From ian at ianweller.org Fri May 1 02:10:55 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:10:55 -0500 Subject: Slogan final In-Reply-To: <20090430134027.GM3111@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090430134027.GM3111@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090501021055.GA29069@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The slogan for Fedora 11 "Leonidas" will be: > "Reign." > This alone made my day so much better. :) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <49FB127A.5090306@redhat.com> http://www.e-linux.it/news_detail.php?id=8713 is all about Ubuntu. Would be good to have a similar F11 treatment. -- Harish Pillay 9v1hp hpillay at redhat.com +65.9636.9253 gpg id: 746809E3 gpg fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 1 15:29:01 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 20:59:01 +0530 Subject: In depth features profiles In-Reply-To: <49E354D7.907@redhat.com> References: <49E354D7.907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49FB153D.8060908@fedoraproject.org> On 04/13/2009 08:35 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > Can anyone who has an outstanding in depth feature profile due, try and > get them done soon. Moksha and Ext4 are outstanding as well as two of > my own, I am working on those now. I would like to have them done by > the meeting next week. > > Thanks, > Jack I have published a FAQ at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11 Talking to Eric Sandeen on a interview plus a secret bonus! Rahul From unidentified221 at gmail.com Fri May 1 18:24:44 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:24:44 -0500 Subject: F11 screenshots & tour In-Reply-To: References: <49F87EC5.4060803@redhat.com> <1241023284.2938.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241088364.3684.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241105298.7584.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: looks great, cant wait for F11 On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Steven Moix wrote: > > I started to upload pictures on >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour >> > > This is a great, great start! 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URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Sat May 2 09:45:06 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 15:15:06 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 preview release media coverage - so far In-Reply-To: <49F7ECA8.2020400@fedoraproject.org> References: <49F7ECA8.2020400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1241257506.3373.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 11:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3817686/Red+Hat+Fedora+11+Focuses+on+the+Linux+Desktop.htm > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_11_preview&num=1 > > http://www.h-online.com/open/Preview-of-the-Fedora-11-Linux-distribution-with-new-update-function--/news/113170 > > http://www.osnews.com/story/21388/Fedora_11_Preview_Release_Announced > > http://ostatic.com/blog/history-and-releases-are-cyclical-this-is-fedora-11 > > The following one talks about the alpha release > > http://linuxsysconfig.com/2009/03/fedora-11-preview/ > > Rahul > > hi, I came across this.. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-11-Beta-Screenshot-Tour-108264.shtml regards, Ankur From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat May 2 11:09:23 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 13:09:23 +0200 Subject: F11 screenshots & tour In-Reply-To: References: <49F87EC5.4060803@redhat.com> <1241023284.2938.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241088364.3684.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241105298.7584.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1241262563.3387.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:53 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Steven Moix wrote: > > > I started to upload pictures on > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour > > This is a great, great start! Thanks veyr much, Steven. I updated the page with several F11 features as well as some screenshots in every major desktop environment. I'm going to migrate my laptop to F11 for the fingerprint reader feature later today, but otherwise do we miss something? Steven From stickster at gmail.com Sat May 2 13:45:55 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:45:55 -0400 Subject: Presto in F11 Message-ID: <20090502134555.GC3520@localhost.localdomain> Hi Docs and Marketing teams, We probably need to update the release notes and, likely, several other pages on the wiki as well. After I posted this blog entry, one of the FESCo members politely pointed out that this feature will probably *not* be enabled in Fedora 11 because of some technical difficulties: http://paul.frields.org/?p=1611 I don't know all the places Presto has been included, because I know "feature lists" have been written in duplicate form in many places. Now would be the time to make sure they reflect reality. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat May 2 20:45:15 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 22:45:15 +0200 Subject: F11 screenshots & tour In-Reply-To: <1241262563.3387.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49F87EC5.4060803@redhat.com> <1241023284.2938.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241088364.3684.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241105298.7584.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241262563.3387.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1241297135.3472.4.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Hi again, On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 13:09 +0200, Steven Moix wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:53 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Steven Moix wrote: > > > > > I started to upload pictures on > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour > > > > This is a great, great start! Thanks veyr much, Steven. > > I updated the page with several F11 features as well as some screenshots > in every major desktop environment. I'm going to migrate my laptop to > F11 for the fingerprint reader feature later today, but otherwise do we > miss something? I'm now running Fedora 11, but unfortunately my fingerprint reader isn't supported, I have an "Authentec 2810" which isn't supported by fprint (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Integrated_Fingerprint_Reader). Steven From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sun May 3 09:20:18 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:20:18 +0200 Subject: In depth features profiles In-Reply-To: <49FB153D.8060908@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E354D7.907@redhat.com> <49FB153D.8060908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1241342438.436.9.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Hello, On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 20:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/13/2009 08:35 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > Can anyone who has an outstanding in depth feature profile due, try and > > get them done soon. Moksha and Ext4 are outstanding as well as two of > > my own, I am working on those now. I would like to have them done by > > the meeting next week. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > I have published a FAQ at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11 > > Talking to Eric Sandeen on a interview plus a secret bonus! This page is very helpful, although I find that the "How do I migrate from Ext3 to Ext4?" section lacks a bit of content. It would be helpful to list the procedure to migrate a disk after the installation there. I'm thinking about external USB drives for example :) Steven From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun May 3 09:57:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:27:44 +0530 Subject: In depth features profiles In-Reply-To: <1241342438.436.9.camel@x301.axianet.ch> References: <49E354D7.907@redhat.com> <49FB153D.8060908@fedoraproject.org> <1241342438.436.9.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Message-ID: <49FD6A98.5090102@fedoraproject.org> On 05/03/2009 02:50 PM, Steven Moix wrote:> > This page is very helpful, although I find that the "How do I migrate > from Ext3 to Ext4?" section lacks a bit of content. It would be helpful > to list the procedure to migrate a disk after the installation there. > I'm thinking about external USB drives for example :) Adding some information on that. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 5 14:07:05 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:07:05 -0400 Subject: Meeting TODAY 2009.05.05 @ 20.00UTC / 4 Eastern Message-ID: <4A004809.3000308@redhat.com> Hello All, Please join us for our weekly Fedora Marketing Team Meeting, Today, Tuesday May 5th 2009 @ 20.00 UTC. That's 4 Eastern and 1 Pacific. The meeting will take place in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. On the agenda for today is the wrap up of all actionable items, work on screenshot tour and discussion of anything left to do for release, and a brief look at post release topics. See you there, Jack From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue May 5 21:46:43 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:46:43 +0200 Subject: Revisor article on PCPlus Message-ID: <4A00B3C3.1000805@kanarip.com> """We're used to thinking of Linux distributions being set in stone. They're either KDE or Gnome, use a certain kernel and bundle certain applications. But this doesn't have to be the case. If you find yourself making the same adjustments each time you install a new distribution, it's worth creating your own customised version. Revisor is a tool that lets you do just this, and in this tutorial, we'll show you how...""" Read more: http://www.pcplus.co.uk/node/3020 Please digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Tutorial_Build_Your_Own_Linux_Distro_With_Fedora Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 5 22:13:03 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 03:43:03 +0530 Subject: Revisor article on PCPlus In-Reply-To: <4A00B3C3.1000805@kanarip.com> References: <4A00B3C3.1000805@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4A00B9EF.9020609@fedoraproject.org> On 05/06/2009 03:16 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > """We're used to thinking of Linux distributions being set in stone. > They're either KDE or Gnome, use a certain kernel and bundle certain > applications. But this doesn't have to be the case. If you find yourself > making the same adjustments each time you install a new distribution, > it's worth creating your own customised version. Revisor is a tool that > lets you do just this, and in this tutorial, we'll show you how...""" Old article which I posted to this list quite a while back. Nevertheless, digged. Rahul From ian at ianweller.org Wed May 6 04:37:17 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:37:17 -0500 Subject: hey look a shirt Message-ID: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> splatter v2.0. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.png SVG source is http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.svg. i'll upload to wiki tomorrow unless someone wants to do that for me and replace the current ones. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter it needs cleaned up a tad bit before production but it should be better for screenprinting than the previous ones. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm going to migrate my laptop to >> F11 for the fingerprint reader feature later today, but otherwise do we >> miss something? > > I'm now running Fedora 11, but unfortunately my fingerprint reader isn't > supported, I have an "Authentec 2810" which isn't supported by fprint > (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Integrated_Fingerprint_Reader). > > Steven > I've got the sugar desktop screenshots up, man it's getting better, IRC, Mail, Browsing! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour Tomorrow, I should have time to get the Fingerprint reader working in my vm and upload a few screenshots of that too. Cheers, Clint From steven.moix at axianet.ch Wed May 6 06:42:56 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:42:56 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-05-05 IRC Log Message-ID: <1241592196.2983.0.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Here is the log for the last meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-05-05 Steven From poelstra at redhat.com Wed May 6 12:45:34 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 05:45:34 -0700 Subject: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting Recap - 2009-05-04 In-Reply-To: <20090504200148.GB3699@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20090504200148.GB3699@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A01866E.8060201@redhat.com> Bill Nottingham said the following on 05/04/2009 01:01 PM Pacific Time: > == Preview Release == > > Known issues: > > * PPC had a variety of issues > o oversized > o installed the wrong kernel > o failed to install a bootloader > * assorted anaconda partitioning issues > > Discussed maybe using a separate config for PPC to keep it under size > constraints, but it was decided to stay with one config. > > == Deltarpm for F11 == > > Work needs done to either compose updates in a chroot (which has the F11 > deltarpm support) or to backport it to the OS release used to generate > updates. Seth Vidal is going to investigate which of these makes more sense. > Given the timeframe, this is tight for F11 final. rawhide will continue to > have deltas, as that's a separate compose process. > > == F12 schedule == > > The schedule proposed by John Poelstra for Fedora 12 in > https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1271 was reviewed. The following > changes were approved: > > * the alpha milestone was removed entirely Reading the IRC log am I correct in understanding that a more detailed summary is: "Remove all alpha release tasks from the schedule. There will be no alpha release because it does not provide enough value for the effort required to create it. There is little public testing value from it either." ? 1) What dates are we proposing for releasing "development snapshots" before the beta? We should put these on the schedule now. 2) The alpha release has always been a good first opportunity to start marketing our next release, sending out press releases, etc. Basically, drawing attention to the fact with the general public that a new release is in the works. Without an Alpha the first general press releases would be a month later. Is this okay? The Alpha also naturally gets the release notes process and other parts of Fedora going (not development focused tasks) early which is a good thing. We'd be losing that too. 3) If we do away with Alpha as we know it, leaving two test releases, can we simply call them "Alpha" and "Beta"? I've always thought "Preview Release" was a funny name for a test release and I think the terms "Alpha" and "Beta" are more familiar to the general public. Thanks, John > * due to conferences such as the Red Hat Summit, LinuxCon, and Linux > Plumber's Conference, each milestone from 'Final freeze: development' > (2009-09-15) should be shifted out one week. > > This pushes GA from 2009-10-27 to 2009-11-03. The schedule will be presented > for FESCo discussion at the 2009-05-08 meeting. > > For more information on any of these, see the full transcript at: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2009-may-04 > From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 6 15:09:45 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:09:45 -0400 Subject: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting Recap - 2009-05-04 In-Reply-To: <4A01866E.8060201@redhat.com> References: <20090504200148.GB3699@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <4A01866E.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A01A839.7010602@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > 1) What dates are we proposing for releasing "development snapshots" > before the beta? We should put these on the schedule now. Okay so this confused me a bit and I'm not so sure what this means. Does this mean that we eliminate the "alpha" entirely with the current "beta" becoming the new alpha and then the preview release being "beta" with development snapshots in the middle? > > 2) The alpha release has always been a good first opportunity to start > marketing our next release, sending out press releases, etc. Basically, > drawing attention to the fact with the general public that a new > release is in the works. Without an Alpha the first general press > releases would be a month later. Is this okay? The idea of not tying it to an Alpha is fine, so long as we have some anchor point or date. Right now, the marketing stuff, with the new schedule does tie to a time period +/- the date is each part of the release. If there is something significant which is going to replace alpha we can use that or arbitrarily we can always use some other fixed point in the schedule as an anchor. > The Alpha also naturally gets the release notes process and other parts > of Fedora going (not development focused tasks) early which is a good > thing. We'd be losing that too. Yup. We would need to define that kickoff by some other milestone. Now that I think about it, we could have a day we call Kickoff day or Countdown day when all this commences. I don't know if it will be as effective because I tend to think that the psychological milestone of an impending alpha release gets the ball rolling more quickly but thats just speculation. > > 3) If we do away with Alpha as we know it, leaving two test releases, > can we simply call them "Alpha" and "Beta"? I've always thought "Preview > Release" was a funny name for a test release and I think the terms > "Alpha" and "Beta" are more familiar to the general public. Again, so we switch the current "Beta" to "Alpha" and "Preview" to "Beta" right? It could still work from the marketing perspective as I stated above, we just need to make sure all the features that are being worked on are solidified a decent amount of time before whatever the first release in the cycle is so that we can have stuff available for then. Jack P.S. Was the art team informed about this because I would tend to think this would affect them as well? From notting at redhat.com Wed May 6 15:39:02 2009 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:39:02 -0400 Subject: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting Recap - 2009-05-04 In-Reply-To: <4A01866E.8060201@redhat.com> References: <20090504200148.GB3699@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <4A01866E.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090506153902.GA15272@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> John Poelstra (poelstra at redhat.com) said: >> * the alpha milestone was removed entirely > > Reading the IRC log am I correct in understanding that a more detailed > summary is: > "Remove all alpha release tasks from the schedule. > There will be no alpha release because it does not > provide enough value for the effort required to create > it. There is little public testing value from it > either." > ? > > 1) What dates are we proposing for releasing "development snapshots" > before the beta? We should put these on the schedule now. Not yet determined. (Skipping over marketing) > The Alpha also naturally gets the release notes process and other parts > of Fedora going (not development focused tasks) early which is a good > thing. We'd be losing that too. Is there no way for these to be started without a milestone? > 3) If we do away with Alpha as we know it, leaving two test releases, > can we simply call them "Alpha" and "Beta"? I've always thought "Preview > Release" was a funny name for a test release and I think the terms > "Alpha" and "Beta" are more familiar to the general public. Maybe 'beta 1' and 'beta 2'. Given that we're feature frozen, calling the first milestone 'alpha' seems odd; similarly, given the tree is frozen, calling the second one 'beta' doesn't quite fit. Bill From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 6 16:08:35 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:08:35 -0400 Subject: F11 Podcasts? Message-ID: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, I was in RH Boston last week and I've been recording a series of podcasts about the upcoming F11 Release. Most of my interviews so far have been centered around the Fedora release process and interesting new features in F11 and what its like to work on Fedora. I have 4 so far and would like peoples thoughts on what types of things they would like to hear about so that I can do some more. What do you think? Jack From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 6 17:04:14 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:04:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: F11 Podcasts? In-Reply-To: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> References: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I have 4 so far and would like peoples thoughts on what types of > things they would like to hear about so that I can do some more. Remind us of the interview subjects that we've already got, and then we can probably come up with some other names. How well did the recording-over-fedora-talk go? In other words, does physical proximity of the two people need to exist, or can we do an interview with anyone in the world? --Max From mdehaan at redhat.com Wed May 6 17:08:29 2009 From: mdehaan at redhat.com (Michael DeHaan) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:08:29 -0400 Subject: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> References: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <4A01C40D.8070801@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > splatter v2.0. > > http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.png > > SVG source is http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.svg. > i'll upload to wiki tomorrow unless someone wants to do that for me and > replace the current ones. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter > > it needs cleaned up a tad bit before production but it should be better > for screenprinting than the previous ones. > > Looks like a bird flew by and dropped some F's on your shirt. --Michael From irashadul at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:13:00 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (R.I. Ross) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:13:00 -0700 Subject: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <4A01C40D.8070801@redhat.com> References: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> <4A01C40D.8070801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580905061013w5b3dc4f3u70199e5f922dd48d@mail.gmail.com> great work indeed On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael DeHaan wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > >> splatter v2.0. >> >> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.png >> >> SVG source is http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.svg. >> i'll upload to wiki tomorrow unless someone wants to do that for me and >> replace the current ones. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter >> >> it needs cleaned up a tad bit before production but it should be better >> for screenprinting than the previous ones. >> >> >> > > Looks like a bird flew by and dropped some F's on your shirt. > > --Michael > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry Cafiero On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael DeHaan wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > >> splatter v2.0. >> >> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.png >> >> SVG source is http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.svg. >> i'll upload to wiki tomorrow unless someone wants to do that for me and >> replace the current ones. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter >> >> it needs cleaned up a tad bit before production but it should be better >> for screenprinting than the previous ones. >> >> >> > > Looks like a bird flew by and dropped some F's on your shirt. > > --Michael > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neugens at limasoftware.net Wed May 6 17:58:56 2009 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:58:56 +0200 Subject: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> References: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <1241632736.3819.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mar, 05/05/2009 alle 23.37 -0500, Ian Weller ha scritto: > splatter v2.0. > > http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.png > > SVG source is http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedora-splatter.svg. > i'll upload to wiki tomorrow unless someone wants to do that for me and > replace the current ones. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter > > it needs cleaned up a tad bit before production but it should be better > for screenprinting than the previous ones. I like it :) Mario From neugens at limasoftware.net Wed May 6 18:03:29 2009 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:03:29 +0200 Subject: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <1241632736.3819.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> <1241632736.3819.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1241633009.3819.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mer, 06/05/2009 alle 19.58 +0200, Mario Torre ha scritto: > I like it :) In fact, it could be better if even the fedora logo could also be "splatted", don't know if this is possible though. Mario From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 6 18:06:32 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:06:32 -0400 Subject: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <1241633009.3819.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090506043653.GA10197@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> <1241632736.3819.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1241633009.3819.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A01D1A8.9030002@redhat.com> Mario Torre wrote: > Il giorno mer, 06/05/2009 alle 19.58 +0200, Mario Torre ha scritto: > > >> I like it :) >> > > In fact, it could be better if even the fedora logo could also be > "splatted", don't know if this is possible though. > > Mario > > > heh, probably against logo guidelines. jack From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 6 19:36:22 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: podcats/in-depth-feature rollout plan Message-ID: Jack and I just spoke about the in-depth-feature and podcast rollout plan as part of the lead-up to Fedora 11. I'm going to summarize the general plan that we discussed here for any comments. Jack, note that I've made a few tweaks from what we discussed on the phone. All news is slated to hit at 10:00 AM EDT (UTC -4). We should try to get news pieces out on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, leading up to the final release. TODOs: (1) Start determining the focus of each date's news, and filling in the schedule. (2) Determine what the "release news about FOO" process actually looks like -- coordination w/ Planet, announce-list, News Distribution Network, Paul Frields, and Caroline Kazmerski. (3) Wikify this stuff. Jack, I'll let you run with it from here. I'm very interested to see comments from folks, and also volunteers to help out with different pieces of this. The rest of this email is a proposed schedule. === Fri May 8 -- draft of May 11 news to fedora-marketing-list Mon May 11 -- release news about ??? Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list Tue May 12 -- release news about ??? Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list Thu May 14 -- release news about ??? Friday May 15 -- draft of May 18 news to fedora-marketing-list Mon May 18 -- release news about ??? Mon May 18 -- draft of May 19 news to fedora-marketing-list Tue May 19 -- release news about ??? Wed May 20 -- draft of May 21 news to fedora-marketing-list Thu May 21 -- release news about ??? Fri May 22 -- draft of May 25 news to fedora-marketing-list Mon May May 25 -- release news about ??? May 26 -- F11 final release From ian at ianweller.org Wed May 6 20:29:05 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:05 -0500 Subject: Fw: hey look a shirt In-Reply-To: <64135.42996.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <64135.42996.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090506202905.GB3398@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:56:44AM -0700, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I don't know, I kind of think the lighter blue splatter behind the logotype is a > little distracting. I don't like how it's interacting with the logo, it just > seems like it's vibrating too much with the logo. > > Here's some alternative ideas to get the same kind of look/feel without buzzing > the logo so much: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/misc/splattershirts/splatter_mo-1.png > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/misc/splattershirts/splatter-mo-2.png > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/misc/splattershirts/splatter-mo-3.png > I think that on a shirt medium with screenprinting this won't be a problem as the white text will likely "pop out" more than it does on a computer monitor. I also don't really like the concept of the inverse splatter that you did in the above images. However I'd like to let other people determine which one they like better, see which one would provide more demand. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We've had the infinity logo > on that blue just fine in the past. > > -- > Ian Weller > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I like it! ;) I will print it and post it on our booth this weekend . Thanks! It's great! ;) -- Christos Bacharakis christos at bacharakis.com http://bacharakis.com GPG Key: 499F5C33 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu May 7 00:07:38 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 05:37:38 +0530 Subject: F11 Podcasts? In-Reply-To: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> References: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00905061707r17d35d20k29d585990f546d76@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I have 4 so far and would like peoples thoughts on what types of things > they would like to hear about so that I can do some more. There a couple of i18n/l10n improvements in F11, does it make sense to see if there could be a podcast ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 7 03:13:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:13:42 -0400 Subject: F11 Podcasts? In-Reply-To: <35586fc00905061707r17d35d20k29d585990f546d76@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> <35586fc00905061707r17d35d20k29d585990f546d76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090507031342.GG3517@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 05:37:38AM +0530, sankarshan wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > I have 4 so far and would like peoples thoughts on what types of things > > they would like to hear about so that I can do some more. > > There a couple of i18n/l10n improvements in F11, does it make sense to > see if there could be a podcast ? Sankarshan, Maybe you would be interested in doing one on ibus? The information you need to do the actual recording is on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu May 7 03:37:12 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:07:12 +0530 Subject: F11 Podcasts? In-Reply-To: <20090507031342.GG3517@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> <35586fc00905061707r17d35d20k29d585990f546d76@mail.gmail.com> <20090507031342.GG3517@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <35586fc00905062037w6515b1ccsd024e87f8e9219ed@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Maybe you would be interested in doing one on ibus? ?The information > you need to do the actual recording is on the wiki: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast I'm passing this to the i18n folks. It would be apt to get those more closer to the development talking about it. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work Sent from Pune, MH, India From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Thu May 7 05:40:39 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:10:39 +0530 (IST) Subject: hey look a shirt Message-ID: <811774.52177.qm@web95113.mail.in2.yahoo.com> >In fact, it could be better if even the fedora logo could also be >"splatted", don't know if this is possible though. Mario You cannot modify the logo, it's against the guidelines. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu _______________________________________________ Website : http://www.gauravlive.com Fedora India Ambassador : coolg5 Bring your gang together. Do your thing. 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Jack, note that I've made a few tweaks from what we discussed on > the phone. > > All news is slated to hit at 10:00 AM EDT (UTC -4). > > We should try to get news pieces out on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, > leading up to the final release. > > TODOs: > > (1) Start determining the focus of each date's news, and filling in the > schedule. > > (2) Determine what the "release news about FOO" process actually looks like > -- coordination w/ Planet, announce-list, News Distribution Network, Paul > Frields, and Caroline Kazmerski. > > (3) Wikify this stuff. > > Jack, I'll let you run with it from here. I'm very interested to see > comments from folks, and also volunteers to help out with different pieces of > this. > > The rest of this email is a proposed schedule. > > === > > Fri May 8 -- draft of May 11 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Mon May 11 -- release news about ??? > > Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Tue May 12 -- release news about ??? > > Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Thu May 14 -- release news about ??? > > Friday May 15 -- draft of May 18 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Mon May 18 -- release news about ??? > > Mon May 18 -- draft of May 19 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Tue May 19 -- release news about ??? > > Wed May 20 -- draft of May 21 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Thu May 21 -- release news about ??? > > Fri May 22 -- draft of May 25 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Mon May May 25 -- release news about ??? > > May 26 -- F11 final release > > From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 7 13:57:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:57:38 -0400 Subject: podcats/in-depth-feature rollout plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A02E8D2.6010708@redhat.com> Just to be clear, what do you mean by "news" since there is an awful lot of reference to it, but no clear definition. I take news to many anything which is going to be written up and presented, including not only print stuff, but podcasts as well. Are we on the same page? Max Spevack wrote: > Any feedback or thoughts? What do folks think makes the most sense in > terms of "ordering" the news that we want to get out? What's a good > thing to start with? How do we keep momentum and vary the news > between different types of users? etc. > > --Max > > On Wed, 6 May 2009, Max Spevack wrote: > >> Jack and I just spoke about the in-depth-feature and podcast rollout >> plan as part of the lead-up to Fedora 11. >> >> I'm going to summarize the general plan that we discussed here for >> any comments. Jack, note that I've made a few tweaks from what we >> discussed on the phone. >> >> All news is slated to hit at 10:00 AM EDT (UTC -4). >> >> We should try to get news pieces out on Mondays, Tuesdays, and >> Thursdays, leading up to the final release. >> >> TODOs: >> >> (1) Start determining the focus of each date's news, and filling in >> the schedule. >> >> (2) Determine what the "release news about FOO" process actually >> looks like -- coordination w/ Planet, announce-list, News >> Distribution Network, Paul Frields, and Caroline Kazmerski. >> >> (3) Wikify this stuff. >> >> Jack, I'll let you run with it from here. I'm very interested to see >> comments from folks, and also volunteers to help out with different >> pieces of this. >> >> The rest of this email is a proposed schedule. >> >> === >> >> Fri May 8 -- draft of May 11 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Mon May 11 -- release news about ??? >> >> Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Tue May 12 -- release news about ??? >> >> Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Thu May 14 -- release news about ??? >> >> Friday May 15 -- draft of May 18 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Mon May 18 -- release news about ??? >> >> Mon May 18 -- draft of May 19 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Tue May 19 -- release news about ??? >> >> Wed May 20 -- draft of May 21 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Thu May 21 -- release news about ??? >> >> Fri May 22 -- draft of May 25 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Mon May May 25 -- release news about ??? >> >> May 26 -- F11 final release >> >> > From steven.moix at axianet.ch Fri May 8 06:01:53 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:01:53 +0200 Subject: News and media coverage plan for Fedora 11 Message-ID: <1241762533.2350.5.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Hello everyone, The release date for Fedora 11 is coming close, so it's time for some coordination between the Ambassadors and the Marketing group! In this mail, I'm going to address different points, so everyone has a clear view of what is going on and how we can effectively split up the tasks. Also any feedback is of course welcome. 1. In the next couple of days, the Documentation team is going to write an official Release Announcement for Fedora 11 in English. 2. As soon as this document exists in a final form, it is going to be translated in a couple of languages, if all goes well German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi, Italian and Arabic. This will be coordinated by the Documentation team with the aid of the Translation team. These translated versions should be available a few days before the final release. Now with that being done, we need to coordinate around everything else. Earlier this year, the Marketing group has set up a structure called the News Distribution Network (NDN) [1], which aims to distribute Fedora news to the global media. Some Ambassadors from different languages have joined this effort and will be pushing news to a list of publication [2] they maintain. Besides that, there are a number of ways in which we really need the Ambassadors help: 1. Track all the Fedora news you see on the web and add it to our press archive page [3], this will help us judge the depth of coverage so that we can focus our messaging more precisely in the future. 2. At release time, and for a couple of days after that, we need you to follow the comments on news websites. People will probably have questions there, or you will have Fedora Myths to bust [4]. As much as some of us might like to flame people, our official policy is to be as professional and possible while at the same time making our points clear and well understood. Making members of the community angry us will prove unproductive. 3. Blog! You can start right now, get vocal about Fedora! Talk about the upcoming release and what the time table is. Talk about a feature you care about. Talk about how we got to 11, but most importantly, just talk! If you feel like there is anything to add to this list, then please feel free to reply and make sure to cross post to fedora-marketing-list as well. Also, please let everyone know in what capacity you can help so that we can coordinate efforts amongst everyone. I hope that everyone has a better understanding of the process now :) 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications 3: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11 4: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths Have a nice day Steven From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri May 8 07:19:14 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:19:14 -0700 Subject: [Maximum PC] There's Way More to Linux than Ubuntu: 8 Distros Compared Message-ID: <4A03DCF2.4090401@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/theres_way_more_linux_ubuntu_8_distros_compared "Fedora's documentation is fairly poor compared to that of other distros, so any assistance must come from outside sources. Unlike Ubuntu, Fedora has a strict stance on allowing only free open source software in its default installation. (this means no non-free proprietary drivers are available out of the box) Fortunately, Fedora includes a guide about how to set up non-free software if you need it. Like Ubuntu, Fedora has an entire support forum dedicated to it: http://www.fedoraforum.org." Comment welcome. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya at fedoraproject.org W: http://thefinalzone.