From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jan 1 19:59:34 2010 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:59:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Contributor Spotlight Podcast In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0912230515n7a326044k2ec3cfbd02275574@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912191821.45154.ry@n.rix.si> <4B2DA7DC.8020106@redhat.com> <27a6293b0912230515n7a326044k2ec3cfbd02275574@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: (Catching up on email after vacation) > question: should all interviews be made in english? might be the easy > way to understand us all. Also we could use some translation after the > interviews so everyone can reach the content. I tend to believe that the international scope of Fedora is important. I'd say that folks can do the interview in whatever language they like, and we can always translate to English later if it's not already in English. But I think people should do what is most natural to them, in a project like this one. A few links were posted in other parts of this thread: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ContributorPodcast http://tatica.org/meet-fedora/ I'll look at those once I have internet access again, and if I have more thoughts, I'll share them. Happy New Year! --Max From mel at redhat.com Fri Jan 1 23:32:40 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:32:40 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Neville Cross In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3E8618.6070403@redhat.com> On 12/30/2009 05:35 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > * Full legal name > Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice. Welcome, Neville! It's great to see you in Marketing - I've been admiring your work in Ambassadors for quite some time. I just sponsored you for the FAS group. > * What do you want to talk about? > - Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is > useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the > beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say > to every one that Fedora has those tools. > -more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to > know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute. Ooh - you might be interested in a project Sakis Asamaras is heading up, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories. > * Anything else you'd like to do? > - Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can > increase world wide media hits. > - Help improve fedora distribution program. Kara mentioned she was looking for thoughts on international PR strategy - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_(NDN) might be a good thing to look at as well. Are there any Marketing projects you've seen that you'd like to get involved with, or any projects you're already doing that you'd like to add Marketing-fu to? It sounds like you might be able to teach us quite a bit about Marketing as well. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jan 2 00:02:31 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:02:31 -0500 Subject: FAD and some other stuff In-Reply-To: <200912280324.55838.ry@n.rix.si> References: <200912280324.55838.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <4B3E8D17.4020507@redhat.com> > Attached is a ODS of plane fare for the Marketing FAD compiled from me lazily > searchingk kayak... Wow - thanks, Ryan! > expensive as time goes on... looks like the cheapest place for us to meet is > DC, followed by Boston. Personally, I'm leaning towards Boston or Raleigh For the record: the estimates (for flights alone) from the spreadsheet are: Washington DC - $1574 Boston - $1694 Raleigh - $2136 I'm assuming we're going to have the FAD in NA since it seems to be the most central place for those interested in attending (though I would love to have future Marketing FADs outside NA, and to do everything we can to get non-NA Marketers to be able to fully participate in this). This doesn't take into account housing costs, which (if we need to do hotel rooms) could also get pretty expensive. I don't know what the couchsurfing situation is in each location and how people feel about couchsurfing, or how it's been done for prior FADs, but these are the people we would /not/ need to figure out housing for at each location: Washington DC: 1 (Paul) Boston: 1 (Mel) Raleigh: 2 (Kara, Max) ... I think that what we actually need right now is a hard number for a budget, so we know what in the way of resources we have, and whether we should be pouring those resources into getting everyone together, or into making this into a "you can participate remotely!" FAD, etc. Let's see if we can nail that - and the final details - down... possibly not at the next meeting this coming Tuesday (although we can probably get a hard number for budget by then), but by the end of the next one on Jan 12th. --Mel From nacross at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 01:34:28 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:34:28 -0600 Subject: Self-Introduction: Neville Cross In-Reply-To: <4B3E8618.6070403@redhat.com> References: <4B3E8618.6070403@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > On 12/30/2009 05:35 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: >> >> * Full legal name >> Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice. > > Welcome, Neville! It's great to see you in Marketing - I've been admiring > your work in Ambassadors for quite some time. I just sponsored you for the > FAS group. > I feel under the spot light, I hope I can keep up. Thanks for sponsoring me. >> * What do you want to talk about? >> - Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is >> useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the >> beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say >> to every one that Fedora has those tools. > >> -more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to >> know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute. > > Ooh - you might be interested in a project Sakis Asamaras is heading up, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories. > I have come across this, but forgot. I will contact Sakis, and try to add a couple of articles to this initiative. >> * Anything else you'd like to do? >> - Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can >> increase world wide media hits. >> - Help improve fedora distribution program. > > Kara mentioned she was looking for thoughts on international PR strategy - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_(NDN) might > be a good thing to look at as well. > Yes, this may be a good challenge. Another thing to write some ideas/experiences. > Are there any Marketing projects you've seen that you'd like to get involved > with, or any projects you're already doing that you'd like to add > Marketing-fu to? It sounds like you might be able to teach us quite a bit > about Marketing as well. ;) > > --Mel > I don't have any specific project on mind. I will collaborate with your suggestions as starting point. I will love to have some mentor-ship to guide me on where I can put my efforts at work. Thanks for your warm welcome. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sat Jan 2 02:37:30 2010 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:37:30 +0100 Subject: FAD and some other stuff In-Reply-To: <4B3E8D17.4020507@redhat.com> References: <200912280324.55838.ry@n.rix.si> <4B3E8D17.4020507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B3EB16A.8@gmx.de> Hy, > > ... I think that what we actually need right now is a hard number for > a budget, so we know what in the way of resources we have, and whether > we should be pouring those resources into getting everyone together, > or into making this into a "you can participate remotely!" FAD, etc. Hopefully we could get all together for once for our first FAD. > > Let's see if we can nail that - and the final details - down... > possibly not at the next meeting this coming Tuesday (although we can > probably get a hard number for budget by then), but by the end of the > next one on Jan 12th. I added some lines to the agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 under "sideline". I thought that we could take the opportunity to take some "Fedora Images" for the hopefully upcoming photobook and for a kind of press/photo archive startup. I think there will be some photographers beside me among us. The archive will also ease our later work for later, because many texts, photos, Event-Coverage, etc. will show us the way... The archive thing should be implemented to the upcoming Zikula CMS, but we could do some research and how that could be in. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From mel at redhat.com Sat Jan 2 04:47:36 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:47:36 -0500 Subject: FAD and some other stuff In-Reply-To: <4B3EB16A.8@gmx.de> References: <200912280324.55838.ry@n.rix.si> <4B3E8D17.4020507@redhat.com> <4B3EB16A.8@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4B3ECFE8.5000001@redhat.com> >> ... I think that what we actually need right now is a hard number for >> a budget, so we know what in the way of resources we have, and whether >> we should be pouring those resources into getting everyone together, >> or into making this into a "you can participate remotely!" FAD, etc. > Hopefully we could get all together for once for our first FAD. We have a ceiling of somewhere around $3k, so let's switch into "get everyone together" mode. I'd like to see if we can pull travel and housing for everybody off for $2500 so we have some buffer room for things like a rental car (if needed) and food. Any thoughts on length-of-FAD? I'm not sure what people's work schedules look like, but if we overlap with weekend days to minimize the amount of schedule-shifting folks who aren't on school vacation have to do, some 4-day options would be Thursday-Sunday, Wednesday-Saturday, and Saturday-Tuesday. The last one is my current favorite because we'd start out with a weekend to plan and gear up base material, and then have 2 full workdays to find engineers to interview, talk with RH PR folks, etc... and end with our normal Tuesday meeting time and use it to sync up everyone who can't physically make it. Hotel rooms in Raleigh are cheaper than in pretty much any other location - we can get pretty nice doubles for about $30/person/night. Just thinking out loud right now. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Jan 2 22:06:32 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:06:32 -0500 Subject: FI content workflow Message-ID: <4B3FC368.8040001@redhat.com> I tried drafting out an ascii version of the workflow I saw being tossed around at FUDCon - thoughts? Is this accurate? Workable? It's pretty simple. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow (I'm not sure if I'm using the word "workflow" in the same way that FWN uses it - if there's another word I should use instead, or some way this diagram ought to be revised, please ping - or edit the wiki version. ;) --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 21:20:46 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:20:46 -0500 Subject: F13 Schedule - question! In-Reply-To: <4B31A46C.3060208@redhat.com> References: <5d4d90c90912210001q777c963dwa9e20f37b41f9528@mail.gmail.com> <4B31A46C.3060208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20100103212046.GO7568@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:02:36AM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: > On 12/21/2009 03:01 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > >On poelcat's F13 draft schedule (see: > >http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html), > >tasks 13 and 15 are to update / freeze the Fedora tour page. Since > >we're doing the one-page release notes in lieu of the Fedora tour > >page, should we remove those tasks from the schedule (I'm assuming > >so...)? > > Yes. > > >Should the one-page release notes draft / completion dates be > >rearranged to be more in line with when the Fedora tour pages were > >done, or are we comfortable with those dates and how they fall into > >the grander scheme of things? > > The completion dates for the one-page/tour as we have them right now > are good, but this was a good sanity check to run. > > >Also - shall we put a note on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours > >reflecting that we now do one-pg release notes instead of Tours, so > >that anyone looking for a Tour isn't wondering why the heck we didn't > >have one for F12 (or F13, and so forth)? > > Yes! We should do this when we revise the SOPs. > > Thanks for bringing this up, Robyn - I think we're shaping up to > have a really solid F13 schedule. Now all we have to do is clean up > Trac. :) Late, but +1 to Robyn's suggestion on eliminating confusion with a link. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 21:29:26 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:29:26 -0500 Subject: Openoffice.org EOL announcement In-Reply-To: <4B34C95C.5070802@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B34C95C.5070802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20100103212926.GP7568@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:47:00PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I like the FAQ they have in the EOL announcement. Fedora could learn > from this. > > http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=407 I added this link to the EOL SOP currently under development: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/End_of_life_SOP I also added a link to that page on the main EOL page so it would be easier for you or anyone else to help contribute directly to it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Mon Jan 4 05:41:56 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:41:56 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users Message-ID: <4B417FA4.9040801@redhat.com> Forwarded with Michael Tiemann's permission. The short version: should we look into (1) figuring out an optional (opt-in, I'd suggest) tweak to get Fedora-specific search results when looking for Linux howtos, and/or (2) SEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization) at some point? --Mel -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:13:05 -0500 From: Michael Tiemann Kara Schiltz wrote: > Computerworld > 12.16.09 > > Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users > By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > > [clip] > > Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me > as being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable of > contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, you're > going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro > for you. I just installed Fedora 12 (DVD iso x86_64) this past weekend on a very hostile piece of hardware: an old MacBookPro version 2,1. By hostile I mean that it's now old enough to reject the installation of modern versions of Mac OSX. The installation process went perfectly smoothly until it was time to reboot, and that failed because the MBR and/or the GPT has a "bootable" flag that needed to be reset. I reset the flag, and then grub failed. Some googling led me to question whether my ext4 boot partition was really a proper choice, and when I backed up /boot to some temp space in my rescued filesystem image, reformatted /boot as ext2, and restored the contents, everything worked perfectly thereafter. WIN! What does this have to do with Ubuntu, the implied distro for non-power users, you might ask? I have yet to find a way to search via Google for answers to my Fedora problems without Ubuntu being a prominent, if not nearly exclusive search result. Well, that's not quite true...by adding +fedora -ubuntu I start to get the kinds of results I'm looking for, but by golly for all that Google is supposed to be my Big Brother, it keeps trying to lead me away from Fedora and over to Ubuntu. If there were some way to make technical support help focus on the OS installed on one's machine, I think we'd find at least a level playing field. Any way we could set up Mozilla preferences (and other browsers) to treat "Linux" like Fedora? M -- GPG Key: F0AD 3368 D24A 56CD A2AD 6A12 CAB3 2E89 EA0A C0E4 The structure of world peace cannot be the work of one man, or one party, or one nation...it must be a peace which rests on the cooperative effort of the whole world. -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt Part of the tragedy is of the artist is that there is no real goal in achieving what you are naturally good at. The real satisfaction lies in the things you accomplish by practice and effort. -- Joris van den Berg, commenting on the death of H. Cartier Bresson Dream so big you can share -- me From mel at redhat.com Mon Jan 4 05:42:28 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:42:28 -0500 Subject: Thanks to David Ramsey for starting a F13 Slogan page! In-Reply-To: References: <21461b360912141450g2f24e2e7s58ca73ebd2ab2bac@mail.gmail.com>, <50baabb30912231616j73a6c72ei4bf07c9b435caddf@mail.gmail.com>, <4B32B560.80109@redhat.com>, <50baabb30912231638q2daaac8bh1a122d51e4af91ab@mail.gmail.com>, <4B32BABF.70903@redhat.com>, <50baabb30912231700s2ba7f2c4u12b617f3620bdc2@mail.gmail.com>, <4B32C081.2060509@redhat.com>, <50baabb30912232237j7d7a0bb2wd5a918940a833ee@mail.gmail.com>, <4B3324A7.8040104@redhat.com> <4B332FE3.4080205@internexusconnect.net>, <50baabb30912241643m3e4979aaw692a44e2f9350a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B417FC4.3060806@redhat.com> (from https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00327.html) On 12/29/2009 