From giallu at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 09:59:09 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:59:09 +0200 Subject: Media and Content for next week 6/1-6/8 In-Reply-To: <4A1F89B4.5040005@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A1ED92D.6090602@redhat.com> <4A1F89B4.5040005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Instead of 20 second startup, it be more interesting to talk to Ray > Strode about Plymouth. Seconded. I'm very curious about where plymouth is going given the boot time is (fortunately) shortening at each cycle, to the point it seems ubuntu is not going to include it: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI5NQ -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 1 10:03:16 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:33:16 +0530 Subject: Media and Content for next week 6/1-6/8 In-Reply-To: References: <4A1ED92D.6090602@redhat.com> <4A1F89B4.5040005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A23A764.9090308@fedoraproject.org> On 06/01/2009 03:29 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: >> Instead of 20 second startup, it be more interesting to talk to Ray >> Strode about Plymouth. > > Seconded. I'm very curious about where plymouth is going given the > boot time is (fortunately) shortening at each cycle, to the point it > seems ubuntu is not going to include it: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI5NQ That's for the next release. They will probably wait for a release more KMS and other related stuff settles down via Fedora. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:14:53 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:14:53 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0905291622i806b76bgeecc3696fc89104@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0905291622i806b76bgeecc3696fc89104@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090601131453.GJ9001@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:22:39AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Eric Christensen > wrote: > > Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release > > announcement[1] built. ?We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and > > think we are in consensus that it is complete. ?Please look over it > > and see if anything jumps out at you. ?If not, this is what we'd like > > to go with. > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 > > First sentence spells today as "to-day", but maybe that is intended? That's intended, in the spirit of usage in English over a century ago. > Also, there are spaces after "..." and the capital letter following. I removed the ellipses since they really didn't indicate anything in particular. I suppose I could go read up and find out how they were used idiomatically way back when, but it didn't seem vital. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:42:51 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:42:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project leader Paul W Frields talks with FLOSS Weekly In-Reply-To: <4A228962.6030705@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A228962.6030705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090601134251.GN9001@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 07:12:58PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://twit.tv/floss71 > > "Paul W. Frields of the Fedora Project, the free and open source arm of > the Red Hat Linux distribution. An unfortunate misnomer, but we should keep in mind that the FLOSS Weekly audience is largely made up of people who are not using Linux, and therefore not really interested in the dynamics of how our project is related. I tried to explain this more clearly in the interview. > Paul W. Frields is the Chairman of the Fedora Project Board, and an > employee of Red Hat. He works on documentation, release notes, > marketing, and was a founding member of the Fedora Project Board." > > Blog post from Paul at > > http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2481 These guys did a live interview on video, and I suppose it's floating around somewhere on the site as well, or at least it was run a few times before Saturday's posting of the audio podcast. Unfortunately they aren't using FLOSS to do everything, but you can't really fault the credentials of someone like Randal Schwartz, who's been an open source advocate (cross-platform) for a long time. This was a great show and from what I heard from Randal over the weekend they got a lot of positive feedback about it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 16:59:20 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:59:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090601165920.GZ9001@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:13:52PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: > Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release > announcement[1] built. We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and > think we are in consensus that it is complete. Please look over it > and see if anything jumps out at you. If not, this is what we'd like > to go with. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 As we've discussed previously elsewhere, translators can create their own localized announcements using our talking points: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points They do not need to translate the top part of the announcement (the funny safari story) at all if desired. Paul From smooge at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 17:02:46 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:02:46 -0600 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: <20090601165920.GZ9001@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090601165920.GZ9001@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <80d7e4090906011002i2a1f9bc7h745d777be313bd92@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:13:52PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: >> Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release >> announcement[1] built. ?We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and >> think we are in consensus that it is complete. ?Please look over it >> and see if anything jumps out at you. ?If not, this is what we'd like >> to go with. >> >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 > > As we've discussed previously elsewhere, translators can create their > own localized announcements using our talking points: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points > > They do not need to translate the top part of the announcement (the > funny safari story) at all if desired. If off to read his fun stories for Boys from 1905.. I think we should make this a running gag. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From mhsemcheski at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 17:48:36 2009 From: mhsemcheski at gmail.com (Michael Semcheski) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:48:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090906011002i2a1f9bc7h745d777be313bd92@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090601165920.GZ9001@localhost.localdomain> <80d7e4090906011002i2a1f9bc7h745d777be313bd92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I talked it over with a few people, and we agreed there could be a Release Announcement written by HP Lovecraft. (I guess because it was written as if by one of his contemporaries). Things to include: "full of windows that are incompatible with Euclidean geometry" "elders from another dimension that speak in troff and tex" "a shambling mound of bison" "a forgotten man page which has examples of unspeakably evil pipes and redirects" On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:13:52PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: >>> Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release >>> announcement[1] built. ?We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and >>> think we are in consensus that it is complete. ?Please look over it >>> and see if anything jumps out at you. ?If not, this is what we'd like >>> to go with. >>> >>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 >> >> As we've discussed previously elsewhere, translators can create their >> own localized announcements using our talking points: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points >> >> They do not need to translate the top part of the announcement (the >> funny safari story) at all if desired. > > If off to read his fun stories for Boys from 1905.. I think we should > make this a running gag. > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 1 22:31:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:01:30 +0530 Subject: Review - Fedora 11 Preview Message-ID: <4A2456C2.7080502@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.planetoss.com/detail.php?id=22 "Red Hat, one of the biggest contributor to open source and Linux, proved the world that the Open Source service based model is profitable. Red Hat introduces all the exiting new technologies in Fedora, the community driven distribution sponsored by Red Hat. These technologies will be integrated into the official Red Hat distribution after they are mature enough. The technologies like udev, upstart, SELinux, pulseaudio, Plymouth, Xen and KVM are first introduced (if I remember correctly) in Fedora and then later integrated into various other distributions." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 1 22:33:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:03:26 +0530 Subject: Watch Out! Fedora 11 Coming Right Up! Message-ID: <4A245736.1000708@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/watch-out-fedora-11-coming-right-up/ "PlanetOSS even has a review of Fedora 11?s pre-release. Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols listed down Fedora?s 5 best features even. On the best features list, I saw that the fast boot up time was included. I saw that on one of the tweets of one person I?m following. The list includes Fedora using Ext4 by default, better graphics because of X.server 1.6, as well as improvements with Synaptics to the point that it made him appreciate touchpads more. Another one is the extra security provided by DNSSEC." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 1 22:35:34 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:05:34 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11- Leonidas : What is New in it ? A Simple Review Message-ID: <4A2457B6.7060205@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-leonidas-what-is-new-in-it.html "Significant RPM Update: RPM 4.7 has very much improved over its previous version in terms of performance. Memory consumption has been reduced a lot. A test-case of "everything install" of Fedora 10 used to top at near 1.5GB memory consumption, now the peak with the same package set is just over 300MB." Cross-compiling Windows: Support for cross-compiling Windows applications directly on Fedora using the MinGW environment" Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 2 03:54:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:54:38 -0400 Subject: Bracing for Impact Message-ID: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> In case anyone missed this on planet, Jef Spaleta has a wonderful post in which he mentions that the recent spikes in traffic to the site may be linked to our spectacular and ongoing coverage of Fedora 11 Features. This is just a testament to the good work that we in marketing do, and I wanted to take a chance to thank everyone that has helped in any and every capacity ever since the last couple of months! Thanks, Jack From paulmarc at ieee.org Tue Jun 2 06:06:18 2009 From: paulmarc at ieee.org (Paul-Marc Bougharios) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:06:18 +0300 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: <20090601165920.GZ9001@localhost.localdomain> <80d7e4090906011002i2a1f9bc7h745d777be313bd92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <920e95a50906012306u28ab3ce6k92d774c192e2374c@mail.gmail.com> Minor typo in Section *6.2 Runtime*: Backwards *Comparibility* --> Backwards Compatibility Take care, Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr http://www.paulmarc.org/ May God Be With You On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Semcheski wrote: > I talked it over with a few people, and we agreed there could be a > Release Announcement written by HP Lovecraft. (I guess because it was > written as if by one of his contemporaries). > > Things to include: > > "full of windows that are incompatible with Euclidean geometry" > "elders from another dimension that speak in troff and tex" > "a shambling mound of bison" > "a forgotten man page which has examples of unspeakably evil pipes and > redirects" > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul W. Frields > wrote: > >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:13:52PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: > >>> Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release > >>> announcement[1] built. We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and > >>> think we are in consensus that it is complete. Please look over it > >>> and see if anything jumps out at you. If not, this is what we'd like > >>> to go with. > >>> > >>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 > >> > >> As we've discussed previously elsewhere, translators can create their > >> own localized announcements using our talking points: > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points > >> > >> They do not need to translate the top part of the announcement (the > >> funny safari story) at all if desired. > > > > If off to read his fun stories for Boys from 1905.. I think we should > > make this a running gag. > > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuanta at iwayvietnam.com Tue Jun 2 11:27:02 2009 From: tuanta at iwayvietnam.com (Truong Anh. Tuan) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:27:02 +0700 (ICT) Subject: Fedora 11- Leonidas : What is New in it ? A Simple Review In-Reply-To: <4A2457B6.7060205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <11326320.581243942020110.JavaMail.tuanta@tuanta.iwayvietnam.com> Hi, Thanks for your interesting review. I translated a Vietnamese version on my blog: http://blog.iwayvietnam.com/tuanta/2009/06/02/fedora-11-leonidas-whats-new-a-simple-review/ Kind regards, Tuan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Sundaram" To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , lwn at lwn.net, editors at lxer.com, "Chris" , "Ladislav Bodnar" , news at phoronix.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:35:34 AM GMT +07:00 Bangkok, Hanoi, Jakarta Subject: Fedora 11- Leonidas : What is New in it ? A Simple Review Hi http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-leonidas-what-is-new-in-it.html "Significant RPM Update: RPM 4.7 has very much improved over its previous version in terms of performance. Memory consumption has been reduced a lot. A test-case of "everything install" of Fedora 10 used to top at near 1.5GB memory consumption, now the peak with the same package set is just over 300MB." Cross-compiling Windows: Support for cross-compiling Windows applications directly on Fedora using the MinGW environment" Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:21:40 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:21:40 -0400 Subject: Bracing for Impact In-Reply-To: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> References: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:54:38PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > In case anyone missed this on planet, Jef Spaleta has a wonderful post in > which he mentions that the recent spikes in traffic to the site may be > linked to our spectacular and ongoing coverage of Fedora 11 Features. > This is just a testament to the good work that we in marketing do, and I > wanted to take a chance to thank everyone that has helped in any and every > capacity ever since the last couple of months! Jef poses this more as a question than as a supposition. Is there any way that we could start capturing information in a way that would tell us results with more certainty? I'd suggest you get with the Infrastructure guys and find out how we could cull referral data in a way that would be helpful. Perhaps that data could tell us how effective various types of marketing work are, so we could concentrate on doing the most effective things for spreading news to *outside* the Fedora Project, and bringing those visitors in. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:37:53 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:37:53 +0100 Subject: Bracing for Impact In-Reply-To: <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A253941.1090202@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:54:38PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> >> > > Jef poses this more as a question than as a supposition. Is there any > way that we could start capturing information in a way that would tell > us results with more certainty? > > Maybe use referral urls? Just in case it's of any use to the project: http://www.fsf.org/news/ad-bard Frank From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 2 15:20:16 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.06.02 @ 20.00 UTC Message-ID: <4A254330.3040705@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, We are going to be having our regularly scheduled marketing meeting today Tuesday 2nd June 2009 at 20.00UTC. Thats 4 Eastern and 1 Pacific. The meeting will be in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. The agenda will be to once again run through the plan for this week, reiterate our plan for release day overall and for news distribution and solidify our plan for the week post release and to assign responsibilities. See you all there, Jack From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:11:13 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:11:13 -0600 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.06.02 @ 20.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4A254330.3040705@redhat.com> References: <4A254330.3040705@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > We are going to be having our regularly scheduled marketing meeting today > Tuesday 2nd June 2009 at 20.00UTC. Thats 4 Eastern and 1 Pacific. > > The meeting will be in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. > > The agenda will be to once again run through the plan for this week, > reiterate our plan for release day overall and for news distribution and > solidify our plan for the week post release and to assign responsibilities. > > See you all there, > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I am going to send regrets since I am in training this week. Cheers, Clint From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue Jun 2 21:08:35 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:08:35 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-06-02 IRC Log Message-ID: <4A2594D3.9010102@axianet.ch> Hello all, Here is the log for today's marketing meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-02 Steven From kam at kamsalisbury.com Wed Jun 3 11:35:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (kam at kamsalisbury.com) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:35:00 -0400 Subject: Twitter & Identica Accounts Message-ID: <0KKN00AWTV67ILF4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, now that our next release is just days away, its time to think about passing the 'fedora-linux' openid, identi.ca and twitter accounts to another marketing person. I had put the accounts together to help us spread Fedora information in the short text media world. I also configured them so that it would be easy for two people to migrate ownership of the accounts from one person to the other. Though I was fairly involved in the F11 release, this will not be the case with F12. So... Any takers? -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 14:45:58 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:45:58 -0400 Subject: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-raise-thy-might-finger.html Message-ID: <4A268CA6.2030904@redhat.com> http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-raise-thy-might-finger.html Authentication is an aspect of computing which many take for granted. What's all the fuss? you think. Username, password and that's that. In the following Q&A session with Bastien Nocera, long time Fedora Contributor and Desktop Renaissance Man, we discover that when it comes to authentication, there is more than meets the finger! With fingerprint and other biometric authentication options gaining more popularity, its time to get more creative regarding their use. Many laptops have had built-in fingerprint readers for upwards of two years now and Fedora 11, thanks to Bastien and crew, does a solid job of making that option a viable one for Linux desktop user. How did we make this happen for Fedora 11? Will your Fedora laptop one day be able to authenticate you on the web using your finger? Will we ever get GNOME keyring to unlock using a fingerprint? What will Bastien work on next? All this and more if you keep reading below! Or above in this case... From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 14:46:20 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:46:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11: Raise thy Mighty... Finger? Message-ID: <4A268CBC.3060804@redhat.com> http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-raise-thy-might-finger.html Authentication is an aspect of computing which many take for granted. What's all the fuss? you think. Username, password and that's that. In the following Q&A session with Bastien Nocera, long time Fedora Contributor and Desktop Renaissance Man, we discover that when it comes to authentication, there is more than meets the finger! With fingerprint and other biometric authentication options gaining more popularity, its time to get more creative regarding their use. Many laptops have had built-in fingerprint readers for upwards of two years now and Fedora 11, thanks to Bastien and crew, does a solid job of making that option a viable one for Linux desktop user. How did we make this happen for Fedora 11? Will your Fedora laptop one day be able to authenticate you on the web using your finger? Will we ever get GNOME keyring to unlock using a fingerprint? What will Bastien work on next? All this and more if you keep reading below! Or above in this case... From jaa at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 14:47:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:47:38 -0400 Subject: Twitter & Identica Accounts In-Reply-To: <0KKN00AWTV67ILF4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKN00AWTV67ILF4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A268D0A.8080209@redhat.com> kam at kamsalisbury.com wrote: > Ok, now that our next release is just days away, its time to think about passing the 'fedora-linux' openid, identi.ca and twitter accounts to another marketing person. > > I had put the accounts together to help us spread Fedora information in the short text media world. I also configured them so that it would be easy for two people to migrate ownership of the accounts from one person to the other. > > Though I was fairly involved in the F11 release, this will not be the case with F12. So... Any takers? > > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > > Kam, Yes I will take them. We actually spoke about this some at yesterday's meeting, I wish you could have been there, but in the coming weeks we will begin to put together our social media strategy, so having this will help... Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 3 18:41:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:11:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11's Ace-in-the-Hole: Microsoft Exchange Interoperability Message-ID: <4A26C3CD.9030200@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://ostatic.com/blog/fedora-11s-ace-in-the-hole-microsoft-exchange-interoperability "That is big news for many businesses. OpenChange is the first open source implementation of the MAPI protocol, and should allow businesses who want to standardize on free, open source e-mail, messaging and collaboration products to do so without ditching interoperability with Microsoft's platform. We covered several of the other notable features in Fedora 11 here. It looks like a release to watch." Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Thu Jun 4 03:36:36 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:36:36 -0400 Subject: Release Announcement Ready for Translation Message-ID: <1244086596.14582.5.camel@thunder> Just wanted to drop you a note to say that the Release Announcement for Fedora 11[1] is completed and if you guys wanted to try to translate it for your local area... go for it. Paul stresses that you should adapt it as necessary for your area. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 -- Thanks, Eric Christensen Fedora Docs Project Fedora Talk: 5102043 Phone: 919-424-0063 x 5102043 E-Mail/SIP Address: sparks at fedoraproject.org IRC: Sparks on freenode.net GPG Fingerprint: CA02 4ACA EB6C 1A76 F0D6 1127 7D04 D240 BD0C 14C1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:59:38 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:59:38 -0800 Subject: Bracing for Impact In-Reply-To: <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910906041259v497ee4d1kac7c7a01c7fca1df@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'd suggest you get with the Infrastructure guys and find out how we > could cull referral data in a way that would be helpful. ?Perhaps that > data could tell us how effective various types of marketing work are, > so we could concentrate on doing the most effective things for > spreading news to *outside* the Fedora Project, and bringing those > visitors in. First of all, the alternative explanation for the spike is that people showed up on the original schedule release day. in a massive wave. It could be we had nearly 2 million really disappointed people all showing up on the originally scheduled release day. If everyone is prepared for possibly seeing that publicly stated I can examine daily counts for the month of May and post a graph. Second, in order to seriously track effectiveness I need to to have some sort of implicit measure of aggregate marketing "output" that I could trend along side with hit counts. As aggregate marketting output goes up..do counts go up? I dont have any suggestions for a trendable marketting output metric. Or, if we want to look more fine grained than that, and look at the effectiveness of individual marketting efforts I would need to be able to pinpoint those efforts in time and maybe location and see if they had a localized impact. Localized meaning...in the scope of the audience that saw the marketting. For example, should we expect to see an increase in traffic from a certain region or country where Fedora has a strong marketting presence at a physical event? I could try to parse the logs looking for that sort of uptick. Another example, when we have specific digital marketting like the focus on feature interviews..can see how that drives traffic via refurls? Can we get agreements from technical laypress sites about always including linkages to a particular project page? I'm pretty sure the pythonic log parser i hacked together can deal with parsing referral urls I just haven't had a reason to do it yet. If I had a list of specific urls I could probably give you some useful relative stats about them. -jef From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 01:42:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:42:38 -0400 Subject: Bracing for Impact In-Reply-To: <604aa7910906041259v497ee4d1kac7c7a01c7fca1df@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910906041259v497ee4d1kac7c7a01c7fca1df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A28780E.2050308@redhat.com> Part of the plan, post F11 is to do something with marketing where can not only create content, but also try and get more fine grained metrics. One of the items on my to-do list is to sit with Mike the week or so after release and figure out what we can do to make that a reality. Any other suggestions are welcome as well! Jack Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> I'd suggest you get with the Infrastructure guys and find out how we >> could cull referral data in a way that would be helpful. Perhaps that >> data could tell us how effective various types of marketing work are, >> so we could concentrate on doing the most effective things for >> spreading news to *outside* the Fedora Project, and bringing those >> visitors in. >> > > > First of all, the alternative explanation for the spike is that people > showed up on the original schedule release day. in a massive wave. It > could be we had nearly 2 million really disappointed people all > showing up on the originally scheduled release day. If everyone is > prepared for possibly seeing that publicly stated I can examine daily > counts for the month of May and post a graph. > > Second, in order to seriously track effectiveness I need to to have > some sort of implicit measure of aggregate marketing "output" that I > could trend along side with hit counts. As aggregate marketting > output goes up..do counts go up? I dont have any suggestions for a > trendable marketting output metric. > > Or, if we want to look more fine grained than that, and look at the > effectiveness of individual marketting efforts I would need to be able > to pinpoint those efforts in time and maybe location and see if they > had a localized impact. Localized meaning...in the scope of the > audience that saw the marketting. For example, should we expect to see > an increase in traffic from a certain region or country where Fedora > has a strong marketting presence at a physical event? I could try to > parse the logs looking for that sort of uptick. Another example, when > we have specific digital marketting like the focus on feature > interviews..can see how that drives traffic via refurls? Can we get > agreements from technical laypress sites about always including > linkages to a particular project page? > > I'm pretty sure the pythonic log parser i hacked together can deal > with parsing referral urls I just haven't had a reason to do it yet. > If I had a list of specific urls I could probably give you some useful > relative stats about them. > > -jef > > From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 02:57:16 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:57:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour Message-ID: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> Hey All, I've been working on the Fedora 1 Tour page. Link is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour Can anyone tell me how they like it and if they think it is lacking anything? Thanks, Jack From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 03:05:35 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:05:35 -0800 Subject: Bracing for Impact In-Reply-To: <4A28780E.2050308@redhat.com> References: <4A24A27E.9040707@redhat.com> <20090602142140.GN21580@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910906041259v497ee4d1kac7c7a01c7fca1df@mail.gmail.com> <4A28780E.2050308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910906042005h5b1aa881kce9b5d2f9f24c0ec@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Part of the plan, post F11 is to do something with marketing where can not > only create content, but also try and get more fine grained metrics. ?One of > the items on my to-do list is to sit with Mike the week or so after release > and figure out what we can do to make that a reality. ?Any other suggestions > are welcome as well! Count me in on implementation. I put a basic pythonic log parser together for the map making. If you define some specific questions to ask of the logged data, I can probably crank that out into a pythonic form with an eye of being able to churn that back into a larger pythonic framework like a turbogears based portal or whatever shows up in the future. -jef From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 12:44:22 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I've been working on the Fedora 1 Tour page. Link is here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour I think it looks good -- I made a few little tweaks, and I'm going to add my podcast w/ Dimitris & Diego to the list. The screenshots page is very nice as well -- my thanks to herlo and moixs for their work on that. The question now is: How do we drive as many people to that tour page as possible? When Red Hat releases its press blog, it would be nice to include a link to the tour. We should make the tour the focus of what we push out on Planet, and to the various news sites on Monday. A success metric would be having LWN link to that page in a "if you're waiting for F11 tomorrow, here's something to whet your appetite" kind of way, which they will only do if they find the content on that page (the interviews and podcasts) to be compelling to their audience. My recollection is that Marketing missed the Websites freeze to get a link to the Tour page on fp.org and get.fp.org -- that's something we definitely need to correct next time. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:34:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:34:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:44:22PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> I've been working on the Fedora 1 Tour page. Link is here: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour > > I think it looks good -- I made a few little tweaks, and I'm going to add > my podcast w/ Dimitris & Diego to the list. The screenshots page is very > nice as well -- my thanks to herlo and moixs for their work on that. > > The question now is: > > How do we drive as many people to that tour page as possible? When Red > Hat releases its press blog, it would be nice to include a link to the > tour. > > We should make the tour the focus of what we push out on Planet, and to > the various news sites on Monday. A success metric would be having LWN > link to that page in a "if you're waiting for F11 tomorrow, here's > something to whet your appetite" kind of way, which they will only do if > they find the content on that page (the interviews and podcasts) to be > compelling to their audience. > > My recollection is that Marketing missed the Websites freeze to get a > link to the Tour page on fp.org and get.fp.org -- that's something we > definitely need to correct next time. It also missed the freeze for the press.redhat.com blog entry, which had to go out for review early in the week. Nevertheless I'll see if we can get this inserted -- can't hurt to try. Jack, ensure you are capturing these scheduling needs, so that you can develop a marketing schedule with John Poelstra that shows these tasks and dependencies. It can be added to his TaskJuggler system, and calendar items can be derived from that. Other teams such as Design and Documentation arer doing the same for each release. By the way, I would argue that this tour subsumes any "release summary," and no additional document like that is needed. Developing too many release-specific pages not only makes maintenance a nightmare, but also ends up being very confusing to the teams trying to figure out what the difference is between them. I can only imagine how confused they make end-users. The tour is the right place for this high-level information. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 14:01:56 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:01:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A292554.60007@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > It also missed the freeze for the press.redhat.com blog entry, which > had to go out for review early in the week. Nevertheless I'll see if > we can get this inserted -- can't hurt to try. > Couldn't we have linked to it even though it wasn't in its final state at that point? The press blog stuff seems like it takes around two weeks to go through the hoops it needs anyway, which is more than enough time to submit stuff to them with links that aren't completed yet. Jack From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 14:09:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:09:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <4A292554.60007@redhat.com> References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> <4A292554.60007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090605140942.GD14154@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 10:01:56AM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> It also missed the freeze for the press.redhat.com blog entry, which >> had to go out for review early in the week. Nevertheless I'll see if >> we can get this inserted -- can't hurt to try. >> > Couldn't we have linked to it even though it wasn't in its final state at > that point? > > The press blog stuff seems like it takes around two weeks to go through > the hoops it needs anyway, which is more than enough time to submit stuff > to them with links that aren't completed yet. Sure, if someone had brought up the idea earlier, or if I had a time machine. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 15:01:31 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:01:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> <20090605131517.GW14154@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > By the way, I would argue that this tour subsumes any "release > summary," and no additional document like that is needed. I agree. I think this page does a good job of giving a tour/overview/summary. --Max From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 16:50:24 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:50:24 -0400 Subject: Plans for Monday and Release Day Message-ID: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> Hello All, Cross posting this to a couple of lists, so that we can mobilize as many people on the ground as possible. Tuesday is sure to be a very big day for all of us. I'm gonna try and lay out some of the activities that are being planned for Monday, to build buzz, and then for Tuesday, release day. If you have any comments, of course, please reply. *Monday, 15:00 UTC Time, 10:00AM Eastern Time * Start releasing some media, including a couple of interviews and the Fedora 11 Tour, which can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour I need a volunteer to submit it to the various social news sites, and then I will follow up and coordinate with people to digg it/pick it up/tag it, etc. **It is important that we all put in effort to take a couple minutes to participate in these things, because alot of effort goes into posting this stuff up and if we don't do it, its a tremendous missed opportunity to build buzz.** For all those involved in the News Distribution Network, or if you want to be involved, please help spread these around to sites in your native language and add news source to the list linked of the main page. A list is here is linked off the main page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network *Tuesday, 15:00 UTC Time, 10:00AM Eastern Time *Fedora 11 is released. Fedora News Distribution Network guys are supposed to spring into action. We have a press archive set up at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11 If you come across something interesting, whether in english, or whatever language is your preference, please feel free to add it there. This will be a great resource is tracking what press coverage looks like on release day, and the in the days afterwards, when people finally get F11 installed and up and running. Also, for the marketing and ambassadors teams, will be on irc all day long in #fedora-mktg, in constant contact, posting whatever we find on the net and paying attention to conversations taking place so that we can counteract as much FUD as possible. For anyone doing that, please be courteous in your replies, we are all representatives of the community and there is no reason to get involved in flame wars. Please add stuff, as I am sure there is more stuff to do. Otherwise, I wish everyone a good weekend and look forward to Tuesday which is going to be an awesome day. Jack From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 18:51:00 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Plans for Monday and Release Day In-Reply-To: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> References: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Cross posting this to a couple of lists, so that we can mobilize as > many people on the ground as possible. Trimming back down to just marketing. Everything you wrote looks pretty good. I'm curious to know what ended up happening w/ the twitter and identica account handoff, and if we have any specific strategies for what we might want to be saying there? By that I am really asking two questions: (1) How to most effectively use them on Monday and Tuesday -- real-time updates of statistics, announcing the instant that it's available, trying to gain followers like Ashton Kucher (and no, i don't care if I spelled his name wrong), etc. (2) Probably could be a nice topic for a marketing meeting, is what kind of larger strategy do we want to use for communicating messages out to people via those platforms? Thinking out loud, Max From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 19:16:55 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:16:55 -0400 Subject: Plans for Monday and Release Day In-Reply-To: References: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A296F27.4020105@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > By that I am really asking two questions: > > (1) How to most effectively use them on Monday and Tuesday -- > real-time updates of statistics, announcing the instant that it's > available, trying to gain followers like Ashton Kucher (and no, i > don't care if I spelled his name wrong), etc. I think the best way to use them is that any time there is some new significant information, to post them there. I'm not really familiar with identica, but its similar to twitter right? > (2) Probably could be a nice topic for a marketing meeting, is what > kind of larger strategy do we want to use for communicating messages > out to people via those platforms? We actually discussed this at the last meeting, but I cut the discussion short after 10 minutes or so, because its not a priority now, but something to talk about post-release. I think has to be part of the discussion of the overall reworking on Fedora Magazine and what part does social media play into all that. What does everyone else think? Thanks, Jack From bryanz1z at aim.com Sat Jun 6 03:32:04 2009 From: bryanz1z at aim.com (bryanz1z at aim.com) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:32:04 -0400 Subject: Plans for Monday and Release Day In-Reply-To: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> References: <4A294CD0.7090000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <8CBB46E7F195956-1018-D1B@WEBMAIL-MC17.sysops.aol.com> If you still need a volunteer,, i"ve more that happy to help. feel free to contact me back in any moment. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Aboutboul To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base ; fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com; For participants of the Documentation Project Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 9:50 am Subject: Plans for Monday and Release Day Hello All,? ? Cross posting this to a couple of lists, so that we can mobilize as many people on the ground as possible.? ? Tuesday is sure to be a very big day for all of us. I'm gonna try and lay out some of the activities that are being planned for Monday, to build buzz, and then for Tuesday, release day. If you have any comments, of course, please reply.? ? *Monday, 15:00 UTC Time, 10:00AM Eastern Time *? ? Start releasing some media, including a couple of interviews and the Fedora 11 Tour, which can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour? ? I need a volunteer to submit it to the various social news sites, and then I will follow up and coordinate with people to digg it/pick it up/tag it, etc. **It is important that we all put in effort to take a couple minutes to participate in these things, because alot of effort goes into posting this stuff up and if we don't do it, its a tremendous missed opportunity to build buzz.**? ? For all those involved in the News Distribution Network, or if you want to be involved, please help spread these around to sites in your native language and add news source to the list linked of the main page. A list is here is linked off the main page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network? ? *Tuesday, 15:00 UTC Time, 10:00AM Eastern Time? ? *Fedora 11 is released.? ? Fedora News Distribution Network guys are supposed to spring into action.? ? We have a press archive set up at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11? ? If you come across something interesting, whether in english, or whatever language is your preference, please feel free to add it there. This will be a great resource is tracking what press coverage looks like on release day, and the in the days afterwards, when people finally get F11 installed and up and running.? ? Also, for the marketing and ambassadors teams, will be on irc all day long in #fedora-mktg, in constant contact, posting whatever we find on the net and paying attention to conversations taking place so that we can counteract as much FUD as possible. For anyone doing that, please be courteous in your replies, we are all representatives of the community and there is no reason to get involved in flame wars.? ? Please add stuff, as I am sure there is more stuff to do. Otherwise, I wish everyone a good weekend and look forward to Tuesday which is going to be an awesome day.? ? Jack? ? -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list? Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com? https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 7 01:52:58 2009 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:52:58 -0400 Subject: Docs FAD at the Southeast Linuxfest Message-ID: Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC. We have 8 attendees listed thus far: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF And I am sure that we will have even more show up, and hopefully a few recruited the day before. We have a significant contingent of contributors that are unable to attend. We will use Docs Project's conference bridge (2008) on Fedora Talk to let those join the conversation. This is particularly important during the Docs Decisions for F12. Currently my proposed itinerary is: (times below are eastern) 9:00 AM - 10:30 AM - Docs Decisions for F12 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12 10:30 AM - 11:30 AM A non-translator's introduction to the POT/PO model 11:30 AM - Balance of the day working on zikula modules and getting packaging instruction from Ian Weller If there's demand, we'll get Paul to provide an introduction to DocBook. as well. If you don't like this schedule, please feel free to suggest changes If you are remotely interested in the Docs Project, and are in the southeast, please consider attending, it will be a huge benefit for you and the project. From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 16:16:36 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:16:36 +0200 Subject: FEL 11 Flyer for your release parties Message-ID: <50baabb30906070916x2c2ed08nb592d0ff16d84373@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Here is the flyer for FEL 11 that you can use during your future events. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/papers/fel-flyer-f11.pdf I would also appreciate if you can send it to your local universities or LUGs or any electronic engineers you know. Other publications with respect to FEL: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL#Publications Thank you, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 07:53:33 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:53:33 +0200 Subject: "EDA Installs, the Yum Way?" can this be possible ? Message-ID: <50baabb30906080053n220bcb9dk6cc9da495f28ea7a@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Below is a blog post of Will Partain from Verilab, he covered some important challenges of maintaining different versions of the same commercial software side by side. He talks about RPM and YUM and how big EDA Vendors can benefit with the already installed system libraries. Afterwards he points to Fedora's "alternatives system" to default an application from several valid alternatives as a possible example. http://blogs.verilab.com/partain/2009/06/eda-installs-the-yum-way.html There is a good example of this "alternatives system" here: http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/archives/6-Wednesday-Why-The-Alternatives-System.html Do you know any successful migration of commercial software deployment to YUM/RPM? Any URLs ? I know skype and acroread are available on their respective yum repositories. Chitlesh From nihedmm at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 14:23:13 2009 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (M'BAREK Nihed) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <990135193.1639725.1244470993557.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn07.prod> LinkedIn ------------ M'BAREK Nihed requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ S. M. 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Azam, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - M'BAREK > Hi, no problem. :) Regards, Filipe From ian at ianweller.org Mon Jun 8 16:58:28 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Picture book] New photo submission process Message-ID: <20090608165828.GG21015@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> In an attempt to undercomplicate things... You can upload your photos somewhere and hit either this list, design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org, or the talk page [1] with your link. Photos we're interested in using will then be uploaded to http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Picture%20Book/Photos/. 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Jack From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 8 17:33:25 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:33:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits Message-ID: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> Read the complete interview here: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-and-ext4-straight-bits.html Let's face it--We're addicted! To files that is. More importantly, we are addicted to the massively large and ever increasing storage devices upon which we store those files. Make no mistake though, like any addiction, storing content comes at a cost and usually those costs are paid at the filesystem level. We all want more space and we all want better performance when it comes to disk I/O and a junkie's wishlist never ends. Fedora 11, when released tomorrow, will be the first distribution to boast the inclusion of ext4, the latest incarnation in the extended file system family, as default. Ext4 brings with it support for larger filesystems, larger single file size and many improvements in almost every imaginable facet. Join me for an interview with Eric Sandeen, renown file system hacker, Red Hat Engineer and Fedora Contributor as he takes on a little trip down Filesystem Alley and explains what filesystems are, where did they come from, why should we care and why they along with Fedora 11 are prepping to take over the WOOOOORLD! From smcmackin at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 17:44:39 2009 From: smcmackin at gmail.com (Shannon McMackin) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:44:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits In-Reply-To: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> References: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> Message-ID: On 06/08/2009 01:33 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Read the complete interview here: > http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-and-ext4-straight-bits.html > > > Let's face it--We're addicted! To files that is. More importantly, we > are addicted to the massively large and ever increasing storage devices > upon which we store those files. Make no mistake though, like any > addiction, storing content comes at a cost and usually those costs are > paid at the filesystem level. We all want more space and we all want > better performance when it comes to disk I/O and a junkie's wishlist > never ends. > > Fedora 11, when released tomorrow, will be the first distribution to > boast the inclusion of ext4, the latest incarnation in the extended file > system family, as default. Ext4 brings with it support for larger > filesystems, larger single file size and many improvements in almost > every imaginable facet. Join me for an interview with Eric Sandeen, > renown file system hacker, Red Hat Engineer and Fedora Contributor as he > takes on a little trip down Filesystem Alley and explains what > filesystems are, where did they come from, why should we care and why > they along with Fedora 11 are prepping to take over the WOOOOORLD! > I don't mean to meddle here, but didn't Ubuntu have ext4 with their Jaunty Jackalope release? From kkmageshcse at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 17:55:24 2009 From: kkmageshcse at gmail.com (magesh) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:25:24 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <4A2D4A99.3060500@redhat.com> References: <4A2D4A99.3060500@redhat.com> Message-ID: > > > > I put up a little blurb on my blog pointing to the Fedora 11 tour. You can > find it at: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-tour.html > > Some nice bits of info and screen shots, multimedia, etc. to get people > pumped for tomorrow! > what happen to the fedora 11's fingerprint analysis and login(biometric login app) i dont see any screenshots of it is that feature removed? -- magesh Life is "just tryin out things to see if they work" http://magesh.geexhq.com/ http://twitter.com/mageshcse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkmageshcse at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 17:59:26 2009 From: kkmageshcse at gmail.com (magesh) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:29:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: References: <4A2D4A99.3060500@redhat.com> Message-ID: > >> >> I put up a little blurb on my blog pointing to the Fedora 11 tour. You >> can find it at: >> http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-tour.html >> >> Some nice bits of info and screen shots, multimedia, etc. to get people >> pumped for tomorrow! >> > > > what happen to the fedora 11's fingerprint analysis and login(biometric > login app) > i dont see any screenshots of it > > is that feature removed? > -- oops Sorry i missed it.. just now saw it as Fprint... sorry for the disturbance -- magesh Life is "just tryin out things to see if they work" http://magesh.geexhq.com/ http://twitter.com/mageshcse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora 11 will be the first to *have it by default*. ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From dbpatankar at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:29:24 2009 From: dbpatankar at gmail.com (Digvijay Patankar) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:59:24 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits In-Reply-To: <2d319b780906081121l1fa66a07o2def873137c6c647@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> <2d319b780906081121l1fa66a07o2def873137c6c647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes, I guess ext4 must be present in ubuntu but not as a default file system. Even F10 had ext4 (please varify) but not as a default. Now F11 will have it as a default FS. No other distro yet dare to include ext4 as default FS except F11. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > I don't mean to meddle here, but didn't Ubuntu have ext4 with their > Jaunty > > Jackalope release? > > Fedora 11 will not be the first to include ext4. Fedora 11 will be the > first to *have it by default*. > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 20:30:18 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:30:18 -0400 Subject: Docs FAD at the Southeast Linuxfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090608203018.GM6487@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 09:52:58PM -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the > Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC. > > We have 8 attendees listed thus far: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF > > And I am sure that we will have even more show up, and hopefully a few > recruited the day before. > > We have a significant contingent of contributors that are unable to > attend. We will use Docs Project's conference bridge (2008) on Fedora > Talk to let those join the conversation. This is particularly > important during the Docs Decisions for F12. > Currently my proposed itinerary is: (times below are eastern) > 9:00 AM - 10:30 AM - Docs Decisions for F12 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12 > 10:30 AM - 11:30 AM A non-translator's introduction to the POT/PO model > 11:30 AM - Balance of the day working on zikula modules and getting > packaging instruction from Ian Weller > > If there's demand, we'll get Paul to provide an introduction to > DocBook. as well. > > If you don't like this schedule, please feel free to suggest changes > > If you are remotely interested in the Docs Project, and are in the > southeast, please consider attending, it will be a huge benefit for > you and the project. When I look at the list of decision tasks, I think they may take longer than 90 minutes total. Other than that, no objections! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 21:09:34 2009 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:09:34 +0300 Subject: Fedora Project leader Paul W Frields talks with FLOSS Weekly In-Reply-To: <20090601134251.GN9001@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A228962.6030705@fedoraproject.org> <20090601134251.GN9001@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0906081409m748388d9t52e4d50fdfd32ac8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 07:12:58PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> http://twit.tv/floss71 >> >> "Paul W. Frields of the Fedora Project, the free and open source arm of >> the Red Hat Linux distribution. > > An unfortunate misnomer, but we should keep in mind that the FLOSS > Weekly audience is largely made up of people who are not using Linux, > and therefore not really interested in the dynamics of how our project > is related. ?I tried to explain this more clearly in the interview. > >> Paul W. Frields is the Chairman of the Fedora Project Board, and an >> employee of Red Hat. He works on documentation, release notes, >> marketing, and was a founding member of the Fedora Project Board." >> >> Blog post from Paul at >> >> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2481 > > These guys did a live interview on video, and I suppose it's floating > around somewhere on the site as well, or at least it was run a few > times before Saturday's posting of the audio podcast. ?Unfortunately > they aren't using FLOSS to do everything, but you can't really fault > the credentials of someone like Randal Schwartz, who's been an open > source advocate (cross-platform) for a long time. ?This was a great > show and from what I heard from Randal over the weekend they got a lot > of positive feedback about it. > Paul: I'm glad that the interview went well last week. I've been super-busy at work, so I just downloaded the audio file (mp3). Looking forward to hearing the whole show. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project (stealth mode) From scottt.tw at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 00:44:28 2009 From: scottt.tw at gmail.com (Scott Tsai) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: "EDA Installs, the Yum Way?" can this be possible ? References: <50baabb30906080053n220bcb9dk6cc9da495f28ea7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Do you know any successful migration of commercial software deployment > to YUM/RPM? Any URLs ? I know skype and acroread are available on their > respective yum repositories. Google have a yum repositories: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/yum.html Atmel also uses yum to distribute its AVR32 development tools: http://www.atmel.no/avr32/fedora/9/i386/ From angel at linux.org.bd Tue Jun 9 04:25:05 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:25:05 +0600 Subject: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits In-Reply-To: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> References: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> Message-ID: What about the data loss issues with delayed allocation of ext4? Afaik, a fix has been released also. Does tomorrow's release include them? Anyone can confirm? On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Read the complete interview here: > http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/06/fedora-11-and-ext4-straight-bits.html > > Let's face it--We're addicted! To files that is. More importantly, we are > addicted to the massively large and ever increasing storage devices upon > which we store those files. Make no mistake though, like any addiction, > storing content comes at a cost and usually those costs are paid at the > filesystem level. We all want more space and we all want better performance > when it comes to disk I/O and a junkie's wishlist never ends. > > Fedora 11, when released tomorrow, will be the first distribution to boast > the inclusion of ext4, the latest incarnation in the extended file system > family, as default. Ext4 brings with it support for larger filesystems, > larger single file size and many improvements in almost every imaginable > facet. 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Frields of the Fedora Project, the free and open source arm of > >> the Red Hat Linux distribution. > > > > An unfortunate misnomer, but we should keep in mind that the FLOSS > > Weekly audience is largely made up of people who are not using Linux, > > and therefore not really interested in the dynamics of how our project > > is related. I tried to explain this more clearly in the interview. > > > >> Paul W. Frields is the Chairman of the Fedora Project Board, and an > >> employee of Red Hat. He works on documentation, release notes, > >> marketing, and was a founding member of the Fedora Project Board." > >> > >> Blog post from Paul at > >> > >> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2481 > > > > These guys did a live interview on video, and I suppose it's floating > > around somewhere on the site as well, or at least it was run a few > > times before Saturday's posting of the audio podcast. Unfortunately > > they aren't using FLOSS to do everything, but you can't really fault > > the credentials of someone like Randal Schwartz, who's been an open > > source advocate (cross-platform) for a long time. This was a great > > show and from what I heard from Randal over the weekend they got a lot > > of positive feedback about it. > > > > Paul: > > I'm glad that the interview went well last week. > > I've been super-busy at work, so I just downloaded the audio file > (mp3). Looking forward to hearing the whole show. > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project (stealth mode) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- jkflska: Thanking you, Rashadul Islam ----------------------------------------- Email: irashadul at gmail.com Asterisk Ext.: 5102452 GPG Key: 5557BFAC Web: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irashadul at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 07:03:48 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:03:48 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project leader Paul W Frields talks with FLOSS Weekly In-Reply-To: <17fa59580906090002q123b602cqc8e9e04334224f75@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A228962.6030705@fedoraproject.org> <20090601134251.GN9001@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0906081409m748388d9t52e4d50fdfd32ac8@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906090002q123b602cqc8e9e04334224f75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580906090003s5762bb8j9e4e56d38da66a02@mail.gmail.com> indeed *an impressive interview. Paul always rock at the interview. Great to follow. sorry about the last mistake. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Rashadul Islam wrote: > indeed a impressive interview. Paul always rock at the interview. Great to > follow. > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John Babich wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul W. Frields >> wrote: >> > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 07:12:58PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> http://twit.tv/floss71 >> >> >> >> "Paul W. Frields of the Fedora Project, the free and open source arm of >> >> the Red Hat Linux distribution. >> > >> > An unfortunate misnomer, but we should keep in mind that the FLOSS >> > Weekly audience is largely made up of people who are not using Linux, >> > and therefore not really interested in the dynamics of how our project >> > is related. I tried to explain this more clearly in the interview. >> > >> >> Paul W. Frields is the Chairman of the Fedora Project Board, and an >> >> employee of Red Hat. He works on documentation, release notes, >> >> marketing, and was a founding member of the Fedora Project Board." >> >> >> >> Blog post from Paul at >> >> >> >> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2481 >> > >> > These guys did a live interview on video, and I suppose it's floating >> > around somewhere on the site as well, or at least it was run a few >> > times before Saturday's posting of the audio podcast. Unfortunately >> > they aren't using FLOSS to do everything, but you can't really fault >> > the credentials of someone like Randal Schwartz, who's been an open >> > source advocate (cross-platform) for a long time. This was a great >> > show and from what I heard from Randal over the weekend they got a lot >> > of positive feedback about it. >> > >> >> Paul: >> >> I'm glad that the interview went well last week. >> >> I've been super-busy at work, so I just downloaded the audio file >> (mp3). Looking forward to hearing the whole show. >> >> John Babich >> Volunteer, Fedora Project (stealth mode) >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 07:27:33 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:27:33 +0200 Subject: "EDA Installs, the Yum Way?" can this be possible ? In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30906080053n220bcb9dk6cc9da495f28ea7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30906090027q69f7225bs4becce7b02eb1f90@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Scott Tsai wrote: > Atmel also uses yum to distribute its AVR32 development tools: > http://www.atmel.no/avr32/fedora/9/i386/ Thanks Scott, I knew some of Atmel's engineers run fedora at work, however I was not aware that Atmel had a yum repo. Chitlesh From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:41:39 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:41:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour In-Reply-To: <836262.98515.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4A28898C.9070505@redhat.com> <836262.98515.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090609144139.GB12907@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:52:26AM -0700, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Is Fedora Community considered an F11 feature? > > If so, I have bling you could link to: a two-part podcast [1] & a > screenshot tour of Fedora Community [2]. I added the podcasts to the page -- as for the screenshot tour, I'm worried about smashing the server on which J5 and Luke are currently working, so I didn't link that. We can add it once the app is deployed where the load is handled better, though. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From giallu at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:53:30 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:53:30 +0200 Subject: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits In-Reply-To: References: <4A2D4B65.7090909@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > What about the data loss issues with delayed allocation of ext4? Afaik, a > fix has been released also. Does tomorrow's release include them? Anyone can > confirm? Yes, fixes for those were backported form 2.6.30 into F11 kernel: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11#I_heard_about_data_loss_issues_with_delayed_allocation_and_patches_for_that._Does_Fedora_include_them.3F -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 15:01:45 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:01:45 -0400 Subject: Happy Release Day! Message-ID: <4A2E7959.1030008@redhat.com> Hey All, Happy Release Day everybody! Thanks to the whole team for all the great work everyone has contributed over the last few months. I am proud to be part of the team. For anyone involved in release day activities, we will be online in #fedora-mktg on irc all day long. Please try and monitor sites in your native language(s) and try to dispell as much FUD as possible in a professional manner. I'm currently involved in this myself. We will be having a meeting today as well details on that in the next email! Jack From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 16:04:02 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:04:02 -0400 Subject: Official Digg Link Message-ID: <4A2E87F2.6020309@redhat.com> http://digg.com/d1tM7c Fedora 11: Leonidas Begins it's Reign. Digg it! From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 16:09:32 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:09:32 -0400 Subject: Official Digg Link In-Reply-To: <4A2E87F2.6020309@redhat.com> References: <4A2E87F2.6020309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A2E893C.3090101@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > http://digg.com/d1tM7c > > Fedora 11: Leonidas Begins it's Reign. > > Digg it! > Use this too: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_11_Leonidas_Begins_it_s_Reign From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 16:44:10 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:44:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora Release Day Meeting TODAY @ 20.00UTC/4EDT/1PDT Message-ID: <4A2E915A.2090606@redhat.com> Release Day meeting happening today at out usual time. I would really like to just get a brief overview of what I've been doing and others today to help spread the news and try and put that into a plan for the future. Plus, there's beer! See you in #fedora-meeting in a few hours! Jack From giallu at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:24:40 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:24:40 +0200 Subject: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown Message-ID: Are we going to collect review links? if so, I'd start with the one from The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/fedora_11_review "I would definitely recommend Fedora 11 to anyone using 10, but think it might also be a nice alternative for those growing tired of Ubuntu or just looking to play around with a new Linux distro." -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 21:27:25 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2ED3BD.3010305@redhat.com> Gianluca Sforna wrote: > Are we going to collect review links? if so, I'd start with the one > from The Register: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/fedora_11_review > > "I would definitely recommend Fedora 11 to anyone using 10, but think > it might also be a nice alternative for those growing tired of Ubuntu > or just looking to play around with a new Linux distro." > > I am adding stuff as well everyone should be to here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11 Jack From dezone at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 00:04:02 2009 From: dezone at fedoraproject.org (Diego Escobar) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:04:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora How To: Learning Fedora 11 Message-ID: Hi all: Now its available the updated guide for Fedora 11 "Aprende Fedora 11" (Learning Fedora 11) As you now, this guide is in spanish and is part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people. This is the third edition, and its designed for newbies Linux and Fedora's users. From installation to desktop customization in a simple guide. What is new? - Desktop Guide. - KDE Support. - Learn to use Yum. - Instant Messaging on Fedora - More tips for customize Fedora. - Power managment on Fedora and more. Download and official announce: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/2009/06/09/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-11/(Spanish) I will work on a English version as you told me last edition. Cooming soon!!! Suggestions (Feedback) are welcome. -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 11 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.29 + KDE 4.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed Jun 10 06:04:41 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:04:41 +0200 Subject: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2F4CF9.40500@axianet.ch> Hello, Thanks, please update the press archive page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive Steven On 06/09/2009 11:24 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > Are we going to collect review links? if so, I'd start with the one > from The Register: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/fedora_11_review > > "I would definitely recommend Fedora 11 to anyone using 10, but think > it might also be a nice alternative for those growing tired of Ubuntu > or just looking to play around with a new Linux distro." > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 08:59:41 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:29:41 +0530 Subject: Red Hat goes one louder with Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A2F75FD.601@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/redhat_fedora_11/ "The new release has incremental improvements to lots of features, much as prior Linuxes have had, and the fact that there are no earth-shattering feature changes is really a testament to the fact that the Linux kernel and its related systems software and application stack" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 09:03:51 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:33:51 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 packs a next-gen file system, faster boot times, all the joys and pitfalls of Linux Message-ID: <4A2F76F7.4080908@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/09/fedora-11-packs-a-next-gen-file-system-faster-boot-times-all-t/ "Linux just gets sexier and sexier, and Fedora 11 is released. Fedora ... does act as the underpinnings of Intel's Moblin, and the Sugar OS, and doesn't shy away from the future. Fedora 11 makes the bleeding edge ext4 filesystem the default for installs, which speeds performance and improves data integrity" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 10 12:29:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:59:30 +0530 Subject: Red Hat's Fedora 11: So easy you'll forget it's Linux Message-ID: <4A2FA72A.8060102@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10260478-16.html "Reading through Fedora 11's feature list, the geek in you may get giddy seeing the use of ext4 as the default file system. Not me. I don't care about the underpinnings of the operating system. I just want it to work. This is, in fact, Fedora 11's biggest selling point: it just works. And fast, too: from powering on to logging in takes 20 seconds or less. Beat that, Windows!" Rahul From mr.verdant at hotmail.com Wed Jun 10 18:02:00 2009 From: mr.verdant at hotmail.com (Desi Verdant) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:02:00 +0000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Desi Verdant Message-ID: Desi Verdant. Saint lucia, Castries. Just Left School. Golfinst Inc. To become one of the developers of the OS. The improvements on fedora and learing codes. I would like to see fedora as the #1 OS in the world. I would like to learn 6-9 coding languages to help fedora out more. Done allot on marketing for 2 companies. Marketing Scn productions and Golfinst Inc. Music studio and Website Development I would say i am 7/10 in marketing cause i never did international companies only local. I am a computer geek, I know alot about systems etc. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. 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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > NOTE: When replying to digest messages, please set the subject to match the > original message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Official Digg Link (Jack Aboutboul) > 2. Re: Official Digg Link (Jack Aboutboul) > 3. Fedora Release Day Meeting TODAY @ 20.00UTC/4EDT/1PDT > (Jack Aboutboul) > 4. Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown (Gianluca Sforna) > 5. Re: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown (Jack Aboutboul) > 6. Fedora How To: Learning Fedora 11 (Diego Escobar) > 7. Re: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown (Steven Moix) > 8. Red Hat goes one louder with Fedora 11 (Rahul Sundaram) > 9. Fedora 11 packs a next-gen file system, faster boot times, > all the joys and pitfalls of Linux (Rahul Sundaram) > 10. Red Hat's Fedora 11: So easy you'll forget it's Linux > (Rahul Sundaram) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:04:02 -0400 > From: Jack Aboutboul > Subject: Official Digg Link > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > , > fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, fedora-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <4A2E87F2.6020309 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > http://digg.com/d1tM7c > > Fedora 11: Leonidas Begins it's Reign. > > Digg it! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:09:32 -0400 > From: Jack Aboutboul > Subject: Re: Official Digg Link > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Cc: fedora-list at redhat.com, fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <4A2E893C.3090101 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > http://digg.com/d1tM7c > > > > Fedora 11: Leonidas Begins it's Reign. > > > > Digg it! > > > Use this too: > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_11_Leonidas_Begins_it_s_Reign > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:44:10 -0400 > From: Jack Aboutboul > Subject: Fedora Release Day Meeting TODAY @ 20.00UTC/4EDT/1PDT > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: <4A2E915A.2090606 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Release Day meeting happening today at out usual time. > > I would really like to just get a brief overview of what I've been doing > and others today to help spread the news and try and put that into a > plan for the future. > > Plus, there's beer! > > See you in #fedora-meeting in a few hours! > > Jack > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:24:40 +0200 > From: Gianluca Sforna > Subject: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Are we going to collect review links? if so, I'd start with the one > from The Register: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/fedora_11_review > > "I would definitely recommend Fedora 11 to anyone using 10, but think > it might also be a nice alternative for those growing tired of Ubuntu > or just looking to play around with a new Linux distro." > > -- > Gianluca Sforna > > http://morefedora.blogspot.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:25 -0400 > From: Jack Aboutboul > Subject: Re: Fedora 11 leaps into filesystem unknown > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > , > fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <4A2ED3BD.3010305 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > Are we going to collect review links? if so, I'd start with the one > > from The Register: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/fedora_11_review > > > > "I would definitely recommend Fedora 11 to anyone using 10, but think > > it might also be a nice alternative for those growing tired of Ubuntu > > or just looking to play around with a new Linux distro." > > > > > I am adding stuff as well everyone should be to here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11 > > Jack > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:04:02 -0500 > From: Diego Escobar > Subject: Fedora How To: Learning Fedora 11 > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, For discussions about > marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all: > > Now its available the updated guide for Fedora 11 "Aprende Fedora 11" > (Learning Fedora 11) > > As you now, this guide is in spanish and is part of spread Fedora on Latam > and spanish speakers people. This is the third edition, and its designed > for > newbies Linux and Fedora's users. From installation to desktop > customization > in a simple guide. > > What is new? > > > - Desktop Guide. > - KDE Support. > - Learn to use Yum. > - Instant Messaging on Fedora > - More tips for customize Fedora. > - Power managment on Fedora and more. > > > Download and official announce: > > > http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/2009/06/09/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-11/(Spanish) > > I will work on a English version as you told me last edition. Cooming > soon!!! 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Fedora > ... does act as the underpinnings of Intel's Moblin, and the Sugar OS, > and doesn't shy away from the future. Fedora 11 makes the bleeding edge > ext4 filesystem the default for installs, which speeds performance and > improves data integrity" > > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:59:30 +0530 > From: Rahul Sundaram > Subject: Red Hat's Fedora 11: So easy you'll forget it's Linux > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > , lwn at lwn.net, Ladislav > Bodnar > , editors at lxer.com, Chris > , news at phoronix.com > Message-ID: <4A2FA72A.8060102 at fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10260478-16.html > > "Reading through Fedora 11's feature list, the geek in you may get giddy > seeing the use of ext4 as the default file system. Not me. I don't care > about the underpinnings of the operating system. I just want it to work. > > This is, in fact, Fedora 11's biggest selling point: it just works. And > fast, too: from powering on to logging in takes 20 seconds or less. Beat > that, Windows!" > > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > End of Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 11 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 11 05:50:01 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:20:01 +0530 Subject: Linux 2.6.30 Gets Faster Boot Message-ID: <4A309B09.3050006@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3824421 "According to Red Hat, there is a difference between the aims and process of the new mainline Linux kernel's fastboot -- which was contributed to the community by Intel -- and the approach to faster startups taken in Fedora 11. "They're solving a different set of problems," Fedora kernel maintainer Dave Jones told InternetNews.com. "The Fedora work has been almost entirely done by improving init scripts in userspace, and by making applications more intelligent about the I/O they are doing." Jones adds that the fastboot patches are valuable, but there larger problems remain in userspace that can be addressed in Fedora." Rahul From steven.moix at axianet.ch Thu Jun 11 11:52:40 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:52:40 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-06-09 IRC Log Message-ID: <4A30F008.1040107@axianet.ch> Here is the log for this week's marketing meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-06-09 Steven From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:45:55 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:45:55 -0400 Subject: Linux 2.6.30 Gets Faster Boot In-Reply-To: <4A309B09.3050006@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A309B09.3050006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090611124555.GI3389@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:20:01AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3824421 > > "According to Red Hat, there is a difference between the aims and > process of the new mainline Linux kernel's fastboot -- which was > contributed to the community by Intel -- and the approach to faster > startups taken in Fedora 11. > > "They're solving a different set of problems," Fedora kernel maintainer > Dave Jones told InternetNews.com. "The Fedora work has been almost > entirely done by improving init scripts in userspace, and by making > applications more intelligent about the I/O they are doing." > > Jones adds that the fastboot patches are valuable, but there larger > problems remain in userspace that can be addressed in Fedora." I suggested that they refer to Dave as "bit-wrangling deity," but was ignored. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:06:49 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: From the desk of Jim Whitehurst... Message-ID: <20090611140649.GO3389@localhost.localdomain> http://press.redhat.com/2009/06/11/fedora-11-%e2%80%93-wow/ The URL above links to a wonderful note from Jim Whitehurst, President and CEO of Red Hat, congratulating the community on the release of Fedora 11. I think it's fantastic that Fedora gets such solid support from the very top ranks at Red Hat, directly on the company's press site. One thing that is always in the back of my head, as we work through all the various release bits, is that I know on release day Red Hat's CEO -- just like thousands of other people -- is going to download Fedora and take it for a ride. Although Jim singled out some specific areas in his blog that immediately impressed him about Fedora 11, from our phone conversations I know that he's very proud of the work every team in Fedora does. He is genuinely passionate about Fedora, and that's due to *your* superb efforts as part of our large extended family of contributors. Thanks to all of you for making this release such an incredible experience. I hope you enjoy Fedora 11 too, and I'm very excited about working with all of you on Fedora 12! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jun 11 14:12:17 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:12:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 11 - Wow! Message-ID: http://press.redhat.com/2009/06/11/fedora-11-%E2%80%93-wow/ by Jim Whitehurst, President and CEO of Red Hat "I?d like to think I?m pretty tech savvy for a CEO and have always been an early adopter of the latest and greatest tech innovations. It comes as no shock to those who know me well that I spent yesterday evening taking Fedora 11 for a test drive. I?m not ashamed to admit that I count down the days until the latest release of Fedora comes out with the same level of anticipation that my kids have when they know their birthday is coming up soon. As the title of this blog notes, one word sums up my Fedora 11 experience ? wow!!!" From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 11 21:05:59 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:35:59 +0530 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock Message-ID: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org> Hi Seems the reviewer hit one of the installer bugs. The storage layer rewrite did pop out quite a lot of bugs. Most of them were fixed before release but some still linger. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/06/hands-on-new-fedora-release-goes-up-to-11-but-doesnt-rock.ars "The poor installation experience and a number of other minor bugs that I encountered (weird SELinux error messages that appear after the screensaver is deactivated, for example) prevent me from giving Fedora 11 the strong endorsement that I have typically given to new Fedora releases in the past. The delays simply weren't sufficient to address all of the problems before launch. For users who don't mind roughing it and enduring the weaknesses, Fedora 11 does have a lot to offer under the surface." Rahul From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 01:59:43 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:59:43 -0700 Subject: Attendees needed for Fedora 11 Retrospective on Tuesday June 16, 2009 @ 14:00 UTC Message-ID: <4A31B68F.5000800@redhat.com> Hi Marketing Team, At your earliest convenience please fill the name of the additional person from your team that would like to attend the Fedora 11 Retrospective. This meeting will be a conference call to talk about the good and not so good of the Fedora 11 release cycle in with the hope that we can make Fedora 12 even better! If the team lead is not able to attend please substitute another person on the sign-up page below so that there are two people from each team. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective Thanks, John From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 05:19:18 2009 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:49:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] From the desk of Jim Whitehurst... In-Reply-To: <20090611140649.GO3389@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090611140649.GO3389@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5ac533d50906112219w9bfdfcctb896d75c8abaae23@mail.gmail.com> jim whitehurst doesnt need to download the whole 3.5 gb iso arnav kalra (fedora inside) On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://press.redhat.com/2009/06/11/fedora-11-%e2%80%93-wow/ > > The URL above links to a wonderful note from Jim Whitehurst, President > and CEO of Red Hat, congratulating the community on the release of > Fedora 11. I think it's fantastic that Fedora gets such solid support > from the very top ranks at Red Hat, directly on the company's press > site. One thing that is always in the back of my head, as we work > through all the various release bits, is that I know on release day > Red Hat's CEO -- just like thousands of other people -- is going to > download Fedora and take it for a ride. > > Although Jim singled out some specific areas in his blog that > immediately impressed him about Fedora 11, from our phone > conversations I know that he's very proud of the work every team in > Fedora does. He is genuinely passionate about Fedora, and that's due > to *your* superb efforts as part of our large extended family of > contributors. > > Thanks to all of you for making this release such an incredible > experience. I hope you enjoy Fedora 11 too, and I'm very excited > about working with all of you on Fedora 12! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at fedoraunity.org Fri Jun 12 11:58:10 2009 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ambassadors] From the desk of Jim Whitehurst... In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50906112219w9bfdfcctb896d75c8abaae23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22211689.48791244807890579.JavaMail.root@zimbra.cbccgroup.com> ----- "Arnav Kalra" wrote: > jim whitehurst doesnt need to download the whole 3.5 gb iso > arnav kalra (fedora inside) > What is your point? - Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob at fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ujjwol at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 14:43:54 2009 From: ujjwol at fedoraproject.org (Ujjwol Lamichhane) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:28:54 +0545 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com> completely agree on poor installation. the anaconda bug prevented me from marketing fedora 11 it didn;'t work in more than 4 computers due to the nasty anaconda bug... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From installation to desktop customization > in a simple guide. > > What is new? > > > - Desktop Guide. > - KDE Support. > - Learn to use Yum. > - Instant Messaging on Fedora > - More tips for customize Fedora. > - Power managment on Fedora and more. > > > Download and official announce: > > > http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/2009/06/09/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-11/(Spanish) > > I will work on a English version as you told me last edition. Cooming > soon!!! Suggestions (Feedback) are welcome. > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 11 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.29 + KDE 4.2 > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 11 (Leonidas): Linux Kernel 2.6.29 + KDE 4.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 16:07:01 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:07:01 +0200 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org> <775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> > I too agree. > > Sorry to say but still it works like a beta release for me!!!!!! > > There are lot of things need to be addressed. I suppose you reported the bugs before Fedora 11 was released, so that the issues could have a chance to be fixed in time ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From cfikes at fikesmedia.com Fri Jun 12 16:10:59 2009 From: cfikes at fikesmedia.com (Christopher Fikes) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:10:59 +0000 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: <2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org><775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com><2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It wouldn't be too dificult to release an updated iso with the appropriate patches would it? Christopher Fikes cfikes at fikesmedia.com 409.291.4225 (VoiceMail) Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:07:01 To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock > I too agree. > > Sorry to say but still it works like a beta release for me!!!!!! > > There are lot of things need to be addressed. I suppose you reported the bugs before Fedora 11 was released, so that the issues could have a chance to be fixed in time ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 16:11:05 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:11:05 -0400 Subject: Attendees needed for Fedora 11 Retrospective on Tuesday June 16, 2009 @ 14:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4A31B68F.5000800@redhat.com> References: <4A31B68F.5000800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A327E19.4030904@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Hi Marketing Team, > > At your earliest convenience please fill the name of the additional > person from your team that would like to attend the Fedora 11 > Retrospective. This meeting will be a conference call to talk about > the good and not so good of the Fedora 11 release cycle in with the > hope that we can make Fedora 12 even better! > > If the team lead is not able to attend please substitute another > person on the sign-up page below so that there are two people from > each team. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective I am adding myself and Steven Moix. Jack From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 16:14:13 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:14:13 +0200 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org> <775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2d319b780906120914j5dc4a532tab6c65d6f068a9d1@mail.gmail.com> > It wouldn't be too dificult to release an updated iso with the appropriate patches would it? That's what Fedora Unity does with their respins. ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 12 16:14:18 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:44:18 +0530 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org><775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com><2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A327EDA.8020801@fedoraproject.org> On 06/12/2009 09:40 PM, Christopher Fikes wrote: > It wouldn't be too dificult to release an updated iso with the appropriate patches would it? Anaconda doesn't get any updates post-release within the same branch so that's a bit tricky. I suppose Fedora Unity folks would do some re-spins. Instead of waiting till the final release, it would be useful for people to test the pre-releases and help in avoiding these issues in the first place. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 16:22:17 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:22:17 -0400 Subject: FEEDBACK: How did we do for F11? Message-ID: <4A3280B9.6080801@redhat.com> Hello Everyone, I am writing up a somewhat brief retrospective on the activities of the Marketing team for the F11 cycle. My hopes are that we can analyze our process and timelines and find places where can optimize or do things differently. I want to include thoughts from everyone in marketing as well, because I don't think it should include only my opinion(s). I would appreciate if we could all participate. How did we, as a team do for F11? What things did we do well? What things can we do better? Should we change anything? Is there anything that we could be doing that we are not? Any other thoughts? Thanks, Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Fri Jun 12 16:57:17 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:57:17 +0200 Subject: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock In-Reply-To: <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4A3171B7.1010908@fedoraproject.org><775aa32d0906120743y7d75c737i66c6b98f80109c4d@mail.gmail.com><2d319b780906120907lde9edc4l8939076b99f14114@mail.gmail.com> <1084122089-1244823027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816927584-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A3288ED.1020001@axianet.ch> On 06/12/2009 06:10 PM, Christopher Fikes wrote: > It wouldn't be too dificult to release an updated iso with the appropriate patches would it? That's why the Fedora Unity project exists, and people like Jeroen Van Meeuwen produce wonderful software like Revisor. You very probably won't see an updated "officiel" release, this was always the policy. Steven From eric at christensenplace.us Fri Jun 12 17:43:58 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:43:58 -0400 Subject: Docs FAD at the Southeast Linuxfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1244828638.4841.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 21:52 -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the > Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC. I just updated the wiki page[1] to include the communication specifics during FAD at SELF. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF_2009 Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry Cafiero On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: > On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 21:52 -0400, David Nalley wrote: > > Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the > > Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC. > > I just updated the wiki page[1] to include the communication specifics > during FAD at SELF. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF_2009 > > Eric > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Are we > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 12 22:17:46 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:17:46 -0400 Subject: FEEDBACK: How did we do for F11? In-Reply-To: <4A3280B9.6080801@redhat.com> References: <4A3280B9.6080801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A32D40A.1020504@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am writing up a somewhat brief retrospective on the activities of > the Marketing team for the F11 cycle. My hopes are that we can > analyze our process and timelines and find places where can optimize > or do things differently. I want to include thoughts from everyone in > marketing as well, because I don't think it should include only my > opinion(s). I would appreciate if we could all participate. I've been working on a draft on my end since yesterday, so I will share this with you. I hope to have it for Tuesday for the retrospection meeting with John Poelstra, and for our Marketing meeting, which means I would like to wrap it up on Monday to show other people. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F11_cycle_retrospect Please add to this and also we can discuss parts on the mailing list if people like. Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 13 05:06:16 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:36:16 +0530 Subject: What's new in Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A3333C8.6060603@fedoraproject.org> Hi A very detailed review of Fedora 11 http://www.h-online.com/open/What-s-new-in-Fedora-11--/features/113509/0 "It's not just the new design and updated software that brings a sparkle to the eleventh version of Fedora (Leonidas), there are also a whole raft of technical enhancements. Fedora once again finds itself in the vanguard ? expect to see many of these changes coming to other Linux distributions in the near future" Rahul From dilipkhanolkar at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 13 08:13:14 2009 From: dilipkhanolkar at fedoraproject.org (dilip khanolkar) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:43:14 +0530 Subject: What's new in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A3333C8.6060603@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A3333C8.6060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9ca074ea0906130113u754ecd4y1c08a0104038848a@mail.gmail.com> Fedora 11 has shown a lot of things which will surely be coming in other distributions in the next releases. I am highly eager & cant wait to test FC 12. The differences between FC 10 & FC 11 are just amazingly different from other distributions. Regards, Dilip Khanolkar On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > A very detailed review of Fedora 11 > > http://www.h-online.com/open/What-s-new-in-Fedora-11--/features/113509/0 > > "It's not just the new design and updated software that brings a sparkle > to the eleventh version of Fedora (Leonidas), there are also a whole > raft of technical enhancements. Fedora once again finds itself in the > vanguard ? expect to see many of these changes coming to other Linux > distributions in the near future" > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Jun 13 09:03:31 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:03:31 +0200 Subject: FEEDBACK: How did we do for F11? In-Reply-To: <4A32D40A.1020504@redhat.com> References: <4A3280B9.6080801@redhat.com> <4A32D40A.1020504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A336B63.2090309@axianet.ch> On 06/13/2009 12:17 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F11_cycle_retrospect > > Please add to this and also we can discuss parts on the mailing list if > people like. I added some points about the NDN: For the Fedora 11 cycle, the NDN didn't perform as well as expected, it was a first try after all. I can point out 3 principal problems: 1) The motivation of the NDN people, some languages did perform much better than others: - Some people who joined the NDN are clearly not motivated anymore (or never were). We had a "please get my language on the list" effect without much motivation behind. - I'm going to e-mail each member of the NDN to see if it's the case, and look for fresh blood. - Having 2+ people responsible for each language was also a "bad" idea, as I feared, it dilutes the sense of responsibility. One motivated person is the way to go IMO. 2) Getting feedback from the NDN people: - This goes with the precedent point, if we have motivated people, we get feedback. 3) The translation process wasn't optimal at all for the release announcement, the idea of translating important announcements in all the languages was an epic fail for some reasons: - The translation team has other more important things to do than translate marketing stuff. - People of the NDN are not comfortable with pre-formatted texts. What we should do is just publish a news in English, then it's free for all to write a story in their respective languages, without constraints. That's more or less what happened for the F11 release anyway. Sounds harsh? Well, I'm trying to be realistic so we can correct these problems. It's also "my" failure :) Other than that, we did pretty well compared to older Fedora releases! The F11 Tour page is a FANTASTIC tool that MANY websites linked to. It really gives user a global overview of the product. The podcasts were the other strong point. Having "technical" podcasts as well as more generic interviews (with Leo Laporte) generated a lot of enthusiasm. Have a nice day Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 13 14:11:14 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:41:14 +0530 Subject: First Look: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A33B382.7080306@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Look-Fedora-11-114043.shtml "Fedora 11 gives you multiple installation options: either use existing partitions, wipe everything and use the entire disk, or install the system side by side with one that's already on the HDD. I chose to use the entire drive and, after Fedora 11 finished setting up the partitions (which, by the way, were EXT4-formatted by default), the installation started. Five minutes later the process was completed and, honestly, this has to be the fastest operating system I've installed in a long time." Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Sat Jun 13 17:44:48 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:44:48 -0400 Subject: Tomorrow's FAD Start Time Message-ID: Any complaints to starting tomorrow's FAD at 9A (EDT) versus 10A? Eric From tuanta at iwayvietnam.com Sun Jun 14 04:40:43 2009 From: tuanta at iwayvietnam.com (Truong Anh. Tuan) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:40:43 +0700 (ICT) Subject: Fedora 11 Release Party in Hanoi, Vietnam In-Reply-To: <17014720.241244954252568.JavaMail.tuanta@tuanta.iwayvietnam.com> Message-ID: <20835342.261244954441214.JavaMail.tuanta@tuanta.iwayvietnam.com> Dear my friends at Fedora Ambassadors et all, The Release Party was taken in Hanoi, Vietnam. It was really good with beer, coffee, tee, bread, etc. and a Fedora cake. About 30 people in the community (HanoiLUG), SMEs, etc. and even a man from our ministry of science and technology were attended. In a short presentation, my staff presented some new features of Fedora 11, especially related to security and performance. Of course, the innovative view of Fedora is also discussed much. Everyone got a LiveCD and I believe that they would try it immediately. Please see some pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/iwayvietnam/Fedora11ReleaseParty Hope to see all Release parties allover the world. Kind regards, Truong Anh Tuan Vietnam Fedora Ambassador Email/SIP: tuanta at fedoraproject.org Email2: tatuan at gmail.com http://blog.iwayvietnam.com/tuanta/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 14 18:58:00 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:28:00 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 on a Macbook Message-ID: <4A354838.6090802@fedoraproject.org> Hi Seemed a informative blog post http://www.cenolan.com/2009/06/installing-fedora-11-on-a-macbook/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 04:35:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:05:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 mini review Message-ID: <4A35CF85.6020404@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.jepoirrier.net/blog/2009/06/fedora-11/ "Finally, if I have to summarize the experience with this Fedora 11 so far, it will be: smooth installation, up-to-date software, no surprise, ready to work after 1 day (I had to play with nearly all the new toys inside). I think GNU/Linux is really ready for the desktop :-)" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 04:42:04 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:12:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11's Biggest Improvements Are In Virtualization, eWEEK Labs Finds Message-ID: <4A35D11C.3060803@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Fedora-11s-Biggest-Improvements-Are-In-Virtualization-eWEEK-Labs-Finds-301190/ "When deployed alongside a Kerberos server, such as Red Hat's FreeIPA server, this SASL functionality can allow for encrypted, authenticated, single-sign-on-enabled remote access to VMs. Fedora 11 taps its SELinux security framework to enforce isolation of running VMs, using the framework's MCS (Multi Category System) policy. This support builds on the MCS-based isolation between guest and host that debuted in Fedora 10. During tests, I created a pair of VMs on my Fedora 11 test box, and could see in my process monitor that the security context information for each running VM process included unique category attributes, as did the virtual disk image files that corresponded to each VM." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 04:45:34 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:15:34 +0530 Subject: Fedora is concerned about Mono Message-ID: <4A35D1EE.5090507@fedoraproject.org> Hi Fedora 12 includes Gnote by default FYI http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/06/fedora-is-concerned-about-mono.html "We haven't come to a legal conclusion that is pat enough for us to make the decision to take mono out," (Paul) Frields (Fedora Project Leader) said. "Right now we're in a status quo. Gnote is a relatively recent development and unfortunately was too late in the Fedora 11 development cycle to include by default." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 04:48:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:18:05 +0530 Subject: First Look: Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A35D285.6030207@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://shaz3e.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-look-fedora-11.html "If you are a fan, go ahead and upgrade, there's no reason to stick with Fedora 10. A faster boot, the Automatic Fonts & MIME Installer or the Yum Presto plugin may be enough incentives to give Leonidas a spin." Rahul From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 06:31:32 2009 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:01:32 +0530 Subject: f11 retrospective Message-ID: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> i heard that there is some thing like service pack in fedora . so why dont we release f11 sp2 before july and push that update to all servers arnav kalra (fedora inside) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irashadul at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 06:35:00 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:35:00 -0700 Subject: f11 retrospective In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> if its is? Then why we doing so? Can we know details about this? More than, the name should be different from MS name? :) On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Arnav Kalra wrote: > i heard that there is some thing like service pack in fedora . so why dont > we release f11 sp2 before july and push that update to all servers > arnav kalra (fedora inside) > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Thanking you, Rashadul Islam ----------------------------------------- Email: irashadul at gmail.com GPG Key: 5557BFAC Web: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 06:42:23 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:12:23 +0530 Subject: f11 retrospective In-Reply-To: <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 23:35 -0700, Rashadul Islam wrote: > if its is? Then why we doing so? Can we know details about this? > > More than, the name should be different from MS name? :) > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Arnav Kalra > wrote: > i heard that there is some thing like service pack in > fedora . so why dont we release f11 sp2 before july and push > that update to all servers > arnav kalra (fedora inside) > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > > Thanking you, > > > Rashadul Islam > ----------------------------------------- funny I've never heard of Fedora "service packs". Google gave zuk.. is there such a thing? -- regards, Ankur From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 06:46:08 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:16:08 +0530 Subject: f11 retrospective In-Reply-To: <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A35EE30.9070004@fedoraproject.org> On 06/15/2009 12:12 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > funny I've never heard of Fedora "service packs". Google gave zuk.. is > there such a thing? PackageKit has the concept of a service pack which is different from how Windows uses the term. http://packagekit.org/pk-faq.html#service-pack It is used for offline package installation. I am working on getting it better tested, supported and installed by default for Fedora 12 Rahul From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 09:39:53 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:09:53 +0530 Subject: f11 retrospective In-Reply-To: <4A35EE30.9070004@fedoraproject.org> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A35EE30.9070004@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1245058793.3233.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/15/2009 12:12 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > > > funny I've never heard of Fedora "service packs". Google gave zuk.. is > > there such a thing? > > PackageKit has the concept of a service pack which is different from how > Windows uses the term. > > http://packagekit.org/pk-faq.html#service-pack > > It is used for offline package installation. I am working on getting it > better tested, supported and installed by default for Fedora 12 > > Rahul > hi, from what I understand, this could replace the offline repos we make to use at install fests? I'm interested in contributing to this. Can you please tell me how to test it etc? -- regards, Ankur From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 15 09:47:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:17:26 +0530 Subject: Testing PackageKit service packs In-Reply-To: <1245058793.3233.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A35EE30.9070004@fedoraproject.org> <1245058793.3233.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A3618AE.4010104@fedoraproject.org> On 06/15/2009 03:09 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > from what I understand, this could replace the offline repos we make to > use at install fests? Yes I'm interested in contributing to this. Can you > please tell me how to test it etc? You need Fedora 11 or Rawhide. The command line app is pkgenpack. If you prefer the GUI, # yum install gnome-packagekit-extra Go to Applications => System Tools => Service Pack Creator Select "Create an archive of a specific package" You can give one of more packages separated by commas. It will create a and you can copy that to anybody running Fedora 11, click on it and install it. The service packs are merely tarballs with a package and its dependencies and a single metadata.conf. You can extract it if needed with tar xvf foo.servicepack There are some bugs you might run into. I have reported some of them and got a few fixed in Rawhide already. Test and send your feedback via bugzilla or packagekit mailing list. Rahul From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 09:59:12 2009 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:44:12 +0545 Subject: A talk about digital rights a suggestion to the government Message-ID: Guys, A little background. Nepal is writing it's constitution. It is asking suggestions about what needs to be included to everyone. The question was also asked to us (We have a group of *nix users called FOSS-NEPAL). Please suggest what we should write. Here is what my friend Bibek Paudel has written in the slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/06/12/2011213/How-Should-a-Constitution-Protect-Digital-Rights -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 10:09:42 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:39:42 +0530 Subject: Testing PackageKit service packs In-Reply-To: <4A3618AE.4010104@fedoraproject.org> References: <5ac533d50906142331h173bdfaq58b6a4a405a8a6cf@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580906142335o4438ab2fw31762bdf81dbc333@mail.gmail.com> <1245048143.3231.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A35EE30.9070004@fedoraproject.org> <1245058793.3233.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A3618AE.4010104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1245060582.3233.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:17 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/15/2009 03:09 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > > > from what I understand, this could replace the offline repos we make to > > use at install fests? > > Yes > > > I'm interested in contributing to this. Can you > > please tell me how to test it etc? > > You need Fedora 11 or Rawhide. The command line app is pkgenpack. > > If you prefer the GUI, > > # yum install gnome-packagekit-extra > > Go to Applications => System Tools => Service Pack Creator > > Select "Create an archive of a specific package" > > You can give one of more packages separated by commas. It will create a > and you can copy that to anybody > running Fedora 11, click on it and install it. The service packs are > merely tarballs with a package and its dependencies and a single > metadata.conf. You can extract it if needed with > > tar xvf foo.servicepack > > There are some bugs you might run into. I have reported some of them and > got a few fixed in Rawhide already. Test and send your feedback via > bugzilla or packagekit mailing list. > > Rahul > okay.. Ill do it when I have F11 on my system (still running 10).. thanks.. -- regards, Ankur From aveeksn at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 13:12:49 2009 From: aveeksn at gmail.com (Aveek Sen) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:42:49 +0530 Subject: Open Source Software & Hardware and GNU/Linux fest at NIT Agartala, India Message-ID: Hi, I want your help regarding contact addresses of people to contact for sponsorship for the fest. I had contacted many concerns but most were rejected by mailer-daemon & Symantec gateways or got no reply. Our GLUG-http://groups.google.co.in/group/nitalug Event details & Benefits for sponsors--Google document--http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgqr3n47_0dq82zcfj The Fedora events listing of our Linux fest-https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents The Fedora Release Events listing of our Linux fest-https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseEvents & https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party We have pagalguy.com & Linux for You magazine as media sponsors. Thanks, Aveek Sen, Fedora Ambassador, NIT Agartala, India. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 16 07:08:07 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:38:07 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Review Message-ID: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Review-Fedora_11_page1 "In the past I would have never recommended Fedora for someone new to Linux. Fedora 11 is a different story entirely. Fedora 11 is easy to use, fast, rock solid, and loaded with features others just don't have. If you happen to have a slow Internet connection or service where you pay based upon bandwidth usage, it's currently the most reasonable choice available...at least until others can adapt the Presto technology into their package management systems. When a cutting-edge development team is able to bring together a release with this many features, and have it perform so extraordinarily well it's really something special. An excellent and inspiring job everyone!" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 16 13:04:45 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:34:45 +0530 Subject: Available Now: Fedora 11 LXDE Remix Message-ID: <4A37986D.9030309@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.softpedia.com/news/Available-Now-Fedora-11-LXDE-Remix-114272.shtml "Rahul Sundaram announced today the release of a new Fedora 11 remix, especially created for those who want a lightweight desktop environment. The Fedora 11 LXDE Remix Live CD provides optimum integration and compatibility with LXDE (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment) and is available for 32 bit processor architectures in a 594 MB ISO." Rahul From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jun 16 16:55:10 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:55:10 -0700 Subject: Fedora 11 Retrospective Recap Message-ID: <4A37CE6E.7010308@redhat.com> Fedora 11 Retrospective Recap 2009-06-16 Wiki version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes Invitees: Cross section of people and leads from each group: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Invitees Attendees: James Laska, Bruno Wolff, J?hann B. Gu?mundsson, John McDonough, Jon Stanley, Jarod Wilson, Todd Zullinger, Ricky Zhou, Steven Moix, Mike McGrath,Jack Aboutboul, Paul Frields, Eric Christensen, John Poelstra, Edward Kirk, Adam Williamson, M?ir?n Duffy, and Jesse Keating Unrepresented Teams: Ambassadors, Translation Location: Global teleconferencing system & Fedora Gobby When: 2009-06-16 @ 14:00 UTC == Meeting Guidelines & Agenda == 1) Each person gets five minutes to say whatever they want. Suggested questions to answer: a) What went well? b) What could have gone better? c) If time and resources were not an issue, what three things would make Fedora 12 our best release ever? 2) While the speaker has the floor nobody can interrupt or correct what they are saying --there are no "wrong" ideas --other participants can seek clarification from speaker after they are done 3) Other attendees will help capture points raised in gobby 4) Open discussion and go forward plans after each person has had an opportunity to speak == Meeting Outcomes == o Individual feedback (see below) o John Poelstra will create a wiki version of these notes and post link to in email recap to fedora-advisory-board --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes o Jesse suggested checking back in a month to see how we are doing on the things we said we said we wanted to change --email is fine; telephone not required o Jesse strongly urged people on the call to take the proposals from the recent FAD back to their teams --feedback needed ASAP --will affect many parts of Fedora --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_Fedora_Development_Cycle_2009#Resulting_Output o John Poelstra encourage attendees to blog about this meeting to give a wider audience an understanding of what the meeting was like and what they thought about it o The Fedora CMS (Zicula) will affect a lot of groups in Fedora --We need a point person to coordinate these efforts for our greatest chance at success --No one has been identified o ADDED AFTER THE FACT by John Poelstra --Anyone is free to tag onto the end of the wiki document to add their own feedback --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Retrospective_Notes#Additional_Feedback_Outside_of_the_Meeting == Legend == (+) Went well (-) Could have gone better (w) Wish-list--no limits--everyone CAN have a pony == Jon Stanley (jds2001) - fesco == (+) Feature process went well --good contingency plans (-) X item fell through the cracks (-) Meeting minutes creation failed (+) Started using a minute meeting bot (w) Massive QA testing (w) Earlier freezing/branching for critical packages == Eric Christensen (Sparks) - docs == (-) Release notes churn at the last minute --some is legitimately unforeseen, other notes just not timely enough (-) docs.fedoraproject.org page doesn't flow well --languages hard to find (+) Turned out more guides and docs than past releases (+) use of Red Hat guides that were relicensed (w) Zikula CMS --will replace the existing docs.fp.o (w) standardize and focus on release notes and meet more users point == Jarod Wilson (j-rod) - FESCo == (+) Feature process went smoothly--deadlines understood and less confusion (+) No major disagreements within FESCo (-) No major disagreements within FESCo (-) Meeting minutes (-) Collection of public feedback not optimal (need more _constructive_ feedback) (-) Secondary architecture team updates (w) Focused Fedora kernel QA effort--build up community == John J. McDonough (jjmcd) - docs == (+) people were great (+) use of publican went surprisingly well (+) install guide is the best we've ever had (-) integrating milestones better into schedule (-) pushing to docs.fedoraproject.org is an ugly process --Too many formats (-) Need more packagers on the docs team (w) More engagement with developers/determining who to talk to (w) PackageKit get fixed --problems finding application to click on (w) Problems with wireless on NetworkManager == Edward Kirk (tk009) - BugZappers == (+) Communication really good about what was going on between all the teams and across the project (+) More people are joining the project and contributing (-) Blocker bugs were not handled very well (-) Problems at the end with Anaconda --identifying blocker bugs before the last minute (w) A more solid, stable release that is technically better than anything else out there == James Laska (jlaska) - QA == (+) 20 test days--way more than F10 (+) Documentation around test days and how to create live images, etc. (+) Test results reporting (+) Common F11 Bugs --multiple teams were invested in success (+) Community testing (-) No specific test days for Sound (-) No concept of capacity (-) Clarify hand off procedures between Release Engineering & QA for RC --"who has the ball?" (-) Transparency around release readiness decision and whether to slip --public discussion & publish minutes (-) Automation of testing (-) No metrics around health of QA community (w) Micro-communities around each of the features --specific dashboard --blocker bug tracking (w) Community test case management system == Adam Williamson (adamw) - QA/BugZappers == (-) reading several reviews that Fedora 11 is un-installable (-) unclear how to get in late release notes additions in a cooperative way (+) Test Days were fantastic (+) BugZappers and QA wiki spaces were substantially revised (w) A massive testing lab (w) Improving kernel triage for future releases == Bruno Wolff - Games Spin == (+) Help from Jeremy Katz to enhance livecd-tools for larger games iso size (+) Rawhide updates come quickly from the mirrors and Koji (+) test days were helpful and gave focus to people (+) New Spin process documentation got developed --specific test instructions are now available (-) Broken installer and video got in the way of testing --painful when rawhide was broken (-) We don't have a process for maintaining recurring spins (w) Less broken stuff (w) Spins process document finished (w) Lots of test days (w) More with live USB with persistent storage == Jack Aboutboul & Steven Moix - Marketing == (+) Lots of progress restructuring the marketing team (+) Release schedule helped cross team coordination (-) Need to identify task inter dependencies and add them to the schedule (-) Better capture things that get accomplished (+) Inter group communication with Art, Translation, etc. (w) Host mini-meetings with different teams throughout the release cycle (+) Continuous content production --building up and telling stories (w) Fedora Magazine (+) Tracking press reports in different languages (w) Finding a better way to do metrics to identify how far our reach is and understand audience (w) More marketing to younger audiences and greater public awareness == Ricky Zhou - Websites== (+) two or three people helping consistently with Web team tasks (-) Late changes from marketing and docs team which had minor impact (w) Add a review period so that issues can be identified and corrected before release == Mairin Duffy - Design == (-) Need to see feedback to the Design list as opposed to sprung on blogs (w) Six more designers on the team! (w) pink pony!!!!11!! == Jesse Keating - Release Engineering == (+) Better involvement with QA and Triage --improved confidence in QA beating on the trees (+) Did a better job of managing the blocker lists (+) Good help from others verifying blocker bugs (+) Test Days ... more feature owners are requesting targeted testing (+) No last minute compose-related surprises (-) Better communication around what testing needs to be done --improve capture of testing outside of the matrix (mailing lists) (-) Clearer guidelines around code changes (+) FAD Proposals - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_Fedora_Development_Cycle_2009#Resulting_Output (w) earlier review blocker bugs --maybe weekly after we branch (w) automated QA which provides automatic feedback == J?hann B. Gu?mundsson - QA Team== (w) Taking test days to the next level --improved advertisement --re-use live images for additional testing (w) coordinate with upstream testing (w) litmus testing system added to Fedora --litmus is coded to be quite mozilla-specific (according to jlaska) (w) Use of Fedora QA Trac system to track request from maintainers (w) Host test day without requiring maintainer present (-) lack consensus amongst maintainers if a reporter is supposed to report to our bugzilla or upstream one (w) Daily scheduled testing on components. == Todd Zullinger -- Websites Team == (+) more complete translations than we've had before (+) Infrastructure team syncing release content earlier than past releases (w) relocate everyone to a tropical island where we can all work together in person == Mike McGrath - Infrastructure == (+) team is growing (-) multiple release slips hindered work in infrastructure due to freezes --one big slip would be nicer (w) Feature freezes in earlier (w) Contingency plans for core distro functionality (w) Look for key ways that Infrastructure can enable success of QA Team == Paul Frields == (+) Well coordinated for the releases including slip announcements (+) Ambassadors did a great job behind the scenes --media production --release parties (-) Feedback mechanisms are unclear and point to too many different places --documentation and marketing materials --could anaconda bug reporting mechanism be helped by design team? (w) Marketing, Docs, Website, Design team work on coordinated approach to the Zicula (CMS) --organized and well coordinated fashion (w) More forceful in not allowing late/invasive changes to rawhide and putting them off to next release From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 16 17:45:45 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:45:45 -0400 Subject: NO MEETING TODAY 2009.06.16 Message-ID: <4A37DA49.5090004@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, We were scheduled to have a meeting today, however, I think we should skip this week. We had a long meeting this morning with John Poelstra and members of every other team. It was a retrospection on F11 and what things went well and what can be improved. I already had ideas on that before and I am now working on writing them down into a document that people can look at and comment on. The meeting today was supposed to be discussing these ideas, but I think it would be wiser to first have that document and then get feedback. I am also having meetings tomorrow morning with Mo from Design Team and Mel Chua who is our intern in Westford, MA, so I will shoot to have the first version of this document out sometime tomorrow afternoon. Jack From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 19:46:02 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:46:02 -0800 Subject: Fedora 11 Review In-Reply-To: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Review-Fedora_11_page1 "Fedora 11 on Live Media is to date, one of the best Live media options I have encountered, and we (On-Disk.com) have set the industry standard for Live Media production with over 1200 variations." Okay this one is pretty good and it covers the proprietary codec issue tactfully and shows off the integrated mime detection package performing in that context. If I were going to broadcast a single 3rd party review for people to reference..this one would be on the short list. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 17 04:49:34 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:19:34 +0530 Subject: Goodbye Fedora 9 Message-ID: <4A3875DE.4030306@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.softpedia.com/news/Goodbye-Fedora-9-114319.shtml "Fedora 9 was officially released one year ago, on May 13th, 2008. It was dubbed Sulphur and it was the first Fedora Linux distribution to include hard drive encryption support in the graphical installer (a feature that is still missing from the popular Ubuntu distribution). Fedora 9 was powered by the Linux kernel 2.6.25 and it was one of the first Linux distributions with the KDE 4 desktop environment. Sulphur also introduced a new package manager based on PackageKit, RandR support and Presto. Today we are sorry to announce the end of life for Fedora 9 (Sulphur) on July 10th, 2009" Rahul From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 07:14:12 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:14:12 +0200 Subject: Open source EDA software defeats Lock-in Message-ID: <50baabb30906170014i3f00b7ffh6c7c67726b657d1@mail.gmail.com> Hello there Below you will find my interview with Peggy Aycinena http://www.edadesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217800649 EDS DesignLine Reach: * 24k+ monthly page views * 11k+ monthly unique visitors http://marketing.techinsights.com/techinsights-portfolio/ee-times/designline-communitie/eda-designline/ kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 08:14:27 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:14:27 +0200 Subject: FEL being evaluated at unam in Mexico Message-ID: <50baabb30906170114l87e371dy7c51a5df9d48f02d@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, FEL is being evaluated by a bunch of students in Mexico. Ann Rein (in CC:) is taking the lead to deploy FEL under 10 machines. Below you will find her email: http://unam.mx/ ----- Thanks again, as for now, I officialy cant asume there is such use of fel because this is on our own and we have no support from my school, [you know its only a test if it works and receive support from our director then this will be ok] but check this out. As for know the ones who are using FEL its a bunch of guys/gals of electronic engineering of the unam [unam.mx]. ----- Regard, Chitlesh From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 21:28:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:28:43 -0700 Subject: Fedora 11 Review In-Reply-To: <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090617212843.GH7829@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:46:02AM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Rahul > Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Review-Fedora_11_page1 > > "Fedora 11 on Live Media is to date, one of the best Live media > options I have encountered, and we (On-Disk.com) have set the industry > standard for Live Media production with over 1200 variations." > > Okay this one is pretty good and it covers the proprietary codec issue > tactfully and shows off the integrated mime detection package > performing in that context. > > If I were going to broadcast a single 3rd party review for people to > reference..this one would be on the short list. Can we reference this site for a pull quote in future marketing efforts? I saw an interesting presentation here at Open Source Bridge[1] this morning regarding that subject. [1] http://opensourcebridge.com/ -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 23:16:20 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:16:20 -0800 Subject: Fedora 11 Review In-Reply-To: <20090617212843.GH7829@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> <20090617212843.GH7829@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910906171616t4c6fe42tc8b7b5658a33c6e6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Can we reference this site for a pull quote in future marketing > efforts? ?I saw an interesting presentation here at Open Source > Bridge[1] this morning regarding that subject. Can we? I don't know the finer points of "book jacket" review snippet etiquette. -jef"has been"spaleta From ian at ianweller.org Wed Jun 17 23:20:26 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:20:26 -0500 Subject: recording more metrics and doing more data mining about Fedora Message-ID: <20090617232025.GH17062@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> I'm starting up a project to help everybody in Fedora by combining statistical (not personal!) data retrieved from FAS, repositories in Fedora Hosted, mailing lists, translations, and whatever else we can possibly get our hands on to produce reports that help us see trends in the activity of contributors, both new and old. With this project, we'll be better able to understand the effects of certain marketing techniques or development on what we can measure as "activity" within the project. Other advantages may be seen as well. Now, I'm simply starting this -- I don't have any shiny graphs to show you just yet. But what I do need people to do is let me know what sort of statistics would help them with what they do. It is also beneficial to include things that we are already getting statistics on, or that we previously received statistics for, so that these can all be integrated into the same system. Here's where to submit your ideas: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Data_mining_use_cases I'll be mostly AFK until the next weekend is over, so please surprise me with your ideas :) If you have any questions, please get in touch with me. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dragging open development best practices across the mental divides between pure software into design of physical electronic has to be non-trivial amount of work. I'm somewhat awed at the effort. -jef From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 01:18:51 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Review In-Reply-To: <604aa7910906171616t4c6fe42tc8b7b5658a33c6e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> <20090617212843.GH7829@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910906171616t4c6fe42tc8b7b5658a33c6e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Can we reference this site for a pull quote in future marketing >> efforts? ?I saw an interesting presentation here at Open Source >> Bridge[1] this morning regarding that subject. > > Can we? ?I don't know the finer points of "book jacket" review snippet > etiquette. Just ask Karlie Robinson who is both a Fedora Ambassador and the owner of Webpath Technologies. I'm sure she would, as always, be delighted to do whatever she can to help. John From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 11:12:37 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:12:37 +0200 Subject: Open source EDA software defeats Lock-in In-Reply-To: <604aa7910906171633v6c17e46q829f391d3c0f8385@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30906170014i3f00b7ffh6c7c67726b657d1@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910906171633v6c17e46q829f391d3c0f8385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30906180412m4073c5d8s6a408c1e695369c8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Chitlesh, > I continue to be amazed at your ability to drive for a cultural change > in this area. > I think what you are doing has the potential to be by far the largest > positive impact on spreading a culture of open development than > anything else going on. ?Dragging open development best practices > across the mental divides between pure software into design of > physical electronic has to be non-trivial amount of work. ?I'm > somewhat awed at the effort. Thank you, but the credits go to Fedora :) Actually, I'm constantly looking for new contributors, especially for packaging. One feature, I'm sad I don't have time to package is the famous AUTOSAR platform for the automotive industry. http://www.autosar.org This industry platform (and opensource) is gaining ground especially in Europe. Many companies are collaborating on this. This is another reason, why I personally don't refer to octave/scilab as an equivalent for Matlab, because Mathworks works hard to maintain consistently with other areas such as medical, automotive,... I need more contributors to improve this missing interconnect on the existing opensource software. regards, Chitlesh From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 18 11:45:11 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:15:11 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 Release Schedule and Goals Message-ID: <4A3A28C7.1040702@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-12-Release-Schedule-and-Goals-114542.shtml The ongoing feature list is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList "This is the official release schedule, but everyone knows that it might change in time, and the final version could be delayed a few weeks. For Fedora 12, the development team will prepare new and exciting features, such as: ? GNOME 2.28 desktop environment ? KDE 4.3 desktop environment ? PolicyKit ? IPv6 and system-wide connections support for NetworkManager ? liblvm (LVM userspace library) ? Empathy (Pidgin replacement) ? debuginfo filesystem ? Multiseat ? Dracut (mkinitrd/nash replacement) ? Systemtap Static Probes ? OpenOffice 3 ? and many more!" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 18 16:25:17 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:55:17 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Fedora 11 s390x preview Message-ID: <4A3A6A6D.8070204@fedoraproject.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fedora 11 s390x preview Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:58:26 +0200 From: Karsten Hopp Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora To: fedora-s390x at lists.fedoraproject.org, Development discussions related to Fedora Core Hello, The Fedora s390x team is pleased to announce a first preview of Fedora 11 for s390x in form of a prebuilt hercules image and as a tarball which can be unpacked on a free DASD of your z9 or z10. We currently have ~11600 binary packages of Fedora 11/s390x and are working on getting real boot images. Hercules images with instructions can be downloaded from http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/ Individual packages are available at https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=rawhide&arch=s390x More info will be added in the next few days at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/s390x If you're interested, please join our mailing list at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-s390x or our IRC channel #fedora-s390x on freenode.net Regards Karsten Hopp, s390x secondary arch maintainer From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 15:40:05 2009 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:40:05 +0300 Subject: Fedora 12 Release Schedule and Goals In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0906180821m1c6a91a0s457818c1e8dce224@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3A28C7.1040702@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0906180821m1c6a91a0s457818c1e8dce224@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0906180840s3b8c1398u6542bf2db116da8b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-12-Release-Schedule-and-Goals-114542.shtml > > The ongoing feature list is at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList > > "This is the official release schedule, but everyone knows that it might > change in time, and the final version could be delayed a few weeks. For > Fedora 12, the development team will prepare new and exciting features, > such as: > > ? GNOME 2.28 desktop environment > ? KDE 4.3 desktop environment > ? PolicyKit > ? IPv6 and system-wide connections support for NetworkManager > ? liblvm (LVM userspace library) > ? Empathy (Pidgin replacement) > ? debuginfo filesystem > ? Multiseat > ? Dracut (mkinitrd/nash replacement) > ? Systemtap Static Probes > ? OpenOffice 3 Fedora 11 already has OpenOffice 3.1.0 > ? and many more!" John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 19 10:48:38 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:18:38 +0530 Subject: Benchmarks Of Fedora 9 Through 11 Message-ID: <4A3B6D06.5020407@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_9_11_perf&num=1 "we are now looking at the performance of Fedora over their past few releases. In this article we have a range of system benchmarks from Fedora 9, 10, 11, and the latest Rawhide packages as of this week." Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 19 15:30:49 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:30:49 -0400 Subject: recording more metrics and doing more data mining about Fedora In-Reply-To: <20090617232025.GH17062@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> References: <20090617232025.GH17062@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <4A3BAF29.9000203@redhat.com> Ian, Thanks for posting this. Its very promising. As a matter of fact, I know that there are a number of us that are interested in this and certain groups already their own tools to measure certain things. I think it might be beneficial for us to all get on a conf call or figure out some commonly suitable meeting time and forum to get together and discuss this as a whole group. What do you (or anyone else for tha matter) think? It's something I would like to see happen, because it will drive more focused goal setting especially in Marketing, but it has implications all over the place. Jack Ian Weller wrote: > I'm starting up a project to help everybody in Fedora by combining > statistical (not personal!) data retrieved from FAS, repositories in > Fedora Hosted, mailing lists, translations, and whatever else we can > possibly get our hands on to produce reports that help us see trends in > the activity of contributors, both new and old. > > With this project, we'll be better able to understand the effects of > certain marketing techniques or development on what we can measure as > "activity" within the project. Other advantages may be seen as well. > > Now, I'm simply starting this -- I don't have any shiny graphs to show > you just yet. But what I do need people to do is let me know what sort > of statistics would help them with what they do. It is also beneficial > to include things that we are already getting statistics on, or that we > previously received statistics for, so that these can all be integrated > into the same system. > > Here's where to submit your ideas: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Data_mining_use_cases > > I'll be mostly AFK until the next weekend is over, so please surprise me > with your ideas :) If you have any questions, please get in touch with > me. > > From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Fri Jun 19 14:47:09 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:47:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Review In-Reply-To: References: <4A3744D7.8070308@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910906161246m5fce1d3fj4821fb76806d2557@mail.gmail.com> <20090617212843.GH7829@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910906171616t4c6fe42tc8b7b5658a33c6e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3BA4ED.5060702@webpath.net> While the site is copyright, it's mostly to keep other ISO-to-media vendors at bay. If you treat the article as CC, Non-Commercial, Attribution, I'm cool with that. Unfortunately, I can't control what Todd says or thinks, so I'm please everyone likes it. ~Karlie inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >>> Can we reference this site for a pull quote in future marketing >>> efforts? I saw an interesting presentation here at Open Source >>> Bridge[1] this morning regarding that subject. >>> >> Can we? I don't know the finer points of "book jacket" review snippet >> etiquette. >> > > Just ask Karlie Robinson who is both a Fedora Ambassador and the owner > of Webpath Technologies. I'm sure she would, as always, be delighted > to do whatever she can to help. > > John > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 16:49:56 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:49:56 -0800 Subject: Benchmarks Of Fedora 9 Through 11 In-Reply-To: <4A3B6D06.5020407@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A3B6D06.5020407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910906190949h24278c34t6fddc7d102ac39e9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_9_11_perf&num=1 > > "we are now looking at the performance of Fedora over their past few > releases. In this article we have a range of system benchmarks from > Fedora 9, 10, 11, and the latest Rawhide packages as of this week." I continue to have issues with phoronix lack of methodology disclosure as to when exactly they are using Fedora built binaries and when binaries they recompile as part of their test suite. Without the methodology context, I can't realistically attempt to verify their numbers. -jef From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 22:40:32 2009 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:10:32 +0530 Subject: Benchmarks Of Fedora 9 Through 11 In-Reply-To: <4A3B6D06.5020407@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A3B6D06.5020407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <78323d480906191540k47af101fx7aa9adac1443e581@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_9_11_perf&num=1 > > "we are now looking at the performance of Fedora over their past few > releases. In this article we have a range of system benchmarks from > Fedora 9, 10, 11, and the latest Rawhide packages as of this week." > They used only one type of hardware. So it is not really comprehensive. Maybe we should do more systematic benchmarking with the same suite(s). Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://amani.topcities.com http://www.logicamani.co.cc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 22 10:12:46 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:42:46 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 Launch Video Message-ID: <4A3F591E.3090505@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.redhat.com/v/ogg/Fedora_11_Launch.ogg More details at http://www.redhat.com/Fedora/ Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:57:27 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:27:27 +0530 Subject: TOI Artiicle - Open source is more stable and better supported Message-ID: "If every Indian citizen had to pay $500 for an Office suite, that's good for Microsoft but not for India. We have seen this in India, Brazil, across Africa, the British government recently standardised on open source software" . http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4684336.cms -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 22 15:59:33 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:59:33 -0400 Subject: Can we have tomorrow's meeting 2 hours early? Message-ID: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> Hello All, We are scheduled to have our regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow. The agenda will be talking about the future of marketing and plans, titled Project FooBar, about which you will see an email soon. I was wondering however, if people didn't mind, if we can have the meeting 2 hours early tomorrow, so 18.00 UTC instead of 20.00UTC because this week is pretty hectic with different stuff to do and I need to be in a meeting tomorrow at 4pm. If people agree then I can go ahead and send out a preliminary reminder today. Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 22 16:05:59 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:05:59 -0400 Subject: test post Message-ID: <4A3FABE7.4080402@redhat.com> Hey Guys, Been trying to post to the list for a few hours and posts arent coming in. Just checking... Jack From smooge at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:14:24 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:14:24 -0600 Subject: test post In-Reply-To: <4A3FABE7.4080402@redhat.com> References: <4A3FABE7.4080402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090906220914x5aeb1675i2fd0c548701b72ea@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > Been trying to post to the list for a few hours and posts arent coming in. ?Just checking... > Got this one. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 22 16:17:41 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:17:41 -0400 Subject: test post In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090906220914x5aeb1675i2fd0c548701b72ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3FABE7.4080402@redhat.com> <80d7e4090906220914x5aeb1675i2fd0c548701b72ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3FAEA5.4050109@redhat.com> Hmm, weird, my own posts arent showing up. Did the one about moving tomorrow's meeting make it? Thanks, Jack Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> >> Been trying to post to the list for a few hours and posts arent coming in. Just checking... >> >> > > Got this one. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:26:55 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:26:55 -0700 Subject: test post In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090906220914x5aeb1675i2fd0c548701b72ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3FABE7.4080402@redhat.com> <80d7e4090906220914x5aeb1675i2fd0c548701b72ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080906220926x3774b79dhed1212953279e188@mail.gmail.com> I'll resist the overwhelming temptation to say "me too," but I got it as well, along with the one about changing the meeting time. That's okay with me but it would be nice that if and when it's finalized at the new time, another message is sent out to confirm the change. Thanks. Larry Cafiero On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > Been trying to post to the list for a few hours and posts arent coming > in. Just checking... > > > > Got this one. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Mon Jun 22 18:06:24 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:06:24 +0200 Subject: Can we have tomorrow's meeting 2 hours early? In-Reply-To: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> References: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A3FC820.5030206@axianet.ch> Ok for me. Steven On 06/22/2009 05:59 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > We are scheduled to have our regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow. The > agenda will be talking about the future of marketing and plans, titled > Project FooBar, about which you will see an email soon. > > I was wondering however, if people didn't mind, if we can have the > meeting 2 hours early tomorrow, so 18.00 UTC instead of 20.00UTC because > this week is pretty hectic with different stuff to do and I need to be > in a meeting tomorrow at 4pm. > > If people agree then I can go ahead and send out a preliminary reminder > today. > > Thanks, > Jack > From ian at ianweller.org Mon Jun 22 19:05:50 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:05:50 -0500 Subject: Can we have tomorrow's meeting 2 hours early? In-Reply-To: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> References: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090622190550.GL2733@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:59:33AM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > We are scheduled to have our regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow. The > agenda will be talking about the future of marketing and plans, titled > Project FooBar, about which you will see an email soon. > > I was wondering however, if people didn't mind, if we can have the > meeting 2 hours early tomorrow, so 18.00 UTC instead of 20.00UTC because > this week is pretty hectic with different stuff to do and I need to be > in a meeting tomorrow at 4pm. > > If people agree then I can go ahead and send out a preliminary reminder > today. > Shouldn't be a problem. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 22 20:03:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:03:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing TNG: Project FooBar Message-ID: <4A3FE39A.6040704@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, Just wanted to keep people posted as to what's going on in Marketing and the outcome of my trip to Westford last week. As many of you know, I've been thinking about what the next steps we need to take in Fedora Marketing should be. I feel that we have come along way in terms of improving process and that we can go even further while also putting a fresh spin on things. For some time there has been discussion of a "Fedora Magazine" concept; this goes back a couple of years. I really liked the idea and it sort of stuck in my mind all these years and I was thinking we can centralize things around that format. I had a few rough ideas for kickstarting this, but mainly my motivations were to solidify policies and process for what content Marketing creates, who we create it for, the content creation schedule, and how we distribute it. Last week, I went up to Westford to and I met with Mo and Mel and Stephen Smoogen who was in the house for a visit. We ran through a bunch of ideas and goals for Marketing's future and the idea of a Fedora journal/magazine type setup. The results can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Project_FooBar. Mo came up with the name, lol. There are 5 main goals that we are striving for as you can read on the wiki page. Centralization of Content, well scheduled, recurring and prepared content, design which is consistent with the philosophy of the Design team, standardized "official" feeds for distribution of different forms of content, mechanisms for localization and sharing the media with press or on social news sites. Feel free to read the wiki page and add/edit, etc. I would like to know what people think of this type of format, and I know people will have many question so I would like those to be voiced now so that we can answer them and make sure we are working to build something that is useful for the community with input from the community. If anyone has any comments, please feel free to email me/respond to list. Jack From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Jun 22 23:47:18 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:47:18 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Calendaring idea] Message-ID: <4A401806.7080301@redhat.com> Cross posting to ambassadors and marketing. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Calendaring idea Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:07:46 -0700 From: John Poelstra Reply-To: Fedora Infrastructure To: Fedora Infrastructure Here is a really successful project from where I live that Fedora might benefit from. http://calagator.org/ http://code.google.com/p/calagator/ It is different from the traditional "calendaring/Outlook" type solution that has been under discussion, but it is extremely easy for people to add events to and for others to query and get updates from (RSS and ical feeds). Maybe it would be useful for a small segment of our project like weekly team meetings. It could also be used on much larger scale for Fedora events around the world. John _______________________________________________ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jun 23 01:13:27 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:13:27 -0700 Subject: CMS (Zikula) kick-off Message-ID: <4A402C37.5050008@redhat.com> Hi, I've volunteered to help kick off and facilitate the Fedora cross-team CMS (Zicula) planning and implementation meetings. I think things will work best if each team puts forth a representative. We will hold our meetings on IRC or over Fedora Talk and they will be open to anyone, but it will make it easier to schedule and coordinate the meetings if I know who the key people from each team are. I believe the key teams we need representatives from are: Documentation, Design, and Marketing. Are there any others? Once I know who the key people are I'll reach out to those people to find a meeting time and day that works best. I'd like to get a response by Thursday, June 25, 2009, so we can kick things off. Thanks, John From khanolkardilip at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 03:56:49 2009 From: khanolkardilip at gmail.com (beta tester) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:26:49 +0530 Subject: TOI Artiicle - Open source is more stable and better supported In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ca074ea0906222056ic70e25fj62bec590f0b16fd5@mail.gmail.com> Really great article will help a lot to me in convincing other people. Regards, Dilip Khanolkar, +919769107738. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:27 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > "If every Indian citizen had to pay $500 for an Office suite, that's > good for Microsoft but not for India. > We have seen this in India, Brazil, across Africa, the British > government recently standardised on > open source software" > . > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4684336.cms > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From khanolkardilip at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 04:07:07 2009 From: khanolkardilip at gmail.com (beta tester) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:37:07 +0530 Subject: Can we have tomorrow's meeting 2 hours early? In-Reply-To: <20090622190550.GL2733@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> References: <4A3FAA65.5000208@redhat.com> <20090622190550.GL2733@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <9ca074ea0906222107s90941f1gc50832cc91ea6eb8@mail.gmail.com> I dont think anyone should have any problems till the the things are told before hand. Well can anyone help me out on my silly question? Does anyone know any website where i can convert time zones easily. I live in india so face a lot of problems when people convey there local timings. Regards, Dilip Khanolkar, +919769107738 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:59:33AM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > We are scheduled to have our regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow. The > > agenda will be talking about the future of marketing and plans, titled > > Project FooBar, about which you will see an email soon. > > > > I was wondering however, if people didn't mind, if we can have the > > meeting 2 hours early tomorrow, so 18.00 UTC instead of 20.00UTC because > > this week is pretty hectic with different stuff to do and I need to be > > in a meeting tomorrow at 4pm. > > > > If people agree then I can go ahead and send out a preliminary reminder > > today. > > > Shouldn't be a problem. > > -- > Ian Weller > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I live in india so face a > lot of problems when people convey there local timings. > hi... try http://www.timeanddate.com/ regards, From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 05:57:59 2009 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:27:59 +0530 Subject: TOI article Message-ID: <5ac533d50906222257v3f7f801fqa3f6ea5e306078@mail.gmail.com> thats not an article its an interview arnav kalra (fedora inside) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just checking... > > Jack > Got this one too ! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 08:38:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:08:05 +0530 Subject: Some notes on Fedora and Mono Message-ID: <4A40946D.2040408@fedoraproject.org> -------- Original Message -------- From: Rahul Sundaram To:: Chris , bryan AT linuxactionshow.com, Hubert Figuiere Hi Bryan and Chris, I had a chance to hear your commentary or more of a rant on Mono and Fedora. http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=876 As the maintainer of Gnote in Fedora, I think I should add a few clarifications and correct some factual inaccuracies in your podcast. In about 1:20 hrs, Bryan adds a comment that Gnote cannot import Tomboy notes. This is completely incorrect. Gnote and Tomboy use the same file format and Gnote in 0.5 version even has a plugin to import Tomboy notes on the first run. It would have been trivial to verify this for yourself. On the size issue - Tomboy and F-Spot has been default in Fedora for quite sometime. However from Fedora 10 onwards, it hasn't been in the *Live CD* because of space constraints and none of the Mono apps would be installed by default if you install via the Live CD. Since Gnote is written in C++ and the dependencies related to that including the gtkmm packages were already in the Live CD due to other applications, including Gnote by default in the Live CD is more easier. Installation via DVD images doesn't have the same constraints and can have a different set of defaults. The release notes draft for Fedora 12 Beta published early, already has all this information https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Beta_release_notes#GNOME_2.28 Before painting a broad stroke and accusing developers of lying or being incompetent, it would be better to contact them and get a direct opinion to cover the full story. Adobe Flash - I have heard no one in Fedora claiming that Red Hat Legal is looking into it. It simply isn't included because Fedora doesn't include any proprietary applications. I think comparing the decision to include or exclude any particular application, by default or otherwise to DRM is over the top as well. I came across a blog post at http://the-gay-bar.com/index.php?/archives/314-Linux-Action-Show-Season-10,-Episode-7-Cleaning-up-the-mess/ which conveys what I wanted to say about that. As of now, Fedora continues to include the latest Mono applications in the repository. It was a long podcast and I could add more clarifications but suffice to say that you both went high on emotions and low on facts. Next time, you aren't sure of the details about anything related to Fedora, feel free to contact us and we can help you understand why we make the decisions we do. Thank you for your time. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 14:17:07 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:07 +0530 Subject: Mirroring Fedora Message-ID: <4A40E3E3.3070209@fedoraproject.org> Hi Interesting blog post detailing the steps to setup a private mirror of Fedora that is listed in Fedora's Mirror Manager http://www.kev009.com/wp/2009/06/mirroring-fedora/ "The best thing is that it works across all package requests, including new machines, roaming users, ?preupgrade?, etc. All in all, pretty nifty! Your users will love you when their upgrades are almost instant! The Fedora infrastructure is set up very well for mirroring, public and private, and this is how the project copes with the huge demand for new releases. " Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 23 16:28:12 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:28:12 -0400 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.06.23 @ 18.00UTC/2PM Eastern/11AM Pacific Message-ID: <4A41029C.1080908@redhat.com> Hey All, We will have our general, regularly weekly meeting today at the MODIFIED time of 18.00UTC in #fedora-meeting. We will be discussing issues relevant to what I posted on the list/blog yesterday and future directions for marketing. If you feel like you have something good to contribute please join us. Thanks, Jack From ian at ianweller.org Tue Jun 23 16:55:24 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:55:24 -0500 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.06.23 @ 18.00UTC/2PM Eastern/11AM Pacific In-Reply-To: <4A41029C.1080908@redhat.com> References: <4A41029C.1080908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090623165524.GB3038@deathray.ianweller.org> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28:12PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > We will have our general, regularly weekly meeting today at the MODIFIED > time of 18.00UTC in #fedora-meeting. We will be discussing issues > relevant to what I posted on the list/blog yesterday and future > directions for marketing. If you feel like you have something good to > contribute please join us. > I might not be on time but I'll try my best to be there by 1:10 CDT (2:20 EDT). -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris wasn't aware of the details and commented incorrectly that Gnote doesn't import Tomboy notes and you follow it up with "It's a funny thing is that it uses the same file format. This gnote thing is ridiculous" That sounds like you are both agreeing with each other rather than correcting anything and yes, I did pay attention. > I think comparing the decision to > include or exclude any particular application, by default or otherwise > to DRM is over the top as well. I came across a blog post at > http://the-gay-bar.com/index.php?/archives/314-Linux-Action-Show-Season-10,-Episode-7-Cleaning-up-the-mess/ > which conveys what I wanted to say about that. As of now, Fedora > continues to include the latest Mono applications in the repository. > > > But not included by default, correct? If we are wrong. Yes, you are both wrong. Fedora 11 which is the latest release continues to include Tomboy and F-Spot installed by default. Fedora 12 will include Gnote by default instead of Tomboy in the Live CD and F-Spot continues to be default in the DVD as of now. http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup > And the Fedora project is spending zero time re-inventing working > software... then let us know. That's absolutely right. Gnote is developed by Hub (cc'ed) who is a independent developer not associated with the Fedora Project. I don't mind a rant as long as it is valid criticism but in this case, it seems to have been based on misconceptions instead. It would be courteous to post some corrections. Thanks. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 18:18:13 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:48:13 +0530 Subject: Some notes on Fedora and Mono In-Reply-To: References: <4A4091AF.8060303@gmail.com> <4A411089.7000609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A411C65.8030607@fedoraproject.org> On 06/23/2009 11:02 PM, Bryan Lunduke wrote: > > Do you happen to know the download numbers for the Live CD vs the DVD > versions? In short: More users use DVD images More details: Accurate numbers are pretty hard to get. Our torrent shows a much higher proportion of users downloading the DVD image and that has been consistent for the previous releases as well. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org:6969/ We can gather some more general stats for downloads via mirror manager but of course we have no way of easily counting the downloads via mirrors directly or other forms of redistribution such as magazines around the world which generally are known to prefer to distribute DVD's since they hold more packages and there is little to no difference in the cost of media replication. The fuzziness around this is the reason why we prefer to count IP connections via yum instead but this doesn't give you the media preferences. Note that users installing via network installation would get the same defaults as users downloading the DVD image. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics There is a ongoing project developed elsewhere for a distribution neutral opt-in way to gather stats on installed packages. Perhaps that will give us more information on what users prefer in the future. "This was actually a news item some time back. I do not have a link at present, so I cannot accurately quote the specific people and time-line, but this was, indeed, something that has happened. And is just one of many items that makes one pause." How about some references to this claim related to Adobe Flash? Adobe Flash is proprietary software and that is enough reason to exclude it from Fedora. Why would any other reason be even necessary? It would have nice to include any such links to the show notes. See, I do pay attention. > So. What you are saying is... that replacing software with different > software in a distro is zero work? > > You know better. Fedora Project isn't really spending anytime reinventing working software in the form of Gnote. Gnote was developed independently. Any interested volunteer is free to maintain any free and open source software (assuming no legal issues) within Fedora. The release engineering and desktop teams evaluate the set of existing apps in the repository and make some of them the default where it makes sense and yes it does make sense for the Live CD to have a smaller application like Gnote (considering dependencies) because of space constraints. In the case of Gnote, the effort to do so isn't big at all since Gnote will automatically import the notes and the interface is the same. So users won't nice much of a difference except overall fewer resources being used by Gnote. Is such valid reasons for distribution defaults really a reason to accuse a project and it's developers of being incompetent or liars or comparing the process to DRM ? I understand both of you like some of the Mono apps and it is completely ok to say regardless of Fedora Project's reasons for picking whatever defaults they did, I prefer a different set of apps ( KDE instead of GNOME or Banshee instead of Rhythm box etc and) and that's why we offer thousands of applications in the repository and the ability to create spins or remixes easily but I think you folks went way over the top this time without much of a ground to do so. I would be happy to discuss any concerns you both might still have. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 23 19:17:36 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:47:36 +0530 Subject: Some notes on Fedora and Mono In-Reply-To: References: <4A4091AF.8060303@gmail.com> <4A411089.7000609@fedoraproject.org> <4A411C65.8030607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A412A50.4010204@fedoraproject.org> On 06/24/2009 12:06 AM, Bryan Lunduke wrote: > Rahul, > > I appreciate that you're putting some thought into your replies. > > However. > > You have still not addressed one of the core issues here. That being > that work is being done within Fedora to replace existing functionality > with new software that provides no new functional gain (and is, in fact, > nothing more than a clone of existing software). The functional gain as I have already explained is less disk space and less RAM usage on the Live CD. Remember, since the Live CD already doesn't include Tomboy for the past couple of releases, the addition of Gnote brings in the benefit of a nice note taking app by default and indeed this has been one of the primary motivations in bringing in Gnote to Fedora. Just in case, you think I am doing it because of anti Mono FUD or dumb group thinking as Chris choose to put it, I filed and got a dependency fixed in Mono only recently (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506917) that will actually reduce the size of Tomboy dependency. Fedora has been one of the most innovative distributions in Linux and that didn't happen via group thinking. Give us a little bit more credit than that. > Even if the core development of the application in question is being > done elsewhere, by individuals not associated directly with Fedora, the > work involved with testing and packaging is not at all insignificant. > The impact on the overall distro is large. As the Gnote maintainer in Fedora and the one who brought into the distribution in the first place, I think I am in a better position to determine the overall impact and I can clearly tell you it isn't as large as you think it is. Sure, I have had to deal with a few bug reports but I have a very responsive upstream who even even answered bug report directly in Red Hat Bugzilla (thanks hub), it has been a pleasure to bring the Fedora users this application not to mention that I use it myself along with many of my peers on a daily basis which is a certainly a good selfish advantage. > On top of this, statements made by individuals involved with Fedora in > regards to Mono... all add up to a bit of a PR nightmare for you guys. Mono has been controversial and not just within Fedora but across the Free software landscape. There is no denying that. If that controversy causes so high emotions in Linux Action Show that you are willing to accuse project members of being deceptive liars or incompetent just because they choose a single different default , I think it shows more about the calibre of the people making that claims rather than the project that the claim is made against. All I ask is for basic courtesy, decency and thorough ground standing on facts and based on research while indulging in criticism. I understand you both are busy people and hence my offer to answer any questions now and in the future. Engage us in a dialogue or a debate if you will instead of standing and screaming from a roof top on your own. Unlike some of proprietary products, the transparency in what we do enables you to have the opportunity to discuss concerns directly with the decision makers and other people involved in the project. I wouldn't be the one to ever claim Fedora Project is free of bugs (there is no such thing) or that we don't have things we really need to improve but I am hearing something quite different in your podcasts esp the last one. Should we improve our QA? Absolutely and you will hear not just Fedora but every mainstream distribution readily admit that but a blanket claim that nobody has been able to install Fedora 11 is not a helpful contribution and is clearly not a factually accurate claim. This can all be addressed simply enough by making > formal statements about goals, methods, etc... but as yet this has not > been done in sufficient form. As far as the decision of Gnote instead of Tomboy for the Fedora Live CD, I personally made sure that it was explained in detail at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Beta_release_notes Chris was even CC'ed by me in earlier media reports on this. If you are talking about Fedora project in general, everything is already out in the open but if you have specific questions, again, I would be happy to answer them. If you want someone in the Fedora leadership to answer anything in a interview in a future podcast, let us know and we will do our best to arrange something. A few references about goals and methods. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList Thank you for your understanding. Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 21:36:36 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:36:36 -0800 Subject: Some notes on Fedora and Mono In-Reply-To: <4A412A50.4010204@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A4091AF.8060303@gmail.com> <4A411089.7000609@fedoraproject.org> <4A411C65.8030607@fedoraproject.org> <4A412A50.4010204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910906231436x26bdb0cfw48f2fc54e9859a66@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The functional gain as I have already explained is less disk space and > less RAM usage on the Live CD. Remember, since the Live CD already > doesn't include Tomboy for the past couple of releases, the addition of > Gnote brings in the benefit of a nice note taking app by default and > indeed this has been one of the primary motivations in bringing in Gnote > to Fedora. I find the dust up over gnote amusing considering that several other tomboy clones exist for the sole reason of getting around the mono dependency issue while providing the same functionality. tomdroid for android written in Java (or whatever passes for java on android). conboy was developed i think specifically for maemo and is written in C. I'm shocked we haven't been lobbied to make conboy the default on the grounds of its superior language purity as a C program and its development roadmap. It looks like conboy is prepping for the tomboy online syncing support already. We should probably be looking at conboy. Traditional desktop/laptop users are sort of spoiled in that we have a lot of system resources to burn so we can mix and match underlying software frameworks without significant penalty. Diskspace is cheap for us. But every framework has a cost in terms of system resources. People who focus narrowly on developing a device platform know this and they make choices based on established system constraint targets. The closest thing we have in Fedora as a target system constraint is cdrom media constraints..and thats a very weak constraint compared to the sort of platform engineering that Maemo devs have to do...or the OLPC devs have to do...or the Moblin devs have to do. Speaking of Moblin... Is Mono part of the Moblin v2 beta reference? Anyone writing mono apps for Moblin? Any plans to include mono as part of the Moblin reference? python is in the Moblin beta reference repository..but I don't see mono. http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/test/beta/os/i586/ Now considering that both the Maemo and Moblin efforts are more closely aligned to the GNOME Mobile initiative than Fedora is, why exactly is Fedora being called out on mono? You'd think the really big scandal would be Moblin's lack of mono in its reference platform. Hell I don't even think they have a tomboy-alike application of any sort yet. Maybe that functionality won't be interesting there. Shrug. The most important things driving the streamlining and defining a platform experience around GNOME technologies is happening in the context of mobile devices..in devices where system resources are limited. If this is really the device market segment that is set for widescale linux deployment growth then its going to put pressure on people to provide a tight platform for resource conservation reasons. And it seems to me its a forgone conclusion that mono isn't going to be a part of those emerging platform definitions...regardless of what Fedora chooses to do in terms of default applications. Taking the time issue with Fedora's choices concerning handling of media constraints sort of missing the bigger picture of what is happening in terms of mono's lack of adoption as an important platform technology. -jef From amrossi at linux.it Wed Jun 24 11:44:51 2009 From: amrossi at linux.it (Andrea Modesto Rossi) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: odt template In-Reply-To: <4A412A50.4010204@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A4091AF.8060303@gmail.com> <4A411089.7000609@fedoraproject.org> <4A411C65.8030607@fedoraproject.org> <4A412A50.4010204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <38988.82.105.99.92.1245843891.squirrel@picard.linux.it> Hello, i'm Andrea Modesto Rossi, fedora ambassador from Italy and i'm writing (thanks to simo sorce) an article about FreeIPA. I'd like to know if there's a standard fedora template for openoffice writer, can you help me? Thanks in advantage. Ciao, -- Andrea Modesto Rossi Fedora Ambassador +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bello. Che gli diciamo? Che sono tutti stronzi monopolisti di merda,| | con i loro protocolli brevettati e i loro driver finestrosi? | | Ci sono! | | Alessandro Rubini | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bert at devnox.be Wed Jun 24 12:11:42 2009 From: bert at devnox.be (bert at devnox.be) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:11:42 +0200 Subject: odt template In-Reply-To: <38988.82.105.99.92.1245843891.squirrel@picard.linux.it> References: <38988.82.105.99.92.1245843891.squirrel@picard.linux.it> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amrossi at linux.it Wed Jun 24 12:17:58 2009 From: amrossi at linux.it (Andrea Modesto Rossi) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: odt template In-Reply-To: References: <38988.82.105.99.92.1245843891.squirrel@picard.linux.it> Message-ID: <39050.82.105.99.92.1245845878.squirrel@picard.linux.it> On Mer, 24 Giugno 2009 2:11 pm, bert at devnox.be wrote: > > I like kanarip's template: > http://kanarip.fedorapeople.org/fedora_template.otp well, it's very nice but it isn't for OO writer . -- Andrea Modesto Rossi Fedora Ambassador +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bello. Che gli diciamo? Che sono tutti stronzi monopolisti di merda,| | con i loro protocolli brevettati e i loro driver finestrosi? | | Ci sono! | | Alessandro Rubini | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frankly3d at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 07:52:16 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:52:16 +0100 Subject: Bad Press (Blog) Message-ID: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> As I'm not the best with quill: http://lunduke.com/?p=705 (Fedora 11: Not even remotely ready for usage.) Frank -- jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d (Skype will be scrapped as my im 1st July 2009) http://www.frankly3d.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 07:59:27 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:29:27 +0530 Subject: Bad Press (Blog) In-Reply-To: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> References: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A432E5F.1000706@fedoraproject.org> On 06/25/2009 01:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > As I'm not the best with quill: > http://lunduke.com/?p=705 > (Fedora 11: Not even remotely ready for usage.) This is Bryan from Linux Action Show that I had responded to earlier. The blog post has got comments from Adam Williamson (I pointed Adam to those since it was related to QA). Rahul From antonio.montagnani at alice.it Thu Jun 25 08:26:33 2009 From: antonio.montagnani at alice.it (antonio montagnani) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:26:33 +0200 Subject: Bad Press (Blog) In-Reply-To: <4A432E5F.1000706@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> <4A432E5F.1000706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A4334B9.1030506@alice.it> Rahul Sundaram ha scritto / said the following il giorno/on 25/06/2009 09:59: > On 06/25/2009 01:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> As I'm not the best with quill: >> http://lunduke.com/?p=705 >> (Fedora 11: Not even remotely ready for usage.) > > This is Bryan from Linux Action Show that I had responded to earlier. > The blog post has got comments from Adam Williamson (I pointed Adam to > those since it was related to QA). > > Rahul > Rahul, the only (minor issue) that I have is that screen on my laptop (intel driver) sometimes get dark when I am operating and gets back moving mouse: and also when screensaver should start I get a "frozen screen" and not immediately a blank screen. Can you point me to the appropriate bug?? Abour other issues, F11 on my systems work great!!! -- Antonio M Mob.+393386586046 Skype: antoniomontag ========================================================== Mail by Thunderbird 2.0 Websurfing by Firefox 3.0 ========================================================== Linux Fedora F11 (Leonidas) on Acer 5720 Linux user number 362582 www.campingmonterosa.com www.roburtennissaronno.com ========================================================== From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 08:30:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:00:44 +0530 Subject: Bad Press (Blog) In-Reply-To: <4A4334B9.1030506@alice.it> References: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> <4A432E5F.1000706@fedoraproject.org> <4A4334B9.1030506@alice.it> Message-ID: <4A4335B4.8070705@fedoraproject.org> On 06/25/2009 01:56 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: > > the only (minor issue) that I have is that screen on my laptop (intel > driver) sometimes get dark when I am operating and gets back moving > mouse: and also when screensaver should start I get a "frozen screen" > and not immediately a blank screen. > Can you point me to the appropriate bug?? > > Abour other issues, F11 on my systems work great!!! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Display_goes_blank_briefly.2C_apparently_at_random Rahul From antonio.montagnani at alice.it Thu Jun 25 08:44:36 2009 From: antonio.montagnani at alice.it (antonio montagnani) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:44:36 +0200 Subject: Bad Press (Blog) In-Reply-To: <4A4334B9.1030506@alice.it> References: <4A432CB0.9040301@gmail.com> <4A432E5F.1000706@fedoraproject.org> <4A4334B9.1030506@alice.it> Message-ID: <4A4338F4.2090003@alice.it> antonio montagnani ha scritto / said the following il giorno/on 25/06/2009 10:26: > Rahul Sundaram ha scritto / said the following il giorno/on 25/06/2009 > 09:59: >> On 06/25/2009 01:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: >>> As I'm not the best with quill: >>> http://lunduke.com/?p=705 >>> (Fedora 11: Not even remotely ready for usage.) >> >> This is Bryan from Linux Action Show that I had responded to earlier. >> The blog post has got comments from Adam Williamson (I pointed Adam to >> those since it was related to QA). >> >> Rahul >> > Rahul, > > the only (minor issue) that I have is that screen on my laptop (intel > driver) sometimes get dark when I am operating and gets back moving > mouse: and also when screensaver should start I get a "frozen screen" > and not immediately a blank screen. > Can you point me to the appropriate bug?? > > Abour other issues, F11 on my systems work great!!! > Found it!!! Bug 501601 - g-p-m powers off Dell XPS M1330 screen randomly, and for good -- Antonio M Mob.+393386586046 Skype: antoniomontag ========================================================== Mail by Thunderbird 2.0 Websurfing by Firefox 3.0 ========================================================== Linux Fedora F11 (Leonidas) on Acer 5720 Linux user number 362582 www.campingmonterosa.com www.roburtennissaronno.com ========================================================== From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 10:12:36 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:12:36 +0100 Subject: Help Wanted? Message-ID: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all, Just a little note to say that I've just handed in my final piece of work for this year, and am hoping to pick up little bits and pieces of Fedora stuff over the summer. I've been keeping tabs on what's going on, but wondered where help is most needed right now and how I can make myself most useful for the project again? Best, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 10:23:04 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:53:04 +0530 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> On 06/25/2009 03:42 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Good morning all, > > Just a little note to say that I've just handed in my final piece of > work for this year, and am hoping to pick up little bits and pieces of > Fedora stuff over the summer. I've been keeping tabs on what's going > on, but wondered where help is most needed right now and how I can > make myself most useful for the project again? Welcome back. Still looking for someone to drive https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178 Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jun 25 14:36:00 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:36:00 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/25/2009 03:42 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Good morning all, >> >> Just a little note to say that I've just handed in my final piece of >> work for this year, and am hoping to pick up little bits and pieces of >> Fedora stuff over the summer. I've been keeping tabs on what's going >> on, but wondered where help is most needed right now and how I can >> make myself most useful for the project again? >> > > Welcome back. Still looking for someone to drive > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178 > Rahul, That bug should be considered defunct. Please stop referring people to it. Jon, welcome back. You have always been a great asset to the marketing team and we would love to have you back with us. We are now working on this "Project FooBar" proposal which is a site to supersede and centralize many of otherwise, disjointed sites: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Project_FooBar Any thoughts on that? Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 18:46:50 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:16:50 +0530 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> On 06/25/2009 08:06 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> Welcome back. Still looking for someone to drive >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178 >> > Rahul, > > That bug should be considered defunct. Please stop referring people to it. Really? Why? Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jun 25 20:41:00 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Rahul, >> >> That bug should be considered defunct. Please stop referring people to it. >> > > Really? Why? > > Rahul > Hi Rahul, Sorry for my quick reaction. I was a bit confused because I had never heard or read about the news.fp.o stuff that you are working on. We have been working on the project foobar stuff in tandem and was kind of shocked because it looks like we are trying to do alot of the same thing. Can you please give me more information about what the goals of the news.fp.o stuff are? I also tried looking on the wiki and wasnt able to find anything. I think its just lack of communication and I want to fully understand what you are trying to do, as well as I want you to understand what it is that we are doing. You can find a link to the project foobar stuff here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Project_FooBar Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 20:43:11 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:13:11 +0530 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A43E15F.7020402@fedoraproject.org> On 06/26/2009 02:11 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > Sorry for my quick reaction. I was a bit confused because I had never > heard or read about the news.fp.o stuff that you are working on. We > have been working on the project foobar stuff in tandem and was kind of > shocked because it looks like we are trying to do alot of the same > thing. Can you please give me more information about what the goals of > the news.fp.o stuff are? Well, the news.fp.o effort is more than a year old and nothing new. Just without progress in a long time since I or others haven't been to find time to work on it. All the details you need is in the ticket. I assume, your effort was more of a magazine that would be published periodically rather than tailored towards adhoc news stories about Fedora. Is that not the case? Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jun 25 20:55:08 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:55:08 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A43E15F.7020402@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <4A43E15F.7020402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A43E42C.3070308@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/26/2009 02:11 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Well, the news.fp.o effort is more than a year old and nothing new. Just > without progress in a long time since I or others haven't been to find > time to work on it. All the details you need is in the ticket. I assume, > your effort was more of a magazine that would be published periodically > rather than tailored towards adhoc news stories about Fedora. Is that > not the case? > Well no, not necessarily, but it depends but what you mean by ad hoc. It is not meant to be strictly a magazine type setup which is published as a periodical, but it is supposed to be an aggregation and feed mechanism for relevant media based on whatever criteria we choose. What is the news.fp.o stuff supposed to distribute? Is it basically stuff like Fedora weekly news. Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 20:56:47 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:26:47 +0530 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A43E42C.3070308@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <4A43E15F.7020402@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E42C.3070308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A43E48F.3080705@fedoraproject.org> On 06/26/2009 02:25 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Well no, not necessarily, but it depends but what you mean by ad hoc. > It is not meant to be strictly a magazine type setup which is published > as a periodical, but it is supposed to be an aggregation and feed > mechanism for relevant media based on whatever criteria we choose. What > is the news.fp.o stuff supposed to distribute? Is it basically stuff > like Fedora weekly news. Look at news.opensuse.org or fridge.ubuntu.com for the type of content I was aiming for. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu Jun 25 23:17:50 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:17:50 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey Jack, > > After a quick bit of mailing list searching, found record of the > news.fp.o going back to at least march 2008 > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00207.html). > It goes back before that, but I've not kept looking. > > Me and Rahul both worked quite hard at sorting it out, along with > Frank Chiulli and Bret M, but it never managed to quite make it. The > goals, at least for what I was working towards, were very similar to > what you're trying to do with foobar... > A couple of quick thoughts. Rahul, I looked at the links which you have me for news.opensuse and ubuntu fridge. I don't think that our goals deviate too much as part of the purpose of foobar is to build a better fedora weekly news, both in content and distribution, but also to augment it with additional content. That being said, Jon mentioned that the goals were very similar and as per the thread you linked me to they seem to be. Given that the activity on that has waned over the last year, all things considered, can we discuss maybe merging these two vision under the foobar banner? I'm just curious if you guys think it will work. The time is ripe, we have many good ideas, we have vision, many of our guys are back on the radar, and enough so that I think we can honestly pull something like this off with a little bit of work in a fairly decent (3-4 month) time span and have it be very visually pleasing to boot. From there we can go in any number of different directions regarding who makes what types of content and how often. Thoughts? Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 25 23:30:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:00:05 +0530 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> On 06/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > The time is ripe, we have many good ideas, we have vision, many of our > guys are back on the radar, and enough so that I think we can honestly > pull something like this off with a little bit of work in a fairly > decent (3-4 month) time span and have it be very visually pleasing to > boot. From there we can go in any number of different directions > regarding who makes what types of content and how often. > > Thoughts? I don't mind. If it is a magazine, news etc combo, what would you call it? Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 26 00:27:49 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:27:49 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > >> The time is ripe, we have many good ideas, we have vision, many of our >> guys are back on the radar, and enough so that I think we can honestly >> pull something like this off with a little bit of work in a fairly >> decent (3-4 month) time span and have it be very visually pleasing to >> boot. From there we can go in any number of different directions >> regarding who makes what types of content and how often. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > I don't mind. If it is a magazine, news etc combo, what would you call it? > > Rahul > We are working on trying to figure out a name. Mo has suggested "Fedora First" what do you think about that? Jack From pcalarco at nd.edu Fri Jun 26 12:31:10 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:31:10 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A44BF8E.6010804@nd.edu> Hi Jack and Rahul -- I'm the current primary editor of FWN, and we have had some discussions in the past year within the team of developing a magazine style publication with JonRob, and even an irregular glossy print publication was proposed by Max and David Nalley. This is honestly the first I've heard of Project FooBar (as currently codenamed), so I am glad this discussion has come up! So it seems the driver of the effort is the marketing team, and that is appropriate; we're happy to plug content into a larger infrastructure that meets the needs of the Fedora project as a whole. Please count me in as a potential team member to help work on this. I'll be going on vacation July 2-26 but am happy to see some development in this area and work toward this common goal. - pascal Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> On 06/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> >> >>> The time is ripe, we have many good ideas, we have vision, many of our >>> guys are back on the radar, and enough so that I think we can honestly >>> pull something like this off with a little bit of work in a fairly >>> decent (3-4 month) time span and have it be very visually pleasing to >>> boot. From there we can go in any number of different directions >>> regarding who makes what types of content and how often. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >> I don't mind. If it is a magazine, news etc combo, what would you call it? >> >> Rahul >> >> > We are working on trying to figure out a name. Mo has suggested "Fedora > First" what do you think about that? > > Jack > > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 13:28:28 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:28:28 +0200 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090626132828.GD3518@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:27:49PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 06/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> >>> The time is ripe, we have many good ideas, we have vision, many of our >>> guys are back on the radar, and enough so that I think we can honestly >>> pull something like this off with a little bit of work in a fairly >>> decent (3-4 month) time span and have it be very visually pleasing to >>> boot. From there we can go in any number of different directions >>> regarding who makes what types of content and how often. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> I don't mind. If it is a magazine, news etc combo, what would you call it? >> >> Rahul >> > We are working on trying to figure out a name. Mo has suggested "Fedora > First" what do you think about that? "Fedora Free Press" "Fedora Gazette" "Fedora Dispatch" -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From ian at ianweller.org Fri Jun 26 13:36:22 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:36:22 -0500 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <20090626132828.GD3518@localhost.localdomain> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> <20090626132828.GD3518@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090626133622.GC2622@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:28:28PM +0200, Paul W. Frields wrote: > "Fedora Free Press" > "Fedora Gazette" > "Fedora Dispatch" > "Fedora World News" "The Fedora" "The Fedora Chronicle" "Fedora Newsroom" "The Daily Fedora with Paul Frields" :) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 06:02:39 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:32:39 +0530 Subject: TOI Artiicle - Open source is more stable and better supported In-Reply-To: <9ca074ea0906222056ic70e25fj62bec590f0b16fd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ca074ea0906222056ic70e25fj62bec590f0b16fd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00906272302h60960c8eu2511d2c427f77399@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, beta tester wrote: > Really great article will help a lot to me in convincing other people. If you would be using OOo as an example, do please take time to read up on how to handle migrations from MS-Office to OOo and, what are still OPEN issues. The idea is to present oneself as an informed evangelist who has checked things out oneself rather than a rabble-rouser. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jun 28 11:26:36 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: <4A44BF8E.6010804@nd.edu> References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> <4A44BF8E.6010804@nd.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Pascal Calarco wrote: > I'm the current primary editor of FWN, and we have had some > discussions in the past year within the team of developing a magazine > style publication with JonRob, and even an irregular glossy print > publication was proposed by Max and David Nalley. This is honestly > the first I've heard of Project FooBar (as currently codenamed), so I > am glad this discussion has come up! > > So it seems the driver of the effort is the marketing team, and that > is appropriate; we're happy to plug content into a larger > infrastructure that meets the needs of the Fedora project as a whole. > Please count me in as a potential team member to help work on this. > I'll be going on vacation July 2-26 but am happy to see some > development in this area and work toward this common goal. IMHO: Fedora News team continues to provide tons of content. Fedora Marketing & Websites & Design figures out delivery mechanism. Others are encouraged to create content and help out as well. It's a meta-project which has value to multiple Fedora sub-teams --Max From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 05:58:59 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:58:59 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted? In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0906250312k33014bffm1798b2b907ac971b@mail.gmail.com> <4A435008.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <4A438B50.5090408@redhat.com> <4A43C61A.2000600@fedoraproject.org> <4A43E0DC.3040805@redhat.com> <507738ef0906251435jd6b8e09hfa556d1dfd6a89da@mail.gmail.com> <4A44059E.7010003@redhat.com> <4A44087D.5040103@fedoraproject.org> <4A441605.9020609@redhat.com> <4A44BF8E.6010804@nd.edu> Message-ID: <4A485823.3050408@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > IMHO: > > Fedora News team continues to provide tons of content. > > Fedora Marketing & Websites & Design figures out delivery mechanism. > > Others are encouraged to create content and help out as well. > > It's a meta-project which has value to multiple Fedora sub-teams Yes very true, except that we also have the marketing team putting together content, because its not going to be strictly a news style setup, we want other engaging content. Okay going to sleep now! Jack From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 06:53:47 2009 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:23:47 +0530 Subject: f11 dvd Message-ID: <5ac533d50906282353x207ace36w22b2c0f64a79513a@mail.gmail.com> when will i recieve the f11 dvd arnav kalra (fedora inside) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think things will > work best if each team puts forth a representative. We will hold our > meetings on IRC or over Fedora Talk and they will be open to anyone, but > it will make it easier to schedule and coordinate the meetings if I know > who the key people from each team are. > > I believe the key teams we need representatives from are: Documentation, > Design, and Marketing. Are there any others? > > Once I know who the key people are I'll reach out to those people to > find a meeting time and day that works best. I'd like to get a response > by Thursday, June 25, 2009, so we can kick things off. > > Thanks, > John > Still waiting for a volunteer here :) Thanks, John From jaa at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 20:57:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:57:38 -0400 Subject: CMS (Zikula) kick-off In-Reply-To: <4A490F11.7060803@redhat.com> References: <4A402C37.5050008@redhat.com> <4A490F11.7060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A492AC2.1090609@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Still waiting for a volunteer here :) Hey John, I will attend whatever needs attending... Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 30 09:38:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:08:44 +0530 Subject: Raising the bar Message-ID: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> Hi https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg02332.html "we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them." Rahul From neugens at limasoftware.net Tue Jun 30 10:25:09 2009 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:25:09 +0200 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A49E805.2030405@limasoftware.net> Il 30/06/2009 11:38, Rahul Sundaram ha scritto: > Hi > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg02332.html > > "we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We > want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make > everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them." > > Rahul > Cool! This is the best thing I've heard since some time! Cheers, Mario From jaa at redhat.com Tue Jun 30 12:37:56 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:56 -0400 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.06.30 @ 20.00UTC/4PM Eastern/1PM Pacific Message-ID: <4A4A0724.6030106@redhat.com> Hello All, Please join us for our regularly scheduled marketing meeting today at 20.00UTC in #fedora-meeting. I would like to discuss the activity surrounding Project FooBar over the last week and start working on a plan to move things forward solidly. Thanks, Jack From josephsmidt at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:27:25 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:27:25 -0700 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <142682e10906300627r6fc56107k76af3de1b11dedc3@mail.gmail.com> This sounds like a great idea. Do we need to be running rawhide to help with the "Test Days"? I just need to know in advance. Thanks again and sounds like a great project. Joseph Smidt On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg02332.html > > "we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We > want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make > everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From josephsmidt at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:31:39 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:31:39 -0700 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <142682e10906300627r6fc56107k76af3de1b11dedc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> <142682e10906300627r6fc56107k76af3de1b11dedc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <142682e10906300631y6798ef66oe9e85ad7f5c20df@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Joseph Smidt wrote: > Do we need to be running rawhide to help with the "Test Days"? ?I just > need to know in advance. ?Thanks again and sounds like a great Oops, I see you already have the prerequisites down for each event. Great work again. Joseph Smidt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:20:27 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:20:27 +0800 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A49DD24.3070606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A4A2D3B.8000704@gmail.com> On 06/30/2009 05:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg02332.html > > "we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We > want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make > everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them." > > Rahul > > Had read this wiki page. This sure sound lovely - Fedora Desktop, that the way. -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 30 16:11:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:41:44 +0530 Subject: Sugar on a Stick brings sweet taste of Linux to classrooms Message-ID: <4A4A3940.40407@fedoraproject.org> Hi More innovation on top of Fedora brings the advantage of a vibrant community. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/sugar-on-a-stick-brings-sweet-taste-of-linux-to-classrooms.ars "SoaS is built on top of Fedora 11, which was released earlier this month. It is distributed as a 380MB ISO file which includes the operating system and all of the software applications. The image is intended to be written to a CD or USB memory stick so that the entire platform can be booted from removable media and used on regular desktop computers without requiring installation, partitioning, or any other changes to the computer itself." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 30 16:13:52 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:43:52 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 to be named Constantine Message-ID: <4A4A39C0.8000606@fedoraproject.org> Hi A couple of reports http://www.h-online.com/open/Fedora-12-to-be-named-Constantine--/news/113630 "The next version of Fedora is to be called "Constantine". The result was announced at FUDCon Berlin 2009 and follows a tradition of creating linked pairs of codenames; Fedora 11 was called "Leonidas" and the link in this case is that both Leonidas and Constantine are townships in the state of Michigan, USA. The link must, according to the rules, not repeat. Fedora 11, was preceded by Fedora 10, "Cambridge"; Cambridge and Leonidas were both ships of the United States Navy." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzM1MQ "After having gone to the community for looking at names, Red Hat has announced that the release of Fedora 12 will be codenamed Constantine. This name had the most votes and was approved by Red Hat's Legal department of being free of any potential issues. Constantine had beat out Umbria, Orville, Rugosa, and Chilon for having the most votes." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 30 16:41:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:05 +0530 Subject: OLPC software to power ageing PCs Message-ID: <4A4A4021.5050709@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8117064.stm "The latest release - Sugar on a Stick - allows anyone to run the software from a 1GB USB stick. It includes 40 programs, including a word processor, drawing application and games. Mr Bender said the ability to transport the software and plug it into any computer would allow children to have a "consistent experience" wherever they worked. "No matter what computer you have at home or at the library you're going to have the same use experience because you have sugar on a stick," he said." Rahul From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 18:27:20 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:27:20 +0100 Subject: "materials for ambassadors requests" Message-ID: <4A4A5908.3080609@gmail.com> cc' to Marketing Hi The Design team have now a trac system. In which if you need soem material "Stickers" etc. Got to: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/wiki Open a new ticket: materials for ambassadors requests Frank PS: I would ask that you check existing materials for ambassadors requests. In case someone else may have al;ready asked for it. -- jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development