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkoD3O4ACgkQa10Jb0NOz+E/FACfXwSkCli4+tffH4jMW/A37STk RqsAn31ydkISH/zDsJnZpUPPLQGzGIYT =o6lY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From affix at FedoraProject.org Fri May 8 07:34:31 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:34:31 +0100 Subject: Linux ISOs In-Reply-To: <4025723A-5E32-4D5A-A9B3-78A4F9DE010D@whatsmyip.org> References: <4025723A-5E32-4D5A-A9B3-78A4F9DE010D@whatsmyip.org> Message-ID: Personally I think that defeats the purpose of having an open source 100% Free Operating System. At the fedora project we provide free disks as part of our Free Media Program. All anyone has to do is ask On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Admin wrote: > Hi > I just started a linux 'Download-Burn-Mail' service for downloading ISO's > for people. It's not a free service, but its very very cheap, and we get the > discs in the mail next-day. So if you are interested in linking to our > service, please feel free to do so :-) > > http://www.whatsmyip.org/osdiscsbymail/ > > And of course, email me if you have any questions or comments about it. > > Thanks > John > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - - http://keiran-smith.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From indigo196 at rochester.rr.com Fri May 8 11:28:05 2009 From: indigo196 at rochester.rr.com (indigo196 at rochester.rr.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 7:28:05 -0400 Subject: Linux ISOs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090508112805.7H7PZ.378032.root@hrndva-web23-z02> Keiran: I am not aware of people not being able to make money off of open source. While Fedora gives away media there are additional services that a disk burning service can provide. 1) Custom burns that include all the patches to-date for that distro 2) Faster delivery than the distro's free ordering process While most will choose to download the .iso themselves, these services help those with meetered connections or those that are still on dial-up. I truly do not see the conflict with FOSS and companies making money from it. cprofitt ---- Keiran Smith wrote: > Personally I think that defeats the purpose of having an open source 100% > Free Operating System. At the fedora project we provide free disks as part > of our Free Media Program. All anyone has to do is ask > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Admin wrote: > > > Hi > > I just started a linux 'Download-Burn-Mail' service for downloading ISO's > > for people. It's not a free service, but its very very cheap, and we get the > > discs in the mail next-day. So if you are interested in linking to our > > service, please feel free to do so :-) > > > > http://www.whatsmyip.org/osdiscsbymail/ > > > > And of course, email me if you have any questions or comments about it. > > > > Thanks > > John > > > > -- > > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > > Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > > > > > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > - http://keiran-smith.net From indigo196 at rochester.rr.com Fri May 8 11:34:02 2009 From: indigo196 at rochester.rr.com (indigo196 at rochester.rr.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 7:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Maximum PC] There's Way More to Linux than Ubuntu: 8 Distros Compared In-Reply-To: <4A03DCF2.4090401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090508113402.AC1R7.378062.root@hrndva-web23-z02> Interesting to see Fedora out-score Ubuntu. ---- Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/theres_way_more_linux_ubuntu_8_distros_compared > > "Fedora's documentation is fairly poor compared to that of other > distros, so any assistance must come from outside sources. Unlike > Ubuntu, Fedora has a strict stance on allowing only free open source > software in its default installation. (this means no non-free > proprietary drivers are available out of the box) Fortunately, Fedora > includes a guide about how to set up non-free software if you need it. > Like Ubuntu, Fedora has an entire support forum dedicated to it: > http://www.fedoraforum.org." > > Comment welcome. > > > > - -- > Luya Tshimbalanga > Graphic & Web Designer > E: luya at fedoraproject.org > W: http://thefinalzone.net > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoD3O4ACgkQa10Jb0NOz+E/FACfXwSkCli4+tffH4jMW/A37STk > RqsAn31ydkISH/zDsJnZpUPPLQGzGIYT > =o6lY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri May 8 11:44:34 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:14:34 +0530 Subject: Linux ISOs In-Reply-To: References: <4025723A-5E32-4D5A-A9B3-78A4F9DE010D@whatsmyip.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: > Personally I think that defeats the purpose of having an open source 100% > Free Operating System. At the fedora project we provide free disks as part > of our Free Media Program. All anyone has to do is ask Selling Fedora Media at a price is perfectly fine and don't have any conflict with freemedia. > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Admin wrote: >> >> Hi >> I just started a linux 'Download-Burn-Mail' service for downloading ISO's >> for people. It's not a free service, but its very very cheap, and we get the >> discs in the mail next-day. So if you are interested in linking to our >> service, please feel free to do so :-) >> >> http://www.whatsmyip.org/osdiscsbymail/ Thanks for the initiative. Could you please list yourself in the online vendor page?[1] [1]fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Mumbai, Maharashtra, India From kam at kamsalisbury.com Fri May 8 11:46:56 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 04:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux ISOs Message-ID: <4a041bb0.0136640a.6ce4.ffffdd7b@mx.google.com> > 1) The Free Media Program is under-resourced, and a voluntary effort. > 2) This is hardly the first instance Please also remember the ambassadors and others that, because of their passion for Fedora and other FOSS, provide copies of current releases at their LUG events. Kam From jaa at redhat.com Fri May 8 16:24:05 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:24:05 -0400 Subject: News and media coverage plan for Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <1241762533.2350.5.camel@x301.axianet.ch> References: <1241762533.2350.5.camel@x301.axianet.ch> Message-ID: <4A045CA5.3000308@redhat.com> Was this posted to ambassadors-list? Steven Moix wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The release date for Fedora 11 is coming close, so it's time for some > coordination between the Ambassadors and the Marketing group! In this > mail, I'm going to address different points, so everyone has a clear > view of what is going on and how we can effectively split up the tasks. > Also any feedback is of course welcome. > > 1. In the next couple of days, the Documentation team is going to write > an official Release Announcement for Fedora 11 in English. > 2. As soon as this document exists in a final form, it is going to be > translated in a couple of languages, if all goes well German, French, > Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi, Italian and Arabic. This will be coordinated > by the Documentation team with the aid of the Translation team. These > translated versions should be available a few days before the final > release. > > Now with that being done, we need to coordinate around everything else. > > Earlier this year, the Marketing group has set up a structure called the > News Distribution Network (NDN) [1], which aims to distribute Fedora > news to the global media. Some Ambassadors from different languages have > joined this effort and will be pushing news to a list of publication [2] > they maintain. > > Besides that, there are a number of ways in which we really need the > Ambassadors help: > > 1. Track all the Fedora news you see on the web and add it to our press > archive page [3], this will help us judge the depth of coverage so that > we can focus our messaging more precisely in the future. > 2. At release time, and for a couple of days after that, we need you to > follow the comments on news websites. People will probably have > questions there, or you will have Fedora Myths to bust [4]. As much as > some of us might like to flame people, our official policy is to be as > professional and possible while at the same time making our points clear > and well understood. Making members of the community angry us will prove > unproductive. > 3. Blog! You can start right now, get vocal about Fedora! Talk about the > upcoming release and what the time table is. Talk about a feature you > care about. Talk about how we got to 11, but most importantly, just > talk! > > If you feel like there is anything to add to this list, then please feel > free to reply and make sure to cross post to fedora-marketing-list as > well. Also, please let everyone know in what capacity you can help so > that we can coordinate efforts amongst everyone. I hope that everyone > has a better understanding of the process now :) > > 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network > 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications > 3: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F11 > 4: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths > > Have a nice day > Steven > > From steven.moix at axianet.ch Fri May 8 16:35:58 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:35:58 +0200 Subject: News and media coverage plan for Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A045CA5.3000308@redhat.com> References: <1241762533.2350.5.camel@x301.axianet.ch> <4A045CA5.3000308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A045F6E.8030507@axianet.ch> On 05/08/2009 06:24 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Was this posted to ambassadors-list? Posted, yes. Published on the list, looks like it wasn't the case. I posted it as a non registered user and didn't get any messages back. So it might be on review somewhere...Meanwhile I re-subscribed to the ambassador ML but didn't get any confirmation mail yet. Steven From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri May 8 16:37:54 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:37:54 -0600 Subject: News and media coverage plan for Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A045F6E.8030507@axianet.ch> References: <1241762533.2350.5.camel@x301.axianet.ch> <4A045CA5.3000308@redhat.com> <4A045F6E.8030507@axianet.ch> Message-ID: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Steven Moix wrote: > On 05/08/2009 06:24 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >> Was this posted to ambassadors-list? > > Posted, yes. Published on the list, looks like it wasn't the case. I posted > it as a non registered user and didn't get any messages back. So it might be > on review somewhere...Meanwhile I re-subscribed to the ambassador ML but > didn't get any confirmation mail yet. > > Steven > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I'm taking care of it now Clint From mspevack at redhat.com Fri May 8 16:39:10 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: podcats/in-depth-feature rollout plan In-Reply-To: <4A02E8D2.6010708@redhat.com> References: <4A02E8D2.6010708@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Just to be clear, what do you mean by "news" since there is an awful > lot of reference to it, but no clear definition. I take news to many > anything which is going to be written up and presented, including not > only print stuff, but podcasts as well. Are we on the same page? Yep, on the same page. Sending this on delay since I'm on PTO today :) From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:13:25 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:13:25 -0400 Subject: F11 Podcasts? In-Reply-To: References: <4A01B603.4000808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090508211325.GL4080@localhost.localdomain> ** Delayed due to a laptop MUA snafu ** On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 07:04:14PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> I have 4 so far and would like peoples thoughts on what types of things >> they would like to hear about so that I can do some more. > > Remind us of the interview subjects that we've already got, and then we > can probably come up with some other names. > > How well did the recording-over-fedora-talk go? In other words, does > physical proximity of the two people need to exist, or can we do an > interview with anyone in the world? I ran an interview with Richard Hughes on Thursday morning. I'll be mixing it this weekend and delivering by Monday if all goes well. In other words, I can confirm it works fine, as documented on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 9 14:17:45 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:47:45 +0530 Subject: Editorial: What You Should Expect from Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A059089.4050603@fedoraproject.org> Hi Some information is incorrect. We don't install x86_64 kernel on x86 systems though that was the earlier plan. Openoffice.org is still the default for the regular CD/DVD set. Otherewise a decent overview http://news.softpedia.com/news/Softpedia-Linux-Weekly-Issue-43-110723.shtml#0 Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 9 14:20:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:50:26 +0530 Subject: A Peek at DeviceKit in Fedora 11 and beyond Message-ID: <4A05912A.4070900@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.osnews.com/story/21457/A_Peek_at_DeviceKit_in_Fedora_11_and_Beyond "Red Hat, which started the HAL project many years ago, has deprecated it in favor of a new initiative called DeviceKit. David Zeuthen, primary developer of DeviceKit, has posted on his blog about the work done by the Red Hat Desktop team in Fedora 11 for improving the storage layer in GNOME by taking advantage of DeviceKit. This includes desktop notification if your hard disk is failing, a desktop utility to handle RAID and LVM storage, a replacement for the venerable gfloppy, and many others" Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 11 18:09:38 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:39:38 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks Message-ID: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> Hi The original story writer seems well meaning but perhaps a bit confused as he primarily writes about Ubuntu but also mentions Red Hat and Fedora. A clarification might help. Anyone wants to step up? http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/09/213258&art_pos=2 Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Mon May 11 18:07:59 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:07:59 -0400 Subject: DRAFT: Plan for F11 Marketing/Press Push In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A08697F.8080004@redhat.com> Below is a DRAFT plan for the marketing and press push for Fedora 11. Please let me know what you think. Any and all comments are welcome. Max Spevack wrote: > Jack and I just spoke about the in-depth-feature and podcast rollout > plan as part of the lead-up to Fedora 11. > > I'm going to summarize the general plan that we discussed here for any > comments. Jack, note that I've made a few tweaks from what we > discussed on the phone. > > All news is slated to hit at 10:00 AM EDT (UTC -4). > > We should try to get news pieces out on Mondays, Tuesdays, and > Thursdays, leading up to the final release. > > TODOs: > > (1) Start determining the focus of each date's news, and filling in > the schedule. Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list Tue May 12 -- release news about "General Release Run-up" & Audio Interview with Jesse Keating, Fedora Release Engineer Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list Thu May 14 -- release news about "Package Kit" & Audio & Print Interview with Richard Hughes Friday May 15 -- draft of May 18 news to fedora-marketing-list Mon May 18 -- release news about "More General Release Run-up, General Overview" & Audio Interview with Tom "Spot" Callway, Fedora Engineering Manager Mon May 18 -- draft of May 19 news to fedora-marketing-list Tue May 19 -- release news about "Kernel Mode Setting" & Audio & Print Interview with Adam Jackson, X/Desktop Developer Wed May 20 -- draft of May 21 news to fedora-marketing-list Thu May 21 -- release news about "New Mixer in F11" & Print Interview with Lennart Poettering Thu May 21-- release news about "Virtualization Gets an Upgrade in F11" & Print Interview with Daniel Berrange Fri May 22 -- draft of May 25 news to fedora-marketing-list Mon May 25 -- release news about "Fedora Community" & Audio and Print Interview with Luke Macken Mon May 25 -- ensure that all content is in place for May 26, including all news from NDN, Official Sources, Comunity Sources, Release Announcement, etc... May 26 -- F11 final release May 26 -- Marketing and Ambassadors actively monitoring news sources and following up. > > (2) Determine what the "release news about FOO" process actually looks > like -- coordination w/ Planet, announce-list, News Distribution > Network, Paul Frields, and Caroline Kazmerski. For each news item, we should have ideally, one person posting to planet, with others pointing to that post. Can Paul post to announce-list? NDN of course is responsible for forwarding news to correct outfits and following up with them. > > (3) Wikify this stuff. > Putting this up as part of our official schedule for the release. Jack From jaa at redhat.com Mon May 11 18:26:16 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:26:16 -0400 Subject: REMINDER: Meeting Tomorrow 2009.05.12 @ 20.00 UTC Message-ID: <4A086DC8.50902@redhat.com> Hey All, We will have our marketing meeting, as scheduled, tomorrow. IT IS CRITICAL that everyone who is involved in the final steps of the marketing plan for Fedora 11 and our final marketing and press push leading up to the release be present. On the agenda will be to review the DRAFT Schedule which I put up and any changes people wish to make to it. Also, I would like to coordinate all the efforts with everyone involved to make sure that our plan is solid. 20.00UTC, 4PM Eastern, 1PM Pacific. See you there. Jack From mspevack at redhat.com Mon May 11 19:37:52 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: DRAFT: Plan for F11 Marketing/Press Push In-Reply-To: <4A08697F.8080004@redhat.com> References: <4A08697F.8080004@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Tue May 12 -- release news about "General Release Run-up" & Audio > Interview with Jesse Keating, Fedora Release Engineer Do we have some text that is going to accompany this release? I also think we should try to ensure that the subject of the podcast has a chance to give the edited version a listen prior to its release, just to give it a +1 or recommend any changes. Come tomorrow morning when we release the news (and every morning that we release news), what is the plan? What is being sent to blogs, mailing lists, and the news distribution network? How is the NDN being coordinated? We need to sort out these details because we will be repeating this process a number of times in the next 2 weeks. > Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list > > Thu May 14 -- release news about "Package Kit" & Audio & Print > Interview with Richard Hughes We have a nice interview here that we can summarize. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_in_Fedora_11 I believe that Paul Frields is editing the audio interview that was conducted with Richard. Hopefully this will be ready with enough time to let Richard listen to it and give it a +1. --Max From jaa at redhat.com Mon May 11 23:12:37 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:12:37 -0400 Subject: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push Message-ID: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> Hello All, The press push for Fedora 11 will be in full effect starting tomorrow. Below is what I will post to the Fedora planet and submit to other news channels tomorrow. Something will be posted about this to announce list tomorrow. Also, this is what should be distributed by the NDN folks and please ambassadors and others if you can help drum up support by linking to this, that would be great. Of course let me know what you think. I will be tweaking this again assuming I get some good feedback. I will be back on the computer at around 11pm. Thanks Jack -------------- The Countdown to Fedora 11 - "Fedora 11 General Overview with Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating" Fedora 11 is less than two weeks away. The excitement is in the air as well can't wait to see the product a more than a few long months of hard work. It's prime time to start the countdown clock and start talking about the upcoming release, talk about what users can expect to see, highlight new features and describe some of the enhancements that we can all look forward too. As part of a series of Podcast and print interviews, Today, I would like to present the first podcast in the Fedora 11 Podcast series, an Interview with long time Fedora contributor and Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating. The Audio can be found here: http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora 11 Overview - Jesse Keating.mp3 In the interview, Jesse talks to us about the achievement milestone of putting together 11 releases, the process of planning and putting together a Fedora release, how it was done for F11 and also some of the tools, which he helped create which are used to put together the Fedora distribution. He talks about Pungi [https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/] and Revisor [http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/] which are tools used to compose the Fedora tree and create a custom remix or re-spin, respesctively. He also talks about some of the changes which have taken place under the hood to enable Fedora's new super fast boot up. Jesse takes us on a whirlwind tour of some of the greatest enhancements we can look forward to in F11, including changes to PackageKit and a new upstream version of RPM, the new default ext4 filesystem, enhanced fingerprint support for authentication and what we can look forward to in the future releases of Fedora. The Full Fedora 11 Feature list can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList and you can look forward to more in depth coverage of some of those features and of the upcoming release in the days to come. Fedora 11 is sure to prove a highly innovative and technology advanced release. Fedora 11. Get ready. There's reason to be excited! From ian at ianweller.org Mon May 11 23:24:35 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:24:35 -0500 Subject: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:12:37PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora 11 Overview - Jesse Keating.mp3 > This really does need to be OGG Vorbis. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support Also the properly encoded and clickable URL is http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.mp3 -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 11 23:47:54 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:17:54 +0530 Subject: Theora pulling ahead of H264 Message-ID: <4A08B92A.3020008@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.osnews.com/story/21451/Theora_Pulling_Ahead_of_H264 "Chris Montgomery, otherwise known as Monty, is the founder of Xiph.org foundation and creator of the Ogg container format. He has been sponsored by Red Hat for several years to improve the codec quality of Theora and the next generation version, called Thusnelda, is already proving to be better than H264 as bitrate increases. Monty has posted some test results demonstrating the improvements. Chris Blizzard from Mozilla Foundation has some updates as well." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:54:39 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:54:39 -0400 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39:38PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > The original story writer seems well meaning but perhaps a bit confused > as he primarily writes about Ubuntu but also mentions Red Hat and > Fedora. A clarification might help. Anyone wants to step up? The original story is here: http://www.pcworld.com/article/164633/trademarks_the_hidden_menace.html There already seem to be a number of people poking at the large holes in this article, including the outside counsel for the OSI, Mark Radcliffe. Do we really have much to add to the discussion? If so, no problem, just note what you're interested in having clarified. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:58:19 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:58:19 -0400 Subject: DRAFT: Plan for F11 Marketing/Press Push In-Reply-To: References: <4A08697F.8080004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090511235819.GV7127@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:37:52PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Mon May 11 -- draft of May 12 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Tue May 12 -- release news about "General Release Run-up" & Audio >> Interview with Jesse Keating, Fedora Release Engineer > > Do we have some text that is going to accompany this release? I also > think we should try to ensure that the subject of the podcast has a > chance to give the edited version a listen prior to its release, just to > give it a +1 or recommend any changes. Agreed. I emailed Richard with my podcast, and he is supposed to get back to me by tomorrow. I think he trusts me with the editing process but I like to be sure. I would note that these podcasts take real time to do well! The actual taping took about 45 minutes, including fiddling. The editing took more than three hours, although part of that time was me re-learning my way through Audacity. > Come tomorrow morning when we release the news (and every morning that we > release news), what is the plan? What is being sent to blogs, mailing > lists, and the news distribution network? How is the NDN being > coordinated? We need to sort out these details because we will be > repeating this process a number of times in the next 2 weeks. +1. >> Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list >> >> Thu May 14 -- release news about "Package Kit" & Audio & Print >> Interview with Richard Hughes > > We have a nice interview here that we can summarize. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_in_Fedora_11 > > I believe that Paul Frields is editing the audio interview that was > conducted with Richard. Hopefully this will be ready with enough time to > let Richard listen to it and give it a +1. Yup, see above. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 00:04:42 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:34:42 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A08BD1A.3070406@fedoraproject.org> On 05/12/2009 05:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39:38PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> The original story writer seems well meaning but perhaps a bit confused >> as he primarily writes about Ubuntu but also mentions Red Hat and >> Fedora. A clarification might help. Anyone wants to step up? > > The original story is here: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/164633/trademarks_the_hidden_menace.html > > There already seem to be a number of people poking at the large holes > in this article, including the outside counsel for the OSI, Mark > Radcliffe. Do we really have much to add to the discussion? If so, > no problem, just note what you're interested in having clarified. Specifically " To be fair, at the time of the creation of the Enterprise distro, Red Hat also created the Fedora project to encourage the creation of an entirely unrestricted Linux distro. " In the context of the article, he seems to assume that Fedora is not a trademark. Otherwise that comparison doesn't make sense. Of course, Fedora trademark guidelines are more liberal being a community project as opposed to a commercial product. That warrants a response IMO. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 00:06:44 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:36:44 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> On 05/12/2009 05:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39:38PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> The original story writer seems well meaning but perhaps a bit confused >> as he primarily writes about Ubuntu but also mentions Red Hat and >> Fedora. A clarification might help. Anyone wants to step up? > > The original story is here: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/164633/trademarks_the_hidden_menace.html > > There already seem to be a number of people poking at the large holes > in this article, including the outside counsel for the OSI, Mark > Radcliffe. Do we really have much to add to the discussion? If so, > no problem, just note what you're interested in having clarified. ... btw, LWN has picked it up now http://lwn.net/Articles/332848 Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 00:02:28 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:02:28 -0400 Subject: Theora pulling ahead of H264 In-Reply-To: <4A08B92A.3020008@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A08B92A.3020008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090512000228.GW7127@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:17:54AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://www.osnews.com/story/21451/Theora_Pulling_Ahead_of_H264 > > "Chris Montgomery, otherwise known as Monty, is the founder of Xiph.org > foundation and creator of the Ogg container format. He has been > sponsored by Red Hat for several years to improve the codec quality of > Theora and the next generation version, called Thusnelda, is already > proving to be better than H264 as bitrate increases. Monty has posted > some test results demonstrating the improvements. Chris Blizzard from > Mozilla Foundation has some updates as well." I think that all Monty states is that Thusnelda is improving, and closing the gap to x264, before other subjective tuning measures are applied. I infer from his statements that he believes Thusnelda will at some point be as good or better than x264, but it hasn't happened yet according to his page: http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Public/theora/demo7.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 00:10:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:40:21 +0530 Subject: Theora pulling ahead of H264 In-Reply-To: <20090512000228.GW7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A08B92A.3020008@fedoraproject.org> <20090512000228.GW7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A08BE6D.1050903@fedoraproject.org> On 05/12/2009 05:32 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I think that all Monty states is that Thusnelda is improving, and > closing the gap to x264, before other subjective tuning measures are > applied. I infer from his statements that he believes Thusnelda will > at some point be as good or better than x264, but it hasn't happened > yet according to his page: > http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Public/theora/demo7.html This page was edited after I had submitted the story to OSNews. The original page did have some claims about being ahead of H264 which was found to be a miscalculation sometime after I had submitted the story. Bad timing. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 00:15:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:15:13 -0400 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:36:44AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/12/2009 05:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39:38PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> The original story writer seems well meaning but perhaps a bit confused > >> as he primarily writes about Ubuntu but also mentions Red Hat and > >> Fedora. A clarification might help. Anyone wants to step up? > > > > The original story is here: > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/164633/trademarks_the_hidden_menace.html > > > > There already seem to be a number of people poking at the large holes > > in this article, including the outside counsel for the OSI, Mark > > Radcliffe. Do we really have much to add to the discussion? If so, > > no problem, just note what you're interested in having clarified. > > ... btw, LWN has picked it up now > > http://lwn.net/Articles/332848 Great, victim of the re-re-re-re-recycling "news" cycle of the Internet. News was so much more reliable when Uncle Walter just read it every evening! :-) This is a good opportunity to ask this question: What's the best way to get clarifications out there? By that, I mean, what effectively puts the clarification in front of the most eyeballs? What's most effective to be seen by people Googling? I'm thinking the answer isn't to post the same correction on two dozen different web sites. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 00:16:03 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:16:03 -0400 Subject: Theora pulling ahead of H264 In-Reply-To: <4A08BE6D.1050903@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A08B92A.3020008@fedoraproject.org> <20090512000228.GW7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BE6D.1050903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090512001603.GA7127@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:40:21AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/12/2009 05:32 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > I think that all Monty states is that Thusnelda is improving, and > > closing the gap to x264, before other subjective tuning measures are > > applied. I infer from his statements that he believes Thusnelda will > > at some point be as good or better than x264, but it hasn't happened > > yet according to his page: > > http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Public/theora/demo7.html > > This page was edited after I had submitted the story to OSNews. The > original page did have some claims about being ahead of H264 which was > found to be a miscalculation sometime after I had submitted the story. > Bad timing. No big deal, I just figured there were people reading this list who probably would be interested in his clarifications. I just read his page myself. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 00:27:05 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:57:05 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A08C259.8090400@fedoraproject.org> On 05/12/2009 05:45 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'm thinking the answer isn't to post the same correction on two dozen > different web sites. Add a comment on the original site and post the same to LWN and send it to the author as an email as well. Yes, it is a bit of redundancy but I don't see another way. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 00:36:19 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:36:19 -0400 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <4A08C259.8090400@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08C259.8090400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090512003619.GD7127@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:57:05AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/12/2009 05:45 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I'm thinking the answer isn't to post the same correction on two dozen > > different web sites. > > Add a comment on the original site and post the same to LWN and send it > to the author as an email as well. Yes, it is a bit of redundancy but I > don't see another way. What about the other sites that pick it up from the Washington Post, where it got its original traction? (Serious question.) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 01:16:22 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:46:22 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <20090512003619.GD7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08C259.8090400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512003619.GD7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A08CDE6.9070806@fedoraproject.org> On 05/12/2009 06:06 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:57:05AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 05/12/2009 05:45 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking the answer isn't to post the same correction on two dozen >>> different web sites. >> Add a comment on the original site and post the same to LWN and send it >> to the author as an email as well. Yes, it is a bit of redundancy but I >> don't see another way. > > What about the other sites that pick it up from the Washington Post, > where it got its original traction? (Serious question.) Unless you want to track every one and comment in all of them, I would say, pick the relevant ones and let the rest go. We can't educate the world in a single day. There is a genuine friction between Free software and trademarks. Unfortunately this article doesn't capture it well and only adds more injury to the lack of basic legal knowledge among foss developers. If we are going the extra mile, get Red Hat Magazine folks to get one of our lawyers to answer the basic questions on trademarks and it's interaction with FOSS and post the video. Then publicize that heavily. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 02:30:59 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (jaa at redhat.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <2532A309-FE56-4EE1-B652-647AA7C7EADE@redhat.com> On May 11, 2009, at 19:25, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:12:37PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora 11 Overview - Jesse Keating.mp3 >> > This really does need to be OGG Vorbis. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support > > Also the properly encoded and clickable URL is > http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.mp3 +1 I know. The final will be in off and encoded properly. :) Jack From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue May 12 06:23:53 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:53:53 +0530 Subject: Confusion of over Red Hat/Fedora trademarks In-Reply-To: <4A08CDE6.9070806@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0869E2.2050309@fedoraproject.org> <20090511235439.GU7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08BD94.3040400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512001513.GZ7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08C259.8090400@fedoraproject.org> <20090512003619.GD7127@localhost.localdomain> <4A08CDE6.9070806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1242109433.3331.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 06:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I'm thinking the answer isn't to post the same correction on two dozen > >>> different web sites. hi, I don't know how viable this is.. We create a wiki page that handles all the confused/incorrect articles with required comments.. No need to comment all posts..Call it a "Incorrect Media post feedback page" or something.. People will refer to it to check if a post they're reading has something wrong in it before relying on the article.. ?? Or other sites will refer to it before picking up a post from somewhere.. The page could also have a section where you could submit an article that you've come across for "checking". PS : the name really needs to be worked upon.. :) regards, Ankur From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue May 12 06:55:11 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:25:11 +0530 Subject: Best Linux distros for power users, gamers, newbies and more Message-ID: <1242111311.3331.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi, "Firstly, Fedora just looks better, despite being built around the same Gnome desktop as Debian. The astronomical theme that accompanies you while you launch the operating system is carried on to the blue desktop, and there's a distinct feeling that a lot of love has gone into Fedora's default theme. Secondly, Fedora manages to include OpenOffice.org 3, while Debian is still a revision behind, and Fedora's version of Firefox keeps the original branding, rather than the confusing rebranding of all things Mozilla insisted on by the Debian developers." "For every day desktop use, Fedora can't be beaten. The choice of software is excellent, and we can't think of anything that's missing. Fedora's stance on freedom is a little painful if you need proprietary drivers or MP3 support, but these issues can be worked around." :D http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-distros-for-power-users-gamers-newbies-and-more-596697?artc_pg=3 regards, Ankur From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue May 12 07:05:51 2009 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:35:51 +0530 Subject: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > This really does need to be OGG Vorbis. > ?https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support > > Also the properly encoded and clickable URL is > ?http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.mp3 > Here [1] is the ogg version of it. I am going to put it on Fedora TV also. [1] http://tv.dgplug.org/oggs/fedora/fedora_11_overview_jesse_keating.ogg Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From che666 at gmail.com Tue May 12 07:53:16 2009 From: che666 at gmail.com (Rudolf Kastl) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:53:16 +0200 Subject: Best Linux distros for power users, gamers, newbies and more In-Reply-To: <1242111311.3331.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1242111311.3331.