great! 2009-02-12T19:52:21 sounds good! :) 2009-02-12T19:52:27 and we use this starting immediately and keep improving the next few cycles, right? 2009-02-12T19:52:44 it will be good too because we can easily coordinate with poelstra as well 2009-02-12T19:53:55 * moixs_ already has ideas for milestones 2009-02-12T19:53:56 when he has his big release meetings we will be on the ball 2009-02-12T19:54:15 okay so if thats that, and everyone agrees, that will be it, except for one thing 2009-02-12T19:54:40 what? 2009-02-12T19:54:53 thats two action items, jack put up the calendar and everyone else comment on my post to the list 2009-02-12T19:54:57 and one more thing 2009-02-12T19:55:38 can someone volunteer to make some space for the meeting notes on the wiki 2009-02-12T19:56:10 you mean the log? 2009-02-12T19:56:15 yeah 2009-02-12T19:56:23 we have a good system on the comm arch pages 2009-02-12T19:56:32 basically we have a grid for meeting sates 2009-02-12T19:57:14 dates 2009-02-12T19:57:17 and each date is a link 2009-02-12T19:57:38 we have a log sometimes, action items, anything relevant 2009-02-12T19:57:48 I don't have the slightest experience in putting up logs there, but I guess it isn't much more than a copy-paste and throw it in some irc2html script? 2009-02-12T19:58:04 'i think it will be good, alot of people last week were very thankful about the meetings summary because they couldnt be here 2009-02-12T19:58:15 and people will feel less out of the loop 2009-02-12T19:59:25 What's the page it's on? 2009-02-12T19:59:30 *** mcepl has left #fedora-meeting 2009-02-12T19:59:35 for comm arch or for marketing? 2009-02-12T19:59:55 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings ? 2009-02-12T20:00:12 yeah 2009-02-12T20:00:27 it hasnt been taken care of in years, moixs_ are you interested in cleaning that up 2009-02-12T20:00:57 pretty please? 2009-02-12T20:00:59 Ok, I'll do it 2009-02-12T20:01:02 thanks 2009-02-12T20:01:16 Note, i don't have the whole log for this week 2009-02-12T20:02:09 okay so thats the meeting, let me just list again what we need to get done 2009-02-12T20:02:13 Can someone send it to me? 2009-02-12T20:02:30 moixs_: i can send it to you 2009-02-12T20:02:34 moixs at fedoraproject.org, I'll take care of the formating 2009-02-12T20:02:39 thanks 2009-02-12T20:03:14 ok :) 2009-02-12T20:04:02 * fugolini2 is lagged, i'm receiving everything 5mins all the things 2009-02-12T20:04:17 lol? 2009-02-12T20:04:56 So, have a nice evening :) 2009-02-12T20:05:02 you too 2009-02-12T20:05:02 I'm really happy about this meeting 2009-02-12T20:05:45 * moixs_ thinks it's time for some TV and a beer 2009-02-12T20:05:46 me too 2009-02-12T20:06:04 *** moixs_ has quit IRC 2009-02-12T20:06:22 hehe, have fun folks 2009-02-12T20:06:49 ok :) 2009-02-12T20:07:01 *** herlo changes topic to "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule" 2009-02-12T20:07:03 I think too that it was a good meeting, srry I couldn't help much 2009-02-12T20:07:05 Retrieved from "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel" From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 19:16:04 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:16:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: IRC LOG of 2009.02.12 Meeting In-Reply-To: <499B0949.5070408@redhat.com> References: <499B0949.5070408@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Attached below is the log of the meeting. I am working on getting it > up on the wiki as well. Hopefeully from next week, moixs will be able > to just post them straight to the wiki with the summary in an email > instead of the whole log in the email. yum install irclog2html and the whole thing will be a lot easier. There will be 3 minutes of lag between the meeting end and the log being posted. In fact, why isn't it simply a requirement each week that the log is posted within 15 minutes of the meeting's end? That's the rule I've set for myself w/ the EMEA Ambassadors meetings. --Max From jaa at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 21:18:58 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:18:58 -0500 Subject: IRC LOG of 2009.02.12 Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <499B0949.5070408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <499B29C2.7020103@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Attached below is the log of the meeting. I am working on getting it >> up on the wiki as well. Hopefeully from next week, moixs will be >> able to just post them straight to the wiki with the summary in an >> email instead of the whole log in the email. > > yum install irclog2html and the whole thing will be a lot easier. > There will be 3 minutes of lag between the meeting end and the log > being posted. > > In fact, why isn't it simply a requirement each week that the log is > posted within 15 minutes of the meeting's end? > > That's the rule I've set for myself w/ the EMEA Ambassadors meetings. Yup, Steven Moix, a.k.a. moixs on irc has volunteered to take are of the minutes moving further. A really BIG thank you shout out to him! Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 21:26:39 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:26:39 -0800 Subject: IRC LOG of 2009.02.12 Meeting In-Reply-To: <499B29C2.7020103@redhat.com> References: <499B0949.5070408@redhat.com> <499B29C2.7020103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902171326x573fb5qdbf22c0e4cd3f38@mail.gmail.com> Okay, the marketing wiki page is updated to show a February 2009 grid and a link to the 2/12 meeting transcript, which is also a wiki page. Larry Cafiero On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> Attached below is the log of the meeting. I am working on getting it up >>> on the wiki as well. Hopefeully from next week, moixs will be able to just >>> post them straight to the wiki with the summary in an email instead of the >>> whole log in the email. >>> >> >> yum install irclog2html and the whole thing will be a lot easier. 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If you go to the Fedora Project Wiki, you can view all the proposed and accepted features that will be included in the next release. You can also view the completed release schedule, where you will see that Fedora 11 has set an alpha release of 02/03/09, a beta release of 03/24/09, and a final release of 05/26/09. These dates are fairly firm and almost always on target." http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=528 From rharrison at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 07:15:06 2009 From: rharrison at fedoraproject.org (Russell Harrison) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:15:06 -0500 Subject: Fedora Twitters In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70902080445m4f0cbb0at9519828d58dc030f@mail.gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70902070512q31461a72sbdcc502aa19eb9b6@mail.gmail.com> <498E4470.30709@gmail.com> <818ac3c70902080445m4f0cbb0at9519828d58dc030f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130902172315s7ba93a56o3a22f17550c3d3c5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/8 Kam Salisbury : > > Thanks Michael! I will check identi.ca out (I have never used it but heard > it talked about on Linux Outlaws). > > What I think is the best about the Twitter stream is the variety of people > beginning to follow Fedora. From artists to engineers, there seems to be no > absolute demographic. Its a great thing. You can set up an identi.ca account to post updates to a twitter account as well. The advantage here is that you can post all updates on identi.ca and they'll show up on both networks automatically. Double the coverage with the same effort! Russell From joe at khrum-productions.org Wed Feb 18 13:51:27 2009 From: joe at khrum-productions.org (Joseph Bouqdib) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:51:27 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Joseph Bouqdib Message-ID: <499C125F.3000408@khrum-productions.org> Hi, My name is Joseph Bouqdib and I live in Bremen, Germany. I am an apprentice web- and platform application developer at a company called maralis in Bremen. I want to help bring Fedora to the mass in what ever way I can and later on i would like to join in making software. I hope to see more people in Bremen that contribute to the Fedora project. I do not have any official qualifications yet but will in the near future. My level of marketing is probably not that high at the moment but i have a good way of talking and changing peoples minds. Other skills that might help: - writing, directing, shooting and editing films - customer service Good day to you all, Joseph Bouqdib From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 19:28:11 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:28:11 -0500 Subject: REMINDER Meeting Tomorrow, 2009.02.19 @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <499C614B.3@redhat.com> Hey All, This is the early reminder for the meeting which will take place at 19.00 UTC (2PM EST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I would like to re-stress the importance of attending the meetings, especially now since we are on the heels of the F11 Beta, there is alot to get done, many cool new projects and we can use everyones help. See you all there, Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 19:37:08 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:37:08 -0800 Subject: REMINDER Meeting Tomorrow, 2009.02.19 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <499C614B.3@redhat.com> References: <499C614B.3@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902181137v5e0a456cg848668984d1d6c1b@mail.gmail.com> Jack -- This is Thursday, right? If so, I'll be on the road (with quaid) on the way to SCaLE. But I'll look at the logs when they're posted. Sorry I won't be around. 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Please note, I am looking to solicit feedback on this, this isnt like a dictatorial edict or anything, just one man's thoughts. As it stands right now, Fedora Marketing is very strong. I make that statement based on the character of all those involved and the quality of the discussions which we have. There is a perceived weakness however, which many attribute to lack of communication. The truth is, I think that any weakness which exists, whether its lack of organization or the relatively low amount of traffic on the mailing list I attribute to an inefficient workflow. So I ask myself, and everyone else, maybe there is alot of room for improvement and a maybe its just a few small steps we can take that can have us running at max efficiency? There are 3 main areas in which we can improve: 1. Better organization and workflow - we know what we need to do, just that often times we don't know when. Also, records and methods of tracking are sufficient, sub-optimally efficient. 2. Better and clearer delegation of tasks - we know what we need to do, just that often times, we don't know who is responsible for it. A large problem with this also is that some people refrain from picking up certain tasks because they assume it belongs to someone are afraid to step on toes. 3. Better coordination with other sub projects and project groups - part of marketings goal relies on 3 other groups, ambassadors, art and docs. There are ample opportunities for improving communication, coordination and collaboration with these three teams, to ensure that we get done what we need to get done and that they get done what they need to get done which requires input from us. The proposed solution: A better, calendar based, workflow! The reality is that our workflow is cyclical in nature, it is based on a release schedule and we have mostly the same, or a majority of similar tasks/milestones that need to be done for each release. If we shift our current workflow and task tracking to a similar scheme, it may be easier for us to stay on top of things and operate more efficiently. It also allows us to have clear "due dates" for each item, and have it clearly marked with an owner. Right off the bat I see us knocking out two of our major issues. Plus, clarity when it comes to responsibility and accountability will facilitate better communications amongst ourselves. Also, I propose that part of this schedule system includes 2-3 meetings with members of the other relevant projects, and this way, anything that hinges on us for them, or them on us, will be clearly defined, we achieve mutual understanding, and can delegate those tasks to people in Marketing. So for example, we start out at T-Minus 6 weeks from the alpha, have everything necessary from that until the alpha on a grid marked with a task, date, owner. Same for Beta, same for GA. A Good example can be found at John Poelstra's Schedule Pages found here http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ . Also, this should all be kept under https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current release is. A little bit of refactoring might do us alot of good, but we all need each other's feedback and each other's help, as a team and as a community! What do you guys think? Jack From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu Feb 19 03:57:17 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:57:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora Marketing on Social Networks Message-ID: <818ac3c70902181957y7ef1de16q16eab18da105ad15@mail.gmail.com> Status Update... Subscribing under the name "Fedora" or similar for the purpose of spreading announcement and other relevant marketing information via social network media. Plan = (x = completed) Subscribe to... x Twitter.com x identi.ca x OpenID _ facebook.com _ Document posting to social networks process _ Script posting process if possible *I know there are other social networks, please let me know which others would be relevant to our mission (marketing)? For example, myspace.com is primarily music oriented versus software development. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have talked faster :) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Feb 19 10:31:43 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:31:43 +0200 Subject: Fosdem Max's video In-Reply-To: References: <499D1396.1090706@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: <499D350F.20305@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Pierre-Yves wrote: > >> The only problem is that the file is around 1.7Go so maybe it could be >> compressed a bit more so that Totem could read it a bit more easily :) > > 1.7G!!! I should have talked faster :) The file size scare me for a download so I didn't watch it, but at 1.7GB it should be a HD video so we can examine all the wrinkles on Max's face... Seriously, probably the video should be re-encoded and then seeded from http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 14:59:09 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:59:09 -0800 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090219145909.GC23094@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:18:02PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Also, this should all be kept under > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing > /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current > release is. Just a note that this fakey-nesting is deprecated under our page naming guidelines. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure Natural language page names, e.g. [[Marketing schedule for F10]], are easier to translate, easier to find via search, and less exclusive. Fakey-nesting requires each community member to learn the hierarchy, which are not consistent across Fedora sub-projects. Since we're restarting the Marketing, we might want to take the chance to clean-up, rename, and categorize key pages to make them work better under MediaWiki. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, and I absolutely agree. Are there any wiki masters amongst us that would be willing to sit and do session or two cleaning up the wiki. I would help, but I'm definitely not the best person to take the lead on this one... Jack From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 15:51:38 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:51:38 -0800 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <20090219145909.GC23094@calliope.phig.org> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> <20090219145909.GC23094@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20090219155138.GD23094@calliope.phig.org> Sorry, I should have included an overall "+1" to the plan. Makes good sense, follows known Fedora practices, builds well for the future, etc. Thus, I had only one note to make about the page naming, quite trivial in comparison. :) On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 06:59:09AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:18:02PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > Also, this should all be kept under > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing > > /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current > > release is. > > Just a note that this fakey-nesting is deprecated under our page > naming guidelines. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure > > Natural language page names, e.g. [[Marketing schedule for F10]], are > easier to translate, easier to find via search, and less exclusive. > Fakey-nesting requires each community member to learn the hierarchy, > which are not consistent across Fedora sub-projects. > > Since we're restarting the Marketing, we might want to take the chance > to clean-up, rename, and categorize key pages to make them work better > under MediaWiki. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > AD0E0C41 > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A large problem > with this also is that some people refrain from picking up certain tasks > because they assume it belongs to someone are afraid to step on toes. > 3. Better coordination with other sub projects and project groups - part of > marketings goal relies on 3 other groups, ambassadors, art and docs. There > are ample opportunities for improving communication, coordination and > collaboration with these three teams, to ensure that we get done what we > need to get done and that they get done what they need to get done which > requires input from us. [another snip here] A solid plan. Takes learning from the best parts of the project and re-applies them to a part that required a helmsman. +1 to world domination ! -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 19 16:01:40 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:01:40 +0100 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > What do you guys think? > > Jack As I just said during the meeting, I totally agree with the points moved by you: they clearly underline the situation and propose possible solution to move ahead. I think Marketing should really focus on these points and should work together (involving the wider part of the project) on them. >From the other project collaboration, I can assure that Ambassadors (and, surely, FAmSCo) will cooperate to achieve the goals. As it was said by someone during the meeting, we should start working as soon as it could be possible, in order to not have those great ideas dispersed. Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 16:03:35 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:03:35 -0500 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <499D7C4C.4050105@redhat.com> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> <20090219145909.GC23094@calliope.phig.org> <499D7C4C.4050105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090219160335.GI18190@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:35:40AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:18:02PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> >>> Also, this should all be kept under >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing >>> /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current >>> release is. >>> >> >> Just a note that this fakey-nesting is deprecated under our page >> naming guidelines. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure >> >> Natural language page names, e.g. [[Marketing schedule for F10]], are >> easier to translate, easier to find via search, and less exclusive. >> Fakey-nesting requires each community member to learn the hierarchy, >> which are not consistent across Fedora sub-projects. >> >> Since we're restarting the Marketing, we might want to take the chance >> to clean-up, rename, and categorize key pages to make them work better >> under MediaWiki. >> > That's great feedback man. Thanks, and I absolutely agree. Are there > any wiki masters amongst us that would be willing to sit and do session > or two cleaning up the wiki. I would help, but I'm definitely not the > best person to take the lead on this one... This particular facet of wiki usage is not too difficult, fortunately -- use English for page names, not slashes. I just corrected a few pages linked from the [[Marketing]] page; it's pretty easy to do. Just check "What links here" on the side for a page you're going to rename, making sure that you correct all the main namespace ones. I typically don't change links on users' personal pages or translated pages when I move a page name. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It also allows us to have clear "due dates" > for each item, and have it clearly marked with an owner. Right off the > bat I see us knocking out two of our major issues. Plus, clarity when it > comes to responsibility and accountability will facilitate better > communications amongst ourselves. Also, I propose that part of this > schedule system includes 2-3 meetings with members of the other relevant > projects, and this way, anything that hinges on us for them, or them on > us, will be clearly defined, we achieve mutual understanding, and can > delegate those tasks to people in Marketing. > > So for example, we start out at T-Minus 6 weeks from the alpha, have > everything necessary from that until the alpha on a grid marked with a > task, date, owner. Same for Beta, same for GA. A Good example can be > found at John Poelstra's Schedule Pages found here > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ . > > Also, this should all be kept under > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing > /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current > release is. +1 to Karsten's suggestion. Make sure we're following the wiki guidelines for pages so that when someone searches, they get what they need to participate. As for the overall solution, IMHO the schedule for release-based tasks does need to be coordinated with the other teams on the release calendar, so +1 to that. I thought this was something the group had more or less agreed at a previous meeting, but I could be wrong. If we do have consensus, then we need to see real dates pronto and start dealing with concrete "to do" items. Maybe set a time limit on discussion of the plan in today's meeting, and then move on to turning it into action items that can be assigned and achieved. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 19 16:52:33 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:52:33 +0100 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <20090219160449.GJ18190@localhost.localdomain> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> <20090219160449.GJ18190@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1235062353.14181.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 11:04 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > +1 to Karsten's suggestion. Make sure we're following the wiki > guidelines for pages so that when someone searches, they get what they > need to participate. > > As for the overall solution, IMHO the schedule for release-based tasks > does need to be coordinated with the other teams on the release > calendar, so +1 to that. > > I thought this was something the group had more or less agreed at a > previous meeting, but I could be wrong. If we do have consensus, then > we need to see real dates pronto and start dealing with concrete "to > do" items. Maybe set a time limit on discussion of the plan in > today's meeting, and then move on to turning it into action items that > can be assigned and achieved. Yes, we agreed on this schedule during the last meeting, for the people who were there. As a goal for today's meeting I propose to update our schedule page with all the important milestones and sub-tasks. At least for the next month or so... About the wiki cleanup, I also propose to take another meeting to cleanup most of the page, I frankly think that half of them can be deleted for good as they are pretty much very outdated and not maintained. It's useless for us and gives a bad image of the marketing group in general, don't you think? Steven From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 17:07:24 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:07:24 -0500 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.02.19 @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <499D91CC.7060804@redhat.com> Hey All, Please join us for our regularly scheduled meeting. When: Today, the 19th of February, 2009 @ 19.00 UTC/2PM Eastern ST/11AM Pacific ST Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net What: Ongoing discussion regarding new calendar based schedule-tracking system and work on the calendar itself. See you all there! Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 19 17:16:46 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:16:46 +0100 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235063806.16908.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 18:18 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > Over the past few weeks, some of us have been diligently working on a > number of projects on the marketing front. As many of you know, and as > many of you have participated, I have over the last two weeks been > talking to many of us, privately, trying to poll the crowd and see what > those amongst us thought were the best areas for improvement and/or > optimization of the marketing team. Based on that feedback, I've > developed this proposal which lays out those key areas, identifies what > can be improved upon and how we can go about doing it. The solution > pretty much encompasses everything, so I'll just present the 3 key > issues and then what I think is the best course forward. Please note, I > am looking to solicit feedback on this, this isnt like a dictatorial > edict or anything, just one man's thoughts. > > As it stands right now, Fedora Marketing is very strong. I make that > statement based on the character of all those involved and the quality > of the discussions which we have. There is a perceived weakness > however, which many attribute to lack of communication. The truth is, I > think that any weakness which exists, whether its lack of organization > or the relatively low amount of traffic on the mailing list I attribute > to an inefficient workflow. So I ask myself, and everyone else, maybe > there is alot of room for improvement and a maybe its just a few small > steps we can take that can have us running at max efficiency? > > There are 3 main areas in which we can improve: > > 1. Better organization and workflow - we know what we need to do, just > that often times we don't know when. Also, records and methods of > tracking are sufficient, sub-optimally efficient. > 2. Better and clearer delegation of tasks - we know what we need to do, > just that often times, we don't know who is responsible for it. A large > problem with this also is that some people refrain from picking up > certain tasks because they assume it belongs to someone are afraid to > step on toes. > 3. Better coordination with other sub projects and project groups - part > of marketings goal relies on 3 other groups, ambassadors, art and docs. > There are ample opportunities for improving communication, coordination > and collaboration with these three teams, to ensure that we get done > what we need to get done and that they get done what they need to get > done which requires input from us. > > The proposed solution: > > A better, calendar based, workflow! The reality is that our workflow is > cyclical in nature, it is based on a release schedule and we have mostly > the same, or a majority of similar tasks/milestones that need to be done > for each release. If we shift our current workflow and task tracking to > a similar scheme, it may be easier for us to stay on top of things and > operate more efficiently. It also allows us to have clear "due dates" > for each item, and have it clearly marked with an owner. Right off the > bat I see us knocking out two of our major issues. Plus, clarity when > it comes to responsibility and accountability will facilitate better > communications amongst ourselves. Also, I propose that part of this > schedule system includes 2-3 meetings with members of the other relevant > projects, and this way, anything that hinges on us for them, or them on > us, will be clearly defined, we achieve mutual understanding, and can > delegate those tasks to people in Marketing. > > So for example, we start out at T-Minus 6 weeks from the alpha, have > everything necessary from that until the alpha on a grid marked with a > task, date, owner. Same for Beta, same for GA. A Good example can be > found at John Poelstra's Schedule Pages found here > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ . > > Also, this should all be kept under > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing > /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current > release is. > > A little bit of refactoring might do us alot of good, but we all need > each other's feedback and each other's help, as a team and as a community! > > What do you guys think? > Right now, I could see something like this as a starting structure: Milestones, based on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule: FUDCon: * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have motivated people * Cleanup the wiki from the obsolete marketing cycles * Cycle the wiki pages to the new release Alpha Release: * Assign marketing people to Fedora features/developers for the rest of the cycle * Assign marketing people to SIGs for the rest of the cycle Feature Freeze: * Update the features page * Update the talking points Beta Release: * Developer interviews on the coming release? Preview Release (artwork is generally done at this point): * Update the screenshots page * Update the Fedora tour page Final Release: * Spam the world * Have a beer From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 17:21:48 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:21:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fosdem Max's video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 2009/2/19 Max Spevack : > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Pierre-Yves wrote: > >> The only problem is that the file is around 1.7Go so maybe it could be >> compressed a bit more so that Totem could read it a bit more easily :) > > 1.7G!!! ?I should have talked faster :) Video compression is sorta like an animated cartoon. The more movement there is, namely, the more changes, the more data that needs to be recorded. If the background is relatively static, then the video can be compressed to a smaller size. 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More to come tomorrow in 2 separate mails. Have a nice day Steven From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 21:27:19 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: New Meeting Time Message-ID: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> Let the discussion commence... It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and to rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 19 21:54:37 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:54:37 +0100 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235080477.25354.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 16:27 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Let the discussion commence... > > It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and > to rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will > enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is > so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... > > Jack > For me it's good from 17h UTC to 21h UTC Steven From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu Feb 19 22:32:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:32:00 -0500 Subject: New Meeting Time Message-ID: <499dde19.0437560a.6e0f.ffffb62a@mx.google.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Moix Subj: Re: New Meeting Time Date: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:55 pm Size: 593 bytes To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 16:27 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Let the discussion commence... > > It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and > to rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will > enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is > so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... > > Jack > For me it's good from 17h UTC to 21h UTC Steven -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list For me its 20:00 to 21:30 UTC on most days. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From bert at devnox.be Thu Feb 19 22:43:58 2009 From: bert at devnox.be (bert at devnox.be) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:43:58 +0100 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7419c38377e94f29788bc70368556b16@mail.crsolutions.be> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If a different time is better and will > enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is > so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... > > Jack > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Meeting_availability_times -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:49:38 -0500 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <1235063806.16908.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> <1235063806.16908.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090220134938.GH6979@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 06:16:46PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 18:18 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Over the past few weeks, some of us have been diligently working on a > > number of projects on the marketing front. As many of you know, and as > > many of you have participated, I have over the last two weeks been > > talking to many of us, privately, trying to poll the crowd and see what > > those amongst us thought were the best areas for improvement and/or > > optimization of the marketing team. Based on that feedback, I've > > developed this proposal which lays out those key areas, identifies what > > can be improved upon and how we can go about doing it. The solution > > pretty much encompasses everything, so I'll just present the 3 key > > issues and then what I think is the best course forward. Please note, I > > am looking to solicit feedback on this, this isnt like a dictatorial > > edict or anything, just one man's thoughts. > > > > As it stands right now, Fedora Marketing is very strong. I make that > > statement based on the character of all those involved and the quality > > of the discussions which we have. There is a perceived weakness > > however, which many attribute to lack of communication. The truth is, I > > think that any weakness which exists, whether its lack of organization > > or the relatively low amount of traffic on the mailing list I attribute > > to an inefficient workflow. So I ask myself, and everyone else, maybe > > there is alot of room for improvement and a maybe its just a few small > > steps we can take that can have us running at max efficiency? > > > > There are 3 main areas in which we can improve: > > > > 1. Better organization and workflow - we know what we need to do, just > > that often times we don't know when. Also, records and methods of > > tracking are sufficient, sub-optimally efficient. > > 2. Better and clearer delegation of tasks - we know what we need to do, > > just that often times, we don't know who is responsible for it. A large > > problem with this also is that some people refrain from picking up > > certain tasks because they assume it belongs to someone are afraid to > > step on toes. > > 3. Better coordination with other sub projects and project groups - part > > of marketings goal relies on 3 other groups, ambassadors, art and docs. > > There are ample opportunities for improving communication, coordination > > and collaboration with these three teams, to ensure that we get done > > what we need to get done and that they get done what they need to get > > done which requires input from us. > > > > The proposed solution: > > > > A better, calendar based, workflow! The reality is that our workflow is > > cyclical