12:03 AM, David Ramsey wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Greetings. :) > > ================================================= > > I like this "Fedora 12 one page release notes" - > > A very professional looking page. :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > > ================================================= > > I like the Fedora 12 'Constantine' "F12 release slogan" - > > Unite. :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan > > ================================================= > > I have made an update for Fedora 13 "Goddard" - > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables > > for the "F13 release slogan" - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan Thanks for making the page, David! We'll be making the big "help us pick a slogan!" public call for participation in February (see task #5 in http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html) but starting early is almost never a bad idea. ;) --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 06:18:19 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:18:19 -0700 Subject: Thanks to David Ramsey for starting a F13 Slogan page! In-Reply-To: <4B417FC4.3060806@redhat.com> References: <21461b360912141450g2f24e2e7s58ca73ebd2ab2bac@mail.gmail.com> <4B32BABF.70903@redhat.com> <50baabb30912231700s2ba7f2c4u12b617f3620bdc2@mail.gmail.com> <4B32C081.2060509@redhat.com> <50baabb30912232237j7d7a0bb2wd5a918940a833ee@mail.gmail.com> <4B3324A7.8040104@redhat.com> <4B332FE3.4080205@internexusconnect.net> <50baabb30912241643m3e4979aaw692a44e2f9350a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B417FC4.3060806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001032218l127aceeo496a9535af8e56b1@mail.gmail.com> Fun! I filled in my placeholder for my idea from when I built the template page, since I couldn't contain it anymore. "Rock it!" ;) On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > (from > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00327.html) > > On 12/29/2009 12:03 AM, David Ramsey wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Greetings. :) >> >> ================================================= >> >> I like this "Fedora 12 one page release notes" - >> >> A very professional looking page. ?:) >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes >> >> ================================================= >> >> I like the Fedora 12 'Constantine' "F12 release slogan" - >> >> Unite. ?:) >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan >> >> ================================================= >> >> I have made an update for Fedora 13 "Goddard" - >> >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables >> >> for the "F13 release slogan" - >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan > > Thanks for making the page, David! > > We'll be making the big "help us pick a slogan!" public call for > participation in February (see task #5 in > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html) > but starting early is almost never a bad idea. ;) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 06:42:11 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:42:11 -0700 Subject: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users In-Reply-To: <4B417FA4.9040801@redhat.com> References: <4B417FA4.9040801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001032242v184cf3adu7fce1d6d818d6338@mail.gmail.com> A few "first blush" thoughts, I'll think more on this though: 1) Tiemann's idea on setting preferences to treat "linux" as "fedora" is interesting. One problem I can see with that is that if the browser with the preferences is, say, not yet installed because the user is going through some process similar to what he's went through below, and they happen to be a first-time user or this is (or going to be) their only Fedora machine, then they're defaulting to going and using google on their "other" machine, which isn't going to have those preferences anyhow. 2) Unless we make the distinction -VERY VERY- clear when people are installing that we are going to be slightly altering their google results via some set preference, I could see a lot of community uproar over this, particularly from developers who are developing / testing on multiple platforms, who don't necessarily want to have fedora-tuned results. 3) All that said - rather than changing preferences, doing something like a Fedora toolbar that is a plug-in to the browser might be a better idea. We could probably include a google search box that would tune search results, links to community "stuff" like mailing lists and documentation, etc. (And Fedora Insight!) We could recommend that people install it (a) when they're installing the Fedora OS, and/or (b) when they're downloading it, quite possibly from a machine that is -not- the machine they will be installing it on, and would be the machine they would be consulting in the very unlikely situation that they do not have a flawless installation. :) ie: "Installing Fedora? We don't anticipate that you'll need our help. But if you do, this toolbar has the magic." 4) SEO -never- hurts. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Forwarded with Michael Tiemann's permission. The short version: should we > look into (1) figuring out an optional (opt-in, I'd suggest) tweak to get > Fedora-specific search results when looking for Linux howtos, and/or (2) SEO > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization) at some point? > > --Mel > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:13:05 -0500 > From: Michael Tiemann > > Kara Schiltz wrote: >> >> Computerworld >> 12.16.09 >> >> Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users >> By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols >> >> [clip] >> >> Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me >> as being "first and foremost for users interested in and capable of >> contributing to open source." So if you're a Linux power user, you're >> going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro >> for you. > > I just installed Fedora 12 (DVD iso x86_64) this past weekend on a very > hostile piece of hardware: an old MacBookPro version 2,1. ?By hostile I > mean that it's now old enough to reject the installation of modern > versions of Mac OSX. ?The installation process went perfectly smoothly > until it was time to reboot, and that failed because the MBR and/or the > GPT has a "bootable" flag that needed to be reset. ?I reset the flag, > and then grub failed. ?Some googling led me to question whether my ext4 > boot partition was really a proper choice, and when I backed up /boot to > some temp space in my rescued filesystem image, reformatted /boot as > ext2, and restored the contents, everything worked perfectly > thereafter. ?WIN! > > What does this have to do with Ubuntu, the implied distro for non-power > users, you might ask? > > I have yet to find a way to search via Google for answers to my Fedora > problems without Ubuntu being a prominent, if not nearly exclusive > search result. ?Well, that's not quite true...by adding +fedora -ubuntu > I start to get the kinds of results I'm looking for, but by golly for > all that Google is supposed to be my Big Brother, it keeps trying to > lead me away from Fedora and over to Ubuntu. > > If there were some way to make technical support help focus on the OS > installed on one's machine, I think we'd find at least a level playing > field. ?Any way we could set up Mozilla preferences (and other browsers) to > treat "Linux" like Fedora? > > M > > -- > GPG Key: F0AD 3368 D24A 56CD A2AD ?6A12 CAB3 2E89 EA0A C0E4 > > The structure of world peace cannot be the work of one man, or one > party, or one nation...it must be a peace which rests on the cooperative > effort of the whole world. -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > Part of the tragedy is of the artist is that there is no real goal in > achieving what you are naturally good at. The real satisfaction lies in > the things you accomplish by practice and effort. > ?-- Joris van den Berg, commenting on the death of H. Cartier Bresson > > Dream so big you can share -- me > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Mon Jan 4 09:25:13 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:25:13 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Jan 4 09:27:12 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:27:12 -0800 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations Message-ID: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> Last month, Robyn sent out a brilliant email about how to frame our tasks into goals centered around the Four Foundations: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-December/msg00070.html This happened to be the day after FUDCon when a lot of us were totally exhausted, so I think it got lost in the shuffle... but now is a good time to revisit it. > Greetings marketing friends, > > As some of you have probably read, I've been doing some thinking on > not just our specific, measurable goals for F13, but also the > marketing team's wider objectives and mission. In other words, we may > have this list of fabulous tasks we've brainstormed for F13, but what > are our end goals? > > I've come up with an idea I'd like to propose and/or get feedback on. > It may not be the perfect solution, but I think that it might get us > on the path to being more mission-oriented in future releases, if we > (a) decide to go down this route, and (b) decide at the end of F13 > that it was a worthwhile effort. > > The concept is to organize the tasks we work on around the four > foundations of Fedora - Freedom, Friends, Features, First (please see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations if you want the big > explanation on all of these things - I know they are each > intentionally easy-to-grasp concepts, but the bigger picture behind > each one is worth reading). For our team, what this would mean is > that each of our tasks should be focused on furthering one (or more) > of each of these foundations. Not to pin us in, necessarily - ideas > of all types will fall into one of these categories, generally - but > to make sure we aren't forgetting to focus on anything. Personally, I think this is a great idea - it immediately makes it clear how the things we're working on tie directly into the larger mission and goals of the entire project, points out a whole bunch of areas we could potentially expand into, and is (hopefully) an easier way for new folks with marketing backgrounds to engage with the project (easier than "look, a pile of potentially connected tasks - want to take one?" in any case). > I've written a bit down about each foundation - this is of course just > me brainstorming a bit, I would love to hear more ideas on solidifying > these if other team members think it is a good idea. (And by > solidifying, I mean into slightly more concise statements :D ) Under > each one, I've listed some of the tasks that might fall into that > category. (The task lists aren't comprehensive - I've just typed > things in here, so don't get mad if your idea isn't here!) > > > Freedom: Use FOSS tools as much as possible (or practical) in > production of Marketing materials, and do our best to support > solutions that may work in the future. (Side note: See mizmo's post to > the marketing list on making the fedora video - it wasn't entirely > practical, but bugs were filed, discussions are ongoing, this is GOOD! > And awesome video btw, I know you've heard it already but I'm just > sayin' it again :D.) Give marketing contributors the freedom and > knowledge to work on projects as they choose. Practice openness, and > give process more transparency. > - HOWTO's on how to make all Marketing deliverables > - translations and i18n workflow for marketing stuff > - Cross-training of team members for things like Zikula Design does something similar, and there's been some conversation in the Docs team about making that explicit in the Docs mission statement as well (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Docs_Project_mission_statement) - I think making sure that there's a FOSS toolchain with which *anyone* can do open source marketing is a great idea and we should specifically call out the things in that toolchain at some point - it might make a good presentation at a marketing conference, for instance. > Friends: Continue to develop and extend not only the Fedora marketing > community, but also the Fedora community in general. > - Grow the number of marketing contributors - teach Marketing classes in Classroom to grow the depth of the Fedora community's knowledge about marketing, what it is, how to do it, etc. > - Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary desktop OS Personally, I find the next goal far more interesting... > - Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and > each contribute at least one thing. I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I would love to see a case study (see http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. - FUDCon - Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide This one's Ambassadors, imo - but the two groups should continue to find ways to work more closely together. - Marketing FAD - RH Summit Yep, we should find out what's going on with this - not having been to one of these before myself, I'm not sure what the opportunities here look like, or how we fit in, but I think it's definitely worth exploring. Mo and Paul and several others on this list have been at the Fedora booth at RH Summits before (I think Mo and Paul went to the one this past summer) but that's about all I know. > - Podcasts > Features: Enhance Fedora's marketing presence with new features, and > ensure that Fedora distro features are highlighted in a timely way. Bingo. Most of Marketing's work in the past has centered around this area, but there's still a lot we haven't explored (most of the things on the list below are brand-new or haven't started yet). > - Spin Chooser > - Fedora Insight > - Develop a sustainable cycle / schedule of marketing materials. > Developer Interviews, In-depth features, etc. > - Improve cross-team communication between marketing, docs, and QA for > improvements in material - marketing research - and eventually, when we get good at it, how it can feed more directly into the feature process as another stream of input for developers figuring out which itches they'd like to work on scratching. > First: Do New Things, and continually come up with New Ideas; review > their effectiveness when they are complete, and don't be afraid to > say, "That didn't work." > - Marketing Kits > - Fedora Print Magazine > - Time-Based Schedule > - Fedora Membership / Fellowship > - Keeping track of new ideas - a brief History of Marketing (major Marketing milestones for each release - when did we start doing X, when did we try Y and find out that it didn't work, etc?) - this might make an entertaining story session during the FAD. > Like I said - this is a brainstorm, of sorts, so I'd love to hear feedback. > > Cheers! > > -Robyn +infinity is my main comment here, honestly - this is great stuff. From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:54:27 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:54:27 -0500 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:27:12AM -0800, Mel Chua wrote: [...snip a bunch of brilliant stuff with which I agree...] > > I've written a bit down about each foundation - this is of course just > > me brainstorming a bit, I would love to hear more ideas on solidifying > > these if other team members think it is a good idea. (And by > > solidifying, I mean into slightly more concise statements :D ) Under > > each one, I've listed some of the tasks that might fall into that > > category. (The task lists aren't comprehensive - I've just typed > > things in here, so don't get mad if your idea isn't here!) > > > > > > Freedom: Use FOSS tools as much as possible (or practical) in > > production of Marketing materials, and do our best to support > > solutions that may work in the future. (Side note: See mizmo's post to > > the marketing list on making the fedora video - it wasn't entirely > > practical, but bugs were filed, discussions are ongoing, this is GOOD! > > And awesome video btw, I know you've heard it already but I'm just > > sayin' it again :D.) Give marketing contributors the freedom and > > knowledge to work on projects as they choose. Practice openness, and > > give process more transparency. > > - HOWTO's on how to make all Marketing deliverables > > - translations and i18n workflow for marketing stuff > > - Cross-training of team members for things like Zikula > > Design does something similar, and there's been some conversation in > the Docs team about making that explicit in the Docs mission > statement as well (see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Docs_Project_mission_statement) > - I think making sure that there's a FOSS toolchain with which > *anyone* can do open source marketing is a great idea and we should > specifically call out the things in that toolchain at some point - > it might make a good presentation at a marketing conference, for > instance. We always use 100% FOSS to the greatest possible extent, exclusively as possible. In areas where we have to deviate, we should be open about that as well. Marketeers realize there is a huge audience we can't reach without making materials available in ways they can digest. (Think MP3 for podcasts, and using Twitter or Facebook as examples of Web platforms where we can send out material.) Wherever possible we should use 100% FOSS *tools* even if they are a conduit to a platform that's not completely