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/5/12 Ankur Sinha : > hi, > > "Firstly, Fedora just looks better, despite being built around the same > Gnome desktop as Debian. The astronomical theme that accompanies you > while you launch the operating system is carried on to the blue desktop, > and there's a distinct feeling that a lot of love has gone into Fedora's > default theme. well it is just a theme though. and themes are a matter of taste. i am not sure if that is a good argument for the topic "best for power users, gamers, newbies". from my pov a real power user doesent waste resources on wallpapers. but oh well. > > Secondly, Fedora manages to include OpenOffice.org 3, while Debian is > still a revision behind, and Fedora's version of Firefox keeps the > original branding, rather than the confusing rebranding of all things > Mozilla insisted on by the Debian developers." Different target audience and release cycle. Personally i find it quite neat that the debian guys dont do compomises on things like trademarks. > > "For every day desktop use, Fedora can't be beaten. The choice of > software is excellent, and we can't think of anything that's missing. > Fedora's stance on freedom is a little painful if you need proprietary > drivers or MP3 support, but these issues can be worked around." errm... no comment, btw the debian repositorys still hold alot more content. a few years ago linux power users still cared about freedom. dont get me wrong... i am a long time redhat/fedora user, but i just dont see any really good arguments in the article above... why a power user, gamer or newbie would want to choose fedora instead debian (the headline claims "best linux distro" but in the end it seems to be a fedora vs debian thingie) kind regards, Rudolf Kastl > > :D > > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-distros-for-power-users-gamers-newbies-and-more-596697?artc_pg=3 > > regards, > > Ankur > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From aveeksn at gmail.com Tue May 12 08:43:15 2009 From: aveeksn at gmail.com (Aveek Sen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:13:15 +0530 Subject: Press releases Message-ID: Hi!, This is to continue what I had suggested about press releases. I am pasting two links on Firefox & its add-on Hyperwords' discussion in the technical columns -- The Times Of India, a reputed national daily in India--http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1004341,prtpage-1.cms The Economist------http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11482527 -- Aveek Sen, First year student of Electronics & Comminication Engineering, Fedora Ambassador, NIT Agartala, India. aveeksn at gmail.com aveeksen at fedoraproject.org aveek at hotmail.com Our GLUG-http://groups.google.co.in/group/nitalug My blog:http://aveek.wordpress.com/ My Fedora wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Aveeksen From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue May 12 09:54:44 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:24:44 +0530 Subject: Best Linux distros for power users, gamers, newbies and more In-Reply-To: References: <1242111311.3331.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1242122084.3331.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 09:53 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > 2009/5/12 Ankur Sinha : > > hi, > > > > "Firstly, Fedora just looks better, despite being built around the same > > Gnome desktop as Debian. The astronomical theme that accompanies you > > while you launch the operating system is carried on to the blue desktop, > > and there's a distinct feeling that a lot of love has gone into Fedora's > > default theme. > > well it is just a theme though. and themes are a matter of taste. i am > not sure if that is a good argument for the topic "best for power > users, gamers, newbies". > from my pov a real power user doesent waste resources on wallpapers. > but oh well. > > > > > Secondly, Fedora manages to include OpenOffice.org 3, while Debian is > > still a revision behind, and Fedora's version of Firefox keeps the > > original branding, rather than the confusing rebranding of all things > > Mozilla insisted on by the Debian developers." > > Different target audience and release cycle. Personally i find it > quite neat that the debian guys dont do compomises on things like > trademarks. > > > > > "For every day desktop use, Fedora can't be beaten. The choice of > > software is excellent, and we can't think of anything that's missing. > > Fedora's stance on freedom is a little painful if you need proprietary > > drivers or MP3 support, but these issues can be worked around." > > errm... no comment, btw the debian repositorys still hold alot more > content. a few years ago linux power users still cared about freedom. > > dont get me wrong... i am a long time redhat/fedora user, but i just > dont see any really good arguments in the article above... why a power > user, gamer or newbie would want to choose fedora instead debian (the > headline claims "best linux distro" but in the end it seems to be a > fedora vs debian thingie) > > kind regards, > Rudolf Kastl > > > > > > :D > > > > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-distros-for-power-users-gamers-newbies-and-more-596697?artc_pg=3 > > > > regards, > > > > Ankur > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > hi, I just posted the fedora part of the post. Read the entire article :) (the link I've given takes you to page 3).Fedora has been noted as best for daily use.. They've given other distros etc for other specific purposes.. regards, Ankur From affix at FedoraProject.org Tue May 12 10:44:01 2009 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:44:01 +0100 Subject: Fedora 11 Packaging Message-ID: Hey, I have just spoken with the owner of my local computer store and he is wiling to put a Fedora Information leaflet and free media box on his shop counter. I was wondering if we have any boxes to hold the disks pre-made for fedora 11. If so where can I find it. I know we have one for fedora 10. I am also looking at other locations to put free media boxes around west lothian in scotland. 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I seem to remember that the Ambassadors put together a self-printable, foldable media box that looks quite attractive when assembled. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassador_Kit -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 11:58:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:58:13 -0400 Subject: DRAFT: Plan for F11 Marketing/Press Push In-Reply-To: <20090511235819.GV7127@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A08697F.8080004@redhat.com> <20090511235819.GV7127@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090512115813.GB4419@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:58:19PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:37:52PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > >> Wed May 13 -- draft of May 14 news to fedora-marketing-list > >> > >> Thu May 14 -- release news about "Package Kit" & Audio & Print > >> Interview with Richard Hughes > > > > We have a nice interview here that we can summarize. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_in_Fedora_11 > > > > I believe that Paul Frields is editing the audio interview that was > > conducted with Richard. Hopefully this will be ready with enough time to > > let Richard listen to it and give it a +1. > > Yup, see above. Richard +1'd this morning, good to go! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From affix at ihack.co.uk Tue May 12 12:09:49 2009 From: affix at ihack.co.uk (Affix) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:49 +0100 Subject: Fedora 11 Packaging In-Reply-To: <20090512115722.GA4419@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090512115722.GA4419@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks Paul that is Exactly what I was looking for :) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:44:01AM +0100, Keiran Smith wrote: > > Hey, > > I have just spoken with the owner of my local computer store and he is > wiling > > to put a Fedora Information leaflet and free media box on his shop > counter. I > > was wondering if we have any boxes to hold the disks pre-made for fedora > 11. If > > so where can I find it. I know we have one for fedora 10. > > I am also looking at other locations to put free media boxes around > west > > lothian in scotland. > > I seem to remember that the Ambassadors put together a self-printable, > foldable media box that looks quite attractive when assembled. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassador_Kit > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - - http://keiran-smith.net - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Places it should go: Fedora Marketing List Fedora Ambassadors List Planet Fedora News Distribution Network - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications - Any press generated should go into the press archive Ultimately we'll want to take a few of our news items and turn them into something for Red Hat's Press Blog also. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:46:49 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:46:49 -0400 Subject: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090512124649.GE15982@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:19:33PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> The press push for Fedora 11 will be in full effect starting tomorrow. >> Below is what I will post to the Fedora planet and submit to other news >> channels tomorrow. Something will be posted about this to announce list >> tomorrow. Also, this is what should be distributed by the NDN folks and >> please ambassadors and others if you can help drum up support by linking >> to this, that would be great. > > Places it should go: > > Fedora Marketing List > Fedora Ambassadors List > Planet Fedora > News Distribution Network > - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications > - Any press generated should go into the press archive > > Ultimately we'll want to take a few of our news items and turn them into > something for Red Hat's Press Blog also. I think the fedora-announce-list subscribers would probably consider this falling outside that list's purpose. Posts to the Planet should be sufficient to cover the Fedora community itself, I'd think. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 13:41:11 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> <20090511232435.GD17039@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <4A097C77.4080304@redhat.com> Kushal Das wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Ian Weller wrote: > >> This really does need to be OGG Vorbis. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support >> >> Also the properly encoded and clickable URL is >> http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.mp3 >> >> > Here [1] is the ogg version of it. > I am going to put it on Fedora TV also. > > [1] http://tv.dgplug.org/oggs/fedora/fedora_11_overview_jesse_keating.ogg > > > Kushal > Kushal, Thanks! I also put up my own ogg version on my fedorapeople. http://jack.fedorapeople.org Jack From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 14:09:39 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:09:39 -0400 Subject: The Countdown to Fedora 11 Begins! Message-ID: <4A098323.1020502@redhat.com> Fedora 11 is less than two weeks away. The excitement is in the air as well can't wait to see the product of more than a few long months of hard work. It's prime time to start the countdown clock and start talking about the upcoming release, talk about what users can expect to see, highlight new features and describe some of the enhancements that we can all look forward too. As part of a series of Podcast and print interviews, Today, I would like to present the first podcast in the Fedora 11 Podcast series, an Interview with long time Fedora contributor and Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating. The Audio can be found here: "Fedora 11 General Overview with Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating" - [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.ogg] In the interview, Jesse talks to us about the achievement milestone of putting together 11 releases, the process of planning and putting together a Fedora release, how it was done for F11 and also some of the tools, which he helped create which are used to put together the Fedora distribution. He talks about Pungi [https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/] and Revisor [http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/] which are tools used to compose the Fedora tree and create a custom remix or re-spin, respesctively. He also talks about some of the changes which have taken place under the hood to enable Fedora's new super fast boot up. Jesse takes us on a whirlwind tour of some of the greatest enhancements we can look forward to in F11, including changes to PackageKit and a new upstream version of RPM, the new default ext4 filesystem, enhanced fingerprint support for authentication and what we can look forward to in the future releases of Fedora. The Full Fedora 11 Feature list can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList and you can look forward to more in depth coverage of some of those features and of the upcoming release in the days to come. Fedora 11 is sure to prove a highly innovative and technology advanced release. Fedora 11. Get ready. There's reason to be excited! From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 14:18:22 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:18:22 -0400 Subject: CORRECTION: The Countdown to Fedora 11 Begins Message-ID: <4A09852E.6010506@redhat.com> Fedora 11 is less than two weeks away. The excitement is in the air and we all can't wait to see the product of more than a few long months of hard work. It's prime time to start talking about what users can expect to see, highlight new features and describe some of the enhancements that we can all look forward too. As part of a series of podcast and print interviews, Today, I would like to present the first podcast in the Fedora 11 Podcast series, an interview with long time Fedora contributor and Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating. The audio can be found here: "Fedora 11 General Overview with Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating" - [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Jesse%20Keating.ogg] In the interview, Jesse talks to us about the achievement milestone of putting together 11 releases, the process of planning and putting together a Fedora release, how it was done for F11 and also some of the tools, which he helped create which are used to put together the Fedora distribution. He talks about Pungi [https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/] and Revisor [http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/] which are tools used to compose the Fedora tree and create a custom remix or re-spin, respectively. He also talks about some of the changes which have taken place under the hood to enable Fedora's new faster and improved boot up. Jesse takes us on a whirlwind tour of some of the greatest enhancements we can look forward to in F11, including changes to PackageKit and a new upstream version of RPM, the new default ext4 filesystem, enhanced fingerprint support for authentication and what we can look forward to in the future releases of Fedora. The Full Fedora 11 Feature list can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList and you can look forward to more in depth coverage of some of those features and of the upcoming release in the days to come. Fedora 11 is sure to prove a highly innovative and technologically advanced release. Fedora 11. Get ready. There's reason to be excited! From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:25:46 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:25:46 -0400 Subject: Start of F11 Marketing and Press Push In-Reply-To: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> References: <4A08B0E5.3000905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090512142546.GG15982@localhost.localdomain> ** resend since my original from last night is sitting in mod-queue ** On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:12:37PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hello All, > > The press push for Fedora 11 will be in full effect starting tomorrow. > Below is what I will post to the Fedora planet and submit to other news > channels tomorrow. Something will be posted about this to announce list > tomorrow. Also, this is what should be distributed by the NDN folks and > please ambassadors and others if you can help drum up support by linking > to this, that would be great. > > Of course let me know what you think. I will be tweaking this again > assuming I get some good feedback. I will be back on the computer at > around 11pm. I'm not sure what feedback you were looking for exactly. I made some grammatical and content suggestions. > -------------- > > The Countdown to Fedora 11 - "Fedora 11 General Overview with Fedora > Release Engineer Jesse Keating" > > Fedora 11 is less than two weeks away. The excitement is in the air as > well can't wait to see the product a more than a few long months of hard ^^^^^ Not sure what you meant by this sentence; it doesn't scan. > work. It's prime time to start the countdown clock and start talking > about the upcoming release, talk about what users can expect to see, Make this "It's prime time to start talking about what users can expect to see, highlight..." We've started talking some time ago. > highlight new features and describe some of the enhancements that we can > all look forward too. As part of a series of Podcast and print Make that lower case "podcast." > interviews, Today, I would like to present the first podcast in the > Fedora 11 Podcast series, an Interview with long time Fedora > contributor "interview" > and Fedora Release Engineer Jesse Keating. The Audio can be found here: "audio" > http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora 11 Overview - Jesse Keating.mp3 > > In the interview, Jesse talks to us about the achievement milestone of > putting together 11 releases, the process of planning and putting > together a Fedora release, how it was done for F11 and also some of the > tools, which he helped create which are used to put together the Fedora > distribution. He talks about Pungi [https://fedorahosted.org/pungi/] and > Revisor [http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/] which are tools used to compose > the Fedora tree and create a custom remix or re-spin, > respesctively. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ respectively > He also talks about some of the changes which have taken place under > the hood to enable Fedora's new super fast boot up. "faster" or "improved," as opposed to "super fast." > Jesse takes us > on a whirlwind tour of some of the greatest enhancements we can look > forward to in F11, including changes to PackageKit It would really be nice to ensure whatever Jesse says about PK is bare-bones, or at least non-conflicting. There's a whole PK podcast ready as we agreed in our planning: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/audio/pk-podcast.ogg http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/audio/pk-podcast.mp3 > and a new > upstream version of RPM, the new default ext4 filesystem, enhanced > fingerprint support for authentication and what we can look forward > to in the future releases of Fedora. > > The Full Fedora 11 Feature list can be found at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList and you can look > forward to more in depth coverage of some of those features and of the > upcoming release in the days to come. Fedora 11 is sure to prove a > highly innovative and technology advanced release. "technologically advanced" > Fedora 11. Get ready. There's reason to be excited! Damn skippy. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 14:31:22 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:31:22 -0400 Subject: Please Digg This Mornings Post Message-ID: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> http://digg.com/d1r0NZ From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:37:03 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:07:03 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Please Digg This Mornings Post In-Reply-To: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1242139023.3331.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 10:31 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > http://digg.com/d1r0NZ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Dugg.. We can give links to the post on our blogs right? Ankur From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue May 12 15:12:09 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:12:09 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Please Digg This Mornings Post In-Reply-To: <1242139023.3331.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242139023.3331.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 10:31 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> http://digg.com/d1r0NZ >> The link you really want to give is: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Countdown_to_Fedora_11_Begins The one you gave takes you to the story without any referral back to digg.com Cheers, Clint From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 12 15:33:15 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Please Digg This Mornings Post In-Reply-To: References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242139023.3331.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A0996BB.2090802@redhat.com> Clint Savage wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 10:31 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> >>> http://digg.com/d1r0NZ >>> >>> > > The link you really want to give is: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Countdown_to_Fedora_11_Begins > > The one you gave takes you to the story without any referral back to digg.com > > There should be a digg bar on top of the story that lets you digg it and also go to the main digg page if you want. Jack From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue May 12 15:57:41 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:57:41 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Please Digg This Mornings Post In-Reply-To: <4A0996BB.2090802@redhat.com> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242139023.3331.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A0996BB.2090802@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ankur Sinha >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 10:31 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://digg.com/d1r0NZ >>>> >>>> >> >> The link you really want to give is: >> >> http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Countdown_to_Fedora_11_Begins >> >> The one you gave takes you to the story without any referral back to >> digg.com >> >> > > There should be a digg bar on top of the story that lets you digg it and > also go to the main digg page if you want. Oops, I missed that :) Clint From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue May 12 16:29:49 2009 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:59:49 +0530 Subject: About ideas for Fedora 11 screencasts Message-ID: Hi all, I need ideas for Fedora 11 screencasts. Please put them in [1]. The new features which have a visual impact must be there in the list. Any new app which we must cover ? [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 18:03:23 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:03:23 -0400 Subject: About ideas for Fedora 11 screencasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090512180323.GT15982@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 09:59:49PM +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > Hi all, > > I need ideas for Fedora 11 screencasts. Please put them in [1]. The > new features which have a visual impact must be there in the list. > Any new app which we must cover ? > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas I added an idea, showing the new volume control in action. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue May 12 21:22:06 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:22:06 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-05-12 IRC Log Message-ID: <4A09E87E.7040603@axianet.ch> Hello, Today's marketing meeting log is available on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-05-12 Steven From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:52:00 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: PK update Message-ID: <20090512215200.GF3457@localhost.localdomain> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_in_Fedora_11 The blog entry is drafted on this page, and the status updated. I'll take the finished entry and post it on Thursday at about 1400 UTC, and send a link to this list to be further processed by the NDN. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 22:26:54 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 03:56:54 +0530 Subject: Fedora Directory Server changes its name Message-ID: <4A09F7AE.8060803@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.h-online.com/open/Fedora-Directory-Server-changes-its-name--/news/113269 "After long internal discussions, the Fedora Directory Server (FDS) developers have changed the name of their project to the 389 Directory Server (389DS). One of the main arguments for the name change is that the "Fedora" name, initially intended to be a generic brand for all of the Red Hat open source projects, turned out to be an obstacle preventing cooperation from other Linux distributions." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 22:31:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 04:01:30 +0530 Subject: Top 10 Features of Fedora 11 Leonidas Message-ID: <4A09F8C2.6070406@fedoraproject.org> Hi Covers features like Ext4 by default but misses out on other changes like Delta RPMs http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/top-10-features-of-fedora-11-leonidas/ "Its too early to commit anything about Fedora 11. But there are some really important features that can make Fedora 11 another significant release." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 12 22:35:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 04:05:30 +0530 Subject: Interview with Greg Dekoenigsberg - Red Hat Community Architect Message-ID: <4A09F9B2.2020308@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-greg-dekoenigsberg-red-hat-community-architect-725426/ "Our greatest strength is our association with Red Hat, which is an incredible company that believes deeply in Free Software. Hundreds of the best engineers in the world are paid to work on Fedora, and they work alongside thousands of volunteers who are just as passionate. The relationship between Redhatters and volunteers teaches both how to make better software. Our greatest weakness is our association with Red Hat, which is a grown-up company and has grown-up company problems. Last year's security incident is a perfect example; once it became clear that there had been an intrusion, we immediately had to cut off communication with even our most trusted community members, so that the company could pursue appropriate legal actions." Rahul From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Wed May 13 06:31:59 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:01:59 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi, Recently Rahul and Paul had discussed what they could do to rectify/clarify erronous data that articles over the internet publish. I had thought up something and just made a draft page for you folks to see.I've added a few entries just as a demo. The page will be open (obviously). Please comment/discuss the page, and if okay, we can use it.[1] [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_publishings regards, Ankur From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 13 09:38:17 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:38:17 +0300 Subject: Top 10 Features of Fedora 11 Leonidas In-Reply-To: <4A09F8C2.6070406@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A09F8C2.6070406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0A9509.2030702@nicubunu.ro> On 05/13/2009 01:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Covers features like Ext4 by default but misses out on other changes > like Delta RPMs No, is OK for the article to not list DeltaRPMs, is a "top 10" and that feature most likely will not be enabled by default, so we don't consider it "ready enough". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 13 13:53:11 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:23:11 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A0AD0C7.6040606@fedoraproject.org> On 05/13/2009 12:01 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > hi, > > Recently Rahul and Paul had discussed what they could do to > rectify/clarify erronous data that articles over the internet publish. I > had thought up something and just made a draft page for you folks to > see.I've added a few entries just as a demo. The page will be open > (obviously). > > Please comment/discuss the page, and if okay, we can use it.[1] > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_publishings I think you are duplicating http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:02:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090513140213.GH3391@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:01:59PM +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > hi, > > Recently Rahul and Paul had discussed what they could do to > rectify/clarify erronous data that articles over the internet publish. I > had thought up something and just made a draft page for you folks to > see.I've added a few entries just as a demo. The page will be open > (obviously). > > Please comment/discuss the page, and if okay, we can use it.[1] > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_publishings I think your heart's definitely in the right place, Ankur! But I'd worry this page in its current state would quickly grow out of control, given the number of articles that pop up over even just one development cycle. What if the page used a simple queue system? Each article could include a very small amount of information in a table: * Hyperlink to the article * Comment by someone on the Marketing team who has seen it, noting a questionable section Also, the page would include general guidelines on how to make corrections. Once corrections are made, the correcting person could strike the row from the table, so at any time it only shows the current state of the queue. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:12:24 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:42:24 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <4A0AD0C7.6040606@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A0AD0C7.6040606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1242223944.5142.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 19:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/13/2009 12:01 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > hi, > > > > Recently Rahul and Paul had discussed what they could do to > > rectify/clarify erronous data that articles over the internet publish. I > > had thought up something and just made a draft page for you folks to > > see.I've added a few entries just as a demo. The page will be open > > (obviously). > > > > Please comment/discuss the page, and if okay, we can use it.[1] > > > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_publishings > > I think you are duplicating > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive > > Rahul > hi, just checked the link you've given.. i missed it , i guess.. regards, Ankur From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:17:04 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:47:04 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <20090513140213.GH3391@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090513140213.GH3391@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1242224224.5142.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 10:02 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I think your heart's definitely in the right place, Ankur! But I'd > worry this page in its current state would quickly grow out of > control, given the number of articles that pop up over even just one > development cycle. > > What if the page used a simple queue system? > > Each article could include a very small amount of information in a > table: > > * Hyperlink to the article > > * Comment by someone on the Marketing team who has seen it, noting a > questionable section > > Also, the page would include general guidelines on how to make > corrections. Once corrections are made, the correcting person could > strike the row from the table, so at any time it only shows the > current state of the queue. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > hi, Rahul just directed me to the actual press archives that are already being maintained.. This page could **only be about the articles that need corrections**.. The queue system sounds perfect to me.. I could make the tables but someone will please have to do the guidelines part etc.. I'm really not qualified enough for that.. :) Should i move the page to "article corrections" ?? Please suggest a name. We will need to publicize this page so people know they are supposed to refer to it before absorbing data that floats around (check up if its correct or not).. regards, Ankur From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:22:36 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:36 -0400 Subject: Podcast page Message-ID: <20090513142236.GJ3391@localhost.localdomain> We probably need a central place to deposit podcast interviews other than personal fedorapeople.org spaces, so I took care of the current stash by making this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_release_podcasts As we add other media, let's deposit them there. If anyone knows other categorization that might apply, please feel free to edit those categories in too. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 13 16:00:24 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:00:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: PK update In-Reply-To: <20090512215200.GF3457@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090512215200.GF3457@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_in_Fedora_11 > > The blog entry is drafted on this page, and the status updated. I'll > take the finished entry and post it on Thursday at about 1400 UTC, and > send a link to this list to be further processed by the NDN. Sounds like we're well-prepared for Thursday's news then. Awesome! --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Wed May 13 16:20:07 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: sending out news (was Re: Fedora Directory Server changes its name) In-Reply-To: <4A09F7AE.8060803@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A09F7AE.8060803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I really like the way Rahul sends the news stories to f-marketing-l and cc's the various news outlets that we want to inform of the story. That should be our standard operating procedure for getting news out. When you send a story out to anyone (News Distribution Network, general F11 press, etc) you should also Cc Fedora Marketing List, then we can track what's getting picked up, etc. It also lets us give feedback to the "writeups" that we send out. My .02, Max From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 13 16:34:50 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:04:50 +0530 Subject: What to expect from Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4A0AF6AA.403@fedoraproject.org> Hi A very informative review covering a wide range of improvements coming up in Fedora 11. http://satyajitranjeev.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/what-to-expect-from-fedora-11/ "Volume Control: When I installed the beta looking at the feature list was impressed that I could connect my bluetooth head set and configure it with simplicity. But the installation didn?t get the job done. It detected my Jabra Headset, that is all. Then after a few updates, I was bowled! All I had to do was pair it with my system and POP it shows up in the volume configuration. Simply brilliant" "Presto: This is a plug-in for ?yum?. It enables delta rpm support in Fedora. Delta rpm is an rpm file which stores the difference between versions of a package. For example updating the open office suite would nearly take a 100 M download, using deltarpms you can save up to 60 % that is you?d download only about 40M. It is not enabled by default so you will have to ?yum? it." "DeviceKit: It is similar to HAL and it is to eventually replace it. It is a device management tool. One new software which is included in the devicekit is the Palimpsest Disk Utility. It checks your hard disk and notifies you the state of your drive. It also checks the status of your disks at login time and provides fixes. You can do basic file system operation in it like deletion of partition or renaming a label and others." "This release has got me more excited than 10. The features as the wiki says it ?dwarfs any other release?. It looks very promising and the future for Fedora seems brighter. It is definitely a brilliant milestone after 10 releases." Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 13 18:07:16 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] Message-ID: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. They are trying to start a social network. What do you guys think about it? Jack -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Linux Foundation Subject: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:09:09 -0400 Size: 9087 URL: From leandro.cesar at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:13:55 2009 From: leandro.cesar at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leandro_M=2E_C=E9sar?=) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:13:55 -0300 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] In-Reply-To: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> References: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <124ec400905131113v1164ef27j9b83421c69a733c6@mail.gmail.com> Oh my! Someone kill this guy please! "a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds" What this guy think about Linux users and community? L. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. ?They are > trying to start a social network. ?What do you guys think about it? > > Jack > > The Linux Foundation is pleased to announce the launch of the new Linux.com. > In addition to Linux news, product listings, and more, Linux.com is designed > to be interactive; ?for the community by the community.? After you log in to > Linux.com with your LinuxFoundation.org ID and password you can: > > ?* Gain Guru Points for site contributions and compete for the "Ultimate > Linux Guru" prize: a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds > ?* Create a group for your LUG or developer group and invite friends to stay > informed. (linux.com/community/groups) > ?* Add an Event to the Linux.com Calendar. No event is too big or small. > (linux.com/community/events) > ?* Post a comment in our Forums to get help with Linux > (linux.com/community/forums) > ?* Ask a question or give a solution in Answers (linux.com/learn/answers) > ?* Add a listing or a product review in our Directory (linux.com/directory) > ?* Create your own tutorial (linux.com/learn/tutorials) or blog entry > (linux.com/community/blogs) > > When you add content to the new Linux.com, you gain the goodwill and support > of your fellow Linux.com users.? As you participate in the site's community > by providing content, you will gain Guru points that will enable you to gain > Guru status and will help you connect to jobs and collaboration > opportunities. > > The top-ranked Linux.com user will be recognized each year as the ?Ultimate > Linux Guru? and be given a fully loaded ?dream? Linux notebook, personally > autographed by Linus Torvalds, as recognition of his or her guru status. The > top five contributors to Linux.com will be invited to the Linux Foundation > Collaboration Summit to participate in the planning for the future of > Linux.com.? The top 50 Linux Gurus on Linux.com will be included in an > annual report from the Linux Foundation.? More information, including ?Guru? > point values, is available on the site at linux.com/welcome-community. > > With a blend of the old and the new in place, there's no reason to delay > becoming a Linux Guru. Welcome back to the new Linux.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Lf-announce mailing list > Lf-announce at lists.linux-foundation.org > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lf-announce > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Leandro M. C?sar leandro.cesar at gmail.com () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From fusion94 at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:17:14 2009 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:17:14 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] In-Reply-To: <124ec400905131113v1164ef27j9b83421c69a733c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> <124ec400905131113v1164ef27j9b83421c69a733c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78f7d5500905131117u1724189td9617edbcf756d60@mail.gmail.com> um...dude...I'm pretty sure the Linux Foundation know's quite a bit about Linux users and community. Especially since Linus actually draws a salary from them. -t Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net 1 (415) 694-3732 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:13, Leandro M. C?sar wrote: > Oh my! > > Someone kill this guy please! > > "a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds" > > What this guy think about Linux users and community? > > L. > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. ?They are >> trying to start a social network. ?What do you guys think about it? >> >> Jack >> >> The Linux Foundation is pleased to announce the launch of the new Linux.com. >> In addition to Linux news, product listings, and more, Linux.com is designed >> to be interactive; ?for the community by the community.? After you log in to >> Linux.com with your LinuxFoundation.org ID and password you can: >> >> ?* Gain Guru Points for site contributions and compete for the "Ultimate >> Linux Guru" prize: a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds >> ?* Create a group for your LUG or developer group and invite friends to stay >> informed. (linux.com/community/groups) >> ?* Add an Event to the Linux.com Calendar. No event is too big or small. >> (linux.com/community/events) >> ?* Post a comment in our Forums to get help with Linux >> (linux.com/community/forums) >> ?* Ask a question or give a solution in Answers (linux.com/learn/answers) >> ?* Add a listing or a product review in our Directory (linux.com/directory) >> ?* Create your own tutorial (linux.com/learn/tutorials) or blog entry >> (linux.com/community/blogs) >> >> When you add content to the new Linux.com, you gain the goodwill and support >> of your fellow Linux.com users.? As you participate in the site's community >> by providing content, you will gain Guru points that will enable you to gain >> Guru status and will help you connect to jobs and collaboration >> opportunities. >> >> The top-ranked Linux.com user will be recognized each year as the ?Ultimate >> Linux Guru? and be given a fully loaded ?dream? Linux notebook, personally >> autographed by Linus Torvalds, as recognition of his or her guru status. The >> top five contributors to Linux.com will be invited to the Linux Foundation >> Collaboration Summit to participate in the planning for the future of >> Linux.com.? The top 50 Linux Gurus on Linux.com will be included in an >> annual report from the Linux Foundation.? More information, including ?Guru? >> point values, is available on the site at linux.com/welcome-community. >> >> With a blend of the old and the new in place, there's no reason to delay >> becoming a Linux Guru. Welcome back to the new Linux.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lf-announce mailing list >> Lf-announce at lists.linux-foundation.org >> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lf-announce >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Leandro M. C?sar > leandro.cesar at gmail.com > > () ?ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ ?www.asciiribbon.org ? - against proprietary attachments > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From leandro.cesar at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:23:51 2009 From: leandro.cesar at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leandro_M=2E_C=E9sar?=) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:23:51 -0300 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] In-Reply-To: <78f7d5500905131117u1724189td9617edbcf756d60@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> <124ec400905131113v1164ef27j9b83421c69a733c6@mail.gmail.com> <78f7d5500905131117u1724189td9617edbcf756d60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <124ec400905131123j64c77dcexb93cdd8a5a0fafb1@mail.gmail.com> Hahah Make sense! On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tony Guntharp wrote: > um...dude...I'm pretty sure the Linux Foundation know's quite a bit > about Linux users and community. Especially since Linus actually draws > a salary from them. > > -t > > Tony Guntharp > Co-Founder SourceForge.net > 1 (415) 694-3732 > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:13, Leandro M. C?sar wrote: >> Oh my! >> >> Someone kill this guy please! >> >> "a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds" >> >> What this guy think about Linux users and community? >> >> L. >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>> I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. ?They are >>> trying to start a social network. ?What do you guys think about it? >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> The Linux Foundation is pleased to announce the launch of the new Linux.com. >>> In addition to Linux news, product listings, and more, Linux.com is designed >>> to be interactive; ?for the community by the community.? After you log in to >>> Linux.com with your LinuxFoundation.org ID and password you can: >>> >>> ?* Gain Guru Points for site contributions and compete for the "Ultimate >>> Linux Guru" prize: a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds >>> ?* Create a group for your LUG or developer group and invite friends to stay >>> informed. (linux.com/community/groups) >>> ?* Add an Event to the Linux.com Calendar. No event is too big or small. >>> (linux.com/community/events) >>> ?* Post a comment in our Forums to get help with Linux >>> (linux.com/community/forums) >>> ?* Ask a question or give a solution in Answers (linux.com/learn/answers) >>> ?* Add a listing or a product review in our Directory (linux.com/directory) >>> ?* Create your own tutorial (linux.com/learn/tutorials) or blog entry >>> (linux.com/community/blogs) >>> >>> When you add content to the new Linux.com, you gain the goodwill and support >>> of your fellow Linux.com users.? As you participate in the site's community >>> by providing content, you will gain Guru points that will enable you to gain >>> Guru status and will help you connect to jobs and collaboration >>> opportunities. >>> >>> The top-ranked Linux.com user will be recognized each year as the ?Ultimate >>> Linux Guru? and be given a fully loaded ?dream? Linux notebook, personally >>> autographed by Linus Torvalds, as recognition of his or her guru status. The >>> top five contributors to Linux.com will be invited to the Linux Foundation >>> Collaboration Summit to participate in the planning for the future of >>> Linux.com.? The top 50 Linux Gurus on Linux.com will be included in an >>> annual report from the Linux Foundation.? More information, including ?Guru? >>> point values, is available on the site at linux.com/welcome-community. >>> >>> With a blend of the old and the new in place, there's no reason to delay >>> becoming a Linux Guru. Welcome back to the new Linux.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lf-announce mailing list >>> Lf-announce at lists.linux-foundation.org >>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lf-announce >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Leandro M. C?sar >> leandro.cesar at gmail.com >> >> () ?ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >> /\ ?www.asciiribbon.org ? - against proprietary attachments >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Leandro M. C?sar leandro.cesar at gmail.com () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed May 13 18:24:48 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:24:48 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] In-Reply-To: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> References: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780905131124l6f1b021bxeff2fe8bc2101ce6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 20:07, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. ?They are > trying to start a social network. ?What do you guys think about it? Well, just like any social network, I'll pass on this one ^_^ However, there are few issues in my humble opinion: - support appears to me much more efficient on a per distribution / per language forum - the rank system will inevitably lead to some race, people speaking a looooooot and not necessarily providing valuable help - geeks already tend to be marginalized, as we can appear ? weird ? to some people. This is a social network for geeks, and I'm not sure this will help us show that Linux is not only for geeks / nerds with a beard that spend their nights coding in their basement. - ? a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds ? Are we some fanboys ? o_O ? ZOMG !!!1!11!! I has lapt0p signed by Linus !!!!oneleven!! ? Anyway, I wish them the best of luck and certainly don't want to blame them for trying something :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:19:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com] In-Reply-To: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> References: <4A0B0C54.7020908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090513211913.GI30679@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 02:07:16PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. They are > trying to start a social network. What do you guys think about it? Fedora also has a place on DistroCentral for aggregating content that is appealing to a broad audience. We do not want to simply duplicate the Fedora Planet on this area. I am assembling a FAS group that would allow people to submit content for inclusion. At that point it can be reviewed by a smaller editorial board, edited if necessary (not for content but just for minor spelling or punctuation errors), and passed through the feed. Seth Vidal kindly put together a script for us to do the lion's share of the work. I'll be writing a wiki page here to describe how this works (currently in draft form): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_feed_for_Linux_Foundation -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:39:33 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:39:33 -0400 Subject: Audio for FC podcast Message-ID: <20090513213933.GJ30679@localhost.localdomain> >From yesterday's IRC meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-05-12 I was hoping to take a listen to the Fedora Community podcast that you did. We agreed to figure out how to handle this podcast versus the Moksha interview that I was already signed up to do. At worst, I could work on a Moksha podcast interview a few weeks *after* F11 release. In any case, we don't want to have a lot of duplicative content or it will ring hollow. I have a print interview that I did already completed here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Moksha_in_Fedora_11 Let me know where I can take a listen, and if needed, suggest edits. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu May 14 00:11:33 2009 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 05:11:33 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <1242224224.5142.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090513140213.GH3391@localhost.localdomain> <1242224224.5142.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <78323d480905131711o23d3bc15k725872b960163477@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > The queue system sounds perfect to me.. I could make the tables but > someone will please have to do the guidelines part etc.. I'm really not > qualified enough for that.. :) Article Title Source General Remarks Severity of Disinformation --> Very Severe/ Severe/ Medium / Low Relevant passages (link to another local location ) Action Required ---> Assigned To ---> Resolution --> > Should i move the page to "article corrections" ?? Please suggest a > name. Modify it completely "Media Watch" "Against Disinformation" > > We will need to publicize this page so people know they are supposed to > refer to it before absorbing data that floats around (check up if its > correct or not).. The page maintainer can send mails to relevant lists and blog about it. Look for a 'Fedora Myths' page Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://amani.topcities.com From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 14 03:34:04 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors]Wiki Page for articles and corrections In-Reply-To: <78323d480905131711o23d3bc15k725872b960163477@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A09883A.3070304@redhat.com> <1242196319.3331.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090513140213.GH3391@localhost.localdomain> <1242224224.5142.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <78323d480905131711o23d3bc15k725872b960163477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090514033404.GR30679@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:11:33AM +0500, Mani A wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > The queue system sounds perfect to me.. I could make the tables but > > someone will please have to do the guidelines part etc.. I'm really not > > qualified enough for that.. :) > > Article Title > Source > General Remarks > Severity of Disinformation --> Very Severe/ Severe/ Medium / Low > Relevant passages (link to another local location ) > Action Required ---> > Assigned To ---> > Resolution --> This is an awful lot of weight for what should be a simple queue. If we want a ticketing system for this, that's fine too; but the more requirements that are added onto this simple listing, the less likely that people will maintain it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 14 14:03:36 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:03:36 -0400 Subject: PackageKit podcast post Message-ID: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1637 OK, ready for you guys to submit around as needed! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 14 14:04:36 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:04:36 -0400 Subject: Audio for FC podcast In-Reply-To: <20090513213933.GJ30679@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090513213933.GJ30679@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090514140436.GE3461@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 05:39:33PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > From yesterday's IRC meeting: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-05-12 > > I was hoping to take a listen to the Fedora Community podcast that you > did. We agreed to figure out how to handle this podcast versus the > Moksha interview that I was already signed up to do. At worst, I > could work on a Moksha podcast interview a few weeks *after* F11 > release. In any case, we don't want to have a lot of duplicative > content or it will ring hollow. > > I have a print interview that I did already completed here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Moksha_in_Fedora_11 > > Let me know where I can take a listen, and if needed, suggest edits. Apparently I misunderstood something from another meeting -- this audio doesn't exist yet, but we're working on it! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 14 14:33:24 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:03:24 +0530 Subject: PackageKit podcast post In-Reply-To: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A0C2BB4.7060108@fedoraproject.org> On 05/14/2009 07:33 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1637 CC'ed a few media folks. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 14 15:52:54 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:52:54 -0400 Subject: PackageKit podcast post In-Reply-To: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A0C3E56.2040401@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1637 > > OK, ready for you guys to submit around as needed! > > PackageKit in Fedora 11. In Fedora 11, we have a number of features that are the result of a planned process of maturation. We often put new features into the distribution with the purpose of garnering more information on how people put a technology to work. Then that information can be digested by developers to help them design and refine their software. It?s a cultivation mentality: By focusing more attention on advanced technologies, we help them mature and improve faster. Including them in a popular, high-volume distribution whose mission is to advanced free and open source software is a natural strategic fit. When PackageKit was first introduced to the masses, it was meant to smooth out the experience of someone using the free desktop. In Fedora 9, it provided mainly the functions to which long-time users were accustomed. In Fedora 10, the first glimpse of the longer roadmap appeared ? on-demand codec installation. In Fedora 11, fonts and some content types are also automatically handled for users. Entire applications are on the horizon. As PackageKit maintainer Richard Hughes puts it, ?Packages really aren?t all that interesting? ? at least not from the user perspective. The idea is that people just want to be able to do what they sat down to do, without thinking about the plumbing of their system. You can listen to this recording, in which I interviewed Richard about the motivation behind PackageKit, what?s coming in the future, and the danger of oddly-matched clothing. There are other recorded interviews for Fedora 11 up at this wiki page. For those of you not using the fantastic open codec support in HTML 5 and Firefox 3.1+, you can find the MP3 version here. From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu May 14 15:40:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (kam at kamsalisbury.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: PackageKit podcast post Message-ID: <0KJN00AB44WAOLRF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> -----Original Message----- From: "Paul W. Frields" Subj: PackageKit podcast post Date: Thu May 14, 2009 10:04 am Size: 545 bytes To: Fedora Marketing Project http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1637 OK, ready for you guys to submit around as needed! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Thanks Paul! I will check and shorten the link for postin on identi.ca and twitter tonight. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 14 20:17:24 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:17:24 -0400 Subject: PackageKit podcast post In-Reply-To: <4A0C3E56.2040401@redhat.com> References: <20090514140336.GD3461@localhost.localdomain> <4A0C3E56.2040401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090514201724.GS3514@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:52:54AM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1637 >> >> OK, ready for you guys to submit around as needed! >> >> > PackageKit in Fedora 11. > > In Fedora 11, we have a number of features that are the result of a > planned process of maturation. We often put new features into the > distribution with the purpose of garnering more information on how people > put a technology to work. Then that information can be digested by > developers to help them design and refine their software. It?s a > cultivation mentality: By focusing more attention on advanced > technologies, we help them mature and improve faster. Including them in a > popular, high-volume distribution whose mission is to advanced free and > open source software is a natural strategic fit. > > When PackageKit was first introduced to the masses, it was meant to > smooth out the experience of someone using the free desktop. In Fedora 9, > it provided mainly the functions to which long-time users were > accustomed. In Fedora 10, the first glimpse of the longer roadmap > appeared ? on-demand codec installation. In Fedora 11, fonts and some > content types are also automatically handled for users. Entire > applications are on the horizon. > > As PackageKit maintainer Richard Hughes puts it, ?Packages really aren?t > all that interesting? ? at least not from the user perspective. The idea > is that people just want to be able to do what they sat down to do, > without thinking about the plumbing of their system. > > You can listen to this recording, in which I interviewed Richard about > the motivation behind PackageKit, what?s coming in the future, and the > danger of oddly-matched clothing. There are other recorded interviews for > Fedora 11 up at this wiki page. For those of you not using the fantastic > open codec support in HTML 5 and Firefox 3.1+, you can find the MP3 > version here. Thanks for posting this. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Thu May 14 21:17:29 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:17:29 -0400 Subject: Podcast feed Message-ID: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> I brought this up briefly in IRC this morning and didn't want to forget about it. We really need a central podcasting feed from somewhere. There is a CMS coming soon, and that would be ideal. Would it be possible for the Fedora Planet to simply carry these things in a way that didn't duplicate the actual podcast content to subscribers? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 14 21:24:27 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:24:27 -0400 Subject: Podcast feed In-Reply-To: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A0C8C0B.7090100@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I brought this up briefly in IRC this morning and didn't want to > forget about it. > > We really need a central podcasting feed from somewhere. There is a > CMS coming soon, and that would be ideal. Would it be possible for > the Fedora Planet to simply carry these things in a way that didn't > duplicate the actual podcast content to subscribers? > > What do you mean exactly? Like a separate feed for podcasts only, right? Thanks, Jack From ian at ianweller.org Thu May 14 21:25:21 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:25:21 -0500 Subject: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) In-Reply-To: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:17:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > CMS coming soon Speaking of which, what's the ETA on this? -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at gnsa.us Thu May 14 21:30:45 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:30:45 -0400 Subject: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) In-Reply-To: <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:17:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> CMS coming soon > Speaking of which, what's the ETA on this? Def. post-F-11 I honestly haven't had the time I wish I could dedicate to getting all of the modules packaged. In addition, Toshio pointed out several problems which have required packaging some additional php modules. I'd argue we are 2 months away at our current rate - and I am probably forgetting about some critical path stuff that needs to happen. From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 14 21:37:49 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:37:49 -0400 Subject: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) In-Reply-To: References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <4A0C8F2D.1040006@redhat.com> Where is the documentation on whats going on with this, if any? What did we decide to use? Jack David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:17:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >>> CMS coming soon >>> >> Speaking of which, what's the ETA on this? >> > > Def. post-F-11 > I honestly haven't had the time I wish I could dedicate to getting all > of the modules packaged. > In addition, Toshio pointed out several problems which have required > packaging some additional php modules. > > I'd argue we are 2 months away at our current rate - and I am probably > forgetting about some critical path stuff that needs to happen. > > From laubersm at fedoraproject.org Thu May 14 22:21:00 2009 From: laubersm at fedoraproject.org (Susan Lauber) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) In-Reply-To: <4A0C8F2D.1040006@redhat.com> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> <4A0C8F2D.1040006@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Where is the documentation on whats going on with this, if any? ?What did we > decide to use? The evaluation period was tracking on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites (a page that probably needs updates) The decision was zikula. Infrastructure has provided a test system but it needs to be redone with the fedora rpms The modules need to be packaged. The list of modules to package is is in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-May/msg00041.html At least one is started: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091 There are a number of Docs Project members that want to learn to package but all need help (probably with more than just packaging) There may be a packaging class focusing on these modules at the FAD at SELF (I wish I could go). -Susan > > Jack > > David Nalley wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ian Weller wrote: >> >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:17:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> CMS coming soon >>>> >>> >>> Speaking of which, what's the ETA on this? >>> >> >> Def. post-F-11 >> I honestly haven't had the time I wish I could dedicate to getting all >> of the modules packaged. >> In addition, Toshio pointed out several problems which have required >> packaging some additional php modules. >> >> I'd argue we are 2 months away at our current rate - and I am probably >> forgetting about some critical path stuff that needs to happen. >> -- Susan Lauber, (RHCX, RHCA, RHCSS) Lauber System Solutions, Inc. http://www.laubersolutions.com gpg: 15AC F794 A3D9 64D1 D9CE 4C26 EFC3 11C2 BFA1 0974 From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu May 14 21:35:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (kam at kamsalisbury.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: PackageKit podcast post Message-ID: <0KJN006KWLCEDDF6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, its on identi.ca and twitter now. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 00:57:52 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:27:52 +0530 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? Message-ID: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> Hi I helped write what is described in the front page of what Fedora is for. To quote from http://fedoraproject.org " Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in free and open source software. ..." While I think what follows after that is still useful, perhaps we can start with something like: "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows and provides a easy and powerful graphical environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six months all for free." That would be useful for someone new to Linux to understand what this is all about or if we want to be more explicit about the audience (considering http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00843.html), we can do: "Fedora is very focussed on free software and does not include proprietary or patent encumbered software applications. Fedora is a leading edge operating system with a rapid release cycle and best suited for free software contributors, free and open source enthusiasts" Comments? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 15 03:57:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:57:43 -0400 Subject: Podcast feed In-Reply-To: <4A0C8C0B.7090100@redhat.com> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <4A0C8C0B.7090100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090515035743.GM3401@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:24:27PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> I brought this up briefly in IRC this morning and didn't want to >> forget about it. >> >> We really need a central podcasting feed from somewhere. There is a >> CMS coming soon, and that would be ideal. Would it be possible for >> the Fedora Planet to simply carry these things in a way that didn't >> duplicate the actual podcast content to subscribers? >> >> > What do you mean exactly? Like a separate feed for podcasts only, right? I just meant that since people sometimes repost content -- which is a good and fine thing -- we don't want subscribers to end up having double, treble, or more multiple downloads of the same things simply because they appear multiple times on the Planet. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From kanarip at kanarip.com Fri May 15 05:06:11 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:06:11 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> On 05/15/2009 02:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I helped write what is described in the front page of what Fedora is > for. To quote from http://fedoraproject.org > > " Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in > free and open source software. ..." > > While I think what follows after that is still useful, perhaps we can > start with something like: > > "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like > Microsoft Windows and provides a easy and powerful graphical > environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free > experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six > months all for free." > I would like to object to the image of Fedora merely being "an alternative", especially in the context of being an alternative to Microsoft Windows. If anything, Microsoft Windows is a very sad (or humorous) alternative to Linux. --Jeroen From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 05:14:26 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:44:26 +0530 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> On 05/15/2009 10:36 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > I would like to object to the image of Fedora merely being "an > alternative", especially in the context of being an alternative to > Microsoft Windows. If anything, Microsoft Windows is a very sad (or > humorous) alternative to Linux. Well, the point of describing it that way is the end users don't necessarily understand the idea of an operating system but most people would know what Windows is. By describing it as a alternative, you get the basic idea across. Try explaining to a non technical person, what Linux is. Rahul From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri May 15 05:12:14 2009 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:42:14 +0530 Subject: Podcast feed In-Reply-To: <20090515035743.GM3401@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <4A0C8C0B.7090100@redhat.com> <20090515035743.GM3401@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I just meant that since people sometimes repost content -- which is a > good and fine thing -- we don't want subscribers to end up having > double, treble, or more multiple downloads of the same things simply > because they appear multiple times on the Planet. I am adding them one by one to Fedora TV, people can simply use that feed. Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri May 15 05:24:51 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:24:51 +0800 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0CFCA3.2070109@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I helped write what is described in the front page of what Fedora is > for. To quote from http://fedoraproject.org > > " Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in > free and open source software. ..." > > While I think what follows after that is still useful, perhaps we can > start with something like: > > "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like > Microsoft Windows and provides a easy and powerful graphical > environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free > experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six > months all for free." > > That would be useful for someone new to Linux to understand what this is > all about or if we want to be more explicit about the audience > (considering > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00843.html), we > can do: > > "Fedora is very focussed on free software and does not include > proprietary or patent encumbered software applications. Fedora is a > leading edge operating system with a rapid release cycle and best suited > for free software contributors, free and open source enthusiasts" > > Comments? > > Rahul > > How about highlight a bit on "Fedora is not just another linux Distro but a great Community" ? sorry my bad english. Hope you can get what i mean. -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From kanarip at kanarip.com Fri May 15 06:03:17 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:03:17 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0D05A5.6030300@kanarip.com> On 05/15/2009 07:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/15/2009 10:36 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> I would like to object to the image of Fedora merely being "an >> alternative", especially in the context of being an alternative to >> Microsoft Windows. If anything, Microsoft Windows is a very sad (or >> humorous) alternative to Linux. > > Well, the point of describing it that way is the end users don't > necessarily understand the idea of an operating system but most people > would know what Windows is. By describing it as a alternative, you get > the basic idea across. Try explaining to a non technical person, what > Linux is. > I hear you. I do not necessarily think the description needing an update is wrong, I just wanted to emphasize that positioning Fedora as an alternative to Microsoft Windows is the wrong way to go in my opinion. Most users actually don't know what Windows is either. They just know they have Foo here, and thus want Foo there. From that perspective, it's almost like the Apple community; once you're hooked, you're hooked, whether you know what it is or how it works doesn't matter. Then there's those that do look a little further and those probably do know what an operating system is -although they might not (yet) realize that Operating System > Microsoft Windows. Regardless, previous two paragraphs barely add to the discussion ;-) I think the Fedora Project is stronger in it's advocacy, then it is in user-perspective expectation management. I also think the Fedora Project is stronger in it's development edge/focus, thriving Free Software innovation by early adoption and being a platform (often? most?) used by upstream developers, yada yada, blabla, , then it is in spreading Linux out there. That being said, of course it doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to improve that situation and what I'm saying is I don't think the angle we should take at that is by positioning Fedora as an alternative to Microsoft Windows. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From hpillay at redhat.com Fri May 15 06:34:05 2009 From: hpillay at redhat.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:34:05 +0800 Subject: Media artwork Message-ID: <4A0D0CDD.1020209@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Media_Artwork does have any artwork per se. Keeps asking me to upload. I need them for making media locally. Thanks. -- Harish Pillay 9v1hp hpillay at redhat.com +65.9636.9253 gpg id: 746809E3 gpg fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri May 15 08:15:53 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:15:53 +0300 Subject: Media artwork In-Reply-To: <4A0D0CDD.1020209@redhat.com> References: <4A0D0CDD.1020209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A0D24B9.5090803@nicubunu.ro> On 05/15/2009 09:34 AM, Harish Pillay wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Media_Artwork does have any > artwork per se. Keeps asking me to upload. I need them for > making media locally. Mo has some work in progress here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/sleeves/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From simon at zikula.org Fri May 15 08:21:41 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:21:41 +0100 Subject: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) In-Reply-To: References: <20090514211729.GZ3514@localhost.localdomain> <20090514212521.GB16396@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> <4A0C8F2D.1040006@redhat.com> Message-ID: <001701c9d536$2dc734f0$89559ed0$@org> I'm the Zikula guy, and I'm lurking waiting for packaging to complete :) I would learn to package myself, but I have final year exams for my degree in 2 weeks so it's currently a little low on my priority list. I'll have much more time to press on with this in 3 weeks or so. Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora- > marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lauber > Sent: 14 May 2009 23:21 > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > Subject: Re: ETA on the CMS? (Was: Podcast feed) > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Where is the documentation on whats going on with this, if any? What > did we > > decide to use? > > The evaluation period was tracking on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites > (a page that probably needs updates) > > The decision was zikula. > Infrastructure has provided a test system but it needs to be redone > with the fedora rpms > The modules need to be packaged. > The list of modules to package is is in this thread: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-May/msg00041.html > At least one is started: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091 > > There are a number of Docs Project members that want to learn to > package but all need help (probably with more than just packaging) > There may be a packaging class focusing on these modules at the FAD at > SELF (I wish I could go). > > -Susan > > > > > Jack > > > > David Nalley wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ian Weller > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 05:17:29PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> CMS coming soon > >>>> > >>> > >>> Speaking of which, what's the ETA on this? > >>> > >> > >> Def. post-F-11 > >> I honestly haven't had the time I wish I could dedicate to getting > all > >> of the modules packaged. > >> In addition, Toshio pointed out several problems which have required > >> packaging some additional php modules. > >> > >> I'd argue we are 2 months away at our current rate - and I am > probably > >> forgetting about some critical path stuff that needs to happen. > >> > > -- > Susan Lauber, (RHCX, RHCA, RHCSS) > Lauber System Solutions, Inc. > http://www.laubersolutions.com > gpg: 15AC F794 A3D9 64D1 D9CE 4C26 EFC3 11C2 BFA1 0974 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: > 05/14/09 17:54:00 From kanarip at kanarip.com Fri May 15 08:46:59 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:46:59 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0D05A5.6030300@kanarip.com> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> <4A0D05A5.6030300@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4A0D2C03.6050902@kanarip.com> On 05/15/2009 08:03 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > I also think the Fedora Project > is stronger in it's development edge/focus, thriving Free Software > innovation by early adoption and being a platform (often? most?) used by > upstream developers, yada yada, blabla, , then > it is in spreading Linux out there. > Reading this back I may have been a little careless leaving out the fact that in spreading Linux we're not entirely doing a bad job, given the recent amount of exposure generated with the numbers we could honestly come up with ;-) These numbers in fact say we're the greatest in spreading Linux, but the question that comes to my mind is; Do we, or did we, attract these users / achieve this large install-base because we keep true to our original cause resulting in a product they want to and choose to use, or is it because we market Fedora so well it just so happens to be installed on so many machines (although many users might actually not care that it's Fedora)? --Jeroen From frankly3d at gmail.com Fri May 15 09:07:30 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:07:30 +0100 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0CF843.4020503@kanarip.com> <4A0CFA32.201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0D30D2.2020009@gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/15/2009 10:36 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> I would like to object to the image of Fedora merely being "an >> alternative", especially in the context of being an alternative to >> Microsoft Windows. If anything, Microsoft Windows is a very sad (or >> humorous) alternative to Linux. > > Well, the point of describing it that way is the end users don't > necessarily understand the idea of an operating system but most people > would know what Windows is. By describing it as a alternative, you get > the basic idea across. Try explaining to a non technical person, what > Linux is. > > Rahul > I have installed Fedora to "Linux Newbies", https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-April/msg00108.html including those that teach ECDL (MS-Office in actuality) http://www.ecdl.ie/ No problems as yet. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Still Learning, Unicode where possible From elio at tondo.it Fri May 15 09:35:52 2009 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:35:52 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0D3778.7050109@tondo.it> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > While I think what follows after that is still useful, perhaps we can > start with something like: > > "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like > Microsoft Windows and [...] > > Comments? Maybe you could just remove the words "like Microsoft Windows"? Elio From tatica at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 12:01:09 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:31:09 +1930 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0D3778.7050109@tondo.it> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0D3778.7050109@tondo.it> Message-ID: <27a6293b0905150501n5c0dbc55g659cd73c951f9a9b@mail.gmail.com> Yeah... I read "Microsoft Windows" and is like "Voldemort" for me.... we just CAN'T say his name xD But the general approach is correct. We need to have a more "friendly" description of what Fedora and we are, so they can feel attracted for it at first sight 2009/5/16 Elio Tondo : > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> While I think what follows after that is still useful, perhaps we can >> start with something like: >> >> "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like >> Microsoft Windows and [...] >> >> Comments? > > Maybe you could just remove the words "like Microsoft Windows"? > > Elio > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From shodo at yahoo.com Fri May 15 12:50:30 2009 From: shodo at yahoo.com (B.C.Eduard) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why would I want Fedora? Message-ID: <814813.89069.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I LIKE FEDORA! I am looking forward ......I will install Fedora on lot of PC ;) here in Spain jejejjeje -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shodo at yahoo.com Fri May 15 12:58:54 2009 From: shodo at yahoo.com (B.C.Eduard) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Media artwork Message-ID: <952171.3460.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Salut Nicule! Vreau si eu sa invat mai multe despre FEDORA! Am instalat Fedora 10 in portatil si i mi place;)....Eu sunt in Madrid acuma ....incerc sa promovez chestia pe aici pe la prieteni ...le arat cum este Fedora cu putinul ce stiu ! ...Este un proiect F interesant;;) ??????? Sanatate;)? Multumesc;) B.C.EDUARD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kam at kamsalisbury.com Fri May 15 13:08:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (kam at kamsalisbury.com) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? Message-ID: <0KJO00F1LSHUYU6R@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> -----Original Message----- From: Mar?a Leandro Subj: Re: Why would I want Fedora? Date: Fri May 15, 2009 8:01 am Size: 1K To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Yeah... I read "Microsoft Windows" and is like "Voldemort" for me.... we just CAN'T say his name xD Haha! Here we are at the pub and you say... You know, You Know Who's operating system. The GUI Desktop that shall not be named. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com From frankly3d at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:44:28 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:44:28 +0100 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0D7FCC.10102@gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like > Microsoft Windows and provides a easy and powerful graphical > environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free > experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six > months all for free." > Having had a few hours to think, maybe alternative may not be best. How about; "Fedora is similar to proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows and provides an easy and powerful graphical environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six months all for free (both in terms of cost, and ability to change the underlying code to suit your own needs)." Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 15:00:16 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:00:16 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4A0D7FCC.10102@gmail.com> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0D7FCC.10102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780905150800m6b293a19o55a2ce8b3b403a80@mail.gmail.com> > How about; > "Fedora is similar to proprietary operating systems like > ?Microsoft Windows and provides an easy and powerful graphical > ?environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free > experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six > months all for free (both in terms of cost, and ability to change the > underlying code to suit your own needs)." Isn't it similar to *BSD too ? "Fedora is an Operating System, just like Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac OS X or ... " There's one thing that is concerning me. When I submitted a game package in fedora, I had a description similar to "this game is in the style of " and I was told to remove the reference to a commercial trademark not owned by the Fedora Project as it could cause legal issues. Aren't we in a similar case by writing this kind of stuff on our wiki page ? Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From valik at valikszekely.com Fri May 15 15:01:55 2009 From: valik at valikszekely.com (valik at valikszekely.com) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:01:55 +0000 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? Message-ID: <376984454-1242399701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1104980989-@bxe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> While I sit here viewing everyones' responses to this subject about Fedora's description, I have only few reasons to see the it would not be an "alternative" to said proprietary operating systems. Thus far since the eariest stages of GUI driven Linux; only gamers, flash developers and like would not see the os as becoming a strong "alternative os" meaning without emulation. Fedora is what you make it to be. , nothing more and nothing less. In short "It's an OS the allows you to express yourself creatively as an artist as well as a techie. -Valik ------Original Message------ From: Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) Sender: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com ReplyTo: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Why would I want Fedora? Sent: May 15, 2009 10:44 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > "Fedora is a free alternative to proprietary operating systems like > Microsoft Windows and provides a easy and powerful graphical > environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free > experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six > months all for free." > Having had a few hours to think, maybe alternative may not be best. How about; "Fedora is similar to proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows and provides an easy and powerful graphical environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six months all for free (both in terms of cost, and ability to change the underlying code to suit your own needs)." Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jaa at redhat.com Fri May 15 15:06:03 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:06:03 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour--Something Fun Message-ID: <4A0D84DB.9090304@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, There is a page set up for the Fedora 11 Tour. Clint (Herlo) is supposed to have the screenshot tour done real soon, but other than that we have some stuff that needs filling in on that page. Does anyone want to give the text portions a go? Shouldn't be too complicated and mostly just cutting and pasting info from other pages. Also, has anyone finished any of their screencasts? I know Herlo was working on doing on of the 20 second boot up. I would appreciate if people could help out with this. Thanks, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Fri May 15 15:06:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:06:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Tour--Something Fun In-Reply-To: <4A0D84DB.9090304@redhat.com> References: <4A0D84DB.9090304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A0D84FE.9070102@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > There is a page set up for the Fedora 11 Tour. Clint (Herlo) is > supposed to have the screenshot tour done real soon, but other than > that we have some stuff that needs filling in on that page. Does > anyone want to give the text portions a go? Shouldn't be too > complicated and mostly just cutting and pasting info from other pages. > > Also, has anyone finished any of their screencasts? I know Herlo was > working on doing on of the 20 second boot up. > > I would appreciate if people could help out with this. > > Thanks, > Jack > Forgot to give the URL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_tour From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 16:13:02 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:13:02 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <376984454-1242399701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1104980989-@bxe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <376984454-1242399701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1104980989-@bxe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2d319b780905150913p2525e553kbf53b3b33bd8de40@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 17:01, wrote: > While I sit here viewing everyones' responses to this subject about Fedora's description, I have only few reasons to see the it would not be an "alternative" to said proprietary operating systems. ?Thus far since the eariest stages of GUI driven Linux; ?only gamers, flash developers and like would not see the os as becoming a strong "alternative os" meaning without emulation. When one says that Fedora is not an alternative to Windows, it doesn't mean that Fedora is inferior, and thus not yet a suitable alternative. What we mean is that Fedora doesn't aim to be an alternative to Windows. Instead, Fedora has clear goals. If anything, Fedora would be aiming to make Windows an alternative to Linux ;) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From eric at christensenplace.us Fri May 15 16:29:12 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:29:12 -0400 Subject: F11 Release Announcement Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement. The Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing team as well. If you are interested in helping out, please surf on over to the wiki and put your ideas down. I'd like to have this done by Wednesday, May 20th. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 Thanks, Eric Docs Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iEYEARECAAYFAkoNmFgACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGdiACgn0wAaJ4wjkuFiFXQNBVVi1Ll kboAniOdjFSFAQCwaFrKhpPBvZu8EoBA =gNx9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 15 17:24:14 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:54:14 +0530 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <2d319b780905150800m6b293a19o55a2ce8b3b403a80@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0D7FCC.10102@gmail.com> <2d319b780905150800m6b293a19o55a2ce8b3b403a80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0DA53E.1050303@fedoraproject.org> On 05/15/2009 08:30 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > When I submitted a game package in fedora, I had a description similar > to "this game is in the style of " and I > was told to remove the reference to a commercial trademark not owned > by the Fedora Project as it could cause legal issues. > > Aren't we in a similar case by writing this kind of stuff on our wiki page ? If you have actual legal questions, you should ask them in fedora-legal list. None of us qualified to really answer that. However, the exact wording is important. Describing something as a alternative amounts of fair use in my opinion. Note, we are not talking about the wiki pages but the home page of http://fedoraproject.org. Instead of just saying, the wording is not right, I encourage everyone to think of better ones. What would you put up, instead? How would you introduce Fedora to a non-technical end user? Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Fri May 15 18:39:09 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:39:09 -0400 Subject: Drafts for Red Hat Press Blog Message-ID: <4A0DB6CD.9090100@redhat.com> Hey All, I'm working on a couple of short pieces for the Red Hat Press Blog. The pieces are scheduled to be posted on 5/19 and and 5/21 and RH Comms needs them 24 hours in advance of that. They can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F11_rhpress_blog. Please let me know what you think and feel free to add to them. Jack From steven.moix at axianet.ch Fri May 15 20:44:33 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:44:33 +0200 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <2d319b780905150800m6b293a19o55a2ce8b3b403a80@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0CBE10.1020807@fedoraproject.org> <4A0D7FCC.10102@gmail.com> <2d319b780905150800m6b293a19o55a2ce8b3b403a80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0DD431.1090908@axianet.ch> Hi, On 05/15/2009 05:00 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> How about; >> "Fedora is similar to proprietary operating systems like >> Microsoft Windows and provides an easy and powerful graphical >> environment, office suite, games and more. It is a secure and virus-free >> experience with brand new releases full of major improvements every six >> months all for free (both in terms of cost, and ability to change the >> underlying code to suit your own needs)." > > Isn't it similar to *BSD too ? > > "Fedora is an Operating System, just like Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac > OS X or hurt people and too much will bore the reader> ... " > > There's one thing that is concerning me. > > When I submitted a game package in fedora, I had a description similar > to "this game is in the style of" and I > was told to remove the reference to a commercial trademark not owned > by the Fedora Project as it could cause legal issues. > > Aren't we in a similar case by writing this kind of stuff on our wiki page ? IMO we should NOT use comparisons, the moment you start to do this, you acknowledge that you are a follower instead of a leader. Fedora is what it is, a full OS that you can use for millions of things and this is how we should market it. Steven From jaa at redhat.com Fri May 15 21:32:10 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:32:10 -0400 Subject: DRAFT: Monday's Podcast with Spot Message-ID: <4A0DDF5A.2070000@redhat.com> This is a draft of what will go out on Monday morning. Please let me know what you think. Also, spot, is the audio content okay with you? Oh, also please not this is without the audio introduction which I will edit in once everything is done. Thanks, Jack ----------------- Fedora 11 Podcast Series #3 - General Overview of F11 with Tom 'Spot' Callaway Continuing on in our series of F11 Podcasts we present the next interview of the series with Tom 'Spot' Callaway. In case you don't know Spot, you can be sure he knows you, he's been making Fedora happen since before Fedora was Fedora! Spot is a Red Hat Engineer and Fedora Engineering Manager, he is also one of the most active and most knowledgeable community members. With keen insights and a bird's eye view of the Fedora release process, the community and our history and roadmap, you can be sure that any chat with post is worth your while. Fedora 11 General Overview and Insights with Tom Spot Callaway [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/spot%20podcast%20prerelease.ogg] In the interview Spot covers much ground with everything from features in the upcoming release such as 20 Second Startup [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/20SecondStartup] and Kernel Mode Setting [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] to the future Fedora Artists Movement! Spot also talks about the importance and benefit of Fedora's upstream oriented developer process, the recent enhancements to Fedora's QA process and the addition of members to the Fedora QA team. Finally Spot takes down a nostalgic trip down Memory Lane, with a discussion of the long history behind Fedora and what he thinks Fedora as a community has to offer contributors and why Fedora is the very best place to be. From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 15 22:23:19 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:23:19 -0400 Subject: DRAFT: Monday's Podcast with Spot In-Reply-To: <4A0DDF5A.2070000@redhat.com> References: <4A0DDF5A.2070000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090515222319.GL3432@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 05:32:10PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > This is a draft of what will go out on Monday morning. Please let me > know what you think. Also, spot, is the audio content okay with you? > Oh, also please not this is without the audio introduction which I will > edit in once everything is done. * edited version follows: Fedora 11 Podcast Series #3 - General Overview of F11 with Tom 'Spot' Callaway Continuing on in our series of Fedora 11 podcasts, we present an interview of the series with Tom 'Spot' Callaway. In case you don't know Spot, he's been making Fedora happen since before Fedora was called Fedora. Spot is a Red Hat Engineer, the Fedora Engineering Manager, and of course an active and knowledgeable community member. With keen insights and an eagle-eye view of the Fedora release process, the community, and our history and roadmap, you can be sure that any chat with Spot is worth your while. Fedora 11 General Overview and Insights with Tom Spot Callaway [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/spot%20podcast%20prerelease.ogg] In the interview, Spot covers much ground, with everything from features in the upcoming release such as 20 Second Startup [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/20SecondStartup] and Kernel Mode Setting [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] to the future Fedora artists movement. Spot also talks about the importance and benefit of Fedora's upstream oriented developer process, the recent enhancements to Fedora's QA process, and the addition of members to the Fedora QA team. Finally Spot takes a nostalgic trip down Memory Lane, with a discussion of the long history behind Fedora, what he thinks Fedora as a community has to offer contributors, and why Fedora is the very best place to be. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Fri May 15 23:20:53 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:20:53 +0200 Subject: some talking points for FEL In-Reply-To: <50baabb30904081042r65ce1696ofb9c43c5004a785c@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30904081042r65ce1696ofb9c43c5004a785c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30905151620n3e898a5dha4566f33c8d614f6@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Levente Kovacs shared with us his temperature collector design which carried out with gEDA/gaf tools. I did 2 screenshots[1] which you can use for your Fedora 11 release presentations. [1]: http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2009/05/eda-temperature-collector.html regards, Chitlesh From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 16 00:59:37 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 06:29:37 +0530 Subject: Create your own version of Fedora with Revisor Message-ID: <4A0E0FF9.9080100@fedoraproject.org> Hi Another one of those revisor tutorials http://www.ghacks.net/2009/05/15/create-your-own-version-of-fedora-with-revisor/ "Do you use Fedora? Do you have Fedora tweaked to the point you would like to either share your vision of this distribution? Or would you like to have an image of your tweaks so that the next time you need to install you won?t have to go back, after the basic install is done, and install all the apps and tweaks? It?s possible with Revisor. This handy tool from Fedora allows you to create your own ?respin? of Fedora Linux with the ease of a graphical wizard." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 16 01:00:51 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 06:30:51 +0530 Subject: Linux Distros that don't suck Message-ID: <4A0E1043.3000602@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://tech.nocr.at/tech/linux-distros-that-dont-suck-2/ "Fedora - The big boy on the block, and by big boy I don?t mean popularity, I mean in size. Fedora comes chalked with what seems like every application ever made. Although to some this might be nothing more than bloat, to others it?s a full and complete experience. Install Fedora and you pretty much have every open source application that is useful at your finger tips. If you have never experienced Linux before this is a great distro to get your feet wet with." Rahul From ian at ianweller.org Sat May 16 03:47:30 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:47:30 -0500 Subject: Linux Distros that don't suck In-Reply-To: <4A0E1043.3000602@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0E1043.3000602@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090516034730.GA9296@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:30:51AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://tech.nocr.at/tech/linux-distros-that-dont-suck-2/ > > "Fedora - The big boy on the block, and by big boy I don?t mean > popularity, I mean in size. Fedora comes chalked with what seems like > every application ever made. Although to some this might be nothing more > than bloat, to others it?s a full and complete experience. Install > Fedora and you pretty much have every open source application that is > useful at your finger tips. If you have never experienced Linux before > this is a great distro to get your feet wet with." > Finally, my experience in packaging things that only I use is being marketed! python-transitfeed, anyone? ;) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sat May 16 04:09:58 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:58 +0800 Subject: Why would I want Fedora? In-Reply-To: <376984454-1242399701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1104980989-@bxe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <376984454-1242399701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1104980989-@bxe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A0E3C96.9060903@gmail.com> valik at valikszekely.com wrote: > While I sit here viewing everyones' responses to this subject about Fedora's description, I have only few reasons to see the it would not be an "alternative" to said proprietary operating systems. Thus far since the eariest stages of GUI driven Linux; only gamers, flash developers and like would not see the os as becoming a strong "alternative os" meaning without emulation. > > Fedora is what you make it to be. , nothing more and nothing less. In short "It's an OS the allows you to express yourself creatively as an artist as well as a techie. > + also do not mention Fedora as an "alternative OS". May be "Fedora is a FREE OS comes with lots of FREE software that allows you to use it at will, for daily work, Internet and Email..." Something along this line. Hope you get what i meant here. -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From ian at ianweller.org Sat May 16 06:30:30 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:30:30 -0500 Subject: [Picture book] Proposed submission process changes Message-ID: <20090516063030.GA4980@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> Exciting news from M?ir?n Duffy on fedora-art-list with the "design team reboot": the new design team has shared space on people1. I'm thinking since 90% of people who have submitted images have asked me to upload them, I'd like for people to send them through me and I'll get them uploaded to the publically-accessible directory http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Picture%20Book/Photos/ Mo and I will work out how to do release form checks. But basically the process changes from "send me your photos for me to painstakingly upload by hand or do it yourself" to "send me your photos that I can rename and dump in a directory on people1". Less work for everyone, basically. It's quite possible we'll keep track of release form data on the wiki still. Comments, questions, concerns? -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That build will get better as a result of this work (although OLPC's focus will be on getting the XO-1.5 running) and it will form the basis for the XO-1.5 build. " Rahul From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat May 16 13:22:30 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:22:30 +0200 Subject: OLPC X0-1.5 and Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4A0EA817.4080205@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A0EA817.4080205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A0EBE16.1030700@axianet.ch> Rahul, herlo made a series of screenshots of this Sugar release on F11 if you want to transmit it to your contacts: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour Steven On 05/16/2009 01:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/05/16/the-olpc-xo-1-5-and-fedora-11 > > "Some good news from OLPC: we've decided to base the new XO-1.5 laptop's > software release on Fedora 11. Unlike previous releases, we plan to use > a full Fedora desktop build, booting into Sugar but giving users the > option to switch into a standard GNOME install instead. (This will > mostly be useful for older kids in high school.) > > We think we'll need to use our own kernel and initrd, but the other base > packages we expect to need are present in Fedora already, including > Sugar; in fact, we already have an F11+Sugar+GNOME build for the XO-1 > using pure Fedora packages. That build will get better as a result of > this work (although OLPC's focus will be on getting the XO-1.5 running) > and it will form the basis for the XO-1.5 build. " > > Rahul > From stickster at gmail.com Sun May 17 00:22:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:22:26 -0400 Subject: Drafts for Red Hat Press Blog In-Reply-To: <4A0DB6CD.9090100@redhat.com> References: <4A0DB6CD.9090100@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm working on a couple of short pieces for the Red Hat Press Blog. ?The > pieces are scheduled to be posted on 5/19 and and 5/21 and RH Comms needs > them 24 hours in advance of that. ?They can be found here: > ?https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F11_rhpress_blog. > > Please let me know what you think and feel free to add to them. You should have received the wiki edit notice, but I made some edits. Please look them over. :-) Paul From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sun May 17 02:13:00 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (kam at kamsalisbury.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:13:00 -0400 Subject: OLPC X0-1.5 and Fedora 11 Message-ID: <0KJR001U6NHYK90Y@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Moix Subj: Re: OLPC X0-1.5 and Fedora 11 Date: Sat May 16, 2009 9:22 am Size: 1K To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Rahul, herlo made a series of screenshots of this Sugar release on F11 if you want to transmit it to your contacts: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Screenshot_Tour Steven On 05/16/2009 01:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/05/16/the-olpc-xo-1-5-and-fedora-11 > Thanks! Its posted to identi.ca and twitter now. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com > "Some good news from OLPC: we've decided to base the new XO-1.5 laptop's > software release on Fedora 11. Unlike previous releases, we plan to use > a full Fedora desktop build, booting into Sugar but giving users the > option to switch into a standard GNOME install instead. (This will > mostly be useful for older kids in high school.) > > We think we'll need to use our own kernel and initrd, but the other base > packages we expect to need are present in Fedora already, including > Sugar; in fact, we already have an F11+Sugar+GNOME build for the XO-1 > using pure Fedora packages. That build will get better as a result of > this work (although OLPC's focus will be on getting the XO-1.5 running) > and it will form the basis for the XO-1.5 build. " > > Rahul > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jaa at redhat.com Mon May 18 15:13:31 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:13:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Podcast Series #3 - General Overview of F11 with Tom 'Spot' Callaway Message-ID: <4A117B1B.3010304@redhat.com> Continuing on in our series of Fedora 11 podcasts, we present an interview of the series with Tom 'Spot' Callaway. In case you don't know Spot, he's been making Fedora happen since before Fedora was called Fedora. Spot is a Red Hat Engineer, the Fedora Engineering Manager, and of course an active and knowledgeable community member. With keen insights and an eagle-eye view of the Fedora release process, the community, and our history and roadmap, you can be sure that any chat with Spot is worth your while. Fedora 11 General Overview and Insights with Tom Spot Callaway [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%2011%20Overview%20-%20Spot%20Callaway.ogg] In the interview, Spot covers much ground, with everything from features in the upcoming release such as 20 Second Startup [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/20SecondStartup] and Kernel Mode Setting [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] to the future Fedora artists movement. Spot also talks about the importance and benefit of Fedora's upstream oriented developer process, the recent enhancements to Fedora's QA process, and the addition of members to the Fedora QA team. Finally Spot takes a nostalgic trip down Memory Lane, with a discussion of the long history behind Fedora, what he thinks Fedora as a community has to offer contributors, and why Fedora is the very best place to be. From frankly3d at gmail.com Mon May 18 15:43:02 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:43:02 +0100 Subject: Linux is not an OS (Link) Ctrl-F "Fedora" Message-ID: <4A118206.2020304@gmail.com> In case of any relevance http://www.nuxified.org/article/linux_not_os "What I believe we should focus on instead is designation of what we used to call "distros" as operating systems in their own right. We could call them "Linux based" operating systems to denote the fact that they have Linux as the core. FSF fans can call it "GNU based" if they wish, but the distro itself is the actual OS, not "Linux" or "GNU/Linux". So when we try to get people to switch, I believe we would be FAR more effective to just pick one OS on the market and promote that one on its own merits. If you pick Fedora then call it a Linux based Fedora OS and brag about all of the things that make Fedora great, not all of the things that make Linux or GNU great - alas both GNU and Linux are a part of Fedora, but it is still this unique product and user experience we can have with it that is what we are interested in, not the parts." Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 18 19:48:53 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:18:53 +0530 Subject: OLPC goes the full Fedora Message-ID: <4A11BBA5.9090708@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.h-online.com/open/OLPC-goes-the-full-Fedora--/news/113315 "Unlike previous releases, the developers are planning to use a full Fedora desktop build which will boot into Sugar, the open source learning platform used on the XO laptops, and also give users "the option to switch into the standard GNOME install instead." The option is mainly intended for older students, such as those in high school." Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Mon May 18 22:26:18 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:26:18 -0400 Subject: Draft of Tomorrow's news/podcast with Ajax Message-ID: <4A11E08A.4070805@redhat.com> Oops, sorry I forgot to send this out sooner. -------------- Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson For the fourth podcast in our Fedora 11 podcast series, we turn to the magic that is our display system. One of the coolest new features in Fedora 11 is the ability to do kernel based mode setting for the display. Kernel mode setting [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] allows the kernel to set certain parameters for the display and moves this functionality out of the X server itself and out of user space. This enables cool things such as quicker graphical boot up and fancier eye candy. For more information I caught up with Fedora X and diaplay guru Adam Jackson. Adam is a lifer on the X scene and knows more about displays than you, I and probably he himself want to know. Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Kernel%20Mode%20Setting%20-%20Adam%20Jackson.ogg] In the interview, Adam talks about the hidden underbelly of Linux and X graphics and displays and how previous version of Fedora may, or may not have been able to trigger seizures. Adam also expands the possible inclusion of a kernel crash screen of death (yes it comes with flaming eyes), how collaborating with other distros and upstreams has helped him achieve great things and how that helps others, and finally, about the upcoming Boston area concert calendar. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 18 23:14:27 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 04:44:27 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 Team Taking Codename Suggestions Message-ID: <4A11EBD3.1090906@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://ostatic.com/blog/fedora-12-team-taking-codename-suggestions "It seems like just yesterday Fedora 11's development team codenamed it's bouncing bundle of joy "Leonidas" (after the Spartan King, of course). Contributing members of the Fedora community are putting their heads together again to come up with a codename for Fedora 12, and if you've got a good suggestion you've only got until May 23rd to shout it out." Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 19 14:06:49 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Podcast #4 - KMS with Adam Jackson Message-ID: <4A12BCF9.7070108@redhat.com> Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson For the fourth podcast in our Fedora 11 podcast series, we turn to the magic that is our display system. One of the coolest new features in Fedora 11 is the ability to do kernel based mode setting for the display. Kernel mode setting [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] allows the kernel to set certain parameters for the display and moves this functionality out of the X server itself and out of user space. This enables cool things such as quicker graphical boot up and fancier eye candy. For more information I caught up with Fedora X and diaplay guru Adam Jackson. Adam is a lifer on the X scene and knows more about displays than you, I and probably he himself want to know. Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Kernel%20Mode%20Setting%20-%20Adam%20Jackson.ogg] In the interview, Adam talks about the hidden underbelly of Linux and X graphics and displays and how previous version of Fedora may, or may not have been able to trigger seizures. Adam also expands the possible inclusion of a kernel crash screen of death (yes it comes with flaming eyes), how collaborating with other distros and upstreams has helped him achieve great things and how that helps others, and finally, about the upcoming Boston area concert calendar. From laubersm at fedoraproject.org Tue May 19 14:31:41 2009 From: laubersm at fedoraproject.org (Susan Lauber) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:31:41 -0400 Subject: Question about wiki books page Message-ID: Greetings, I was reviewing the wiki Communicate page [1] - a page we send end users and new contributors towards on a regular basis. There is a link to a books page [2] which history shows has not been updated since the import from the old wiki system (May 2008) and has a number of really old and outdated books listed. It would be nice if someone more in the know than myself, could review the list and perhap cull the old entries and add some newer books. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Helping_Yourself [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books Thanks, Susan -- Susan Lauber, (RHCX, RHCA, RHCSS) Lauber System Solutions, Inc. http://www.laubersolutions.com gpg: 15AC F794 A3D9 64D1 D9CE 4C26 EFC3 11C2 BFA1 0974 From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Tue May 19 14:50:39 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:50:39 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 11 Podcast #4 - KMS with Adam Jackson In-Reply-To: <4A12BCF9.7070108@redhat.com> References: <4A12BCF9.7070108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A12C73F.7060106@gmail.com> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson > > For the fourth podcast in our Fedora 11 podcast series, we turn to the > magic that is our display system. One of the coolest new features in > Fedora 11 is the ability to do kernel based mode setting for the > display. Kernel mode setting > [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting] allows the > kernel to set certain parameters for the display and moves this > functionality out of the X server itself and out of user space. This > enables cool things such as quicker graphical boot up and fancier eye > candy. For more information I caught up with Fedora X and diaplay guru > Adam Jackson. Adam is a lifer on the X scene and knows more about > displays than you, I and probably he himself want to know. > > Kernel Mode Setting with Adam Jackson > [http://jack.fedorapeople.org/Kernel%20Mode%20Setting%20-%20Adam%20Jackson.ogg] > > > In the interview, Adam talks about the hidden underbelly of Linux and > X graphics and displays and how previous version of Fedora may, or may > not have been able to trigger seizures. Adam also expands the > possible inclusion of a kernel crash screen of death (yes it comes > with flaming eyes), how collaborating with other distros and > upstreams has helped him achieve great things and how that helps > others, and finally, about the upcoming Boston area concert calendar. Thanks. Very nice. -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 19 15:19:07 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:19:07 -0400 Subject: Marketing Meeting Today 2009/05/19 @ 20.00 UTC Message-ID: <4A12CDEB.1090208@redhat.com> Hey Everyone, We will be having our regularly scheduled meeting today. The times are 20.00 UTC which is 4 Eastern, 1 Pacific. We will be discussing the wrap up of all the content we have/need to complete before release, plans for release day and the follow up. See you there, Jack From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 19 20:34:56 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: Non English Podcast? Message-ID: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> Does anyone on the list who speaks another language, fluently, such as French, Spanish, German or any of the languages in India have any interest in recording a podcast with a feature owner who can speak the same? Might be good to have some audio in something other then english, what do you think? Jack From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 19 20:49:38 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:49:38 -0400 Subject: F11 Release Announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A131B62.6030803@redhat.com> Any updates on this? Jack Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement. The > Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to > open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing > team as well. If you are interested in helping out, please surf on > over to the wiki and put your ideas down. I'd like to have this done > by Wednesday, May 20th. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 > > > Thanks, > Eric > > Docs Project > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoNmFgACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGdiACgn0wAaJ4wjkuFiFXQNBVVi1Ll > kboAniOdjFSFAQCwaFrKhpPBvZu8EoBA > =gNx9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From steven.moix at axianet.ch Tue May 19 21:11:40 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:11:40 +0200 Subject: Marketing Meeting 2009-05-19 IRC Log Message-ID: <4A13208C.4080408@axianet.ch> Here it is, full of joy and happiness: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2009-05-19 Steven From eric at christensenplace.us Wed May 20 01:44:47 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:44:47 -0400 Subject: F11 Release Announcement In-Reply-To: <4A131B62.6030803@redhat.com> References: <4A131B62.6030803@redhat.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No one has touched the wiki page and we need to get this done. I had writers block over the weekend so no real output from my fingers. I'd like to have something to go over in tomorrow's Docs meeting. If anyone would like to try their hand at it... Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iEYEARECAAYFAkoTYI4ACgkQfQTSQL0MFMFQ/gCg0BYr59RYl6m1xGWvArY6JzE1 2fMAniiERq74trgXDRnnZFdNwm5DY+1H =LITf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 16:49, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Any updates on this? > > Jack > > Eric Christensen wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement. ?The >> Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to >> open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing >> team as well. ?If you are interested in helping out, please surf on >> over to the wiki and put your ideas down. ?I'd like to have this done >> by Wednesday, May 20th. >> >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 >> >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> Docs Project >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkoNmFgACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGdiACgn0wAaJ4wjkuFiFXQNBVVi1Ll >> kboAniOdjFSFAQCwaFrKhpPBvZu8EoBA >> =gNx9 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > > From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 20 01:55:30 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:55:30 -0400 Subject: F11 Release Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <4A131B62.6030803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A136312.7030705@redhat.com> Hey, I'm really busy other stuff, I can try, but no promises at all. If anyone else can start playing with it and maybe I can look at it towards the tail end of the week. Jack Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No one has touched the wiki page and we need to get this done. I had > writers block over the weekend so no real output from my fingers. I'd > like to have something to go over in tomorrow's Docs meeting. > > If anyone would like to try their hand at it... > > Eric > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoTYI4ACgkQfQTSQL0MFMFQ/gCg0BYr59RYl6m1xGWvArY6JzE1 > 2fMAniiERq74trgXDRnnZFdNwm5DY+1H > =LITf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 16:49, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> Any updates on this? >> >> Jack >> >> Eric Christensen wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement. The >>> Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to >>> open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing >>> team as well. If you are interested in helping out, please surf on >>> over to the wiki and put your ideas down. I'd like to have this done >>> by Wednesday, May 20th. >>> >>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> >>> Docs Project >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkoNmFgACgkQfQTSQL0MFMGdiACgn0wAaJ4wjkuFiFXQNBVVi1Ll >>> kboAniOdjFSFAQCwaFrKhpPBvZu8EoBA >>> =gNx9 >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> >>> >> From ian at ianweller.org Wed May 20 01:57:28 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Picture book] Proposed submission process changes In-Reply-To: <20090516063030.GA4980@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> References: <20090516063030.GA4980@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> Message-ID: <20090520015728.GA4686@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 01:30:30AM -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > Exciting news from M?ir?n Duffy on fedora-art-list with the "design team > reboot": the new design team has shared space on people1. I'm thinking > since 90% of people who have submitted images have asked me to upload > them, I'd like for people to send them through me and I'll get them > uploaded to the publically-accessible directory > http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Picture%20Book/Photos/ > > Mo and I will work out how to do release form checks. But basically the > process changes from "send me your photos for me to painstakingly upload > by hand or do it yourself" to "send me your photos that I can rename and > dump in a directory on people1". Less work for everyone, basically. > > It's quite possible we'll keep track of release form data on the wiki > still. > > Comments, questions, concerns? > Since there were no comments and nobody brought it up in meeting (sorry I missed it :( ) I went ahead and uploaded all the photos to: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Picture%20Book/Photos/ I'll be thinking about how we'll be keeping track of release forms in this new manner of doing things, and then changing the submission process momentarily to fit. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 20 14:12:39 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:12:39 -0400 Subject: Draft of Tomorrow's 05/21 Print Interview w/Lennart Poettering Message-ID: <4A140FD7.90302@redhat.com> *The Sound of Fedora 11 - Audio Control with Lennart Poettering* Where would we be without sound? It's the most primitive of communication methods, and yet it has spawned so much technology around it. Whether you're a musician, a DJ, riding a bus to work or even just stuck in a cubicle listening to the radio somewhere, sound has become an integral part of our daily experiences. When Fedora 11 lands along with it will land more than a handful of enhancements to the sound subsystem, including unified volume control, per stream and per device monitoring and proper Bluetooth audio support. I recently caught up with Lennart Poettering, Red Hat Desktop Team Engineer and resident audio guru. Here's what he had to say about the upcoming improvements and what the future holds: *1. Please introduce yourself and give us a brief intro to how you started working on the upcoming audio improvement in F11.* I am Lennart Poettering and have been working for Red Hat in the Desktop Group for two years now this month. I live in Berlin, Germany. PA has been part of Fedora since F8. Since then we used to ship two volume control appications: the GNOME volume control and a PA specific tool (pavucontrol). The latter was mostly a showcase what can be done with PA and I wrote it mostly as a demo, not because I thought it was any good as an UI. Of course having these two volume control UIs in Fedora was a situation that badly needed fixing. Especially since both UIs exposed too many unnecessary options: the GNOME volume control exposed a lot of low-level hardware-specific features that only a tiny minority of people actually really understood, and the PA volume control exposed a lot of low-level software features that a slightly larger minority of people only actually really understood. Now during the last year we reached a point were the feature set of PA for volume controls became very complete (with such things as arbitrary meta data on every stream/device, per-stream and per-device monitoring, hardware volume range extension, "flat" volumes and lots of other stuff) and Jon McCan with help from Bastien Nocera finally took up the work to fix the UI situation. They basically designed the new UI from scratch with input from usability experts. It implements many of the features the old pavucontrol tool did, but in a much nicer, streamlined way. Also it integrates sound theme/event sound control with general audio configuraton and volume control in a single UI tool. *2. Can you give us some background on the upcoming changes to the audio subsystem in the Fedora 11 Release.* If you want to know more about the Volume Control, I'd just refer to the Feature page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl We moved PA 0.9.15 into F11, a nice overview over the new features you can find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-fifteen.html However that overview is a bit out-of-date. There are quite a few additional features that went into 0.9.15, most prominently full Bluetooth Audio support: Together with Bastien Nocera and the BlueZ guys I worked to make Bluetooth audio easily accessible -- the bluetooth applet now exposes an easy dialog that allows you to pair and activate a bluetooth headset. After that is done it will automatically appear in PulseAudio. If you need to reactivate it later, you can do that with a simple click in the applet menu. It works surprisingly well. It even works fine for lip-sync video. Which is kind of magic, given that Bluetooth Audio doesn't actually offer any timing interfaces, so syncing up audio with video is not really possible. I spent a lot of time to make sure it does work nonetheless, and it seems to work on the majority of headphones although I cannot say for sure if it does for all of them. *3. Where did the ideas to change all this stuff come from. Didn't audio always work in Fedora?* Depends what you mean by 'work'. Sure, basic audio output worked. But in many ways what we had on Linux was not comparable to what MacOS or Windows supported. And it still isn't in many ways. However in other ways we have now surpassed those competitors. A lot of the changes we introduced with PA are not directly visible to the user. For example the so called 'glitch-free' logic in PA is very important for a modern audio stack, however the normal user will never notice it -- except maybe because when we introduced it initially a lot of driver bugs got exposed that people were not aware of before because that driver functionality (usually timing related) was not really depended on by any application. In fact even now many of the older drivers expose broken timing that makes usage with PA not as much fun as it could be. A more detailed explanation of this 'glitch-free' logic you may find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html Both Windows Vista and MacOS X have similar g-f logic in their audio stacks, however with PA we brought it to the next step. For example, we implemented this logic in a zero-copy fashion and with arbitrary sample types. This allows us to pass PCM data through our pipelines without ever having to copy/convert it unless we really have to. So yes, as you might noticed I spend a lot of time to get low-level internals right. And I like to speak about it, even though most people are not aware of all those technical details and how awesome this all is. ;-) That said, this stuff isn't perfect yet and could need more improvements. But it's not all just in the low-level details. Also on higher levels we got inspired by how our competitors do things. For example the new "flat" volume logic was pioneered in Vista, and we have now adopted a similar logic in PA. It's a great way to reduce the complexities of volume control by 'merging' a few of the sliders in the pipeline. It thus solves the "So which slider is now causing my volume to be too low?" a bit. But also here, there's more work to be done. It's not all just getting inspired by our competitors. There are a lot of genuinily new features in PA that none of them have (at least to my knowledge). For example, in PA we have 'spatial' event sounds. i.e. if an event sound sound is triggered by a mouse click/dialog at the left side of the screen the sound is generated more from the left speakers, and similar for the right side. This is of course mostly a toy. But I think a useful one ;-) . Listing all the fancy features PA has would certainly be a bit too much for your interview. So I'll leave it with this... ;-) Generally, we get inspiration from everywhere. And sure, as long as the most basic music playback was enough for you audio did always work in Fedora. But OTOH, when we started with the integration of all of these new audio features into Fedora two years ago the audio stack was still at a point of what was modern in the 90's. With the new features of the new volume control and PA we are working on bringing Linux audio to what is modern today. *4. Can you also give us a comparison of our new audio framework in reference to other audio frameworks and audio subsystem models that are out there?* There are many frameworks out there. On Free Software systems PA doesn't really have any competitor. Some people think that JACK is one, but it actually is not. JACK is clearly focussed on audio production and not very useful on the desktop otherwise. For example, it is strictly designed to provide very low-latency at the price of power consumption. This is the right thing to do for audio production but not on the general desktop. Logic like 'glitch-free' (see above) makes a lot of sense for the usual desktop audio since it allows flexible adjusting of the latency to what is needed. If used properly it can be used to decrease the interrupt rate to 1/s, while still allowing instant reaction to user input. Since most PCs these days are laptops theses kind of power consumption related features are very important. One of the current weaker points of Audio on Linux is that we have this clear seperation of JACK for audio production and PA for desktop/embedded. Other operating systems have managed to make this a bit smoother by having a single stack for both. This however actually has both advantages and disadvantages. To improve the sitatuion f now we focussed on making PA and JACK cooperate better. In F11 when JACK needs low-level access to an audio device it will tell PA so and PA will comply and release the device. This should make switching between the two sound systems easier though of course this is no perfect solution. Given the lack of manpower further integration is unlikely to happen anytime soon -- though both the JACK guys and I seem not generally opposed to something like that. Now, if you compare our audio stacks with those of the big other operating systems (Windows and MacOSX), then besides the fact that they usually integrate desktop audio and audio production better than we do (as mentioned) there are many things we are better in and many they are better in. We certainly have more flexibility: i.e. depending on your application you can access audio on a lot of different levels: you can access ALSA directly if you need very low-level control, or via PA for desktop level control. You have APIs like GStreamer for media streaming and so on. This flexibility however translates to more complexity in many ways, and a hodgepodge of API styles. (OTOH Apple's CoreAudio actually isn't as streamlined as many MacOS proponents like us to think.) The documentation for our APIs is usually much worse then theirs. We really need some improvements in that area. Featurewise, PA usually has better networking related features then those counterparts. But there's a lot of features they have right now we lack. Other Unixes, such as FreeBSD and OpenSolaris are still stuck with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In F11 we finally switched OSS off by default (though you can still reenable it via some minor hackery). OSS was the predecessor of ALSA. Thankfully it is now fully obsolete on Linux. OSS is mostly a design from the early nineties. It has received only minor updating since then. It is no way comparable to what we now have on Linux or even what MacOS or Windows provide. (Although is has some very vocal fans which like to write me hate mails because I say things like this) *5. This work all started in earlier releases dating all the way to even Fedora 8, if I am correct. How has all this stuff progressed and evolved from then? What was done in previous releases that enabled building upon for this release?* Fedora 8 was the first release where we integrated PA. In Fedora 9 we stabilized PA support. In F10 we integrated the 'glitch-free' logic which turned out to be quite a bumpy ride given that it exposed a lot of timing related driver bugs. In F11 g-f has now been made more robust and most of the more modern audio drivers should now be fixed. Also we have now started to push PA support more into the UI, like with this new volume control. *6. What are the plans for the future, if any, in this particular space in the distro?* I am working on multiple things for F12. Firstly there will be a couple of more low-level changes to PA. The core will be made more threaded. Right now, we run most things in one 'main' thread and do low-level audio I/O in one thread for each audio card. My plan for F12 is to split that one 'main' thread up into as many threads as possible. THis should make PA more robust for a couple of operations, and make latencies more reliable. Then, I am working on considerably beefing up PA's usage of the low-level hardware volume controls. For example, many cards have seperate low-level volume sliders for "Speaker", "Master", "PCM" (and more) that are in the line from the PCM data we stream to the speakers. PA currently exposes only one of those sliders (usually "Master"). My plan is to 'multiply' those sliders and create a single 'product' virtual slider from them that has a better granularity and a larger range. This rework will also introduce input/output switching and probably more. What has already landed in PA's git repository is support for UPnP A/V. When used in conjunction with Zeeshan Ali's Rygel UPnP MediaServer implementation this allows streaming any application's audio to a any UPnP MediaRenderer (including PS3/Xboxes and all those 'Internet Radio' devices). This is actually pretty neat. Later on we hope to make PA a MediaRenderer as as well as a MediaServer. This nicely compliments our current Apple RAOP support. And there's a lot of other things planned. We'll see how much of that will be ready for F12. I don't like to talk too much about upcoming features and planned code if I don't have anything to show yet, so I'll leave it at this. And then there's always a little project of mine that is called 'libsydney' that is intended to be a portable, modern and friendly PCM API. During the last months I focussed more on PA itself though. *7. Do you feel that work like this helps enhance the desktop experience on Linux in general and strengthens the cause of the Linux Desktop, or is it more like all in days work?* I think that PA is the way forward for audio on the Linux desktop. It may have its deficiencies -- but everything has. We still have some way to go, but I believe that a modern audio layer is really important for the Linux Desktop to succeed. And no, it doesn't feel at all in a day's work. It always is a great feeling to see how PA got incorporated into so many distributions and how it is now used by so many people. I am pretty sure that only if you hack on Linux software you get this in this ways. *8. Speaking of all in a days work, what are things do you usually work on? What do you most enjoy doing outside of work.* RH basically hired me to help improving audio on Linux. So that's what I am doing during work. Outside of work spend my time with photopgraphy. And I am trying my best to travel to interesting places as much as I can and my time off allows. From stickster at gmail.com Wed May 20 14:41:05 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: Draft of Tomorrow's 05/21 Print Interview w/Lennart Poettering In-Reply-To: <4A140FD7.90302@redhat.com> References: <4A140FD7.90302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090520144105.GG3512@localhost.localdomain> Awesome. I made a couple minor spelling and other trivial fixes throughout. New version below: * * * *The Sound of Fedora 11 - Audio Control with Lennart Poettering* Where would we be without sound? It's the most primitive of communication methods, and yet it has spawned so much technology around it. Whether you're a musician, a DJ, riding a bus to work, or even just stuck in a cubicle listening to the radio somewhere, sound has become an integral part of your daily experiences. When Fedora 11 lands, along with it will land a number of enhancements to the sound subsystem, including unified volume control, per stream and per device monitoring, and proper Bluetooth audio support. I recently caught up with Lennart Poettering, Red Hat Desktop Team Engineer and resident audio guru. Here's what he had to say about the upcoming improvements and what the future holds: *1. Please introduce yourself and give us a brief intro to how you started working on the upcoming audio improvement in F11.* I am Lennart Poettering and have been working for Red Hat in the Desktop Group for two years now this month. I live in Berlin, Germany. PA has been part of Fedora since F8. Since then we used to ship two volume control appications: the GNOME volume control and a PA specific tool (pavucontrol). The latter was mostly a showcase what can be done with PA and I wrote it mostly as a demo, not because I thought it was any good as an UI. Of course having these two volume control UIs in Fedora was a situation that badly needed fixing. Especially since both UIs exposed too many unnecessary options: the GNOME volume control exposed a lot of low-level hardware-specific features that only a tiny minority of people actually really understood, and the PA volume control exposed a lot of low-level software features that a slightly larger minority of people only actually really understood. Now during the last year we reached a point were the feature set of PA for volume controls became very complete (with such things as arbitrary meta data on every stream/device, per-stream and per-device monitoring, hardware volume range extension, "flat" volumes and lots of other stuff) and Jon McCan with help from Bastien Nocera finally took up the work to fix the UI situation. They basically designed the new UI from scratch with input from usability experts. It implements many of the features the old pavucontrol tool did, but in a much nicer, streamlined way. Also it integrates sound theme/event sound control with general audio configuraton and volume control in a single UI tool. *2. Can you give us some background on the upcoming changes to the audio subsystem in the Fedora 11 Release?* If you want to know more about the Volume Control, I'd just refer to the Feature page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl We moved PA 0.9.15 into F11, a nice overview over the new features you can find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-fifteen.html However that overview is a bit out-of-date. There are quite a few additional features that went into 0.9.15, most prominently full Bluetooth Audio support: Together with Bastien Nocera and the BlueZ guys I worked to make Bluetooth audio easily accessible -- the bluetooth applet now exposes an easy dialog that allows you to pair and activate a bluetooth headset. After that is done it will automatically appear in PulseAudio. If you need to reactivate it later, you can do that with a simple click in the applet menu. It works surprisingly well. It even works fine for lip-sync video. Which is kind of magic, given that Bluetooth Audio doesn't actually offer any timing interfaces, so syncing up audio with video is not really possible. I spent a lot of time to make sure it does work nonetheless, and it seems to work on the majority of headphones although I cannot say for sure if it does for all of them. *3. Where did the ideas to change all this stuff come from? Didn't audio always work in Fedora?* Depends what you mean by 'work'. Sure, basic audio output worked. But in many ways what we had on Linux was not comparable to what MacOS or Windows supported. And it still isn't in many ways. However in other ways we have now surpassed those competitors. A lot of the changes we introduced with PA are not directly visible to the user. For example the so called 'glitch-free' logic in PA is very important for a modern audio stack, however the normal user will never notice it -- except maybe because when we introduced it initially a lot of driver bugs got exposed that people were not aware of before because that driver functionality (usually timing related) was not really depended on by any application. In fact even now many of the older drivers expose broken timing that makes usage with PA not as much fun as it could be. A more detailed explanation of this 'glitch-free' logic you may find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html Both Windows Vista and MacOS X have similar g-f logic in their audio stacks, however with PA we brought it to the next step. For example, we implemented this logic in a zero-copy fashion and with arbitrary sample types. This allows us to pass PCM data through our pipelines without ever having to copy/convert it unless we really have to. So yes, as you might noticed I spend a lot of time to get low-level internals right. And I like to speak about it, even though most people are not aware of all those technical details and how awesome this all is. ;-) That said, this stuff isn't perfect yet and could need more improvements. But it's not all just in the low-level details. Also on higher levels we got inspired by how our competitors do things. For example the new "flat" volume logic was pioneered in Vista, and we have now adopted a similar logic in PA. It's a great way to reduce the complexities of volume control by 'merging' a few of the sliders in the pipeline. It thus solves the "So which slider is now causing my volume to be too low?" a bit. But also here, there's more work to be done. It's not all just getting inspired by our competitors. There are a lot of genuinely new features in PA that none of them have (at least to my knowledge). For example, in PA we have 'spatial' event sounds. I.e. if an event sound sound is triggered by a mouse click/dialog at the left side of the screen the sound is generated more from the left speakers, and similar for the right side. This is of course mostly a toy. But I think a useful one ;-) . Listing all the fancy features PA has would certainly be a bit too much for your interview. So I'll leave it with this... ;-) Generally, we get inspiration from everywhere. And sure, as long as the most basic music playback was enough for you audio did always work in Fedora. But OTOH, when we started with the integration of all of these new audio features into Fedora two years ago the audio stack was still at a point of what was modern in the 90's. With the new features of the new volume control and PA we are working on bringing Linux audio to what is modern today. *4. Can you also give us a comparison of our new audio framework in reference to other audio frameworks and audio subsystem models that are out there?* There are many frameworks out there. On Free Software systems PA doesn't really have any competitor. Some people think that JACK is one, but it actually is not. JACK is clearly focussed on audio production and not very useful on the desktop otherwise. For example, it is strictly designed to provide very low-latency at the price of power consumption. This is the right thing to do for audio production but not on the general desktop. Logic like 'glitch-free' (see above) makes a lot of sense for the usual desktop audio since it allows flexible adjusting of the latency to what is needed. If used properly it can be used to decrease the interrupt rate to 1/s, while still allowing instant reaction to user input. Since most PCs these days are laptops theses kind of power consumption related features are very important. One of the current weaker points of Audio on Linux is that we have this clear seperation of JACK for audio production and PA for desktop/embedded. Other operating systems have managed to make this a bit smoother by having a single stack for both. This however actually has both advantages and disadvantages. To improve the sitatuion f now we focussed on making PA and JACK cooperate better. In F11 when JACK needs low-level access to an audio device it will tell PA so and PA will comply and release the device. This should make switching between the two sound systems easier though of course this is no perfect solution. Given the lack of manpower further integration is unlikely to happen anytime soon -- though both the JACK guys and I seem not generally opposed to something like that. Now, if you compare our audio stacks with those of the big other operating systems (Windows and MacOSX), then besides the fact that they usually integrate desktop audio and audio production better than we do (as mentioned) there are many things we are better in and many they are better in. We certainly have more flexibility: i.e. depending on your application you can access audio on a lot of different levels: you can access ALSA directly if you need very low-level control, or via PA for desktop level control. You have APIs like GStreamer for media streaming and so on. This flexibility however translates to more complexity in many ways, and a hodgepodge of API styles. (OTOH Apple's CoreAudio actually isn't as streamlined as many MacOS proponents like us to think.) The documentation for our APIs is usually much worse then theirs. We really need some improvements in that area. Featurewise, PA usually has better networking related features then those counterparts. But there's a lot of features they have right now we lack. Other Unixes, such as FreeBSD and OpenSolaris are still stuck with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In F11 we finally switched OSS off by default (though you can still reenable it via some minor hackery). OSS was the predecessor of ALSA. Thankfully it is now fully obsolete on Linux. OSS is mostly a design from the early nineties. It has received only minor updating since then. It is no way comparable to what we now have on Linux or even what MacOS or Windows provide. (Although is has some very vocal fans which like to write me hate mails because I say things like this) *5. This work all started in earlier releases dating all the way to even Fedora 8, if I am correct. How has all this stuff progressed and evolved from then? What was done in previous releases that enabled building upon for this release?* Fedora 8 was the first release where we integrated PA. In Fedora 9 we stabilized PA support. In F10 we integrated the 'glitch-free' logic which turned out to be quite a bumpy ride given that it exposed a lot of timing related driver bugs. In F11 g-f has now been made more robust and most of the more modern audio drivers should now be fixed. Also we have now started to push PA support more into the UI, like with this new volume control. *6. What are the plans for the future, if any, in this particular space in the distro?* I am working on multiple things for F12. Firstly there will be a couple of more low-level changes to PA. The core will be made more threaded. Right now, we run most things in one 'main' thread and do low-level audio I/O in one thread for each audio card. My plan for F12 is to split that one 'main' thread up into as many threads as possible. THis should make PA more robust for a couple of operations, and make latencies more reliable. Then, I am working on considerably beefing up PA's usage of the low-level hardware volume controls. For example, many cards have seperate low-level volume sliders for "Speaker", "Master", "PCM" (and more) that are in the line from the PCM data we stream to the speakers. PA currently exposes only one of those sliders (usually "Master"). My plan is to 'multiply' those sliders and create a single 'product' virtual slider from them that has a better granularity and a larger range. This rework will also introduce input/output switching and probably more. What has already landed in PA's git repository is support for UPnP A/V. When used in conjunction with Zeeshan Ali's Rygel UPnP MediaServer implementation this allows streaming any application's audio to a any UPnP MediaRenderer (including PS3/Xboxes and all those 'Internet Radio' devices). This is actually pretty neat. Later on we hope to make PA a MediaRenderer as as well as a MediaServer. This nicely compliments our current Apple RAOP support. And there's a lot of other things planned. We'll see how much of that will be ready for F12. I don't like to talk too much about upcoming features and planned code if I don't have anything to show yet, so I'll leave it at this. And then there's always a little project of mine that is called 'libsydney' that is intended to be a portable, modern and friendly PCM API. During the last months I focussed more on PA itself though. *7. Do you feel that work like this helps enhance the desktop experience on Linux in general and strengthens the cause of the Linux Desktop, or is it more all in day's work?* I think that PA is the way forward for audio on the Linux desktop. It may have its deficiencies -- but everything has. We still have some way to go, but I believe that a modern audio layer is really important for the Linux Desktop to succeed. And no, it doesn't feel at all in a day's work. It always is a great feeling to see how PA got incorporated into so many distributions and how it is now used by so many people. I am pretty sure that only if you hack on Linux software you get this in this ways. *8. Speaking of all in a days work, what are things do you usually work on? What do you most enjoy doing outside of work.* RH basically hired me to help improving audio on Linux. So that's what I am doing during work. Outside of work spend my time with photopgraphy. And I am trying my best to travel to interesting places as much as I can and my time off allows. * * * -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed May 20 14:54:17 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:54:17 -0300 Subject: Fedora 11 DVD artwork test and FLISOL material Message-ID: <4A141999.8020404@projetofedora.org> Hello guys! I published today in my Blog[1] some pictures of the mktg material produced for Brazilian FLISOL and Fedora 11 Label printing tests. Take a look at www.rodrigopadula.com -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com From jaa at redhat.com Wed May 20 14:54:43 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:54:43 -0400 Subject: Draft of Tomorrow's 05/21 Print Interview w/Lennart Poettering In-Reply-To: <20090520144105.GG3512@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A140FD7.90302@redhat.com> <20090520144105.GG3512@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A1419B3.9010000@redhat.com> Awesome. Thanks, Jack Paul W. Frields wrote: > Awesome. I made a couple minor spelling and other trivial fixes > throughout. New version below: > > * * * > *The Sound of Fedora 11 - Audio Control with Lennart Poettering* > > Where would we be without sound? It's the most primitive of > communication methods, and yet it has spawned so much technology around > it. Whether you're a musician, a DJ, riding a bus to work, or even just > stuck in a cubicle listening to the radio somewhere, sound has become an > integral part of your daily experiences. When Fedora 11 lands, along with > it will land a number of enhancements to the sound subsystem, > including unified volume control, per stream and per device monitoring, > and proper Bluetooth audio support. I recently caught up with Lennart > Poettering, Red Hat Desktop Team Engineer and resident audio guru. > Here's what he had to say about the upcoming improvements and what the > future holds: > > *1. Please introduce yourself and give us a brief intro to how you > started working on the upcoming audio improvement in F11.* > > I am Lennart Poettering and have been working for Red Hat in the Desktop > Group for two years now this month. I live in Berlin, Germany. > > PA has been part of Fedora since F8. Since then we used to ship two > volume control appications: the GNOME volume control and a PA specific > tool (pavucontrol). The latter was mostly a showcase what can be done > with PA and I wrote it mostly as a demo, not because I thought it was > any good as an UI. > > Of course having these two volume control UIs in Fedora was a situation > that badly needed fixing. Especially since both UIs exposed too many > unnecessary options: the GNOME volume control exposed a lot of low-level > hardware-specific features that only a tiny minority of people actually > really understood, and the PA volume control exposed a lot of low-level > software features that a slightly larger minority of people only > actually really understood. > > Now during the last year we reached a point were the feature set of PA > for volume controls became very complete (with such things as arbitrary > meta data on every stream/device, per-stream and per-device monitoring, > hardware volume range extension, "flat" volumes and lots of other stuff) > and Jon McCan with help from Bastien Nocera finally took up the work to > fix the UI situation. > > They basically designed the new UI from scratch with input from > usability experts. It implements many of the features the old > pavucontrol tool did, but in a much nicer, streamlined way. Also it > integrates sound theme/event sound control with general audio > configuraton and volume control in a single UI tool. > > *2. Can you give us some background on the upcoming changes to the audio > subsystem in the Fedora 11 Release?* > > If you want to know more about the Volume Control, I'd just refer to the > Feature page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl > > We moved PA 0.9.15 into F11, a nice overview over the new features you > can find here: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-fifteen.html > > However that overview is a bit out-of-date. There are quite a few > additional features that went into 0.9.15, most prominently full > Bluetooth Audio support: Together with Bastien Nocera and the BlueZ guys > I worked to make Bluetooth audio easily accessible -- the bluetooth > applet now exposes an easy dialog that allows you to pair and activate a > bluetooth headset. After that is done it will automatically appear in > PulseAudio. If you need to reactivate it later, you can do that with a > simple click in the applet menu. It works surprisingly well. It even > works fine for lip-sync video. Which is kind of magic, given that > Bluetooth Audio doesn't actually offer any timing interfaces, so syncing > up audio with video is not really possible. I spent a lot of time to > make sure it does work nonetheless, and it seems to work on the majority > of headphones although I cannot say for sure if it does for all of them. > > *3. Where did the ideas to change all this stuff come from? Didn't audio > always work in Fedora?* > > Depends what you mean by 'work'. Sure, basic audio output worked. But in > many ways what we had on Linux was not comparable to what MacOS or > Windows supported. And it still isn't in many ways. However in other > ways we have now surpassed those competitors. > > A lot of the changes we introduced with PA are not directly visible to > the user. For example the so called 'glitch-free' logic in PA is very > important for a modern audio stack, however the normal user will never > notice it -- except maybe because when we introduced it initially a lot > of driver bugs got exposed that people were not aware of before because > that driver functionality (usually timing related) was not really > depended on by any application. In fact even now many of the older > drivers expose broken timing that makes usage with PA not as much fun as > it could be. > > A more detailed explanation of this 'glitch-free' logic you may find here: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html > > Both Windows Vista and MacOS X have similar g-f logic in their audio > stacks, however with PA we brought it to the next step. For example, we > implemented this logic in a zero-copy fashion and with arbitrary sample > types. This allows us to pass PCM data through our pipelines without > ever having to copy/convert it unless we really have to. > > So yes, as you might noticed I spend a lot of time to get low-level > internals right. And I like to speak about it, even though most people > are not aware of all those technical details and how awesome this all > is. ;-) That said, this stuff isn't perfect yet and could need more > improvements. > > But it's not all just in the low-level details. Also on higher levels we > got inspired by how our competitors do things. For example the new > "flat" volume logic was pioneered in Vista, and we have now adopted a > similar logic in PA. It's a great way to reduce the complexities of > volume control by 'merging' a few of the sliders in the pipeline. It > thus solves the "So which slider is now causing my volume to be too > low?" a bit. But also here, there's more work to be done. > > It's not all just getting inspired by our competitors. There are a lot > of genuinely new features in PA that none of them have (at least to my > knowledge). For example, in PA we have 'spatial' event sounds. I.e. if > an event sound sound is triggered by a mouse click/dialog at the left > side of the screen the sound is generated more from the left speakers, > and similar for the right side. This is of course mostly a toy. But I > think a useful one ;-) . > > Listing all the fancy features PA has would certainly be a bit too much > for your interview. So I'll leave it with this... ;-) > > Generally, we get inspiration from everywhere. And sure, as long as the > most basic music playback was enough for you audio did always work in > Fedora. But OTOH, when we started with the integration of all of these > new audio features into Fedora two years ago the audio stack was still > at a point of what was modern in the 90's. With the new features of the > new volume control and PA we are working on bringing Linux audio to what > is modern today. > > *4. Can you also give us a comparison of our new audio framework in > reference to other audio frameworks and audio subsystem models that are > out there?* > > There are many frameworks out there. On Free Software systems PA doesn't > really have any competitor. Some people think that JACK is one, but it > actually is not. JACK is clearly focussed on audio production and not > very useful on the desktop otherwise. For example, it is strictly > designed to provide very low-latency at the price of power consumption. > This is the right thing to do for audio production but not on the > general desktop. Logic like 'glitch-free' (see above) makes a lot of > sense for the usual desktop audio since it allows flexible adjusting of > the latency to what is needed. If used properly it can be used to > decrease the interrupt rate to 1/s, while still allowing instant > reaction to user input. Since most PCs these days are laptops theses > kind of power consumption related features are very important. > > One of the current weaker points of Audio on Linux is that we have this > clear seperation of JACK for audio production and PA for > desktop/embedded. Other operating systems have managed to make this a > bit smoother by having a single stack for both. This however actually > has both advantages and disadvantages. > > To improve the sitatuion f now we focussed on making PA and JACK > cooperate better. In F11 when JACK needs low-level access to an audio > device it will tell PA so and PA will comply and release the device. > This should make switching between the two sound systems easier though > of course this is no perfect solution. Given the lack of manpower > further integration is unlikely to happen anytime soon -- though both > the JACK guys and I seem not generally opposed to something like that. > > Now, if you compare our audio stacks with those of the big other > operating systems (Windows and MacOSX), then besides the fact that they > usually integrate desktop audio and audio production better than we do > (as mentioned) there are many things we are better in and many they are > better in. We certainly have more flexibility: i.e. depending on your > application you can access audio on a lot of different levels: you can > access ALSA directly if you need very low-level control, or via PA for > desktop level control. You have APIs like GStreamer for media streaming > and so on. > > This flexibility however translates to more complexity in many ways, and > a hodgepodge of API styles. (OTOH Apple's CoreAudio actually isn't as > streamlined as many MacOS proponents like us to think.) The > documentation for our APIs is usually much worse then theirs. We really > need some improvements in that area. Featurewise, PA usually has better > networking related features then those counterparts. But there's a lot > of features they have right now we lack. > > Other Unixes, such as FreeBSD and OpenSolaris are still stuck with OSS > (Open Sound System) audio. In F11 we finally switched OSS off by default > (though you can still reenable it via some minor hackery). OSS was the > predecessor of ALSA. Thankfully it is now fully obsolete on Linux. OSS > is mostly a design from the early nineties. It has received only minor > updating since then. It is no way comparable to what we now have on > Linux or even what MacOS or Windows provide. (Although is has some very > vocal fans which like to write me hate mails because I say things like this) > > *5. This work all started in earlier releases dating all the way to even > Fedora 8, if I am correct. How has all this stuff progressed and evolved > from then? What was done in previous releases that enabled building upon > for this release?* > > Fedora 8 was the first release where we integrated PA. In Fedora 9 we > stabilized PA support. In F10 we integrated the 'glitch-free' logic > which turned out to be quite a bumpy ride given that it exposed a lot of > timing related driver bugs. In F11 g-f has now been made more robust and > most of the more modern audio drivers should now be fixed. Also we have > now started to push PA support more into the UI, like with this new > volume control. > > *6. What are the plans for the future, if any, in this particular space > in the distro?* > > I am working on multiple things for F12. Firstly there will be a couple > of more low-level changes to PA. The core will be made more threaded. > Right now, we run most things in one 'main' thread and do low-level > audio I/O in one thread for each audio card. My plan for F12 is to split > that one 'main' thread up into as many threads as possible. THis should > make PA more robust for a couple of operations, and make latencies more > reliable. > > Then, I am working on considerably beefing up PA's usage of the > low-level hardware volume controls. For example, many cards have > seperate low-level volume sliders for "Speaker", "Master", "PCM" (and > more) that are in the line from the PCM data we stream to the speakers. > PA currently exposes only one of those sliders (usually "Master"). My > plan is to 'multiply' those sliders and create a single 'product' > virtual slider from them that has a better granularity and a larger > range. This rework will also introduce input/output switching and > probably more. > > What has already landed in PA's git repository is support for UPnP A/V. > When used in conjunction with Zeeshan Ali's Rygel UPnP MediaServer > implementation this allows streaming any application's audio to a any > UPnP MediaRenderer (including PS3/Xboxes and all those 'Internet Radio' > devices). This is actually pretty neat. Later on we hope to make PA a > MediaRenderer as as well as a MediaServer. This nicely compliments our > current Apple RAOP support. > > And there's a lot of other things planned. We'll see how much of that > will be ready for F12. I don't like to talk too much about upcoming > features and planned code if I don't have anything to show yet, so I'll > leave it at this. > > And then there's always a little project of mine that is called > 'libsydney' that is intended to be a portable, modern and friendly PCM > API. During the last months I focussed more on PA itself though. > > *7. Do you feel that work like this helps enhance the desktop experience > on Linux in general and strengthens the cause of the Linux Desktop, or > is it more all in day's work?* > > I think that PA is the way forward for audio on the Linux desktop. It > may have its deficiencies -- but everything has. We still have some way > to go, but I believe that a modern audio layer is really important for > the Linux Desktop to succeed. > > And no, it doesn't feel at all in a day's work. It always is a great > feeling to see how PA got incorporated into so many distributions and > how it is now used by so many people. I am pretty sure that only if you > hack on Linux software you get this in this ways. > > *8. Speaking of all in a days work, what are things do you usually work > on? What do you most enjoy doing outside of work.* > > RH basically hired me to help improving audio on Linux. So that's what I > am doing during work. > > Outside of work spend my time with photopgraphy. And I am trying my best > to travel to interesting places as much as I can and my time off allows. > > * * * > > From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed May 20 15:07:11 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:37:11 +1930 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0905200807y765d79ect3635cd3b8bb0c23a@mail.gmail.com> Yes!!! I'm on it! I have a good microphone and I think I can take some time on lunch for do that. Do I need to have some text? are free podcast? is a translation? ... :D But I have to be honest... I have voice of a squirrel :D 2009/5/20 Jack Aboutboul : > Does anyone on the list who speaks another language, fluently, such as > French, Spanish, German or any of the languages in India have any interest > in recording a podcast with a feature owner who can speak the same? ?Might > be good to have some audio in something other then english, what do you > think? > > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed May 20 15:40:38 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:10:38 +1930 Subject: Fedora 11 DVD artwork test and FLISOL material In-Reply-To: <4A141999.8020404@projetofedora.org> References: <4A141999.8020404@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <27a6293b0905200840n26333143u2ebc707f1549d816@mail.gmail.com> Excellent! 2009/5/21 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira : > Hello guys! > > I published today in my Blog[1] some pictures of the mktg material > produced for Brazilian FLISOL and Fedora 11 Label printing tests. > > Take a look at www.rodrigopadula.com > > -- > > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ > Fedora Community Manager - Latin America > Red Hat Community and Academy Relations > http://www.proyectofedora.org > http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula > http://www.rodrigopadula.com > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From felix at fetzig.org Wed May 20 19:09:59 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:09:59 +0200 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> Am 19.05.2009 22:34, schrieb Jack Aboutboul: > Does anyone on the list who speaks another language, fluently, such as > French, Spanish, German or any of the languages in India have any > interest in recording a podcast with a feature owner who can speak the > same? Might be good to have some audio in something other then english, > what do you think? I think that's a really good idea! I'd be interested in making some but unfortunately I'm on vacation for three weeks (including the release day of Fedora 11) and don't necessarily have a net connection. German Podcasts would be possible with the following persons: - Harald Hoyer (20SecondStartup) - Peter Hutterer (Evdev2.2, InputDeviceProperties, SynapticsUpdate) - Phil Knirsch (PowerManagement) - Lennart Poettering (VolumeControl) Henrik Heigl is doing the FWN in German for a German Linux Radio Project. Maybe he is interested in doing interviews with those persons. Felix From gerold at lugd.org Wed May 20 19:37:15 2009 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:37:15 +0200 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> > Henrik Heigl is doing the FWN in German for a German Linux Radio > Project. Maybe he is interested in doing interviews with those persons. > > Felix ^^ To be honest, and also Henrik know, there were several people who are interested in translating the FWN in German and have that talk in the German Linux Radio; ... If somebody needs German Speaker for an interview we have in the German Community more that one person who is able to talk ... Regards -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From felix at fetzig.org Wed May 20 19:54:45 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:54:45 +0200 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Message-ID: <4A146005.7010404@fetzig.org> Am 20.05.2009 21:37, schrieb Gerold Kassube: >> Henrik Heigl is doing the FWN in German for a German Linux Radio >> Project. Maybe he is interested in doing interviews with those persons. >> >> Felix > ^^ > To be honest, and also Henrik know, there were several people who are > interested in translating the FWN in German and have that talk in the > German Linux Radio; ... > If somebody needs German Speaker for an interview we have in the German > Community more that one person who is able to talk ... Sure. I am aware of that but I just gave a hint in a direction because I already heard some of Hendrik's works and thought it could be highly likely that he wants to do these podcasts. Of course it would be great if other people from the German community would step up and do something like this. Felix From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Thu May 21 00:00:19 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 02:00:19 +0200 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <4A146005.7010404@fetzig.org> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4A146005.7010404@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <4A149993.9@gmx.de> Hy, >>> Henrik Heigl is doing the FWN in German for a German Linux Radio >>> Project. Maybe he is interested in doing interviews with those persons. >>> >>> Felix >> ^^ >> To be honest, and also Henrik know, there were several people who are >> interested in translating the FWN in German and have that talk in the >> German Linux Radio; ... >> If somebody needs German Speaker for an interview we have in the German >> Community more that one person who is able to talk ... > > Sure. I am aware of that but I just gave a hint in a direction because > I already heard some of Hendrik's works and thought it could be highly > likely that he wants to do these podcasts. > Of course it would be great if other people from the German community > would step up and do something like this. Hy, thanks both of you. I also agree with both and thats why I not answered so far to this. I do the FWN in german, because I was asked to and nobody else stepped in (maybe they know that it is a time-eating job if you are not an Translation Expert and you work under a littel bit of pressure, because the FWN come out monday and the RadioTux show is in thursday). I can also do some more Interviews for podcasts but I would prefer if there are some other/more people who are interrested and could step into this. If not maybe I can make some of those for the Linuxtag RadioTux shows or produce some with others at the Linuxtag itself (I can bring some stuff for that if needed). But until that I prefer to wait if others step in. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org P.S.: Just a short reminder that there is also a request for a jingle https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_FWN_and_FUDCOn_Jingle_.28music.29 (and, yes, I also _can_ do it, but i think and hope that there are much more experienced musicians around and we could use that jingle also for podcasts and stuff...) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 21 08:20:52 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:50:52 +0530 Subject: LXDE is now a Transifex user Message-ID: <4A150EE4.5060709@fedoraproject.org> Hi, LXDE project has announced that it will start using Transifex http://blog.lxde.org/?p=336 Another blog post at http://techie-news.com/?p=2473 Transifex, a L10N framework originally developed as a Google SoC project under Fedora has been in use by Fedora Project for quite sometime. Now with a company behind it (http://www.indifex.com/) and the originally developers working full time on it, it's great to see another Free software projet adopting it. Rahul From oisinfeeley at imapmail.org Thu May 21 13:23:58 2009 From: oisinfeeley at imapmail.org (Oisin Feeley) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:23:58 -0400 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <4A149993.9@gmx.de> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4A146005.7010404@fetzig.org> <4A149993.9@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1242912238.26970.1316580007@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 21 May 2009 02:00:19 +0200, "wonderer" said: > I do the FWN in german, because I was asked to and nobody else stepped > in (maybe they know that it is a time-eating job if you are not an > Translation Expert and you work under a littel bit of pressure, because > the FWN come out monday and the RadioTux show is in thursday). Hi Henrik, I had no idea you were doing this until I saw this post. Would you mind if we put a link to your work on the FWN wikipage? Best wishes, -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Thu May 21 13:42:38 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:42:38 +0200 Subject: Non English Podcast? In-Reply-To: <1242912238.26970.1316580007@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4A1317F0.3040007@redhat.com> <4A145587.4040906@fetzig.org> <1242848235.3216.2.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4A146005.7010404@fetzig.org> <4A149993.9@gmx.de> <1242912238.26970.1316580007@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4A155A4E.4010305@gmx.de> Hy, >> I do the FWN in german, because I was asked to and nobody else stepped >> in (maybe they know that it is a time-eating job if you are not an >> Translation Expert and you work under a littel bit of pressure, because >> the FWN come out monday and the RadioTux show is in thursday). >> > > Hi Henrik, > > I had no idea you were doing this until I saw this post. Would you mind > if we put a link to your work on the FWN wikipage? > I do this since the last 3-4 FWNs and have postet this on the german list. At this moment I "parked" those at http://wonderer.fedorapeople.org/ and try to put them on the wiki (time will tell when I'm done with that ... :-) ). Feel free to link to it. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 21 14:34:26 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:26 -0400 Subject: The Sound of Fedora 11 - An Interview on Fedora 11's enhanced Audio Control with Lennart Poettering Message-ID: <4A156672.6030908@redhat.com> An Interview on Fedora 11's enhanced Audio Control with Lennart Poettering Where would we be without sound? It's the most primitive of communication methods, and yet it has spawned so much technology around it. Whether you're a musician, a DJ, riding a bus to work, or even just stuck in a cubicle listening to the radio somewhere, sound has become an integral part of your daily experiences. When Fedora 11 lands, along with it will land a number of enhancements to the sound subsystem, including unified volume control, per stream and per device monitoring, and proper Bluetooth audio support. I recently caught up with Lennart Poettering, Red Hat Desktop Team Engineer and resident audio guru. Here's what he had to say about the upcoming improvements and what the future holds: *1. Please introduce yourself and give us a brief intro to how you started working on the upcoming audio improvement in F11.* I am Lennart Poettering and have been working for Red Hat in the Desktop Group for two years now this month. I live in Berlin, Germany. PA has been part of Fedora since F8. Since then we used to ship two volume control appications: the GNOME volume control and a PA (Pulse Audio) specific tool (pavucontrol). The latter was mostly a showcase what can be done with PA and I wrote it mostly as a demo, not because I thought it was any good as an UI. Of course having these two volume control UIs in Fedora was a situation that badly needed fixing. Especially since both UIs exposed too many unnecessary options: the GNOME volume control exposed a lot of low-level hardware-specific features that only a tiny minority of people actually really understood, and the PA volume control exposed a lot of low-level software features that a slightly larger minority of people only actually really understood. Now during the last year we reached a point were the feature set of PA for volume controls became very complete (with such things as arbitrary meta data on every stream/device, per-stream and per-device monitoring, hardware volume range extension, "flat" volumes and lots of other stuff) and Jon McCan with help from Bastien Nocera finally took up the work to fix the UI situation. They basically designed the new UI from scratch with input from usability experts. It implements many of the features the old pavucontrol tool did, but in a much nicer, streamlined way. Also it integrates sound theme/event sound control with general audio configuraton and volume control in a single UI tool. *2. Can you give us some background on the upcoming changes to the audio subsystem in the Fedora 11 Release?* If you want to know more about the Volume Control, I'd just refer to the Feature page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl We moved PA 0.9.15 into F11, a nice overview over the new features you can find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/oh-nine-fifteen.html However that overview is a bit out-of-date. There are quite a few additional features that went into 0.9.15, most prominently full Bluetooth Audio support: Together with Bastien Nocera and the BlueZ guys I worked to make Bluetooth audio easily accessible -- the bluetooth applet now exposes an easy dialog that allows you to pair and activate a bluetooth headset. After that is done it will automatically appear in PulseAudio. If you need to reactivate it later, you can do that with a simple click in the applet menu. It works surprisingly well. It even works fine for lip-sync video. Which is kind of magic, given that Bluetooth Audio doesn't actually offer any timing interfaces, so syncing up audio with video is not really possible. I spent a lot of time to make sure it does work nonetheless, and it seems to work on the majority of headphones although I cannot say for sure if it does for all of them. *3. Where did the ideas to change all this stuff come from? Didn't audio always work in Fedora?* Depends what you mean by 'work'. Sure, basic audio output worked. But in many ways what we had on Linux was not comparable to what MacOS or Windows supported. And it still isn't in many ways. However in other ways we have now surpassed those competitors. A lot of the changes we introduced with PA are not directly visible to the user. For example the so called 'glitch-free' logic in PA is very important for a modern audio stack, however the normal user will never notice it -- except maybe because when we introduced it initially a lot of driver bugs got exposed that people were not aware of before because that driver functionality (usually timing related) was not really depended on by any application. In fact even now many of the older drivers expose broken timing that makes usage with PA not as much fun as it could be. A more detailed explanation of this 'glitch-free' logic you may find here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html Both Windows Vista and MacOS X have similar g-f logic in their audio stacks, however with PA we brought it to the next step. For example, we implemented this logic in a zero-copy fashion and with arbitrary sample types. This allows us to pass PCM data through our pipelines without ever having to copy/convert it unless we really have to. So yes, as you might have noticed I spend a lot of time to get low-level internals right. And I like to speak about it, even though most people are not aware of all those technical details and how awesome this all is. ;-) That said, this stuff isn't perfect yet and could need more improvements. But it's not all just in the low-level details. Also on higher levels we got inspired by how our competitors do things. For example the new "flat" volume logic was pioneered in Vista, and we have now adopted a similar logic in PA. It's a great way to reduce the complexities of volume control by 'merging' a few of the sliders in the pipeline. It thus solves the "So which slider is now causing my volume to be too low?" a bit. But also here, there's more work to be done. It's not all just getting inspired by our competitors. There are a lot of genuinely new features in PA that none of them have (at least to my knowledge). For example, in PA we have 'spatial' event sounds. I.e. if an event sound sound is triggered by a mouse click/dialog at the left side of the screen the sound is generated more from the left speakers, and similar for the right side. This is of course mostly a toy. But I think a useful one ;-) . Listing all the fancy features PA has would certainly be a bit too much for this interview. So I'll leave it with this... ;-) Generally, we get inspiration from everywhere. And sure, as long as the most basic music playback was enough for you audio did always work in Fedora. But OTOH, when we started with the integration of all of these new audio features into Fedora two years ago the audio stack was still at a point of what was modern in the 90's. With the new features of the new volume control and PA we are working on bringing Linux audio to what is modern today. *4. Can you also give us a comparison of our new audio framework in reference to other audio frameworks and audio subsystem models that are out there?* There are many frameworks out there. On Free Software systems PA doesn't really have any competitor. Some people think that JACK is one, but it actually is not. JACK is clearly focussed on audio production and not very useful on the desktop otherwise. For example, it is strictly designed to provide very low-latency at the price of power consumption. This is the right thing to do for audio production but not on the general desktop. Logic like 'glitch-free' (see above) makes a lot of sense for the usual desktop audio since it allows flexible adjusting of the latency to what is needed. If used properly it can be used to decrease the interrupt rate to 1/s, while still allowing instant reaction to user input. Since most PCs these days are laptops theses kind of power consumption related features are very important. One of the current weaker points of Audio on Linux is that we have this clear separation of JACK for audio production and PA for desktop/embedded. Other operating systems have managed to make this a bit smoother by having a single stack for both. This however actually has both advantages and disadvantages. To improve the situation for now we focussed on making PA and JACK cooperate better. In F11 when JACK needs low-level access to an audio device it will tell PA so and PA will comply and release the device. This should make switching between the two sound systems easier though of course this is no perfect solution. Given the lack of manpower further integration is unlikely to happen anytime soon -- though both the JACK guys and I seem not generally opposed to something like that. Now, if you compare our audio stacks with those of the big other operating systems (Windows and MacOSX), then besides the fact that they usually integrate desktop audio and audio production better than we do (as mentioned) there are many things we are better in and many they are better in. We certainly have more flexibility: i.e. depending on your application you can access audio on a lot of different levels: you can access ALSA directly if you need very low-level control, or via PA for desktop level control. You have APIs like GStreamer for media streaming and so on. This flexibility however translates to more complexity in many ways, and a hodgepodge of API styles. (OTOH Apple's CoreAudio actually isn't as streamlined as many MacOS proponents like us to think.) The documentation for our APIs is usually much worse then theirs. We really need some improvements in that area. Featurewise, PA usually has better networking related features then those counterparts. But there's a lot of features they have right now we lack. Other Unixes, such as FreeBSD and OpenSolaris are still stuck with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In F11 we finally switched OSS off by default (though you can still reenable it via some minor hackery). OSS was the predecessor of ALSA. Thankfully it is now fully obsolete on Linux. OSS is mostly a design from the early nineties. It has received only minor updating since then. It is no way comparable to what we now have on Linux or even what MacOS or Windows provide. (Although is has some very vocal fans which like to write me hate mails because I say things like this) *5. This work all started in earlier releases dating all the way to even Fedora 8, if I am correct. How has all this stuff progressed and evolved from then? What was done in previous releases that enabled building upon for this release?* Fedora 8 was the first release where we integrated PA. In Fedora 9 we stabilized PA support. In F10 we integrated the 'glitch-free' logic which turned out to be quite a bumpy ride given that it exposed a lot of timing related driver bugs. In F11 g-f has now been made more robust and most of the more modern audio drivers should now be fixed. Also we have now started to push PA support more into the UI, like with this new volume control. *6. What are the plans for the future, if any, in this particular space in the distro?* I am working on multiple things for F12. Firstly there will be a couple of more low-level changes to PA. The core will be made more threaded. Right now, we run most things in one 'main' thread and do low-level audio I/O in one thread for each audio card. My plan for F12 is to split that one 'main' thread up into as many threads as possible. This should make PA more robust for a couple of operations, and make latencies more reliable. Then, I am working on considerably beefing up PA's usage of the low-level hardware volume controls. For example, many cards have seperate low-level volume sliders for "Speaker", "Master", "PCM" (and more) that are in the line from the PCM data we stream to the speakers. PA currently exposes only one of those sliders (usually "Master"). My plan is to 'multiply' those sliders and create a single 'product' virtual slider from them that has a better granularity and a larger range. This rework will also introduce input/output switching and probably more. What has already landed in PA's git repository is support for UPnP A/V. When used in conjunction with Zeeshan Ali's Rygel UPnP MediaServer implementation this allows streaming any application's audio to a any UPnP MediaRenderer (including PS3/Xboxes and all those 'Internet Radio' devices). This is actually pretty neat. Later on we hope to make PA a Media Renderer as as well as a MediaServer. This nicely compliments our current Apple RAOP support. And there's a lot of other things planned. We'll see how much of that will be ready for F12. I don't like to talk too much about upcoming features and planned code if I don't have anything to show yet, so I'll leave it at this. And then there's always a little project of mine that is called 'libsydney' that is intended to be a portable, modern and friendly PCM API. During the last months I focussed more on PA itself though. *7. Do you feel that work like this helps enhance the desktop experience on Linux in general and strengthens the cause of the Linux Desktop, or is it more all in day's work?* I think that PA is the way forward for audio on the Linux desktop. It may have its deficiencies -- but everything has. We still have some way to go, but I believe that a modern audio layer is really important for the Linux Desktop to succeed. And no, it doesn't feel at all in a day's work. It always is a great feeling to see how PA got incorporated into so many distributions and how it is now used by so many people. I am pretty sure that only if you hack on Linux software you get this in this ways. *8. Speaking of all in a days work, what are things do you usually work on? What do you most enjoy doing outside of work.* Red Hat basically hired me to help improving audio on Linux. So that's what I am doing during work. Outside of work spend my time with photopgraphy. And I am trying my best to travel to interesting places as much as I can and my time off allows. Thank you Lennart for an excellent interview, ideas and insight. We look forward to hearing more from you. Get it--hearing more, he works on sound, okay I give up. From zaid at zaidnet.co.cc Fri May 22 05:02:06 2009 From: zaid at zaidnet.co.cc (Zaid Chauhan) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:32:06 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: ZAID CHAUHAN Message-ID: <64d380110905212202r4de8c0es4d6b9f42ce5caef1@mail.gmail.com> - ZAID I. 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Frields) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:54:04 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] The Sound of Fedora 11 - An Interview on Fedora 11's enhanced Audio Control with Lennart Poettering In-Reply-To: <4A156672.6030908@redhat.com> References: <4A156672.6030908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090522115404.GE3799@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:34:26AM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > An Interview on Fedora 11's enhanced Audio Control with Lennart Poettering [...snip...] Please Digg it up! http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Sound_of_Fedora_11 -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sri.kmb at gmail.com Fri May 22 17:27:33 2009 From: sri.kmb at gmail.com (Sri Ram) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 22:57:33 +0530 Subject: F11 Release Announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I am ready to do that. Please tell what i have to do... On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement. The > Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to > open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing > team as well. If you are interested in helping out, please surf on > over to the wiki and put your ideas down. 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As a proof of concept, I hacked up a simple GTK application to run images them under QEMU. At around the same time Daniel Veillard had started the libvirt project and there was a desire for a desktop application to manage Xen using libvirt. So I switched over to the virtualization team, wrote virt-manager for Fedora 6, and my involvement in all areas of open source virtualization grew from there. *2. Many people view the work being done on virtualization as a feature set of major importance and significance. Can you give us a brief overview of some of the changes that we can expect to see in F11? * The open source virtualization development effort is so large now, that it is useful to discuss each stream in turn. At the lowest layer is obviously the Linux kernel & KVM/QEMU. There has been a major acceleration of development in QEMU and push to merge KVM into the official QEMU source repository. There's ever continuing work on performance, stability, scalability & reliability in KVM. PCI device passthrough is one new feature we're highlighting for Fedora 11. The return of Xen Dom0 was not to be, as the Dom0 paravirt_ops merge with the upstream Linux kernel is still an ongoing process. At the middle layer is libvirt, providing a consistent management API across different virtualization technologies. New features in libvirt, since F10, include PCI device passthrough for Xen and KVM, the sVirt security driver using SELinux to protect KVM guests from each other, thread safety of all libvirt APIs, improved scalability, reliability and debugging for the libvirtd daemon and support for SCSI HBAs and copy-on-write volumes in the storage management APIs. The top layer covers end user tools such as virt-install & virt-manager. virt-manager is undergoing a significant (and ongoing) overhaul of its user interface. The first improvements arriving for Fedora 11 are in the guest installation process and storage management capabilities. As guest installation is first task most users try, ensuring this is simple and reliable is key to making a good first impression. Guest desktop interaction is another historical pain point which has been a focus for improvements in Fedora 11. With every release we also try to make a significant step forward in security of the virtualization stack. In Fedora 11 the focus has been on SELinux to protect guests from each other and SASL to authenticate VNC users. *3. There have been some large changes in virt-manager and libvirt, which are at the core of the user experience when it comes to virtualization. Can you talk to use about those some more?* The guest installation process and desktop interaction are the most critical areas for making a good first impression. In the virt-manager re-design the wizard used for installing new guests has been streamlined, cutting out three redundant steps. Where possible, it will automatically detect the type of operating system being installed and choose the best configuration options to optimize for this OS, no longer requiring the user to figure this out for themselves. The installation process now directly utilizes the libvirt storage management APIs to allow easy creation of files in a variety of formats (raw, qcow2, vmdk, etc), allocation of new local disk partitions or LVM volumes and access to LUNs exported by iSCSI targets. This is particularly useful when remotely managing virtualization hosts, allowing regular administrator tasks to be performed from the virt-manager UI without resorting to command line SSH sessions. The mouse pointer has been a constant source of trouble for virtualization management applications. Getting the guest mouse pointer to track the host pointer is essentially impossible with the standard emulated PS/2 mouse. The solution is to provide a pointer device that supports absolute motion events, instead of relative events that the PS/2 mouse provides. For KVM and Xen, this means adding a USB tablet device, but historically Xorg has not been able to automatically configure this correctly. This is resolved with Fedora 11 guests, finally providing a guest pointer that moves in perfect sync with the host, not requiring the pointer to be confined to the guest window. Users with non-US layout keyboards have also had a hard time getting their guests to support input of accented/special characters. The VNC protocol has now been extended to allow the hardware keycodes to be passed directly from the VNC client to the guest OS without any intermediate translation step. This should allow the guest OS complete control over the keyboard layout mapping, without a need for any special settings on the host. The final piece of work was to increase the guest desktop resolution. The real Cirrus video card that QEMU emulates would never have done more than 800x600, but there are tricks that can be done in a virtual world. Thus a simple change to the Xorg cirrus driver allows it to detect that it is using a Cirrus card emulated by QEMU and increase the guest desktop resolution to 1024x768. Still not great by today's standards, but better than before. Longer term plans involve replacing the cirrus driver in QEMU with something more virtualization friendly. *4. Also, as people should take note of, there has been a lot of work done surrounding KVM and getting that well integrated into the whole virtualization setup in Fedora. How has that work been going and has anything significant been done in that area in this release?* Fedora was the first major Linux distribution to integrate KVM back in the Fedora 7 release. It became the default virtualization technology in Fedora 9, when it became clear we could no longer maintain the separate Xen host kernel until it was merged in the upstream Linux kernel. The great benefit of KVM from an distro integration point of view, is that it is there by default in all new Linux kernels. All that was required in Fedora was to turn on the module build and make sure the modules are always loaded when compatible CPUs are found. libvirt and virt-manager have also both supported KVM since it was first added to Fedora. Thus there hasn't been a need for much additional integration work for KVM. The focus has simply been on improving features available to KVM users via libvirt and virt-manager. * 5. Glauber Costa has also done significant work merging KVM and QEMU. Can you explain to us what QEMU is and why the choice was made to merge it with QEMU and how that is of benefit to the user base?* Earlier Fedora releases have have suffered from the divergence of QEMU and KVM code bases. Upstream QEMU has had releases almost 1 year apart, while KVM has been releasing at least once a month, if not more, using snapshots of the QEMU source repository. Thus the features available in QEMU were far behind those available in KVM even though they both shared the same fundamental code base and upstream development stream. It also doubled the work package maintainers had todo for security & bug fixes. Since Fedora 10 though, the upstream QEMU community has accelerated its release schedule significantly and many of the KVM features have been merged back into the main QEMU code base. Thus we judged that the time was right to attempt to ship a single package containing both QEMU and KVM built from a single code base. For users this means that parity of features between QEMU and KVM, while the reduced burden on our Fedora package maintainers, ensures more timely security and bug fixes. Glauber also took the opportunity to split out all the virtual BIOS files and ROMs from QEMU into separate packages and ensure all are fully built from source using appropriate upstream source releases. *6. Virtualization and Security are two things that are being discussed more or less hand in hand these days, as the ability to create and use virtualized machines expands there are many security risks involved. Can you speak a bit to the work that was done one improving security both at the kernel level (sVirt) and also the user level with things like SASL for VNC Auth?* In each Fedora release we try to make at least one significant step forward in the security of our virtualization technology. In Fedora 8, libvirt gained support for secure remote management using TLS for encryption and x509 client certificates for authentication, while GTK-VNC, QEMU, KVM and Xen were also all extended to add a VNC extension for TLS encryption providing a secure remote desktop. In Fedora 9 libvirt was further extended to support SASL enabling secure remote managment with Kerberos for authentication and PolicyKit for local desktop authentication. Fedora 9 and 10 also increased use of SELinux to protect the host operating system from a compromised or malicious QEMU/KVM process. The latter still did not provide any protection between guests, so one compromised QEMU process would still potentially be able to compromise another on the same host. Thus James Morris started work on a project known as sVirt, the first results of which are appearing in Fedora 11. The focus has been to provide isolation between guests running on a single host. libvirt directly integrates with SELinux to ensure every QEMU process it launches runs within a dedicated security context, only able to access its own assigned disk images. This protection is enabled by default on all Fedora 11 hosts using libvirt for management. As well as the security benefits, the end user experiance is improved because libvirt will automatically manage SELinux labelling for all guest disks, eliminating a major source of bug reports from previous Fedora releases. *7. These features have all evolved over time and over the previous Fedora releases and Fedora, as a distribution, has always been a leader in the virtualization realm. Can you talk a bit now about the actual process of developing these features and how many of the improvements and enhancements to virtualization have come about as a direct result of the work done previously? Also, what does the future look like?* Virtualization technology in Fedora is reaping the benefit of very active upstream projects and the significant developer resources of Red Hat's Virtualization Engineering team. The combination of these provide great opportunities for new features to have their debut in Fedora releases. The ideas for new features come from many sources, some from Fedora end-user experiances & consequent bug reports, some magically arrive on cue from upstream projects, while others are things that look to be important for future RHEL releases. With the PCI device passthrough feature in F11, the core support was all already done by the upstream KVM community. This is a important feature for future RHEL, so Red Hat put resources into a F11 feature to add support to libvirt for PCI passthrough with KVM and Xen and then expose this in virt-manager. The feature aiming to improve the guest desktop interaction was a result of the persistent stream of bug reports from Fedora users. We had been considering ways to address this over course of several Fedora releases, but it was not until Fedora 11 that all the pieces of the solution finally came together from the various upstream projects. The security improvements in virtualization have a different origin. Very few end users ever file explicit bug reports asking for the addition of more authentication / encryption features or to use more SELinux. If anything users ask for ability to more easily turn off existing security features. This is a case where the user is not always right. They do want more security, but they just don't know it yet! As a developer it is neccessary to be very proactive with security improvements. This can be particularly challenging work because the solutions often involve working across multiple upstream communities. Take the VNC SASL authentication feature in Fedora 11 as an example. The first step was to write a specification for a new VNC security extension, have it reviewed & get a code for it allocated by RealVNC. Work on QEMU was required to implement the server side. Work on GTK-VNC was needed for client side. For management tools, work on libvirt was required to get the new security type enabled for guests it launches and finally virt-manager was extended such that it knows how to login. That's give different projects involved for one feature. This is only practical by having a close working relationship with all the upstream communities and carefully coordinating the work there so it all arrives in time for the next Fedora release. For the future we're happy that libvirt gained support for managing VirtualBox recently and likely to soon have a driver for the Open Nebular cloud management project. Expect more advancements in sVirt, allowing for tighter controls on what a virtual machine can do, for example, ability to restrict network access of guests. libvirt will also gain the ability to manage host network configuration in Fedora 12, removing the need to manually configure bridge devices. Container based virt may make a more formal appearance in Fedora 12 as the native Linux container (LXC) support improves in the kernel and libvirt. The overhaul of the virt-manager user interface also continues. *8. Working on Virtualization must be awfully time consuming and very involved. Do you enjoy it? What do you do to get away from the pressures of hacking?* Working on open source virtualization technology is a great experiance because it is a really interesting & challenging field, having plenty of talented developers to work with & learn from. There is plenty of work still to be done at all levels of the stack from kernel/hypervisor right through to end user applications & not nearly enough time todo it all. I'm fortunate to be able to spread my work between upstream projects, the Fedora community and RHEL releases and maintainence. As for free time ? What free time :-) I try to find time for a photography, with 4 out of my 5 cameras still using film, rather than digital. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 23 00:34:19 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 06:04:19 +0530 Subject: Myths Message-ID: <4A17448B.8020209@fedoraproject.org> Hi https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths This one hasn't been updated in a long time. If someone interested could go through this and review the content, update it as necessary, it would serve as a more useful page. Rahul From frankly3d at gmail.com Sat May 23 08:04:03 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:04:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard Message-ID: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3428 "Firewalls need to be simple and firewalls need to be complex?.yes, this is a dilemma of huge consequence. However, Fedora has accomplished both in one firewall." Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible From stickster at gmail.com Sat May 23 15:30:27 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:30:27 -0400 Subject: Myths In-Reply-To: <4A17448B.8020209@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A17448B.8020209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090523153027.GC19994@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 06:04:19AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths > > This one hasn't been updated in a long time. If someone interested could > go through this and review the content, update it as necessary, it would > serve as a more useful page. I'm working on that one right now. Also, this page could stand some love too: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Frequently_Asked_Questions If you or anyone else find pages that are in need of revision, please mark them at the top with {{Needs love}}. This includes the template that puts them in a list of pages needing maintenance: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From samavedam.vijay at ymail.com Sun May 24 00:45:41 2009 From: samavedam.vijay at ymail.com (Samavedam Vijayasaradhi) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Myths In-Reply-To: <20090523153027.GC19994@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A17448B.8020209@fedoraproject.org> <20090523153027.GC19994@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <221490.42278.qm@web59710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I added some info in the software regarding third party plugins ________________________________ From: Paul W. Frields To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:00:27 PM Subject: Re: Myths On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 06:04:19AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths > > This one hasn't been updated in a long time. If someone interested could > go through this and review the content, update it as necessary, it would > serve as a more useful page. I'm working on that one right now. Also, this page could stand some love too: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Frequently_Asked_Questions If you or anyone else find pages that are in need of revision, please mark them at the top with {{Needs love}}. This includes the template that puts them in a list of pages needing maintenance: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love -- Paul W. 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Rahul From aveeksn at gmail.com Sun May 24 20:21:59 2009 From: aveeksn at gmail.com (Aveek Sen) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:51:59 +0530 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <20090524160008.334AF61956C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090524160008.334AF61956C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi!, . It would be nice if > > someone more in the know than myself, could review the list and perhap > > cull the old entries and add some newer books. > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Helping_Yourself > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books > > Anyone volunteering? > > Rahul > Do the books need cater to Fedora alone or even programming guides like " Byte of python" (http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python) & such free e-book downloads? Thanks, Aveek Sen, First year student of Electronics & Communication Engineering, Fedora Ambassador, NIT Agartala, India. aveeksn at gmail.com aveeksen at fedoraproject.org aveek at hotmail.com Our GLUG-http://groups.google.co.in/group/nitalug My blog-http://aveek.wordpress.com/ My Fedora wiki page- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Aveeksen The Fedora events listing of our Linux fest- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents The Fedora Release Events listing of our Linux fest- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseEvents & https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Mon May 25 01:19:03 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:19:03 -0300 Subject: Fedora Brasil Magazine - 5th Edition Message-ID: <4A19F207.7090401@projetofedora.org> ============== Fedora Brasil Magazine - 5th Edition =================== It?s an absolute pleasure for Projeto Fedora Brasil (Brazilian Fedora Project) to announce that the 5th edition of our magazine is available for download. In this number, we?ve made a special approach to Office Suite BrOffice.org and have been presented with a special editorial written by Gustavo Pacheco, charter member of BrOffice.org. We would also like to introduce the series BrOffice.org for advanced users. For those who want to know all its potential, it?s time to start your collection. As usual, we?ve chosen a very interesting game: Secret Maryo Chronicles is a pretty special remake of a classic game that everyone knows, it will certainly please even the most demanding players. Neither GNOME nor KDE, we invite you to know Enlightenment, which promises to turn your desktop into a work of art, and we also talked to Professor Gregory Kriehn, of the Engineering Department, at California State University ? and the father of the repository of Enlightenment for Fedora. Igor Soares analyses, in a clarifying way, the complex situation of closed drivers in the Linux world, the lessons on Shell Script have finally moved from the introductory phase, and now the person in charge is Fabiano Caixeta Duarte. Is anything missing? How about our first comic strips? Download from: http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista Email Translator: Renata Ribeiro Guimar?es -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com From steven.moix at axianet.ch Mon May 25 09:09:12 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:09:12 +0200 Subject: Fedora Brasil Magazine - 5th Edition In-Reply-To: <4A19F207.7090401@projetofedora.org> References: <4A19F207.7090401@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4A1A6038.3050307@axianet.ch> Hi, This magazine is fantastic, I forwarded it to the French team so we can steal some content for our magazine (called Muffin) maybe ;) Steven On 05/25/2009 03:19 AM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > ============== Fedora Brasil Magazine - 5th Edition =================== > > It?s an absolute pleasure for Projeto Fedora Brasil (Brazilian Fedora > Project) to announce that the 5th edition of our magazine is available > for download. > In this number, we?ve made a special approach to Office Suite > BrOffice.org and have been presented with a special editorial written by > Gustavo Pacheco, charter member of BrOffice.org. We would also like to > introduce the series BrOffice.org for advanced users. For those who want > to know all its potential, it?s time to start your collection. > As usual, we?ve chosen a very interesting game: Secret Maryo Chronicles > is a pretty special remake of a classic game that everyone knows, it > will certainly please even the most demanding players. > Neither GNOME nor KDE, we invite you to know Enlightenment, which > promises to turn your desktop into a work of art, and we also talked to > Professor Gregory Kriehn, of the Engineering Department, at California > State University ? and the father of the repository of Enlightenment for > Fedora. > Igor Soares analyses, in a clarifying way, the complex situation of > closed drivers in the Linux world, the lessons on Shell Script have > finally moved from the introductory phase, and now the person in charge > is Fabiano Caixeta Duarte. > Is anything missing? How about our first comic strips? > > Download from: http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista > > Email Translator: Renata Ribeiro Guimar?es > From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon May 25 23:33:40 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:33:40 +0200 Subject: FUDCon and Linked-In Message-ID: <4A1B2AD4.409@kanarip.com> I thought I'd try something new (or at least something I hadn't seen before): For those of you on Linked-In, please consider expressing your interest in FUDCon 2009, or let your network know that you are attending: http://events.linkedin.com/FUDCon-EMEA-2009/pub/75904 Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From eric at christensenplace.us Tue May 26 01:43:14 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:43:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard In-Reply-To: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> References: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:04, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: > http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3428 > > "Firewalls need to be simple and firewalls need to be complex?.yes, this is > a dilemma of huge consequence. ?However, Fedora has accomplished both in one > firewall." > > > Frank Frank, Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend? Eric From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 26 01:55:15 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:25:15 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard In-Reply-To: References: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1B4C03.6010009@fedoraproject.org> On 05/26/2009 07:13 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:04, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) > wrote: >> http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3428 >> >> "Firewalls need to be simple and firewalls need to be complex?.yes, this is >> a dilemma of huge consequence. However, Fedora has accomplished both in one >> firewall." >> >> >> Frank > > Frank, > Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend? Yes but iptables on the command line is completely out of reach for desktop users. iptables and usability have nothing in common. Rahul From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue May 26 07:56:17 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:56:17 +0100 Subject: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard In-Reply-To: <4A1B4C03.6010009@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> <4A1B4C03.6010009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4A1BA0A1.6050500@gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Frank, >> Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend? > > Yes but iptables on the command line is completely out of reach for > desktop users. iptables and usability have nothing in common. > > Rahul > and Usability is a feature. Frank From eric at christensenplace.us Tue May 26 11:45:01 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:45:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard In-Reply-To: <4A1BA0A1.6050500@gmail.com> References: <4A17ADF3.8060203@gmail.com> <4A1B4C03.6010009@fedoraproject.org> <4A1BA0A1.6050500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:56, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>> Frank, >>> Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend? >> >> Yes but iptables on the command line is completely out of reach for >> desktop users. ?iptables and usability have nothing in common. >> >> Rahul >> > > and Usability is a feature. > > Frank Absolutely. The way it reads, it would appear that Fedora has created a new firewall when in fact we have just made the existing firewall more user friendly and easier to maintain. It's an important distinction. If people think we are doing something different on the back-end then they want to know what it is and if it's secure and tested. I think Fedora gets more points for providing better functionality to an existing product. Eric From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 26 13:41:37 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:41:37 -0400 Subject: Meeting Today 2009.05.26 @ 20.00UTC Message-ID: <4A1BF191.4080707@redhat.com> Hey All, We will be having out regularly scheduled marketing meeting today, May 26th 2009 at 20.00 UTC. That's 4 Eastern, 1 Pacific. The meeting will be taking place in #fedora-meeting. On the agenda is the things we need to have done for release day next week and their status, things to do on release day and post-release day discussion. See you all there, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue May 26 15:03:49 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 =?utf-8?b?4oCcTGVvbmlkYXPigJ0gaXMgQWxtb3N0IFJlYWR5IHRv?= =?utf-8?q?_Kick_Ass!_?= Message-ID: <4A1C04D5.2060201@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.junauza.com/2009/05/fedora-11-leonidas-is-almost-ready-to.html "A few more days from now, the latest and hopefully the greatest version of one of the most popular Linux distributions will be released. For those of you who loved Fedora 10, then the reasons are plenty for you to like version 11 (codename Leonidas) more." Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Tue May 26 15:19:43 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:19:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11: Virtual(ization) Reality Message-ID: <4A1C088F.3060703@redhat.com> Cutting edge virtualization technology has always been one of Fedora's strong suits and Fedora 11 looks to continue that trend. In an interview with Daniel P. Berrange, Red Hat Virt Team Engineer and Fedora Virtualization guru, we talk about the many key upgrades to virt technology in F11 focusing on areas of usability, performance and security. Fedora 11 will premiere the latest in secure and powerful virtualization technology available to users and developers. With so much to look forward to Fedora 11, it's sure to make your virtualization dreams a reality. Read the interview at: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/fedora-11-virtualization-reality.html From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:38:56 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:38:56 -0700 Subject: Meeting Today 2009.05.26 @ 20.00UTC In-Reply-To: <4A1BF191.4080707@redhat.com> References: <4A1BF191.4080707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080905261038n21e74e1ch558fb449e019eba@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Jack -- Just a heads up: I can't make the meeting today but I'll check the logs later. Larry Cafiero On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > We will be having out regularly scheduled marketing meeting today, May 26th > 2009 at 20.00 UTC. That's 4 Eastern, 1 Pacific. The meeting will be taking > place in #fedora-meeting. 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Rahul From sherry151 at gmail.com Wed May 27 17:03:04 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:33:04 +0530 Subject: FEL on Opencores FOSS tools list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I was going through the list which I got in today's newsletter and to my surprise I found FEL in the list along with some other FOSS EDA tools. Felt like sharing this news. http://opencores.org/?do=newsletter&2009=05#n5 -- Regards Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry151 at gmail.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 27 19:04:03 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:34:03 +0530 Subject: FEL on Opencores FOSS tools list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1D8EA3.8090808@fedoraproject.org> On 05/27/2009 10:33 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > Hi > > I was going through the list which I got in today's newsletter and to > my surprise I found FEL in the list along with some other FOSS EDA > tools. Felt like sharing this news. > http://opencores.org/?do=newsletter&2009=05#n5 Awesome. FEL is definitely going places. Rahul From jaa at redhat.com Thu May 28 18:34:21 2009 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:34:21 -0400 Subject: Media and Content for next week 6/1-6/8 Message-ID: <4A1ED92D.6090602@redhat.com> Hey All, Seeing as that we slipped another week, I don't think we should stop the barrage of podcast and interviews that are coming out. There are a few more topics that I think I can cover, and will present them here as a sort of schedule for next week. Again, for those of who are interested in doing a non-english podcast, there were some good ideas and I think we should move ahead with some of those. If you are seriously interested, please reply all to this email with a proposal and outline. I will not be around Friday to help, but will be back online on Sunday. Max, Paul and anyone else should be able to help you. Paul put together a great tutorial on how to record a podcast through fedora talk voip which can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast My proposed topics for print interview and/or podcast are as follows: Ext4 with Eric Sandeen Thunderbird 3 with Chris Aillon Fingerprint Auth with Bastein Nocera 20 Second Startup with Harald Hoyer Please let me know what you think of those and if interested in doing a non-english podcast. Thanks, Jack From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 29 07:07:32 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:37:32 +0530 Subject: Media and Content for next week 6/1-6/8 In-Reply-To: <4A1ED92D.6090602@redhat.com> References: <4A1ED92D.6090602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A1F89B4.5040005@fedoraproject.org> On 05/29/2009 12:04 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > My proposed topics for print interview and/or podcast are as follows: > > Ext4 with Eric Sandeen Last I talked to him, he said he was fighting some blocker bugs. > Thunderbird 3 with Chris Aillon Make that Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3 > Fingerprint Auth with Bastein Nocera > 20 Second Startup with Harald Hoyer Instead of 20 second startup, it be more interesting to talk to Ray Strode about Plymouth. Also would be useful to talk to the Fedora KDE SIG - Rex Dieter or Kevin Kofler about KDE in Fedora 11. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri May 29 07:33:49 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11's best five features Message-ID: <4A1F8FDD.9040201@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.computerworld.com/fedora_11s_best_five_features?page=1 "Whether you use Fedora on your servers or desktops, I highly recommend you give this new version a try. It's fast, it's solid, and it's up to date. It's really everything you could ask for from a do-it-all Linux distribution." Rahul From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Fri May 29 07:35:03 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:35:03 +0200 Subject: FEL on Opencores FOSS tools list In-Reply-To: <4A1D8EA3.8090808@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A1D8EA3.8090808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <50baabb30905290035r148da8c3wf664a73b9ccb6427@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/27/2009 10:33 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: >> Hi >> >> I was going through the list which I got in today's newsletter and to >> my surprise I found FEL in the list along with some other FOSS EDA >> tools. Felt like sharing this news. >> http://opencores.org/?do=newsletter&2009=05#n5 > > Awesome. FEL is definitely going places. > > Rahul > Hello, That's indeed good news. :) I'll update FEL's flyer during the weekend so that anyone can use it during their respective events. Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Fri May 29 10:20:31 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:20:31 +0200 Subject: One minute Demo : Create an AMD2901 IC Message-ID: <50baabb30905290320p5fac1fd5l26e39186f8cfeea7@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, It was requested some time ago how to give a small quick demo of a chip design flow. Below, _briefly_ I will show you how to do so in less than 1 minute. We will demonstrate a simplified version of the AMD 2901 integrated circuit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Am2900 You will need the example "alliance-run" coming with package "alliance-doc". == Preparation == # yum install alliance-doc Copy the example to a directory of your choice: $ cp -pr /usr/share/doc/alliance-doc-5.0/alliance-run/ . $ cd alliance-run Disable the design checker, this example is very old and the technology was updated since. $ sed -i "s|\$(DRUC|#(DRUC|" Makefile == Chip design == The behavioural model of the IC is described in the file amd2901_ctl.vbe. This file undergoes several stages to refine the area and timing of the design and finally converted into hardware. In this case, we are using a technology of 1 ?m. However, we also ship 7 additional technologies up to a feature size of 0.13?m (under the name of pharosc). Compile the design (one minute): $ make View the schematic: $ make view_ctl_logic (you can also open the amd2901_chip.vst, and roam through the hierarchies) View the chip : $ make graal open amd2901_chip.ap http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/images/graal.png To view the pins etc, use the peek function and select the whole chip : http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/images/graalpeek.png To simulation the chip: $ make view_chip_simulation That's it you can use this small demo during your events :) Tip: you can set the main windows below other windows in order to have the small dialog boxes on top. Right click on the window decorator -> Advanced -> Keep below others Well that's it you have a simplified version of an AMD2901 IC. Keep regards, Chitlesh From anton.cost at gmail.com Fri May 29 14:08:59 2009 From: anton.cost at gmail.com (Konstantinos Antonakoglou) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:08:59 +0300 Subject: FEL on Opencores FOSS tools list In-Reply-To: <50baabb30905290035r148da8c3wf664a73b9ccb6427@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1D8EA3.8090808@fedoraproject.org> <50baabb30905290035r148da8c3wf664a73b9ccb6427@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243606139.5265.2.camel@KOSTAS-PC> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:35 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 05/27/2009 10:33 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I was going through the list which I got in today's newsletter and to > >> my surprise I found FEL in the list along with some other FOSS EDA > >> tools. Felt like sharing this news. > >> http://opencores.org/?do=newsletter&2009=05#n5 > > > > Awesome. FEL is definitely going places. > > Great! FEL deserves to become the best solution for EDA tools...Keep up! > > Rahul > > > > Hello, > > That's indeed good news. :) > I'll update FEL's flyer during the weekend so that anyone can use it > during their respective events. > Yeah! We need it :) > Chitlesh > -- Konstantinos Antonakoglou PGP key: 0xC9E2E16B constanton @ Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From anton.cost at gmail.com Fri May 29 14:42:45 2009 From: anton.cost at gmail.com (Konstantinos Antonakoglou) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:42:45 +0300 Subject: One minute Demo : Create an AMD2901 IC In-Reply-To: <50baabb30905290320p5fac1fd5l26e39186f8cfeea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30905290320p5fac1fd5l26e39186f8cfeea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243608165.5265.4.camel@KOSTAS-PC> Just checked it out...very handy. Thank you Chitlesh. On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 12:20 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello there, > > It was requested some time ago how to give a small quick demo of a > chip design flow. > > Below, _briefly_ I will show you how to do so in less than 1 minute. > > We will demonstrate a simplified version of the AMD 2901 integrated circuit. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Am2900 > > You will need the example "alliance-run" coming with package "alliance-doc". > > == Preparation == > > # yum install alliance-doc > > Copy the example to a directory of your choice: > > $ cp -pr /usr/share/doc/alliance-doc-5.0/alliance-run/ . > > $ cd alliance-run > > Disable the design checker, this example is very old and the > technology was updated since. > > $ sed -i "s|\$(DRUC|#(DRUC|" Makefile > > == Chip design == > > The behavioural model of the IC is described in the file > amd2901_ctl.vbe. This file undergoes several stages to refine the area > and timing of the design and finally converted into hardware. > > In this case, we are using a technology of 1 ?m. However, we also ship > 7 additional technologies up to a feature size of 0.13?m (under the > name of pharosc). > > Compile the design (one minute): > $ make > > View the schematic: > $ make view_ctl_logic > (you can also open the amd2901_chip.vst, and roam through the hierarchies) > > View the chip : > $ make graal > open amd2901_chip.ap > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/images/graal.png > > To view the pins etc, use the peek function and select the whole chip : > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/images/graalpeek.png > > To simulation the chip: > $ make view_chip_simulation > > That's it you can use this small demo during your events :) > > Tip: you can set the main windows below other windows in order to have > the small dialog boxes on top. > Right click on the window decorator -> Advanced -> Keep below others > > Well that's it you have a simplified version of an AMD2901 IC. > > Keep regards, > Chitlesh > -- Konstantinos Antonakoglou PGP key: 0xC9E2E16B constanton @ Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Konstantinos Antonakoglou < anton.cost at gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:35 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On 05/27/2009 10:33 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > > >> Hi > > >> > > >> I was going through the list which I got in today's newsletter and to > > >> my surprise I found FEL in the list along with some other FOSS EDA > > >> tools. Felt like sharing this news. > > >> http://opencores.org/?do=newsletter&2009=05#n5 > > > > > > Awesome. FEL is definitely going places. > > > > > Great! FEL deserves to become the best solution for EDA tools...Keep up! > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > That's indeed good news. :) > > I'll update FEL's flyer during the weekend so that anyone can use it > > during their respective events. > > > > Yeah! We need it :) > > > Chitlesh > > > -- > Konstantinos Antonakoglou > PGP key: 0xC9E2E16B > > constanton @ Freenode > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at christensenplace.us Fri May 29 17:13:52 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL Message-ID: Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release announcement[1] built. We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and think we are in consensus that it is complete. Please look over it and see if anything jumps out at you. If not, this is what we'd like to go with. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11 Thanks, Eric Docs Lead From mechua at redhat.com Fri May 29 17:17:35 2009 From: mechua at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:17:35 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mel Chua Message-ID: <4A2018AF.9050809@redhat.com> I'm Mel Chua*, and I'll be a Max-and-Greg CommArch minion[0] for a few months. I'm usually in Boston but will also be in Raleigh and San Fransisco at various points this summer. Among other things, I'm an open-source-in-education geek with an electrical & computer engineering background and quite a bit of history in the OLPC[1] and Sugar Labs[2] projects, which some of you here might know me from. Fedorawise, I'm still watching and learning and haven't yet jumped on particular projects, but one of my constant interests is learning how to spark up the open-source mentality in academia through working on stuff like http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE. Fedora is a great example of a learning ecosystem that's done way better than academic institutions at creating folks who can Make Real Stuff For Real people, so figuring out how that happens and how to spread the word of it is the first thing I'll be hurtling towards. Not sure exactly what that means yet, but I'll listen for a while and let you know. ;) Potentially useful skills - feel free to grab me on IRC (mchua) to do things in the impending release rush: * mediawiki ninja. I keep/make pages good-lookin', spam-free, well-linked, content-o-riffic, and push stuff that should be on the wiki, to the wiki. * documentation nerd. teach me something and I'll write it up so well you'll never have to teach it to anyone else again. * hackathon/event wrangling. I've run unconferences, hackathons, workshops, and most kinds of grassroots events you can think of, and can do it well enough to teach others. * breaking things. I used to be in QA, and my specialty is breaking things (technology and content) like a very creative newbie might. Point me towards something and I will get confused and tell you exactly why. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mchua [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua *only my parents call me Mallory. I also go by mchua on IRC. From david at gnsa.us Fri May 29 17:30:34 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:30:34 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mel Chua In-Reply-To: <4A2018AF.9050809@redhat.com> References: <4A2018AF.9050809@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > I'm Mel Chua*, and I'll be a Max-and-Greg CommArch minion[0] I am sooo sorry for you. :) j/k Welcome to Fedora!!! I am very excited to see you working within Fedora. From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Fri May 29 17:32:39 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:32:39 +0200 Subject: FEL on Opencores FOSS tools list In-Reply-To: References: <4A1D8EA3.8090808@fedoraproject.org> <50baabb30905290035r148da8c3wf664a73b9ccb6427@mail.gmail.com> <1243606139.5265.2.camel@KOSTAS-PC> Message-ID: <50baabb30905291032x7562ab87t7a860628e964f7a8@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Emilio Simpkins wrote: > Idk what FEl is really, but any publicity is good for Fedora. Hello, FEL stands for Fedora Electronic Lab. In short, it represents our work done to make Fedora a suitable platform for microelectronics engineering, as well. You can learn more here: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Chitlesh From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 29 21:05:29 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:29 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mel Chua In-Reply-To: <4A2018AF.9050809@redhat.com> References: <4A2018AF.9050809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090529210529.GZ8435@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:17:35PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > I'm Mel Chua*, and I'll be a Max-and-Greg CommArch minion[0] for a few > months. I'm usually in Boston but will also be in Raleigh and San > Fransisco at various points this summer. Among other things, I'm an > open-source-in-education geek with an electrical & computer engineering > background and quite a bit of history in the OLPC[1] and Sugar Labs[2] > projects, which some of you here might know me from. Mel, we're really excited to have you around in Fedora. I know your involvement here is going to get a lot of enthusiasm flowing, so welcome! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mspevack at redhat.com Sat May 30 08:07:13 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 May 2009, Eric Christensen wrote: > Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release > announcement[1] built. We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and > think we are in consensus that it is complete. Please look over it > and see if anything jumps out at you. If not, this is what we'd like > to go with. I like it. It makes me smile, and not much does. Minor suggestions: (1) Change Dr. Brattlesworth to some sort of pun on a Fedora name? Unless Brattlesworth has some other meaning that I simply don't get. (2) I read "snares, toils, and dangers" as "snares, trolls, and dangers" at first, which might be funnier! (3) "that marvelous creature -- Leonidas" -- perhaps "the Leonidas"? (4) If (3), then s/Leonidas/the Leonidas/ everywhere appropriate (5) I believe people adjourn to the "parlour" for cigars and brandy, not the "sitting room". :) Good stuff. --Max From eric at christensenplace.us Sat May 30 14:18:30 2009 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:18:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1243693110.3063.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 10:07 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > I like it. It makes me smile, and not much does. > > Minor suggestions: > > (1) Change Dr. Brattlesworth to some sort of pun on a Fedora name? > Unless Brattlesworth has some other meaning that I simply don't get. Anyone have any suggestions? > (2) I read "snares, toils, and dangers" as "snares, trolls, and dangers" > at first, which might be funnier! I didn't make this change only because "trolls" doesn't seem to fit BUT I'm not against making the change because I think it would be funnier. Opinions? > (3) "that marvelous creature -- Leonidas" -- perhaps "the Leonidas"? Changed. > > (4) If (3), then s/Leonidas/the Leonidas/ everywhere appropriate Done > > (5) I believe people adjourn to the "parlour" for cigars and brandy, not > the "sitting room". :) Yeah... done. > > Good stuff. > > --Max > I've also made changes based on Murray's email. -- Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm picturing John Cleese in that role. >> (2) I read "snares, toils, and dangers" as "snares, trolls, and >> dangers" at first, which might be funnier! > > I didn't make this change only because "trolls" doesn't seem to fit > BUT I'm not against making the change because I think it would be > funnier. Opinions? /me waits to see what others think. From frankly3d at gmail.com Sat May 30 17:52:34 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:34 +0100 Subject: fedora_11s_best_five_features (Review) Message-ID: <4A217262.1050803@gmail.com> http://blogs.computerworld.com/fedora_11s_best_five_features -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible From smooge at gmail.com Sat May 30 18:56:06 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:56:06 -0600 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e4090905301156w7b35f141u55828a83fcef5fd6@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009, Eric Christensen wrote: > >> Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release >> announcement[1] built. ?We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and think >> we are in consensus that it is complete. ?Please look over it and see if >> anything jumps out at you. ?If not, this is what we'd like to go with. > > I like it. ?It makes me smile, and not much does. > > Minor suggestions: > > (1) Change Dr. Brattlesworth to some sort of pun on a Fedora name? Unless > Brattlesworth has some other meaning that I simply don't get. Well Brattlesworth doesn't prattle anything so the other fellow must be Dr Broll who is very droll. I would believe Brattlesworth would be played by someone very quiet . Broll is of course played by Michael Palin (who does these sort of things for a living) and Brattlesworth would be played by a very quiet John Cleese who would mime being eaten/beaten/mauled by the Leonadis. > (2) I read "snares, toils, and dangers" as "snares, trolls, and dangers" at > first, which might be funnier! I think toils goes better with the general story. Trolls is more of Holy Grail skit. > (5) I believe people adjourn to the "parlour" for cigars and brandy, not the > "sitting room". ?:) Dear sirs, in the matter of your speech, I believe I have found a slight problem. In most victorian and edwardian novels it would seem that the men go to the smoking room, the ladies go to either the parlour or sitting room. Seeing a man in the parlour was usually a sign of distress. Which of course would be how a skit like this would end.. the lights come on and we see that all the old gentlemen are dressed in drag. However that is a visual joke hard to accomplish in written word :0. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" From ian at ianweller.org Sat May 30 21:13:16 2009 From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:13:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL In-Reply-To: References: <1243693110.3063.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090530211241.GA28918@kupenblagster.ianweller.org> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:46:30PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > The more I read "Brattlesworth", the funnier it is. I'm picturing John > Cleese in that role. > Almost makes me wonder if we can get him to do a promo video. Unlikely, but hey. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From unidentified221 at gmail.com Sun May 31 03:02:01 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:02:01 -0500 Subject: fedora_11s_best_five_features (Review) In-Reply-To: <4A217262.1050803@gmail.com> References: <4A217262.1050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is the kind of Publicity Fedora needs. I like it.... On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) < frankly3d at gmail.com> wrote: > http://blogs.computerworld.com/fedora_11s_best_five_features > > > > -- > msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d > Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List > Still Learning, Unicode where possible > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun May 31 13:42:58 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:12:58 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project leader Paul W Frields talks with FLOSS Weekly Message-ID: <4A228962.6030705@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://twit.tv/floss71 "Paul W. Frields of the Fedora Project, the free and open source arm of the Red Hat Linux distribution. Paul W. Frields is the Chairman of the Fedora Project Board, and an employee of Red Hat. He works on documentation, release notes, marketing, and was a founding member of the Fedora Project Board." Blog post from Paul at http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2481 Rahul