From kaboon at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 10:01:52 2009 From: kaboon at gmail.com (Eelko Berkenpies) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:01:52 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everybody for the response to my "call for help". :) > Yesterday at Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM I write this https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-August/msg00075.html @Dilip Khanolkar Thanks for the link to your shop. Although I am looking more for accessories than clothing. :) @Mathieu Bridon That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / European orientated? Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a start. @Pierre-Yves I wish I realized this earlier. I'm just back from a holiday to France. :) @Nicu Buculei Good suggestion and I'm afraid, that if I would like to have some goodies on short notice, I have to go with your suggestion for now. :) Thanks again to all of you for your suggestions. -- With kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Eelko Berkenpies http://blog.berkenpies.nl/ From jeanfrancisahanda at yahoo.fr Tue Sep 1 10:11:18 2009 From: jeanfrancisahanda at yahoo.fr (jean-francis Ahanda) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:11:18 +0100 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9CF346.1070500@yahoo.fr> Here is the link to the list of countries where they can deliver : http://www.spreadshirt.net/en/EU/Service/Help-1328/categoryId/5/articleId/542 Eelko Berkenpies a ?crit : > Thanks everybody for the response to my "call for help". :) > > >> Yesterday at Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM I write this https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-August/msg00075.html >> > > @Dilip Khanolkar > > Thanks for the link to your shop. Although I am looking more for > accessories than clothing. :) > > > @Mathieu Bridon > > That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if > Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the > possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / > European orientated? > > Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've > been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I > wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions > on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a > start. > > > @Pierre-Yves > > I wish I realized this earlier. I'm just back from a holiday to France. :) > > > @Nicu Buculei > > Good suggestion and I'm afraid, that if I would like to have some > goodies on short notice, I have to go with your suggestion for now. :) > > Thanks again to all of you for your suggestions. > > From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 1 11:35:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:35:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <4A9D06FA.9040506@redhat.com> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! I know it's been a hectic week (it's been a crazy past few days for me as well), so this is a good time to check in and catch our collective breath. Looks like I still owe status updates to the list; I'll try to get to these before the meeting. --Mel From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Tue Sep 1 16:43:45 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:43:45 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <4A9CF346.1070500@yahoo.fr> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> <4A9CF346.1070500@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <177D058F-2750-4DE3-9D78-ACEDFEC05375@mrtomlinux.org> By the way, opening up our spreadshirt store to the rest of the world would cost 100? for us... It is a service spreadshirt offers. Which is something we can consider. However this store is linked to fedora- fr non profit organisation and not to the Official Fedora Project. Thomas Le 1 sept. 2009 ? 12:11, jean-francis Ahanda a ?crit : > Here is the link to the list of countries where they can deliver : > http://www.spreadshirt.net/en/EU/Service/Help-1328/categoryId/5/articleId/542 > > > > Eelko Berkenpies a ?crit : >> Thanks everybody for the response to my "call for help". :) >> >> >>> Yesterday at Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM I write this https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-August/msg00075.html >>> >> >> @Dilip Khanolkar >> >> Thanks for the link to your shop. Although I am looking more for >> accessories than clothing. :) >> >> >> @Mathieu Bridon >> >> That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if >> Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are >> the >> possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / >> European orientated? >> >> Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've >> been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I >> wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions >> on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a >> start. >> >> >> @Pierre-Yves >> >> I wish I realized this earlier. I'm just back from a holiday to >> France. :) >> >> >> @Nicu Buculei >> >> Good suggestion and I'm afraid, that if I would like to have some >> goodies on short notice, I have to go with your suggestion for >> now. :) >> >> Thanks again to all of you for your suggestions. >> >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 1 19:13:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:13:30 -0400 Subject: Zikula questions at this week's Marketing meeting Message-ID: <4A9D725A.8060800@redhat.com> Toshio had some questions about some of the module packages (context pasted below). mchua: So for the secondary package (pagemaster) -- I'm not happy approving it with the bundled filterutils mchua: I've been trying to catch itbegins on irc to ask him about when zikula2 will be out/whether we can upgrade to that in FI/EPEL or if it's incompatible, etc. mchua: There are cases where other packages had contained backports -- but to things from the Core language (python stdlib stuff is what I'm thinking) not to addons. mchua: Anyhow -- If someone else wanted to review and approve that module, we'd want to make sure that it used the zikula-2 library i available and the backport if not... but I'm not sure how to do that in php. Simon, in case you see this in the next 50 minutes - were you planning on coming to the Fedora Marketing meeting today? I'm going through the agenda now and it looks like FI should be most of it. (If not, no worries, I'll keep logistics up to date on zikula and marketing up to date on FI, and keep chasing these answers down.) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 1 21:10:33 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:10:33 -0400 Subject: Marketing meeting minutes, 2009-09-01 Message-ID: <4A9D8DC9.70705@redhat.com> Wow. It's September already. Notes up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009, and at the links below. For everyone who's at the Summit - have fun, kick ass, and we'll see you next week! --Mel Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 21:03:39 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-20.01.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-20.01.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-20.01.log.html Short notes: 1. Roll Call (mchua, 20:01:12) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:03:44) 2. How are folks doing? (mchua, 20:04:33) 3. Release deliverables (mchua, 20:07:45) 1. ACTION: mchua to forward email to marketing professors about having their classes help with Fedora Marketing deliverables (mchua, 20:12:59) 2. AGREED: Need clarity around how the honor of authoring the final release notes is bestowed. (mchua, 20:18:56) 3. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-marketing-tasks.html (mchua, 20:22:13) 4. Briefing Ambassadors about F12 (mchua, 20:25:25) 1. http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/sales-selling-sales/11550452-1.html (mchua, 20:28:45) 2. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/3 (mchua, 20:30:18) 5. Fedora Insight (mchua, 20:36:51) 1. ACTION: mchua to check out what happened to zikula modules questions update email to logistics and marketing (mchua, 20:42:59) 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-September/000206.html (mchua, 20:45:20) 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-September/000206.html (mchua, 20:45:26) 4. ACTION: mchua to followup with itbegins to get information/code/modules/packages/etc. to abadger1999 for FI zikula modules (mchua, 20:45:55) 5. ACTION: mchua never mind finding the zikula modules questions update email to logistics and marketing. Today is no longer August, it's September. (mchua, 20:47:47) 6. ACTION: rbergeron to post FI workflow to mailing list and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Workflow once computer is toy-free :) (mchua, 20:48:40) 6. Marketing-fu++ (mchua, 20:49:52) 1. ACTION: mchua send https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan to list and ask for comments (mchua, 20:51:06) 7. marketing research (mchua, 20:52:56) 1. Market research thing-we-could-do #1: "users want X, we delivered Y% of this" feedback loop with engineering - gauging user needs. (mchua, 20:58:12) 2. Market research thing-we-could-do #2: start an open source market research repository (if no such thing exists) (mchua, 20:59:51) 8. open floor (mchua, 21:01:36) 1. ACTION: mchua to ping SeanDaly on Fedora Classroom class on Marketing again; I think he might be back this week or next (mchua, 21:02:38) From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Sep 1 21:30:51 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:30:51 -0700 Subject: Upcoming schedule tasks Message-ID: <4A9D928B.2010104@redhat.com> Name Start End In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete Tue 2009-08-04 Tue 2009-09-29 Collaboration with Red Hat Brand on marketing materials Wed 2009-08-26 Wed 2009-09-02 Open call for release slogans Thu 2009-09-10 Thu 2009-09-10 Release slogan selection Thu 2009-09-10 Thu 2009-09-17 From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 1 22:16:59 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:16:59 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> > @Mathieu Bridon > > That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if > Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the > possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / > European orientated? Something awesome just happened. The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in different languages. Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ Here is the list of countries where Spreadshirt will deliver: http://www.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Service/FAQ-1328/categoryId/8/articleId/542 > Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've > been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I > wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions > on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a > start. Basically, this is how anything happens in Fedora: 1. someone is motivated, starts doing things and tries to get others to join 2. ... Actually there's no 2. :) Best regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Tue Sep 1 22:22:32 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:22:32 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <357C7E5A-0B9C-4588-80FD-0B2C8CDC42E2@mrtomlinux.org> Le 2 sept. 2009 ? 00:16, "Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)" a ?crit : >> @Mathieu Bridon >> >> That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if >> Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are >> the >> possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / >> European orientated? > > Something awesome just happened. > > The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us > an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr > account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in > different languages. > > Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ > > Here is the list of countries where Spreadshirt will deliver: > http://www.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Service/FAQ-1328/categoryId/8/articleId/542 > >> Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've >> been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I >> wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions >> on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a >> start. > > Basically, this is how anything happens in Fedora: > 1. someone is motivated, starts doing things and tries to get others > to join > 2. ... > > Actually there's no 2. :) > > Best regards, > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > Thumbs up to everybody and big thanks to spreadshirts France !! :)) Thomas From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 1 22:22:20 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:22:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780909011522s457718afk4a776d0faab6b4f3@mail.gmail.com> >> @Mathieu Bridon >> >> That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if >> Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the >> possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / >> European orientated? > > Something awesome just happened. > > The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us > an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr > account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in > different languages. > > Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ Oh, and by the way, Spreadshirt people. Now I know you read this mailing-list, so: thanks a lot! :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 22:32:40 2009 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:32:40 +0100 Subject: Spreadshirts was: Re: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <357C7E5A-0B9C-4588-80FD-0B2C8CDC42E2@mrtomlinux.org> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> <357C7E5A-0B9C-4588-80FD-0B2C8CDC42E2@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: <4A9DA108.7080301@gmail.com> On 01/09/09 23:22, Thomas Canniot wrote: --snip-- >> > > Thumbs up to everybody and big thanks to spreadshirts France !! :)) > > Thomas > Is there Fedora designs there already? A quick site search on "Fedora" got no hits for me. From simon at zikula.org Wed Sep 2 03:39:46 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 04:39:46 +0100 Subject: Zikula questions at this week's Marketing meeting In-Reply-To: <4A9D725A.8060800@redhat.com> References: <4A9D725A.8060800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <005301ca2b7f$0b4a4c60$21dee520$@org> Sorry for my disappearing this week, been a bit crazy (I didn't get away from work until 1am last night, and 11pm today). So Zikula 2 is our long term, major change developmental branch. We're moving to a fully object oriented codebase, reducing code size while keeping functionality and improving performance. Along the way we should pick up a few features. But, by its nature, development of Zikula 2 is a pretty slow process, so we're talking 1 year plus before I predict it hitting stable. The good news is we maintain backwards compatibility in our APIs and so on, so all the modules we set up now should work fine. In the case of pagemaster, they are including the library precisely because Zikula 2 is so far off. When it gets nearer (probably release candidate stage), there will be a new version of pagemaster without the FilterUtil library bundled. Sorry for missing the meeting, but thanks for sending me this email direct so I saw it :) Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: Mel Chua [mailto:mel at redhat.com] > Sent: 01 September 2009 20:14 > To: Simon Birtwistle > Cc: Toshio Kuratomi; Fedora Marketing; > logistics at lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Zikula questions at this week's Marketing meeting > > Toshio had some questions about some of the module packages (context > pasted below). > > mchua: So for the secondary package (pagemaster) -- I'm > not happy approving it with the bundled filterutils > mchua: I've been trying to catch itbegins on irc to ask > him about when zikula2 will be out/whether we can upgrade to that in > FI/EPEL or if it's incompatible, etc. > mchua: There are cases where other packages had contained > backports -- but to things from the Core language (python stdlib stuff > is what I'm thinking) not to addons. > mchua: Anyhow -- If someone else wanted to review and > approve that module, we'd want to make sure that it used the zikula-2 > library i available and the backport if not... but I'm not sure how to > do that in php. > > Simon, in case you see this in the next 50 minutes - were you planning > on coming to the Fedora Marketing meeting today? I'm going through the > agenda now and it looks like FI should be most of it. (If not, no > worries, I'll keep logistics up to date on zikula and marketing up to > date on FI, and keep chasing these answers down.) > > --Mel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: > 08/31/09 05:50:00 From kaboon at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 08:23:21 2009 From: kaboon at gmail.com (Eelko Berkenpies) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:23:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora swag In-Reply-To: <2d319b780909011522s457718afk4a776d0faab6b4f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5430b30908310628s35ae3edajed75d5f7178daf8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908310642q50fd951n4f4667c2e4707be7@mail.gmail.com> <4A9BDA53.3000008@nicubunu.ro> <3f5430b30909010301y3637bd6fi90d7b158ceec6b26@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780909011516r1617e221i445f22f6298924ee@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780909011522s457718afk4a776d0faab6b4f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f5430b30909020123w3c8f87caq8691c2cf5a298315@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >>> @Mathieu Bridon >>> >>> That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if >>> Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the >>> possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / >>> European orientated? >> >> Something awesome just happened. >> >> The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us >> an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr >> account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in >> different languages. >> >> Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ > > Oh, and by the way, Spreadshirt people. Now I know you read this > mailing-list, so: thanks a lot! :) > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > This is awesome news, thanks a lot Spreadshirt people! On a side note, I see Spreadshirt offers more accessories such as stickers and buttons. How does Spreadshirt work? Would it cost extra to have these things added to your shop? It would be nice to get a few sticker designs in there so I can spam the office and whatnot with fedora stickers. :) Once we have things like that in, I guess Spreadshirt could be pretty much our "vendor", right? I haven't been around in 2008 but looking at the WIKI page most primary goals seem be archived now. The most ideal situation would be that we could redirect store.fedoraproject.org to the Spreadshirt shop and have it custom branded. But I don't know if Spreadshirt supports this and I guess that would be too much asked at the moment. ;-) Anyway, an order for at least one Mug coming up soon! Thanks again. -- With kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Eelko Berkenpies http://blog.berkenpies.nl/ From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 2 17:06:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Magazine: notes Message-ID: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> David Nalley brought out a convo to public IRC today (it's bounced around a bit in private email, I found out about it last night, and we agreed there wasn't any reason not to have this convo on a public list/channel, so here we go). We logged our IRC conversation (w00t transparency - I'm trying to make logging important IRC convos and summarizing them to the list a cultural norm here). Basically: * Linux Pro Magazine (via the awesome Rikki Kite) can print a special Fedora issue. * This would cost us money (on the order of magnitude of $10k, though we can recoup that if people pay for issues) * This would ideally look like "Fedora Insight: The Print Version" (we'd want the content to be community-contributed rather than hiring outside writers, because Fedora already has awesome writers) * If we want it for F12, we have to decide by the end of this week and somebody has to step up to lead/drive/edit/etc. this project (a somewhat monumental task) * We can do this for a later release too, there's nothing particularly special about right now * Right now, unless a miracle happens and somebody *really* wants to do this, we do not have the bandwidth to do it well for F12, but it would be awesome to do it for a later release, so we should talk with Rikki to see what the timing for an F13 or F14 print issue would look like. And that's where things stand right now. Comments and thoughts welcome, as always. The full log is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009, or go directly to the log here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-09-02/fedora-mktg.2009-09-02-13.55.log.html From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 2 18:03:19 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:03:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora Magazine: notes In-Reply-To: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> References: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A9EB367.1000006@redhat.com> This just in, from #fedora-marketing! Short version: Karsten: If Fedora Marketing doesn't have bandwidth to drive an F12 print magazine, perhaps RHT Brand could chip in manpower/funding/resources-in-general to increase Fedora Marketing's bandwidth enough to get an F12 magazine to happen. Mel: As long as it's owned by the Fedora community and supported by RHT instead of vice versa, that'd rock! David: We probably have flexibility on the deadline, and should tell Rikki that this might become a possibility. Max: I will ask Brand! Long version: mchua: I'm wondering ... I know this is crazy ... and we sadly can't get commitment this week .. mchua: if the Brand team at RHT would like to help we could really use one of their project managers, for example and some of the writers; I'd love to see Bascha write something, for example. IMO, it could fit in with some of their existing campaigns. and it's a nice space filler while they let RHEL 6 bake. here, greg and max would have the best guess on if those folks might like/dislike. if the budget is US$10K, right, that is potentially doable. (yes, you learn to separate your sense of personal budget from business budget; I spend for other people what I would never spend for myself>) * mchua needs to acquire this magical skill. quaid: argh, timing of Summit... * neverho0d has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) quaid, ke4qqq: do you have any idea how hard and fast the end-of-week deadline is? quaid: do you think RHT Brand would be willing to put somebody's time into driving this project (give them "Fedora contributor time" to do it)? quaid: 'cause even if Brand helps out, that still leaves an empty driver's seat, unless enough help materializes that the driver's seat duties are uberlight quaid: 'cause I'd also want to make sure it's a Fedora Thing supported by RHT, not a RHT thing that happens to mention Fedora in a lot of places (the ties and the collaboration should be close and strong, but ownership should ultimately come down on the Fedora community side, in my mind.) * mchua thinking out loud, and welcomes counteropinions slammed against these thoughts. (They're not particularly well-formed.) mchua: so perhaps if brand provides the necessary resources (mainly pm stuff and budget) maybe we tell rikki that I get the feeling that it's not hard (given the fact of how they have let me slip with this. I am about to disappear into a meeting for a bit ke4qqq: well, we should run it by brand before we tell rikki "yay brand!" but I think it's definitely an idea worth exploring * mchua waves to ke4qqq, have a good meeting! yeah - not committing on their part at the same time, I don't think there is harm in updating status with rikki +1 for this being a fedora thing supported by RHT and not vice versa right, let Rikki know that we have some ideas that we need another week to fix I think, of all people, Brand would understand the value of having it Fedora forward quaid: who in Brand to ping on this? or is this a "gregdek and spevack should ping brand, so let's ping Greg and Max" thing? * mchua winces a little at the tight timeline; we're already racing the clock to get FI in, and I'll probably feel a lot better about this once the module packaging issues are all worked out for that (and able to take on more "will we make it? will we maaaake it?" risk) then again, 'risk aversion' is not an adjective that usually applies to me... * spevack reads backward * quaid busy, back in a moment mchua: what's the bottom line here? spevack: Linux Pro Magazine can do a Fedora Magazine print version for us (think FI content on paper) for the F12 release for ~$10k, but we need to decide yes/no on F12 soon (this week, or next, no hard deadline per se) spevack: I originally said "our F12 plate is full, let's do this for F(later-version)" and then quaid brought up the idea of asking RHT Brand if they'd like to fund and drive it instead * spevack will get in touch with cgrams ASAP and have a conversation and report back spevack: Ok. Do you need any more info? I'm going to paste this log to the mktg list as well, but https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00140.html may be helpful when you're talking with cgrams. From tiago at tvieira.com Wed Sep 2 23:41:02 2009 From: tiago at tvieira.com (Tiago Vieira) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:41:02 +0100 Subject: usesthis.com interview In-Reply-To: <4A9C1EC6.7030404@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A9C1EC6.7030404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090902234102.GB8686@obelix.localdomain> On (31/08/09 15:04), M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > I was interviewed by waferbaby (Daniel Bogan) about my hardware/software > setup and I go through my usage of Fedora in the interview: > > http://mairin.duffy.usesthis.com/ > Great content! Thanks for sharing that. -- Tiago (r0xc0rp) Vieira tiagovieira at fedoraproject.org tel:+44-7595223968 Fedora Talk: 5125164 / E9CE CC25 0009 A08D F79E B660 08DA EAF5 47EA 1F16 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 3 03:33:58 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:33:58 -0400 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills Message-ID: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> Hi, Rodrigo! Mo and I were wondering if you might remember who this was... mchua: at one point, in LATAM i don't remember which ambassadors group they put together a whole for-print pdf magazine it was maybe a year or two ago though but they did an awesome job on it i dont know who did it though :( Linux Pro Magazine has been talking with us about doing a print Fedora Magazine for F12. If this happens, I'd like it to be created by community members as much as possible. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00013.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00014.html Thanks! --Mel From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 3 06:05:47 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:05:47 +0300 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills In-Reply-To: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> References: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A9F5CBB.7050902@nicubunu.ro> On 09/03/2009 06:33 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Mo and I were wondering if you might remember who this was... > > mchua: at one point, in LATAM i don't remember which ambassadors > group > they put together a whole for-print pdf magazine > it was maybe a year or two ago though but they did an awesome > job on it > i dont know who did it though :( The Brazilian community: http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 3 08:17:22 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:47:22 +0530 Subject: Fedora Magazine: notes In-Reply-To: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> References: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A9F7B92.2090403@fedoraproject.org> On 09/02/2009 10:36 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > David Nalley brought out a convo to public IRC today (it's bounced > around a bit in private email, I found out about it last night, and we > agreed there wasn't any reason not to have this convo on a public > list/channel, so here we go). > > We logged our IRC conversation (w00t transparency - I'm trying to make > logging important IRC convos and summarizing them to the list a cultural > norm here). Thanks for that. Just a quick note that I will be willing to write a Fedora 12 Overview. I did one for Linux Identity magazine last cycle. Let me know the precise deadlines, length etc if you need this. Rahul From esteban.fedora at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 12:13:23 2009 From: esteban.fedora at gmail.com (Esteban Baez) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:13:23 +0200 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills In-Reply-To: <4A9F5CBB.7050902@nicubunu.ro> References: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> <4A9F5CBB.7050902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi, Being useful, we also have a project similar to Fedora Brazil, original of Bolivia. The work of Latin American magazine is one of the ambassadors fedora. The content is fruit of joint collaboration between members: ambassadors and other areas of fedora, clear that also they place originating information of other means, do not cost anything to also watch this that is seen very well! http://atix.opentelematics.org/ 2009/9/3 Nicu Buculei > On 09/03/2009 06:33 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > > Mo and I were wondering if you might remember who this was... > > > > mchua: at one point, in LATAM i don't remember which ambassadors > > group > > they put together a whole for-print pdf magazine > > it was maybe a year or two ago though but they did an awesome > > job on it > > i dont know who did it though :( > > The Brazilian community: http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Esteban Baez Ing. 