in nature, it is based on a release schedule and we have mostly > > the same, or a majority of similar tasks/milestones that need to be done > > for each release. If we shift our current workflow and task tracking to > > a similar scheme, it may be easier for us to stay on top of things and > > operate more efficiently. It also allows us to have clear "due dates" > > for each item, and have it clearly marked with an owner. Right off the > > bat I see us knocking out two of our major issues. Plus, clarity when > > it comes to responsibility and accountability will facilitate better > > communications amongst ourselves. Also, I propose that part of this > > schedule system includes 2-3 meetings with members of the other relevant > > projects, and this way, anything that hinges on us for them, or them on > > us, will be clearly defined, we achieve mutual understanding, and can > > delegate those tasks to people in Marketing. > > > > So for example, we start out at T-Minus 6 weeks from the alpha, have > > everything necessary from that until the alpha on a grid marked with a > > task, date, owner. Same for Beta, same for GA. A Good example can be > > found at John Poelstra's Schedule Pages found here > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ . > > > > Also, this should all be kept under > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule with trailing > > /releasever and an anchor from that main page to whatever the current > > release is. > > > > A little bit of refactoring might do us alot of good, but we all need > > each other's feedback and each other's help, as a team and as a community! > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > Right now, I could see something like this as a starting structure: > > Milestones, based on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule: > > FUDCon: > * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have > motivated people > * Cleanup the wiki from the obsolete marketing cycles > * Cycle the wiki pages to the new release > > Alpha Release: > * Assign marketing people to Fedora features/developers for the rest of > the cycle > * Assign marketing people to SIGs for the rest of the cycle > > Feature Freeze: > * Update the features page > * Update the talking points > > Beta Release: > * Developer interviews on the coming release? > > Preview Release (artwork is generally done at this point): > * Update the screenshots page > * Update the Fedora tour page * Hold joint meeting with FAMSCo or Ambassadors en masse to make sure they understand talkign points? > Final Release: > * Spam the world I'd add: * Monitor community news sites to provide corrections or additional info as needed * Contact independent journos or podcasters for followup > * Have a beer -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 13:52:24 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:52:24 -0500 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 06:30:21PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:27:19PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Let the discussion commence... > > > > It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and > > to rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will > > enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is > > so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... > > > > Jack > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Meeting_availability_times This is a useful page from Ian. But as we discovered literally years ago in this project, it's generally too hard to get meeting times decided like this. Jack, copy this page to a new page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Meeting_matrix Then everyone can fill in their available times. It's not too hard on each person to do that, and then it's much easier to look at the chart and figure out which times are appealing to the majority of active people. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:57:16 -0500 Subject: Marketing schedule template In-Reply-To: <1235136498.8998.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235136498.8998.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090220135716.GJ6979@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:28:18PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > Hello, > > As discussed in the IRC meeting, one of the goals for next week is to > complete the marketing schedule template located on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_template. As soon as > we have a somewhat complete page, we'll adapt it for the Fedora 11 cycle > and put it on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule > (currently the template is displayed there). This will probably happen > during the next meeting. > > So I want EVERYONE to add tasks to each milestone, be creative! I added some input here based on my last email. Also, I'd like to ask that we attach dates to these tasks, i.e. number of days before or after a particular phase. If we want to acheive a schedule-based task list, we need to set up date targets. Add draft dates to this list, and then we have something to start with at meetings, rather than trying to start the discussion from scratch during a meeting. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 14:34:54 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:34:54 -0500 Subject: Wiki pages renaming In-Reply-To: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:54:37PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > Hello, > > I started cleaning up and renaming the wiki pages in the Marketing > section, but I have some questions... > > 1) Is someone responsible for updating > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_contributors ? Couldn't we pull > this list automatically from FAS somehow? > > 2) Do we still need this page or can it be archived? > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards > > In a more general sense, how do we manage old pages? I flagged a > duplicate page for deletion, but for other pages, do we create an > "Archive" section and rename the pages to "Marketing archive pagename"? Pages can be moved to the Archive: namespace, but if a page is so old that it's not worth saving, you can put the template {{old}} at the top so it's flagged for later consideration for deletion. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From laubersm at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 20 15:51:37 2009 From: laubersm at fedoraproject.org (Susan Lauber) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:51:37 -0500 Subject: Wiki pages renaming In-Reply-To: <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/2/20 Paul W. Frields > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:54:37PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I started cleaning up and renaming the wiki pages in the Marketing > > section, but I have some questions... > > > > 1) Is someone responsible for updating > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_contributors ? Couldn't we pull > > this list automatically from FAS somehow? > > > > 2) Do we still need this page or can it be archived? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards > > > > In a more general sense, how do we manage old pages? I flagged a > > duplicate page for deletion, but for other pages, do we create an > > "Archive" section and rename the pages to "Marketing archive pagename"? > > Pages can be moved to the Archive: namespace, but if a page is so old > that it's not worth saving, you can put the template {{old}} at the > top so it's flagged for later consideration for deletion. > Just in case Paul's move to Archive: namespace is not clear for everyone (it took me a bit as a noob) Take the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards Which is known to mediawiki as Marketing rewards Use the move tab and make the new name Archive:Marketing rewards The guide [1] says to also use an archive category. Some groups are putting these files in a Category: archive others are not bothering. Archive: is not searched by default but can easily be searched if you need to find something. If you think you will reference them some, but don't want them in a default search for users, you will want a category as a shortcut to finding them all at once. Archive and redirection are strongly preferred over deletion [2] Thanks for doing this cleanup work! -Susan (wiki-gardener) [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion general: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_policy > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Susan Lauber, (RHCX, RHCA, RHCSS) Lauber System Solutions, Inc. http://www.laubersolutions.com gpg: 15AC F794 A3D9 64D1 D9CE 4C26 EFC3 11C2 BFA1 0974 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 20 17:43:48 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:43:48 -0500 Subject: Marketing schedule template In-Reply-To: <20090220135716.GJ6979@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235136498.8998.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090220135716.GJ6979@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <499EEBD4.4080600@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I added some input here based on my last email. Also, I'd like to ask > that we attach dates to these tasks, i.e. number of days before or > after a particular phase. If we want to acheive a schedule-based task > list, we need to set up date targets. Add draft dates to this list, > and then we have something to start with at meetings, rather than > trying to start the discussion from scratch during a meeting. > Yup, that should be what is being done. I'm going to start working on that as soon as I'm done adding the meeting matrix to the wiki and putting up a blog post. Everyone else should do so as well and then we can discuss the finalized thing at the meeting next week. Jack From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 20 19:28:41 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <499F0469.7010906@redhat.com> Okay all, please go here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix and add your initials when you are available. I hope to have this done by tuesday so that we can have a new time set and have the announcement go out on time, as usual... Jack Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 06:30:21PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:27:19PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >>> Let the discussion commence... >>> >>> It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and >>> to rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will >>> enable more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is >>> so that we can have the meeting at that time next week... >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Meeting_availability_times >> > > This is a useful page from Ian. > > But as we discovered literally years ago in this project, it's > generally too hard to get meeting times decided like this. > > Jack, copy this page to a new page: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Meeting_matrix > > Then everyone can fill in their available times. It's not too hard on > each person to do that, and then it's much easier to look at the chart > and figure out which times are appealing to the majority of active > people. > > From francesco at ephisia.org Fri Feb 20 19:31:01 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:31:01 +0100 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Let the discussion commence... > > It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and to > rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will enable > more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is so that we > can have the meeting at that time next week... > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Everyday except Thusday, from 17.00 UTC to 19.00 UTC Regards Francesco Ugolini From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 20 19:32:55 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:32:55 -0500 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <499F0567.7070600@redhat.com> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Let the discussion commence... >> >> It's really important for us to be organized now with this new setup and to >> rally around the meetings. If a different time is better and will enable >> more people to not miss out, then let's figure out when that is so that we >> can have the meeting at that time next week... >> >> Jack >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> > > Everyday except Thusday, from 17.00 UTC to 19.00 UTC > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > lol, lmao... either way, Francesco, can you please add it to the grid? Thanks, Jack From francesco at ephisia.org Fri Feb 20 19:37:19 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:37:19 +0100 Subject: New Meeting Time In-Reply-To: <499F0567.7070600@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <499F0567.7070600@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> > > lol, lmao... either way, Francesco, can you please add it to the grid? > > Thanks, > Jack Sorry I'm just back and I read only the first mail of the thread. I'll do this. Regards Francesco Ugolini From jaa at redhat.com Fri Feb 20 21:49:36 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:49:36 -0500 Subject: This Weekend? Message-ID: <499F2570.8090607@redhat.com> Hey Guys, Yesterdays meeting was great. Alot of positive energy and we have been accomplishing a lot lately. Here are a list of things that we can try to tackle over the weekend, for those of us who find some time: * Add your name to the meeting matrix so we can establish a new time for the meetings: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix * Continue to add things to the release calendar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule * It might be good for us to have this new schedule look like what poelstra has, with an added column for owner: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ * Take what JonRob has on his page and start to fold that, using the new template into the schedule for f11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule * Continue to discuss things on the list and brainstorm great ideas. Great, great work the last couple of weeks, lets keep it going. We have a lot of great energy, you guys make me proud to be involved in this! Jack From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 22:25:08 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:25:08 -0500 Subject: Wiki pages renaming In-Reply-To: References: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090220222508.GA24461@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:51:37AM -0500, Susan Lauber wrote: > > Just in case Paul's move to Archive: namespace is not clear for everyone (it > took me a bit as a noob) > Take the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards > Which is known to mediawiki as Marketing rewards > Use the move tab and make the new name Archive:Marketing rewards > > The guide [1] says to also use an archive category. Some groups are putting > these files in a Category: archive others are not bothering. > Archive: is not searched by default but can easily be searched if you need > to find something. > If you think you will reference them some, but don't want them in a default > search for users, you will want a category as a shortcut to finding them all > at once. > > Archive and redirection are strongly preferred over deletion [2] > > Thanks for doing this cleanup work! > > -Susan (wiki-gardener) > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion > > general: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_policy Wonderful job clarifying my post, Susan -- thank you very much! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 22:25:49 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:25:49 -0500 Subject: Proposal: The New Fedora Marketing In-Reply-To: <1235062353.14181.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499C972A.5010801@redhat.com> <20090219160449.GJ18190@localhost.localdomain> <1235062353.14181.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090220222549.GC24461@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 05:52:33PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 11:04 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > +1 to Karsten's suggestion. Make sure we're following the wiki > > guidelines for pages so that when someone searches, they get what they > > need to participate. > > > > As for the overall solution, IMHO the schedule for release-based tasks > > does need to be coordinated with the other teams on the release > > calendar, so +1 to that. > > > > I thought this was something the group had more or less agreed at a > > previous meeting, but I could be wrong. If we do have consensus, then > > we need to see real dates pronto and start dealing with concrete "to > > do" items. Maybe set a time limit on discussion of the plan in > > today's meeting, and then move on to turning it into action items that > > can be assigned and achieved. > > Yes, we agreed on this schedule during the last meeting, for the people > who were there. As a goal for today's meeting I propose to update our > schedule page with all the important milestones and sub-tasks. At least > for the next month or so... > > About the wiki cleanup, I also propose to take another meeting to > cleanup most of the page, I frankly think that half of them can be > deleted for good as they are pretty much very outdated and not > maintained. It's useless for us and gives a bad image of the marketing > group in general, don't you think? Agreed, a clean set of wiki pages is a great sign of an active and thriving community. The Docs Project is doing similar cleanups, to clean away cruft. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 04:25:56 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:25:56 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book Message-ID: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> stabus report/slight rant time now -- it looks long but please read :) 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. In the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just can't upload them to the wiki yet. 2) As far as I'm concerned we'll be using Lightning Source Inc. (LSI) for publishing. It'll be on-demand, woo. We've yet to make a decision on whether to print color or grayscale pages, and what page size we want (I think I'm leaning towards 8.5" square). Any objectors should reply to this email. 