free. Hopefully it's a given that we should try and drive attention to and interest in the free alternatives! :-) This comment was maybe a little off topic but it often comes up when talking about marketing tools. We should hit the topic head-on when documenting marketing tools though. > > Friends: Continue to develop and extend not only the Fedora marketing > > community, but also the Fedora community in general. > > - Grow the number of marketing contributors > > - teach Marketing classes in Classroom to grow the depth of the > Fedora community's knowledge about marketing, what it is, how to do > it, etc. > > > - Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary desktop OS > > Personally, I find the next goal far more interesting... > > > - Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and > > each contribute at least one thing. > > I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I > would love to see a case study (see > http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and motivate college students to follow through with a contribution. Maybe that's what you mean by the case method? It's hard to tell from the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some experience with or knowledge about the method yourself. > > - FUDCon > > - Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide > > This one's Ambassadors, imo - but the two groups should continue to > find ways to work more closely together. Agree, Marketing's goals include production of material that helps Ambassadors present Fedora effectively. > > - Marketing FAD > > - RH Summit > > Yep, we should find out what's going on with this - not having been > to one of these before myself, I'm not sure what the opportunities > here look like, or how we fit in, but I think it's definitely worth > exploring. Mo and Paul and several others on this list have been at > the Fedora booth at RH Summits before (I think Mo and Paul went to > the one this past summer) but that's about all I know. This is a great topic now, while planning is underway for that event (refer to http://redhat.com/summit for details on the 2010 Summit). There will be a Fedora presence at the event, and it will depend somewhat on who can be available in Boston to staff the booth. That presence will not be a FUDCon, although we may endeavor to do more than simply have a booth. At the last Summit in Chicago, we organized setup, booth duty, etc. based on the available time of Fedora contributors. It was sometimes ad-hoc because many of the available people were actually attending the show on their own (or company's) time, but overall the booth work was very well spread out, everyone pitched in admirably, and we had a *LOT* of visitors. With a Boston-located Summit, we will have the potential benefit of a large number of Fedora contributors from the area who can help out at a booth, organize a series of campground talks (which are essentially ad-hoc, volunteer speaker sessions), and so on. I will start asking the organizers now about: * Booth passes for volunteers who are interested in helping out -- these might be limited to show floor only but it's still a valuable opportunity * A reserved room of some sort for Fedora and related next-generation technology talks The more we get into show representation, the more we probably want to migrate this specific topic over to the Ambassadors list to include all the right folks. Some Marketing specific deliverables might also include production of special show-timed flyers that give people general information about Fedora, and/or production of a Fedora 13 Live USB key for the event. > > - Podcasts > > > Features: Enhance Fedora's marketing presence with new features, and > > ensure that Fedora distro features are highlighted in a timely way. > > Bingo. Most of Marketing's work in the past has centered around this > area, but there's still a lot we haven't explored (most of the > things on the list below are brand-new or haven't started yet). > > > - Spin Chooser > > - Fedora Insight > > - Develop a sustainable cycle / schedule of marketing materials. > > Developer Interviews, In-depth features, etc. > > - Improve cross-team communication between marketing, docs, and QA for > > improvements in material > > - marketing research - and eventually, when we get good at it, how > it can feed more directly into the feature process as another stream > of input for developers figuring out which itches they'd like to > work on scratching. This is a brilliant idea too. I wonder whether, for example, Richard Hughes' development of the new color management system for GNOME was in part a result of discussions with people like Mo Duffy -- who as a designer needs good color management on the desktop. > > First: Do New Things, and continually come up with New Ideas; review > > their effectiveness when they are complete, and don't be afraid to > > say, "That didn't work." > > - Marketing Kits > > - Fedora Print Magazine > > - Time-Based Schedule > > - Fedora Membership / Fellowship > > - Keeping track of new ideas > > - a brief History of Marketing (major Marketing milestones for each > release - when did we start doing X, when did we try Y and find out > that it didn't work, etc?) - this might make an entertaining story > session during the FAD. Also serves as good briefing for new marketeers so we don't have to retread old ground unnecessarily. It's always good to revisit topics when there's something new to say about them -- it keeps us from stagnating, and we get the opportunity to feed new facts into the set of questions we ask like "Why do we do and not ?". At the same time, when there aren't any new facts, a new contributor might simply want a direct answer to that question, for which a history & FAQ is the clearest and most direct solution. > > Like I said - this is a brainstorm, of sorts, so I'd love to hear > > feedback. > > +infinity is my main comment here, honestly - this is great stuff. Disco! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 15:48:25 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:48:25 +0300 Subject: Openoffice.org EOL announcement In-Reply-To: <20100103212926.GP7568@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B34C95C.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <20100103212926.GP7568@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: hi, sorry to ask this but what do you mean by fedora could learn from the end of life.? thanx, frankie On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:47:00PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> I like the FAQ they have in the EOL announcement. ?Fedora could learn >> from this. >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=407 > > I added this link to the EOL SOP currently under development: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/End_of_life_SOP > > I also added a link to that page on the main EOL page so it would be > easier for you or anyone else to help contribute directly to it. > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Mon Jan 4 15:57:45 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:57:45 -0500 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B420FF9.3040100@redhat.com> (I'm pulling out one section of the thread for a moment, but hope discussion continues on the other ideas brought up as well.) >> I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I >> would love to see a case study (see >> http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. > > What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for > meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and > motivate college students to follow through with a contribution. > Maybe that's what you mean by the case method? It's hard to tell from > the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some > experience with or knowledge about the method yourself. What I think you're talking about is a case study - documenting what we do as a way to make it easier for others to follow. I think we should be a case study of how open source projects can interact with the case method of teaching, which is a particular thing. The case method is a particular way of teaching that I believe is mostly associated with MBA programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_method. Most of the cases I've seen come from Harvard, which has an extensive collection of them (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/howthecasemethodworks.html, http://www.hbs.edu/learning/case.html - for an example, see http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for an explanation and http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for the abstract to an actual case.) Think of a case as... an .rpm for curricular content for MBAs. It's a format and delivery mechanism schools are used to. (Someone who actually has an MBA may want to step in and correct me at this point.) There's one on Red Hat, though it's 10 years old by now: http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=600009-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=35930 There's also one called "Linux in 2004": http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=705407-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=45690 Here's the interesting opportunity: these cases are written about companies - there are no cases (yet!) about communities doing many of the same things The Open Source Way. From nacross at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:26:59 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:26:59 -0600 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <4B420FF9.3040100@redhat.com> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B420FF9.3040100@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > (I'm pulling out one section of the thread for a moment, but hope discussion > continues on the other ideas brought up as well.) > >>> I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I >>> would love to see a case study (see >>> http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. >> >> What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for >> meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and >> motivate college students to follow through with a contribution. >> Maybe that's what you mean by the case method? ?It's hard to tell from >> the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some >> experience with or knowledge about the method yourself. > > What I think you're talking about is a case study - documenting what we do > as a way to make it easier for others to follow. I think we should be a case > study of how open source projects can interact with the case method of > teaching, which is a particular thing. > > The case method is a particular way of teaching that I believe is mostly > associated with MBA programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_method. Most > of the cases I've seen come from Harvard, which has an extensive collection > of them (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/howthecasemethodworks.html, > http://www.hbs.edu/learning/case.html - for an example, see > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for an explanation and > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for the abstract to an actual case.) > > Think of a case as... an .rpm for curricular content for MBAs. It's a format > and delivery mechanism schools are used to. (Someone who actually has an MBA > may want to step in and correct me at this point.) > > There's one on Red Hat, though it's 10 years old by now: > http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=600009-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=35930 > > There's also one called "Linux in 2004": > http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=705407-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=45690 > > Here's the interesting opportunity: these cases are written about companies > - there are no cases (yet!) about communities doing many of the same things > The Open Source Way. > I have been teaching in business and had to take a seminar on case study writing. Case studies are usually wrote to demonstrate and exercise some concepts that were discuses on class. That's why case studies are usually business focused. A new trend have emerge where companies think that if some one wrote about them can be a way of marketing. This has led to some documents that are half case-study half white-papers. White papers in the sense of a success story. There are new needs for academics papers as there are a lot of new programs for NGO management were classical business case study does not fit. For instance, MBAs does not deal on how to recruit and motivate volunteers, which can be very important for NGO and for us. A good case-study, white-paper or mixture, should be a nice to read composition. It that sense, this case studies can have broader use. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:55:57 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:55:57 -0700 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B420FF9.3040100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001040855p1513d2a3p75225305f8da8677@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> (I'm pulling out one section of the thread for a moment, but hope discussion >> continues on the other ideas brought up as well.) >> >>>> I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I >>>> would love to see a case study (see >>>> http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. >>> >>> What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for >>> meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and >>> motivate college students to follow through with a contribution. >>> Maybe that's what you mean by the case method? ?It's hard to tell from >>> the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some >>> experience with or knowledge about the method yourself. >> >> What I think you're talking about is a case study - documenting what we do >> as a way to make it easier for others to follow. I think we should be a case >> study of how open source projects can interact with the case method of >> teaching, which is a particular thing. >> >> The case method is a particular way of teaching that I believe is mostly >> associated with MBA programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_method. Most >> of the cases I've seen come from Harvard, which has an extensive collection >> of them (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/howthecasemethodworks.html, >> http://www.hbs.edu/learning/case.html - for an example, see >> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for an explanation and >> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for the abstract to an actual case.) >> >> Think of a case as... an .rpm for curricular content for MBAs. It's a format >> and delivery mechanism schools are used to. (Someone who actually has an MBA >> may want to step in and correct me at this point.) >> >> There's one on Red Hat, though it's 10 years old by now: >> http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=600009-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=35930 >> >> There's also one called "Linux in 2004": >> http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=705407-PDF-ENG&conversationId=630649&E=45690 >> >> Here's the interesting opportunity: these cases are written about companies >> - there are no cases (yet!) about communities doing many of the same things >> The Open Source Way. >> > > I have been teaching in business and had to take a seminar on case > study writing. Case studies are usually wrote to demonstrate and > exercise some concepts that were discuses on class. That's why case > studies are usually business focused. > > A new trend have emerge where companies think that if some one wrote > about them can be a way of marketing. This has led to some documents > that are half case-study half white-papers. White papers in the sense > of a success story. > > There are new needs for academics papers as there are a lot of new > programs for NGO management were classical business case study does > not fit. For instance, MBAs does not deal on how to recruit and > motivate volunteers, which can be very important for NGO and for us. > > A good case-study, white-paper or mixture, should be a nice to read > composition. It that sense, this case studies can have broader use. > I think either way - the first step is to actually work on some ways to get college students contributing in a bigger way, before we can start case-studying/whitepapering our successes :) And I'd -really- like to see something where we're not just tapping engineering departments for braaaaaaaaaains, but also marketing students, English / technical writing students, art / design, journalism, foreign-language, and I'm sure we could probably find something for the students in the physics department to do, perhaps bending time and space to increase time to be a 28-hour day... :) There are a few routes we could take, not including all the ways I haven't thought of: - A basic in-school ambassador program (of sorts) where students are going out and getting other students to use Fedora, and possibly contribute to whatever they want - Mini-projects: Find university departments who have students who want to free-intern on something. Foreign language students can work on translation type things; IT departments with students who are interested in learning about infrastructure support. Groups of students can work on either on-going, continuous things, or taking on project launches. - Larger projects: Get a student "leader" at a school (we'll call her a mini-stickster!) who may be on an official "internship", paid with small stipend or unpaid, maybe with bonus goodies (we'll send you to a conference!). A project where there might be marketing students working on a marketing plan for some new feature that the engineering students are working on, foreign-language students doing translation of what the english / technical writing students are pumping out for documentation. In other words, a real, honest-to-goodness, cross-team project. I'm just braindumping, of course - Mel also sent an email a while back that was a beginning-of-the-thought-train on getting students involved, which I would reference here but my search skillz seem to be rusty this morning. :\ And you KNOW we have to call it F(ed)ora or something like that. Although that kind of looks like the Project Red branding (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_Red)... maybe F.Edora :) -robyn > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sebastian at when.com Mon Jan 4 18:07:25 2010 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:07:25 +0100 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:27:12AM -0800, Mel Chua wrote: > [...snip a bunch of brilliant stuff with which I agree...] [snip some more stuff to focus on the summit] >>> - RH Summit >> >> Yep, we should find out what's going on with this - not having been >> to one of these before myself, I'm not sure what the opportunities >> here look like, or how we fit in, but I think it's definitely worth >> exploring. Mo and Paul and several others on this list have been at >> the Fedora booth at RH Summits before (I think Mo and Paul went to >> the one this past summer) but that's about all I know. > > This is a great topic now, while planning is underway for that event > (refer to http://redhat.com/summit for details on the 2010 Summit). > There will be a Fedora presence at the event, and it will depend > somewhat on who can be available in Boston to staff the booth. That > presence will not be a FUDCon, although we may endeavor to do more > than simply have a booth. > > At the last Summit in Chicago, we organized setup, booth duty, > etc. based on the available time of Fedora contributors. It was > sometimes ad-hoc because many of the available people were actually > attending the show on their own (or company's) time, but overall the > booth work was very well spread out, everyone pitched in admirably, > and we had a *LOT* of visitors. > > With a Boston-located Summit, we will have the potential benefit of a > large number of Fedora contributors from the area who can help out at > a booth, organize a series of campground talks (which are essentially > ad-hoc, volunteer speaker sessions), and so on. > > I will start asking the organizers now about: > > * Booth passes for volunteers who are interested in helping out -- > these might be limited to show floor only but it's still a valuable > opportunity > > * A reserved room of some sort for Fedora and related next-generation > technology talks I don't know whether it would be appropriate for such a reserved room or rather directly the summit, but I've thrown some ideas in the wiki on a possible session I'd be interested in giving and wanted to toss it up for comments & thoughts. Shoot! :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sdz/Summit_Session_Ideas > The more we get into show representation, the more we probably want to > migrate this specific topic over to the Ambassadors list to include > all the right folks. > > Some Marketing specific deliverables might also include production of > special show-timed flyers that give people general information about > Fedora, and/or production of a Fedora 13 Live USB key for the event. Would be happy to help especially with the latter part! --Sebastian From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 18:36:40 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:36:40 +0300 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> Message-ID: I am agreeing more with Robin's idea. I now a few people at my university that wold love to work on fedora project..marketing...coding....documantation and spreading the word..even though it is at a minimal fee...the most important thing though is not the fee...remember NOT the fee...they are looking for something to show on their C.V that they once did something for you. If you access this.you are good to go. I am a computer science student at university and trust me when I say we do have some god skill in that campus that could be used. There is only one weak point.How do u get to know on what criteria these people are chosen.If we can set a standard and make sure this standard is followed then we have succeeded.if not then we shall be in a big problem. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:27:12AM -0800, Mel Chua wrote: >> [...snip a bunch of brilliant stuff with which I agree...] > > [snip some more stuff to focus on the summit] > >>>> - RH Summit >>> >>> Yep, we should find out what's going on with this - not having been >>> to one of these before myself, I'm not sure what the opportunities >>> here look like, or how we fit in, but I think it's definitely worth >>> exploring. Mo and Paul and several others on this list have been at >>> the Fedora booth at RH Summits before (I think Mo and Paul went to >>> the one this past summer) but that's about all I know. >> >> This is a great topic now, while planning is underway for that event >> (refer to http://redhat.com/summit for details on the 2010 Summit). >> There will be a Fedora presence at the event, and it will depend >> somewhat on who can be available in Boston to staff the booth. ?That >> presence will not be a FUDCon, although we may endeavor to do more >> than simply have a booth. >> >> At the last Summit in Chicago, we organized setup, booth duty, >> etc. based on the available time of Fedora contributors. ?It was >> sometimes ad-hoc because many of the available people were actually >> attending the show on their own (or company's) time, but overall the >> booth work was very well spread out, everyone pitched in admirably, >> and we had a *LOT* of visitors. >> >> With a Boston-located Summit, we will have the potential benefit of a >> large number of Fedora contributors from the area who can help out at >> a booth, organize a series of campground talks (which are essentially >> ad-hoc, volunteer speaker sessions), and so on. >> >> I will start asking the organizers now about: >> >> * Booth passes for volunteers who are interested in helping out -- >> ? these might be limited to show floor only but it's still a valuable >> ? opportunity >> >> * A reserved room of some sort for Fedora and related next-generation >> ? technology talks > > I don't know whether it would be appropriate for such a reserved room or > rather directly the summit, but I've thrown some ideas in the wiki on a > possible session I'd be interested in giving and wanted to toss it up for > comments & thoughts. Shoot! :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sdz/Summit_Session_Ideas > >> The more we get into show representation, the more we probably want to >> migrate this specific topic over to the Ambassadors list to include >> all the right folks. >> >> Some Marketing specific deliverables might also include production of >> special show-timed flyers that give people general information about >> Fedora, and/or production of a Fedora 13 Live USB key for the event. > > Would be happy to help especially with the latter part! > > --Sebastian > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 18:57:53 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:57:53 +0300 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sorry i am new to this..how does one attend this meeting? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. > > See you folks there! > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nacross at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:30:19 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:30:19 -0600 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Frankie Mangoa wrote: > I am agreeing more with Robin's idea. > I now a few people at my university that wold love to work on fedora > project..marketing...coding....documantation and spreading the > word..even though it is at a minimal fee...the most important thing > though is not the fee...remember NOT the fee...they are looking for > something to show on their C.V that they once did something for you. > If you access this.you are good to go. > > > I am a computer science student at university and trust me when I say > we do have some god skill in that campus that could be used. > There is only one weak point.How do u get to know on what criteria > these people are chosen.If we can set a standard and make sure this > standard is followed then we have succeeded.if not then we shall be in > a big problem. > > There is already something on progress: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors Going back to papers (case studies/white papers) ... We can look what we have achieve a case study on strength and weakness for our community would be of interest for any organisation or people dealing with that. Technology assessment can be another topic. Then we can plan ahead for future topics that we are working now, so we document it as we go... non-commercial marketing may be a good topic. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:38:15 2010 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:38:15 -0800 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Neville A. Cross > There is already something on progress: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors > > Thank you for bringing this up, Neville. There has been talk in #fedora-ambassadors and on the campus ambassadors mailing list about resurrecting this program which, essentially, has been dormant for several months. We'd welcome the participation of folks from marketing in this endeavor. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:46:57 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:46:57 +0300 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> Message-ID: hi, i must ask for forgiveness in my ignorant part.So I have read the part where it claims you register so that one can get to be one of them.but this has not been clearly defined.Is ever ambassador a campus one. I know this can go through in my university but i would like some assistance in knowing maybe how one person set this up so I can go ahead.Do I get any assistance from fedora and in what form? please let me know. thanks, frankie On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Frankie Mangoa wrote: >> I am agreeing more with Robin's idea. >> I now a few people at my university that wold love to work on fedora >> project..marketing...coding....documantation and spreading the >> word..even though it is at a minimal fee...the most important thing >> though is not the fee...remember NOT the fee...they are looking for >> something to show on their C.V that they once did something for you. >> If you access this.you are good to go. >> >> >> I am a computer science student at university and trust me when I say >> we do have some god skill in that campus that could be used. >> There is only one weak point.How do u get to know on what criteria >> these people are chosen.If we can set a standard and make sure this >> standard is followed then we have succeeded.if not then we shall be in >> a big problem. >> >> > > There is already something on progress: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors > > Going back to papers (case studies/white papers) ... We can look what > we have achieve a case study on strength and weakness for our > community would be of interest for any organisation or people dealing > with that. Technology assessment can be another topic. Then we can > plan ahead for future topics that we are working now, so we document > it as we go... non-commercial marketing may be a good topic. > > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From ry at n.rix.si Mon Jan 4 19:59:23 2010 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:59:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201001041259.32199.ry@n.rix.si> On Mon 4 January 2010 11:57:53 am Frankie Mangoa wrote: > sorry i am new to this..how does one attend this meeting? > Hi Frankie, Please take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC I think that the easiest way for you to attend, if you don't already have XChat or another IRC client installed is to point your browser of choice at http://webchat.freenode.net Enter a nickname, frankiem, or anything else you may be known by, and the channel is #fedora-meeting. 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URL: From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 20:01:36 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:01:36 +0300 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi guy, someone needs to look at that campus ambassador page carefully. According to the instructions it claims one is supposed to first get an account thus register as an ambassador.that is okay. the second phase is where the problem comes."register as a campus ambassador" Is this a different program because one the link to do this is not given.according to this one just has to like show their interest like by mailing fellow ambassadors and telling them more or less informing them.please correct me if i am wrong as maybe I am overlooking some issues. thanks On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Neville A. Cross > >> >> There is already something on progress: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors >> > > Thank you for bringing this up, Neville.? There has been talk in > #fedora-ambassadors and on the campus ambassadors mailing list about > resurrecting this program which, essentially, has been dormant for several > months.? We'd welcome the participation of folks from marketing in this > endeavor. > > Larry Cafiero > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 20:53:51 2010 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:53:51 -0800 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56081001041253i3368f6c7wed476201d8680475@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Frankie Mangoa wrote: > Hi guy, > someone needs to look at that campus ambassador page carefully. > According to the instructions it claims one is supposed to first get > an account thus register as an ambassador.that is okay. > the second phase is where the problem comes."register as a campus > ambassador" > I fixed this. One should already be a Fedora Ambassador before being a Campus Ambassador, and the page reflects this. So if you're an ambassador already, you're in. If not, follow the process to become a Fedora Ambassador. > Is this a different program because one the link to do this is not > given.according to this one just has to like show their interest like > by mailing fellow ambassadors and telling them more or less informing > them.please correct me if i am wrong as maybe I am overlooking some > issues. I'm not sure what you're asking here. There's a separate e-mail list for campus ambassadors, which the wiki invites you to join. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 21:45:15 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: Openoffice.org EOL announcement In-Reply-To: References: <4B34C95C.5070802@fedoraproject.org> <20100103212926.GP7568@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20100104214515.GW4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 06:48:25PM +0300, Frankie Mangoa wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:47:00PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I like the FAQ they have in the EOL announcement. ?Fedora could learn > >> from this. > >> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=407 > > > > I added this link to the EOL SOP currently under development: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/End_of_life_SOP > > > > I also added a link to that page on the main EOL page so it would be > > easier for you or anyone else to help contribute directly to it. > > hi, > sorry to ask this but what do you mean by fedora could learn from the > end of life.? I think what Rahul meant was that the content in their EOL message is somewhat more complete. At the very least we could include a pointer to more details on the wiki with similar information. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 21:59:53 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:59:53 -0700 Subject: Reminder: FUDCon Toronto Survey closes Friday night! Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001041359r4e43df42jd9017b58c8b6daad@mail.gmail.com> FUDCon Toronto (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009) may be over, but we still want to hear your (anonymous, of course!) thoughts on how it went. ?This is your friendly reminder that the FUDCon Toronto Survey will be available though 11:59pm PST Friday, January 8, 2010 (that's 07:59 UTC on Saturday, January 9). ?5 minutes of your time to answer 29 quick questions can help us make future FUDCons better than ever! If you... * attended FUDCon Toronto, either in-person or remotely via Fedora Live, please take this survey and tell us what you thought. * didn't attend FUDCon Toronto but wanted to, please take this survey and tell us how we can help you get to the next one. * didn't want to go to FUDCon Toronto, please take this survey and tell us why - it's anonymous. The survey is available at http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/index.php?sid=34266&lang=en Questions are previewable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_survey. ?We will be analyzing and announcing results shortly after the close of the survey. ?If you're curious about the process, interested in helping us analyze the results, or have any questions in general, join the conversation on the Fedora Marketing mailing list (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). From frankiemangoa at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 07:35:04 2010 From: frankiemangoa at gmail.com (Frankie Mangoa) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:35:04 +0300 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: <7a0d56081001041253i3368f6c7wed476201d8680475@mail.gmail.com> References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56081001041253i3368f6c7wed476201d8680475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: its okay you have answered my question.i am looking to be a campus ambassador. Is it possible for you to guide me to that page. thanks. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Frankie Mangoa > wrote: >> >> Hi guy, >> someone needs to look at that campus ambassador page carefully. >> According to the instructions it claims one is supposed to first get >> an account thus register as an ambassador.that is okay. >> the second phase is where the problem comes."register as a campus >> ambassador" > > I fixed this. One should already be a Fedora Ambassador before being a > Campus Ambassador, and the page reflects this. So if you're an ambassador > already, you're in. If not, follow the process to become a Fedora > Ambassador. > >> >> Is this a different program because one the link to do this is not >> given.according to this one just has to like show their interest like >> by mailing fellow ambassadors and telling them more or less informing >> them.please correct me if i am wrong as maybe I am overlooking some >> issues. > > I'm not sure what you're asking here. There's a separate e-mail list for > campus ambassadors, which the wiki invites you to join. > > Larry Cafiero > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 07:50:59 2010 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:50:59 -0800 Subject: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations In-Reply-To: References: <73524bd0a211a053c2880dbf4cf7a1b7@localhost.localdomain> <20100104145427.GG4449@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B422E5D.8090409@when.com> <7a0d56081001041138s5745d44ei60e3d801da2f8d0e@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56081001041253i3368f6c7wed476201d8680475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56081001042350g29861831g5765ff5ad3a11361@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Frankie Mangoa wrote: > its okay you have answered my question.i am looking to be a campus > ambassador. Is it possible for you to guide me to that page. > If you are a Fedora Ambassador already, just add yourself to the mailing list and the Campus Ambassador page. If you are not a Fedora Ambassador yet, go to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Jan 5 09:11:47 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:11:47 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Food for thought. Should we rethink out join page? Message-ID: <4B430253.8010202@redhat.com> Interesting idea here. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Food for thought. Should we rethink out join page? Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:32:01 -0200 From: Fabio Olive Leite Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Ol?! On 2009-12-31 Sascha Thomas Spreitzer wrote: > "Fedora. Rendering future of technology. Free technology, property of > us all." When I talk about Free Software, I usually finish up by concluding the many projects out there form the "human technological property/heritage", just like the many monuments, ancient scripts and other cultural elements that form the human history and heritage. Those "bodies of code" will remain available "forever" (whatever that means) and will continue to capture human thoughts and ideas expressed in code for everyone to read and learn. Perhaps we could have a slogan that reflects that idea? Something like: "Join Fedora and help shape and preserve the human technological heritage." Or maybe that gets a bit over the top, heheheh. :) Cheers, F?bio Oliv? -- ex sed lex awk yacc, e pluribus unix, amem na matem?tica das id?ias, permuta ? igual a adi??o e um debate inteligente implementa a multiplica??o -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From jwildebo at redhat.com Tue Jan 5 09:25:44 2010 From: jwildebo at redhat.com (Jan H Wildeboer) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:25:44 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Food for thought. Should we rethink out join page? In-Reply-To: <4B430253.8010202@redhat.com> References: <4B430253.8010202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B430598.4040804@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/05/2010 10:11 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Interesting idea here. Not sure. The real heritage here is not whatever broken or outdated software. The real heritage is the *process* and the *spirit* that guide Free Software and Open Source. Preserving (and fighting and defending) the Freedom to tinker and the Freedom to talk about it is the real heritage. IMHO. Jan - -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktDBZIACgkQpy9cOTrDyKsrYQCggUNKXCpL248RBb35rgfmTz9t 6kIAnAjpHL08RVyC9JI96gnKDxkYIhgw =O2Iw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue Jan 5 15:05:46 2010 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:05:46 -0500 Subject: Social Media resource - Engagement Marketing PodCast Message-ID: <4B43554A.7060403@webpath.net> Thought I'd pass on this podcast explaining how to use Social Media (Twitter, Facebook etc) as an Engagement Marketing tool. The CraftyPod website's audience lies somewhere in the Cottage industry of craft hobbyists, but the information is good for anyone wanting a better understanding of marketing with social media. > > *In this show:* > > . Let's look at Engagement Marketing, a very important tool for your > crafty business in the internet age. > > . We'll talk about how blogging, Twitter and Facebook can help you > reach new customers... if you use them wisely. > > . We'll also look at the most common online marketing mistakes I've > seen crafty business owners make in 2009. > **The show is about 20 minutes long and you can play it directly from the website or download it to listen off line. Just click the link below to get started. * * http://www.craftypod.com/2010/01/01/craftypod-106-engagement-marketing-for-your-crafty-business/ Enjoy, ~Karlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jan 5 17:10:41 2010 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:10:41 -0800 Subject: Updates to the F13 Marketing schedule In-Reply-To: <4B31A6AA.8010805@redhat.com> References: <4B31A6AA.8010805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B437291.8040608@redhat.com> Mel Chua said the following on 12/22/2009 09:12 PM Pacific Time: > Hi, John! > > Can you (at some point - not terribly vital and can wait until after the > holidays) make these changes to the Marketing schedule > (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html)? > > > 1. Delete tasks 13 and 15, which refer to a deliverable (the tour) we've > deprecated in favor of the one-page release notes (which serve the same > intended purpose). > > 2. Add a task called "Brief Ambassadors on upcoming release" to start on > 3/30 and end on 4/6. > Updates made. Let me know if I missed something. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html John From mel at redhat.com Tue Jan 5 21:14:59 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:14:59 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes 2010-01-05 Message-ID: <4B43ABD3.8070808@redhat.com> First meeting of the year! http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-05/fedora-meeting.2010-01-05-20.05.html - also available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2010 If you look at the minutes, you'll see we nailed down the FAD - it's to be a 4-day festival of Marketing glory in Raleigh in mid-March. Check the notes for details; we #info'd the high-level points. Also, as I noted during the meeting: I will be wearing my Project Management hat in Marketing a lot to push Fedora Insight through in the next month (so we can finish it already, and move the tech part to Websites) meaning I won't be able to spend much time on the strategic thinking stuff until then - so *thank you* to everyone for stepping up and driving the discussion on social media, PR, and the like, and please continue to do so! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 07:53:55 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:53:55 -0500 Subject: We are go on Marketing FAD dates - in-person attendees, start figuring out your transport/housing. Message-ID: <4B444193.6010409@redhat.com> Kara will be joining us! We're on for March 13-16 in Raleigh (airport: RDU). Check out the cost of your plane tickets, post estimates here - we'll start greenlighting budget and booking tickets (and hotel rooms) by next week's meeting (possibly earlier). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Flights If you need a room, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Housing. If you can host a visitor, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Accommodations. --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 08:29:20 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:29:20 -0700 Subject: We are go on Marketing FAD dates - in-person attendees, start figuring out your transport/housing. In-Reply-To: <4B444193.6010409@redhat.com> References: <4B444193.6010409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001060029j718dbd53y31e80f2cd10b9902@mail.gmail.com> I'm assuming that the plan is to fly in the night before? For those of us on the west coast at least.... On 1/6/10, Mel Chua wrote: > Kara will be joining us! We're on for March 13-16 in Raleigh (airport: RDU). > > Check out the cost of your plane tickets, post estimates here - we'll > start greenlighting budget and booking tickets (and hotel rooms) by next > week's meeting (possibly earlier). > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Flights > > If you need a room, see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Housing. > > If you can host a visitor, see > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Accommodations. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From mel at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 09:47:38 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:47:38 -0500 Subject: We are go on Marketing FAD dates - in-person attendees, start figuring out your transport/housing. In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c91001060029j718dbd53y31e80f2cd10b9902@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B444193.6010409@redhat.com> <5d4d90c91001060029j718dbd53y31e80f2cd10b9902@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B445C3A.7040705@redhat.com> On 01/06/2010 03:29 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I'm assuming that the plan is to fly in the night before? For those of > us on the west coast at least.... Yep - I'm planning on flying in on Friday night (for a Saturday morning start). From mel at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 09:48:54 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:48:54 -0500 Subject: Zikula hackfest whiteboard photos Message-ID: <4B445C86.9090302@redhat.com> These were from the FUDCon hackfest, photos thanks to Diana Martin. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Whiteboards The one I'm looking at right now is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Zikula-whiteboard-fudcon-toronto-02.png, which has Max's notes on content. --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 19:59:49 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:59:49 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001061159rdee7f44y29599b4a8c0ed344@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization feature profile from F12! https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf -Robyn From mel at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 21:14:23 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:14:23 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c91001061159rdee7f44y29599b4a8c0ed344@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c91001061159rdee7f44y29599b4a8c0ed344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B44FD2F.5030205@redhat.com> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... > In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost > the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization > feature profile from F12! > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf > > -Robyn Whoa, sweet. I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Jan 6 21:34:34 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:34:34 -0500 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads Message-ID: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> Thought this snippet from the EMEA Ambassadors meeting today was interesting - the thought of doing TV ads (and what would need to go into a solid proposal/gameplan for such an idea) was raised. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-06/fedora-meeting.2010-01-06-20.07.log.txt start at: 20:37:48 i visited the linux new media ag in munich end at: 21:10:01 #topic Anything else? Thought others here would find this interesting. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 07:49:27 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:49:27 -0500 Subject: Fedora-tour idea Message-ID: <4B459207.1060906@redhat.com> Feature idea from the channel tonight - sharing the results of brainstorming/thinking out loud. --- 05:19:30 If jrandom comes into #fedora saying "hey i just installed fedora, everything was simply stellar" we could do a quick "hey do you have five minutes? 05:20:20 PhrkOnLsh: I actually wonder... if... I'm thinking about fedora-tour now. 05:20:31 mchua: hmm :) 05:20:36 When you install Fedora from scratch, it prompts you at the end if you want to submit your smolt profile. 05:20:42 If you say yes, it automagically ships it off. 05:20:54 But what if - in Fedora-tour, or something - by the little "contribute" section, it went a bit further? 05:21:08 And said "hey, here are some things we'd love for you to check, and see if they work - try doing X, Y, Z" 05:21:42 and then a few minutes later, "congratulations you just submitted your first test case! now go see where it went, and who's going to pick it up from there..." 05:21:52 oh, that'd be interesting. 05:21:52 hmmm 05:21:55 yeah 05:21:58 "follow the open source white rabbit" 05:22:02 i like it 05:22:03 "hopefully down the rabbit hole" 05:22:04 :) 05:22:23 redpill! 05:22:39 follow the white rabbit, neo 05:22:42 (the Matrix, obviously, got the colors mixed up. Blue should be down the rabbit hole.) 05:23:04 take the redpill, install the blue linux :P From jwildebo at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 08:03:47 2010 From: jwildebo at redhat.com (Jan Wildeboer) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 03:03:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora-tour idea Message-ID: <53df01ca8f6f$f068eaf0$d13ac0d0$@com> Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See, Red Hat wants to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth like that? FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-) Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB ----- Original Message ----- From: fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Sent: Thu Jan 07 02:49:27 2010 Subject: Fedora-tour idea Feature idea from the channel tonight - sharing the results of brainstorming/thinking out loud. --- 05:19:30 If jrandom comes into #fedora saying "hey i just installed fedora, everything was simply stellar" we could do a quick "hey do you have five minutes? 05:20:20 PhrkOnLsh: I actually wonder... if... I'm thinking about fedora-tour now. 05:20:31 mchua: hmm :) 05:20:36 When you install Fedora from scratch, it prompts you at the end if you want to submit your smolt profile. 05:20:42 If you say yes, it automagically ships it off. 05:20:54 But what if - in Fedora-tour, or something - by the little "contribute" section, it went a bit further? 05:21:08 And said "hey, here are some things we'd love for you to check, and see if they work - try doing X, Y, Z" 05:21:42 and then a few minutes later, "congratulations you just submitted your first test case! now go see where it went, and who's going to pick it up from there..." 05:21:52 oh, that'd be interesting. 05:21:52 hmmm 05:21:55 yeah 05:21:58 "follow the open source white rabbit" 05:22:02 i like it 05:22:03 "hopefully down the rabbit hole" 05:22:04 :) 05:22:23 redpill! 