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Thanks for sharing that. > > -- > Tiago (r0xc0rp) Vieira tiagovieira at fedoraproject.org tel:+44-7595223968 > Fedora Talk: 5125164 / E9CE CC25 0009 A08D F79E B660 08DA EAF5 47EA 1F16 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Esteban Baez Ing. Sistemas/Ti Manager/LPI2 Fedora Project Ambassadors: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EstebanBaez Fedora Paraguay http://proyectofedora.org/paraguay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Sep 3 14:08:18 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:08:18 -0300 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills In-Reply-To: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> References: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A9FCDD2.8030205@projetofedora.org> Hi Mel. Take a look in our portal http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista/ We are in the 6th edition of our On-line Fedora Magazine. We are doing a excellent job here. In Brazil we have a special group responsible by the magazine, the leaders are Teseu and Henrique. Em 03-09-2009 00:33, Mel Chua escreveu: > Hi, Rodrigo! > > Mo and I were wondering if you might remember who this was... > > mchua: at one point, in LATAM i don't remember which ambassadors > group > they put together a whole for-print pdf magazine > it was maybe a year or two ago though but they did an awesome > job on it > i dont know who did it though :( > > Linux Pro Magazine has been talking with us about doing a print Fedora > Magazine for F12. 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URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 03:07:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:07:32 -0400 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills In-Reply-To: <4A9FCDCB.8080208@redhat.com> References: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> <4A9FCDCB.8080208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA08474.3070704@redhat.com> > Take a look in our portal http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista/ obrigado! A Revista ? linda! > We are in the 6th edition of our On-line Fedora Magazine. We are doing a > excellent job here. +1 - I added it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Of_Magazine_work_done_by_the_Fedora_community, so the folks at Linux Pro Magazine can see the amazing level of work that is already being done. > In Brazil we have a special group responsible by the magazine, the > leaders are Teseu and Henrique. Would it be possible to get in touch with them? I would love to hear their thoughts on how the work they're doing with Revista could fit into a Fedora print magazine - if they are already doing all this great work, we should find a way to showcase it. Thanks, Rodrigo! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 03:17:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:17:26 -0400 Subject: LATAM ambassadors with awesome magazine layout skills In-Reply-To: References: <4A9F3926.7010705@redhat.com> <4A9F5CBB.7050902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4AA086C6.7020101@redhat.com> On 09/03/2009 08:13 AM, Esteban Baez wrote: > Hi, > Being useful, we also have a project similar to Fedora Brazil, original > of Bolivia. The work of Latin American magazine is one of the > ambassadors fedora. > The content is fruit of joint collaboration between members: ambassadors > and other areas of fedora, clear that also they place originating > information of other means, do not cost anything to also watch this that > is seen very well! > http://atix.opentelematics.org/ Gracias, Esteban! I have also added this to the wiki page, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Of_Magazine_work_done_by_the_Fedora_community. Can you please check and see if the description is correct? (Everybody, please add other instances of magazine or magazine-like work on Fedora done by Fedora contributors to the wiki page!) *goes to send an email to multiple lists asking them to do the same* --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 03:20:37 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:20:37 -0400 Subject: Fedora Magazine: notes In-Reply-To: <4A9F7B92.2090403@fedoraproject.org> References: <4A9EA60E.4000303@redhat.com> <4A9F7B92.2090403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AA08785.20703@redhat.com> > Thanks for that. Just a quick note that I will be willing to write a > Fedora 12 Overview. I did one for Linux Identity magazine last cycle. > Let me know the precise deadlines, length etc if you need this. Thanks, Rahul - we don't know the deadlines and length restrictions yet, but I added that question to the list to ask about tomorrow, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Questions I also added a section at the bottom for volunteer offers like yours: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Volunteer --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 05:45:04 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:45:04 -0400 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine Message-ID: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Marketing! Logistics! Documentation! News! Design! Ambassadors! (If I've missed a group that should know about this, please forward it on and let me know.) Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print issue for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands internationally with an F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, very cool. We're trying to figure out whether this is possible, whether we should do it, and (if both of those are "yes"), how the balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora community (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for F12 next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a project page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. We would particularly love your ideas for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Contribution_balance. Rikki Kite from LPM is being absolutely awesome about transparency for this entire process, has made a version of the proposal for public consumption (it's all the information that we have, minus financials and circulation numbers): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal. If you have any questions, please add them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Questions - myself, Max Spevack, Karsten Wade, and David Nalley will be calling Rikki and the folks at LPM tomorrow (Friday), so that'll be a first chance (definitely not the last!) to get some of these questions answered. --Mel PS: One of the most surprising things I've learned in the last 24 hours is that the good folks down in LATAM are already doing a Fedora magazine - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Of_Magazine_work_done_by_the_Fedora_community. Ambassadors *rock.* From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 14:57:33 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:57:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight zikula getting upgraded. Message-ID: <4AA12ADD.3080007@redhat.com> Keiran Smith is taking on the upgrade - thanks, Keiran! (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/23) Reading the 4th comment on that ticket (the long one from me) serves as a reasonable "what's up with FI right now?" summary as of... 3 minutes ago. --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 4 15:26:35 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:56:35 +0530 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 Message-ID: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 "Fedora 11 introduced a great new feature: delta RPM updates. This feature creates delta RPM packages (.drpm) that are binary ?patches? to the existing RPM packages. Instead of downloading all files, regardless of whether they have changed or not, a delta RPM will only download the files that have changed compared to the previous RPM package. Once the delta RPM is downloaded by the Presto plugin for yum, it will try to reconstruct a full RPM based on the contents of the previous RPM, plus the newly changed files from the delta RPM. The newly-created RPM will then be installed by yum." Rahul From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 15:59:57 2009 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:59:57 +0700 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 > > "Fedora 11 introduced a great new feature: delta RPM updates. This > feature creates delta RPM packages (.drpm) that are binary ?patches? to > the existing RPM packages. Instead of downloading all files, regardless > of whether they have changed or not, a delta RPM will only download the > files that have changed compared to the previous RPM package. > > Once the delta RPM is downloaded by the Presto plugin for yum, it will > try to reconstruct a full RPM based on the contents of the previous RPM, > plus the newly changed files from the delta RPM. The newly-created RPM > will then be installed by yum." > > Rahul Its a great feature certainly. I am already reaping the benefit. I can keep my Fedora setup updated by downloading less amount. kudos to the developers and package manager. Cheers // Imtiaz Rahi Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 16:37:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:37:11 -0400 Subject: Existing F12 materials for LPM magazine proposal context Message-ID: <4AA14237.3020306@redhat.com> Rikki, I don't seem to have Joe's email - could you forward this to him, please? Thanks! Marketing team: Max and I had a call with the good folks from Linux Pro Magazine today about the possibilities for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. They asked how they could best get up to speed with what F12 will be like - here's my short list of resources I think are useful for this, but feel free to chime in if you think of anything I've missed. (Rikki and Joe - welcome to the world of Fedora. ;) Our Marketing team's timeline for F12 materials is up on http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-marketing-tasks.html. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList (for more context on feature lists and feature profiles, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features may help.) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_talking_points - the talking points themselves are works in progress, but it'll give you an idea of what in the feature list we're going to be focusing on; to see what talking points end up looking like, the F11 ones are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points. The other thing I mentioned on the call is that we're moving our marketing materials from "scattered all across the internet" to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight, which is a platform we're actively working on getting up right now (Keiran Smith is working on the server as we speak.) https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/11 and https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 give some idea of the kinds of materials we're planning on publishing there, in case there's anything that would be useful - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Sketches are the best things to look at to get a quick idea of what we're doing and where we're heading with the stuff that we're producing. 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URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 21:59:22 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: [Trimming the recipient list down a little bit.] *** AMBASSADORS: PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL *** > Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print > issue for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands > internationally with an F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, > very cool. We're trying to figure out whether this is possible, > whether we should do it, and (if both of those are "yes"), how the > balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora community > (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. > > We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it > first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for > F12 next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a > project page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. There are a few points that I'd like to add to this discussion. (1) Nothing has been decided yet -- as a collective, we need to think about the ideas presented by LPM, as well as the timeline that we would have to operate under, the content that we would need to produce, etc. (2) There is a price tag associated with this project, that (if we say yes to it) will require us to get a bit clever with the way we plan for Fedora 12 media, especially in North America and Europe (where the magazine is published). If we say yes to this overall deal, it will get us three things: + Magazines (including the 32-bit DVD) on sale at news-stands and bookstores in North America and Europe + 1,000 magazines (including DVD) shipped directly to the Fedora Project, that we can do with as we choose. + 8,000 DVDs shipped directly to the Fedora Project, that we can do with as we choose. That means 9,000 DVDS (and 1,000 magazines) that we would probably use as the VAST MAJORITY of our media during the Fedora 12 cycle. We would probably *not* produce a large quantity of separate LiveCDs, which has been the habit for the past several releases. Furthermore, the DVDs would come in plain white sleeves (not Fedora-designed sleeves), and the artwork on the face of the DVD would be Fedora-related, but would also have the Linux Pro Magazine logo on it. I would like to know how Ambassadors feel about this. --Max From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 5 03:13:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:13:35 -0400 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine Message-ID: <4AA1D75F.8080003@redhat.com> I've also added this to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal#Fedora_to_provide so we know what we'd need to do in case we decide to go with the "we're going to print a magazine!" proposal. Still exploring possibilities, still in need of thoughts and feedback - is this a good idea? What difficulties - or benefits - or both - do you see? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:30:28 -0400 From: Tom "spot" Callaway To: Mel Chua CC: Stephen John Smoogen On 09/04/2009 09:58 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> On 09/04/2009 01:06 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >>> One thing I know that has happened in the past with several print >>> magazines is that a special DVD had to be made with the .src.rpm's on >>> it so that they were compliant with GPL provisions. That required a >>> special spin for that. >>> Tom, is that still required? With a DVD spin.. one would make a >>> bigger LIVE cd spin and include the SRPMs on it for those packages. > >> On 09/04/2009 03:37 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >> Yes, the source needs to come with the DVD so that we meet the licensing >> provisions. Doing a bigger F12 Live spin with the SRPMs included seems >> like the simplest way to handle that. > > Is this ok to share with the Marketing list and LPM folks? (I don't see > any reason why not, but wanted to make sure it wasn't already public for > some reason.) Sure, I see no reason why not. ~spot From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 5 17:35:34 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:35:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight Zikula on pt6 Is About To Be Upgraded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA2A166.7020500@redhat.com> On 09/04/2009 04:40 PM, Affix wrote: > Zikula Upgraded to Zikula 1.1.2 Wow - and the skin's back up on there as well (as a checkout from an SVN repository, svnfedora-zikula-theme, w00t)! Thanks, Keiran - this is fantastic. Do the instructions on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox still work, or is there anything we need to do to edit them to reflect the install process for 1.1.2? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 5 18:53:37 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:53:37 -0400 Subject: CC BY-SA announcement drafts (also: holy crap ian did something!) In-Reply-To: <20090904235708.GE18490@calliope.phig.org> References: <20090831213439.GC2798@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> <20090904235708.GE18490@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4AA2B3B1.2000701@redhat.com> On 09/04/2009 07:57 PM, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 04:34:39PM -0500, Ian Weller wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release > Marketing might want to add some fluff, which is OK, too. Marketing fluff added. ;) How is this press release getting released, when, and where-to? Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion previously. Specifically, I added: * The standard "this is a press release!" headers ("FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE", location/date before the body text) * A headline (Fedora Project relicenses content to CC-BY-SA) * A boilerplate snip of org info at the bottom, yanked from http://fedoraproject.org/ (do we have a more official one to use for press releases? I couldn't find one.) * A shiny quote from Ian (this just in from IRC) * A contact info section * ### at the bottom, which is PRspeak for "end of press release" (For an example of what a professional press release looks like, see http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/fedora11.html - you'll see all these elements in there.) It still needs: * filling in of contact information at the bottom - Marketing folks, how we want to handle press releases is probably something we want to figure out in general at some point. * copyediting (I suck at making sure spelling/grammar/etc is 100% correct; my quick pass usually gets things to 90-95%) * more nice quotes, perhaps from Sparks or quaid or stickster - something like... "This relicensing effort will enable us to $list_of_awesomeness, we'd like to thank $these_people," said $name, $impressive-sounding-title. "$shiny_media_soundbite!" Docs folks, if you want more help with this, can you shoot us a ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket) and summarize this email thread in the comments so that we have a bit of context? --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 23:18:20 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:18:20 -0500 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090904231820.GC17025@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:56:35PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 > > "Fedora 11 introduced a great new feature: delta RPM updates. This > feature creates delta RPM packages (.drpm) that are binary ?patches? to > the existing RPM packages. Instead of downloading all files, regardless > of whether they have changed or not, a delta RPM will only download the > files that have changed compared to the previous RPM package. > > Once the delta RPM is downloaded by the Presto plugin for yum, it will > try to reconstruct a full RPM based on the contents of the previous RPM, > plus the newly changed files from the delta RPM. The newly-created RPM > will then be installed by yum." I think it would be fair and right for us to note in interviews or followup that the deltaRPM code comes from our friends in the openSUSE community. Credit where credit is definitely due! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From linux at blogmethat.net Sat Sep 5 23:28:56 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:28:56 -0400 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <20090904231820.GC17025@localhost.localdomain> References: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <20090904231820.GC17025@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <68DB5AAAB84146FF953B0812027EE898@AndyPCWin7Pro> OpenSUSE created the deltarpm? I did not know that! Thanks for that small but very important tidbit of information Paul! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul W. Frields" Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:18 PM To: Subject: Re: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:56:35PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 >> >> "Fedora 11 introduced a great new feature: delta RPM updates. This >> feature creates delta RPM packages (.drpm) that are binary ?patches? to >> the existing RPM packages. Instead of downloading all files, regardless >> of whether they have changed or not, a delta RPM will only download the >> files that have changed compared to the previous RPM package. >> >> Once the delta RPM is downloaded by the Presto plugin for yum, it will >> try to reconstruct a full RPM based on the contents of the previous RPM, >> plus the newly changed files from the delta RPM. The newly-created RPM >> will then be installed by yum." > > I think it would be fair and right for us to note in interviews or > followup that the deltaRPM code comes from our friends in the openSUSE > community. Credit where credit is definitely due! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 23:40:38 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:40:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > [Trimming the recipient list down a little bit.] > > *** AMBASSADORS: PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL *** > >> Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print issue >> for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands internationally with an >> F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, very cool. We're trying to figure >> out whether this is possible, whether we should do it, and (if both of those >> are "yes"), how the balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora >> community (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. Does anyone know the circulation or sales numbers. How many "thousands" would get distributed via LPM? >> We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it >> first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for F12 >> next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a project page >> at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. > > There are a few points that I'd like to add to this discussion. > > (1) Nothing has been decided yet -- as a collective, we need to think about > the ideas presented by LPM, as well as the timeline that we would have to > operate under, the content that we would need to produce, etc. > > (2) There is a price tag associated with this project, that (if we say yes > to it) will require us to get a bit clever with the way we plan for Fedora > 12 media, especially in North America and Europe (where the magazine is > published). > > If we say yes to this overall deal, it will get us three things: > > + Magazines (including the 32-bit DVD) on sale at news-stands and bookstores > in North America and Europe > > + 1,000 magazines (including DVD) shipped directly to the Fedora Project, > that we can do with as we choose. > > + 8,000 DVDs shipped directly to the Fedora Project, that we can do with as > we choose. > > That means 9,000 DVDS (and 1,000 magazines) that we would probably use as > the VAST MAJORITY of our media during the Fedora 12 cycle. These will all be 32 bit DVDs, right? > We would probably *not* produce a large quantity of separate LiveCDs, which > has been the habit for the past several releases. While these are still popular I really think we might be able to substitute more USB sticks at major events as we move forward. Big events seem to always have vendors giving away USB sticks and with some advertising at these events we could make these bootable easily enough for folks who would like the live image. Or we could give them the live image on the stick for them to make their own CD with. Or in North America they likely can download it quickly anyway. > Furthermore, the DVDs would come in plain white sleeves (not Fedora-designed > sleeves), and the artwork on the face of the DVD would be Fedora-related, > but would also have the Linux Pro Magazine logo on it. This doesn't bother me much if the distribution through the magazine is large. Assuming the distribution is large my instincts are in favor of doing this even if it limits what media we end up distributing ourselves for one cycle. We presumably can save some funds for other uses, a good thing, and perhaps will learn something about alternatives available to us that we aren't yet effectively using for distribution. John From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 6 06:44:47 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:14:47 +0530 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <68DB5AAAB84146FF953B0812027EE898@AndyPCWin7Pro> References: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <20090904231820.GC17025@localhost.localdomain> <68DB5AAAB84146FF953B0812027EE898@AndyPCWin7Pro> Message-ID: <4AA35A5F.2000000@fedoraproject.org> On 09/06/2009 04:58 AM, Andrew Jamison wrote: > OpenSUSE created the deltarpm? I did not know that! Thanks for that > small but very important tidbit of information Paul! Novell developer Michael Schroeder wrote deltarpm long back. Jonathan Dieter, a Fedora Project volunteer was doing something similar with yum-presto (which itself had been earlier initiated by another developer) when I pointed out that Novell had done work on it with deltarpm and he adopted it for yum-presto. Seth Vidal, Luke Macken and others in Fedora infrastructure did the work to integrate delta rpm generation with Bodhi and createrepo. Novell did some work to unify the metadata for delta rpms http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/314 That's more of the background story. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Sun Sep 6 14:52:48 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight update - finally up to date! Message-ID: <4AA3CCC0.7040307@redhat.com> After multiple failed attempts to keep the FI wikipage up to date, I finally realized the way to keep it up to date was to link to our ticketing system, since *that* is up to date. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority (from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#What.27s_happening) Everything seems to be going along pretty well - there's one infra-related thing that we're blocking on and need to resolve soon, which is repackaging fasauth (which is now useful for all zikula instances rather than specifically tuned to what FI needs - docs folks, I think it's ready for you now). I've been told this should be pretty easy for someone who Knows Packaging. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/26 I can take it if someone is willing to walk me through packaging on IRC (I should learn how to be a better packager at some point anyway, I've only done one package), but I'm sure somebody else can get this done much faster. ;) Please take this ticket if you can! The infrastructure side is chugging along nicely, and now it's time to turn our attention to FI content (which is the real reason we're putting it up anyway). That'll be the focus of this week's Marketing meeting, after many weeks of more logistical convos (thanks for putting up with them, everyone) - it's like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs. ;) --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 16:42:28 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > [Trimming the recipient list down a little bit.] > > *** AMBASSADORS: PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL *** > >> Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print issue >> for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands internationally with an >> F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, very cool. We're trying to figure >> out whether this is possible, whether we should do it, and (if both of those >> are "yes"), how the balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora >> community (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. >> >> We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it >> first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for F12 >> next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a project page >> at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. > > There are a few points that I'd like to add to this discussion. > > (1) Nothing has been decided yet -- as a collective, we need to think about > the ideas presented by LPM, as well as the timeline that we would have to > operate under, the content that we would need to produce, etc. > > (2) There is a price tag associated with this project, that (if we say yes > to it) will require us to get a bit clever with the way we plan for Fedora > 12 media, especially in North America and Europe (where the magazine is > published). > > If we say yes to this overall deal, it will get us three things: > > + Magazines (including the 32-bit DVD) on sale at news-stands and bookstores > in North America and Europe > > + 1,000 magazines (including DVD) shipped directly to the Fedora Project, > that we can do with as we choose. > > + 8,000 DVDs shipped directly to the Fedora Project, that we can do with as > we choose. > > That means 9,000 DVDS (and 1,000 magazines) that we would probably use as > the VAST MAJORITY of our media during the Fedora 12 cycle. > > We would probably *not* produce a large quantity of separate LiveCDs, which > has been the habit for the past several releases. > > Furthermore, the DVDs would come in plain white sleeves (not Fedora-designed > sleeves), and the artwork on the face of the DVD would be Fedora-related, > but would also have the Linux Pro Magazine logo on it. > > I would like to know how Ambassadors feel about this. In the longer term we really do want to move away from the Install DVD to a Live DVD that has more relevant applications and content -- as opposed to the kitchen-sink approach of the Install DVD. But nevertheless, most people choose the DVD over Live CD because it's perceived to be "more == better." Given that fact, and being rational about our budget, I think it makes sense to leverage this approach to provide most of our distributable media. If that's the standard Install DVD, I'm OK with that. We should ensure the general community understands the reasons for sticking with the install DVD for purposes of this promotion. Paul From jdieter at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 17:04:44 2009 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:04:44 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1252256685.31682.13.camel@jdlaptop.lesbg.loc> On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 11:42 -0500, Paul Frields wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > That means 9,000 DVDS (and 1,000 magazines) that we would probably use as > > the VAST MAJORITY of our media during the Fedora 12 cycle. > > > > We would probably *not* produce a large quantity of separate LiveCDs, which > > has been the habit for the past several releases. > In the longer term we really do want to move away from the Install DVD > to a Live DVD that has more relevant applications and content -- as > opposed to the kitchen-sink approach of the Install DVD. But > nevertheless, most people choose the DVD over Live CD because it's > perceived to be "more == better." > > Given that fact, and being rational about our budget, I think it makes > sense to leverage this approach to provide most of our distributable > media. If that's the standard Install DVD, I'm OK with that. We should > ensure the general community understands the reasons for sticking with > the install DVD for purposes of this promotion. Ok, random question. Could we produce a LiveDVD image that would include all of the packages on a normal DVD install (if you didn't customize your choice of packages)? Or does the desktop SIG have a LiveDVD image? Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But >> nevertheless, most people choose the DVD over Live CD because it's >> perceived to be "more == better." >> >> Given that fact, and being rational about our budget, I think it makes >> sense to leverage this approach to provide most of our distributable >> media. If that's the standard Install DVD, I'm OK with that. We should >> ensure the general community understands the reasons for sticking with >> the install DVD for purposes of this promotion. > > Ok, random question. ?Could we produce a LiveDVD image that would > include all of the packages on a normal DVD install (if you didn't > customize your choice of packages)? ?Or does the desktop SIG have a > LiveDVD image? > > Jonathan It would probably be much larger than what would on the regular DVD. As in 8GB versus 4 (especially if Live DVD's have to have src.rpms on them for licensing reasons.) -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 6 17:46:42 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:16:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora Insight update - finally up to date! In-Reply-To: <4AA3CCC0.7040307@redhat.com> References: <4AA3CCC0.7040307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA3F582.7080509@fedoraproject.org> On 09/06/2009 08:22 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > After multiple failed attempts to keep the FI wikipage up to date, I > finally realized the way to keep it up to date was to link to our > ticketing system, since *that* is up to date. > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority > > > (from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#What.27s_happening) > > Everything seems to be going along pretty well - there's one > infra-related thing that we're blocking on and need to resolve soon, > which is repackaging fasauth (which is now useful for all zikula > instances rather than specifically tuned to what FI needs - docs folks, > I think it's ready for you now). I've been told this should be pretty > easy for someone who Knows Packaging. > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/26 One of the packages I submitted is still waiting on review. Considering the urgency expressed in the request to the mailing list, that seems unusual. Status? Rahul From simon at zikula.org Sun Sep 6 18:49:12 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:49:12 +0100 Subject: Fedora Insight update - finally up to date! In-Reply-To: <4AA3F582.7080509@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AA3CCC0.7040307@redhat.com> <4AA3F582.7080509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <000601ca2f22$baf48120$30dd8360$@org> > On 09/06/2009 08:22 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > > After multiple failed attempts to keep the FI wikipage up to date, I > > finally realized the way to keep it up to date was to link to our > > ticketing system, since *that* is up to date. > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing- > team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+ > Insight&order=priority > > > > > > (from > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#What.27s_happening) > > > > Everything seems to be going along pretty well - there's one > > infra-related thing that we're blocking on and need to resolve soon, > > which is repackaging fasauth (which is now useful for all zikula > > instances rather than specifically tuned to what FI needs - docs > folks, > > I think it's ready for you now). I've been told this should be pretty > > easy for someone who Knows Packaging. > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/26 > > One of the packages I submitted is still waiting on review. Considering > the urgency expressed in the request to the mailing list, that seems > unusual. Status? So pagemaster has a bundled library, FilterUtil, which needs to be separated to a different package. This isn't quite as simple as it sounds, as the FilterUtil package needs to install to a different directory, and requires a minor code change. In short, the following needs to happen to pagemaster: Strip out classes/FilterUtil And the following needs to happen FilterUtil must be packaged as a separate class, installing to the config/classes directory in a Zikula installation. The source for this is here: http://code.zikula.org/filterutil/browser/trunk/ This file: http://code.zikula.org/filterutil/browser/trunk/FilterUtil.class.php Must be modified, on line 16, to change the path from the current 'includes/pnobjlib/FilterUtil' to 'config/classes'. The package needs to be submitted for approval. There is one further change to make. We need to choose between modifying the code to pagemaster (in at least one location: http://code.zikula.org/pagemaster/browser/trunk/modules/pagemaster/pnuserapi .php lines 303-306) or creating a symlink from config/classes/modules/pagemaster/classes/FilterUtil to config/classes/FilterUtil. Sadly, this is more complicated than it at first seems because no one ever expected FilterUtil to come up against Fedora packaging guidelines :) Simon From linux at blogmethat.net Sun Sep 6 19:25:37 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:25:37 -0400 Subject: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <4AA35A5F.2000000@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AA131AB.4040907@fedoraproject.org> <20090904231820.GC17025@localhost.localdomain><68DB5AAAB84146FF953B0812027EE898@AndyPCWin7Pro> <4AA35A5F.2000000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1DF18097F52045C89A3C6F4CE7139408@AndyPCWin7Pro> Thanks again I use Presto almost all the time as I am sure most Fedora 11 users do and it is good to know who is responsible for something we take for granted. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rahul Sundaram" Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:44 AM To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Subject: Re: Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 > On 09/06/2009 04:58 AM, Andrew Jamison wrote: >> OpenSUSE created the deltarpm? I did not know that! Thanks for that >> small but very important tidbit of information Paul! > > Novell developer Michael Schroeder wrote deltarpm long back. Jonathan > Dieter, a Fedora Project volunteer was doing something similar with > yum-presto (which itself had been earlier initiated by another > developer) when I pointed out that Novell had done work on it with > deltarpm and he adopted it for yum-presto. > > Seth Vidal, Luke Macken and others in Fedora infrastructure did the work > to integrate delta rpm generation with Bodhi and createrepo. Novell did > some work to unify the metadata for delta rpms > > http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/314 > > That's more of the background story. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 7 02:21:54 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:21:54 -0400 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA46E42.7010401@redhat.com> (Making sure we circle back to answer John's original questions as well) > Does anyone know the circulation or sales numbers. How many > "thousands" would get distributed via LPM? That's one of two pieces of information we've been asked to keep private at this time (the other is pricing), out of respect for LPM's business model. I'm personally quite happy with the numbers I've seen, though. --Mel From inode0 at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 02:30:59 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:30:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: <4AA46E42.7010401@redhat.com> References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> <4AA46E42.7010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > (Making sure we circle back to answer John's original questions as well) > >> Does anyone know the circulation or sales numbers. How many >> "thousands" would get distributed via LPM? > > That's one of two pieces of information we've been asked to keep private at > this time (the other is pricing), out of respect for LPM's business model. > I'm personally quite happy with the numbers I've seen, though. Well, it is an important factor to offset the negatives. At least to me I can't really say I would favor this or not from an ambassador perspective without having some idea of the magnitude. But now I'm curious about the other piece of private information, not what the number is but the pricing of what exactly? John From inode0 at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 04:14:38 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 23:14:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> <4AA46E42.7010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:30 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> (Making sure we circle back to answer John's original questions as well) >> >>> Does anyone know the circulation or sales numbers. How many >>> "thousands" would get distributed via LPM? >> >> That's one of two pieces of information we've been asked to keep private at >> this time (the other is pricing), out of respect for LPM's business model. >> I'm personally quite happy with the numbers I've seen, though. > > Well, it is an important factor to offset the negatives. At least to > me I can't really say I would favor this or not from an ambassador > perspective without having some idea of the magnitude. > > But now I'm curious about the other piece of private information, not > what the number is but the pricing of what exactly? Let me rephrase that question. Is having Fedora featured in LPM considered advertising in their business model? If it is then I think the folks who are privy to that information are the only ones in a position to make an intelligent judgment about whether this is worth doing. As an ambassador I can say (a) it sounds like a cool thing, (b) we could manage for a release cycle with fewer media options than we have now, and (c) I trust those who know the details of the arrangement to make a wise choice for the project. John From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 7 14:50:58 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:50:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> <4AA46E42.7010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA51DD2.6090905@redhat.com> >> But now I'm curious about the other piece of private information, not >> what the number is but the pricing of what exactly? Two things: 1. The cost of an individual magazine - how much it will cost to buy a copy from a newsstand. Note that Fedora would also get a whole bunch of copies to give to Ambassadors / other Fedora community members, so you wouldn't necessarily have to shell out for it yourself. 2. The cost of producing the magazine - the fee LPM would get (from Fedora/Red Hat) for providing printing, distribution, editorial, design, layout, writing, coaching-on-all-of-the-above, etc. services. Also, keep in mind that the decision right now isn't "print magazine with LPM for F12" or "no print magazine ever." It's "print magazine with LPM for F12" or "something else." Possible values for "something else" include deferring the decision (and the work) to F13, continuing to do our own thing, a whole bunch of other options not listed here, and combinations of all of the above. --Mel From inode0 at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 18:21:13 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:21:13 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Congratulations In-Reply-To: <20090817131507.GC3417@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090817131507.GC3417@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Red Hat has announced its 2009 RHCE of the Year winners, and if you > look here, you'll see a very recognizable name: > > http://bit.ly/g6Zto > > Congratulations to all the winners, including our very own John Rose, > whose participation in Fedora is highlightedin the announcement. > John, thanks to all you continue to do for Fedora, and it's wonderful > to see your many achievements recognized with this award. ?I look > forward to seeing you in Chicago in a few weeks! I'd like to thank Red Hat for making this an especially memorable Red Hat Summit for me and all those who have sent me messages in this thread and elsewhere. Some of those personal messages mean more to me than I can express. My submission tried to emphasize involvement in three intertwining communities: the Red Hat customer community, the #rhel community support channel on freenode, and the Fedora Project. And while singling people out to thank is problematic, I really feel I need to thank a few people who were instrumental in helping me find my way. M?ir?n Duffy in one way or another had a hand in my participating in all three communities. When someone's devotion to a community makes you wonder why she cares so much that you go to investigate the community yourself, well, you have an ace recruiter. merlinthp and delhage put up with my initial grumpiness long enough in #rhel to allow me time to find a place to fit in. If you want to learn how to run a public IRC channel that fosters a friendly and productive community go watch how Howard and Lars do it. A bit more than one year ago I blundered into being part of the rebirth of the Fedora Ambassador program in North America. gregdek made a commitment to empower ambassadors to take control of their own activities and this fundamental change in ownership resulted in the creation of FAmNA. It has been a joy to make a small contribution to the work of Clint, David, Brian, Pascal, and the rest of the FAmNA community over the subsequent months. John From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 8 00:00:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:00:11 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <5128a6c2099cec5f47ddf7db5aceaa5d@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 8 05:02:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:02:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <4AA5E562.4090902@redhat.com> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 8 05:06:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:06:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <4AA5E562.4090902@redhat.com> References: <4AA5E562.4090902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA5E649.8060606@redhat.com> On 09/08/2009 01:02 AM, Mel Chua wrote: ...and apparently I am redundant, because I did not see the first email go through. Time to train my spam filter to recognize myself as not-a-spammer. :) See you folks there! --mel From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Sep 8 14:44:43 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:44:43 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Reminder Message-ID: <4AA66DDB.1050302@redhat.com> Name Start End In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete Tue 2009-08-04 Tue 2009-09-29 Open call for release slogans Thu 2009-09-10 Thu 2009-09-10 Release slogan selection Thu 2009-09-10 Thu 2009-09-17 Complete drafts of Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Brief FAMSCo and Ambassaors on Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Announce final release slogan Thu 2009-09-17 Thu 2009-09-17 Coordinate with news beats authors about feature coverage Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-29 Finish in-depth feature profiles Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-10-06 From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 8 19:18:24 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:18:24 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Congratulations In-Reply-To: References: <20090817131507.GC3417@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1252437504.2898.1.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 13:21 -0500, inode0 wrote: > > A bit more than one year ago I blundered into being part of the > rebirth of the Fedora Ambassador program in North America. gregdek > made a commitment to empower ambassadors to take control of their own > activities and this fundamental change in ownership resulted in the > creation of FAmNA. It has been a joy to make a small contribution to > the work of Clint, David, Brian, Pascal, and the rest of the FAmNA > community over the subsequent months. John, congratulations! You going to be at the Ohio Linux Fest again this year? Later, /B -- Brian Pepple identi.ca: http://identi.ca/bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 8 21:53:47 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:53:47 -0400 Subject: Meeting notes 2009-09-08 Message-ID: <4AA6D26B.40307@redhat.com> Big topics discussed today. * Should we have an F12 slogan? * What is happening with the magazine proposal? To find out, see the [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.html minutes] and [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.log.html log]. --Mel From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Sep 9 02:04:42 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine In-Reply-To: References: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, Max Spevack wrote: > (1) Nothing has been decided yet -- as a collective, we need to think > about the ideas presented by LPM, as well as the timeline that we > would have to operate under, the content that we would need to > produce, etc. After reading up on the various threads over the weekend, and discussing with Mel, Paul, and folks in the Fedora Marketing meeting today, we decided that FOR THE TIME BEING, we are going to pass on this opportunity. There are several reasons why, which I discussed during today's Fedora Marketing meeting. For those who would like to read that over, please see here, starting at 20:39:27 in the log. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.log.html As always, any comments are welcome. I really like the way this entire idea was discussed, considered, etc. in (what I consider) a very public and transparent way. Thanks, Max From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:59:06 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:59:06 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Congratulations In-Reply-To: <1252437504.2898.1.camel@localhost> References: <20090817131507.GC3417@localhost.localdomain> <1252437504.2898.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Brian Pepple wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 13:21 -0500, inode0 wrote: >> >> A bit more than one year ago I blundered into being part of the >> rebirth of the Fedora Ambassador program in North America. gregdek >> made a commitment to empower ambassadors to take control of their own >> activities and this fundamental change in ownership resulted in the >> creation of FAmNA. It has been a joy to make a small contribution to >> the work of Clint, David, Brian, Pascal, and the rest of the FAmNA >> community over the subsequent months. > > John, congratulations! ?You going to be at the Ohio Linux Fest again > this year? Thanks Brian. With the Summit this month and FUDcon and the New Mexico GNU/Linux Fest in December I wasn't planning on anything else. But now that you've reminded me about OLF and I think back on how much fun it was I'm beginning to think about it too. And why stop there? UTOSC is coming up! John From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 04:58:58 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:58:58 -0400 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can, and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More Than I can speak about branding here. To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00010.html, please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.) The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things. 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other words, "us"). 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust? Some solutions proposed on the list so far: >>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page >>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static >>> content. Ugh. >>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been >>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was >>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about >>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't >>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content. >> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no idea >> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package maintainers >> but we're hoping to expand it out more... > developers.fedoracommunity.org ? > makeit.fedoracommunity.org? > I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community. My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have partially been answered in the discussion above. 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2, admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org) 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives, or IRC logs would be great.) 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many people would be affected, in what way?) --Mel From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 13:45:32 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CC BY-SA announcement drafts (also: holy crap ian did something!) In-Reply-To: <4AA2B3B1.2000701@redhat.com> References: <20090831213439.GC2798@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> <20090904235708.GE18490@calliope.phig.org> <4AA2B3B1.2000701@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > How is this press release getting released, when, and where-to? Sorry > I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion previously. It's nice that we've done this CC relicensing, and it's nice that we're making noise about it, but there is a difference between: * fedora-announce-list * blog entries * having either of those two picked up by something like LWN * a formal "press release" which we would want to get Red Hat's help with What are our goals for this particular announcement? --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 13:49:02 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. Whether on purpose or simply because there is a need to differentiate, most people refer to this as the Fedora Community Portal, at least that I've seen. Maybe it should have its own domain name, as opposed to what is currently a pretty convoluted domain name for what is a really awesome webapp? > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 > so far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. Given what we use *.fedoracommunity.org for, the main index page of fedoracommunity.org should (ignoring all design options) make it easy for people to find out what all the subdomains are, right? --Max From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 10 14:02:30 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:02:30 +0200 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780909100702hc4e499bu5d870522e7d0c14b@mail.gmail.com> >> 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so >> far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as >> http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). >> http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was supposed to >> be a directory for all such homepages. > > Given what we use *.fedoracommunity.org for, the main index page of > fedoracommunity.org should (ignoring all design options) make it easy for > people to find out what all the subdomains are, right? Along with a map of those local communities, like the one Susmit made... :-? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:37:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:41 -0400 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can, > and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More > Than I can speak about branding here. > > To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe > conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for > myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00010.html, > please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.) > > The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things. > > 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other > words, "us"). > > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. > > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so > far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. > > Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two > websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be > renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust? > > Some solutions proposed on the list so far: > >>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page >>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static >>>> content. Ugh. > >>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been >>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was >>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about >>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't >>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content. > >>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no idea >>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package maintainers >>> but we're hoping to expand it out more... > >> developers.fedoracommunity.org ? >> makeit.fedoracommunity.org? >> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community. > > My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have > partially been answered in the discussion above. > > 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2, > admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org) #2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase its coverage beyond that group #3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope > 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical > reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives, > or IRC logs would be great.) [[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3). > 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of > renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many > people would be affected, in what way?) If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming that one is probably the better option. If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and probably #2 too). Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? Other? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 14:55:38 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:55:38 -0400 Subject: CC BY-SA announcement drafts (also: holy crap ian did something!) In-Reply-To: References: <20090831213439.GC2798@hovercraft.mobile.ianweller.org> <20090904235708.GE18490@calliope.phig.org> <4AA2B3B1.2000701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AA9136A.6080200@redhat.com> > What are our goals for this particular announcement? Made a ticket, set ianweller as the owner, and put my recommended answer to this question in the first comment: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/31#comment:1 Docs, waiting on y'all to tell us what you want from us. ;) --Mel From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 10 15:00:05 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Zikula theme status Message-ID: <4AA91475.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Sorry, I mussed up the address for this list. :( ~m -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Zikula theme status Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:42:30 -0400 From: M?ir??n Duffy To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com , fedora-marketing-list at fedoraproject.org Hi, I've spent the past couple of days poking at the Zikula theme, and I'm at the point now that I don't think I can progress much further without some assistance. I have a bunch of other stuff on my plate too (more importantly, the www.fpo redesign work) so I need to move on for now, but I hope to get back to Zikula this weekend or sometime next week if I could get some help moving forward. First of all, here's what we have so far: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ Here's some of the issues I've been wrestling with: ? Images - This is my biggest concern right now. If you want to post an image in an article, you can't. It won't let you. It just spits out the img tag in plain text. :( ? Comments - I don't know how to get comments forms to appear beneath articles. From searching the Zikula forums, I found out thatEZcomments is a plugin that does it, but we don't seem to have it installed and I'm not sure if it's okay to install. ? RSS - I don't know how to do this. We need one feed for all articles and ideally at some point in the future a podcast and vodcast feed. ? Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather hacky. ? Links for sidebar articles - can't get them, variable is a mystery. When I use the usual variables all the sidebar article links (e.g., individual event details links) come up blank or point to the main article being displayed. * Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign 'today's feature' to an article?) Any help is greatly appreciated! I hope you like the progress so far. Thanks, ~m From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 17:55:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:55:13 -0400 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AA93D81.9020904@redhat.com> > Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups > using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a > renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that > with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? > Other? I think Logistics is the right list for this, since it involves Websites, Infrastructure, and (eventually, when we need to do a marketing campaign for whatever new names go out there) Marketing, so I'd start a thread there and send a message to each list saying "hey, this discussion is happening in Logistics, ." /me is also happy to do the legwork on this if desired. ;) --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 19:12:53 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:12:53 -0400 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <4AA93D81.9020904@redhat.com> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> <4AA93D81.9020904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090910191253.GK17135@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:55:13PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >> Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups >> using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a >> renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that >> with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? >> Other? > > I think Logistics is the right list for this, since it involves > Websites, Infrastructure, and (eventually, when we need to do a > marketing campaign for whatever new names go out there) Marketing, so > I'd start a thread there and send a message to each list saying "hey, > this discussion is happening in Logistics, ." > > /me is also happy to do the legwork on this if desired. ;) Heherson from the ph.fc.o-using community got in touch with me just a few minutes ago -- yay list email! -- and had this to say: ping stickster azneita: pong Hi azneita, what can I do for you? about the ph.fedoracommunity.org domain on the list what are the current plans for it? So there was a ticket filed for that -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1221 Ah, sorry: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/946 azneita: So the DNS entry exists for that host nah. about the branding conflict with fedora community app azneita: There's been a discussion on Websites list (and Markeing) azneita: Heh, yeah -- just getting to that I think one of the questions we have to answer is, how much pain does renaming either of these properties cause azneita: Since I have you here... :-) What can you tell me about how that would affect ph.fc.o? for our case, we pretty much maintains two dns entries for the sites - ph.fc.o and fedora.bluepoint.com.ph In other words, if we were to move the 2nd level domain to, say, "fedoralocales.org" (just an example, not really a name yet) -- what kind of problems would that cause for your community in the Phillipines? pretty much little just a bunch of link rots but they are minimal --> k0k (n=k0k at fedora/k0k) has joined #fedora-ambassadors that's only for us though -- don't know about the other guys we sort of liked fedoracommunity though :D -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 19:14:14 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:44:14 +0530 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. Message-ID: Hi, This came out accidentally during this FAmSCo meet. We have a lot of contacts in different linux mags https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications Can we act as a liaison between the mags and interested in-house writers so that we can promote fedora better? For example, we have a list of topics here http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/author/topicsdue So if we publish one or two articles on each relevant topic (relating fedora with it) and if we repeat it for most of the mags, we will have a lot of articles in no time. The basic idea is to poke the contacts about what they need and poke the writers to write on it keeping a focus on promoting fedora. What's say? Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From herson at azneita.org Thu Sep 10 19:15:47 2009 From: herson at azneita.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:15:47 +0800 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can, > > and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More > > Than I can speak about branding here. > > > > To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe > > conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for > > myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00010.html > , > > please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.) > > > > The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things. > > > > 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other > > words, "us"). > > > > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep > > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. > > > > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so > > far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as > > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). > > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was > > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. > > > > Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two > > websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be > > renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust? > > > > Some solutions proposed on the list so far: > > > >>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page > >>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static > >>>> content. Ugh. > > > >>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been > >>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was > >>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about > >>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't > >>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content. > > > >>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no > idea > >>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package > maintainers > >>> but we're hoping to expand it out more... > > > >> developers.fedoracommunity.org ? > >> makeit.fedoracommunity.org? > >> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community. > > > > My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have > > partially been answered in the discussion above. > > > > 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2, > > admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org) > > #2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly > real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now > it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase > its coverage beyond that group > > #3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at > which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are > provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both > appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to > discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope > > > 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical > > reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives, > > or IRC logs would be great.) > > [[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the > perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3). > > > 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of > > renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many > > people would be affected, in what way?) > > If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has > spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming > that one is probably the better option. > > If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that > I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the > naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't > think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the > fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough > interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was > discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going > through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an > FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such > things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and > probably #2 too). > > Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups > using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a > renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that > with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? > Other? > I believe all of the other Filipino Fedora Ambassadors will agree on me on this - we're agreeable to anything the Board deems fit for our local community domain. This is basically just echoing what Engels posted to the Board's list a while back [1]. [1] http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-advisory-board/256150-community-domain-request.html > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org +63.908.885.5428 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >> > I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can, >> > and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More >> > Than I can speak about branding here. >> > >> > To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe >> > conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for >> > myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00010.html >> , >> > please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.) >> > >> > The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things. >> > >> > 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other >> > words, "us"). >> > >> > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep >> > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. >> > >> > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 >> so >> > far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as >> > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). >> > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was >> > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. >> > >> > Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two >> > websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be >> > renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust? >> > >> > Why don't we just add a list of *.fedoracommunity.org sites on the sidebar of Fedora Community Portal which resides on fedoracommunity.org. The portal already caters to our developers and blogging contributors, can't we do the same for our local communities. Likewise, it will make the portal more like a one-stop showcase of what Fedora have - fantastic developers, energetic contributors and vibrant local communities. That's already Features, Friends, Freedom, and First for you. > > Some solutions proposed on the list so far: >> > >> >>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page >> >>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static >> >>>> content. Ugh. >> > >> >>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been >> >>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was >> >>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about >> >>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't >> >>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content. >> > >> >>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no >> idea >> >>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package >> maintainers >> >>> but we're hoping to expand it out more... >> > >> >> developers.fedoracommunity.org ? >> >> makeit.fedoracommunity.org? >> >> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community. >> > >> > My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have >> > partially been answered in the discussion above. >> > >> > 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2, >> > admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org) >> >> #2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly >> real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now >> it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase >> its coverage beyond that group >> >> #3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at >> which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are >> provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both >> appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to >> discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope >> >> > 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical >> > reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives, >> > or IRC logs would be great.) >> >> [[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the >> perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3). >> >> > 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of >> > renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many >> > people would be affected, in what way?) >> >> If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has >> spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming >> that one is probably the better option. >> >> If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that >> I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the >> naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't >> think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the >> fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough >> interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was >> discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going >> through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an >> FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such >> things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and >> probably #2 too). >> >> Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups >> using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a >> renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that >> with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? >> Other? >> > > I believe all of the other Filipino Fedora Ambassadors will agree on me on > this - we're agreeable to anything the Board deems fit for our local > community domain. This is basically just echoing what Engels posted to the > Board's list a while back [1]. > > [1] > http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-advisory-board/256150-community-domain-request.html > > > >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ >> gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > > -- > Heherson Pagcaliwagan > http://project.azneita.org > +63.908.885.5428 > -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org +63.908.885.5428 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 21:22:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:22:17 -0400 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> > We have a lot of contacts in different linux mags > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications > > Can we act as a liaison between the mags and interested in-house > writers so that we can promote fedora better? > The basic idea is to poke the contacts about what they need and poke > the writers to write on it keeping a focus on promoting fedora. I think this is a great idea - to me, it sounds like the NDN (News Distribution Network), which Steven Moix (on the Marketing list, and cc'd) has been driving forward. Susmit, does https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_%28NDN%29 sound like the idea that came up at FamSCo? If so, do you think you could work with Steven to make this something that Ambassadors could use and help with more as well? (If not, what's missing?) --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 21:33:04 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:33:04 -0400 Subject: Fedoracommunity.org index page In-Reply-To: References: <20090908110837.GA10416@localhost.localdomain> <4AA66196.1050100@linuxgrrl.com> <20090908190835.GO17775@localhost.localdomain> <4AA81706.9030305@linuxgrrl.com> <80d7e4090909091456t11d04e74y10d918a5ee88050e@mail.gmail.com> <4AA88792.7030906@redhat.com> <20090910143741.GA17135@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090910213304.GS17135@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:34:26AM +0800, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: > Why don't we just add a list of *.[8]fedoracommunity.org sites on > the sidebar of Fedora Community Portal which resides on > [9]fedoracommunity.org. The portal already caters to our > developers and blogging contributors, can't we do the same for > our local communities. Likewise, it will make the portal more > like a one-stop showcase of what Fedora have - fantastic > developers, energetic contributors and vibrant local > communities. That's already Features, Friends, Freedom, and First > for you. I think the idea of our main collaboration portal linking up various resources is a great thing. The main problem is that it's going to be confusing to people who don't know anything about either fedoracommunity.org or the portal site. They'll have a lot of trouble distinguishing between the two when they visit either one as a result of hearing about it. We are definitely not trying to keep our Friends separated from each other! :-) I think everyone wants to find a way to ensure that people visiting any sites, whether they're on our infrastructure or not, are not confused about what to expect. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 10 21:34:09 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:34:09 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Delivers Grant To Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science Message-ID: <20090910213409.GB2726@alpha.rzhou.org> Red Hat Summit ? Chicago ? Sept. 1, 2009 ? Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT), the world's leading provider of open source solutions, today announced that it has gifted a grant to Carnegie Mellon University?s School of Computer Science (SCS) to create a state-of-the-art, open source computer laboratory. The laboratory, which will be officially dedicated later this year, will be available to all students, faculty and staff to promote the development and use of free and open source software. http://news.cs.cmu.edu/article.php?a=1029 As a CMU student, this (and what the plans are for this lab) are all of great interest to me, so if anybody knows who's driving this, I'd really love to hear more information about this! Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are too! --Max From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 22:08:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:08:32 -0400 Subject: Marketing research drafts (thanks, Robyn!) Message-ID: <4AA978E0.4060102@redhat.com> The amazing Robyn Bergeron strikes again - we have the beginnings of a Real Market Research Strategy. Woo! See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research for the good stuff, and help fill in the stubs if you can. In particular, we're looking for answers to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Questions_to_Answer. Thanks, Robyn! --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 22:21:10 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:21:10 -0700 Subject: Marketing research drafts (thanks, Robyn!) In-Reply-To: <4AA978E0.4060102@redhat.com> References: <4AA978E0.4060102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90909101521l5e16c6eeuf00ba5dc35473168@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Mel! I'm still adding things myself - so definitely keep an eye out (you know, goals seemed like a good thing to fill in still :) ). I'll send out more info as things progress. Robyn On 9/10/09, Mel Chua wrote: > The amazing Robyn Bergeron strikes again - we have the beginnings of a > Real Market Research Strategy. Woo! See > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research for the good stuff, > and help fill in the stubs if you can. > > In particular, we're looking for answers to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Questions_to_Answer. > > Thanks, Robyn! > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 00:55:40 2009 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:55:40 -0800 Subject: Red Hat Delivers Grant To Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: References: <20090910213409.GB2726@alpha.rzhou.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910909101755x5f536a4dwd698dc10201c38d7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > That's me, and when we have more news (which we will), you'll see it on my > blog, and several other public places. > > Glad you're excited, Ricky. ?We are too! You and I need to talk about the far reaching long term positive impact of a Red Hat grant for an espresso machine in a certain Alaskan research institution. -jef From tuanta at iwayvietnam.com Fri Sep 11 01:19:58 2009 From: tuanta at iwayvietnam.com (Truong Anh. Tuan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:19:58 +0700 (ICT) Subject: Red Hat Delivers Grant To Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30855726.121252631997974.JavaMail.root@z.iwayvietnam.com> ----- "Max Spevack" wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > > http://news.cs.cmu.edu/article.php?a=1029 > > > > As a CMU student, this (and what the plans are for this lab) are all > > > of great interest to me, so if anybody knows who's driving this, I'd > > > really love to hear more information about this! > > That's me, and when we have more news (which we will), you'll see it > on > my blog, and several other public places. Also on my blog. > > Glad you're excited, Ricky. We are too! Great to hear this. Hope this could happen in Vietnam soon :) Kind regards, Tuan From simon at zikula.org Fri Sep 11 02:21:42 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:21:42 +0100 Subject: Zikula theme status In-Reply-To: <4AA91475.9030400@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AA91475.9030400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <014c01ca3286$9b558500$d2008f00$@org> > ? Images - This is my biggest concern right now. If you want to post an > image in an article, you can't. It won't let you. It just spits out the > img tag in plain text. :( I've fixed this - it's normally a security precaution (for the technical amongst you, think CSRF/Cross site scripting). Doesn't apply here, because we have limited admin access. > ? Comments - I don't know how to get comments forms to appear beneath > articles. From searching the Zikula forums, I found out thatEZcomments > is a plugin that does it, but we don't seem to have it installed and > I'm > not sure if it's okay to install. We should have this packaged - if not, it's an easy one to add > ? RSS - I don't know how to do this. We need one feed for all articles > and ideally at some point in the future a podcast and vodcast feed. So this is the RSS module, which has been packaged. > ? Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not > sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather > hacky. You can do this via the template - if I can catch you on IRC I can take you through it. > ? Links for sidebar articles - can't get them, variable is a mystery. > When I use the usual variables all the sidebar article links (e.g., > individual event details links) come up blank or point to the main > article being displayed. In the blocks? I'll have to go through this one on IRC as well. > * Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full > blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do > this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign > 'today's feature' to an article?) So this is slightly counter-intuitive, and complicated (unnecessarily so, I smell a feature request...) Another thing I'll take you through on IRC. > Any help is greatly appreciated! I hope you like the progress so far. I think it looks *great*. Thanks for all your work, and figuring this stuff out on your own :) Simon From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 02:25:34 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:55:34 +0530 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> References: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> Message-ID: > I think this is a great idea - to me, it sounds like the NDN (News > Distribution Network), which Steven Moix (on the Marketing list, and cc'd) > has been driving forward. > Susmit, does https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_%28NDN%29 sound like the idea that came up > at FamSCo? No, not entirely. I was not talking about news. I was talking about technical/non-technical articles, though news and articles can be distributed through the same channel. Also, this need not be confined to ambassadors only. The idea was like this: For example, If a magazine is going to have an issue on Localisation, the team will ensure there is an article on Transifex if someone is interested to write it. (I bet there will be :)) Or if a magazine is going to roll out an issue on IT infrastructure, the team will ensure that someone writes about puppet and so on. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 05:06:38 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:06:38 -0400 Subject: Call for release slogan suggestions Message-ID: <4AA9DADE.8080707@redhat.com> (Marketing folks - please take this out to other lists and teams you think would be interested! I'd like to have a Marketing liason driving this discussion in every other list.) We need a slogan for the F12 release. It will be chosen one week from now on 9/17. A release slogan is a short call-to-action that fits the artwork theme from Design, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan#Themes. (F11's slogan was "Reign," F10's was "Fire it up!") Please put your slogan ideas here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan#New_slogan_ideas. Feel free to discuss slogan ideas on this and other mailing lists - but also make sure to put your ideas in that table on that wiki page so they'll be counted. The deadline for submissions is Tuesday 9/15 at 20:00 UTC, which is our next Marketing meeting (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings). We'll be discussing submissions there, and then Mo Duffy will take that input and select the final slogan on behalf of the Design team on Thursday 9/17. Let me know if you have any questions/comments/concerns - and let the wiki table know if you have any ideas! Go! --Mel From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 11 13:23:02 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:23:02 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Zikula theme status Message-ID: <4AAA4F36.6000102@fedoraproject.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Zikula theme status Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:14:38 -0400 From: M?ir?n Duffy To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com , For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Here's an update on where we're at now. Thanks to itbegins and affix for helping me out today! Here's the stuff still needing to be resolved: ? Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather hacky. ? Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign 'today's feature' to an article?) ? EZComments packaging - we need someone to package this ASAP. Any takers? Here's the stuff that was resolved: On 09/10/2009 09:42 AM, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > ? Images - This is my biggest concern right now. If you want to post an > image in an article, you can't. It won't let you. It just spits out the > img tag in plain text. :( Simon fixed this :) It had been disabled because of security reasons but since only admins can edit articles it's probably okay. > > ? Comments - I don't know how to get comments forms to appear beneath > articles. From searching the Zikula forums, I found out thatEZcomments > is a plugin that does it, but we don't seem to have it installed and I'm > not sure if it's okay to install. We need to have EZComments packaged - it not being installed is the reason the comments tags aren't working for me. > ? RSS - I don't know how to do this. We need one feed for all articles > and ideally at some point in the future a podcast and vodcast feed. affix wrote a custom RSS feed but Simon pointed out Zikula has this pre-built in, it was just broken (bc of a config setting I tweaked, sorrys :( ) and it works now. > ? Links for sidebar articles - can't get them, variable is a mystery. > When I use the usual variables all the sidebar article links (e.g., > individual event details links) come up blank or point to the main > article being displayed. Simon figured this one out. :) ~m From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 14:28:23 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:28:23 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <1248460104.2644.83.camel@echristensen.tkctech.com> <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> Thanks for asking, Dale. On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight > I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > actually be used. The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable timing. Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her work was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality in Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow for News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about this. > I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my account > authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by default on the test instance, so you can go to https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for the live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the workflow you would like. > I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. I'm > having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask you." Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be that hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes it is to have the News team carve it out. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 14:36:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:36:28 -0400 Subject: Zikula theme status In-Reply-To: <4AA9DCBE.7000001@linuxgrrl.com> References: <4AA90246.5030503@redhat.com> <4AA9DCBE.7000001@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <4AAA606C.9080507@redhat.com> > Here's the stuff still needing to be resolved: I put this on https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/66 so people can comment on the ticket and such when they're done, too. > ? Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not > sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather > hacky. > > ? Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full > blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do > this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign > 'today's feature' to an article?) > > ? EZComments packaging - we need someone to package this ASAP. Any takers? From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:36:17 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:36:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> References: <1248460104.2644.83.camel@echristensen.tkctech.com> <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090911183617.GC11347@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight >> I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would >> actually be used. > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable timing. > Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her work > was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality in > Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow for > News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about this. > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my account >> authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by default > on the test instance, so you can go to > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for the > live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the > workflow you would like. > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. I'm >> having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask you." > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be that > hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes it > is to have the News team carve it out. ;) It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any topical area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can be organized or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind of hazy and conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and navigation on the site work to support something like: http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts ... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:41:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:41:41 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Toronto 2009 update! Message-ID: <20090911184141.GD11347@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Howdy Fedora friends and neighbors, Here's an update on the upcoming FUDCon in Toronto, being held December 5-7. Before the details, I want to give some special thanks and recognition to Chris Tyler of Seneca College in Toronto for his continued, invaluable assistance in setting up FUDCon. His help made it possible to establish a lot of these logistics while we were also preparing for Fedora presence at the Red Hat Summit last week. Thanks Chris! You'll find a lot of the details up at the FUDCon wiki page here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 FUDCon is free and open to *everyone* to attend. The wiki page is chock full of details, but if you'd rather see the highlights now, just read on... * * * HELP US PLAN! - ------------- In the spirit of transparency and openness, we're trying to make the planning process of FUDCon as easy to participate in as possible. Edit the wiki pages and let us know what you would like to see, join the discussion list at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning, and join us every Thursday at 2000 UTC (4:00pm US Eastern) in IRC Freenode at #fudcon-planning for FUDCon planning meetings. GENERAL SCHEDULE - ---------------- We are holding FUDCon from Saturday through Monday, December 5-7. The first day, Saturday, will be the day of technical sessions. The second and third days will be hackfest days where people can gather to work on some of the projects they've seen on Saturday, or anything near and dear to their heart. We'll maintain a wiki listing of everything going on, updated throughout the event to provide timely information on what's happening where, when, and with whom. At any time you'll be able to visit the page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 to see all the details. PRE-REGISTRATION - ---------------- Pre-registration is now open on the main FUDCon wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Pre-registration Remember that although you're not required to pre-register, when you do pre-register for the event you're eligible to receive a special gift at the sign-in desk at FUDCon. There will probably be a limit to the number of people we can pre-register, so sign up today! But don't worry -- if you miss pre-registration, remember that FUDCon as always is *free and open* for anyone to attend. We are happy to have anyone attend, learn, participate, and contribute. LODGING - ------- We've secured rooms at the very comfortable Hilton Garden Inn Toronto/Vaughan, with a single/double occupancy rate of CDN $105/night (currently about USD $98). We've also secured discount vouchers for the daily breakfast buffet to further help contain attendees' costs. Visit this pre-set URL to register at the hotel: http://bit.ly/fudcon-hgi-toronto-2009 ** NOTE: Our name is misspelled as "FEDCon" at the registration page, a simple snafu with the hotel. We're working on getting it fixed ASAP! You don't have to wait for FUDCon pre-registration to register at the hotel. If you are looking to room-share and don't have a roommate, you'll be able to mark that on the pre-registration and we'll do an assignment for you. TECHNICAL SESSIONS - ------------------ Not all of the technical sessions will be in the BarCamp format at FUDCon this year. That's a change from previous formats. Some will be pre-selected so that we can make sure to cover a wide variety of audience interests, since we frequently have more talks proposed than available space. *NOW* is the time to start adding content! Go to this URL and add your talk now: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Technical_sessions FUDPUB - ------ Ah, the world-(in)famous FUDPub! We are reserving a large party space at Dave & Busters (http://daveandbusters.com) which happens to be walking distance from the hotel. Yes, even in December in Toronto! We'll gather there for billiards, snooker, general merriment, and of course access to their midway full of entertainment. We'll provide dinner and non-alcoholic beverages for pre-registrants. The venue also has a wide variety of additional libations available for those so inclined. Ah, but don't party *too* hard, because starting the next day we'll have... HACKFESTS - --------- As always, we will feature plenty of hacking -- design work, coding, documentation, general brainstorming, planning -- going on throughout the hackfest days Sunday and Monday. If you hear about something you like on the technical session day, chances are you'll be able to sit down with people on Sunday and Monday, learn more, and hack on it! If you're presenting a technical session, give some serious consideration to how you can make your subject matter hackable. Then invite people to get together with you the next day to work on it! You can start by adding information about your hackfest in advance. Visit this URL and add what you'll be working on: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Hackfests More information will be forthcoming as it develops! - -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKqpnlrNvJN70RNxcRApVuAKDWq7S4kFEcUagLywpnexpUJG8zlACgg6Kl TulrYZytVEODthDvKelaSuk= =w/XB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 23:14:19 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:14:19 -0400 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: References: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AAAD9CB.4030400@redhat.com> > The idea was like this: > > For example, If a magazine is going to have an issue on Localisation, > the team will ensure there is an article on Transifex if someone is > interested to write it. (I bet there will be :)) > > Or if a magazine is going to roll out an issue on IT infrastructure, > the team will ensure that someone writes about puppet and so on. ...oh hey, that's even better - I love this idea. Would you be interested in starting and leading it for the F12 cycle (now-November)? How do we find out what magazines will be writing about before they publish? I've seen mailing lists like http://helpareporter.com/ that let reporters query a wide range of people about the articles they're writing, but that's all I can think of at the moment, and that only helps us with articles reporters are already writing, and not with getting new Fedora-authored articles into themed issues. --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 23:24:29 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:24:29 -0700 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: <4AAAD9CB.4030400@redhat.com> References: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> <4AAAD9CB.4030400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90909111624y6ae627cai3c6f732be0dc8a01@mail.gmail.com> A lot of "industry"-type magazines will have an editorial calendar that they make available, usually a year-ish in advance, via their websites. A lot of the trade mags dedicate certain months to certain topics, which are published on the calendar, so we'd want to look for things like "linux" (obviously) or more narrow topics (an issue on robotics could have a story on the use of linux in robotics, etc). If we have a list of magazines, we could divide it up a few ways and hunt down the appropriate info; if we don't have a list of magazines, someone could start putting one together. Cheers, tgif :) -robyn On 9/11/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> The idea was like this: >> >> For example, If a magazine is going to have an issue on Localisation, >> the team will ensure there is an article on Transifex if someone is >> interested to write it. (I bet there will be :)) >> >> Or if a magazine is going to roll out an issue on IT infrastructure, >> the team will ensure that someone writes about puppet and so on. > > ...oh hey, that's even better - I love this idea. Would you be > interested in starting and leading it for the F12 cycle (now-November)? > > How do we find out what magazines will be writing about before they > publish? I've seen mailing lists like http://helpareporter.com/ that let > reporters query a wide range of people about the articles they're > writing, but that's all I can think of at the moment, and that only > helps us with articles reporters are already writing, and not with > getting new Fedora-authored articles into themed issues. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 03:20:32 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:50:32 +0530 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90909111624y6ae627cai3c6f732be0dc8a01@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> <4AAAD9CB.4030400@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90909111624y6ae627cai3c6f732be0dc8a01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > A lot of "industry"-type magazines will have an editorial calendar > that they make available, usually a year-ish in advance, via their > websites. > A lot of the trade mags dedicate certain months to certain > topics, which are published on the calendar, so we'd want to look for > things like "linux" (obviously) or more narrow topics (an issue on > robotics could have a story on the use of linux in robotics, etc). Exactly. I pointed out one in my first mail http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/author/topicsdue Even if there is not, we can work with the magazine contacts and know it. It is a "mutual" thing, they need article to print, we need to promote fedora. :) > we have a list of magazines, we could divide it up a few ways and hunt > down the appropriate info; if we don't have a list of magazines, > someone could start putting one together. We do (Thanks Rodrigo for pointing this): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications We can add a "Topic Due" link to it. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 12 04:22:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:22:26 -0400 Subject: A group/workflow for regularly poking the magazine contacts and writers. In-Reply-To: References: <4AA96E09.2010003@redhat.com> <4AAAD9CB.4030400@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90909111624y6ae627cai3c6f732be0dc8a01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAB2202.7070103@redhat.com> Thanks, Robyn! Susmit, this is a great idea. I'm trying to think what the fastest way to get it started would be... Would you like to get together a team that watches the publications on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications and makes "someone should write about this!" tickets in the Marketing queue (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket)? That way it hits our radar and we know to pick the author-finding and writing up. It would be great to have more targeted assignments for Marketing writers to pick up on, especially with Fedora Insight launching soon. (A write-a-thon at FUDCon might not be a bad idea, actually - maybe as part of the zikula sprint if that goes through.) > Even if there is not, we can work with the magazine contacts and know it. > It is a "mutual" thing, they need article to print, we need to promote > fedora. :) Exactly. :) --Mel From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sun Sep 13 18:47:16 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:47:16 -0400 Subject: Center for Student Innovation at RIT =?iso-8859-1?q?=BB_Blog_Arch?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ive_=BB_Classroom_Spotlight=3A_One_Laptop_per_Child?= Message-ID: <4AAD3E34.7050002@webpath.net> http://www.rit.edu/academicaffairs/centerforstudentinnovation/?p=526 A strong community of people with the passion to improve the hardware, software, and content of the devices has grown through the OLPC Wiki right here in Rochester. 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Thanks for the advance notice - and good luck defending your project! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 14 02:54:21 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:54:21 -0400 Subject: First Marketing HOWTO (write a press release) Message-ID: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> While writing this week's FWN beat, I threw stuff from the recent CC press release discussion on a wikipage. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_write_a_press_release I figured this would be a good section to start as we accumulate more collective Knowledge of Marketing: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Marketing_HOWTOs. (For an idea of what I'm hoping we'll end up with, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs.) --Mel From irashadul at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 04:08:56 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:08:56 -0400 Subject: First Marketing HOWTO (write a press release) In-Reply-To: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> References: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580909132108i65047738jbffb53323454a64@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > While writing this week's FWN beat, I threw stuff from the recent CC press > release discussion on a wikipage. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_write_a_press_release > > I figured this would be a good section to start as we accumulate more > collective Knowledge of Marketing: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Marketing_HOWTOs. (For an idea of > what I'm hoping we'll end up with, see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs.) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 Mel. It will help me a lot while contributing at the FWN beat too. To me it is very sensitive when someone working with the press releases and related press notes. Thanking you -Rashadul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 06:45:55 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:45:55 -0700 Subject: First Marketing HOWTO (write a press release) In-Reply-To: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> References: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080909132345t40678b3dn641b5026cd5b0a7a@mail.gmail.com> You have a paragraph on this wiki page that includes the following: "Press release worded so it can be copy/pasted into a news article by lazy journalists. Include quotations. End with contact details for someone they can talk to plus a url where they can get photos or video. Always remember: Journalists are lazy! They love it when you do their job for them. " There are several things wrong with this: -- Having a well-worded press release with supporting materials is something you should always provide journalists and media because it reflects a high degree of professionalism on the Fedora Project's part, as well as reflecting the quality of the product Fedora provides. Most marketing and public relations professionals will tell you that putting the best face on your product is the reason you do this, not because "journalists are lazy." -- Speaking personally, as a newspaper editor I appreciate the fact that I can find a well-written and informative press release while going through the 200-300 of them in an average workday. You can bet the farm that those releases generally get better attention than ones that are sloppy and unclear, no matter how "great" or deserving the subject matter might be. -- The news industry has gone though many transformations over the last several years, most of them not exactly positive ones. Primarily, in the wake of massive newsroom layoffs, some reporters and editors are doing two and three times the amount of work that they had been doing as recently as 18 months ago -- and that is the case in my situation. -- Having said this, when press releases are "worded so it can be copy/pasted" (whatever that means) into an article, this is appreciated by the overworked reporter/editor because a.) you've taken the time to be thorough with your information and background materials and b.) you have written something that takes little, if any, editing, and overworked reporters and editors appreciate the help. You're "not doing their job for them" as much as you're doing your "job" to get your information published. So you should consider rewriting this part of the wiki to reflect a more professional position toward the media. Larry Cafiero On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > While writing this week's FWN beat, I threw stuff from the recent CC press > release discussion on a wikipage. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_write_a_press_release > > I figured this would be a good section to start as we accumulate more > collective Knowledge of Marketing: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Marketing_HOWTOs. (For an idea of > what I'm hoping we'll end up with, see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs.) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at gnsa.us Mon Sep 14 07:18:04 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:18:04 -0400 Subject: First Marketing HOWTO (write a press release) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080909132345t40678b3dn641b5026cd5b0a7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> <7a0d56080909132345t40678b3dn641b5026cd5b0a7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > You have a paragraph on this wiki page that includes the following: > > "Press release worded so it can be copy/pasted into a news article by lazy > journalists. Include quotations. End with contact details for someone they > can talk to plus a url where they can get photos or video. Always remember: > Journalists are lazy! They love it when you do their job for them. " > > There are several things wrong with this: > > -- Having a well-worded press release with supporting materials is something > you should always provide journalists and media because it reflects a high > degree of professionalism on the Fedora Project's part, as well as > reflecting the quality of the product Fedora provides. Most marketing and > public relations professionals will tell you that putting the best face on > your product is the reason you do this, not because "journalists are lazy." > > -- Speaking personally, as a newspaper editor I appreciate the fact that I > can find a well-written and informative press release while going through > the 200-300 of them in an average workday. You can bet the farm that those > releases generally get better attention than ones that are sloppy and > unclear, no matter how "great" or deserving the subject matter might be. > > -- The news industry has gone though many transformations over the last > several years, most of them not exactly positive ones. Primarily, in the > wake of massive newsroom layoffs, some reporters and editors are doing two > and three times the amount of work that they had been doing as recently as > 18 months ago -- and that is the case in my situation. > > -- Having said this, when press releases are "worded so it can be > copy/pasted" (whatever that means) into an article, this is appreciated by > the overworked reporter/editor because a.) you've taken the time to be > thorough with your information and background materials and b.) you have > written something that takes little, if any, editing, and overworked > reporters and editors appreciate the help. You're "not doing their job for > them" as much as you're doing your "job" to get your information published. > > So you should consider rewriting this part of the wiki to reflect a more > professional position toward the media. Excellent input, Larry It's a wiki, please make changes boldly! From taljurf at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 14 20:01:06 2009 From: taljurf at fedoraproject.org (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:01:06 +0300 Subject: Marketing research drafts (thanks, Robyn!) Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0909141301q7b081436k19e78610480da5ee@mail.gmail.com> The amazing Robyn Bergeron strikes again - we have the beginnings of a Real Market Research Strategy. Woo! See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research for the good stuff, and help fill in the stubs if you can. In particular, we're looking for answers to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Questions_to_Answer. Thanks, Robyn! So where will we post survey results,statistics, discussions...?And is the a way to contact Robyn, he has no profile page. We should move with this people it's a very important strategy to spread fedora -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 20:04:53 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:04:53 -0700 Subject: Marketing research drafts (thanks, Robyn!) In-Reply-To: <12d8a2fa0909141301q7b081436k19e78610480da5ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d8a2fa0909141301q7b081436k19e78610480da5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90909141304g205fbb2r561d1f63411ec3d@mail.gmail.com> I'll be filling more in tonight. Maybe we can discuss for a few minutes in the mktg meeting tomorrow, Mel? I'll see if I can get my contact / details up somewhere. Robyn On 9/14/09, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: > The amazing Robyn Bergeron strikes again - we have the beginnings of a > Real Market Research Strategy. Woo! See > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research for the good stuff, > and help fill in the stubs if you can. > > In particular, we're looking for answers to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Questions_to_Answer. > > Thanks, Robyn! > > > So where will we post survey results,statistics, discussions...?And is the a > way to contact Robyn, he has no profile page. > > We should move with this people > it's a very important strategy to spread fedora > -- > Tareq Al Jurf > Fedora Ambassador > Riyadh, Saudi Arabia > taljurf at fedoraproject.org > From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 14 21:39:39 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:39:39 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Zikula theme status In-Reply-To: <4AAE6067.1080201@linuxgrrl.com> References: <4AAA4F36.6000102@fedoraproject.org> <4AAE6067.1080201@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <4AAEB81B.9090007@redhat.com> Update: Mo and Simon are working on the first two >> ? Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not >> sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather >> hacky. Done, yay for Mo and Simon! >> ? Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full >> blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do >> this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign >> 'today's feature' to an article?) ...and now they're working on this. >> ? EZComments packaging - we need someone to package this ASAP. Any >> takers? I'm working on this now. We're in #fedora-website if anyone would like to to join the fun. --Mel From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Sep 14 23:56:14 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:14 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Reminder Message-ID: <4AAED81E.5040900@redhat.com> Name Start End In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete Tue 2009-08-04 Tue 2009-09-29 Release slogan selection Thu 2009-09-10 Thu 2009-09-17 Brief FAMSCo and Ambassaors on Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Complete drafts of Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Announce final release slogan Thu 2009-09-17 Thu 2009-09-17 Coordinate with news beats authors about feature coverage Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-29 Finish in-depth feature profiles Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-10-06 Final (Beta) Freeze: Development Code Complete Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-09-29 Update press kits Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-10-06 From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 00:00:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:00:11 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 00:45:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:45:17 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Zikula theme status In-Reply-To: <4AAEB81B.9090007@redhat.com> References: <4AAA4F36.6000102@fedoraproject.org> <4AAE6067.1080201@linuxgrrl.com> <4AAEB81B.9090007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AAEE39D.9000400@redhat.com> >>> ? EZComments packaging - we need someone to package this ASAP. Done. I'm going to need a reviewer: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523343 - I based it on the other zikula module packages in the hopes that this would make the review process faster/cleaner/easier (...mostly faster). Tracking bug in Marketing: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/36. If you can pick up any part of this, let me know how I can unblock you - being on IRC at any particular time (I'll try to be on as much as I can this week), etc. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 01:28:19 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:28:19 -0400 Subject: Marketing research drafts (thanks, Robyn!) In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90909141304g205fbb2r561d1f63411ec3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d8a2fa0909141301q7b081436k19e78610480da5ee@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90909141304g205fbb2r561d1f63411ec3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAEEDB3.8050801@redhat.com> On 09/14/2009 04:04 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I'll be filling more in tonight. Maybe we can discuss for a few > minutes in the mktg meeting tomorrow, Mel? Absolutely. You're on the agenda - feel free to add anything else you think we need to discuss (this goes for everybody else here too!) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda > I'll see if I can get my contact / details up somewhere. No need - they're already on the FAS system; Tareq, if you log into https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community, you can search for rbergero (or anyone else).\ >> So where will we post survey results,statistics, discussions...? It is an open question. Ideas welcome! Again, the page to edit is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 01:34:59 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: First Marketing HOWTO (write a press release) In-Reply-To: References: <4AADB05D.4040809@redhat.com> <7a0d56080909132345t40678b3dn641b5026cd5b0a7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAEEF43.4070406@redhat.com> >> So you should consider rewriting this part of the wiki to reflect a more >> professional position toward the media. > > Excellent input, Larry > It's a wiki, please make changes boldly! I just went to look and see if I could fix this, and found that Larry had beaten me to it - many thanks, Larry! The page is much improved now, and - you're right - more professional. Thanks for the patch - both to the page and to the mindset (mine, at least). --Mel From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 10:56:10 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: Call for Review : FEL 12 Release Notes (draft) Message-ID: <50baabb30909150356i56c08aa3y475d4cf5c8dea8fc@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, We have drafted FEL'12 Release Notes, which we dearly want to hear your views. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/papers/FEL12ReleaseNotes.pdf As you have read on fedora planet, many universities and small startups are deploying Fedora Electronic Lab. Thus we hope that these release notes will help them deduce whether they need to upgrade to Fedora 12 or not with respect to their needs and design flow. As the document reflects, 42 packages for electronic design and simulation are now available for the EL-5 branch. The document also entails some details about various patches we have applied on our packages, which are not yet available under upstream stable release. I'm happy to say have most of our upstream accepted most of our patches, which is good news for the opensource eco-system. For those who are eager to try our nightly FEL spins, please find the ISO here http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/electronic-lab/ Cheers, Chitlesh Goorah From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 20:02:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:02:35 -0400 Subject: This week's task status Message-ID: <4AAFF2DB.9070705@redhat.com> Please pick up on something if you can! NEED STATUS ------------ get zikula-module-filterutil packaged and reviewed - https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/25 Solicit LUG proposals on FUDCon events - https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/18 NEED HELP ------------ Zikula help needed: Fedora Insight skin development https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/27 Package review needed: Package zikula-module-EZComments https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/36 Need to plan and execute a writing sprint: In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete - https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/20 FUDPub attendance logistics: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/34 OPEN TICKETS -------------- Ambassadors, write your stories: Prepare short stories for "I use Fedora" rotations on fp.o/FI https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 20:37:10 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:37:10 -0400 Subject: Podcasts for F12 Message-ID: <20090915203710.GS31932@localhost.localdomain> For the Fedora 11 release, Jack, Mo, and I did a series of podcasts on various topics from the Fedora 11 talking points. These podcasts consisted of short interviews with the people responsible for the features: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_release_podcasts Making one of these podcasts doesn't require you to be on-site with the person you're interviewing. You can do it with a set of simple command line utilities, along with the Fedora Talk service: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast I've been working on a simpler program that does more of the work for you, but it's not yet complete enough for me to recommend it to everyone. Of course, if you have your own way of making a podcast, that's just fine too. We do need to make both Ogg Vorbis and (eek) MP3 because we want to be able to reach people regardless of platform. What I would recommend is that we select four of the most compelling talking points, hopefully spanning the different interest groups. Then we ask for volunteers who would be willing to take up one of the subjects, and arrange an interview with someone about the subject. I can help find any Red Hat people involved, but it's not required that a Red Hat engineer be the interview subject. In fact, if someone's knowledgeable, they could do a monologue on the subject. The "draft" podcast would be put on the volunteer's fedorapeople.org site a week or two later, so people could download and critique (kindly!), and then allow time for editing if needed, a week or two. The final versions would be posted in an appropriate place and we could generate traffic pointers through macro- and micro-blogs, and so forth. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 21:31:53 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:31:53 -0400 Subject: Meeting notes 2009-09-15 Message-ID: <4AB007C9.9000905@redhat.com> They're up on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Highlights: * Talking points sprint tomorrow night * We've pretty much selected an F12 slogan! (Read the logs to find out which one, or wait for Mo's announcement of the final pick in 2 days.) * Marketing research is kicking ass. FUDCon sounds like a good opportunity to do feedback-gathering from potential users. * FI-infrastructure needs several critical blockers cleared this week; if you can make or review packages, we need your help. See https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority. * FI content for the September 28 launch will start off with... ** Some material from Martin Duffy's "Fedora Fun Projects" rotation ** Some material adapted from Fedora Planet over the next two weeks - Jonathan Roberts will be watching Planet for these ** Hopefully something from FWN - Dale Bewley is checking out the zikula interface this week to see how this might work. ** Other ideas people might have? --Mel PS: As a side note, I'm greatly looking forward to the FI infrastructure dust clearing so we can focus solely on content. After FI goes on staging (September 21) and the pace eases a bit and the dust clears, the infrastructure discussions about FI will move to the logistics list, and we'll be left with the content and marketing strategy on this list. From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 22:21:34 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:21:34 -0400 Subject: Volunteer needed to run next week's Marketing meeting Message-ID: <4AB0136E.3030702@redhat.com> I just realized that I'll be in a class (RHCE training) next week that conflicts with our normal Marketing meeting time. Would anyone be able to step up and chair next week's meeting at 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting? I'll help make the agenda and the weekly update, and will be online later that evening to catch up on notes and logs and put stuff into tickets and all, but need someone to run the actual meeting and moderate the discussion and make sure we get through all the topics we need to cover. Any volunteers? If you've never run a Fedora meeting before, this is a great way to start. :) I'd be happy to sit down with you on IRC for half an hour anytime between now and Sunday night to make sure you've got everything you need. Thanks! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 15 22:43:34 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:43:34 -0400 Subject: Talking points writing sprint Message-ID: <4AB01896.3090006@redhat.com> I'm going to be working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_talking_points tomorrow (Wednesday 9/16) at 2300 UTC in #fedora-mktg. Join me if you can (first-timers welcome - it's my first time too!) and we'll see if we can't get 'em all wrapped up then. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 06:34:48 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:34:48 -0400 Subject: Tracking FI infrastructure blockers in logistics Message-ID: <4AB08708.3060809@redhat.com> Those of you interested in the non-content, non-workflow aspects of FI might want to follow this thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-September/000231.html I'm going to try to keep the get-a-platform-up logistics on logistics (where they should be) and the strategic/content/writing/workflow discussions here in marketing (where they should be) from now on, so don't be surprised if a few threads get redirected. This way, we can actually focus on Marketing in the Marketing team, not -the-putting-up-of-various-infrastructure/design-bits-needed-to-make-Marketing-easier. --Mel From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Wed Sep 16 06:35:25 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight > >> I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > >> actually be used. > > > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > > > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable > timing. > > Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her > work > > was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality > in > > Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow > for > > News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about > this. > > > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my > account > >> authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. > > > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by > default > > on the test instance, so you can go to > > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > > > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for > the > > live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the > > workflow you would like. > > > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. > I'm > >> having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. > > > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask > you." > > > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be > that > > hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes > it > > is to have the News team carve it out. ;) > > It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any topical > area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can be > organized > or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind of hazy and > conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and navigation on the > site work to support something like: > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts > ... I'll admit to being somewhat curmudgeonly on the whole CMS idea, but I am doing my best to put that aside and give it a fair shake. :) I can see benefits, but wonder what barriers to entry it might create. I went back and read up on the fedora-news discussion of what was referred to as Fedora Journal and Project FooBar before being named Fedora Insight. Most of the conversation took place in July * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/thread.html Here are my repeatedly edited thoughts which may or may not make sense by this point. = How might it work? = FWN has typically served to provide a roundup of the developments in Fedora over the previous week, comprised of several "Beats" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats which cover mailing list(s) etc for a topic. I can imagine a mapping of Categories in Zikula to a set of "Beats" or Topics. Presumably each Category produces its own RSS feed. Users could ignore FWN and subscribe to just a single beat. Each Category may not have or need a beat writer, but if the concept of FWN is to continue there would have to be a means for a writer to adopt a Category and feel responsible for monitoring it. The beat writer or others could contribute stories at any point during the week. Once a week a beat writer could post a roundup of their beat including the usual sources, plus any postings made to the Fedora Insight category during the week. A FWN editor could then gather these beat roundups into a larger roundup called FWN (or something else) for publishing with a ToC and a summary abstract. That post would go in the FWN category, and the RSS feed from that would become FWN. That whole concept could also possibly go out the window, but that seems a shame. It seems to me there is value in a regularly scheduled newsletter. Otherwise, isn't it just a forum or a blog? If developers and others post enough news, maybe there won't be much need for a beat writer, or maybe the writer will feel discouraged that way. The creation of categories is something to work out. They seem to be flat and would span the CMS. The mechanics of assigning beat writers is something to ponder. Also a means to notify an editor that a category round up is complete would need to be pondered. Tags? Same old wiki page? = Ease of adoption = Putting my curmudgeon hat back on... Posting content is going to be very inconvenient without the leverage of wiki markup. Constructing links to list postings, wiki content, other news items will be much more painful. Perhaps there are Zikula plugins to recreate some functionality like the in mediawiki. Such plugins would require explanation to new beat writers. I reckon way more newcomers will be familiar with Mediawiki. It seems to me this could make it harder to attract beat writers. Maybe that's only a personal bias. Maybe more time poking Zikula will yield more optimism, but it's time spent poking. (I'll continue to poke some more) Besides all the logistics, this is the biggest problem to me as a beat writer. I am loathe to hand code HTML. Beat writers burn out all the time. The more painful it is, the quicker the burnout. Life's hard though. :) It's getting late. I hope that was somewhat useful. -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 06:41:37 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:41:37 -0400 Subject: Call for Review : FEL 12 Release Notes (draft) In-Reply-To: <50baabb30909150356i56c08aa3y475d4cf5c8dea8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30909150356i56c08aa3y475d4cf5c8dea8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB088A1.2020904@redhat.com> On 09/15/2009 06:56 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > We have drafted FEL'12 Release Notes, which we dearly want to hear your views. > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/papers/FEL12ReleaseNotes.pdf Thanks, Chitlesh! I've created a ticket for this (in general, please put todo/help requests in Trac, so the Marketing team can track them) at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/45 with some comments - can you see if that's what you'd like us to do? Yay! Our first consulting project! Anyone from Marketing want a client? ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 06:48:53 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:48:53 -0400 Subject: "I Use Fedora" stories for Fedora Insight Message-ID: <4AB08A55.8090705@redhat.com> After being at both the F12 release events meeting and the Marketing meeting today, I thought this might be a good opportunity for Ambassadors to help create Marketing collateral that would be useful for other Ambassadors: Prepare short stories for "I use Fedora" rotations on the webpage and Fedora Insight. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 It's something that would be great for Ambassadors to do before the F12 launch (before the Beta launch, if possible) - write up *your* story about using Fedora, the stories of your friends and the people you've introduced Fedora to - and also potentially something fun to do *at* an F12 launch event; interview new users, make a podcast with them, film them describing something cool they've just discovered about their new operating system, help them write an article for FI. If you write 'em, we can help you edit and publish 'em. Just link to your work in a comment on that ticket (you'll have to log in with your FAS credentials first) and we'll take it from there. Questions? Comments? Feedback? ("I Use Fedora" stories?) Go! --Mel PS: Fedora Insight is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight. PPS: Got something you'd like the Marketing team to make for you? Need Marketing consultation for an event? Send us a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket! From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 07:58:48 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:58:48 +0200 Subject: Call for Review : FEL 12 Release Notes (draft) In-Reply-To: <4AB088A1.2020904@redhat.com> References: <50baabb30909150356i56c08aa3y475d4cf5c8dea8fc@mail.gmail.com> <4AB088A1.2020904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30909160058k7094bd20gc9a6c613e6ddba80@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > > Yay! Our first consulting project! Anyone from Marketing want a client? ;) I have replied to you here : https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/45 However wouldn't it be nice to enable your Trac's smtp so that the marketing mailing list gets an email everytime someone open a ticket ? This will make others aware that there is a ticket which was opened and that if they feel they are up to it, they will take the owernship of the ticket/task. Chitlesh From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 16 12:14:37 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:14:37 +0200 Subject: "I Use Fedora" stories for Fedora Insight In-Reply-To: <4AB08A55.8090705@redhat.com> References: <4AB08A55.8090705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3d4767520909160514x4bcd6acw2f7fcd7a6d83e31f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/16 Mel Chua : > write up *your* story about > using Fedora, the stories of your friends and the people you've introduced > Fedora to - and also potentially something fun to do *at* an F12 launch > event; interview new users, make a podcast with them, film them describing > something cool they've just discovered about their new operating system, > help them write an article for FI. Yeah, this sounds really interesting. Everytime I join an event with other ambassadors it's a pleasure to hear the story behind each person. >From my POV, I'll try to invite the other italian guys having a meeting (and maybe recording it), talking about this point (naturally if they agree). > If you write 'em, we can help you edit and publish 'em. Just link to your > work in a comment on that ticket (you'll have to log in with your FAS > credentials first) and we'll take it from there. > > Questions? Comments? Feedback? ("I Use Fedora" stories?) Is there a deadline? Is better to have this material in english? Regards Francesco Ugolini Why don't write about it in the planet (sometime it helps spread the message better)? From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:18:58 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:18:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:35:25PM -0700, Dale Bewley wrote: > ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > > > > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > > >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight I > > >> wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > > >> actually be used. > > > > > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > > > > > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable > > > timing. Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic > > > workflow (and her work was the initial driver that made sure a > > > lot of basic functionality in Zikula was put in), but it's time > > > to figure out the actual workflow for News, so I was literally > > > *just* about to ask the News list about this. > > > > > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my > > >> account authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test > > >> post. > > > > > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by > > > default on the test instance, so you can go to > > > > > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > > > > > > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case > > > for the live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure > > > out the workflow you would like. > > > > > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat > > >> hierarchy. I'm having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be > > >> carved out. > > > > > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to > > > ask you." > > > > > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't > > > be that hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News > > > team likes it is to have the News team carve it out. ;) > > > > It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any > > topical area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can > > be organized or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind > > of hazy and conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and > > navigation on the site work to support something like: > > > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts > > ... > > I'll admit to being somewhat curmudgeonly on the whole CMS idea, but > I am doing my best to put that aside and give it a fair shake. :) I > can see benefits, but wonder what barriers to entry it might create. > > I went back and read up on the fedora-news discussion of what was > referred to as Fedora Journal and Project FooBar before being named > Fedora Insight. > > Most of the conversation took place in July > * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/thread.html > > Here are my repeatedly edited thoughts which may or may not make > sense by this point. > > > = How might it work? = > > FWN has typically served to provide a roundup of the developments in > Fedora over the previous week, comprised of several "Beats" > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats which cover mailing list(s) > etc for a topic. I can imagine a mapping of Categories in Zikula to > a set of "Beats" or Topics. Presumably each Category produces its > own RSS feed. Users could ignore FWN and subscribe to just a single > beat. Yup, all makes sense. > Each Category may not have or need a beat writer, but if the concept > of FWN is to continue there would have to be a means for a writer to > adopt a Category and feel responsible for monitoring it. The beat > writer or others could contribute stories at any point during the > week. Once a week a beat writer could post a roundup of their beat > including the usual sources, plus any postings made to the Fedora > Insight category during the week. > > A FWN editor could then gather these beat roundups into a larger > roundup called FWN (or something else) for publishing with a ToC and > a summary abstract. That post would go in the FWN category, and the > RSS feed from that would become FWN. This makes sense too -- LWN.net does something that looks like this from the outside, although I'm not sure how their internal process works. > That whole concept could also possibly go out the window, but that > seems a shame. It seems to me there is value in a regularly > scheduled newsletter. Otherwise, isn't it just a forum or a blog? If > developers and others post enough news, maybe there won't be much > need for a beat writer, or maybe the writer will feel discouraged > that way. The way LWN does it seems to work very well. I don't check it every day, but I usually look at the weeklies to see what I missed by not doing so. By giving the users more choices we're doing a better job getting news out there. Some people read RSS every day, some people will read the weekly aggregations. > The creation of categories is something to work out. They seem to be > flat and would span the CMS. The mechanics of assigning beat writers > is something to ponder. Also a means to notify an editor that a > category round up is complete would need to be pondered. Tags? Same > old wiki page? This is where a CMS can excel -- workflow. It could actually notify the editor via email (or some other way) when a beat writer simply checks a box or tags a beat done. > = Ease of adoption = > > Putting my curmudgeon hat back on... Posting content is going to be > very inconvenient without the leverage of wiki markup. Constructing > links to list postings, wiki content, other news items will be much > more painful. Perhaps there are Zikula plugins to recreate some > functionality like the in mediawiki. Such > plugins would require explanation to new beat writers. I reckon way > more newcomers will be familiar with Mediawiki. > > It seems to me this could make it harder to attract beat > writers. Maybe that's only a personal bias. Maybe more time poking > Zikula will yield more optimism, but it's time spent poking. (I'll > continue to poke some more) Zikula should include one or more WYSIWYG editors that make life even easier than the MediaWiki markup. A contributor could use the same tools they're used to on Wordpress, Google Docs, forums, and all around the web. > Besides all the logistics, this is the biggest problem to me as a > beat writer. I am loathe to hand code HTML. Beat writers burn out > all the time. The more painful it is, the quicker the > burnout. Life's hard though. :) Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:34:19 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:34:19 -0700 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90909160634g252088a5g1a819ec1af871264@mail.gmail.com> We looked into quite a few of these thing wrt workflow when we originally got zikula set up - but some of those notification / grouping features were either not available, or not available unless we used different modules which required a lot more work to set-up / design. $.02, Robyn On 9/16/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:35:25PM -0700, Dale Bewley wrote: >> ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: >> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >> > > Thanks for asking, Dale. >> > > >> > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: >> > >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight I >> > >> wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would >> > >> actually be used. >> > > >> > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so >> > >> > > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable >> > > timing. Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic >> > > workflow (and her work was the initial driver that made sure a >> > > lot of basic functionality in Zikula was put in), but it's time >> > > to figure out the actual workflow for News, so I was literally >> > > *just* about to ask the News list about this. >> > > >> > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my >> > >> account authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test >> > >> post. >> > > >> > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by >> > > default on the test instance, so you can go to >> > > >> > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin >> > > >> > > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case >> > > for the live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure >> > > out the workflow you would like. >> > > >> > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat >> > >> hierarchy. I'm having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be >> > >> carved out. >> > > >> > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to >> > > ask you." >> > > >> > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle >> > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't >> > > be that hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News >> > > team likes it is to have the News team carve it out. ;) >> > >> > It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any >> > topical area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can >> > be organized or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind >> > of hazy and conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and >> > navigation on the site work to support something like: >> > >> > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news >> > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts >> > ... >> >> I'll admit to being somewhat curmudgeonly on the whole CMS idea, but >> I am doing my best to put that aside and give it a fair shake. :) I >> can see benefits, but wonder what barriers to entry it might create. >> >> I went back and read up on the fedora-news discussion of what was >> referred to as Fedora Journal and Project FooBar before being named >> Fedora Insight. >> >> Most of the conversation took place in July >> * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/thread.html >> >> Here are my repeatedly edited thoughts which may or may not make >> sense by this point. >> >> >> = How might it work? = >> >> FWN has typically served to provide a roundup of the developments in >> Fedora over the previous week, comprised of several "Beats" >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats which cover mailing list(s) >> etc for a topic. I can imagine a mapping of Categories in Zikula to >> a set of "Beats" or Topics. Presumably each Category produces its >> own RSS feed. Users could ignore FWN and subscribe to just a single >> beat. > > Yup, all makes sense. > >> Each Category may not have or need a beat writer, but if the concept >> of FWN is to continue there would have to be a means for a writer to >> adopt a Category and feel responsible for monitoring it. The beat >> writer or others could contribute stories at any point during the >> week. Once a week a beat writer could post a roundup of their beat >> including the usual sources, plus any postings made to the Fedora >> Insight category during the week. >> >> A FWN editor could then gather these beat roundups into a larger >> roundup called FWN (or something else) for publishing with a ToC and >> a summary abstract. That post would go in the FWN category, and the >> RSS feed from that would become FWN. > > This makes sense too -- LWN.net does something that looks like this > from the outside, although I'm not sure how their internal process > works. > >> That whole concept could also possibly go out the window, but that >> seems a shame. It seems to me there is value in a regularly >> scheduled newsletter. Otherwise, isn't it just a forum or a blog? If >> developers and others post enough news, maybe there won't be much >> need for a beat writer, or maybe the writer will feel discouraged >> that way. > > The way LWN does it seems to work very well. I don't check it every > day, but I usually look at the weeklies to see what I missed by not > doing so. By giving the users more choices we're doing a better job > getting news out there. Some people read RSS every day, some people > will read the weekly aggregations. > >> The creation of categories is something to work out. They seem to be >> flat and would span the CMS. The mechanics of assigning beat writers >> is something to ponder. Also a means to notify an editor that a >> category round up is complete would need to be pondered. Tags? Same >> old wiki page? > > This is where a CMS can excel -- workflow. It could actually notify > the editor via email (or some other way) when a beat writer simply > checks a box or tags a beat done. > >> = Ease of adoption = >> >> Putting my curmudgeon hat back on... Posting content is going to be >> very inconvenient without the leverage of wiki markup. Constructing >> links to list postings, wiki content, other news items will be much >> more painful. Perhaps there are Zikula plugins to recreate some >> functionality like the in mediawiki. Such >> plugins would require explanation to new beat writers. I reckon way >> more newcomers will be familiar with Mediawiki. >> >> It seems to me this could make it harder to attract beat >> writers. Maybe that's only a personal bias. Maybe more time poking >> Zikula will yield more optimism, but it's time spent poking. (I'll >> continue to poke some more) > > Zikula should include one or more WYSIWYG editors that make life even > easier than the MediaWiki markup. A contributor could use the same > tools they're used to on Wordpress, Google Docs, forums, and all > around the web. > >> Besides all the logistics, this is the biggest problem to me as a >> beat writer. I am loathe to hand code HTML. Beat writers burn out >> all the time. The more painful it is, the quicker the >> burnout. Life's hard though. :) > > Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 16 13:55:22 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:55:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> On 09/16/2009 09:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! The way Zikula works on pt6 right now, they are going to have to hand code HTML when posting an article if they are linking images and linking within the document and out to other documents. I'd imagine there are WYSIWYG editors available for Zikula but we don't have any installed. ~m From simon at zikula.org Wed Sep 16 14:24:53 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:24:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula Message-ID: <4ab0f537.0c58560a.2112.10cb@mx.google.com> Sorry for top-post, on my mobile. An editor is awaiting packaging, as our first efforts ran into licensing issues. The plan is to get FI up and running asap with a basic news service, and we'll look into more complex workflows (including notification/category based permissions) post Fedora 12. We've been hitting some fairly hard scheduling requirements for FI, and we've done well to get as far as we have in the time so far. Simon -----Original Message----- From: M?ir?n Duffy Sent: 16 September 2009 14:55 To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com; fedora-news-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora News on Zikula On 09/16/2009 09:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! The way Zikula works on pt6 right now, they are going to have to hand code HTML when posting an article if they are linking images and linking within the document and out to other documents. I'd imagine there are WYSIWYG editors available for Zikula but we don't have any installed. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 14:27:35 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:27:35 -0400 Subject: Slogan use Message-ID: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> Our release slogan typically has been a fun community contribution that ends up on the website at the main fedoraproject.org page. The slogan is supposed to function as a call to action but it draws its theme from the release-specific artwork. For F10 (Cambridge), which featured the blazing Solar artwork, the slogan was "Fire it up." For F11 (Leonidas), the slogan was "Reign" (which is inteded to allude to the lion). Although sometimes it's difficult to translate, we typically give the translators a lot of latitude to recreate the slogan in a way that makes sense in their culture and language. Over the past couple releases, I've had a number of people contact me privately or pop up on IRC and mailing lists asking about the slogan. One of the most consistent questions is, does it reflect what we want our front page to say about the Fedora Project in general? In a way, it does, because we do believe the slogan is reflective of the forward-looking, leading-edge distribution we produce. But should a release-specific slogan change our project front page every six months? I'm not so sure. I'm wondering whether we should think about placing the slogan prominently on the get-fedora page (get.fedoraproject.org) and having something more general on the front page itself, in the space currently occupied by the filler "Free your computer" in the mockups. Any thoughts on this? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 16 14:32:06 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:32:06 -0400 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> On 09/16/2009 10:27 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'm wondering whether we should think about placing the slogan > prominently on the get-fedora page (get.fedoraproject.org) and having > something more general on the front page itself, in the space > currently occupied by the filler "Free your computer" in the mockups. > Any thoughts on this? I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan now for this to happen for F12. If it can't, let's hold off on this until F13. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 16 14:48:13 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:48:13 +0300 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> On 09/16/2009 05:32 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On 09/16/2009 10:27 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> I'm wondering whether we should think about placing the slogan >> prominently on the get-fedora page (get.fedoraproject.org) and having >> something more general on the front page itself, in the space >> currently occupied by the filler "Free your computer" in the mockups. >> Any thoughts on this? > > I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan > now for this to happen for F12. Yes, I agree with Paul about moving the changing slogan to the download page. Let's fix a deadline with something like one week from now for the general slogan. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 15:29:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:29:35 -0400 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> >> I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan >> now for this to happen for F12. > > Yes, I agree with Paul about moving the changing slogan to the download > page. Let's fix a deadline with something like one week from now for the > general slogan. I think the questions here are: * For Mo: Do you/Design have the bandwidth to incorporate a new general slogan into the website designs for F12? * Does somebody here want to step up to run a general slogan selection process? It will take at least a week (to give people enough time for comment), possibly longer if this is going to be The Generic Slogan Than Lasts For Multiple Releases. If both these things are yes, then we can do it. If either one is no, then F13 it is. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 15:34:37 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:34:37 -0400 Subject: Notes and logs from "Direction of Marketing" conversation Message-ID: <4AB1058D.5090605@redhat.com> Paul and I just had a good talk on Marketing, where we are, where we're headed, and what we need to do. Logs and notes are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009 for anyone who's interested. --Mel PS: Yep, this is also part of the "please log cool IRC conversations and post the minutes and logs to the wiki and notify the list!" Marketing culture-building campaign. ;) Maybe I need to write a HOWTO on that... From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 15:46:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:46:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:55:22AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On 09/16/2009 09:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! > > The way Zikula works on pt6 right now, they are going to have to hand > code HTML when posting an article if they are linking images and linking > within the document and out to other documents. > > I'd imagine there are WYSIWYG editors available for Zikula but we don't > have any installed. Yeah, the WYSIWYG editor problem needs to be (and can be) solved. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 15:48:12 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:48:12 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4ab0f537.0c58560a.2112.10cb@mx.google.com> References: <4ab0f537.0c58560a.2112.10cb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20090916154812.GH25010@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 03:24:53PM +0100, Simon Birtwistle wrote: > Sorry for top-post, on my mobile. An editor is awaiting packaging, > as our first efforts ran into licensing issues. The plan is to get > FI up and running asap with a basic news service, and we'll look > into more complex workflows (including notification/category based > permissions) post Fedora 12. We've been hitting some fairly hard > scheduling requirements for FI, and we've done well to get as far as > we have in the time so far. Agreed. Simon, to what extent have the licensing issues we've found made an impression on the Zikula community? In some cases, I think we found places where licenses were mingled incompatibly. Has that process helped to educate Zikula community members at all so that they are better able to identify compatibly licensed software as they continue to build up new Zikula components? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 15:49:46 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:49:46 -0400 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090916154946.GI25010@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:29:35AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >>> I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan >>> now for this to happen for F12. >> >> Yes, I agree with Paul about moving the changing slogan to the download >> page. Let's fix a deadline with something like one week from now for the >> general slogan. > > I think the questions here are: > > * For Mo: Do you/Design have the bandwidth to incorporate a new general > slogan into the website designs for F12? > * Does somebody here want to step up to run a general slogan selection > process? It will take at least a week (to give people enough time for > comment), possibly longer if this is going to be The Generic Slogan Than > Lasts For Multiple Releases. > > If both these things are yes, then we can do it. If either one is no, > then F13 it is. I think the latter is probably a yes, but I really feel strongly that Mo's been saddled with a lot of tasks already. I don't want to speak for her, and I haven't discussed this directly with her, but I think holding off for F13 may be best. Besides, when you think about it... "Unite" may be a nice precursor to uniting our sloganeering efforts. :-) Metaslogan! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 15:55:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:55:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AB10A61.3020904@redhat.com> > Yeah, the WYSIWYG editor problem needs to be (and can be) solved. Ticketed. :) Feel free to hop on https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/47 and help - chime in on what kind of WYSIWYG you'd like, things you've used before and enjoyed, etc. (...and if you'd like to chase down the packaging and deployment of this too, yay!) --Mel From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 16 16:58:30 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AB11936.6020101@linuxgrrl.com> On 09/16/2009 11:29 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan >>> now for this to happen for F12. >> >> Yes, I agree with Paul about moving the changing slogan to the download >> page. Let's fix a deadline with something like one week from now for the >> general slogan. > > I think the questions here are: > > * For Mo: Do you/Design have the bandwidth to incorporate a new general > slogan into the website designs for F12? the design team has missed every deadline it's had on the schedule for at least the past three weeks, maybe more. so unless we are just slapping the text up on the front page and it's generic enough to go with any screenshot artwork we decide to put in the full size banner... no. ~m From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 18:34:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:34:46 -0400 Subject: Slogan use In-Reply-To: <4AB11936.6020101@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20090916142735.GA25010@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0F6E6.9010405@linuxgrrl.com> <4AB0FAAD.7060109@nicubunu.ro> <4AB1045F.7050508@redhat.com> <4AB11936.6020101@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <4AB12FC6.2090301@redhat.com> > the design team has missed every deadline it's had on the schedule for > at least the past three weeks, maybe more. > > so unless we are just slapping the text up on the front page and it's > generic enough to go with any screenshot artwork we decide to put in the > full size banner... no. F13 it is, then. To remind us again at the next release: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/63 We'll pick this up again in late Nov/early Dec. --Mel From taljurf.fedora at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 18:59:33 2009 From: taljurf.fedora at gmail.com (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:59:33 +0300 Subject: Surveys Swags Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0909161159s146472ao4163ae5126717f22@mail.gmail.com> Robyn Bergeron suggested that we use swags to make people complete our surveys For surveys I prefer that we use digital swags such as wallpapers and screen savers. For example we create a new wallpaper every other day, once the user finishes the survey he gets his wallpaper. I don't know if we can do that with a program, but we will need the Fedora programmers to help us here. regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 19:30:40 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:30:40 -0400 Subject: Surveys Swags In-Reply-To: <12d8a2fa0909161159s146472ao4163ae5126717f22@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d8a2fa0909161159s146472ao4163ae5126717f22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB13CE0.9020000@redhat.com> > For surveys I prefer that we use digital swags such as wallpapers and > screen savers. For example we create a new wallpaper every other day, > once the user finishes the survey he gets his wallpaper. I don't know if > we can do that with a program, but we will need the Fedora programmers > to help us here. If we need to do swag, digital swag is a great way to do it. The tricky part of this is that the Design team is currently overloaded with release work, so I'm not sure who would be able to make these extra wallpapers for us. I think that if we're talking about new users, and we'll be getting them to fill out this survey in person, we could say "fill this out, and then we'll help you do something on (perhaps https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/11?) on your computer! And one of those could be installing a new desktop background from alternative release art (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Artwork). --Mel From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Wed Sep 16 21:25:20 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:25:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora weekly news 193 podcast Message-ID: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> hello there, I'm doing the fedora weekly news in german for quite a while, so I thought it would be a good time to make a little "special" for all those who better can follow such podcast in english. It can be found at http://blog.radiotux.de/2009/09/16/fedora-weekly-news-fwn-193/ and also the RSS feed of radiotux itself. What do you think about it so far? Are there interrests to have it in german AND english (maybe we could think then about putting it into zikula, iTunes, etc. - just some thought crawling around my brain) Hopefully you enjoy this little "experiment" and maybe somebody else have some fun making such podcasts and step in. Also I'm searching for Interview partners (Developers, Contributors, etc.) who want to say something and have to tell the world outside fedora whats on the minds of the Fedora people around the world. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Thu Sep 17 00:50:55 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:50:55 -0700 Subject: zikula fwn experimentation Message-ID: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> I've been experimenting with Zikula as it would/could/will relate to FWN. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight Things seem labor intensive so far. Some frustration may be my ignorance or just incomplete configuration/customization of the application. It would be pretty inconvenient to lose the mediawiki templates such as {{bz}}, {{package}}, {{filename}}, etc. I would really hope for some sort of similar macro system in the CMS. It also would be unfortunate to lose the ability to quickly and intuitively link to things like [[Releases/12]] or [[User:Dale]] or etc. = Beats -> Categories ? = The Beats concept could possibly be mapped to the Category concept. To create a category, you must non-intuitively click: Administration -> System -> Modules -> News -> Create Article -> "the little pen next to category drop down". Don't use: Administration -> Content -> Categories as those don't appear in the list when you create a news item. When creating a news item you can only select one category. I could imagine a scenerio where you might want to pick 'Virtualization' and 'FWN'... Do tags make more sense? But who wants to manually type error prone tags? = FWN Issue = I played around and made a little mini FWN 101 just to ponder how it could be done. Pretty klunky so far... http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php/News/2009/9/17/Fedora-Weekly-News-101/ I'm not sure what should go into it exactly. It would be nice if it could transclude other posts. Maybe even based of a tag/category set by beat writers on their weekly summaries. Would a top level category like Beats make it easier to create a FWN? From pcalarco at nd.edu Thu Sep 17 00:54:44 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora weekly news 193 podcast In-Reply-To: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> References: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4AB188D4.5050308@nd.edu> Hi Henrik -- This is great that you are doing this -- a nice 2:30 min. summary overview of the latest FWN, and I think that its fantastic to be available in German as well! Fedora Insight has the express goal of bringing together more multimedia content about Fedora, and I think this is an interesting way to add some immediate content there that is kind of a gateway to the larger FWN issue. Would you be willing to keep producing this for inclusion in Fedora Insight? Thanks! Best regards, Pascal Calarco Fedora Ambassador, Fedora Weekly News editorial team wonderer wrote: > hello there, > > I'm doing the fedora weekly news in german for quite a while, so I > thought it would be a good time to make a little "special" for all those > who better can follow such podcast in english. > It can be found at > http://blog.radiotux.de/2009/09/16/fedora-weekly-news-fwn-193/ and also > the RSS feed of radiotux itself. > What do you think about it so far? Are there interrests to have it in > german AND english (maybe we could think then about putting it into > zikula, iTunes, etc. - just some thought crawling around my brain) > Hopefully you enjoy this little "experiment" and maybe somebody else > have some fun making such podcasts and step in. > > Also I'm searching for Interview partners (Developers, Contributors, > etc.) who want to say something and have to tell the world outside > fedora whats on the minds of the Fedora people around the world. > > > > mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards > Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org > > PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 17 01:37:31 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:37:31 -0400 Subject: F12 talking points are out! Message-ID: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> The F12 talking points have been released, and are ready for use (and improvement!) Many thanks to Steven Moix, Paul Frields, and Jon Roberts for their hard work. Talking points (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points) are key features of the new release that we want to point out. There are different types of talking points for different types of people: users, developers, sysadmins, and more. They are meant to answer the question "so what cool stuff is in the latest release of Fedora?" Reading the talking points should get someone who's *not* necessarily already a member of the Fedora community excited. (This is something that I think the talking points could still use some help with; which ones are unclear? Which ones don't get you as excited yet?) Please take a look at the talking points and think about how you'd like to use them for F12 outreach - and if you can think of a better way of phrasing something, or think something should be improved, please let us know (or use the wiki and just make the change yourself). Ambassadors in particular: how can we turn these talking points into marketing materials that will help you spread the word? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 17 03:24:43 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:24:43 -0400 Subject: zikula fwn experimentation In-Reply-To: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <4AB1ABFB.3050706@redhat.com> Wow. Thanks, Dale - for both this and your earlier detailed explanations on how FWN on FI might work - let me see if I understand the things we'd need to do to make this work - how accurate is the following? == Benefits == * if we get wysiwyg working, it will be easier to make an article on zikula than on the wiki. * readers can comment on FWN issues * the submission/review/publication workflow will likely be easier to manage once we work it out == Things we need to implement to make this work == * implement wysiwyg * implement a way for zikula to use a similar sort of macro system as our current mediawiki templates such as {{bz}}, {{package}}, {{filename}}, etc * implement a way for zikula to quickly and intuitively link to things like [[Releases/12]] or [[User:Dale]] or etc * come up with a way to make news items taggable under multiple categories from a preselected list (in zikulaspeak, this would probably be "enable selecting multiple categories for the same item" or "be constrained to choosing a preselected list of tags"). > http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php/News/2009/9/17/Fedora-Weekly-News-101/ > > I'm not sure what should go into it exactly. It would be nice if it > could transclude other posts. Maybe even based of a tag/category set by > beat writers on their weekly summaries. > > Would a top level category like Beats make it easier to create a FWN? Throwing a random edge-case idea out here: What would happen if "FWN" became a tag that meant "this is a weekly summary," and you could select what combination of tags you'd like your FI view (or feed) to exhibit? Then beats would be tagged with both "FWN" and the tag that is their beat name (QA/Marketing/Planet/etc). The FWN summary would have its own special beat tag ("From-the-FWN-editor's-Desk") and would either transclude or link to all the other "FWN" posts made in the last 7 days. (This may not work or be realistically possible to do with zikula; I'm trying to throw a concrete strawman out so it can be ripped apart. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 17 03:51:24 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:51:24 -0400 Subject: "I Use Fedora" stories for Fedora Insight In-Reply-To: <3d4767520909160514x4bcd6acw2f7fcd7a6d83e31f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB08A55.8090705@redhat.com> <3d4767520909160514x4bcd6acw2f7fcd7a6d83e31f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB1B23C.6000304@redhat.com> >> From my POV, I'll try to invite the other italian guys having a > meeting (and maybe recording it), talking about this point (naturally > if they agree). That would be great! Paul sent out an email yesterday about podcasts for F12; if this is something that you would be interested in doing, audio content on both your stories and on particular features in F12 we want to profile would be great to have. > Is there a deadline? No strict deadline, but if you want specific dates to aim at, here are some to keep in mind: * 10/11 - 2 days before the Beta release of F12 * 11/08 - 2 days before the GA (final) release of F12 * 12/01 - a week before FUDCon > Is better to have this material in english? It can be in any language you want. In fact, I hope there will be many non-English submissions. The catch is that we do not yet have a translation workflow - but this would make us figure that out very, very quickly. ;) > Why don't write about it in the planet (sometime it helps spread the > message better)? Good idea - I just posted this to Planet. Thanks for the suggestion! --Mel From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 17 06:59:22 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:59:22 +0100 Subject: F12 talking points are out! In-Reply-To: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> References: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0909162359x49ca5272m6e200c9597401a03@mail.gmail.com> > Reading the talking points should get someone who's *not* necessarily > already a member of the Fedora community excited. (This is something that I > think the talking points could still use some help with; which ones are > unclear? Which ones don't get you as excited yet?) Please take a look at the > talking points and think about how you'd like to use them for F12 outreach - Are these intended for use in press material, or perhaps as the base for other press materials? If so, what steps are needed to create material that we can start putting out to editors? I think that many places like to get story information as *early* as possible as it makes their lives a lot easier, less stressful. Cheers, Jon From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 17 13:41:31 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:41:31 -0400 Subject: Volunteer needed to run next week's Marketing meeting In-Reply-To: <4AB0136E.3030702@redhat.com> References: <4AB0136E.3030702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AB23C8B.2020209@redhat.com> Robyn Bergeron is next week's Chair Of Meeting Running-ness. Thanks, Robyn! The two of us got on IRC this morning and quickly went through some bot commands; along the way, we made the marketing meeting HOWTO. So, for the curious: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_run_a_meeting --Mel From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 18 10:18:43 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:18:43 +0100 Subject: List of Planet content for FI Message-ID: <507738ef0909180318i93eca98o9bfd094c4fd9e3cd@mail.gmail.com> Hey, So, reviewing Planet for the last few days has revealed to me just how much valuable content people are posting there, and the potentially huge amount of material that could be appropriate for FI in one form or another. Has much thought been given to the kind of content that should be posted to FI? If not, it might be time to do so :) Some of the posts below, for instance, are full blown how tos, or could easily be developed into instructions on how to use Fedora to achieve something, while others are short advisories that are almost certainly useful for the whole of the Fedora community, incl. those who don't read Planet. Others still are mentions of events or activities that deserve write ups to reveal the vivacity of the community... the final category of posts, at least as I'm describing it, are more commentary on wider issues not directly related to Fedora but linked closely to the spirit of the project and have an indirect impact. Maybe a number of topic feeds, or a highlights feed, might be needed at some point? Many may be considered not appropriate, but I thought as a starting point for discussion, the posts below all represent potential for one kind of post or another. I'll continue monitoring, but noticed my list had grown rather long so thought I'd pass it along now for refinement, discussion and direction for further curation. Cheers, Jon p.s. sorry for the lack of links... got a little lazy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ding Yi-Chen makes further comments on i18n and package management - feel these would be suitable for a post once the work is complete. Michael DeHaan writes to inform that Cobbler 2.0 has just been released, as well as a set of instructions to describe how to set up a computer lab in a particular set of restricted conditions. David Lutterkort writes about new technology to facilitate network management in VMs, as well as mentioning the Virtualisation test day. Til Maas wrote a short but informative piece about the `Not ready' tag for packagers. John Poelstra wrote a good piece about mind mapping with Freemind on Fedora. Ria Das wrote an introduction to IRC, including how to install and use XChat on various platforms. Fabian Affolter wrote about the up coming OpenExpo conference in Switzerland, 24th to 25th September. Would be good to get a write up. Ding Yi-Chen writes about upcoming work to develop i18n package management. Scot Williams writes about a presentation he gave at the LiLAX LUG. Maria Leandro has posted a series of photos edited in GIMP, along with details of the edits she made. Possibility to have a piece about GIMP and photo editing on Fedora. Nicu Buculei writes about Google's Data Liberation Front. Not necessarily a piece in itself, but it might make for an interesting op-ed piece, about freedom, cloud computing and data security (perhaps focussed around trust) Luya Tshimbalanga writes the new libxml2 in test and Rawhide breaks Inkscape. Adam Williamson writes to announce the PulseAudio Test day on Wednesday 16th. Would be good to get a write up. Kulbir Saini writes about how to setup a dual display with ATI Radeon (fglrx). Dan Walsh writes about the four key error messages given from SELinux. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 18 11:08:03 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:08:03 +0300 Subject: List of Planet content for FI In-Reply-To: <507738ef0909180318i93eca98o9bfd094c4fd9e3cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0909180318i93eca98o9bfd094c4fd9e3cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB36A13.5080500@nicubunu.ro> On 09/18/2009 01:18 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > So, reviewing Planet for the last few days has revealed to me just how > much valuable content people are posting there, and the potentially > huge amount of material that could be appropriate for FI in one form > or another. > > Has much thought been given to the kind of content that should be > posted to FI? If not, it might be time to do so :) Some of the posts > below, for instance, are full blown how tos, or could easily be > developed into instructions on how to use Fedora to achieve something, > while others are short advisories that are almost certainly useful for > the whole of the Fedora community, incl. those who don't read Planet. > Others still are mentions of events or activities that deserve write > ups to reveal the vivacity of the community... the final category of > posts, at least as I'm describing it, are more commentary on wider > issues not directly related to Fedora but linked closely to the spirit > of the project and have an indirect impact. Maybe a number of topic > feeds, or a highlights feed, might be needed at some point? I think that would be very close to the intention of the existing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/PlanetFedora -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 12:23:16 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:23:16 -0400 Subject: List of Planet content for FI In-Reply-To: <4AB36A13.5080500@nicubunu.ro> References: <507738ef0909180318i93eca98o9bfd094c4fd9e3cd@mail.gmail.com> <4AB36A13.5080500@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I think that would be very close to the intention of the existing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/PlanetFedora Does that go on FI in the New World Order(TM), or in the existing FWN format? I'm also thinking that what Jon is talking about is more of "hey, beyond them being on planet and summarized on FWN, we could develop this into full-blown marketing material (or documentation, as the case may be)" From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 18 12:30:24 2009 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:30:24 +0100 Subject: List of Planet content for FI In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0909180318i93eca98o9bfd094c4fd9e3cd@mail.gmail.com> <4AB36A13.5080500@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <507738ef0909180530r1769b2a0lc2ec8d5d291130c4@mail.gmail.com> > I'm also thinking that what Jon is talking about is more of "hey, > beyond them being on planet and summarized on FWN, we could develop > this into full-blown marketing material (or documentation, as the case > may be)" Heh, yes exactly... I replied earlier saying: I think the intention isn't so much to list what was on Planet, but instead to find material that would be suitable for further development as a feature on FI... But I'm too clueless to remember to send it from the correct e-mail address. But what you've said, and now I, I think represents the spirit communicated to me in the meeting. Cheers, Jon From chinku.linux at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 15:48:42 2009 From: chinku.linux at gmail.com (chaitanya mehandru) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:18:42 +0530 Subject: Marketing beat in Message-ID: <24b40b2b0909190848s5b6a57c1pdb69d7292c080090@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am back and done with the defense of my masters project. I gave a 45min presentation on "Power and performance characterization of Videoconferencing and Video Playback on Mobile Internet Devices" and lots of questions came up showing the interest of the panel. I received a score of 9 out of 10!!! 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URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Sep 21 17:01:42 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:01:42 -0700 Subject: Upcoming Marketing Schedule Message-ID: <4AB7B176.4040406@redhat.com> Upcoming Fedora 12 Tasks Full schedule available at: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-key-tasks.html Name Start End In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete Tue 2009-08-04 Tue 2009-09-29 Complete drafts of Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Brief FAMSCo and Ambassaors on Talking Points Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Coordinate with news beats authors about feature coverage Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-29 Finish in-depth feature profiles Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-10-06 Final (Beta) Freeze: Development Code Complete Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-09-29 Update press kits Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-10-06 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 21 21:04:47 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:34:47 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F12 talking points are out! In-Reply-To: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> References: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AB7EA6F.5010509@fedoraproject.org> On 09/17/2009 07:07 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > The F12 talking points have been released, and are ready for use (and > improvement!) Many thanks to Steven Moix, Paul Frields, and Jon Roberts > for their hard work. It seemed incomplete and I added a few more notes. I think, there is still more work to be done here. I will followup if I find time. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 21:43:50 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:43:50 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] F12 talking points are out! In-Reply-To: <4AB7EA6F.5010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> <4AB7EA6F.5010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090921214350.GT18270@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 02:34:47AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/17/2009 07:07 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > > The F12 talking points have been released, and are ready for use (and > > improvement!) Many thanks to Steven Moix, Paul Frields, and Jon Roberts > > for their hard work. > > It seemed incomplete and I added a few more notes. I think, there is > still more work to be done here. I will followup if I find time. The talking points were discussed here on the list and in Marketing meetings as needing to have impact for lay press. The additional points you added either don't have that quality, in that they're not easily summarized in a short sentence, or are not points on which a speaker would want to concentrate. ABRT is a great feature, for example, but you don't want to give informational points that overemphasize crashes or other non-performance. I can go through those one by one if needed here, but the idea should not be to make this list longer, because then it is no longer a crisp set of talking points; it's a substitute release overview. We do not need to blur those lines or the document gets far less useful overall. Just for point of reference, we froze the talking points list back in August, after list and meeting conversation that happened throughout July and August: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-August/msg00044.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 21 21:48:10 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:18:10 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F12 talking points are out! In-Reply-To: <20090921214350.GT18270@localhost.localdomain> References: <4AB192DB.3050103@redhat.com> <4AB7EA6F.5010509@fedoraproject.org> <20090921214350.GT18270@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AB7F49A.2070903@fedoraproject.org> On 09/22/2009 03:13 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The talking points were discussed here on the list and in Marketing > meetings as needing to have impact for lay press. The additional > points you added either don't have that quality, in that they're not > easily summarized in a short sentence, or are not points on which a > speaker would want to concentrate. ABRT is a great feature, for > example, but you don't want to give informational points that > overemphasize crashes or other non-performance. I will have to disagree with that. Abrt is a tool that improves the quality of individual components and therefore the quality of Fedora on the whole by making it trivial for end users to contribute. This is absolutely something that we need to highlight very prominently. > Just for point of reference, we froze the talking points list back in > August, after list and meeting conversation that happened throughout > July and August: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-August/msg00044.html I pointed out that more time is needed even then. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-August/msg00957.html If we want to stick to a "freeze" in the wiki page, you can revert the changes and I won't bother to update it anymore. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 22 00:00:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:00:11 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 00:34:55 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:34:55 -0700 Subject: F12 In-depth features - Print / Podcast interviews Message-ID: <5d4d90c90909231734j25824ee0u87c4c8f8fd05f310@mail.gmail.com> As discussed in the marketing meeting yesterday on irc.... Now that the Fedora 12 talking points have been settled, we need to start doing print or podcast interviews around some of those points / features. We selected 4 talking points in the marketing meeting yesterday that should definitely have interviews to go along with them - Next-Gen Ogg, NetworkManager enhancements, Virt improvements, and Systemtap improvements - but to do the interviews, we still need interviewers. The tools / information to start doing interviews are available here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features ... and please note the table for features and owners. If you are willing to take something on, please add your name to the wiki as the owner so we know that we (a) have an owner, and (b) don't have 12 owners being redundant. Stickster has graciously volunteered to do the SystemTap interview. (Thank you, Paul :D ) Mchua - I don't know if you want to open marketing tickets for each of these interviews, if so I can do that. Mchua previously issued a call to action on this - https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 - and so we're still looking to synchronize interviewees and interviewers. If you have any ideas, please post your suggestions in the wiki and/or on the mailing list. Of course, other interviews around the talking points / features for Fedora 12 are welcome as well - please add your work to the list in progress! Comments welcome of course. Thanks, Robyn From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 12:27:33 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:27:33 -0400 Subject: F12 In-depth features - Print / Podcast interviews In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90909231734j25824ee0u87c4c8f8fd05f310@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90909231734j25824ee0u87c4c8f8fd05f310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090924122733.GB17173@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 05:34:55PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > As discussed in the marketing meeting yesterday on irc.... > > Now that the Fedora 12 talking points have been settled, we need to > start doing print or podcast interviews around some of those points / > features. We selected 4 talking points in the marketing meeting > yesterday that should definitely have interviews to go along with them > - Next-Gen Ogg, NetworkManager enhancements, Virt improvements, and > Systemtap improvements - but to do the interviews, we still need > interviewers. > > The tools / information to start doing interviews are available here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features ... and > please note the table for features and owners. If you are willing to > take something on, please add your name to the wiki as the owner so we > know that we (a) have an owner, and (b) don't have 12 owners being > redundant. Stickster has graciously volunteered to do the SystemTap > interview. (Thank you, Paul :D ) Mchua - I don't know if you want to > open marketing tickets for each of these interviews, if so I can do > that. > > Mchua previously issued a call to action on this - > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 - and so we're still > looking to synchronize interviewees and interviewers. If you have any > ideas, please post your suggestions in the wiki and/or on the mailing > list. I created my stub page for the SystemTap interview as I did in F11. The page is here if anyone wants to copy my work (which is encouraged!): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SystemTap_in_Fedora_12 I'll write the print interview questions shortly and should have answers and a podcast within the next week or so. Already have a developer on the hook! ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Sep 24 22:16:08 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:16:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Is Fedora For Me? Message-ID: Do any of the Marketing people or Ambassadors use this page as a guide for talking to new users? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F -Mike From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 04:49:57 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:49:57 -0700 Subject: Is Fedora For Me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080909242149k3db37bf2u42b76f5e1bcbdeaa@mail.gmail.com> I do. It should probably be required reading for Ambassadors especially, since it gives a lot of information. Mentors of new Ambassadors should probably have new folks read this before approving them. Thanks, Mike. Larry Cafiero On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Do any of the Marketing people or Ambassadors use this page as a guide for > talking to new users? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F > > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 25 05:28:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:28:46 -0400 Subject: Is Fedora For Me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ABC550E.3010307@redhat.com> On 09/24/2009 06:16 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Do any of the Marketing people or Ambassadors use this page as a guide for > talking to new users? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Is_Fedora_for_me.3F If we don't already, we should - it's great stuff! Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Resources_you_can_use_for_marketing_purposes. --Mel PS: I've been in training this week and out of the loop (many thanks to Robyn for keeping things going in my absence!) but should be catching up again this weekend and back on top of things by Tuesday - so I'm going to send out a quick note on FI in a separate thread, and then you'll see me catching up in a flurry this weekend. From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 25 06:16:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:16:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14 Message-ID: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> We originally planned to launch Fedora Insight on September 29 (right before infrastructure freeze), but I think we'll be in a much better position to get a stable platform up and tested, with a contribution workflow we're all happy with, if we push the launch date out until right after the freeze instead. Therefore, our new launch target is Oct 14 (when the freeze lifts), and our revised schedule is on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Schedule. I'd like everyone to be happy with what we're putting out there, instead of feeling panicked and scrambling to rush things in before the freeze hits - sanity is good. You'll see me chugging away on FI stuff over the weekend and as next week gets underway - please join the fun if you can. ;) Cheers*, --Mel *...and concerns, questions, comments, etc totally welcome, as always. From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Sep 25 08:31:49 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14 In-Reply-To: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> References: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Mel Chua wrote: > *...and concerns, questions, comments, etc totally welcome, as always. Is there special content planned for launch day/launch week, so that we get off to an exciting start? Or are we just going to launch with a post that says "hello, world"? I feel like the former -- having some stuff in the pipeline locked and loaded -- will allow Insight to make a big spalsh, and be off to a good start, but still be somewhat viral in the way it rolls out. Also, what sort of monitoring will be in place to track activity, which items of content are most read, etc.? We should be tracking that stuff from day 1 also, because it will be incredibly useful to have, and to compare to things like Red Hat magazine. --Max From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 26 04:35:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:35:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14 In-Reply-To: References: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4ABD9A0A.6090706@redhat.com> Thanks for the nudging-forward questions, Max. :) > Is there special content planned for launch day/launch week, so that we > get off to an exciting start? Or are we just going to launch with a post > that says "hello, world"? Yep, that's the general idea, though we could be doing much better at nailing this down and stacking the queue ready to go. As a start, Jon started marking Planet posts that could be repurposed into great FI content (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00145.html) and Martin has been working on materials for the "fun projects" rotation (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/11). We could use more. Anyone keen on being the temporary FI editor (obtain material and publish it at what you reckon is a good pace - the workflow Robyn came up with is wonderfully simple) until, say, FUDCon when we can figure out a more stable scheduling/distribution of responsibilities? (News team: is this something you'd like to do, since you're already doing it every weekend for FWN?) > I feel like the former -- having some stuff in the pipeline locked and > loaded -- will allow Insight to make a big spalsh, and be off to a good > start, but still be somewhat viral in the way it rolls out. +1 > Also, what sort of monitoring will be in place to track activity, which > items of content are most read, etc.? We should be tracking that stuff > from day 1 also, because it will be incredibly useful to have, and to > compare to things like Red Hat magazine. Good point - this is something that hasn't been addressed yet, afaik. No special work being planned at the moment aside from maybe looking after the fact at whatever tracking capabilities Zikula already has built in... Ian, is this something that would fold into your Stats project, and if so, would you be interested in taking this part on? --Mel PS: I'm baaaack! Catching up gradually over the weekend. From chinku.linux at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 19:27:57 2009 From: chinku.linux at gmail.com (chaitanya mehandru) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:57:57 +0530 Subject: Marketing beat in Message-ID: <24b40b2b0909271227g6d17d1e7o2d5fe618d2bdf0a1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, The marketing beat is in for the week: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Marketing Please feel free to edit or add any info, if useful. Thanks, Chaitanya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From chinku.linux at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 06:09:15 2009 From: chinku.linux at gmail.com (chaitanya mehandru) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:39:15 +0530 Subject: Marketing beat in In-Reply-To: <4ABFD069.6040003@fedoraproject.org> References: <24b40b2b0909271227g6d17d1e7o2d5fe618d2bdf0a1@mail.gmail.com> <4ABFD069.6040003@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <24b40b2b0909272309l6b50621br8fd7a8229bdc8216@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/09, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/28/2009 12:57 AM, chaitanya mehandru wrote: >> Hi, >> The marketing beat is in for the week: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Marketing >> >> Please feel free to edit or add any info, if useful. > > Appreciate your prompt and nice ongoing contributions to Fedora Weekly > News. Thank you. > > Rahul Thanks so much. I find it interesting work and learning a bit of marketing also. Any suggestions to make the marketing beat even better are always welcome. Thanks for the appreciation, Chaitanya From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 29 00:00:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:00:14 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 29 11:50:39 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:20:39 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 demonstrates sandbox for desktop applications Message-ID: <4AC1F48F.1000203@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145755 "Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) specialist and Red Hat developer Dan Walsh has souped up the security mechanisms in Fedora and SELinux by adding a desktop sandbox which he's calling "sandbox -X". Users can run desktop applications of their choice inside his sandbox, which then protects the underlying system from any possible damage." Rahul From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Sep 29 13:53:31 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:53:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight: FWN experimentation Message-ID: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> After resolving an issue with Zikula on publictest6 kindly resolved by Simon, I've been putting some of the content into the test instance of Zikula for Fedora Insight, and have a few comments. 1) Stories need to be marked up in HTML to get the same linkback functionality we currently have with the wiki version, so one decision point is whether we do this markup within Zikula or if we have writers externalize this and use an HTML editor of their choice and then paste in the news story in FI, or whether we want to try to integrate a WYSIWYG editor into Zikula. There are pros and cons to both, but I might suggest external editors, for the reason below. 2) The timeout value on Zikula is too short. In trying to enter the news story for FWN 195 announcements, after finishing the news item my session timed out and all my work was lost. It would be easier to edit this locally and then just create the news story when I am done. 3) We need to decision what level to create news items at. If there is a desire to continue FWN as a identifiable entity, there would be value in presenting news stories at the beat[1] level, and marked and tagged as such. People could subscribe to FWN content by subscribing to anything tagged as FWN, and using the categories, people could do the same as well [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats 4) I was not able to create child categories from the FWN category, which would be useful if people want to subscribe at the beat level, say if they only care about Marketing, for example. How do I do this? 5) It is possible to retain the editorial workflow within FI, since content creators can submit their news items for review before they are published. This isn't the default right now though, so I might suggest having Zikula set up so that it doesn't publish the item right away, at least from an FWN perspective. Okay, that's enough to get discussion started. Comments most welcome! I plan to attend FUDCon Toronto in December and hopefully we can spend some quality time hacking on this on the Sunday and Monday. - pascal Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA Fedora Weekly News editorial team From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Sep 29 17:07:22 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:07:22 -0700 Subject: Upcoming Fedora 12 Marketing Tasks Message-ID: <4AC23ECA.5090804@redhat.com> Upcoming Fedora 12 Marketing Tasks Name Start End In-depth feature profiles: 0% to 75% complete Tue 2009-08-04 Tue 2009-09-29 Coordinate with news beats authors about feature coverage Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-29 Finish in-depth feature profiles Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-10-06 Final (Beta) Freeze: Development Code Complete Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-09-29 Update press kits Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-10-06 Beta Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting Wed 2009-10-07 Wed 2009-10-07 Start One-page Release Notes: Docs & Marketing Tue 2009-10-13 Tue 2009-10-13 Beta Release Public Availability Tue 2009-10-13 Tue 2009-10-13 Create one page Release Notes with Marketing Tue 2009-10-13 Tue 2009-10-20 I realize the formatting of these emails is not pretty if your email reader uses a proportional font. The mail archives are worse, for example https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00082.html Right now I'm using a simple python script to parse and add spaces to a CSV file created by TaskJuggler. Let me know if there are any ideas for fixing this. Thanks, John From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Tue Sep 29 18:43:49 2009 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:43:49 +0100 Subject: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14 In-Reply-To: <4ABD9A0A.6090706@redhat.com> References: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> <4ABD9A0A.6090706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1254249829.2946.2.camel@PB3.linux> Hi, > Anyone keen on being the temporary FI editor (obtain material and > publish it at what you reckon is a good pace - the workflow Robyn came > up with is wonderfully simple) until, say, FUDCon when we can figure out > a more stable scheduling/distribution of responsibilities? (News team: > is this something you'd like to do, since you're already doing it every > weekend for FWN?) I'll do that :-) Let me know what has to be done and done it shall be! TTFN Paul -- ?Sie k?nnen mich aufreizen und wirklich hei? machen! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 29 19:23:41 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:23:41 -0400 Subject: A reminder for new Marketing team members... Message-ID: <4AC25EBD.9010707@redhat.com> A friendly reminder: If you're relatively new to the Fedora Marketing team and haven't yet completed the steps in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project, you should go and take a look. There are some useful things there that you can do to make sure you've got access to all the places where we work - for instance, some people who have posted on this mailing list don't yet have a FAS account, which will let you create and work on tasks in our ticket tracker. And some people have requested FAS membership without posting an introduction to the mailing list, which is a prerequisite for granting Marketing group membership. Little things, but nice to get out of the way ASAP. If any of the terms in the last paragraph confused you, go to the link and read the Join instructions, 'cause that probably means we haven't given you access to everything just yet. ;) Your friendly local minion, --Mel PS: We've got a meeting in ~37 minutes, too - #fedora-meeting, irc.freenode.net. Woo! From simon at zikula.org Tue Sep 29 20:08:13 2009 From: simon at zikula.org (Simon Birtwistle) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:08:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora Insight: FWN experimentation In-Reply-To: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> References: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> Message-ID: <009e01ca4140$94007210$bc015630$@org> 1. A WYSIWYG is in the works, but I don't know where packaging has got to. 2. This can easily be changed - just let me know what you would consider a sensible value and I'll change it. 4. Categories admin is site wide, so done through a different admin interface. Check out the categories module (I forget which sub panel it's in). 5. Actually, you can do either. If you're an admin, and you add articles through the admin interface, they go live immediately (unless you select 'Pending' as the status). If you're an ordinary user, there's a subtlety different URL to go to, and anything submitted through there ends up in the approval queue. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora- > marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Calarco > Sent: 29 September 2009 14:54 > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base; > fedora-news-list > Subject: Fedora Insight: FWN experimentation > > After resolving an issue with Zikula on publictest6 kindly resolved by > Simon, I've been putting some of the content into the test instance of > Zikula for Fedora Insight, and have a few comments. > > 1) Stories need to be marked up in HTML to get the same linkback > functionality we currently have with the wiki version, so one decision > point is whether we do this markup within Zikula or if we have writers > externalize this and use an HTML editor of their choice and then paste > in the news story in FI, or whether we want to try to integrate a > WYSIWYG editor into Zikula. There are pros and cons to both, but I > might suggest external editors, for the reason below. > > 2) The timeout value on Zikula is too short. In trying to enter the > news story for FWN 195 announcements, after finishing the news item my > session timed out and all my work was lost. It would be easier to edit > this locally and then just create the news story when I am done. > > 3) We need to decision what level to create news items at. If there is > a desire to continue FWN as a identifiable entity, there would be value > in presenting news stories at the beat[1] level, and marked and tagged > as such. People could subscribe to FWN content by subscribing to > anything tagged as FWN, and using the categories, people could do the > same as well > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats > > 4) I was not able to create child categories from the FWN category, > which would be useful if people want to subscribe at the beat level, > say > if they only care about Marketing, for example. How do I do this? > > 5) It is possible to retain the editorial workflow within FI, since > content creators can submit their news items for review before they are > published. This isn't the default right now though, so I might suggest > having Zikula set up so that it doesn't publish the item right away, at > least from an FWN perspective. > > Okay, that's enough to get discussion started. Comments most welcome! > > I plan to attend FUDCon Toronto in December and hopefully we can spend > some quality time hacking on this on the Sunday and Monday. > > - pascal > > Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA > Fedora Weekly News editorial team > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.114/2401 - Release Date: > 09/28/09 17:53:00 From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 29 21:13:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:13:14 -0400 Subject: Meeting minutes 2009-09-29 Message-ID: <4AC2786A.6070600@redhat.com> For your perusal. 22:09:34 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-29/fedora-meeting.2009-09-29-20.02.html 22:09:35 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-29/fedora-meeting.2009-09-29-20.02.txt 22:09:38 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-29/fedora-meeting.2009-09-29-20.02.log.html From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 30 06:45:15 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:45:15 -0400 Subject: FI editor resources [Was: Re: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14] In-Reply-To: <1254249829.2946.2.camel@PB3.linux> References: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> <4ABD9A0A.6090706@redhat.com> <1254249829.2946.2.camel@PB3.linux> Message-ID: <4AC2FE7B.7040809@redhat.com> On 09/29/2009 02:43 PM, Paul wrote: > Hi, > >> Anyone keen on being the temporary FI editor (obtain material and >> publish it at what you reckon is a good pace - the workflow Robyn came >> up with is wonderfully simple) until, say, FUDCon when we can figure out >> a more stable scheduling/distribution of responsibilities? > > I'll do that :-) Let me know what has to be done and done it shall be! Paul, you *rock.* Thanks for taking this on - it's great to have someone with editorial-fu kicking off FI content. Things I can think of... 1. Make an account on the publictest system so you can play with zikula a bit, if you haven't done so already. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Check_it_out.21 (Probably a 15-20 min thing at most - just sort of getting a general feel for what zikula does.) 2. Start looking at the material coming down the pipeline and carry the big stick of deadline-ness when you think it's appropriate. ;) I think you know better than I about what to do here... Sources I know about so far: * FWN, of course; that's taken care of by the News folks, so no worries here. * JonRob's thread about Planet content - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00145.html - generally, watching for and repurposing good Planet posts is probably the easiest way of getting good material to start with. This idea goes way back to the first bunch of notes about FI (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content). * https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/11 is being done by Martin, but I'm not sure what he's writing exactly or when things will be done by * https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 is an idea that nobody picked up on yet * any F12 deliverables we've done / will do, like talking points and feature profiles * the folks at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Volunteer might be interested in doing the same thing for FI (like this Paul F. Johnson fellow who was kind enough to offer to edit...) * ...and then whatever else you can think of and drum up that would balance things out more - comics, pictures, interviews, designs, screencasts? I defer to your editorial mojo. 3. We need content running for 8 weeks - from October 14 (FI launch day) through December 8 (end of FUDCon, after which we should have a longer-term notion of how this will work out). So however you want to set up the editing/approval/publish/etc workflow is cool, just document it somewhere and shout to the list when it's up. As to where to keep stuff before the production instance of FI goes live... anywhere you want, although I believe if you put things into a zikula instance (like the one on publictest) we can just import the database once the production instance is up, so you can hop to the new site and keep on working with nary a hiccup. That's all I can think of... I think you have everything now. Is there anything else you need? I'm probably missing some bits here (folks, chime in if you can think of anything), so if you want to hang out on IRC while you start working through this, or toss questions back and forth either on this list or in #fedora-mktg, just holler. Thanks again! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 30 06:59:58 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:59:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight: FWN experimentation In-Reply-To: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> References: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> Message-ID: <4AC301EE.2000804@redhat.com> Simon's got pretty much everything else covered, so... > 3) We need to decision what level to create news items at. If there is a > desire to continue FWN as a identifiable entity, there would be value in > presenting news stories at the beat[1] level, and marked and tagged as > such. People could subscribe to FWN content by subscribing to anything > tagged as FWN, and using the categories, people could do the same as well > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats +1 to continuing FWN as an identifiable entity - fwiw, I agree that a beat is the right level to chunk content into (as opposed to "all of FWN in one post" or "individual items within a beat each make up their own numerous tiny posts"). Not sure how that works out with categories and tags, but I'm sure that it will rock, however you folks decide to make it happen zikula-wise. ;) > I plan to attend FUDCon Toronto in December and hopefully we can spend > some quality time hacking on this on the Sunday and Monday. +100! I really think this FUDCon is going to leapfrog us ahead in terms of Cool Content Things by making it far easier to do so - with zikula as a platform to work from and marketing research to help us figure out where to aim, we're actually starting to gather and build an infrastructure and a set of tools for Doing Fedora Marketing. Sweet. Abe Lincoln once said "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." We're coming out with Axe v.1.0 right now. ;) --Mel From tatica at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 30 20:08:44 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:38:44 -0430 Subject: Fedora People on PBOOK-flickr Message-ID: <27a6293b0909301308u185c4fd2neda2d8971c04c376@mail.gmail.com> Hello to all. I've using flickr since some months and I think that this could help us to get more photos for our picture book. People just need to add their pictures to the group and read the description. I need a little help with the full terms, so if you have ideas... go ahead :D Also I add a pic, so if you're ready to start sharing them, just log into flickr and add your photos to the group. http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora_people/ -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else"