3) I have no clue how we're getting initial funding. I made some original contacts with gregdek and spevack but I'm so confused about it. Somebody who knows what they're talking about with relation to this (community architecture, etc) please reply to this message or to me personally. 4) The original plan of publishing four of these books at the very start seems to be getting... less and less feasible per day. Right now I'm at the idea of publishing one, 80-page book and selling that. We can get at least 200 photos in there (more than one per page). Understanding that we got about 20 or so photos from the wonderful Mo Duffy at FUDConF11, this will make the target much more feasible. 5) We've got a great number of volunteers on our wiki page[1] but we could still use more regional photographers. Keep in mind that if you own a nice camera (generally a D-SLR) and you might have extra time we'd absolutely love you to volunteer as a regional photographer. 6) Does anybody know what we do to convert bitmap images to CMYK with free software? 7) Are there any currently unanswered questions people have? [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 04:27:11 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:27:11 -0600 Subject: Wiki pages renaming In-Reply-To: <20090221042144.GK24461@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> <20090221040947.GB31788@gmail.com> <20090221042144.GK24461@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090221042711.GD31788@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:21:44PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:09:47PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:34:54AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > but if a page is so old > > > that it's not worth saving > > > > > No such thing, unless the page can actually cause harm. > > Looking at a few pages in my User: namespace, I beg to differ! :-D > User: pages are an exception. File a ticket at fh.o/fedora-wiki -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:54:37PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I started cleaning up and renaming the wiki pages in the > Marketing > > section, but I have some questions... > > > > 1) Is someone responsible for updating > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_contributors ? > Couldn't we pull > > this list automatically from FAS somehow? > > > > 2) Do we still need this page or can it be archived? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards > > > > In a more general sense, how do we manage old pages? I > flagged a > > duplicate page for deletion, but for other pages, do we > create an > > "Archive" section and rename the pages to "Marketing archive > pagename"? > > > Pages can be moved to the Archive: namespace, but if a page is > so old > that it's not worth saving, you can put the template {{old}} > at the > top so it's flagged for later consideration for deletion. > > Just in case Paul's move to Archive: namespace is not clear for > everyone (it took me a bit as a noob) > Take the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards > Which is known to mediawiki as Marketing rewards > Use the move tab and make the new name Archive:Marketing rewards > > The guide [1] says to also use an archive category. Some groups are > putting these files in a Category: archive others are not > bothering. Archive: is not searched by default but can easily be > searched if you need to find something. > If you think you will reference them some, but don't want them in a > default search for users, you will want a category as a shortcut to > finding them all at once. > > Archive and redirection are strongly preferred over deletion [2] > > Thanks for doing this cleanup work! > > -Susan (wiki-gardener) > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion > > general: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_policy You are reading in my mind. I was looking at the wiki structure page and asking myself the exact question you answered :) Steven From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Feb 21 12:40:21 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:40:21 +0100 Subject: This Weekend? In-Reply-To: <499F2570.8090607@redhat.com> References: <499F2570.8090607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235220021.6613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:49 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Yesterdays meeting was great. Alot of positive energy and we have been > accomplishing a lot lately. Here are a list of things that we can try > to tackle over the weekend, for those of us who find some time: > > * Add your name to the meeting matrix so we can establish a new time for > the meetings: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix > * Continue to add things to the release calendar: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule > * It might be good for us to have this new schedule look like what > poelstra has, with an added column for owner: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ > * Take what JonRob has on his page and start to fold that, using the new > template into the schedule for f11: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule > * Continue to discuss things on the list and brainstorm great ideas. > > Great, great work the last couple of weeks, lets keep it going. We have > a lot of great energy, you guys make me proud to be involved in this! > > Jack > Hi, I worked for around 4h this morning to clean up the wiki and renaming pages to the new wiki syntax: * Some pages were partially rewritten to clear up the content * Some pages were merged to avoid an unnecessary content fragmentation * Some pages were archived because they were too old or too clumsy. Every pertinent content was transfered to other pages. For the archived pages, I created an [[Category:Marketing archive]] category and moved them to the Archive: namespace. Youcan see them on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_archive I also had some problems, or pages I didn't update at the moment. these ones are still in my todo list: These pages seem useful but really need updating, any volunteers?: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations Is this really our job? Do we want to continue and put effort in this page? I'd like to archive it. Too much effort for too little. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials Isn't this the art group's job? These pages are useful to us: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_banners https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_posters https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster Conflicting or redundant items, we need to decide how to merge them...: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_material Our Press Contacts section https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews Merge https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule The most critical point are the conflicting items, I'll think of a good solution in the following days. Steven From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:08:08 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:08:08 -0600 Subject: This Weekend? In-Reply-To: <1235220021.6613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499F2570.8090607@redhat.com> <1235220021.6613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090221140808.GA17645@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 01:40:21PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > Hi, > > I worked for around 4h this morning to clean up the wiki and renaming > pages to the new wiki syntax: [snip] > > The most critical point are the conflicting items, I'll think of a good > solution in the following days. > This is exactly what wiki gardening is about. Thank you so much, and keep up the good work! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before sending this one, I want to know if I could send it, because you had the lead on this one. I don't want to take your task, but I had time and I was thinking to not overtask you. Regards Francesco Ugolini From dbpatankar at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 19:58:47 2009 From: dbpatankar at gmail.com (Digvijay Patankar) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:28:47 +0530 Subject: Proposal announce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please go ahead On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi, > > if you agree I've prepared a official answer for the Inactive > Ambassadors discussion. Before sending this one, I want to know if I > could send it, because you had the lead on this one. > > I don't want to take your task, but I had time and I was thinking to > not overtask you. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco at ephisia.org Sat Feb 21 20:02:02 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:02:02 +0100 Subject: Proposal announce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/2/21 Digvijay Patankar : > Please go ahead > Ops wrong list :D Regards Francesco Ugolini From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Feb 21 20:19:09 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:19:09 +0100 Subject: This Weekend? In-Reply-To: <1235220021.6613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499F2570.8090607@redhat.com> <1235220021.6613.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1235247549.10876.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 13:40 +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > Isn't this the art group's job? These pages are useful to us: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_banners > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_posters > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster Ok, I archived the two first pages because they have the exact same ones (only better) in the Art group, I linked to them instead. I also updated the marketing statistics poster but there seems to be an issue with the wiki cache probably...when updating the svg file, a mix of the old and new file are displayed. Any clue on that? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Marketing_StatisticsPoster_stats-poster.svg Steven From affix at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 22 09:47:00 2009 From: affix at fedoraproject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:47:00 +0000 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A05987.8050007@fetzig.org> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A05987.8050007@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <498e315d0902220147p4015a616qa6f3d5a9672c267a@mail.gmail.com> I have an Image of my Guitar Headstock. The headstock has the Fedora Logo on it. Would it be ok to submit that. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Felix Kaechele wrote: > On Sat Feb 21 2009 05:25:56 GMT+0100 (CET) Ian Weller wrote: > >> 6) Does anybody know what we do to convert bitmap images to CMYK with >> free software? >> > > Ever tried Cinepaint? Here's a Tutorial: > http://www.behrmann.name/cms/cinepaint/bildbearbeitung/cinepaint_ccorrection.html > > HTH, > Felix > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 00:09:31 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:09:31 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <498e315d0902220147p4015a616qa6f3d5a9672c267a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A05987.8050007@fetzig.org> <498e315d0902220147p4015a616qa6f3d5a9672c267a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090223000931.GA13210@gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 09:47:00AM +0000, Keiran Smith wrote: > I have an Image of my Guitar Headstock. The headstock has the Fedora Logo on > it. Would it be ok to submit that. > I don't see why not, once we start accepting uploads. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From affix at FedoraProject.org Mon Feb 23 07:18:24 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:18:24 +0000 Subject: fedora 8 & 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I will ship out the Instalation media Would you prefer i686 or x86_64. DVD or CD. Once you give me the information I require I shal ship out some CDs/DVDs to you. 2009/2/22 Nikhil Gupta > Respected Sir/Madam, > > I am Nikhil Gupta. I require the Fedora 8 & Fedora 9 for my project . > Can you please send me the copy of the two cd's > My address is > > Nikhil Gupta > 68/3 13 Hardyal Road > Jalandhar Cantt , Punjab > India > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Feb 23 08:53:13 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:53:13 +0200 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A263F9.4000504@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > stabus report/slight rant time now -- it looks long but please read :) > > 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. In > the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have > their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and > Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just > can't upload them to the wiki yet. I am sorry to say this, but I feel this process is kind of bogus. One thing we learned from FOSS is that license proliferation is a bad thing and on the same line of thought, why Release Forms proliferation would be a good thing? Using the NIH syndrome is not in the FOSS spirit. Is hard for me to understand what is the problem if I get a generic release form for "any media and any purpose" and contribute it under CLA and an accepted license. > 2) As far as I'm concerned we'll be using Lightning Source Inc. (LSI) > for publishing. It'll be on-demand, woo. We've yet to make a decision > on whether to print color or grayscale pages, and what page size we > want (I think I'm leaning towards 8.5" square). Any objectors should > reply to this email. The decision about colors and page size would be in direct relation with the next point, initial funding. > 3) I have no clue how we're getting initial funding. I made some > original contacts with gregdek and spevack but I'm so confused about > it. Somebody who knows what they're talking about with relation to > this (community architecture, etc) please reply to this message or to > me personally. Which is the amount of money needed? I am sure that if we can put together a god looking PDF format of the book it would be easier to get help with the funding. > 4) The original plan of publishing four of these books at the very start > seems to be getting... less and less feasible per day. Right now I'm > at the idea of publishing one, 80-page book and selling that. We can > get at least 200 photos in there (more than one per page). > Understanding that we got about 20 or so photos from the wonderful Mo > Duffy at FUDConF11, this will make the target much more feasible. Count on at least the same amount from various photographers at the Brno FUDCon. > 5) We've got a great number of volunteers on our wiki page[1] but we > could still use more regional photographers. Keep in mind that if you > own a nice camera (generally a D-SLR) and you might have extra time > we'd absolutely love you to volunteer as a regional photographer. I think we can count on at least 4 or 5 photographers in EU and a couple from India, just launch the project... > 6) Does anybody know what we do to convert bitmap images to CMYK with > free software? I don't have first hand experience with this, but from what I understand Scribus is all we need - http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Category:HOWTO > 7) Are there any currently unanswered questions people have? > > [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Feb 23 14:52:47 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:52:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > 3) I have no clue how we're getting initial funding. I made some > original contacts with gregdek and spevack but I'm so confused about > it. Somebody who knows what they're talking about with relation to > this (community architecture, etc) please reply to this message or to > me personally. CommArch is happy to provide the initial funding. I think the first estimate was under $3k, if I remember correctly? I'm trying to finalize my team's Q1 budget in the next week, and I'd like to earmark funds for the picture book in that budget allocation. If there's an updated estimate, please let me know. > 7) Are there any currently unanswered questions people have? More thoughts later -- I have a meeting in a few minutes. --Max From jaa at redhat.com Mon Feb 23 15:18:07 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:18:07 -0500 Subject: Wiki pages renaming In-Reply-To: <1235205550.4016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235138077.9261.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090220143454.GA20305@localhost.localdomain> <1235205550.4016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49A2BE2F.6050304@redhat.com> Wow awesome job on this you guys, I've just going through everything now, and it looks amazing! Jack Steven Moix wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 10:51 -0500, Susan Lauber wrote: > >> 2009/2/20 Paul W. Frields >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:54:37PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I started cleaning up and renaming the wiki pages in the >> Marketing >> > section, but I have some questions... >> > >> > 1) Is someone responsible for updating >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_contributors ? >> Couldn't we pull >> > this list automatically from FAS somehow? >> > >> > 2) Do we still need this page or can it be archived? >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards >> > >> > In a more general sense, how do we manage old pages? I >> flagged a >> > duplicate page for deletion, but for other pages, do we >> create an >> > "Archive" section and rename the pages to "Marketing archive >> pagename"? >> >> >> Pages can be moved to the Archive: namespace, but if a page is >> so old >> that it's not worth saving, you can put the template {{old}} >> at the >> top so it's flagged for later consideration for deletion. >> >> Just in case Paul's move to Archive: namespace is not clear for >> everyone (it took me a bit as a noob) >> Take the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_rewards >> Which is known to mediawiki as Marketing rewards >> Use the move tab and make the new name Archive:Marketing rewards >> >> The guide [1] says to also use an archive category. Some groups are >> putting these files in a Category: archive others are not >> bothering. Archive: is not searched by default but can easily be >> searched if you need to find something. >> If you think you will reference them some, but don't want them in a >> default search for users, you will want a category as a shortcut to >> finding them all at once. >> >> Archive and redirection are strongly preferred over deletion [2] >> >> Thanks for doing this cleanup work! >> >> -Susan (wiki-gardener) >> >> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure >> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion >> >> general: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_policy >> > > You are reading in my mind. I was looking at the wiki structure page and > asking myself the exact question you answered :) > > Steven > > > From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 16:07:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:07:43 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090223160743.GL4370@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:25:56PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > stabus report/slight rant time now -- it looks long but please read :) > > 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. In > the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have > their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and > Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just > can't upload them to the wiki yet. Yup, Spot and I are keeping after Legal -- they are working on a number of issues for us and this is but one of them. This shouldn't need to be a blocker on most of the project, but I definitely understand that until we have these forms we may be at a standstill for the actual pictorial content. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 21:37:21 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:37:21 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A263F9.4000504@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A263F9.4000504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090223213719.GD3032@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:53:13AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> stabus report/slight rant time now -- it looks long but please read :) >> >> 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. In >> the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have >> their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and >> Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just >> can't upload them to the wiki yet. > > I am sorry to say this, but I feel this process is kind of bogus. One > thing we learned from FOSS is that license proliferation is a bad thing > and on the same line of thought, why Release Forms proliferation would > be a good thing? Using the NIH syndrome is not in the FOSS spirit. > > Is hard for me to understand what is the problem if I get a generic > release form for "any media and any purpose" and contribute it under > CLA and an accepted license. > I have been told that we must wait on release forms from RH Legal before we upload pictures to the wiki. The temporary release forms we got from spot for FUDCon were for that specific FUDCon only -- also what I've been told. I hate to see how we're mostly blocking on this too for pictorial content but as Paul said later down this thread they're getting on Legal. I trust that they'll have them done soon. I also agree that a generic release form under the CLA would be wonderous. However I am not The Powers That Be. :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 00:09:38 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:09:38 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A33894.5090901@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A263F9.4000504@nicubunu.ro> <20090223213719.GD3032@gmail.com> <49A33894.5090901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090224000937.GA3178@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:00:20PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> I have been told that we must wait on release forms from RH Legal before >> we upload pictures to the wiki. The temporary release forms we got from >> spot for FUDCon were for that specific FUDCon only -- also what I've >> been told. >> > Max or anyone else, > > Can anyone confirm and/or deny that this is the reality of the > situation. Otherwise, we should go ahead and start setting up the > mechanisms for people to upload while we wait. > I pinged spot on IRC but he hasn't responded yet. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:30:55 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:30:55 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A33894.5090901@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A263F9.4000504@nicubunu.ro> <20090223213719.GD3032@gmail.com> <49A33894.5090901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090224133055.GC15044@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:00:20PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> I have been told that we must wait on release forms from RH Legal before >> we upload pictures to the wiki. The temporary release forms we got from >> spot for FUDCon were for that specific FUDCon only -- also what I've >> been told. >> > Max or anyone else, > > Can anyone confirm and/or deny that this is the reality of the situation. > Otherwise, we should go ahead and start setting up the mechanisms for > people to upload while we wait. Yes, it's correct. -- Paul W. 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I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. > In the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have > their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and > Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just > can't upload them to the wiki yet. I said this to Jack on the phone yesterday, and I'll repeat it here. Let's route around this. You could conceivably layout an entire book with stubs of certain photos that you want in certain places without actually having any of those photos. Selecting the actual photo and getting a release form could be the *last* thing that we do and doesn't have to be the first. I say let's move this project ahead. Jack, do we have a roadmap for all the things that are needed to make this project happen yet? Let's get it up on the wiki page and then work off of it. "When doubts abound, route around!" --Max From jaa at redhat.com Tue Feb 24 17:36:41 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:36:41 -0500 Subject: Proped New Meeting Time? In-Reply-To: References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> <499F0469.7010906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > Mon 21:00 UTC > > Tue 21:00 UTC > > Thu 21:00 UTC Okay guys, of these, which works best? Would we rather have the meeting earlier in the week so we have time to work on stuff or do we want to keep it Thursday? Jack From francesco at ephisia.org Tue Feb 24 19:15:08 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:15:08 +0100 Subject: Proped New Meeting Time? In-Reply-To: <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> <499F0469.7010906@redhat.com> <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: >> >> Mon 21:00 UTC >> >> Tue 21:00 UTC >> >> Thu 21:00 UTC > > Okay guys, of these, which works best? Would we rather have the meeting > earlier in the week so we have time to work on stuff or do we want to keep > it Thursday? > > Jack > The avaiability I gave were different, I could stay in IRC from another time (you can see this in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix). BTW, no problem, I'll read the Meeting Summary (or IRC Log if the first will not available) and I'll post comment on it. Regards Francesco Ugolini From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 23:08:55 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:08:55 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 04:32:50PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > >> 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. >> In the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have >> their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and >> Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just >> can't upload them to the wiki yet. > > I said this to Jack on the phone yesterday, and I'll repeat it here. > Let's route around this. You could conceivably layout an entire book > with stubs of certain photos that you want in certain places without > actually having any of those photos. Selecting the actual photo and > getting a release form could be the *last* thing that we do and doesn't > have to be the first. > Sounds good. If anybody has any mockups they wanna go for, please submit them. Or any ideas at all for page design. I'm all ears :D > I say let's move this project ahead. Jack, do we have a roadmap for all > the things that are needed to make this project happen yet? Let's get > it up on the wiki page and then work off of it. > I've got a roadmap in my head somewhere without any dates on it. From what I've learned in the past few months on this list, here's what I envision, in some sort of vague order: * Approve mockup of page designs * Compile images and stories * Place images and stories in book * Proof stories for typography and content * Pressure FPL to write foreword * Approve photo placement * Create index of people in back * Other last-minute checks * CMYK-ify PDFs * Publish * ??? * Profit! No way in hell we're getting this done by F11 so F12 Beta is my target for being published right now. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Feb 25 07:38:34 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:38:34 +0200 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A4F57A.4090205@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > If anybody has any mockups they wanna go for, please submit > them. Or any ideas at all for page design. I'm all ears :D Start with the final decision about page size and also get a decision about black and white versus full color. > No way in hell we're getting this done by F11 so F12 Beta is my target > for being published right now. That is a long time... but I believe the milestone for collecting images is soon enough so we can count on photos from the Berlin FUDCon (late June) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Feb 25 09:32:43 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:32:43 +0100 Subject: Proped New Meeting Time? In-Reply-To: <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> <499F0469.7010906@redhat.com> <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235554363.5656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 12:36 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > Mon 21:00 UTC > > > > Tue 21:00 UTC > > > > Thu 21:00 UTC > Okay guys, of these, which works best? Would we rather have the meeting > earlier in the week so we have time to work on stuff or do we want to > keep it Thursday? > > Jack Just chose one time and impose it to us, that's why we completed the matrix :p Steven From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Feb 25 12:38:22 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:38:22 +0100 Subject: Wiki schedule and task list Message-ID: <1235565502.7021.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello all, I branched off the marketing schedule template [1] for the current F11 release [2]. Owners and dates were added, we'll fill it during the next meeting i think. You may notice that I also linked the general task list from there [3], this is intended for tasks that are not release-dependent. It looks a bit outdated to me at the moment. One thing keeps me from finishing the wiki cleanup now: how do we want to distribute our news? If we look at Jonrob's notes [4], there is a task for lay press contacts. This is clearly conflicting with the news distribution network proposition. My proposition is the following: * We set the marketing group as responsible people for the English contacts. This way we can "control" primary websites and coordinate our efforts with Red Hat for the big announcements. What do you think about this? I'd like to have it fixed before tomorrow's meeting so we can really go on with the important work. Thanks Steven 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_template 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_and_task_list 3: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks 4: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/Marketing_schedule_notes 5: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:00:39 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:00:39 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090225140039.GB19287@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 05:08:55PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > I've got a roadmap in my head somewhere without any dates on it. From > what I've learned in the past few months on this list, here's what I > envision, in some sort of vague order: > > * Approve mockup of page designs > * Compile images and stories > * Place images and stories in book > * Proof stories for typography and content > * Pressure FPL to write foreword Heh, very little pressure required -- glad to do it. > * Approve photo placement > * Create index of people in back > * Other last-minute checks > * CMYK-ify PDFs > * Publish > * ??? > * Profit! > > No way in hell we're getting this done by F11 so F12 Beta is my target > for being published right now. The way I see it, this is very much a team-driven project with a fungible time line. Many teams tend to similarly have two kinds of projects -- those that are release-driven, backed by a repeatable (sometimes improving process, and those that are team-driven and are "done when they're done." -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 14:46:06 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:46:06 -0500 Subject: Wiki schedule and task list In-Reply-To: <1235565502.7021.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235565502.7021.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49A559AE.8000108@redhat.com> Steven Moix wrote: > Hello all, > > I branched off the marketing schedule template [1] for the current F11 > release [2]. Owners and dates were added, we'll fill it during the next > meeting i think. > > You may notice that I also linked the general task list from there [3], > this is intended for tasks that are not release-dependent. It looks a > bit outdated to me at the moment. > > One thing keeps me from finishing the wiki cleanup now: how do we want > to distribute our news? If we look at Jonrob's notes [4], there is a > task for lay press contacts. This is clearly conflicting with the news > distribution network proposition. My proposition is the following: > > * We set the marketing group as responsible people for the English > contacts. This way we can "control" primary websites and coordinate our > efforts with Red Hat for the big announcements. > > What do you think about this? I'd like to have it fixed before > tomorrow's meeting so we can really go on with the important work. > > Steven, Thank you so very much, for everything. The truth is, I think both models can work well, but I am willing to try the distribution network idea for a release or two and see how it goes. In theory, it could be more efficient. If everyone agrees, I think we can go ahead with it. What does everyone think? Jack From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 14:49:42 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:49:42 -0500 Subject: Proped New Meeting Time? In-Reply-To: <1235554363.5656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499DCEB7.2000808@redhat.com> <20090220003021.GA3254@gmail.com> <20090220135224.GI6979@localhost.localdomain> <499F0469.7010906@redhat.com> <49A43029.4000704@redhat.com> <1235554363.5656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49A55A86.6000002@redhat.com> Okay so the new meeting time will be Tuesday at 21.00 UTC. We will still have a meeting this week, because there is much to discuss, and then again on Tuesday which will give us the weekend to follow up on things. I'll send out a new announce. Jack Steven Moix wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 12:36 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Max Spevack wrote: >> >>> Mon 21:00 UTC >>> >>> Tue 21:00 UTC >>> >>> Thu 21:00 UTC >>> >> Okay guys, of these, which works best? Would we rather have the meeting >> earlier in the week so we have time to work on stuff or do we want to >> keep it Thursday? >> >> Jack >> > > Just chose one time and impose it to us, that's why we completed the > matrix :p > > Steven > > From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 14:50:43 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:50:43 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A4F57A.4090205@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> <49A4F57A.4090205@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49A55AC3.1090504@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> >> If anybody has any mockups they wanna go for, please submit >> them. Or any ideas at all for page design. I'm all ears :D > > Start with the final decision about page size and also get a decision > about black and white versus full color. It has to be full color. I don't think B&W will do us justice... Jack From axelilly at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:50:42 2009 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:50:42 -0500 Subject: Fosdem Max's video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are there any plans to re-encode this video into a smaller size? -- Jason 'axelilly' Fenner GTalk: axelilly at gmail.com 2009/2/19 Yaakov Nemoy > 2009/2/19 Max Spevack : > >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Pierre-Yves wrote: >> >> The only problem is that the file is around 1.7Go so maybe it could be >>> compressed a bit more so that Totem could read it a bit more easily :) >>> >> >> 1.7G!!! I should have talked faster :) >> > > Video compression is sorta like an animated cartoon. The more movement > there is, namely, the more changes, the more data that needs to be recorded. > If the background is relatively static, then the video can be compressed to > a smaller size. > > I'm afraid that putting on and taking off the red hat increased the size of > the video heavily. > > -Yaakov > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 14:53:55 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:53:55 -0500 Subject: REMINDER: MEETING TOMORROW 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, This is the early reminder for tomorrow's meeting. This is the last meeting we will have at this time, as we will switch over to Tuesday nights at 21.00UTC, since that seems to be more convenient for us all. Tomorrow is as scheduled, continue to work on the calendar. Now that everything is solidified, we will work mostly on figuring out who is doing what for F11. See you tomorrow, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 25 17:21:09 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:51:09 +0530 Subject: Nouveau Becomes Default Driver in Fedora 11 Message-ID: <49A57E05.4020706@fedoraproject.org> Hi Submitted this story http://osnews.com/story/21033/Nouveau_Becomes_Default_Driver_in_Fedora_11 "Among the many new features for Fedora 11, a newly added one is Nouveau becoming the default driver for Nvidia cards in Rawhide. Nouveau is an effort to create a completely free and open source 3D driver for Nvidia cards. Fedora 7 originally included this driver installed but not enabled by default. Red Hat recently hired Ben Skeggs, one of the primary Nouveau developers and Nouveau driver has been accepted by the Fedora Engineering team to be the default driver for Nvidia cards with the legacy nv driver as a fallback option. Nouvaeu already supports more chipsets, RANR 1.1 support, Accelerated XRENDER, Textured Video support for many cards that are not covered by the nv driver which has been hampered by a lot of obfuscated code as well. Phoronix has other details." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 25 17:26:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:56:05 +0530 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark Message-ID: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Two things: 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora 10. Should we look into this? http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-nears.html "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses a system to measure active installations that check the update repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use." Rahul From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Feb 25 17:46:56 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:46:56 +0100 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49A58410.3080507@kanarip.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Two things: > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? Yes. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 17:52:06 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:52:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > * Approve mockup of page designs > * Compile images and stories > * Place images and stories in book > * Proof stories for typography and content > * Pressure FPL to write foreword > * Approve photo placement > * Create index of people in back > * Other last-minute checks > * CMYK-ify PDFs > * Publish > * ??? > * Profit! My only experience with anything like this is being the editor of my high school's news "magazine" which was about 90 pages long and came out 4 times a year. We had a layout process that involved having a mockup of every single page that started out as a description of what would be on the page. Each page had an owner responsible for the content for the page, and the mockup was slowly updated as content came in. There was a team that made sure that layout felt consistent across the whole thing -- not that every page is exactly the same, but that there's a consistent look and feel. There was a team that was in charge of editing and finalizing content as it came in, giving the consitent voice to the final product. What Ian is suggesting feels pretty similar to that. === Let's start by drawing a line in the sand of the Meeting on Tuesday March 10th. Where do we want the picture book to be by then? Let's assume the book is 100 pages. I'd suggest that we have a list that describes every single page in the format given above, from the front cover to the back cover. === > No way in hell we're getting this done by F11 so F12 Beta is my target > for being published right now. Some of Marketing's deadlines are tied to a release, and some are tied to "whenever they are done". This is in the latter category. --Max From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Feb 25 17:54:02 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:54:02 +0100 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1235584442.3858.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Two things: > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? > 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora > 10. Should we look into this? > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-nears.html > > "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, > and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses > a system to measure active installations that check the update > repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use." The stats are from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics but the methodology got changed since F9. Hard to say what is true :) Steven From linux at blogmethat.net Wed Feb 25 18:49:50 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49A592CE.6050807@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Two things: > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? > 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora > 10. Should we look into this? > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-nears.html > > > "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, > and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses > a system to measure active installations that check the update > repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use." > > Rahul > Very good news I love seeing Fedora rise in use numbers :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmlks4ACgkQh7SjI2F18kNBTwP/VZG+SraHTAvgClXvKjOANK7H 8HlaiD/ZXstiOFqLXAAPay1748ykDIyIGcH8oOhnziZkjT//t0oBxs4EhsItY/Wx xb0xMfi0+T9J0ynaUgQg8D9af6AH9DbyrgAxx7Tu6AGqUmdiDoI0mqXZw+fNyiEe OngC3xh/xznVqC/6AUg= =Q9zS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pablobarrera at proyectofedora.org Wed Feb 25 19:14:37 2009 From: pablobarrera at proyectofedora.org (Pablo Barrera) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:14:37 -0200 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <49A58410.3080507@kanarip.com> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> <49A58410.3080507@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1235589277.7198.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > : > > > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? This will happen when Fedora reachs the Long Term Support, until this day will be for others outside community a beta testing distro concept.... This is the only thing that fedora needs to become a "non Red Hat child" IMHO P. From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:29:33 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:29:33 -0800 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <1235589277.7198.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> <49A58410.3080507@kanarip.com> <1235589277.7198.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902251129r19220a9dxe77f754fcf79f45b@mail.gmail.com> That may be, Pablo, but if the reporter/journalist wants to be accurate, s/he will call it just "Fedora." Larry Cafiero On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Pablo Barrera < pablobarrera at proyectofedora.org> wrote: > > : > > > > > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? > > This will happen when Fedora reachs the Long Term Support, until this > day will be for others outside community a beta testing distro > concept.... > > This is the only thing that fedora needs to become a "non Red Hat child" > > IMHO > > P. > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Where do we want the picture book to be by then? > > Let's assume the book is 100 pages. I'd suggest that we have a list that > describes every single page in the format given above, from the front cover > to the back cover. > > === > >> No way in hell we're getting this done by F11 so F12 Beta is my target for >> being published right now. > > Some of Marketing's deadlines are tied to a release, and some are tied to > "whenever they are done". This is in the latter category. So back in my undergraduate days, I did *exactly this job* for NCSU periodicals. I produced the John Donne Journal (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/jdj/) for a number of years. We used Pagemaker for layout. Can I presume that we will be using Scribus? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:21:18 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:21:18 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <1235584442.3858.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> <1235584442.3858.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090225202118.GK26027@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 06:54:02PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Two things: > > > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? Yes, politely and consistently, by pointing out: Fedora is released by a community of contributors, which includes volunteers and Red Hat employees. Red Hat sponsors the project and provides substantial engineering support, but a great deal of the work for each release, including bug fixing, packaging, translation, documentation, artwork, and other work is done in partnership by the entire community." > > 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora > > 10. Should we look into this? > > > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-nears.html > > > > "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, > > and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses > > a system to measure active installations that check the update > > repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use." > > The stats are from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics but the > methodology got changed since F9. Hard to say what is true :) To which methodology are you referring? There is a slight difference in the way that yum update stats are gathered. But I've added a row for that metric that shows the difference between the "mixed" version and the "new" version of the number gathering method, which is minimal. Let's also keep in mind that these numbers -- IP address checkins for updates are cumulative over time. Fedora 8 has had about 16 months to gather statistics, Fedora 9 has had about 9 or so, and Fedora 10 has had 3 months. Similarly with many of the other statistics. It's much better to draw a line between the same point in time for each release, and if you look at the current statistics, for example, Fedora 10 is *outpacing* Fedora 9 updates for the same period in time (12 weeks after release), by about 15%, which is quite substantial. -- Paul W. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lisahoover at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:36:26 2009 From: lisahoover at gmail.com (Lisa Hoover) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:36:26 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark In-Reply-To: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A57F2D.2080207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7a2761170902251236x22809b84kdb8a72187ca7103@mail.gmail.com> For what it's worth, it drives me nuts too. :-) http://twitter.com/LisaH/status/1250731663 Lisa Hoover On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Two things: > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? > 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora 10. > Should we look into this? > > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-nears.html > > "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, and > is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses a > system to measure active installations that check the update repositories in > order to determine how many installations are in use." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 21:18:41 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:18:41 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <20090224230855.GA20217@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090225211841.GA2949@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 03:05:25PM -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > So back in my undergraduate days, I did *exactly this job* for NCSU > periodicals. I produced the John Donne Journal > (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/jdj/) for a number of years. > > We used Pagemaker for layout. Can I presume that we will be using > Scribus? > Yes. But anything that is done in Inkscape or high-res enough in the GIMP can easily be imported in so no worries about using those for mockups right now. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All of the PDFs I got from LSI via Doug Berry are stored here: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ It mentions that we can get a color-interior paperback at the size 8.5" by 8.5". I can't quite remember my cost estimate but it's somewhere in the archives for this list. Are there any objections whatsoever to having a paperback book of this size and a color interior? In related news, last call for suggestions on any other publishing companies or any other things that LSI now offers. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Confusing terms like Open Source with Free Software, Digital break with Telecenters Concept, is a common mistake from Journalist. I think that the mistakes comes from a common issue called " The Community Edition of Red Hat". This is the first concept that must be removed. An official communication from FAMSCO to all the known press sources, attaching i.e the Max spevack comments around that Fedora is not a Beta of Red Hat, could clarify the situation. its true Larry, journalists comits mistakes, anyway...is better to read a Fedora ( a RPM based distro) that Red Hat fork, so far :) So long term support is the definitive solution to that :) Regards P. From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 01:52:47 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:47 -0800 Subject: REMINDER: MEETING TOMORROW 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> References: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49A5F5EF.5040608@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > This is the early reminder for tomorrow's meeting. This is the last > meeting we will have at this time, as we will switch over to Tuesday > nights at 21.00UTC, since that seems to be more convenient for us all. > > Tomorrow is as scheduled, continue to work on the calendar. Now that > everything is solidified, we will work mostly on figuring out who is > doing what for F11. > Is there a task list with explicit dates and task dependencies? If there is I can add it to taskjuggler like all the other teams. John From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 03:52:56 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:52:56 -0800 Subject: Marketing Guide Message-ID: <49A61218.6000303@redhat.com> Might be some good ideas for us here: http://contribute.mozilla.org/Marketing John From jaa at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 06:05:11 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:05:11 -0500 Subject: REMINDER: MEETING TOMORROW 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49A5F5EF.5040608@redhat.com> References: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> <49A5F5EF.5040608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49A63117.5050606@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Hey Everyone, >> >> This is the early reminder for tomorrow's meeting. This is the last >> meeting we will have at this time, as we will switch over to Tuesday >> nights at 21.00UTC, since that seems to be more convenient for us all. >> >> Tomorrow is as scheduled, continue to work on the calendar. Now that >> everything is solidified, we will work mostly on figuring out who is >> doing what for F11. >> > > Is there a task list with explicit dates and task dependencies? If > there is I can add it to taskjuggler like all the other teams. > > John > John, We something with relative dates. See here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_and_task_list Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 26 11:59:08 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:29:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 regains Linux fans Message-ID: <49A6840C.6010008@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.computerworld.com/fedora_10_regains_linux_fans?page=1 "Two years later though, Paul Frields, Fedora project leader, declared that there has been "a major up-tick in Fedora involvement over the last 6 months. Since the release of Fedora 10, we've seen about 1 million new installations and approximately 2 million unique visitors to fedoraproject.org each month" Rahul From saadsaidi at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 12:54:32 2009 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:54:32 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 regains Linux fans In-Reply-To: <49A6840C.6010008@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A6840C.6010008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800902260454t7cb736e1x39910a481d6b86ef@mail.gmail.com> And hopefully more on forward. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/fedora_10_regains_linux_fans?page=1 > > "Two years later though, Paul Frields, Fedora project leader, declared that > there has been "a major up-tick in Fedora involvement over the last 6 > months. Since the release of Fedora 10, we've seen about 1 million new > installations and approximately 2 million unique visitors to > fedoraproject.org each month" > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 26 13:01:48 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:01:48 +0100 Subject: Marketing Guide In-Reply-To: <49A61218.6000303@redhat.com> References: <49A61218.6000303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235653308.12292.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 19:52 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Might be some good ideas for us here: > http://contribute.mozilla.org/Marketing > > John > Thanks, I'll have a look at it. Steven From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 14:30:15 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:30:15 -0800 Subject: REMINDER: MEETING TOMORROW 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49A63117.5050606@redhat.com> References: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> <49A5F5EF.5040608@redhat.com> <49A63117.5050606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49A6A777.3060200@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > John Poelstra wrote: >> Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> Hey Everyone, >>> >>> This is the early reminder for tomorrow's meeting. This is the last >>> meeting we will have at this time, as we will switch over to Tuesday >>> nights at 21.00UTC, since that seems to be more convenient for us all. >>> >>> Tomorrow is as scheduled, continue to work on the calendar. Now that >>> everything is solidified, we will work mostly on figuring out who is >>> doing what for F11. >>> I'd recommend dumping what you have into gobby and working from there. Trying to discuss each task in IRC is going to take forever. >> Is there a task list with explicit dates and task dependencies? If >> there is I can add it to taskjuggler like all the other teams. >> >> John >> > John, > > We something with relative dates. See here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_and_task_list > > Jack > Most of it is incomplete and the date "YYYY-MM-DD" doesn't render well in taskjuggler ;-) From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 16:08:52 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:08:52 -0500 Subject: REMINDER: MEETING TOMORROW 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49A63117.5050606@redhat.com> References: <49A55B83.2090302@redhat.com> <49A5F5EF.5040608@redhat.com> <49A63117.5050606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090226160852.GF7391@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:05:11AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > John Poelstra wrote: >> Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> Hey Everyone, >>> >>> This is the early reminder for tomorrow's meeting. This is the last >>> meeting we will have at this time, as we will switch over to Tuesday >>> nights at 21.00UTC, since that seems to be more convenient for us all. >>> >>> Tomorrow is as scheduled, continue to work on the calendar. Now that >>> everything is solidified, we will work mostly on figuring out who is >>> doing what for F11. >>> >> >> Is there a task list with explicit dates and task dependencies? If >> there is I can add it to taskjuggler like all the other teams. >> >> John >> > John, > > We something with relative dates. See here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_and_task_list If the general case is documented here, transcribe the dates based on the release schedule for F-11. If you want to move the general "T- days" listing to another page, you can also do that. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and see you in a couple of hours, Jack From tcallawa at redhat.com Thu Feb 26 18:32:42 2009 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:32:42 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> On 2009-02-20 at 23:25:56 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > stabus report/slight rant time now -- it looks long but please read :) > > 1) Blocking on release forms. I'm assured RH Legal is working on it. In > the meantime if you're willing to take photos of people and have > their contact information so you can hunt them down with a New and > Improved Release Form then there's no reason stopping you; you just > can't upload them to the wiki yet. Okay, here is the release form: http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release.pdf (I tried to attach it, but it was too big for mailman) Please note that the model (person in the picture, person giving quotes) signs the top part, and the Photographer (person who took the picture and holds copyright on it) signs the bottom part. Also, please note that the model needs to be 18 or older. Right now, we have no mechanism to track this electronically, so its old fashioned paper and pen. Pick someone to receive them all and keep them in a folder. Questions? Comments? ~spot From cra at WPI.EDU Thu Feb 26 19:07:26 2009 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:07:26 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:32:42PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > Okay, here is the release form: > http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release.pdf > > Questions? Comments? It feels too much like giving away my rights perpetually. Also, why does this have to be an "exclusive" agreement? From wdc at MIT.EDU Thu Feb 26 19:13:36 2009 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:13:36 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <52E40194-F9D7-49B6-8437-50495BA31256@mit.edu> I agree with Chuck. Although I was easily able to sign the model release I received at FudCon because it was releasing the image I gave, the Red Hat lawyers seem to want perpetual license to use all aspects of my likeness for marketing purposes, and MIT, my employer will not permit that. MIT does not get involved in the marketing of products, and if my face and title were used in certain contexts, it would conflict with my employer's strictures on MIT marketing. -Bill On Feb 26, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:32:42PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: >> Okay, here is the release form: >> http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release.pdf >> >> Questions? Comments? > > It feels too much like giving away my rights perpetually. Also, why > does this have to be an "exclusive" agreement? > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Feb 26 20:24:00 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:24:00 +0100 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-02-26 IRC Log Message-ID: <1235679840.5033.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Here is the marketing meeting log for 2009-02-26: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting_2009-02-26 * During this meeting, we mainly reorganized the Fedora 11 schedule page [1] until the feature freeze phase. Dates were set and people assigned to tasks. * Items under the feature freeze milestone will be discussed next Tuesday. * Themayor is going to update the general task list [2] * The news distribution network concept is going to be deployed. moixs is going to contact the ambassador list to find candidates for each language. fugolini (Italian), themayor (English) and moixs (French) already volunteered. 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F11_schedule 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks Have a nice day Steven From laubersm at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 26 20:39:33 2009 From: laubersm at fedoraproject.org (Susan Lauber) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:39:33 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-02-26 IRC Log In-Reply-To: <1235679840.5033.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235679840.5033.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Steven Moix wrote: > Hello, > > Here is the marketing meeting log for 2009-02-26: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting_2009-02-26 > Steve, The new wiki page names look great. I have another tip for you - I hope you are interested :) There is also a Meeting: namespace so that, like the Archive space you have already used, meeting logs do not show up in a default search that a new user might enter. In addition to can then put them in a sub category. I just finished setting that up for Docs Project last night: If you look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project You will see under subcategories both [[Docs Project meetings]] where we have summaries and agendas and such and [[Docs Project meeting logs]] which have the IRC logs. Thanks again for your efforts in wiki cleanup! -Susan -- Susan Lauber, (RHCX, RHCA, RHCSS) Lauber System Solutions, Inc. http://www.laubersolutions.com gpg: 15AC F794 A3D9 64D1 D9CE 4C26 EFC3 11C2 BFA1 0974 From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 21:32:01 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:32:01 -0600 Subject: MEETING TODAY 2009.02.26 @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <49A6CCA4.3030600@redhat.com> References: <49A6CCA4.3030600@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090226213201.GA2935@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:08:52PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Where: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-meeting (Someone please remind me to > notify them that we are changing times) Just edit this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These are very valid points. Red Hat Legal was able to quickly turn around a new version of this document for us, please look at: http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release%20rev1.pdf It is no longer an "exclusive" agreement, and it is now bounded to the Fedora Picture Book only. Please let me know if there are any additional concerns, Red Hat is more than willing to work with our needs here. Thanks, ~spot From michnaugh1 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 23:38:42 2009 From: michnaugh1 at gmail.com (Michael Naughton) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:38:42 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton Message-ID: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> Hi all: My name is Mike Naughton. I'm a criminal defense attorney (associate at James C. Thomas, P.C.) from Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A. I first tried Linux when I installed Fedora Core 3. I am running Fedora 10 x64 and it feels very sharp and responsive. As far as how I can contribute, in my role as a criminal defense attorney I have a lot of experience with advocacy, community outreach and working with media. In fact, I have been involved in cases in the Detroit area that garnered national and local media attention. My participation required working with attorneys around the country and media outlets. If you google my name you will see Michigan Supreme Court and Michigan Court of Appeals briefs I wrote over the summer and for what case. I think Fedora and Red Hat have really done a terrific job of creating a more vibrant community and putting together some really nice resources online (fedoraproject.org, fedoraforum.org, fedorafaq.org, etc.). I would like to be more involved in this community. I believe that, for better or worse, the economy and Vista have really created an opportunity for people to discover Fedora and be very pleasantly surprised. I would really like to get more involved in marketing Fedora, especially to professionals like myself who are solo-practitioners or small business owners. Fedora really provides all the tools necessary for a person to build a business right out of the box. In fact, I have been using Linux in my practice. I use Openoffice.org to prepare correspondence, motions, orders and other forms of legal writing. I use Thunderbird with the Lightning plugin to keep track of my calendar. I listen to music with Rhythmbox, mount NTFS drives, play games (World of Goo is really incredible and a great example of the traction Linux is starting to gain) and run the occasional Windows app in Crossover Office. Admittedly, I would like to see more billable programs for Linux. I have tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome for simple time tracking and invoicing. Additionally (like a lot of other people), I'd like to able to use Adobe programs in Linux. Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but an Adobe one. I am confident that as Linux desktop adoption grows, Adobe will reach out to this market and provide products. It already has with Flash and Acrobat. I am also a part-time web developer and use Flash, Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice to not have to boot into OS X use these tools. Thanks for reading. I am really excited about joining the marketing team and making some contributions to the community. --Mike From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 23:43:44 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:43:44 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <52E40194-F9D7-49B6-8437-50495BA31256@mit.edu> <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090226234344.GB20204@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 04:38:41PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 2009-02-26 at 14:13:36 -0500, William Cattey wrote: > > I agree with Chuck. > > > > Although I was easily able to sign the model release I received at > > FudCon because it was releasing the image I gave, the Red Hat lawyers > > seem to want perpetual license to use all aspects of my likeness for > > marketing purposes, and MIT, my employer will not permit that. > > > > MIT does not get involved in the marketing of products, and if my face > > and title were used in certain contexts, it would conflict with my > > employer's strictures on MIT marketing. > > These are very valid points. Red Hat Legal was able to quickly turn > around a new version of this document for us, please look at: > > http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release%20rev1.pdf > > It is no longer an "exclusive" agreement, and it is now bounded to the > Fedora Picture Book only. > > Please let me know if there are any additional concerns, Red Hat is more > than willing to work with our needs here. > I see no concerns. I talked with Spot about adding a field for the name of the image on the wiki and he added that. The final version of the release form is at https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Picture_book_release_form.pdf If you still see any problems with it please let me know. (ccing spot so he can remember to remove the PDFs from his fedorapeople) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mhsemcheski at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 02:47:53 2009 From: mhsemcheski at gmail.com (Michael Semcheski) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:47:53 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton In-Reply-To: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> References: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, There is a Detroit Linux User's Group that you might look to hook up with if you haven't already. http://mdlug.org I'm not a member (or in Detroit) but I know someone who is. Mike On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Michael Naughton wrote: > Hi all: > > My name is Mike Naughton. I'm a criminal defense attorney (associate at > James C. Thomas, P.C.) from Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A. I first tried Linux > when I installed Fedora Core 3. I am running Fedora 10 x64 and it feels > very sharp and responsive. > > As far as how I can contribute, in my role as a criminal defense attorney I > have a lot of experience with advocacy, community outreach and working with > media. In fact, I have been involved in cases in the Detroit area that > garnered national and local media attention. My participation required > working with attorneys around the country and media outlets. If you google > my name you will see Michigan Supreme Court and Michigan Court of Appeals > briefs I wrote over the summer and for what case. > > I think Fedora and Red Hat have really done a terrific job of creating a > more vibrant community and putting together some really nice resources > online (fedoraproject.org, fedoraforum.org, fedorafaq.org, etc.). I > would like to be more involved in this community. I believe that, for > better or worse, the economy and Vista have really created an opportunity > for people to discover Fedora and be very pleasantly surprised. > > I would really like to get more involved in marketing Fedora, especially to > professionals like myself who are solo-practitioners or small business > owners. Fedora really provides all the tools necessary for a person to > build a business right out of the box. In fact, I have been using Linux in > my practice. I use Openoffice.org to prepare correspondence, motions, > orders and other forms of legal writing. I use Thunderbird with the > Lightning plugin to keep track of my calendar. I listen to music with > Rhythmbox, mount NTFS drives, play games (World of Goo is really incredible > and a great example of the traction Linux is starting to gain) and run the > occasional Windows app in Crossover Office. > Admittedly, I would like to see more billable programs for Linux. I have > tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome for simple time tracking and > invoicing. Additionally (like a lot of other people), I'd like to able to > use Adobe programs in Linux. Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but an > Adobe one. I am confident that as Linux desktop adoption grows, Adobe will > reach out to this market and provide products. It already has with Flash > and Acrobat. I am also a part-time web developer and use Flash, > Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice to not have to > boot into OS X use these tools. > > Thanks for reading. I am really excited about joining the marketing team > and making some contributions to the community. > --Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Fri Feb 27 04:52:29 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:22:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton In-Reply-To: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91941.31886.qm@web95107.