05:22:39 follow the white rabbit, neo 05:22:42 (the Matrix, obviously, got the colors mixed up. Blue should be down the rabbit hole.) 05:23:04 take the redpill, install the blue linux :P -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From mel at redhat.com Thu Jan 7 08:10:50 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:10:50 -0500 Subject: Fedora-tour idea In-Reply-To: <53df01ca8f6f$f068eaf0$d13ac0d0$@com> References: <53df01ca8f6f$f068eaf0$d13ac0d0$@com> Message-ID: <4B45970A.1000800@redhat.com> On 01/07/2010 03:03 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See, Red Hat wants > to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth > like that? > > FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-) > > Jan Ooo. Thanks, Jan - we need more advocatus diaboli on this list. ;) It's an opt-in activity in the "do you want to learn how to contribute" section of fedora-tour; you won't have to do this - or even see it - if you're not interested. Basically, a "Learn More!" wizard instead of learn more!. Alternatively: Think of it as an included lesson people can choose to deploy if they're curious about how open source communities work together, and how they can begin contributing to that ecosystem if they take a look and decide they're interested. I imagine there would be a "are you interested in learning about $foo?" click, and then a "yes, I'd like to contribute in this way!" click; by the time they get to the "hello, I am a QA contributor" part, they'll know full well that's what they're doing, that they want to do it, and that they have a choice that will not disadvantage them in any way if they don't pick it. (Would this work as a counter? What holes are there in it?) --Mel From sdaly.be at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 09:56:27 2010 From: sdaly.be at gmail.com (Sean DALY) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:56:27 +0100 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> I would suggest that rather than focusing on the media channel, the starting point be the marketing strategy - who would be targeted by advertising, and what the objectives would be. Fedora marketing is traditionally oriented towards contributor recruitment, not end users or consumers in general, so after identifying the target the first question to ask would be: what media (or alternative method e.g. convention recruitment) would give best bang for the buck in reaching the target? Television is monstrously expensive; a 20" TVC on two channels in prime time over a week in a single western European country could easily cost a quarter of a million euros. That's after the production costs, and taking into account the huge media spend, you will want to be certain it's a great ad. Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time / publishers willing to donate print ad space. FWIW I talked about these issues here: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html Sean On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Thought this snippet from the EMEA Ambassadors meeting today was interesting > - the thought of doing TV ads (and what would need to go into a solid > proposal/gameplan for such an idea) was raised. > > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-06/fedora-meeting.2010-01-06-20.07.log.txt > > start at: > 20:37:48 i visited the linux new media ag in munich > > end at: > 21:10:01 #topic Anything else? > > Thought others here would find this interesting. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From nacross at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 14:31:37 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:31:37 -0600 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media > advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will > work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time / > publishers willing to donate print ad space. > > FWIW I talked about these issues here: > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html > > Sean > I came across some ideas for promoting Amateur Radio events on an ARRL magazine. What the suggested is that the organization at large produce some shorts videos about what they do, in the most generic way. They already have some material.[0] They leave some spaces where you can add up your specific information like dates of events and contact data of the nearest group. Then you can go to a local TV station and ask as a non-profit if the have some time avaliable. Usually they fill they lack of pay advertisements promoting their schedule (upcoming programs). They recommend that the material has to be exactly timed ... if you say 20 seconds should be that and not roughly 20 seconds. So the basic idea is to have ready material professional made, make room for localization and then locally negotiated with TV stations. This needs people skills to find a friend on the TV station to endorse this non-profit announce. It only will work if this more an announcement for a specific event that will justify the non-profit cause. If it looks like advertisement they will be trying to charge for it. This looks like a joint venture for marketing producing and ambassadors distributing. Sound fun to recycle ideas and adapt them to work for us. [0] http://www.hello-radio.org/ -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at gnsa.us Thu Jan 7 14:38:36 2010 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:38:36 -0500 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) iEYEARECAAYFAktF8eoACgkQkZOYj+cNI1fvuQCgh3MTO2xddJjD1hIM/gga4TPb 5F4AnAj45jY1USdrp0ENz+kYz5QyFD+K =xaF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > > > >> >> Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media >> advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will >> work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time / >> publishers willing to donate print ad space. >> >> FWIW I talked about these issues here: >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html >> >> Sean > > I came across some ideas for promoting Amateur Radio events on an ARRL > magazine. What the suggested is that the organization at large produce some > shorts videos about what they do, in the most generic way. They already have > some material.[0] They leave some spaces where you can add up your specific > information like dates of events and contact data of the nearest group. Then > you can go to a local TV station and ask as a non-profit if the have some > time avaliable. Usually they fill they lack of pay advertisements promoting > their schedule (upcoming programs). They recommend that the material has to > be exactly timed ... if you say 20 seconds should be that and not roughly 20 > seconds. > > So the basic idea is to have ready material professional made, make room for > localization and then locally negotiated with TV stations. This needs people > skills to find a friend on the TV station to endorse this non-profit > announce. It only will work if this more an announcement for a specific > event that will justify the non-profit cause. If it looks like advertisement > they will be trying to charge for it. This looks like a joint venture for > marketing producing and ambassadors distributing. > > Sound fun to recycle ideas and adapt them to work for us. > > [0] http://www.hello-radio.org/ > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > > We run into the problem that Fedora is not a non-profit - as a matter of fact, it doesn't really exist. The situation in EMEA is a bit different, with the existence of Fedora EMEA e.V. but still. BTW, I think it'd be awesome to promote FEL in QST. From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 14:47:06 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:47:06 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <4B44FD2F.5030205@redhat.com> References: <5d4d90c91001061159rdee7f44y29599b4a8c0ed344@mail.gmail.com> <4B44FD2F.5030205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20100107144706.GX17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: > On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > >Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... > >In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost > >the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization > >feature profile from F12! > > > >https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf > > > >-Robyn > > Whoa, sweet. > > I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles > for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what > happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the > virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the > technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") > > Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost > estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit > down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in > Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). First and foremost, GREAT article! Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? I couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the publisher licensed this for our use. I'll check with the uploader to find out. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 14:56:57 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:56:57 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <20100107144706.GX17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <5d4d90c91001061159rdee7f44y29599b4a8c0ed344@mail.gmail.com> <4B44FD2F.5030205@redhat.com> <20100107144706.GX17112@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001070656k58b913c9x2147ff9098d9cb88@mail.gmail.com> Not sure on the license - I didn't upload it. It would be awesome to also find out if the publisher allows reprints (in the event the article is not appropriately licensed). On 1/7/10, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> >Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... >> >In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost >> >the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization >> >feature profile from F12! >> > >> >https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf >> > >> >-Robyn >> >> Whoa, sweet. >> >> I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles >> for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what >> happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the >> virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the >> technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") >> >> Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost >> estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit >> down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in >> Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). > > First and foremost, GREAT article! > > Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? I > couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the > publisher licensed this for our use. I'll check with the uploader to > find out. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Sent from my mobile device From nacross at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:11:13 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:11:13 -0600 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:38 AM, David Nalley wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) > > iEYEARECAAYFAktF8eoACgkQkZOYj+cNI1fvuQCgh3MTO2xddJjD1hIM/gga4TPb > 5F4AnAj45jY1USdrp0ENz+kYz5QyFD+K > =xaF6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media > >> advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will > >> work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time / > >> publishers willing to donate print ad space. > >> > >> FWIW I talked about these issues here: > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html > >> > >> Sean > > > > I came across some ideas for promoting Amateur Radio events on an ARRL > > magazine. What the suggested is that the organization at large produce > some > > shorts videos about what they do, in the most generic way. They already > have > > some material.[0] They leave some spaces where you can add up your > specific > > information like dates of events and contact data of the nearest group. > Then > > you can go to a local TV station and ask as a non-profit if the have some > > time avaliable. Usually they fill they lack of pay advertisements > promoting > > their schedule (upcoming programs). They recommend that the material has > to > > be exactly timed ... if you say 20 seconds should be that and not roughly > 20 > > seconds. > > > > So the basic idea is to have ready material professional made, make room > for > > localization and then locally negotiated with TV stations. This needs > people > > skills to find a friend on the TV station to endorse this non-profit > > announce. It only will work if this more an announcement for a specific > > event that will justify the non-profit cause. If it looks like > advertisement > > they will be trying to charge for it. This looks like a joint venture for > > marketing producing and ambassadors distributing. > > > > Sound fun to recycle ideas and adapt them to work for us. > > > > [0] http://www.hello-radio.org/ > > > > -- > > Neville > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > > Linux User # 473217 > > > > > > > > We run into the problem that Fedora is not a non-profit - as a matter > of fact, it doesn't really exist. The situation in EMEA is a bit > different, with the existence of Fedora EMEA e.V. but still. > BTW, I think it'd be awesome to promote FEL in QST. > > That's why I suggested people skills to get some one inside to endorse. Some places may not work but in other places it may. I think I can pull it out in my country if I got the material. To promote FEL in QST magazine ( official magazine for http://arrl.org ) it is just to sell the idea to the editorial board. Can be big like trying to squeeze a full page article. Can be small like trying to get a mention on a section. It think it can be easy to get attention from the section "eclectic technology" to mention this spin. Maybe sending a disk to this columnist, he happens to recommend linux stuff time to time. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:17:31 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:17:31 -0600 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To promote FEL in QST magazine ( official magazine for http://arrl.org ) it > is just to sell the idea to the editorial board. Can be big like trying to > squeeze a full page article. Can be small like trying to get a mention on a > section. It think it can be easy to get attention from the section "eclectic > technology" to mention this spin. Maybe sending a disk to this columnist, he > happens to recommend linux stuff time to time. > > By the way... I will engage on trying to get it mentioned on eclectic technology section. I will contact the columnist and see what happens. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ath.samaras at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:59:15 2010 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:59:15 +0200 Subject: Fedora-tour idea In-Reply-To: <4B45970A.1000800@redhat.com> References: <53df01ca8f6f$f068eaf0$d13ac0d0$@com> <4B45970A.1000800@redhat.com> Message-ID: Maybe a simple list of the new and exciting features sorted by user profile (desktop users/ engineers/ gamers / mobile devices/etc) and then a link per chapter so that the user may access more info should he/she desire. After all, every s/w house needs users as final testers, otherwise it is not possible to provide any kind of quality or improvements. Fedora asks for contributors. This is something the community does by definition, so it is no one to blame, all distros need their users to point them to some direction. It is normal. As about the implementation of the "more info" most probably we (from marketing team) should help the development teams to produce end-user type material (I bet they already have produced technical documentation) based on the existing documentation. Then we can test the content with the help of non-technical persons (I was thinking about my wife and a couple of friends) based on their interest, and finally add the required final touches. Sakis Samaras On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > On 01/07/2010 03:03 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > >> Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See, Red Hat >> wants >> to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth >> like that? >> >> FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-) >> >> Jan >> > > Ooo. Thanks, Jan - we need more advocatus diaboli on this list. ;) > > It's an opt-in activity in the "do you want to learn how to contribute" > section of fedora-tour; you won't have to do this - or even see it - if > you're not interested. Basically, a "Learn More!" wizard instead of href="http://link.org">learn more!. > > Alternatively: Think of it as an included lesson people can choose to > deploy if they're curious about how open source communities work together, > and how they can begin contributing to that ecosystem if they take a look > and decide they're interested. > > I imagine there would be a "are you interested in learning about $foo?" > click, and then a "yes, I'd like to contribute in this way!" click; by the > time they get to the "hello, I am a QA contributor" part, they'll know full > well that's what they're doing, that they want to do it, and that they have > a choice that will not disadvantage them in any way if they don't pick it. > > (Would this work as a counter? What holes are there in it?) > > --Mel > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 7 17:56:05 2010 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:26:05 -0430 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b1001070956v70111396kab86da18d8619506@mail.gmail.com> Hello! In venezuela we already have a (really small) participation in Radio and TV. Past Flisol2009 give us the opportunity to be on tv (for about a minute) and also a couple of radio interviews about free software and fedora (I made one and Wilmer "K0k" Jaramillo give another). I have the resources to this files (Spanish links) but I think is viable for us to even make a tv show (maybe a 5 minutes clip weekly) in a Caracas tv station and in a Radio who transmit in all Venezuela middle towns. Now that I read that there is a true interest in this I will start working and see what can came out :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OyHQarkVVU http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/varios/flisol2009-2.mp3 2010/1/7 Neville A. Cross > > > > To promote FEL in QST magazine ( official magazine for http://arrl.org ) >> it is just to sell the idea to the editorial board. Can be big like trying >> to squeeze a full page article. Can be small like trying to get a mention on >> a section. It think it can be easy to get attention from the section >> "eclectic technology" to mention this spin. Maybe sending a disk to this >> columnist, he happens to recommend linux stuff time to time. >> >> > By the way... I will engage on trying to get it mentioned on eclectic > technology section. I will contact the columnist and see what happens. > > > > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 18:13:32 2010 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:13:32 -0600 Subject: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads In-Reply-To: <27a6293b1001070956v70111396kab86da18d8619506@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4501EA.7050706@redhat.com> <378b2b051001070156y3a8bd576s9d6cf310c78b940d@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b1001070956v70111396kab86da18d8619506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2010/1/7 Mar?a Leandro > Hello! > > In venezuela we already have a (really small) participation in Radio and > TV. Past Flisol2009 give us the opportunity to be on tv (for about a minute) > and also a couple of radio interviews about free software and fedora (I made > one and Wilmer "K0k" Jaramillo give another). > > I have the resources to this files (Spanish links) but I think is viable > for us to even make a tv show (maybe a 5 minutes clip weekly) in a Caracas > tv station and in a Radio who transmit in all Venezuela middle towns. > > Now that I read that there is a true interest in this I will start working > and see what can came out :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OyHQarkVVU > > http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/varios/flisol2009-2.mp3 > > > I think that's great. We should look for opportunities to do radio/tv interviews. I have been involved on some interviews for Software Freedom Day (before and during the event). When an event is upcoming, it is possible to get one minute in radio or tv to talk about it because it is news. It is part of what is happening. I have to point that interviews are not advertisement, we are probably going to another topic... this more news distribution. I probably have helped to get out of focus in this topic. But I have to admit that the approach to get it on air is similar, what changes is the format (Live interview vs. pre recorded material) Just to prove that it possible ... and brag a bit ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u18l6ZEwt7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRmxo09nUOQ Mental note... always wear fedora t-shirt or polo ! Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's pretty simple. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow > > (I'm not sure if I'm using the word "workflow" in the same way that FWN > uses it - if there's another word I should use instead, or some way this > diagram ought to be revised, please ping - or edit the wiki version. ;) As a workflow it makes sense, in the answering if you are using the correct term etc. One thing that is missing is a box alongside "press" "web" "fedora planet" that is an in-flow for original content targeted for FI. Might want to add that even if you don't intend original content for a while? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Jan 8 05:14:32 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:14:32 -0500 Subject: FI content workflow In-Reply-To: <20100108043010.GK3829@calliope.phig.org> References: <4B3FC368.8040001@redhat.com> <20100108043010.GK3829@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4B46BF38.50201@redhat.com> On 01/07/2010 11:30 PM, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 05:06:32PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >> I tried drafting out an ascii version of the workflow I saw being tossed >> around at FUDCon - thoughts? Is this accurate? Workable? It's pretty simple. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow >> >> (I'm not sure if I'm using the word "workflow" in the same way that FWN >> uses it - if there's another word I should use instead, or some way this >> diagram ought to be revised, please ping - or edit the wiki version. ;) > > As a workflow it makes sense, in the answering if you are using the > correct term etc. > > One thing that is missing is a box alongside "press" "web" "fedora > planet" that is an in-flow for original content targeted for FI. > Might want to add that even if you don't intend original content for a > while? Thanks - added, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow. I'm hoping that will actually be a small (or possibly even nonexistent) subset of content; I'd like FI to draw from content "upstreams" as much as possible so that editors can focus on *finding* good content rather than getting it made, but I'd also love pushback and feedback on that thought; I'm not sure it makes sense yet. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Fri Jan 8 05:19:27 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:27 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 Message-ID: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> Amit, We've been admiring your article in Fedora Marketing - do you happen to know whether it's released under an open license (or if it'd be possible to do so, or at least to allow reprints)? Thanks! --Mel and the Fedora Marketing crew -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:56:57 -0700 From: Robyn Bergeron Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Not sure on the license - I didn't upload it. It would be awesome to also find out if the publisher allows reprints (in the event the article is not appropriately licensed). On 1/7/10, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> >Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... >> >In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost >> >the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization >> >feature profile from F12! >> > >> >https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf >> > >> >-Robyn >> >> Whoa, sweet. >> >> I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles >> for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what >> happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the >> virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the >> technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") >> >> Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost >> estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit >> down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in >> Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). > > First and foremost, GREAT article! > > Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? I > couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the > publisher licensed this for our use. I'll check with the uploader to > find out. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Sent from my mobile device -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 05:34:14 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:34:14 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> References: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001072134k3c2c8942w4e98e6f799ec5af2@mail.gmail.com> 2 things: 1. http://www.lfymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=13 <--- look at what's in that magazine 2. When googling for linuxforu.com (which is what is printed in the article) - Google has this under the link: Creative Commons License ? LINUX For You Magazine is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. Of course, I'm having issues getting to the actual site to confirm this, but someone who is more patient than I am might be able to find out. And I'd love to get my little hands on a full-blown copy of this copy. -Robyn On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Amit, > > We've been admiring your article in Fedora Marketing - do you happen to know > whether it's released under an open license (or if it'd be possible to do > so, or at least to allow reprints)? > > Thanks! > > --Mel and the Fedora Marketing crew > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:56:57 -0700 > From: Robyn Bergeron > Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > ? ? ? > To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base > > > Not sure on the license - I didn't upload it. > > It would be awesome to also find out if the publisher allows reprints > (in the event the article is not appropriately licensed). > > On 1/7/10, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >>> >>> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >>> >Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... >>> >In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost >>> >the link here. ?The article even referenced Mel's virtualization >>> >feature profile from F12! >>> > >>> >https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf >>> > >>> >-Robyn >>> >>> Whoa, sweet. >>> >>> I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles >>> for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what >>> happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the >>> virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the >>> technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") >>> >>> Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost >>> estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit >>> down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in >>> Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). >> >> First and foremost, GREAT article! >> >> Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? ?I >> couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the >> publisher licensed this for our use. ?I'll check with the uploader to >> find out. >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ >> ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From hiemanshu at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 05:37:13 2010 From: hiemanshu at gmail.com (Hiemanshu Sharma) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:07:13 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c91001072134k3c2c8942w4e98e6f799ec5af2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> <5d4d90c91001072134k3c2c8942w4e98e6f799ec5af2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B46C489.50500@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a copy in my hand right now. Is there any way I can send it over to you? I could also try shipping if you like. Regards, Hiemanshu Sharma. On 08/01/10 11:04 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > 2 things: > > 1. http://www.lfymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=13 <--- look at what's > in that magazine > > 2. When googling for linuxforu.com (which is what is printed in the > article) - Google has this under the link: > > Creative Commons License ? LINUX For You Magazine is licensed under a > Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. > > Of course, I'm having issues getting to the actual site to confirm > this, but someone who is more patient than I am might be able to find > out. > > And I'd love to get my little hands on a full-blown copy of this copy. > > -Robyn > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Amit, >> >> We've been admiring your article in Fedora Marketing - do you happen to know >> whether it's released under an open license (or if it'd be possible to do >> so, or at least to allow reprints)? >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Mel and the Fedora Marketing crew >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 >> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:56:57 -0700 >> From: Robyn Bergeron >> Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >> >> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >> >> >> Not sure on the license - I didn't upload it. >> >> It would be awesome to also find out if the publisher allows reprints >> (in the event the article is not appropriately licensed). >> >> On 1/7/10, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >>>> >>>> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >>>>> Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... >>>>> In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost >>>>> the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization >>>>> feature profile from F12! >>>>> >>>>> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf >>>>> >>>>> -Robyn >>>> >>>> Whoa, sweet. >>>> >>>> I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles >>>> for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what >>>> happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the >>>> virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the >>>> technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") >>>> >>>> Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost >>>> estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit >>>> down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in >>>> Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). >>> >>> First and foremost, GREAT article! >>> >>> Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? I >>> couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the >>> publisher licensed this for our use. I'll check with the uploader to >>> find out. >>> >>> -- >>> Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ >>> gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >>> http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >>> irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEVAwUBS0bEiTQGoO+CeKfyAQK/FQf/d4YtLYlHW3hBJHe6ptDE48imx7FAP320 imn8A1xMRcDm4qVN+3RGohMx4hcS7frpJ8Q0oLJ2JQ/8QcxVPQ6r3vOjqoFtRuOE xzbNLHnTlQjcM9nrNtRKtFOLNAO6dcpN9s20Iua1CnBt7YEQvYZd0+I6R3HEO5kb QjEdREkNw9bIbMyQ3sdTQzvl4HiHnM9aX+d9Xzph15BfkLa9JB4qAnKTEDX2U3Dk TGlpFE7LCiLYCFvCbcLhz2HQ21mgfqiaT/cQKyvSAXjqoPC1O+vkCsHxxeijYN4q hpaY8vMH+OSLiLsFmJNwpw0J8/BXhC7nvNCLdA76koHKwzrIIXa5Yw== =nfhx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 05:53:23 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:53:23 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <4B46C489.50500@gmail.com> References: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> <5d4d90c91001072134k3c2c8942w4e98e6f799ec5af2@mail.gmail.com> <4B46C489.50500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001072153t5d3a6b22tb3ef882dfc7a0387@mail.gmail.com> I talked to Hiemanshu on irc - he confirmed that this is inside the actual magazine: hiemanshu> "All articles in this issue, except for interviews, verbatim quotes, or unless otherwise explicitly mentioned, will be releases under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License a month after the date of publication." On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have a copy in my hand right now. Is there any way I can send it > over to you? > I could also try shipping if you like. > > Regards, > > Hiemanshu Sharma. > On 08/01/10 11:04 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> 2 things: >> >> 1. http://www.lfymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=13 ?<--- look at what's >> in that magazine >> >> 2. When googling for linuxforu.com (which is what is printed in the >> article) - Google has this under the link: >> >> Creative Commons License ? LINUX For You Magazine is licensed under a >> Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. >> >> Of course, I'm having issues getting to the actual site to confirm >> this, but someone who is more patient than I am might be able to find >> out. >> >> And I'd love to get my little hands on a full-blown copy of this copy. >> >> -Robyn >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> Amit, >>> >>> We've been admiring your article in Fedora Marketing - do you happen > to know >>> whether it's released under an open license (or if it'd be possible to do >>> so, or at least to allow reprints)? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> --Mel and the Fedora Marketing crew >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 >>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:56:57 -0700 >>> From: Robyn Bergeron >>> Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora > user base >>> ? ? ? >>> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base >>> >>> >>> Not sure on the license - I didn't upload it. >>> >>> It would be awesome to also find out if the publisher allows reprints >>> (in the event the article is not appropriately licensed). >>> >>> On 1/7/10, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:14:23PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >>>>>> Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... >>>>>> In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost >>>>>> the link here. ?The article even referenced Mel's virtualization >>>>>> feature profile from F12! >>>>>> >>>>>> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> -Robyn >>>>> >>>>> Whoa, sweet. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles >>>>> for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what >>>>> happened in this case - "By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the >>>>> virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the >>>>> technology that?s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.") >>>>> >>>>> Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost >>>>> estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit >>>>> down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in >>>>> Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). >>>> >>>> First and foremost, GREAT article! >>>> >>>> Second -- is this article licensed appropriately for our wiki? ?I >>>> couldn't find any copyright statement on it, so I'd like to ensure the >>>> publisher licensed this for our use. ?I'll check with the uploader to >>>> find out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ >>>> ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >>>> ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >>>> ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEVAwUBS0bEiTQGoO+CeKfyAQK/FQf/d4YtLYlHW3hBJHe6ptDE48imx7FAP320 > imn8A1xMRcDm4qVN+3RGohMx4hcS7frpJ8Q0oLJ2JQ/8QcxVPQ6r3vOjqoFtRuOE > xzbNLHnTlQjcM9nrNtRKtFOLNAO6dcpN9s20Iua1CnBt7YEQvYZd0+I6R3HEO5kb > QjEdREkNw9bIbMyQ3sdTQzvl4HiHnM9aX+d9Xzph15BfkLa9JB4qAnKTEDX2U3Dk > TGlpFE7LCiLYCFvCbcLhz2HQ21mgfqiaT/cQKyvSAXjqoPC1O+vkCsHxxeijYN4q > hpaY8vMH+OSLiLsFmJNwpw0J8/BXhC7nvNCLdA76koHKwzrIIXa5Yw== > =nfhx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Fri Jan 8 05:50:09 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:50:09 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Ambassadors] DIY booklets for better info delivery Message-ID: <4B46C791.6010200@redhat.com> IRC convo in #fedora-mktg, and (immediately afterwards) Justin's resulting email to Ambassadors; good example of how Ambassadors and Marketing can work together. --- 18:20:59 < Southern_Gentlem> a trifold brochure explaining the fedora project and a f13 features i am guessing 18:21:21 < mchua> Southern_Gentlem: would that be something like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes but laid out in trifold brochure form? 18:21:39 < Southern_Gentlem> something easily to make and hand out to people at events and othewise 18:22:01 < Southern_Gentlem> mchua, thats something we can discuss in the FAD 18:22:42 < mchua> Southern_Gentlem: pop it on the wiki page so we can make sure it's on the agneda 18:22:44 < mchua> er, agenda 18:23:15 < mchua> My guess is that we'll be doing a hard look at the deliverables we produce and whether they're the right ones, so that fits right in. 18:24:32 < threethirty> why couldnt that be a DIY thing? get the artwork team to make a cool looking PDF and then someone (somepeople) could just print them 18:24:45 < threethirty> it would be like the free media thing 18:25:45 < mchua> Yeah, there's a distinction between 18:25:57 < mchua> (1) media the Marketing team *must* make each release, and needs to be directly responsible for 18:26:01 < mchua> (for instance, talking points) 18:26:04 < mchua> s/media/deliverables 18:26:29 < mchua> (2) deliverables that could be made each release, but which the Marketing team doesn't need to be directly responsible for (i.e. "if someone wants to make it, great, if not, ok") 18:26:52 < mchua> similarly, I don't think there's anything the Marketing team needs to *physically* produce. 18:27:33 < mchua> the way I'd see it is that if an Ambassador wants media to take to an event, they would ask their regional Ambassador coordinators for budget and coordinate the physical production of the digital materials produced by Marketing and Design. 18:27:53 * inode0 agrees 18:28:13 < mchua> Southern_Gentlem, threethirty: does this make sense? I do think you're right and that this needs to be brought up / clarified at the FAD or earlier 18:28:36 < mchua> threethirty: and your analogy to Free Media is right on. 18:29:08 < inode0> I want marketing to help generate great content, ambassadors can do the production itself 18:29:53 < inode0> which might just be saying x, y, and z should be added 18:30:43 < Southern_Gentlem> mchua, link to the FAD page please 18:31:05 < threethirty> i really just want a wiki page with cool stuff that you can download, print (or have printed), assemble, and distribute, im working on a way to "screen" discs using stencils and spraypaint 18:32:29 < mchua> Southern_Gentlem: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 18:32:51 < inode0> threethirty: I don't see any reason you can't just do that 18:34:44 < threethirty> inode0 which that :) 18:35:49 < inode0> create a wiki page and run with it 18:36:10 < threethirty> alrighty can do -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ambassadors] DIY booklets for better info delivery Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:15:17 -0500 From: Justin O'Brien Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Howdy all: I had this crazy idea of taking the idea of a 'zine and making it a useful tool for Ambassadors [and anyone else for that matter but I'm an Ambassador and short sighted :)]. These could be implemented at no cost to RHT/Fedora and could be done for fairly cheap (I think). Ok Idea #1 is a booklet that I have hacked up a [terrible] alpha quality version of http://dl.dropbox.com/u/194299/Fedora%20Booklet.tar.bz2 The idea is we make a quick intro guide to Free Software and the fedora project. I was thinking 8-12 pages printed on US Legal sized paper [8.5x14 (to allow for a nice full page to read from)] that was basically a subset of the wikipedia article on Free Software (so that it was neutral sounding) and most of the Overview wiki page. Yes I know its on-line so why print it, well because people are lazy. Wiki's are great because they have a lot of information. Wiki's are also a PITA because they have a lot of information :) Another thing that could be done with this is as you are stapling it you could take a paper cd/dvd sleeve and add it to the mix, that way there was one thing to hand people. Idea #2 is an "Ambassadors Field Guide" basically the same idea but would have a list of FAQ's and answers, a near total list of contacts for every sub project (I know this isn't totally feasible but I can dream can't I), the talking points for $currentRealease and $nextRealease, and anything else we can come up with that would be helpful to have in hand when we are talking to people. I think Idea #2 is absolutely suited to the DIY 'zine format because if you destroy it carting it around in your back pocket you can just print another one. I know that anyone person could make both of these happen but I was hoping to pool the knowledge of others and hopefully get the art team involved so these could be a nice looking as possible. -- Justin "threethirty" O'Brien Fedora Ambassador threethirty at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Threethirty threethirty on freenode.net @threethirty - twitter/identi.ca/jaiku Phone: (765) 688-0723 -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:16:34 2010 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:16:34 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12 In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c91001072153t5d3a6b22tb3ef882dfc7a0387@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B46C05F.5010307@redhat.com> <5d4d90c91001072134k3c2c8942w4e98e6f799ec5af2@mail.gmail.com> <4B46C489.50500@gmail.com> <5d4d90c91001072153t5d3a6b22tb3ef882dfc7a0387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I talked to Hiemanshu on irc - he confirmed that this is inside the > actual magazine: > > hiemanshu> "All articles in this issue, except for interviews, verbatim > ? ? ? ? ? ?quotes, or unless otherwise explicitly mentioned, will be releases > ? ? ? ? ? ?under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported > ? ? ? ? ? ?License a month after the date of publication." The publishers also confirmed this in some separate email. We are not just grateful, but *inspired* by their solid commitment to free software and content! Paul From ry at n.rix.si Fri Jan 8 21:33:16 2010 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:33:16 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? Message-ID: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> Hey all, Do we know who owns http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 ? I can't figure out how to tell as a member who owns any given page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks doesn't have the maintainer listed. I was thinking that when Fedora Insight goes golden, it would be the -perfect- oppurtunity to expand our social networking presence on Facebook, twitter, identi.ca and other networks, because, at least Facebook, allows you to post via rss, and then push to twitter (don't think it'll push to identi.ca, though...) Of course, to do that, we need to own that page :-) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:51:23 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:51:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> References: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001081351j63cb9c87r3181b72449b6fe5f@mail.gmail.com> There was some discussion on who owns which social media outlets a while back - there may even be a wiki page with the information. I can look when I'm back home if you haven't found anything in mail archives or the wiki. -robyn On 1/8/10, Ryan Rix wrote: > Hey all, > > Do we know who owns http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 > ? > I can't figure out how to tell as a member who owns any given page. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks doesn't have the > maintainer listed. > > I was thinking that when Fedora Insight goes golden, it would be the > -perfect- > oppurtunity to expand our social networking presence on Facebook, twitter, > identi.ca and other networks, because, at least Facebook, allows you to post > via rss, and then push to twitter (don't think it'll push to identi.ca, > though...) Of course, to do that, we need to own that page :-) > > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > countless other FOSS channels. > -- Sent from my mobile device From ry at n.rix.si Fri Jan 8 22:15:37 2010 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:15:37 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c91001081351j63cb9c87r3181b72449b6fe5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> <5d4d90c91001081351j63cb9c87r3181b72449b6fe5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001081515.41167.ry@n.rix.si> On Fri 8 January 2010 2:51:23 pm Robyn Bergeron wrote: > There was some discussion on who owns which social media outlets a > while back - there may even be a wiki page with the information. I can > look when I'm back home if you haven't found anything in mail archives > or the wiki. > > -robyn This was the best I could do[1], and is lacking that page... It has >4000 fans, so it could grow quickly if it actually had content on it... [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008- October/msg00042.html -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 22:44:52 2010 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:44:52 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <201001081515.41167.ry@n.rix.si> References: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> <5d4d90c91001081351j63cb9c87r3181b72449b6fe5f@mail.gmail.com> <201001081515.41167.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <5d4d90c91001081444u2bbc9566u7af5ade092f252e6@mail.gmail.com> Weeeeird. I thought the wiki had the information listed. Usually FB pages have owners / admins listed, but this one doesn't... I wonder if someone unsigned up from Facebook and the page got orphaned, or something. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > On Fri 8 January 2010 2:51:23 pm Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> There was some discussion on who owns which social media outlets a >> while back - there may even be a wiki page with the information. I can >> look when I'm back home if you haven't found anything in mail archives >> or the wiki. >> >> -robyn > > > This was the best I could do[1], and is lacking that page... It has >4000 > fans, so it could grow quickly if it actually had content on it... > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008- > October/msg00042.html > > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com ? ? ? ? ?| MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: ?phrkonaleash ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: ?PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > ? ? ?countless other FOSS channels. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Fri Jan 8 23:23:59 2010 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:23:59 +0100 Subject: marketing plan Message-ID: <4B47BE8F.1080908@gmx.de> hy, for the MKTG FAD 2010 we have yet a WIP / Daft version of a overall marketing plan at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010/MarketingPlan so everybody can think about it and we could talk about that at the FAD. Some will recognize that many of the "goals" we allready work on at other areas or there is allready work going on. So, lets work on that at the FAD so we have a template on how we structurize our work and help us make things easier to work on, get new people more easy and faster to work on tastsk, etc. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 8 23:42:13 2010 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:42:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora helps with Pi Computation Record Message-ID: <201001090042.19548.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> hi list, did you know that ? http://bellard.org/pi/pi2700e9/announce.html http://www.pcgenius.com/tag/fabrice-bellard/ cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mel at redhat.com Sat Jan 9 05:27:21 2010 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:27:21 -0500 Subject: Marketing FAD update Message-ID: <4B4813B9.9090803@redhat.com> Preparations for this are moving right along - everything in this email is also on the wiki page, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010. If you're interested in participating, there's still time - add yourself to the list at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Attendees; if you need travel funding, put your proposal in at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Budget. == Budget == We approved Henrik's travel budget (plane), along with Paul's and Ben's (gas money). IRC logs with rationale and discussion are linked to from the "status" columns in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Budget. == Activities == Right now, I'm trying to get each day of the FAD an owner working on some sort of concrete next-step. You've seen some emails to the list (most recently from Henrik) beginning discussion on this front - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda for more info. All the days have owners except for Sunday, for which we will be working on the Brand Book - Rahul will be starting discussion on a vision for that shortly, but the day itself does not yet have a leader. Anyone interested in stepping up? (This /can/ be done remotely.) == Current days, topics, owners, and next steps == Saturday: Strategy and Research, Robyn Bergeron. Watching the "target audience" discussion that John Poelstra has started on f-a-b, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2010-January/msg00012.html. Sunday: Brand Book, No owner yet - please help! Rahul sending a first draft of a vision document to the list. Monday-or-Tuesday: Interviews and filming, Max Spevack. No next step defined yet. The-other-day: PR, Henrik Heigl, with Sakis Samaras helping plan remotely. --Mel From pcalarco at nd.edu Sat Jan 9 14:19:49 2010 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:19:49 -0500 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> References: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> Message-ID: <4B489085.8070309@nd.edu> Ryan Rix wrote: > Hey all, > > Do we know who owns http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 ? > I can't figure out how to tell as a member who owns any given page. > FB has changed the page layouts so you can't tell owners/admins anymore, which is a shame. I believe Larry Caifero is one owners of that particular FB page. I also summarized the Fedora-related groups on LinkedIn on 12/2/09 on fedora-marketing, which is another outlet we can work on. - pascal > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks doesn't have the > maintainer listed. > > I was thinking that when Fedora Insight goes golden, it would be the -perfect- > oppurtunity to expand our social networking presence on Facebook, twitter, > identi.ca and other networks, because, at least Facebook, allows you to post > via rss, and then push to twitter (don't think it'll push to identi.ca, > though...) Of course, to do that, we need to own that page :-) > > From ry at n.rix.si Sat Jan 9 16:25:43 2010 From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:25:43 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <4B489085.8070309@nd.edu> References: <201001081433.21085.ry@n.rix.si> <4B489085.8070309@nd.edu> Message-ID: <201001090925.50867.ry@n.rix.si> On Sat 9 January 2010 7:19:49 am Pascal Calarco wrote: > Ryan Rix wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Do we know who owns > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 ? I can't figure > > out how to tell as a member who owns any given page. > > FB has changed the page layouts so you can't tell owners/admins anymore, > which is a shame. I believe Larry Caifero is one owners of that > particular FB page. > > I also summarized the Fedora-related groups on LinkedIn on 12/2/09 on > fedora-marketing, which is another outlet we can work on. > > - pascal' Wicked awesome, Pascal :) Thanks much. Just wanted to make sure we had some control of the page :) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonaleash at gmail.com -> ry at n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: