From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 06:32:45 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:32:45 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released In-Reply-To: <1230737822.3012.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> <1230737822.3012.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <495C638D.7020904@gmail.com> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > For those in here who don't understand portuguese, it means that Apple > patented the Dock. Moreover, the patent covers ? positioning of icons > and cursors, as well as the zoom effect when the mouse moves over an > icon ? > > Is the legal team aware of this ? What's gonna happen about those > dock-like apps in the Fedora repositories, given the Fedora policy on > patented software ? > > Of course, this mailing-list might not be the best place to talk about > it. Is there another communication medium for legal stuff ? Happy New Year. I believe AWN is not identical to the design of OSX dock, mouse-over effect icon layout and etc are all different in combination. Thus may not be in trouble by OSX Dock design patent issue. However, lets hear from what other may comments. -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 07:35:17 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:35:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture Book.... Message-ID: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Concerning the Fedora Picture Book.... I have heard from several dozen printers and publishers over the last several weeks. There are several things I would like to comment on: 1. Using a printer or print-run publisher would be unfeasible because we would have to store and ship books ourselves, to say nothing of mailing costs. 2. Using a POD Publisher, such a Lulu or iUniverse is probably the most readily available option, but it would be the most expensive. For instance, for a 130 page full color book, Lulu would charge $30.50 per book. Anything we make would be added on to that base cost. Most of the other top POD Publishers charge a set fee, such as BookSurge a $499.00 color book package. 3. Using the same POD publishers, if we went with a color cover but black and white interior, the price would drop substantially: Lulu - $8.75 per book after their setup fee. 4. The most economical option would be to go to the POD publishing source itself, which is Lightning Source. They are the printer/distributor for most of the POD Publishers, including Lulu. The drawback here is that we would have to commit to publishing more than one book. If we use Lightning Source the base cost for the full color book would be $6.80 per book. We could sell it for $14.00, not an unreasonable price and make over $7.00 a book. Our costs would be $144.00 up front for their set-up costs. As you can see, we would only have to sell a couple dozen books to recoup that cost. 5. Perhaps, if we used Lightning Source we could do a Picture Book for each Fedora Release. "The people of Fedora 11," then use the same event photos, but add pictures and bios of core developers, Red Hat people, other Project members, etc. I have created a breakdown of the whole process, with cost comparisons. Plus some ideas I had about adding new writers and perhaps artists if we go with some sort of publishing project. I will add links to these documents on the Picture Book wiki, asap. Here are the links if anyone is interested: http://www.scribd.com/doc/9668043/publishing http://www.scribd.com/doc/9669285/wiki What does anybody think? -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 16:56:07 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:56:07 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 11:35:17PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > 4. The most economical option would be to go to > the POD publishing source itself, which is Lightning > Source. They are the printer/distributor for > most of the POD Publishers, including Lulu. The > drawback here is that we would have to commit to > publishing more than one book. If we use Lightning > Source the base cost for the full color book would > be $6.80 per book. We could sell it for $14.00, not > an unreasonable price and make over $7.00 a book. Our > costs would be $144.00 up front for their set-up costs. > As you can see, we would only have to sell a couple > dozen books to recoup that cost. > > 5. Perhaps, if we used Lightning Source we could do > a Picture Book for each Fedora Release. "The people > of Fedora 11," then use the same event photos, but > add pictures and bios of core developers, Red Hat > people, other Project members, etc. > Hmm. We were thinking about doing four books right from the start, aligned with the four foundations -- "freedom, friends, features, first", since we're going to try and get pictures of *everybody* at FUDConF11 and fit most of them in somehow, plus pictures of people who couldn't make it, provided by themselves or whatever. In unrelated ventures: 1. I talked to spot about the release forms, he'll speak with RH Legal(tm)(R)(sm) about it. 2. Please don't use Scribd, it took me five minutes to register an account through OpenID just to download the file in a form that doesn't eat my browser alive :) You can just attach PDFs to your emails, I don't think the list scrubs them. I don't know about anyone else, but it seems like Lightning Source is the way to go... I would like to see what Paul thinks about all of this, so I'll bug him the next moment I see him on IRC. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 17:31:38 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:31:38 -0500 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:56:07AM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 11:35:17PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > 4. The most economical option would be to go to > > the POD publishing source itself, which is Lightning > > Source. They are the printer/distributor for > > most of the POD Publishers, including Lulu. The > > drawback here is that we would have to commit to > > publishing more than one book. If we use Lightning > > Source the base cost for the full color book would > > be $6.80 per book. We could sell it for $14.00, not > > an unreasonable price and make over $7.00 a book. Our > > costs would be $144.00 up front for their set-up costs. > > As you can see, we would only have to sell a couple > > dozen books to recoup that cost. > > > > 5. Perhaps, if we used Lightning Source we could do > > a Picture Book for each Fedora Release. "The people > > of Fedora 11," then use the same event photos, but > > add pictures and bios of core developers, Red Hat > > people, other Project members, etc. > > > Hmm. We were thinking about doing four books right from the start, > aligned with the four foundations -- "freedom, friends, features, > first", since we're going to try and get pictures of *everybody* at > FUDConF11 and fit most of them in somehow, plus pictures of people who > couldn't make it, provided by themselves or whatever. > > In unrelated ventures: > 1. I talked to spot about the release forms, he'll speak with RH > Legal(tm)(R)(sm) about it. > 2. Please don't use Scribd, it took me five minutes to register an > account through OpenID just to download the file in a form that > doesn't eat my browser alive :) You can just attach PDFs to your > emails, I don't think the list scrubs them. Better than attaching PDFs to an email to thousands of people -- simply post it to your fedorapeople.org space. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org We should try wherever possible to distribute information using completely free and open source outlets. Your fedorapeople.org account is a great way to have large files available for fellow contributors to download without clogging those email arteries! (After all the holiday meals I appear to have artery clogging on the brain.) :-) > I don't know about anyone else, but it seems like Lightning Source is > the way to go... I would like to see what Paul thinks about all of this, > so I'll bug him the next moment I see him on IRC. I've been mostly avoiding IRC over the holiday to spend more time with my family during my break, but I'll be around more this weekend and definitely Monday. :-) It would behoove us to have someone serve as the lead for this project, have that person get pre-orders up front through whatever means work best (PayPal, for instance), and then use that money to pay for the up-front costs. I think that will be a good indicator of the demand for the book(s). It would be nice for people to be able to contribute other photos (and releases) for cases where they aren't at an event to be photographed. There is one large and lingering question, though, which is profit. We have no place for that profit to reside here in the USA, and probably won't for some time. Perhaps this project should be coordinated with Fedora EMEA so any profits can be devoted directly to furthering Fedora activities there. Or the proceeds could be donated to a worthy global nonprofit like the FSF. We'd need to make sure that no matter what we do with any money, the full accounting process is as transparent as possible. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 19:07:14 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:07:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <397476.57165.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It would behoove us to have someone serve as the lead for > this project, have that person get pre-orders up front > through > whatever means work best (PayPal, for instance), and then > use that > money to pay for the up-front costs. I think that will be > a good > indicator of the demand for the book(s). > > It would be nice for people to be able to contribute other > photos (and > releases) for cases where they aren't at an event to be > photographed. > > There is one large and lingering question, though, which is > profit. > We have no place for that profit to reside here in the USA, > and > probably won't for some time. Perhaps this project > should be > coordinated with Fedora EMEA so any profits can be devoted > directly to > furthering Fedora activities there. Or the proceeds could > be donated > to a worthy global nonprofit like the FSF. We'd need > to make sure > that no matter what we do with any money, the full > accounting process > is as transparent as possible. As far as profits from book sales goes, as I understand it Lightning Source does everything. They handle all sales, collect all the money, and send us a royalty check every three months. Except for that initial payment to them for that first book, for other books, they would just deduct their fees from what they owe us. They may be amenable to changing their royalty payment schedule to once every six months: or a year. That would mean any pool of money would be on their books, and not ours. We could just send them books and they deduct the fees from our account. As far as a lead for this project, I would gladly volunteer my services, since I have some expertise in these matters. Or perhaps we could make an overseer of someone like Mo or Clint, since they are both Fedora and Red Hat, and could walk through both worlds so to speak. If nobody has any objections, I will contact Lightning Source and amass the papers and contracts that will be necessary to be signed. It's all pretty straight forward, they just want to know who they are dealing with. << Douglas Berry >> slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 22:32:16 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:32:16 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <397476.57165.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> <397476.57165.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090102223216.GB14141@gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 11:07:14AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > As far as profits from book sales goes, as I understand it > Lightning Source does everything. They handle all sales, collect > all the money, and send us a royalty check every three months. > Except for that initial payment to them for that first book, for > other books, they would just deduct their fees from what they owe > us. > I'm somewhat confused. If it's an upfront cost, how is it deducted from our royalty checks? Can we get a summary of the price per book again? And will this be black/white or full color pages? (I was peering around the Lightning Source website and apparently they provide both services.) > As far as a lead for this project, I would gladly volunteer my > services, since I have some expertise in these matters. Or perhaps > we could make an overseer of someone like Mo or Clint, since > they are both Fedora and Red Hat, and could walk through both > worlds so to speak. > Clint doesn't work at Red Hat, IIRC. > If nobody has any objections, I will contact Lightning Source > and amass the papers and contracts that will be necessary to > be signed. It's all pretty straight forward, they just want to > know who they are dealing with. > Let's hold off until after FUDConF11 for deciding on a vendor, I think people need some more time to digest this information. Right now, I think the process for getting pictures is more important, with FUDCon starting seven days from now. (Speaking of which, spot has reported to me that RH Legal will be back in the office next week, so we should have some idea on what to do with release forms.) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 22:22:17 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:22:17 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090102222217.GA14141@gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 12:31:38PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Better than attaching PDFs to an email to thousands of people -- > simply post it to your fedorapeople.org space. > But of course... I forgot! :D > It would behoove us to have someone serve as the lead for > this project, have that person get pre-orders up front through > whatever means work best (PayPal, for instance), and then use that > money to pay for the up-front costs. I think that will be a good > indicator of the demand for the book(s). > This seems like the correct thing to do. > It would be nice for people to be able to contribute other photos (and > releases) for cases where they aren't at an event to be photographed. > Of course. :) The big question, however, is where do we store the photos? Flickr's group setup seems to be the easiest way for both us and those submitting photos. Alternatives include fedorapeople.org, or setting up gallery software on Fedora's/somebody's infrastructure that could contain high quality photos. > There is one large and lingering question, though, which is profit. > We have no place for that profit to reside here in the USA, and > probably won't for some time. Perhaps this project should be > coordinated with Fedora EMEA so any profits can be devoted directly to > furthering Fedora activities there. Or the proceeds could be donated > to a worthy global nonprofit like the FSF. We'd need to make sure > that no matter what we do with any money, the full accounting process > is as transparent as possible. > (Or OLPC? :P) Can the profit be added to budgets for Ambassadors events or whatnot? Or does that still hit the "not in the USA" thing? (And what exactly is causing that? I'm quite curious.) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Jan 3 07:51:19 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:51:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I've been mostly avoiding IRC over the holiday to spend more time with > my family during my break, but I'll be around more this weekend and > definitely Monday. :-) Wait.... so does that mean that I'm the only person who sets a place for my laptop at the Christmas dinner table? I put a background image of Shadowman on it, and make it a nice plate with some ham, gravy, etc. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Jan 3 07:53:19 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:53:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > There is one large and lingering question, though, which is profit. We > have no place for that profit to reside here in the USA, and probably > won't for some time. Perhaps this project should be coordinated with > Fedora EMEA so any profits can be devoted directly to furthering > Fedora activities there. Or the proceeds could be donated to a worthy > global nonprofit like the FSF. We'd need to make sure that no matter > what we do with any money, the full accounting process is as > transparent as possible. I (along with the CommArch budget) am happy to help with accounting to whatever extent I am needed. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Jan 3 07:55:38 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:55:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090102222217.GA14141@gmail.com> References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> <20090102222217.GA14141@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > Can the profit be added to budgets for Ambassadors events or whatnot? I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple & straightforward problem to solve. --Max From slasherzee at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 15:45:45 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:45:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: > I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make > sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there > ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple & > straightforward problem to solve. If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell them. Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source and they would provide us with strict accounting for each sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion dollar enterprise. Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors. Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I think it's every three months. We can just have them send it to Max and he can disburse any funds. Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would need to provide him or I with a outside email address. From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 16:20:30 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:20:30 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: References: <808062.74424.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090102165606.GA3158@gmail.com> <20090102173138.GM6883@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090103162030.GA16053@gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 08:53:19AM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > I (along with the CommArch budget) am happy to help with accounting to > whatever extent I am needed. > Woo! Get your name on the people list. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 23:18:45 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:18:45 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 07:45:45AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make > > sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there > > ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple & > > straightforward problem to solve. > > If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we > would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be > if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell > them. > > Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source > and they would provide us with strict accounting for each > sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which > handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion > dollar enterprise. > > Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just > direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with > a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors. > Do we want to set up a website somewhere and point shoppers to Amazon.com or whatnot? (Gah, I'm thinking way too far ahead again) > Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I > think it's every three months. We can just have them send > it to Max and he can disburse any funds. > You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it would make me feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way first ^_^ > Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source > sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the > costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I > tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists > email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also > sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would > need to provide him or I with a outside email address. > I've placed them here: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ So here's what I'm thinking initially: we publish four books ("Volumes 1-4"), each entitled something like "The Fedora Book: Friends", or whatever, for each of the four foundations (freedom, friends, features, first). Each book would contain about 80 pages. (LSI requires page counts in multiples of 4; for reference, The Love Book has 96 pages.) If we go less than 80 pages, we can't put text on the spine (which would definitely help in identifying the book on a shelf with four or so different copies of The Fedora Book). 80 pages: (odd pages on right side, even on left) 1. Title page 2. Copyright (CC-BY-SA, right?)/cataloging data 3-4. Introduction by current FPL (if Paul doesn't take up two pages, make page 3 blank) 5. Introduction of the foundation whose story is being told in this book, with wonderful Four Foundations livery provided by Mo 6-77. Photos and stories of contributors 78-79. Index of contributors across all books published so far 80. Left blank because LSI told us to (they stick an internal barcode on here) I envision the pages being in full color. LSI will print a full color book, sized 8.5" x 8.5" (whoa, another parallel to The Love Book!) with 80 pages, for $8.20 per unit (book). Setup for the title comes out to $75 (half for the cover, half for the pages), and to make the book available to Amazon and the like, we are charged $12/yr for each ISBN. Add to this cost the necessity of getting a proof for each individual book. For an 80-page book, this would be $22.20. And, we need ISBNs. Doug mentioned this would be $275 for a block of 10 ISBNs. The initial cost, then, is $711.80 for the four books. Setting the wholesale markup to $15 keeps the price reasonable for both buyers and us -- we can recoup the cost for all four books with 105 sales.[1] Add to this an additional $48/yr after the first year -- and remember, this isn't including any additional books that we may want to produce after these four. Also, keep in mind that we still have six more ISBNs to do whatever with. The initial cost for the next six books would be $87 plus $12 per year after the first year. [1]: This is overall sales of all the four books, not each one. (For those who may be wondering where any of this information is, it's not in the POD manual (USOPSMANUAL080108.pdf), it's in US COLOR PRICE SHEET 091508.pdf.) I would like to mention that the proposal Doug emailed to me pertains to only one book, while this pertains to an initial four. Questions I have for you guys: 1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we can sell 105 copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or other Fedora contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the first set of four price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure. 2. On a totally unrelated note, where are we going to stick all of the photos for this project? We need somewhere where we can also enter their "story", and where others can upload their photos into a moderation queue. Flickr is what I see in my mind as being the least trouble, but it's not open source, and most of the photograhpers would need a pro account ($30something/yr) to upload many high-res photos. Oh, and we need a solution by Thursday ^_^ Plus, Paul mentioned someone taking the leadership of this project (as that would behoove him). Doug mentioned to me that he'd like to see me defined as the leader, so I'm cool with that, if everybody else is. (However I'm not sure who needs to register on LSI's website if Max is the one getting all the moneys.) I'm quite excited that we're seeing life to this project :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clintonzeimet at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 02:23:09 2009 From: clintonzeimet at gmail.com (Clint Zeimet) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:23:09 -0600 Subject: Fedora Project Marketing Team Message-ID: <981694340901031823ka94391qd739c403b3e737b0@mail.gmail.com> To whom it may concern, My name is Clinton Zeimet, and I am from Mason City, Iowa, in the United States of America. I work for Target Corporation in Guest Services, and also work as part time staff at The Music Man Square (a local tourist attraction). I also serve as a volunteer coordinator for the Iowa Independent Film Festival. My goal in the Fedora Project is to participate on a more active level in the marketing of this wonderful operating system and its vibrant community. I would like to engage in formal public discourse as an official ambassador to deliver an enthusiastic and project-aligned messaging to the public. I believe that as general computer users experience the marvelous advantages of the Fedora Operating system and its accompanying community, they will likely become as joyful as I to experience an alternative to the status quo disappointments of its closed source relatives. I would like to see usage of the Fedora OS and participation in the Fedora Project to extend further into the greater public consciousness of my locale region, and also internationally. I would also like to see Fedora and the Fedora Project become ever more attuned to the practicable needs and wants of the general computer user like me. As a former children's camp counselor and current guest services specialist and event coordinator, I believe I have the proven ability to deliver the Fedora marketing package in an effective manner. In addition, my experience as a local contributor to the U.S. presidential campaign of Howard Dean in 2004 acclimated me to the practical organizational challenges of marketing and its accompanying intangible rewards. I also have experience in team sports, theatrical productions, speech contests, writers workshops, and student government and peer counseling positions that have prepared to be an effective group participant and team player. Other than these skills, it should be known that I have no formal marketing education at the college level. I also have the native attributes of intellectual curiosity and above average ability in verbal and quantitative performance, which I would like to employ to learn more technical Linux skills as time goes on. 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Welcome to the Fedora Marketing team! We have weekly meetings on IRC where we discuss things -- there's a lot going on now -- and we're going to really hit the ground running in 2009. Hope to see you at one of our meetings! --Max From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 4 16:51:14 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:51:14 +0000 Subject: Hackfest/time based plan Message-ID: <635d8d560901040851y45095660y1ea0b9d94a855993@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Did this meeting happen? Apologies for not making it myself, but was away from internet access for the holidays. Would be interested to see the results if it did. Cheers, Jon From slasherzee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 05:29:18 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:29:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... Message-ID: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Ian Weller wrote: > Do we want to set up a website somewhere and point shoppers > to > Amazon.com or whatnot? (Gah, I'm thinking way too far > ahead again) When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that is of course one way we could go. We will have that automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted out of our profit, not from LSI. Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean we would make the most profit from our book. ............... > > Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I > > think it's every three months. We can just have > them send > > it to Max and he can disburse any funds. > > > You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it > would make me > feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way > first ^_^ I agree. If Max could handle the money, we would just be free to create books and not have to worry about money responsibilities. I think any monies should go to Red Hat anyway, even if we have to sneak it in a back door. ............... > Questions I have for you guys: > 1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we > can sell 105 > copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or > other Fedora > contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the > first set of four > price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure. I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying it, we might as well quit right now. Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. I wonder myself, and I think that after the first couple of books, which we could do bound, sales might drop off even from the most committed Fedoreans. So maybe anticipating that and going to a zine would be better in the long run. .............. > (However I'm not sure who needs to register on > LSI's website if Max is > the one getting all the moneys.) I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat venture and are just a Beta version of it, well.... -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.com From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jan 5 13:16:09 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:16:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: >> Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I think it's >> every three months. We can just have them send it to Max and he can >> disburse any funds. >> > You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it would make > me feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way first ^_^ I am ok with this, if Lightning Source is what everyone wants to do. I know nothing about Lightning Source, but I trust the judgement of the larger group. > 3-4. Introduction by current FPL (if Paul doesn't take up two pages, > make page 3 blank) If there's 4 books, I'd be honored to write an introduction for one of them as an ex-FPL. :) > 5. Introduction of the foundation whose story is being told in this > book, with wonderful Four Foundations livery provided by Mo > 6-77. Photos and stories of contributors > 78-79. Index of contributors across all books published so far > 80. Left blank because LSI told us to (they stick an internal barcode > on here) > > I envision the pages being in full color. LSI will print a full color > book, sized 8.5" x 8.5" (whoa, another parallel to The Love Book!) > with 80 pages, for $8.20 per unit (book). Setup for the title comes > out to $75 (half for the cover, half for the pages), and to make the > book available to Amazon and the like, we are charged $12/yr for each > ISBN. Sounds like a beautiful project. > The initial cost, then, is $711.80 for the four books. Setting the > wholesale markup to $15 keeps the price reasonable for both buyers and > us -- we can recoup the cost for all four books with 105 sales.[1] Add > to this an additional $48/yr after the first year -- and remember, > this isn't including any additional books that we may want to produce > after these four. Also, keep in mind that we still have six more ISBNs > to do whatever with. The initial cost for the next six books would be > $87 plus $12 per year after the first year. At this dollar figure, is it better to just produce them and hand them out as gifts to the community? We're not talking about huge amounts of money here (comparatively). > 1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we can sell 105 > copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or other Fedora > contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the first set of four > price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure. I think demand would easily surpass 105. > I'm quite excited that we're seeing life to this project :) Definitely. It's a great idea, and a great exercise in collaboration. --Max From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Jan 5 13:21:54 2009 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:21:54 +0100 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49620972.2010209@pingoured.fr> Max Spevack wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: >> 1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we can sell 105 >> copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or other Fedora >> contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the first set of four >> price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure. > > I think demand would easily surpass 105. Especially the first year/time the book is available :) Regards, Pierre From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:37:34 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090105133734.GB25582@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > (However I'm not sure who needs to register on > > LSI's website if Max is > > the one getting all the moneys.) > > I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. > LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established > corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to > the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" > button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they > will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. > > I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying > to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation > and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial > book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat > venture and are just a Beta version of it, well.... It seems to me that Max has got a plan for how to make the finances work out, whether that's by simply giving these as community gifts or using any income to fund other Fedora efforts (or simply sustain the publishing and gift-giving on the side). My only concern was that we maintain transparency in any financial accounting. I'd love to write an introduction for these. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just a thought.... -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:57:22 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:57:22 -0500 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <497452.50817.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <497452.50817.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090105135722.GE25582@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:42:42AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Max Spevack wrote: > > > At this dollar figure, is it better to just produce them > > and hand them out as gifts to the community? We're not > > talking about huge amounts of money here (comparatively). > > Exactly. Maybe the first bound book as a community give-a-way. > We'd have to eat the cost of that. Then after that we wouldn't > have to do only bound books -- we could create a 40 page picture > magazine; say one for NA; one for EMEA. When you get into > bound matter the cost goes up pretty quick. A zine would > be easier because you don't have as much to deal with like > the gullies and tight margins of a bound book. Just a thought.... I'd say there's enough demand for more than one copy of a hardbound book, though. I totally want a set for myself, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. -- Paul W. Frields ("Did someone say, 'auction'?") gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From slasherzee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 14:02:00 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090105133734.GB25582@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <810554.57498.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It seems to me that Max has got a plan for how to make the > finances > work out, whether that's by simply giving these as > community gifts or > using any income to fund other Fedora efforts (or simply > sustain the > publishing and gift-giving on the side). My only concern > was that we > maintain transparency in any financial accounting. I'd > love to write > an introduction for these. Way cool! If we do this right and keep our books affordable so more people can afford to buy them, we should pay our way and make a few bucks. Once we do a couple of books, we can gage interest and be able to adjust our costs and prices accordingly. One thing though. After FUDCON, when the pics start rolling in, we are going to be using Open Source Software to create the actual books. Most probably Scribus, Open Office, The Gimp, and ?. Maybe we could approach some of these projects and set-up an agreeable time for the most people, then have someone from these projects give us a IRC Fedora Classroom session on How-to use their stuff to create a book. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 5 14:09:44 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:09:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <810554.57498.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <810554.57498.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496214A8.9060501@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > One thing though. After FUDCON, when the pics start rolling > in, we are going to be using Open Source Software to > create the actual books. Most probably Scribus, Open Office, > The Gimp, and ?. Maybe we could approach some of these > projects and set-up an agreeable time for the most people, > then have someone from these projects give us a IRC Fedora > Classroom session on How-to use their stuff to create a > book. I think we may have enough in-house experience for the task, so maybe the class room can be held by Fedora "subject matter experts". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From slasherzee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 15:46:52 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:46:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <496214A8.9060501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <505794.2079.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Nicu Buculei wrote > > I think we may have enough in-house experience for the > task, so maybe the class room can be held by Fedora > "subject matter experts". Exactly, Nicu, thanks for the help on that other thing too. I could probably do a class on Scribus, since I have built several books using it. Maybe we can get something worked up. -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 16:24:10 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:24:10 -0900 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910901050824s718b324bw3023333ccc926d70@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > If there's 4 books, I'd be honored to write an introduction for one of them > as an ex-FPL. :) Maybe...there's a place for the entire membership of the League of Ex-FPL to write something appropriate for one of the 4 book themes. -jef From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 21:45:50 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:45:50 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910901050824s718b324bw3023333ccc926d70@mail.gmail.com> References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> <604aa7910901050824s718b324bw3023333ccc926d70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105214550.GD27903@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:24:10AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > > If there's 4 books, I'd be honored to write an introduction for one of them > > as an ex-FPL. :) > > Maybe...there's a place for the entire membership of the League of > Ex-FPL to write something appropriate for one of the 4 book themes. > I was thinking the same thing in my sleep last night. I don't want to task Paul with writing four intros, so we can definitely spread them out. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 21:55:17 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:55:17 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that > is of course one way we could go. We will have that > automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable > way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor > sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted > out of our profit, not from LSI. > > Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean > we would make the most profit from our book. The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the wholesale price, not the retail price though. That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. > I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. > Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales > are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first > book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. > The first set would be four books at once, aligning with the four foundations. We need a *lot* more marketing collateral on these and this is just another way to push that during this release cycle. > One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going > to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal > pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order > the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures > and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying > it, we might as well quit right now. > Great idea! I'll put those on the release forms we make up. > Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing > a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled > in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount > of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. > I was thinking that the idea would be that we have a nice, high-quality physical book. Quite frankly, paperback would be the least I would go in quality. > I wonder myself, and I think that after the first couple of books, > which we could do bound, sales might drop off even from the > most committed Fedoreans. So maybe anticipating that and going > to a zine would be better in the long run. > The idea for books past the four foundations set would be for specific things -- like if the KDE SIG wanted us to produce one. The demand will still be there -- just in selective groups. And as I mentioned in a previous email, for the next 6 books (which I expect to at least take a few years to get through all of those), we don't need to buy any more ISBNs, because we will already have them, so that's a lot of the cost out of the way. > I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. > LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established > corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to > the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" > button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they > will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. > I'll talk to Max about this sometime when we're both awake. > I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying > to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation > and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial > book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat > venture and are just a Beta version of it, well.... > As the footers (seemingly ironically) say: we're sponsored by Red Hat, but Red Hat is not responsible for what we do. ;) We're a community, and this will be done by the community. It bothers me not that we should have a Red Hatter register with LSI, since that makes sense, but considering it a "Red Hat" venture seems... not correct ^_^ -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 23:12:42 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:12:42 -0600 Subject: [Picture book] Getting photos Message-ID: <20090105231242.GA30724@gmail.com> We're going to use the Fedora Project wiki for uploading photos. This ensures that people who are submitting photos have indeed signed the CLA. I discussed the alternatives with Mo and it seemed like the wiki was a good solution, and Infrastructure stated that the amount of storage space shouldn't be a problem. (I'd like if people did not submit photos until after the FUDCon ones go up, but I can't really stop people from that.) Procedures are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book#Submitting_your_image Let me know if you think they should be changed. I've got a watch on the page. Media in a category automatically shows up in a gallery format -- after they enter the "to be approved" category, we can move them to different categories as necessary to sort out the incoming images. I'm thinking different levels of usability, a rating from 1 to 3, one being the most usable. The nice thing about the wiki is that people who can make the photo of higher quality can do so just by reuploading a photo for that filename. We also need to appoint who is able to "approve" and sort the photos into the rating categories. Something akin to the Fedora package review process would be good -- a list of requirements, a list of people who can review, and the process goes from there. Questions, comments, flames? (And, as a final comment -- let's hold off on the production-related discussions until probably a week or two from now when we're done sorting the FUDCon photos.) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 01:52:51 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:52:51 -0500 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090105214550.GD27903@gmail.com> References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> <604aa7910901050824s718b324bw3023333ccc926d70@mail.gmail.com> <20090105214550.GD27903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106015251.GB21964@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:45:50PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:24:10AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > > > If there's 4 books, I'd be honored to write an introduction for one of them > > > as an ex-FPL. :) > > > > Maybe...there's a place for the entire membership of the League of > > Ex-FPL to write something appropriate for one of the 4 book themes. > > > I was thinking the same thing in my sleep last night. I don't want to > task Paul with writing four intros, so we can definitely spread them > out. If I wanted to be a glory hog I'd have requested one intro, and use it in all four books. Four times the royalties, woohoo! ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 02:05:25 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:05:25 -0600 Subject: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106015251.GB21964@localhost.localdomain> References: <561152.85403.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090103231845.GA25492@gmail.com> <604aa7910901050824s718b324bw3023333ccc926d70@mail.gmail.com> <20090105214550.GD27903@gmail.com> <20090106015251.GB21964@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090106020525.GA3767@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:52:51PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > If I wanted to be a glory hog I'd have requested one intro, and use it > in all four books. Four times the royalties, woohoo! ;-) > And yet, I ask... *what* royalties :P -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 02:06:08 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:06:08 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:55:17PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that > > is of course one way we could go. We will have that > > automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable > > way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor > > sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted > > out of our profit, not from LSI. > > > > Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean > > we would make the most profit from our book. > The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the > purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have > distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the > price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the > wholesale price, not the retail price though. > > That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. Agreed about letting the distributors take up some of the work if it's possible and not too cost prohibitive. > > I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. > > Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales > > are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first > > book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. > > > The first set would be four books at once, aligning with the four > foundations. We need a *lot* more marketing collateral on these and this > is just another way to push that during this release cycle. Agreed again. It would be great to integrate Mo's graphics with the cover design, the endpapers, and/or some part of the interior page design: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/ > > One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going > > to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal > > pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order > > the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures > > and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying > > it, we might as well quit right now. > > > Great idea! I'll put those on the release forms we make up. > > > Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing > > a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled > > in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount > > of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. > > > I was thinking that the idea would be that we have a nice, high-quality > physical book. Quite frankly, paperback would be the least I would go in > quality. I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more lasting item, whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, if the cost makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be a silly requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 03:57:29 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:57:29 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:06:08PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:55:17PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the > > purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have > > distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the > > price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the > > wholesale price, not the retail price though. > > > > That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. > > Agreed about letting the distributors take up some of the work if it's > possible and not too cost prohibitive. > I don't think it is. The pricing I mentioned is for going through with the distributors plan. That is, we're setting wholesale price at $15, so not sure what it'll end up being retail (we can set a price, but who knows if it'll stick). > Agreed again. It would be great to integrate Mo's graphics with the > cover design, the endpapers, and/or some part of the interior page > design: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/ > But of course :) I'm already thinking up designs in my head. > I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more lasting item, > whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, if the cost > makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be a silly > requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. > So do I, but I also would really prefer color pages. Apparently the two options are not combinable at LSI... but if someone could call them and confirm that that'd be cool. My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback with 80 full color pages. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 04:44:18 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:44:18 -0900 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910901052044p27b471eet62e6d08336294ae6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > with 80 full color pages. If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but that seems a little odd that you can't do both. -jef From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 04:47:24 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:47:24 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910901052044p27b471eet62e6d08336294ae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> <604aa7910901052044p27b471eet62e6d08336294ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106044724.GA8315@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:44:18PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > > with 80 full color pages. > > If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but > that seems a little odd that you can't do both. > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jan 6 07:55:03 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:55:03 +0200 Subject: [Picture book] Getting photos In-Reply-To: <20090105231242.GA30724@gmail.com> References: <20090105231242.GA30724@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49630E57.4010702@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > Procedures are available at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book#Submitting_your_image > Let me know if you think they should be changed. I've got a watch on the > page. Media in a category automatically shows up in a gallery format -- > after they enter the "to be approved" category, we can move them to > different categories as necessary to sort out the incoming images. I'm > thinking different levels of usability, a rating from 1 to 3, one being > the most usable. I think is is wise to provide a nice PDF of a basic Release Form people can't use, here is my initial proposal in editable format, please improve it as necessary (it uses the MgOpen Modata font): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Release-form.odt -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 17:19:08 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106044724.GA8315@gmail.com> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> <604aa7910901052044p27b471eet62e6d08336294ae6@mail.gmail.com> <20090106044724.GA8315@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106171908.GV13045@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:47:24PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:44:18PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > 2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > > > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > > > with 80 full color pages. > > > > If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but > > that seems a little odd that you can't do both. > > > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going > off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ You may need to chmod 644 those docs -- I can't access them here. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 20:10:23 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:10:23 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106171908.GV13045@localhost.localdomain> References: <676790.51048.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090105215517.GE27903@gmail.com> <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> <20090106035729.GA6500@gmail.com> <604aa7910901052044p27b471eet62e6d08336294ae6@mail.gmail.com> <20090106044724.GA8315@gmail.com> <20090106171908.GV13045@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090106201022.GA8922@gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:19:08PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:47:24PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > > > > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going > > off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ > > You may need to chmod 644 those docs -- I can't access them here. > Oh. Thanks, done :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 7 05:36:13 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:06:13 +0530 Subject: Feedback on "The ups and downs of Fedora 10" In-Reply-To: <4939B17E.5050502@fedoraproject.org> References: <4939B17E.5050502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49643F4D.1080009@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi Northbear, > > I came across your short review of Fedora 10 at > > http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=498 > > Thank for your review. I would like to add some comments to provide more > information and correct a few inaccuracies in your article. > A correct was published in response at http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=501 Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jan 7 11:29:15 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:29:15 -0500 Subject: Welcome to 2009 Message-ID: <4964920B.8070401@redhat.com> Hey Guys, I've been back in action since Monday, sorry I didn't post anything else to the list sooner, I was regrouping with all my stuff from the last 2 weeks and taking care of all the email and misc foo stuff that piled up. I would like to thank Doug, Ian, Nicu and everyone else who has been putting alot of effort into the Picture Book. Awesome work, lets keep at it, FUDCon this weekend will sure make for some good material I hope. Otherwise, we will also be filming for the Face of Fedora video project this weekend and we still have lots to talk about regarding a Fedora Magazine. We are also scheduled to have a meeting tomorrow and I wanted to know if the regular scheduled time still works for everyone? Thanks and keep up all the awesome work, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jan 7 12:00:06 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:00:06 -0500 Subject: Fedora Project Marketing Team In-Reply-To: <981694340901031823ka94391qd739c403b3e737b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <981694340901031823ka94391qd739c403b3e737b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49649946.9080800@redhat.com> Hello Clinton, Fantastic introduction! We look forward to having you join our community and our team and I am sure you will find it rewarding and a great experience. We are currently working on a number of interesting and cool projects, we are always open to new ideas and we have weekly meetings on Thursdays at 17.00 UTC (Greenwich mean time). You can use tools at timeanddate.com to convert it to your timezone. If you could make it to this week's meeting I would love to have you talk about yourself and your experience briefly and how you think we can help you and vice-versa. Whaddaya say? Thanks, Jack Clint Zeimet wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > My name is Clinton Zeimet, and I am from Mason City, Iowa, in the > United States of America. I work for Target Corporation in Guest > Services, and also work as part time staff at The Music Man Square (a > local tourist attraction). I also serve as a volunteer coordinator > for the Iowa Independent Film Festival. > > My goal in the Fedora Project is to participate on a more active level > in the marketing of this wonderful operating system and its vibrant > community. I would like to engage in formal public discourse as an > official ambassador to deliver an enthusiastic and project-aligned > messaging to the public. I believe that as general computer users > experience the marvelous advantages of the Fedora Operating system and > its accompanying community, they will likely become as joyful as I to > experience an alternative to the status quo disappointments of its > closed source relatives. I would like to see usage of the Fedora OS > and participation in the Fedora Project to extend further into the > greater public consciousness of my locale region, and also > internationally. I would also like to see Fedora and the Fedora > Project become ever more attuned to the practicable needs and wants of > the general computer user like me. > > As a former children's camp counselor and current guest services > specialist and event coordinator, I believe I have the proven ability > to deliver the Fedora marketing package in an effective manner. In > addition, my experience as a local contributor to the U.S. > presidential campaign of Howard Dean in 2004 acclimated me to the > practical organizational challenges of marketing and its accompanying > intangible rewards. I also have experience in team sports, theatrical > productions, speech contests, writers workshops, and student > government and peer counseling positions that have prepared to be an > effective group participant and team player. Other than these skills, > it should be known that I have no formal marketing education at the > college level. > > I also have the native attributes of intellectual curiosity and above > average ability in verbal and quantitative performance, which I would > like to employ to learn more technical Linux skills as time goes on. > > Thank you for considering me to join the Fedora Project in a more > active manner that will match my enthusiasm and abilities. > > Sincerely, > > Clinton Zeimet From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 7 13:53:25 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:53:25 +0100 Subject: Welcome to 2009 In-Reply-To: <4964920B.8070401@redhat.com> References: <4964920B.8070401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > We are also scheduled to have a meeting tomorrow and I wanted to know if the > regular scheduled time still works for everyone? > > Thanks and keep up all the awesome work, > Jack > Is it possible to hold it at 19.00 UTC instead of 20.00 UTC? If not, absolutely no problems, I'll try to be there. Regards Francesco Ugolini From slasherzee at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 20:52:14 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:52:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <20090106020608.GC21964@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <894769.13967.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more > lasting item, > whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, > if the cost > makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be > a silly > requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. Hardbacks are more expensive to create, but it should not be that much. One way we could go would be to sell the book at our cost. Not add anything to the price, or at least adjust the price down to compensation for the change in cover. I know Ian was planning on having the first books pay for the rest of them, but maybe we can work something out. -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedora.com From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 00:39:56 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:39:56 -0600 Subject: Welcome to 2009 In-Reply-To: <4964920B.8070401@redhat.com> References: <4964920B.8070401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090108003956.GA12198@gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 06:29:15AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I would like to thank Doug, Ian, Nicu and everyone else who has been > putting alot of effort into the Picture Book. Awesome work, lets keep > at it, FUDCon this weekend will sure make for some good material I hope. > Hellz yes! Get your "hard-at-work-but-still-having-fun" faces ready. ;) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 8 09:31:44 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:31:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book.... In-Reply-To: <894769.13967.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <894769.13967.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4965C800.6060802@nicubunu.ro> Doug Berry wrote: > > Hardbacks are more expensive to create, but it should not > be that much. One way we could go would be to sell the book > at our cost. Not add anything to the price, or at least > adjust the price down to compensation for the change in > cover. If we plan to sell about 100-200 pieces from a book, adding a few dollars to the price will probably bring something under $1000 in total. I don't think that is worth and better having the books as cheap as possible (not adding anything) and make them as affordable ass possible, so the number of purchasers may be larger. Spreading more Fedora love is more important IMO. > I know Ian was planning on having the first books pay for > the rest of them, but maybe we can work something out. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jan 8 17:18:36 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:18:36 -0500 Subject: Meeting Today @ 19.00 UTC Message-ID: <4966356C.4080201@redhat.com> My time zones are messed up so I do believe this is at 2PM Eastern, 11 Pacific. Where: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net What: The current agenda + See you all there! Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 17:21:56 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:21:56 -0600 Subject: Meeting Today @ 19.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4966356C.4080201@redhat.com> References: <4966356C.4080201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090108172156.GB9638@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:18:36PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > My time zones are messed up so I do believe this is at 2PM Eastern, 11 > Pacific. > I think I'll be on a plane, but I'll make it if my layover is during this time in Atlanta. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Azam, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Charles > > View invitation from Charles Peng > > > DID YOU KNOW *you can be the first to know when a trusted member of your > network changes jobs?* > With Network Updates on your LinkedIn home page, you'll be notified as > members of your network change their current position. Be the first to know > and reach out! > > > (c) 2008, LinkedIn Corporation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please send it to individuals only. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From linux.usrs at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 09:16:44 2009 From: linux.usrs at gmail.com (Charles Peng) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:16:44 +0800 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <2050839045.7968584.1231491126781.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <224ac7ba0901090105sc01bf8csbe1aa285bfe6ed01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Haha, I am really sorry Mailing list? It's my fault, but it's automatically chosen by LinkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So you mistakenly sent the invitation to the marketing list address instead of some individual people. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From linux.usrs at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 09:19:17 2009 From: linux.usrs at gmail.com (Charles Peng) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:19:17 +0800 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <4967160F.8090606@nicubunu.ro> References: <2050839045.7968584.1231491126781.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <224ac7ba0901090105sc01bf8csbe1aa285bfe6ed01@mail.gmail.com> <4967160F.8090606@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Yes, I use LinkedIN's tool to automactically connect with those are LinkedIn member from my Gmail contacts. I'm sorry again -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Attempting to get all four books done at the same time is... probably very complicated. == Release forms == Spot got me temporary release forms to use for this weekend, but for any other photos we will need a more generic release form that I'm being told RH Legal is working on. In the meantime, come up with great ideas ^_^ We will need hard copies of release forms so more than likely people will need to mail forms to a localish Red Hat office so that can go to whoever we appoint. More information on that when we get the release forms done. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, how about scanning and sending a scan of the signed form? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 13:37:24 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:37:24 -0600 Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: <496B081E.9000507@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> <496B081E.9000507@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090112133724.GA27246@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:06:38AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > About signing the release forms, what if we have a cool photo made > previously and no chance to meet in person with the subject again very > soon? I think it should be OK to ask him to sign and fax the form, I see > this used very often in business. Also, how about scanning and sending a > scan of the signed form? > This seems like the sane way to go but spot wanted me to have original copies, AFAICT. I'll point him to this message though. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll point him to this message though. Faxed/scanned forms would allow to use photos from past event, like FUDCons from 2008 and this way we can kickstart the book with a large amount of already existing materials. Back when I contributed to Red Hat Magazine, it was enough to send by fax a signed contract, so I expect the policy inside Red Hat to be consistent. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tcallawa at redhat.com Mon Jan 12 15:17:34 2009 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: <496B519A.2010005@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> <496B081E.9000507@nicubunu.ro> <20090112133724.GA27246@gmail.com> <496B519A.2010005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1231773454.3541.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 16:20 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:06:38AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> About signing the release forms, what if we have a cool photo made > >> previously and no chance to meet in person with the subject again very > >> soon? I think it should be OK to ask him to sign and fax the form, I see > >> this used very often in business. Also, how about scanning and sending a > >> scan of the signed form? > >> > > This seems like the sane way to go but spot wanted me to have original > > copies, AFAICT. I'll point him to this message though. > > Faxed/scanned forms would allow to use photos from past event, like > FUDCons from 2008 and this way we can kickstart the book with a large > amount of already existing materials. > Back when I contributed to Red Hat Magazine, it was enough to send by > fax a signed contract, so I expect the policy inside Red Hat to be > consistent. Lawyers have changed a few times recently. The short answer is that you cannot use that form for anything aside from FUDCon. No scanning, no faxing, nothing. RH Legal is working on a digital form that works for our photobook needs. As soon as that shows up, I'll pass it along. Thanks, ~spot From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Mon Jan 12 16:27:02 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:27:02 -0200 Subject: Fedora Carbon Zero Project Message-ID: <496B6F56.50109@projetofedora.org> Hello Guys! I'm creating the Fedora Zero Carbon Project. I will neutralize the carbon emissions of our server (LATAM). COMPUTER WORLD RESEARCH: 1 Dedicated Web Server = 1.200 KWh/year = 632 Kg CO2 / year So, to neutralize one server we need 3 Trees. Now, i need informations about all servers that we have in Fedora Project to neutralize. I Will plant 4 trees by server! Some ideas from Jayme to represent this project: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/carbon.png -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Mon Jan 12 17:46:17 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:46:17 -0200 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon Project Message-ID: <496B81E9.6020606@projetofedora.org> Hello Guys! I'm creating the Fedora Zero Carbon Project. I will neutralize the carbon emissions of our server (LATAM). COMPUTER WORLD RESEARCH: 1 Dedicated Web Server = 1.200 KWh/year = 632 Kg CO2 / year So, to neutralize one server we need 3 Trees. Now, i need informations about all servers that we have in Fedora Project to neutralize. I Will plant 4 trees by server! Some ideas from Jayme to represent this project: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/carbon.png -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 19:52:26 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:52:26 -0600 Subject: [slasherzee@yahoo.com: [Ambassadors] About Picture Book.....] Message-ID: <20090112195226.GA3928@gmail.com> Once again posted to the wrong list, forwarding for clarity. ----- Forwarded message from Doug Berry ----- Delivered-To: ianweller at gmail.com DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Berry To: Fedora Ambassadors Subject: [Ambassadors] About Picture Book..... Precedence: junk Reply-To: slasherzee at yahoo.com, fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Errors-To: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com I contacted a friend at LSI about making full-color interior hard-cover books. As soon as I hear something I will post it here. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With its platform, the community can evaluate different tools, give presentations about one's EDA software and identify the most appropriate software for his/her design methodology. http://xuropa.com http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2008/12/professional-marketing-strategy-for-eda.html == About the Online Lab == This youtube video describes the "Online Lab" package and how a subscribed user can acess FEL on Xuropa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yDZnAPI-nw&feature=related Among the 4 packages (Online Kiosk,Online Booth,Online Suite and Online Lab), Online Lab is the most expensive in accordance to: http://www.xuropa.com/zone_restricted.php?zone_id=51 This package includes : # Secure invite-only access to your products # Remote product beta-testing # Remote product training # Remote product evaluations The above video demonstrate what "remote" here means and how training and beta testing can be carried out. There will be no FEL download from Xuropa's website. == Marketing == With our FEL LiveDVD, we - bring electronic engineers/students closer to opensource community - do marketing for our upstream projects such as gEDA/gaf, opencircuitdesign,pharosc, perl-verilog*,.. - .... Now with this Online Lab we can bring FEL to the "next level" and give upstream more chances to post their papers and do presentations via FEL. Xuropa's platform simulate an online conference hall. In other words like it is like an event /forum, but online. Every exhibitor has its booth(with a fee) and presentation, but online to help networking between ASIC engineers. Though, with this exhibition strategy, I am obeying all Fedora ground rules, I'm requesting again the usage of Fedora trademark to market fedora and its packages. Thereby, I also like to precise there will only be packages approved and built on our dear koji. As you know, my intention about FEL is NOT about packaging electronics tools for fedora, but to centralize(in fedora) _most_ electronic tools to create design flows for micro-nano electronics and help opensource developers to improve and distribute their tools with respect to electronic industry trends. Thereby this means encourage upstreams to communicate with other upstreams and help them market their software for the real world. In the electronics world, opensource EDA tools we have are far from the professional environment where huge companies spend billions of dollars in research and development. Hence with Xuropa, FEL enters the big world of electronics where those multi-billions EDA vendors are, to give our upstream projects room to market themselves through FEL. == Donation feature == Xuropa's cofounder proposes a "donation" paypal feature for which they will take a percentage of it. I'm ok with it. My question is, is Fedora Board you ok with it ? They would then collect funds and wire to "us" 85% of the proceeds after expenses (paypal's and hardware and license costs). This may not be very much to start, but it will build over time. However, if we are lucky, I guess we will get $100. I nominate MaxSpevack to be in charge of all money transaction, since he manages Fedora's budget already. IF we do happen to get lucky, maybe it would be nice to use "Fedora Scholarship" to get more contributors to FEL :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scholarship == How Fedora benefit from this == The Online Lab as the above youtube video demonstrates, subscribers can access a Fedora session and use the FEL applications, rate, give feedbacks and get familiar to FEL without download and installation. It is a chance to show the quality-class distribution Fedora is and what a Fedora user can achieve with FEL. Companies willing to opensource their inhouse tools/scripts will more likely use Fedora as a means to bring new features to the opensource EDA tools on Fedora. - Xuropa will provide FEL for others to use on their servers. (if people like it, they will download it and promote/rate it) - Many Field Application Engineers will hear Fedora for the first time. - opensource EDA tools will be on the same rank as commercial tools in terms of people mindset about "it's free it's not that good" - more eda bloggers will blog about industry class opensource tools such as perl-Verilog*, gtkwave, tkdiff - We will have more concrete real life suggestions for improvements from big names. We FEL contributors will learn from their experience and leadership skills - (I hope) FEL developers will grant access to some confidential publications for free :) I hope - all this depends on how we(FEL) can help to shape the opensource EDA community to work together. - ..................... - and what I wish the most, help big EDA vendors license their opensource tools in a free distribuable way and use FEL as a means to do so. - more linux support from the chip vendors (if you look at the websites of maxim-ic or linear technology,.. ) they provide free tools to use with their chips. Chip samples anyone can order for free. But it is sad that their tools can't be run under linux. Lots of tiny things like that FEL will benefit from and make others benefit from it. I know it is a long shot, but we all know there is a need to satisfy and I believe we can do step by step. We will hit walls for sure, but we will also have bright days ahead of us. CAD engineers who send time evaluating beta versions of vendors tools on RedHat/CentOS will follow what the next RHEL will provide. == How Upstream projects benefit from this == - More chances that in-house tools or scripts will be opensourced by companies. - More chances upstream tools will have contributors who are willing to shape opensource tools for real life usage - More chances for free marketing or maybe sponsoring - A means to make presentations to the masses via our presence on Xuropa. ..... (more during fosdem) I hope Fedora Board will see this as an opportunity to help both our upstream projects and our new Fedora users. Kind regards, Chitlesh Goorah From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jan 13 11:44:59 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:44:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > == Photos == > Mo is amazing and got really creative photos for the book at FUDConF11. > They're currently on her Flickr page[1] and we'll be eventually moving > them into our wiki-based system of checking what photos we actually > can/want to use (more on that later). > > [1]: http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/sets/72157612400838690/ Sorry if I missed this in earlier emails. What's the plan for pictures for people who weren't at FUDCon? Using pictures from other Fedora events that they were at? --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jan 13 12:42:56 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> Message-ID: <496C8C50.6000808@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: > >> == Photos == >> Mo is amazing and got really creative photos for the book at FUDConF11. >> They're currently on her Flickr page[1] and we'll be eventually moving >> them into our wiki-based system of checking what photos we actually >> can/want to use (more on that later). >> >> [1]: http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/sets/72157612400838690/ > > Sorry if I missed this in earlier emails. What's the plan for pictures > for people who weren't at FUDCon? Using pictures from other Fedora > events that they were at? That is a tricky question and something I am also interested in (I sit on a ton of photos from Brno): we have the legal problem of needing release forms signed by the people in picture. At the Boston FUDCon they had a form which was good only then. We wait for Red Hat legal to come with another form with a wider applicability. For photos made at past events, we have to track the subjects and make them sign the papers. So far is not clear if faxed/scanned signed papers are enough or we have to take the extra trouble of sending originals. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jan 13 12:55:15 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:55:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: <496C8C50.6000808@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> <496C8C50.6000808@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Nicu Buculei wrote: > That is a tricky question and something I am also interested in (I sit > on a ton of photos from Brno): we have the legal problem of needing > release forms signed by the people in picture. At the Boston FUDCon > they had a form which was good only then. We wait for Red Hat legal to > come with another form with a wider applicability. > > For photos made at past events, we have to track the subjects and make > them sign the papers. So far is not clear if faxed/scanned signed > papers are enough or we have to take the extra trouble of sending > originals. I'm specifically thinking of the tons of great pictures we have from FUDCon Brno, and the pictures that we'll get at FOSDEM. --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jan 13 13:51:37 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:51:37 +0200 Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> <496C8C50.6000808@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <496C9C69.1010206@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> That is a tricky question and something I am also interested in (I sit >> on a ton of photos from Brno): we have the legal problem of needing >> release forms signed by the people in picture. At the Boston FUDCon >> they had a form which was good only then. We wait for Red Hat legal to >> come with another form with a wider applicability. >> >> For photos made at past events, we have to track the subjects and make >> them sign the papers. So far is not clear if faxed/scanned signed >> papers are enough or we have to take the extra trouble of sending >> originals. > > I'm specifically thinking of the tons of great pictures we have from > FUDCon Brno, and the pictures that we'll get at FOSDEM. Then be sure Red Hat legal will give us a release form which we can use retroactively and allow us to get somehow signatures (over the internet would be ideal)... it is out of our hands at this point and is all about "intellectual property". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mg at hacka.net Tue Jan 13 20:36:49 2009 From: mg at hacka.net (Magnus Glantz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:36:49 +0100 Subject: Making contribution to the Fedora project less abstract Message-ID: <1231879009.13090.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello there, I have an idea and some thoughts about getting more contributors into the Fedora project (sub-projects and SIGs). I have 5 years experience working in a larger (30,000 employees) Telco company trying to get a lot of those people involved in Open Source. What I've learned is the following: Most people.. 1) ..does not know what Open Source is or/and.. 2) ..have a wrong idea of what Open Source is or/and.. 3) ..is afraid of Open Source. So I was thinking, what can convince most people like this, that joining up and contributing to Fedora is a good idea? First off. Joining an Open Source project is something pretty abstract, if you don't know much or anything at all about what Open Source or an Open Source project is. So, I thought you bright guys and girls at Marketing could think something up :-) My initial thought was to somehow give people an easy-to-take-in insight into the Fedora Project - making it possible for people to understand how to contribute. For example: * Feature some fun key and non-key people - What they do, the story how they became a contributor. * Fun and inspiring pictures from conferances and etc. Making contribution to the Fedora project less abstract. Showing people who is behind the logo.. and what it could be to be a part of the Fedora project. This may be information that is easy to access from fedoraproject.org main page and information that ambassadors may distribute or refer to. - Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Key: 0DB53317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 21:38:53 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:38:53 -0600 Subject: [Picture book] Where we stand right now In-Reply-To: <20090113213709.GA9300@gmail.com> References: <20090111214307.GA2277@gmail.com> <496C8C50.6000808@nicubunu.ro> <496C9C69.1010206@nicubunu.ro> <20090113213709.GA9300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090113213853.GB9300@gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 03:37:09PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > Talked to spot, he said the new release form can be transmitted in any > way (mail, fax, scan/email). > > Once we actually have it, we'll get this process going. In the meantime, > I'm still going to have fun trying to figure out how to organize this > all on the wiki. > Or maybe I ought to refer to what spot actually wrote. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-January/msg00058.html -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Talked to spot, he said the new release form can be transmitted in any way (mail, fax, scan/email). Once we actually have it, we'll get this process going. In the meantime, I'm still going to have fun trying to figure out how to organize this all on the wiki. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Showing people > who is behind the logo.. and what it could be to be a part of the Fedora > project. > > This may be information that is easy to access from fedoraproject.org > main page and information that ambassadors may distribute or refer to. > > > - > Best regards, > Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz > E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net > GPG Key: 0DB53317 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg > You mean like the picture book? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 13 22:34:35 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:34:35 -0500 Subject: Making contribution to the Fedora project less abstract In-Reply-To: <1231879009.13090.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1231879009.13090.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090113223435.GB21105@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2009-01-13 09:36:49 PM, Magnus Glantz wrote: > This may be information that is easy to access from fedoraproject.org > main page and information that ambassadors may distribute or refer to. Wow, this is excellent - it's exactly what we were talking about in the last websites team meeting (log at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-January/msg00029.html). We'd love to have you and the marketing team's input on how to attract contributors as well. Also, if you or anybody is interested, stop by the next websites meeting, which should be at 2009-01-19 22:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Showing people > > who is behind the logo.. and what it could be to be a part of the Fedora > > project. > > > > This may be information that is easy to access from fedoraproject.org > > main page and information that ambassadors may distribute or refer to. > > > > > > - > > Best regards, > > Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz > You mean like the picture book? Well, not only like a picture book. Also covering other aspects, like telling people in a very simple and non-scary/abstract way what Open Source and/or the Fedora project is about. My thought is an "answer the most common questions" kind of page. Confronting what I think is the main reasons for people not contributing (Does not know what Open Source is, Has a wrong idea what Open Source is or Is afraid of Open Source). Using pictures and stories is a part of making Open Source less abstract. Also, the content of this page is probably more flexible. Eg. featured people may change more often. So this page also brings forth individuals in the project and gives them a bit of fame :-) One may perhaps might use such a page to feature a more distinct 'this months new contributor' in a more in-depth interview. Or that might be a separate idea/page. -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Key: 0DB53317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 14:19:35 2009 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Md. Rashid) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:19:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <2072195056.10650492.1231942775579.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Md. Rashid requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ S. M. Azam, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Ahsan View invitation from Md. 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It looks like someone (Azam) put a wrong address in the wrong place and this spam will not stop without corrective action. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 18:58:03 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:58:03 -0500 Subject: Xuropa offers FEL free exhibition space In-Reply-To: <50baabb30901121345v3df00672k1ea31413c02228f@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30901121345v3df00672k1ea31413c02228f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090114185803.GA24702@localhost.localdomain> Setting reply-to, we need to track Board issues on the FAB list where possible. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:45:33PM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > Asking Fedora Board's approval to procede. Snipping to Board-specific area below... This is a worthy and interesting project, Chitlesh. [...snip...] > Though, with this exhibition strategy, I am obeying all Fedora ground > rules, I'm requesting again the usage of Fedora trademark to market > fedora and its packages. Thereby, I also like to precise there will > only be packages approved and built on our dear koji. So the trademark is to be used to present a fully 100% Fedora spin, as approved through the spins process, only on a third-party web site. Is that correct? > == Donation feature == > > Xuropa's cofounder proposes a "donation" paypal feature for which they > will take a percentage of it. I'm ok with it. My question is, is > Fedora Board you ok with it ? > > They would then collect funds and wire to "us" 85% of the proceeds > after expenses (paypal's and hardware and license costs). This may > not be very much to start, but it will build over time. However, if we > are lucky, I guess we will get $100. > > I nominate MaxSpevack to be in charge of all money transaction, since > he manages Fedora's budget already. 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I think it could be, if we were able to have a long standing and very specific reason to take donations. Personally I would for example LOVE to see a way for community to donate towards the endowment of another Fedora scholarship instead of just having Red Hat pony up all the money.. I'd like to see some sort of corporate matching challenge with regard to the scholarship program. I even think I mentioned that to Greg at one point. Or take in donations for travel grants for Fedora contributors to apply for to go to conferences. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 15 13:59:12 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:29:12 +0530 Subject: FEL in Electronics For You Message-ID: <496F4130.1050208@fedoraproject.org> Hi EFY this month is again shipping with FEL, this time, the Fedora 10 Live DVD. Pic at http://flickr.com/photos/runa-sankarshan/3199011932/ Rahul From mg at hacka.net Thu Jan 15 20:16:39 2009 From: mg at hacka.net (Magnus Glantz) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:16:39 +0100 Subject: Making contribution to the Fedora project less abstract In-Reply-To: <20090113223435.GB21105@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <1231879009.13090.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090113223435.GB21105@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <1232050599.3770.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> tis 2009-01-13 klockan 17:34 -0500 skrev Ricky Zhou: > On 2009-01-13 09:36:49 PM, Magnus Glantz wrote: > > This may be information that is easy to access from fedoraproject.org > > main page and information that ambassadors may distribute or refer to. > Wow, this is excellent - it's exactly what we were talking about in the > last websites team meeting (log at > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-January/msg00029.html). > We'd love to have you and the marketing team's input on how to attract > contributors as well. Also, if you or anybody is interested, stop by > the next websites meeting, which should be at 2009-01-19 22:00 UTC in > #fedora-meeting on Freenode. > > Thanks, > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Sounds great, I'll try and make that meeting. -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Key: 0DB53317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jan 15 20:33:15 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:33:15 -0800 Subject: Help getting the word out about Summer of Code 2009 Message-ID: <20090115203315.GN7770@calliope.phig.org> Google has decided to return with their Summer of Code program for 2009. We can expect the program to be a bit smaller in size, making the student competition part more important. When we have an influx of great students and ideas, our mentors can collaborate to make very strong proposals. Strong proposals get us the most student slots. This last year we did a modest increase in our noisiness (marketing) about the Summer of Code. The results were pretty good[1]. Compared to 2007, our best year to that point, we had three times the number of mentors step forward, three times the proposals, and more than twice the number of student slots. Imagine how it could be if more people than just me were promoting Fedora and JBoss.org's presence in the Summer of Code? Do you have any interest in: * Planning a Summer of Code promotion for Fedora/JBoss.org * Running the promotion You may wonder, why JBoss.org? Mainly that I don't think Google is going to separate the organizations this year; with slim participation available, they are going to be looking for any ways to consolidate further. I don't know who from JBoss.org is interested in planning and promoting this. However, the situation makes us dependent on each other and the quality of projects. Fortunately, this situation worked out rather well last year. More information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_coding Thanks - Karsten [1] http://iquaid.org/2008/04/21/gsoc-statistics-snapshot/ -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When we have an influx > of great students and ideas, our mentors can collaborate to make very > strong proposals. Strong proposals get us the most student slots. > > This last year we did a modest increase in our noisiness (marketing) > about the Summer of Code. The results were pretty good[1]. Compared > to 2007, our best year to that point, we had three times the number of > mentors step forward, three times the proposals, and more than twice > the number of student slots. > > Imagine how it could be if more people than just me were promoting > Fedora and JBoss.org's presence in the Summer of Code? > > Do you have any interest in: > > * Planning a Summer of Code promotion for Fedora/JBoss.org > * Running the promotion > > You may wonder, why JBoss.org? Mainly that I don't think Google is going > to separate the organizations this year; with slim participation > available, they are going to be looking for any ways to consolidate > further. 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Is it the official FEL livedvd spin? because I see there are other text on the dvd cover. @Aanjhan You asked me to review and prepare an FEL article for Electronic for You magazine for last night. Is this the same article that is bundled into the magazine ? Chitlesh From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 23:37:39 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:07:39 +0530 Subject: FEL in Electronics For You In-Reply-To: <50baabb30901151509y4b81d3a7m47304f909ba99167@mail.gmail.com> References: <496F4130.1050208@fedoraproject.org> <50baabb30901151509y4b81d3a7m47304f909ba99167@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00901151537o6a7bb5e6ld361db8df6b2c65e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Sounds like they like FEL :) They do. EFY does have a reasonably loyal subscriber base. > Has anyone bought the magazine? Is it the official FEL livedvd spin? > because I see there are other text on the dvd cover. I can check that out since I have the magazine with me. > @Aanjhan > You asked me to review and prepare an FEL article for Electronic for > You magazine for last night. Is this the same article that is bundled > into the magazine ? That is for LFY and is scheduled for Feb09 if the final article can be pushed to them by 16th Jan end of day (India time). LFY did a F10 special in the Jan09 issue : http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/3193857316/ and, http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/3193856798/ ~s -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From slasherzee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 06:47:20 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:47:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture book.... Message-ID: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Community, Sorry I did not get back sooner. My friend at LSI called my cell phone -- I was waiting for an email. Did not check my messages until today. The gist of what she said is that we can indeed do a hard cover full color book, but we would have to do so using off-set printing. And she could not give a cost estimate, because the cost would depend on how much color and the degree of difficulty for the printer in setting up the book. Off-set would probably create a much better looking book, as far as image quality goes. It is the industry standard for printing high quality books. But using off-set, each color page would require that four separate plates would have to be made to produce a color image. Blue, red, yellow, and black is the way they used to describe it, but now it is CMYK (short for cyan, magenta, yellow, and key (black) We could, however, use a mixture of b&w and color pages. Then we would pay less for the b&w pages that don't have color on them. Still, since we are not driven to make a huge profit off of each book, we could adjust the book price to allow for the additional printing costs. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jan 16 17:20:32 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:20:32 -0800 Subject: Help getting the word out about Summer of Code 2009 In-Reply-To: <496FA480.4040108@devnox.be> References: <20090115203315.GN7770@calliope.phig.org> <496FA480.4040108@devnox.be> Message-ID: <20090116172032.GT7770@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:02:56PM +0100, Bert Desmet wrote: > hello, > > I want to help planning and running a summer of code promotion for > Fedora/JBoss.org. I think I am fitted for the job, because I am still a > student, and so, I could maybe get closer (or faster) to other students > than people that allready have a professional life. Hi Bert, That's a great point. We can go further and ask Ambassadors and Campus Ambassadors to help spread the word. I started a planning page and added to the two of us to it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_promotion_plan_2009 To work on the promotion, you'll need wiki editing rights. I don't see a Fedora account under your name, but if you create one, you'll be able to edit the wiki with it. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ cheers - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am an ambassador myself (but only > recently, I'm new to the community) > I think we also need a designer, who can design some flyers? IIRC, the Fedora Art team has a design queue on the wiki where you can make requests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Probably not a bad idea to drop a line on the fedora-art-list, if anyone's a subscriber there. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 21:42:33 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:42:33 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:47:20PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > Hey Community, > > Sorry I did not get back sooner. My friend at > LSI called my cell phone -- I was waiting for > an email. Did not check my messages until today. > > The gist of what she said is that we can indeed > do a hard cover full color book, but we would > have to do so using off-set printing. > > And she could not give a cost estimate, because > the cost would depend on how much color and the > degree of difficulty for the printer in setting > up the book. > > Off-set would probably create a much better > looking book, as far as image quality goes. > It is the industry standard for printing high > quality books. > > But using off-set, each color page would > require that four separate plates would have > to be made to produce a color image. Blue, red, > yellow, and black is the way they used to describe > it, but now it is CMYK (short for cyan, magenta, > yellow, and key (black) We could, however, use > a mixture of b&w and color pages. Then we would pay > less for the b&w pages that don't have color on them. > > Still, since we are not driven to make a > huge profit off of each book, we could adjust > the book price to allow for the additional > printing costs. > With the current state of the economy and everything I want to make these books as affordable as possible to the consumers. I think paperback with color pages is the way to go. But we can vote or whatever on that later. More importantly, we need to decide the requirements for photos in the book. Nicu, can you help us out on that? Also I'm getting prepared on how tos on uploading photos to the wiki, release forms, etc. Once that's ready to roll, we'll have a process worked out for contributing your photos and stories to the book. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From affix at FedoraProject.org Sat Jan 17 08:26:48 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:26:48 +0000 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would also go paperback it seems to be conciderally more affordable. However it seems to have a bad habbit of falling appart. 2009/1/16 Ian Weller > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:47:20PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > Hey Community, > > > > Sorry I did not get back sooner. My friend at > > LSI called my cell phone -- I was waiting for > > an email. Did not check my messages until today. > > > > The gist of what she said is that we can indeed > > do a hard cover full color book, but we would > > have to do so using off-set printing. > > > > And she could not give a cost estimate, because > > the cost would depend on how much color and the > > degree of difficulty for the printer in setting > > up the book. > > > > Off-set would probably create a much better > > looking book, as far as image quality goes. > > It is the industry standard for printing high > > quality books. > > > > But using off-set, each color page would > > require that four separate plates would have > > to be made to produce a color image. Blue, red, > > yellow, and black is the way they used to describe > > it, but now it is CMYK (short for cyan, magenta, > > yellow, and key (black) We could, however, use > > a mixture of b&w and color pages. Then we would pay > > less for the b&w pages that don't have color on them. > > > > Still, since we are not driven to make a > > huge profit off of each book, we could adjust > > the book price to allow for the additional > > printing costs. > > > With the current state of the economy and everything I want to make > these books as affordable as possible to the consumers. > > I think paperback with color pages is the way to go. But we can vote or > whatever on that later. > > More importantly, we need to decide the requirements for photos in the > book. Nicu, can you help us out on that? > > Also I'm getting prepared on how tos on uploading photos to the wiki, > release forms, etc. Once that's ready to roll, we'll have a process > worked out for contributing your photos and stories to the book. > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 14:41:34 2009 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:41:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora takes care about the planet? FZC Proyect Message-ID: Hi all: Is not a secret that our world passes for a critical time: excessive pollution, the indiscriminate felling of trees, the irrational use of natural resources, global warming and many other things that have made me wonder what can we do? Lot of people including informatics and people relationed with technology thinks is this a location outside and cant do anything. But it is always possible make a grand of sand... everybody can save the world. Regarding Fedora: - Fedora promotes some kind of ecology? We do not need strict recycling policies or abstinence, from simple things like "the last person exiting please turn off the light." - In development policies Fedora how we save? Reuse of software components is a very common practice. Can we measure it? Can we save more? - Promote the use of the Live USB Creator. How well would you do if instead of burning the CD / DVD, use the Live USB Creator using your own memory stick? Think about this: every 6 months with each release hundreds of discs become obsolete. The USB is a way certainly more rational environmentally speaking. - What features are in Fedora that promote energy savings? Personally I think that Fedora should come with default saving policies stricter starting turning off the monitor instead of darkening the screen. - What features could be included in Fedora that promote saving and efficiency of the system? - Planting trees at least 3 for each server 24 / 7 that we have. (Thanks to Fedora Brazil) With this in mind, Fedora could be promoted not only as a operating system friendly to the planet, this reinforces the sense of community, Fedora user is not only a computer user is a good citizen. Now, discussing this inside Latam Community, we have agreed create the Fedora Zero Carbon Proyect (Fedora Cero Carbono in spanish). 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Cell: (+88) 01715621323 ???: (+??)??????????? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > >> This is not the first time Fedora lists have had social networking >> invitation spam. >> >> Everyone, please be careful with what you do! >> > > If you look at those messages, they are addressed to S. M. Azam Rashdi, who > is supposed to have the mailing list as hid own email address. It looks like > someone (Azam) put a wrong address in the wrong place and this spam will not > stop without corrective action. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When it comes to fighting CO2 emissions from the Fedora Project, perhaps OK'd way of doing that should be established. From what I've read in the Swedish news, some ways are better than others. According to the *World Bank, global trades in the carbon market in 2007 were valued at more than $64 billion.. It's probable that not all of those $64 billions worth of trade holds the same standard or gets the same effect per $. There are bound to be some shady characters trying to earn a quick buck. * http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTABOUTUS/ORGANIZATION/EXTSDNETWORK/0,,contentMDK:21763373~menuPK:3981802~pagePK:64159605~piPK:64157667~theSitePK:3167628,00.html -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Key: 0DB53317 Fingerprint: DDCE BD02 793C 5C2E 8C5C 3FE9 1E1E 7593 0DB5 3317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 19 08:19:01 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:19:01 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > More importantly, we need to decide the requirements for photos in the > book. Nicu, can you help us out on that? The most important requirement from a technical point of view is to have the images big enough, so depending on the paper size we may want to resuest something like at least 4 or 5 Megapixels (multiply the page size in inches with 300 DPI and we get the minimum resolution needed in pixels). We can also talk about file formats and require either RAW or JPEG with a high quality, we have to accept JPEG as not all cameras are capable of producing RAW, but a JPEG saved with a quality factor of 85 (with visible JPEG artefacts) is unacceptable, so we may go with something like at least 98. Not sure about post-processing, like some noise reduction, sharpening or color adjustments: we'll do this ourselves for the selected images or require the submitter to to it. I feel more inclined for doing it ourselves, as it will allow contributions from more people. I don't think we can list requirements from an artistic point of view (quality, composition), as those are hard to define. This is where we will have to make the selection from the submitted pool. And you already know about the legal requirements. > Also I'm getting prepared on how tos on uploading photos to the wiki, > release forms, etc. Once that's ready to roll, we'll have a process > worked out for contributing your photos and stories to the book. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 15:11:10 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:11:10 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:19:01AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > The most important requirement from a technical point of view is to have > the images big enough, so depending on the paper size we may want to > resuest something like at least 4 or 5 Megapixels (multiply the page > size in inches with 300 DPI and we get the minimum resolution needed in > pixels). > I think to give us more freedom we'll want to ask for photos that could theoretically fill the entire page, but we might put more than one photo on a page (in some format... hmm) to break some things up and put room for text. > We can also talk about file formats and require either RAW or JPEG with > a high quality, we have to accept JPEG as not all cameras are capable of > producing RAW, but a JPEG saved with a quality factor of 85 (with > visible JPEG artefacts) is unacceptable, so we may go with something > like at least 98. > Can we just ask people to place the quality settings on their camera to the highest possible? > Not sure about post-processing, like some noise reduction, sharpening or > color adjustments: we'll do this ourselves for the selected images or > require the submitter to to it. I feel more inclined for doing it > ourselves, as it will allow contributions from more people. > > I don't think we can list requirements from an artistic point of view > (quality, composition), as those are hard to define. This is where we > will have to make the selection from the submitted pool. > Right. How about we ask people to submit multiple shots? I'm thinking I'm going to need to create a workflow of some sort for all of this... -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 19 15:43:56 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:43:56 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49749FBC.3020801@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:19:01AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> The most important requirement from a technical point of view is to have >> the images big enough, so depending on the paper size we may want to >> resuest something like at least 4 or 5 Megapixels (multiply the page >> size in inches with 300 DPI and we get the minimum resolution needed in >> pixels). >> > I think to give us more freedom we'll want to ask for photos that could > theoretically fill the entire page, but we might put more than one photo > on a page (in some format... hmm) to break some things up and put room > for text. Probably if a camera can't take photos at at least 4 MB, probably it can't take worthy photos anyway (i.e. the camera on my phone, or a webcam). 4 MP is 2272 x 1704, si this is probably a safe minimum. >> We can also talk about file formats and require either RAW or JPEG with >> a high quality, we have to accept JPEG as not all cameras are capable of >> producing RAW, but a JPEG saved with a quality factor of 85 (with >> visible JPEG artefacts) is unacceptable, so we may go with something >> like at least 98. >> > Can we just ask people to place the quality settings on their camera to > the highest possible? I was thinking here more about post processing and saving from a graphic editor. > Right. How about we ask people to submit multiple shots? IMO, we should ask people so submit as many shots as they can/want/have. > I'm thinking I'm going to need to create a workflow of some sort for all > of this... With things to check: license, release forms, size, quality. We can ask in a first stage only smaller previews for selection and only for the selected images follow with release forms and big files. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 19 16:26:51 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:56:51 +0530 Subject: Interview with Tom "Spot" Callaway, Fedora Engineering Manager Message-ID: <4974A9CB.8070008@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.hardware.no/artikler/tom_spot_callaway_english/66947/2 "One of the nicest things about FOSS is that when you're really doing it right, when you're contributing code and changes back to the upstream, everyone benefits. So, from that perspective, we really don't feel like we're competing with other Linux distributions that are contributing their changes upstream. With Windows or Mac, I think there is a certain amount of friendly competition, but we're really just trying to build a better product with a better ideology. FOSS conquers by being faster, better, and free, there is no need for a conscious plan to destroy Windows, because, then what? Besides, we get some of our best ideas by simply avoiding Microsoft's mistakes. Hehe." Rahul From axelilly at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 16:34:46 2009 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:34:46 -0500 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> Message-ID: Speaking of paper...is there a way that we could make sure that the book was printed on as much recycled paper as possible? =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Jason aka, Axelilly Catch me on gchat or Jabber =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= 2009/1/17 Keiran Smith > I would also go paperback it seems to be conciderally more affordable. > However it seems to have a bad habbit of falling appart. > > 2009/1/16 Ian Weller > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:47:20PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: >> > Hey Community, >> > >> > Sorry I did not get back sooner. My friend at >> > LSI called my cell phone -- I was waiting for >> > an email. Did not check my messages until today. >> > >> > The gist of what she said is that we can indeed >> > do a hard cover full color book, but we would >> > have to do so using off-set printing. >> > >> > And she could not give a cost estimate, because >> > the cost would depend on how much color and the >> > degree of difficulty for the printer in setting >> > up the book. >> > >> > Off-set would probably create a much better >> > looking book, as far as image quality goes. >> > It is the industry standard for printing high >> > quality books. >> > >> > But using off-set, each color page would >> > require that four separate plates would have >> > to be made to produce a color image. Blue, red, >> > yellow, and black is the way they used to describe >> > it, but now it is CMYK (short for cyan, magenta, >> > yellow, and key (black) We could, however, use >> > a mixture of b&w and color pages. Then we would pay >> > less for the b&w pages that don't have color on them. >> > >> > Still, since we are not driven to make a >> > huge profit off of each book, we could adjust >> > the book price to allow for the additional >> > printing costs. >> > >> With the current state of the economy and everything I want to make >> these books as affordable as possible to the consumers. >> >> I think paperback with color pages is the way to go. But we can vote or >> whatever on that later. >> >> More importantly, we need to decide the requirements for photos in the >> book. 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URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 19 18:09:48 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:09:48 +0000 Subject: Meeting this thursday? Message-ID: <635d8d560901191009w78e79bc6ia26dc818640b042e@mail.gmail.com> Is there a meeting this Thursday? Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 19:50:15 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:50:15 -0900 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/19 Ian Weller : > Can we just ask people to place the quality settings on their camera to > the highest possible? Do you really want me to upload raw format from my d200? -jef"still trying to find a way to brand some sleddogs with fedora logos."spaleta From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 20:07:34 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:07:34 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:50:15AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Do you really want me to upload raw format from my d200? > If Nicu thinks that's a sane size given that we're planning to upload them to the wiki, then yes. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> Message-ID: <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:50:15AM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> Do you really want me to upload raw format from my d200? >> > If Nicu thinks that's a sane size given that we're planning to upload > them to the wiki, then yes. My RAWs are about 15MB, I guess Jeff's are around 12MB (for a 10MP camera), I believe the main problem is not the storage, the problem is the extra steps needed to easily work with files: you can't see RAW files inside your browser and the wiki can't create thumbnails for them. This is why is probably better to upload to the wiki a JPEG preview and only if the photo is selected for the book provide the RAW original (if available). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jan 21 17:10:53 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:10:53 -0500 Subject: Meeting this thursday? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560901191009w78e79bc6ia26dc818640b042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560901191009w78e79bc6ia26dc818640b042e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4977571D.9040804@redhat.com> Yes absolutely. We will have out meeting as scheduled. Look for the announcement later today and a reminder tomorrow. Jack Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Is there a meeting this Thursday? > > Jon > > From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jan 21 19:18:57 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:18:57 -0500 Subject: Meeting Tomorrow 22/1/2009 Message-ID: <49777521.5060400@redhat.com> Hello Everyone, We will be meeting tomorrow The 22nd of January 2009. When: 19.00 UTC, 2pm Eastern Time, 11am Pacific, 21:00 Athens. Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting What: The task list @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks I would really like to focus on updates to the picture book and the progress on the video. I think next week we will start serious consideration regarding the magazine. See you all then, Jack From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 23:46:11 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:46:11 -0600 Subject: Meeting Tomorrow 22/1/2009 In-Reply-To: <49777521.5060400@redhat.com> References: <49777521.5060400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090121234611.GB3408@gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 02:18:57PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > We will be meeting tomorrow The 22nd of January 2009. > > When: 19.00 UTC, 2pm Eastern Time, 11am Pacific, 21:00 Athens. > Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting > What: The task list @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > I would really like to focus on updates to the picture book and the > progress on the video. I think next week we will start serious > consideration regarding the magazine. > It'd be great if I could actually attend, but I can't (school). -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 06:52:50 2009 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <319810.90800.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Nicu Buculei wrote: > The most important requirement from a technical point of > view is to have the images big enough, so depending on the > paper size we may want to resuest something like at least 4 > or 5 Megapixels (multiply the page size in inches with 300 > DPI and we get the minimum resolution needed in pixels). Hey, I've been out of touch for the last week and trying to catch up. One thing I would like to suggest is that someone, either Max or Ian W, go to the LSI web site and register us as an official client. LSI has exact standards that we will have to meet before they WILL accept our books for publication. I'm not sure if they are still the same, but the old standard (mid-2007) used to be that all images had to be 300(+) dpi TIFFs. I am unsure whether that is the current standard we would have to meet, or not. But before we start, we should know exactly what their standards are. When we register, they will send us all the specs. Then we can shoot for them from the start. -- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From linux.rafa at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 14:33:06 2009 From: linux.rafa at gmail.com (Rafael Gomes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:33:06 -0300 Subject: Meeting Tomorrow 22/1/2009 In-Reply-To: <20090121234611.GB3408@gmail.com> References: <49777521.5060400@redhat.com> <20090121234611.GB3408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7256ccd50901220633n37d04day46ea42b10c089719@mail.gmail.com> I wanna begin go to these meetings, but in this time I will have English class :( So I will go in the next time. Thanks Rafael Gomes Consultor em TI Embaixador Fedora LPIC-1 (71) 8146-5772 2009/1/21 Ian Weller > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 02:18:57PM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > We will be meeting tomorrow The 22nd of January 2009. > > > > When: 19.00 UTC, 2pm Eastern Time, 11am Pacific, 21:00 Athens. > > Where: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting > > What: The task list @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > > > I would really like to focus on updates to the picture book and the > > progress on the video. 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After the recent acceptance of Btrfs into the main Linux development tree, chosen by some well known Linux file system developers as the "next generation filesystem" for Linux, the Fedora developers didn't wait and have already included support for Btrfs in Fedora Rawhide. So now, users of the Fedora development tree, which is updated virtually daily, can already play around with this still experimental file system, without having to grapple with compiling the kernel and suitable user space applications." Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ext4_to_be_standard_for_Fedora_11_Btrfs_also_included Rahul From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 20:13:13 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:13:13 -0800 Subject: Alpha Release Readiness Message-ID: <4978D359.1020805@redhat.com> With the Alpha Release for Fedora 11 scheduled for Tuesday, February 3, 2009, this means it is time to meet again with representatives from each of the teams to have our release readiness meeting. We usually have this meeting at 18:00 UTC (13:00 EST) the Wednesday before, which means next Wednesday, January 28, 2009, is the day. On Monday, January 26, 2009, I will be sending out the dial-in information and a meeting reminder to all the attendees. In the meantime I need to know who will be representing your group at these meetings for the Fedora 11 meetings. Usually this is the designated team leader, but I wanted to ask to make sure you coordinate within your team to make sure someone comes. When responding to this list, please CC me so that I am sure to see the reply. This message is going out to the respective mailings lists for these groups: Ambassadors Artwork/Design Documentation FESCo Infrastructure Marketing Quality Release Engineering Translation Websites Thanks, John From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 20:45:24 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:45:24 -0500 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... Message-ID: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> Hello All, I think we need to discuss certain details surrounding the marketing meetings, such day and time. Over the last 3 meetings we have had very poor attendance and I think the meetings might be conflicting with class times of certain contributors, now that US universities are back in session. The meetings are vital for us as a forum to get together and discuss what we are working on and to gauge progress and exchange ideas. I would like everyone to take about 10 minutes out of their day and please let me know: 1. Is there any specific reason due to which you do not or have not recently participated in meetings? 2. When do you think is the best day and time for a meeting? 3. Is there anything else we can be doing inside the meetings that might make the meetings more valuable to you? 4. Is there anything else that we can do in marketing, in general, that you think would make the project more valuable and beneficial to Fedora as a whole? I'm just trying to get some open exchange of feedback so that we can figure out what our areas for improvement are and what goals we should be striving for and how we can start working together again so that we can build sustainable momentum. Prior to the holiday break we were full steam ahead and things sort of died down. So I'll throw this one to you guys... Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 20:46:49 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:46:49 -0500 Subject: Alpha Release Readiness In-Reply-To: <4978D359.1020805@redhat.com> References: <4978D359.1020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4978DB39.8070707@redhat.com> If no one else on the marketing team minds, I would like to be there. That is not to say that I take that right exclusively, but I would like to be one of the participants. Thanks, Jack John Poelstra wrote: > With the Alpha Release for Fedora 11 scheduled for Tuesday, February > 3, 2009, this means it is time to meet again with representatives from > each of the teams to have our release readiness meeting. We usually > have this meeting at 18:00 UTC (13:00 EST) the Wednesday before, which > means next Wednesday, January 28, 2009, is the day. > > On Monday, January 26, 2009, I will be sending out the dial-in > information and a meeting reminder to all the attendees. > > In the meantime I need to know who will be representing your group at > these meetings for the Fedora 11 meetings. Usually this is the > designated team leader, but I wanted to ask to make sure you > coordinate within your team to make sure someone comes. When > responding to this list, please CC me so that I am sure to see the reply. > > This message is going out to the respective mailings lists for these > groups: > > Ambassadors > Artwork/Design > Documentation > FESCo > Infrastructure > Marketing > Quality > Release Engineering > Translation > Websites > > Thanks, > John > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 22 20:54:45 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:54:45 -0500 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... In-Reply-To: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> References: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4978DD15.8040801@fedoraproject.org> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > I think we need to discuss certain details surrounding the marketing > meetings, such day and time. Over the last 3 meetings we have had very > poor attendance and I think the meetings might be conflicting with class > times of certain contributors, now that US universities are back in > session. I've had a recurring item on my calendar for the marketing meeting for a long time that has it marked as 3 pm (ET). I wonder if I've been missing them because they shifted back to 2 pm with the US daylight savings switch some weeks ago. > > The meetings are vital for us as a forum to get together and discuss > what we are working on and to gauge progress and exchange ideas. > > I would like everyone to take about 10 minutes out of their day and > please let me know: > > 1. Is there any specific reason due to which you do not or have not > recently participated in meetings? I thought it was at 3 today because that's what I've always had on my calendar. > 2. When do you think is the best day and time for a meeting? 3 on thursday is fine. ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 21:40:38 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:40:38 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <319810.90800.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <319810.90800.qm@web63502.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090122214038.GA3628@gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:52:50PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > Hey, I've been out of touch for the last week and trying to > catch up. One thing I would like to suggest is that someone, > either Max or Ian W, go to the LSI web site and register us > as an official client. > > LSI has exact standards that we will have to meet before they > WILL accept our books for publication. I'm not sure if they > are still the same, but the old standard (mid-2007) used to > be that all images had to be 300(+) dpi TIFFs. > > I am unsure whether that is the current standard we would > have to meet, or not. But before we start, we should know > exactly what their standards are. When we register, they > will send us all the specs. Then we can shoot for them > from the start. > I think we ought to wait on this until we have more creative ideas and a lot more photos, and a process for getting those photos on the wiki, and a release form. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just can't. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rharrison at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 22 23:21:26 2009 From: rharrison at fedoraproject.org (Russell Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:21:26 -0500 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... In-Reply-To: <4978DD15.8040801@fedoraproject.org> References: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> <4978DD15.8040801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130901221521g492d576agdab05672f89dc9a9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > I've had a recurring item on my calendar for the marketing meeting for a > long time that has it marked as 3 pm (ET). > > I wonder if I've been missing them because they shifted back to 2 pm with > the US daylight savings switch some weeks ago. I think I'm in the same boat. I showed up at 3 today and noticed the message in my IRC logs announcing the start of the meeting at 2. I'll have to see if I can get evolution to schedule it using UTC instead of my local time. Russell From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jan 23 03:57:47 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:57:47 -0500 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130901221521g492d576agdab05672f89dc9a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> <4978DD15.8040801@fedoraproject.org> <1ed4a0130901221521g492d576agdab05672f89dc9a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4979403B.3010802@redhat.com> Russell Harrison wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> I've had a recurring item on my calendar for the marketing meeting for a >> long time that has it marked as 3 pm (ET). >> >> I wonder if I've been missing them because they shifted back to 2 pm with >> the US daylight savings switch some weeks ago. >> > > I think I'm in the same boat. I showed up at 3 today and noticed the > message in my IRC logs announcing the start of the meeting at 2. I'll > have to see if I can get evolution to schedule it using UTC instead of > my local time. > > Russell > > I sent out the reminders saying 17.00 UTC which is 2 Eastern. If people want to change it to 3, and that works better for everyone we can certainly do so. What do you guys think? Jack From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jan 23 09:37:00 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:37:00 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > This is why is probably better to upload to the wiki a JPEG preview and > only if the photo is selected for the book provide the RAW original (if > available). 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Jon From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Jan 23 15:07:24 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:07:24 -0200 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon - Updated Message-ID: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> Hello Guys. Wiki updated with some informations and pictures. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zero_Carbon "Fedora!! Ecological conscience!" -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 15:07:21 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:07:21 -0500 Subject: Alpha Release Readiness In-Reply-To: <635d8d560901230138qa7c9f4bsc67bb7464da32238@mail.gmail.com> References: <4978D359.1020805@redhat.com> <4978DB39.8070707@redhat.com> <635d8d560901230138qa7c9f4bsc67bb7464da32238@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/23/09, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2009/1/22 Jack Aboutboul : >> If no one else on the marketing team minds, I would like to be there. >> That >> is not to say that I take that right exclusively, but I would like to be >> one >> of the participants. > > I've been doing it in the past, but I'm more than happy for you to do it! As long as you guys agree who will be there for Marketing, it's all good. Paul From mg at hacka.net Fri Jan 23 17:22:14 2009 From: mg at hacka.net (Magnus Glantz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:22:14 +0100 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon - Updated In-Reply-To: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> References: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1232731334.3803.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre 2009-01-23 klockan 13:07 -0200 skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > Hello Guys. > > Wiki updated with some informations and pictures. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zero_Carbon > > "Fedora!! Ecological conscience!" > > -- > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > http://www.proyectofedora.org > > Looks very good! I love this initiative! Seems the page lacks a validation system for trees planted. Try to add instructions on how people can contribute. Eg. * Go out in the forest and plant N trees. Photograph it as evidence that it has been done. Publish the photos at the Zero Carbon page. or.. * Go to any website and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to someguy at fedoraproject. * Go to any of the APPROVED websites and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to someguy at fedoraproject. Also, when it comes to planting a tree manually without any middlemen involved. Perhaps there should be instruction on how to do that? Something like http://www.wikihow.com/Plant-a-Tree or etc. Done improperly the trees may just die. -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Fingerprint: DDCE BD02 793C 5C2E 8C5C 3FE9 1E1E 7593 0DB5 3317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 23 17:37:48 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:37:48 +0100 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... In-Reply-To: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> References: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > 1. Is there any specific reason due to which you do not or have not recently > participated in meetings? I had to prepare exams and sometimes I have to accomplish some unplanned duties. > 2. When do you think is the best day and time for a meeting? Current date/time is perfect. If I haven't any other duty to deal with after 18.00 UTC, I'm pleased to share my POV. > 3. Is there anything else we can be doing inside the meetings that might > make the meetings more valuable to you? This isn't something from past meetings (that I've the honor to attend): I think it's necessary to let people know what Marketing Project means, I know it's quite a stupid thing (I'm sorry if I pointed this), but I think if many of the mktg members would know what are the projects activities/goals many people will join meetings. I think this could be resumed in the principle that If there are goals, there is activity and, consequentially, people. > 4. Is there anything else that we can do in marketing, in general, that you > think would make the project more valuable and beneficial to Fedora as a > whole? > There is a marvellous Marketing Plan: I think it's necessary to organize activities to explain its content and, then, focus on activities based on it. Actually only few people understand the marketing plan and all the connected activities: before acting there is planning, but between those two elements it's necessary an explanation i order to get the tasks done. BTW, I want to let you know FAmSCo has created a task to better collaborate with marketing, working spreading among Ambassadors the mktg plan and use it as a mainly tool to direct the promotional activities in events and so on (p.s. This task is currently under development). Regards Francesco Ugolini From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Jan 23 17:39:39 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:39:39 -0200 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon - Updated In-Reply-To: <1232731334.3803.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> <1232731334.3803.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <497A00DB.8030906@projetofedora.org> Magnus Glantz escreveu: > fre 2009-01-23 klockan 13:07 -0200 skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: >> Hello Guys. >> >> Wiki updated with some informations and pictures. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zero_Carbon >> >> "Fedora!! Ecological conscience!" >> >> -- >> >> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira >> M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ >> Fedora Community Manager - Latin America >> http://www.proyectofedora.org >> >> > Looks very good! I love this initiative! > > Seems the page lacks a validation system for trees planted. > > Try to add instructions on how people can contribute. > > Eg. > * Go out in the forest and plant N trees. Photograph it as evidence that > it has been done. Publish the photos at the Zero Carbon page. > or.. > * Go to any website and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to > someguy at fedoraproject. > * Go to any of the APPROVED websites and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt > to someguy at fedoraproject. > > Also, when it comes to planting a tree manually without any middlemen > involved. Perhaps there should be instruction on how to do that? > Something like http://www.wikihow.com/Plant-a-Tree or etc. Done > improperly the trees may just die. > You can help too.... add this informations on wiki ;-) -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From romulojales at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 17:44:14 2009 From: romulojales at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4mulo_Jales?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:14 -0300 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon - Updated In-Reply-To: <497A00DB.8030906@projetofedora.org> References: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> <1232731334.3803.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497A00DB.8030906@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <579d75cc0901230944j51a03487xa8ad36a177d9a70b@mail.gmail.com> Can you take some picutures? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 14:39, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira < rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org> wrote: > Magnus Glantz escreveu: > > fre 2009-01-23 klockan 13:07 -0200 skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > >> Hello Guys. > >> > >> Wiki updated with some informations and pictures. > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zero_Carbon > >> > >> "Fedora!! Ecological conscience!" > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > >> M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > >> Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > >> http://www.proyectofedora.org > >> > >> > > Looks very good! I love this initiative! > > > > Seems the page lacks a validation system for trees planted. > > > > Try to add instructions on how people can contribute. > > > > Eg. > > * Go out in the forest and plant N trees. Photograph it as evidence that > > it has been done. Publish the photos at the Zero Carbon page. > > or.. > > * Go to any website and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to > > someguy at fedoraproject. > > * Go to any of the APPROVED websites and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt > > to someguy at fedoraproject. > > > > Also, when it comes to planting a tree manually without any middlemen > > involved. Perhaps there should be instruction on how to do that? > > Something like http://www.wikihow.com/Plant-a-Tree or etc. Done > > improperly the trees may just die. > > > > You can help too.... add this informations on wiki ;-) > > -- > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > http://www.proyectofedora.org > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- R?mulo Jales F?, F? na catucagem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ecological conscience!" > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > >> M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > >> Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > >> http://www.proyectofedora.org > >> > >> > > Looks very good! I love this initiative! > > > > Seems the page lacks a validation system for trees planted. > > > > Try to add instructions on how people can contribute. > > > > Eg. > > * Go out in the forest and plant N trees. Photograph it as > evidence that > > it has been done. Publish the photos at the Zero Carbon page. > > or.. > > * Go to any website and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to > > someguy at fedoraproject. > > * Go to any of the APPROVED websites and buy N trees, e-mail the > receipt > > to someguy at fedoraproject. > > > > Also, when it comes to planting a tree manually without any middlemen > > involved. Perhaps there should be instruction on how to do that? > > Something like http://www.wikihow.com/Plant-a-Tree or etc. Done > > improperly the trees may just die. > > > > You can help too.... add this informations on wiki ;-) > > -- > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > http://www.proyectofedora.org > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > R?mulo Jales > F?, F? na catucagem. > -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From mg at hacka.net Fri Jan 23 21:46:56 2009 From: mg at hacka.net (Magnus Glantz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:46:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Zero Carbon - Updated In-Reply-To: <497A00DB.8030906@projetofedora.org> References: <4979DD2C.8060905@projetofedora.org> <1232731334.3803.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <497A00DB.8030906@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1232747216.3794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre 2009-01-23 klockan 15:39 -0200 skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > Magnus Glantz escreveu: > > fre 2009-01-23 klockan 13:07 -0200 skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > >> Hello Guys. > >> > >> Wiki updated with some informations and pictures. > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zero_Carbon > >> > >> "Fedora!! Ecological conscience!" > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > >> M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > >> Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > >> http://www.proyectofedora.org > >> > >> > > Looks very good! I love this initiative! > > > > Seems the page lacks a validation system for trees planted. > > > > Try to add instructions on how people can contribute. > > > > Eg. > > * Go out in the forest and plant N trees. Photograph it as evidence that > > it has been done. Publish the photos at the Zero Carbon page. > > or.. > > * Go to any website and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt to > > someguy at fedoraproject. > > * Go to any of the APPROVED websites and buy N trees, e-mail the receipt > > to someguy at fedoraproject. > > > > Also, when it comes to planting a tree manually without any middlemen > > involved. Perhaps there should be instruction on how to do that? > > Something like http://www.wikihow.com/Plant-a-Tree or etc. Done > > improperly the trees may just die. > > > > You can help too.... add this informations on wiki ;-) > > -- > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > http://www.proyectofedora.org > I'm very sorry my friend. I'm streched too thin atm. I'd love to help when I get a bit more time in my hands (that will probably be spring time). :-) -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Fingerprint: DDCE BD02 793C 5C2E 8C5C 3FE9 1E1E 7593 0DB5 3317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 21:52:01 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:52:01 -0600 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090123215201.GB12758@gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:37:00AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> This is why is probably better to upload to the wiki a JPEG preview and >> only if the photo is selected for the book provide the RAW original (if >> available). > > I sketched this flowchart about how I see the process for a contributing > photographer. > This works. I'll figure out how to organize photos on the wiki appropriately. How do we upload RAWs to the wiki though? I'm not sure if we can or can't as of yet. I'd need a list of possible file extensions before that can be enabled. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What we can do is form a group in the fedora account system, ask everyone to affirm to a set of guidelines when joining that group..and then trust people to abide by the guidelines. Those guidelines could include keeping a personal log or something to be submitted annually for review by the Zero Carbon group. If someone is found to have not lived up to those guidelines you remove them from the group and substract their trees as part of that review. -jef From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Jan 24 09:27:47 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:27:47 +0100 Subject: Press Archive page on the wiki Message-ID: <1232789267.3069.10.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Hello all, Lately, I was looking at the Marketing section on the wiki to update it a little bit, some pages are sadly not updated since a long time. My particular complaint goes to the Press Archive page, which is a useful tool to see Fedora's progression in the press. Currently, I seem the only one to maintain it with links to French press articles. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive It would be very nice if people from the marketing group in other languages (Rahul, you are the first in line) could update this page when they see Fedora related articles on major news websites. Also, do we still need the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/General page? It seems pretty useless to me. Thanks and have a nice day Steven Moix From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Jan 24 09:31:43 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:31:43 +0100 Subject: About the Marketing Meetings... In-Reply-To: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> References: <4978DAE4.50408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1232789503.3069.14.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Hello, On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 15:45 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > 1. Is there any specific reason due to which you do not or have not > recently participated in meetings? School, exams, semester end = no time left :) > 2. When do you think is the best day and time for a meeting? For me, it's perfectly fine with the actual time, maybe 1h earlier. > 3. Is there anything else we can be doing inside the meetings that might > make the meetings more valuable to you? Not really, the main discussions are happening on the mailinglist anyway as far as I can tell. > 4. Is there anything else that we can do in marketing, in general, that > you think would make the project more valuable and beneficial to Fedora > as a whole? Update the wiki to have current information in it, so it can be a good resource when we need Fedora related stories and marketing facts ;) Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 24 14:48:23 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:18:23 +0530 Subject: Adam Williamson hired by Red Hat Message-ID: <497B2A37.50400@fedoraproject.org> Hi Former community manager of Mandriva and very active guy in the forefront in that community was laid off by Mandriva a while back. Red Hat has hired him now to work on automating QA in Fedora. http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/23/job-announcement/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 24 14:56:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:26:26 +0530 Subject: Press Archive page on the wiki In-Reply-To: <1232789267.3069.10.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> References: <1232789267.3069.10.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Message-ID: <497B2C1A.5000606@fedoraproject.org> Steven Moix wrote: > Hello all, > > Lately, I was looking at the Marketing section on the wiki to update it > a little bit, some pages are sadly not updated since a long time. > My particular complaint goes to the Press Archive page, which is a > useful tool to see Fedora's progression in the press. Currently, I seem > the only one to maintain it with links to French press articles. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > It would be very nice if people from the marketing group in other > languages (Rahul, you are the first in line) could update this page when > they see Fedora related articles on major news websites. > > Also, do we still need the > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/General page? It > seems pretty useless to me. > > Thanks and have a nice day Yep. Helpful if you or others interested can help get it updated. You will find many posts in the list archives for reference. Rahul From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Jan 24 15:00:40 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:00:40 +0100 Subject: Press Archive page on the wiki In-Reply-To: <497B2C1A.5000606@fedoraproject.org> References: <1232789267.3069.10.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> <497B2C1A.5000606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1232809240.5060.1.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 20:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Steven Moix wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Lately, I was looking at the Marketing section on the wiki to update it > > a little bit, some pages are sadly not updated since a long time. > > My particular complaint goes to the Press Archive page, which is a > > useful tool to see Fedora's progression in the press. Currently, I seem > > the only one to maintain it with links to French press articles. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > > > It would be very nice if people from the marketing group in other > > languages (Rahul, you are the first in line) could update this page when > > they see Fedora related articles on major news websites. > > > > Also, do we still need the > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/General page? It > > seems pretty useless to me. > > > > Thanks and have a nice day > > Yep. Helpful if you or others interested can help get it updated. You > will find many posts in the list archives for reference. Don't bother too much for the old news, if you could add an entry every time you post a news on this mailinglist from now, it would be enough I think. I'll continue to update the content for the French press. Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 24 15:05:04 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:35:04 +0530 Subject: Press Archive page on the wiki In-Reply-To: <1232809240.5060.1.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> References: <1232789267.3069.10.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> <497B2C1A.5000606@fedoraproject.org> <1232809240.5060.1.camel@hp6710.axianet.ch> Message-ID: <497B2E20.3090802@fedoraproject.org> Steven Moix wrote: > Don't bother too much for the old news, if you could add an entry every > time you post a news on this mailinglist from now, it would be enough I > think. I'll continue to update the content for the French press. Alright, will try to do that. Please post to list as well when updating the wiki (links to machine translated pages would be helpful) for others to keep track of what is being updated more easily. Rahul From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 18:42:24 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:42:24 -0800 Subject: Adam Williamson hired by Red Hat In-Reply-To: <497B2A37.50400@fedoraproject.org> References: <497B2A37.50400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7a0d56080901241042n7580873av2ce5ff202041a225@mail.gmail.com> Clearly an excellent choice: I've dealt with Adam in his role at Mandriva (around the Lindependence Project, which I helped organize) and found him to be very knowledgeable and helpful. Welcome aboard, Adam. Larry Cafiero http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Former community manager of Mandriva and very active guy in the forefront > in that community was laid off by Mandriva a while back. Red Hat has hired > him now to work on automating QA in Fedora. > > http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/23/job-announcement/ > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sun Jan 25 19:48:02 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:48:02 +0100 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <497CC1F2.1090502@gmx.de> Hy there, I actually get a flickr stream from a friend of me and I thought it maybe give some people lets say a little idea how it can feel to have such photos for a picture book. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vowe/tags/faceslotusphere/ I find these pictures VERY good and can also imagine how they can look in a book with some text or so around them. Maybe after FOSDEM some guys could also take such great /facesoffedora/ sets... Sadly, I can not be there, but I hope to find such fotos soon on flickr or elswhere on our wiki... best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 26 09:51:59 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:51:59 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <20090123215201.GB12758@gmail.com> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> <20090123215201.GB12758@gmail.com> Message-ID: <497D87BF.2070006@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > How do we upload RAWs to the wiki though? I'm not sure if we can or > can't as of yet. I'd need a list of possible file extensions before that > can be enabled. Just like any other type of files our wiki don't know how to deal with, for example SVG, thus the usefulness of a JPEG preview. However, I don't expect a lot of submissions in RAW, most of use use JPEG. RAW is handy if it is available, but is not a must. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 26 09:56:44 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:56:44 +0200 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <497CC1F2.1090502@gmx.de> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> <497CC1F2.1090502@gmx.de> Message-ID: <497D88DC.2040408@nicubunu.ro> wonderer wrote: > I actually get a flickr stream from a friend of me and I thought it > maybe give some people lets say a little idea how it can feel to have > such photos for a picture book. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/vowe/tags/faceslotusphere/ > > I find these pictures VERY good and can also imagine how they can look > in a book with some text or so around them. Maybe after FOSDEM some guys > could also take such great /facesoffedora/ sets... > Sadly, I can not be there, but I hope to find such fotos soon on flickr > or elswhere on our wiki... Those are indeed beautiful portraits, but I think we want to send a different message, using not only people faces but also saying "fedora", "freedom", "friends", etc., like those: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3187020674/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3187015470/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3187014986/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3186935960/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3186093895/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3184700237/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 26 10:09:57 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:39:57 +0530 Subject: Vincent Danan, ex-Mandriva, now part of security response team at Red Hat Message-ID: <497D8BF5.8060306@fedoraproject.org> Hi Another addition. http://linsec.ca/blog/category/linux/red-hat/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 26 13:05:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:35:44 +0530 Subject: Q&A with Paul Frields at Red Hat Message-ID: <497DB528.2040101@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/26/qa-with-paul-frields-at-red-hat "What makes us unique, as I mentioned earlier, is that we do everything the open source way. You'll never hear us announcing that Fedora is open sourcing a product we use, because we *start* with 100% free and open source, always. I think building a free software distribution without using free software completely defeats the point of what you're doing. Anyone should be free at any time to look at the Fedora Project, say, "I can do that better," and then fork whatever they want to do a better job. Our job, as Fedora, is to make sure they never need to do that." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 26 13:28:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:58:44 +0530 Subject: rawdog - feed aggregator Message-ID: <497DBA8C.80705@fedoraproject.org> Hi PlanetPlanet like feed aggregator used by Planet KDE http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 26 13:32:24 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:02:24 +0530 Subject: rawdog - feed aggregator In-Reply-To: <497DBA8C.80705@fedoraproject.org> References: <497DBA8C.80705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <497DBB68.3060004@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > PlanetPlanet like feed aggregator used by Planet KDE > > > http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html oops - wrong list. ignore Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jan 26 15:09:54 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:09:54 -0500 Subject: Meeting this Thursday 29/1 Message-ID: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> Hey All, If we were to have a meeting this week on Thursday, the 29th, at 17.00 UTC, how many people think they could attend? If we moved the time on Thursday would more people be able to make it? Just trying to take care of some logistics... Thanks, Jack From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 15:39:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:39:43 -0500 Subject: Meeting this Thursday 29/1 In-Reply-To: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> References: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090126153943.GL12548@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:09:54AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > If we were to have a meeting this week on Thursday, the 29th, at 17.00 > UTC, how many people think they could attend? If we moved the time on > Thursday would more people be able to make it? > > Just trying to take care of some logistics... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting_time_matrix_2009-01-29 I made a wiki page to make this easier. Anyone who plans to attend can put initials in the boxes representing times where a meeting is OK. Note that both UTC and US/EST are noted on the boxes to make things a little easier. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Matt_Domsch at Dell.com Mon Jan 26 17:11:06 2009 From: Matt_Domsch at Dell.com (Matt_Domsch at Dell.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:11:06 -0600 Subject: FW: 2009 Symposium Message-ID: Andrew Hutton, organizer of the Linux Symposium (formerly in Ottawa, for the next 2 years in Montreal), has invited Fedora to host some form of event concurrent with this year's Symposium, the week of July 13. There was some positive interest on this when brought up in December, but then it went silent. Is anyone willing to take this on and drive such an event? -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux -----Original Message----- From: Andrew J. Hutton [mailto:ajh at linuxsymposium.org] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:48 AM To: Domsch, Matt Subject: 2009 Symposium I would love to pick up on the idea of hosting FedoraCon here in Montreal (I'm actually here for the weekend) and try to get something firmed up if possible. From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 17:22:45 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:22:45 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FW: 2009 Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:11 AM, wrote: > Andrew Hutton, organizer of the Linux Symposium (formerly in Ottawa, for the next 2 years in Montreal), has invited Fedora to host some form of event concurrent with this year's Symposium, the week of July 13. There was some positive interest on this when brought up in December, but then it went silent. Is anyone willing to take this on and drive such an event? > I don't recall the previous conversation, but since Max has been suggesting FADs[1] (Fedora Activity Day)[2], this might be a good fit. Thoughts? Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD From lday at redhat.com Mon Jan 26 17:27:09 2009 From: lday at redhat.com (Leigh Cantrell Day) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:27:09 -0500 Subject: FW: 2009 Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497DF26D.6000204@redhat.com> Hi -- Red Hat is planning to have a presence here, budget permitting. We are happy to help Fedora with whatever presence you plan to have. thanks, leigh Matt_Domsch at Dell.com wrote: > Andrew Hutton, organizer of the Linux Symposium (formerly in Ottawa, for the next 2 years in Montreal), has invited Fedora to host some form of event concurrent with this year's Symposium, the week of July 13. There was some positive interest on this when brought up in December, but then it went silent. Is anyone willing to take this on and drive such an event? > > -- > Matt Domsch > Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO > linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew J. Hutton [mailto:ajh at linuxsymposium.org] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:48 AM > To: Domsch, Matt > Subject: 2009 Symposium > > I would love to pick up on the idea of hosting FedoraCon here in Montreal (I'm actually here for the weekend) and try to get something firmed up if possible. > From dduval at redhat.com Mon Jan 26 17:36:30 2009 From: dduval at redhat.com (Dominic Duval) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:36:30 -0500 Subject: FW: 2009 Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497DF49E.5040602@redhat.com> Matt_Domsch at Dell.com wrote: > Andrew Hutton, organizer of the Linux Symposium (formerly in Ottawa, for the next 2 years in Montreal), has invited Fedora to host some form of event concurrent with this year's Symposium, the week of July 13. There was some positive interest on this when brought up in December, but then it went silent. Is anyone willing to take this on and drive such an event? I live close to Montreal and can help with logistics if needed. I will be attending the Linux Symposium too. -Dominic -- Dominic Duval, RHCE/RHCX dduval at redhat.com Consultant, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/dduval 917-623-4684 (New York City) 514-581-7975 (Montreal) IT executives: Red Hat #1 in value. Again. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jan 26 17:41:17 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:41:17 -0500 Subject: FW: 2009 Symposium In-Reply-To: <497DF49E.5040602@redhat.com> References: <497DF49E.5040602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <497DF5BD.70504@redhat.com> Dominic Duval wrote: > I live close to Montreal and can help with logistics if needed. I will be attending the > Linux Symposium too. > > Sounds good. Is there a wiki page up for the symposium? If so maybe we want to go ahead and add something about this on there or create a new page if nothing exists? Jack From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 19:32:45 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:32:45 -0900 Subject: Picture book.... In-Reply-To: <497D88DC.2040408@nicubunu.ro> References: <459073.13932.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20090116214233.GB23536@gmail.com> <49743775.9060000@nicubunu.ro> <20090119151110.GA9945@gmail.com> <604aa7910901191150t2e90e797sdb8061ed6e8b08c7@mail.gmail.com> <20090119200734.GB18337@gmail.com> <497588A8.6040303@nicubunu.ro> <49798FBC.7000204@nicubunu.ro> <497CC1F2.1090502@gmx.de> <497D88DC.2040408@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910901261132h7e7dbf8fj1a93f3376043b75d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Those are indeed beautiful portraits, but I think we want to send a > different message, using not only people faces but also saying "fedora", > "freedom", "friends", etc., like those: I think at the end of the day, you'll find that you'll want a mix of portrait, candid and posed shots across a variety of moods from playful to serious. A serious portrait or two to bring home an important point about our dedication would not be out of place in the story telling. You might even want a landscape shot of Fedora window posters. -jef From ianweller at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 22:47:19 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:47:19 -0600 Subject: Meeting this Thursday 29/1 In-Reply-To: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> References: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090126224719.GA26896@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:09:54AM -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > If we were to have a meeting this week on Thursday, the 29th, at 17.00 > UTC, how many people think they could attend? If we moved the time on > Thursday would more people be able to make it? > > Just trying to take care of some logistics... > As I've said, anything after 21:00 on Thursday I can attend. Otherwise, I'm in school. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jan 27 05:32:57 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:32:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points Message-ID: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> Hello All, In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking points page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing in F11. Please take a look and also play around if you like! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points Thanks, Jack From robb.munson at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 23:02:49 2009 From: robb.munson at gmail.com (Robb Munson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:02:49 -0600 Subject: Hello everyone! Message-ID: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the past 3 years. I have been a member of many different communties (which im not sure i should name distros or not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community has been awesome, the people are very nice compared to other communities. I feel like I am obligated to give back to a community that helped me go from one packaging system to another. Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a part of this community, if you would like more, just feel free to ask! :) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 27 08:51:15 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:21:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points In-Reply-To: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> References: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking points > page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing in F11. > Please take a look and also play around if you like! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points Who is the audience for this? Currently, there is way too many technical details. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 27 08:52:22 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:22:22 +0530 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> Robb Munson wrote: > My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the > past 3 years. I have been a member of many different > communties (which im not sure i should name distros or > not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last > month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community > has been awesome, the people are very nice compared to > other communities. I feel like I am obligated to give back to > a community that helped me go from one packaging > system to another. > > Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a > part of this community, if you would like more, just feel > free to ask! :) Welcome. Is there anything specific that you are interested in? We can help you get started. Rahul From paulmarc at ieee.org Tue Jan 27 08:55:00 2009 From: paulmarc at ieee.org (Paul-Marc Bougharios) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:55:00 +0200 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <920e95a50901270055p36f46a32x9eee539cebf669cf@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Robb Munson wrote: > >> My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the past 3 years. I >> have been a member of many different communties (which im not sure i should >> name distros or not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last >> month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community has been awesome, >> the people are very nice compared to other communities. I feel like I am >> obligated to give back to a community that helped me go from one packaging >> system to another. >> >> Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a part of this >> community, if you would like more, just feel free to ask! :) >> > > Welcome. Is there anything specific that you are interested in? We can help > you get started. > > Rahul > > > Welcome Robb! -- Take care, Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr http://www.paulmarc.org/ May God Be With You -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 11:44:32 2009 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:44:32 -0800 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <920e95a50901270055p36f46a32x9eee539cebf669cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> <920e95a50901270055p36f46a32x9eee539cebf669cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome to fedora! We are all in love with this beauty. God bless fedora. Tushar On 27/01/2009, Paul-Marc Bougharios wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram < > sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> Robb Munson wrote: >> >>> My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the past 3 years. I >>> have been a member of many different communties (which im not sure i should >>> name distros or not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last >>> month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community has been awesome, >>> the people are very nice compared to other communities. I feel like I am >>> obligated to give back to a community that helped me go from one packaging >>> system to another. >>> >>> Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a part of >>> this community, if you would like more, just feel free to ask! :) >>> >> >> >> Welcome. Is there anything specific that you are interested in? We can >> help you get started. >> >> Rahul >> >> >> >> > > Welcome Robb! > > -- > Take care, > Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr > > http://www.paulmarc.org/ > > May God Be With You > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 13:08:03 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:08:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points In-Reply-To: <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> References: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090127130803.GF30712@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:21:15PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking points >> page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing in F11. >> Please take a look and also play around if you like! >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points > > Who is the audience for this? Currently, there is way too many technical > details. And there are too many points; this looks more like a restatement of the feature list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList Really there should only be a small number of talking points, because we want to build a coherent, interesting story from the end-user side for specific important features. Here are the features I believe are good candidates for this treatment for Alpha and beyond. Obviously as we move forward it's still possible another feature might emerge as a major talking point; feature cutoff doesn't happen for quite some time yet for F11. Users: * New volume control * maybe Presto/deltaRPMs if that's actually going to happen for F11 * Fingerprint scanning Developers: * MinGW Windows cross-compiler Sysadmins: * ext4 file system Community: * Moksha and live web app framework Building a story around each of these features won't be too difficult, because they're all compelling, easy for Fedora people to talk about, and easy for journalists to understand and write about. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 27 13:38:08 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:08:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points In-Reply-To: <497F0C56.5010502@redhat.com> References: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> <497F0C56.5010502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <497F0E40.40801@fedoraproject.org> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking points >>> page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing in F11. >>> Please take a look and also play around if you like! >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points >> >> Who is the audience for this? Currently, there is way too many >> technical details. >> >> Rahul > Hey Rahul, > > If you like, you can play with and edit it as well... Yes, but before I do that, I need to understand the audience for it. The current page might work just fine for some group of people. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 13:51:09 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:51:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points In-Reply-To: <497F0E40.40801@fedoraproject.org> References: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> <497F0C56.5010502@redhat.com> <497F0E40.40801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090127135109.GB4727@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 07:08:08PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking >>>> points page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing >>>> in F11. Please take a look and also play around if you like! >>>> >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points >>> >>> Who is the audience for this? Currently, there is way too many >>> technical details. >>> >>> Rahul >> Hey Rahul, >> >> If you like, you can play with and edit it as well... > > Yes, but before I do that, I need to understand the audience for it. The > current page might work just fine for some group of people. The talking points audience is journalists and the people who will be reading their articles through the media, as well as casually interested sysadmins and developers. By "casually interested," I mean people who are unlikely to follow upstream development or dig much deeper than the information we present. That information should be concise, positive in tone, and clearly indicate what the expected effect is on the Fedora end-user. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jan 27 16:31:33 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Talking Points In-Reply-To: <20090127130803.GF30712@localhost.localdomain> References: <497E9C89.6030203@redhat.com> <497ECB03.4080509@fedoraproject.org> <20090127130803.GF30712@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <497F36E5.2020103@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:21:15PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> In anticipation of the alpha release, I put together a talking points >>> page highlighting some of the new stuff we should be seeing in F11. >>> Please take a look and also play around if you like! >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points >>> >> Who is the audience for this? Currently, there is way too many technical >> details. >> > > And there are too many points; this looks more like a restatement of > the feature list: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList > > Really there should only be a small number of talking points, because > we want to build a coherent, interesting story from the end-user side > for specific important features. > > Here are the features I believe are good candidates for this treatment > for Alpha and beyond. Obviously as we move forward it's still > possible another feature might emerge as a major talking point; > feature cutoff doesn't happen for quite some time yet for F11. > > Users: > * New volume control > * maybe Presto/deltaRPMs if that's actually going to happen for F11 > * Fingerprint scanning > > Developers: > * MinGW Windows cross-compiler > > Sysadmins: > * ext4 file system > > Community: > * Moksha and live web app framework > > Building a story around each of these features won't be too difficult, > because they're all compelling, easy for Fedora people to talk about, > and easy for journalists to understand and write about. > > Yes, this was the first draft, thanks for the feedback. I'm going to update it throughout the day today. Also, if anyone else feels like we should add or change something please send more feedback or edit the page! Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 20:24:39 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:24:39 -0800 Subject: Meeting this Thursday 29/1 In-Reply-To: <20090126153943.GL12548@localhost.localdomain> References: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> <20090126153943.GL12548@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7a0d56080901271224idc82ea4qf935e3e25957e5aa@mail.gmail.com> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting_time_matrix_2009-01-29 > > Funny, for some reason I can't access this wiki page to add my availability. Is there a reason for this? Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 21:37:21 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:37:21 -0800 Subject: Meeting this Thursday 29/1 In-Reply-To: <497F6F3D.4010907@redhat.com> References: <497DD242.8010609@redhat.com> <20090126153943.GL12548@localhost.localdomain> <7a0d56080901271224idc82ea4qf935e3e25957e5aa@mail.gmail.com> <497F6F3D.4010907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080901271337hecdaa39vee1b00733b593363@mail.gmail.com> Never mind. I found how to edit it. I was looking for a [edit] link at the top of the page and there's a Edit tab at the top. I'm just going to put on this pointy hat and sit in the corner now . . . Larry Cafiero On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Larry Cafiero wrote: > >> >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting_time_matrix_2009-01-29 >> >> >> Funny, for some reason I can't access this wiki page to add my >> availability. Is there a reason for this? >> >> Larry Cafiero >> > idk? wfm... > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robb.munson at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 22:27:52 2009 From: robb.munson at gmail.com (Robb Munson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:27:52 -0600 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> <497ECB46.4080300@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200901271628.11300.robb.munson@gmail.com> not really, ive been putting up banners and stuff on websites spreading the good news of fedora. On Tuesday 27 January 2009 2:52:22 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Robb Munson wrote: > > My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the > > past 3 years. I have been a member of many different > > communties (which im not sure i should name distros or > > not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last > > month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community > > has been awesome, the people are very nice compared to > > other communities. I feel like I am obligated to give back to > > a community that helped me go from one packaging > > system to another. > > > > Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a > > part of this community, if you would like more, just feel > > free to ask! :) > > Welcome. Is there anything specific that you are interested in? We can > help you get started. > > Rahul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 04:35:10 2009 From: sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com (Sreeram Vasudevan) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:05:10 +0530 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85035c970901272035p20c3a8c4gdf685c2d6c924c23@mail.gmail.com> ya fedora is really cool... But I m facing the web cam problem in acer 4720z laptop with fedora 10... Can anyone help me fix it please... On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Robb Munson wrote: > My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the > past 3 years. I have been a member of many different > communties (which im not sure i should name distros or > not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last > month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community > has been awesome, the people are very nice compared to > other communities. I feel like I am obligated to give back to > a community that helped me go from one packaging > system to another. > > Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a > part of this community, if you would like more, just feel > free to ask! :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Regards Sriram :-) Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside of them was superior to circumstance !!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mg at hacka.net Wed Jan 28 09:51:16 2009 From: mg at hacka.net (Magnus Glantz) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:51:16 +0100 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <85035c970901272035p20c3a8c4gdf685c2d6c924c23@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901261702.49980.robb.munson@gmail.com> <85035c970901272035p20c3a8c4gdf685c2d6c924c23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233136276.3883.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons 2009-01-28 klockan 10:05 +0530 skrev Sreeram Vasudevan: > ya fedora is really cool... But I m facing the web cam problem in > acer 4720z laptop with fedora 10... Can anyone help me fix it > please... > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Robb Munson > wrote: > My name is Robb Munson, I have been using Linux for the > past 3 years. I have been a member of many different > communties (which im not sure i should name distros or > not so i will just stay silent on that.) I found Fedora last > month and absolutely fell in love with it. The community > has been awesome, the people are very nice compared to > other communities. I feel like I am obligated to give back to > a community that helped me go from one packaging > system to another. > > Well, thats a very brief description as to why i want to be a > part of this community, if you would like more, just feel > free to ask! :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Regards > Sriram :-) > > Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared > believe that something inside of them was superior to circumstance !!! > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Try going to #fedora on FreeNet, or Try out the forums: http://forums.fedoraforum.org or Check for solutions at http://www.fedoraunity.org -- Best regards, Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net GPG Fingerprint: DDCE BD02 793C 5C2E 8C5C 3FE9 1E1E 7593 0DB5 3317 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magnusg From bapi83 at yahoo.co.in Wed Jan 28 10:04:52 2009 From: bapi83 at yahoo.co.in (ankrity das) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Self Introduction : Ankrity Message-ID: <729602.8673.qm@web7604.mail.in.yahoo.com> Hello, This is Ankrity Das from Mumbai, India. I am working as a consultant with a management consulting firm. I have done my undergrad in Civil Engineering followed by Masters in Business Administration (MBA). My major was Marketing during my MBA. Though I don't have any formal background in computers, I have been interested in technology as a field of business and view open source systems as a radical business model innovation. I wish to contribute to the Fedora Project during my free time using my background in marketing. The underlying thought which attracts me to Linux is that "IDEAS ARE FREE AND IDEAS CAN SET ONE FREE". Open Source is the begginning of a much bigger movement based on cooperation and collaboration. In that sense, I see a much bigger role for Fedora from the one it has today as an OS. It should become an emblem of Freedom itself. I am actively involved in developing business plans as a part of my job and would be interested in creation of marketing plans for Fedora in India alognwith writing of related articles in press. Looking forward to start contributing in this sphere... Regards, Ankrity Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/?wm=n/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 10:24:14 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:54:14 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction : Ankrity In-Reply-To: <729602.8673.qm@web7604.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <729602.8673.qm@web7604.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4980324E.4060600@fedoraproject.org> ankrity das wrote: > I am actively involved in developing business plans as > a part of my job and would be interested in creation > of marketing plans for Fedora in India alognwith > writing of related articles in press. > Looking forward to start contributing in this > sphere... Welcome. There is a Fedora India mailing list that we use for collaboration and marketing in that region. Do subscribe and drop a line. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 18:03:20 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:33:20 +0530 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? Message-ID: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> Hi I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now in rawhide. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm "Red Hat Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields also struck an optimistic tone on the KDE 4.2 release. "The many Plasma enhancements for usability, and the return of functionality that some users found missing earlier in the 4.x series, should make KDE's audience happy with the new release," Frields told /InternetNews.com/. Fedora is planning on including KDE 4.2 in the upcoming Fedora 11 Alpha set for February 3rd." Rahul From leandro.cesar at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 18:13:36 2009 From: leandro.cesar at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leandro_M=2E_C=E9sar?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:13:36 -0200 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <124ec400901281013h417f04c8v399008ea94bc333@mail.gmail.com> I believe that KDE is the best shot against Vista. But not against Gnome yet. Leandro Cesar On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available > as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. 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In-Reply-To: <124ec400901281013h417f04c8v399008ea94bc333@mail.gmail.com> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> <124ec400901281013h417f04c8v399008ea94bc333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: KDE 4.2 as update for Fedora 9? Great news thinking on people who have not updated yet. Like me, because the issue with Intel Graphics Driver (Intel GM965). 2009/1/28 Leandro M. C?sar > I believe that KDE is the best shot against Vista. But not against Gnome > yet. > > Leandro Cesar > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram < > sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available >> as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now in >> rawhide. >> >> >> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm >> >> "Red Hat Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields also struck an optimistic tone >> on the KDE 4.2 release. >> >> "The many Plasma enhancements for usability, and the return of >> functionality that some users found missing earlier in the 4.x series, >> should make KDE's audience happy with the new release," Frields told >> /InternetNews.com/. Fedora is planning on including KDE 4.2 in the upcoming >> Fedora 11 Alpha set for February 3rd." >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Leandro M. C?sar > leandro.cesar at gmail.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 18:56:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:26:17 +0530 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora Message-ID: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> Hi Some interesting view points. http://it-tactics.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-i-have-chosen-fedora.html Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 19:09:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:09:43 -0500 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:33:20PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available > as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now > in rawhide. > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm I did. Unfortunately, I'm not able to control how quotes are used by journalists. Welcome to marketing! I'd encourage folks to leave additional comments at sites where they can augment information like this. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mthompso at redhat.com Wed Jan 28 19:29:32 2009 From: mthompso at redhat.com (Michelle Thompson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4980B21C.9040700@redhat.com> I have been monitoring tweets (through Twitter) with the keyword: fedora. Something on KDE 4.2 and Fedora came up today. There's a small mention of KDE 4.2 being available shortly in Fedora here: http://www.genbeta.com/2009/01/28-instalar-kde-42-en-ubuntu-opensuse-y-fedora I don't read or write in Spanish (which the blog seems to be written in), but a free translation from the Web on the paragraph about Fedora indicates: "In any case, it is expected that very quick [KDE 4.2] be incorporated to the official sources." Maybe the people who are already tweeting about this will pick it up when it's done. Or fedora folks could mention it's coming in their tweets. This may also help get the word out. Cheers! mt Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:33:20PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available >> as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now >> in rawhide. >> >> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm > > I did. Unfortunately, I'm not able to control how quotes are used > by journalists. Welcome to marketing! > > I'd encourage folks to leave additional comments at sites where they > can augment information like this. > > From dezone24 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 19:38:41 2009 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:38:41 -0500 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <4980B21C.9040700@redhat.com> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> <4980B21C.9040700@redhat.com> Message-ID: Ok. There are not official news from Fedora, but KDE 4.2 is available from KDE-Red Hat testing repo for Fedora 10 (not 9). So People should think that will be available comming soon. Personally I would like for Fedora 9 too. 2009/1/28 Michelle Thompson > I have been monitoring tweets (through Twitter) with the keyword: fedora. > > Something on KDE 4.2 and Fedora came up today. There's a small mention of > KDE 4.2 being available shortly in Fedora here: > > http://www.genbeta.com/2009/01/28-instalar-kde-42-en-ubuntu-opensuse-y-fedora > > I don't read or write in Spanish (which the blog seems to be written in), > but a free translation from the Web on the paragraph about Fedora indicates: > "In any case, it is expected that very quick [KDE 4.2] be incorporated to > the official sources." > > Maybe the people who are already tweeting about this will pick it up when > it's done. Or fedora folks could mention it's coming in their tweets. This > may also help get the word out. > > Cheers! > mt > > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:33:20PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available >>> as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. 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If someone likes freedom and i-pods then that person is facing the same problems that a person who likes cats and dogs is. Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador / Chihuahua, MX aacosta at fedoraproject.org http://alejandroacosta.com On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Some interesting view points. > > > > http://it-tactics.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-i-have-chosen-fedora.html > > > > Rahul > > > > But. > http://it-tactics.blogspot.com/2008/12/sad-thing-about-linux.html > > Frank > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 20:04:19 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:34:19 +0530 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> <20090128190943.GA21638@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4980BA43.8080305@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:33:20PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available >> as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now >> in rawhide. >> >> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm > > I did. Unfortunately, I'm not able to control how quotes are used > by journalists. Welcome to marketing! > > I'd encourage folks to leave additional comments at sites where they > can augment information like this. I have added a comment. It is important to highlight this since Fedora is probably the one distribution pushing out major updates like this to even previous releases. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 20:15:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:45:17 +0530 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> <4980B49C.5020109@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4980BCD5.9080903@fedoraproject.org> Alejandro Acosta wrote: > I don't think the "sad things about linux" should be taken so seriously, > the guy missed a lot of details and recognizes that "I can fix this in > some cases although not an expert on Linux." > > If someone likes freedom and i-pods then that person is facing the same > problems that a person who likes cats and dogs is. Neverthless, ipods are popular and Fedora probably has reasonably good support for ipods since the upstream developer involved with library support is a Fedora maintainer. It does take some time in between a latest hardware release to actually supporting it. This is the time it takes to reverse engineer and figure out what has changed. It is usually much faster in cases where the vendor is co-operative and provides the specs or even takes part in driver development as even AMD and Atheros does for their 3D chipsets these days. Linux actually has the broadest hardware support out of the box among any operating system in the market. http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/10/how-linux-supports-more-device.html Rahul From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 20:28:11 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:28:11 +0000 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> <4980B49C.5020109@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4980BFDB.1060908@fedoraproject.org> Alejandro Acosta wrote: > I don't think the "sad things about linux" should be taken so seriously, > the guy missed a lot of details And you will fill in the blanks? and recognizes that "I can fix this in > some cases although not an expert on Linux." For him and you maybe. > > If someone likes freedom and i-pods But the person reading the article, may not know of freedom. Just someone looking for a way out, and "shucks". Here's a "user" telling him his toys won't work. then that person is facing the same > problems that a person who likes cats and dogs is. > > Many pet lovers have both cats and dogs, they even clean each other (human not included). Just playing Devil's Advocate. Frank From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 20:44:20 2009 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:44:20 +1700 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <4980BFDB.1060908@fedoraproject.org> References: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> <4980B49C.5020109@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> <4980BFDB.1060908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6ad0ab20901281244y27234c2aib89e514816c727cf@mail.gmail.com> Please don't take this the wrong way, My points are that you can not make a serious judgement (on any OS) from an issue that is -the way I see it- ambiguous. Given the information he provided you can have the same problems with any OS and he can not tell it is a bad thing just because he couldn't . On the other hand he did fix some things even though he claims not being an expert, which is a good thing for this or any other OS. If you love pets and you have cats and dogs in the same house you are doing this knowing in advance that this is no easy thing to do, but you love pets and you're willing to take these risks and to walk a way that doesn't seem easy at the beginning. I hope this will end this thread 'cause it looks like I'm the devil and my lawyer isn't defending me, just kidding Frank. Even more: I WISH I HAD AN I-POD !!! On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Alejandro Acosta wrote: > > I don't think the "sad things about linux" should be taken so seriously, > > the guy missed a lot of details > > And you will fill in the blanks? > > and recognizes that "I can fix this in > > some cases although not an expert on Linux." > > For him and you maybe. > > > > > If someone likes freedom and i-pods > > But the person reading the article, may not know of freedom. > Just someone looking for a way out, and "shucks". > Here's a "user" telling him his toys won't work. > > > then that person is facing the same > > problems that a person who likes cats and dogs is. > > > > > Many pet lovers have both cats and dogs, > they even clean each other (human not included). > > > Just playing Devil's Advocate. > > Frank > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador / Chihuahua, MX aacosta at fedoraproject.org http://alejandroacosta.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love my Sansa, it plays ogg and flac and works out-of-the-box with Fedora and mounts all nicely in rhythmbox... ~m From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 28 21:43:26 2009 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:43:26 +1700 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <4980C66C.80307@fedoraproject.org> References: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> <4980B49C.5020109@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> <4980BFDB.1060908@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281244y27234c2aib89e514816c727cf@mail.gmail.com> <4980C66C.80307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6ad0ab20901281343w23800583jee57f558715dd970@mail.gmail.com> I didn't have a good reason other than they're popular as Rahul stated plus I wasn't well informed, now I have an even stronger reason to buy sansa. Thank you M?irin, Maybe sometime you could tell me about the model you chose and your own experience, out of the list of course On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Alejandro Acosta wrote: > >> Even more: I WISH I HAD AN I-POD !!! >> > > Ew. Really? Why? > > I love my Sansa, it plays ogg and flac and works out-of-the-box with Fedora > and mounts all nicely in rhythmbox... > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador / Chihuahua, MX aacosta at fedoraproject.org http://alejandroacosta.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saadsaidi at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 07:39:43 2009 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:39:43 +0200 Subject: Is KDE 4.2 the Answer to the Linux Desktop? In-Reply-To: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> References: <49809DE8.7060704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800901282339ga7c755bwadfcb5dd4b11ccdb@mail.gmail.com> Personally, I prefer KDE over all other desktop environment. The main cause is that KDE offers a close approach to Open source feeling when dealing with the operating system environment. It might be that I did not use Genome as I used the KDE but I Always Install Both Desktops and end up using KDE only. as for me as much far is the DE from MS desktop as far its close to my heart. This is a personal opinion, as a desktop user. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I think, it would have been useful to note that KDE 4.2 will be available > as an update for Fedora 10 and Fedora 9 users as well, shortly. It is now in > rawhide. > > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3799116/Is+KDE+42+the+Answer+to+the+Linux+Desktop.htm > > "Red Hat Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields also struck an optimistic tone > on the KDE 4.2 release. > > "The many Plasma enhancements for usability, and the return of > functionality that some users found missing earlier in the 4.x series, > should make KDE's audience happy with the new release," Frields told > /InternetNews.com/. Fedora is planning on including KDE 4.2 in the upcoming > Fedora 11 Alpha set for February 3rd." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 08:12:58 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:12:58 -0900 Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> <4980B49C.5020109@fedoraproject.org> <6ad0ab20901281155o6f010ac5xae2270ad70fbc54b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910901290012t4bd89762ua398339054330b4b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/28 Alejandro Acosta : > If someone likes freedom and i-pods then that person is facing the same > problems that a person who likes cats and dogs is. That problem should be solvable with with the appropriate genenic engineering. "Good ... we'll have a miracle hybrid with the loyalty of a cat and the cleanliness of a dog!" --Homer Simpson -jef From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Thu Jan 29 09:42:48 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:12:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora In-Reply-To: <4980AA51.3070205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <548626.57244.qm@web95109.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Rahul Sundaram wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram Subject: Why I have chosen Fedora To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , "Ladislav Bodnar" Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 6:56 PM Hi Some interesting view points. http://it-tactics.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-i-have-chosen-fedora.html Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list That is a good post indeed. Thanks for sharing. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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There's a small mention of > KDE 4.2 being available shortly in Fedora here: > http://www.genbeta.com/2009/01/28-instalar-kde-42-en-ubuntu-opensuse-y-fedora > > I don't read or write in Spanish (which the blog seems to be written in), > but a free translation from the Web on the paragraph about Fedora > indicates: > "In any case, it is expected that very quick [KDE 4.2] be incorporated to > the official sources." > > Maybe the people who are already tweeting about this will pick it up when > it's done. Or fedora folks could mention it's coming in their tweets. This > may also help get the word out. Good points, Michelle! And by the way: http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_2_coming_for_Fedora_11_Alpha_and_F9_F10 -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 17:26:29 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:26:29 -0500 Subject: Marketing Meeting Reminder 29/1/2009 Message-ID: <4981E6C5.8080905@redhat.com> Hey All, We will be having our marketing meeting today at 19.00 UTC. We will be in #fedora-meeting. See you all there! Thanks, Jack From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 17:30:44 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:30:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: F11 background proposal Message-ID: "Leonidas at Thermopylae" http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) From affix at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 29 18:14:20 2009 From: affix at fedoraproject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:14:20 +0000 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. Although some people have different tastes in how they want their desktop to look. Im sure the artwork team will come up with a very nice desktop image They always do :) On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 18:17:18 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:17:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> References: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Keiran Smith wrote: > Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud > with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. I was joking :) From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jan 29 18:18:41 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:18:41 -0500 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4981F301.6060207@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) > Hrm, Naked people, spears and trumpets. WFM!! Jack From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 18:26:26 2009 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:26:26 -0600 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> References: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4981F4D2.3050804@gmail.com> Keiran Smith wrote: > Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud > with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. > My only argument with that is the fact that that would be following the trends, when Fedora is regularly viewed as the trend setter. > Although some people have different tastes in how they want their > desktop to look. Im sure the artwork team will come up with a very > nice desktop image They always do :) > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Max Spevack > wrote: > > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > Oh, don't get me wrong, we WILL rock. Give us time. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 29 18:34:22 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:34:22 -0500 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <4981F4D2.3050804@gmail.com> References: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> <4981F4D2.3050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4981F6AE.6070509@fedoraproject.org> Michael Beckwith wrote: > Keiran Smith wrote: >> Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud >> with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. >> > My only argument with that is the fact that that would be following the > trends, when Fedora is regularly viewed as the trend setter. It's obvious Max wants us to start a naked trend... I suppose it's better than the bacon trend... ~m From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 29 18:54:13 2009 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:54:13 +1700 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <4981F6AE.6070509@fedoraproject.org> References: <498e315d0901291014y75b2694dt2f45af181c5a7408@mail.gmail.com> <4981F4D2.3050804@gmail.com> <4981F6AE.6070509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6ad0ab20901291054i3110540eka3a94eb23f5f88a2@mail.gmail.com> I pick the guy at Leonidas's left, bending over a little, being whispered at, to be tagged as Me. You can choose from any of the remaining LOL On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:34 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Keiran Smith wrote: > >> Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud > >> with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. > >> > > My only argument with that is the fact that that would be following the > > trends, when Fedora is regularly viewed as the trend setter. > > It's obvious Max wants us to start a naked trend... > > I suppose it's better than the bacon trend... > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador / Chihuahua, MX aacosta at fedoraproject.org http://alejandroacosta.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 29 19:50:00 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:50:00 +0100 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/29 Max Spevack : > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I personally love J.L. David, he was an amazing painter. This could represent Fedora "state of the art" status :D I read all the comments and the reasons argued could work. BTW, I think this proposal could be used to give Fedora a continuity in its style: at the end, it could underline that Fedora, as all paintings, is open to the community, and like those helped creating a common knowledge base, Fedora could underline its role as the 21st century common knowledge base creator (forgive me the not so good terminology). Maybe this was only a suggestion to start a discussion, but an idea like this sounds good, at least for me. Regards Francesco Ugolini From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 20:40:19 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:40:19 -0800 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080901291240l5478d25ek946a7a6e4d032b0@mail.gmail.com> There's something missing here . . . wait, don't tell me. Right. Togas. Fedora blue togas! Very funny, Max. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 29 20:48:30 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:48:30 -0500 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080901291240l5478d25ek946a7a6e4d032b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080901291240l5478d25ek946a7a6e4d032b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4982161E.1040209@fedoraproject.org> Larry Cafiero wrote: > There's something missing here . . . wait, don't tell me. > > Right. Togas. Fedora blue togas! > Hmm I wonder if the T-shirt printers I went through for Boston FUDcon can do Togas... ~m From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 21:45:34 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:45:34 -0600 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <4982161E.1040209@fedoraproject.org> References: <7a0d56080901291240l5478d25ek946a7a6e4d032b0@mail.gmail.com> <4982161E.1040209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:48 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Larry Cafiero wrote: >> There's something missing here . . . wait, don't tell me. >> >> Right. Togas. Fedora blue togas! >> > > Hmm I wonder if the T-shirt printers I went through for > Boston FUDcon can do Togas... World best chocolate ... wonder if we can get discounts now? :) John From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 23:12:27 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:12:27 -0900 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <4982161E.1040209@fedoraproject.org> References: <7a0d56080901291240l5478d25ek946a7a6e4d032b0@mail.gmail.com> <4982161E.1040209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910901291512q3d14221bk16302105777052a0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hmm I wonder if the T-shirt printers I went through for > Boston FUDcon can do Togas... Can they do bedsheets? That way when you are done using it as a toga, you can still take it home and use it. -jef"I'm not saying that I want to deck out a bedroom in Fedora gear...but it would be an interesting option."spaleta From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 23:13:06 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:13:06 +0100 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50baabb30901291513g136cfa5dv3765aa10e0f3ee78@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > "Leonidas at Thermopylae" > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg/800px-Jacques-Louis_David_004.jpg > > I guess the artwork team's job is done. :) I believe F-11 should be THE release to attract female users !!! http://www.leonidas-chocolate.com cheers, Chitlesh From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 05:17:15 2009 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:17:15 -0600 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <50baabb30901291513g136cfa5dv3765aa10e0f3ee78@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30901291513g136cfa5dv3765aa10e0f3ee78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090130051715.GA13638@gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:13:06AM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > I believe F-11 should be THE release to attract female users !!! > > http://www.leonidas-chocolate.com > Hah! Made my day. Funny thing was when I did have a girlfriend, I was more addicted to chocolate than her. She has more of an ice cream addiction. (What's another off-topic thread?) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think that's quite trendsetting. -Yaakov From CrossBytes at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 05:50:29 2009 From: CrossBytes at gmail.com (CrossBytes at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:50:29 +0000 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0901292122r633157e9ydf74326902e4020b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001636456fe64dff8b0461acc8b4@google.com> Since I take a spin of Fedora into Elementery Schools and Jr Highs on an ASUS EEE , I do not think that this would be appropiate.. IMHO art is art but not to all parents... On Jan 29, 2009 9:22pm, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > 2009/1/29 Michael Beckwith michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com>: > > > Keiran Smith wrote: > > > > > > Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud with a > > > web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. > > > > > > My only argument with that is the fact that that would be following the > > > trends, when Fedora is regularly viewed as the trend setter. > > > > > Showing naked people with more natural body shapes? I think that's > > quite trendsetting. > > > > -Yaakov > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jan 30 07:12:42 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:12:42 +0200 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <20090130051715.GA13638@gmail.com> References: <50baabb30901291513g136cfa5dv3765aa10e0f3ee78@mail.gmail.com> <20090130051715.GA13638@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4982A86A.4030303@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:13:06AM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> I believe F-11 should be THE release to attract female users !!! >> >> http://www.leonidas-chocolate.com >> > Hah! Made my day. > > Funny thing was when I did have a girlfriend, I was more addicted to > chocolate than her. She has more of an ice cream addiction. And what's wrong with the middle-ground, chocolate flavored ice cream? Well, in my experience girls (and a lot of guys too) don't appreciate real chocolate, with 99% cocoa and almost no sugar, as it is not sweet enough :p > (What's another off-topic thread?) Is not off-topic, is a preparation for the F12 code name, which now MUST be about chocolate... (and no, no naked people covered in chocolate). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From felix at fetzig.org Fri Jan 30 14:32:32 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:32:32 +0100 Subject: F11 background proposal In-Reply-To: <4982A86A.4030303@nicubunu.ro> References: <50baabb30901291513g136cfa5dv3765aa10e0f3ee78@mail.gmail.com> <20090130051715.GA13638@gmail.com> <4982A86A.4030303@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49830F80.8040607@fetzig.org> Nicu Buculei schrieb: > Ian Weller wrote: >> (What's another off-topic thread?) > > Is not off-topic, is a preparation for the F12 code name, which now MUST > be about chocolate... (and no, no naked people covered in chocolate). I propose "Feodora" (www.feodora.de) then. That'll get people confused. Fedora 12 "Feodora"... Felix From mthompso at redhat.com Fri Jan 30 16:37:58 2009 From: mthompso at redhat.com (Michelle Thompson) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:37:58 -0500 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? Message-ID: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> I keep a look out (recently) on Tweets about Fedora. http://twitter.com/dr_scholl ^^^ this person tweeted these: (dr_scholl) is looking for HELP!! Apparently I don't have "make" on my Fedora 10 ?? WTF?? How do I install it? and hrms... yum install make says it's installed, but CPAN is still telling me it can't find it :( This is FRUSTRATING I'm wondering what some thoughts out there are on maybe trying to point this tweeter in the right direction. I am more familiar with communications, and less familiar with the technical side (so I'm not qualified to help). Just wondering if we would encourage user help in social media channels. [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] Thoughts? mt From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 30 17:33:38 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:33:38 +0000 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? In-Reply-To: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> References: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> > [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a > wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] Would suggest pointing them to: http://fedoraproject.org/get-help Or if you want to point them straight at IRC: #fedora on irc.freenode.org Or if straight at a mailing list: fedora-list at redhat.com > Thoughts? I'm not really on many social networks like Twitter, kind of surprised people use them to discuss stuff like Fedora in 100 and something characters! I'd hope that anyone who uses them and sees something like this would do exactly what you've just done and try to point them in the right direction, not sure there's anyway we can formalise this. Unless someone wants to do something like start monitoring #tags? Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 30 17:39:03 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:39:03 -0500 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? In-Reply-To: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> References: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49833B37.2040002@fedoraproject.org> Michelle Thompson wrote: > I'm wondering what some thoughts out there are on maybe trying to point > this tweeter in the right direction. I am more familiar with > communications, and less familiar with the technical side (so I'm not > qualified to help). Just wondering if we would encourage user help in > social media channels. > > [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC > channel? a wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] sudo yum install make -y is what he is looking for in the future, this sort of thing can be looked up with yum whatprovides, like this: [duffy at hellokitty ~]$ yum whatprovides make Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit make.i386 : A GNU tool which simplifies the build process for users ~m From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 18:07:40 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:07:40 +0800 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498341EC.5000709@fedoraproject.org> + Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a >> wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] >> > > Would suggest pointing them to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-help > > Or if you want to point them straight at IRC: > > #fedora on irc.freenode.org > > Or if straight at a mailing list: > > fedora-list at redhat.com > > >> Thoughts? >> > > I'm not really on many social networks like Twitter, kind of surprised > people use them to discuss stuff like Fedora in 100 and something > characters! I'd hope that anyone who uses them and sees something like > this would do exactly what you've just done and try to point them in > the right direction, not sure there's anyway we can formalise this. > Unless someone wants to do something like start monitoring #tags? > > Jon > > -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 19:40:21 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:40:21 -0500 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090130194021.GI28663@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 05:33:38PM +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a > > wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] > > Would suggest pointing them to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-help > > Or if you want to point them straight at IRC: > > #fedora on irc.freenode.org > > Or if straight at a mailing list: > > fedora-list at redhat.com There's also the unofficial help forums at http://fedoraforum.org/ which is used by many thousands of people. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sophistechate at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 20:54:14 2009 From: sophistechate at gmail.com (Lisa Brewster) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:54:14 -0800 Subject: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49832CE6.6020902@redhat.com> <635d8d560901300933l6b02c0cci4bc84c37c2806fb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e67a96f0901301254m283338adv6ce9ab548ecc9e54@mail.gmail.com> It might not be the best communication method length-wise, but Twitter is a powerful social search mechanism that even evil mainstream moneymaking corporations are starting to embrace as part of their customer service suite. These messages have less delay than email, are designed to be accessed while on the go, get to the point quickly, and are a great opportunity to demonstrate superior customer service in front of other potential users (which is commonly referred to as "marketing" *grin*). The easiest way to tap into these conversations is by subscribing to the RSS feed for your query on http://search.twitter.com, but there's no way to keep track of which messages have been responded to. A customer service tool that I really like is called Get Satisfaction, which has a feature where you can monitor when people say your company name, then reply and manage the following conversation from their interface. See an example here: http://getsatisfaction.com/comcast/overheard/ I don't know if social customer service would duplicate any existing support efforts (I'm sure it would), but it can be a more accessible system to the average user, with bonus built-in publicity features. If anyone else is interested in exploring how this would work for Fedora, I am more than happy to get the infrastructure set up and help you get started. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC > channel? a > > wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] > > Would suggest pointing them to: > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-help > > Or if you want to point them straight at IRC: > > #fedora on irc.freenode.org > > Or if straight at a mailing list: > > fedora-list at redhat.com > > > Thoughts? > > I'm not really on many social networks like Twitter, kind of surprised > people use them to discuss stuff like Fedora in 100 and something > characters! I'd hope that anyone who uses them and sees something like > this would do exactly what you've just done and try to point them in > the right direction, not sure there's anyway we can formalise this. > Unless someone wants to do something like start monitoring #tags? > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Lisa Brewster http://www.sophistechate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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