From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 1 04:05:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:35:21 +0530 Subject: Fedora: A Hat with a History Message-ID: <4A4AE081.8030802@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.raiden.net/articles/Fedora_A_Hat_with_a_History/ "Fedora is a giant among giants, in the shadow of a giant from which it was born. But every giant is born of humble beginnings. So to understand the giant, you first have to understand from where they came. So let me take you through a short history of Fedora, and show you where it all began, and some of the interesting, if not curious steps that it took to become what it is today." Rahul From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 04:15:19 2009 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:19 +0530 Subject: f11 dvd Message-ID: <5ac533d50906302115q7c978b11lbbe1ca1ccabd34af@mail.gmail.com> but i had requested for it arnav kalra (fedora inside) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 1 04:19:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:49:26 +0530 Subject: f11 dvd In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50906302115q7c978b11lbbe1ca1ccabd34af@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50906302115q7c978b11lbbe1ca1ccabd34af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4AE3CE.1000706@fedoraproject.org> On 07/01/2009 09:45 AM, Arnav Kalra wrote: > but i had requested for it > arnav kalra (fedora inside) Then you should get it over a week's time. Rahul From mohaas05 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 04:28:52 2009 From: mohaas05 at gmail.com (Kamin Horvath) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:28:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora: A Hat with a History In-Reply-To: <4A4AE081.8030802@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A4AE081.8030802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <59C083A4-63F7-4C05-B6E4-28BD1E49E158@gmail.com> Interesting article. Even though he kind of drifted towards rpm in the end, gives a good overview of the long history of Fedora. Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:mohaas05 On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.raiden.net/articles/Fedora_A_Hat_with_a_History/ > > "Fedora is a giant among giants, in the shadow of a giant from which > it > was born. But every giant is born of humble beginnings. > > So to understand the giant, you first have to understand from where > they > came. So let me take you through a short history of Fedora, and show > you > where it all began, and some of the interesting, if not curious steps > that it took to become what it is today." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jul 1 06:10:20 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:10:20 -0500 Subject: Marketing meeting 2009-06-30 log Message-ID: <20090701061020.GD26246@deathray.ianweller.org> Also beautifully colorified on the wiki at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-30 -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- 20:01:59 #startmeeting Fedora Marketing 20:02:01 #chair themayor 20:02:07 :) 20:04:05 where's the list of people themayor usually pings lol 20:04:33 im here 20:04:59 i usually ping moixs, mizmo, herlo, err who else 20:05:30 inode0: ping 20:05:34 jds2001: ping 20:06:13 anyway 20:06:18 lets just get started 20:08:06 okay so basically i wanted to discuss as a follow up from last weeks meeting 20:08:12 there has been some action on foobar 20:08:33 yoyo 20:08:38 rahul and some others have been working on news.fp.o, or they were actually and there was no traction for a while 20:09:02 so after some confusion, rahul sort of agreed we should ditch that 20:09:25 is foobar the name or just the codename we're working with 20:09:47 just the codename 20:09:52 ok 20:09:59 we havent picked a name yet, but as you can see many have been offered 20:10:21 i dont think its important to pick a name right now, before we start getting things together, maybe next week we can spend time picking a name 20:10:29 mizmo: have you seen the wiki page 20:10:30 understood 20:10:44 themayor: last week i did im guessing theres more content since then? 20:10:59 some, i dont know when you looked at it 20:11:31 anyway so basically jonrob, you are back in action? 20:11:48 i'm on summer vacation now, yeah :) 20:11:54 #topic foobar 20:12:25 okay, great, and i take it you intend to help with project foobar then? 20:12:34 i would love to 20:12:54 i worked pretty hard and long for news.fp.o, so if we can get its natural successor up and running, i'd be very happy 20:12:55 awesome alright 20:13:08 yeah i think this new project has alot of potentiak 20:13:35 okay so all that being said, i think we should try and do 2 things today 20:14:00 first, see if we want to add anything to the goals, or direction of the project while we are still in the early phases 20:14:14 and then second, lets start figuring out some action items and gettting the ball rolling 20:14:44 sound good? 20:15:42 sure 20:16:47 themayor: i want a rawhide weather report lol 20:16:56 we can do that 20:17:00 lol 20:17:08 something to talk to jesse about 20:17:14 that's one of the proposals i think 20:17:19 determining how rainy rawhide is 20:17:29 the project is great because i think each sub group can manage their own thing too 20:17:49 okay so first up, everyone pull up the wiki page and tell me if you think we need to add anything" 20:17:51 ? 20:18:25 Some kind of editorial role to ensure quality of content? 20:18:46 if this is to be the face of fedora to the outside world, everything needs to be spot on 20:18:59 yes sort of 20:19:04 how are we going to increase the amount of video/audio production 20:19:20 i think what we will have is an editorial board responsible for monitoring each section, and the respective team 20:19:37 ianweller: i am going to work alot on content production 20:19:49 themayor: yeah, exactly 20:19:52 and we will get others 20:20:12 we already have people doing it 20:20:33 and when people see this flourish they will be interested in jumping on board 20:20:59 i wouldn't underestimate how hard getting enough content will be 20:21:09 i've been involved with both fedora tv and news.fp.o 20:21:15 JonRob: thats why i suggested a journal style 20:21:17 and both struggled with that side of things 20:21:23 as did RHM 20:21:37 what do you mean by journal, and how do you think that will help? 20:21:39 because it gives us a fairly large windows to aggregate and/or produce larger pieces 20:22:15 hrm, journal, i think mizmo described it best in the meeting, mo do you remember what you said that day? 20:22:16 oh, you mean like a monthly magazine? 20:22:24 something like that 20:22:30 ok i see what you mean by that 20:22:35 like big pieces less often and smaller pieces more often 20:22:38 so for example 20:22:44 fedora weekly news, that continues as is 20:22:53 or whatever the news team ends up wanting to do with it 20:23:02 well one thing i remember mentioning in the meeting is that there might be a regular schedule for things 20:23:08 yes 20:23:15 so for example every week we have weekly news 20:23:16 like the 1st week of each month is 'contributor interview week' 20:23:17 "planet fridays" 20:23:19 we pick a contributor and do an interview 20:23:21 on a week 1 we have some audio 20:23:29 yes exactly 20:23:35 and its all just flows together 20:23:46 this is more or less the plan we had for news.fp.o, except spacing it out into weeks instead of days is a good idea! 20:23:47 i wont lie, it will take probably 2-3 months to seed alot of stuff on there 20:24:02 but at that point we will be on all cylinders 20:24:41 if we set up things on a schedule and we have a month to prepare them, it takes alot of pressure off 20:25:07 and it helps organize things 20:25:38 i think alot of the issues now are we know what we need to do, but not always by when, and we often end up doing things a 2-3 days before we need them when we could easily expand that timetable which would aid us tremendously 20:26:18 also aggregating pieces while distributing editorial control helps alleviate a "managerial" burden of producing/distributing stuff and also gives that specific team more control 20:27:27 themayor, have you asked rhm team about their experiences? 20:27:42 enquired if they were interested in getting involved? 20:28:34 JonRob: honestly no because many of them are busy and they have a certain focus 20:28:42 i dont want to distract them 20:28:48 and they have responsibilities to that 20:29:04 we can always let them get involved after 20:29:07 ok that's fair, i guess it's for each person to come to the project themselves 20:29:44 and right now, we are building infrastructure and setting up, i would rather not tack more onto their workload 20:29:48 people are already overloaded 20:31:07 anyway so with regard to goals stuff we are solid on that right? 20:31:25 no one wants to add anything 20:32:32 you guys with me? am i talking too fast lol? 20:32:42 all is good 20:32:47 okay so now action plan 20:32:51 i think im good 20:33:01 what do we do this with? 20:33:11 wordpress, drupal 20:33:20 drupal has really iffy security. 20:33:31 we can do all this in wordpress i think? 20:33:36 yes 20:33:38 wordpress++ 20:33:43 didnt we look at wordpress for news.fp.o 20:33:47 yeah 20:33:53 and wordpress is probs the best way to go 20:33:55 be sure to check with infrastructure. 20:34:04 has a big advantage being pre-packaged, a requirement of the infra team 20:34:07 we need to work with them every step of the way 20:34:10 back then it wasnt mature and we tried a few time to do things with what was the open source hosted wordpress think ibiblio did called 20:34:12 so that they don't get surprised at the last minute 20:34:13 and they've already been experimenting with deployments 20:34:36 yeah okay so lets set out what we need 20:34:39 JonRob: they're presently experimenting with a blogs.fp.o using wordpress-mu 20:34:48 might also be worth investigating working with docs et al on zicular 20:35:00 isnt it zikula? 20:35:05 ianweller: and we had many different test instances up for news.fp.o 20:35:20 themayor, perhaps, it's a strange word i don't know how to spell! 20:35:45 yeah im pretty sure its zikula lol ;) 20:36:01 if we worked with docs 20:36:03 zikula <-- that 20:36:09 it would lighten the load on us, docs and infra 20:36:23 yes we are going to 20:36:28 i spoke to sparks a couple of times 20:36:31 (fwiw i'm working on a relatively similar project at my school's newspaper with their website) 20:36:45 ianweller: can we see? 20:36:54 well the html is about 5% complete so no :) 20:37:06 it'll be new as of uhhh hopefully late august 20:37:12 running wordpress. 20:37:37 hahaha 20:37:38 okay 20:37:45 wordpress or zikula... I'm really loving the zikula devs lately (they are very open to making changes to satisfy packaging guidelines and helping the docs team with custom plugins) 20:38:05 well we need 3-4 things to happen then 20:38:17 1. talks to infrastructure about what platform to use 20:38:23 wordpress has a nice podcast plugin thingy that makes it easy to do podcast posts 20:38:28 but i dont know anything about zikula 20:38:55 thats why we have infrastructure 20:39:18 2. we need to talk to news and figure out who they want to tie in to all this 20:40:24 3. we need to talk to docs and figure out a publication list and fit that into a schedule 20:40:35 and 4. i forgot but im sure someone else can think of something 20:42:22 4. donuts 20:42:35 lol 20:42:49 thought of something ^_^ 20:42:54 anyway, does anyone want to talk to infrastrtucture about platform 20:43:07 whoa, an asian girl just showed up on my screen after ian's last line 20:43:08 whoa 20:43:20 * ianweller ctcp versions themayor 20:43:31 oh, that would explain it 20:43:47 mac os x, how could you?! :P 20:44:08 haha, i missed the button when i booted, so i just let it go, lol 20:44:17 lol 20:44:26 JonRob: how close are you with the fedora weekly news guys 20:44:49 i lost touch after tchung pulled out, don't really know pascal etc 20:45:08 would be happy to drop by, although all my approaches in the past have fallen on death ears 20:45:11 deaf* 20:45:25 ah, okay, well either way, would you wanna be responsible for talking to the news team and laying the plan out and seeing what they say 20:45:34 i will happily do so 20:46:09 okay 20:46:21 so ianweller you wanna talk to infrastructure guys and ill cover docs? 20:46:30 sure 20:46:33 also ianweller whats going on with the metrics, how are we going to tie that into this? 20:46:49 what's currently going on is i'm hacking with fedora community/moksha 20:46:54 and attempting to grok it 20:47:18 okay, so are we trying to build something new or using some existing tools? 20:47:27 kinda both. 20:47:39 we're going to integrate it as a new 'statistics' tab in fedora community 20:47:52 a lot of new code is going to need to be written, preferrably in python-fedora 20:48:24 i'll expand python-fedora a ton to handle things like the wiki, mailing lists, and perhaps web serverl ogs 20:48:27 okay, so what is it going to do, like give each individual person a breakdown of stats that they are looking for? 20:48:29 which is where the integration with foobar comes in 20:48:58 themayor: there will be a relatively large stats section. on the right side of the page there will be different parts of fedora infrastructure that you can look at 20:49:09 in the current pre-alpha code there's 'wiki' and 'updates' 20:49:12 do you have any mickups? 20:49:17 mockups? 20:49:28 yeah hold on 20:49:36 i have a screenshot of lmacken's work 20:49:48 http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedoracommunity-statistics.png 20:49:49 also, when are you going to be talking to max about things, because i also dont want us to reinvent the wheel for this, from marketings perspective 20:49:56 running locally 20:50:05 ah i see 20:50:18 so theoretically you could have 'foobar' on the right and you could see whatever metrics we code for. 20:50:31 (which would most likely be grokking the access logs on log1) 20:50:39 ((which means i have to write an api for that, blugh) 20:50:40 ) 20:50:50 themayor: i'll talk to max about it whenever he wants me to. 20:50:58 if he has questions o 20:51:01 blugh 20:51:03 if he has questions i'll answer 'em 20:51:10 i don't really have anything cohesive yet other than that :P 20:51:35 okay i just saw the email exchange he had with you and he mentioned we will do it on the list, you did a fair bit of talking to him already about what he wants right? 20:51:44 yeah 20:53:05 okay 20:53:34 well lets see how things roll out, JonRob and ian, can we each try and take care of our action item by thurs/fri and report back to the list? 20:53:51 i'm writing the e-mail right now 20:54:13 sure 20:54:49 awesome 20:54:56 ill talk to sparks when i catch him today or tomorrow 20:55:26 and then we can all report back, figure out what directions things are going in and move forward, hopefully next week we can start making a decision on platform 20:55:48 make sure to reference foobar in stuff you post to the list, i set up a special filter ;) 20:56:00 ^_^ 20:56:05 i like that one 20:57:15 * ianweller hits themayor 20:57:51 lol 20:57:54 alright sounds good 20:58:01 so lets call it a meeting and get cracking 20:58:20 * ianweller notes that themayor wants to use the command #endmeeting 20:59:12 #endmeeting -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm starting my studies in linux, coding, marketing, and really I'm lovin 'it ... Initially, my contribution to be restricted, the friends, the company of my father, the blogs, which the writers I know, my school, more in the future, I expect a full contribution to the projects that I see being developed by this great team sincerely Ely Castellano P.S.: I hope you understand my English _________________________________________________________________ Novo Internet Explorer 8. Baixe agora, ? gr?tis! http://brasil.microsoft.com.br/IE8/mergulhe/?utm_source=MSN%3BHotmail&utm_medium=Tagline&utm_campaign=IE8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More than, all the business template should be only bring to one template to ignore the complexity of choosing. and it should not be set random to use though there are rules. Last but least, business card is an inspiration to do our job as smooth as possible wherever we visit and go. We should concern about it as a marketing team. Regards, Rashadul Islam ----------------------------------------- Email: irashadul at gmail.com Web: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > There are a few things I think we ought to change in the format of the > card produced by fedora-business-cards. They're presented here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Proposed_business_card_format_changes > > I've set up wikivoting -- please let me know what changes you are for > and against, and why. 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The reason I ask is that we come across this kind of thing in newspaper work: A reporter would include in his/her article the entire URL of a Web site, for example (and the following is fake), http://fedoreproject.org/wiki/wombat/missive/g4itgzb/extreme_lunacy/way_too_long_of_a_HTML_address_for_reasonable_use.html, and the argument made by some editors (i.e., me) is that it's too long to publish in a newspaper article because no one in their right mind would take the time to type in that address. Would the same reasoning apply to having a full fingerprint on a business card, or is there a reason for doing so that I've never encountered (and that's entirely possible, I'll be the first to admit, and I'd welcome the opportunity to be enlightened)? I'm just making an observation here, and not advocating either way (but my cards won't have a full fingerprint, to be sure). Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:43:25 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:43:25 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Rashadul Islam wrote: >> >> Finger print and GPG key is an attractive point for the businesscard. > > I'm wondering about this aspect of the business card, as there's a question > about making the full fingerprint an option. > > I can understand having the GPG key on a card, but the purpose of having > something the length of a full fingerprint on a business card escapes me. > > Would there be a good reason for to have a full fingerprint? You cannot validate an imported key without having access to the full fingerprint. You should always validate the key's fingerprint with the key's owner before signing it. You can call the person or use some other means, it is convenient for people if it is just on the card. John From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:03:53 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:03:53 -0700 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, inode0 wrote: > > You cannot validate an imported key without having access to the full > fingerprint. You should always validate the key's fingerprint with the > key's owner before signing it. You can call the person or use some > other means, it is convenient for people if it is just on the card. So let me make sure I'm following this (while exposing what a noob I am in this regard): I would validate an imported key from you by checking what's on my screen against the full fingerprint on your business card. Is that the rationale and benefit of having the full fingerprint on the card? [I can't imagine calling you up and reading off your full fingerprint to you and expect you to stay awake until I finish . . . :-) ] Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can call the person or use some > other means, it is convenient for people if it is just on the card. > > > So let me make sure I'm following this (while exposing what a noob I am > in this regard): I would validate an imported key from you by checking > what's on my screen against the full fingerprint on your business card. > Is that the rationale and benefit of having the full fingerprint on the > card? > You should only validate, if also you have seen picture ID. Frank From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:10:50 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:10:50 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, inode0 wrote: >> >> You cannot validate an imported key without having access to the full >> fingerprint. You should always validate the key's fingerprint with the >> key's owner before signing it. You can call the person or use some >> other means, it is convenient for people if it is just on the card. > > So let me make sure I'm following this (while exposing what a noob I am in > this regard): I would validate an imported key from you by checking what's > on my screen against the full fingerprint on your business card. Is that the > rationale and benefit of having the full fingerprint on the card? The key you are importing is likely not from me but from some key server on the internet. You might have received it directly from the key's owner, but I think that is unusual. yes, after confirming matching fingerprints you know it is my key. It is just easier to do that if I give you my fingerprint. John From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:14:16 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:14:16 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 01/07/09 19:03, Larry Cafiero wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM, inode0 > > wrote: >> >> >> ? ?You cannot validate an imported key without having access to the full >> ? ?fingerprint. You should always validate the key's fingerprint with the >> ? ?key's owner before signing it. You can call the person or use some >> ? ?other means, it is convenient for people if it is just on the card. >> >> >> So let me make sure I'm following this (while exposing what a noob I am >> in this regard): I would validate an imported key from you by checking >> what's on my screen against the full fingerprint on your business card. >> Is that the rationale and benefit of having the full fingerprint on the >> card? >> > > You should only validate, if also you have seen picture ID. Well, if you don't believe in the web of trust. :) John From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:17:42 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:17:42 +0100 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BA846.1080907@gmail.com> On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: > > > Well, if you don't believe in the web of trust. :) > > John The web of trust requires picture ID. Frank From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:18:36 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:18:36 +0100 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: > > > Well, if you don't believe in the web of trust. :) > > John The web of trust requires picture ID. Beacause you can prove, you met Mr X, and seen proof he is who he states Fingerprint on it's own doesn't do that. Frank From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:29:00 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:29:00 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: >> >> >> Well, if you don't believe in the web of trust. :) >> >> John > > The web of trust requires picture ID. > Beacause you can prove, you met Mr X, > and seen proof he is who he states > Fingerprint on it's own doesn't do that. The web of trust is worthless if *I* have to see everyone's picture ID. The whole point of the web of trust is to extend validation beyond the people I know. I think you are thinking about what is needed to conscientiously sign someone else's key publicly. That act has additional requirements in order to not break the web of trust too. John From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:29:00 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:29:00 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: >> >> >> Well, if you don't believe in the web of trust. :) >> >> John > > The web of trust requires picture ID. > Beacause you can prove, you met Mr X, > and seen proof he is who he states > Fingerprint on it's own doesn't do that. The web of trust is worthless if *I* have to see everyone's picture ID. The whole point of the web of trust is to extend validation beyond the people I know. I think you are thinking about what is needed to conscientiously sign someone else's key publicly. That act has additional requirements in order to not break the web of trust too. John From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:34:47 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:34:47 +0100 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> On 01/07/09 19:29, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: > > The web of trust is worthless if *I* have to see everyone's picture > ID. The whole point of the web of trust is to extend validation beyond > the people I know. > The idae is correct but: you don't need to meet everyone. How it works properly is: Eg. I meet you, we exchange fingerprints, and see photo id. We trust trust other. The someone who you know, has never met me, I can be vouched for by you. Because you have matched my id to my key. That is the trust. You have to verify the human, and so on to 5 levels. http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x334.html " GnuPG overloads the word ``trust'' by using it to mean trust in an owner and trust in a key. This can be confusing. Sometimes trust in an owner is referred to as owner-trust to distinguish it from trust in a key. Throughout this manual, however, ``trust'' is used to mean trust in a key's owner, and ``validity'' is used to mean trust that a key belongs to the human associated with the key ID." From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:45:18 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:45:18 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 01/07/09 19:29, inode0 wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Frank Murphy ?wrote: >>> >>> On 01/07/09 19:14, inode0 wrote: > > >> >> The web of trust is worthless if *I* have to see everyone's picture >> ID. The whole point of the web of trust is to extend validation beyond >> the people I know. >> > > The idae is correct but: > you don't need to meet everyone. > > How it works properly is: > Eg. I meet you, > we exchange fingerprints, and see photo id. Returning to Larry's question this is the point where I want my fingerprint on my Fedora business card ... to make this exchange not require me writing it down or printing it out or anything else. We meet, we confirm identities using birth certificates and 15 forms of other identification including 6 with pictures (or whatever *you* feel is necessary beyond the stated expectation as described here and elsewhere), and you take my business card. It makes my life at a keysigning party that much easier and it makes the signer's life easier later when signing the keys too. John From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:48:46 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:48:46 +0100 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <17fa59580907010954o5d914928qc32c963f326ae76a@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011016i3da50f63i147a8a1aab01c0a1@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BAF8E.5070307@gmail.com> On 01/07/09 19:45, inode0 wrote: > Returning to Larry's question this is the point where I want my > fingerprint on my Fedora business card ... to make this exchange not > require me writing it down or printing it out or anything else. We > meet, we confirm identities using birth certificates and 15 forms of > other identification including 6 with pictures (or whatever *you* feel > is necessary #1 Not what *I Feel* it's just the way it's done. beyond the stated expectation as described here and > elsewhere), and you take my business card. It makes my life at a > keysigning party that much easier and it makes the signer's life > easier later when signing the keys too. > Once verified and validated yes. and so on out as ripples. Frank From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:57:41 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:41 -0500 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: <4A4BAF8E.5070307@gmail.com> References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> <4A4BAF8E.5070307@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 01/07/09 19:45, inode0 wrote: > >> Returning to Larry's question this is the point where I want my >> fingerprint on my Fedora business card ... to make this exchange not >> require me writing it down or printing it out or anything else. We >> meet, we confirm identities using birth certificates and 15 forms of >> other identification including 6 with pictures (or whatever *you* feel >> is necessary > > #1 Not what *I Feel* it's just the way it's done. Sorry Frank, I did not mean Frank when I said *you* there. I meant whoever is confirming the identity of the unknown party. Some people might require more than a picture ID. They might ask for 2 forms of government issued ID with one including a picture or something else. John From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:00:32 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:00:32 +0100 Subject: Proposed business card format changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090701163758.GG1219@deathray.ianweller.org> <7a0d56080907011103j76fb5504j998a977e78cf9330@mail.gmail.com> <4A4BA5CD.9050801@gmail.com> <4A4BA87C.7040501@gmail.com> <4A4BAC47.7020209@gmail.com> <4A4BAF8E.5070307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BB250.8070909@gmail.com> On 01/07/09 19:57, inode0 wrote: > > Sorry Frank, I did not mean Frank when I said *you* there. I meant > whoever is confirming the identity of the unknown party. Some people > might require more than a picture ID. They might ask for 2 forms of > government issued ID with one including a picture or something else. > > John > My bad. It's getting late here and I'm grumpy. I need some TV, to calm me down. Frank From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jul 2 21:31:05 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Interviews from LinuxTag & FUDCon Message-ID: (1) Linux Outlaws http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/99 around minute 11 -- Paul Frields & Max Spevack around minute 45 -- Mairin Duffy around minute 58 -- Jan Wildeboer === (2) Radio Tux -- Paul Frields & Max Spevack http://blog.radiotux.de/2009/06/26/interview-mit-max-spevak-und-paul-frields-von-fedora-englisch/ http://tinyurl.com/n7fvzg --Max From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jul 2 22:39:53 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:39:53 -0400 Subject: Jack's Going on Vacation!!! Message-ID: <4A4D3739.1030506@redhat.com> Hey Guys, I'm going to be on vacation from sometime in the afternoon tomorrow until the 20th. I have spoken to people to ensure that things will remain smooth and we keep building Project FooBar and conduct meetings, list discussions etc. Look to Jon Rob or Ian for guidance during this time frame. All the best, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 6 06:02:20 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:32:20 +0530 Subject: Introduction to Fedora, What's New in Fedora 11 and What's upcoming in Fedora 12 Message-ID: <4A51936C.90406@fedoraproject.org> Hi A generic template version of the presentation uploaded to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations#Fedora_11_General_Overview Feel free to reuse it for your own talk. Take a look and let me know if you have any feedback. Rahul From frankly3d at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 06:55:18 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:55:18 +0100 Subject: Distro Review: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A519FD6.3010605@gmail.com> http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/07/fedora11/ "Today I thought I?d report back in detail on my experiences with Fedora 11, the community distribution release from perennial Linux giants Red Hat." Regards, Frank -- jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com Away at Springsteen Weekend 12th July From stricko76 at googlemail.com Tue Jul 7 01:49:28 2009 From: stricko76 at googlemail.com (Robert Strickland) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:49:28 +0100 Subject: Robert Strickland Message-ID: <21061bb50907061849w4125a26nbf5dd3c5de6c6aed@mail.gmail.com> Hi Please take some time to read my message. My name is Robert strickland. I come from Boston, England and I am an open source fanatic. I started using Linux around 4 years ago and I have never lost my enthusiasm for this great operating system. Although I drive a truck for a living i have just finished a web development/marketing (CIW )course that i have been studying in my spare time. I hope to bring everything I have learned to the marketing team. I will be attending lug radio live later on this year and I would like to know if any other members of the marketing team are attending, Maby we could do some promotional stuff for the fedora project. I am also against software patents as I feel they stifle competition. I will be attending my euro mp's surgery to make my views known. Lets keep software patents out of the EU. Thankyou for taking the time to read my first post. Regards Rob. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 06:03:04 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:33:04 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A52E518.4060507@fedoraproject.org> On 07/01/2009 02:19 PM, ely castellano wrote: > Hello everyone, > > My name is Ely > > Live in Brazil > > I will not hide from yours, I have 16 years and started this new project, > because I believe in a free software that people can use from day to day. > > I'm starting my studies in linux, coding, marketing, and really I'm > lovin 'it ... > > Initially, my contribution to be restricted, the friends, the company of > my father, > the blogs, which the writers I know, my school, > more in the future, > I expect a full contribution to the projects that I see being developed > by this great team Welcome to the project Ely. Glad to have you join us here. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 06:04:01 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:34:01 +0530 Subject: Robert Strickland In-Reply-To: <21061bb50907061849w4125a26nbf5dd3c5de6c6aed@mail.gmail.com> References: <21061bb50907061849w4125a26nbf5dd3c5de6c6aed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A52E551.9060101@fedoraproject.org> On 07/07/2009 07:19 AM, Robert Strickland wrote: > Hi > > Please take some time to read my message. > > My name is Robert strickland. I come from Boston, England and I am an > open source fanatic. I started using Linux around 4 years ago and I have > never lost my enthusiasm for this great operating system. Although I > drive a truck for a living i have just finished a web > development/marketing (CIW )course that i have been studying in my spare > time. I hope to bring everything I have learned to the marketing team. I > will be attending lug radio live later on this year and I would like to > know if any other members of the marketing team are attending, Maby we > could do some promotional stuff for the fedora project. > > I am also against software patents as I feel they stifle competition. I > will be attending my euro mp's surgery to make my views known. Lets keep > software patents out of the EU. > > Thankyou for taking the time to read my first post. Yep. Software patents needs to go. I recommend watching the videos at http://www.redhat.com/stories/liberatinginnovation/ Welcome to the project. Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jul 7 08:34:54 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora Marketing meeting Tuesday July 7 Message-ID: Hi all, There is a Fedora Marketing meeting on Tuesday July 7th at the usual time (1900 UTC). Mel Chua will be leading the meeting. I would like to propose the following as the primary agenda topic: Update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule I created this page today to get us ready for the F12 cycle -- our schedule starts 6 weeks before Alpha, which is today! I'd like to see all of the items in the first section of the page have an owner, and an initial check-in date, at the end of tonight's meeting. Thanks, and good luck on a new Fedora Marketing release cycle. --Max From salvadesswaran at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 16:39:49 2009 From: salvadesswaran at gmail.com (Salvadesswaran P.S.) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:09:49 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction Message-ID: <47d9fe5c0907070939h3f20cbd8tc86d5604220f7e1a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, It is great to have you on board, welcome to the world of Fedora! And I agree with you, patents need to be kept out of not only EU but the whole world. Salva -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Please take some time to read my message. My name is Robert strickland. I come from Boston, England and I am an open source fanatic. I started using Linux around 4 years ago and I have never lost my enthusiasm for this great operating system. Although I drive a truck for a living i have just finished a web development/marketing (CIW )course that i have been studying in my spare time. I hope to bring everything I have learned to the marketing team. I will be attending lug radio live later on this year and I would like to know if any other members of the marketing team are attending, Maby we could do some promotional stuff for the fedora project. I am also against software patents as I feel they stifle competition. I will be attending my euro mp's surgery to make my views known. Lets keep software patents out of the EU. Thankyou for taking the time to read my first post. Regards Rob. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 7 19:27:36 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:27:36 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Marketing Meeting Agendas for Next Two weeks] Message-ID: <4A53A1A8.6060009@redhat.com> Hey, folks - for context in the meeting on what we're talking about, here's an email I probably should have forwarded out earlier. But this is where I'm getting the "it looks like we have $action_item..." stuff from that recently appeared on the F12 schedule page. --Mel -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Marketing Meeting Agendas for Next Two weeks Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:37:21 -0400 From: Jack Aboutboul To: Mel Chua , ianweller at fedoraproject.org, Jonathan Roberts Okay so I'm gonna be out for the next couple of weeks and Mel is going to taking over the marketing meetings for me. I wanted to leave a brief agenda behind so that the meetings have some sort of focus and to let you know what I would have had the meetings about. 7/7 Agenda: Jon Rob is the lead on all the FooBar related stuff and I will have briefed him on everything and where things should proceed in two weeks. For this meeting, follow up from last week. We had 3 actions items and we should be reporting on each of those, which where to talk to various different teams about FooBar related stuff. I am supposed to be working with docs on a publication list, which Sparks might get out to everyone next week, this isnt blocking anything so worst case it can wait. Second, Ian is supposed to be coordinating with Infrastructure to see what platform is best to use, we should have an update on this as this is the biggest item probably. Jon Rob was talking to news to see what their thoughts are and so that we can start syncing up with them and there should be a report on that. After that assuming we have some thoughts from the News team and we have an idea of what platform we want to use, we should assign tasks to start getting to work on putting the platform beta up and then coordinating with Mo for styling. Also, we need to take stuff from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule_template and added into a schedule for f12 similar to what we did for f11: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule. I'm sure this will all change at some point but for right now we are using this so lets stick to it, it worked well last time. 7/14 Agenda: This is going to be more follow up and I can't really speak too much about the agenda directly because it will be based on whether a platform choice was made and whether we have a beta of that choice up. If so, we should aim to help mo get styling done, and everyone else test other pieces out, someone should created the standardized feed etc. I guess I will read the 7/7 log and then post more comments on this after that. Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue Jul 7 20:00:51 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:00:51 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-07-07 IRC Log Message-ID: <4A53A973.1060406@axianet.ch> Hello all, Here is the log for today's marketing meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-07-07 Have a nice day Steven From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 22:42:36 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:42:36 +0100 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907071045u1660aacs6fa4af142809e6b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0907071045u1660aacs6fa4af142809e6b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0907071542ja5cac13l3bfdff2b78c5f53d@mail.gmail.com> Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list 'cos I used the wrong email address!! After seeing the meeting logs, it seems like a) it's rubbish that I couldn't be there, and that b) ianweller has picked up some jobs Jack asked me to do while he was away Re: foobar. If he's happy, that's fine by me, but just to say that I'm certainly going to be in attendance at the Zikula meetings etc so can help out as needed, Jon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jonathan Roberts Date: 2009/7/7 Subject: $foobar update To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base I can't make the meeting tonight, so I thought I better throw this out there now so that if the topic is reached, I won't be holding back progress! I've e-mailed the news list, and Pascal replied so positively that I've copied his reply in below: -------------- Hi Jon and all -- Its good to see that there is some traction with getting wordpress-mu going again for FWN and other content. ?I just read the Fedora Marketing meeting log, and count me in to help with work on this. ?The most obvious benefit we'll get is a graphical branded presence, and then syndication as well. I am not sure in this new format the extent to which the name Fedora Weekly News needs to be retained. ?In a sense the entire effort is going to be news on the project, right? ?OTOH, FWN does have name recognition, and it might help to identify sections of the site, since there are going to be content from all across the project. Most of the current sections of FWN will find sections of their own in the new format, I'd think. ?Certainly Ambassadors, Planet, Art/Design, Translation, Development. ?Dale's virtualization beat is a creation unto itself, covering several different areas. ?We'll hopefully be able to get content from other areas that aren't even represented. I think we should use this opportunity to fully commit FWN to this larger effort. ?News will gain a lot from a branded presence and we can all contribute to a larger goal. Perhaps the place to start is simply going through and determining what sections make sense in the new site, and where FWN could contribute content to these areas? ------------------------- My suggestion was that we should move forward by trying to arrange a joint meeting between all effected and involved... so I'm thinking news, marketing, infrastructure and docs.... anybody I've missed? Ian, have you had a reply from the infra people yet about their side of things? Tomorrow evening there's a Zikula meeting that I'll be attending, and so we can consider that as a possibility on the infra side as well. I think it might be best to move these discussions out of the marketing list and onto the new logistics list at some point in the near future... at least partially. Hope this is helpful, and bon chance with this evenings meeting, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 7 23:33:36 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:33:36 -0400 Subject: $foobar update Message-ID: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ironically enough my first attempt to send this never went through either. No notification it was put under moderation either. ~m -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: M?ir?n Duffy > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Subject: Re: $foobar update > Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:28:44 -0400 > > On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 23:42 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list > > 'cos I used the wrong email address!! > > I've noticed the same problem. I've written many messages to the > marketing list that never made it, and I never got any kind of > moderation pending bounceback or anything. > > Seems like the settings on the list should at least be tweaked so you'll > know right away you got moderated because you used the wrong email > address. > > ~m From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 00:24:02 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:24:02 -0400 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/7/7 M?ir?n Duffy : > Ironically enough my first attempt to send this never went through > either. > > No notification it was put under moderation either. > > ~m It probably just goes straight to /dev/null if you got no notification :( From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 8 04:45:27 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:45:27 -0400 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A542467.20801@redhat.com> Another thing for the "jack todo when he gets back" list, then. :) I'll add it to the wikitable (updates coming soon, racing my RSI and laptop battery running out so this might happen in 7 hours if i don't finish in 20min.) I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list as well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they have a sec before then. *pokepoke* --Mel M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ironically enough my first attempt to send this never went through > either. > > No notification it was put under moderation either. > > ~m > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> From: M?ir?n Duffy >> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >> >> Subject: Re: $foobar update >> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:28:44 -0400 >> >> On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 23:42 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list >>> 'cos I used the wrong email address!! >> I've noticed the same problem. I've written many messages to the >> marketing list that never made it, and I never got any kind of >> moderation pending bounceback or anything. >> >> Seems like the settings on the list should at least be tweaked so you'll >> know right away you got moderated because you used the wrong email >> address. >> >> ~m > From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jul 8 05:22:49 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:22:49 -0500 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907071542ja5cac13l3bfdff2b78c5f53d@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0907071045u1660aacs6fa4af142809e6b2@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0907071542ja5cac13l3bfdff2b78c5f53d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090708052249.GQ27918@deathray.ianweller.org> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:42:36PM +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list > 'cos I used the wrong email address!! After seeing the meeting logs, > it seems like a) it's rubbish that I couldn't be there, and that b) > ianweller has picked up some jobs Jack asked me to do while he was > away Re: foobar. If he's happy, that's fine by me, but just to say > that I'm certainly going to be in attendance at the Zikula meetings > etc so can help out as needed, > Hah. I'll help out as necessary :) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 8 15:28:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:28:17 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-07-07 minutes and tasks In-Reply-To: <4A53A973.1060406@axianet.ch> References: <4A53A973.1060406@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A54BB11.8030200@redhat.com> Thanks for cleaning and posting logs, Steven! Sorry for the delay in getting these notes out, everyone; I had a bunch of back-to-back IRC meetings and neglected to take RSI breaks, so I had to wait a while for my hands to regain usefulness. Again, here's Steven's log: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-07-07 Our current tasks for the 6 weeks leading to Alpha (now 'till 8/18) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#The_6_weeks_leading_up_to_Alpha_.282009-07-07_-_2009-08-18.29 Tasks that aren't cycle milestones: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#Current_tasks I've appended the tasks with due dates on or before our next meeting at the bottom of this message, and cc'd folks with tasks on this email. A separate email on the status of FooBar will be going out shortly, since that's a big topic with a lot of discussion/coordination going on right now - but there's plenty of non-FooBar stuff to be done to keep us on track for F12, so don't get too distracted by this. ;) (Many thanks to Steven for setting a great example of how to keep us moving forward with our other duties while the FooBar convo is ongoing!) *runs to make ready the [[FooBar]] page* --Mel -------- mchua: update marketing f12 schedule with meeting notes, create FooBar page and hand off to appropriate people (2009-07-08) moixs: Cleanup the wiki from the obsolete marketing cycles (2009-07-14) moixs: Cycle the wiki pages to the new release (2009-07-14) ianweller: Choose a Foobar platform (2009-08-01) Final platform should be chosen by 8/1; in the meantime, this means serving as the liason between zikula/logistics and marketing/foobar alongside JonRob. Specific deliverables before 7/14 marketing meeting: (1) Attend 7/8 Zikula meeting as Marketing/FooBar delegate, and send meeting notes from that perspective to both the logistics and marketing lists; (2) on FooBar, list the criteria you're using for platform selection, and (3) on FooBar, draft a list of features that platform should have (as part of the selection criteria) on FooBar. Ping Marketing people on-list and in-channel to help fill in brainstorms for all 3. Sparks: Docs team release notes request writeup (2009-07-14) Docs team wants Marketing to write a 1-pg user-focused version of release notes; Sparks to shoot an email to mktglist on what the idea is and what Docs is looking for from Marketing. It sounds like you'd like Marketing to own the 1-pg notes and coordinate with Docs, but we are not sure exactly what this 1-pager is that we would own. At the 7/14 meeting, we'll look for volunteers and set a future milestone for this, probably towards the end of the release cycle. From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 8 16:06:43 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:06:43 -0400 Subject: FooBar: The wiki page and update Message-ID: <4A54C413.20408@redhat.com> Rather than fill your inboxes with another long email, this page reflects everything I could find and everything I know about FooBar (which needs a new name). You'll notice that "everything Mel knows" == "not all that much," so please take 5 minutes to add your own braindumps here! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar JonRob and Ian are attacking the page as we speak, and Ian will be calling for participation on certain spots on this page in just a moment. ;) --Mel From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jul 8 16:12:10 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:12:10 -0500 Subject: FooBar: The wiki page and update In-Reply-To: <4A54C413.20408@redhat.com> References: <4A54C413.20408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090708161210.GD2589@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:06:43PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar > > JonRob and Ian are attacking the page as we speak, and Ian will be > calling for participation on certain spots on this page in just a moment. > HEY GO EDIT NOW KTHXBAI (specifically the "Platform Options" and "Name Brainstorming" bits) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 21:44:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:44:42 -0400 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <4A542467.20801@redhat.com> References: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A542467.20801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090708214442.GB24763@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:45:27AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > Another thing for the "jack todo when he gets back" list, then. :) I'll > add it to the wikitable (updates coming soon, racing my RSI and laptop > battery running out so this might happen in 7 hours if i don't finish in > 20min.) > > I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list as > well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they have a > sec before then. *pokepoke* Hm. Well, somehow I've managed to *not* have that admin password on my list, but I didn't recall I was an owner, so maybe it's not such a big surprise. I know that tchung is usually not around these days, as he's on hiatus from Fedora for personal reasons, and nman64 is sometimes scarce too. We should probably get some of the primary folks around these parts added. Paul From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 00:35:25 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:35:25 -0400 Subject: FooBar page: now with more background/notes/mockups Message-ID: <4A57DE4D.9000501@redhat.com> I merged some old notes on FooBar into the current project page - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar (there's a lot more stuff there now, including a gorgeous and hilarious mockup by Mo). Go check it out - and as per Ian's earlier request, please add your ideas to the brainstorm list on... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Platform_selection_criteria https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Platform_specs.2Frequirements https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Name_brainstorming ...we'll be taking a few minutes to throw out ideas on each of those categories at the start of the next meeting, but anything we can do before the meeting helps to shorten it. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 11 00:41:52 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:41:52 -0400 Subject: $foobar update Message-ID: <4A57DFD0.7080206@redhat.com> >> I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list >> as well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they >> have a sec before then. *pokepoke* > Hm. Well, somehow I've managed to *not* have that admin password on my > list, but I didn't recall I was an owner, so maybe it's not such a big > surprise. I know that tchung is usually not around these days, as he's > on hiatus from Fedora for personal reasons, and nman64 is sometimes > scarce too. We should probably get some of the primary folks around > these parts added. > Paul Btw, I've marked this (making sure the mailing list mods list holds the right people) as something to do in the f12 cycle before beta starts, and given it to themayor (with Jack's permission, when he gets back) since this is something that seems prudent to do every release cycle anyway. --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 00:53:21 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:53:21 -0400 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <4A57DFD0.7080206@redhat.com> References: <4A57DFD0.7080206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090711005321.GC28530@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 08:41:52PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >>> I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list > >> as well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they > >> have a sec before then. *pokepoke* > > > Hm. Well, somehow I've managed to *not* have that admin password on my > > list, but I didn't recall I was an owner, so maybe it's not such a big > > surprise. I know that tchung is usually not around these days, as he's > > on hiatus from Fedora for personal reasons, and nman64 is sometimes > > scarce too. We should probably get some of the primary folks around > > these parts added. > > Paul > > Btw, I've marked this (making sure the mailing list mods list holds the > right people) as something to do in the f12 cycle before beta starts, and > given it to themayor (with Jack's permission, when he gets back) since > this is something that seems prudent to do every release cycle anyway. That's excellent Mel. I'll see if there's anyone who can help me get this resolved somehow in the meantime -- I can't seem to poke the list in any way that makes it resend me the admin password (as opposed to my individual password), so I'm kind of stuck. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Jul 11 07:26:26 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:26:26 +0200 Subject: Wiki cleanup Message-ID: <4A583EA2.9070308@axianet.ch> Hello all, As for every Fedora cycle, I am cleaning up our marketing wiki and cycling pages to Fedora 12. I'd like to discuss some pages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks: I'd like to archive this page, in the new cycle we have simply added a "current tasks" table to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule which serves the same purpose. I have transferred all the tasks which are still alive from the old page to the new one, but please have a look and tweak it as you like. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials : updating this page was a task for the F11 cycle, but with project FooBar I propose that we archive it and integrate user testimonials directly in a section of the new CMS? We could have an article every month or so about a specific Fedora usage in a company or by someone as an article. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups : does this page still make sense? Archive? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_surveys : does this page still make sense? Archive? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books : this clearly needs love, I added it to the current tasks list. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump : does this page still make sense? It looks like we are using the mailinglist for that... Any comments? I won't touch the pages until the next meeting. Have a nice day Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 11 12:22:50 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:52:50 +0530 Subject: Distro Review: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A58841A.2040201@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/07/fedora11/ "I think things are really looking up in the Fedora world. They have lots of innovative features and things that will no doubt end up in future releases of other distros. This is where they see themselves, the ground breakers or pioneers who explore new things on behalf of the rest of us. The developers have done a great job on Fedora 11 and I encourage you to take a look at it and let me know how it works for you." Rahul From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sun Jul 12 10:44:24 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:44:24 +0200 Subject: Wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A583EA2.9070308@axianet.ch> References: <4A583EA2.9070308@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A59BE88.8080204@gmx.de> Hy, > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks: I'd like to archive > this page, in the new cycle we have simply added a "current tasks" > table to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule which > serves the same purpose. I have transferred all the tasks which are > still alive from the old page to the new one, but please have a look > and tweak it as you like. Is it possible to diferentiate those a bit mor structureable? maybe let the "Frontpage" Marketing_tasks and then diferentiate to past , actual and future tasks. Also I think there will be allways ongoing tasts that could stay on the Marketing_tasts page... > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials : updating this page > was a task for the F11 cycle, but with project FooBar I propose that > we archive it and integrate user testimonials directly in a section of > the new CMS? We could have an article every month or so about a > specific Fedora usage in a company or by someone as an article. +1 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups : does this page still > make sense? Archive? -1 ! Linux User Groups all around the world are (in my opinion) most of the community based structures outside Fedora itself. They have a lot of potential and even if there are strictly a marketing issue it can be one part of it... > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_surveys : does this page > still make sense? Archive? Good question ... > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books : this clearly needs love, I > added it to the current tasks list. +1 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump : does this page > still make sense? It looks like we are using the mailinglist for that... Hmm, i think sometimes a mailinglist is good, sometimes a wiki. That depends on the task... So, that are my 23 Cents ;-) mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 08:26:10 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:56:10 +0530 Subject: Is Fedora for me? Message-ID: <4A5AEFA2.3040803@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I have expanded on this section to emphasis better who Fedora is for, relationship to EL, info on EPEL and other little tidbits. Take a look and feel free to add your comments https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 08:41:04 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:11:04 +0530 Subject: Is Fedora for you? Message-ID: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> Hi Expanded the section to include more information on Fedora audience, EL, EPEL and other smaller tidbits. Please review and add your comments https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F Rahul From leonardo.vaz at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:12:01 2009 From: leonardo.vaz at gmail.com (Leonardo Menezes Vaz) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:12:01 -0300 Subject: Is Fedora for you? In-Reply-To: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ff193860907130512s506c759bke2687fdc16f8c793@mail.gmail.com> > Expanded the section to include more information on Fedora audience, EL, > EPEL and other smaller tidbits. Please review and add your comments > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F "If instead, you are looking for a distribution that moves slower and has a longer lifecycle with commercial support, there are other choices within the Fedora family of distributions including derivatives like Red Hat Enterprise Linux or free community rebuilds of it might be more suitable for you and Fedora community enables and supports this freedom of choice by providing infrastructure and maintaining packages in the EPEL add-on repository for Enterprise Linux." (I'm new here and probably this was discussed before) Why don't we have a kind of LTS version for some releases? That could be really useful for those users who can't afford RHEL and don't want use free community rebuilds. Fedora could be an alternative if we had some version with a longer lifecycle, and I believe this could also help RedHat too because there would be more people running on servers, exactly where their product is more used. More users, more bugs reported and fixed, more stability and reliability. I'm a Ambassador here in Brazil and my role at the project is promoting Fedora. Lots of people I talk here argue they don't use it not because the bleeding edge software but because they just can't reinstall a system every 6 or 12 months or upgrade to a newer version. This same argument is often used by people who say Fedora is a distribution for developers who want to aligned to brand new stuff and not to Desktop users, for the same reasons stated above. All we know Fedora is a great distro, and F11 is as good as any mainstream distributions, but I just can't say people's arguments are FUD, because they are quite right about what they say. I know this may be not the main goal of this project, but a longer lifecycle version in 5 or 6 releases could change this situation, and also could help us reaching more users and different markets. That's was my 2 cents. :) Regards, Leo -- Leonardo Menezes Vaz ++55 51 91568225 www.tchelinux.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 12:14:35 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:44:35 +0530 Subject: Is Fedora for you? In-Reply-To: <1ff193860907130512s506c759bke2687fdc16f8c793@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> <1ff193860907130512s506c759bke2687fdc16f8c793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5B252B.4040902@fedoraproject.org> On 07/13/2009 05:42 PM, Leonardo Menezes Vaz wrote: > Why don't we have a kind of LTS version for some releases? That could > be really useful for those users who can't afford RHEL and don't want > use free community rebuilds. Fedora could be an alternative if we had > some version with a longer lifecycle, and I believe this could also > help RedHat too because there would be more people running on servers, > exactly where their product is more used. This has been discussed many times in fedora-devel list before. Since I don't want to rehash the same discussion, I ask you read up on the previous discussions. Rahul From giallu at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:48:45 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:48:45 +0200 Subject: Is Fedora for you? In-Reply-To: <4A5B252B.4040902@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> <1ff193860907130512s506c759bke2687fdc16f8c793@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B252B.4040902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > This has been discussed many times in fedora-devel list before. Since I > don't want to rehash the same discussion, I ask you read up on the > previous discussions. And the last time at: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/116737 in relation to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle If you are interested, consider joining the effort. -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From mel at redhat.com Mon Jul 13 19:00:05 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:00:05 -0700 Subject: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <71b2726348adfe337b502799b700049f@localhost.localdomain> Join us in #fedora-meetings for another action-packed Fedora Marketing Meeting! Information at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings. As usual, we will be going through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. * Will "fruitbar" reign? * Will users testify to the awesomeness of Fedora? * Will our wiki pages TOTALLY KICK ASS for F12? * Will creme brulee forever be without proper accents, or will Mel learns to use alt-gr properly? * What does the FooBar platform need to do? (This is important for selecting our platform, which is the big blocker we need to clear before anything else on FooBar can move forward, so please chime in on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Platform_specs.2Frequirements if you can, with *any* thoughts that you might have.) * I think I've followed up with everyone who's working on something for the meeting by now - if I've missed you, or if you need anything, please ping! (I'm on IRC as mchua most of the time, and email also works). See you tomorrow! --Mel From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 19:37:31 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:37:31 +0100 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <20090711005321.GC28530@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A57DFD0.7080206@redhat.com> <20090711005321.GC28530@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0907131237n6ebadac9wce076a796298f553@mail.gmail.com> Some further updates on $foobar and News. It's worth noting that events have not fully unfolded yet, but with the meeting tomorrow night I wanted to give people plenty of advance information so things can go nice and smoothly :) The only concern really put forward from any member of the News team thus far is relating to work flow, but the same person who expressed these concerns was equally quick to express their belief that broader exposure, RSS etc are all good. WRT work flow, the concerns were being able to edit in plain text still, using vi or what not, having a weekly deadline to work towards for motivation, and the desire not to split each article of FWN into a separate WP/$CMS entry. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg00009.html You can see my response to this message linked below. Suffice to say that I largely sympathised with the concerns, and emphasised that the goal of this project is to find ways to make life easier for News, Marketing and anyone else who might be interested to get stuff done and to gain a larger readership/more coherent presence across the project. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg00011.html Since that particular thread, a broader one has started on the News list in which the nature, processes and future of News are being discussed, and while these issues mostly focus on particulars of the News team, it might be interesting to note from the Marketing perspective that there is something of a consensus (perhaps overstating the case a little) that FWN is in itself a form of marketing, The outcome of that thread will be interesting to watch, and probably impact on the way they will be interested in collaborating on $foobar. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg00013.html All that being said, there's not been any input from news on to the wiki (despite my gentle prodding), though I'm pleased to see that more design requirements and suggestions have rolled in from other areas of the project.... Please, put feedback and requirements on to the wiki, in any section, so Ian can make a decision soon on the platform we want to pursue!! I don't think we should necessarily block on News, as both Zikula and WP have a good plugin architecture that would probably allow us to work the system to their needs later... although maybe this is short sighted? Racing against the battery now, hope this was useful, see you all tomorrow. Jon From eric at christensenplace.us Mon Jul 13 21:25:55 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:25:55 -0400 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes Message-ID: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to quote Paul (stickster). It might be an even better idea to have a team comprised of some Marketing members and some Docs members to form a Release Notes Team to create both the larger Release Notes as well as the one-page version. More people means less work for a few but also means continuity through various releases. Thoughts? -- Thanks, Eric Christensen Fedora Docs Project Lead Fedora Talk: 5102043 Phone: 919-424-0063 x 5102043 E-Mail: sparks at fedoraproject.org SIP: sparks at talk.fedoraproject.org IRC: Sparks on freenode.net GPG Fingerprint: CA02 4ACA EB6C 1A76 F0D6 1127 7D04 D240 BD0C 14C1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 13 21:46:09 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:16:09 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 is dead. Long Live Fedora 10 and 11? Message-ID: <4A5BAB21.5050701@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/fedora-9-is-dead-long-live-fed.html "From its initial creation out of what was once the Red Hat Linux distribution, Fedora has always been a fast moving distribution. As part of that fast moving approach, older releases don't live all that long. The current policy is that releases will live only until one month after the N-2 (next two) release is out. Fedora 11 came out one month ago and now its time for Fedora 9 to go away." Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Mon Jul 13 22:19:13 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:19:13 -0400 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes In-Reply-To: <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> References: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1247523553.2645.16.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: > > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page > > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other > > users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and > > would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for > > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to > > quote Paul (stickster). > > How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How > do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? > > Rahul > Think desktop publishing... think pretty pictures... think "more than just links to other pages". I guess that would be the differences I think of when I look at the release summary. It isn't very exciting looking. Well, the more technical detailed release notes are very blah and are many pages long. It's more like a book. What we want is more like a newspaper front page. Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just for an understanding of what I am referring to, this is the actual release summary I last worked on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary > Well, the more technical detailed release notes are very blah and are > many pages long. It's more like a book. What we want is more like a > newspaper front page. That still doesn't answer the question on what you would call the current release notes in the future. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 22:58:31 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:58:31 -0400 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes In-Reply-To: <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> References: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090713225831.GB22208@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: > > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page > > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other > > users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and > > would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for > > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to > > quote Paul (stickster). > > How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How > do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? In all the ways we've discussed here on the list and in Marketing meetings previously: * Easy to read descriptions of major changes, from the perspective of target audiences * Screenshots illustrating changes * Alignment with the feature list and talking points where appropriate * Links to (and not reproductions of) gory details in the actual release notes -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 06:49:53 2009 From: sreeram.vasudevan at gmail.com (Sreeram Vasudevan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:19:53 +0530 Subject: Is Fedora for you? In-Reply-To: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <85035c970907132349r7b6915bfwfe652d92b90dd3@mail.gmail.com> Hello Sir, I am student from SASTRA Tamil Nadu, India and I found that Fedora 11 is really cool and ideal for educational and research oriented purposes. Many of my friends want to do their academic mini project in open source platform for which I feel fedora 11 shall be ideal. I want to spread the popularity of Fedora 11 here.Could you please help me go about it? I m really zealous and willing to promote fedora.I also want to contribute towards it. Thank you and awaiting your reply Sreeram Vasudevan B.Tech IT SASTRA Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside of them was superior to circumstance !!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 06:58:57 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:28:57 +0530 Subject: Fedora Event at Sastra [was:Re: Is Fedora for you?] Message-ID: <35586fc00907132358lc5613d2w276dac0f8f1e8c03@mail.gmail.com> Apologies about the thread fork. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Sreeram Vasudevan wrote: > I am student from SASTRA Tamil Nadu, India and I found that Fedora 11 is > really cool and ideal for educational and research oriented purposes. Many > of my friends want to do their academic mini project in open source platform > for which I feel fedora 11 shall be ideal. I want to spread the popularity > of Fedora 11 here.Could you please help me go about it? I m really zealous > and willing to promote fedora.I also want to contribute towards it. Please take a look at I guess a few of the Fedora folks are in touch about an event etc. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 07:40:40 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:40:40 +0100 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes In-Reply-To: <20090713225831.GB22208@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> <20090713225831.GB22208@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0907140040g52aaccb0g73e7681bd64234e3@mail.gmail.com> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: >> > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page >> > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other >> > users. ?This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and >> > would only contain high-level changes. ?I guess what we are looking for >> > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to >> > quote Paul (stickster). >> >> How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How >> do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? > I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for different audiences. That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff. Jon From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 08:18:41 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:18:41 +0100 Subject: Is Fedora for you? In-Reply-To: <85035c970907132349r7b6915bfwfe652d92b90dd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5AF320.4060706@fedoraproject.org> <85035c970907132349r7b6915bfwfe652d92b90dd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5C3F61.6070104@fedoraproject.org> On 14/07/09 07:49, Sreeram Vasudevan wrote: > Hello Sir, > I am student from SASTRA Tamil Nadu, India and I found that Fedora 11 is > really cool and ideal for educational and research oriented purposes. > Many of my friends want to do their academic mini project in open source > platform for which I feel fedora 11 shall be ideal. I want to spread the > popularity of Fedora 11 here.Could you please help me go about it? I m > really zealous and willing to promote fedora.I also want to contribute > towards it. > > Thank you and awaiting your reply > > Sreeram Vasudevan > B.Tech IT > SASTRA > 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Join the "Ambassador* program, it can be very helpful to .what you need. 2:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Never hijack a thread. Start a new subject. 3: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india A very active Indian Community. Regards, Frank From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Jul 14 16:19:09 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:19:09 -0400 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907140040g52aaccb0g73e7681bd64234e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> <20090713225831.GB22208@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0907140040g52aaccb0g73e7681bd64234e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:40, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: >>> > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page >>> > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other >>> > users. ?This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and >>> > would only contain high-level changes. ?I guess what we are looking for >>> > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to >>> > quote Paul (stickster). >>> >>> How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How >>> do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? >> > > I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used > to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of > discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the > Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and > that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the > Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing > the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for > different audiences. > > That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the > Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a > worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to > show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did > before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora > land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate > how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff. > > Jon Jon, I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their job in creating this documentation. We are simply saying that there may be a better way of doing these projects. I know that I've been asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here. The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users in a better way. This idea is just one of those thoughts. I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project. Eric From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 16:58:38 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:58:38 +0100 Subject: The "One" Page Release Notes In-Reply-To: References: <1247520355.2645.9.camel@thunder.christensenplace.us> <4A5BA71E.7070509@fedoraproject.org> <20090713225831.GB22208@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0907140040g52aaccb0g73e7681bd64234e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0907140958k13cfb320k389dc42f56929d95@mail.gmail.com> > Jon, > I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their > job in creating this documentation. ?We are simply saying that there > may be a better way of doing these projects. ?I know that I've been > asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here. > > The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release > Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users > in a better way. ?This idea is just one of those thoughts. > > I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project. I wasn't suggesting that, simply that more recognition of work that's done before would sometimes go a long way, rather than dropping by and saying "we have this great new idea..." without showing any awareness of similar work that's been done before. A quick bit of Google searching shows enough to get a feel for what has come before. I know in the past this has made work I've done feel undervalued, and left me feeling very frustrated with the project as a whole. Not only would it prevent such feelings but it would also lead to better quality work, building on the shoulders of giants and all that... I'd like to emphasise as well that I'm almost certain that everyone in the project appreciates all the work done by other contributors, and I'm sure you're no different. Just a little more research before hand might go a long way. This, I guess, is just a bit of a hot button issue for me that I'm a little quick to react to... Like I said, and I'm sorry it's been pushed to the side, but I'd like to help with this effort, so please do keep us on the marketing list informed of what direction you push things. Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jul 14 19:05:11 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <71b2726348adfe337b502799b700049f@localhost.localdomain> References: <71b2726348adfe337b502799b700049f@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > As usual, we will be going through > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. I have a topic that I would like to see the Marketing Team address: The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora usage on various "netbooks". I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default one) that would work fine on Netbooks. I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on different Netbooks. --Max From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 19:10:00 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:10:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting) Message-ID: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> > The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora > usage on various "netbooks". > > I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering > problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default > one) that would work fine on Netbooks. > > I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best > practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on > different Netbooks. I also had a lot of these questions at LSM. It turned out people were more looking for a spin dedicated to netbooks (see UNR), they didn't really want to know that Gnome runs perfectly fine with a small display. Last time I checked, we didn't have such a dedicated desktop environment in our repositories, did I miss something ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:36:11 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: References: <71b2726348adfe337b502799b700049f@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090714193611.GP22626@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 09:05:11PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > >> As usual, we will be going through >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. > > I have a topic that I would like to see the Marketing Team address: > > The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding > Fedora usage on various "netbooks". > > I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering > problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default > one) that would work fine on Netbooks. > > I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best > practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on > different Netbooks. I agree, and I think we should take a look at what experience Fedora offers right now on those Netbooks. When someone tries Fedora out of the box, what if anything are they missing? I have anecdotal reports for F11 that range from "OK" to "amazing." Probably the best thing we could provide is a roundup of support with a "green/yellow/red" HUD, where people can see if there are any problem areas. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:51:59 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:51:59 -0400 Subject: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting) In-Reply-To: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 09:10:00PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora > > usage on various "netbooks". > > > > I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering > > problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default > > one) that would work fine on Netbooks. > > > > I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best > > practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on > > different Netbooks. > > I also had a lot of these questions at LSM. It turned out people were > more looking for a spin dedicated to netbooks (see UNR), they didn't > really want to know that Gnome runs perfectly fine with a small > display. > > Last time I checked, we didn't have such a dedicated desktop > environment in our repositories, did I miss something ? This is a great point Mathieu. As a matter of fact, one of the calls I got about Fedora 11 on a netbook was from a certain prominent executive, who installed it on his HP 2133 and said it was the first distro of any kind where he could read the screen properly. Not having a netbook, I'm wondering where currently our user experience suffers, and where we can do better -- although that's not really a Marketing topic per se. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 19:57:24 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:57:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting) In-Reply-To: <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> References: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Not having a netbook, I'm wondering where currently our user > experience suffers, and where we can do better -- although that's not > really a Marketing topic per se. >From my experience with Dell and HP netbooks the problems are mostly the kind we can't fix easily. Like unfortunate choices for wireless hardware. Some Xorg issues seem pretty common as well. Once you get things up and running the only issue that I see from time to time is a dialog box that doesn't fit on the display and that won't resize making it darn near impossible to hit buttons and, well, it is sort of a crapshoot when you can't see what the buttons say anyway. John From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 14 17:04:36 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:04:36 -0400 Subject: Meeting logs July 14 2009 Message-ID: <4A5CBAA4.8080104@redhat.com> Meeting bots make my life so much easier. Here's today's meeting log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-14/fedora-meeting.2009-07-14-19.00.log.html Also listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009 I'm going to eat lunch, then do follow-ups. Lots of things hitting the list this week, including an action-oriented summary of this week's somewhat longish log - prepare your inboxes. ;) --Mel From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 20:40:12 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:40:12 -0800 Subject: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting) In-Reply-To: <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> References: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910907141340r45d67218pd1d30da625adc5aa@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > This is a great point Mathieu. ?As a matter of fact, one of the calls > I got about Fedora 11 on a netbook was from a certain prominent > executive, who installed it on his HP 2133 and said it was the first > distro of any kind where he could read the screen properly. Perhaps we are just lucky there and it has more to say about the usability sacrifices of a 9 inch screen Displays are getting bigger and bigger with each model release. The HP 2140 and Dell Mini 10v now has a 10 inch screens. -jef From pfrields at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 21:08:35 2009 From: pfrields at fedoraproject.org (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:35 -0400 Subject: testing moderation Message-ID: <20090714210835.GS22626@localhost.localdomain> test -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 21:13:28 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910907141340r45d67218pd1d30da625adc5aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780907141210u44b7817djc214c19429298dcf@mail.gmail.com> <20090714195159.GQ22626@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910907141340r45d67218pd1d30da625adc5aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090714211328.GT22626@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:40:12PM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > This is a great point Mathieu. ?As a matter of fact, one of the calls > > I got about Fedora 11 on a netbook was from a certain prominent > > executive, who installed it on his HP 2133 and said it was the first > > distro of any kind where he could read the screen properly. > > Perhaps we are just lucky there and it has more to say about the > usability sacrifices of a 9 inch screen Displays are getting bigger > and bigger with each model release. The HP 2140 and Dell Mini 10v now > has a 10 inch screens. Let's see if we can get this discussion either moved to a relevant list, or captured somewhere that we can use in showing how well Fedora works on netbooks. My comment was more of an aside -- trying to make the point that I'm not sure we know how well we're doing on netbooks without (1) knowing whether netbook users are reporting their experiences and problems, and turning those into actionable bugs; and maybe (2) forming an effort to do that in Fedora, with the intention of getting appropriate fixes upstream. And just to put *way* too fine a point on it, *that* conversation needs to be had somewhere other than on this list, too! :-D -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 21:18:49 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:18:49 -0400 Subject: foobar rawhide weather report Message-ID: <1247606329.2672.397.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey, I was going over the requirements for $foobar and I was thinking about the Rawhide weather report idea we had (check the upper right corner of the mockup https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/ce/FooBar.png ) The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should factor into the requirements. Similarly, there's an idea in the mockup to show live dents (please let's not use twitter). That might also need to factor in the requirements if we decide this design idea is worth pursuing. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 21:32:18 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:32:18 -0800 Subject: foobar rawhide weather report In-Reply-To: <1247606329.2672.397.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247606329.2672.397.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910907141432qe8dcf5fwde8a1306526db607@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/14 M?ir?n Duffy : > The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a > given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know > if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should > factor into the requirements. Useful? that I can't say. But humorous and personable...yes. Just to play devil's advocate you could also play around with a forest fire danger level theme. http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/shastatrinity/images/nra/photos/vic-photos/smokey-close.jpg "Only you can prevent Rawhide Breakage" But the rawhide postcasting (thats the opposite of forecasting right?) report probably probably has a better website feel to it. -jef"I look forward to being able to build predictive models based on historical rawhide weather data and actually predict tomorrow's rawhide weather."spaleta From duffym at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 21:44:12 2009 From: duffym at gmail.com (Martin Duffy) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:44:12 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy Message-ID: Hi everyone! My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever else I can (or can learn) to do! My first job out of college was with the State University of NY research foundation writing web content, spotlight features, news, interviews with people, and that sort of thing for one of their Albany-area high tech career exploration sites, and my second job also involved writing (mostly legal writing though) with the NYS Attorney General's office. Anywho, hope I can be useful in marketing Fedora, and I'm usually always on google talk (same ID as my email addy) or on AIM where my sn is justshovejayohbe, so feel free to say hi if you see me! - Martin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 14 21:47:25 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:17:25 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5CFCED.6080609@fedoraproject.org> On 07/15/2009 03:14 AM, Martin Duffy wrote: > Hi everyone! > > My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin > works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source > software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school > about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm > volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day > job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, > blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever > else I can (or can learn) to do! Welcome to Fedora marketing. At a glance I was wondering why Mo was introducing herself again after all this time. Apparently more of the family is getting involved now. Nice. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 14 20:41:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:41:32 -0400 Subject: foobar rawhide weather report In-Reply-To: <604aa7910907141432qe8dcf5fwde8a1306526db607@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247606329.2672.397.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910907141432qe8dcf5fwde8a1306526db607@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5CED7C.4050706@redhat.com> > 2009/7/14 M?ir?n Duffy : >> The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a >> given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know >> if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should >> factor into the requirements. Totally. Love. This. Idea. Whenever I see the mockup I look at the forecast and start laughing. Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Design_requirements. This actually makes a nice use case / litmus test for how easy it is to get little custom tweaks into our platform choice, 'cause it's pretty tough to distinguish them otherwise (going off our current requirements list and comparing it to the platforms listed on the wiki page, without looking at other important things like "how responsive is upstream"?) Any zikula experts in the audience who can chime in and say "yeah, zikula can do that, and it's this hard/easy"? My $0.02: for sanity, nifty features like this should be automated as much as possible - autogenerate the forecast based on buildbot, say. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 14 21:16:20 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:16:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Classroom In-Reply-To: <20090714141053.1df6f6f0@ohm.scrye.com> References: <20090714141053.1df6f6f0@ohm.scrye.com> Message-ID: <4A5CF5A4.5060200@redhat.com> Thanks, Kevin! I'll start by forwarding this to the marketing list (cc'd), then start doing more specific pings/ideas when I'm going through those meeting notes tonight. Marketing folks, *awesome* opportunity to teach people about your projects and get them involved, and to learn exciting new things. Go go go! --Mel Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > We could use some marketing mojo with the Fedora Classroom project: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom > > We are always looking for people to teach classes, but also we are > looking at ways to get more students to attend classes. > > We have a help wanted page: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom_Help_Wanted > > and a mailing list: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom > > Basically we would love to get some folks involved from marketing that > could blog post about upcoming classes, post on the fedoraforum, or > other ways of increasing attendance. ;) > > Let me know if you would like to help, or introduce yourself on the > mailing list. > > Thanks, > > kevin From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 00:24:54 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:24:54 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090715002454.GC1349@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 05:44:12PM -0400, Martin Duffy wrote: > Hi everyone! > > My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin > works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source > software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school > about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm > volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day > job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, > blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever > else I can (or can learn) to do! My first job out of college was with > the State University of NY research foundation writing web content, > spotlight features, news, interviews with people, and that sort of > thing for one of their Albany-area high tech career exploration sites, > and my second job also involved writing (mostly legal writing though) > with the NYS Attorney General's office. > > Anywho, hope I can be useful in marketing Fedora, and I'm usually > always on google talk (same ID as my email addy) or on AIM where my sn > is justshovejayohbe, so feel free to say hi if you see me! I did the same thing. Say Martin, you wouldn't be interested in changing your name to something like Eoghan, would you? Otherwise I forecast a lot of crossed email threads... :-) Just kidding of course. Welcome to our huge dysfunctional (but basically happy) family! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 00:49:04 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:04 -0400 Subject: $foobar update In-Reply-To: <20090708214442.GB24763@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247009616.21142.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A542467.20801@redhat.com> <20090708214442.GB24763@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090715004904.GD1349@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:44:42PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:45:27AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > Another thing for the "jack todo when he gets back" list, then. :) I'll > > add it to the wikitable (updates coming soon, racing my RSI and laptop > > battery running out so this might happen in 7 hours if i don't finish in > > 20min.) > > > > I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list as > > well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they have a > > sec before then. *pokepoke* > > Hm. Well, somehow I've managed to *not* have that admin password on > my list, but I didn't recall I was an owner, so maybe it's not such a > big surprise. I know that tchung is usually not around these days, as > he's on hiatus from Fedora for personal reasons, and nman64 is > sometimes scarce too. We should probably get some of the primary > folks around these parts added. Max got me fixed up with the password, and I've added Steven, JonRob, and Mel to the admins list. I'll send each of you guys the admin password. I did *not* change the default for messages from non-members away from the current setting, which is "Discard." In a couple hours, I got more spam than I get from my other admin lists in a day or two, meaning this list (probably because of its name) is a big fat spam target. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jul 15 04:37:28 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:37:28 -0500 Subject: foobar platform pre-decision Message-ID: <20090715043728.GB10282@deathray.ianweller.org> At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the Foobar project, mostly under the reasoning of "kill two birds with one stone" (Docs Project is also using Zikula) and "upstream is awesome" (Zikula devs are very responsive to the needs of Docs, and will be responsive to the needs of Marketing) We're leaving the subject open until next meeting unless there is a major blocker that isn't solved by that time. 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URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 15 08:48:43 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:48:43 +0100 Subject: foobar platform pre-decision In-Reply-To: <20090715043728.GB10282@deathray.ianweller.org> References: <20090715043728.GB10282@deathray.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0907150148u11d77534lc8f755dae8a6de6d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/15 Ian Weller : > At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the > Foobar project, mostly under the reasoning of "kill two birds with one > stone" (Docs Project is also using Zikula) and "upstream is awesome" > (Zikula devs are very responsive to the needs of Docs, and will be > responsive to the needs of Marketing) HUGE +1 on this from me... all my experiences with news.fp.o suggest that working with other teams on a project like this is a must. The work to ensure that an application is acceptable to infra, e.g. safe and packaged etc, is not insignificant, neither is making sure that it is all configured to meet requirements. Basically, the more the merrier :) Jon > > We're leaving the subject open until next meeting unless there is a > major blocker that isn't solved by that time. Flame away! > > -- > Ian Weller > GnuPG fingerprint: ?E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 ?B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 15 08:51:43 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:51:43 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0907150151n7449eb8awe2b9f3cbef068865@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/14 Martin Duffy : > Hi everyone! > > My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin > works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source > software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school > about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm > volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day > job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, > blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), Hey, and welcome :) As someone who has copy writing experience, you might be interested in helping out with the production of a glossy "one page" release note. You can find out more in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00056.html Of course, if that doesn't take your fancy, keep an eye on the list and meetings, and I'm sure something you want to help up with will pop up soon :) Best, Jon From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Jul 15 08:53:49 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:53:49 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy In-Reply-To: <4A5CFCED.6080609@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A5CFCED.6080609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A5D991D.4020702@axianet.ch> On 07/14/2009 11:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/15/2009 03:14 AM, Martin Duffy wrote: >> Hi everyone! >> >> My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin >> works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source >> software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school >> about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm >> volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day >> job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, >> blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever >> else I can (or can learn) to do! > > Welcome to Fedora marketing. At a glance I was wondering why Mo was > introducing herself again after all this time. Apparently more of the > family is getting involved now. Nice. > > Rahul Damn, I was confused too at the beginning :) Welcome! Steven From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Jul 15 09:06:31 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:06:31 +0200 Subject: Wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A59BE88.8080204@gmx.de> References: <4A583EA2.9070308@axianet.ch> <4A59BE88.8080204@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4A5D9C17.9060803@axianet.ch> Hello, On 07/12/2009 12:44 PM, wonderer wrote: > Hy, >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks: I'd like to archive >> this page, in the new cycle we have simply added a "current tasks" >> table to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule which >> serves the same purpose. I have transferred all the tasks which are >> still alive from the old page to the new one, but please have a look >> and tweak it as you like. > Is it possible to diferentiate those a bit mor structureable? maybe let > the "Frontpage" Marketing_tasks and then diferentiate to past , actual > and future tasks. Also I think there will be allways ongoing tasts that > could stay on the Marketing_tasts page... I changed the title on the F12 schedule page, it should be clearer now. This "General tasks not tied to a particular Fedora release cycle" will be ported to every new cycle by me when I cycle the pages. The old page really didn't work simply because nobody clicked on the link, thus nobody worked on the tasks. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups : does this page still >> make sense? Archive? > -1 ! > Linux User Groups all around the world are (in my opinion) most of the > community based structures outside Fedora itself. They have a lot of > potential and even if there are strictly a marketing issue it can be one > part of it... I was just looking at this page, which hasn't been updated in ages. So I'm not sure it is even useful. Note that it isn't really a marketing page, it's just linked from our section. I'll leave it alone. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump : does this page >> still make sense? It looks like we are using the mailinglist for that... > Hmm, i think sometimes a mailinglist is good, sometimes a wiki. That > depends on the task... Anyone else has comments on this one? I'm already going to archive these pages for now: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_surveys Thanks Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 15 09:08:14 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:38:14 +0530 Subject: Wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: <4A5D9C17.9060803@axianet.ch> References: <4A583EA2.9070308@axianet.ch> <4A59BE88.8080204@gmx.de> <4A5D9C17.9060803@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A5D9C7E.3020709@fedoraproject.org> On 07/15/2009 02:36 PM, Steven Moix wrote: > Anyone else has comments on this one? > > I'm already going to archive these pages for now: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_surveys Should archive http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books unless there is interest in keeping it up2date. Remove the reference from communicate wiki page if you are going to archive it. Rahul From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Jul 15 14:12:04 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:12:04 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Berlin blog Message-ID: <4A5DE3B4.8080106@redhat.com> Hello all, A blog recapping FUDCon Berlin posted this morning on Red Hat's news blog: http://press.redhat.com/2009/07/15/fudcon-berlin-provides-venue-for-security-wireless-collaboration/ Thanks, Kara From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 15 13:28:08 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:28:08 -0400 Subject: foobar platform pre-decision In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907150148u11d77534lc8f755dae8a6de6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090715043728.GB10282@deathray.ianweller.org> <507738ef0907150148u11d77534lc8f755dae8a6de6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5DD968.7060001@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2009/7/15 Ian Weller : >> At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the >> Foobar project > HUGE +1 on this from me... And me - it sounds like this isn't just killing N birds with one stone - it sounds like the Zikula effort already *has* huge, rapidly-moving, heat-tracking, dead-accurate stones with frickin' laser beams strapped to 'em, and is motioning at the flock of birds above and saying "...just point to the birds you want. Yes. Any bird..." as the stones slice through the flock as upstream whistles directions, dropping quails into the open bags of the other Fedora teams... Er. Well, maybe that's a bit much. But +1 from me on Zikula as well. --Mel From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 15 19:00:15 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:00:15 -0400 Subject: foobar platform pre-decision Message-ID: <1247684415.4189.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: M?ir?n Duffy > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Subject: Re: foobar platform pre-decision > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:16:03 -0400 > > On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 09:28 -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > 2009/7/15 Ian Weller : > > >> At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the > > >> Foobar project > > > > > HUGE +1 on this from me... > > > > And me - it sounds like this isn't just killing N birds with one stone - > > it sounds like the Zikula effort already *has* huge, rapidly-moving, > > heat-tracking, dead-accurate stones with frickin' laser beams strapped > > to 'em, and is motioning at the flock of birds above and saying "...just > > point to the birds you want. Yes. Any bird..." as the stones slice > > through the flock as upstream whistles directions, dropping quails into > > the open bags of the other Fedora teams... > > One question, does Zikula have podcasting plugins? > > ~m From david at gnsa.us Wed Jul 15 19:07:34 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:07:34 -0400 Subject: foobar platform pre-decision In-Reply-To: <1247684415.4189.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247684415.4189.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/7/15 M?ir?n Duffy : > -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> From: M?ir?n Duffy >> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >> >> Subject: Re: foobar platform pre-decision >> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:16:03 -0400 >> >> On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 09:28 -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >> > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> > > 2009/7/15 Ian Weller : >> > >> At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the >> > >> Foobar project >> > >> > > HUGE +1 on this from me... >> > >> > And me - it sounds like this isn't just killing N birds with one stone - >> > it sounds like the Zikula effort already *has* huge, rapidly-moving, >> > heat-tracking, dead-accurate stones with frickin' laser beams strapped >> > to 'em, and is motioning at the flock of birds above and saying "...just >> > point to the birds you want. Yes. Any bird..." as the stones slice >> > through the flock as upstream whistles directions, dropping quails into >> > the open bags of the other Fedora teams... >> >> One question, does Zikula have podcasting plugins? >> >> ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Yes - it's media-attach or media-share, and docs already has packaging underway. (don't recall if it has been approved or not) There's also a module built around vodcasting with HTML5 stuff IIRC. From andycuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 03:46:36 2009 From: andycuga at gmail.com (Andrew Cuga) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:46:36 -0400 Subject: New member to the group Message-ID: <50f2d9bf0907152046v6a8e1179xac22861f359401cc@mail.gmail.com> Hey, All! I'm a big fan of FOSS and have been looking for some communities to get involved in. Since the past few months I've been becoming enraptured with Fedora and wanted to become a contributing member. I'm a Java engineer, having specialized in web application development for the past few years. I currently work for Booz Allen Hamilton in the Washington DC metro area. I've started my Wiki profile ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Theandruu) but there's not much other than the basics at the moment. As I said, I'm looking for ways to become more active, so I heartily welcome suggestions. Some of the things I hope to get out of this is to meet other people in the community, to learn more skills / become expert in them, to help expand the project's client base, and maybe even contribute some code. Best wishes, Andrew Cuga -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 15:28:17 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:28:17 -0400 Subject: New member to the group In-Reply-To: <50f2d9bf0907152046v6a8e1179xac22861f359401cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <50f2d9bf0907152046v6a8e1179xac22861f359401cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090716152817.GM8801@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:46:36PM -0400, Andrew Cuga wrote: > Hey, All! > > I'm a big fan of FOSS and have been looking for some communities to get > involved in. Since the past few months I've been becoming enraptured with > Fedora and wanted to become a contributing member. > > I'm a Java engineer, having specialized in web application development for the > past few years. I currently work for Booz Allen Hamilton in the Washington DC > metro area. I've started my Wiki profile (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ > User:Theandruu) but there's not much other than the basics at the moment. > > As I said, I'm looking for ways to become more active, so I heartily welcome > suggestions. Some of the things I hope to get out of this is to meet other > people in the community, to learn more skills / become expert in them, to help > expand the project's client base, and maybe even contribute some code. Ah, my neck of the woods, kinda! Welcome Andrew -- we have a number of current tasks listed here on the schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule If you see something that looks interesting, speak up and we can then hook you up with the person running that task to see how you can help. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Fri Jul 17 15:58:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:58:46 -0400 Subject: New member to the group In-Reply-To: <20090716152817.GM8801@localhost.localdomain> References: <50f2d9bf0907152046v6a8e1179xac22861f359401cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090716152817.GM8801@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A609FB6.8030209@redhat.com> >> I'm a Java engineer, having specialized in web application development for the >> past few years. I currently work for Booz Allen Hamilton in the Washington DC >> metro area. I've started my Wiki profile (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ >> User:Theandruu) but there's not much other than the basics at the moment. Welcome, Andrew! It's likely that I'll be in the Washington DC area this coming fall, so we should get together sometime if that happens. If you look at... > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule ...you'll see a lot of references to a project called FooBar. That's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar (yes, the name is temporary). Once we choose a platform, we're going to need a lot of help from people who can bridge a bunch of different areas - technical, content, marketing-strategy, coordinating-with-other-teams-within-Fedora-working-on-similar-projects - to get this smoothly running by the time F12 is released. If you take a look at the FooBar wiki page and it sounds interesting, holler and we'll hook you up with that. (If you see JonRob or ianweller on IRC, ask them about FooBar as well.) --Mel From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 20 12:21:24 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:21:24 +0100 Subject: foobar name Message-ID: <507738ef0907200521w539c7b97lcf4ee31c6f7a6340@mail.gmail.com> My decision on the name, barring objections from News team, for the name would be Fedora Insight, based on the feedback on the wiki page -- I particularly like Ian's suggestion of a fi ligature of some kind as the logo... I've still to get any solid feedback from the news team, but Pascal has said he will attend tomorrow evening's meeting to discuss News' requirements. Perhaps even if we use the Fedora Insight name, it might be good to keep Weekly News' model and name as a title for a weekly feature - I guess that's all for discussion tomorrow evening. Cheers, Jon From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 18:08:49 2009 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:49 +0200 Subject: Open Source Activity Map (for Red Hat marketing) Message-ID: <64b14b300907201108k6477f897m2a2d276377159d6a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.redhat.com/about/where-is-open-source/activity/ The map that Red Hat produced is really nice, but it is a shame that www.openstreetmap.org maps aren't used and promoted. It is strange to see Red Hat promote Google maps when more open data is available but closed data is used. There is openlayers package in Fedora repositories, and it would be nice to see it used on Red Hat servers and on Open Source Activity page. Cheers. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 20 18:21:47 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:51:47 +0530 Subject: Open Source Activity Map (for Red Hat marketing) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300907201108k6477f897m2a2d276377159d6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300907201108k6477f897m2a2d276377159d6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A64B5BB.1080003@fedoraproject.org> On 07/20/2009 11:38 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/about/where-is-open-source/activity/ > > The map that Red Hat produced is really nice, but it is a shame that > www.openstreetmap.org maps aren't used and promoted. > It is strange to see Red Hat promote Google maps when more open data > is available but closed data is used. > > There is openlayers package in Fedora repositories, and it would be > nice to see it used on Red Hat servers and on Open Source Activity > page. This is neither related to Fedora development or marketing. If you have feedback about Red Hat specific things unrelated to Fedora, please contact Red Hat directly. On the other hand, this is probably work commissioned off to a third party and they would have picked Google Maps. Nevertheless, I agree it would have been better to use openlayers. That is off-topic for these forums though. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 05:42:52 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:42:52 -0400 Subject: Reminder: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meetings Message-ID: <4A65555C.2020605@redhat.com> I'll be chairing for one more week as Jack recovers from jetlag. (Welcome back, Jack!) Meeting channel info and logging instructions have been updated (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings), thanks to Steven Moix for pointing out the needed fix. The fastest way to catch up on last week's meeting, this week's events, and the upcoming meeting's agenda all at the same time is to look at these two sections of the F12 schedule (which I've just updated): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#General_tasks_not_tied_to_a_particular_Fedora_release_cycle https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#The_6_weeks_leading_up_to_Alpha_.282009-07-07_-_2009-08-18.29 You see last week's meeting logs in full at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-14/fedora-meeting.2009-07-14-19.00.log.html. Since we're short on prep time (sorry, my fault!) I'm not going to be sending out individual taskpings like I have before, but these are the people who are listed on the F12 schedule page as having stuff this week, and status as far as I know it - we're going to mention and then skip the stuff marked "Done" unless someone chooses to bring it up in-meeting. * ianweller: choose FooBar platform (Done: zikula) * JonRob: choose FooBar name (Done: Fedora Insight) * mchua: see what we can do to help Fedora Classroom (done, but could be done better) * Sparks: Docs/Marketing 1-pg shiny release notes workflow (unknown status) * poelstra, with spevack: integrate Marketing F12 schedule into main F12 schedule (unknown completion date, unknown status) * moixs: renew the news distribution network (in progress) --Mel From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 08:50:47 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:50:47 +0200 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL Message-ID: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial contribution to the Linux kernel. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.html And if you need a good laugh: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-Device-Drivers-As-GPL The way i see it, is that we can do one or more of several things based on this. Of course we can continue talking about upstream as a path to success, but i'm wondering, being no marketing expert myself, what else can we do with such a message? Is this a message we can try to take around to various different people and push extensively as proof that the system works? Is this even something we can take to mainstream media even though we're so fond of staying out of it for the very minimal real effect we have? Or do we ignore it because it's not Fedora? Cheers, Yaakov From affix at FedoraProject.org Tue Jul 21 09:04:28 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:04:28 +0100 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are microsoft thinking On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > Hey All, > > While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that > we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen > in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial > contribution to the Linux kernel. > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.html > > And if you need a good laugh: > > > http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-Device-Drivers-As-GPL > > The way i see it, is that we can do one or more of several things > based on this. Of course we can continue talking about upstream as a > path to success, but i'm wondering, being no marketing expert myself, > what else can we do with such a message? Is this a message we can try > to take around to various different people and push extensively as > proof that the system works? Is this even something we can take to > mainstream media even though we're so fond of staying out of it for > the very minimal real effect we have? Or do we ignore it because it's > not Fedora? > > Cheers, > Yaakov > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - - http://keiran-smith.net - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 09:18:53 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:18:53 +0100 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6587FD.3030408@gmail.com> On 21/07/09 10:04, Keiran Smith wrote: > Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the > instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are > microsoft thinking > It gives them an excuse to blame OSS, for their A1 code, not to function :D Regards, Frank From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 09:21:52 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:21:52 +0200 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0907210221i3d6f6ce0wb5cea7bc2687f25f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/21 Keiran Smith : > Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the instabilities > of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are microsoft thinking Yes, and they are going to replace the 'halt' command with 'start', so when you type $ sudo start your system shuts down. Seriously, this is not how the GPL works. As long as it remains GPL, then the Linux devs can do their own fine job bringing instabilities to the kernel, like they've been doing for years. Somehow, i don't think that's really going to happen though. -Yaakov > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Yaakov Nemoy > wrote: >> >> Hey All, >> >> While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that >> we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen >> in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial >> contribution to the Linux kernel. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html >> >> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.html >> >> And if you need a good laugh: >> >> >> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-Device-Drivers-As-GPL >> >> The way i see it, is that we can do one or more of several things >> based on this. Of course we can continue talking about upstream as a >> path to success, but i'm wondering, being no marketing expert myself, >> what else can we do with such a message? Is this a message we can try >> to take around to various different people and push extensively as >> proof that the system works? Is this even something we can take to >> mainstream media even though we're so fond of staying out of it for >> the very minimal real effect we have? Or do we ignore it because it's >> not Fedora? >> >> Cheers, >> Yaakov >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > - http://keiran-smith.net > - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 21 09:25:14 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:25:14 +0300 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: > Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the > instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are > microsoft thinking I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a virtualized Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you already have bigger problems :p I am quite pleased by the Microsoft announcement, from now on when an MS astroturfer will try to throw FUD at me about Linux being inferior security and quality wise compared with Microsoft solutions I can smile and point Microsoft *is* a contributor to the Linux kernel. The same about GPL: after releasing code under GPL, it would be really embarrassing for Microsoft to call again it as being "communist", "cancer" or "Pac-Man". > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > > While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that > we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen > in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial > contribution to the Linux kernel. > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From mohaas05 at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 21 12:48:33 2009 From: mohaas05 at fedoraproject.org (Kamin Horvath) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:48:33 -0400 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <12edf1c30907210548k474b15f2vfff72f067d6e4962@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a great contribution by Microsoft, and shows that maybe they are willing to cooperate with the open source community. But I am a little worried, as there is always the chance that this could be the groundwork of their infamous "embrace, extend, extinguish" policy. But hopefully, it will be a genuine contribution and in the future we can look foward to further contributions and cooperation with Microsoft. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: > >> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >> microsoft thinking >> > > I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a > virtualized Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, > probably you already have bigger problems :p > > I am quite pleased by the Microsoft announcement, from now on when an MS > astroturfer will try to throw FUD at me about Linux being inferior security > and quality wise compared with Microsoft solutions I can smile and point > Microsoft *is* a contributor to the Linux kernel. > > The same about GPL: after releasing code under GPL, it would be really > embarrassing for Microsoft to call again it as being "communist", "cancer" > or "Pac-Man". > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: >> >> While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that >> we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen >> in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial >> contribution to the Linux kernel. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx >> > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mohaas05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 12:51:57 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:51:57 -0400 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090721125157.GI1753@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:25:14PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: >> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >> microsoft thinking > > I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a > virtualized Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, > probably you already have bigger problems :p > > I am quite pleased by the Microsoft announcement, from now on when an MS > astroturfer will try to throw FUD at me about Linux being inferior > security and quality wise compared with Microsoft solutions I can smile > and point Microsoft *is* a contributor to the Linux kernel. > > The same about GPL: after releasing code under GPL, it would be really > embarrassing for Microsoft to call again it as being "communist", > "cancer" or "Pac-Man". I think it's quite simple for Microsoft to say, "We still don't like the GPL, but because these drivers will help our customers, and because this license is required to get them in the kernel, we've done it." Certainly there are places in Microsoft that are open to thinking constructively about open source and how it fits into their business and customer engagements. But I think trying to cast it as a philosophical sea change is wishful thinking. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From kwizart at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 14:05:26 2009 From: kwizart at gmail.com (Nicolas Chauvet) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:05:26 +0200 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: 2009/7/21 Nicu Buculei : > On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: >> >> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >> microsoft thinking > > I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a virtualized > Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you > already have bigger problems :p And that could be a problem for us, since the opposite (Windows on top of linux) isn't that equivalent. That's because of the hardware coverrage isn't the same. (3D graphics / raid drivers / others). One could say, it will be easier for Linux to live on top of windows. That way drivers could remains closed sources and linux not a real OS anymore, just providing few services on top of the real OS. While the European Union is presuring to remove out IE from the next windows bundle, /me think it would have been more valuable to only keep the very basic hardware support layers from the OS, so everything else could have been optional. At least I can see one way to have the announcement turn into our favour. It would be to have it compared with other opensourcing announcement such the AMD/ATI one. Even if the reasons behind have nothing to be compared, it could present theses as a success story for the free software development scheme. That should have be directed to end-users asking them to keep presuring on hardware vendosr for free software solutions over proprietary ones. Nicolas (kwizart) From affix at ihack.co.uk Tue Jul 21 15:22:13 2009 From: affix at ihack.co.uk (Affix) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:22:13 +0100 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > 2009/7/21 Nicu Buculei : >> On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: >>> >>> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >>> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >>> microsoft thinking >> >> I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a virtualized >> Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you >> already have bigger problems :p > And that could be a problem for us, since the opposite (Windows on top > of linux) isn't that equivalent. > That's ?because of the hardware coverrage isn't the same. (3D graphics > / raid drivers / others). > > One could say, it will be easier for Linux to live on top of windows. > That way drivers could remains closed sources and linux not a real OS > anymore, just providing few services on top of the real OS. > > While the European Union is presuring to remove out IE from the next > windows bundle, /me think it would have been more valuable to only > keep the very basic hardware support layers from the OS, so everything > else could have been optional. > > At least I can see one way to have the announcement turn into our > favour. It would be to have it compared with other opensourcing > announcement such the AMD/ATI one. Even if the reasons behind have > nothing to be compared, it could present theses as a success story for > the free software development scheme. > That should have be directed to end-users asking them to keep > presuring on hardware vendosr for free software solutions over > proprietary ones. > > Nicolas (kwizart) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - - http://keiran-smith.net - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 16:00:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:00:13 -0400 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20090721160013.GK3545@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 04:22:13PM +0100, Affix wrote: > With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a > unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix > based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. I don't think it means that at all. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From cfikes at fikesmedia.com Tue Jul 21 16:02:36 2009 From: cfikes at fikesmedia.com (Christopher Fikes) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:02:36 +0000 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <20090721160013.GK3545@localhost.localdomain> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com><4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro><20090721160013.GK3545@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1888933310-1248192135-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-71424155-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I agree. Microsoft has too much invested with the current kernel, besides, they dropped their own alternative kernel "midori". Christopher Fikes cfikes at fikesmedia.com 409.291.4225 (VoiceMail) Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Paul W. Frields" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:00:13 To: Subject: Re: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 04:22:13PM +0100, Affix wrote: > With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a > unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix > based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. I don't think it means that at all. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From herson at azneita.org Tue Jul 21 16:21:42 2009 From: herson at azneita.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:21:42 +0800 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > Hey All, > > While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that > we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen > in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial > contribution to the Linux kernel. > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.html > > And if you need a good laugh: > > > http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-Device-Drivers-As-GPL > > The way i see it, is that we can do one or more of several things > based on this. Of course we can continue talking about upstream as a > path to success, but i'm wondering, being no marketing expert myself, > what else can we do with such a message? Is this a message we can try > to take around to various different people and push extensively as > proof that the system works? I'm personally happy that Microsoft contributed code to the kernel. This just goes on to show that Open Source is worth the effort even for proprietary shops. > Is this even something we can take to > mainstream media even though we're so fond of staying out of it for > the very minimal real effect we have? > Or do we ignore it because it's not Fedora? > > Cheers, > Yaakov > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://www.azneita.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > I think it's quite simple for Microsoft to say, "We still don't like > the GPL, but because these drivers will help our customers, and > because this license is required to get them in the kernel, we've done > it." ?Certainly there are places in Microsoft that are open to > thinking constructively about open source and how it fits into their > business and customer engagements. ?But I think trying to cast it as a > philosophical sea change is wishful thinking. That's my thinking as well. Virtualization is the big buzzword these days and MS obviously wants a piece of that pie. They've correctly realized that people will want to run Linux guests on their hypervisor and probably found that they didn't get the same performance from Linux VMs that other hypervisors do. Solution, write some drivers to fix the performance issues with emulated hardware and get them into Linux. I honestly think its as simple as that. No evil master plan, or benevolent change of heart. Just plain pragmatism. What I do find interesting is that they seem to be going about things properly. By getting their drivers accepted into the upstream kernel they've avoided the huge maintenance burden incurred by maintaining closed source kernel modules for every platform they need to support. This way they'll know that every distro coming out after the drivers are merged upstream should work properly. nVidia, Broadcom etc. should probably take some notes. Would this be a message we could work with from this announcement? Russell From mohaas05 at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 21 16:59:10 2009 From: mohaas05 at fedoraproject.org (Kamin Horvath) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:59:10 -0400 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <12edf1c30907210959q7e7ffafeqb5a98ebc34ef01af@mail.gmail.com> I don't see that happening. Switching from the NT kernel to a *nix kernel would break compatibility with all existing windows applications. That's why the goal here is in virtualization. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Affix wrote: > With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a > unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix > based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. > > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > 2009/7/21 Nicu Buculei : > >> On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: > >>> > >>> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the > >>> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are > >>> microsoft thinking > >> > >> I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a > virtualized > >> Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you > >> already have bigger problems :p > > And that could be a problem for us, since the opposite (Windows on top > > of linux) isn't that equivalent. > > That's because of the hardware coverrage isn't the same. (3D graphics > > / raid drivers / others). > > > > One could say, it will be easier for Linux to live on top of windows. > > That way drivers could remains closed sources and linux not a real OS > > anymore, just providing few services on top of the real OS. > > > > While the European Union is presuring to remove out IE from the next > > windows bundle, /me think it would have been more valuable to only > > keep the very basic hardware support layers from the OS, so everything > > else could have been optional. > > > > At least I can see one way to have the announcement turn into our > > favour. It would be to have it compared with other opensourcing > > announcement such the AMD/ATI one. Even if the reasons behind have > > nothing to be compared, it could present theses as a success story for > > the free software development scheme. > > That should have be directed to end-users asking them to keep > > presuring on hardware vendosr for free software solutions over > > proprietary ones. > > > > Nicolas (kwizart) > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > - http://keiran-smith.net > - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mohaas05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 18:21:45 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:21:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review Message-ID: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> Hi Marketing People, I recently came across https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule . I would like to add all the good information you have there to the master Fedora schedule we have for all the teams. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ To do this we also need to add real dates for all of the TBD items, etc. The advantage of this approach is that you won't have to recreate a new wiki page for each release and new schedules can be generated automatically. We can also create iCal versions of the schedule for importing to online calendars. To accomplish all this we've found it works best to use use Gobby and FedoraTalk to discuss and clarify everything in real time. Other methods can work, but I have yet to see them work in a reasonably efficient way. I've set up a calendar http://whenisgood.net/marketing Please indicate the times you are available and add your name. Once we get enough responses I'll send out another email with the time to meet. I'd like to meet w/in the next week. Thanks, John From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 20:44:20 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0400 Subject: Slogan task for schedule Message-ID: <20090721204420.GA3545@localhost.localdomain> Jack et al., In putting together the Design schedule, Mo Duffy, John Poelstra, and I identified a marketing task that needs to be included. I'm dropping the note here so you can add the dates in all the appopriate places. F12 release slogan: 2009-08-27 -- open the call for suggestions 2009-09-17 -- final slogan is ready for websites/design The process we used in F11 seemed to work well, and that should occur in between those dates. Any required intermediate deadlines can be set by the Marketing team but should also be included in the schedule. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 21:29:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:29:42 -0400 Subject: Talking Points Message-ID: <20090721212942.GB3545@localhost.localdomain> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_talking_points This page is going to be the landing place for our talking points, which Max summarized so well in today's Marketing meeting. They're also somewhat explained on this page. I would suggest we start by looking at the current feature list, and finding changes that are going to be of interest to consumers of the Fedora distribution: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList Things that jump out at me at a first cut as features around which we can build compelling stories. This is just my list -- so please look at the full feature list and ask yourself if there's something further that has widespread appeal, preferably involving Fedora community members' upstream contributions, that are immensely cool. For Joe User: * ABRT - easy bug filing for n00bs * Better Webcam support - SSIA * Mobile broadband enhancements to NetworkManager - SSIA * PackageKit command-not-found plugin - will install packages based on a terminal command if it's missing For Joe Admin: * libguestfs - allows direct tinkering with guest disk image files * LOTS of other KVM improvements - NIC hotplug, virtual disk image performance, etc. -- see individual pages -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 22:10:47 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:10:47 -0400 Subject: Meeting notes 2009-07-21 Message-ID: <4A663CE7.4020901@redhat.com> Awesome meeting, everyone - thanks to all who attended and a big welcome back to Jack, who'll be stepping back in to pick up on things as soon as I hit the send button on this email. Thanks for tolerating my three weeks of learning on the job, folks. You are awesome. --Mel Updated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule Logs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#2009 Notes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-21/fedora-meeting.2009-07-21-20.02.html Action Items, by person (aka mchua loves meetbot): 1. ianweller 1. ianweller to ping design list for help with FI 2. ianweller to eat this banana 3. stickster and ianweller to continue watching logistics/docs zikula discussion, push Marketing specs/reqs up as needed 4. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 2. JonRob 1. JonRob to make workflow/content plan 2. JonRob and pcalarco to meet and discuss News workflow for FI 3. mchua 1. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 2. mchua find out if SeanDaly wants to teach a Classroom class on marketing 3. mchua to take spevack's eloquence and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints and redirect [[Talking Points]] to that 4. moixs 1. moixs to report back on news distribution network next week 5. pcalarco 1. JonRob and pcalarco to meet and discuss News workflow for FI 6. spevack 1. mchua to take spevack's eloquence and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints and redirect [[Talking Points]] to that 7. stickster 1. stickster and ianweller to continue watching logistics/docs zikula discussion, push Marketing specs/reqs up as needed 2. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 3. stickster kicking off a T-minus-1-week "What's looking cool" thread 8. themayor 1. themayor to schedule F12 schedule sync-up with poelcat and others who should attend 2. themayor to report on Alpha Readiness Meeting prep next week 3. themayor to report back on Publications List progress From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 22:13:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:13:24 -0400 Subject: Slogan task for schedule In-Reply-To: <20090721204420.GA3545@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090721204420.GA3545@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A663D84.4090500@redhat.com> > F12 release slogan: > 2009-08-27 -- open the call for suggestions > 2009-09-17 -- final slogan is ready for websites/design Updated on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 21 22:26:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:26:14 -0400 Subject: [[Talking points]] updated Message-ID: <4A664086.9070207@redhat.com> A little wiki cleanup I said I'd do, for those who (like me a few hours ago) are confused about this "Talking Points" thing. [[Talking points]], [[TalkingPoints]], and [[Talking Points]] all redirect to the refurbished https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints which contains Max's description from today's meeting, and an (incomplete) list of past talking points. Yay docs! Sanity check from someone who's been around since F6 or so would be good. That page is old; it had F9 stuff on it. --Mel From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jul 22 00:22:33 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: Meeting notes 2009-07-21 In-Reply-To: <4A663CE7.4020901@redhat.com> References: <4A663CE7.4020901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090722002233.GB2810@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 06:10:47PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > 2. ianweller to eat this banana I was seriously under the impression that only mchua could create action items. :) -- Ian Weller "Why, a four-year-old could understand this report. Find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head or tail out of it." -- Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 09:44:06 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:44:06 +0200 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL [OFF TOPIC] Message-ID: <7f692fec0907220244n56e166ffn2b9ac19368161b7a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/21 Kamin Horvath : > I don't see that happening. Switching from the NT kernel to a *nix kernel > would break compatibility with all existing windows applications. That's why > the goal here is in virtualization. We're getting off topic, but here we go. The NT kernel is one of those fabled microkernels that everyone who isn't Tannenbaum loves to hate. There's a single service that runs on top of the NT bits that provide all the functionality in windows. FWIW, the NT kernel is a very well designed stable, and fast kernel, which is the pay off of microsoft using some of its billions to hire some of the best engineering out there. Considering that drivers tend to run in the space above the NT kernel, the stability issues that Windows is known for suffering are technically user space issues, which is where windows comes no where near the quality of many other OSes. That said, Microsoft could switch kernels all they want, provided they havea run time system that provides certain user space and 'kernel' functionality to windows programs. They could also virtualize an older stripped down version of windows using one of the many fine VT technologies out there on top of a *nix kenel (or any other kernel for that matter). There has even been research into providing modules in the Linux Kernel to provide the same process management features that Windows provides in order to run windows programs natively on top of Linux. Finally, last i checked, MS still hires a number of very bright developers, and if they wanted to, they could switch their kernels any time they wanted. They were originally planning on doing just about the same work in Midori. But yes, you're right, the goal here is virtualization. It has nothing to do with MS and the GPL, just that their GPL contribution is a set of drivers for Virtualization. -Yaakov > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Affix wrote: >> >> With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a >> unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix >> based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: >> > 2009/7/21 Nicu Buculei : >> >> On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >> >>> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >> >>> microsoft thinking >> >> >> >> I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a >> >> virtualized >> >> Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you >> >> already have bigger problems :p >> > And that could be a problem for us, since the opposite (Windows on top >> > of linux) isn't that equivalent. >> > That's ?because of the hardware coverrage isn't the same. (3D graphics >> > / raid drivers / others). >> > >> > One could say, it will be easier for Linux to live on top of windows. >> > That way drivers could remains closed sources and linux not a real OS >> > anymore, just providing few services on top of the real OS. >> > >> > While the European Union is presuring to remove out IE from the next >> > windows bundle, /me think it would have been more valuable to only >> > keep the very basic hardware support layers from the OS, so everything >> > else could have been optional. >> > >> > At least I can see one way to have the announcement turn into our >> > favour. It would be to have it compared with other opensourcing >> > announcement such the AMD/ATI one. Even if the reasons behind have >> > nothing to be compared, it could present theses as a success story for >> > the free software development scheme. >> > That should have be directed to end-users asking them to keep >> > presuring on hardware vendosr for free software solutions over >> > proprietary ones. >> > >> > Nicolas (kwizart) >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> -- >> Keiran Smith >> - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - >> - Free Software Foundation Associate - >> - http://keiran-smith.net >> - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mohaas05 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 11:59:29 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:59:29 -0400 Subject: Slogan task for schedule In-Reply-To: <4A663D84.4090500@redhat.com> References: <20090721204420.GA3545@localhost.localdomain> <4A663D84.4090500@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090722115929.GF21921@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 06:13:24PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >> F12 release slogan: >> 2009-08-27 -- open the call for suggestions >> 2009-09-17 -- final slogan is ready for websites/design > > Updated on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. Thank you Mel! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sherry151 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 17:21:25 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:51:25 +0530 Subject: Joining Marketting team Message-ID: Hi This is Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury. I am a Fedora user for a long time and a contributor for some time now. I am a member of the Ambassadors team and also Package Maintainer team. I am glad to join the marketing team and work towards spreading Fedora more and more. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sherry151 -- Regards Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry151 at gmail.com Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 22 18:08:59 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:08:59 -0400 Subject: Joining Marketting team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6755BB.1070000@redhat.com> > This is Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury. I am a Fedora user for a long time > and a contributor for some time now. I am a member of the Ambassadors > team and also Package Maintainer team. I am glad to join the marketing > team and work towards spreading Fedora more and more. Welcome, Rangeen! (Wow, we seem to be getting lots of new people this month...) As a fellow hardware geek (I studied electrical engineering in school and wish I'd known about FEL back then) I'm particularly glad to see someone spreading the good news in universities. :) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 22 18:15:04 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:15:04 -0400 Subject: Welcome, fellow new people! Message-ID: <4A675728.20409@redhat.com> (wherein Mel reveals a soft spot for new contributors, having been through the "whoa! everything is new and confusing!" stuff not all that long ago - almost exactly two months, actually. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-May/msg00236.html.) We've got a lot of new people this month. Welcome to... * Ely (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00006.html) * Rob (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00027.html) * Martin (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00079.html) * Andrew (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00096.html) * Rangeen (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00126.html) New folks: can you make it to our next marketing meeting (on IRC)? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings - if you can show up 15 minutes early, or stay 15 minutes afterwards, I'm sure folks would be glad to talk with you about how you might be best able to jump in. (I'll be there, anyway. I want some help with all the stuff I'm working on ;) Honestly, it's all about doing what *you* want to do - but sometimes figuring out what you want to do is hard when you're new to a project. And it's sometimes nice to be able to pick up on something small and specific while you're learning what is out there or could be out there. So we should try to find nice on-ramp projects. For instance: * Rangeen, I saw you work on FEL - does FEL need marketing? * Martin, you're volunteering for the Red Cross, which is *ridiculously* good at marketing and also managing volunteers - what practices have you seen there that we should do in here? * Rob, you're going to LUGradio: what can we do with radio? I know there have been podcast interviews for Fedora in the past, is that something you'd be interested in helping with? * Ely, you're studying in Brazil, which I hear has some *AWESOME* Ambassadors stuff going on that... for instance, since I only read English fluently right now, I have no idea what is going on there, and I think a lot of others here may be in the same situation. Can you think of some way the English speaking community and the Latin American community can stay in touch better? * Andrew, you wanted to help with Fedora Insight, so we should... talk. Are you on IRC? I am mchua in #fedora-marketing. In other news, people working on stuff who can throw concrete "please help!" statements out there, the list of names above are the people you should be talking with. --Mel From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 22 18:32:06 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:32:06 +0100 Subject: Please Help: Voice Wanted! Message-ID: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> In response to Mel's awesome e-mail, if anybody is interested in helping me with some podcast interviews, particularly anyone who isn't so shy about hearing their own voice, then get in touch. I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish If anyone is interested in doing any of these, particularly c) and d) (I'll probably keep a) and e) for myself, would probably just get messy with more than one person doing those!), I would be very grateful :) Cheers, Jon From cfikes at fikesmedia.com Wed Jul 22 18:34:28 2009 From: cfikes at fikesmedia.com (Christopher Fikes) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:34:28 +0000 Subject: Please Help: Voice Wanted! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1669655059-1248287643-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-298289157-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I would love to help. I already have studio equip, and plenty of time to assist anything. Christopher Christopher Fikes cfikes at fikesmedia.com 409.291.4225 (VoiceMail) Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Roberts Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:32:06 To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Please Help: Voice Wanted! In response to Mel's awesome e-mail, if anybody is interested in helping me with some podcast interviews, particularly anyone who isn't so shy about hearing their own voice, then get in touch. I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish If anyone is interested in doing any of these, particularly c) and d) (I'll probably keep a) and e) for myself, would probably just get messy with more than one person doing those!), I would be very grateful :) Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 22 18:38:15 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:08:15 -0430 Subject: Please Help: Voice Wanted! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0907221138h2a0a4d68mf1d811410202619a@mail.gmail.com> o/ what can I do!?!!?!?! I only have my laptop microphone but I have some interviews recorded; this is the link to one of them (spanish) http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/varios/flisol2009-2.mp3 2009/7/22 Jonathan Roberts : > In response to Mel's awesome e-mail, if anybody is interested in > helping me with some podcast interviews, particularly anyone who isn't > so shy about hearing their own voice, then get in touch. > > I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, > working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps > for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put > together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish > > If anyone is interested in doing any of these, particularly c) and d) > (I'll probably keep a) and e) for myself, would probably just get > messy with more than one person doing those!), I would be very > grateful :) > > Cheers, > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 22 19:11:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:11:35 -0400 Subject: Please Help: Voice Wanted! In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0907221138h2a0a4d68mf1d811410202619a@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0907221132p68d79886w487b7bf6b93d7008@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0907221138h2a0a4d68mf1d811410202619a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A676467.7040106@redhat.com> >> I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, >> working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps >> for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put >> together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish This may be less immediately useful, but as someone with severe hearing loss, I *really* appreciate transcriptions and try to make it as easy as possible for others to provide them, so to minimize the work for (d), good tools help. Obviously I'm pretty useless at transcribing audio files myself, but I've heard that others find Transcriber useful: http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/features.php (There are other software packages like http://www.nch.com.au/scribe/ that will run on Linux, but they're not open-source.) I'm checking right now to see if transcriber is in Fedora. If it isn't, I've got me a packaging project. :) In general, if there is ever anything I can do to make things that will make it easier for people to transcribe things like these interviews/podcasts, please let me know! --Mel "accessibility is win!" Chua From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 22 20:31:08 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:31:08 -0400 Subject: Welcome, fellow new people! In-Reply-To: <4A675728.20409@redhat.com> References: <4A675728.20409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A67770C.1040809@redhat.com> > * Andrew, you wanted to help with Fedora Insight, so we should... talk. > Are you on IRC? I am mchua in #fedora-marketing. Whoops. I meant to say #fedora-mktg. Thanks to Bob Jensen for the catch. From amrossi at linux.it Thu Jul 23 12:00:13 2009 From: amrossi at linux.it (Andrea Modesto Rossi) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:00:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37732.91.193.45.7.1248350413.squirrel@picard.linux.it> On Mar, 21 Luglio 2009 11:04 am, Keiran Smith wrote: > Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the > instabilities > of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are microsoft thinking > This is Microsoft: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/ -- Andrea Modesto Rossi Fedora Ambassador From irashadul at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 12:36:17 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:36:17 -0400 Subject: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL In-Reply-To: <20090721125157.GI1753@localhost.localdomain> References: <7f692fec0907210150p10bbcd73k9845090c6cc2c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4A65897A.2070802@nicubunu.ro> <20090721125157.GI1753@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <17fa59580907230536w180169bfgcaee6a852f0946a0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:25:14PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: > >> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the > >> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are > >> microsoft thinking > > > > I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a > > virtualized Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, > > probably you already have bigger problems :p > > > > I am quite pleased by the Microsoft announcement, from now on when an MS > > astroturfer will try to throw FUD at me about Linux being inferior > > security and quality wise compared with Microsoft solutions I can smile > > and point Microsoft *is* a contributor to the Linux kernel. > > > > The same about GPL: after releasing code under GPL, it would be really > > embarrassing for Microsoft to call again it as being "communist", > > "cancer" or "Pac-Man". > > I think it's quite simple for Microsoft to say, "We still don't like > the GPL, but because these drivers will help our customers, and > because this license is required to get them in the kernel, we've done > it." Certainly there are places in Microsoft that are open to > thinking constructively about open source and how it fits into their > business and customer engagements. But I think trying to cast it as a > philosophical sea change is wishful thinking. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Hi all: -what is the best side of this with Fedora and are we supporting this, if yes then why? -More than, does anyone can violate the GPL license rules for their own business? -Why we saying Microsoft as a contributor to the linux kernel while it is already developed by Linux contributor? 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When that happens, Fedora will inherit the new kernel and therefore support this feature. It will help users who choose to run Linux as a guest operating system. > -More than, does anyone can violate the GPL license rules for their own > business? The code being submitted is itself under the GPL and hence there is no violation > -Why we saying Microsoft as a contributor to the linux kernel while it > is already developed by Linux contributor? The code was written entirely by Microsoft. Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jul 23 20:46:17 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review In-Reply-To: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> References: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Poelstra wrote: > Hi Marketing People, > > I recently came across > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule . I would like > to add all the good information you have there to the master Fedora > schedule we have for all the teams. > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ To do this we also > need to add real dates for all of the TBD items, etc. > > The advantage of this approach is that you won't have to recreate a > new wiki page for each release and new schedules can be generated > automatically. We can also create iCal versions of the schedule for > importing to online calendars. > > To accomplish all this we've found it works best to use use Gobby and > FedoraTalk to discuss and clarify everything in real time. Other > methods can work, but I have yet to see them work in a reasonably > efficient way. > > I've set up a calendar http://whenisgood.net/marketing > > Please indicate the times you are available and add your name. Once > we get enough responses I'll send out another email with the time to > meet. I'd like to meet w/in the next week. Mel, would you be kind enough to take charge of making this meeting happen? High priority, since we definitely want to make sure that F12's schedule and Fedora Marketing's schedule are in sync. Thanks, Max From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Jul 23 21:14:56 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:14:56 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review In-Reply-To: References: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A68D2D0.1000105@redhat.com> Max Spevack said the following on 07/23/2009 01:46 PM Pacific Time: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Poelstra wrote: > >> Hi Marketing People, >> >> I recently came across >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule . I would like >> to add all the good information you have there to the master Fedora >> schedule we have for all the teams. >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ To do this we also >> need to add real dates for all of the TBD items, etc. >> >> The advantage of this approach is that you won't have to recreate a >> new wiki page for each release and new schedules can be generated >> automatically. We can also create iCal versions of the schedule for >> importing to online calendars. >> >> To accomplish all this we've found it works best to use use Gobby and >> FedoraTalk to discuss and clarify everything in real time. Other >> methods can work, but I have yet to see them work in a reasonably >> efficient way. >> >> I've set up a calendar http://whenisgood.net/marketing >> >> Please indicate the times you are available and add your name. Once >> we get enough responses I'll send out another email with the time to >> meet. I'd like to meet w/in the next week. > > Mel, would you be kind enough to take charge of making this meeting > happen? High priority, since we definitely want to make sure that F12's > schedule and Fedora Marketing's schedule are in sync. > > Thanks, > Max > I'm tracking the available times for people using http://whenisgood.net/marketing Based on the results so far we are honing in on time on Monday between 17:00 and 21:00 UTC. I'll send something final out in a few hours so get your votes in! John From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:01:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:01:41 -0400 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review In-Reply-To: References: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090723220141.GK3592@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 04:46:17PM -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Poelstra wrote: > >> Hi Marketing People, >> >> I recently came across >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule . I would like >> to add all the good information you have there to the master Fedora >> schedule we have for all the teams. >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ To do this we also >> need to add real dates for all of the TBD items, etc. >> >> The advantage of this approach is that you won't have to recreate a new >> wiki page for each release and new schedules can be generated >> automatically. We can also create iCal versions of the schedule for >> importing to online calendars. >> >> To accomplish all this we've found it works best to use use Gobby and >> FedoraTalk to discuss and clarify everything in real time. Other >> methods can work, but I have yet to see them work in a reasonably >> efficient way. >> >> I've set up a calendar http://whenisgood.net/marketing >> >> Please indicate the times you are available and add your name. Once we >> get enough responses I'll send out another email with the time to meet. >> I'd like to meet w/in the next week. > > Mel, would you be kind enough to take charge of making this meeting > happen? High priority, since we definitely want to make sure that F12's > schedule and Fedora Marketing's schedule are in sync. I'd like to participate too if that suits everyone else. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Jul 24 01:12:18 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:12:18 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Meeting - Monday 2009-07-23 @ 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT) Message-ID: <4A690A72.7050406@redhat.com> It looks like the best time and date is Monday, July 23rd at 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT). At that time please call into FedoraTalk and join conference 2009 (at the prompt enter 2009#). Please also join gobby where I will have a skeleton version of the schedule in text format that we can work with and talk about. See you all then. Thanks, John http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Jul 24 01:13:36 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:13:36 -0700 Subject: (correction) Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Meeting - Monday 2009-07-27 @ 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT) In-Reply-To: <4A690A72.7050406@redhat.com> References: <4A690A72.7050406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A690AC0.5020008@redhat.com> John Poelstra said the following on 07/23/2009 06:12 PM Pacific Time: It looks like the best time and date is Monday, July 27rd at 17:00 UTC > (1 PM EDT). > > At that time please call into FedoraTalk and join conference 2009 (at > the prompt enter 2009#). Please also join gobby where I will have a > skeleton version of the schedule in text format that we can work with > and talk about. > > See you all then. > > Thanks, > John > > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo > From mel at redhat.com Fri Jul 24 23:32:20 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:32:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review In-Reply-To: References: <4A660739.9000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A6A4484.3000305@redhat.com> > Mel, would you be kind enough to take charge of making this meeting > happen? High priority, since we definitely want to make sure that F12's > schedule and Fedora Marketing's schedule are in sync. I'm on it. (Sorry for the belated reply; hectic week hurrah!) Will figure out details in John's other email thread. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 25 00:38:00 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:38:00 -0400 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Meeting - Monday 2009-07-23 @ 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT) In-Reply-To: <4A690A72.7050406@redhat.com> References: <4A690A72.7050406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A6A53E8.4000107@redhat.com> > It looks like the best time and date is Monday, July 23rd at 17:00 UTC > (1 PM EDT). worksforme. I'll have a semi-hard stop at 18:00 UTC, just so you know. I should also give folks planning to call in a heads-up that I'm sometimes a little slow to parse multiple voices on the phone (I'm hearing-impaired and usually rely on lipreading). Not a big deal, just a preemptive explanation of the potentially-higher-than-usual frequency of "could you repeat that, please?" utterances on the line... --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jul 25 12:47:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:47:17 -0400 Subject: old, old, old Fedora Insight notes. Message-ID: <4A6AFED5.3020203@redhat.com> Well, "old" = "about a month, back when it was still called FooBar." I found the notes from the first conversation I heard about FI at (a meeting with Jack, Mo, and Smooge in Westford). Sorry about the belatedness; should have posted them publicly right when I took 'em. If you're curious what we talked about, I did a line-by-line paraphrase in realtime, now posted here (with awful, awful formatting): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Background Here's the initial list of content categories we came up with (JonRob, maybe this is useful as a starting point to talk with News? I think they should ultimately decide the final category list, but that's your call.) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Content_categories And likely to be the most useful part for most people asking "what is FI?" we spent some time going through Planet that morning and triaged blog posts there into "this would go in FooBar" and "this wouldn't go in FooBar". Comments and debate extremely welcome. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Content_examples One thing I plan on doing before the next meeting: wiki cleanup to recategorize, rename, move, redirect, etc. all references to "FooBar" --> "Fedora Insight." (Ian, holler if there's anything else to be done for wiki goodness on this front.) --Mel PS: does anyone else feel the urge to yell "FI!" once in a while? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semper_fi.) Maybe I'm just weird. From ayrton at projetofedora.org Sun Jul 26 05:43:34 2009 From: ayrton at projetofedora.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayrton_Ara=C3=BAjo_?=) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:43:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora Twibbon Campaign In-Reply-To: <20a82c720907252233q60dd9765w66d4993d928d4aaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20a82c720907252233q60dd9765w66d4993d928d4aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20a82c720907252243m7850c157lc0975630cd67df18@mail.gmail.com> In FISL 10 at Brazil, some friends been created a slogan ?We are Fedora!? and did one fool video and I decided make a twibbon with the Fedora Logo [1] with the slogan. [1]http://twibbon.com/join/We-are-Fedora For those who do not know, twibbon is a service that use?s twitter api for plus to your twitter avatar some image for the purpose of disseminate a campaing as end of ie6 or end of microsoft. So, see with own eyes, support ?We are Fedora!? and make, if you want, their own campaigns. Have fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jul 27 23:29:09 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:29:09 -0400 Subject: Jack is Going, Going, Going...Gone! Message-ID: <4A6E3845.2010503@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, I think I told most people that I wanted to tell privately so it's time to tell the list and out myself to the public. August 14th will be my last day at Red Hat and of temporary daily direct involvement in the Fedora project. In 1997 I got my first taste of Linux, Red Hat Linux 4.2, to be exact. It was in the basement lab of the university that I was doing research at during the second half of my freshman year in high school. It was at that point the most fun and challenging thing I had ever done, struggling to get the kernel to work with the crappy Matrox (I think) video card that was the only spare piece of anything in that lab. I aimlessly wandered down that path I had no idea that jumping down the rabbit hole would lead to the 12 most pleasantly wondrous and amazing years of my life. Over the last 12 years this love affair has grown stronger and I have had the unbelievable good fortune to travel the world, see amazing places, explore amazing ideas, meet and work with some of the planet's greatest, smartest and most passionate people and play my part to help turn Linux, Open Source, Red Hat, Fedora and the concepts of free open and democratic commons of content and technology from relatively unknowns into the great revolution of our age. I have spent the better part of the last 6 years working for Red Hat on Fedora and Fedora-related projects in directed efforts to improve both the state and awareness of those things I mentioned. Red Hat has been a warm home and family to me and I am as much glad as I am in awe of how ferociously dedicated we have been to our noble principles of freedom and truth, while having accomplished, ascertained and executed and what I have been able to imbibe, about so many diverse concepts, over these last few years. What niche and facet have we not touched? What direction or device have we not influenced? What proclivity have we not affected? For this, I am proud. Fedora has been my brother since the day it was conceived. The more energy and time I invested into Fedora, to help it grow and mature, the more it paid me back by proving to be the best platform for innovation, and letting me be involved in that cause. Starting a community is no small order and keeping it going all these years take passion on the part of those willing to undertake the task. We have learned what it means to be a community, to live, breathe, eat and be true to community. To provide, so that others can have, to build so that others can build upon and to be selfless so that we can embrace others and more importantly so that others can embrace us, virtual strangers, and feel welcome. It has been my distinct pleasure to work with every single precious member of the Fedora community, from all over the world to help build a very deep and intimate relationship with the concept of community. We have accomplished such great feats, arising from a turbulent and tumultuous genesis and virtually transformed and flipped the world and the hearts and minds of people in a few short years. We have become the paramount archetype of community. How many have communities emulated and continue to emulate our success? How many have our ideas spawned? How many have been lucky to be as true and real as we have? For this, I am grateful. The best part has been the people. I can't count on 100 sets of hands the number and names of all the wonderful people that have affected me. When I was on the Fedora University Tour, my speech was called "Crash: How a Billion Little Collisions Defines Everything," and it was about how working in a community and in real life, we are the sum total of the people we interact with. I don't think one can find a better metaphor and if I stick to my axiom then I can truly consider myself rich. Every person I met and spent time with in the office, at a meeting, show, conference or elsewhere, and online has helped shape my character, both personal and professional, for the better. As a lover of people I am both thankful for the interactions we have had and excited for what the future holds. I owe thanks to many, like I said, even 100 hands can't count, but I will try and pay homage to some of my closest, dearest and most influential friends over the last few years. First and foremost, Tom "Spot" Callaway, for urging me to get involved way back when things started and helping me score a gig at Red Hat. Greg DeKoenigsberg, for being a friend, a mentor and a visionary; if I can say one thing about Greg it's that he "gets it" when no one else does, he can put it in words, and above all else, he's real. Max Spevack, because I can write a whole book of reasons to thank Max, who has been a dear friend, a true buddy, a team player and a team leader. Karsten Wade, for being the most chillin guy you will ever find, and for being my west coast trade show and conference booth buddy. Jim Gleason, for being first a friend for 9+ years of NYLUG and then a mentor and being someone who cares. Michael Tiemann, for being a genius, for always giving me something to think about and someone to look up to. John Flanagan, for being my first manager at Red Hat and being an all around great guy and Jeff Needle, for being the guy who would let me wander into his cubicle and talk about nothing for hours on end. Mo Duffy, for being the best artist and designer in the world! The original Red Hat QA team, Ed Rousseau, Bill Peck, Marty, John, John and Zack for letting me encroach on their cube area and steal one when I was an intern. Jesse Keating, for being awesome, for being the workhorse upon much of which the foundations of Fedora are built, and for being a cool guy who I spoke to for almost 2 years online and helped me with everything before I ever got a chance to meet him and buy him a drink. Luke Macken, for all those games of Star Wars pinball on the 3rd floor and for being the most uber hacker the world has ever seen. Arlinton Bourne, for being a true friend and following my advice to join Red Hat, where the hood at? Paul Frields, for being a great leader and a real sweetheart while still secretly being 007. Yaakov Nemoy, for being my intern and not complaining and for being a friend who will always listen to my crazy ideas. Arjun Roy and Mohammed Morsi, for being great interns as well and for accepting offers to come to Red Hat as well. Mo, real Red Hatters wear Orange. Bill Nottingham, because I like him. Moshe Bar, for being my international hangout buddy and being an all around great human being. The Red Hat Anaconda team, the Desktop team, Fedora kernel team (a.k.a. Dave Jones), the Fedora Ambassadors, the Fedora Infrastructure team including Mike, Dennis and Toshio, anyone who was ever been on the Fedora board including Rex Dieter, anyone who ever volunteered to help at an event or show, everyone in the Westford office, everyone in the NYC office. The Fedora Marketing team including Steven Moix, David Nalley, Bob Jensen, Jon Stanley, Rahul Sundaram, John Rose and anyone else I'm forgetting...we done good, real good. To the next generation of leaders in Fedora, Mel Chua, Ricky Zhou, Ian Weller and crew. Last and certainly not least, to Matthew Szulik who believed in us and led us finely as a teacher and friend and Jim Whitehurst, who keeps the flame alive, the train running and still makes time to be a true leader. Thanks everyone for an amazing time and ride. As I move on to other ventures, I wish everyone blessing and success and hope to keep in touch. I can be reached via email jack at jackfoundation.com, Freenode IRC as themayor, and various and sundry social networks. From cyberspy1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 00:12:13 2009 From: cyberspy1 at gmail.com (CyberSpy) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:12:13 -0400 Subject: Jack is Going, Going, Going...Gone! 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Rahul From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 28 04:46:58 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:46:58 -0400 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule Message-ID: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> I've updated the F12 schedule according to the meeting (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00140.html) that Paul, John, and myself had today. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule We've got some dates and such to coordinate with various teams (cc'd here) before Monday in order to make sure our calendars sync up. One of the things we'll be talking about at the Marketing meeting tomorrow (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) is how to make sure that each Marketing + OtherTeam coordination happens this week - some of these connections already have delegates, others have people who probably should be, others are wide open. The notes below are very, *very* much drafts, and only starting points! It's also entirely possible that I've put *too* much in the notes below (that figuring out something shouldn't be Marketing's job, or its focus). Patches welcome. --Mel ---- Design: We should make sure we get you a release slogan in time, and give fast enough feedback/final-slogan turnaround based on your designs that you can make release buttons/banners with time to spare. Also need to see what sort of work we need to coordinate in order to make spiffy Ambassadors kits. Docs: We should commit to those 1-page shiny release notes you wanted, and find other good points during the cycle to check in with each other. We also need to talk (possibly with News) on who'd like to do what portions of talking points and in-depth feature profiles. (How can we market our documentation as awesome, too?) Ambassadors: We need to schedule a briefing for you folks to happen once the talking points are ready - but most importantly, we need to learn how we can listen to you better so that we can make the things you actually want and *need* to spread the word on the ground. What can we do? Websites: We should talk - potentially with Design - about how we're going to coordinate various webpage redesigns and revisions, and how our respective roles complement each other. News: We also need to talk (possibly with Docs) on who'd like to do what portions of talking points and in-depth feature profiles. We should also figure out what's going on with News and Marketing and Fedora Insight, so we can schedule in coordination times with other teams if needed. From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 28 04:50:05 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:50:05 -0400 Subject: Reminder: #fedora-meeting, 20:00 UTC Message-ID: <4A6E837D.9010702@redhat.com> A lot of things are happening - Jack's transition, the F12 schedule beginning to settle in, impending Alpha date - so let's get together and find out where we are. The usual: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings Last week: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-21/fedora-meeting.2009-07-21-20.02.log.html Our schedule/agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 28 06:59:36 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:29:36 +0530 Subject: Reviewed: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A6EA1D8.5020102@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-fedora-11 "Leonidas is a competent and comprehensive release. Some may balk at some of the beta software included (Firefox 3.5 most notably, but this has been patched after release), but the balancing act between cutting-edginess and stability has been well maintained. This isn't a must-have release in the same way that Fedora 8 or Fedora 10 were, but sometimes little skips are better than great leaps. *Our verdict:* Other distros are in danger of being outbuntu'd by this freedom loving, Gnome-centric star performer.*9/10*." Rahul From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 28 17:12:12 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:12:12 -0400 Subject: FooBar --> Fedora Insight Message-ID: <4A6F316C.2070904@redhat.com> FooBar pages and categories have been moved to Fedora Insight. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight However, the content still refers to FooBar. If someone has a minute to fix this, that's awesome - if not, I'll do it when I'm back in Boston. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Jul 28 22:34:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:34:24 -0400 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-07-28 Message-ID: <4A6F7CF0.2030108@redhat.com> Logs are posted at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. And the notes (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-28/fedora-meeting.2009-07-28-20.01.txt) say that I've got a lot of emailin' to do tonight. ;) From chinku.linux at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 01:04:23 2009 From: chinku.linux at gmail.com (chaitanya mehandru) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:34:23 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: Chaitanya Mehandru Message-ID: <24b40b2b0907281804q16e181dcid524c9063679c15a@mail.gmail.com> HI, I recently joined the fedora marketing group and it was interesting to chat with a couple of folks. Below is a small intro of mine. - Full legal name : Chaitanya Mehandru - Location: Bangalore, India (GMT + 5:30) - Company: Graduate Intern Technical at INTEL Corporation - School: Will be completing Masters of Science in Embedded Systems from Manipal University,India in August. - Goals in the Fedora Project: Actively work for marketing of Fedora as well with the technical team. I have worked on Intel's Atom based platforms running moblin2. - What I want to talk about: I wish to discuss and share ideas for improving fedora from a performance perspective. - What else I'd like to do: Work with the Fedora technical team - Recent projects or marketing effors in the past): Worked on Software power and performance analysis of multimedia and videoconferencing applications on MObile Internet Devices. I have worked extensivley on ekiga videoconferencing on arom based platforms and wrote a paper on the power/performance characterization of videoconferencing on MIDs. - Marketing skills: Willing to learn more from the folks here.I would say my marketing skills are at beginner's level. I am a quick learner Please let me know if anyone wants to know something specific or talk about. Thanks, Chaitanya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(And if Fedora doesn't come out on top, we should write it anyway and take it as a challenge to improve. ;) That technical comparison sounds like it would be a great thing to have available, possibly with a second short version explaining the more technical article for people who aren't embedded engineers - is that something you might be interested in? (If you're more interested in something else, by all means please do that instead!) --Mel From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jul 29 06:46:53 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:46:53 -0400 Subject: I won't be around Wednesday during the day Message-ID: <4A6FF05D.60801@redhat.com> Hey Guys, I'm gonna take most of Wednesday off to take care of some personal stuff, so I won't be near a PC. I will be back sometime later in the day. Mel has the keys to the car if anyone needs them. Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Jul 29 15:00:54 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:00:54 +0200 Subject: News distribution network 2.0 Message-ID: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> Hi all, With the past experience from the Fedora 11 cycle and the rise of Fedora Insight, it was time to change the way our news distribution network works, the main difference between both of them is that: "The Fedora Insight initiative is a "passive" way of delivering a steady flow of news, while the News Distribution Network is an "active" tool to push the most important news all around the world. " The new page can be found on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_%28NDN%29 What has changed? * During the F11 cycle, we were supposed to write news to this mailinglist, and decide which ones we wanted to send to the NDN. Obviously, this was an epic fail as we never did it this way. * With Fedora Insight, our work will be more focused and streamlined. Our job is tu put content on the Fedora Insight website, along with the News group and other people; we will do this regardless of the NDN. Now we simply have to select the important news stories from FI and send them to NDN, so they can be published internationally. I don't know the English expression for that, but...on fait d'une pierre deux coups. ;) Any comments on the new way I'm planning to use the NDN? Its goal is now really to push the most important FI news worldwide, it's a tool deigned just for that. Thanks Steven From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 18:01:22 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:01:22 -0400 Subject: News distribution network 2.0 In-Reply-To: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> References: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <20090729180122.GO4620@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:00:54PM +0200, Steven Moix wrote: > Hi all, > > With the past experience from the Fedora 11 cycle and the rise of Fedora > Insight, it was time to change the way our news distribution network > works, the main difference between both of them is that: > > "The Fedora Insight initiative is a "passive" way of delivering a steady > flow of news, while the News Distribution Network is an "active" tool to > push the most important news all around the world. " > > The new page can be found on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_%28NDN%29 > > What has changed? > * During the F11 cycle, we were supposed to write news to this > mailinglist, and decide which ones we wanted to send to the NDN. > Obviously, this was an epic fail as we never did it this way. > * With Fedora Insight, our work will be more focused and streamlined. Our > job is tu put content on the Fedora Insight website, along with the News > group and other people; we will do this regardless of the NDN. Now we > simply have to select the important news stories from FI and send them to > NDN, so they can be published internationally. > > I don't know the English expression for that, but...on fait d'une pierre > deux coups. ;) > > Any comments on the new way I'm planning to use the NDN? Its goal is now > really to push the most important FI news worldwide, it's a tool deigned > just for that. FWIW, it should be possible for us to select stories by some method and tag them in a way that gives you (or anyone involved with the NDN) a display of top stories. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Wed Jul 29 20:21:47 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:47 -0400 Subject: News distribution network 2.0 In-Reply-To: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> References: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A70AF5B.8010801@redhat.com> > I don't know the English expression for that, but...on fait d'une pierre > deux coups. ;) "Killing two birds with one stone," maybe? (I don't actually speak French...) > Any comments on the new way I'm planning to use the NDN? Its goal is now > really to push the most important FI news worldwide, it's a tool deigned > just for that. A big +1 from me here. If I'm understanding this correctly, what this means is that all we have to do is worry about getting good (and shiny) content onto FI; if FI contains 100% excellent, public-facing content, NDN's Ambassadors will do the rest in terms of getting individual pieces of that content and the messages they convey into specific, targeted places (individual publications, blogs, podcasts, journalists, etc.) In other words, FI is how Marketing and News supply the ammo (News filling the water balloons, Marketing polishing them up and delivering them in a convenient box with a map of suggested targets), and the NDN actually loads and shoots the slingshots. --Mel From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Jul 29 20:56:41 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:56:41 +0200 Subject: News distribution network 2.0 In-Reply-To: <4A70AF5B.8010801@redhat.com> References: <4A706426.1040507@axianet.ch> <4A70AF5B.8010801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A70B789.5090206@axianet.ch> On 07/29/2009 10:21 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> I don't know the English expression for that, but...on fait d'une pierre >> deux coups. ;) > > "Killing two birds with one stone," maybe? (I don't actually speak > French...) That's it, but why do these poor birds have to die in English? :p > >> Any comments on the new way I'm planning to use the NDN? Its goal is now >> really to push the most important FI news worldwide, it's a tool deigned >> just for that. > > A big +1 from me here. If I'm understanding this correctly, what this > means is that all we have to do is worry about getting good (and shiny) > content onto FI; if FI contains 100% excellent, public-facing content, > NDN's Ambassadors will do the rest in terms of getting individual pieces > of that content and the messages they convey into specific, targeted > places (individual publications, blogs, podcasts, journalists, etc.) > > In other words, FI is how Marketing and News supply the ammo (News > filling the water balloons, Marketing polishing them up and delivering > them in a convenient box with a map of suggested targets), and the NDN > actually loads and shoots the slingshots. Yep, it sounds quite natural in fact :) Steven From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Jul 29 21:40:38 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:40:38 -0700 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule In-Reply-To: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> References: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A70C1D6.3090801@redhat.com> Mel Chua said the following on 07/27/2009 09:46 PM Pacific Time: > I've updated the F12 schedule according to the meeting > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00140.html) > that Paul, John, and myself had today. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule > FWIW: To update TaskJuggler and the master schedule, I will need a text version of the schedule in the format that we created on Gobby. Thanks, John From mel at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 02:21:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:21:11 -0400 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule In-Reply-To: <4A6E881B.4090000@redhat.com> References: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> <4A6E881B.4090000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A710397.7090501@redhat.com> (Marketing folks - this was asked on the Docs list in response to this email, so I thought it might be good to give a fuller explanation.) > Hello, > It might be stupid question, sorry, what is this for? > Where is 'Localization'? > noriko Thanks for the call-out - I should have been more clear when I sent out that email. This email was basically announcing the almost-final (it will be frozen on Monday) Marketing schedule of what we'll be working on for the F12 release. It's here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule I sent it to several other lists (including Docs) because one of the things we want to make sure is that our schedule is OK for all the other teams we'll have to work with on a deliverable, or send a deliverable to. For instance, if Marketing is supposed to make 1-page release notes for Docs, a milestone for that should be on the Marketing F12 schedule, and Docs has to be happy with the date of that Marketing milestone, so we can get stuff to you on time. Not all the other teams were listed (for instance, as you pointed out, Localization wasn't mentioned) because we only have "deliverable due dates" for a few teams. We'll still be working with, listening to, and making stuff for all the other teams (and really, anyone working on Fedora who'd like Marketing help) - this list was just to make sure big schedule milestones all matched up. If you think we *should* have specific milestones for a team that isn't listed, please let us know! Hope that explains a bit - and please, let me know if I should be going about this differently, or explaining things better... I'm trying to go around to coordinate individually with the owners of the various team schedules, so things should be taken care of, but I also wanted to let others on the teams that we'll be working with know why they might at some point get stuff from Marketing, or see Marketing people show up at particular meetings, and that kind of thing. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 02:45:01 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:45:01 -0400 Subject: Websites + Marketing schedules: synced! Message-ID: <4A71092D.5010408@redhat.com> Websites and Marketing folks: just a heads-up so you know the stuff that the two groups will be working on together for this release cycle - Ricky and I just froze the milestone dates for things the two teams will be collaborating on (our version is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule). Here are the relevant parts for y'all on what Marketing is going to deliver for Websites... Final release slogan is ready for websites/design 2009-09-17 Marketing creates this, influenced by the Design themes/wallpaper/etc. for the release. The slogan then (circularly?) affects the Design team's release button/banner for the website. Need to make sure this lines up with Design and Website's dates. This date is a start date; the end date needs to be set in conjunction with Design. All desired website changes taken to websites team 2009-09-15 The Websites team has a 09/29 feature freeze, so we need to make sure any features/changes we want (text, images, page restructuring, etc...) have been approved by them by that date. This means that two weeks prior, Marketing should know exactly what changes we'd like to see on the websites, that all those changes should be tickets filed in the Website team's Trac, and that each change should have a Marketing delegate working on it from within the Websites team. (For Marketing's reference...) Groups we (Marketing) have synced with: Websites, Design Groups left to sync with: Docs, Ambassadors, News ...that is all. Thanks for your time! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 02:45:03 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:45:03 -0400 Subject: Design + Marketing schedules: Synced! Message-ID: <4A71092F.5020800@redhat.com> Design and Marketing folks: just a heads-up so you know the stuff that the two groups will be working on together for this release cycle - Mo and I just froze the milestone dates for things the two teams will be collaborating on (our version is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule). Here are the relevant parts for y'all on what Marketing is going to deliver for Design... Select a release slogan 2009-09-17 Make sure Design has the release slogan so they can start designing. Final release slogan is ready for websites/design 2009-09-17 Marketing creates this, influenced by the Design themes/wallpaper/etc. for the release. The slogan then (circularly?) affects the Design team's release button/banner for the website. Need to make sure this lines up with Design and Website's dates. This date is a start date; the end date needs to be set in conjunction with Design. (For Marketing's reference...) Groups we (Marketing) have synced with: Websites, Design Groups left to sync with: Docs, Ambassadors, News ...that is all. Thanks for your time! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 04:12:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:12:24 -0400 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule In-Reply-To: <4A70C1D6.3090801@redhat.com> References: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> <4A70C1D6.3090801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A711DA8.2040608@redhat.com> > FWIW: To update TaskJuggler and the master schedule, I will need a text > version of the schedule in the format that we created on Gobby. Assuming (based on gobby) that the format you need for f12 team schedules is each entry on a separate line, then the task and start and end dates like this: name of task YYYY-MM-DD YYYY-MM-DD ...then yup, you'll have that by Monday no problem. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 05:52:05 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:52:05 -0400 Subject: Trac instance for Marketing tasks requested Message-ID: <4A713505.4000402@redhat.com> ...so that we may know the tasks-are-much-easier-to-manage glory that Infrastructure and Design already know. Just keeping y'all updated - though once it's up, if anyone would like to join me for a quick "Let's Move Tasks From The Wiki Into Tickets!" sprint, that would be lovely. ;) https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1570 --Mel From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Jul 30 07:43:53 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:43:53 +0200 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule In-Reply-To: <4A711DA8.2040608@redhat.com> References: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> <4A70C1D6.3090801@redhat.com> <4A711DA8.2040608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A714F39.5030409@axianet.ch> Hi, On 07/30/2009 06:12 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> FWIW: To update TaskJuggler and the master schedule, I will need a text >> version of the schedule in the format that we created on Gobby. > > Assuming (based on gobby) that the format you need for f12 team > schedules is each entry on a separate line, then the task and start and > end dates like this: > > name of task YYYY-MM-DD YYYY-MM-DD ...does this mean that if I change something on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule, I have to add my changes to another text file somewhere else? /me can already feel the synchronization problems. Steven From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Jul 30 13:21:19 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:21:19 +0200 Subject: Design + Marketing schedules: Synced! In-Reply-To: <4A71092F.5020800@redhat.com> References: <4A71092F.5020800@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Groups left to sync with: Docs, Ambassadors, News >From Ambassadors side, we are available and we will happy to get synchronized with Marketing :). Regards Francesco Ugolini From choke at redhat.com Thu Jul 30 17:57:22 2009 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:57:22 -0400 Subject: Jack is Going, Going, Going...Gone! In-Reply-To: <4A6E3845.2010503@redhat.com> References: <4A6E3845.2010503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A71DF02.3080709@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I think I told most people that I wanted to tell privately so it's > time to tell the list and out myself to the public. August 14th will > be my last day at Red Hat and of temporary daily direct involvement in > the Fedora project. > > In 1997 I got my first taste of Linux, Red Hat Linux 4.2, to be > exact. It was in the basement lab of the university that I was doing > research at during the second half of my freshman year in high > school. It was at that point the most fun and challenging thing I had > ever done, struggling to get the kernel to work with the crappy Matrox > (I think) video card that was the only spare piece of anything in that > lab. I aimlessly wandered down that path I had no idea that jumping > down the rabbit hole would lead to the 12 most pleasantly wondrous and > amazing years of my life. > > Over the last 12 years this love affair has grown stronger and I have > had the unbelievable good fortune to travel the world, see amazing > places, explore amazing ideas, meet and work with some of the planet's > greatest, smartest and most passionate people and play my part to help > turn Linux, Open Source, Red Hat, Fedora and the concepts of free open > and democratic commons of content and technology from relatively > unknowns into the great revolution of our age. I have spent the > better part of the last 6 years working for Red Hat on Fedora and > Fedora-related projects in directed efforts to improve both the state > and awareness of those things I mentioned. Red Hat has been a warm > home and family to me and I am as much glad as I am in awe of how > ferociously dedicated we have been to our noble principles of freedom > and truth, while having accomplished, ascertained and executed and > what I have been able to imbibe, about so many diverse concepts, over > these last few years. What niche and facet have we not touched? What > direction or device have we not influenced? What proclivity have we > not affected? For this, I am proud. > > Fedora has been my brother since the day it was conceived. The more > energy and time I invested into Fedora, to help it grow and mature, > the more it paid me back by proving to be the best platform for > innovation, and letting me be involved in that cause. Starting a > community is no small order and keeping it going all these years take > passion on the part of those willing to undertake the task. We have > learned what it means to be a community, to live, breathe, eat and be > true to community. To provide, so that others can have, to build so > that others can build upon and to be selfless so that we can embrace > others and more importantly so that others can embrace us, virtual > strangers, and feel welcome. It has been my distinct pleasure to work > with every single precious member of the Fedora community, from all > over the world to help build a very deep and intimate relationship > with the concept of community. We have accomplished such great feats, > arising from a turbulent and tumultuous genesis and virtually > transformed and flipped the world and the hearts and minds of people > in a few short years. We have become the paramount archetype of > community. How many have communities emulated and continue to emulate > our success? How many have our ideas spawned? How many have been > lucky to be as true and real as we have? For this, I am grateful. > > The best part has been the people. I can't count on 100 sets of hands > the number and names of all the wonderful people that have affected > me. When I was on the Fedora University Tour, my speech was called > "Crash: How a Billion Little Collisions Defines Everything," and it > was about how working in a community and in real life, we are the sum > total of the people we interact with. I don't think one can find a > better metaphor and if I stick to my axiom then I can truly consider > myself rich. Every person I met and spent time with in the office, at > a meeting, show, conference or elsewhere, and online has helped shape > my character, both personal and professional, for the better. As a > lover of people I am both thankful for the interactions we have had > and excited for what the future holds. I owe thanks to many, like I > said, even 100 hands can't count, but I will try and pay homage to > some of my closest, dearest and most influential friends over the last > few years. > First and foremost, Tom "Spot" Callaway, for urging me to get involved > way back when things started and helping me score a gig at Red Hat. > Greg DeKoenigsberg, for being a friend, a mentor and a visionary; if I > can say one thing about Greg it's that he "gets it" when no one else > does, he can put it in words, and above all else, he's real. Max > Spevack, because I can write a whole book of reasons to thank Max, who > has been a dear friend, a true buddy, a team player and a team leader. > Karsten Wade, for being the most chillin guy you will ever find, and > for being my west coast trade show and conference booth buddy. Jim > Gleason, for being first a friend for 9+ years of NYLUG and then a > mentor and being someone who cares. > Michael Tiemann, for being a genius, for always giving me something to > think about and someone to look up to. > John Flanagan, for being my first manager at Red Hat and being an all > around great guy and Jeff Needle, for being the guy who would let me > wander into his cubicle and talk about nothing for hours on end. > Mo Duffy, for being the best artist and designer in the world! > The original Red Hat QA team, Ed Rousseau, Bill Peck, Marty, John, > John and Zack for letting me encroach on their cube area and steal one > when I was an intern. Jesse Keating, for being awesome, for being the > workhorse upon much of which the foundations of Fedora are built, and > for being a cool guy who I spoke to for almost 2 years online and > helped me with everything before I ever got a chance to meet him and > buy him a drink. Luke Macken, for all those games of Star Wars pinball > on the 3rd floor and for being the most uber hacker the world has ever > seen. Arlinton Bourne, for being a true friend and following my advice > to join Red Hat, where the hood at? Paul Frields, for being a great > leader and a real sweetheart while still secretly being 007. > Yaakov Nemoy, for being my intern and not complaining and for being a > friend who will always listen to my crazy ideas. > Arjun Roy and Mohammed Morsi, for being great interns as well and for > accepting offers to come to Red Hat as well. Mo, real Red Hatters > wear Orange. > Bill Nottingham, because I like him. > Moshe Bar, for being my international hangout buddy and being an all > around great human being. > The Red Hat Anaconda team, the Desktop team, Fedora kernel team > (a.k.a. Dave Jones), the Fedora Ambassadors, the Fedora Infrastructure > team including Mike, Dennis and Toshio, anyone who was ever been on > the Fedora board including Rex Dieter, anyone who ever volunteered to > help at an event or show, everyone in the Westford office, everyone in > the NYC office. > The Fedora Marketing team including Steven Moix, David Nalley, Bob > Jensen, Jon Stanley, Rahul Sundaram, John Rose and anyone else I'm > forgetting...we done good, real good. > To the next generation of leaders in Fedora, Mel Chua, Ricky Zhou, Ian > Weller and crew. > Last and certainly not least, to Matthew Szulik who believed in us and > led us finely as a teacher and friend and Jim Whitehurst, who keeps > the flame alive, the train running and still makes time to be a true > leader. > > Thanks everyone for an amazing time and ride. As I move on to other > ventures, I wish everyone blessing and success and hope to keep in > touch. I can be reached via email jack at jackfoundation.com, Freenode > IRC as themayor, and various and sundry social networks. > Sad news, Jack. I wish you well in the future - it was awesome to meet and hang out with you the few times that I got to! Take care. -- Colby A. Hoke [ Producer ] Brand Communications + Design ----------------------------- "I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing. Doomed to crumble unless we grow and strengthen our communication." ~tool From mel at redhat.com Fri Jul 31 07:03:56 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:03:56 -0400 Subject: Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule In-Reply-To: <4A714F39.5030409@axianet.ch> References: <4A6E82C2.1070402@redhat.com> <4A70C1D6.3090801@redhat.com> <4A711DA8.2040608@redhat.com> <4A714F39.5030409@axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A72975C.9040205@redhat.com> > ...does this mean that if I change something on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule, I have to add my > changes to another text file somewhere else? Not if the change happens before Monday (at, say, 1400UTC - I know I won't be grabbing and sending the final freeze version before then). > /me can already feel the synchronization problems. Yup. In order to avoid that, here's how it's going to work: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule will have that (lovely, wiki-editable) schedule until Monday 8/3, which is schedule freeze day. On schedule freeze day, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule will change to contain 3 things: 1. a link to our frozen schedule (it'll look like http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-design-tasks.html) 2. a link to our task queue (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/, not yet populated with tasks); the tickets here will have more detail on the work needed for milestones, and it'll be here that we track our work 3. an explanation of both of the above and how they work together --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Jul 31 08:11:15 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:11:15 -0400 Subject: Generic Marketing release cycle schedule (draft) Message-ID: <4A72A723.7060400@redhat.com> Attached. This is a draft of a skeleton schedule with all the milestones we'll have to hit every release, to be customized at the start of each cycle to create that cycle's particular schedule. (Because stuff like "alpha readiness meeting" will be repeated every cycle, stuff like "get Fedora Insight up and running" won't.) Emphasis on the word *draft.* Are there any other tasks that *must* be completed every cycle? Tasks listed here that don't need to be done every cycle? John, the formatting is pretty awful here - it might be easier to go through and change the dates from things like "beta readiness mtg+1wk" to things like "week 1 - week 3"... we can do that on gobby if you'd like. F12 schedule coming on Monday. --Mel -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: generic-marketing-release-schedule.txt URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 21:57:36 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:57:36 -0400 Subject: Generic Marketing release cycle schedule (draft) In-Reply-To: <4A72A723.7060400@redhat.com> References: <4A72A723.7060400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090731215736.GH16883@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 04:11:15AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > Attached. > > This is a draft of a skeleton schedule with all the milestones we'll have > to hit every release, to be customized at the start of each cycle to > create that cycle's particular schedule. (Because stuff like "alpha > readiness meeting" will be repeated every cycle, stuff like "get Fedora > Insight up and running" won't.) > > Emphasis on the word *draft.* Are there any other tasks that *must* be > completed every cycle? Tasks listed here that don't need to be done every > cycle? > > John, the formatting is pretty awful here - it might be easier to go > through and change the dates from things like "beta readiness mtg+1wk" to > things like "week 1 - week 3"... we can do that on gobby if you'd like. > > F12 schedule coming on Monday. Mel, I'd probably put the Red Hat Brand coordination meeting earlier, something like Alpha availability +1 week. They need significant headroom in their schedule for things like video production. Paul > Cleanup the wiki from the obsolete marketing cycles start of cycle start of cycle+1wk > > Cycle the wiki pages to the new release start of cycle start of cycle+1wk > > Alpha Readiness Meeting mtgdate mtgdate > > List potential talking points and feature profiles Feature freeze Feature freeze+1wk > > Decide format (podcast, video, text, etc) and provider (Docs or News) for each talking point and feature profile Feature freeze+2wk Feature freeze+3wk > > In-depth feature profiles from 0% to 75% completion Beta availability-6wks Beta availability-2wks > > Contact News beats people about topics/features we cover as soon as feature profiles are 75% complete that date +1wk > > Drafts of talking points completed beta availabiity-3wks Beta availability-2wks > > Beta Readiness Meeting mtgdate mtgdate > > Open the call for release slogan suggestions beta readiness mtg-1wk same > > Release slogan selection beta readiness mtg+1wk same > > Finish the in-depth feature profiles beta-2wks beta > > Meet with RH Brand to discuss additional/supplemental RH-provided marketing materials that may be coming out (video, press blog, etc) beta beta+1wk > > Brief FAMSCo on talking points and propagate link to Ambassadors beta-2wks beta-1wk > > Update the press kits beta-1wk general avail-6wks > > Final release slogan is ready for websites/design beta readiness mtg - 2wks same > > Update and freeze the screenshots page beta availability +1wk > Update and freeze the Fedora tour page beta availability +1wk > > Brief News Distribution Network on tour page and other marketing materials created to date beta-1wk beta+1wk > > Monitor community news sites and provide corrections and additional information as needed beta-4wk gen availability + 4wk > > Final Readiness meeting mtgdate mtgdate > > GA Day social media explosion sprint date date > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Paul W. 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