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 26/2/09, Michael Naughton wrote: > From: Michael Naughton > Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 11:38 PM > Hi all: > > My name is Mike Naughton. I'm a criminal defense > attorney (associate at James C. Thomas, P.C.) from Detroit, > Michigan, U.S.A. I first tried Linux when I installed > Fedora Core 3. I am running Fedora 10 x64 and it feels very > sharp and responsive. > > As far as how I can contribute, in my role as a criminal > defense attorney I have a lot of experience with advocacy, > community outreach and working with media. In fact, I have > been involved in cases in the Detroit area that garnered > national and local media attention. My participation > required working with attorneys around the country and media > outlets. If you google my name you will see Michigan > Supreme Court and Michigan Court of Appeals briefs I wrote > over the summer and for what case. > > I think Fedora and Red Hat have really done a terrific job > of creating a more vibrant community and putting together > some really nice resources online (fedoraproject.org, > fedoraforum.org, fedorafaq.org, etc.). I would like to be > more involved in this community. I believe that, for better > or worse, the economy and Vista have really created an > opportunity for people to discover Fedora and be very > pleasantly surprised. > > I would really like to get more involved in marketing > Fedora, especially to professionals like myself who are > solo-practitioners or small business owners. Fedora really > provides all the tools necessary for a person to build a > business right out of the box. In fact, I have been using > Linux in my practice. I use Openoffice.org to prepare > correspondence, motions, orders and other forms of legal > writing. I use Thunderbird with the Lightning plugin to > keep track of my calendar. I listen to music with > Rhythmbox, mount NTFS drives, play games (World of Goo is > really incredible and a great example of the traction Linux > is starting to gain) and run the occasional Windows app in > Crossover Office. > Admittedly, I would like to see more billable programs for > Linux. I have tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome > for simple time tracking and invoicing. Additionally (like > a lot of other people), I'd like to able to use Adobe > programs in Linux. Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but > an Adobe one. I am confident that as Linux desktop adoption > grows, Adobe will reach out to this market and provide > products. It already has with Flash and Acrobat. I am also > a part-time web developer and use Flash, Dreamweaver, > Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice to not have to > boot into OS X use these tools. > > Thanks for reading. I am really excited about joining the > marketing team and making some contributions to the > community. > --Mike > > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Hello sir, Welcome to Fedora community. It has been a good experience reading your Fedora account. Glad that you liked Fedora. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu ____________________________________ Fedora India Ambassador : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Coolg5 Website : www.gauravlive.com Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Feb 27 08:47:56 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:47:56 +0200 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <52E40194-F9D7-49B6-8437-50495BA31256@mit.edu> <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49A7A8BC.8050909@nicubunu.ro> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > > These are very valid points. Red Hat Legal was able to quickly turn > around a new version of this document for us, please look at: > > http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release%20rev1.pdf > > It is no longer an "exclusive" agreement, and it is now bounded to the > Fedora Picture Book only. Thanks a lot for the modification, in the past we wanted to use people photos for the website too, but have not pursued it due to lack of release forms. However, the test still says "for the Fedora Picture Book", which *is* bound to the Picture Book only. > Please let me know if there are any additional concerns, Red Hat is more > than willing to work with our needs here. Some people expressed the concern about people under 18 years, it appears we have some such contributors. For them the form should have also a place where the legal guardian will sign. Also, I would like a (as official as possible) statement about how the form can be sent: is OK if I receive it faxed by the model, sign it as a photographer and then fax to Red Hat? but printing/signing/scanning/emailing? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From michnaugh1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 12:50:27 2009 From: michnaugh1 at gmail.com (Michael Naughton) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:50:27 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton In-Reply-To: References: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A7E193.9000501@gmail.com> Thanks Mike. This group meets near by. I am going to go check them out. Michael Semcheski wrote: > Hi Mike, > > There is a Detroit Linux User's Group that you might look to hook up > with if you haven't already. > > http://mdlug.org > > I'm not a member (or in Detroit) but I know someone who is. > > Mike > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Michael Naughton > > wrote: > > Hi all: > > My name is Mike Naughton. I'm a criminal defense attorney > (associate at James C. Thomas, P.C.) from Detroit, Michigan, > U.S.A. I first tried Linux when I installed Fedora Core 3. I am > running Fedora 10 x64 and it feels very sharp and responsive. > > As far as how I can contribute, in my role as a criminal defense > attorney I have a lot of experience with advocacy, community > outreach and working with media. In fact, I have been involved in > cases in the Detroit area that garnered national and local media > attention. My participation required working with attorneys > around the country and media outlets. If you google my name you > will see Michigan Supreme Court and Michigan Court of Appeals > briefs I wrote over the summer and for what case. > > I think Fedora and Red Hat have really done a terrific job of > creating a more vibrant community and putting together some really > nice resources online (fedoraproject.org > , fedoraforum.org > , fedorafaq.org , > etc.). I would like to be more involved in this community. I > believe that, for better or worse, the economy and Vista have > really created an opportunity for people to discover Fedora and be > very pleasantly surprised. > > I would really like to get more involved in marketing Fedora, > especially to professionals like myself who are solo-practitioners > or small business owners. Fedora really provides all the tools > necessary for a person to build a business right out of the box. > In fact, I have been using Linux in my practice. I use > Openoffice.org to prepare correspondence, motions, orders and > other forms of legal writing. I use Thunderbird with the > Lightning plugin to keep track of my calendar. I listen to music > with Rhythmbox, mount NTFS drives, play games (World of Goo is > really incredible and a great example of the traction Linux is > starting to gain) and run the occasional Windows app in Crossover > Office. > Admittedly, I would like to see more billable programs for Linux. > I have tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome for simple > time tracking and invoicing. Additionally (like a lot of other > people), I'd like to able to use Adobe programs in Linux. > Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but an Adobe one. I am > confident that as Linux desktop adoption grows, Adobe will reach > out to this market and provide products. It already has with > Flash and Acrobat. I am also a part-time web developer and use > Flash, Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice > to not have to boot into OS X use these tools. > > Thanks for reading. I am really excited about joining the > marketing team and making some contributions to the community. > --Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 15:44:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0500 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <52E40194-F9D7-49B6-8437-50495BA31256@mit.edu> <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090227154426.GK23861@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 04:38:41PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 2009-02-26 at 14:13:36 -0500, William Cattey wrote: > > I agree with Chuck. > > > > Although I was easily able to sign the model release I received at > > FudCon because it was releasing the image I gave, the Red Hat lawyers > > seem to want perpetual license to use all aspects of my likeness for > > marketing purposes, and MIT, my employer will not permit that. > > > > MIT does not get involved in the marketing of products, and if my face > > and title were used in certain contexts, it would conflict with my > > employer's strictures on MIT marketing. > > These are very valid points. Red Hat Legal was able to quickly turn > around a new version of this document for us, please look at: > > http://spot.fedorapeople.org/Model%20and%20Contribution%20Release%20rev1.pdf > > It is no longer an "exclusive" agreement, and it is now bounded to the > Fedora Picture Book only. > > Please let me know if there are any additional concerns, Red Hat is more > than willing to work with our needs here. Thanks for shepherding this along, Spot. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 16:00:09 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:00:09 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mike Naughton In-Reply-To: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> References: <49A72802.4020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090227160009.GL23861@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 06:38:42PM -0500, Michael Naughton wrote: > Admittedly, I would like to see more billable programs for Linux. I have > tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome for simple time tracking and > invoicing. Additionally (like a lot of other people), I'd like to able to > use Adobe programs in Linux. Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but an > Adobe one. I am confident that as Linux desktop adoption grows, Adobe > will reach out to this market and provide products. It already has with > Flash and Acrobat. I am also a part-time web developer and use Flash, > Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice to not have to > boot into OS X use these tools. You might want to look at Knomos: http://www.knomos.org/index.htm http://sourceforge.net/projects/knomos However, it appears development stalled once they reached the 1.0 or 1.0a version -- I assume at completion of the contracted work. It would be nice to see additional development by people who care about it... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(18 isn't the age of consent everywhere, but its a safe number to use) > Also, I would like a (as official as possible) statement about how the > form can be sent: is OK if I receive it faxed by the model, sign it as a > photographer and then fax to Red Hat? but > printing/signing/scanning/emailing? As long as it ends up signed and in a physical folder somewhere, it does not matter. I leave it up to Ian to determine who will collect these things. ~spot From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 16:45:12 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:45:12 -0600 Subject: Status of the picture book In-Reply-To: <49A81099.6010700@redhat.com> References: <20090221042556.GC31788@gmail.com> <49A6E04A.6050001@redhat.com> <20090226190726.GF3091@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <52E40194-F9D7-49B6-8437-50495BA31256@mit.edu> <49A70BE1.9010707@redhat.com> <49A7A8BC.8050909@nicubunu.ro> <49A81099.6010700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090227164512.GB20567@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:11:05AM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Also, I would like a (as official as possible) statement about how the > > form can be sent: is OK if I receive it faxed by the model, sign it as a > > photographer and then fax to Red Hat? but > > printing/signing/scanning/emailing? > > As long as it ends up signed and in a physical folder somewhere, it does > not matter. I leave it up to Ian to determine who will collect these things. Mo Duffy at BOS is keeping all of them. I'm setting up people internationally to collect these and get them to her as well. I'll contact her (and a few others as well) about fax numbers or where one can email scanned versions of them. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have >> tried Gnu Cash but I find it a bit cumbersome for simple time tracking and >> invoicing. Additionally (like a lot of other people), I'd like to able to >> use Adobe programs in Linux. Obviously this is not a Fedora gripe but an >> Adobe one. I am confident that as Linux desktop adoption grows, Adobe >> will reach out to this market and provide products. It already has with >> Flash and Acrobat. I am also a part-time web developer and use Flash, >> Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Illustrator. It would be nice to not have to >> boot into OS X use these tools. >> > > You might want to look at Knomos: > > http://www.knomos.org/index.htm > http://sourceforge.net/projects/knomos > > However, it appears development stalled once they reached the 1.0 or > 1.0a version -- I assume at completion of the contracted work. It > would be nice to see additional development by people who care about > it... > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to can then put them in a > sub category. > > I just finished setting that up for Docs Project last night: If you > look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project > You will see under subcategories both [[Docs Project meetings]] where > we have summaries and agendas and such and [[Docs Project meeting > logs]] which have the IRC logs. > > Thanks again for your efforts in wiki cleanup! > > -Susan Oh I didn't know this, I'll correct our pages. Thanks! Steven From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 16:14:02 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:14:02 -0700 Subject: SCALE 7x: Clint Savage of the Fedora Project on Spinning Your Own Linux LiveCD Message-ID: Not wanting to toot my own horn too much, but this is awesome!! http://www.thebitsource.com/2009/02/28/scale-7x-clint-savage-of-fedora-project-on-spinning-your-own-linux-livecd/ and currently, it's the featured story on their home page. Clint From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 20:39:25 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:09:25 +0530 Subject: four foundations Message-ID: <49A9A0FD.8010307@fedoraproject.org> Hi The wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations claims that "infinite, freedom, voice" slogan is legacy but I see it on top right of http://fedoraproject.org/index.html Should that be replaced by the four foundations? Rahul From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 20:44:17 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:44:17 -0700 Subject: four foundations In-Reply-To: <49A9A0FD.8010307@fedoraproject.org> References: <49A9A0FD.8010307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > The wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations claims that > "infinite, freedom, voice" slogan is legacy but I see it on top right of > > http://fedoraproject.org/index.html > > Should that be replaced by the four foundations? > > Rahul I'd say yes, my guess is that it just hasn't been designed and implemented into the website by the website team. It could be an easy patch to write if you wanted. Clint From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 21:58:20 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:28:20 +0530 Subject: Intel, Nvidia Kernel Mode-Setting In Fedora 11 Message-ID: <49A9B37C.90801@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzEwMA "Enabled by default on Fedora 11 will be Intel kernel mode-setting (along with the ATI kernel mode-setting that can already be found in Fedora 10). More on this is also available from the Fedora Wiki. ATI kernel mode-setting has been enabled since Fedora 10, but in Leonidas the support will be extended to support KMS on ATI R100/200 hardware. Kernel mode-setting allows for a nice, flicker-free boot process with the Plymouth project, fast VT switching, improved suspend and resume support, and other benefits. Kernel mode-setting is also a prerequisite for running the Wayland Display Server. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 21:59:10 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:29:10 +0530 Subject: Intel, Nvidia Kernel Mode-Setting In Fedora 11 Message-ID: <49A9B3AE.9050307@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzEwMA "Enabled by default on Fedora 11 will be Intel kernel mode-setting (along with the ATI kernel mode-setting that can already be found in Fedora 10). More on this is also available from the Fedora Wiki. ATI kernel mode-setting has been enabled since Fedora 10, but in Leonidas the support will be extended to support KMS on ATI R100/200 hardware. Kernel mode-setting allows for a nice, flicker-free boot process with the Plymouth project, fast VT switching, improved suspend and resume support, and other benefits. Kernel mode-setting is also a prerequisite for running the Wayland Display Server. " Rahul From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 23:04:55 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:04:55 -0600 Subject: four foundations In-Reply-To: References: <49A9A0FD.8010307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090228230455.GA10922@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 01:44:17PM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > > Hi > > > > The wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations claims that > > "infinite, freedom, voice" slogan is legacy but I see it on top right of > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/index.html > > > > Should that be replaced by the four foundations? > > > > Rahul > > I'd say yes, my guess is that it just hasn't been designed and > implemented into the website by the website team. It could be an easy > patch to write if you wanted. > Mo has the appropriate image. I need to get it from her again and just throw it in the git repo. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 23:26:24 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:56:24 +0530 Subject: SCALE 7x: Clint Savage of the Fedora Project on Spinning Your Own Linux LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A9C820.5050303@fedoraproject.org> Clint Savage wrote: > Not wanting to toot my own horn too much, but this is awesome!! > > http://www.thebitsource.com/2009/02/28/scale-7x-clint-savage-of-fedora-project-on-spinning-your-own-linux-livecd/ > > and currently, it's the featured story on their home page. > Do we have videos of the Scale talks? Rahul